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I wrote several articles about him on “VO”, enthusiastic, made my contribution to the creation of his heroic image. Reflected the spirit, the mood of those days, and do not regret it at all. So it was, Strelkov became the banner of resistance of the Kiev Bandera junta in the summer of 2014 of the year ...




There was a latent thought that he was carrying out a certain mission, he had a connection with a certain center in Moscow, from the FSB or the GRU, or SVR ... Although only ukroSMI wrote about this, many of our commentators believed this, here they achieved their goal. Now it is clear that it was a lie: Strelkov acted at his own peril and risk, having a small circle of supporters in Moscow.

Today's conspiracy theories about the Strelkova mission in the Donbass seem far-fetched, there are no serious facts behind them. And there is no need for this conspiracy, when everything is explained much simpler: such cases in the military-political stories lots of. There was even a stereotype: good generals are always useless politicians. There are, of course, exceptions, like Napoleon, but these are exceptions, they didn’t become Strelkov.

Igor Strelkov said in those summer days very important and correct words: there is a war, insubordination to the commander-in-chief in wartime is a betrayal that cannot be justified. The commander-in-chief of Russia is Vladimir Putin.

And when the commander-in-chief gave the order to switch to strategic defense in Ukraine, when the decision on the possible deployment of troops was canceled, Strelkov did not obey this order, began to challenge the new strategy of Moscow. In general, the constant confrontation of Strelkov with people representing Putin in Donetsk, the conventional “Surkovs”, already raised questions: after all, they were the “real Putin” in Donetsk ...

When this confrontation was supplemented by a war with its former like-minded people, Beard, many Donetsk commanders, the situation became generally absurd. But the war continues, the world hybrid war, and how do you want it to be understood? After all, Strelkov became, in fact, the leader of the Putin merged party! And even hints at the possibility of a “patriotic” Maidan in Moscow!

In Slavyansk, Igor Strelkov spoke about Orthodoxy, about his commitment to the faith of Christ. So, from the point of view of faith, he fell victim to the sin of pride, it can be seen with the naked eye. He is not the first, and he is not the last, but it is a pity, we both believed in him! As an Orthodox person, Strelkov should know this, and humble his pride. The theologians say that the greatest sinners are priests, because to whom much has been given, from that and the demand is special, this can be attributed to Strelkov.

Yes, Strelkov raised the banner of New Russia, but dropped it. It became clear to me when he stated in one interview: “I pulled the trigger of the war ...” This is a lie and a terrible sin of pride. On the trigger of the war, the Bandera Nazis were pressed when the 2 of May of 2014 held a public terrorist act in Odessa and burned dozens of people to intimidate all of Ukraine. This was said by the militia to the camera that it was after the tragedy in Odessa that they took in hand weapon.

It's sad to part with dreams, but you have to grow up: the fronts of hybrid warfare require cold-blooded fighters who understand the maneuvers of their generals and trust them. Commanders in war do not change!

All of Strelkov’s analytical predictions about the development of the war in the Donbass did not materialize, and they all predicted the defeat of the militia. Because they were dictated not by the military situation, but by ideological considerations, it seemed that the Donbass would be crushed without Strelkov. If he was wrong about the Donbass, who still knew what his predictions about the operation of the Russian videoconferencing system in Russia are worth? Exactly the same, because they again come from the old ideological attitudes.

The gunners are fixated on the need to introduce troops to Ukraine, that is, a full-scale war with the Kiev junta, and all other options for it have ways to defeat and defeat, including in Syria. How to call it? The Romans said, God, spare me from such friends and advisers, and I will deal with the enemies myself. When to attack, and when it is necessary to stand on the defensive, it is up to the commander in chief, not the colonels and political scientists.

Behind this completely ideological promise of Strelkov, to which the Brzezinski state staff (!) Are pushing us, seems to be the work of a certain “brain staff”. They say that "the king makes retinue," and politics, too, and Strelkov very unlucky in this regard. He got a "retinue", which does not want to give anyone the honor of the saviors of Russia, and share this honor, and gives him appropriate advice.

She did not save him from rash statements, and when they were made, she did nothing to at least disavow them. And now his scandalous statements have become arguments of our political opponents in Ukraine. If Igor Strelkov does not leave this circle of “political scientists”, he will not understand that it is not Christian to strive for fame at any cost, his image will fade even more in my eyes.

We will still lose many, in many and in many ways we will be disappointed, for the sake of victory in the new war with the West, one for all, for which we will not stand at a price, as they say ...
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  1. Shick
    Shick 5 November 2015 05: 56 New
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    Sofa troops .. everyone can criticize, but you yourself would go and show how it was necessary
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 06: 17 New
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      Quote: Shick
      and you yourself would go and show how it was necessary

      And from our site, not a few people were there, it was they who went and participated. Only they did not go there after a career.
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 5 November 2015 07: 41 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Only they did not go there for a career.

        what career Strelkov said he was ready to return to Donetsk as a soldier ...
        1. twviewer
          twviewer 5 November 2015 07: 46 New
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          and even lovers of tricky plans for a note

          can still recall about the shooting in Mariupol?
          but where were those people in uniform who are transforming the elements into movement?
          maybe the tricky plan was to do nothing?
          1. mark2
            mark2 5 November 2015 08: 06 New
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            And what did you want to say or show with that? So that Russia, headlong, rushed into the embrasures at the first call of the "brothers". Maybe it's enough to think in terms of "ours" and "not ours." Help ours always and everywhere, not ours not to love with all your heart. Maybe it's time to start thinking in terms of "profitable" - "not profitable"? Crimea became because it was profitable, But Donbass and Nikolaev, not profitable. more precisely, profitable, but not completely. For Donbass a different role is destined, which has nothing to do with joining Russia.
            And do not be offended and scream that everything is merged, come up with all sorts of cunning plans. Politics is a dark matter. And if any decisions are made there, then they are always motivated and balanced. Right and wrong is another question.
            1. twviewer
              twviewer 5 November 2015 08: 16 New
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              Quote: mark2
              And what did you want to say or show?

              but I want to say that the Kremlin did not do anything to organize and lead the Russian movement.
              But banks in Ukraine capitalized, but supplied gas. Is this not enough?
              1. Don
                Don 5 November 2015 12: 01 New
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                Quote: twviewer
                but I want to say that the Kremlin did not do anything to organize and lead the Russian movement.

                Movement where? In Nikolaev? In Kherson?
                Quote: twviewer
                But banks in Ukraine capitalized, but supplied gas. Is this not enough?

                And what money of the Russian Federation do not need to earn from this? In Moscow, unlike Kiev, the weak-minded do not sit. The Russian Federation is not at war with dill, so as not to supply gas. And if you stop supplying gas, then through which country should it be sent to the West?
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 5 November 2015 13: 56 New
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                  Strelkov obsessed with the need to send troops to Ukraine, that is, a full-scale war with the Kiev junta

                  Regardless of how I relate to Strelkov’s personality, I want to say.

                  The issue of introducing (not introducing) regular Russian troops into Ukraine is still controversial. You see what’s the matter here. The inhabitants of Donetsk (and indeed the Donbass), today there is a feeling of some resentment towards Russia itself. Then, even at the very beginning of hostilities, they until the last believed that Russia would send troops, and, like the example of Crimea, would intercede for them, thereby not allowing all those bombings (victims and destruction). Hopes did not materialize.

                  Now we will not delve into the essence of that CORRECTLY it is WRONGY it. There is one stubborn fact - hopes were not realized. And as it were purely human, the insult is quite justified (especially if you imagine yourself in their place).
                  But today, what has been done is done; good / bad history will judge.
                  1. Victor jnnjdfy
                    Victor jnnjdfy 5 November 2015 15: 27 New
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                    It seems to me that many residents of Donbass believed that Russia should and must send troops and take them into Russia. And the fact that they themselves must do something did not bother them.
                    As a result, everything turned into a bloody drama, including because the bulk of the residents of the southeast were passively waiting for the actions of Russia, and instead of them, at the initial stage, the ideologically-convinced Strelkov with volunteers acted.
                    Donbass and Crimea do not compare correctly. The Black Sea Fleet of Russia was in Crimea and the legitimate authorities of Crimea (Parliament and Government) took the side of Russia. In Donetsk and Lugansk, the legitimate authorities obeyed those who, under the leadership of the West, carried out a coup in Kiev.
                    First of all, one must be able to be offended not by someone, but be able to honestly ask oneself.
                    1. _Vladislav_
                      _Vladislav_ 5 November 2015 17: 12 New
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                      Quote: Victor Jnnjdfy
                      Donbass and Crimea do not compare correctly. The Black Sea Fleet was in Crimea

                      Black Sea Fleet of Russia, let's talk honestly, such a beautiful otmaza. And I’m sure that most Crimeans really want to live in Russia, this is all clear. BUT.
                      Crimea - we still chopped off. Why chopped off? The answer on the surface is to prevent us from being kicked out, and so that (God forbid) the US fleet does not register. And such a prospect loomed, it really is.

                      A referendum is, let’s say so, an excuse to say what is called. I believe that Russia had no other choice. But I believe that once they chopped off the Crimea, they could well chop off the Donbass (as this may sound cynical).

                      PS
                      In general, if everything is done intellectually. That Viktor Fedorovich, as the legitimate president, had to ask for help from comrade Putin, Vladimir Vladimirovich, to send troops and tear off the head of the entire Maidan. And even after he was overthrown, and then saved and taken to Russia, such a request would be legitimate and legal from the point of view of international law.

                      P.t. a coup d'etat is illegal from the point of view of international law.

                      But I see from actions in Syria that Russia has done work on mistakes. Consequently, it can be logically assumed that the troops not entered by the Russian Federation were still a mistake. I think that the events on the Maidan (which developed rapidly), to some extent, took by surprise Russia itself.

                      And from that there were various hesitations about the introduction of the non-introduction of troops.
                  2. Buffalo
                    Buffalo 5 November 2015 21: 58 New
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                    If Russia had thrown a landing in Kiev, immediately after they fired at Yanukovych’s motorcade, they would have captured the leaders and shot, would have imposed a curfew, as was done in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, there would have been no huge victims and destruction in the Donbas.
                  3. Kirito
                    Kirito 5 November 2015 23: 11 New
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                    I agree with you. And of course, history will judge.
                    Although after 1,5 years, the picture is simply depressing negative ... I just want to pay attention to a few points.
                    "The hopes were not justified." But where did they come from (hope)? Not an hour after VVP's famous speech about the Russian world and its defense?
                    And where was this protection when women and children died in Lugansk, Gorlovka ... And I absolutely do not care about the analytical layouts about the dangers of troop deployment, sanctions, etc., people could be saved angry .
                    And yet, remember what emotional pumping went on the central channels, the punitive operation, the destroyed houses, the bodies of the dead residents ... and then the click, and everything disappeared somewhere, and this is not even the second news request ... makes me think sad
                2. Logos
                  Logos 5 November 2015 23: 35 New
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                  And what money of the Russian Federation do not need to earn from this? In Moscow, unlike Kiev, the weak-minded do not sit. The Russian Federation is not at war with dill, so as not to supply gas. And if you stop supplying gas, then through which country should it be sent to the West?

                  How do you explain the fact that all the revenues received from oil and gas, the Russian Federation invested in US bonds? http://www.finanz.ru/novosti/obligatsii/cb-vlozhil-v-gosobligacii-ssha-polovinu-
                  byudzheta-rossii-1000864730
              2. Igor K
                Igor K 6 November 2015 12: 30 New
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                There is no need for drama, some support was and is being carried out constantly (otherwise the results would be fatal for Novorossia).
            2. Morrrow
              Morrrow 5 November 2015 09: 40 New
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              Banderstadt at the border is beneficial for us ????????? Can we benefit from a hostile Belarus? Then let's merge Lukashenko!
              1. Yars
                Yars 5 November 2015 10: 57 New
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                Quote: Morrrow
                Banderstadt at the border is beneficial for us ????????? Can we benefit from a hostile Belarus? Then let's merge Lukashenko!


                Russia is not profitable war at its borders !!! Such wars are beneficial only to those who need war
                far from its borders with the possibility of delivering weapons to those areas!
            3. Aleksander
              Aleksander 5 November 2015 11: 03 New
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              Quote: mark2
              rushed to the embrasures at the first call of the "brothers


              These are not "brothers", but Russian peoplecalling for the promised help of 4 March. Calling them bashfully bros, you separate them from the Russian people, as if they were not a part of them, and it is as if you are not ashamed to abandon the "strangers". Write directly:
              "So that Russia, headlong, rushed to the embrasures at the first call Russian people? It's not profitable! "
              You can’t look decent at the same time and justify meanness ....
              1. VolDaemar
                VolDaemar 5 November 2015 14: 17 New
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                Absolutely agree! in the light of March 4 promises of help, the people of the southeast have a steady understanding that they were betrayed and left by civilians, women, children, old people face to face with the junta and with galloping neo-Nazis!
              2. nikpwolf
                nikpwolf 5 November 2015 21: 52 New
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                Quote: Aleksander
                These are not "brothers", but Russian people crying for the help promised on March 4. Calling them shamefacedly brothers, you separate them from the Russian people, as if they were not a part of them, and it is as if you are not ashamed to abandon the "strangers". Write directly:
                "So that Russia, headlong, rushes into the embrasures at the first call of the Russian people? It's not profitable!"
                You can’t look decent at the same time and justify meanness ....

