In "Dry" - the remains

The uniqueness of the "Superjet" is that the design was customized to the avionics of the leading brands already produced


In early October, an important event in the life of the Russian aircraft industry took place - the hundredth Sukhoi Superjet-100 (SSJ 100) was released, and the United Aircraft Building Corporation announced a new business plan for its production and implementation to potential operators. About the successes and failures of the aircraft for which the year says a lot of words, a lot of copies break down about this topic. Let's try to calmly and impartially understand the pros and cons of the project.

Let us turn to the very origins of the creation of the "Superjet". The project of a new aircraft was conceived right after the dashing 90s - the time of lawlessness, anarchy and lack of money, which simply could not but affect the domestic aviation industry.

“Almost all the money coming from the state budget to support the aviation industry is spent on the issue of“ Superjet ”
Due to the lack of orders, design bureaus and production plants rapidly degraded, losing technology and personnel potential. In those difficult times against the background of other structures, the Sukhoi company felt much better (later this factor will play a key role in choosing the winner of the competition for the creation of a regional passenger plane). The main merit in this matter belongs primarily to the general designer of the OKB im. Sukhoi Mikhail Petrovich Simonov, who managed to make an excellent Su-27 fighter and the subsequent family of combat aircraft created at its base a great commercial product. Large contracts for it with China, India, and a little later with other countries in the absence of a state order actually saved the designers and serial manufacturers from collapse. But then this positive example was the exception rather than the rule.

By the beginning of the new millennium, all those who had to do with aviation began to realize the urgent need to consolidate industry assets. It was later, in 2006, a single United Aircraft Corporation was created, and at first other options were considered. In particular, it was proposed to go along the Chinese route, where two aircraft building corporations were already functioning. By this time, we also had two alliances, albeit informal ones: MiG - Tupolev and Sukhoi - Ilyushin. Slightly on the side was the Irkut Corporation. Although these alliances were not drawn up on paper and sealed with seals, the aircraft building structures that were part of them cooperated quite closely. For example, at the Mikhov factory in Lukhovitsy, they were seriously preparing for the launch of the production of the Tu-334 passenger liner, and only external factors did not allow this.

Mysterious contest


In the first decade after the collapse of the USSR, hundreds of airlines were formed on the wreckage of the former Aeroflot, which, with rare exceptions, operated exclusively Soviet-made aircraft. Old equipment had low reliability and no fuel efficiency. The resource of many cars came to an end, the accident rate was going through the roof. It became clear that we need new aircraft of our own production.

In "Dry" - the remains


We decided to start with the most simple and running - short-haul. Announced a contest for which two applications were submitted. The first was the ASTC. Tupolev with the project 70-local Tu-414. The second challenger was then still unknown to CJSC “Sukhoi Civil Aircraft” with the RRJ project (later SSJ 100) in two dimensions - on the 75 and 95 passengers. And here the most interesting begins.

Tupolev team went to the competition with the aircraft, which was at the stage of full-scale prototyping. CJSC “GSS” had practically nothing, except for the sketch sketches of its offspring and Napoleonic plans. If it was already possible to make accurate calculations of future technical characteristics using the Tupolev machine, then Mikhail Pogosyan, who was the general director of AVPK Sukhoi at that time, only drew bright prospects. By and large, the people of Tupolev could be indignant and protest, because their opponents did not even provide a complete set of drawings for their project, which was one of the conditions of the competition. It seems that the losing side can now tell in detail how they were then inclined to compromise and persuaded to sign the letter that they do not object to participation in the competition of GSS JSC. Apparently, the people of Tupolev believed in the victory of their project so much that they didn’t make out the dirty trick concealed in that unfortunate letter. As a result, in 2003, members of the expert council recognized the RRJ project as the winner of the competition. Calling things by their proper names, one should directly say that the process of the competition itself and its results were rather strange. On the one hand, one would not say that they were brazenly rigged. At the same time, many questions remain and the main one is: what such iron arguments influenced the decision of the members of the expert council? Is the promise of the management of the firm "Sukhoi" to begin production of the aircraft only at the expense of the company? Perhaps - for some time now, money has become a kind of fetish, before which the overwhelming majority of officials simply lose their will.

The whole world in one "jet"


What is SSJ 100 today? In reality, only a glider is completely domestic on the plane. Formally - half our engine. It is collected in Rybinsk in NPO Saturn. But this is only formal, because the key components are brought from France. In addition, for foreign customers (for example, for the Mexican airline Interjet), even the cabin is mounted abroad - in Italy. The remaining units are delivered from the USA, France, Germany, Switzerland. As a result, only 15 percent of the final cost of the product falls on Russia. Crumbs. And how, after all this, to call him Russian?

In the development process, a more than original approach was used: not components and components were designed for a new aircraft, as is customary in global practice, and the design was customized to the already produced samples of units and avionics of leading world brands. But this did not affect the increase in demand for the Russian airliner. Unlike its combat brother Su-27, the “Superjet” turned out to be not so outstanding in technical characteristics. But let us pay tribute, quite normal toiler of the sky, no better and no worse than competitors in the niche of short-haul models, primarily Embraer and Bombardier. And even for the price. Experts say the main drawback of the aircraft is its large weight and therefore increased fuel consumption.

Admittedly, childhood diseases inherent in any new model are gradually cured. Each aircraft released becomes more reliable and less capricious in operation than its predecessors. Gradually, there are airline customers wishing to have SSJ 100 in their fleet, both in our country and abroad. Although the demand, it must be admitted, is small. Contrary to the expectations and promises of the creators of the machine, none of the major airlines for various reasons, in the queue for it is not built. Even the recent collapse of the ruble did not help the project too much. Moreover, as published at MAX-2015, the production of “Superjet” in 2015 will fall to 17 compared to 36 machines in 2014 — there are no orders.

In order to win market share with products that are not very different from competitors in their qualities, you need to dump. Which, however, is now being done - SSJ 100 aircraft are sold to airlines below cost. To maintain a competitive price, the Russian government has to support the project with subsidies. This stimulates demand, but shifts the payback period of the project. But this is exactly what the authors once promised. Where are the promised thousands of sales? Today it is already obvious that this was an attempt to present what was desired. It is good, if annually they will be put into operation at least for 30 – 40 machines of this model.

As a result, SSJ 100 has become a headache for the Russian government. The loss of CJSC GSS, covered by the state, in just nine months of 2015, grew by almost five billion rubles. In fact, all the money coming from the state budget to support the aviation industry is spent on “Superjet”, which is nothing more than a waste of resources.

