10 Remarkable Facts About the 1939 – 1940 Soviet-Finnish War

10 Remarkable Facts About the 1939 – 1940 Soviet-Finnish War



Little-known details of the military campaign, which eclipsed the Great Patriotic War

This year, November 30, 76 will mark the years since the beginning of the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939 – 1940, which in our country and beyond it is often called the Winter War. Unleashed right on the eve of World War II, the Winter War remained in its shadow for a very long time. And not only because the memories of her were quickly eclipsed by the tragedies of the Great Patriotic War, but also because of all the wars in which the Soviet Union participated in one way or another, this was the only war initiated by Moscow.

Move the border to the west

The winter war became literally “a continuation of politics by other means.” After all, it began right after several rounds of peace negotiations were stalled, during which the USSR tried to move the northern border as far as possible from Leningrad and Murmansk, instead of offering Finland land in Karelia. The Maynil incident became an immediate pretext for the outbreak of hostilities: artillery shelling of Soviet troops on the border with Finland on November 26 1939 of the year, which resulted in four soldiers. Moscow placed responsibility for the incident on Helsinki, although later the fault of the Finnish side was subject to reasonable doubts.


Maynilsky incident. Photo: Fedor Levshin / RIA News

Four days later, the Red Army crossed the border of Finland, thus starting the Winter War. Its first stage - from November 30 1939 to February 10 1940 - was extremely unfortunate for the Soviet Union. Despite all the efforts, the Soviet troops did not succeed in breaking through the Finnish defense line, which by that time was already called Mannerheim’s line with might and main. Moreover, during this period, the deficiencies of the existing system of organization of the Red Army were most clearly manifested: poor controllability at the middle and junior level and lack of initiative among the commanders of this level, poor communication between units, types and types of troops.

The second phase of the war, which began on February 11 on the 1940 of the year after a massive ten-day preparation, ended in victory. Until the end of February, the Red Army managed to reach all those lines that it planned to reach before the new year, and push the Finns back to the second line of defense, constantly creating a threat to the encirclement of their troops. 7 March 1940, the Finnish government sent its delegation to Moscow to participate in peace negotiations, which ended with the conclusion of a peace treaty on March 12. It stipulated that all the territorial claims of the USSR (the ones that were discussed at the talks on the eve of the war) would be satisfied. As a result, the border on the Karelian Isthmus moved away from Leningrad to 120 – 130 kilometers, to the Soviet Union the whole Karelian Isthmus with Vyborg, the Vyborg Bay with islands, the western and northern shores of Lake Ladoga, a number of islands in the Gulf of Finland, part of the Rybachiy Peninsulas, and the Peninsula, and a half of the peninsula, Hanko and the marine area around it were leased to the USSR for 30 years.

For the Red Army, victory in the Winter War came at a high price: irretrievable losses were, according to various sources, from 95 to 167 thousand people, another 200-300 thousand people were injured and frostbite. In addition, Soviet troops suffered heavy losses in technology, primarily in tanks: out of almost 2300 tankswho went into battle at the beginning of the war, about 650 were completely destroyed and 1500 were shot down. In addition, moral losses were severe: both the army command and the whole country, despite the massive propaganda, understood that the military force of the USSR needed urgent modernization. It began during the Winter War, but, alas, was never completed until June 22, 1941.

Between truth and fiction


History and the details of the Winter War, which quickly faded in the light of the events of the Great Patriotic War, have since been revised and copied, refined and rechecked more than once. As it happens with any major historical events, the Russian-Finnish 1939 – 1940 war also became an object of political speculation both in the Soviet Union and beyond its borders - and remains to them to this day. After the collapse of the USSR, it became fashionable to revise the results of all key events in the history of the Soviet Union, and the Winter War was no exception. In the post-Soviet historiography, the Red Army’s casualty figures and the number of tanks and aircraft destroyed increased, while the Finnish losses, on the contrary, were significantly underestimated (despite even official data from the Finnish side, which remained almost unchanged against this background).

Unfortunately, the farther in time the Winter War moves away from us, the less chances are that someday we will know the whole truth about it. The last direct participants and eyewitnesses are passing away, in order to please the political winds, documents and material evidence are shuffled and disappear, and even new, often false, appear. But some facts about the Winter War are already so firmly fixed in world history that they cannot be changed for any reason. About ten of the most remarkable of them we will describe below.

Mannerheim Line

Under this name, a line of fortifications erected by Finland in the 135-kilometer stretch along the border with the USSR entered history. The flanks of this line rested on the Gulf of Finland and Lake Ladoga. At the same time, the Mannerheim Line had an 95-kilometer depth and consisted of three successive defense lines. Since the line, despite its name, began to be built long before Baron Karl Gustav Emil Mannerheim became commander-in-chief of the Finnish army, the main one in its composition was the old single-blooded long-term firing points (DOTs) capable of firing only frontal fire. There were about seven dozen of these in the line. Fifty more pillboxes were more modern and could fire on the flanks of the attacking troops. In addition, barrier lines and anti-tank facilities were actively used. In particular, in the support zone, there were 220 km of wire barriers in several dozen rows, 80 km of anti-tank granite snags, as well as anti-tank ditches, walls and minefields. Official historiography on both sides of the conflict emphasized that the Mannerheim Line was practically insurmountable. However, after the Red Army command system was rebuilt, and the tactics of storming the fortifications were revised and linked to preliminary artillery preparation and support by tanks, it only took three days to break through.


Destroyed Finnish DOT Sk16 during the Winter War, part of the Mannerheim Line. Photo by Alexander Chizhenok / Interpress / TASS
Finnish Democratic Republic

The day after the start of the Winter War, Moscow Radio announced the creation of the Finnish Democratic Republic in the city of Terijoki on the Karelian Isthmus. It existed as long as the war itself went on: until March 12 1940. During this time, only three countries in the world agreed to recognize the newly formed state: Mongolia, Tuva (at that time not yet part of the Soviet Union) and the USSR itself. Actually, the government of the new state was formed from its citizens and the Finnish immigrants living on the Soviet territory. He headed it, becoming at the same time Minister of Foreign Affairs, one of the leaders of the Third Communist International, a member of the Communist Party of Finland Otto Kuusinen. On the second day of its existence, the Finnish Democratic Republic concluded an agreement on mutual assistance and friendship with the USSR. Among its main points were taken into account all the territorial demands of the Soviet Union, which became the cause of the war with Finland.

Sabotage war


Since the Finnish army entered the war, although mobilized, but clearly losing the Red Army, both in numbers and technical equipment, the Finns relied on defense. And the so-called mine war, more precisely, the technology of continuous mining, became its essential element. As the Soviet soldiers and officers who participated in the Winter War recalled, they could not even imagine that practically everything that the human eye could see could be mined. “The stairs and thresholds of houses, wells, forest glades and edges, roadsides were literally littered with mines. Here and there bicycles, suitcases, phonographs, watches, wallets, cigarette cases were thrown about in a hurry. It was enough to move them, as the explosion was heard, ”they describe their impressions. The actions of Finnish saboteurs were so successful and revealing that many of their techniques were quickly adopted by the Soviet military and special services. We can say that the guerrilla and sabotage war that unfolded after a year and a half in the occupied territory of the USSR, to a large extent, was conducted according to the Finnish model.

Baptism of heavy KV tanks


One-tower heavy tanks of the new generation appeared shortly before the beginning of the Winter War. The first copy, which was actually a reduced version of the SMK heavy tank - "Sergey Mironovich Kirov" - and differed from it by the presence of only one tower, was made in August 1939 of the year. It was this tank that got to the Winter War to be tested in a real battle, which 17 of December went to during the breakthrough of the Hottinen fortified line of the Mannerheim Line. It is noteworthy that of the six crew members of the first KV, three were testers of the Kirov factory, which was engaged in the release of new tanks. The tests were considered successful, the tank showed itself from the best side, but the 76-millimeter cannon, which he was armed with, turned out to be not enough to fight the pillboxes. As a result, the KV-2 tank, which was armed with an 152-millimeter howitzer, which no longer had time to take part in the Winter War, but was forever in the history of world tank design, was hastily developed.

How England and France prepared to fight the USSR

London and Paris supported Helsinki from the very beginning, although they did not go further than military-technical assistance. In total, England and France, along with other countries, handed over 350 combat aircraft to Finland, approximately 500 field guns, over 150 thousands of firearms weapons, ammunition and other ammunition. In addition, volunteers from Hungary, Italy, Norway, Poland, France and Sweden fought on the Finnish side. When at the end of February the Red Army finally broke the resistance of the Finnish army and began to develop an offensive inland, Paris began to openly prepare for direct participation in the war. 2 March France announced its readiness to send an expedition corps to Finland as part of 50, thousands of soldiers and 100 bombers. After that, the readiness to transfer to the Finns its expeditionary corps of 50 bombers was announced by Britain. A meeting on this issue was scheduled for March 12 - and did not take place, because on the same day Moscow and Helsinki signed a peace treaty.

