F-35 first tested the gun in the air

In the US, at the Edwards Air Force Base (California), the X-NUMX-generation F-5 Lightning II multi-purpose aircraft tested its 35-mm gun in the air for the first time, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with a link to the Flightglobal resource.


F-35 first tested the gun in the air


The first tests were not spectacular and very modest. According to the publication, “test pilot Major Charles Tricky made one turn from 22 shots and two from 30 from the integrated four-barreled gun GAU-60 / A. The shooting itself lasted a few seconds.

Resource notes that "the developers of F-35 against the background of the unceasing criticism of the fighter tried to" demonstrate the progress in equipping the aircraft, which they were able to achieve. Hence, apparently, and the publication of the video with the test, laid out in the network for a wide view.

“It turns out that there is some progress. The ground tests of the guns were completed before the deadline, and the air tests began earlier than the originally planned date, ”the newspaper says ironically.

The intention to abandon the purchase of F-35 previously announced the new Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau. The Pentagon has already considered that because of the demarche of the neighbors, the American economy will not receive at least $ 65 million in profits.

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  1. Irokez 5 November 2015 15: 19 New
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    Yes, even if she broke or the penguin would crumble from her.
    Damn how much they test and bring, and only tested the gun.
    1. just exp 5 November 2015 15: 29 New
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      it is worth recognizing that all the same, not only the gun, they tested some of the weapons back in 2013.
      1. Major Yurik 5 November 2015 15: 43 New
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        The Yankees aviators wanted to come true, before the gun flew separately, and the airplane separately! Praise the Pentagon, now they fly together, luck however! laughing
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        2. Temples 5 November 2015 16: 07 New
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          The intention to refuse to purchase F-35 was previously announced by the new Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau. The Pentagon has already decided that because of the demarche of neighbors, the US economy will receive at least $ 65 million.


          Canadians only wanted to buy a tail for 65 million? wassat
          Today, every F-35 costs $ 138 million.
          1. Maxom75 5 November 2015 17: 55 New
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            Do not confuse profit and cost! In the U.S. defense, kickbacks are made to the military, senators and congressmen, a bunch of different commissions and lobbyists. All these "respected and influential people" are very fond of eating. In your vain, what is the F-22 called gold? It costs exactly as much as the same amount of gold in weight, well, at least at the time of release. You can laugh a lot, but our T-50 has not yet been accepted into service, but oh, how it is already needed.
            1. beer-youk 5 November 2015 19: 15 New
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              Well, they took the F-35 into service. So what? Flies with a creak, only learning to shoot. Maybe it was worth bringing to mind and adopting a fully ready unit? Therefore, the T-50 has not yet been accepted. VKS RF semi-finished products are not needed.
              1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 19: 25 New
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                Quote: beer-youk
                Well, they took the F-35 into service.

                State test F-35 did not pass. Therefore, there is no adoption. hi
              2. abrakadabre 6 November 2015 08: 23 New
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                You tell Microsoft this. And then they first sell each operating system, and then another ten years shoals in the program code finish with all sorts of service packs and updates.
          2. Aaron Zawi 5 November 2015 18: 36 New
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            Quote: Temples

            Today, every F-35 costs $ 138 million.

            Why is that?
            Lockheed Martin received a contract for the 9th lot for the production of 55 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter fighters in the amount of $ 5,37 billion, defensenews.com reports on November 3.
            The lot includes 41 F-35A fighters (26 for the US Air Force, six for Norway, seven for Israel and two for Japan), 12 F-35B (six for the United States Air Force and six for the United Kingdom) and two F-35C (US Navy) . Aircraft must be delivered until December 2017 (en.wikipedia.org reports that the cost of one F-35A without an engine is $ 98 million, F-35B - 104 million, F-35C - 116 million - approx. Military Parity) .
            It is reported that some of the work will be performed by companies in other countries, of which 20% will be in the UK (Wharton) and 5% in Japan (Nagoya).
      2. Asadullah 5 November 2015 15: 43 New
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        it is worth recognizing that all the same, not only the gun, they tested some of the weapons back in 2013.


        If possible, in more detail. And then it is surprising to me, I understand that the Gatling principle does not need special advertising. but still, to sell two years of weapons, and after shooting him once more? I do not understand.
        1. i80186 5 November 2015 16: 24 New
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          Quote: Asadullah
          If possible, in more detail. And then it is surprising to me, I understand that the Gatling principle does not need special advertising. but still, to sell two years of weapons, and after shooting him once more? I do not understand.

          The engine - he needs oxygen, not powder gases. Sometimes engines just stall. Well, the controllability of the aircraft when shooting also plays a role, the return is still. smile
          Here is a quote.
          However, during the flight firing tests of the GAU-1974A gun mounted on the A-8A aircraft (in March 10), abnormal operation of the aircraft engines caused by the ingress of powder gases generated during firing was detected three times. (C)
          1. Prapor-527 5 November 2015 21: 04 New
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            Quote: i80186
            abnormal operation of aircraft engines caused by the ingress of powder gases generated during firing. (FROM)

            Surge however ...
          2. Stena 5 November 2015 21: 07 New
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            Quote: i80186
            The engine - he needs oxygen, not powder gases. Sometimes engines just stall. Well, the controllability of the aircraft when shooting also plays a role, the return is still

            This is called "surge" if my memory serves me right. In our MIG-9, when firing from guns, the engines stalled. Then we figured out what’s the matter - now everything is normal (ours mean) ...
        2. just exp 5 November 2015 17: 52 New
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          they tested rockets and bombs earlier, in 2012 and 2013. the trials were successful.
          1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 18: 07 New
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            Quote: just EXPL
            they tested rockets and bombs earlier, in 2012 and 2013. the trials were successful.

            Separately, it can do everything well, but together with all the systems and in all modes, everything will go smoothly. The big question is how many people will find hemorrhoids before the series (the last ICG). So we’ll see that the Americans will give birth there.
            Sincerely. hi
            1. just exp 5 November 2015 18: 20 New
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              Errors and shortcomings will be on serial, eliminate.
              1. kotvov 5 November 2015 18: 44 New
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                errors and shortcomings will be on serial, eliminate. ,,
                and all that you know, tell us better about the F-117. about how successful it is and where it went.
                1. just exp 5 November 2015 19: 44 New
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                  and why is he not successful? he has an excellent percentage of targets destroyed and only 1 shot down per thousand sorties.
                  and they replaced him because he was no longer satisfied because the raptor who was going to replace him was significantly better than him.
                  1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 19: 52 New
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                    Quote: just EXPL
                    and why is he not successful? he has an excellent percentage of targets destroyed and only 1 shot down per thousand sorties.

                    F-117 was used against whom, remind me? The enemy had modern air defense, air force and so on?
                    What serious enemy were these bombers used against?
                    1. just exp 5 November 2015 21: 56 New
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                      and not recall how these "Papuans" in Iraq "landed" a bunch of other planes? and they failed to bring down the nighthook, and even in Serbia they shot down him because of the self-confidence of the United States, nighthocks flew without cover along the same route.
                  2. Asadullah 5 November 2015 21: 10 New
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                    and why is he not successful?


                    Absolutely not maneuverable. Other cars coped with the same tasks, no worse. The stealth is relative, it is suitable to bomb Honduras, or Congo. By the way, after a lane in Yugoslavia, they instantly stopped flying there. Because after launching a rocket from the ground, the pilot can immediately leave the board.
                    1. just exp 5 November 2015 21: 57 New
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                      in other wars, a bunch of planes are lost, nighthock lost times.
                      and the fact that it is not maneuverable is essentially a bomber, not a fighter, despite the letter F in the name, the warthog is also not su-35, but it was a very efficient aircraft.
                      1. Pimply 5 November 2015 22: 57 New
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                        Quote: just EXPL
                        in other wars, a bunch of planes are lost, nighthock lost times.
                        and the fact that it is not maneuverable is essentially a bomber, not a fighter, despite the letter F in the name, the warthog is also not su-35, but it was a very efficient aircraft.

                        Well, about the F-15 and F-16 losses in the battles were not fixed, as far as I remember
                      2. just exp 5 November 2015 23: 24 New
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                        were, and Turkey and Greece, and other countries.
                        if you are talking about the United States, you shot down both, at least in the same Iraq in both companies, it’s another matter that the F-15 was not shot down by the enemy in an air battle. and air defense shot down him, F-16 and was shot down in air battles.
                      3. Pimply 6 November 2015 10: 53 New
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                        Quote: just EXPL
                        F-15 was not shot down by the enemy in a dogfight. and air defense shot down him, F-16 and was shot down in air battles.

                        F-15 has only recently been really shot down, by the Hussites, the rest is a loss in operation. F-16 yes, more often. But it was used more often and more actively. Of the 64 F-117, 8 is lost, 7 in air accidents, one shot down. In general, the indicator is normal, but not outstanding
                    2. Saburov 5 November 2015 23: 35 New
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                      Already discussed http://topwar.ru/23890-nepobedimyy-f-15-kak-siriycy-podrezali-orlam-krylya.html
        3. Prapor-527 5 November 2015 21: 08 New
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          Quote: NEXUS
          . So we will see what the Americans will give birth to at the exit.
          Sincerely.

          To be honest, I would like to see what will come out with the T-50 ... hi We hope for the best ...
          1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 21: 23 New
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            Quote: Prapor-527
            To be honest, I would like to see what will come out with the T-50 ... We hope for the best ...

            Until the 16th we’ll wait and see if everything happens without freelance troubles. But I think, in general, everything will be pretty good. Of course, any sores will pop up in the series anyway, but I’m sure that such flights as the amers with F-35 are for sure will not be. hi
      3. GSH-18 5 November 2015 21: 42 New
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        Quote: just EXPL
        they tested rockets and bombs earlier, in 2012 and 2013. the trials were successful.