Tupolev shot down on takeoff


It is known that talking about past events and missed opportunities in the subjunctive mood is a thankless task. But sometimes it is extremely necessary to get to the truth and understand what we could get if the alternative was implemented. This is the only way to avoid repeating such mistakes. Discussion of the fate of the "Superjet" is just such a case.

So back in the year 2003, when that strange competition was held, and imagine that the victory was awarded to the ASTC. Tupolev. How would the situation evolve in an alternative scenario?

First of all, there would be a gain in terms of creating a car. Tupolev aircraft would go on regular lines already by 2005 – 2006 years. And the Superjet saw the sky only in 2008, and began transporting passengers in the livery of Armavia Airlines only in 2011, and this first operator later returned the aircraft to the leasing company, citing frequent car breakdowns. In other words, the delay in terms was at least five years.

Tupolev cars could land and take off from most Russian airfields. The "superjet" is incapable of this - give it airfields exclusively of the first class, of which in Russia there is a relative minority. The reason for this "capriciousness" lies in its design features, namely in the low location of the engines. During takeoff, they simply suck up all the garbage from the runway, which is fraught with serious consequences. But the Tu-414 engines are high and he is not afraid of airfields of any class.

It was planned that in case of victory at the competition, the Tu-414 and its shortened version of the Tu-324 will be produced at the Kazan aircraft factory. With such a development of events, a fully loaded and re-equipped enterprise today would be fully technically ready for the release of PAK DA. Moreover, the Tatarstan government has invested tens of millions of dollars in new production. Yes, and the staff would work in the field, and did not go to the free bread in search of a better life.

The planes of the Tupolev firm would be guided mostly by Russian components. And support for domestic producers, as is known, is not just a beautiful slogan, but also jobs at the same time with taxes paid to budgets of all levels. Naturally, in dollar terms, the new "carcass" would become noticeably cheaper than the "Superjet", which means that there would be an increased demand in foreign markets. And the more mass production, the lower the cost of production - any economist knows this.

It would be extremely unfair not to say a few words about another Tupolev development - the Tu-334, a plane with a very difficult fate. This liner, designed to carry a hundred passengers, took off in 1994-m, but has not yet reached mass production. At first, he was not liked by someone from the high authorities, later, after a dozen years, someone considered him obsolete. In addition, in the 90-e years of jet fuel was relatively cheap, so they continued to fly mostly on low-cost cars built by the Soviet. For the production of Tu-334 there was no incentive. Then, when oil products began to rise sharply, the Superjet and the Ukrainian An-148 crossed the road almost simultaneously. If the bet on the first one was made from some short-term considerations, the arrival of the second plane to Russia was due to purely political flirtations with Ukraine. As a result, today we are reaping the fruits of those mindless decisions: both models are under great political risks, their production can stop at any time.

A curious fact: at the turn of the century, the Kazan plant was also ready, but failed to put into production stopped literally at the modeling stage projects of medium transport aircraft Tu-230 / Tu-330 with the PS-90 engine already ready for them and mass-produced. Otherwise, today we would not have to start the Russian-Indian project MTA, a transport worker of the specified class, from scratch. By 2015, such aircraft would have flown at least ten years ago, and the load of the enterprise itself would have increased significantly.

Political risks are a special topic. The trouble is that they have a very negative impact on economic relations. Interestingly: did anyone consider such risks when making a decision at a well-known competition?

"Superjet" to be and change


After all this, there is a question on duty: what to do? Of course, it's a shame that everything turned out that way. After all, there was a real alternative, and then the Russian aviation industry would not have suffered. Yes, and in the sky would fly much more of our aircraft.

No matter what they say, it seems reasonable to continue the production of the Superjet, immediately making a number of significant adjustments to it. First of all, it concerns the replacement of western components with domestic ones without prejudice to the aircraft itself. For example, the chassis and part of the avionics, we can do no worse and even cheaper besides. And with the planned production on the conveyor of the elongated version of the “Superjet”, it is necessary to equip it with engines exclusively of domestic production and thereby increase the share of Russian manufacturers even more.

It would be wise with the support of the Russian government to create an independent commission of experts, which will include leading designers KB them. Tupolev and KB them. Ilyushin, having a wealth of experience and based on long-standing traditions of designing and building passenger aircraft. And set the task - to thoroughly study the design of the SSJ 100, and then make specific proposals for its refinement to improve the flight and economic characteristics. The creators of the aircraft themselves should not stand aside, but work together with the members of the commission, understanding that the success of the business largely depends on the coherence of the work of all interested parties. After all, the effective in all respects "Superjet" is beneficial to them in the first place.

The creation of a new medium-haul aircraft MC-21 is slowly approaching. According to the announced plans, the aircraft plant in Irkutsk will be engaged in its final assembly. But there is absolutely no officially confirmed information about who designs the liner and where. There is no reliable data about future suppliers of components, except, perhaps, for engines. I would not want to, but it seems that we are again attacking the rake. But at stake is big money and the prestige of the industry.

As for the "Superjet", we have what we have. However, it is not too late to correct the situation. A lot of money is not required. Only state will is needed. And this plane is good or not, let everyone decide for himself.
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  1. Armored optimist 5 November 2015 05: 35 New
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    Yesterday, I already spoke out that I should seriously worry about finding bookmarks in avionics. Repeating is not very good, but I will do it.
    I consider it absolutely necessary to take and fly to the bottom of one fly from Boeing and Airbus for an in-depth search for software and hardware bookmarks. They are undoubtedly. And we also undoubtedly have specialists and technical capabilities to discover this whole thing.
    1. Amurets 5 November 2015 07: 22 New
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      Quote: armored optimist
      I consider it absolutely necessary to take and fly to the bottom of one fly from Boeing and Airbus for an in-depth search for software and hardware bookmarks.

      They are and are right in front of you. This is software. Using not only Windows in which there are holes in the sieve, but also browsers from Google and other products with closed source code made in the USA and China (to a greater extent), it is an open gate for bookmarks and espionage. For the first time it was discovered by Dubna specialists in the cache checksum. And now 10-I Windows is monitoring openly, Android is the same. .
      1. mav1971 5 November 2015 16: 53 New
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        Quote: Amurets

        They are and are right in front of you. This is software. Using not only Windows in which there are holes in the sieve, but also browsers from Google and other products with closed source code made in the USA and China (to a greater extent), it is an open gate for bookmarks and espionage. For the first time it was discovered by Dubna specialists in the cache checksum. And now 10-I Windows is monitoring openly, Android is the same. .