                You see, you seem to be speaking correctly. And there is nothing to complain about. And even +, sort of like ... But, at some point, you understand that the right words must be followed by the right actions. What is it? Well at my level. Gather, brother, RD, put everything that is supposed to be there, get dressed, unload there, take the AK and go "don't throw it away" (many did so). Because they are not strangers. Because they expect it from me there. Excuse me, of course, I'm exaggerating a little. But in essence it is. Here's just one thing. No matter how cynical it may sound, in this case it is not enough to expect and cry. I do not have to share a shirt and bread (and we do share), but blood. Your own and someone else's. And I must see, first of all from those who call, that they are primarily ready to die for it. For some reason I think that if Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Kharkov behaved like Donetsk and Lugansk, they would live freely and without direct military assistance from Russia. Yes, there, too, would have had to shed their blood. But that's the price. And nothing can be done about it. Then, it is likely that Russia would have brought in its troops. And she protected. Without any "profitable-unprofitable". Which she did repeatedly in her history. And in fact - I should know, "rushing to the embrasures", that the one who called me himself is already on them and lies. And he cannot do more. Then yes. No problem. And I can’t even understand I’m there who needs it? And is it really necessary? Or maybe the occupier is on the lookout? To shoot people, beautiful and correct words are not enough for me (I know what I'm talking about, the experience is sufficient, not a sofa, right up to government awards). In order to kill or die, I must be called by the perishing, and not by the doubter, serving at the call of my enemy and making weapons for him (the enemy). Something like that. Sincerely.
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                2. Aleksander
                  Aleksander 6 November 2015 07: 03 New
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                  Quote: nikpwolf
                  But I can’t even understand. Who am I needed there? Yes, and is it needed? And then maybe the occupier, and look?


                  In order not to doubt, just remember and comprehend several things:
                  -Azov, Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov, Mariupol, Berdyansk, etc. - this is the Novorossiysk Territory of the Russian Empire, built and inhabited. from scratch it is her more recently, a little over 200 years ago, in a bare and deserted wild fieldwon in fierce battles with Porta and the Crimean Khanate. That is there same people, same population as in other cities of the Novorossiysk Territory — Rostov, Krasnodar, Novorossiysk, Taganrog, Stavropol, Crimea, Tiraspol — do you doubt them? Even after the revolution, he himself decided to stay in Russia-Odessa Republic, the KDR and only the Bolsheviks forcibly shoved him into Ruin,
                  -after the coup, Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev, completely independently opposed the maydauns, waited for Russia, but it did not come and they were crushed by the new Nazi units and the state. Today they are under Nazi occupation, as in 41. And in 41 there was NEVER a revolt in the cities against the Nazis, but when ours came, they were greeted with enthusiasm and given millions of good soldiers.
                  -Not you have to decide whether to volunteer or not, and the state of Russia (as promised), without the support of the state, the struggle is meaningless, the forces are incomparable and people understand this ...
                  Respectfully.. hi
                  1. nikpwolf
                    nikpwolf 6 November 2015 09: 03 New
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                    Quote: Aleksander
                    after the coup, Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev, completely independently opposed the maydauns, waited for Russia, but it did not come and they were crushed by the new Nazi units and the state.

                    Donetsk and Lugansk - yes. Hold on. And hold on. And no Nazi units and glorified by the glory of the great victories over the special forces divisions and the armored armada of masks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not do anything. And they won’t be able to. And in Odessa, Nikolaev, Mariupol, Kherson, Kharkov - they go to serve in the punitive army and make tanks. Not all. But they go and do. And how to relate to this?
                    Quote: Aleksander
                    Today they are under Nazi occupation, as in the 41st. And in the 41st there was NOT A ONE uprising in the cities against the Nazis, but when ours came, they were greeted with enthusiasm and given millions of good soldiers.

                    What are the uprisings? In 41, German-Nazi troops took these cities with battles. One defense of the Hero City of Odessa is worth. What are you talking about? They gave good soldiers and sailors to the Red Army BEFORE 41. In general, why, excuse me, nonsense ?!
                    1. Aleksander
                      Aleksander 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
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                      Quote: nikpwolf
                      What are the uprisings? In 41, German-Nazi troops took these cities with battles. One defense of the Hero City of Odessa is worth. What are you talking about? They gave good soldiers and sailors to the Red Army BEFORE 41. In general, why, excuse me, nonsense ?!

                      Under the occupation of the Nazis in 1941-44, in Odessa and other cities of the USSR, there was not a SINGLE uprising against the invaders, and this despite the fact that they were backed by the great power of the USSR. With today's Nazi occupation of Novorossia, Russia renounced Novorossia completely- (Putin- "this is an internal Ukrainian conflict") and the Novorossians are abandoned
                      one on one with the state machine Ruins. There, even for conversations, people are planted. Speaking against the junta is just suicide
                      If there is not enough, sorry, brains to understand the obvious things, then at least you should not be rude.
                      1. nikpwolf
                        nikpwolf 6 November 2015 17: 50 New
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Under the occupation of the Nazis in 1941-44, in Odessa and other cities of the USSR, there was not a SINGLE uprising against the invaders, and this despite the fact that they were backed by the great power of the USSR. With today's Nazi occupation of Novorossia, Russia renounced Novorossia completely- (Putin- "this is an internal Ukrainian conflict") and the Novorossians are abandoned
                        one on one with the state machine Ruins.

                        But where is the defense initially? What do you compare the current time with the occupation of the 41st? Is this one of the cities I have listed above that the Dogs took with battle? AND? Where is the resistance? Where are the explosions of commandant's offices? Where is the daily shooting of the invaders? Where is all this? What are the uprisings? There the resistance did not stop! From the first to the last day of the occupation there was an uprising. What else was needed? At a demonstration under fascist machine guns go out? End offendedly with slogans to throw and confuse horseradish with scrambled eggs. You still compare the APU with the Wehrmacht. Purely neighing. But in essence of the question (just let’s go without excursions into history, otherwise we have a very different look at the Second World War, say something). What do you disagree with?
                      2. Aleksander
                        Aleksander 6 November 2015 21: 11 New
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                        Quote: nikpwolf
                        Where is the resistance? Where are the explosions of commandant's offices? Where is the daily shooting of the invaders? Where is all that? What are the uprisings?


                        Where where... W ... e !! fool
                      3. nikpwolf
                        nikpwolf 6 November 2015 23: 38 New
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                        Quote: Aleksander
                        Where, where ... B ... e !!

                        So what do you disagree with? Is there anything to say? Russia has leaked everyone! Shouted and will be.
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        3. tomket
          tomket 5 November 2015 12: 17 New
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          Quote: mark2
          Politics is a dark matter.

          Big giraffe he knows better ???
        4. lukke
          lukke 5 November 2015 12: 43 New
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          "So that Russia, headlong, rushes to the embrasures at the first call of" brothers ". Maybe it will be enough to think in terms of" ours "and" not ours. "
          To Mark II (lover of used japs)

          You know, Russia became the successor of the USSR and, accordingly, should take a direct part in helping former citizens of the USSR, whom it once sent to work, service, etc. to their republics. After all, remember that in 1991 the question of former compatriots never arose from any of the politicians - it was "costly" to solve and was not popular, because it would be impossible to promise and fulfill it. I respect VVP, that he was one of the first to raise this issue in general. And I sincerely wish you to be someday in the shoes of a "brother" (although this is not about the Serbs, but about us yesterday as single citizens of the USSR), so that later not to write such nonsense with mentoring inclinations. Did you live in the RSFSR during the partition? or were you born after 91?
          1. Insurgent LC
            Insurgent LC 5 November 2015 17: 59 New
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            born in the USSR was a citizen of the USSR took the oath of the USSR but did not manage to be there until the end he served him already at the collapse he came home handed a passport with a trident, but now I am a citizen of the LPR with a passport which is not quoted in Russia and not only. who are we from Donbass another wave of history will bring us to the shore, and we may remain in the role = brother =
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        6. vladek64
          vladek64 5 November 2015 12: 57 New
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          Quote: mark2
          And what did you want to say or show with that? That Russia, headlong, rushed to the embrasures at the first call of the "brothers".


          With "brothers" you got excited.
          The commander in chief said that the Russians and Ukrainians are one nation. Are you against the commander in chief?
        7. rubidiy
          rubidiy 5 November 2015 13: 46 New
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          I continue to repeat the same idea for a long time with the only difference that the question is not only whether to accept or not to accept the Donbass. It may happen that the current situation in Ukraine is beneficial for Russia as well. I will not go into details, for a long time and no further assumptions.
          As for Strelkov, I’ll repeat it for the hundredth time: a person saw an event that had arisen in order to rise sharply, having earned himself a handsome political politician. Naturally, he had no ties with the Kremlin. That is the whole point of history. The man came, as it seemed to him, to the right place at the right time, pushed the right words, posed as a commander and began to wait for Russia to send troops. But they did not come. Dot.
          Now Strelkova is being bombed, for he was not going to fight seriously and was not able to. And that same political capital began to seep through your fingers. So until he woke up to the end, Girkin pulled the remnants of the earned popularity to sell to the liberals. Opportunism. There is such a word.
          Again, I am especially inhibited post zaminusut. Nothing wrong. In a year, maybe it will reach them.
        8. I am Russian
          I am Russian 5 November 2015 18: 24 New
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          Quote: mark2
          And what did you want to say or show with that? So that Russia, headlong, rushed into the embrasures at the first call of the "brothers". Maybe it's enough to think in terms of "ours" and "not ours." Help ours always and everywhere, not ours not to love with all your heart. Maybe it's time to start thinking in terms of "profitable" - "not profitable"? Crimea became because it was profitable, But Donbass and Nikolaev, not profitable. more precisely, profitable, but not completely. For Donbass a different role is destined, which has nothing to do with joining Russia.
          And do not be offended and scream that everything is merged, come up with all sorts of cunning plans. Politics is a dark matter. And if any decisions are made there, then they are always motivated and balanced. Right and wrong is another question.


          And you tell this to 20 thousand killed how it is favorable to you. fool
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      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 5 November 2015 11: 32 New
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        Commanders-in-chief in the war do not change!
        - from article

        Is there a war?
        I remember this slogan was popular when the leadership of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, when their failed work and politics were already visible.
        Therefore, do not scatter such slogans. Change. In a democratic society, both Governments and Presidents are changing, pursuing a failed policy for the state and people, and they are also being judged.
        That's just a pity not with us. We are waiting for the collapse and chaos of the policy of the "irreplaceable", in order to then unleash the people's anger on him, and orders from the next "irreplaceable".
        Give examples or do you know?
      3. g1v2
        g1v2 5 November 2015 17: 27 New
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        Good day, in my opinion the whole war in the Donbass began as a counterblow of mattresses. The Kremlin had no plans to squeeze SE from the Kremlin. Crimea was an end in itself. Including all the stories of Girkin about the grandiose plans of GDP to overcome SE - lies. In my opinion, it was something like this.
        Throughout the southeast from Odessa to Kharkov, mass unrest and the demands of federalization, the status of the Russian language and the prevention of banderlogs in the southeast were at that time. Definitely these PEACEFUL actions were supported by the Russian Federation and were widely covered by our media. Almost every administration posted the flag of the Russian Federation. Our goal was simple - federalization, the Russian language and its status, separation of the SE into a separate regime with the possibility of blocking entry into NATO and special economic relations with the Russian Federation. If the money of donor regions of the SE ceased to go completely to Kiev, then the standard of living in the SE would have grown significantly. And accordingly, the main part of the population of Ukraine would become clear that those who are friends with the Russian Federation, and not the West, live better.
        This situation was completely unsatisfactory for the mattresses, and they needed a reason to crush the military forces with the hands of their defeated servants. They needed a military provocation to pretend to crush the Yu. One of the main forces of the Maidan was the Dnepropetrovsk clan, which was once founded by Pavel Lazarenko, who suddenly disappeared after leaving an American prison. Parts of this clan - Tymoshenko, his former henchman and her father, Turchinov and the clan’s wallet - Kolomoisky raider with his team. By the way, I highly recommend all interviews with his deputy Corban - very frank. Especially the spring of 2014 - the article Ukraine should become a big Latvia. And in Russia, Kolomoisky has a raider friend, who appeared in 2012 - the bones of Malofey. And this raider has a security chief - a man with ambitions and an adventurer, a certain girkin. And so he goes to the Donbass and screams loudly that he is a colonel of the FSB with plans to wring out the entire SE. That's how the special services behave, yeah. wink The purpose of the mattresses is to crush the SE and drag Russia into a war against 45 million Russians, who are a serious AND NECESSARY reserve for the Russian economy. And so begins the Slavic epic. To be honest, I just think that most of the downed turntables and planes are not staged - Russians in the high school also had to be rocked, and what is better for this than the sight of dead friends? Moreover, the plan of attack that ended with the first southern cauldron (not thanks to Girkin) was unequivocally drawn up by American advisers and it was based on the Iraqi experience of the American army - because of which it failed, as the Ukrainian General Staff washed their hands and explained to the mattresses that the combat-ready on paper are completely not ready there was no one to reality. Well, then Girkin realized that he was being drained and the plan for drawing the Russian Federation into dill did not work and was leaving for Donetsk. And by the way, about Kurginyan’s hysteria - but no one thought to think, but how does he know so well what and how much heirk was sent to? And the answer is simple - he was one of those who sent. Remember how Girkin tried to calm him and bleated? And everything is simple - the boss yelled at the subordinate and that’s it.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 5 November 2015 17: 29 New
          +3
          Well, then the Boeing. I do not think this is a staging. There is not much blood in such matters. He organized the shooting down of a Boeing in my opinion the same Benya Kolomoisky. Before that, I watched a week of Ukrainian media - they all yelled about Russian reconnaissance aircraft that supposedly fly over the Donbass. Our reconnaissance aircraft are made on the basis of civilian aircraft - for example, the Tu-214r. And then Ukrainian air defense and pilots, who before that publicly promised to protect the Ukrainian sky from Russian planes, are waiting for a Russian reconnaissance plane, which in appearance is just a passenger plane. And the Dnepropetrovsk dispatcher sends where they are waiting for a Boeing with a tricolor on the tail - not Russian but Dutch, but still the colors are the same as in the Russian Federation. Ukrainian air defense and flyers knock him down - who doesn’t matter. Maybe the beech, or maybe the beech missed and worked the plane. Those who shot down rejoice at the downing of the invader and suddenly find out that the side was little civilian, still not Russian. In general, they will be silent. Girkin, instead of denying the instructions, begins to deliberately bustle. causing more suspicion. In general, further sanctions and articles such as Putin killed my children. After that, the Kremlin understands. that the situation needs to be taken under control once they have already suffered for anything and Girkin is making an offer that he cannot refuse - dump in the Russian Federation until he is banged. Another Malofeev’s employee, Borodai, suddenly realizes that everything that is happening is not coordinated with the Kremlin and rolls off to the Russian Federation, shouting loudly that he had nothing to do with it and blaming everything on Girkin. Well, the Russian Federation puts its governors, legitimizes them through the elections and begins to take control of Donbass. Something like this in my opinion.
    2. askort154
      askort154 5 November 2015 08: 13 New
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      twviewer .... what career? Strelkov said he was ready to return to Donetsk as a soldier.