        Did the pilot manage to eject in time?
  • GSH-18 5 November 2015 15: 32 New
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    F-35 first tested the gun in the air
    In the United States at the Edwards Air Force Base (California) multifunctional aircraft 5th generation F-35 Lightning II first tested its 25mm cannon in the air, reports

    Well, they flatter themselves very much. F-35 does not seem to be attracted to the 5th generation, if only because it is subsonic. And this completely crosses out all their attempts to the 5th generation request And there are still all sorts of nishtyaks there, on which he does not channel on the 5th.
    Farther. All the same, they put a gun ... And now this is a very serious turn. I will explain. This is a change in the philosophy of aviation, definitely! The Americans did not invest in the 5th generation the possibility of maneuverable aerial combat in direct line of sight. But after demonstrating the capabilities of our electronic warfare systems, a roasted cock pecked at ..... lol In this situation, it is very likely to state that our Dryers currently have overwhelming superiority over these expensive pepelats good yes
    1. just exp 5 November 2015 15: 41 New
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      if only by the fact that it is subsonic

      Can you name his maximum speed? or about that the F-35 doesn't have a super cruise? so it is.
      and with stealth, everything is fine with him.
      it’s another matter that he has maneuverability at the seams, and he turns out to be a jack of all trades, only in every case he is inferior to a specialized machine, that is, it’s both a nedobomber and a nedosturmovik and an underfighter, but in general, do not underestimate the enemy and his technique, it can be painful, and pain in such matters is the death of one of his own. and it’s better to overdo it than underdo it.
      1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 15: 49 New
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        Quote: just EXPL
        and with stealth, everything is fine with him.

        On this his "5th" generation ends, Amen! crying
        As for speed, look here.
        Flight characteristics:

        Maximum speed: about 1900 km / h (this is afterburner)
        Cruising speed: 850 km / h
        The 5th generation should fly on supersonic WITHOUT afterburner!

        Taken from here: http://www.vonovke.ru/s/lockheed_martin_f-35_lightning_ii_-_taktiko-tehnicheskie
        _harakteristiki_f-35
        1. just exp 5 November 2015 16: 34 New
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          and if I take other sources, and not all sorts of wonders? there cruising is completely different, there are even sources that indicate cruising at Mach 1.5 (super cruise).
          PS Your link does not open.
          1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 16: 54 New
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            Quote: just EXPL
            and if I take other sources, and not all sorts of wonders? cruising there is completely different

            So I’m saying that, you’ll still take the Lokhidovsky report for the Senate, and finally everything is true bully
            Read between the lines of information on its design and debugging — more than 20 already! years drank continues. And what are they doing ?? They (shame!) Are trying to reduce the weight of the aircraft by throwing "unnecessary" from the project laughing knots! By the fact that he flies too slowly. Well, of course, yes, how was it originally designed? Handsome men, this plane to Lohid is needed to cut the dough in the first place. And what a heap there will be adopted, this is the tenth thing. So it goes request
            1. just exp 5 November 2015 17: 17 New
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              I won’t even argue that the project is good, especially since there is one thought, our compatriots who have gone there are also developing it, and it’s not a fact that one of them is not working against them. that is, such a saboteur, they also had little things that they had to redo almost everything, although drinking it was a convenient occasion.
              but in fairness, they rely on an excellent avionics, and although it will turn out to be a flying disabled person, he can shoot (that is, use what was crammed into him) perfectly (though we must take into account that our EWs are also on the alert).
              1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 17: 43 New
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                Quote: just EXPL
                they emphasize the excellent avionics, and although it will turn out to be a flying disabled person, but to shoot (that is, to use that stuffed into him) he can perfectly (the truth must be borne in mind that ours with EW also do not sleep).

                Generally not a fact! They have major software problems. Watch the video, I posted it, there only software development will be completed (as they think) only by the 20th year. Lohids simply tightly stuck to the military budget. The quality of the finished product is very doubtful and foggy. Well, only if they do not design a new plane, even more futuristic and more powerful lol
                1. just exp 5 November 2015 17: 54 New
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                  The radar and firing are ready. there they finish the little things on the next Wishlist from the military, that is, they constantly come up with new features and dock them for implementation. The initial version of the software they have long written.
                  1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 18: 25 New
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                    Quote: just EXPL
                    The radar and firing are ready. there they finish the little things

                    How did it happen? How can it be a trifle that controls everything EVERYTHING on an airplane? Erase the OS from your computer and put some Beta version lol
                    And this is not a computer, this is a combat aircraft. And the software on it controls in particular weapons. Estimate what could happen?
                    1. just exp 5 November 2015 19: 46 New
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                      there is not a beta version, there is a type of Windows seven, but while it was being done by the military, they wanted to type Windows XNUMX.
                    2. GSH-18 5 November 2015 20: 51 New
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                      Quote: just EXPL
                      there is not a beta version, there is a type of Windows seven, but while it was being done by the military, they wanted to type Windows XNUMX.

                      What problems? In any store in the United States! laughing True, there are only bugs and bookmarks .. It may come to the point that the Fu-35 will fly into the air on command from the office of Vindovoz! lol
                    3. just exp 5 November 2015 21: 58 New
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                      Actually, I'm talking about Windows as an analogy.
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                      Quote: just EXPL
                      Actually, I'm talking about Windows as an analogy.

                      I was also kidding.
          2. retardu 5 November 2015 18: 44 New
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            Can I have a link to an Amer source about 2020? Or is it like a fairy tale gun?
            And yes, it’s still unclear whom the cock pecked there, in the US airborne electronic warfare there are absolutely no lags
    2. GSH-18 5 November 2015 16: 56 New
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      Here, especially for you: http://www.vonovke.ru/s/lockheed_martin_f-35_lightning_ii_-_taktiko-tehnicheskie
      _harakteristiki_f-35

      I'm opening up.
      1. just exp 5 November 2015 17: 18 New
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        it only opens a list of sections for me, maybe the browser mows, it happens.
    3. Maxom75 5 November 2015 17: 58 New
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      But here it must be borne in mind that it was designed as an “air punisher” for underdeveloped democracies and crumbling Russia, but it turned out that the money swelled, and in Russia it’s not its own VKS and it is not pulling against them.
  • Pimply 5 November 2015 17: 15 New
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    Quote: just EXPL
    it’s another matter that he has maneuverability at the seams, and he turns out to be a jack of all trades, only in every case he is inferior to a specialized machine, that is, it’s both a nedobomber and a nedosturmovik and an underfighter, but in general, do not underestimate the enemy and his technique, it can be painful, and pain in such matters is the death of one of his own. and it’s better to overdo it than underdo it.

    With maneuverability, he’s actually doing quite well



    And maneuverability in modern aerial combat is not the most critical value
    1. just exp 5 November 2015 17: 57 New
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      Well, if you compare, it may not be bad, I don’t know about the Chinese maneuverability, but the fact is a fact, even Eurofighters broke the raptors in the BVB, I generally keep quiet about our drying, and the F-35 is much inferior to the raptor in terms of maneuverability, that is, Eurofighter and dryers will merge even faster.
      Threat Americans already once hoped that they would shoot down an enemy from afar that would not do anything to them, I'm talking about starfighter, and removed the guns from their planes, saying that the BVB will no longer take place in battle. reality puts everything in its place with nothing to do in the wrong places for which the US strategists were counting.
      1. Morrrow 5 November 2015 19: 01 New
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        Is stealth not more important than maneuverability?
        1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 19: 11 New
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          Quote: Morrrow
          Is stealth not more important than maneuverability?

          Amer and I have different views on fighters of the 5th generation. They rely on stealth, saying that the time has passed for "dog dumps" (close combat), and our designers do not make our fighters maneuverable, but SUPER MANEUVERED. they win and we concede in something. But in my opinion, our concept is more correct and balanced. hi
        2. just exp 5 November 2015 19: 43 New
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          more important, but there is one BUT, this is the reality of inconspicuousness, as practice shows. FULL invisibility only happens in fairy tales, and there are such people, called Russians, who have talented engineers, and they develop methods as you can find by other methods, you can discover what traditional methods it’s not detected, for example, to change the radar range, optical detection, passive detection, etc., and here ALL the concept of states goes along the beard. and the same rake comes as in Vietnam with a cannon. full drain begins. and if stealth can be a panacea for Arabs or Africans who do not have such a military-industrial complex as they are in Russia, then in the case of us, stealth will not play the role that the states assigned to it and the BVB will begin, and then oops, fu-35 will merge even 4 generation.
    2. sharp-lad 5 November 2015 22: 01 New
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      This is only in the first part of the battle, in rapprochement with the enemy, and in the second, when it is necessary to move away from the enemy’s missiles, without maneuverability, oh how bad.
  • Morrrow 5 November 2015 18: 59 New
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    Americans traditionally rely on DVB, and maneuverability is not needed there.
  • Nick 5 November 2015 15: 47 New
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    Quote: GSH-18
    Well, they flatter themselves very much. F-35 does not seem to be attracted to the 5-generation, if only because it is subsonic.