No escape from the "cuckoo"?


The winter war was the first campaign in which snipers participated en masse. And, one can say, only on the one hand - Finnish. It was the Finns of 1939 – 1940 in winter who demonstrated how effective sniper actions could be in a modern war. The exact number of snipers remains unknown to this day: as a separate military specialty, they will begin to be identified only after the start of the Great Patriotic War, and even then not in all armies. However, it can be said with confidence that the score by accurate marksmen from the Finnish side went hundreds. True, not all of them used special rifles with a sniper scope. So, the most productive sniper of the Finnish army - Corporal Simo Häuh, who in just three months of hostilities brought the number of victims to five hundred, used a conventional rifle with an open sight. As for the "cuckoos" - snipers shooting from crowns of trees about which an incredible amount of myths are walking, their existence is not confirmed by the documents of either the Finnish or the Soviet side. Although stories about "cuckoos" tied or chained to trees and freezing there with rifles in their hands, there were many in the Red Army.


Simo Hyahuya. Photo: russian7.ru

How submachine guns returned to the Red Army

The first Soviet submachine guns of the Degtyarev system - RPD - were put into service in the 1934 year. However, they did not have time to develop their production seriously. On the one hand, for a long time the Red Army command seriously considered such a type of firearm useful only in police operations or as an auxiliary, and on the other, the first Soviet submachine gun was distinguished by design complexity and difficulty of manufacture. As a result, the plan for the production of PPD for 1939 year was withdrawn, and all already released copies were transferred to the warehouses. And only after, during the Winter War, the Red Army collided with the Finnish machine guns "Suomi", which in each Finnish division numbered nearly three hundred, Soviet soldiers quickly began to return such useful melee weapons.

Marshal Mannerheim: who served Russia and fought with her


Successful opposition to the Soviet Union in the Winter War in Finland was considered and considered the merit primarily by the Commander-in-Chief of the Finnish army, Field Marshal Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim. Meanwhile, until October 1917, this outstanding commander wore the rank of lieutenant-general of the Russian Imperial Army and was one of the most visible divisional commanders of the Russian army during the First World War. By this time, Baron Mannerheim, a graduate of the Nikolaev Cavalry School and Officer Cavalry School, had been involved in the Russian-Japanese War and organizing a unique expedition around Asia in 1906 – 1908, which made him a member of the Russian Geographical Society - and one of the most prominent Russians intelligence officers of the early twentieth century. After the October Revolution, Baron Mannerheim, retaining his oath to Emperor Nicholas II, whose portrait, incidentally, hung on the wall of his office all his life, resigned and moved to Finland, in whose history he played such a prominent role. It is noteworthy that Mannerheim retained his political influence after the Winter War, and after Finland emerged from the Second World War, becoming the first president of the country - from 1944 to 1946 a year.

Where came up with the "Molotov cocktail"

The incendiary bottle became one of the symbols of the heroic resistance of the Soviet people to the fascist armies at the first stage of the Great Patriotic War. But it must be admitted that such a simple and effective anti-tank weapon was not invented in Russia at all. Alas, the Soviet soldiers who had so successfully applied this tool in 1941 – 1942, had a chance to first try it for themselves. The Finnish army, which did not have a sufficient supply of anti-tank grenades, faced with tank companies and battalions of the Red Army, simply had to resort to petrol bombs. During the Winter War, the Finnish army received more than 500 thousands of bottles with a mixture, which the Finns themselves called the Molotov cocktail, hinting that they prepared this dish for one of the leaders of the USSR, in the polemic fuse that promised that the very next day after the start of the war he will be dining in Helsinki.

Who fought against their own


During the Russo-Finnish War of 1939 – 1940, both sides — the Soviet Union and Finland — used divisions in which collaborators served as part of their troops. On the Soviet side, the Finnish People’s Army — the armed forces of the Finnish Democratic Republic — recruited from the Finns and Karelians living in the USSR and serving in the troops of the Leningrad Military District participated in the battles. By February, 1940, its number reached 25 thousands of people, who, according to the plan of the leadership of the USSR, were to replace the occupying troops in Finnish territory. And on the Finnish side, Russian volunteers fought, recruited and trained by the White Immigration organization Russian Common Military Alliance (EMRO), created by Baron Peter Wrangel. In total, six detachments of about 200 people, but only one of them, in which 30 people served, were formed from several Russian emigrants and some of the prisoners of Red Army soldiers who expressed a desire to fight against former comrades. War participated in the fighting.
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  1. Igor39 7 November 2015 07: 41 New
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    By the way, in the Finnish, the first time the Fedorov assault rifle was used, by assault groups, due to the short range of the submachine guns.
    1. Walking 7 November 2015 07: 56 New
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      For the first time, Fedorov’s assault rifle was used in World War I in 1916 on the Romanian front.
    2. ALEA IACTA EST 7 November 2015 08: 31 New
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      Fedorov rifle was created during the empire. For some time he even stood in the arsenal of the Red Army.
      During the Finnish War, he was again remembered.
      1. moskowit 7 November 2015 11: 52 New
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        From an article posted on VO 8 December 2012

        "... Soon after the October Revolution (or a government coup), Fedorov was sent to Kovrov to continue work on the production of machine guns. 1918 went for a year. He was elected director at the factory (then this position was elected!) Degtyarev was appointed as the head of the experimental workshop. Already in next year, the machine guns were put into serial production.In 1924, the team began to create a number of machine guns unified with a machine gun - manual, aviation, anti-aircraft, tank. Historians and sources are silent about Fedorov’s participation in civilian I found the only mention of the parts where this weapon was used (paradox!) by M. Bulgakov. In the novel “Fatal Eggs”, the OGPU operative Polaitis had an “ordinary 25-charge machine gun” - the term “machine gun” from academic circles The type of ammunition use is either a cartridge of an Arisak rifle or an author’s ammunition, however, until the beginning of the 30's, light machine guns in many countries were in service. Two Fedorov tank machine guns were installed in the tower of the MS-1 tank, "
    3. Bagno new 7 November 2015 09: 53 New
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      yes it was used .. read about the engineering special forces .. they used it ... but it really was nonsense ... our idiots used the soldiers to destroy the bunkers ... utter nonsense ... they didn’t destroy the bunkers with guns but put people in a normal position ... well, only the Red-bellied could think of it before that .. everything is as usual however ...
      1. saigon 7 November 2015 10: 57 New
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        The bunkers were crushed by artillery. The pillboxes of the Leburge system had no embrasures for conducting frontal fire, and after suppressing the infantry cover with art fire, they simply undermined them. Open any book about it and read.
      2. Stas57 7 November 2015 11: 16 New
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        Quote: BagnoNew
        our idiots used the soldiers to destroy the bunkers ... utter nonsense ... they didn’t smash the bunkers with guns and put them down normally ... well, only the Red-bellied could have thought of it before ... everything was as usual ...

        Yes you are Ekspert! The cursed scoop killed people, the first to invent KV2
        but nothing that the assault groups were used in the First World War, and very actively.
        The Germans also used assault groups in France, WWII, against the Stalin line.
        We used the assault groups in König and Poznan.

        The Americans generally drove a bulldozer to DotA and bombarded it together with the defenders or flew up to Willis and tightly welded the door.
        But nothing that the “damned scoop was ruining people” was the first to invent KV2 for this?

        Eksperty they are
        1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 13: 08 New
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          you read the memories .. they used it not during the assault, but during the lull .. just stupidly crawled at night and threw grenades and bottles of napalm .. it's just a wild game ...
          1. avt
            avt 7 November 2015 14: 08 New
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            Quote: BagnoNew
            , and during the lull .. just stupidly crawled at night and threw grenades and bottles of napalm .. it's just a wild ...

            laughing Another ,, D..B ... "according to the wording of Lavrov, who outplayed shooting at night and went through ,, battles," more than one level became an expert. Well, what's the point of explaining this to something? Yong was already in trouble, everything went.
            Quote: Stas57
            but nothing that the assault groups were used in the First World War, and very actively.

