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The disaster in Egypt: the press, information and assumptions

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On the morning of October 31, the largest disaster occurred stories egyptian civil aviation and one of the largest in Russian history. As a result of the crash of the Metrojet / Kogalymavia Airbus A321 passenger aircraft over the Sinai Peninsula, 217 passengers and 7 crew members were killed. Around 07:15 am Moscow time, the plane stopped communicating and disappeared from the radar screens. A few hours later, the participants in the search operation managed to find the place where the liner fell. The causes of the disaster are being clarified.


By now, the course of events preceding the crash has become known. The A321 aircraft (registration number EI-ETJ) performed its last successful flight on October 30, taking passengers from Samara to Egyptian Sharm el-Sheikh. In Egypt, the liner has undergone the necessary maintenance and was prepared for the next flight. The next morning the plane was supposed to go to St. Petersburg. In 05: 49 local time (06: 49 Moscow time), an airplane carrying 217 passengers on board took off and headed for the Mediterranean Sea, moving over the Sinai Peninsula. In 06: 13 communication with the liner has ceased. A few minutes later he crashed in 50 km from the city of Nehel.

The case of the crash of the plane of the Russian airline Metrojet is being investigated by experts from several countries. The main role in the investigation, in accordance with existing international standards, is played by representatives of the aviation authorities of Egypt. Also in the investigation involved experts from Russia, France, Germany and Ireland, as well as representatives of Airbus, who built the fallen plane. In addition, the Russian Investigation Committee opened criminal cases under articles 263 and 238 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.



Finding out all the causes of the tragedy will take some time. Representatives of the investigation and aviation authorities of Russia and Egypt announce some details of the investigation, but the full picture of the incident is still a secret even for specialists. Despite this, the disaster over the Sinai Peninsula has already become the ground for the emergence of various versions, rumors and speculations. In the domestic and foreign press there are various arguments on the causes of the disaster, as well as various unverified and unconfirmed information. Participants of numerous discussions keep up with the press.

It should be noted, the press reports still allow us to draw up an approximate picture of the catastrophe, and also allow us to receive new data on the investigation progress in a timely manner. However, some media outlets do not disdain to publish information from unverified or anonymous sources. Such information is of insufficient value, but it can still be a reason for discussion and controversy. Consider the press information and versions offered as an explanation of the causes of the disaster.

The overwhelming majority of aviation incidents and incidents, including those resulting in casualties, occur due to technical reasons or due to so-called. human factor. In this case, the causes of accidents and disasters are improper maintenance of equipment on the ground or incorrect actions of the crew during the flight. To identify the wrong actions of pilots or technicians, careful examination of the flight recorders, the wreckage of the aircraft, various documentation, etc. is required. This takes some time, because of which the identification of such possible causes of the incident cannot be completed as soon as possible.

This feature of the investigation of catastrophes can be used by some unscrupulous individuals who are trying to get their "dividends" from the current topic until the appearance of full-fledged official information. In addition, because of this, various "stuffing" are not excluded.

Despite the difficulties in determining the technical prerequisites for accidents, some versions of this nature have already appeared. So, already a few hours after the plane crashed, the NTV channel reported on some technical problems of the EI-ETJ board. With reference to the widow of the deceased second pilot Sergei Trukhachev, it was reported that he had complained before the flight about the condition of the airliner. Other details, for obvious reasons, were not reported.

On November 2, Kogalymavia Airlines published documents on the maintenance of the crashed aircraft. In addition, the relevant papers were handed over to the Investigative Committee. From the documents it follows that the aircraft A321 regularly underwent inspections and maintenance, so that was in good condition and could be used for the transport of passengers. In addition, in March next year, the aircraft had to undergo a comprehensive form of service (the so-called C-Check).

Representatives of the airline operator believe that the crash was not caused by any failure of the onboard equipment or other accident. During the November 2 press conference, deputy general director of Kogalymavia for the organization of flight operations, Alexander Smirnov, said that due to the equipment failure, the plane had to fall to the ground and only then collapse. Nevertheless, the liner collapsed in the air, which indicates a certain external influence.

The specialists of Kogalymavia / Metrojet do not adhere to any specific versions yet, however, they completely eliminate problems with equipment and pilot errors. In addition, A. Smirnov urged to wait for the completion of the official investigation.

In the context of the technical problems of the aircraft, a version is expressed, according to which the October 31 crash resulted from the 2001 incident of the year. According to foreign and domestic press, in 2001, the crew of the A321 made an inaccurate landing, during which the tail of the fuselage hit the runway. Soon the car was repaired, after which its operation continued. Some experts believe that the damage received by the liner back in 2001 could have been felt through 14 years.

As indirect evidence of this, the results of the investigation of the crash of Boeing 747 aircraft near Tokyo and over the Taiwan Strait in 1985 and 2002 respectively are presented. In both cases, there was damage to the units of the tail section of the aircraft in case of improper landing, repair and destruction of damaged parts in flight after several years. Thus, at the moment it is impossible to completely exclude the possibility that since 2001, some fatigue damage appeared in the EI-ETJ aircraft design, which led to the recent catastrophe.

It should be noted, the special attention of the press and the public was attracted by the fact that the A321 aircraft collapsed in the air during the incident and fell to the ground in the form of several large parts and many small fragments. Shortly after the completion of the search for the main wreckage, the Interstate Aviation Committee confirmed the information about the dispersion of parts of the liner over a fairly large area. Separate parts of the car fell at a distance of several kilometers from each other. In this case, the tail of the fuselage with the tail fell separately from the rest of the aircraft.

Information about the destruction of the aircraft in the air can reveal some details of the incident and direct the investigation along the right path. Nevertheless, this information further complicates the current picture, and also serves as a pretext for new speculations. The destruction of the liner in flight, followed by a fall to the ground, is attempted to be explained by various factors that are not related to the design or operation of the vehicle.



Already on October 31, reports appeared that the terrorist organization Islamic State (banned in Russia) claimed responsibility for the crash of an Airbus A321 aircraft. The terrorists did not provide any evidence of their version, and soon officials refuted their statements. A number of media outlets, and then the Minister of Transport of Russia, Maxim Sokolov, said that such statements are not reliable. In addition, with reference to unnamed sources, it was reported that there were no traces of the terrorist act on the wreckage of the aircraft.

The version of the involvement of the "Islamic State" quickly spread through various channels, but soon disappeared no less quickly. At the time of the loss of communication, the Kogalymavia liner was at an altitude higher than 9100. Terrorists simply do not have anti-aircraft weapons that can destroy a target at that height. Their portable anti-aircraft missile systems have a significantly lower target height, and systems with higher characteristics are either completely absent or could not be secretly delivered to the disaster area.

Simultaneously with the version of the destruction of the aircraft by a rocket, immediately disproved, an assumption appeared about the possible undermining of an explosive device on board the aircraft, which led to its destruction. Nevertheless, already on the first day after the incident, information appeared about the absence of any traces of the terrorist act, as well as the relevant statements of the officials. As a result, there is every reason not to consider the version of the actions of terrorists as one of the main ones.

In the afternoon of November 2, Reuters news agency reported, citing an unnamed representative from the Egyptian Aviation Accidents Committee, that experts had already begun to decipher the flight recorder records. The source said that the crew of the crashed aircraft did not give distress signals. In addition, during the crash the liner was not exposed to any external influences. The source did not disclose other information, but noted that work with “black boxes” is ongoing.

3 in November (in the evening of 2 in November local time) the analytic agency Stratfor published its report with preliminary conclusions. Using information from their own and open sources, the experts of this organization came to the conclusion that the most likely cause of the collapse of the liner over the Sinai Peninsula is an explosion on board. The Stratforr experts do not exclude the possibility of any technical problems, however, they consider them unlikely. In addition, they call the untenable version of an attack using MANPADS. In this case, the analysts believe that the most likely cause of the disaster is the explosion of an explosive device on board the aircraft.

It should be noted that the first information about the absence of traces of a terrorist act or evidence of the use of explosives appeared only a few hours after the plane crashed, and soon received some confirmation. Nevertheless, Stratfor urges not to completely abandon the version of the explosion of the liner, including because traces of the explosive can be found and those fragments that have not yet been studied by experts.

Stratfor notes that at the time of the disaster, one of the American satellites recorded a thermal flash in the area where the aircraft was located. There are no other suspicious heat traces, which, in particular, refutes the version of the use of anti-aircraft missiles. Satellite data that fell to the Stratfor specialists has not yet been published. The Interstate Aviation Committee, as reported by TASS with reference to a representative of this organization, cannot yet confirm or deny the information of American analysts about the outbreak.

Currently, experts from Russia, Egypt, France and other countries continue to study the wreckage of a fallen plane. In addition, the Emergency Situations Ministry and the Egyptian rescue services continue to search for and evacuate the bodies. The investigation into the causes of the disaster is in its earliest stages, and experts are looking for evidence and evidence that can confirm or deny any of the existing versions.

