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Rosoboronexport at an exhibition in Bangkok expects increased attention from foreign partners to Yak-130 aircraft

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«Рособоронэкспорт» принимает участие в международной выставке вооружений «Defense & Security 2015», проходящей в Бангкоке. Начальник управления внешних связей «Рособоронэкспорта» Виктор Бракунов сообщает о том, что наибольший интерес со стороны иностранных партнёров ожидается к учебно-боевым самолётам Як-130, tanks T-90S, as well as military transport helicopters Mi-17.


Rosoboronexport at an exhibition in Bangkok expects increased attention from foreign partners to Yak-130 aircraft


In the capital of Thailand, Rosoboronexport will present Buk-M2E and Tor-M2 anti-aircraft missile systems. During the exhibition, it is planned to sign contracts for the delivery to foreign countries of the police version of the armored car Tiger, BMP-3, BTR-80A, ZRPK Pantsir-S1.

Representatives Rosoboronexport:
During the exhibition, the project “Integrated safety of large administrative entities, critical facilities and state borders” will be presented. Based on the analysis of existing threats, the company developed 10 typical technical projects for integrated security systems: to protect borders, ports and the coastal zone, ensure the safety of cities, important industrial facilities, conduct mass sporting events and others. These systems are designed to form a single information space, coordinate and control the actions of various law enforcement agencies and special services, which can significantly increase the effectiveness of the fight against crime, terrorism, riots, illegal migration, and respond quickly in case of emergencies.


В ходе выставки «Defense & Security 2015» планируется обсудить перспективы расширения сотрудничества в том числе и с новыми партнёрами.
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  1. bad
    bad 3 November 2015 18: 58 New
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    new aviation technology especially must be run in Syria .. while there is an opportunity and do not hesitate to professionally promote it .. and there people will stretch .. laughing
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 3 November 2015 19: 02 New
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      Quote: bad
      new aviation technology especially must be run in Syria .. while there is an opportunity and do not hesitate to professionally promote it .. and there people will stretch ..

      The Yak-130 is primarily a training aircraft, and only then a combat aircraft (this was done for small countries that cannot afford to buy training aircraft separately and combat aircraft separately), it is inferior to the Su-25 in terms of protection and combat load.
      1. Altona
        Altona 3 November 2015 19: 06 New
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        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        The Yak-130 is primarily a training aircraft, and only then a combat aircraft (this was done for small countries that cannot afford to buy training aircraft separately and combat aircraft separately), it is inferior to the Su-25 in terms of protection and combat load.

        ---------------------------
        So he is apparently considered as a light attack aircraft, moreover, imprisoned for anti-terrorist operations in order to inflict a targeted blow, for example, on a caravan of smugglers or drug dealers. Why drive a heavy attack aircraft?
      2. maiman61
        maiman61 3 November 2015 19: 28 New
        +5
        That's why they will buy this plane!
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 3 November 2015 21: 16 New
          +5
          almost off topic request
          вчера на страничке многим "знакомого" по видео
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6N_Hi3950#t=11 упыря
          that still mra.zota !!!! (be careful)
          https://vk.com/id261995729
          and there’s such a screen
          From the list of victims in the Russian liner:
          Sayapin Alexey
          Sayapina Natalya

          our forum member ????
          1. Sergey S.
            Sergey S. 3 November 2015 21: 24 New
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            Quote: Dryuya2
            Sayapin Alexey
            Sayapina Natalya
            our forum member ????

            Good memory of the guilty of the dead.
            May God give strength to endure grief to relatives and friends.
      3. mvg
        mvg 3 November 2015 19: 44 New
        +1
        А стоит ЯК больше "Грача", чуть дешевле корейского Т-50, но дороже китайца и итальянца.. При этом без БРЛС и без сверхзвука. Плюс - имитация полета поколения 4+. Так что перспективы него туманные.
        Mi-17 is already selling well (the best in the world), and the T-90 doesn’t need to be steamed for a long time ..
        BUKI and TOR to sell to countries where NATO weapons and standards? Hardly. China makes its air defense, India, in addition to the S-400 is not interested, making its own air defense systems and buying Jewish. APR countries, if solvent, then Patriots, if not, no and no court ..
        So we are going to the exhibition by tourists.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 3 November 2015 20: 27 New
          -2
          And besides, it should be remembered that the Italians had documentation on the Yak with the Italians with whom they worked out in the nineties ... And then the disagreement happened, and the Italians left, taking all the documentation with them.
          1. sergeybulkin
            sergeybulkin 3 November 2015 20: 36 New
            +2
            The Italians left, taking all the documentation with them

            Let them choke negative , I think ours has long been done, fly, certified, then everything is in order.
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 3 November 2015 21: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: sergeybulkin
              Let them choke, I think ours has long been done, fly, certified, then everything is in order.


              For information, colleague:
              The closest foreign counterpart, practically the brother of the Russian aircraft, is the Italian M-346, which was originally developed jointly by the Design Bureau named after Yakovleva and the Italian company L'Alenia Aermacchi. At the final stage of the project, the parties had insoluble disagreements, and they stopped joint development. As a result, each of the 2 firms received full technical documentation for the basic version of the future aircraft (glider). After that, their own UBS models were released.