            “Do not mark the beads in front of the pigs”, tell us something good how the Germans burned our engineering teams out of the bunkers, and when you find out that highly mobile German units took away horses and carts from our population in quantities of one hundred thousand for infantry, well, actually for this he’ll leave the coils altogether. Leave him in his own Svidomo, he was born with sacred knowledge and no new facts to knowing the World are a treb pit. ,, To teach fools is only to spoil "
            1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 14: 31 New
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              EPT .. yeah, I’ll be smarter than you .. you’re so greyhound here .. probably the local authority here ... hide in your hole and don’t shine .. adulter ... you first raise your general educational level of the small fry and then say with people...
              1. Senior manager 7 November 2015 15: 02 New
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                However, the comrade’s mind has a chamber, and most importantly, he declares this himself. Hold on cotton!
                1. Dam
                  Dam 8 November 2015 00: 13 New
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                  The word bug, taken in nickname means in Polish:. This is a troll.
              2. avt
                avt 7 November 2015 15: 54 New
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                Quote: BagnoNew
                EPT .. yes, more precisely, I’ll be smarter than you .. why are you so greyhound ..
                laughing Yeah, it’s direct, “associate professor” - “You ... you are good ...” Well, spit saliva on the screen, since there is nothing to say on the case, well, except for the “scoop”.
                Quote: BagnoNew
                then talk to people ...

                Why then Luda? Well, I persuaded. laughing
              3. V.ic 7 November 2015 17: 13 New
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                Quote: BagnoNew
                More precisely, I’ll be smarter than you.

                The chairman of the attestation commission means ... (and may be the “reviewer” from the “Censor”?).
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                why are you so greyhound.

                ... yes ... and "poked" at it awesome ...
                Quote: BagnoNew
                probably the local authority here ...

                ..avt = I know, Lyokha = I know, Mikhan = I know, Zyablintsev = I know, Sibiralt = I know ... BagnoNew ... I don’t know, I probably wandered from the “Censor”. Well, tako yrapom yomu in renti (yellow-blackboard) and three feathers (to a famous place).
                1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 17: 38 New
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                  I’m not a censor !!! I've always been here for 4 years fighting for the truth ... only everyone here grazing pseudo-cheers-patriots can never understand this because they are stupid and meager a priori ... they were like the Red-bellied people in the 41st .. we know what led. .. and right now the same turbidity is happening ... really and honestly you have to look at things comrades !!!!
                  1. Alex 7 November 2015 18: 14 New
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                    Quote: BagnoNew
                    I've always been here for 4 years fighting for the truth

                    Now I’ll cry. Maybe a little rest, huh? And it’s not so long to tear ...
                  2. goncharov.62 7 November 2015 18: 24 New
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                    I’m not your friend!
                  3. V.ic 7 November 2015 19: 56 New
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                    Quote: BagnoNew
                    I've always been here for 4 years fighting for the truth ...

                    "divisions of couch fighters fight for happiness at the State Department"
                    Quote: BagnoNew
                    were the Red-bellied ones in the 41st ..

                    Ja. ja. Rus, Stalin’s kaput, Komisar and Yude will be shot, surrender captive! German armies taken by Moskau ...
              4. goncharov.62 7 November 2015 18: 22 New
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                Hamit is not necessary on this site, dear! here people communicate. And if you are from this flock of the country 404, it’s better to go there too, ilm listen silently (silently).
              5. Molot1979 6 August 2017 15: 18 New
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                No, brother. Not smarter. They wrote everything right about you. And now at least a cry from resentment.
            2. Alekseev 8 November 2015 09: 48 New
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              Quote: avt
              ,, Do not mark the beads in front of the pigs "

              That's right!
              The arrogant chopper type Bangui is visible from afar. He knows how to destroy pillboxes. Sam took them to the sword! laughing
              But a reasonable answer, of course, is needed. cultural and calm, so that it becomes clear to everyone who they are dealing with. Like that of an Indian leader: they say you're wrong, bullish horseradish, do not mislead people. yes
          2. Irkutian 7 November 2015 15: 52 New
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            Dear, it was the assault groups, German, and then Soviet, that were the most effective tool for breaking through the enemy’s defense.
            1. saigon 7 November 2015 16: 06 New
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              All the same, howitzers were effective, tanks and other goodies. cleared the way for the infantry.
            2. Bagno new 7 November 2015 17: 40 New
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              I don’t argue .. I wrote about the fact that ours were out of stupidity or I don’t know why, during the lull, Finnish bunkers were exterminated by sending engineer special forces ... they suffered losses .. nonsense in short .. then they didn’t storm Nichrome ... where is the aircraft? where are the gabs? where are the tanks?
              1. not main 7 November 2015 19: 29 New
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                Quote: BagnoNew
                exterminated Finnish bunkers

                Do you even understand the difference between bunkers and bunkers?
        2. moskovitt 8 November 2015 10: 46 New
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          Take a look at the loss ratio and it will become clear who the Gogo ruined in that war. But the true Stalinist kvass imperial will not notice this))
      3. Turkir 7 November 2015 14: 41 New
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        Well, if you were there, everything would be different.
  2. DanSabaka 7 November 2015 07: 48 New
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    Despite the very unsuccessful start of hostilities, the Soviet leadership and the command of the Red Army by February managed to completely turn the tide ... In just 2 (two) months, changes were made in the form, equipment, weapons and tactics of the troops .... It was reworked and logistics supply troops for action in winter conditions ....
    Fascist Germany did not succeed either by the 42nd year, or by the 43rd year, and even in the winter of the 44th-45th years. German troops suffered from the cold ....
  3. DanSabaka 7 November 2015 07: 54 New
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    And also, the Finnish army taught us (and the whole world) how to collect and use trophies .... Several squadrons (fighter, bombing, reconnaissance and training), armored and artillery units were equipped with restored Soviet equipment recovered from their swamps and forests ....
    1. igordok 7 November 2015 10: 09 New
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      Finns were cheaper to restore trophies than to create their own production of tanks and aircraft. It was cheaper for us and the Germans to use their equipment than to exploit trophies. As a rule, they were used before the first breakdown, as Do not get spare parts.
      Serial use of captured equipment: we have SU-76I (maybe even), the Germans have French and Czech armored vehicles as anti-tank self-propelled guns (Mardera).
      1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 10: 56 New
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        Quote: igordok
        Serial use of captured equipment: we have SU-76I (maybe more)

        laughing laughing laughing
        [media = http: //www.vetrabotnik.narod.ru/Texts/TWW/USSR/Panzer/T009.htm]
      2. Alex 7 November 2015 18: 19 New
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        Quote: igordok
        Germans have French and Czech armored vehicles as anti-tank self-propelled guns (Marders).

        Not quite so: Czechoslovakia after the 1938 year became an ally (Slovakia) and part of the Reich (Czech Republic and Bohemia). Czech tanks and chassis were found to be suitable for the Panzervaffe and out of production was continued according to German specifications. So to say that they were trophy is not entirely correct. And to conceal the role of the Czechs in their participation in German aggression is also not worth it.
  4. midshipman 7 November 2015 08: 16 New
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    The country's leadership could not foresee all the consequences of Mannerheim's insidious policy. He wanted to enter Leningrad already during the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. He cut off our city from the mainland, leaving in 1941 to the Svir River and captured the railway to Murmansk. He even planned to capture Arkhangelsk. He had to be tried in 1945 as a war criminal. Stalin regretted it, I.V. Stalin in 1918 on behalf of the Government of Russia gave Finland the status of its own statehood.
    True, the Finns thought better of it by December 1941. After the platinum explosion on the White Sea-Baltic Canal, when two Finnish tank battalions (two thousand men) were washed away into Lake Onega in an instant, the Karelian front froze. And stood at these positions until 1944. I have the honor.
    1. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 10: 12 New
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      "It was he who cut off our city from the mainland, going to the Svir River in 1941 and seized the railway to Murmansk," an interesting statement. It is generally accepted that the city of Leningrad was cut off from the mainland by German troops capturing August 30, 1941 Mga station, cutting the last railway that connected Leningrad with the rest of the country, and on September 8, 1941, German troops captured Shlisselburg, thereby completely blocking the city from land. September 8, 1941 is considered to be the beginning of the blockade .Leningrad, and not the Finnish troops entering the border of the Svir River or the old Soviet-Finnish border. The fact that Mannerheim was to be judged as a war criminal completely agrees with you. Mannerheim is guilty not only as one of the organizers of the blockade of Leningrad, but also as the organizer and leader of the occupation regime in the territory of Karelia. By direct order of Mannerheim in the territory of Soviet Karelia, 28 concentration camps and prisons were organized in which approx. 18 thousand civilians, mostly Russians by nationality. During the Soviet-Finnish War of 1939-1940 Finnish Armed Forces killed our captured Red Army soldiers and commanders and the composition of the encircled Red Army units, including the wounded. It was proved by the Finnish historians that Mannerheim knew about these facts, but there were no measures to influence the Finnish military personnel who were guilty of these crimes It wasn’t accepted. However, after the Second World War, the Finnish government refused to extradite its citizens for crimes in the occupied territory of Soviet Karelia. But now in St. Petersburg there’s a bust of Mannerheim. Have you spied on L. Mehlis?
      1. midshipman 7 November 2015 14: 08 New
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        Dear Igor, I had to work for a long time in the North of our country after graduating from college. I wrote a story about this feat, "Order-stop the enemy by platinum explosion." There I indicated specific names and titles of participants in these events. And in the novel "Ice Wall", he also gave details of these events.
        I was personally acquainted with Twice Hero of the Soviet Union A.O. Shabalin wrote the story "Mosquitoes" about him. It was published in the journal "Youth". This is also about the North.
        You correctly noticed about the nodal Finnish camps. I can add that four contained Russian children.
        Actually, I do not take materials from anyone. Participated in three "hot spots", awarded many government awards, Laureate of State Prizes. I have more than 300 scientific works and more than 30 works of art. I have the honor.
        1. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 16: 22 New
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          Dear Yuri Grigorievich, on December 7, 1941, Soviet sappers blew up the locks of the Povenetz stairs / Povenetz district, Karelia / than stopped all the Finns' attempts to force the White Sea-Baltic Canal, if you are talking about this episode of the Second World War. 1 / one / separate tank battalion, with which it operated only with the forces of the 1st tank company of the battalion, while the engines of several tanks did not start up as a result of severe frosts, the air temperature reached -37. As a result of the bombing of the Povetskaya stairs, our sappers did not have a single Finnish tank I wasn’t "washed away" anywhere, not to mention the whole tank battalions. Sorry, I don’t understand what your personal achievements, achievements and one of the episodes of our military history we are discussing ?!
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          I have more than 300 scientific works and more than 30 works of art.