      Why didn’t you do that? Not responsible for his words ?!
      1. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 5 November 2015 09: 34 New
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        Yes, because the condition was extremely simple: either you are leaving Donbass, or there will be no North wind. No options.
        1. kaluganew
          kaluganew 5 November 2015 11: 16 New
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          Remember the brain. It was necessary to remove - warned. He didn’t leave - he left.
          I understand that the idea for many will not be pleasant, but it may be the hands of our specialists.

          Strelkov could also leave, no problem. And no one would play with him we will give and will not give.
      2. VolDaemar
        VolDaemar 5 November 2015 14: 23 New
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        bye, and who will give him back ?! unless to repeat the fate of Bednov, Brain ...
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 08: 16 New
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      Quote: twviewer
      Strelkov said he was ready to return to Donetsk as a soldier ...

      Well, he knows how to say it.
      1. twviewer
        twviewer 5 November 2015 08: 20 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Well, he knows how to say it.

        honestly speaking, that's why the politician is useless, but certainly not the enemy of Russia, as they say here.
        PS but even ordinary soldiers didn’t let him go there
        1. Yars
          Yars 5 November 2015 10: 48 New
          -1
          just the enemy who tried to pull Russia into the war, and loves the glamorous)
          1. Yars
            Yars 5 November 2015 11: 12 New
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            Dear, what are the cons?
            1. Yars
              Yars 5 November 2015 11: 15 New
              -2
              I’ll post one more, so that there is something to minus you
            2. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 5 November 2015 13: 18 New
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              Quote: YARS
              Dear, what are the cons?
              Maybe because you climb into someone else's personal life? Present a pancake to your wife wassat
              1. Yars
                Yars 5 November 2015 23: 54 New
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                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Quote: YARS
                Dear, what are the cons?
                Maybe because you climb into someone else's personal life? Present a pancake to your wife wassat

                why should I do this ?! It would be Putin lit up with a young girl, that would have been the stench of the liberals ......... and here some are right behind the rifle steel !!!
            3. KGB WATCH YOU
              KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 13: 39 New
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              Are you surprised that Strelkov’s orientation is all right? winked This Mercedes has been sucked a million times, but you post it anyway ... it's not his car.
              1. VolDaemar
                VolDaemar 7 November 2015 14: 27 New
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                100500
                well, but to blur it out, something liberals need ... ...)))
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          2. lukke
            lukke 5 November 2015 14: 49 New
            +5
            ABOUT! I wouldn’t like to fall in love with this too!)
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 5 November 2015 19: 36 New
            +9
            Quote: YARS
            glamorous loves)

            And I love those! Do you like more awesome and more fanciful? belay This is for you to Mikhan, he will fall on Psaki, then on Vasiliev ... wassat
    4. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 November 2015 10: 05 New
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      Only, for some reason, did not return.
      1. Morrrow
        Morrrow 5 November 2015 10: 50 New
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        Do not let.
    5. avt
      avt 5 November 2015 10: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: twviewer
      Strelkov said he was ready to return to Donetsk as a soldier ...

      “I dissuaded the golden grove ..." I, like some of the sane here on the site, well, of those who did not fall for the Belkovo chant of 300 riflemen and Babai, after the reconstruction of the emigration of Girkin / Strelkov, Denikin left the active army, said that his next move will be into politics in Russia and not just, but quite specifically in place of Navalny - a kind of not liberal, but quite patriotic nationalism. So the adherents of the sect, 300 riflemen and Babay "choked with saliva in hysteria -" He is an old soldier and does not know the words of love "- will never go into politics, since he is pure like an angel, and politics, well, they say we all know, is a dirty business, well will not stain white robes. "Never say never." Well, you got it from MK and now sign it, I have already quoted and will quote - poke especially stubborn sectarians with their muzzles in
      Former head of the "DPR Ministry of Defense" Igor Girkin (Strelkov) at a press conference at the Center for Scientific Political Thought and Ideology (the center of Stepan Sulakshin) said that with his participation a new political force should soon appear in the country, opposing the policy of the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, while back in September 2014, Strelkov's rhetoric was supported by completely different political forces. He stated that "the West and the fifth column practically do not hide their plans to overthrow President Putin and completely dismantle Russia," thereby approving the president's course.
      Already what your deity was bought for, or simply played on unsatisfied conceit - the second thing. The main thing is that it was picked up by very specific guys with specific plans -
      Nevertheless, the new party, which is being created with his participation, according to Sulakshin, “is inevitable and will lead the country away from the destructive and critically destructive liberal course, which has become the official program and political line of the ruling regime in the country. Her leadership, her president V. Putin. This line is disastrous for the country. ”
      So if suddenly Girkin / Strelkov started the reconstruction of Michael of Kent at the kingdom in Russia - Belkovsky's favorite feature, then do not be surprised and do not gasp.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 5 November 2015 10: 36 New
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        Quote: avt
        The ex-head of the “Ministry of Defense of the DPR” Igor Girkin (Strelkov) at a press conference at the Center for Scientific Political Thought and Ideology (the center of Stepan Sulakshin) said that a new political force would appear in the country with his participation, opposed to the policy of the president of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin.

        You are misled. The media and Sulakshin ascribe to Strelkov a lot of things that he did not say at all (but what "some" dream about) Find an article (sorry, no links at hand) The leader of the Novorossiya movement evaluated the events taking place in Russia and the world today. Trying to understand the essence of what is happening, the correspondent of the "Russian Planet" met and talked with Igor Ivanovich
        and in particular....
        "So you have no plans to open an opposition party to Putin?
        - Of course not. Because I'm a realist. And this, by the way, I said at the scientific-practical conference at Sulakshin's - namely, that no political parties are now, whatever they are: patriotic, antipatriotic, liberal, which are not built into the existing system, are not obedient and controlled financed from the Kremlin and from structures affiliated with it, they simply will not go anywhere. They will remain at the marginal level, even if they manage to be created and registered. Accordingly, I'm not going to waste energy, money and my own time on empty activities. "
        In addition, Rostislav Ishchenko also wrote an article in defense of Strelkov, although he admits that he also criticized him.
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        2. Yars
          Yars 5 November 2015 11: 48 New
          +1
          here it is, he contradicts himself in this interview, and more than once ...
          1. avt
            avt 5 November 2015 12: 47 New
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            Quote: YARS
            here it is, he contradicts himself in this interview, and more than once ...

            For a true believer of the Strelka sect, the analysis and even more so some contradictions are sacrilege against the idol, Oh, it's not difficult to deceive me, I'm glad to be deceived myself. So I solemnly confer the title of Kurginian ", but for bringing the quotation immediately to the second degree. laughing
            1. Yars
              Yars 5 November 2015 22: 41 New
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              Quote: avt
              Quote: YARS
              here it is, he contradicts himself in this interview, and more than once ...

              For a true believer of the Strelka sect, the analysis and even more so some contradictions are sacrilege against the idol, Oh, it's not difficult to deceive me, I'm glad to be deceived myself. So I solemnly confer the title of Kurginian ", but for bringing the quotation immediately to the second degree. laughing

              drinks
      2. Morrrow
        Morrrow 5 November 2015 10: 53 New
        +4
        Bonaparte not only got involved in politics, but also stayed there the longest. Who is better than Barras or Bonaparte?
      3. twviewer
        twviewer 5 November 2015 10: 57 New
        +9
        Quote: avt
        poke especially stubborn sectarians in the face in

        yes, for God's sake, the truth is born :)
        only God all have one and this is not Strelkov and not Putin, that’s the thing.
        And the fact that priests already kiss your idol's hands, and especially devout persons of blessing ask you not to be bothered? hi
        1. avt
          avt 5 November 2015 11: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: twviewer
          only God all have one and this is not Strelkov and not Putin, that’s the thing.

          request I am a sinner and I do not argue - "Do not make yourself an idol" in general, it concerns EVERYONE living on Earth.
      4. Aleksander
        Aleksander 5 November 2015 11: 21 New
        +9
        And why, then, can an officer and citizen, reporting to the Commander-in-Chief and the lawful President, be opposition to him and want to be re-elected? belay
    6. Petrik66
      Petrik66 5 November 2015 11: 53 New
      +3
      Tell me once - I will believe, tell me a second time - I will doubt it, tell me a third time I will say that you are deceiving.
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    8. The lead
      The lead 5 November 2015 17: 03 New
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      Can someone explain to me what is happening on the site? Why are critical articles regularly published on Strelkov? Why is it that Strelkov’s person is so focused on? Is he the first enemy of Russia and the whole Russian people, along with ISIS and Ebola fever? So much criticism, slander and lies are not addressed to the Russian politician or public figure. I don’t understand what the authors of these articles expect, that people honor and unanimously believe in all this dregs, if not from the first article, but sooner or later we’ll zombie everyone like ? It seems that visitors to the site are held for naive, unable to think on their own. Especially in our time of open information space, the attempts of the Strelkov critics look especially funny, for example, there is a curious video of the confrontation between Strelkov and Starikov, where the latter completely disavowed himself as an aggressive and deceitful cheer -patriot.
      1. avt
        avt 5 November 2015 17: 44 New
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        Quote: Lead
        Can someone explain to me what is happening on the site? Why are critical articles regularly published on Strelkov?

        ,, This is ... how is it .... VALUNTARISM! "
        Quote: Lead
        ? It seems that visitors to the site are held for naive, unable to think on their own. Especially in our time of open information space, the attempts of the Strelkov critics look especially funny, for example, there is a curious video of the confrontation between Strelkov and Starikov, where the latter completely disavowed himself as an aggressive and deceitful cheer -patriot.

        laughing Well, thank God, a "true" one appeared, and even earnestly, unambiguously believing in its own unambiguity. Well, what can you say, especially in light of the fact that earlier it seemed like a "simple soldier who will never go into politics"
        Quote: Lead
        Not a single Russian politician or public figure has received so much criticism, slander and lies.

        and politician and public figure. Hari Shooter Hari Rama, death to Kurginyan! And Starikov, who joined him - “Surkov propaganda”! Start loading basins of water and creams in tubes near his image and video, you are our unambiguous follower of the true faith preached by the teacher.
        1. avt
          avt 5 November 2015 18: 40 New
          -2
          Quote: avt
          . Hari Shooter Hari Rama,

          “I am aware of my guilt, measure, degree, depth," and the indignation of the sect's adherents. Of course not Rama! Hari Shooter Hari Babai! Now this is normal.
      2. VolDaemar
        VolDaemar 7 November 2015 14: 48 New
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        100500
        I completely agree!
        All this anti-Strelkovskaya hysteria is based on the posts, on the one hand, of a gang of provocateurs-disinformers from the camp "I am a Crimean, the daughter of an officer", which is echoed by the bows of the liberals and the zombie lohtorat, etc. - that's all together and pours out into a stream of lies and yapping! and it’s useless to prove to them that it’s a waste of an hour, as they say in the Ruin, because some work out their 30 pieces of silver, while others are the same zombies, like their colleagues - maidan horses! ,)))
  2. CALL.
    CALL. 5 November 2015 07: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And from our site, not a few people were there, it was they who went and participated. Only they did not go there after a career.

    With all due respect to the Battle Merits of Igor Ivanovich, all the same, politics is not his path and he talked about this more than once.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 08: 15 New
      +6
      Quote: Z.O.V.
      all the same, politics is not his path, and he talked about this more than once.

      And so he climbs there intensely, and so liberals and democrats of all stripes sort his words into quotes.
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    2. Babr
      Babr 5 November 2015 08: 20 New
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      Quote: Z.O.V.
      With all due respect to the Battle Merits of Igor Ivanovich, all the same, politics is not his path and he talked about this more than once.

      Probably everyone has heard this saying "Politics is a dirty business."
      Ever wonder why this was launched?
      I will answer.
      So that the average man in the street does not think about the actions of "politicians"
      To be out of politics is to live with one gyrus in your head.
      So with Strelkov, the same thing happened. Engaged in politics, enlightenment came. Naturally, who would like it. And this is not the last article denigrating him. Will it still be. I'm not a fan of Strelkov. I just say what I see.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 09: 09 New
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        Quote: Babr
        Engaged in politics, enlightenment came. E

        Gee, probably Ksenia Sobchak also saw the light laughing
        1. Babr
          Babr 5 November 2015 09: 35 New
          +7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Babr
          Engaged in politics, enlightenment came. E

          Gee, probably Ksenia Sobchak also saw the light laughing

          Romanov, don’t snarl. lol Ksyusha is doing her sneaky business on the sly and no one is bothering her. She has her fans, who are narrow-minded but there are.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 10: 55 New
            -8
            Quote: Babr
            Ksyusha is doing her petty business slowly and no one is bothering her.

            Did Girkin go far?
            1. Babr
              Babr 5 November 2015 11: 18 New
              +8
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Babr
              Ksyusha is doing her petty business slowly and no one is bothering her.

              Did Girkin go far?