              Выдержка из статьи Юферева Сергея, ВО 28 декабря 2012 г., "Як-130 и его ближайшие родственники"

              Так что всё нормально коллега, "итальянцы, уходя всё документацию с собой не прихватывали".
              Something like that, colleague. hi
              1. fedotow
                fedotow 4 November 2015 22: 56 New
                0
                Just the glider is least of all similar to domestic developments. It turns out, on the contrary, we grabbed at parting.
        2. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 3 November 2015 20: 33 New
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          Yak 130, in all respects! among such competitors there are none (none at all).
          The only thing is that the Korean T-50 is close to it, but it has one turbine, and with weapons it does not fly yet and may not (purely training), and it is NOT much more expensive, but as much as 10 lemons ... tongue
          1. Mera joota
            Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 30 New
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            Quote: sergeybulkin
            The only thing is that the Korean T-50 is close to it, but it has one turbine

            On the T-50 is General Electric F404, one of the best aircraft engines in the world. Well, anyone with reliability is all right.
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            and with armaments, he does not fly yet or maybe he will not (purely training)

            It depends on which option. They mostly buy the shock version. For example, the T-50 is in service with the Thai Air Force.
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            and as much as 10 lemons bucks ...

            So there is something to pay extra for:
        3. Altona
          Altona 3 November 2015 21: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: mvg
          А стоит ЯК больше "Грача",

          ---------------------
          In general, yes, the Su-25 costs 6 million, and the Yak-130 14 million Washington hryvnia ...
        4. dckx
          dckx 4 November 2015 01: 26 New
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          Позволю не согласится - касательно C-400, сомнительно что система а районе развертывания будет стоять без тех же БУКов и ТОРов, даже при наличии своих ЗРК (что то мне говорит о наличии в данных системах общего информационного "поля"). Если ошибаюсь, поправьте.
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        6. Kadex
          Kadex 4 November 2015 11: 06 New
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          Quote: mvg
          А стоит ЯК больше "Грача"

          Вот этого не знал. Дорогая "парта" получается.
          To tell you the truth, it’s better to have a full-fledged SU-25 attack aircraft, and you can study on the Yak-152, IMHO, of course.
        7. Orionvit
          Orionvit 4 November 2015 14: 10 New
          0
          Не надо ещё забывать, что двигатель Д-222, производился в Запорожье на "Мотор сич". Любые поставки двигателей в Россию запрещены Киевом, чуть-ли не под страхом смертной казни. "Мотор сич" 80% продукции делал для России, теперь после переворота вынужден уже специалистов увольнять.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 4 November 2015 17: 58 New
            0
            I lied, not D-222. and AI-222-25F.
    2. castle
      castle 3 November 2015 22: 49 New
      0
      I’m waiting for your next report from Syria, not from the sofa
  2. fairmen
    fairmen 3 November 2015 18: 59 New
    +2
    YAK 130 is a great car as they say small bug and smelly yes there is nothing to compare with
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 3 November 2015 19: 03 New
      +1
      Пора им заменить Л-39, пусть меняют на наш ЯК. Так-же от Украины вряд ли дождёшься все заказанные "Оплоты" Мы можем помочь с Т-90. Ну и конечно и другие гости пусть мимо наших стендов не проходят.
    2. castle
      castle 3 November 2015 19: 21 New
      +4
      Well, why, nothing to compare?
      You can compare, for example, with the Italian Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master. You can compare with the British Hawker Siddeley Hawk and the new Czech Aero L-39NG, well, and for the sake of slap, you can compare with the Chinese Hongdu L-15 and the South Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle.
      1. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 3 November 2015 21: 02 New
        +2
        We compare, only we have a Yak on the stream, and who else can brag about it, but almost no one!
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: 78bor1973
          We compare, only we have a Yak on the stream, and who else can brag about it, but almost no one!

          except Czech all in a series and are in service with several countries. But you probably are not interested, otherwise they would have checked ...
          Quote: hrad
          with the Italian Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master. You can compare with the British Hawker Siddeley Hawk and the new Czech Aero L-39NG, well, and for the sake of slap, you can compare with the Chinese Hongdu L-15 and the South Korean KAI T-50 Golden Eagle.
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 4 November 2015 00: 22 New
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            Quote: Mera Joota
            Quote: 78bor1973
            We compare, only we have a Yak on the stream, and who else can brag about it, but almost no one!
            except Czech all in a series and are in service with several countries. But you probably are not interested, otherwise they would have checked ...

            Competently, dear colleague, and quite tactfully. hi
  3. Throw
    Throw 3 November 2015 19: 01 New
    0
    The question arose, why aren’t Yak130 used in Syria? Would fly around in conditions close to combat, at the same time and Syrian pilots can be taught. Not all of our rake ..
    1. YGV-97219
      YGV-97219 3 November 2015 19: 09 New
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      Natural question!, From my point of view. As if not in combat conditions to check the second part of the name of the aircraft!
    2. Drshan
      Drshan 3 November 2015 19: 11 New
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      And why training and combat use in combat conditions, if there is enough number of fighting?
      1. Throw
        Throw 3 November 2015 19: 17 New
        +4
        TEACH Syrians.