          "platina" (in the sense of an engineering structure) is written like this: "platina" The second time you are already repeating the same mistake. If you have such scientific works .....
      2. varangian 7 November 2015 15: 08 New
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        It is also known for certain that he sabotaged more than half of the German orders to storm and attack Leningrad and, in fact, didn’t go further than the lands reclaimed (which they lost in 39-40), while maintaining a general appearance of activity
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          It is also known for certain that he sabotaged more than half of the German orders to storm and attack Leningrad

          He sabotaged for a very simple reason.
          Karelian Fortress The district began to be created in 1928 and defended Leningrad along the Karelian Isthmus. KaUR was one of the Strongholds of the Stalin Line - a grandiose fortification that stretched along the USSR border from the Barents to the Black Sea.
          During the Great Patriotic War, the Karelian Fortress District fully lived up to its mission. The Finns' attempts to break through to the Leningrad through the Karelian Isthmus were unsuccessful.

          How could Finnish troops break through KarUR? There is no siege and heavy artillery, there are enough normal load-carrying bombers (117 Blenheim from 39 to 44 years with a bomb load of 454 kg is not serious), there aren’t any large number of tanks, but heavy ones in general. Yes, and the RKKF with large guns did not really allow moving. By the way, the Germans also could not boast of breaking through the URs, they closed the ring, but could not break through.
          How to break through such a defense? This is where the legends about the good and fair Mannerheim came from.
          1. varangian 8 November 2015 13: 12 New
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            Nobody calls him good, the personality is multifaceted and controversial, but in history it is always like that.
            It brought both benefit and harm to our homeland, but to deny that a man was literate and smart is at least stupid, as well as stupid to make a devil with horns from him
    2. Hlyneope 7 November 2015 11: 53 New
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      How bad is this your Mannerheim, however. As I understand it, you don’t take into account the fact that the Soviet Union bit off part of its territories from Finland? Mannerheim’s actions were quite reasonable and logical.
      1. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 16: 36 New
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        The creation by the Finnish occupation authorities, by direct order of Mannerheim, of concentration camps for Soviet citizens, you call - "... actions ... justified and logical"?! Territories that were withdrawn to the USSR as a result of the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940 for the most part, they are considered to be originally Russian and Karelian, partly they can be called controversial. Finland received these territories as a result of the collapse of the Russian Empire, that is, not entirely lawfully and fairly.
        1. Hlyneope 7 November 2015 22: 26 New
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          "Not entirely legal and fair." Hmm. As if the Russian Empire received all its territories "lawfully and fairly." Finland saw the opportunity, Finland took the opportunity. Everything is lawful and fair. This is politics after all. And as for the concentration camps, I can say that this is justified and logical! You can blame me for Nazism, but the local population could cause problems to the Finnish army (Belarusian partisans, as an example), so its transfer to the camps is quite rational, albeit cruel (Cruelty? In the war? This is a turn!).
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        Quote: Hlyneope
        As I understand it, you don’t take into account the fact that the Soviet Union bit off part of its territories from Finland?

        What kind of Finnish part of the territory are you talking about, if you recall the fact that until 1918 Finland as a state did not exist at all?
        One German general called Finland “Test-tube State”, and General Denikin said in the winter of 1939 — I feel sorry for the Finns, but I am for the Vyborg province.
        1. Hlyneope 7 November 2015 22: 19 New
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          Russia, too, until the 15th century as a state did not exist. So what? The fact that the Finns gained independence in 1918 deprives them of the right to have their own land and the right to fight for it? Why don't you love poor Finland so much? Finland existed as a state. It was recognized by the USSR, Great Britain, Germany, and many others. Accordingly, Finland had a territory that "originally Slavic / Russian / Soviet / * insert to taste * has never been and never will be, and for which Finland has the right to fight.
      3. Molot1979 6 October 2016 10: 16 New
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        Accept, Accept. But do you take into account the fact that before the revolution Finland was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, albeit a very peculiar one? The actions of the Soviet leadership were quite reasonable and logical, given that these northern dates dates seriously dreamed of stretching their Phenicia right up to the Urals.
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    4. varangian 7 November 2015 15: 08 New
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      It is also known for certain that he sabotaged more than half of the German orders to storm and attack Leningrad and, in fact, didn’t go further than the lands reclaimed (which they lost in 39-40), while maintaining a general appearance of activity
      1. saigon 7 November 2015 16: 10 New
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        During the assault on Soviet URs, the Finns suffered heavy losses by their standards and the desire to storm evaporated. So without even howitzers beat even the Finnish head against concrete structures without promising.
      2. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 17: 12 New
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        But the occupation of Soviet Karelia, the exit of Finnish troops to the border of the Svir River, where it was supposed that the Finnish command would join the German forces and thereby take Leningrad, so to speak, in the second ring of the encirclement-blockade, did it “sabotage” and “conquer the land”? ! This myth-Mannerheim sabotaged the assault on Leningrad from the north, the Finnish troops "recaptured only their territory" invented by the Finns themselves in the 60s of the 20th century, in order to justify the participation of their country in the 2nd World War on the side of Nazi Germany and to whitewash his "great" Mannerheim. Unfortunately in modern Russia, this version of those events is widespread.
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          Quote: Kilo-11
          Finnish troops "conquered only their territory" were invented by the Finns themselves in the 60 of the 20 century, in order to justify the participation of their country in the 2 of the World War on the side of Nazi Germany and to whitewash their "great" Mannerheim. Unfortunately, in modern Russia this version those events became widespread.

          Well, at that time the leadership of the CPSU tried to make friends with the Finns, even they shot films. True, friendship, as always, did not work, but the Finns enjoyed the fruits of a one-sided political game with pleasure.
  5. QWERTY 7 November 2015 08: 18 New
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    Given the size of Zelenogorsk (Teriyoki), the capital of the Finnish People’s Republic was painfully small, but thanks for the information, I worked in Zelenogorsk for 4 years and did not know these facts.
  6. Aleksandr72 7 November 2015 08: 19 New
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    Little-known details of the military campaign, which eclipsed the Great Patriotic War
    - everything that is described in the article clearly does not fall under such a definition, because known for a long time. They began to write about all this in our press even before the collapse of the USSR, by the way accusing the Soviet side of all sins, sticking out only our losses and not saying anything about the Finnish ones. The Soviet Union was consistently identified as aggressor, and Finland, respectively, a victim, white and fluffy, small, weak and innocent. It was somehow losing sight of the fact that immediately after gaining independence Finland waged two wars against the young Soviet state, pursuing a policy of genocide against all Russians by nationality, regardless of their political beliefs. Surprisingly, the article does not say a word about the boilers in which two divisions of the Red Army died, about the actions of Finnish aces, such as Yutilyaynen and others, who destroyed according to their reports almost all the opposing aircraft of the Soviets. For some reason, the article does not contain photographs of our frozen Red Army men in budenovki, whom the Finns exhibited for the sake of parapet of their trenches and against which they were photographed before the German Nazi occupation in our country fell in love with it. By the way, the Germans also actively supplied the Finns - not a word about this in the article.
    I have the honor.
    1. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 09: 20 New
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      During the Soviet-Finnish war, 5 rifle divisions / 18th, 44,54,163,168 / and one tank brigade / 34th / Red Army were completely encircled. The 18th Battalion of the Division / 44,163 rifle divisions were completely destroyed and the 34th tank brigade, not a large number of servicemen of these formations managed to break out of the encirclement. The 54th and 168th infantry divisions were surrounded until the end of the hostilities, having suffered heavy losses. This was a shame for the Red Army, it was even more shameful, that the command of the 8th, 9,15th army was unable to organize and carry out the deblockade of the encircled formations, the supply of the encircled was also organized completely ugly.
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        During the Second World War in 1941. in the Northwest there were no large environments. Despite the less fierce fighting, in comparison with other fronts, this is due to the fact that officers who went through the Finnish War 39-40 were serving in this sector. and received much-needed experience.
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          Quote: igordok
          so that the officers who went through the Finnish War of 39-40g served on this site. and received much-needed experience.


