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Rescue Private Ivan

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Today, when all over the world we only hear how bad we are, no-no and yes, the voices of those who can look at things intelligently, assess the true aspirations of Russia and the West. Traditionally, we have a positive opinion regarding such people: “Not everyone in the West has grown stupid in propaganda anti-Russian intoxication. There are still thinking people,” and so on.


All this, of course, is correct. Regret is the only fact that the "amount of interaction" of such people remains constant, close to zero.

In particular, I would like to touch on the theme of the Second World War. Many times we have all heard that in American schools children are told how victory in World War II was forged in the Pacific Ocean, that the greatest tragedy of humanity is Pearl Harbor, and the Soviet Union was only an “insignificant assistant” in America’s victory. His attitude to such a perversion stories I will not express the Great War, since nothing but hatred is aroused by such historians.

Despite the fact that in the West, not only now, when the “successes” of American geopolitics become apparent, but before there were people who understood the pernicious perversion of history, their voice was not heard, and the same print media gave out such polar opinions that they simply take aback.

All of the above was a small introduction to an article published in the English Guardian. How much dirt this newspaper poured on Russia and its history - do not scoop up. And by chance, I come across an article by Michael Davis, a lecturer on American history at the University of California, who is the editor of the New Left Review, published in The Guardian on June 16 of June 2004. For our reader, of course, there is nothing new in the article, but how in one newspaper frank lies and Russophobia can get along with an honest look at Russia - for me remains a mystery.

I think if Michael Davies tells the same thing to his students, then most likely he has very big problems in his professional life.

And the last. A rhetorical question: if there, in the West, everyone can not only write the truth about Russia, although somewhat in a peculiar way, if teachers calmly tell such things to students, then where do people in America come from, confident that America won in World War II and never heard about Gagarin?

But, actually, the article itself.

The decisive battle for the liberation of Europe began 60 years ago in the month of June, when Soviet partisan forces emerged from Belarusian forests and swamps and delivered a bold and sudden blow to the rear of the powerful Wehrmacht.

The partisan detachments, which included many Jewish fighters and people fleeing from concentration camps, installed 40 000 mines, practically paralyzing the railway connection with Poland and East Prussia vital for the Army Group Center.

Three days later, on June 22, 1944, on the day of the third anniversary of Hitler’s attack on the Soviet Union, Marshal Zhukov ordered an offensive along the entire German front line. Twenty-six thousand heavy artillery pieces crushed advanced German positions. Following the powerful Katyush volleys, 4 motors started talking. tanks and in 40 languages, the militant cheers of 1,6 million Soviet soldiers were heard. Thus began Operation Bagration, which was an offensive on a more than 700-kilometer sector of the front.

This “great military earthquake,” as historian John Erickson called it, only stopped at the approaches to Warsaw when Hitler urgently transferred his elite reserves from western Europe to the east to stop the Red Wave. As a result of this redeployment, the American and British forces that fought in Normandy did not have to face the well-armed panther tank divisions.

But what did an ordinary American hear about Operation Bagration? June 1944-th means for him landing on the beaches of Normandy, and not crossing the river Dvina. However, the Soviet offensive in the summer of 1944 was several times larger than Operation Overlord (the landing of troops in Normandy), both in terms of the forces and assets involved, and in the damage inflicted on Germany.

By the end of the summer, the Red Army reached the gates of Warsaw and the mountain passes of the Carpathians, which opened the way to central Europe. Soviet tanks captured Army Group Center in steel mites and destroyed it. The Germans only in Belarus lost more than 300 000 people. Another powerful German grouping was constrained, and later defeated on the Baltic coast. The road to Berlin was open.

All thanks to Ivan. This in no way detracts from the merits of the heroes who died in the deserts of Africa and in the cold forests of northern France. But it should be remembered that 70 percent of Wehrmacht soldiers laid down their heads not in the French fields, but in the Russian steppes. In the fight against fascism, for every deceased private Ryan, there are about 40 Russians Ivanov. Scientists now believe that the 27 of millions of Soviet soldiers and civilians died and died during World War II.

However, at this holiday in honor of the legendary great generation, a Soviet soldier, a tractor driver from Samara, an artist from Orel, a miner from Donetsk or a graduate from Leningrad, is completely invisible.