        There is a company like FSTEC. All Windows for important enterprises is bought through them.
      2. Genry 5 November 2015 17: 08 New
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        Quote: Amurets
        In addition to Firefox, it seems there is not a single browser which has built-in protection

        And detail...
        Chromium? Opera? Midori?
    2. Skif83 5 November 2015 09: 25 New
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      I think it’s better to take care of the “bookmarks” in the so-called “elite”!
      Take and "take and raskurovit to the base one at a time" from stools, Chubais, butler, shuvalov, siluanov.
      It seems that the root cause is still in them!
      Well, on the downward, so to speak, vertical of power ...
      Then there will be several times less technical and electronic “bookmarks”.
      Why about someone - Where we are, there is victory!
      And where are these, there is failure !?
      1. Armored optimist 5 November 2015 10: 15 New
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        I agree! But first, according to the plan of grandfather Lenin.
        1. Closing the echo of a new newspaper in the silver rain.
        2. The arrest of the fifth column.
        3. Introduction to the constitution of an article on the declaration of origin of property, etc.

        Maybe in the original sources it’s not quite so, I have not re-read it for a long time.
        1. vladimirZ 5 November 2015 12: 33 New
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          Tupolev cars could land and take off from most Russian airfields. The Superjet is incapable of this - give it airfields exclusively of the first class, of which a relative minority in Russia. The reason for this "capriciousness" is its design features, namely, the low location of the engines. When taking off, they simply suck in all the garbage from the runway, which is fraught with serious consequences.
          - from article

          That's just for this reason it was necessary to abandon the Superjet in favor of the Tupolev machine, not to mention the others.
          One glance at the sketches of these aircraft was enough for a specialist to give preference to Tupolev.
          Who participated in the selection of the Superjet option was simply not qualified, or was stuck with kickbacks, which are so widespread among us in such events.
          1. Altona 5 November 2015 12: 54 New
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            Quote: vladimirZ
            That's just for this reason it was necessary to abandon the Superjet in favor of the Tupolev machine, not to mention the others.
            One glance at the sketches of these aircraft was enough for a specialist to give preference to Tupolev.
            Who participated in the selection of the Superjet option was simply not qualified, or was stuck with kickbacks, which are so widespread among us in such events.

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            Why are such strategic sectors moving down to stupid marketing, or even direct lobbying for someone’s interests? Previously, commissions were convened, project hearings took place, though this also does not guarantee objectivity ... But still, is it really impossible to consider the problem in its entirety? Consider the project’s shortcomings, but take into account the state of the industry and its fate, taking into account the fate of people. You can limit yourself to engines or something else if you don’t have your own analogues ... Not yet ... Brazilians can, but we don’t ... It's strange how then ... It seems that we are with a bare ass all year round dancing samba, and they are doing business ...
          2. vladimir_krm 5 November 2015 21: 12 New
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            This is not true. Yes, there was a lot of dirt, that's what the test engineer of the MiG Design Bureau wrote to me in PM http://fan-d-or.livejournal.com/:

            ... the created lobby was able to break through to power in the new government. This turned out to be fatal for the MiG - which, incidentally, was the first in the industry to create a holding company and invested considerable funds from foreign activities (repair and modification of MiGs in foreign countries) in the creation of a completely new aircraft factory on the site in Lukhovitsy: back in the early 90s The MiG relied on the production of extremely popular short-haul, and in order not to reinvent the wheel, he undertook to put on the wing of the Tu-334, which at that time was very juice in terms of performance characteristics and promising for the market.

            It was under 334 that the Lukhovitsky giant was built - for which equipment was purchased, and while the buildings were being built, the equipment in the boxes was stored at the sites.

            If these plans were realized, then the cover would be dry: the competitor would gain economic independence and would no longer need state financing, which he even had in those years, even drop by drop.

            Therefore, an unprecedented raider attack was launched ...

            Nevertheless, the author speaks not very fairly about the Superjet, although he himself says that the more you sell, the lower the cost. But selling just doesn’t work out - you have to go through a bunch of certification tests, create service centers, ensure the supply of spare parts and specialists ... Were the Tupolevs ready for this? Not.
            Superjet allowed to solve a number of problems:
            - imported equipment has greatly simplified certification and service provision abroad;
            - this, in turn, will make it possible to reach a payback of 250 aircraft, and the domestic market would never allow it;
            - and gain a foothold in the foreign market, where the competition is fierce, and no one is waiting for us there;
            - cooperation with Boeing (it was called at first Boeing-Sukhoy, abbreviated as Bukh at first) made it possible not only to gain the authority of a well-developed company, but also to bypass Jackson-Venikov to buy imported equipment at KNAAPO, which is now used for PAK FA.

            As for the "low" engines, the tests have confirmed their reliability, there are videos on the network, no speculative charges are needed.

            Strange statements about the authors of MS-21. The author does not know that it is designed by Yakovlev Design Bureau ?? It's not a secret.

            As for the previously developed cars, guys, they really are outdated - now the requirements are much tougher, the fuel is several times more expensive, and they need to be thoroughly modernized.

            The French engine is only half, it is also strange that the author does not know this ...
            1. vladimir_krm 6 November 2015 17: 37 New
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              By the way, the best article about the Superjet - oddly enough, on Lurkomorye, I recommend it to everyone. Objectively and with humor :))
        2. ZAV69 5 November 2015 20: 07 New
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          Recall article 58 and actively apply. Most cases just fit her.
    3. ava09 5 November 2015 10: 02 New
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      Quote: armored optimist
      I consider it absolutely necessary to take and fly to the bottom of one fly from Boeing and Airbus for an in-depth search for software and hardware bookmarks. They are undoubtedly.


      Well, find out what next? The case of the state. treason? It would be nice, but there are so many such “bookmarks” that all law enforcement officers will have to work on these bookmarks for several years, starting with the “Constitution”. And there are so many bookmarks in the law enforcement bodies that all the initiatives there get stuck, like in a quagmire.
      1. Armored optimist 5 November 2015 10: 09 New
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        Trumpet the whole world! These will be counter-sanctions, which no one can suppose. These two firms and hundreds of cooperated will stand up.
        True, our aviation will also stop flying, so we will demand damages.
        Let them send their highly qualified engineers and workers to carry formwork and dig pits at the construction of our aircraft factories. Of course, only those who will be free from dismantling and loading machines in our address.
        1. Yuri from Volgograd 5 November 2015 10: 28 New
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          Quote: armored optimist
          Trumpet the whole world! These will be counter-sanctions, which no one can suppose. These two firms and hundreds of cooperated will stand up.