          The commander of the Southwestern Front, Kirponos, also gained relevant experience during the Finnish War, commanding a rifle division. However, despite this, the front under his command nevertheless suffered a disaster in the so-called Kiev boiler in September 1941 .. (and the fault in this is not only the Bet as it is commonly believed) ...
          WWII and Finnish - different wars, different theater and scale and, accordingly, different ways and nature of warfare ...
          The main lesson of the Finnish war was that after the "first red officer" Voroshilov with zero military education was removed from the post of people's commissar of defense with a zero military education, the long-overdue large-scale reforms finally began, which, unfortunately, were not completed by the beginning of the Second World War .
          The scale and nature of the problems that have accumulated in the Red Army is best indicated by the "Act on the Acceptance of the People’s Commissariat of Defense", signed by Tymoshenko after being appointed to the post and materials of the Meetings following the Finnish War ...
          These materials are now in the public domain and there is nothing to add or reduce - after reading them it is clear that the results of the war simply could not be different ...
          As it was said by one of the commanders of the Red Army: "It did not work to throw hats .."
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            On the scale and nature of the problems that have accumulated in the Red Army is best said "Act on the acceptance of the People's Commissariat of Defense"

            I read, well, if briefly and in Russian then a complete pi ....
        3. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 16: 53 New
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          The largest encirclement in 1941 in the North-West of the troops of the Leningrad Front and the forces of the Baltic Fleet-blockade of Leningrad. During the battles in July-August 1941 on the Karelian Isthmus, as well as in the area of ​​Sortavala, the Finnish troops managed squeeze to Lake Ladoga, practically surround, two Soviet divisions, the 142nd SD and 198th MRF, which were evacuated with great losses by the ships of the Ladoga Flotilla. In August 1941, three Soviet divisions were surrounded by the Finns south-east of Vyborg 43rd, 115,123th military unit, while the personnel of the 43rd anti-aircraft division was almost completely destroyed or captured by the division commander. The military personnel of the 115th and 123rd anti-aircraft division managed to break out of the encirclement with heavy losses, but lost all heavy weapons and equipment. So in 1941 there was enough of the same encirclement in the Northwest.
      2. figter 7 November 2015 11: 26 New
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        The initial military operations during the fall - early winter of the 1939 year are characterized by the fact that they were launched by units that have no combat experience and are equipped with recently mobilized resources. The command of such formations was poorly prepared in tactical terms; there were some hat-inspiring ideas. Thus, reinforced by two tank battalions (heavy T-35 and light T-26), the 138 rifle division without proper reconnaissance, GPP, forward detachment, one large column (simply a crowd), advancing from the Bobochino area (modern Kamenka), "pursued" the retreating from the support band of Finnish units in the direction of Sum (modern Zvezdochka) along the Bobochino-Vyborg highway. The command reports on the retreating Finns were peppy. And it must happen that all !!! the division was blocked on this highway immediately in front of the Finnish main line of defense (the fortified battalion defense area of ​​Summakul - modern military unit Zvezdochka). Instead of an organized reflection of the attack, the infantry simply threw rifles, scattered through the woods and abandoned tanks without cover. The division was directly deployed to the wartime states from the workers of Leningrad. All armored vehicles were lost, huge losses in the personnel of the division. A mass grave (or rather two) now stands on this place - on one side of the road those who died in 1939, on the other who during the Great Patriotic War. The division was taken to the reserve, replaced, if I am not mistaken, with the 90 SD, the command was arrested. But for some reason they were not shot, unlike the commanders of other divisions, then they fought in the Second World War.
        By the way, the pillbox in the photo above is not a pillbox, but the command post of the Summakul battalion. Despite the repeated attempts by the 90 SD and the enormous losses in personnel and military equipment, the SC was not able to break through this fortified area. The breakthrough was made in February 11 1940 year 2,5-3 km. to the right (the battalion defense area of ​​the Finns - Summayarve) 123 infantry division.
        1. Kilo-11 7 November 2015 18: 58 New
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          For figter. You have an interesting interpretation of the combat operations of the 138th Infantry Division in the Soviet-Finnish War 1939-1940. To start, until 11 December 1939, the 138 I was operating in the direction of Karhula-Mariapellonmyaki and not a "crowd", as you write, and conducting, as they say, battles of local significance. On December 11 of the 1939 of the year, the division was transferred to the direction of Summa village for the assault and breakthrough of the most powerful fortified area of ​​the Mannerheim line. How the division prepared to storm the Finnish fortified area in the area of ​​the village of Summa from the combat order No.10 on the 138-th SD from 16.12.39. In January 1940, units of the 138 SD without successfully tried to break through Finnish defensive positions. In January 1940, the 138 SD was transferred to the western part of the Karelian Isthmus, where it successfully operated until the end of the war. According to the results of the Soviet-Finnish war, 138 I sd was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of War. During the Second World War, the 138 I sd became the 70th Guards SD, the most titled formation of the USSR Armed Forces-six orders on the Banner of the Division. So please do not think of a "crowd", a "blockade of the division" etc. By the way, 138-I SD was formed in Tver / Kalinin / blasti.90-I sd operated throughout the Soviet-Finnish war along the Leningrad-Vyborg railway.138-sd in the direction of the main strike was replaced by the 100-sd about mass graves. Both mass graves of Soviet soldiers in the area of ​​the village of Summa appeared after of the Soviet-Finnish War 1939-1940, in the left / towards the village of Summa / tankers are buried, in the right arrows of the 100, 123,138 SD, possibly military personnel of other parts of the Red Army, including those who died during the Second World War .And yet, on the site of the modern military town of Kamenka, before 1939 there was a large settlement-settlement to Kaukjärvi, the village of Bobochino-Russian holiday village, which was part of the Kaukyarvi settlement.
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            Go to the REIBERT website,
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              I didn’t finish it a bit, go to the Ukrainian REIBERT website, there is an album of photos on the Soviet-Finnish war, very informative and informative!
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            Kilo-11 (1) RU Today, 18: 58 ↑
            For figter. You have an interesting interpretation of the combat operations of the 138th Infantry Division in the Soviet-Finnish War 1939-1940. To start, until 11 December 1939, the 138 I was operating in the direction of Karhula-Mariapellonmyaki and not a "crowd", as you write, and conducting, as they say, battles of local significance. On December 11 of the 1939 of the year, the division was transferred to the direction of Summa village for the assault and breakthrough of the most powerful fortified area of ​​the Mannerheim line. How the division prepared to storm the Finnish fortified area in the area of ​​the village of Summa from the combat order No.10 on the 138-th SD from 16.12.39. In January 1940, units of the 138 SD without successfully tried to break through Finnish defensive positions. In January 1940, the 138 SD was transferred to the western part of the Karelian Isthmus, where it successfully operated until the end of the war. According to the results of the Soviet-Finnish war, 138 I sd was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of War. During the Second World War, the 138 I sd became the 70th Guards SD, the most titled formation of the USSR Armed Forces-six orders on the Banner of the Division. So please do not think of a "crowd", a "blockade of the division" etc. By the way, 138-I SD was formed in Tver / Kalinin / blasti.90-I sd operated throughout the Soviet-Finnish war along the Leningrad-Vyborg railway.138-sd in the direction of the main strike was replaced by the 100-sd about mass graves. Both mass graves of Soviet soldiers in the area of ​​the village of Summa appeared after of the Soviet-Finnish War 1939-1940, in the left / towards the village of Summa / tankers are buried, in the right arrows of the 100, 123,138 SD, possibly military personnel of other parts of the Red Army, including those who died during the Second World War .And yet, on the site of the modern military town of Kamenka, before 1939 there was a large settlement-settlement to Kaukjärvi, the village of Bobochino-Russian holiday village, which was part of the Kaukyarvi settlement.