              Romanov, I treat everyone in the media unequivocally (IN is no exception)
              They all have a pro-government policy (otherwise they would not have been given status)
              Just don’t drive me to the censor. I won’t go. tongue
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 11: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: Babr
                Romanov, I treat everyone in the media unequivocally (IN is no exception)
                They all have a pro-government policy (otherwise they would not have been given status)

                A bunch of liberal Saites have media status. The echo of Moscow is also the media. The status of the media is not a carrot from the Kremlin.
                1. Babr
                  Babr 5 November 2015 11: 53 New
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                  Well, Romanov, you force me to say things that are not very personable. It's all very simple. It's like a good investigator and an evil investigator. They do one thing, but the methods are different.
            2. avt
              avt 5 November 2015 12: 19 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Did Girkin go far?

              Catch one clue from the simple ones, as soon as photos and videos begin to appear where he will be neatly trimmed and not in a T-shirt, but quite to himself in a variety of clothes, selected according to the opinion of "image makers / glamorists" to the tone of the voiced words - the promotion of the image of civil policy "which
              Quote: Aleksander
              And why, then, can an officer and citizen, reporting to the Commander-in-Chief and the lawful President, be opposition to him and want to be re-elected?

              laughing This means that they will start to really invest money in PR exactly as “the patriotic leader of the opposition”.
            3. Buffalo
              Buffalo 10 November 2015 14: 30 New
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              And with Strelkov, in your opinion, how was they treated honestly or meanly?
              Everyone hopes to get something from him, but how much did they invest in him in order to count on interest?
  3. Yars
    Yars 5 November 2015 11: 02 New
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    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Shick
    and you yourself would go and show how it was necessary

    And from our site, not a few people were there, it was they who went and participated. Only they did not go there after a career.

    That's right, here are just a few from our site who are trying hard to keep Girkin in the ranks of the heroes.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 11: 37 New
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      Quote: YARS
      , here are just some of our site stubbornly trying to keep Girkin in the ranks of heroes.

      Yes, do not care about them.
      1. Yars
        Yars 5 November 2015 22: 50 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: YARS
        , here are just some of our site stubbornly trying to keep Girkin in the ranks of heroes.

        Yes, do not care about them.

        right too
  4. Buffalo
    Buffalo 5 November 2015 19: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And from our site, not a few people were there, it was they who went and participated. Only they didn’t go there for a career

    For reporting or what? It is one thing to write, and another to fight.
  • avt
    avt 5 November 2015 10: 00 New
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    Quote: Shick
    Sofa troops .. everyone can criticize, but you yourself would go and show how it was necessary

    Which regiment did you serve? Did you take Debaltseve? Or at a secret job in Chelsea? wassat
  • Igor K
    Igor K 6 November 2015 12: 28 New
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    Here the respected conversation is not about how he went there and what he did there, but actually what he came back with.
  • Shick
    Shick 5 November 2015 05: 57 New
    +9
    Anyway, it seems that even if you disagree with Putin, you’re all a liberal, a liar and a traitor ..
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 5 November 2015 06: 10 New
      +5
      Traitor ... why so soon? An incompetent person in matters of domestic politics. Plus drugany. Where to go?
      1. vladimir_krm
        vladimir_krm 5 November 2015 09: 40 New
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        Maybe friends. Or maybe not: after all, there are no former Chekists? Maybe everything is much more complicated and he has such a task? :) So far, no one has dispelled my doubts, which I have stated here: http://topwar.ru/84873-vyhodit-kurginyan-byl-ne-tak-uzh-i-ne-prav-v-otnoshenii-s
        trelkova.html # comment-id-5127279
    2. rx78
      rx78 5 November 2015 06: 17 New
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      When liberals, liars, and traitors begin to joyfully quote every word, yes, an opinion begins to take shape.
      1. Morrrow
        Morrrow 5 November 2015 09: 15 New
        +2
        And now to be silent in a rag? Putin is worse than Nicholas 2
    3. avt
      avt 5 November 2015 11: 19 New
      -3
      Quote: Shick
      Anyway, it seems that even if you disagree with Putin, you’re all a liberal, a liar and a traitor ..

      There is an opinion that the World is not cognized in comparison by individual individuals and "by their deeds you will recognize them", as well as a light image drawn by yourself, or by someone to whom you pray, should not question and without a difference in personalities and there is not even a desire to know - And why is this so suddenly? And if something suddenly appeared that fits into one chant, repeated from the time of the beginning - "Putin! Send troops!"
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 5 November 2015 13: 16 New
        +8
        Quote: avt
        ,, Putin! Bring in troops! "?

        The troops could be entered, and quite legally. Yanukovych was de facto the LAW President of Ukraine, and could officially legalize the entry of troops into the country to ensure the security of the federal referendum. In the eastern regions would be a ride. (In Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolaev region, not to mention Donetsk and Lugansk). After the referendum, the troops would withdraw. There would be small losses among our military, but aren't they now? There are, and more (volunteers, vacationers the same Russian). As a result, most likely there was a division of Ukraine into two states with a border along the Dnieper. In my understanding, this is better than what we have now. hi
        P.S. The entire discussion of Strelkov comes down more to a discussion of personal qualities and pulling words out of context. The essence is not discussed.
        1. avt
          avt 5 November 2015 13: 58 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The troops could be entered, and quite legally. Yanukovych was de facto the LAW President of Ukraine, and could officially legalize the entry of troops into the country to ensure the security of the federal referendum.

          Well, is it really how it was in the Crimea and in particular the sequence of actions does not teach you anything! ?? Is it really difficult to remember HOW Yanukovych rushed to Kharkiv, Donetsk, how he held rallies in Kharkiv of the “Regions” party in the form of local deputies and how they ALL and the Oblast Donetsk and Kharkiv KNOWLEDGE and according to the Crimean scenario DID NOT GO! Well, where is the legitimacy "???
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          After the referendum, the troops would withdraw

          Not only was the referendum in fact carried out by the rebels, and not legitimate, as in Crimea the members of the government appointed by Ssynukovych and the deputies previously elected under Ukrainian law, and the referendum, in what wording was it ???? There, there was no announcement of the creation of a sovereign state or annexation to Russia, there was a certain independence. So, de jure, the introduction of troops under such a pretext would be a pure occupation, which was simply thirsty for in Kiev, the USA and ....... Girkin / Strelkov in Slavyansk. He did not establish any new Novorossiysk republic in Donetsk. Or did I miss something in my life and there was some kind of "last supper"? wassat request
          1. avt
            avt 5 November 2015 14: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The troops could be entered, and quite legally.

            Quote: avt
            Not only that the referendum in fact was already conducted by the rebels, but not legitimate, as in Crimea the members of the government appointed by Ssynukovich and the deputies previously elected under Ukrainian law, and the referendum was in what wording ????

            I forgot to add a fact essential for legal justification - in Crimea everything started when there was NO legitimate authority in Kiev! When the same Simonenkov pseudo-communists and their accomplices in the Party of Regions in the Rada did not appoint Turchinov igogo prezika.
        2. tomket
          tomket 5 November 2015 15: 26 New
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          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Yanukovych was de facto the LAW President of Ukraine, and could officially legalize the entry of troops into the country to ensure the security of the federal referendum.

          By the way, yes. They entered Syria. And the third world did not happen.
          1. avt
            avt 5 November 2015 17: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: tomket
            By the way, yes. They entered Syria.

            By the way, no. If they did not notice, Assad DIDN'T RUN ANYWHERE, and even under the conditions of the outbreak of the war, he held elections and was re-elected after the “Arab Spring” and Russia supports the legitimate president who did not leave his post.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 5 November 2015 19: 26 New
              +6
              Quote: avt
              - Assad didn’t run away

              Yemeni President Saleh also escaped, but decided to return, and the whole Western world does not deny his legitimacy. The point is a look at the situation. We respond to strikes, not the first to hit. We allowed the United States to create a hostile state on the Russian border, satisfied only with the annexation of Crimea.
              Who is geopolitically the winner, only honestly? From my point of view, the USA, since we are only fighting back, trying to maintain (!) The zone of influence, and the USA to expand. In Ukraine, we globally lost, having only managed to save face. In Syria, there are still some misunderstandings, I hope we will be able to defend our interests there. hi
              P.S. Kharkov and Mariupol 100 pounds would support our green men.
              Quote: avt
              Regional Donetsk and Kharkov did not THROUGH him in the Crimean scenario either!
              So in the Crimea deputies were kicked, and this is when overwhelming public support. Deputies almost all b .. (corrupt women), and everywhere. And we have the same thing.
              1. avt
                avt 6 November 2015 11: 12 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Who is geopolitically the winner, only honestly?

                We would benefit, we would not be hysterical.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                green men.

                Polite people! Let's not stamp liberoid chants.
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                So in the Crimea deputies were kicked, and this is with the overwhelming support of the population. Deputies almost all b .. (corrupt women), and everywhere. And we have the same thing.

                I mean green, and you answer me - “So sour.” Why is venality and cowardice when it comes to the LEGAL PROCEDURE, which was FULFILLED IN THE CRIMEA?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                We respond to strikes, not the first to hit.
                It was with Crimea that they hit and clearly hit the target, and in the East they would fly with unpredictable consequences precisely because of the unpreparedness of such a strike, at least de jure.
    4. Victorio
      Victorio 5 November 2015 22: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Shick
      Anyway, it seems that even if you disagree with Putin, you’re all a liberal, a liar and a traitor ..

      ======
      near Putin, a crowd of associates is spinning, it’s mainly they who decide who is a liberal, who is a liar, and who is a traitor
  • Rusich is not from Kiev
    Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 06: 10 New
    +3
    Everything is sensible and clear. So roughly it was except one. He has long had another commander in chief, from about the moment the RF Armed Forces did not enter Ukraine. The mission was failed.
    1. Eragon
      Eragon 5 November 2015 07: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: Rusich not from Kiev
      Everything is sensible and clear. So roughly it was except one. He has long had another commander in chief, from about the moment the RF Armed Forces did not enter Ukraine. The mission was failed.

      No need to make an angel or a demon out of a person. Apparently he is an idealist and adventurer. Moreover, the idealist in the first place. Guided by his ideals, he did what he did with a group of like-minded people, sincerely believing that this was the only right decision. And when he was not supported, he was just as sincerely offended. But only Strelkov forgot that the road to hell was paved with good intentions. Gregory Principle, shooting at Sarajevo, also sincerely believed that he was bringing freedom to the Serbs. And how did it end, you need to remind? And, after all, not only the First World War, but also the revolution in Russia, and the Second World War (it has long been proven that all these are consequences of the First World War). In fact, one shot of the idealist completely changed the world. Strelkov would like to advise: before applying his ideals - think, at least a couple of moves ahead, to what they can lead.
      1. Victor Kamenev
        5 November 2015 08: 01 New
        31
        To believe that the shot of Gavrila Princip became the cause of the World War is not nonsense, it is the message of many "historians" who want to shift the responsibility for the blood from criminal politicians to some idealists. Gavrila's shot was just a pretext for war, they would have found another.

        The shooters are also not the reason, just an episode of events in the Donbass. Donetsk and Lugansk were also in the hands of the militia, so the clash with the junta was inevitable, although it would have happened differently.
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 5 November 2015 08: 22 New
          -3
          Quote: Victor Kamenev
          To believe that Gavrila Princip's shot caused the World War is not nonsense, it is the shame of many "historians" who want to shift the responsibility for blood from criminal politicians to some idealists. Gavrila's shot was just a pretext for war, they would have found another.

          So no one ever said that the Principle is the culprit of the beginning of the First World War. But the fact that for Germany this shot became the reason for the war is unconditional. Germany so wanted. And the battles for Slavyansk did not become a pretext for a war between Russia and Ukraine, which could well have grown into the Last World War. So Russia wanted.
          As for other reasons ... Of course they would. But already a little at another time, the conditions changed a bit, prepared a little better ... Or maybe Russia and Germany would become allies.
          1. Morrrow
            Morrrow 5 November 2015 09: 16 New
            0
            Why is Germany a burden?
            1. Eragon
              Eragon 5 November 2015 23: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Morrrow
              Why is Germany a burden?

              A counter question - why did Poartales need two notes (one in case of refusal of the Russian Empire from mobilization, and the second in case of consent to refusal to mobilize), which he, apparently in complete shock from the mission being performed, gave both to Samsonov? And Samsonov had to give him the "unnecessary" option while the German ambassador was crying at the window. Historical fact, however. And meaningful.
              1. Eragon
                Eragon 6 November 2015 20: 23 New
                0
                Oops belay I repent recourse having been drunk. Of course, not Samsonov, but Sazonov. And the notes - one in case of refusal of Russia to mobilize, and the second in case of continued mobilization.
                But it is very strange that no one has yet made comments request
          2. Turkir
            Turkir 5 November 2015 10: 14 New
            +8
            But the fact that for Germany this shot became the reason for the war is unconditional.

            That's right. Reason and reason are two different things.
            And without the shot of Gavrilo Principle, a schoolboy, the war would have begun. Germany was preparing for this BEFORE his assassination attempt.
            How is Krylov about the wolf and the sheep - "It's your fault that I want to eat"
      2. Rusich is not from Kiev
        Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 20: 15 New
        -1
        Quote: Eragon
        Apparently he is an idealist and adventurer. Moreover, the idealist in the first place. Guided by his ideals, he did what he did with a group of like-minded people, sincerely believing that this was the only right decision. And when he was not supported, he was just as sincerely offended. But only Strelkov forgot that the road to hell was paved with good intentions. G

        Sorry, but you described d.u.r.a.ka. How is it fashionable for such a person to entrust something important if he is offended like a young lady? But he blamed the warriors on himself and took the militias out of resentment too?))
        Quote: Eragon
        Gregory Principle, shooting at Sarajevo, also sincerely believed that he was bringing freedom to the Serbs. And how did it end, you need to remind? And, after all, not only the First World War, but also the revolution in Russia, and the Second World War (it has long been proven that all these are consequences of the First World War). In fact, one shot of the idealist completely changed the world.