        И, несмотря на все "ура подбрасывания шапок", нужно признавать, что имеем дело не с регулярной армией и ПВО, а долбаем папуасов. Поэтому условия там все таки приближенные не к боевым, а к авиадартсу.
        It would be good if it stayed ..
      2. ty60
        ty60 3 November 2015 22: 01 New
        +1
        To test in a real battle, the benefit of air defense does not exist.
      3. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 4 November 2015 00: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: DrShAN
        And why training and combat use in combat conditions, if there is enough number of fighting?

        That's truly well-said, Dear Alexander Nikolaevich. hi
    3. avt
      avt 3 November 2015 19: 13 New
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      Quote: Lance
      , along with the Syrian pilots can be taught.

      The Syrians ordered the training of the Yak-130, but where in Syria now to train it!?
      Quote: Lance
      and why the Yak130 is not used in Syria? They would fly around under conditions close to combat

      I don’t understand this sado-maso! request Вот за что так летунов то ? Есть вполне себе в боях проверенный Су-25 , нет ! Давайте вместо него Як испытаем ! А может еще для ,,испытания" парашюты отобрать и пусть в трусах летают ? Все одно жарко и характер в боевых условиях ,,проверят-облетают". wassatА не дай Бог действительно пошлют и еще и собьют , так разом радетели ,,испытания" взвоют - Как могли послать учебный аэроплан в пекло боев !
      1. Throw
        Throw 3 November 2015 19: 18 New
        +5
        Until it bakes, you can fly) see above wink
        We skip parachutes with shorts, and as for Su 25go, first airplanes yet to adoption, at once sent for use in Afghanistan and at the same time brought and made changes.
        That is why 25 and became one of the best attack aircraft.
        bully
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 4 November 2015 00: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: Lance
          Until it bakes, you can fly) see above
          We’ll miss parachutes with shorts, and as for the Su 25th, the first planes, even before they were put into service, were immediately sent for use in Afghanistan and, at the same time, they brought and made changes.
          That is why the 25th and became one of the best attack aircraft.


          Duc, Dear Lance, the situation in Afghanistan and Syria is still different, pay tribute to objectivity, colleague. hi
        2. avt
          avt 4 November 2015 10: 04 New
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          Quote: Lance
          We’ll miss parachutes with shorts, and as for the Su 25th, the first planes, even before they were put into service, were immediately sent for use in Afghanistan and, at the same time, they brought and made changes.

          Campaign does not skip that. wassat Well, really, I don’t even want to think about a simple thought - the Su-25 was originally created as a full-fledged assault aircraft, and the Yak-130 was a training one with the ability to further equip and use it as a combat training, with all the ensuing problems?
    4. Manul
      Manul 3 November 2015 19: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Lance
      Oznik question, why aren't the Yak130 used in Syria? Would fly around in conditions close to combat, at the same time and Syrian pilots can be taught. Not all of our rake ..

      Quote: yugv-xnumx
      Natural question!, From my point of view. As if not in combat conditions to check the second part of the name of the aircraft!

      The Yak-130 in the current training modification does not have any reservations, or sighting systems. In Syria, it is 100% downed, with it from the Kalash. As I understand it, for customers who wished it as a battle reservation, at least some kind of reservation could be made, but he could only fight on a shaving unit. I would think a hundred times before using it for non-educational purposes. Personally, my opinion is that it was completely in vain that there were so many stuffs in this aircraft that they were dumb to use. It would be better to reduce the cost and production of the flight hour, but they made a purely unpretentious training aircraft. I would like to hear from our respected experts on this subject. (Something vaf has not looked at us for a long time request )
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 3 November 2015 19: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: Manul
        , and sighting systems

        An apparatus capable of using KABA sighting systems is a priori. Booking is installed optionally, the radar has not yet been washed down but really wants to.

        This machine will go into battle last, because pilots need no less than airplanes.
        1. Manul
          Manul 3 November 2015 20: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: GRAY
          This machine will go into battle last, because pilots need no less than airplanes.

          1. The essence of the discussions was that the Yak-130 is going to buy poor third countries, which immediately put the car into battle. I am against. This will be a big blow to our image when Yaks fall from heaven onto African land.
          2.Какое бронирование для самолета вы опциально можете установить на самолет, изначально в своей классификации не бронируемый? Бронеспинку? Естественно.Кожухи для наиболее важных узлов? Может быть, но маловероятно.А уж про колпак - мне ли вам говорить? Мы не можем поменять беспереплетный колпак на жесткий только потому хотя бы, что система катапультирования там рассчитана только на эту "лампочку", которая с легкостью разлетается от пирошнура.Чтобы сделать бронированную кабину - нужно переработать систему катапультирования.А это задача на год как минимум.
          We do not know how to produce non-binding armored caps, unlike the Yankees, which means that the cap will remain crystal.
          So how do you optionally want to increase your reservation (and please honestly subtract every kilogram of armor from weapons)? I really, really - very interesting.
          3.
          An apparatus capable of using KABA sighting systems is a priori.
          Вот это "априори" немного смущает Вы располагаете достоверными сведениями ,что на нынешних Як-130 эта система есть? Или производители скажут - "нам нужно время, чтобы ее разработать и испытать"?
          Aiming systems - I don’t dare to argue about them at all. My opinion on this issue comes from the opinions of our esteemed colleagues and comrades. Let them enlighten us on this issue.
          1. GRAY
            GRAY 3 November 2015 21: 03 New
            +2
            Quote: Manul
            The essence of the discussions was that the Yak-130s were going to be bought by poor third countries,