Everything looks as if the conquests of great America can fade, if we recognize the leading role of the Soviet Union in achieving the epochal victory of the last century against fascism. Indeed, most Americans are remarkably poorly informed about the ratio of contributions to victory and loss in World War II. Even those who know something about the enormous sacrifices of the Soviet people represent everything in the form of the prevailing stereotype of the Red Army: hordes of barbarians, driven by a cruel thirst for revenge and primitive Russian nationalism. Only ordinary Joe and Tom in their eyes can fight for the civilized ideas of freedom and democracy.

Consequently, it is all the more important to remember that despite Stalin, the NKVD and the destruction of a whole generation of Bolshevik leaders, the Red Army retained the spirit of revolutionary fraternity. In her own eyes, and in the eyes of those whom this army rescued from Hitler’s slavery, she was the greatest liberator army in history. Moreover, the Red Army of the 1944 of the year was also the Soviet Army.

Among the generals who led the breakthrough of the troops on Dvina, there was a Jew Chernyakhovsky, an Armenian Bagramyan, a Pole Rokossovsky. Unlike the class-divided and racially segregated American and British armies, in the Red Army, the path to commanding heights was open, albeit thorny. Anyone who doubts the revolutionary impulse and deep humanity of the Red Army, should turn to the memorable memoirs of Primo Levi (The Reawakening / Awakening) and Carol (Between Two Worlds / Between Two Worlds).

Both hated Stalinism and loved the ordinary Soviet soldier, seeing in him the seeds of socialist renewal. So after a recent attempt by George W. Bush to downplay the meaning of D-Day (the beginning of the landing), in order to get more support for my war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, I decided to hold my own commemorative ceremony.

First, I have to remember my uncle Bill, a seller from the town of Columbus, although it is difficult to imagine this soft man as a GI rushing to the beaches of Normandy. Then, and I'm sure Uncle Bill would have approved it, I have to remember his comrade Ivan.

Ivan, who broke through in his tank to the gates of Auschwitz and to Hitler's bunker. Ivana, whose courage and perseverance defeated the Wehrmacht, despite the terrible military mistakes and crimes of Stalin. Two privates, two heroes: Bill and Ivan. It is indecent to honor one and not to remember another.


Despite the controversial points in the reflection of our history, the article, in my opinion, carries a positive attitude towards Russia. And it is completely incomprehensible in this regard, why in the West nothing changes in the public consciousness, and if it does, it is only towards the Cold War, McCarthyism? After all, they know the truth. Well, it turns out that the masses are not interested in all this? Or they just do not care who and where won? 10 years have passed since the writing of the article, and the consciousness of the western (American in the first place) man in the street has only become muddied? It is a pity if so ...

Source of information: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/11/russia.secondworldwar
Translation: http://inosmi.ru/inrussia/20040612/210340.html
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  1. Goga101
    Goga101 6 November 2015 05: 52 New
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    А не нужна им правда, ни про ту войну, ни про наше время... не "по правде" они живут, и нашим молодым пытаются череп промыть - им же "сервы" нужны а не люди, а тем кто не знает истории - легче манипулировать request
    1. Georgy USSR
      Georgy USSR 6 November 2015 06: 11 New
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      Most of all I liked:
      Guerrilla groups of Jewish fighters and people fleeing from concentration camps set 40 000 mines
      1. Babr
        Babr 6 November 2015 07: 06 New
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        Quote: George USSR
        Partisan detachments, which included many Jewish fighters and people who escaped from concentration camps,

        Only a true Jew could write such a thing! And eat a fish and ...... fellow
        1. Zoldat_A
          6 November 2015 19: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Babr
          Only a true Jew could write such a thing! And eat a fish and ......

          They have everything in the West so confused with the fifth point that they remember, it seems to me, about him as a fact of their biography, in the West they remember only the God-chosen and the Arabs. Well, maybe even the Basques with the Irish ...