            An interesting justification for the incompetent actions of the command of the 138 rifle division in your country was "unsuccessfully fought battles of local significance." Of course, how the division was preparing for the assault can be found out from the order of the division commander, only it acted in a completely different way, as I described. Didn’t the chief of staff of this division report to the 50 SK commander that there were no fortified areas ahead, and the Finns were randomly fleeing? Is it not on the basis of this report that this and the neighboring division were deprived of the help of artillery. Wasn't this division squeezed and cut off from the tanks that it abandoned? And I’m not making anything up. It is possible that I did not quite accurately state the course of action, but I did not at all distort the general meaning of what happened. Yes, it was replaced by 100 sd, I made a mistake in the numbering. However, I stipulated the possibility of error initially. However, do not confuse the concept of "formed" and "staffed." According to the chronology of events, I advise you to study the documents relating to the combat operations of the 20 TTR, the heavy tank battalion of which then supported the operations of this division. So they don’t have that rosy feeling in the documents that you feel like this, having studied the interpretation of events apparently from the historical form 138 sd.
            About mass graves. Personally, there have been several times and it is not for you to tell me which side of which of the graves. Naturally, the graves in the form in which they are now appeared after the war. But you are missing the moment why tankers were buried there, including the soldiers of the 138 SD, which was soon replaced by another division.
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      By the way, the Germans also actively supplied the Finns - not a word about this in the article.

      Also drew attention to this.
      I know about the Finnish campaign from the words of my father. He went through it all, with two wounds.
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        I will tell you a secret in the Finnish war, the Germans were on the side of the USSR, there were no deliveries of weapons and equipment!
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      It was somehow losing sight of the fact that immediately after gaining independence Finland waged two wars against the young Soviet state, pursuing a policy of genocide against all Russians by nationality, regardless of their political beliefs.

      Add to your words -
      1. The independence of Finland, which received from the hands of Lenin.
      2. The Soviet government asked to move the border in the area of ​​Sestroretsk and in return gave a large territory in Karelia.
      Something has appeared a lot of Mannerheim’s defenders, knowing the history only from the yellow magazines. It turns out Mannerheim and Hitler sabotaged the orders, this Russian officer. It remains only for him to erect a monument in Moscow and give the Hero of Russia, posthumously.
      And here, that this Mannerheim calculated the defeat of Germany and realized that he would be kaput, that is, he simply got scared, about this "connoisseurs of history" not half a word.
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    it was the only war initiated by Moscow.

    I do not agree with this postulate and that’s it!
    The initiative to split the Republic of Ingushetia in 1917 in this place belonged to the British, with the goal of keeping the then capital under a simple artillery sight. The fact that Moscow was not the initiator of preparations for the 2nd World War, I do not agree, I think only a writer under the nickname "Suvorov" and very few others. Stalin himself undertook to persuade the Finns about the mutual transfer of the border, and this indicates the high importance of this problem for the country of the Soviets. I do not consider all these nuances of this issue, I consider unacceptable.
  8. ALEA IACTA EST 7 November 2015 08: 28 New
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    This war saved Russia.
    Thanks to the author for the article.
  9. Support 7 November 2015 08: 54 New
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    Damn, I don’t understand what is wrong with a preventive strike against an enemy who will attack you sooner or later. And it’s right to say that it was not the USSR that was preparing the Second World War, but the USSR was about to crush Hitler. Or do many condemn this? Then they are supporters of Hitlerism. As a result, we had to once again revoke the smelly (from fear) then Europe. And the Winter War is our school, or rather, an exam with laboratory work after Hassan and Khalkhin Gola (Well, also Spain). And she helped us a lot ...... how that doesn't sound very good. But our famous comedian Nikulin participated in this war.
    1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 09: 55 New
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      Damn, I don’t understand what’s wrong with a preventive strike against an enemy who will attack you sooner or later

      Well then, Hitler is just a genius and the right kid ...
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        no, not right. Hitler did not make claims, did not conduct negotiations, and the USSR did not conduct general mobilization, unlike Finland
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        then Hitler is just a genius and the right kid.

        Ja, Ja ... genius (for fertilizers) and the right patsak. Only the "tsaki" the Amero-Aglitz owners forbade him to wear ...
    2. Galich Kos 7 November 2015 10: 29 New
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      And the Winter War is our school, or rather, an exam ///

      For which the USSR did not get sickly misfortune!
      1. Bashibuzuk 7 November 2015 11: 53 New
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        FOR A NEW Bug ...
        Hitler would have been the right kid and just a genius - if he had completed his preemptive strike.
        And if he didn’t finish it, then who is he after that?
        Suicide, simple. In other words - crazy.
        .
        Psychiatrists are correctly interested in suicides - as mentally ill people.
        In all religions, worlds are suicidal outcasts.
        Crazy, they are ... with cockroaches in their heads. With bugs ... whether new, old.
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        So no he is not a kid, all the more correct.
        He is crazy with a cockroach in a perforated head.
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          FOR A NEW Bug ...

          yo-mayo ... it is so .. but how did you know that? respect !!!!
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        For which the USSR did not get sickly misfortune!

        Why "bad"? They won on points. The goals of the war have been achieved - Enkel’s line (

        The name of Mannerheim, the Finnish commander in chief, and then the President of Finland, the line of fortifications on the Karelian Isthmus received only at the end of 1939. In Finland itself, this defense complex has long been called the “Enkel line” in honor of the chief of the General Staff of the young republic, who paid great attention to the construction of defensive structures on the southern borders of his homeland in the early 20s of the 20th century. The construction of the line began in 1920 and was suspended in 1924 when Enkel resigned from his post.
        broken, the country is virtually defenseless, the border line pushed to a territory much larger than what was proposed before the war, the USSR received a naval base in Aland.
        We also got a wonderful experience of war in winter conditions and not just military operations, but, first of all, of supply in conditions, to put it mildly, not of training grounds.
        Personally, I think this is a military victory.
    3. Basil50 7 November 2015 12: 58 New
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      On preventiveness it is to reason. Finns had previously attacked the SOVIET UNION twice without declaring war, and this began like the previous ones, with shelling of border guards, and there were several such shellings. Negotiations with the Finns have not yet begun, but the Finnish army was already fully mobilized, and began to form auxiliary units, similar to battalions in modern Ukraine. There is no article in the article before the history of the creation of Finland, this is when with the help of the Swedes all Russians who were in that Finland were cut out. Finns who did not grieve with the idea of ​​* great Finland * were also cut out, in the reports about 30000 (thirty thousand) Finns were simultaneously cut out. By the way, in 1941, the Finns also started the war by mining the territorial waters of the SOVIET UNION and shelling the SOVIET border guards. Yes, and Finnish saboteurs roamed across the border constantly, since 1917, were engaged in robberies. Finns brutalized even more than Germans or Romanians. It is a pity that the villains did not shoot, after serving those who continued to multiply, and now their descendants tell tales of * courage * of the ancestors of cattle.
      1. Basil50 7 November 2015 15: 56 New
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        Even more interesting is how the Finns concluded peace treaties. Read, make sure. The bottom line is that a peace treaty required an official declaration of war, and the Finns, before concluding a peace treaty, were forced to declare war or confirm the declaration of war.
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          I would like to draw everyone’s attention to the paradox, FINLAND is the RUSSIAN word. Fin is a resident of the territory designated RUSSIAN name. Ugri appeared near the Baltic Sea only thanks to RUSAM, which did not destroy * repatriates * and allowed to live. Now these * suomi * even in fairy tales do not want to remember either the reasons for the relocation, or their ancestral home. By the way RUSSIANs saved the Finns during the war with the Swedes. Then they created Finnish writing, Finnish * tiligency * and the Finnish administration, and even the Finnish epic * Kalevala * for the Finns created jointly by RUSSIAN and German writers in * SamPeterburg *.
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      So it’s like that, only if you count the number of tanks, planes, submarines by the beginning of the war, then in some places you begin to doubt who is preparing for what, it’s not clear!
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    in general, that war was unfair and invasive from the side of the alliance ... inglorious yet ... why did they immediately forget it? and in general I like how the tattered and clogged Chukhons broke the colossus ... respect to them !!! Think of a country with 3 with a million people who grind such a monster !!! tin !!! and rubbed our tanks? but on airplanes? but in people? complete failure !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      Try to go to Karelia in the winter. Put on an overcoat, take a backpack with a load of 5-6 kg and try to run a kilometer. And imagine that all this time a machine gun will work for you, even one. The tanks then had poor maneuverability, bulletproof armor, so they could not quickly get out of the anti-tank fire sector. In general, then we won, so there’s no need to talk about defeat.
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        Quote: Forest
        Try to go to Karelia in the winter. Put on an overcoat, take a backpack with a load of 5-6 kg and try to run a kilometer. And imagine that all this time a machine gun will work for you, even one. The tanks then had poor maneuverability, bulletproof armor, so they could not quickly get out of the anti-tank fire sector. In general, then we won, so there’s no need to talk about defeat.