            You drew a Su-25 smile
            The manufacturer claims that he can install an easy reservation (Kevlar from the shooter?).
            There is an aiming complex - air-to-air guided missiles, and he can also use air-to-ground, as well as everything, all tele-controlled.
            Для нищебродских стран, которые захотят его отправить в бой, он не подходит - самолёт предназначен для обучения, в первую очередь. Просто нет смысла платить, в этом случае, за "мозги" способные имитировать различные машины и применение оружия.
            Its use as a light attack aircraft is assumed only in case of war (in the sense that the region will be at all).
            1. Manul
              Manul 3 November 2015 21: 16 New
              0
              Quote: GRAY
              You drew a Su-25
              The manufacturer claims that he can install an easy reservation (Kevlar from the shooter?).
              There is an aiming complex - air-to-air guided missiles, and he can also use air-to-ground, as well as everything, all tele-controlled.
              Для нищебродских стран, которые захотят его отправить в бой, он не подходит - самолёт предназначен для обучения, в первую очередь. Просто нет смысла платить, в этом случае, за "мозги" способные имитировать различные машины и применение оружия.
              Its use as a light attack aircraft is assumed only in case of war (in the sense that the region will be at all).

              hi Well, then all the same, he is training, and he cannot be any combat. If a
              For poor countries that want to send him into battle, he is not suitable
              , then it means that not rogue countries for their tasks will acquire more suitable cars, and not Head-and-Sholders - three in one?
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 4 November 2015 10: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Manul
                Well, then all the same, he is training, and he cannot be any combat

                He is a combat trainer. laughing
                Quote: Manul
                , then it means that not rogue countries for their tasks will acquire more suitable cars, and not Head-and-Sholders - three in one?

                They do not have a fleet of aircraft for which it is necessary to save resources. They will buy garbage bins of the ancients and forward.
            2. Mera joota
              Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 38 New
              +4
              Quote: GRAY
              There is an aiming complex - air-to-air guided missiles, and he can also use air-to-ground, as well as everything, all tele-controlled.

              An aiming complex in both cases is the pilot's eye. In the first case, I use the helmet-mounted target designation system, in the second case, using the GAB KAB-500KR. The Yak-130 does not have its own detection systems.
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 4 November 2015 11: 00 New
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                Quote: Mera Joota
                An aiming complex in both cases is the pilot's eye.

                The detection system and sighting system are, like, slightly different things.
                Even for ordinary bombing, you need a sight and it is there, it's not a biplane from the times of the First World War, after all.
            3. Manul
              Manul 4 November 2015 00: 23 New
              0
              Quote: GRAY
              (Kevlar from the rifleman?)


              hi A very interesting idea. For herdrinks
        2. Mera joota
          Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: GRAY
          An apparatus capable of using KABA sighting systems is a priori.

          NO on the Yak-130 sighting systems. Read the information on the OKB website.
          1. Ustin
            Ustin 4 November 2015 06: 06 New
            0
            Yak-130 with KABami works.
          2. GRAY
            GRAY 4 November 2015 09: 36 New
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            Quote: Mera Joota
            NO on the Yak-130 sighting systems. Read the information on the OKB website.

            "Прицельно-пилотажный комплекс" - это что по вашему?

            With the means of detection at his seams - here I agree.
        3. demel2
          demel2 4 November 2015 07: 58 New
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          My opinion is that pilots need more, a piece of iron can always be configured, people are important.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 3 November 2015 20: 00 New
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        Quote: Manul
        it’s completely in vain that they stuffed so much into this aircraft that it is worth using. It would be better to reduce the cost and production of the flight hour, but made a purely unpretentious training aircraft

        Do you think barmaleys and adversaries will put on full pants, only from the beautiful flight of our falcons?
        Introduced by Barmalea
        - Alla akbar. Russian completely muff became.
        To shoot down with one rocket and to aimly bomb you must be able to fly just as well as beautifully. From that and this car is complicated.
      3. Oman 47
        Oman 47 3 November 2015 20: 26 New
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        Manul
        in the subject of the Yak-130?
        There was information that pasta at the stage of joint development of this apparatus was stolen from our technical documentation; now they release almost the same plane ?! request
        1. Manul
          Manul 3 November 2015 21: 20 New
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          Quote: Oman 47
          There was information that pasta at the stage of joint development of this apparatus was stolen from our technical documentation; now they release almost the same plane ?!