          Жена, подрабатывая переводчицей, рассказывала, как наши здорово ржали, когда австрийцы в разговоре с нашими назвали хозяина завода в Казахстане "казах Фридман". laughing Well they are used to the fact that in Austria - the Austrians, in Belgium - the Belgians, but in Kazakhstan, it means that all polls are Kazakhs. Even the Friedman. laughing
      2. Zoldat_A
        6 November 2015 19: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: George of the USSR
        Most of all I liked:
        Guerrilla groups of Jewish fighters and people fleeing from concentration camps set 40 000 mines

        Наверное, они там, в "Гардиан", посчитали... laughing Lovers of arithmetic, mother ...
      3. NIKNN
        NIKNN 8 November 2015 20: 38 New
        +3
        George of the USSR SU November 6, 2015 06:11 ↑

        Most of all I liked:
        Guerrilla groups of Jewish fighters and people fleeing from concentration camps set 40 000 mines


        and further

        Among the generals who led the breakthrough of troops in the Dvina was a Jew Chernyakhovsky

        Something the author underestimated the professor. I think it’s normal he walks there that they are afraid of him.
        Clearly corrected. America won the war with the help of the Jews, but the USSR simply did not interfere. what
    2. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 6 November 2015 06: 14 New
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      Despite controversial issues in the reflection of our history, the article, in my opinion, carries a positive attitude towards Russia.

      For these very controversial issues and pseudo historians cling and lie, they lie without seeing the framework of truth, and you can lie every minute, hour, day, week, constantly and especially without bothering to search for truth, since if you are intended to lie, then you do not care about the truth. And in truth it’s a lie US National Treasure
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 6 November 2015 10: 40 New
        +3
        Gold words. Which is what the West does.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 6 November 2015 05: 57 New
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    10 years have passed since the writing of the article, and the consciousness of the Western (American in the first place) layman just got even more muddied? Sorry if so ...
    it is much more a pity that the consciousness of our youth is muddied. If you conduct a survey on the Second World War, on the street, the results are shocking. Believe me, I know what I’m talking about, my wife, a software master in a technical school, generation 90s, shows the degradation of young people, as a result of this education system, both moral principles and the level of knowledge, especially history, geography and Russian literature, collapsed. really scary, because this is the future of the country.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 November 2015 06: 11 New
      +8
      hi
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      it is much more a pity that the consciousness of our youth is muddied.

      Now, the time has come when it is necessary to save the memory of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers in our country. In this regard, the role of the State is very important and we can honestly admit that in the current conditions it is not sufficient. It is time to amend the Constitution and recognize that our state has obligations to educate young people.
    2. evil partisan
      evil partisan 6 November 2015 06: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      both moral principles and the level of knowledge, especially history, geography and Russian literature, collapsed.

      yeah sad ... At a time in Rezh, a state of emergency in schools should be introduced ... I am leaving for help. With a group of teachers. You decided to stay yes. Do you have a moonshine still or should we take our own?
      Hi! hi
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 6 November 2015 06: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: wicked partisan
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        both moral principles and the level of knowledge, especially history, geography and Russian literature, collapsed.

        yeah sad ... At a time in Rezh, a state of emergency in schools should be introduced ... I am leaving for help. With a group of teachers. You decided to stay yes. Do you have a moonshine still or should we take our own?
        Hi! hi

        Yes, not in Rezh, but in the country! (leave, do not need anything with you) drinks
    3. sa-ag
      sa-ag 6 November 2015 06: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      generation 90s shows youth degradation collapsed as a result of this education system

      Не то чтобы рухнули, просто образование подкорректировали в связи с потребностями текущего момента и в первую очередь это коснулось истории, нужен был "грамотный потребитель"
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 6 November 2015 06: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: sa-ag
        нужен был "грамотный потребитель"

        "БЕЗграмотного потребителя" они воспитали.
        Только для этого понадобились "грамотные истребители" российской истории, и они появились из среды "либерал-потреблятов".
        Here they need to be destroyed, then it will be possible to talk about the education of youth, and about the preservation of history and the formation of creators, and not consumers.
        1. Babr
          Babr 6 November 2015 07: 22 New
          +6
          Quote: hydrox
          Here they need to be destroyed, then it will be possible to talk about the education of youth, and about the preservation of history and the formation of creators, and not consumers.

          And on the front of Education, this is what happens.
    4. Zoldat_A
      6 November 2015 19: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      it is much more a pity that the consciousness of our youth is muddied. If you conduct a survey on the Second World War, on the street, the results are shocking.

      And I'm afraid to even think about it. In Ukraine, this also began ... First, lubricate the memory, and then fill the vacuum that is filled with what the director needs ...
  3. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 6 November 2015 06: 02 New
    +4
    Despite the controversial points in the reflection of our history, the article, in my opinion, carries a positive attitude towards Russia. And it is completely incomprehensible in this regard, why in the West nothing is changing in the public mind, and if it is changing, it is only towards the Cold War, McCarthyism?