        Here already Rezun-Suvorov was mentioned, so he described this situation quite vividly. I don’t know how true it is that he himself conducted this experiment, but it’s clear that the frost in -35-40 is not a joke.
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          I didn’t read Rezun to that point, I didn’t have the guts, but from my own experience I can say that even with a light Saiga in the forest against a wolf or a hare, it’s very inconvenient, where is there about the breakthrough of defense.
    2. saber 7 November 2015 13: 20 New
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      straight broke ??! and the territories were preserved and probably even increased, as planned? Yes Yes! they planned to increase the territory of Finland at the expense of Soviet Karelia. it is precisely in this that the Mannerheim Line looks logical, and not like then with a flank hanging in the air. kind and soft Finland, instead of negotiating, built up an army, carried out general mobilization (quite an excuse for war) and began to relocate civilians from the area of ​​future military operations. By the way, the USSR fought with the forces of one Leningrad military district. In general, according to your logic, Hitler tore the USSR, USA - Vietnam, etc.
      1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 14: 33 New
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        Do you know such an expression of Pyrrhic victory?
        1. saber 7 November 2015 15: 42 New
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          I know. Pierre lost his army and eventually lost. USSR lost several divisions and won the campaign
        2. figter 7 November 2015 15: 49 New
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          BagnoNew BY Today, 14: 33 ↑ New
          Do you know such an expression of Pyrrhic victory?

          We know. But is it really possible to call Pyrrhic victory a seizure over a period of some six months of a territory comparable with the territory of the Republic of Belarus? Yes, your potato army and even now this is beyond the power.
          1. Alex 7 November 2015 18: 37 New
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            Yes, your potato army and even now this is beyond the power.

            Yes, God forbid, at least save the existing one ...
        3. V.ic 7 November 2015 17: 30 New
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          Do you know such an expression of Pyrrhic victory?

          Have you read Plutarch (two volumes), or have you "enlightened" through "Wiki"?
    3. figter 7 November 2015 16: 11 New
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      BagnoNew BY Today, 09: 57
      in general, that war was unfair and invasive from the side of the alliance ... inglorious yet ... why did they immediately forget it? and in general I like how the tattered and clogged Chukhons broke the colossus ... respect to them !!! Think of a country with 3 with a million people who grind such a monster !!! tin !!! and rubbed our tanks? but on airplanes? but in people? complete failure !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      From the earliest times, the Karelian Isthmus was our territory. Even the Russian prince Gasdrubal fought with the Scandinavians (to whom the Finns do not belong in any way) for these lands, where his sons died. These lands belonged to Veliky Novgorod, and then conquered by Sweden. For this land there were fights during the times of Ivan III with the Swedes, when he besieged Vyborg. We still recaptured this land from the Swedes and returned it back to the time of Peter I, when the Russian army, under his leadership and the leadership of A. Menshikov, besieged and captured Vyborg. At the same time, the opinion of some Chukhon tribes accidentally living in this territory was not taken into account by either Russians or Swedes. Such a people as the Finns did not exist at that time. These tribes never took any part in the defense of their lands from the Swedes, but swam like excrement in the ice hole. The Swedes did not even consider representatives of these tribes to be people. And then, unexpectedly, by the decision of a burry idiot, they gained independence and statehood. It was a mistake and this mistake was corrected in 1939.
      1. Bagno new 7 November 2015 17: 35 New
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        with this I completely and completely agree !!! just pissed all the red-bellied ... !!!!!
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        Another Russian prince Hasdrubal

        ? -? -? Russian?
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          Alph (1) SU Yesterday, 20: 52 ↑
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          Another Russian prince Hasdrubal
          ? -? -? Russian?

          Ugh, you ... not Gasdrubal - Gostomysl! Thank you for your comment!
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            Ugh, you ... not Gasdrubal - Gostomysl! Thank you for your comment!

            Phew! And I, by a sinful thing, thought that the Punic wars were on the territory of Russia. laughing
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        Probably, after all, Gostomysl? And then Hasdrubal is a Semitic, Phoenician name, if absolutely for sure, connected with the history of Carthage, but not of Russia at all.
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      and in general I like how the tattered and slaughtered Chukhons broke the colossus ... a country with a 3 million people grind such a monster !!!

      So why in Moscow they don’t speak Finnish if the Russians are broken and torn?
    5. strannik1985 7 November 2015 22: 29 New
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      The Finns called for reservists to teach about 200-240% of the peacetime army (that is, with 22 peacetime troops 40-45-50 thousand reservists), and this without taking into account training as part of the National Guard (111 thousand members for 1939, on average, each “Shyutskorovets” went through 58 hours of military training in addition to the army, 2000 people were scribbled daily at competitions and training camps of Shyutskor). In 1938, SV RKKA-1,324 million people, in order to meet the “poor” Finns, 2,5-3 million reserves should be called up, where did the money come from?
  11. Whowhy 7 November 2015 10: 10 New
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    Bottles with gasoline against the tank were successfully used by both sides in Spain in 1936.
    1. parusnik 7 November 2015 10: 47 New
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      Even the exact date of the appearance of this weapon is known: July 20, 1895, when detachments of Cuban mambi rebels besieged the Spanish garrison in the village of Bayre. The Cubans demanded surrender, threatening to use the "new secret weapon." After the outbreak of World War I, on May 31, 1915, Lieutenant General P.K. Kondzerovsky sent a letter to the head of the GVTU, in which he suggested dropping incendiary shells from airplanes. In June 1915, incendiary shells designed by Warrant Officer B.N. Yuryev were made at the Imperial Moscow Technical School in the form of a glass bottle with a pyrotechnic igniter filled with a mixture of fuel oil, gasoline and kerosene.
      1. Bashibuzuk 7 November 2015 11: 57 New
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        Yes, in general, we are talking only about the name - "Molotov cocktails."
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        Even in the Middle Ages and in antiquity, such “cocktails” were poured onto attackers and fortresses and wall-beaters.
        Yes, not just bottles, but immediately boilers. Resin gurgling.

        Belian's Punch ... no? Doesn't fit? From the film "Kingdom of Heaven".

        So it remains - "Molotov cocktail."
  12. parusnik 7 November 2015 10: 45 New
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    in which the Soviet Union participated in one way or another, it was the only war launched on the initiative of Moscow...Well, he did, he led the USSR negotiations with Finland, on the exchange of territories, and then he took and insidiously attacked ... And somehow he is silent about the fact that England, France, Germany supported the Finns in their perseverance, they say guys. .dare ... and if the USSR attacks, we will support you ... From here the winter war is not spring, not summer ... it’s winter ... Act, you need to quickly and decisively in this situation .. which explains the heavy losses in the first period. ..And during this period there was a "strange" war ..in the West..Anglo-French troops fought against the German, played football, gave each other Christmas presents .. And these same three countries helped Finland .. There is an opinion that Moscow the 1939 treaty on no attack between the USSR and Germany is an alliance treaty, they say Germany and the USSR became allies .. The question is, why did the “allies” in the person of Germany support the Finns and not the USSR .. during the Winter War ..? ... On the silence of the Winter War .. in the Soviet period .. At this time, between Finland and the USSR there were very warm and friendly natural relations, Finland supported the USSR in many matters, collaborated on the basis of special agreements with the CMEA ... therefore, especially both sides tried not to recall the war of 1939-1940 ... and didn’t particularly detail about Finland’s participation in the war on the side of Germany in 1941-1944 against the USSR ...
  13. La-5 7 November 2015 10: 56 New
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    Not only did the Red Army consider the PP as a police weapon, as many armies of the then World believed.
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      Absolutely right. And they began to revise this attitude after the Bolivian-Paraguayan war, when submachine guns showed themselves very well. True, there the battles were literally tight, at a few tens of meters (the jungle, however), where their low firing range did not play a role.
  14. Seneca 7 November 2015 12: 12 New
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    The author also forgot ... maybe he didn’t think it necessary to mention .. That the famous caps with earflaps in our troops appeared during this war. We looked at the Finns for it was their usual winter hat.
    1. Basil50 7 November 2015 13: 08 New
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      * Treuhas * were worn by both Buryats and Bashkirs, earflaps were known as comforters and a warm headdress even before DMITRY DONSKY.
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    3. igordok 7 November 2015 15: 21 New
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      Hats with earflaps during the imperial army managed to fight.

      http://topwar.ru/83436-zenitnyy-broneavtomobil-russo-balt-tip-t.html#comment-id-
      5050772
  15. TOR2 7 November 2015 14: 10 New
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    Quote: BagnoNew
    our idiots used the soldiers to destroy the bunkers ... utter nonsense ... they didn’t smash the bunkers with guns and put them down normally ... well, only the Red-bellied could have thought of it before ... everything was as usual ...