          Alexei, I’m not against training aircraft for any country. They’ve erased their happiness. I’m just trying to make it clear that his purpose is only as a training one. And to use it as a battle is only appropriate because of hopelessness - when there is nothing more to throw into battle.
          1. arane
            arane 3 November 2015 23: 33 New
            +2
            Quote: Manul
            Quote: Oman 47
            There was information that pasta at the stage of joint development of this apparatus was stolen from our technical documentation; now they release almost the same plane ?!

            Alexei, I’m not against training aircraft for any country. They’ve erased their happiness. I’m just trying to make it clear that his purpose is only as a training one. And to use it as a battle is only appropriate because of hopelessness - when there is nothing more to throw into battle.

            Then let him always be with us only training hi
            1. Throw
              Throw 4 November 2015 00: 27 New
              -2
              Какое то упорное повторение "бои" "боевой"..
              The fighting there is on the ground. But there is no air defense. Therefore, in the air, not fights, but air darts!
              1. Manul
                Manul 4 November 2015 07: 47 New
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                Quote: Lance
                The fighting there is on the ground. But there is no air defense. Therefore, in the air, not fights, but air darts!

                ZU-23 is not air defense? Tell the pilots if they suddenly arrive (Pah-pah-pah).
      4. castle
        castle 3 November 2015 20: 31 New
        +1
        У автора есть статистика потерь боевой авиации от огня пехотного оружия? Статистика потерь авиации от боевого применения "Шилки"? "Тунгуски"?
        Броня на самолёте, может, выдержит стрельбу из "Калашникова". Но это ещё попасть надо, а этого практически не бывает. Помню рассказы о том как иракский дед из своего кремнеевого ружья "Йезаил" сбил американский самолёт. Чего только после боя не услышишь!
        And against shells of 20 mm and larger, armor does not save. And why comfort the plane?
        For an attack aircraft, it is more important than a system for detecting, aiming and tracking targets, as well as an anti-aircraft defense system. He worked out his goals and left before they found you.
        1. Manul
          Manul 3 November 2015 21: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: hrad
          У автора есть статистика потерь боевой авиации от огня пехотного оружия? Статистика потерь авиации от боевого применения "Шилки"? "Тунгуски"?
          Броня на самолёте, может, выдержит стрельбу из "Калашникова". Но это ещё попасть надо, а этого практически не бывает. Помню рассказы о том как иракский дед из своего кремнеевого ружья "Йезаил" сбил американский самолёт. Чего только после боя не услышишь!
          And against shells of 20 mm and larger, armor does not save. And why comfort the plane?
          For an attack aircraft, it is more important than a system for detecting, aiming and tracking targets, as well as an anti-aircraft defense system. He worked out his goals and left before they found you.

          Вот так наш "Грач" после боевого вылета возвращался домой.Gray был прав. Я,как оказалось, сравниваю именно с Су-25 hi. Те задачи, которые можно повесить на Як-130, "Грач" выполнит на 100%.Як-130 не справится.Будут большие потери. Другие задачи ему не под силу (вот тут могу ошибаться.Если он может с трех километров сверху класть в "пятак", то может и есть в нем резон, как в боевом.
          But then the question immediately arises - why such a line of weapons? NURSY for example?
          1. castle
            castle 3 November 2015 22: 09 New
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            I meant machine guns, machine guns, artillery systems, but not STINGER or Russian (Chinese) portable systems. In the photo, it seems STINGER worked.
            1. Manul
              Manul 3 November 2015 23: 17 New
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              Report a violation of the rules of the site

              I mean, everything that the Yak-130 will have to face. And all that you listed, it can be deadly for any combat pilot. The Yak-130 does not have ANY reservation
              Броня на самолёте, может, выдержит стрельбу из "Калашникова".
              What do you mean by IL-2?
              For an attack aircraft, it is more important than a system for detecting, aiming and tracking targets, as well as an anti-aircraft defense system. He worked out his goals and left before they found you.

              And we are definitely talking about the Yak-130 with you ????
      5. fedotow
        fedotow 4 November 2015 00: 06 New
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        I do not pretend to be an expert, but I will express my opinion.
        По совокупности характеристик Як-130 реально может занять нишу "Самолета-Калашника". Со всеми вытекающими из этого головными болями для кое-кого. Просто нужно время, чтобы мир это понял
  4. viktor561
    viktor561 3 November 2015 19: 02 New
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    Quote: fairmen
    Yak 130 great car

    The best training aircraft in the world - recognized !!!!!
    1. Manul
      Manul 3 November 2015 19: 33 New
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      Quote: viktor561
      The best training aircraft in the world - recognized !!!!!