          Not a varic.
          Firstly, it’s practically impossible to find bookmarks until they are activated. That's why they are bookmarks.
          Secondly, these are products, hosh take, but do not take hosh. Yes, and the product is highly specialized, as a rule, there is nothing special to replace qualitatively.
          In the military industry, bookmarks are reflected in the geography of procurement, while in the civilian sector less.
    4. Yuri from Volgograd 5 November 2015 10: 09 New
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      The article is of course relevant.
      I’m a little bit on my own:
      1 On Aviastar, taking into account the crisis, 4 Tu-204 billets were taken out of the bins and now they are in the process of assembly. They were frozen in the 2010s.
      2 Rusk according to my feelings as a passenger differs from Airbus as a Grant from Audi. They saved on Shumka, quality of decoration, meticulous assembly, simpler seats, etc., however, I liked that all the same, in principle, it is domestic and quite good for flights. Other things being equal, I try to take a ticket for him, and not for foreign cars.
      3 I honestly don’t believe in MS-21. This is a virtual project. Huge plans, but no willingness. For me, Tupolev’s would be the case. My dad flew at them and sincerely loved 134ku. For example, the Yak-42 caused him less sympathy.
      4 Strange, but there are already sawn carcasses of the new Tupolvs (in my opinion, 224 in the Moscow region I came across a photo). So the release of a new one is good, but you also need to be able to store what is stored.
      5 And a little again for the cracker. Yes, there is a shaft of imports in it, but this allows poorly poorly kicking it over a hill. Put everything ours and it will only be in Aeroflot and in much smaller quantities. Let it evolve slowly, overgrowing with an increase in localization. This is much more realistic than shouting cheers and not having what we have at least now.
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        avt 5 November 2015 10: 25 New
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        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        5 And a little again for the cracker. Yes, there is a shaft of imports in it, but this allows poorly poorly kicking it over a hill.

        laughing
        Sukhoi Civil Aircraft (GSS) has agreed to return four Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ 100) planes from Indonesia and Laos, ATO.ru told the GSS. We are talking about three sides transferred to the Indonesian airline Sky Aviation (registration numbers PK-ECL, PK-ECM, PK-ECN, factory numbers 95022, 95027, 95031), and one received by the Lao carrier Lao Central (RDPL-34195, 95026) . Now, all four aircraft are undergoing restoration work.
        By the way, do you want to say nothing about the Chinese contract with the production of the Super Budget in China itself in hundreds? wassat Especially against the background of China signing a contract with a Boeing for 380 airplanes, including analogues of the Super Budget and rolling out a competitor MS-21 of its own design? laughing And how much do they cost in Zhukovsky? Well, of course, they are being brought to condition "at the LII in Zhukovsky, and not at a specialized enterprise, like in Italy, for example, for the needs of the customer?
        1. Altona 5 November 2015 20: 59 New
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          Quote: avt
          By the way, do you want to say nothing about the Chinese contract with the production of the Super Budget in China itself in hundreds?

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          By the way, China has completely rolled out its mid-range Comac C919, an analogue of the Boeing-737 ...
      2. aleks 62 next 5 November 2015 10: 47 New
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        ..... The article is of course relevant. ...

        .... Well, a moot point .... Another article of the “offended” on Sukhoi .... Few facts are drawn to “ears” .... For example: “..... Tupolev cars could land and take off from most Russian aerodromes. The Superjet is incapable of this - give it exclusively first-class aerodromes, of which there are a relative minority in Russia. ".... Why the author made such a conclusion is unknown to me ..... But just by its characteristics the aircraft is suitable for Class 2 airfields (which are the majority) - a strip of 2400-2500m ..... First class - can be counted on one hand on one hand ..... In general, a good replacement for the old tested Tu-134 .... My classmate works for me on the "jet" .... It responds very well ....
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          avt 5 November 2015 11: 29 New
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          Quote: aleks 62 next
          . My classmate works on a "jet" .... She responds very well ....

          And who said that the super budget is complete ??? I never said that before, I said and say, and indeed, like many, that for the money they swelled and got an airplane of quite average level, although they shouted that this would be a breakthrough no less than at the time of the appearance of the first jet passenger airplanes, you could NOT KILL several completely similar projects at once, and even certified before it and commercially manufactured - Tu-204/214/334, Il-114, An-148.Without excuse GSS about the fact that a negative experience, experience too. But for that kind of money .... this is already natural sabotage in the industry and wrecking.
      3. Alex_59 5 November 2015 11: 39 New
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        3 I honestly don't believe in MS-21. It really hurts a virtual project. Huge plans, but no willingness.

        Well, not quite virtual. I can confidently say that the PD-14 engine for it is already in the iron and is being tested in Ramenskoye on IL-76LL. There is a ready-made layout of the aircraft. The first two boards are being assembled in Irkut, at what stage they can’t say now, the beginning of the assembly dates back to 2013-14 for years. In theory, they should roll out next year. True, there one of these boards is supposed to be with PW engines, the second - I do not know.
        1. Alex_59 5 November 2015 14: 08 New
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          http://russianplanes.net/id177569 - ПД-14 в полете на Ил-76ЛЛ.
        2. Yuri from Volgograd 5 November 2015 14: 39 New
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          Quote: Alex_59
          Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
          3 I honestly don't believe in MS-21. It really hurts a virtual project. Huge plans, but no willingness.

          Well, not quite virtual. I can confidently say that the PD-14 engine for it is already in the iron and is being tested in Ramenskoye on IL-76LL. There is a ready-made layout of the aircraft. The first two boards are being assembled in Irkut, at what stage they can’t say now, the beginning of the assembly dates back to 2013-14 for years. In theory, they should roll out next year. True, there one of these boards is supposed to be with PW engines, the second - I do not know.

          Take your time for the engine.
          In the case of Sukhar, the engine refinement turned out to be more difficult than the entire board. And few people will need a board with a Russian engine, which is not always easy to attend.
          And for the assembly of the side, the fact that with serious public relations of the project practically does not show anything in the iron is embarrassing.
          I will be sincerely glad if they surprise me with our plane, but seriously fear for these dreams.
          And yes, I agree with the author that Tupolev was sheathed in vain.
          1. Xsanchez 6 November 2015 01: 27 New
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            Don’t worry about Tupolev, they have a huge work front now: PAKDA. And this is a very long time. So now they are not up to passenger liners.
      4. Genry 5 November 2015 18: 32 New
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        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        I honestly don’t believe in MS-21. This is a virtual project. Huge plans, but no willingness.

        1. Genry 5 November 2015 18: 51 New
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          More fuselage assembly
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    5. NEXUS 5 November 2015 10: 15 New
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      Quote: armored optimist
      I consider it absolutely necessary to take and fly to the bottom of one fly from Boeing and Airbus for an in-depth search for software and hardware bookmarks. They are undoubtedly. And we also undoubtedly have specialists and technical capabilities to discover this whole thing.