    Here you are mistaken. Subsonic cruising, yes. But in the afterburner mode, he develops speed in Mach 1,2, and in afterburner 1,6.
    Do not underestimate the opponent hi
    1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 15: 59 New
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      Here you are mistaken. Subsonic cruising, yes. But in the afterburner mode, he develops a speed of Mach 1,2, and 1,6 afterburner

      Maybe. If you recklessly believe Lockheed Martin .. That’s only the American Congress doesn’t believe them, they even fined him for the bribes and delays more than once. But they have no choice - Lohids seized the monopoly request
    2. GSH-18 5 November 2015 16: 07 New
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      That's what the Americans themselves say about him.
  • kamil_tt 5 November 2015 15: 48 New
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    and long ago f-35 you have become subsonic? maybe he is still plywood and turboprop? and the fact that its maximum speed is about 1900 km / h (about 1200 mph or M = 1,6 with full armament in the internal compartments) and M = 1,2 without turning on the afterburner, albeit for ~ 240 km , irrelevant?
    1. Tusv 5 November 2015 16: 21 New
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      and the fact that its maximum speed is about 1900 km / h (about 1200 miles per hour or M = 1,6 with full armament in internal

      With such a glider and, to say the least, futuristic aerodynamics. 1900 km / h is a real breakthrough. But something tells me, looking at the barn with firewood, that the inscription is still not true
      1. just exp 5 November 2015 16: 41 New
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        what if he is capable of 1900 mph? then what? what would you convince in the war should our pilots die until they come up with a new tactic?
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          Quote: just EXPL
          what if he is capable of 1900 mph? then what?

          In my time in air defense, enemy pepelats were thrown on top of 400. So we're used to
        2. GSH-18 5 November 2015 17: 10 New
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          what if he is capable of 1900 mph? then what? what would you convince in the war should our pilots die until they come up with a new tactic?

          No one argues with you what he gives out on FORCING about! 1900km / h But SUCH regime does not correspond to the 5th generation. Do you understand the difference? Afterburner mode is short-term, very very wear-resistant for the engine. It can be used when taking off or maneuvering / evading. In general, very briefly. All the rest of the time is a flying low-speed target for the Su-30, Su-33, Su-35, T-50
          1. Pimply 5 November 2015 17: 52 New
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            Quote: GSH-18
            No one argues with you what he gives out on FORCING about! 1900km / h But SUCH mode does not correspond to the 5 generation. Do you understand the difference? Afterburner mode is short-term, very very wear-resistant for the engine.

            240 km - afterburning supersonic flight at f35a, if that
            Thanks to the engine - and the engine there is a masterpiece - fully armed with F-35A with full fuel tanks, it is able to make maneuvers with overloading in the 9 g

            Quote: GSH-18
            All the rest of the time is a flying low-speed target for the Su-30, Su-33, Su-35, T-50

            Are you really sure about that?
          2. just exp 5 November 2015 18: 19 New
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            Well, actually, it can fly by 1.2 miles at 240 km, but it’s as if it weren’t in the neighboring store sgonzant.
  • mvg
    mvg 5 November 2015 16: 15 New
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    You have an extremely narrow idea of ​​the% generation .. "Dog dumps" for this generation, not a panacea .. And in them, this guinpin will not be a bird for whipping .. NOT ONE of the modern aircraft ..
    His tasks are preferably to get as close as possible, imperceptibly, complete the task and molt .. if BB is not to be avoided, then "Sidewinders 9x" are very good all-angle rockets. And on REB and another avionics, the 35th will give odds to many .. Plus, next to it will hang a “Hokai” some thread .. and cover the ambush ..
    What overwhelming superiority are you talking about? What will we suppress? Will we be surprised by the number of caps? There are already hundreds and a half of them flying .. and even 186 F-22 .. And here, excuse me, how many 30 and 35 combined?
    And for the money .. F-35 will cost 85-90 million, how much do we sell 30MKI to India? And how much is the value of the contract 35C to China? And there will be more than 3000 of these "Pepelats" ..
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      F-35 will cost 85-90
      That's when it will be later and say.
      how much do we sell 30MKI to India?
      40-50mil, but for example, Kazakhstan Su-30SM cost 5 mn rubles for 4 units, that is, 1,25 mn rubles per unit or 20 mil.
      And there will be more than 3000 of these "Pepelats" ..
      Makein requires a reduction in procurement f-35.
      1. Pimply 5 November 2015 17: 30 New
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        And there will be more of these "pepelats" 3000..Makein requires a reduction in procurement f-35.

        He is actually a republican politician who advocates for budgetary restrictions in principle. And now there was just a brawl for the budget, if you are not in the know.
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          McCain for reducing spending on weapons? I have a question - who blocked the recently increased military budget? Isn't Obama? But didn’t McCain supporters push this budget?
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            McCain for reducing spending on weapons? I have a question - who blocked the recently increased military budget? Isn't Obama? But didn’t McCain supporters push this budget?

            Are you well versed in the intricacies of US domestic politics?
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              I think better than you are trying to protect them.
              Details on the topic are on the network, do not be lazy to read the article.
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      Well, about the advanced avionics and electronic warfare I agree, and in close combat they will not have sidewinders but more advanced CUDA, but our aviation should not be underestimated, ours also have something to shoot from a distance until the F-35 reaches the CUDA launch distance.
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      Everything is fine. Their hundred flies out of range of air defense. Therefore, the difference in quantity is balanced by the type of task.
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      The presence of an air defense zone will compensate for the difference in quantity.

      If an offensive task is set, then the number is important. In this case, ground-based air defense is a deterrent. Which may well balance triple superiority.
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    Well, they flatter themselves very much. F-35 does not seem to be attracted to the 5-generation, if only because it is subsonic.

    Do not smack nonsense.
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    In this situation, it is very likely to state that our Dryers currently have overwhelming superiority over these expensive pepelats

    Perhaps you are right. But let's see how things are going with fighter platforms of the 5th generation ... PAK FA, although it flies and is tested, but the state tests are still at the implementation stage. The series will be, the question is how much and with what problems in the course of operation in the army. Further, the MIG design bureau is developing enthusiastically the 5th generation LFI, and perhaps after 5 years, God grant (taking into account the MIG 1.44 and PAK FA developments) we will be pleased with the appearance of a prototype. And it’s not at all a fact if the Mikoyanovites bring the new LFI to the state of a production car, the Moscow Region will purchase it.
    Americans in this regard are much more perspicacious, already signing contracts for the supply of F-35 to all their allies.
    It’s clear that dear Lightning and the elimination of all problems have no end in sight, but they already have a series (although they have not passed the state test). Perhaps the F-35s will be retrained (I'm talking about the main F-35 of the three modifications) into something otherwise, but one consolation is that the deadlines are postponed until 19, and then we'll see.
    We would have to gloat less, and think more about our LFI, which so far has not existed, but sadly.
    God forbid that everything went smoothly with PAK FA and finally brought to the series.
    Best regards hi
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      Perhaps the F-35 will be retrained (I'm talking about the main F-35 of the three modifications) to something else, but one consolation is that the deadlines are postponed until 19, and we'll see.

      Until the 20th, for software development and development reasons. And there, besides software problems, a carriage and a small cart. The fact that they riveted a "series" of raw aircraft to run into the Air Force before state acceptance is similar to fire measures to speed up refinement, not the fact that it will work the way they would like. Improvisation in this case is not the best technique. And when did we plan to start deliveries of the T-50 to the troops ??
      Serial deliveries of the aircraft to the troops should begin in 2016. Earlier it was reported that the current state armament program provides for delivery to the Air Force 60 serial PAK FA aircraft until 2020.

      Here from here: http://vpk.name/news/128356_v_2015_godu_na_ispyitaniya_vyiidut_eshe_tri_istrebit


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      1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 18: 19 New
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        And when did we plan to start deliveries of the T-50 to the troops ??
        Serial deliveries of the aircraft to the troops should begin in 2016. Earlier it was reported that the current State Arms Program provides for the delivery to the Air Force of 60 serial aircraft of the PAK FA program until 2020.

        That's right. But there are some points. The first, the number in the first series. And the second, what problems will arise (and they will) during the operation of serial machines that will need to be fixed.
        Also, PAK FA is a HEAVY fighter platform and it is not correct to put it mildly, to put it mildly. And therefore I touched on the topic of OUR LFI, which is not there, unfortunately.
        Sincerely. hi
        1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 18: 39 New
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          Also, PAK FA is a HEAVY Fighter Platform and leveling it with the F-35, to put it mildly, is not correct

          I do not equal. Everything is just fine. It is better to have a heavy version of the “5th” fighter platform than a light one in our Russian conditions of long distances.
          We have so historically evolved that we have an undisputed leader in the production of tactical aircraft - this is Sukhoi Design Bureau.
          And in my opinion it is absolutely deserved.
          In addition, the question generally arises of the need for a light fighter in the Air Force if there is a further transition to the 5th and subsequent generations. Such versatility good
          And if that, we already have a Yak-130
          1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 19: 04 New
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            It is better to have a heavy version of the “5th” fighter platform than a light one in our Russian conditions of long distances.

            Excuse me, did the fools come up with the concept of a fighter couple? The tasks for a light and heavy fighter are different and the possibilities. Or do you think it would be reasonable to shift all responsibilities to a heavy fighter? Then the question arises of the redundancy of use.

            Quote: GSH-18
            We have so historically evolved that we have an undisputed leader in the production of tactical aircraft - this is Sukhoi Design Bureau.

            The MIG KB has a different specialization. Now the Mikoyanites are working hard to create a new interceptor (let's call MIG-41) about the speed characteristics of which the Americans have been squealing for a year, and even voiced them: 4,5-5 max (and this, by the way, is a hyper sound ). So CB MIG also has enough work.
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            Such versatility

            We have not yet matured either technically or scientifically to a universal combat flying platform. For example, the Americans with their Lightning, in which they are trying to just push a little into it. It turns out? We see that it is not very.
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            And if that, we already have a Yak-140

            Sorry, not the Yak-140, but you probably meant the Yak-130. So from the Yak-130 LFI the 5th generation will not work. Here is the shock UAV, I think it will be excellent.
            Best regards hi
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              Or do you think it would be wise to shift all responsibilities to a heavy fighter?