    The answer to this question is contained in the article itself:
    Well, it turns out that the broad masses are not interested in all this? Or do they just give a damn who won where and where? 10 years have passed since the writing of the article, and the consciousness of the Western (American in the first place) layman just got even more muddied?

    The average American, according to absolutely all my friends who have visited the United States at different times (and in different states, sorry for the tautology), knows the name of his state, last name and first name of the mayor, state governor, stock exchange quotes, prices in shops, etc. P. household trifles, but he is not at all interested in history (even in his own country, at best he knows that there was a civil war in America). And what is happening in the world is usually completely uninteresting to him, unless he directly touches it personally. I can only talk about Europe about Germany, where I myself have been - I will say one thing - they still remember about Stalingrad.
    I have the honor.
    1. Zoldat_A
      6 November 2015 19: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      what’s happening in the world is generally completely uninteresting to him, unless it touches him personally directly.

      У Майкла Мура есть хороший документальный фильм про американский патриотизм. Тётечка вывешивала американские флаги, пела гимн, кричала "Ура-ура!", пока её детки бомбили Ирак. Ждала их домой с денюшками, мечтала, как они поступят в колледж и всё такое... До тех пор, пока ей вместо деток не пришли пластиковые ящики. Вот тогда она стала пацифисткой, сняла флаг и поехала в Вашингтон искать правду. Только чего-то Буш с ней разговаривать не захотел....

      Quote: Aleksandr72
      about Germany, where I myself have been - I will say one thing - they still remember about Stalingrad

      Во Франции в языке так и осталось слово "Березина". Молодёжь во Франции, как и у нас, не знает, что это и откуда, но для них "Berezina" = "ВСЁПРОПАЛО!"

      soldier
  4. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 6 November 2015 06: 10 New
    +5
    There they have similar articles in professional magazines a couple of times a year.

    despite the terrible military mistakes and crimes of Stalin.

    And wai not say about the terrible military mistakes and crimes of Churchill - Roosevelt - Truman?
    I'm talking about carpet bombing of German cities (Hamburg and other cities), Japanese cities, Nuclear strikes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the deportation of the Japanese and their maintenance in camps, the last ... Pearl Harbor.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 6 November 2015 06: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: ShadowCat
      not to say about the terrible war mistakes and crimes of Churchill - Roosevelt - Truman?

      Well, you, they are civilized people and all these supposedly bombing-Kremlin propaganda! There wasn’t that! And if there was - then Russian Barbarians bombed. And Pearl Harbor is the greatest effort of World War II! But Hiroshima and Nagasaki - just revenge for this harass, I can help, and again, who said that the Americans bombed? Your untruth. It is not they. I wonder what the West will have in history textbooks in 2 years? Sorry for the Ukrainians, but the states are so closely related to Ukraine that it doesn’t work out differently.
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 09: 08 New
      -1
      Quote: ShadowCat
      And wai not say about the terrible military mistakes and crimes of Churchill - Roosevelt - Truman?

      And not to say how the ITT destroyed almost the entire command staff of the Red Army? Or about hunger 1932-1933 do not want
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 6 November 2015 10: 57 New
        0
        Are these great generals like Blucher-Tukhachevsky? And the other incompetent code that was cleaned up during the recertification?
        By the way, many commanders of the Red Army were pulled out of the camps after the tadams of 1938 (for example, one of the Marshals of the Victory), with the arrival of the maniac executioner L.P. Beria, the protege of I.V. Stalin.

        Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
        Or about the famine of 1932-1933 do not want

        Uguk. personally went and trampled all the fields.