The investigation will take some time and may last for several months. Its result will be a full-fledged report with all the details of the incident, in which the full picture of the situation will be described, as well as its reasons. However, long before the appearance of the official report, experts who are not related to the official investigation and the public are trying to determine the causes of the disaster using only open data. Press materials have already allowed the formation of several versions that differ in the amount of evidence and plausibility. Which of them most fully corresponds to reality - will show the investigation.


On the materials of the sites:
http://ria.ru/
http://tass.ru/
http://interfax.ru/
http://forbes.ru/
http://reuters.com/
http://svpressa.ru/
http://rbc.ru/
http://stratfor.com/
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  1. antikilller55
    antikilller55 4 November 2015 06: 27 New
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    Land in peace, to all the dead! Guys we remember you, you are forever in our hearts! If any bearded beast did it under the black flag, I really want him to be found anywhere in the world and in the toilet. Forgive my friends for pathos and big words, but the pain in the soul is very strong.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 4 November 2015 08: 03 New
      +9
      Let the earth be all in peace. Very sorry for the dead.
      We will not scream like the Anglo-Saxons after the crash over Ukraine, but wait for the end of the investigation. Here the Anglo-Saxons will have little influence on the investigation and the outcome, and it is not the Netherlands that are conducting the investigation
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 4 November 2015 15: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Sterlya
        Let's not scream

        press reports still provide an approximate picture of the disaster

        ... media reports in this case (like VO), rather, cause confusion and tear to the head of the layman ...
        In fact, little is known and to draw conclusions on this muddy wave is really to catch "your own fish", especially if it is not there ...

        Specifically about the "tail strike", in 2001 there was such a case.
        BUT! The repair was carried out in Toulouse, at the Airbus factory (a new tail was actually installed in the factory), which completely removes further insinuations and speculations on this topic.
        And so, practically, with all the "fried" facts that are given in the media ...
    2. Tomich2
      Tomich2 4 November 2015 21: 47 New
      -3
      who's stopping you sofa warrior from finding them yourself?
  2. svp67
    svp67 4 November 2015 06: 33 New
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    10 to 1 that it was a terrorist attack. The same 10 to 1 that our authorities will delay the recognition of this fact for a very long time, for various reasons.
    I offer my condolences to all the relatives of the victims.
    And I really want to believe that everyone who is guilty of this tragedy will suffer deserved punishment.
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 4 November 2015 07: 14 New
      -15
      People with the 5 size of their silicone breasts present a risk to the passengers of the aircraft at an altitude of 10 km. Do not fit in explosive. It boils down to the fact that every day there are more facts of an explosion as a result of a bomb being carried on board, and the Kremlin and Cairo are trying to take this away. Traces of explosives have already been found on the bodies; forensic experts are already talking about this. Now it is expected that the investigation will take months. What will the duck compose for the public? How is Holland MH-17? So how is our propaganda different from western?
      1. blind
        blind 4 November 2015 07: 57 New
        -5
        your Scandinavian propaganda is actually very different from ours
      2. kashtak
        kashtak 4 November 2015 08: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: Scandinavian
        The Kremlin and Cairo are trying to sweep it away. Traces of explosives have already been found on the bodies

        perhaps you are right propaganda, it is propaganda everywhere. be so kind as a footnote who, where and when said this? references to journalists and anonymous "experts" are not accepted. let's wait for more reliable information. By the way, it doesn't take months to compose more ducks. which we observe. it was already in the nineties, any fire different CNN tried to declare a terrorist attack. the reception is simple but effective in its own way.
        1. Scandinavian
          Scandinavian 4 November 2015 08: 22 New
          0
          Experts found explosive injuries in A321 passengers
          If you consider that VGTRK will be blowing with Lifenews in one format, then you can read this link http://lifenews.ru/news/167897
          1. kashtak
            kashtak 4 November 2015 09: 37 New
            +5
            explosive injuries or traces of explosives? the same experts allow a fuel tank explosion. reported heat flare. agree this is not exactly the same thing. the tank could also explode from the mine, but why hide it? yes and how? traces of explosives are usually detected quickly. international commission. there would be traces of this would have been officially announced. the same aircraft manufacturers or those responsible for the operation will support. if this removes the questions for them. no?
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 4 November 2015 11: 43 New
              +1
              Quote: kashtak
              why hide it?

              This is very unprofitable for Egypt, this is evidence of the weakness of its security service, and in this case it will become extreme
            2. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 5 November 2015 14: 41 New
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              ..... the same experts admit a fuel tank explosion. reported heat flare. ...

              .... Tank explosion in the tail section ????? .... All tanks are located in the wing and center section .... In the tail section (as well as in the front, only luggage compartments) ..... If "exploded" engine (some kind of abnormal term), then the fuselage would have burst in half near the center section ...
          2. Axis
            Axis 4 November 2015 09: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: Scandinavian
            Experts found traces of explosives in A321 passengers
            If you consider that VGTRK will be blowing with Lifenews in one format, then you can read this link http://lifenews.ru/news/167897


            There is such an article, but it is also called differently: Experts found explosive injuries in A321 passengers, and it says: "According to sources, fuel tanks could explode or an unidentified explosive device went off. The areas of burnt tissues of passengers have already been sent for analysis. They are being examined for traces of explosives.".

            Why are you carrying unverified information to the masses?
            1. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 5 November 2015 14: 44 New
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              .... fuel tanks could explode ...

              .... Kerosene itself does not explode .... It does not even burn at this altitude (about 10 km) (there is little oxygen in the air) .... And if there is "some kind of device", then it is clearly not a New Year's firecracker with black powder .....
      3. Koshak
        Koshak 4 November 2015 09: 41 New
        +2
        Quote: Scandinavian
        It boils down to the fact that every day there are more facts of an explosion as a result of a bomb being carried on board, and the Kremlin and Cairo are trying to take this away. Traces of explosives have already been found on the bodies; forensic experts are already talking about this. Now it is expected that the investigation will take months. What will the duck compose for the public? How is Holland MH-17? So how is our propaganda different from western?

        Our "propaganda" does not say anything yet, but the Egyptian one is already beginning to scream about an explosion on board like, "this cannot be, because it cannot be"
        Egyptian President criticized the version of the attack in the collapse of the Russian A321
        http://www.aif.ru/incidents/prezident_egipta_raskritikoval_versiyu_terakta_v_kru
        shenii_rossiyskogo_a321
      4. win
        win 4 November 2015 13: 48 New
        +2
        So how is our propaganda different from western?


        That western, that eastern - are the same ...
        The South Korean newspaper Korea Times showed its bestial nature.
        On the website of the publication there is a drawing depicting an astonished death with a scythe and with the inscription "fate" on a cloak standing next to the wreckage of an airliner lying on the ground. In the sky above them, a vulture hovers in a suicide vest with the inscription "Islamists of Sinai" and shouts - "I did it!".
        In 2010, the Korea Times found itself at the center of an international scandal after it printed a caricature insulting the memory of the victims of the Moscow metro attacks
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 4 November 2015 09: 40 New
      -2
      Quote: svp67
      10 to 1 that it was a terrorist attack. The same 10 to 1 that our authorities will delay the recognition of this fact for a very long time, for various reasons.

      There is no reason to say so, I don’t see. Arrogance often punishes the wearer
      1. svp67
        svp67 4 November 2015 10: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: Sterlya
        There is no reason to say so, I don’t see.

        I expressed my opinion, you are yours. Each of us has the right to do this.
        Say "you don't see the reasons", but I can see them.
        Quote: Sterlya
        Arrogance often punishes the wearer
        And where do you see my "arrogance"? I can argue my point on this issue.
        1. gans_sp
          gans_sp 4 November 2015 11: 28 New
          +2
          That the attack was just as sure, but I don’t agree that they will delay the recognition of the fact. Now, due to considerations of the investigation, they may not disclose it, not without reason that the Russian planes in their charm are being delayed, they are looking for bookmarks. Against the background of a clearly biased investigation into the crash of MH17, it is in our interests to conduct an analysis of the Sinai tragedy as quickly and transparently as possible.
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 November 2015 11: 52 New
            -1
            Quote: gans_sp
            But the fact that they will delay the recognition of the fact, I do not agree.

            My arguments are that they will be addictive.
            1. Politics. Our relationship with Egypt. They are now at a very high level. And Egypt is simply "vitally" interested that it would not be a terrorist attack, otherwise the flow of tourists will fall at times, and for Egypt this is real money. Which he, by the way, is ready to spend on the purchase of our grain and our weapons.
            2. Special. Keep those who did this in ignorance, and during this time try to find not only the performers, but also open the whole chain, ideally, either capture or destroy them, and in the shortest possible time. Then the very fact that a terrorist attack was slapped can be partially leveled ...
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          3. lis-ik
            lis-ik 4 November 2015 14: 59 New
            +1
            They will be delayed, first of all, they are afraid of public opinion, which may change into well-known events, in the second Egypt at this stage, as it were, the partner and I don’t really want to substitute him either.
        2. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 4 November 2015 12: 02 New
          0
          I completely agree with you .. Too many facts have merged together, here is the operation of our VKS, and the threat of terrorist attacks, the place of the catastrophe itself ..
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Sterlya
          There is no reason to say so, I don’t see.