      “Bookmarking” is a serious matter and it is really NECESSARY to deal with this, undoubtedly. And I think the disaster in Egypt will be the impetus. But it will also be, I am sure, the impetus in the topic of import substitution in our machines. Unfortunately, sovereignty, even in the field of components and software with hardware, is conquered by blood, as it turns out.
      Best regards hi
    6. Sling cutter 5 November 2015 10: 49 New
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      Quote: armored optimist
      Yesterday, I already spoke out that I should seriously worry about finding bookmarks in avionics. Repeating is not very good, but I will do it.

      And what do your thoughts on bookmarks have to do with the article? request
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        Such that the Superjet is one of the imported components for the most part. And if the enemies want to ...
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          Quote: armored optimist
          Such that the Superjet is one of the imported components for the most part.

          So this is not a secret from the beginning ...
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          And if the enemies want to ...

          almost everything that the enemies wanted they had already received.

          And regarding your thoughts on bookmarks, I must say that to develop your electronics industry and assemble planes from your components!
          Here’s what’s glancing: "Where is the gamut of our ILyushki, Yak, TUShek now, and instead they are trying to lobby the super-Puperr jet, left-handed, to please the" watermelon "and consisting of 75% of their components!"
  2. svp67 5 November 2015 05: 40 New
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    Calling a spade a spade, it should be said bluntly that the process of the contest itself and its results were rather strange.
    It’s not “calling a spade a spade”, it is a “hint”. To “name” is to say that Poghosyan just bought himself a victory in this competition
    It would be wise, with the support of the Russian government, to create an independent commission of experts, which will include leading designers of the Design Bureau named after Tupolev and KB them. Ilyushin,
    that's just the "Illyushchians" are very heavily loaded, and the "Tupolevites" are likely to be "very busy", so the Sukhoi will have to cope on their own
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    What can I say, we must fight for sovereignty! But which of us can refuse to fly in protest on Boeing, Airbus or this correctional Su? No one! They will say that in the Tupolev design bureau aircraft, too, most of the details are foreign. They forget only one thing - Tu aircraft were designed and made for Russia, for its conditions, for its infrastructure. Well, it was not possible to bribe European officials to let our domestic planes fly in their civilian space. Everything has a limit. But you can also fly on Tu and Il planes on domestic routes. I remember how in the 1988 year I flew to Il-86 in Alma-Ata. In my opinion, the safest plane in the world! And they released only 100 copies, since the "perestroika" began. Maybe it’s time to end the “perestroika” period and retire her superintendents with the “honor”.
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      Quote: 1536
      . Maybe it’s time to end the “perestroika” period and retire her superintendents with the “honor”.

      what in the sense of foremen on the bunk? I am for!!! good fellow
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        Quote: Victor Demchenko
        and her foremen with "honor" to carry out retirement.

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        in the sense of foremen on the bunk? I am for!!!
        - retire to Siberia manually cut the forest
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      The foremen should be buried.
  4. Zomanus 5 November 2015 06: 33 New
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    At the expense of bookmarks, I had the same thought.
    They gave a command from the earth and avionics.
    But at the expense of civil aircraft ...
    here everything should be started from scratch practically.
  5. sa-ag 5 November 2015 06: 50 New
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    And that Tu-204 that does not develop, flies further than a superjet, takes more, is certified under modern standards in noise and emissions?
    1. Alex_59 5 November 2015 07: 19 New
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      And that Tu-204 that does not develop
      Traitors because.
      Quote: sa-ag
      takes more, is certified under modern standards for noise and emissions?
      Although, in general, the Tu-204 is a different class of aircraft. He plans to replace the MS-21.
  6. Mountain shooter 5 November 2015 07: 04 New
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    Sometimes starting from scratch is easier than upgrading the old. Remember the industrialization of the USSR or the industry of Germany in the early 30s. In Germany, the Allies exported all heavy engineering equipment for reparations, and steelmaking in many ways. By the beginning of WWII, Germany had updated its plants (not without the help of the USA), but France and Britain did not. The fact that Poghosyan is an effective manager who solves the task by ANY methods was clear from the very beginning. He did not discover America, in the same USA contests are held in the same way and the budget is also sawn, even steeper. It’s just that their civilian liners DO NOT be funded by the state, and if it financed, like ours, then it would be ... In Russia, everything is through the budget! Or foreign loans, since domestic loans are not available.
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      It’s just that their civilian liners DO NOT be funded by the state, and if it financed, like ours, then it would be ... In Russia, everything is through the budget! Or foreign loans, since domestic loans are not available.

      Until recently, the production of aircraft in the United States was subsidized by the state; now, for some models, subsidies have been reduced due to the protests of Airbase.
  7. Alex_59 5 November 2015 07: 16 New
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    Tupolev cars could land and take off from most Russian airfields. The Superjet is incapable of this - give it airfields exclusively of the first class, of which a relative minority in Russia
    Come on. In any case, regional transportation is carried out to regional centers. That Tu-334, that SSJ quietly sit in such airports. And for flights to all kinds of Tarko-Sale, they are not intended in any case. To do this, you need a car with a theater, for this you need to bring the IL-114 to a series.
    The reason for this "capriciousness" is its design features, namely, the low location of the engines. When taking off, they simply suck in all the garbage from the runway, which is fraught with serious consequences. But the Tu-414 engines are located high and he is not afraid of airfields of any class.
    Not quite right. Firstly, there should be no debris on the runway no matter where the engines are located. Secondly, in both configurations, aerodynamics are calculated so that the main source of dust (the front landing gear) does not throw garbage into the streams going to the engines. A competently designed aircraft with low-lying engines under the wing does not suck in anything and in this regard is not very different from an aircraft with a rear engine.
    A Tupolev plane would have reached regular lines by the 2005 – 2006 years.
    Yes, he wouldn’t have stepped on the line by this time.
    1. Corsair0304 5 November 2015 08: 06 New
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      It is possible that would have come out. After all, they presented a mock-up for the competition, and between the mock-up and the piece of paper that Sukhoi provided - a breakthrough of time.

      Here, by the way, is a photo about what and how it gets into an airplane engine with a high position relative to the fuselage:
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        After all, they presented a mock-up for the competition, and between the mock-up and a piece of paper, which was provided by Sukhoi, a breakthrough of time.

        But there is also a lot of time between the layout and the flight model. And here vague doubts torment me. Poghosyan’s commercial acumen is all the same. And Tupolev unfortunately is weaker. Plus lobbying opportunities. In the conditions of our destro, Tupolevites could have gone the way “mock-flight model” faster than Sukhoi went the way “paper-mock-flight model”. That is my doubt.
        PS I am completely and completely for Tu-334 and Tupolev with my soul, but the realities are such that let SSJ is better than nothing at all.
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          PS I am completely and completely for Tu-334 and Tupolev with my soul, but the realities are such that let SSJ is better than nothing at all.