        Do you really believe in this? That the Principle himself thought up and implemented all this? Well, you need to put up a monument for naivety.
        Quote: Eragon
        Strelkov would like to advise: before applying his ideals - think, at least a couple of moves ahead, to what they can lead.

        Some uncles just need to stop funding the Strelkov project and everything will be fine.
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 5 November 2015 23: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
          How is it fashionable for such a person to entrust something important if he is offended like a young lady?

          And who told you that someone trusted him something? Judging by the past events, this was his PERSONAL initiative, not supported by any of the "top".
          Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
          What is the principle that he himself thought up and implemented?

          Read the story, but not the textbooks, but more serious things. If you need sources - in PM.
          Quote: Rusich is not from Kiev
          Some uncles just need to stop funding the Strelkov project and everything will be fine.

          At least one "source" of funding is in the studio.
          1. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 6 November 2015 05: 49 New
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            Quote: Eragon
            And who told you that someone trusted him something? Judging by the past events, this was his PERSONAL initiative, not supported by any of the "top".

            We need to listen more carefully to Strelkov himself. He recruited a team in the Crimea, what about the announcement? He was offered a choice of several cities, he chose Slavyansk where 150 local peasants were waiting for him. These are his words. How did he know that? From the news?
            Well, the most important thing. In the net, the SBU posted a lot of intercepted calls to Strelka, where he reports on the operation. No one has denied these records, moreover, after them Strelkov announced who he is and what his goals are publicly.
            Seriously claiming that ordinary people could recruit 50 people with experience themselves, could transport them, get weapons without the help of big uncles is just ridiculous. This is the same as the Ukrainians say. that Maidan they themselves organized and fed them Kievans.


            Quote: Eragon
            Read the story, but not the textbooks, but more serious things. If you need sources - in PM.

            So you just from history textbooks have described. Everything is known about the Principle. It was connected with the Serbian intelligence, and through it it is possible with the Austro-Hungarian. The warrior wanted everything and needed an excuse. So they decided to kill a man who was against the warriors. but at the same time the pretext appeared. And then after the murder, no one declared a warrior, but they all wanted to decide peacefully, but everyone was against it, including the Serbs. The pretext for the warrior was the fact that the Serbs refused to let the investigators into their territory to investigate this murder. They agreed to everything (even to dismiss officers from the lists), but this seemed to be a natural condition they refused to accept. By the way, the Principle was not even executed.

            Quote: Eragon
            At least one "source" of funding is in the studio.

            How do you imagine it? I’m not a bragger. For more than a year now, a person has traveled around the country, rented rooms for briefings, holds round tables, and is published in various newspapers. All this requires money and considerable. Does he either spend his or his people gather))
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  • domokl
    domokl 5 November 2015 06: 11 New
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    Better late than never. I completely agree with the author. Only one additional thing ... Strelkov was in Donbass. Girkin has already appeared in Russia. Not only different surnames, but also different people in relation to them. One, though an adventurer, is an organizer of defense and a participant in battles. The second is indeed the leader of the "Putin leaked" party.
    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
      Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 06: 25 New
      +7
      Well, not quite an adventurer. Big people sent him there and apparently gave guarantees. He himself went nuts when he had to fight as an adult. We must pay tribute to Slavyansk, he fought well.
      1. Yuri Y.
        Yuri Y. 5 November 2015 07: 11 New
        -5
        Quote: domokl
        There was Strelkov in the Donbass. Girkin has already appeared in Russia.

        You precisely formulated this phenomenon. I have repeatedly expressed my opinion and will not be repeated. There was an image created in part by the author as he admits. Here is a real person with actions in Russian political realities and we know some of their sides.
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  • dvg79
    dvg79 5 November 2015 06: 16 New
    0
    It was not in vain that Strelkov’s White Guard hobbies alerted me at the time, but at first it was thought that games were games, and life and war were completely different. But over time, it became clear that the tone went the curve of their idols, not understanding why they were defeated then and why this path was disastrous for Russia now.
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 5 November 2015 06: 23 New
      +2
      this path is disastrous for Russia now.

      And ... what kind of path is this, disastrous for Russia? There were normal people on both sides, just ... Ah, I understand and agree - "This WAY is disastrous for Russia now." laughing
    2. Mangel olys
      Mangel olys 5 November 2015 08: 58 New
      -2
      Yes, he is a terry monarchist. Even Mozgovoy was dusted with brains with changing clothes in ours, then in whites.
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  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 November 2015 06: 25 New
    +3
    The author plus for the courage to admit his mistake. I agree with Domocles in full (as with the author). And how many minuses were criticizing Girkin!
  • populist
    populist 5 November 2015 06: 29 New
    +5
    Theologians say that the greatest sinners are priests, ...

    Interesting idea!
    Perhaps it is correct, Only no one ever repeats it.
    In this regard, the question ... Who, when and where expressed this idea?
    The idea is quite original, even very ...
    The main servants of the Lord are the main violators of his commandments!
    Yes, who will believe them after that?
  • Ultima15
    Ultima15 5 November 2015 06: 34 New
    11
    The author is wrong in principle. The Kremlin has a wide front, the influence of which is largely subject to power. The front is far from such concepts as patriotism and state interests; they were satisfied with the status of Russia as a world gas station. It was these people who prevented the reunification of the Russian world in 2014. Now it will be hardly possible, time is lost. Those same relatives of Ukrainians mobilized and killed during the war will now definitely not have warm feelings for Russia. Chance 2014 is a collection of the Russian world according to the Crimean scenario. It was possible to take Kharkov and Odessa, leaving Kiev and Bandera without the Russian-speaking population and industrial potential. Now it's too late to do it. And spitting on Strelkova’s back is a game to the front’s hand, conscious or not.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 06: 35 New
      -3
      Quote: Ultima15
      The Kremlin has a wide front,

      And when was the last time you were in the Kremlin?
      1. Ultima15
        Ultima15 5 November 2015 06: 47 New
        +7
        Well, it has begun ... Are you sure of the monolithic and patriotic nature of such a large structure as the Kremlin? Let me remind you that there are such patriotic people as A. Chubais, N. Belykh, and even the newly employed Serdyukov nearby. The frond is real and for thinking people its existence is a fact.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 09: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Ultima15
          Let me remind you that there are such patriotic people as A. Chubais, N. Belykh, and even the newly employed Serdyukov nearby.

          None of them are in the Kremlin.
          1. samara-58
            samara-58 5 November 2015 14: 22 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Ultima15
            The Kremlin has a wide front,

            And when was the last time you were in the Kremlin?
          2. tomket
            tomket 5 November 2015 15: 32 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            None of them are in the Kremlin.

            Apparently Serdyukov got to Rostec after going through tough stages of interviews. and Vasilyeva escaped to freedom and Putin is looking for her))))))
          3. VSC
            VSC 5 November 2015 16: 59 New
            +6
            "None of them are in the Kremlin." Physically. It means absolutely nothing.
      2. tomket
        tomket 5 November 2015 15: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And when was the last time you were in the Kremlin?

        And Serdyukov with Vasily is not a litmus test for you?
    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 5 November 2015 06: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: Ultima15
      It was possible to take Kharkov and Odessa, leaving Kiev and Bandera without the Russian-speaking population and industrial potential.


      Or maybe it would be better to take Kiev to the heap ?!
      1. Ultima15
        Ultima15 5 November 2015 06: 49 New
        +7
        Kiev is no longer with us. If in Donetsk the Russians were loyally overwhelming, in Odessa there were just a lot of people - then in Kiev we would be spat on the back. Left-bank Ukraine is lost for us. Now, with the frenzied policy of Ukrainization, everything else that we did not take in 2014 will be lost.
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 5 November 2015 06: 54 New
          0
          Are you naive or a provocateur ?! In your opinion, it turns out that it was necessary to declare war on Ukraine, otherwise how else could it be "to take Kharkov and Odessa ..." ?!
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 5 November 2015 22: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: B.T.W.
            Are you naive or a provocateur ?! In your opinion, it turns out that it was necessary to declare war on Ukraine, otherwise how else could it be " take Kharkov and Odessa... "?!

            ====
            it is also possible as it was in Lugansk and Donetsk, initially most of the residents there did not support the coup, which means that the same scenario could work. or maybe there was a preparation / attempt, but something did not work
        2. V.ic
          V.ic 5 November 2015 08: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Ultima15
          Left Bank Ukraine is lost for us.

          Dnieper reversed its waters?
        3. Uncle VasyaSayapin
          Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 November 2015 09: 29 New
          +2
          Once the left bank is lost, so at least Troieschina with Rusanivka is occupied, and the Hydropark. smile
        4. tomket
          tomket 5 November 2015 15: 33 New
          0
          Quote: Ultima15
          Kiev is no longer with us.

          No one has canceled the deportation. And the columns of refugees could reach the borders with Poland))))
    3. Victor Kamenev
      5 November 2015 08: 17 New
      11
      Chubais and Belykh do not work in the Kremlin, and patriotism does not mean always and everywhere looking for trouble. Regarding the "reunification of the Russian world" in 2014 ... I hope that you simply do not know (and did not know) the situation in Ukraine. I have friends in Donetsk, we still call each other. So, in the most brutal battles near Donetsk there were people who were waiting for Bandera as liberators, and believed that we were shelling ourselves. Only now the situation has changed, they finally saw the light. This applies to all of Ukraine.

      With the introduction of troops, there would be no "reunification"; they would accuse us that we prevented them from becoming Europe.
      Therefore, the possibility of "reunification", on the contrary, increases, and those who died in battles are on the conscience of the junta, and not the militias who defended their land and freedom.
      1. I am Russian
        I am Russian 5 November 2015 18: 56 New
        +1
        With the introduction of troops, there would be no "reunification"; they would accuse us that we prevented them from becoming Europe.


        Did friends from Donetsk tell you this too?
      2. Evil Kind
        Evil Kind 5 November 2015 23: 52 New
        -1
        I completely agree. The presented Freedom is not valued, but the conquered is another matter, for it in the next generations there will be throats to tear, because. expensive given!

        Ukraine should get sick with fascism and our 90s in a tough form, no matter how cynical it may sound, otherwise they will make the same mistakes again and again, they should have immunity. As a person, I feel sorry for people. But for example, statesmen (Putin, Ivanov, Shoigu, etc.) do not have the right to reason in such categories "it is not worth a child's tears", "little brothers" otherwise they are worthless.

        If we brought in troops, we would have to completely take on the economic burden of Ukraine (I am silent about how we would be accused of occupation, Georgia in 2008 would not make any comparison, despite the fact that we immediately sent troops out), Europe and the USA they would wash their hands, and we would definitely not be able to pull the whole Ukraine, and their expectation of a standard of living would not be like in Russia, but like in Europe ... would you like to feed my little brothers? Ukrainians with us would have pushed around, would have got nishtyakov at the beginning (we would not have had enough money for that) and again rushed to Europe (Maidan-Reboot, part 3).
        Remember, their expectations do not coincide with our capabilities, and even with the capabilities and most importantly the wants of Europe. They need to be realistic. The 90s, for example, helped us a lot in this, I am "grateful" to them and at the same time really grateful for this.
        A spoiled child is very rarely grateful to his parents when he is deprived of the usual benefits (cheap gas, bad loans, investments, preferences, etc.). But it is time to let him go into real life so that he becomes an adult.
        So let go .....
  • parusnik
    parusnik 5 November 2015 06: 39 New
    -1
    From Strelkov decided to make a new Bonopart, Strelkov seduced .. Sorry ..
    1. edmed
      edmed 5 November 2015 06: 52 New
      +3
      "This is how worldly glory passes" Let us recall General Lebed, how he began and how he ended.
  • Leonid1976
    Leonid1976 5 November 2015 06: 52 New
    +9
    The author is wrong. The capture of Slavyansk and the blocking of the city by Ukrainian troops were before Odessa. The war with artillery, tanks and aircraft began there. All that was before this is the usual intra-Ukrainian showdown. Donetsk oligarchies fully controlled the situation and tried to get the best starting positions before the start of negotiations. The purpose of autonomy with their power, plus the preservation of subsidies from Kiev to Donbas. The region has always been unprofitable. Akhmetov and the company were not in vain called the owners of Donbas. So I would listen to Strelkov’s opinion. This is not pride. He is telling the truth. This is how he will live with this truth, this is a question. Well, who directed it. Someday we'll find out.
    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
      Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 07: 01 New
      13
      How can a region be unprofitable if it provides 20% of GDP and 25% of the currency?
      1. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 5 November 2015 07: 23 New
        -17
        Can. Yes, it gave but also consumed the same percentage of imported gas in the country's total gas balance. The industry was subsidized by the low price of electricity. Mines subsidized everything. Plus, a large percentage of coal production went to digging, then they drove to the mines where it was shown that it was mined here and received subsidies for it. Only Mariupol (a port and two large plants) was profitable, and at different times Donetsk itself. Believe me, Dombass is a very specific region.
      2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 November 2015 09: 35 New
        +2
        A guy on delivery changes 99 copies for a hryvnia. Another fits: "How's the business?"
        - "I can't say for the profit yet, but the proceeds will be stunned."
    2. Victor Kamenev
      5 November 2015 08: 40 New
      +9
      Not a boy's voice, but ukrosmi. With such arguments, one can prove that the Maidan was muddied up by "volunteers" from Poland, Georgia, Canada and Syria, who hung out flags and started shooting at the end. Otherwise, even today Yanukovych would be sitting in Kiev.
      "Usual internal Ukrainian squabbles," and "her gilyaku" ... The entire Donbass had already rebelled, Strelkov's detachment arrived in Donetsk, but there was no place for him, and he went to Slavyansk, that was the disposition ...