    Yes, of course, there were commanders in the Red Army such as Mehlis (chairman of the party control commission), who, appearing on the fronts, forced the generals to drive people to slaughter. But there were also talented military leaders. These include Kirill Meretskov, commander of the Karelian Front. It was from his submission that an operation was carried out to carry out a fake landing, which would now be called a “clone attack”.

    An interesting episode in the history of the Soviet-Finnish confrontation occurred during the crossing of the Svir River.
    http://svpressa.ru/post/article/127145/
  16. An64 7 November 2015 14: 14 New
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    I confess, I didn’t know about the Democratic Republic of Finland ...
    There are no analogies, but they themselves beg ... Or else this: "promised that the very next day after the outbreak of war he will have dinner in Helsinki ..."
  17. traveler 7 November 2015 14: 37 New
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    it’s good that they didn’t capture Finland at all, although there is much room for us-Murmansk to go by car to relax on the weekend, otherwise there would be a second Karelia without Karelians.
    By the way, visiting Finnish museums, you notice that the Finns, unlike the Germans, do not sprinkle ashes on their heads, and are not at all embarrassed by the fact that they were allies of Hitler.
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      Finns, unlike Germans, do not sprinkle ashes on their heads

      , but should.
  18. Приговор 7 November 2015 17: 02 New
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    My grandfather, Hasan Izmaylovich Shigabutdinov, went through almost the entire Finnish war. He served in artillery intelligence. He was awarded the medal "For Courage", was wounded. He spoke very rarely about the war; words cannot be extended. We still keep a relic in the family - Finnish. Grandfather removed it from the defeated enemy. After the Great Patriotic War, he became a reserve lieutenant of the NKVD. Immediately after the Second World War, he fought with bandits armed with deserters and fascist shortcomings, who were abundant in the forests. He died in 1984 at the age of 70. I am very proud of my grandfather and cherish the memory of him. Real man and Russian Soldier.
  19. chelovektapok 7 November 2015 17: 41 New
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    "The low sun of autumn -
    Lights the bayonet lights!
    Take us, Suomi, beauty
    In the necklace of endless lakes! "(c). The Finnish war of 1939 turned out to be a failure. But nevertheless, tactically and technically, it served as a LESSON for the troops engaged in the defense of Leningrad and for the Volkhov Front in the Second World War. The Winter War was" run-in "to the" Finnish ". didn’t get success, it’s also positive: “They give two unbeaten for a beaten one” (c). The North-Western Front already had “Finnish” members in its composition. Winter dictates its own conditions and this was not something new for them. Many technical solutions of the Russian Weapons originally from the “Finnish.” Starting from mine tank trawls, ending with the basic concept of the T-34. There are no defeats in the Russian Army. There are studies!
    1. voyaka uh 8 November 2015 15: 57 New
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      "LESSON for the troops engaged in the defense of Leningrad and for the Volkhov Front in the Second World War" ////

      How did it practically put it?
      The blockade of Leningrad was broken through from the other side - from the direction of Orienbaum.
      And from the Neva-Volkhov side, the Germans did not have reinforced concrete pillboxes on
      the lines of the siege of Leningrad are only wooden-earthen.
      And they were not taken until the very 44th year (the general withdrawal of the North group), despite the order of ten bloody unsuccessful offensive operations.
  20. 1rl141 7 November 2015 18: 12 New
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    The author also forgot ... maybe he didn’t think it necessary to mention .. That the famous caps with earflaps in our troops appeared during this war. We looked at the Finns for it was their usual winter hat.

    I imagine an offended Finn who drooled and lied all over the world, they say, the Russians were taken away from us, the cradles were piled on us, but we licked our hats, we licked Molotov’s cocktail, we came up with snipers, we are cooler than Russians. Without our ingenious inventions, the Russians are worthless.
    Are you by any chance a Finn? Comfort yourself with the brilliant Finnish hats that helped the Russians win victories?
  21. Grigorievich 7 November 2015 18: 34 New
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    Yes, in general, we are talking only about the name - "Molotov cocktails."

    Sorry, but the Finns called: "a cocktail for Molotov"
    1. Bashibuzuk 7 November 2015 20: 37 New
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      Thank you, the correct amendment.
      The Finns called it that.
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      And ours called simpler - fire grenades, _http: //bratishka.ru/archiv/2007/1/2007_1_12.php_
      "insidious mixture", "Stalin's cognac", I have no doubt that the names were higher than the roof.
  22. Raider 7 November 2015 20: 48 New
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    yes it was used .. read about the engineering special forces .. they used it ... but it really was nonsense ... our idiots used the soldiers to destroy the bunkers ... utter nonsense ... they didn’t destroy the bunkers with guns but put people in a normal position ... well, only the Red-bellied could think of it before that .. everything is as usual however ...

    Something the second time you meet such odious information on posts, can it be worth reading and studying history before speaking? Writing is not prohibited, but the facts are better to reinforce the young man! Good luck
    1. Bashibuzuk 7 November 2015 21: 33 New
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      It is useless, Ruslan, it is useless.
      This is another clone - "I myself am from Sevastopol, I am the daughter of an officer."
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      So, damn it, and begs - "I'm a black moth, I'm a bat" ...
      Well, bug and mole ... it's the same thing, in principle, yes.
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      "..Wine and men, its atmosphere,
      hello, shnyak
      free tyrnet ... "
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  25. raivolo 8 November 2015 12: 59 New
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    I live on the Karelian Isthmus. I saw a lot of things from Finnish military installations. dug all iron in childhood. grandfather fought here. Turmolai terrain was used amazingly and practically. sorry many pillboxes and shelters after the war were blown up
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    Quote: moskowit
    From an article posted on VO 8 December 2012

    "... Soon after the October Revolution (or a government coup), Fedorov was sent to Kovrov to continue work on the production of machine guns. 1918 went for a year. He was elected director at the factory (then this position was elected!) Degtyarev was appointed as the head of the experimental workshop. Already in next year, the machine guns were put into serial production.In 1924, the team began to create a number of machine guns unified with a machine gun - manual, aviation, anti-aircraft, tank. Historians and sources are silent about Fedorov’s participation in civilian I found the only mention of the parts where this weapon was used (paradox!) by M. Bulgakov. In the novel “Fatal Eggs”, the OGPU operative Polaitis had an “ordinary 25-charge machine gun” - the term “machine gun” from academic circles The type of ammunition use is either a cartridge of an Arisak rifle or an author’s ammunition, however, until the beginning of the 30's, light machine guns in many countries were in service. Two Fedorov tank machine guns were installed in the tower of the MS-1 tank, "

    Fedorov is the father of the Russian caliber. By and large, his machine gun is not a submachine gun, but an assault rifle. The cartridge of Arisak was intermediate. If they had listened to him ... And even his machine gun was put on by the name of the assistant Degtyarev.
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    Quote: moskowit
    From an article posted on VO 8 December 2012

    "... Soon after the October Revolution (or a government coup), Fedorov was sent to Kovrov to continue work on the production of machine guns. 1918 went for a year. He was elected director at the factory (then this position was elected!) Degtyarev was appointed as the head of the experimental workshop. Already in next year, the machine guns were put into serial production.In 1924, the team began to create a number of machine guns unified with a machine gun - manual, aviation, anti-aircraft, tank. Historians and sources are silent about Fedorov’s participation in civilian I found the only mention of the parts where this weapon was used (paradox!) by M. Bulgakov. In the novel “Fatal Eggs”, the OGPU operative Polaitis had an “ordinary 25-charge machine gun” - the term “machine gun” from academic circles The type of ammunition use is either a cartridge of an Arisak rifle or an author’s ammunition, however, until the beginning of the 30's, light machine guns in many countries were in service. Two Fedorov tank machine guns were installed in the tower of the MS-1 tank, "

    Fedorov is the father of the Russian caliber. By and large, his machine gun is not a submachine gun, but an assault rifle. The cartridge of Arisak was intermediate. If they had listened to him ... And even his machine gun was put on by the name of the assistant Degtyarev.
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    How much did this small Finn shoot down there? 500? Why not 5 thousand? Did you know such a number? Yes, even with a conventional rifle with an open sight. Here, from snipers, units reached such a number with optics, but this one just picked up and shot? The usual propaganda that the liberals love to repeat and spread.