          I join) In general, they say that the Tu-334 also had a lot of components from Ukraine, otherwise it’s a problem, especially now.
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        But stones and branches mostly do not fall
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      . That Tu-334, that SSJ quietly land at such airports.

      laughing Well, firstly -Tu 334 does NOT sit anywhere, because it was stupidly forbidden to let out; Secondly-you first tell us something detailed about certification of airports to receive the Super Budget, which takes place, and then about the fact that it sits everywhere .And so far this successful project, I do not take it in quotes, since for some it is really successful, continues to suck money from the budget
      On October 14, Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree according to which the authorized capital of the State Transport Leasing Company (GTLK) should be increased by 30 billion rubles.
      Rename into a vacuum cleaner ,, Kirby "
      1. Alex_59 5 November 2015 10: 55 New
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        Secondly - first you tell us something detailed about certification of airports for receiving the Super Budget

        I do not know about certification. If you know, tell me, I will be grateful.
        Only I think that it will not be about serious technical improvements to the airport infrastructure for the sake of SSJ, but about the formal receipt of a document confirming the fact that the SSJ can really land here. After all, such as the 737 and Airbus at the same airports, and our Tu-204 too (those few that are on the wing).
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        Well, firstly -Tu 334 nowhere sits, because it was stupidly forbidden to release
        I meant that "could sit down."
      2. Aviaded 5 November 2015 14: 45 New
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        Tu-334 banned to produce? Reminiscent of a joke about a cowboy named "The Elusive Joe." Remember why they called him that? Tu-334 is not produced because there were no orders for it. From the word at all. All these statements that he would have been “snapped like hotcakes” are nonsense. This plane, not yet born, has been outdated by about 20 years. Start with a three-membered crew. And much more has become outdated in it for a long time.
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          Tu-334 is not produced because there were no orders for it. From the word at all.

          Ltd! II, it’s the Super Budget case - they tear it off with their hands, you have to hide it for yourself in the LII in Zhukovsky and take it from the Lao and Indonesians. laughingAnd now, to “capitalize” the GSS in order to at least somehow shove them.
  8. Corsair0304 5 November 2015 08: 02 New
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    Not quite right. Firstly, there should be no debris on the runway no matter where the engines are located. Secondly, in both configurations, aerodynamics are calculated so that the main source of dust (the front landing gear) does not throw garbage into the streams going to the engines. A competently designed aircraft with low-lying engines under the wing does not suck in anything and in this regard is not very different from an aircraft with a rear engine.

    I support. He flew both on the Superjet and on the Boeing 737-700. Yes, indeed, the edge of the engine air intake is located very low from the runway. But! There is still such an opinion (statement) whether I don’t take it right or not, not a pro in this matter: "Valery Popov wrote: You won’t believe it, but when GSS specialists asked Boeing designers about the criteria for choosing the distance from the nacelle to the runway, they changed for a long time and then they split. The main thing is not to catch the lights and indicators on the runway with the nacelle. Their height is about 400 mm. Accordingly, the distance from the runway to the nacelle is at least 450 mm. http://superjet.wikidot.com/wiki:lowengines

    By the way, seating on the Sukhoi is more convenient than on an Airbus. In any case, you don’t sit there so that your knees rest against the back in front of the seated passenger. One thing that always worried me about SSJ was why there were 3 seats in a row on one side and 2 on the other? Somehow unbalanced in my opinion.
  9. Vita vko 5 November 2015 08: 03 New
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    If these key phrases in the article are combined
    only 15 percent of the final cost of the product falls on Russia

    in just nine months of 2015, it grew by almost five billion rubles. In fact, all the money coming from the state budget to support the aviation industry is spent on Superjets, which is nothing more than an irrational use of resources.
    naturally in the interests of Western companies.
    This is a standard economic and technological diversion.
    1. Corsair0304 5 November 2015 08: 24 New
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      I would not say so. Here is an example of what the Boeing 737 consists of and who is involved.
    2. Corsair0304 5 November 2015 08: 27 New
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      at the same time, foreign developments and components in the Superjet, as it were, are not less:
      1. Stirbjorn 5 November 2015 09: 10 New
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        To confirm your pictures, I will add a piece of the article with lurcomra, I apologize for the corresponding statement, but in fact it’s very logical
        Collected from Western components!
        Yes, there are really a lot of them in the Superjet. Cause? Yes, very simple. No, it’s not at all the desire to kill domestic appliance and other builders. Just a cunning Armenian Poghosyan (Director General of Sukhoi Design Bureau), even before the start of the development of the aircraft, estimated the following things:

        A car of this class has been living on the market for about 15 years.
        To recoup a project, you need to sell at least 200-250 aircraft.
        The market capacity of the regionalists of Russia / CIS over these 15 years is suddenly, just 200-250 aircraft.
        In order to have at least the theoretical ability to sell and recoup the project, these two planes had only two options:

        Choose Zyuganov as president, seize the former republics, build communism again, requisition all domestic airlines in favor of Aeroflot and sell these 250 to the resulting monster.
        It is impossible to reconcile with the fact that the entire local market can be captured in principle, and rely on a significant part of sales abroad. To do this, you need to make the aircraft initially and under domestic standards, and under the European EASA certificate. Even if there will be no sales directly to Europe, the Euro-certificate is recognized almost all over the world, therefore the markets of Asia / Africa / Latin America will also open.
        With regret and nostalgia for the USSR, the second option was nevertheless chosen. But EASA certification implies certification not so much of the aircraft as a whole, but certification of all its components individually (landing gear, engines, all kinds of electronics etc). Poghosyan asked the domestic manufacturers if they agree to certification of their products to EASA standards? In 90% of cases, the answer was, alas, negative. The remaining 10%, however, did agree and sometimes successfully burned with napalm - which only requires a data storage device that was blinded on the knee as a temporary solution, which was then certified at Thales and officially included in its airborne complex - it turned out to be very successful.