      The atrocities of the junta in the towns of Donbass, in Mariupol, Kharkov, and the most terrible in Odessa caused bitterness, many ordinary militiamen spoke about this. Understand that we must fight. This is hushed up, and Bandera propagandists will be silent on, in order to blame everything on Strelkova. Especially since he himself called himself ... Napoleon.
      1. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 5 November 2015 10: 48 New
        -16
        There are many words, but it is difficult to find what to answer. What atrocities, Kiev did not have control over Dombass. The cops are all Donetsk. Then they went over to the side of the DPR en masse. Criminality year controlled by local dons. There is nothing to argue that the war began in Slavyansk? Before that, they did not even try to storm the captured buildings. "Alpha" was demoralized and effective troops after the presidency of Yanyk hardly recruited 5 thousand. For those who sincerely believe in the atrocities of the junta, a little chronology.
        March 03, the seizure of the regional administration in Donetsk. The bloody junta did not kill any of the assailants. The cops quietly merged.
        March 13 - dispersal of the pro-Ukrainian rally by pro-Russian activists. A member of the local "Svoboda" Dmitry Chernyavsky was killed with a knife. 10 people in the hospital.
        April 12 Strelkov in Slavic. Kiev is trying to use special services. Nobody still believes in war.
        On April 19, the assassination of Vladimir Rybak, the only brave deputy in Gorlovka, who tried to remove the DNR flag from the City Council. The corpse was found in a river with a ripped belly.
        April 28 is the last pro-Uraine rally in Donetsk. It was dispersed by pro-Russian activists with complete inaction of the police. 5 people in the hospital. From that moment, there were no people wishing to go to pro-Ukrainian rallies. Apart from the parade of prisoners, arranged by Zakharchenko.
        May 02, Odessa. You from Russia certainly know better than to me from Odessa what happened there, so I won’t even waste time. The consequence of these events was that in Odessa, its own people's republic did not appear with all its charms.
        02 start of hostilities in the Slavic. Something like this.
        1. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 5 November 2015 23: 34 New
          +5
          Sorry . that for a year and a half you did not want to comprehend what is happening and you started your dates not from Maidan, but for some reason from Donetsk.

          I’ll say quickly about Odessa. Kulikovo field stood for several months and no republics took place, there were no separatist slogans, there were not even clashes between activists. And then it suddenly turns out that if there weren’t a republic, according to your fantasies, you had to burn a hundred people (not 50, namely a hundred), and then kill activists throughout the city within a month. It’s right not to waste time analyzing the situation, but go straight to the CENSOR.
        2. Evil Kind
          Evil Kind 6 November 2015 00: 12 New
          +2
          "The bloody junta did not kill anyone !?" So the pravoseki coped well with this, the convoy of buses with pro-Russian protesters on their way back to the Crimea and stopped by pravosek forgot and not only that.
          And you proceed from the information known to you at the moment, but you must proceed from what information people had in those days. Plus word of mouth "on one side of the village farted, on the other they are already talking crap", excuse my French. In fact, there was 1 killed, and rumors say that there were piles of them. The main thing is how people perceived at that time.
        3. Serg81
          Serg81 6 November 2015 14: 27 New
          +1
          yeah yeah finally there was nothing and in Kharkov, where I live, there was nothing. how Beletsky and his comrades killed three in the square and on Plekhanovskaya, was not there either. The Poltava residents also didn’t capture the regional council then they threw them out of there on March 1. There was no attempt to demolish Lenin either.
          About Vladimir Rybak - this is another question who killed him.
          I didn’t hear about the rallies in Donetsk and Lugansk, but you probably don’t know how there the Svoboda people fired from Kalash’s Kalash and it was in March. About the murder you tell the Svobodovites how unarmed they were, there is a video from that rally and there many had weapons, knives and batons.
          You wrote about the paratroopers with whom, so in Ukraine there are no airborne forces, but there are airmobile troops, so you tell them to let them carry out decommissioning, otherwise they took a vest and a slogan from the USSR, and ask them how they mocked the locals and how they don’t get grandmas for the war, wish them.
          As for Odessa, it’s better to see from Russia what happened and where the detained cops were, where the detainees who shot and explain to me Karl how it happened that some cops had red blindfolds and others didn’t, like Karl, peaceful fans suddenly got pistols and gasoline and empty beer bottles into which they poured it. And like Karl, all those who shot and appeared on the video died immediately or over time.
          1. Travian
            Travian 6 November 2015 14: 43 New
            0
            Kharkov !!! do not betray Russia! You are a Russian city!
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 5 November 2015 06: 54 New
    -5
    There is no gas in Ukraine, otherwise the media reformatted public opinion about the protection of the brotherly people, the ancestral lands there, would have brought many convincing arguments and many people, as in 2014, would have supported all of this in a single outburst :-) Roughly speaking, there is no highly liquid asset that would have all this compensated
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 5 November 2015 08: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: sa-ag
      There is no gas in Ukraine, otherwise the media reformatted public opinion about the protection of the fraternal people there

      Oh my little Kazakhstani troll. You look, I don’t throw the shit in the direction of Russia, you can’t even live a day. You confused the USA with Russia.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 5 November 2015 19: 05 New
        +1
        You, Alexander Romanov, constantly emphasize that the site is a media outlet, but express yourself on the fence ...
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 November 2015 09: 39 New
      0
      Ukraine also drove abroad raw materials: grain and ore. So they lived.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 5 November 2015 06: 54 New
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    Strelkov is a man of action and principles. In Crimea, I saw Igor Vsevolodovich, a humble man, fulfilling the duty of a patriot. In this, he favorably differed from the horde of anointed people. In the Donbass, OUR people are even more worthy of life in Russia than Crimeans.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 5 November 2015 09: 26 New
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      Quote: samarin1969
      In Crimea, I saw Igor Vsevolodovich

      And who is it ?
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 5 November 2015 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        Quote: samarin1969
        In Crimea, I saw Igor Vsevolodovich

        And who is it ?

        Damn a strange reaction! I seriously have no idea who Igor Vsevolodovich is! Maybe another incarnation of Girkin? So it’s like they called Ivanovich ... request
        1. 0255
          0255 5 November 2015 12: 53 New
          +6
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: Bayonet
          Quote: samarin1969
          In Crimea, I saw Igor Vsevolodovich

          And who is it ?

          Damn a strange reaction! I seriously have no idea who Igor Vsevolodovich is! Maybe another incarnation of Girkin? So it’s like they called Ivanovich ... request

          Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin - real name, Igor Ivanovich Strelkov - a pseudonym
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 5 November 2015 13: 15 New
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            Quote: 0255
            Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin - real name

            Thank you!
  • stappler 2
    stappler 2 5 November 2015 06: 58 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    And from our site, not a few people were there, it was they who went and participated. Only they did not go there after a career.

    hey, hitroplanovtsy, I’m telling you ... what happened, but there was a missed moment in 2014, when the usya ukroarmiya and its officers
    were ready to go under jurisdiction following the example of the Crimea, it was necessary to protect the Russian population, to send troops to the Donbass-not done, then a bunch of shouts in the Donbass, so as not to go under Russia, what happens is in power
    In Donetsk, the Akhmetovites, who returned from Kiev, will return the republics to dill,
    and will be in the near. In the future, the discrediting of the authorities and the militia movement in the republics is all with the grave consent of our great strategist. with respect.
    1. Travian
      Travian 6 November 2015 15: 37 New
      0
      the moment was missed not by us but by the Russians in Ukraine. "Ukroarmiya ukroarmiya and its officers were ready to go under the growing jurisdiction" - there was no need to wait for the Russian bear to tumble into "independent" dill and give the West a reason to officially declare the Russian aggressor. It was necessary in Kharkiv, Kherson, Nikolaev, and elsewhere to raise the flags of independence and throw off the yellow-white (Swedish) flags from the administrative buildings, then neither any junta would have done anything. And Russia has already helped not only the DPR and LPR, but let's say Little Russia. But this did not happen, and it becomes clear that the population of these regions does not see themselves with Russia (((And the officers are far from all for Russia. And there are many enemies, as it turns out, with many years of experience hating Russia
  • Ultima15
    Ultima15 5 November 2015 07: 06 New
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    BTV, what do you want? The President had a mandate to use force abroad. Our version could look like this: Yanukovych announces in Donetsk that he is the only legitimate president of Ukraine and asks for help to restore constitutional order in his country, captured by fascist gangs. He didn't. But taking advantage of his hypothetical conversion, we had a real chance to restore the Russian world. Now he is lost, we took what we took and nothing more. All blah-blah-blah about what would have happened and about the "cunning plan" - nothing more than a PR search. The country did this and not otherwise. The influence of the Fronde in a number of places turned out to be stronger than the influence of the patriotic camp in the Kremlin. He described his vision of the situation, period. I am not naive or a provocateur. And, as I see, many people on VO are close to my point of view.
    1. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 5 November 2015 07: 15 New
      +8
      Quote: Ultima15
      Yanukovych announces in Donetsk that he is the only legitimate president of Ukraine and asks for help to restore constitutional order in his country, captured by gangs of fascists. He did not.


      That is precisely why we could not "take Kharkov, Odessa", etc. Yanukovych was offered to do so. I remember that in Donbass they were waiting for him on the May holidays, but his own skin turned out to be more expensive, he just got cold feet, and VVP spoke about this more than once.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 5 November 2015 08: 35 New
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        Quote: B.T.W.
        That is precisely why we could not "take Kharkov, Odessa", etc. Yanukovych was offered to do so.
        And who forced us to recognize the farce of "elections" in Ukraine, allowing this entire gang to be legalized, which seized power in Kiev by way of an anti-constitutional coup, also Yanukovych? Now Strelkov is referred to only as Girkin, they pour slop on him, as if he was to blame for these mistakes. It's not about Strelkov, who has become superfluous and inconvenient, and it is unlikely that Yanukovych is cowardly, our government did not dare or could not go against the position of the West, primarily the United States, which cynically and brazenly climbed into Ukraine. The interests of our gas monopolist, with their transit pipe, also obviously had their influence, although it was the protection of the "pipe" that could be an additional argument for our active intervention. And, we didn't have to take anything here, both Kharkov and Odessa, if only a signal from Moscow, would have supported Russia, the entire southeast of Ukraine was for us, the Ukrainian army was neutral and, most likely, would have gone over to our side, all the more so if there is an additional appeal from Yanukovych. Yes, not everything was simple, but this does not justify the fact that time was lost, opportunities were not used.
        1. Insurgent LC
          Insurgent LC 5 November 2015 18: 19 New
          +4
          I agree the whole thing is in the pipe, well, and we local have only to wait and look left and right, the wind can change and blow all the same = north wind = we will look with renewed vigor
    2. asiat_61
      asiat_61 5 November 2015 07: 40 New
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      In 2008, the Russian army was on the verge of Tbilisi, but Sarkozy’s call came to Medvedev and that’s all. Half-heartedness policy, not done before, is now present.
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 5 November 2015 09: 57 New
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        To occupy Georgia and feed them, what does it do against their will? And now there is another government there, which is against Saakashvili, despite the fact that he has done a lot of good for Georgia. And the people in Georgia have a good attitude towards Russians, unlike Ukrainians, which means there is, by and large, no anti-Russian propaganda and anti-Russian policy. Saakashvili, of course, is a scoundrel and an enemy of Russia, but in Georgia he developed the infrastructure, and effectively fought against corruption and crime, which was terrible in Georgia before him. It is good to capture territories when the population of these territories has a positive attitude towards this. But when another hemorrhoids is negatively obtained. They would have left Galicia Poland in due time, Ukraine would now be tuned to Russia as Belarus.
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  • maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 5 November 2015 07: 24 New
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    Now Strelkov will be "twisted and twisted" on everyone and who is not lazy! He was "installed" when a "general" was needed and removed when a politician was needed. Criticizing now is a thankless task. Time will tell.
  • Aleksiy
    Aleksiy 5 November 2015 07: 33 New
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    To read the author, so the main problem of Strelkov is THAT HE WAS, SUCH AND REMAINED. Not that people with hybrid thinking. Do not understand him with the affiliate policy and cunning dances. The question to the author, as a person who believes in HIS, Strelkov disappointed you, and the new appointment of the Gaspadin Serdyukov did not inspire you for an hour?
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 November 2015 07: 46 New
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    Yanukovych was afraid to ask for help, as a result received anti-terrorist operation and tens of thousands of victims in the Donbass. History has no subjunctive mood. What happened is what happened. The entry of troops into Czechoslovakia is still remembered! And who can calculate the consequences of the REAL entry of troops into Dill?
    Not a hypothetical introduction of mythical troops, which the valiant ukrovoyaks crushed to dust (this is not difficult when you are fighting a "shadow boxing"). And what about a real commissioning, with a complete defeat and capture of the remnants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a change in local power and - to get a devastated territory with a hostile population for many years to come? We have already understood what kind of "brothers" they are to us. By herself, by herself ...
    1. Rader
      Rader 5 November 2015 22: 41 New
      +2
      Yanukovych's problem is not that he was "afraid to ask ...", but that he DID NOT DO ANYTHING to save the country. He just took and stepped back from running the country. And then he took it and ran away ...
      The shooters did not seem to run away anywhere (they left him) and acted (fought) smoothly ... Strelkov's problem is different: he tried to get involved in politics, and he made a politician, uh ... bad. I think that Girkin and his team should pay more attention to "presenting their ideas", because "patriotic Maidans" resonate only in the hearts of liberals, while everyone else is puzzled, turning into disappointment and rejection.
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 5 November 2015 07: 55 New
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    "Hero" Strelkov-Girkin ... There is another opinion about his "heroism". Some, those who have been "there" with him, note that Igor first came there to "play" war. Precisely to play a kind of "white" - "general staff officer", as he used to play in "historical" productions on the theme of "civil war." Who sent him to Donbass, that someone had promised him, God only knows, but nevertheless, Girkin at first launched a violent activity there at first - showed himself a "white bone" - "without fear and reproach", like here he is all here he organizes and teaches everyone how to fight correctly, because behind him they say "someone is" at the top "... but suddenly ... I was surprised to find that his game in" civil war "became a reality and he turned out to be in a real civil war, it turned out that in fact, behind it "no one is" at the top ", and there is no permanent front, there are no clear instructions from above, and you have a" class-heterogeneous "enemy in front of you, but you .. . and you do not understand what rabble gathered and only some "sailor Zheleznyak" of the "Motorola" type can manage it ... for this he was urgently recalled, so to speak, "out of harm's way." Already in Russia, Girkin, instead of really weighing his affairs there in Donbass and drawing the right conclusions, and actually honestly saying "all the guys, I have played enough" war for life ", began to rush around the entire Ministry of Defense and began to teach everyone how to "live" correctly, like, look, I am a combat commander, "escaped from hell", I now have such combat experience, such experience, and you rear rats are sitting here ... Nobody could endure this for a long time, and Igor got "on the hat" once, the second .. tried to complain "myself" ... and here is a stop-riddle. Or he even got an auidency from "himself" and there he received instructions on what to do next, including "go into opposition" or, there, he also received "a hat" from "himself" and, offended, went into "opposition" "or he did not receive an aide, and therefore, he was also offended and went into the" opposition "out of offense ... Somewhere like that.
    1. Good me
      Good me 5 November 2015 10: 17 New
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      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "Hero" Strelkov-Girkin ... There is another opinion about his "heroism". Some of those who visited "there" with him note that Igor first came there to "play" war.