        Learn the materiel to begin with. For example, periods of rule, who exactly rules and how rules.
  5. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 6 November 2015 06: 21 New
    +5
    Quote: George of the USSR
    Most of all I liked:
    Guerrilla groups of Jewish fighters and people fleeing from concentration camps set 40 000 mines

    Well then, it is worth mentioning the Jewish assembly of machine guns in Buchenwald, the service staff of the stoves, and the collection of valuable things in the same place ...
  6. SergeySeverny
    SergeySeverny 6 November 2015 06: 38 New
    0
    Yes, they do not know the story, in the sense of absolutely! it's out of their sight ...
  7. viscount
    viscount 6 November 2015 06: 58 New
    +1
    "Несмотря на спорные моменты в отражении нашей истории, статья, на мой взгляд, несёт позитивное отношение к России. И совершенно непонятно в этой связи, почему на Западе ничего не меняется в общественном сознании, а если и меняется, то только в сторону холодной войны, маккартизма? Ведь знают же правду. Что же, получается, что широким массам всё это неинтересно? Или им просто наплевать, кто там и где победил? Прошло 10 лет с момента написания статьи, а сознание западного (американского в первую очередь) обывателя только ещё больше замутилось? Жаль, если так…"

    There is safety in numbers!!!
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 6 November 2015 08: 13 New
    +9
    Откуда берется "искаженная картина" России, ее истории, жизни, стремлений? Ой, да бросьте, а то вы не знаете-из оголтелой антироссийской пропаганды которая ведется на западе целое столетие. Западные обыватели впитали эту пропаганду "с молоком матери" и они даже мыслить не могут по-другому. Даже во времена Ельцина и "перезагрузки" эта пропаганда не прекращалась ни на минуту-придумывались и муссировались новые "страшилки" о России и ее жителях, любые промахи раздувались до невероятных размеров и пр. Я уже приводил пример, как в нашем офисе во Франции, после крушения злосчастного "Боинга" на Украине, в мой кабинет ворвалась толпа моих, так сказать "западных" коллег и стала, брызгая слюной орать, что сволочи-русские сбили "Боинг", убили несчастных неповинных людей и пр. Я выслушал их вопли и потом спросил: "А, с чего вы это взяли, что самолет сбили русские, именно российская армия?" Так они все, одним голосом закричали:"Да потому, что кроме русских, никто его сбить не мог!" Вот и все. О чем вы хотите с этими "зомби" разговаривать... какую такую "правду" от них вы хотите услышать? У них уже мозги повернуты против нас и любой факт о России они будут воспринимать только с негативной точки зрения..
  9. akudr48
    akudr48 6 November 2015 08: 38 New
    +6
    The first thing that comes to mind, with such a nonrandom and persistent reflashing of the brains of the Westoids, which is carried out as part of the ongoing information war of the West with the USSR / Russia, is the following quote:

    The one who controls the past controls the future. The one who controls the present controls the past.
    George Orwell, from the book 1984


    The West wants to control the past in order to control the future.

    Время от времени западные люди получают небольшую порцию правды, как в статье упомянутого Майкла Дэйвиса, или как в американском сериале "Неизвестная война", который вышел где-то в 1985-87 годах, в котором авторы в начале признались, что на Западе люди не знают, как воевал СССР и этот фильм поможет немного улучшить ситуацию.
    The series is really good, and now in Russia it would have to be repeated and repeated.

    But basically, whatever information warfare methods are used against Russia (omissions, omissions, hints, misinterpretations, fabrications, blatant lies, ...), moreover, in an organized and coordinated mode by all major media outlets, all of them, the western people, are waving .. .

    And it reaches the Russian liberal traitors, and they repeat after the West any lies and fables.

    Therefore, for example, the West does not see the killed children in the Donbass, but it knows for sure that the Malaysian Boeing over the Donbass was shot down by the Russians.

    It is not necessary to be surprised here, even if they in the West understand that they are lying about Russia, they will not stop and will continue to lie, so that later it is easier to believe ...

    It is necessary in Russia to have its own effective information weapons to fight for its citizens.

    А пока либеральная идеологическая пропаганда в России работает прямо на врага, создавая фильмы и сериалы, типа "Сволочи", "Штрафбат" и прочие кремлевские саги, в которых русские люди не с фашистами воевали и победили, а сражались против СМЕРШа, против НКВД, против комиссаров с пулеметами в загранотрядах, против Сталина и Берии.

    And many believe how, it was shown on TV how security officers drank vodka, tumbled with the women, and in the intervals of honest and noble officers they sent them to penal battles on denunciations ...

    Вред от таких "своих" тут гораздо больший, чем от их "чужих".