      Our mass media and true patriots of Russia.
    2. Maksus
      Maksus 3 November 2015 19: 38 New
      +2
      Who is recognized, if not secret? Who learned to fly on it? We have a little for now ...
      1. viktor561
        viktor561 3 November 2015 19: 43 New
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        In total, from 2012 to the beginning of 2015, the Air Force received 65 Yak-130s, including 55 - built by Irkut under the contract of 2011 and 10 aircraft built by the Sokol. On October 9, 2015, 4 aircraft were still delivered to the training aviation base of the Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School of Pilots (Armavir) - total 69 training machines, which is not much?
        1. Maksus
          Maksus 3 November 2015 19: 53 New
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          Namely, 70 - machines - it's about nothing. They are training, different people work with them, more breakdowns and emergency situations happen than with drill machines.
          1. viktor561
            viktor561 3 November 2015 20: 02 New
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            Are you a pilot? - Training vehicles are always a priori smaller than military ones and 70 are quite a few! And how many attack and fighter aviation pilots graduate from our military military schools per year? - A little more than training aircraft!
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 3 November 2015 21: 08 New
              +3
              Think with your head, not with slogans. How many aviation schools are there in the country? How many cadets do they have? Combat pilots must relearn new technology? And if so, on which machines? Immediately at T50 / PAK-FA? And, again thinking about the operation of training aircraft - a lot of 70 machines throughout the country or not?
            2. Ustin
              Ustin 4 November 2015 06: 24 New
              +1
              70 cars are not a number, if there are cadets and schools. Most likely, after some time it will be necessary to add to the existing fleet. Of course, you can stop the production of aircraft, waiting for the Order. But stopping even for a year will lead to a restart, which will cost a lot of money expensive. And if for a longer period, then resuscitation will be problematic. (This applies to the attack aircraft SU 25, or the same A-10 Amerovsky)
              Да и по цене выйдет значительно дороже ЯКа.Так что поддержка "темы" вполне достойная задача для"Рособоронэкспорта", да и они под это "заточены".
          2. GRAY
            GRAY 3 November 2015 20: 06 New
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            А "о чём" это скока?
            И отдельно интересно "зачем?".
            1. Maksus
              Maksus 3 November 2015 21: 10 New
              +1
              What is it about 120-150 machines to really get a modern training platform, replace the obsolete L-39 (and there are more of them 60 in service) and have several cars in case of an emergency.
              1. Ustin
                Ustin 4 November 2015 06: 29 New
                +1
                You can still pair Yak in each squadron or regiment. Again, for weather reconnaissance, restoration of lost skills, etc. There will be work for him ...
    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 43 New
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      Quote: viktor561
      The best training aircraft in the world - recognized !!!!!

      Who is this? So the most common jet fusion in the world is the British Hawk.
      1. Manul
        Manul 3 November 2015 23: 22 New
        +1
        Quote: Mera Joota
        Who is this? So the most common jet fusion in the world is the British Hawk.

        hi The best post in the branch. IMHO naturally.
  5. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 3 November 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    Думаю ... что экспортные ожидания от самолёта вполне оправданы ... он хорош и многозадачен ... это и отличный относительно недорогой истребитель-бомбардировщик ... и прекрасная "парта" для обучения пилотированию современных авиационных комплексов ...
    It turned out to be a good car.
  6. viktor561
    viktor561 3 November 2015 19: 05 New
    +1
    In Bangkok, it seems Ukrainian armored vehicles are represented - does anyone know this?
    1. Throw
      Throw 3 November 2015 19: 11 New
      +6

      In the course, this is to demonstrate targeted bombing from the Yak laughing
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 45 New
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      Quote: viktor561
      In Bangkok, it seems Ukrainian armored vehicles are represented - does anyone know this?

      They learn to fly on the Korean T-50, Yak-130 nothing shines there.
  7. Nymp
    Nymp 3 November 2015 19: 06 New
    +3
    The Yak-130 with subsonic speed, as well as a completely reliable fighting vehicle. But more suitable for training pilots, as The dashboard has a universal virtual tuning for any Russian aircraft.
  8. Altona
    Altona 3 November 2015 19: 09 New
    +2
    Интерес к танку Т-90МС наверняка подстегнула "Армата" и его рассматривают как бюджетную альтернативу. Да и в Сирии российское, пардон, советское оружие, хоть изношенное, без ЗИПов, изъеденное песком, но воюет...Тем более потенциал танка Т-90 еще не раскрыт на поле боя...
  9. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 3 November 2015 19: 12 New
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    ... the greatest interest on the part of foreign partners is expected in combat training aircraft Yak-130
    Как говорится научись ездить на "велосипеде" и все дороги твои. Да ещё с такими "игрушками".
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 3 November 2015 23: 21 New
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      Quote: s.melioxin
      Как говорится научись ездить на "велосипеде" и все дороги твои. Да ещё с такими "игрушками".

      Honestly, in the Asia-Pacific region, the Yak-130 has nothing to catch. There are no buyers there. Indonesia, the Philippines, Thailand, and the Koreans themselves fly the T-50 Golden Eagle. Australians and Malaysia on Hawk, Chinese on Hongdu L-15, Singapore on M-346 Master ... Everything is clogged ...
      1. Ustin
        Ustin 4 November 2015 06: 08 New
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        And Bangladesh, Myanmar is not in this region?
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 4 November 2015 10: 45 New
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          Quote: Ustin
          And Bangladesh, Myanmar is not in this region?