          I expressed my opinion, you are yours. Each of us has the right to do this.
          Say "you don't see the reasons", but I can see them.
          Quote: Sterlya
          Arrogance often punishes the wearer
          And where do you see my "arrogance"? I can argue my point on this issue.
    3. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 11: 53 New
      +1
      Having drawn special forums: either a terrorist attack or the destruction of the stabilizer. If the latter is a criminal negligence of airport technicians. In any other cases (failure of all engines, etc.) the plane would simply dive.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 4 November 2015 15: 24 New
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        Quote: Andrey77
        or the destruction of the stabilizer. If the latter is a criminal negligence of airport technicians.

        ... and you have not thought, or have not tried to further study there the topic of possible reasons for the "detachment of the tail"?
        Tail separation is already a consequence and a further reason for the destruction of the liner.
        And what was the "trigger" is still unknown. And hardly "malfunction" or "improper care" ...
      2. saksan
        saksan 5 November 2015 06: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        the plane would simply dive.


        So it was. This is evidenced by the drop in speed from cruising mode to runway speed, a sharp drop in altitude and an increase in the vertical speed of descent. Apparently the explosion occurred in the luggage compartment of the aircraft. This is my opinion.
    4. Rus2012
      Rus2012 4 November 2015 15: 14 New
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      . The same 10 to 1 that our authorities will delay recognition of this fact for a very long time

      ... think again!
      Recognition of the disaster due to malfunctioning, rather, is beneficial to Egypt.
      And let's say the fact of a terrorist act of sabotage is for the manufacturer and the operator (and the authorities) ...
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 4 November 2015 06: 34 New
    +2
    Press materials have already allowed the formation of several versions, differing in the amount of evidence and credibility. Which of them most fully corresponds to reality - show investigation.

    We will not rush things and once again stir up the grief of relatives and friends of the deceased ...
  4. veteran66
    veteran66 4 November 2015 06: 35 New
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    Now everyone will pull the blanket over themselves, the Egyptians will say that the plane was well serviced and there could be no terrorist attack, the Airbassers will say that this is the best plane that cannot be dropped, the owners will say that it went through a wonderful maintenance, but the operators of course would praise both the crew and the plane .... it would not hurt the objectivity of the investigation. To the dead - the earth rest in peace.
    1. dsi
      dsi 4 November 2015 06: 54 New
      -2
      the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served and there could be no act of terrorism,

      The liner was served by technicians from Kagalym Avia, the Egyptians were not outside.
      ps Kagalym - a bad place (wiki)
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 4 November 2015 07: 22 New
        +2
        Quote: dsi
        the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served and there could be no act of terrorism,

        The liner was served by technicians from Kagalym Avia, the Egyptians were not outside.
        ps Kagalym - a bad place (wiki)


        Well, firstly - Kogalym, and secondly, the Khanty's “kogalym” is just a swamp.
        1. atalef
          atalef 4 November 2015 07: 38 New
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          Quote: Alexey Lobanov
          Quote: dsi
          the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served and there could be no act of terrorism,

          The liner was served by technicians from Kagalym Avia, the Egyptians were not outside.
          ps Kagalym - a bad place (wiki)


          Well, firstly - Kogalym, and secondly, the Khanty's “kogalym” is just a swamp.

          yes, as you call a yacht, so it will sail
          In general, more and more press reports about the unsatisfactory condition of the aircraft.
          Horror, yesterday brought to Peter the remains of the whole family of my classmate, Leshki Bogdanov. May the earth be with him and his whole family rest in peace.
          And the guilty will answer in full !!!
          1. blind
            blind 4 November 2015 07: 55 New
            0
            I would like to believe in it
          2. venaya
            venaya 4 November 2015 09: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: dsi
            ... the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served and there could be no act of terrorism ...
            And the guilty will answer in full !!!

            Judging by the huge amount of information already available, the last remark that: "the guilty will answer in full" - I already have justified doubts. Yes, the investigation itself cannot be completed, nothing can be said in the affirmative. But why can't you express your opinion in an affirmative tone? For me it is unambiguous: a very well-organized terrorist attack, judging by how and when and where it was carried out, they will definitely not find the customers, but with the performers, as always, something terrible will happen.
            PS: Eyewitnesses say Egypt’s mess is very convenient for performers.
          3. Sterlya
            Sterlya 4 November 2015 09: 53 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            In general, more and more press reports about the unsatisfactory condition of the aircraft.

            Alas. I think so too. Yesterday I also spoke with a friend on this topic. Reminding him that he constantly talked to me about problems in the car, (and other drivers too) and mechanics and other "managers" force me to leave, and to be honest, sometimes I myself know that there are problems, but you have to go, time for repairs no. Here you go. We are at least on the ground, and you plan what's what, if that. And in the sky there is no such possibility.
          4. alicante11
            alicante11 4 November 2015 11: 24 New
            0
            And the guilty will answer in full !!!


            Will you bomb? And if the perpetrators - the one behind the Ocean - will also be answered?
        2. dsi
          dsi 4 November 2015 08: 05 New
          +3
          Kogalym

          Yes, everything is simple, I grieve. There are all mine ...
      2. Gregazov
        Gregazov 4 November 2015 08: 40 New
        -3
        [quote = dsi] [quote]
        ps Kagalym - a bad place (wiki) [/ quote]
        I think that everything is much simpler. Kago - baggage, lym (lim) - restriction. Those. transportation with small baggage. By reducing luggage, the number of passengers increases, and the ticket price decreases. In my opinion, this slogan in the Russian version of pronunciation gave the name of the company.
      3. Koshak
        Koshak 4 November 2015 09: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: dsi
        The liner was served by technicians from Kagalym Avia, the Egyptians were not outside.

        And the luggage was loaded by the Egyptians. Who can guarantee that they have not downloaded something "extra"?
      4. veteran66
        veteran66 4 November 2015 10: 18 New
        0
        I meant refueling fuels and lubricants, loading baggage, side rations, delivering passengers and ensuring safety
      5. sa-ag
        sa-ag 4 November 2015 11: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: dsi
        ps Kagalym - a stupid place

        Well Kogalym is the capital of Lukoil :-)
      6. saksan
        saksan 5 November 2015 07: 24 New
        0
        Quote: dsi
        the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served and there could be no act of terrorism,

        The liner was served by technicians from Kagalym Avia, the Egyptians were not outside.
        ps Kagalym - a bad place (wiki)


        The Egyptians are just in the business: pre-flight service, refueling, baggage loading is a great opportunity to put a WU with a membrane fuse.
    2. go21zd45few
      go21zd45few 4 November 2015 07: 34 New
      +3
      Yes, we have a situation where the air carrier, the carrier are in the first place profit and not the safety of passengers. When this mess ends it is not known. I will scribble for the dead, especially for the angels.
    3. blind
      blind 4 November 2015 07: 56 New
      -1
      Now everyone will pull the blanket over themselves, the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served

      the plane was not serviced in Egypt since there was no request from the crew. it is common practice to save money
  5. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 4 November 2015 06: 36 New
    +6
    Yesterday, an article on this site already broke through .. But it didn't last long. I didn't even have time to "add" ..:
    But Boeing and Airbus need to be cleared of Darpov bookmarks as much as possible ..
    I agree with the Authors that when the control of engines and other systems is closed to the on-board computer, it is not always possible to intervene without damage in order to quickly fix the situation manually.
    We had a situation on the boat at the entrance to Rotterdam when the computer arbitrarily reduced the engine speed to a minimum (some sensor generated a false alarm) ...
    To get out of the situation, I had to stop the main engine and completely de-energize the engine control system (computer).
    After 2, the minutes restarted, and drove on normally.
    But what if there is such a situation in the sky ..?
    I also think that the absence of a flight engineer in the staffing table was an additional accident factor.
    1. BMW
      BMW 4 November 2015 07: 43 New
      +3
      Quote: Tra-ta-ta
      To get out of the situation, I had to stop the main engine and completely de-energize the engine control system (computer).

      It’s strange. To do this, there is a button to block or reset the signal, in extreme cases, turn off the APS.
      At the crossing of the Sangarsky Strait, the APS worked according to the drop in oil pressure (stop after 10 seconds), dist. the sensor showed zero, blocked the signal, sent bloodworms, the pressure on the manometer is normal. I found the electric fur in half an hour and on the go, the microcircuit burned out, the board was replaced, all without stopping.
      1. Tra-ta-ta
        Tra-ta-ta 4 November 2015 10: 06 New
        +1
        Strange ..
        You took 30 min.
        And in the air during this time what will happen ..?
        It became really bad for me in the river ..! It’s good that the current was not strong, but there was a passing one ..; they stayed on their side ..
        1. BMW
          BMW 4 November 2015 11: 06 New
          -1
          Quote: Tra-ta-ta
          And in the air during this time what will happen ..?