        So foreign components are a payment for the fact that the Superjet can be sold not only to Cuba and Iran, as it basically happened with domestic planes before. And by the standards of the global aircraft industry, the level of localization of the Superjet is quite high: completely local assembly of the fuselage, wing and plumage, for example. The same Boeing already from Japan and Australia whole pieces of the Boeing-787 is not shy to drag.
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        In principle, we can do everything on the MC 21 ourselves: the fuel system, wheels and the hydraulic system.
  10. Zaurbek 5 November 2015 08: 21 New
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    No matter how they scolded Pogosyan. He created a team, released a product, re-equipped production with new equipment. Superlzhet test pen. MS-21 will be a project with maximum localization and a black wing. Do not forget that similar technologies are used in the T-50. The second component of the success of the aircraft in our time is the financial support of sales. Or are you closer to the success of the Tagarog Aircraft Plant, which for five years alone has collected Be 200. At the same time, is he mastering a lot of money from the budget?
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      With MS-21 (Yak-142) we were 5 years late ... And about the "black" wing - are we ahead of the rest? Something I do not observe in other aircraft manufacturing companies a special desire for such innovations ...
      Yes, and about the pen test ... For some reason, foreign customers RETURN SSJ, and in Mexico they consider it Italian ...
      1. Aviaded 5 November 2015 14: 49 New
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        Do not see the transition to composites in the civilian aircraft industry? But nothing that the Boeing 787 and A350 have almost entirely composite fuselages?
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  11. NordUral 5 November 2015 09: 20 New
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    The power of Russia or House No. 5, or the fifth column. Or maybe all together.
    A note flashed that China, without noise and dust, enters the market of civilian liners. With nothing at all in this industry, moreover, it shows a finished airplane, and does not tell everyone tales about the wonderful prospects of virtual models. I am ashamed and sad.
  12. Andrewgross 5 November 2015 09: 31 New
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    There is absolutely no officially confirmed information on who designs the liner and where. There is no reliable data on future suppliers of components, except, perhaps, for engine operators. I would not want to, but it seems we are stepping on a rake again

    A strange thing ... Everything is on the Irkut website ...
    Designs Engineering Center. A.S. Yakovleva, a division member of the Moscow Criminal Code of Irkut, consisting of employees of the former OKB im. Yakovleva, engines Russian or American, the systems list for a long time, a lot of imports, information is open.
  13. Zaurbek 5 November 2015 09: 37 New
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    The black wing is placed on the Dreamoiner and its European counterpart; it is planned to be installed on the upgraded Boeing and Airbuses. And with MS 21, even if it is possible to win the Russian market, it will be the first success. And will raise our industry. This is me about the suppliers of MC 21.
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      The black wing is placed on the Dreamoiner and its European counterpart,

      Who is the European counterpart of the B-787? A-350? So there are no “black” wings on them ... The proportion of composites reaches 50%, but not wings, yet. They are going to put wings from composites on fighter jets, this is a question for citizens. We are ahead of the rest ...
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        They are going to put wings from composites on fighter jets, this is a question for citizens.


        http://mc-21.wikidot.com/wiki:kesson-ms-21
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          Sorry, the caisson is NOT a POWER element ...
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            , the caisson is NOT a POWER element ..

            But black ..... wassat laughing
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            Sorry, the caisson is NOT a POWER element ...

            There is about the wing:
            http://www.aex.ru/m/docs/3/2015/3/19/2205/
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  14. bmv04636 5 November 2015 09: 38 New
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    My question is how much is American Boeing and how much is European watermelon?
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      They supply titanium billets and structural elements to suppliers of components from dozens of countries, including Russia.
  15. Goldmitro 5 November 2015 10: 23 New
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    Of course, it’s a shame that everything turned out that way. After all, there was a real alternative, and then the Russian aviation industry would not have suffered. And in the sky would fly much more of our aircraft.

    And why not conduct a parliamentary investigation on how our civilian aircraft industry collapsed and bring to light all of these aviation leaders, gov .... syans with their grandiose plans for the development of domestic civilian aircraft industry, which turned out to be a primitive "ears-on-ear" that cost Russia stupidly ditching huge funds and the loss of many years during which, if not for this "scam" with a superpurpet, our aircraft industry could really have the opportunity to develop! What has been done is an act of outright WRITTEN and it is necessary to bear responsibility, especially since many of these figures are still “at the helm” and, most likely, continue to steer in the same style “for the good” of the country!
    1. Genry 5 November 2015 17: 47 New
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      of all these airborne figures, gov .... syanov

      Your nickname begins with the letter “G” and do not ascribe this to Poghosyan.
      He retained Sukhoi Design Bureau and having such an advantage, in comparison with other design bureaus, developed his production. Other design bureaus lagged behind and could not count on very limited disastrous state funding. But they, from the merger into a corporation, got enough.
      And the responsibility for the destruction of the domestic aviation industry lies with one person - Medvedev. It was he who sharply banned the operation of aging Soviet aircraft, not allowing the preparation of new ones, and introduced Westerners to the market, which now impedes the implementation of his own aviation program.
  16. inpu 5 November 2015 10: 25 New
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    Not all fair competition. Aviation is one of the industries where it has never been, no, and it is unlikely that we will see it in the near future. The industry itself is budget-forming in many countries, and no one in their right mind will lose their positions, much less give their orders.
  17. 35lisment35 5 November 2015 11: 51 New
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    So far, the liberal n *** races in the government will continue to do so.
  18. stas 5 November 2015 13: 03 New
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    There is normal competition, but the TU has experience in creating such aircraft, the SU does not have it, there are more excellent military developments there.
  19. 16112014nk 5 November 2015 14: 18 New
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    to bring to light all of these airborne figures

    The names of these figures have long been known to all. Take, for example, Khristenko and Manturov, who have failed the IL-96 and Tu-204 projects. Hello to this day and continue to harm to the best of our abilities. stop
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    We have competitive components that would be certified in Europe, so we went for cooperation.
  21. IAlex 5 November 2015 16: 39 New
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    I wanted to comment, I wrote no less than this article, but I didn’t even get to half of the article, because I was just tired of reading nonsense ...

    Moreover, it no longer makes sense to let off steam. The domestic civil aviation industry ended at the turn of the 2010s, incl. it is already history, and miserable attempts and children's games with foreign toy designers are just a slight inertia of the system, before the visual demise, used to divert eyes from simulating the “glavnyukov's” vigorous activity, the result of which was a stinky heap on the floor of Russian history and people after eating industrial assets ...
  22. zinander 5 November 2015 19: 19 New
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    Tu-334 banned to produce? Reminiscent of a joke about a cowboy named "The Elusive Joe." Remember why they called him that? Tu-334 is not produced because there were no orders for it. From the word at all. All these statements that he would have been “snapped like hotcakes” are nonsense. This plane, not yet born, has been outdated by about 20 years. Start with a three-membered crew. And much more has become outdated in it for a long time.
    Did you sing this to you about something that is out of date? Do you think that making a glider, stuffing it with imported stuff, is better than releasing your own airplane, which is almost ready to be launched? This is wrecking. And those with manturovs deserve punishment no less than Serdyukov with Vasilyeva .
  23. alone 5 November 2015 20: 47 New
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    The main problem is that Sukhoi has gained a monopoly in this industry. Instead, to make sure that all design bureaus work, only one campaign receives funding, and the rest are sitting on their own. There is development where there is healthy competition.
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      There is development where there is healthy competition.