          Is it a scheme to sell on credit, and then write off the debt?
  10. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 3 November 2015 19: 40 New
    +2
    It is significant that the BTR-80A is also held in high esteem. Armored personnel carrier.
  11. Maksus
    Maksus 3 November 2015 19: 42 New
    +1
    Все таки ЯК - это учебный самолет, этакий супер-тренажер, а все эти "игрушки" для тренировок не более. Даже для контрпартизанских действий он слишком требователен - нужна полоса нормальная, обслуживание, да и брони маловато. А значит и рынок для него - страны, в которых наши самолеты на вооружении, а список этот сокращается, так как активно мешают китайцы со своим дешевым подобием нашей техники. Ну и рынок натовских стран - тоже мимо.
  12. mvg
    mvg 3 November 2015 20: 01 New
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    Як-130. Не сильно удачная машина, я не слышал про экспортные заказы, кроме Белоруссии (Сирийцам втюхали "вдолг"). Все - таки итальянцы и чехи в этой нише подольше "плавают", не даром в СССР учебными были Аэро.. И, как и писал ранее, по деньгам проигрывают Китаю (с хохловскими движками), по оснащению Италии, и, особенно, Корее. То, что их наши ВВС закупили, так для них и делали.. чешские L уже старенькие совсем. Да и полностью развалить КБ Яковлева не желательно. Это просто мнение, не претендует на единственную правду.
    Yes, and the combat option to remodel, add armor, sights, with its combat load of 2 tons ... and at the cost, a dubious undertaking.
    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER 3 November 2015 20: 24 New
      +1
      Algeria, Bangladesh, Belarus, Vietnam!
      1. mvg
        mvg 3 November 2015 23: 57 New
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        4 Belarusians, have not bought yet, are waiting for a present. 6 Vietnam .. also, like, 6 want to .. Algeria-fly to SU. This is a penny .. All traditional partners fly on MiGs and Sushki .. An hour flight on Yak is cheaper .. I talked about NEW markets ..
        1. TSOOBER
          TSOOBER 4 November 2015 13: 05 New
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          Malaysia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Philippines
    2. dmmyak40
      dmmyak40 3 November 2015 20: 57 New
      +1
      You should not refer to Aero - this is not a very good example, because the decision to purchase Elek was made political, as, for example, in the case of the L-410. Those. just supporting industry of the CMEA country, but to the detriment of its
      1. castle
        castle 3 November 2015 23: 53 New
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        Dear dmmyak40! I can not agree with you. Not because I am Czech, but because I was with that one. It's just that there was nothing better in the CMEA in this category than the L-39 (the PZL TS-11 Iskra was left to the Poles), and what was better than the L-410 for a specific task? And there were no competitors in the CMEA where to build. And, for God's sake, do not talk about the support of the Czechoslovak industry from the USSR. And without the USSR they were not in the last places. Maybe in vain, but now the Russian owner of the Czech company Let Kunovice, is trying again to take into the air all the L-410 aircraft that are on the territory of Russia, and may build the old L-610. We will wait and see.
      2. mvg
        mvg 4 November 2015 00: 03 New
        +2
        Сколько L'ек было в стране? Это только для поддержания штанов у чехов? КБ Яковлева было сильно загружено? Як-38, 41, 43.., вариант с самолетом ДРЛО, и все крупносерийные? Может на гражданке творили "чудеса", ЯК-40 например? У нас КБ разваливались, МиГ чудом уцелел, Антонов оказался в другой стране..
        PS: Just now I saw the comment below. I wanted to write that the yugs and Czechs in the police department lived better than anyone else ...
        1. castle
          castle 4 November 2015 00: 53 New
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          QUIZ for respected mvg:
          How many Czech ZLIN sports planes were in the USSR flying clubs?
          Are you familiar with the acrobatic world champion Zlín Z-50?
          Do you know that some states, friends of the USSR, bought Czechoslovak planes instead of Soviet ones?
          Especially after 1989
          What do you know about the Czechoslovak Let L-200 Morava?
          And pants, better support yourself
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 4 November 2015 15: 22 New
            +3
            Please answer the question! And where is the boasted Czech aircraft now? Does anyone buy them? Russia only bought a few l410 ... Czech planes will remain in the past, and soon they will be completely forgotten. So the USSR bought them precisely to keep the Czechs in trousers, that is, for political reasons, and not because they themselves could not do better! Time puts everything in its place.
  13. polite people
    polite people 3 November 2015 20: 21 New
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    Quote: bad
    new aviation technology especially must be run in Syria .. while there is an opportunity and do not hesitate to professionally promote it .. and there people will stretch .. laughing

    Already run in.
  14. sabakina
    sabakina 3 November 2015 20: 40 New
    +2
    ЯША в первую очередь УЧЕБНЫЙ, а потом уже БОЕВОЙ. Если мы будем учить сирийцев в России-от этого качество учёбы пострадает? Это не просто "летающая парта", это полная имитация боевого, который может имитировать различные типы самолетов.
    My view of the layman on aviation.
    1. fedotow
      fedotow 4 November 2015 19: 48 New
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      "ЯША в первую очередь УЧЕБНЫЙ..."

      Not certainly in that way. Here you go: firm Yak squeezed from the cake. Only the order for the training machine was torn off. But itches. What they came up with. Out of the blue, and for the money received on order, they developed a flying rat. A small airplane, with a huge thrust-weight ratio (two engines from large, real fighters). Yes, even a modular design. During the night it can be converted into a small, but real, modern attack aircraft, bomber or interceptor.