              This is not me thinking. Everything goes to this.
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              The MIG KB has a different specialization. Now the Mikoyanites are working closely on creating a new interceptor (let's call MIG-41)

              I'm all for it! Let them deal with air defense planes. But now they’re not talking about them.
              Quote: NEXUS
              We have not yet matured either technically or scientifically to a universal combat flying platform.

              Where did you get such information? If the mattress did not work the first time, then this does not mean that it will not work with us. Remember the story of space travel? We Gagarin pulled around the Earth, and they brought Armstrong and Co. to the moon. Right now, the reverse situation can be with the 5th generation very easily.
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              Sorry, not the Yak-140, but you probably meant the Yak-130. So from the Yak-130 LFI of the 5th generation it won’t work out

              Yes, I already fixed it, thanks. But I insist that the concept of a fighter couple is starting to recede into the past. And in my opinion let the MiG-29s reach their resources, and it’s better to direct the money to the development of the 6th generation aircraft yes
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                This is not me thinking. Everything goes to this.

                It is coming, but it will not be soon.
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                Where did you get such information? If the mattress did not work the first time, then this does not mean that it will not work with us.

                Yes, because for now, the use of a heavy fighter in events for which the LFI is redundant and expensive. Their tasks are different, respectively, and the performance characteristics are different and the arsenal is also different. Well, and the price, respectively, too.
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                But I insist that the concept of a fighter couple is starting to be a thing of the past

                Your right. This concept will undoubtedly go away, but I am convinced that it will not be soon. Maybe in 30 years, who knows.
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                and it’s better to direct the money to the development of the 6th generation aircraft

                Even there are no requirements for the 6th generation and there is no concept of use. It has been argued for how many years that the 6th generation will be unmanned or manned. hi
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                  Yes, because for now, the use of a heavy fighter in events under which the LFI is sharpened is excessive and expensive.

                  Dear NEXUS, the concept of EXPENSIVE in wartime DOES NOT EXIST. There is a concept EFFECTIVELY! And no one will convince me that a fighter flying TWO times farther, seeing twice as good and taking on board twice as many weapons is worse than the one I cited this example hi Namely, such a difference between the same MIG-29 and Su-27.
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                  Even there are no requirements for the 6th generation and the concept of use

                  Well, here you are wrong. The mattress has already started developing 6-ki. They officially declared it.
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                    the concept of EXPENSIVE in wartime DOES NOT EXIST.

                    In the military maybe, but what about peacetime then?
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                    And no one can convince me that a fighter flying TWO times farther, seeing twice as good and taking on board twice as many weapons is worse than the one I gave this example with respect to, namely, such a difference between the same -29 and Su-27.

                    It’s not correct to compare a heavy fighter and an easy one! Explain how far the fighter is, if there is a battle over the front line? Does heavy one “eat” the same fuel much more gluttonous than light one. ? LFI in the series becomes faster. Remember the Second World War. The Germans collected the Tiger on the line as much as we managed to make 4-5 T-34s over the same time.
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                    Well, here you are wrong. The mattress has already started developing 6-ki. They officially declared it.

                    It can be stated that the 7th generation of LA is also being developed. What requirements for the 6th generation of LA have they voiced? hi
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                    In the military maybe, but what about peacetime then?

                    Combat use always occurs during hostilities, regardless of the extent and location of the conflict.
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    A heavy fighter and an easy one to compare is not correct at all! Explain to what range the fighter, if there is a battle over the front line?

                    That's just the point! The front line is mobile, but a limited number of airfields, no! Unless it's certainly an Aircraft Carrier lol
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    And they will knock him down, how many quantitatively thinning heavy fighters will you restore?

                    To bring it down you need to try very hard Pts, in contrast to the light visually impaired easier armed and not far flying airplane. Well, I wrote about this combat comparison.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    It can be stated that the 7th generation of LA is also being developed. What requirements for the 6th generation of LA have they voiced?

                    Nope, it's secret. But ours, I think, are already xeroxed for copy to Moscow lol
                  3. NEXUS 5 November 2015 22: 14 New
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                    That's just the point! The front line is mobile, but a limited number of airfields, no! Unless it's certainly an Aircraft Carrier

                    That's right, but let's take a look at the run of the same MIG-29 and SU-27 and compare. And then we'll see to whom which airfield is enough.
                    Quote: GSH-18
                    To bring it down you need to try very hard Pts, in contrast to the light visually impaired easier armed and not far flying airplane. Well, I wrote about this combat comparison.

                    Listen to you, so the LFI is not a fighter whose responsibility is to "stick" everything into the ground that flies from the other side, and the hang glider is weak. laughing The LFI has “teeth” and is imprisoned for using them.
                    Best regards hi
                  4. GSH-18 5 November 2015 22: 45 New
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                    That's right, but let's take a look at the run of the same MIG-29 and SU-27 and compare. And then we'll see to whom which airfield is enough.

                    I have a better suggestion. Let's look at the composition of the air group at our air base in Syria, "Hmeimim." Is the hint clear? smile
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                    Listen to you, so LFI is not a fighter

                    No, I didn’t say that. The 29th Migi, as part of its application, is a great car! One of their indisputable advantages is the ability to take off / land from federal highways (if there is some infrastructure for the service team). But we are discussing with you what we need for a prospect, and not what we already have. My statement: PAK FA will eventually squeeze out all this small fry. Just the principle of its creation, this implies. The unification of all that is possible in one machine, as a result, halving the number of cars in comparison with the concept of a two, cheaper for the same reasons, increasing the combat capabilities of each unit, as a result, increasing efficiency! Etc. Something like this.
                  5. NEXUS 5 November 2015 22: 51 New
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                    I have a better suggestion. Let's look at the composition of the air group at our air base in Syria, "Hmeimim." Is the hint clear?

                    And excuse me, why does the LFI, which is imprisoned for aerial combat and the "dog dump", in Syria? Is the hint clear? wink
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                    PAK FA will eventually squeeze out all this small fry.

                    That's when PAK FA will cost as LFI, and just as quickly leave the assembly shops (I'm talking about assembly speed), then there is no question, of course it will crowd out.
                    Question - Three LFIs against a single heavy band, who do you think will feel more comfortable? hi
                  6. GSH-18 5 November 2015 23: 08 New
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                    And excuse me, why does the LFI, which is imprisoned for aerial combat and the "dog dump", in Syria? Is the hint clear? wink

                    I see the hint is not understood.
                    We are using the Su-30SM as a fighter in Syria now.
                    By your logic, we should have used the MiG-29 in Syria to cover the Su-24 and Su-25. After all, its use is much cheaper and more effective according to your words. And for some reason we use the Su-30SM. Do you think ours do not know how to count money?
                    Just Using four Su-30SM replaces twice as many MiG-29. By the fact that the Su-30 can be twice as much in the air performing combat missions of airspace control. This means that you need half the space on the airfield, half as much technicians, half as much maintenance time, half as much kerosene and half as much bandwidth! Here is such an interesting math, with the same efficiency request
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                    That's when PAK FA will cost like an LFI

                    I already wrote about the cost. You can add only the famous statement by Monsieur Napoleon: Whoever does not want to feed his army will feed someone else's.
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                    Question-Three LFI against one heavy

                    And the cost of maintenance and the amount of burned kerosene during operation? I think the answer in favor of one PAK FA is obvious.
                  7. NEXUS 5 November 2015 23: 30 New
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                    I see the hint is not understood.
                    We are using the Su-30SM as a fighter in Syria now.

                    Apparently you didn’t understand the hint ... SU-30SM is a machine that can work not only for air targets, covering our bombers and attack aircraft, but it can work out very well on the ground, and climbing deep enough behind the front line. Therefore, the choice is quite logical. wink
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                    I already wrote about the cost. You can add only the famous statement by Monsieur Napoleon: Whoever does not want to feed his army will feed someone else's.

                    So for this, until the price of PAK FA becomes less acceptable for our MO, and we can purchase T-50 in sufficient quantities, we need to update the fleet of aging LFI, for which there will be work and application. Moreover, if we recall the speed characteristics of the same MIG-1.44 (which was then an MFI, multi-purpose, and not easy) for about 3 mach, and imagine for a moment that the new LFI will not be inferior in this indicator, then I think the machine will turn out very nimble.
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                    And the cost of maintenance and the amount of burned kerosene during operation? I think the answer in favor of one PAK FA is obvious.

                    Which is more likely to be shot down by a triple LFI. And then what kind of kerosene will you talk about? hi
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                    Apparently you didn’t understand the hint ... SU-30SM is a machine that can work not only for air targets, covering our bombers and attack aircraft, but it can work out very well on the ground, and climbing deep enough behind the front line. Therefore, the choice is quite

                    Su-30SM is used in Syria only as a fighter. Please read carefully. yes
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                    So for this, until the price of PAK FA becomes more or less acceptable for our MO, and we can purchase T-50 in sufficient quantities, we need to update the fleet of aging LFI

                    That's exactly why you should not spray money. Where then to put all this outdated fleet of conceptually outdated aircraft, why rivet them at all? You must immediately invest in novye, that is, the 5th and subsequent generations.

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                    Moreover, if we recall the speed characteristics of the same MIG-1.44 (which was the IFI

                    laughing Let's not, a hundred times have already been discussed! 1,44 conceptually outdated fuselage weft layout ... No further discussion. That is why at one time the state order money was given to the Sukhoi Design Bureau and not to the Migovtsy. Their lot Airplanes Air defense-narrow specialization request
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                    Which is more likely to be shot down by a triple LFI. And then what kind of kerosene will you talk about?