          Everything is duplicated there, but there is no such need at sea, just switching to manual control, which took 1-2 minutes, is absolutely uncritical.
    2. NIKNN
      NIKNN 4 November 2015 11: 02 New
      +6
      I grieve with everyone. Lord accept their souls.
      Yesterday, an article on this site already broke through .. But it didn't last long. I didn't even have time to "add" ..:
      But Boeing and Airbus need to be cleared of Darpov bookmarks as much as possible ..

      here in the comments:
      http://topwar.ru/85474-letayuschiy-kit-aerobus-a300-600st-beluga.html
      This system is very reliable. Repeated duplication, even in power supply (if all of the power is turned off in the aircraft, will be emergency-powered), control of such an aircraft without hydraulic systems (mechanically) is practically impossible, and even if there was mechanical duplication, there was nothing to control, the steering planes (stabilizer and keel) fell separate from the cockpit.
      Judging by the huge amount of information already available, the last remark that: "the guilty will answer in full" - I already have justified doubts. Yes, the investigation itself cannot be completed, nothing can be said in the affirmative. But why can't you express your opinion in an affirmative tone? For me it is unambiguous: a very well-organized terrorist attack, judging by how and when and where it was carried out, they will definitely not find the customers, but with the performers, as always, something terrible will happen.
      PS: Eyewitnesses say Egypt’s mess is very convenient for performers.

      It is impossible to say unequivocally, but if you look at how the rhetoric of the press is changing, then you can clearly see a kind of "management" of information, which leads to unpleasant thoughts.
      Israel is silent ... But they have the "KUPOL" system there and they saw everything 400%, they would say though that there was nothing near the plane or something like that ... they are silent.
      Only one thing is clear to me - there was an explosive depressurization with the destruction of the structure. The tail part in the pictures is separated by the rear pressure gauge (it really resembles the crash of Boeing 747 aircraft near Tokyo and over the Taiwan Strait in 1985 and 2002, respectively), but there can be many reasons:
      Based on the information about complaints about engine malfunctions (I would not fly with such a suspicion), the engine could be destroyed, which led to a further chain of events (the plane was in the climb and the engines were operating at close to maximum). An explosion in the luggage compartment, in the kitchen when opening a container with food (time to prepare snacks for passengers, they are about to gain height). The above control system (although it is reliable, if used incorrectly led to the development of errors to critical parameters. And a bunch of options that we are not even able to come up with. By the way, about MANPADS, I saw in one of the photos from some exhibition " Stingers "under the wing of drones.
      Bottom line - we are waiting for the end of the investigation.
  6. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 4 November 2015 07: 03 New
    +5
    80% crew will be found guilty! I am often proved by statistics, saying that 80% of AP is due to the human factor. And who is investigating ??? Well, if the flyer got involved in the commission. And so - all the representatives of the manufacturing plant and COMPETENT concentration rats. Relatives of the crew will be put in the compensation and the crew will be declared a drop-in.
  7. SeAl2014
    SeAl2014 4 November 2015 07: 05 New
    +2
    An article is an explicit translation of an article by interested parties. I respect and wait for the version of professionals.
  8. dckx
    dckx 4 November 2015 07: 10 New
    -3
    If this is a terrorist attack, then who did it and the main question is why. I would rule out ISIS as an initiator, the fact that Russia will continue to “iron it out” should be taken for granted, and this move is absolutely “zero” (one must understand that not all of them are ideological). Then the purpose of the terrorist attack is to distract from ISIS, it means a subtle "solitaire" (the goblins are finished) and a jump to the side, but who wants to substitute a big question ...
    If we assume that there was an artificially caused depressurization resulting in a decrease, then they could shoot from the MANPADS of the missing in Ukraine (Ukraine left the corresponding agreement in a couple of days), and thereby rekindle the conflict in Ukraine, but with the participation of Russia and the subsequent involvement of all of Europe. It makes no sense to substitute countries near the plane crash, they "need" to withdraw Russia from the region. And if I'm right, then we shouldn't expect a quick result on the investigation.
    Sincere condolences to relatives and friends.
    1. blind
      blind 4 November 2015 07: 53 New
      +2
      MANPADS will not get a scheduled plane at such a height
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 4 November 2015 08: 33 New
        0
        Quote: blind
        MANPADS will not get a scheduled plane at such a height

        See below ...
  9. Kradi
    Kradi 4 November 2015 07: 13 New
    +1
    When the Boeing crashed near Tarez, it was painfully quick to identify the perpetrators and determined that it had been shot down ... the wreckage had not yet cooled down. Moreover, by chance all the satellites were blinded or turned away by flying.
    Here too painfully quickly dismissed the option that was shot down. And quite by accident, the mattress satellite flew over and photographed everything.
    Hopefully the truth will be found.
    Passengers have eternal memory, may the earth rest in peace for them.
  10. kvs207
    kvs207 4 November 2015 07: 19 New
    -16
    Quote: veteran66
    Egyptians say the plane was well served

    What does the Egyptians have to do with it? The flight was from the Emirates.
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 4 November 2015 07: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: kvs207
      What does the Egyptians have to do with it? The flight was from the Emirates.

      fool
    2. kashtak
      kashtak 4 November 2015 07: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: kvs207
      Quote: veteran66
      Egyptians say the plane was well served

      What does the Egyptians have to do with it? The flight was from the Emirates.

      Is Sharm El Sheikh in the Emirates? like the south of the sinai peninsula.
    3. blind
      blind 4 November 2015 07: 51 New
      +1
      learn the mat part respected or rather look at the map
      1. science fiction writer
        science fiction writer 4 November 2015 08: 22 New
        +1
        What does the Egyptians have to do with it? The flight was from the Emirates.

        I missed something new in geography. ??
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 4 November 2015 11: 31 New
          +1
          I missed something new in geography. ??


          No, it’s just another victim of the exam.
  11. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 4 November 2015 07: 20 New
    +7
    It is clear that the reasons will be clear only after investigating all the details of the disaster. Here, many write that the tail came off and this was the cause of the disaster. That is, damage to the tail 14 years ago could provoke a terrible accident. However, some experts note that the tail fell off with a very rapid descent of the aircraft and the subsequent sharp rise in altitude, which happened at least twice. That is, the plane lost control and the pilots tried to level it. Most likely the cause of the disaster was the failure of the control system, as indirectly confirmed by the failure of the radio exchange system. This happens during an internal fire. On BBS there is a serial film about the investigation of various air crashes and there is a similar case where a container with peroxide crashed in the cargo compartment, which corroded the floor and damaged the control system cables, there the crew also lost contact and control of the aircraft, which went into uncontrollable decline and so but he tried to gain altitude several times, and the plane began to collapse in the air from overloads - initially the crew was accused of disaster and only the persistence, professionalism and accuracy of one investigator who went against the original verdict allowed to identify the true causes of the crash. I am not saying that the Egyptian catastrophe has the same reasons, just gave an example.
    1. Alexey Lobanov
      Alexey Lobanov 4 November 2015 07: 28 New
      -2
      I have no doubt that ours will conduct an investigation quickly and clearly, they will not hide anything, even if there was a terrorist attack.
      1. Nikolay K
        Nikolay K 4 November 2015 09: 18 New
        -4
        But what about concealing data on military casualties in peacetime? After all, if this is a terrorist attack launched by ISIS, then these civilians are in fact the first serious losses in the Syrian company. The law was adopted in order to happen that ratings support. Here the case is similar. For all politicians, ratings are far more important than truth.
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov 4 November 2015 09: 34 New
          0
          Quote: Nikolai K
          But what about concealing data on military casualties in peacetime? After all, if this is a terrorist attack launched by ISIS, then these civilians are in fact the first serious losses in the Syrian company. The law was adopted in order to happen that ratings support. Here the case is similar. For all politicians, ratings are far more important than truth.


          I think that in Russia the time has long come when truth and ratings have a close relationship, the more truth, the higher the ratings. Now it’s beneficial to tell the truth, no matter how cynical it sounds.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 4 November 2015 12: 47 New
            +2
            Eh, it would be nice. But alas, this is politics, and it has its own laws of success, read at least "The Sovereign" by Machiaveli, since then little has changed
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 4 November 2015 07: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      will be clear only after investigating all the details of the disaster

      Recognizing the fact of terrorism is a fatal blow to the tourism industry in Egypt, so this version will be denied to the last. But the worst thing is that, due to the position of Egypt, it will be very difficult to find the guilty on earth, which means that all this horror can happen again.
      1. Alexey Lobanov
        Alexey Lobanov 4 November 2015 08: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Vita VKO
        But the worst thing is that, due to the position of Egypt, it will be very difficult to find the guilty on earth, which means that all this horror can happen again.