      Not bad, I must say "played" ... Do not remind what grouping of the ukroverrmacht "kept on" the tiny garrisons of Slavyansk and Kramatorsk?

      Thousand 30?, With heavy artillery, MLRS, aviation, tanks ... Am I mistaken?
      1. Leonid1976
        Leonid1976 5 November 2015 10: 53 New
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        :) You have little idea of ​​the size of the Ukrainian army at that time. 30 thousand fought, in mid-August, at the time of maximum success. We also needed troops in Kharkov, Perekop and on the border with Transnistria. Now there is only 60 thousand there. It is an army of 250 thousand on paper.
    2. Leonid1976
      Leonid1976 5 November 2015 10: 20 New
      -2
      Quite logical and well overlays with known facts.
    3. tomket
      tomket 5 November 2015 15: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      just play a kind of "white" - "General Staff", as he

      Are you really from the USA? If yes, then why hang out on Russian-language sites? Talk about Obama, McCain, Halloween, what do you care about the country you left for a hamburger?
    4. skobars
      skobars 13 November 2015 00: 06 New
      0
      Both on, the American mongrel barked.
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      "Hero" Strelkov-Girkin ...
      . I decided to humiliate Girkin with quotes so I will answer the same. And go yourself to play war games, without the rear and support of the country, and hold out as much time in the siege as he lasted with his fighters, and then bark.
  • Quall
    Quall 5 November 2015 07: 59 New
    -3
    Shooters wanted a big war. The meaning of all his speeches is that Russia should send troops.
    1. tomket
      tomket 5 November 2015 15: 46 New
      +5
      Quote: Kwall
      The meaning of all his speeches is that Russia should send troops.

      Must. Now, on our border, the state of Russophobes is worse than the Poles, the Baltic states, and others combined. And it is unlikely that they will be cured in the next hundred or two hundred years.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 5 November 2015 08: 16 New
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    apparently the "test of glory" did not pass ...
  • Pavlov A.E.
    Pavlov A.E. 5 November 2015 08: 26 New
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    Faced with Igor in Chechnya is a very competent and decent officer.
    1. samara-58
      samara-58 5 November 2015 14: 40 New
      +6
      Only those like you can talk about Strelkov !!! And the rest of the "birds" would be worth it!
  • 73cvb73
    73cvb73 5 November 2015 08: 50 New
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    Shooter was a symbol of New Russia, a symbol of protection.
    Was.
    Bitterly disappointed in him. But this happens, alas ..
  • Victor Kamenev
    5 November 2015 09: 06 New
    +2
    Many transfer the experience of the Crimea to Ukraine. This is more than nonsense, it is a mistake, a complete lack of knowledge of Ukraine and the situation for the 2014 year. Kiev political analyst Rostislav Ischenko, and others (Gulevich, Rogers ...) wrote a lot about the insanity in Ukraine, with whom they could not help it, had to flee to Russia. In the Russian Crimea there was a completely different situation, here they immediately understood that Nazism had taken hold in Kiev.
    Therefore, the strategy of Russia in the Crimea and in Ukraine is different, and this is a very correct, thoughtful decision. Yanukovych, in my opinion, was under the hood of the CIA and Payette, and physically.

    He not only could not raise troops, he could not protect his life, Moscow had to save. Yanukovych tried to sit on two chairs for a long time, but when it was decided in Washington, Moscow somehow brought it to him, he took the last steps on the advice of Moscow, which is why he was rescued.
    1. Morrrow
      Morrrow 5 November 2015 09: 29 New
      +9
      Blah blah blah. Russians just leaked. Like a third grade. Ossetians of all kinds were saved there. And the Russians leaked. That’s the whole truth.
      1. samara-58
        samara-58 5 November 2015 14: 43 New
        +1
        If you were there, you know better, and if not, then "blah blah blah" !!!
    2. Morrrow
      Morrrow 5 November 2015 09: 38 New
      +8
      In the Crimea there are many Tatars who saw Russia in the grave and this does not scare anyone.
    3. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 5 November 2015 10: 00 New
      +7
      Many transfer the experience of Crimea to Ukraine. This is more than stupidity, this is a mistake, a complete lack of knowledge of Ukraine and the situation by 2014 year.


      Excellent! It is illegal to squeeze a piece of a neighbor's territory, and sit with a mug "Who did it?" Are you sure that the Kremlin did not calculate all the consequences of the annexation of Crimea? They would have joined 8 regions, they believed in themselves too much, but Bra arrived and said that he would take all the Kremlin money that was in Swiss banks. Everything is ingenious and simple.

      Kiev political scientist Rostislav Ishchenko, and others (Gulevich, Rogers ...)

      These pots, for denyuzhku explain the "cunning plan" to the people, they found someone to quote. And there was no other situation in Crimea. There they could not take the Sov.min without Russian special forces, although in Donetsk, Lugansk and Kharkov the protesters themselves occupied the Regional State Administration. It's good to perform when 20 thousand Russian military men are behind you.
    4. Per se.
      Per se. 5 November 2015 10: 16 New
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      Quote: Victor Kamenev
      Many transfer the experience of Crimea to Ukraine. This is more than stupidity, this is a mistake, a complete lack of knowledge of Ukraine and the situation by 2014 year.
      Ukraine is far from a homogeneous formation, and it is a mistake to see a special Crimea and not see other special regions of Ukraine. Why is the referendum in Crimea in the presence of our "polite people" more correct and legitimate, against the referendum in Donbass, where it was held later, after the example of Crimea, and in incomparably more difficult conditions for the courage of the inhabitants? It's just that in Crimea everything was simpler and easier, if you had to take some more time, as you yourself admitted, blood would flow in Crimea, and Bandera activists would come in large numbers. What did they hold out in the southeast, didn’t extinguish it in the bud, didn’t save the Russians, as they had promised, while the Bandera’s only walked with sticks? How did it happen that the CIA outplayed our special services under our noses, bought the right people in the right place for less money? Why is it that the tongue-tied Chernomyrdin, the "hero" of useless reforms Zurabov, turns out to be the ambassador in such an important direction as Ukraine? Thank you for Crimea, but it was possible and necessary to demand referendums after the coup throughout Ukraine, especially since we had a legitimate president, and we could have created a legitimate "government in exile" right away. We did not do this, and this, most likely, is the main mistake. And the experience of Crimea is successful only because we supported and recognized the choice of Crimea in time. If it were the same with the choice of the DPR and LPR, Crimea, DPR and LPR would most likely have followed most of the regions of the southeast of the former Ukraine, in any case, they would not have received the monolithic hostile Dill, which we now have on our border, with the mainland blockade Crimea. Of course, this is easier said than done, but it was worth it, the authority and national interests of Russia and the Russians in Ukraine were worth it.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 5 November 2015 11: 38 New
        +4
        In general, I like the logic - that is, the Crimea was told in the Kremlin, we will support you, so the Crimeans were rightly thrown into the street, but Donbass was not told that, so they had to sit back at home. Here's an instruction from Moscow would have come - then yes, but no, no. But in the film about "Crimea" Putin clearly said that it was necessary to save the Crimeans. That is, at first, the Crimea seethed, and then the decision was made to introduce "polite" ones. So who is telling the truth - Putin or the author, together with Ishchenko and others ?!
        1. I am Russian
          I am Russian 5 November 2015 19: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          In general, I like the logic - that is, the Crimea was told in the Kremlin, we will support you, so the Crimeans were rightly thrown into the street, but Donbass was not told that, so they had to sit back at home. Here's an instruction from Moscow would have come - then yes, but no, no. But in the film about "Crimea" Putin clearly said that it was necessary to save the Crimeans. That is, at first, the Crimea seethed, and then the decision was made to introduce "polite" ones. So who is telling the truth - Putin or the author, together with Ishchenko and others ?!


          Well, you yourself wrote everything. So to say, "answered your own question."
  • gena555
    gena555 5 November 2015 09: 09 New
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    The ordered persecution of Strelkov continues. This is very similar to the order that such "hacks" are trying to work out and it is possible that for 30 pieces of silver. It is embarrassing and disgusting to read such articles and comments zoned with such articles. Shame and sin. Homeland. History will put everything in its place. And as for the forecasts, they often do not come true and this often happens, since politics interferes in the war. And it is not yet known what would have happened if the Ukrofascists would have decided to attack before the meeting of the Norman four. in Paris. And that a lot of "bad" things are going on in the Donbass on the side of the DPR and LPR is also no longer a secret, and that all the heroes of Novorossia were either squeezed out of Donbass or killed. And that the Ukrainian oligarchs (Akhmetov, Efremov, Royal, etc.) feel good yourself in Donbass is also not news. Turn on your brains and start thinking. And that Zakharchenko and Plotnitsky are not entirely without sin is also a fact. And Donbass, I think, will survive all this and I hope there will be those with Russia
    1. GAF
      GAF 5 November 2015 11: 52 New
      +2
      We can agree with you on the main point, but in many respects Strelkov himself is to blame. Moscow is not Slavyansk, where it was clear who was a friend and who was an enemy. You need to be more selective with your social circle. His name is used. Now the media actively associate Strelkov with Sulakshin, about whom the proverb is good: "What you were, you stayed the same." He was an accomplice of the destroyers of the USSR, now he is pouring water on the mill of the destroyers of Russia. I remember this shot from his first public speeches in the election campaign (in Tomsk 90-91 years), in support of EBN. Sweaty face of Chl. party, Ph.D. sciences, speech with a stutter, excitement either from courage, or from fright - and not hastened to expose everything and everything. Found himself in an upward flow of foam. I got into the State Duma and the professor's speech from many sciences became confident. Once betrayed, he will betray and ...
    2. I am Russian
      I am Russian 5 November 2015 19: 10 New
      +3
      and it is possible that 30 silver coins


      Just for 10000 grew. rubles.
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    4. gena555
      gena555 6 November 2015 07: 43 New
      +3
      And to the above; Comment by I. Strelkova:

      On the creation of the party: "At the scientific and practical conference, S.S. Sulakshin spoke in favor of the urgent creation of such a party and said bluntly that he would like to see me in its leadership. In addition, he firmly stated that this party" should be opposition "to Putin. He did not coordinate this statement with me.
      I agree that in the political system of the country there should be a truly oppositional party (standing on patriotic positions). at the present time it does not exist - there is only a “pseudo-opposition” playing with the authorities in “giveaway” for a “small fraction” (or considerable). I said this in my report. He also said that in the current political reality, such a party can neither be created nor registered, nor (all the more so) to be promoted to the representative bodies of power (they will be stupidly "drowned" at any stage). He spoke about the dominance of United Russia, representing the oligarchic-bureaucratic "class."
      But on the account of the fact that he intends to participate in the "desirable" opposition personally, and even more so to create it - I have not said a word about this. If I suddenly decide to participate in political activities, I will declare this myself, in my own words and openly.
      So far, no such decision has been made and, in general, it seems extremely controversial from all points of view. I listen carefully to different opinions and agree that my name can be easily used "in the dark" in the process aimed at overthrowing Putin by the 5th column. With all the sharply negative attitude towards the latest government decisions of Putin (ranging from the "creeping surrender" of Donbass and the "Syrian adventure" and ending with a sharp increase in investments in US government bonds and the ongoing defeat of health care and science), I do not think that one should participate in the work. " column ", striving to" quickly "push him off with the appointment of someone else in his place, even more" flexible "in front of the demands of the oligarchy and the West, and even an open radical liberal."
  • rustyle_nvrsk
    rustyle_nvrsk 5 November 2015 09: 23 New
    12
    The order for the Strelka website continues to work out. I hope that at least not for 10 rubles?)
  • Stepan stepanovich
    Stepan stepanovich 5 November 2015 09: 29 New
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    No comments, there are questions:
    -Article from the series "for 10000 rubles"?
    - Did it smell fried, the rating is puffy and not worth it?
    - Soon "People" will feel all the advantages of brilliant plans on their skin?
    -Phrase: "Homeland is where the ass is warm" - © again relevant?
  • Samadhi
    Samadhi 5 November 2015 09: 41 New
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    "Yes, Strelkov raised the banner of Novorossiya, but dropped it" - maybe they knocked it out? It's good that Mozgovoy hasn't been dismissed yet.
    1. tomket
      tomket 5 November 2015 15: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Samadhi
      "Yes, Strelkov raised the banner of Novorossiya, but dropped it" - maybe they knocked it out? It's good that Mozgovoy hasn't been dismissed yet.