                    What is the three LFI? What kind of fairy tales? laughing A heavy fighter, in the first place, has a larger radar diameter than LFI, simply because it is larger in size. Accordingly, your LFI will be detected and attacked earlier. Can carry more weapons and more long-range. Well further tell, I think it’s not worth it wink Although you can and more lol
                    Understand, my friend, the LFI has no chance at a real meeting with the PAK FA. Unless he suddenly emerges from the ground. yes
                  9. NEXUS 6 November 2015 00: 29 New
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                    Su-30SM is used in Syria only as a fighter. Please read carefully.

                    So in fact, the operation of the videoconferencing takes a little more than a month. It's not evening yet. Or do you think that nothing can change?
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                    That's exactly why you should not spray money. Where then to put all this outdated fleet of conceptually outdated aircraft, why rivet them at all? You must immediately invest in novye, that is, the 5th and subsequent generations.

                    And I'm talking about creating a 5th generation LFI! wink And in the light of new developments, this will not be trash at all.
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                    Let's not, a hundred times have already been discussed! 1,44 conceptually obsolete fuselage weft layout ...

                    Did I really talk about starting to produce it? I talked about the developments that Mikoyan residents use to create 5th generation LFIs. But the glider and the filling in it will certainly be different.
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                    Accordingly, your LFI will be detected and attacked earlier.

                    Not at all a fact. Network-centric warfare has not yet been canceled, I believe when the enemy fighter approaches, the three LFI will know about it.
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                    Understand, my friend, the LFI has no chance at a real meeting with the PAK FA. Unless he suddenly emerges from the ground.

                    Say no chance ... hmm ... that is, do you think that they will be on the radar at the cord?
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                    Can carry more weapons and more long-range.

                    So, my friend, to shoot down a fighter, you need only one rocket, not a hundred. hi
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                    So in fact, the operation of the videoconferencing takes a little more than a month. It's not evening yet. Or do you think that nothing can change?

                    The Su-30SM in the amount of 4 units is planned to be used strictly as fighters to block bombing groups in hazardous areas and to control airspace in target areas. Only short-range and medium-range air-to-air missiles are carried. Another use of the Su-30SM multifunctional heavy fighters in this company is not provided for by the regulations for the use of the air group. Only like fighters. There are bombers and attack aircraft Su-24, Su-25 there. There are also multifunctional Su-34 bombers, which are used mainly to destroy "difficult" targets with special ammunition in the daytime and at night.
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                    Or do you think that nothing can change?

                    Whatever changes, functionally, the Su-30SM will still perform only the functions of heavy fighters. The air group is formed taking into account any possible tactical changes in the theater.
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                    I talked about the developments that Mikoyan residents use to create a 5th generation LFI

                    He will not be accepted into our Air Force for the above reasons. Most likely for export. This is correct and useful for the budget.

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                    Not at all a fact. Network-centric warfare has not yet been canceled, I believe when the enemy fighter approaches, the three LFI will know about it.

                    smile Well, the same situation can be from the side of the heavy fighter request Only on his side is a clear technological advantage.
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                    Do you think that they will be in full view on the heavy radar? And the smaller ESR of the smaller LFI in general is not taken into account here?

                    This is not what I think. This is radiophysics. EPR PAK FA is a soccer ball. EPR LFI gate of the fire department (with each of the three) Mig-29 is taken, because LFI-5 does not exist in nature. wink
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                    So, my friend, to shoot down a fighter, you need only one rocket, not a hundred. hi

                    Only this rocket should fly where necessary. And it must be brought before the enemy to the target, and this goal must naturally be captured earlier. In general, it turns out again that the advantage is on the side of the heavy multi-functional fighter good And one more clarification. Better TWO rockets. From one he can still dodge. There are all kinds of cool evasion maneuvers. fellow
                    Yes, and more intermeddle rockets, and other useful nishtyakov!
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                    Whatever changes, functionally, the Su-30SM will still perform only the functions of heavy fighters. The air group is formed taking into account any possible tactical changes in the theater.

                    I wouldn’t speak so self-confidently. And only the command knows about the strategies and plans of our VKS.
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                    He will not be accepted into our Air Force for the above reasons. Most likely for export. This is correct and useful for the budget.

                    Oh, why such confidence then? We need LFI-5 no less than for export, because as I said above the tasks and, accordingly, their implementation should be commensurate with the efforts made.
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                    This is not what I think. This is radiophysics. EPR PAK FA is a soccer ball. EPR LFI gate of the fire station (with each of the three)

                    I’m not talking about MIG-29, but about LFI-5, which will be created with stealth technologies. What does MIG-29 have to do with it? It will probably be less than a soccer ball.
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                    Only this rocket should fly where necessary. And it must be brought before the enemy to the target, and this goal must naturally be captured earlier. In general, it turns out again that the advantage is on the side of the heavy multi-functional fighter

                    Again, past. We are talking about the confrontation of equals in the issue of machine generation, which means that we can confidently say that LFI-5 will not only have a "small and medium hand", but also a "long" one. So it’s very debatable how everything will be there. In this case, even having lost 2 of the three light fighters, but having shot down a heavy one at the same time, anyway, even in the economic sense, the party with the LFI in this battle will win. hi
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                    Whatever changes, functionally, the Su-30SM will still perform only the functions of heavy fighters. The air group is formed taking into account any possible tactical changes in the theater.

                    I wouldn’t speak so self-confidently. And only the command knows about the strategies and plans of our VKS.

                    So what are the problems ?? If anything, maybe work on the ground! This only adds points to him compared to LFI. That is why the Su-30SM was included in the air group, and not the MiG-29. You practically answer your own question.
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                    Oh Li. Why such confidence then?

                    Under it there is no article in the state order. The emphasis is on more powerful and multifunctional Su aircraft.
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                    I’m not talking about MIG-29, but about LFI-5, which will be created with technology

                    You are a funny person, do not be offended. If LFI-5 will be created, then only at the expense of the MIG Corporation. And this means that all its parameters "5" will be mediocre without state support and naturally it will not be accepted into the Air Force. Only for sale. The creation of "5" is a huge front of research and development work. MIG itself will not pull it, and a no brainer. In addition, they don’t even have normal experience on this topic, because there are only projections and advertising for dummies. So, well, you understand me request
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                    Again, past. We are talking about the confrontation of equals in the issue of machine generation, which means that we can confidently say that LFI-5 will not only have a "small and medium hand", but also a "long" one.

                    It’s not very clear to me now what are we talking about? About Wishlist? There is not only at least one experimental LFI glider, but even tasks under the "planned" weapon. Discussing something that is not in nature is pretty pointless. Do you agree with me?
                    The Russian Air Force has decided, we are moving to the concept of multi-functional front-line fighters based on the Sukhoi Design Bureau.
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                    That is why the Su-30SM was included in the air group, and not the MiG-29. You practically answer your own question.

                    This is the answer to your question, why in Syria is the SU-30, and not the MIG-29. wink
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                    The emphasis is on more powerful and multifunctional Su aircraft.

                    I understand that you know in detail both the orders of the Moscow Region and the plans ... or do you think that even the official sources on the internet publish all the truth or the whole truth? In my opinion, the concept of state secrets has not been canceled, or Did I miss something?
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                    And this means that all its parameters "5" will be mediocre without state support and naturally it will not be accepted into the Air Force.

                    If the Mikoyanites decided to bring the LFI-5 project to its logical conclusion, it means it’s not doing nothing for nothing. And what they voiced doesn’t mean at all that it is so in fact. Think it yourself, it’s time to please our Defense Ministry "adversary? But what about the concepts of" surprise ", with which the last few years of amers have been pleasing, starting with Almaty. wink
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                    In addition, they don’t even have normal experience on this topic, because there are only projections and advertising for dummies. So, well, you understand me

                    About how. Say no to the operating time ... Well, let's start with the fact that ALL design bureaus are united into one concern, which means that the developments somehow become common. I don’t think that Sukhoi Design Bureau will not share and will not help, putting rivalry higher than the interests of the state.
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                    There is not only at least one experimental LFI glider, but even tasks under the "planned" weapon

                    Here you’re cheerful and a pleasant conversationalist, by God. Although it’s certainly healthy, but I initially designated you such a moment as that KB MIKOYAN was engaged in the development of LFI-5. Notice that she does not want to do it, but is already doing it. And I think that with a glider and other moments everything will be decided soon.
                    Best regards hi
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    This is a change in the philosophy of aviation, definitely! The Americans did not invest in the 5th generation the possibility of maneuverable aerial combat in direct line of sight.

    It seems to me that the installation of a 25mm gun is projected for use in the SC, they have a used Volcano for BMWs. hi
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      It seems to me that the installation of a 25mm gun is projected onto the application of the SC

      Not. They have problems with this. In addition to the gun, no rifle art systems were installed there. It’s just that now it’s necessary to modify the OS, vparivaya in his body more than 900 lines of gun control software. Initially, this was not intended. And because of this, the fire control software from the gun is periodically buggy. They want to be able to hit any targets at any heights, but the current software embedded in the OS doesn’t allow this to be done. So they will rewrite until the 20th year (according to their own statements)! And this is only one of the problems of this pepelats.
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    Chota, it reminds me ...
    In the Abrams M1A1 tank, the best thing is the Chobham armor from the English Challenger, the 120mm gun from the German leopard and the gas turbine engine from the Russian T-80.
    In F-35 - the best is the project copied from the Russian Yak-141, the English gun "Aden-25", copied from the Russian GS-6-23 hi
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      Quote: Thronekeeper
      Chota, it reminds me ...
      In the Abrams M1A1 tank, the best thing is the Chobham armor from the English Challenger, the 120mm gun from the German leopard and the gas turbine engine from the Russian T-80.
      In F-35 - the best is the project copied from the Russian Yak-141, the English gun "Aden-25", copied from the Russian GS-6-23

      Do not repeat strangers caressing your own hearing stupid things
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        Do you only need to repeat them? About the "unbreakable" Israeli-American aircraft and other invisibility?
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    This is not such an important element for a tactical bomber. On the MiG-31 and Su-24, the cannon with restrictions is still used .. on the number of shells in the queue .. and so much like a verified gun .. And then the gliders become completely khan and avionics breaks down ..
    They just showed that if it’s torn for a cannon, it can sometimes shoot .. At the same time, penguins do not faint from the blackout of the on-board network .. and stalled engines
    1. GSH-18 5 November 2015 16: 18 New
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      On the MiG-31 and Su-24, the cannon with restrictions is still used.