        If there was a terrorist attack on a plane, Qatar will most likely be the culprit on the ground, and they will establish it quickly. Given the attitude of the Egyptians towards the Qatars, they certainly will not oppose such conclusions (purely my personal opinion).
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 4 November 2015 18: 27 New
          0
          Quote: Alexey Lobanov
          If there was a terrorist attack on an airplane, the perpetrator on earth will be

          Here is a fresh TASS from Cairo:
          CAIRO, November 4. / Corr. TASS Dina Pyanykh, Dmitry Tarasov /. The explosion in the engine caused the disaster of the Russian A321. This was reported to the publication "Al-Masri al-Yaum" by judicial sources in the commission of inquiry investigating the crash of the liner.
          According to sources, this is evidenced by the decryption of the "black boxes". "The cause of the plane crash was an explosion in one of the engines," the investigation said. "What provoked it will be established by a special technical laboratory, as well as the results of the examination by specialists of the crash site, the bodies of the dead and substances that could remain on the bodies and fragments of Airbus."
          1. Simple
            Simple 5 November 2015 00: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            According to sources, this is evidenced by the decryption of the "black boxes". "The cause of the plane crash was an explosion in one of the engines," the investigation said.



            It can be assumed that the elements of the explosion in the turbine were cut off by the horizontal tail located on board.
            But in the pictures of the tail, the horizontal tail is completely absent.
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      2. kashtak
        kashtak 4 November 2015 08: 46 New
        -1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        will be clear only after investigating all the details of the disaster

        Recognizing terrorism is a death blow to Egypt's tourism business

        IMHO for the travel industry is much more dangerous version of the poor condition of the fleet. I see no reason to hide the terrorist attack, but the training found is another matter. maybe I don’t understand something? explain.
      3. Petrix
        Petrix 4 November 2015 14: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Recognizing the fact of terrorism, this is a mortal blow to the tourism industry of Egypt, so this version will be denied until the last

        Besides. Russia will need to make political statements or actions. Therefore, if such a version is final, they will not be in a hurry to publish it.
        1. Alexey Lobanov
          Alexey Lobanov 4 November 2015 18: 18 New
          -1
          Quote: Petrix
          Quote: Vita VKO
          Recognizing the fact of terrorism, this is a mortal blow to the tourism industry of Egypt, so this version will be denied until the last

          Besides. Russia will need to make political statements or actions. Therefore, if such a version is final, they will not be in a hurry to publish it.

          Brothers, we live in a NEW reality! Get used to it! Russia does not need to make statements. And actions are at our discretion ...
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      5. Dikson
        Dikson 4 November 2015 19: 42 New
        +2
        Already on the first day, one of the high Egyptians on TV stated that the version of the attack was excluded ..
        it is clear that they do not need such a turn of events ..
    3. kashtak
      kashtak 4 November 2015 08: 32 New
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      It is clear that the reasons will be clear only after investigating all the details of the disaster.

      this is already a serious conversation. damage to the cable, hydraulic systems, their causes. or something else. I recall an old film about test pilots. there, the plane also behaved approximately as you describe. wait for the conclusions of the commission, then there will be a subject for discussion.
  12. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 4 November 2015 07: 34 New
    12
    On the morning of October 31, the largest catastrophe in the history of Egyptian civil aviation and one of the largest in Russian history occurred.
    This baby will forever remain in memory as the main passenger !!! Lord, for what? The kingdom of heaven, may the earth rest in peace, Chief Passenger Darina Gromova.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 4 November 2015 10: 49 New
      +4
      "Earth in peace", they say to those who are unbelievers and not Orthodox. They wish the Orthodox the kingdom of heaven.
  13. blind
    blind 4 November 2015 07: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Scandinavian
    People with the 5 size of their silicone breasts present a risk to the passengers of the aircraft at an altitude of 10 km. Do not fit in explosive. It boils down to the fact that every day there are more facts of an explosion as a result of a bomb being carried on board, and the Kremlin and Cairo are trying to take this away. Traces of explosives have already been found on the bodies; forensic experts are already talking about this. Now it is expected that the investigation will take months. What will the duck compose for the public? How is Holland MH-17? So how is our propaganda different from western?

    and where is this data that says they have explosives on corpses ?? Can I see the link?
  14. Yellow
    Yellow 4 November 2015 08: 01 New
    -6
    Weeped, sorry for them passengers. And when Russia started this unnecessary war in Syria, most of those present joyfully rubbed their hands, savoring the details of the bombing. It was really hard to imagine such a thing. These are terrorists, people die in any war, often civilians. This is undeniable. And terrorists do not care who they kill.
    Everyone who supported this Putin's adventure: you are the culprits of the tragedy. Understand this at last and start living wisely.
    Those who died in the liner, innocent people, adults and children rest in peace.
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    2. svp67
      svp67 4 November 2015 08: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Yellow
      Everyone who supported this Putin's adventure: you are the culprits of the tragedy. Understand this at last and start living wisely.

      You contradict yourself. And therefore I will answer you with your own words:
      Quote: Yellow
      terrorists do not care who they kill.

      Unlike Germany, which seems to have forgotten the horrors of war, Russia remembers them VERY well. And our aerospace forces in Syria are our vanguard, which is trying to stop the hostile force, which over time would still come to us. So that I SUPPORT and SUPPORT the actions of our army in Syria, the "infection" must be exterminated, the more time it lives, the more people will die.
      And I don’t want to be a visionary, but it seems to me that Germany will soon turn out to be not so peaceful and calm, so the same “turn on your brain”.
      And THANKS for condolences. War is war, contradictions are contradictions, but we must remain human.
    3. kashtak
      kashtak 4 November 2015 09: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Yellow
      Weeped, sorry for them passengers. And when Russia started this unnecessary war in Syria, most of those present joyfully rubbed their hands, savoring the details of the bombing

      Yes, the case is complex, clinical. I'm not talking about the fact that the war was not started by Russia. somewhere I've already heard this. During the war in Chechnya, after each hostage-taking or terrorist attack, there were enough tantrums. Especially Novodvorskaya and Kompaniya wanted to play prosecutors? or terrorist lawyers?
    4. emercom1979
      emercom1979 4 November 2015 09: 22 New
      0
      Living smartly? Well, tell me, my dear, how to do this? And then to be a hatskraynik does not work ...
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 4 November 2015 14: 26 New
        0
        Quote: emercom1979
        Living smartly? Well, tell me, my dear, how to do this?

        "Comrade" wants to say that heaven on earth will come only when Russia disbands the army, disposes of ammunition and becomes a super-pacifist state.
        No, thanks. There was already a Gorbachev vaccine.
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  15. shasherin.pavel
    shasherin.pavel 4 November 2015 08: 07 New
    -2
    Terrorists simply do not have anti-aircraft weapons that can destroy the target at such a height. Their portable anti-aircraft missile systems have a significantly lower target destruction height, ...
    End of quote. And what prevents to raise the launcher three kilometers into the air? And now you can shoot at 8 km., In height. A light-engine aircraft can be used as a platform for the Stinger. An oxygen mask will allow you to stick out of the aircraft even at 5-6 kilometers in height, and now we have a target height of 10 kilometers. So I would not discount the version of "Stinger".
    1. svp67
      svp67 4 November 2015 08: 34 New
      -1
      Quote: shasherin.pavel
      Terrorists simply do not have anti-aircraft weapons that can destroy the target at such a height.

      And who said that it was MANPADS, and not the IED bookmark, which had either a barometric, chemical or other fuse. Who are the specialists, then tell me how many explosives are needed to disable the engine? I think that sufficient weight is measured in a couple of hundred grams, with ready-made slaughter elements.
      1. kashtak
        kashtak 4 November 2015 10: 47 New
        0
        assuming that all the same a mine is on board. then even I can answer this question. enough impregnated explosive sneakers or an object comparable to a box of chocolates. Enough for the plane. It's not a secret. another thing is that this is an unconfirmed version.
    2. Filxnumx
      Filxnumx 4 November 2015 11: 14 New
      +1
      And you try at a speed of 250 km / h and at a temperature overboard -20 "stick out" with such a bandura as MANPADS. If you do not snatch it from your hands, you can fly away with the bandura. But if you are Schwartz, and the world armwrestling champion is holding you by the legs, then you can once again try to get into the world as a pretty penny.
      1. Petrix
        Petrix 4 November 2015 14: 33 New
        0
        Quote: Fil743
        If you don’t get out of your hands, you can fly away with the bandura.

        And that is true. Why hold on to a plane? He jumped out with a parachutist, shot, threw off excess weight and plan yourself to the ground. They are already waiting there, the evidence will be cleaned up.
        In general, who is the main terrorist on the planet? Here he has a lot of money.
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  16. tommy717
    tommy717 4 November 2015 08: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Alexey Lobanov
    Quote: dsi
    the Egyptians will say that the plane was well served and there could be no act of terrorism,

    The liner was served by technicians from Kagalym Avia, the Egyptians were not outside.
    ps Kagalym - a bad place (wiki)


    Well, firstly - Kogalym, and secondly, the Khanty's “kogalym” is just a swamp.

    It was necessary to guess the name of the airline. After all, as you call a yacht, so it will sail. Yes, and Metrodzhet, although more harmonious, but the metro with flights somehow does not fit together.
    1. kashtak
      kashtak 4 November 2015 11: 12 New
      0
      and I also heard about the place where the cows are grazed and the so-called cow ford (Cambridge) let's play a joke another time. the topic is not the same.
  17. killganoff
    killganoff 4 November 2015 08: 28 New
    +3
    MK newspaper from 2010 "Analysis of pilots" quote: We, the pilots of the largest domestic airline, on the pages of "MK" openly declare that we can no longer, as before, guarantee you one hundred percent safe flights. We want everyone to hear: the country's aviation industry has been run by amateurs in recent years. That is why we are pilots and you are passengers - we are all on the verge of large-scale disasters.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 4 November 2015 11: 43 New
      0
      And therefore, we, the pilots, and you, the passengers, are all now on the verge of large-scale catastrophes.