      God bless him with the removal of Strelkov, the land rest in peace to Brain, but the question is. Doesn’t bother anyone where did Bezler go? Kremlin cleansing still had a place to be?
  • Averias
    Averias 5 November 2015 09: 48 New
    -7
    I will allow myself to note (subjectively, of course, say, from the closeness of my mind). After analyzing a bunch of resources where they write about Strelkov in one way or another. Whether they write badly or well, the most important thing is they write. Here an obvious conclusion suggests itself - PR and PR again. "The Star" Strelkov "rolls up" without having time to "shine in the sky" a big politician. For the sake of curiosity, I analyzed the behavioral "reflexes" of other "loud" people when they were "shone" by the status of obscurity and forgetfulness of the human. All one to one, laudatory articles, exposing articles and so on, and others like them, as a result, the ferment of minds in the discussion threads, shouts, screams. Here I was always surprised by the fact that people who do not have close acquaintances, have not even seen a person in person. They begin to praise or condemn his actions. Expression: "Someone else's soul - darkness" - no, it says nothing? And history knows a lot of examples when something is wrong. I talked with the Ural guys, in whose university, Strelkov performed. The phrase "did not understand" is the mildest epithet. Enough can already "tear accordions" and "sabers bend"?
    1. Averias
      Averias 5 November 2015 10: 01 New
      -4
      For minusers - minus without comment, I always consider it as the rottenness of ambition.
      1. tomket
        tomket 5 November 2015 15: 59 New
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        Quote: Averias
        For minusers - minus without comment, I always consider it as the rottenness of ambition.

        Would you immediately hang Vlasov, or would engage in polemics with him?))))
        1. Averias
          Averias 5 November 2015 18: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: tomket
          Would you immediately hang Vlasov, or would engage in polemics with him?))))

          An analogy from the field of delirium of a sick person. And since I haven’t received a single intelligible justification of the minus, as well as not a intelligible one. That conclusion suggests itself (this is about the rottenness of ambition). And judging by the rest of the commentators who got minuses - I put the minus because - because the minus. Do not make an idol. And here I understand - they created an idol. And even, almost canonized in absentia. Well, time will tell.
  • provincial
    provincial 5 November 2015 10: 12 New
    10
    All the guys don’t boil your brain, Strelkov did his job. Now he is a story, unlike you. His friends and enemies will remember him, and you?
  • Pimply
    Pimply 5 November 2015 10: 25 New
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    “The revolution is how the god Saturn devours his children. Be careful, the gods crave. " (c) Pierre Vernault
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 5 November 2015 10: 27 New
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    So it seems that Syria and the tragedy in the sky of Egypt are on the agenda, so why such articles have surfaced recently. Who needs Strelkov and in connection with what exactly? Who is the customer of his vilification in our eyes? Round after round they wind noodles on our ears, not at all embarrassed even by video documentary recording of those events. Allows you to decompose everything that happened in chronological order. Who captured what, said, promised, signed, deceived Everything is fixed and accessible to everyone who wants to refresh the memory of the days of the past. As for the personality of Strelkov himself, I would like to add that he has always consistently defended the interests of the state and the people of Russia, as it was in Transnistria, in Chechnya and then in Donbass. So all this dirt about playing "war" is not serious and not decent.
  • bbss
    bbss 5 November 2015 10: 45 New
    -2
    Everything has its time. It appeared on time, organized, inspired, served as a "banner" and ... his time is over.
  • Roy
    Roy 5 November 2015 10: 47 New
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    No matter how the liberal media and custom-made vile bastards like Kurginyan poured mud over this person, Igor Ivanovich Strelkov will forever remain in the minds of our people as a warrior, hero and a man of Russian principles, who in fact has shown himself in battles for Russian land. Glory to the New Russia! Glory to the heroes!
  • bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 5 November 2015 10: 50 New
    +7
    Article is garbage. Firstly, the right-wingers started under the Kramatorsk war, killing hundreds of people under the floor who thought that an army column was coming and wanted to stop it. They started shooting at them from afar and without warning. May 2 was a warning, since it is impossible to hide the dispersal in Odessa, the city is large, everything is in sight. They staged an intimidation action. Strelkov was already in Donetsk. Putin is certainly the commander in chief, but when the war is on, civilians are evacuated from the frontline zone. Where is the evacuation? Do not confuse Putin in the Donbass deal. There, people run lower ranks. With them, and demand.
    1. Good me
      Good me 5 November 2015 11: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: bogdan4ik
      Do not confuse Putin in the Donbass deal. There, people run lower ranks. With them, and demand.


      Do not lead to absurdity. Here is WHO, who appointed these "lower-ranking managers", and WHO should ask them?

      Again Pushkin? ? ?
    2. Leonid1976
      Leonid1976 5 November 2015 13: 08 New
      -6
      What fifty? Do you even understand how big the collision should be for 50 corpses to be. What is the right hand column? Until the PS volunteer corps appeared, it was generally a phantom. With incomprehensible financing. I haven’t even heard that from Kiselyov. Confirm with some facts. Who links to the site Russian Spring, etc. At least there should be something in the VO archive. Or she also cleaned up the junta. Back in April, civilians disarmed a column of airborne forces of the type. The soldiers were afraid to shoot. I look at the four poles. Probably people who put pluses for such a comment, put pluses for inscriptions on fences.
      1. Serg81
        Serg81 6 November 2015 14: 43 New
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        You should be reminded of the corpses for Easter 2014, when the dogs and rabbis were shot at the roadblock, or how people who were stopped by convoys at all were shot at night, you also forgot. And once again in Ukraine there are no airborne forces, but there are airmobile troops.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 5 November 2015 10: 51 New
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    I wrote about him several articles on “VO”, enthusiastic, contributed to the creation of his heroic image


    Strelkov does not need to create the image of a hero, he is already a hero who has earned this title in real battles for the Russian world. But the one who spoke with a tear in his voice about this world in February-March of 2014, a year and a half already, he got water in his mouth. In the spring and summer, 2014 was the genocide of peaceful Russian people, and their main guardian did not even say a word of condolences to them, as if nothing had happened.
    So Strelkov has the right to say what he sees fit, he deserves this right. And unlike the main commanders, he says exactly what he really thinks - and this is a wonderful quality - it is clear what he wants and what to expect from him (whether you agree with him or not).
    I will never be afraid to turn my back on Strelkov, but I will NEVER turn my back on the main commanders - who knows what they will do in the name of "higher interests" and strategic defense "
    1. tomket
      tomket 5 November 2015 16: 02 New
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      Quote: Aleksander
      and their chief guardian did not even say a word of condolences to them, as if nothing had happened.

      There was a weighty Putin silence, from which the whole world trembled in horror.
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 5 November 2015 11: 06 New
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    And when the commander-in-chief gave the order to switch to strategic defense in Ukraine, when the decision on the possible deployment of troops was canceled, Strelkov did not obey this order, began to challenge the new strategy of Moscow. In general, the constant confrontation of Strelkov with people representing Putin in Donetsk, the conventional “Surkovs”, already raised questions: after all, they were the “real Putin” in Donetsk ...

    The order was on April 24, when Strelkov was already digging into Slavyansk with might and main - did you think you had to immediately surrender the city and flee to Russia ?! So the bulk of the Slavic militias were local. DNR was formed on April 7. They, too, had to be surrendered to the ukronatsiks from punitive battalions for fun ?!
    Kurginyan in Donetsk - "the real Putin" wassat
    PS It would be better to talk about the struggle of the Pasechnik and Plotnitsky in the LPR, since there are so many sources from there. Or replacement of curators in LDNR at present. This is much more relevant than the next spit in the direction of Strelkova.
    1. Good me
      Good me 5 November 2015 11: 37 New
      +8
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      PS It would be better to talk about the struggle of the Pasechnik and Plotnitsky in the LPR, since there are so many sources from there. Or replacement of curators in LDNR at present. This is much more relevant than the next spit in the direction of Strelkova.


      About Lugansk, maybe they will tell you, but the undercover fuss with the Kremlin curators is TABOO, and it’s unlikely, something essential and important can "leak" ...
  • Nikita Gromov
    Nikita Gromov 5 November 2015 11: 25 New
    11
    Igor Ivanovich Strelkov is a true hero and patriot. No filth and no dirt can denigrate him. Glory to Russia! Glory to the New Russia!
  • kaschey
    kaschey 5 November 2015 11: 58 New
    14
    Shooters are an inconvenient person for the authorities, he does everything at an inconvenient time for the authorities and in an inconvenient place, only Crimea "almost" coincided. It's like a team game of cards, when a player from your team makes moves that are inconvenient for you and constantly forces you to change your plans and the game is not over yet. I just want to say that if a year and a half ago the energy of such people as Strelkov across the Crimea, both on the peninsula and beyond, had not united, then Russia would not have had Crimea either. To throw mud at any person, even with whom you disagree on something, is not decent. Shooters as they are. And the primary task of the authorities is not to sow mud, but to find application for such extraordinary personalities for the good of the people of Russia.
  • 23424636
    23424636 5 November 2015 12: 00 New
    10
    very closely followed Strelkov’s actions. Why Slavyansk and Kramatorsk? Kramatorsk, the birthplace of Pshonka and Bliznik with Bogatyreva, is a real springboard for the regionals Slavyansk is the patrimony of the son of Azarov, but this is not enough rear - a hundred km to the border with Russia. When there was a question about small arms, Strelkov evasively answered that it comes from Soledar, a warehouse for storing weapons that had been discontinued and captured and for Lendliz, but the warehouse was not seized. And nevertheless, they held back the onslaught of tanks from the Chuguev Division for more than a month and howitzer shelling from Mount Karachun is a feat that can be recorded in textbooks on tactics. The most important thing is that the residents of the cities of Konstantinovka Slavyansk Druzhkovka and Kramatorsk believed and hoped that Strelkov is Russia and for a long time, it turned out to be a little wrong.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 5 November 2015 12: 30 New
    11
    I wrote about him several articles on "VO", enthusiastic

    What happened, why did the citizen “change his shoes in flight” so sharply, and even in sync with many other “writers”? In my opinion, everything is simple, the task was to "praise the rifleman" - he was praised, now they set the task - "to drown the rifleman" - please, drown, for your money any whim. You will never be able to find out any "author's point of view" with the help of these articles, you can only find out the "current trend" in propaganda and the current prices.
    Citizens who really have their own point of view are not disappointed every five minutes, they stand their ground to the end. And only various "observers, experts and respected bloggers" are like grass in the wind, wherever it blows, and bow there.
  • vasman
    vasman 5 November 2015 14: 03 New
    10
    The author is working out his silver coins, there was information about the start of the company according to Strelkov’s slander. For me, Strelkov was and will remain a Hero, a Hero of the Russian World, as if all sorts of filth under the bullets didn’t climb him, which defended the right to unite the Russians, who turned out to be the fate of fate in a non-state called Ukraine.
  • Catafract
    Catafract 5 November 2015 14: 10 New
    +6
    this is what will happen to you if your opinion is different from the party line, and the party line is sacred!
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 5 November 2015 14: 32 New
    +9
    The main thing for the inveterate magazines is to hesitate in time with the party line. For them, anyone who is at the helm. They hesitate all their lives. Dream our story. The Tsar’s dog, Lenin, is forever alive. Stalin arrived, immediately around the enemies, about Lenin Stalin was killed, what they write, Stalin was a bloody tyrant, he ate infants for lunch and dinner, and for breakfast the unfortunate intelligentsia. They threw Khrushchev-kukuruznik, volunteer, radish, one

    them
    In a word. Brezhnev-stagnant, shyamlya, iron-chested died.


    p. Andropov, Chernenko died - they did not have time to recognize the new trends. Gobachev-Urya came, perestroika, glory to you. Gorbachev, an animal labeled by Satan, went away. Urya Yeltsin was a democrat of all Russia. Lenin, Stalin-bloody bandits. Putin, knowing that we are the most sunniest, the patriot, is the most patriotic of all patriots. The sunniest one will leave or leave and begin, see above. As with Strelkov, as well as with the rest. These lice need to be eaten from life. Therefore, these the guys will write everything that the owner will tell them. And the owner or president or the oligarch or the swindler, who was attached at the helm of the newspaper. As they say, the loot does not smell.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 5 November 2015 14: 53 New
    +2
    Shooters are inconvenient for the current situation when peace talks are ongoing. He was comfortable then. He was not touched, they watched how events would turn out, maybe for what he would have been fit. At that time, ours did not have any concrete plan. The equations had too many unknowns. Now the situation is clear and in this situation Strelkov is superfluous.
    1. blind
      blind 5 November 2015 16: 27 New
      0
      what does it mean uncomfortable? as far as I know, he does not jump at rallies and does not criticize anyone, does not yell that he was betrayed and all that. he has no political or material resources with the help of which he could do anything
  • blind
    blind 5 November 2015 16: 24 New
    11
    It seems that the author himself answered his own question why he was offended by a shooter. He says that in the beginning he exalted him, made him a kind of chegivara, a promoted leader of Novorossia, and the shooters simply fought as best he could and did not think of anything more. he does not need a throne or a monomakh hat. he still helps as best he can, but he does not have enormous resources and does not go into any politicized movements. here is the author of the article and was offended that it now looks like a hollow-mouth and his miserable analytical abilities are of no interest to anyone
  • Georg Shep
    Georg Shep 5 November 2015 18: 27 New
    +7
    Igor Ivanovich Strelkov - the hero of Novorossia and the entire Russian people. And that's it.
  • would
    would 5 November 2015 18: 41 New
    +4
    I read the post and so plainly did not understand anything. Almost the entire post is Strelkov’s unfounded slander, just stories about how wrong he is. This passage was especially amused.

    In Slavyansk, Igor Strelkov spoke of Orthodoxy, of adherence to the faith of Christ. So, from the point of view of faith, he fell a victim to the sin of pride, this is visible to the naked eye.


    I read the post a second time, it became clear that I understood everything correctly. Just an empty vilification of Strelkov and extremely clumsy written, the author needs to raise the skill clearly.
  • Letterksi
    Letterksi 5 November 2015 18: 51 New
    +4
    PR people, as the author of the article, they are! and they’re promoted when necessary, when necessary. For what they pay, they will do