      You should understand, when you write this, that the F-35 is positioned by the Americans as the 5th generation with the goal of very profitably selling the Allies for loot. And the Mig-31 (interceptor, long arm of air defense) and Su-24 (which is generally a bomber), well, as if the gun is not the main thing here, they never positioned themselves as the 5th generation! Do you understand what I'm talking about? The 5th generation is, first of all, MULTIFUNCTIONALITY, stealth and cruising supersonic, well and further down the list. The list of differences and features of the 5th from all lies in the public domain on Wikipedia. Read and compare tth. Everything is simple.
      1. gladcu2 5 November 2015 16: 57 New
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        GSH-18

        You correctly noticed that the concept of the use of close combat has been developed. In connection with the recognition of the need to install a gun.

        Well, of course, no one canceled commercial projects.
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          GSH-18

          You correctly noticed that the concept of the use of close combat has been developed. In connection with the recognition of the need to install a gun.

          Well, of course, no one canceled commercial projects.

          And it was developed not only because the Russian Federation appeared in the presence of electronic warfare of the required quality, but also due to the fact that the Lochids cannot give the long-suffering B-35 all the properties of a fifth-generation fighter. This is indicated not only by the installation of the gun (which was not planned at all initially), and as a result, by a change in the concept of use, but also by the refusals of the Allies to purchase the initially declared volumes. It’s impossible to deceive everyone request despite aggressive advertising.
      2. Pimply 5 November 2015 17: 39 New
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        You should understand when you write that the F-35 is positioned by the Americans as the 5-generation with the goal of very profitably selling the allies for loot.

        And again, nonsense. In fact, the main deliveries - 3 / 4 - fall on the US Armed Forces.

        Quote: GSH-18
        5-th generation is primarily MULTIFUNCTIONALITY, stealth and cruising supersonic, well, and further down the list.

        No, actually. The 5 generation is a sum of factors determined primarily by the main customer, and not the ancient list. The Americans reached all of his points in F-22. And do not consider them fools if they decided to embody not everything that was in it. The experience of the real fifth generation is only with them. The advent of modern all-angle missiles, new homing heads and promising helmet-mounted target designation systems somehow sent super-maneuverability to hell. Not until the end, of course, but very much.
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          Pimply
          The advent of modern all-angle missiles, new homing heads and promising helmet-mounted target designation systems somehow sent super-maneuverability to hell. Not until the end, of course, but very much.

          It’s even getting scary recourse Well, let's fantasize a little. and so we have F22 with all angles of perspective, a promising helmet-mounted system TsU and Su35 by the way having the same thing. The 22nd pilot turns his head as far as he could and ... at that time the TGSN located inside the weapons compartment cannot be captured by the hull, trouble, but it turns out they have a system even more promising (let's say materialized out of desires), through the helmet-mounted target designator got a target designation program and press "start". The rocket detaches, unfolds at the point where the program indicated, and there ..., damn over maneuverability. At the P73 drying still on the pylon, the target will grab and not let go.
          Well, God forbid that not all fantasies come true. hi
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            Somehow it’s even scary to recourse Well, let's fantasize a little

            The fact is that the possibilities of super-maneuverability are primarily important in close combat. Namely, such a battle will be in a dense network Air defense and electronic warfare over our territory!
            Farther. As soon as the radio signatures (and other physical markers) of these pepelats are calculated, our air defense will shoot them like a dash. Unless they rub their belly against the ground, they will begin to rub. But here, too, they are not comfortable, the Mig-31 will not be asleep. And it’s not worth talking about Drying.
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              Namely, such a battle will be in a dense network of air defense and electronic warfare over our territory!

              Do you realize that UAVs and guided missiles will be capable of carrying out these rich air defense systems (if Gd forbid such a collision)? And that by the time the pilots arrive, this air defense will be seriously thinned out (as we say in 1982 in the Bekaa Valley)
              1. NEXUS 5 November 2015 23: 11 New
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                And that by the time the pilots arrive, this air defense will be seriously thinned out

                The fact is that the air defense and missile defense will not sit as well. And in the conditions of Network-Centric War, not everything will be so rosy and easy. The carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic, various Avaks and others like them, as well as GPS satellites, will be destroyed in the first queue. And subject to layered air defense and missile defense, thinning out all this will be oh, how easy. hi
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            Quote: NIKNN
            It’s even getting scary. Well, let's fantasize a little. and so we have the F22 with all angular rockets, the promising helmet-mounted system of the control system and the Su35 by the way having the same thing. The 22go pilot turns his head as much as he could and ... at that time the TGSN located inside the weapons compartment cannot well capture it through the hull, trouble, but it turns out they have a system even more promising (let's say materialized out of desires), via the helmet-mounted target designator got a target designation program and press "start". The rocket disengages, unfolds to the point where the program indicated, and there ..., damn it over maneuverability. At the P73 drying still on the pylon, the target will grab and not let go.
            Well, God forbid that not all fantasies come true.

            Do you understand, at least, that the overloads that electronics can experience are much higher than those that people can endure. And that no over-maneuverability in such a situation will help
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            Quote: NIKNN
            Pimply
            The advent of modern all-angle missiles, new homing heads and promising helmet-mounted target designation systems somehow sent super-maneuverability to hell. Not until the end, of course, but very much.

            It’s even getting scary recourse Well, let's fantasize a little. and so we have F22 with all angles of perspective, a promising helmet-mounted system TsU and Su35 by the way having the same thing. The 22nd pilot turns his head as far as he could and ... at that time the TGSN located inside the weapons compartment cannot be captured by the hull, trouble, but it turns out they have a system even more promising (let's say materialized out of desires), through the helmet-mounted target designator got a target designation program and press "start". The rocket detaches, unfolds at the point where the program indicated, and there ..., damn over maneuverability. At the P73 drying still on the pylon, the target will grab and not let go.
            Well, God forbid that not all fantasies come true. hi

            I’m embarrassed to ask: Will the R-73 itself take over? Her little GOS, km for 600-800 will even see something? Or maybe the radar of the aircraft will see the target, the clever BTsVM will tell you the most terrible target and how to deal with it? The pilot sadly agrees with the computer, and presses "PLI", after which the AIM-120 will jump out of the fighting compartment, turn to the side of the target and go to the intended meeting with the target. Km so for twenty, the GOS missiles will turn on, see a target from 12-17 km, if you don’t see it, it will “search” at the rate, then it will be captured, and will fly to meet, swell, with the plane you like to the brudenshaf ... And you Excuse me, how did you imagine? What are there (in the fighting compartment) all kinds of 7, 9, 120 rackets there and twist their noses, following the pilot's helmet?
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      perhaps for this purpose a slightly reduced caliber, to reduce vibrations and problems associated with them ..
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        perhaps for this purpose a slightly reduced caliber, to reduce vibrations and problems associated with them ..

        Yes, EVERYTHING is reduced there, down to the number of valves on the fuel system. Well, at least the pilot remained alive. I don’t want to talk about the real combat situation ..
  • sancho 5 November 2015 16: 23 New
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    And, all the same, what are their pretty faces and speech ... Straight James Bond ...


    I just want this person to scream on the air "- Mayday ... Mayday ... Mayday, I'm under fire, I attacked Russian .... aaaaaa" laughing drinks

    Tired already ...
  • theadenter 5 November 2015 17: 53 New
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    Suffered a gun. They ditched so much time and money.
    And I doubt that this gun is dangerous for modern combat.
    1. viktorrymar 5 November 2015 21: 53 New
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      They shove this shnyaga to all the allies for several years, and they only tested the gun. Ohrenet !!!!! You buy the main thing, and then we will teach him to fly and shoot, well, and the service package in pursuit)))))
      Gow. But. Aircraft!!!!!
  • marlin1203 6 November 2015 00: 54 New
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    Are they seriously counting on close maneuverable combat on this gold electron microscope? .. belay
  • bad
    bad 5 November 2015 15: 21 New
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    [quote] [/ quot About the intention to refuse the purchase of F-35 previously announced the new Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau. The Pentagon has already decided that because of the demarche of its neighbors, the US economy will not receive at least $ 65 million.e] ... problems ??? laughing
    1. just exp 5 November 2015 15: 29 New
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      it is the Canadians along the way wanted to buy half the plane.
    2. DarthVedro 5 November 2015 16: 10 New
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      Probably, they meant billions, because the fighter itself is only a small part of the costs. There is also an alteration of infrastructure, maintenance, spare parts, a production license (Canadians as well), training of instructors and promotion.
      1. gladcu2 5 November 2015 17: 02 New
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        DarthVedro

        Who to defend against? Or attack?

        What is the meaning?

        While there was money, you could play politics. And as the crisis in the yard and opinions were divided.
    3. NEXUS 5 November 2015 22: 03 New
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      .Problems???