      And while they continue to fly themselves. So it’s not so dangerous. If all people knew what a mess is going on in railway transport, then no one would dare to travel on trains either. In general, an informed person is always somewhat uncomfortable to travel as a passenger, whether on a train, when there are suspicions of a malfunction of auto locomotives, jerks during movement, or on an airplane, when it starts to descend faster than usual before landing, breaking through the clouds, "looking for the ground" Even in a car, when you see a dangerous situation, your leg twitches, as if pressing the brake.
  18. bubla5
    bubla5 4 November 2015 08: 45 New
    0
    Here's another fucking secret, like the Malaysian Boeing, the version of the terrorist attack is unprofitable for someone, and the equipment malfunction, the version of the pilot sawing off the tail of the aircraft at a height will look believable, sorry for the cynicism, but they were waiting for black boxes in total
  19. Dimka999
    Dimka999 4 November 2015 09: 09 New
    0
    Either shot down, or so prepared for the flight ....
  20. starshina pv
    starshina pv 4 November 2015 09: 16 New
    +1
    we won’t find out the truth !!!!!!!!
  21. Karasik
    Karasik 4 November 2015 09: 17 New
    -1
    Quote: Vita VKO
    Recognizing the fact of terrorism is a fatal blow to the tourism industry in Egypt, so this version will be denied to the last.

    Immediately after the disaster, ISIS stated that it was a terrorist attack and claimed responsibility. Yes, unproven, most likely they wanted to promote. But think, gentlemen, what prevents them from committing (or repeating, although I do not want to use such a word until the end of the investigation) a similar act? I mean, carry the bomb aboard the airliner. As far as I know from news releases, security measures at the Egyptian airport have not changed.
  22. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 4 November 2015 09: 33 New
    +1
    Here is a dilemma facing the government. It is still not known what is better for the people to advertise: That they committed a terrorist attack (and then it seems like it is necessary to take retaliatory measures with the policy "unacceptably unacceptable"), or that in Russia there are aircraft that can fall apart into components in the air. ..
  23. mamont5
    mamont5 4 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +3
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Experts found explosive injuries in A321 passengers
    If you consider that VGTRK will be blowing with Lifenews in one format, then you can read this link http://lifenews.ru/news/167897

    Explosive injuries are not traces of explosives.
  24. aud13
    aud13 4 November 2015 09: 37 New
    13
    Firstly, condolences to all the relatives and friends of the victims.

    Secondly, for a long time I can’t understand why, for example, my old machine is equipped with a video recorder, and modern passenger planes cannot equip with another black box displaying video information from the most problematic sections of the aircraft, such as:
    - engines:
    - luggage compartment;
    - cabin;
    - cockpit;
    - landing gear, etc.
    It seems to me that this is not so difficult in our time, but there are many benefits from this, for example:
    - pilots (who largely fly instrumentation) can, in some cases, visually and quickly assess the state of the problem both in the aircraft and around it;
    - if there was an airbagshire in the cabin, then the testimony of the DVR will help the court prove his guilt (or vice versa innocence);
    - the video will help to control the crew members themselves (I remember we had one case when a pilot put his son in a pilot's chair and because of this there was a plane crash);
    - in the event of an accident or disaster (God forbid) the data of the DVRs will help to quickly identify the cause and place of its occurrence.
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 4 November 2015 10: 29 New
      +1
      For a long time I can’t understand why, for example, my old machine is equipped with a DVR, and modern passenger planes cannot equip with another black box that displays video information from the most problematic sections of the aircraft
      in the case of the car, you need it as the owner, and in the case of the plane, nobody needs it except for those on the plane ... And there are no funds for the salary crew ... (Kogalymavio example)
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 4 November 2015 14: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: aud13
      I can’t understand for a long time

      HERE! 100500 pluses.
      It’s ridiculous. They are trying to determine by the sounds what has come off or where the beginning to burn. Absurd. Yes, write a video or even send it to the control room in the lowest resolution in real time.
      Obviously, the turbidity of the situation is very beneficial for someone.
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  25. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 4 November 2015 10: 21 New
    +1
    What kind of fashion went to compete in the inventiveness of versions before the specialists worked? There are always four versions: those. reasons inside the aircraft, collision with a foreign object, human factor, terrorist attack. In the course of investigation and production of examinations, the superfluous are swept aside. This is the only way, and nothing else! And to especially sophisticated "foreshadowers-analysts-expert-investigators", "especially close" to sources "close to the official" advice: WRITE ART BOOKS, do not bother people to work!
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 4 November 2015 10: 33 New
      0
      There are always four versions:
      Do you say this as a specialist? Or as a particularly sophisticated forensic specialist.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 4 November 2015 11: 06 New
        0
        And you wrote it, what would you write? Or are there any reasonable objections?
        1. GYGOLA
          GYGOLA 4 November 2015 16: 27 New
          0
          And you wrote it, what would you write? Or are there any reasonable objections?
          I wrote this to ask. It is not clear why my question was accepted by you, if not reasonable objections ...
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 4 November 2015 16: 42 New
            +1
            I wrote this as a person directly related to aircraft construction. Accordingly, having a certain technical literacy.
    2. bubla5
      bubla5 4 November 2015 11: 18 New
      0
      Do not boil, in the courtyard of the 21st century, and for some plane crashes, the plane is searched for months, and the investigation is on the principle of who benefits and drags out
    3. Buffalo
      Buffalo 4 November 2015 11: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Observer 33
      And to especially sophisticated "foreshadowers-analysts-expert-investigators", "especially close" to sources "close to the official" advice: WRITE ART BOOKS, do not bother people to work!

      With your permission, I’ll note: to the presenters!
      LEARN THE GRAMMAR! - Nobody interferes with the investigation.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 4 November 2015 13: 42 New
        +1
        Grammar claims to google keyboard (I'm tired of fixing). I have noticed for a long time: when in fact the writing is nothing to complain about, but I really want to. They begin to look for errors in this text itself.
    4. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 12: 09 New
      0
      Why are you minusanuli? Corrected. Everything will be more or less clear after decoding CH. Thank God they were found.
  26. APASUS
    APASUS 4 November 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    Condolences to all families, relatives and friends
    How many people and so many versions, aviation technology is so complex that conventional logic is not suitable for finding out the reasons.
    Let's just wait for the results of the examinations!
  27. Vladimir
    Vladimir 4 November 2015 10: 39 New
    0
    I think that a version about a design violation will be voiced, we will also remember 2001 and metal fatigue. If we take into account the fact that the wreckage and bodies of passengers were scattered for kilometers and 4 minutes before the crash, everything was fine according to the pilots, therefore, the back of the airliner most likely fell off and in this situation, the pilots were certainly powerless. If this is explosive, then the question is to the airport services, and finally it is unlikely that any of the passengers wanted to become a suicide bomber, especially since they were Russian citizens.
    1. Simple
      Simple 4 November 2015 13: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir 
      ... therefore, most likely the back of the liner fell off first



      Perhaps at the echelon there was a depressurization of the cabin in the rear.

      Moreover, such that the pilots decided to urgently leave the echelon.
      Overloads arising in connection with this maneuver only exacerbated the situation, because when trying to bring the board after such a maneuver to the horizontal, the plane lost its tail.

      After this, disaster was inevitable.
  28. Buffalo
    Buffalo 4 November 2015 11: 03 New
    -6
    I do not exclude that laser weapons were used against the aircraft, from an airplane or from the ground. “There was an explosion on board, but there were no traces of explosives.”
    The corpses of passengers sitting in the rear of the aircraft were all severely burned, and the tail section was torn off by an explosion. The plane received damage from the starboard side. He flew north. On the right was the territory of Israel.
    The border was about 50 km east (to the right) of the plane. But, the area around was deserted and not very inhabited, the installation could be brought closer, or another aircraft could be used, and finally, they could attack from the territory of Israel.
    If a beam is applied to the fuel tank (I don’t know if there is a fuel tank in the tail section), the result of the impact would have consequences similar to those recorded by the investigation.
    In such a situation, the removal of part of the wreckage from the zone of external influence on the aircraft structure is very logical in order to hide the traces of the crime.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 12: 06 New
      0
      Do not look for a black cat in a dark room. Even at the battle of psychics ask a question ...
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 4 November 2015 12: 21 New
      +1
      My friend, you should be a science fiction writer. Firstly, this aircraft does not have fuel tanks in the tail, as well as engines (as on the Tu-154), the whole thing is in the area of ​​the wings. Second, can you imagine how big a DURA is the current laser that can damage an aircraft? This is not a Star Wars blaster. So, in a desert area, it will be visible from everywhere and from the air and from satellites. For all my reverence for their state, I would not consider testing a combat laser by the "chosen ones". Their point is not iron, after all, but a bunch of little things flies there, on which you can experience much safer than on a Russian liner.
      1. Buffalo
        Buffalo 4 November 2015 12: 47 New
        0
        I do not just imagine, I saw it with my own eyes. The combat laser was supposed to be installed on the Buran.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 4 November 2015 13: 22 New
          0
          I do not just imagine, I saw it with my own eyes. The combat laser was supposed to be installed on the Buran.