      Расчет на то, что любая страна третьего мира, которая не может себе позволить самолеты, получает возможность купить "самолет-калашников". И как минимум посбивать всех кто сунется в воздушное пространство. а если доплатить за дополнительные модули, то и наносить удары.
  15. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 3 November 2015 20: 41 New
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    Who is in the subject? Infa slipped on the network that they would make an attack drone based on the Yak-130.
    1. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 3 November 2015 21: 54 New
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      Quote: Pilot bin-bom
      Yak-130 will make a shock drone

      Yes, songwriters have already been talking about strategic drones)))))
    2. Mera joota
      Mera joota 3 November 2015 22: 58 New
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      Quote: Pilot Bin Bom
      Who is in the subject? Infa slipped on the network that they would make an attack drone based on the Yak-130.

      I didn’t hear about the drone, but they are working on (or worked on) the strike version. It just seems like no concept has yet been upset judging by this absurdity:
    3. fedotow
      fedotow 4 November 2015 19: 27 New
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      "Кто в теме? В сети проскакивала инфа, что на базе Як-130 будут делать ударный беспилотник".

      Why guess something? The developer immediately announced that the possibility of using an unmanned version was originally incorporated into the design. It is of modular design.
  16. propolsky
    propolsky 3 November 2015 20: 47 New
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    The plane is good and will be interesting to many countries, and at the same time it will fly in different climatic conditions. Subsequent improvements will be even better.
  17. Alex Nick
    Alex Nick 3 November 2015 21: 16 New
    +1
    Flying school desk, that's all.
  18. Mik-51
    Mik-51 3 November 2015 21: 48 New
    +4
    Here I read a lot of experts.
    I remember - before and during the Second World War II, as soon as they did not call me - Rus plywood, a flying box, etc., etc., etc., etc.
    We had a teacher at the bombing department of the Rappoport submarine, blessed with his memory - I flew into the regiment of night bombers throughout the Po-2 war.
    They also said that you can shoot down a slingshot.
    Yes - you can shoot down, especially with modern air defense.
    But!
    If applied where necessary and as it should, then this bird can also do a lot of harm to the thief.
    And do not give me theoretical delights - I’m a practitioner, I had to bomb and throw rubber bands from my underpants.
    1. Manul
      Manul 4 November 2015 08: 13 New
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      Quote: mik-51
      Here I read a lot of experts.
      I remember - before and during the Second World War II, as soon as they did not call me - Rus plywood, a flying box, etc., etc., etc., etc.
      We had a teacher at the bombing department of the Rappoport submarine, blessed with his memory - I flew into the regiment of night bombers throughout the Po-2 war.
      They also said that you can shoot down a slingshot.
      Yes - you can shoot down, especially with modern air defense.
      But!
      If applied where necessary and as it should, then this bird can also do a lot of harm to the thief.
      And do not give me theoretical delights - I’m a practitioner, I had to bomb and throw rubber bands from my underpants.

      hi And what, Po-2 were used because of their exclusivity? Or was it because there was nothing to fight, the choice was small?
      Comparison with Po-2 is very successful on your part. Both are training. So you suggest that the Yak-130 should also be used? At night, and navigate the bombing by flashes of anti-aircraft guns (navigator)?
      Or maybe still leave him training, and send Su-34 on a mission? (Sorry to be ironic, I could not resist.)
  19. guest arbeiter
    guest arbeiter 3 November 2015 22: 44 New
    -2
    I don’t get into the topic ... The son dragged two suitcases: large and small. In the small one, the sight is 43 cm long. In the big one, I don’t know ... Android rules me all the time ...
    The son has been staying at home for 3 weeks ... Mother is happy! They passed the product!
    Before that, he had no days off!
    Just 10 months!
    It's funny, but the son believes that dad is no longer an engineer!
    Well yes! Sure! In England and Germany did not study ...
    My son happened ...
  20. Ruby
    Ruby 4 November 2015 01: 05 New
    +1
    If a country can afford to take a combat training vehicle for 15 million, then it has someone to teach and what to fly on combat missions. Other Honduras will buy for that kind of money, or 2-3 new Su25s, which are an order of magnitude superior to Yak as an attack aircraft, or they’ll find some in the market, such as F5 or the Chinese.
  21. Termit1309
    Termit1309 4 November 2015 04: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: hrad
    How many Czech ZLIN sports planes were in the USSR flying clubs?
    Are you familiar with the acrobatic world champion Zlín Z-50?
    Do you know that some states, friends of the USSR, bought Czechoslovak planes instead of Soviet ones?
    Especially after 1989
    What do you know about the Czechoslovak Let L-200 Morava?
    And pants, better support yourself

    It was ... they bought ... All your successes were part of the CMEA, and with the support of your USSR aircraft industry. At the time of the choice of Czechoslovakia as the country of manufacture of TCBs in the USSR, at least the worst ones were created.
    Actually now neither the country of Czechoslovakia nor its aircraft industry is now there. About the factory where the Russians make L-410 for Russia, please do not write, it's ridiculous.
    And without the USSR, they were not in the last places
    Where are you now without the USSR?