      Yes, so far, problems. Problems will begin when Australia backtracks, which has been hinted at for many years, and Norway and other customers have begun to reduce their announced purchases of this miracle pipelats. In the meantime, we sit still, chew popcorn and enjoy this comedy. It is important that with all these delays, shortcomings, and disruptions, we have time to bring the PAK FA to the series, and to seriously advance in creating our new LFI hi
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        Yes, so far, problems. Problems will begin when Australia backtracks, which has been hinted at for many years, and Norway and other customers have begun to reduce their announced purchases of this miracle pipelats. In the meantime, we sit still, chew popcorn and enjoy this comedy. It is important that with all these delays, shortcomings, and disruptions, we have time to bring the PAK FA to the series, and to seriously advance in creating our new LFI

        Bet that won't happen?
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        to bring the PAK FA to the series, well, seriously advance in the creation of your new LFI hi

        It's funny But I will translate for you your own phrase. PAK FA-Perspective Aviation COMPLEX Frontline Aviation. Do you hear the word complex? This word does not imply further use of LFI, since COMPLEX includes its capabilities, while at the same time reducing the cost and increasing the effectiveness of the application. One can argue with this, but the very presence of PAK FA is an iron argument.
  • cniza 5 November 2015 15: 23 New
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    Some strange information that they wanted to say is not clear. request
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      Quote: cniza
      Some strange information that they wanted to say is not clear. request

      Apparently: - Now I will beat everyone.
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        Yes!
        Interestingly - what a reaction of Russia - oh-wei! or "Katz always offered to give up!" laughing (although this is of course unlikely - the Russians do not give up!)
        It remains now to wait until the United States once again announces a change in the image of Lightning - this time into a purely attack aircraft, and that the gun is available - there is something to shoot at ground targets (is it another matter? Is it necessary?) hell even vigorous) and air-to-surface missiles. So that is all! Done Wunderwaffe. Wait and see.
        I have the honor.
    2. gladcu2 5 November 2015 17: 28 New
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      cniza

      GSH-18

      Correctly summed up the resume. Revised the concept of close combat. This is the point of the article.

      But there is always the possibility of information sabotage. To support the economically costly response of a potential adversary.
  • Dezinto 5 November 2015 15: 24 New
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    Well, go nuts now ....
  • Mama_Cholli 5 November 2015 15: 25 New
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    Really spectacular ...
    Here the full-scale tests on the F35 of the SU 37 gun (in a real dog fight) would be much more spectacular ...
    True, an interview with the F35 pilot after these tests would not have been necessary, for a good reason ....
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    Nuuuu ... Oh, and not live !!! lol
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    And in our Penates the flight tests of the long-awaited PD-14 at the flying laboratory Il-76LL began.

    On the IL-76LL (tail number RA-76529, serial No. 08-07), the PD-14 engine No. 100-07 was mounted. It was manufactured by Aviadvigatel OJSC (Perm) and sent to the LII them. M.M. Gromov at the end of September 2015. During the PD-14 tests on the IL-76LL wing, engine operating parameters will be recorded, telemetry and performance assessment of the fuel and oil systems, as well as automatic control systems, will be carried out.
  • Maksus 5 November 2015 15: 31 New
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    The main thing is that the pilot is alive.
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      The main thing is that the pilot is alive.


      laughing In honor of this event, he will present his watch to his son!
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      Quote: Maksus
      The main thing is that the pilot is alive.

      Lucky. But it also happens
      During the tests, the pilot of the F-11 Tiger tested a 20-mm cannon and managed to catch up with the shells that were fired from the guns of the aircraft.
  • Buffalo 5 November 2015 15: 33 New
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    Not only not spectacular, but also ineffective. Ours used 23 mm guns, with a higher rate of fire than the Yankees, and found that 30 mm were more suitable.
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      Multi-barrel aviation?
      The American has 4 trunks. 3000 rounds per minute.
      And how many were 23 mm?
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        Our answer to Chamberlain (notice from 2 trunks):
        GSh-2-30 (GSh-2-30K)
        GSh-2-30 on a Su-25 airplane
        Media
        Su-25, Su-39, (Mi-24P)
        Dimensions, m
        Length
        1978
        Width
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        Height
        185
        Weight
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        390
        Chuck weight, g
        832
        Mass of gun, kg
        105 (126)
        Characteristics
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        30
        The number of trunks
        2
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        250 (750)
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        Rate of fire, rds / min
        3000 (300-2600)
        Initial speed, m / s
        900 (940)
        Continuous queue length
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          Thank you.
          Interesting. The Russians use Gast's 2-barrel scheme (with connecting rod)
          and the Americans - the multi-barrel Gatling scheme (revolving principle).
          The Gast scheme is simpler and lighter in weight; the Gatling scheme allows you to achieve more
          rate of fire with less barrel heating.
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            The Gast scheme is simpler and lighter in weight; the Gatling scheme

            You want to say that 4 trunks weigh lighter than 2? I thought the Jews know how to count ..
            And so, for erudition, Gryazev and Shipunov are considered world legends of machine gun and cannon aviation weapons. I highly doubt that they designed heavy and low-speed weapons for the aircraft no This is rather the destiny of our American and other NATO partners. Feel free, but it is.
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              You want to say that 4 trunks weigh lighter than 2? I thought the Jews know how to count.

              Do you even know how to read? The Gast system is used in the construction of GSH-23. YOU DIRECTLY WRITE THAT THIS SYSTEM IS EASY.
      2. sabakina 5 November 2015 16: 12 New
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        The question is how much BK he takes with him ...
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          And what a result is an insignificant density of fire.
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        6 and 12000 respectively.
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      Looking for what
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    And even today at the Admiralty Shipyards, a solemn ceremony of transferring the diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 Krasnodar to the Navy took place.
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      And even today at the Admiralty Shipyards, a solemn ceremony of transferring the diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 Krasnodar to the Navy took place.

      The news is certainly good, but a bit in style, and I also have a brother boxer. )))) +
      But if it had been written that for the first time a diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 Krasnodar experienced a gun in the air !!! That would be .... number))
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        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        Now, if it were written that for the first time a diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 Krasnodar experienced a gun in the air !!!

        Krasnodar "- a diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3" Varshavyanka ". It is designed to deal with enemy submarines and ships, for the defense of naval bases, coastal and sea communications, reconnaissance and patrol activities on enemy communications.
        The boat was launched on April 25, 2015.
        The surface displacement is 2350 tons, the underwater displacement is 3950 tons, the maximum length is 73 meters, the maximum hull width is 10 meters, the average draft is 6,2 meters, the surface speed is 17 knots, the underwater speed is 20 knots, the working depth is 240 meters, the maximum immersion depth is 350 meters, the crew is 52 people, the autonomy is 45 days, the diving range at an economic speed of 400 miles.
        In service, Krasnodar has 6 533 mm caliber torpedo tubes with automatic loading, 18 torpedoes, 24 mines, 4 Caliber missiles, Strela-3 or Igla MANPADS, 8 missiles. “Are these airborne test tricks?” wink love
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          diesel-electric submarine of the 636.3 project "Varshavyanka"

          The lead submarine of the 877 project (Halibut), according to the NATO classification Kilo (Varshavyanka), went into operation in the 1980 year. By and large, it differs from the improved 636 project only in the absence of a “Caliber”.
          For the Black or Caspian Sea, of course, a good option, but for the ocean fleets - the North and Pacific Oceans, it would be time to think about air-independent power plants. About a few years ago. Or will we try to go on the Soviet past? Such an event is not triumphant, but ordinary, normal, not worthy of such a discussion after an article on aviation. Now, if VNEU had been installed on the 636, there would be a reason for conversation. And then we will soon “Caliber” on the reserve rolling stock with steam traction to put and rejoice which WE are smart, that will definitely be unparalleled in the world.
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      gjv 5 November 2015 15: 40 New
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      The construction of the Varshavyanka series for the Black Sea Fleet began in August 2010. The first boat Novorossiysk was transferred to the fleet on September 17, 2014, the second - Rostov-on-Don - December 30, 2014, the third - Stary Oskol - July 3, 2015, the fourth - Krasnodar - November 5, 2015 .
      Two more boats - Veliky Novgorod and Kolpino - are currently being built at the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg.
      The transfer of a series of submarines of project 636.3 Varshavyanka to the Black Sea Fleet will end on November 25, 2016. This was during the ceremony of raising the St. Andrew’s flag on the fourth boat of the series, said Rear Admiral Viktor Kochemazov, Head of the Combat Training Directorate of the Russian Navy.
      All six boats will be based at the Novorossiysk Naval Base. Now Novorossiysk is already based there.
      1. kamil_tt 5 November 2015 15: 51 New
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        and how does news about a submarine, even repeated twice, relate to the F-35 cannon?
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      Well, seven feet under the keel and the "caliber" in the mines !!! soldier
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      And even today at the Admiralty Shipyards, a solemn ceremony of transferring the diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 Krasnodar to the Navy took place.

      To us, in the Black Sea will go! good
  • PlotnikoffDD 5 November 2015 15: 35 New
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    Charles Tricky made one burst of 22 rounds and two of 30 from the integrated four-barreled GAU-60 / A cannon. ”

    After 5 years, new tests, try to get out of the gun somewhere.
  • Same lech 5 November 2015 15: 36 New
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    the 5th generation multifunctional aircraft F-35 Lightning II for the first time tested its 25-mm cannon in the air,


    The mountain gave birth to a mouse ... smile what an achievement.
  • Tusv 5 November 2015 15: 38 New
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    Promise to customers. Although the National Interest sent the F-35 to the top five worst American pepelats, the cannon can fire even in the air
  • Appius 5 November 2015 15: 38 New
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    Americans even have nothing to boast about))) laughing
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      What about stealth technology?
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        What about stealth technology?