      Development is not yet visible. There is sabotage of the civil aviation industry. Kill all the factories of "citizen" and drive to the ends of the world, to the site of the fighters in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, Super Duper Lego Poghosyan. Move over and give us some of your space, specialists and facilities. The fighters will wait. In addition, the components of this Lego are transported to the Far East closer than to the European part of Russia. And what would Stalin say, looking at such stormy fantasies of "democrats-perestroika"?
  24. ASK505 5 November 2015 21: 01 New
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    Say what you like, there will be no glorious future for this Pogosyanovsky Lego - Super duper Jet. And our money from the budget will not help here. He does not want to fly, since his sad premiere on May 9, 2012 in Indonesia. And will not be. Alien to us. As Ivanes, who do not remember kinship, they forgot that the glory of the Soviet civil aviation industry came from the famous design bureaus Tupolev, Ilyushin, Yakovleva. There are the keys to our victories in the air. As you name a ship, it will sail. The airline industry is waiting for serious organizational reforms. Let's hope that we will return to our Russian flight path.
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    "But there is absolutely no officially confirmed information on who and where the liner is designing. There is no reliable data on future suppliers of components, except, perhaps, engine operators. I would not want to, but it seems we are stepping on a rake again. But there’s a lot of money at stake , and industry prestige. "

    You either do not know how to search, or you are too lazy to search for you ...
    Designing is carried out within the framework of the Irkut Corporation, together with OKB im. A.S. Yakovleva, the cooperation is extensive, there is a single information field (available for designers), where there is an exchange of information on the design and its development, testing.
    At least two, from the leadership of the GSS, come from the OKB V.M. Myasishchev - Lavrov and Kurchev. And EMZ them. V.M. Myasishchev, today combined with OKB S.V. Ilyushin. So, there is a connection with both the Ilyushinites and the Tupolevs. They are located nearby.
    Information can be searched by the tag "MS-21", in search engines.
    There is a lot of information on the MS-21 aircraft, there is a video on YouTube.
    The other day in the LII them. M. Gromov, in Zhukovsky, the first flight of a flying laboratory, based on the IL-76, with the PD-14 engine, developed by the Perm Design Bureau, took place. The first planes are planned to be assembled with imported engines, later - with domestic ones. Export deliveries are planned in two versions.
  26. EvilLion 5 November 2015 23: 47 New
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    Author, how much have you been paid?
    The Tu-334 was an obsolete car before birth. Therefore, no one bought it and it did not pass certification. And what's the point of giving an assignment to develop a company that already simply does not have the physical ability to do this?

    And do not about accessories. No one in the civilian aircraft industry uses only his own, competitiveness is more important.
  27. asp373 6 November 2015 00: 12 New
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    What a ridiculous article :-) The first part consists of 1/2 of the foul fakes long ago, and the second is almost 100% stupid. I am glad that they no longer offer to cut 100+ planes on colormet, but they want to put Tupolev, who is looking from the design bureau, so that work can only go through w # @ $.
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    it seems to me, this is largely the answers to the questions posed in the article: http://yablor.ru/blogs/interesnoe-vistuplenie-pogosyana-v-kazani/630622
  29. Igor Polovodov 6 November 2015 02: 15 New
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    MS-21 is a completely dumb abbreviation!
    Superjet, on the other hand, is an alien image in a foreign language.
    Both examples fall out of our historical memory!
    Well, there is YAK, TU, IL, the same AN, but what is MS? Superjet?
    In one case, we have historical continuity and recognizable native brands, and in the other, the artificial creation of marketing, with obvious and unpunished sabotage. It’s even ridiculous to comment on this!
    It is necessary to promote the iconic brands and civil aviation of the USSR a beautiful recognizable image.
    Sukhoi or MS could also be called Yak, or Il (Intentionally)
    In our case, this is regarded as an attempt to destroy the history of domestic continuity of images.
    Why, for example, did Sochi’s GDP come to a meeting at the Victory?
    And where is this victory? Sold to the Poles ...
    Why the Victory brand was not saved?
    Can the Volga compare with Victory?
  30. ASK505 6 November 2015 10: 45 New
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    MS-21 is a completely dumb abbreviation!
    Superjet, on the other hand, is an alien image in a foreign language.
    Both examples fall out of our historical memory!


    You are 100% right. Only someone from the air mafia wants to stubbornly not notice it. It’s ridiculous to call the plane “PAK, FAK, MAK DAK, SUPER SUPER JET, MS-21, SMS in the same vein”, having behind them the legendary design bureaus “Sukhoi”, “Yakovleva”, “Ilyushin”, “Tupolev”. Interception in consciousness begins with interception by symbols. If the control of consciousness is intercepted, then there will be no independence. Our life is arranged in such a way that all our thoughts and decisions are formed around symbols and myths - this is a property of human consciousness. It shapes our personalities and our society. This is our matrix, our foundation. What you look at is what you turn to. I hope the new broom will soon work to disperse these grave diggers of our aircraft industry and interested defenders of the Watermelons and Boeings. Felling will be serious for the future of Russian civil aviation.
  31. Alexvl 6 November 2015 11: 19 New
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    That's just for this reason it was necessary to abandon the Superjet in favor of the Tupolev machine, not to mention the others.
    One glance at the sketches of these aircraft was enough for a specialist to give preference to Tupolev.
    Who participated in the selection of the Superjet option was simply not qualified, or was stuck with kickbacks, which are so widespread among us in such events.

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    Why are such strategic sectors moving down to stupid marketing, or even direct lobbying for someone’s interests? Previously, commissions were convened, project hearings took place, though this also does not guarantee objectivity ... But still, is it really impossible to consider the problem in its entirety? Consider the project’s shortcomings, but take into account the state of the industry and its fate, taking into account the fate of people. You can limit yourself to engines or something else if you don’t have your own analogues ... Not yet ... Brazilians can, but we don’t ... It's strange how then ... It seems that we are with a bare ass all year round dancing samba, and they are doing business ...

    Because for inept marketing and kickbacks, they don’t put anyone in prison, they don’t even fire him, and sometimes they give out awards, like Nabiulina, for example.
  32. Goldmitro 6 November 2015 22: 48 New
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    He retained Sukhoi Design Bureau and having such an advantage, in comparison with other design bureaus, developed his production.

    And your nickname begins with the same letter! Yes, it was not difficult for him to develop his production, having closed on himself all the funds allocated for raising the domestic aircraft industry! And what did you get?