          In this case, you understand how wrong you are :).
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 4 November 2015 13: 46 New
      0
      That is exactly what I had in mind. To you in fiction!
  29. alicante11
    alicante11 4 November 2015 11: 07 New
    0
    Nevertheless, on the first day after the incident, information appeared that there were no traces of the attack, as well as relevant statements by officials. As a result, there is every reason not to consider the version of the actions of terrorists as one of the main ones.


    Cool conclusion. Not even all the wreckage has yet been found, but they have already stated that there was no terrorist attack. In general, such a friendly chorus of "negation" on our part is alarming. Especially against the backdrop of amerskih reports that there was a terrorist attack. And if the meaning of the terrorist attack can still be understood, then the meaning of the amers insisting on the fact of the terrorist attack is completely incomprehensible. What's their interest? It seems to me that the "negative" position on our part is a response to the American position and a way to take a "timeout" to figure out what's what.
    At what, it seems to me, there is much more information than they give us. There are several questions to the looming official picture.
    Why did the plane occupy an echelon of 9100 meters, if the norm for aircraft of this size and for such flights is 11000m? There were reports that before an uncontrolled fall from a height of 9 km, there was a dive from a height of 11 km. Then the situation is very similar to the case described in the book "The Airport" by Haley. Explosive depressurization at the flight level, after which the crew decides to dive to lower the altitude and ensure the survival of passengers. But either the plane was more severely damaged, or the notorious "tail blow" affected, which led to the destruction of the plane after the 9100m mark.
    Why didn't the crew report the incident? When falling from such a height, the pilots could be silent for only two reasons - either they were dead from the moment of the accident, or the connection was cut off. Then the incident was to happen in the head of the plane. Roughly speaking, the cockpit should have fallen off. But after all, destruction in the tail section is suspected. Therefore, there is reason to believe that the pilots managed to report what happened on board, as far as they could understand it.
    Both of these inconsistencies and the actions of our and Amer’s authorities cast doubt on the official picture of what is happening.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 4 November 2015 11: 28 New
      -2
      Here you can see the attempt of the investigation to let the fog in order not to frighten off the attackers.
      If you remember, about the causes of the Tu-134 crash, the Moscow-Volgograd flight, they also spoke at first, and denied the version of the explosion.
    2. Buffalo
      Buffalo 4 November 2015 11: 39 New
      -2
      Quote: alicante11
      When falling from such a height, the pilots could be silent for only two reasons - either they were dead from the moment of the accident, or the connection was cut off.

      But this option was not considered: the pilots were not fastened to the seats, the tail fell off, the plane began to roll and capsize ... At the same time, the pilots flew off to the windshields.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 4 November 2015 12: 26 New
        0
        But this option was not considered: the pilots were not fastened to the seats, the tail fell off, the plane began to roll and capsize ... At the same time, the pilots flew off to the windshields.


        I do not consider THAT, because I am a little familiar with aviation and not on the TV series "Steep dive" :).
        1. Buffalo
          Buffalo 4 November 2015 12: 51 New
          -2
          What are you ?! Oh, how knowledgeable ...
          But, here I remember a REAL case with the M-101T "Gzhel", when not just a pilot, but a test pilot Beschastnov, during a test flight, went into the salon, without a parachute and, naturally, was not fastened from the seat. And here - the flutter of the horizontal tail ...
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 4 November 2015 13: 20 New
            0
            Flag YOU in hand. Hint, there are TWO pilots. And even if one went into the salon, the second remained in place. Unless both of them immediately washed the toilet :).
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    4. win
      win 4 November 2015 14: 39 New
      +2
      the notorious "tail blow" affected, which led to the destruction of the aircraft

      Yesterday on TV showed exactly the same "trauma of the tail" of similar Western plane crashes. And the destruction of the tail is almost a copy.
  30. Cook
    Cook 4 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +5
    Everything of course can be, sometimes circumstances can turn out in such a way that a catastrophe becomes inevitable, but no one in their right mind can combine these circumstances in advance to predict. As for damage to the tail: such cases are not uncommon. The aircraft in the certification process must pass tests on the tailstrike, there are plenty of pictures and videos in the internet, type test flight tailstrike in the search engine.
    As a rule, after such an event, repairs are made. The development of procedures for such repairs and all its technical details, including drawings and materials used, is carried out by the aircraft manufacturer, this is mandatory. But the repair itself can be performed as a certified maintenance and repair enterprise, or the corresponding division of the manufacturer. A maintenance and repair company with such a certificate invests a lot of money to obtain it, and it can be lost at one point if the regulatory authorities find serious violations there, usually followed by a shutdown of the enterprise itself. If the aircraft manufacturer repairs, you yourself understand that the reputation of both the aircraft model and the manufacturer itself is at stake. In the two cases described above, the repair was carried out by the technical divisions of the airlines, which violated the repair technology, if roughly: instead of two rows of rivets, they let one in. After these two events, of course, the control procedures for such repairs were revised and accordingly tightened. In the case of the ill-fated aircraft, repairs were carried out by the Airbus factory in Toulouse, and before that, he made a flight there from Cairo. This may indicate that the nature of the damage was not critical.
    Here, all possible questions should be addressed to Airbus, since it gives a guarantee for the safe operation of the aircraft and must necessarily issue an addition to the maintenance program, for additional control of the repaired units. The tail section that occurred in the air could have occurred as a result of exposure to unacceptable overloads on the aircraft. In this case, the separation occurs at the joints of the components of the fuselage, and may not necessarily be associated with the repair.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 12: 04 New
      0
      The separation of the tail is a consequence of overloads. What caused such overloads?
      1. Cook
        Cook 4 November 2015 12: 20 New
        +1
        Uncontrolled crash, aircraft reaching a speed exceeding the speed limit (in the process of diving), disproportionate impact of the crew on the controls when trying to return to normal flight mode, and many other reasons. You need to wait for the investigation materials, you can guess forever.
        1. Andrey77
          Andrey77 4 November 2015 12: 41 New
          +1
          You understand. And half of the forum is not. On the other hand, you can immediately discard the crew error. Electronics will not.
          1. Cook
            Cook 4 November 2015 19: 07 New
            +1
            Electronics will not, in almost the vast majority of cases. But there are exceptions. Remember the disaster of the Armenian A320 in Sochi? Find and read the results of the investigation of this incident. Sometimes automation is powerless.
        2. Buffalo
          Buffalo 4 November 2015 13: 06 New
          0
          Quote: Cook
          aircraft reaching a speed exceeding the speed limit (in the process of diving),

          Bullshit!
          1. Cook
            Cook 4 November 2015 13: 34 New
            +1
            Are the arguments essentially?
            1. Andrey77
              Andrey77 4 November 2015 14: 50 New
              0
              And do you have?
              1. Cook
                Cook 4 November 2015 17: 54 New
                +1
                I have, read my post below. And you?
  31. miru mir
    miru mir 4 November 2015 11: 49 New
    0
    Just got a news link to a weaving-crashed plane in Africa. What a punishment, ssuko.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 4 November 2015 11: 53 New
      0
      - I read ...
      1. miru mir
        miru mir 4 November 2015 11: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Bison
        Our plane crashed?

        Yes. An12.
        1. Buffalo
          Buffalo 4 November 2015 12: 53 New
          0
          It is not yet known whose. The airline is Armenian, the crew seems to be ours.
          1. miru mir
            miru mir 4 November 2015 12: 55 New
            0
            The plane seems to be transport. And, at the same time, they write about passengers. Maybe a fake.
            1. Buffalo
              Buffalo 4 November 2015 13: 11 New
              0
              What a fake !? In it you can transport people, however, amenities - like in the yard.
              1. miru mir
                miru mir 4 November 2015 13: 21 New
                0
                I mean the plane belongs to Russia.
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 4 November 2015 13: 15 New
              +1
              Someone for this news puts a minus .... I also received a minus sign. AN-12, cargo, 41 dead, southern Sudan ...
  32. Ilya77
    Ilya77 4 November 2015 12: 01 New
    +2
    Very similar to the crash of the Boeing 747 near Tokyo in 1985:
    "The Boeing-747 version of the" flying minibus "for carrying the maximum number of passengers in 12 minutes after takeoff tore off the fucking keel along with the elevators. The pilots somehow miraculously managed to keep the almost completely unguided plane in the air and even almost entered the emergency landing course, but half an hour later, a couple of kilometers from the runway, the plane crashed onto a mountainside, the reason for all was the x * evo repairs made after a few years earlier the car had its tail on the runway when landing.
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 12: 44 New
      0
      Option. Everything will become clear when the height stabilizer is found. And most importantly WHERE on the wreckage map. Well, decoding CH.
      1. saksan
        saksan 5 November 2015 19: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey77
        Option. Everything will become clear when the height stabilizer is found.