        Stealth technology was originally invented not by the Americans, but in the USSR. hi
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    [quote = gjv] And even today, at the Admiralty Shipyards, a solemn ceremony of transferring the diesel-electric submarine of project 636.3 Krasnodar to the Navy took place.
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    And also a decision was made to extend this series.
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    The Turks comment so ... IN THE WORLD THE MOST STRONG AGAIN HE (THIS)
  • Wedmak 5 November 2015 15: 51 New
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    Well, at least kill, I don’t understand the Americans and their system for the release of new aircraft. Already riveted more 150 boards. And ... tests are still underway .. now we got to the gun! Ept. 2013 tested the missile launch system. Prior to this, in 2012, patching (i.e. standing on the ground, model bombs were thrown into the pit from the bomb bay) were tested for bombs.
    I'm actually in ah ... e. We have T-50 (the first flight in 2010), 6 copies at this moment, and testing the tail and mane. From 4 they began to fly for combat use. And then ... from 2006 of the year !!! come testing guns !!!
    And still so pathetically they say that they say that contrary to criticism, IT WORKS SAME! And such money, it should work 5 years ago and cause fear !!!!
    And if they find a serious jamb in a critical system? All 150 boards redo?
    1. kunstkammer 5 November 2015 16: 03 New
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      at least kill I do not understand Americans

      but why is it incomprehensible? They collect money from all over the world, including Russian, and they want it and what they want riveted.
      If Che - Nabiulina call .. she still throws tugriks.
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      So they reworked when they discovered the problem of fuel ignition during fuel discharge. Then, of course, there were fewer boards, but the cut was obvious
      1. Wedmak 5 November 2015 16: 19 New
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        but the cut is obvious

        I drank it with a cut, but damn it’s not too lazy ... and how can one be friends with such a conscience?
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      And if they find a serious jamb in a critical system? All 150 boards redo?

      Yes, this is nonsense - 150 boards. Vaughn Volkswagen must recall 2 million cars due to low-quality diesel and they don’t cry. The main thing is that they are already sold at a high price.
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    5. Morrrow 5 November 2015 19: 09 New
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      The Pentagon wanted a family of fighters, and so it is necessary to work out on different prototypes.
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      Do you know for sure that 6 boards all fly? Only recently they drew an article that the 6th instance went to repair the 5th, in which the engines took off during take-off .. and the glider caught fire .. and so, 3 gliders fly, 2 more on the ground, strength tests, and then .. then gliders fly, with engines of the previous generation (ed 117), with an incomprehensible AFAR (in the sense of which they will leave or put something better) with an incomplete avionics kit. each glider experiences its own piece of equipment. There are big doubts that there is at least 1 !!! pre-production sample, on which is everything that will be on the first series in the promised 2016. It’s just looking the truth. If I had, I would already have boasted more than one MAKS or Le Bourget .. The DB missile doesn’t physically fit into the combat compartment at all .. There’s also a GSI for years, if you really look .. we’ll get something in 2018. Aircraft 8-12 .. The bourgeois will already have several hundred. They promise to make 120-150 pieces per year ..
  • Altona 5 November 2015 15: 58 New
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    I didn’t understand anything now ... There is a cannon, then there is a melee weapon to confront the enemy in dog-fighting, melee ... The commentators above wrote about this, the clumsy and outstanding aircraft pilot deviates from its main mission "invisible long-range strike "... Then why was all this created? We will see how this prodigy proves to be in real, not in ideal conditions ... So far, it’s not particularly impressive and not even in terms of entertainment, but in terms of design and achieved result ...
  • kunstkammer 5 November 2015 15: 59 New
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    the pilot looks just lucky ... uh, it cost, although he didn’t shoot himself .. and that’s joy!
  • Diviz 5 November 2015 16: 05 New
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    The information was that the laser gun will be put on f35. Not well, maybe they just test the prototype of next fighters on which there will be a fundamentally new engine. And so this plane into the furnace.
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    The first tests were not spectacular and very modest. According to the publication, “test pilot Major Charles Tricky made one turn from 22 shots and two from 30 from the integrated four-barreled gun GAU-60 / A. The shooting itself lasted a few seconds.

    I want to laugh at such progress and quickness. He tested a gun at the age of fourteen (of an airplane) ... negative
    The question immediately begs itself: "And at the age of 13 could not? Late maturity?" Well, of course, for the first time, "firing" lasts a few seconds and this process should not be advertised ... laughing
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  • polite people 5 November 2015 16: 20 New
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    Our electronic warfare systems nullify all the efforts of American aircraft designers. soldier
  • yuriy55 5 November 2015 16: 20 New
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    So they test aircraft guns:
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    Well, somehow collapsed, I hope ?!
  • sabakina 5 November 2015 16: 23 New
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    F-35 first tested the gun in the air

    Mmmmmmm, have you been in vacuo before? belay
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      Quote: sabakina
      Mmmmmmm, have you been in vacuo before?

      No, they tested it on a stand on the ground. Well, of course in the air, but not on the plane during the flight.
  • search engine 5 November 2015 16: 36 New
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    Quote: Temples
    The intention to refuse to purchase F-35 was previously announced by the new Prime Minister of Canada Justin Trudeau. The Pentagon has already decided that because of the demarche of neighbors, the US economy will receive at least $ 65 million.


    Canadians only wanted to buy a tail for 65 million? wassat
    Today, every F-35 costs $ 138 million.

    After testing the gun, the price will skyrocket to $ 150 million
  • kamil_tt 5 November 2015 16: 57 New
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    what if he is capable of 1900 mph? then what? what would you convince in the war should our pilots die until they come up with a new tactic?

    convince what? what is it subsonic? what does the death of pilots?
  • v1tz 5 November 2015 17: 02 New
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    Either firing, or airing a "bunch" coming from the cockpit ...
    1. Major Yurik 5 November 2015 17: 21 New
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      Sorry, Vitaliy! I accidentally pressed the wrong one, cryingprobably getting old, do not demand! love
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    It is time for them to think about the means of salvation ...)
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    Quote: Pimply
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    Well, they flatter themselves very much. F-35 does not seem to be attracted to the 5-generation, if only because it is subsonic.

    Do not smack nonsense.

    not in sports, they will zamusuyut nevertheless, the person decided that it’s not sound and that’s all, even though you crack, but the characteristics are all faked)
  • Altona 5 November 2015 19: 09 New
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    http://rusvesna.su/news/1446729835

    There is an article on “Russian Spring” about the five worst fighters, so there is a fighter that “knocked out” itself, caught its own shells from a cannon ... Anecdote in practice ...

    The third place is occupied by the carrier-based fighter of the American Navy Grumman F-11 Tiger, known primarily for the fact that in the literal sense of the word he knocked himself out. During the tests, the F-11 Tiger pilot tested a 20-mm cannon and managed to catch up with the shells that it fired from the guns, writes The National Interest.
    1. Pimply 5 November 2015 20: 19 New
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      Quote: Altona
      There is an article on “Russian Spring” about the five worst fighters, so there is a fighter that “knocked out” itself, caught its own shells from a cannon ... Anecdote in practice ...

      At the "Russian Spring" write a lot of things
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    Quote: Sergei1982
    F-35 will cost 85-90
    That's when it will be later and say.
    how much do we sell 30MKI to India?
    40-50mil, but for example, Kazakhstan Su-30SM cost 5 mn rubles for 4 units, that is, 1,25 mn rubles per unit or 20 mil.
    And there will be more than 3000 of these "Pepelats" ..
    Makein requires a reduction in procurement f-35.

    Not true. F-35s of Turkey and Italy go for 116 million each, they sell to themselves for 86 million each, there are links above .. And it's also that they will be produced in a number of countries. Italy, Japan, Holland ... i.e. the local budget will take out more money. And India’s Su-30MKI are "leaving" for 100 million each. $, otherwise they would not consider the proposal of Rafal and Eurofighter about 120 million for each. Kazakhstan and Belarus are not an indicator, it is the Collective Security Treaty Organization, we practically give them weapons, just as the “God-chosen” require “gifts” for themselves .. in the amount of 3.1 billion. $. 20 million, even the old F-16 is not worth it, the cheapest is about 36 million, about 30 million is exported FC-1 of China ..
    For the Su-35S, Su-30SM (MKK, MKI, etc.) there is no sighting equipment on the ground .. These are now pure interceptors. There passive headlamps, such a resolution as 30x30 cm, were not seen spawn ..
    What do you think, how much will the price tag for the T-50 (FCPGA if there will be) for Russia and India, if we buy it in the amount of 150-200 pcs? I’m afraid that I’ll catch up with F-22A .. Only those ALREADY fly since 1997, there are trained pilots, a bunch of "childhood" diseases are fixed, there are application tactics ..
    PS: Not everything is so fun, but not everything is so bad .. But one should not underestimate the ENEMY .. Even those planes on which Europe flies .. and BV. Rafali, Typhoons, Needles, Vipers .. Very worthy rivals.
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    Explain to me who doesn’t understand, why a gun on a fighter ... if I blow our air off it .... sorry .... but I'm an infantry
    what for....
    now in Syria we throw bombs
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    Quote: Maxom75
    You can laugh a lot, but our T-50 has not yet been accepted into service, but oh, how it is already needed.

    I strained my budget, which ultimately delayed testing and refinement for another 5 years! But I do not think that the appearance of 5th generation aircraft will give such serious advantages in the air - so far this is a very expensive toy and nothing more! In practice, these advantages (supposedly inconspicuous) will be offset by the use of electronic warfare and good AFAR, not to mention the counteraction to them from modern air defense. what
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    in agony, but gave birth
  • mosquit 6 November 2015 19: 55 New
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    I don’t understand, because they announced the "achievement of combat readiness" ... wassat
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    the warthog is also not a su-35, but it was a very efficient aircraft.
    the warthog is an A-10 ????