    Therefore, we with our villains from history and ideology need to understand and finally deal.
  10. solovey
    solovey 6 November 2015 08: 50 New
    +2
    Why do they really need it? If they knew all our thousand-year-old truth, they would not come together once every 100 years to receive once again from RUSSIAN !!!!!!!
  11. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 6 November 2015 09: 10 New
    +1
    Someone beat me, I wanted to post this article myself. I really enjoyed it
  12. iv-nord
    iv-nord 6 November 2015 09: 54 New
    +1
    Yes, there are mistakes in the article, but the words about Bill and Ivan are correct. The worst thing was to endure the USSR, and many thanks for the second front and for material help. So the meeting on the Elbe made the brothers soldiers who defeated fascism.
  13. cheega69
    cheega69 6 November 2015 10: 27 New
    0
    And this truth will help to become richer, more successful? No? So what for it is needed.
  14. ava09
    ava09 6 November 2015 11: 16 New
    +2
    True, each has its own truth. Even the author is lying: (C) Ivan, whose courage and perseverance defeated the Wehrmacht, despite the terrible war mistakes and crimes of Stalin. (C)
    О каких "преступлениях" Сталина идёт речь, не о преступлениях против народа? Почему без решения суда можно объявить Человека преступником? Если Сталин "уничтожал свой народ миллионами", как этот народ беспрецедентно сплотился вокруг Вождя? Как можно было победить, несмотря на "ужасные военные ошибки"? Народ без руководства - стадо, Величайшие Победы не достигаются путём "ужасных ошибок". Что-то подобное даже представить не возможно при "выдающемся демократе" Алкаше в 90-е и случись тогда подобное 1941-му, страны бы уже не было, да и от народа мало что сохранилось. Вот это были "ужасные ошибки"...
    1. Gomunkul
      Gomunkul 6 November 2015 13: 19 New
      0
      Что-то подобное даже представить не возможно при "выдающемся демократе" Алкаше в 90-е и случись тогда подобное 1941-му, страны бы уже не было, да и от народа мало что сохранилось.
      Вот это были "ужасные ошибки"...
      What was done with the country in the 90s cannot be called simply mistakes! It was genocide, it is only a pity that we will never see trials of people involved in this.
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    3. traveler
      traveler 6 November 2015 14: 38 New
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      Quote: ava09
      need TRUE

      у воннегута было: "истина - это всякая чушь, в которую верит ваш сосед. если я захочу с ним подружиться, я спрашиваю во что он верит. он рассказывает, а я приговариваю - верно, верно, совершенная истина".
  15. traveler
    traveler 6 November 2015 14: 33 New
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    what difference does it make that is written in American textbooks? Are you not interested in Portuguese textbooks, but in Indian? hardly.
    americos ... pndosy ... etc. don't let you live in peace. on the one hand you hate them, on the other hand you want to be important to them.
    do you need them to recognize you? to put a monument to a Soviet soldier in Times Square?
    calm down already.
    they have their own history and the history of other countries, they are interested insofar as (like us), and 100 thousand of their soldiers who died in the Pacific Ocean, are immeasurably more important than 27 million victims of the war in the USSR. own shirt closer to the body.
    1. m262
      m262 6 November 2015 16: 37 New
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      I just want to understand, now in the West there is a harsh propaganda against Russia and all Russian, and do not underestimate it, just prepare the public opinion that it is necessary to put an end to these barbarians, they are still not people. We do not need this conflict! That is why understanding is needed ...
  16. user3970
    user3970 6 November 2015 16: 42 New
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    А давайте вернёмся к своим баранам ? У нас " Темнейший " что кончал ? ЛГУ юрфак ? У меня складывается мнение что кончал он вместе с Роттенбергами спортзал . Если ВВП публично извиняется перед поляками за расстрел в Катыни ( это офицер спецслужб ??? ) Поляки попытались было ломануться в международные суды за получением компенсаций с России , но получили отлуп. Почему международный суд оказался более информирован в военной истории России , чем её президент? Дальше - больше ! Князь Владимир . Памятник . Братоубийца ( русский Каин ), холоп Золотой Орды , сексуальный маньяк и насильник , предатель веры предков ... Ну и вишенка . Столыпин . Этот человек разрушил менталитет народа . Жить общиной это физиологическая необходимость русского народа в силу климатических условий и враждебного окружения . Столыпин её разрушил , введя отруба . И не надо забывать о столыпинском галстуке. И ввиду всего этого совсем не удивительно появление несколько лет тому назад ЕГЭ в стране. " Темнейший " решил понизить IQ интеллект своего народа до своего . Кличко ему в помощь.