        What is this "height stabilizer" device?
  33. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 4 November 2015 12: 56 New
    +2
    Why is our lover of iPhones silent? Where are his angry statements about the ban on flights of "watermelons"? Why is the president of the "exceptional" silent, who, 15 minutes after the crash of the Malaysian plane, already knew who and how he shot down? He knows everything, he is "exceptional".
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 4 November 2015 13: 18 New
      +1
      But in fact, why the State Department has not yet reported on pro7
      1. Andrey77
        Andrey77 4 November 2015 14: 53 New
        0
        Probably because there are no fools gathered. Waiting for the decryption of the airborne.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 14: 48 New
      0
      He is waiting for a decryption. Like all of us.
  34. konvalval
    konvalval 4 November 2015 13: 03 New
    0
    "Not a nightmare business" - the cause of the disaster. Security in everything should be in the hands of the state without any reservations.
  35. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 4 November 2015 13: 14 New
    +1
    In order to disable a modern jet engine does not need such a crazy amount of explosives. The peripheral speeds of rotation of the end parts of the working blades of a low-pressure compressor reach trans and supersonic values: an M12 bolt and microcracks undetectable even by modern non-destructive testing methods are enough for the blade to come off, and given its considerable weight of troubles, it can do enough to stop the engine and cause a fire. But in this case, the crew has ample time to press the panic button on the helm. It may not be only with an avalanche-like and rapid development of a catastrophic situation. This can happen when the whole engine is torn off. Engines on Airbus have high-torque engines and a sharp loss of traction on one side will lead to an equally sharp loss of controllability and an imbalance of torque. The resulting lateral overloads may not allow the crew to simply reach the helm, a tumbling plane will instantly fall apart in the air. And this is not taking into account the likelihood (small) that a detached engine can hit the fuselage, or even just touch the rear part with a rebound. And for all this, explosives are not needed at all. A microcrack missed 14 years ago on the engine mounting bolt, which could have formed when the tail of the aircraft touched the runway or when the engine was completely replaced, installed an old bolt instead of a new one (again, significant savings). With each take-off, that is, the conclusion of the engines to maximum thrust, this crack cyclically grew. The bolt withstood the last take-off, climb, and then everything ...
    Ivanovo had a similar incident on the IL-76 in 2010. But there was more luck: the engine broke off at the executive start when it was brought to the maximum take-off mode and flew 40 meters ahead only after frightening the crew. (After this incident, the entire fleet of IL-76, -78 monitored the condition of the rear engine mount bolt). But what would happen when climbing or in flight, one god knows. True, in this case, a 4-engined aircraft is preferable to a 2-engined one: a sharp loss of 1/4 thrust (even when the extreme engine is cut off) is not as critical as a loss of 1/2 thrust in terms of emergency development if there was no wing destruction or fire and the crew is likely to react in time, minimize damage, and even try to find a more or less suitable patch for emergency landing, all the same, 3 engines in this situation are much better than one
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 15: 04 New
      0
      In the event of a failure of all engines, the aircraft can plan if the console does not break with the engine.
    2. Petrix
      Petrix 4 November 2015 15: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Fil743
      a sharp loss of traction on one side will lead to an equally sharp loss of control

      It is unlikely that the design of twin-engine aircraft does not provide for the stopping of one of them. And traction always disappears abruptly. Surely all pilots are trained in actions in such a situation under any flight conditions. Plus, electronics also helps not to bring the plane to supercritical flight modes.
  36. Cook
    Cook 4 November 2015 14: 26 New
    +3
    Quote: Bison
    Quote: Cook
    aircraft reaching a speed exceeding the speed limit (in the process of diving),

    Bullshit!


    What is this nonsense? We open the Limitations A320 section, read the maximum permissible instrument speed at altitudes below 7,5 km: 350 knots or 648 km / h. Above this height, the limitation of .82 is natural in terms of M. Add 10% and get the ultimate in pressure head. If for some reason the aircraft is entered into a dive without tidying the engine operating mode, then this speed is quite achievable. When it is reached, the destruction of structural elements will begin, this happens unevenly and will cause the appearance of varied forces acting on the aircraft. The man asked me about the possible causes of unacceptable overloads, I replied. If you, by virtue of your profession, would have studied as many accident investigation materials as I had to do, perhaps you would not have reacted so sharply to my post.
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 4 November 2015 19: 57 New
      0
      Well, there is data showing that the speed of the side, on the contrary, dropped to 187 km / h.?
      And he did not fall at the peak, but fell like a leaf ....
      about the opinion about the explosion of the bomb in the luggage - are there too many WHOLE suitcases and bags? not burnt things? Most of the fuselage was already burnt on the ground, the tail did not burn at all .. And yet .. excuse me, the kingdom of heaven to all of them, and the crew and passengers, but they did not become "rest in peace for them" .. Do not write like that, please ...
      1. Cook
        Cook 5 November 2015 11: 03 New
        +1
        Data obtained not in the process of decoding flight registrars does not quite inspire confidence. A speed of 187 km / h is the speed at which stall occurs. What were the instrumental and vertical speeds during the fall is not exactly known, as well as how it happened. As for the last remark, if I wrote somewhere like that, then of course I agree with you, and I will not write like that.
  37. Kibl
    Kibl 4 November 2015 14: 50 New
    0
    Well, couch analysts and aviation experts climbed out, you can’t wait until real experts say their word! Think about the deceased's relatives, what it is like to read your nonsense!
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 4 November 2015 14: 55 New
      0
      We have the right to build versions. Detachment of the stabilizer or terroract. Specialists will say, but much in such matters was hushed up in the USSR.
    2. Cook
      Cook 4 November 2015 18: 02 New
      +2
      What nonsense is that if you did not notice then I did not build any versions. The man asked what are the possible causes of the destruction of aircraft in the air, I replied. Probably about laser weapons is the ultimate truth.
  38. yashka12007
    yashka12007 4 November 2015 15: 58 New
    +1
    my wife flew on 10 in May. And the 321 Kogalym plane from St. Petersburg to Hurghada barely flew up and down. If this is the same plane, then the problems were then only to find out which plane was flying.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 4 November 2015 16: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: yashka12007
      If this is the same plane, then the problems were then only how to find out which plane was flying.

      if there is check from luggage, then probably
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 5 November 2015 01: 01 New
      0
      Kogalym air from St. Petersburg to Hurghada barely flew flung up and down


      And what does the plane have to do with it? These are weather conditions.
  39. Cook
    Cook 4 November 2015 18: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: yashka12007
    If this is the same plane, then the problems were then only how to find out which plane was flying.

    if there is check from luggage, then probably


    Now you’re unlikely to find out, unless you contact the airline with a request. There is only a flight number on the tags; the aircraft’s flight number is not written there.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 4 November 2015 18: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Cook
      There is only a flight number on the tags; the aircraft’s flight number is not written there.

      I looked specifically at the tag, there is the last name, company, flight number, and here in small print there are a lot of numbers ..., and of course the code
      It would be interesting to learn from those who work in this area
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  40. Cook
    Cook 4 November 2015 19: 41 New
    +1
    The aircraft number can now be found only in the airline’s reporting documents: flight assignment, maintenance order card, spines of fuel requirements, copies of the logbook pages, bills for airport services. Also, such information may be contained in the information systems of the airline and airport. Look for friends in Metrodzhet or in Pulkovo.
  41. estixnumx
    estixnumx 4 November 2015 19: 45 New
    -1
    I feel sorry for people, sadly perished. Most likely, the counterfeit blade of the engine cofresor was put into the engine, it collapsed and the pipelines were interrupted, an air-fuel mixture exploded, and fragments of the engine pierced the fuselage. So in Armenia, the Dolphin in 97g air fell apart then the flyers managed to eject. In general, not what kind of policy, just saving for profit.
  42. Dikson
    Dikson 4 November 2015 20: 40 New
    +1
    Just in the news: The British canceled all flights from this airport .. - Cameron was informed that the cause of the crash of our plane was a terrorist attack ... The British are checking their sides. That's it..
  43. asdasdz
    asdasdz 4 November 2015 21: 50 New
    0
    But is there an Internet resource on this disaster, where they constantly update information? Preferably reliable. News sites are inconvenient to monitor.
  44. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 5 November 2015 08: 23 New
    0
    I think that waiting for an expert opinion is pointless. For no one will tell the truth, for the reasons already expressed here, I do not want to repeat. Therefore, you need to include the brains themselves.

    Turn on the following picture in the head:

    At the 23rd minute of the flight over Sinai, the board 9268 disappears from the radar screens, the crew did not give an emergency signal. A sharp drop in the speed and altitude of the aircraft was recorded on monitoring systems. Then we see the wreckage of the aircraft, with a radius of spread of 50 km! Those. a certain force acted on the plane, which instantly led to the destruction of the liner, as a result of which the pilots could not transmit a signal to the dispatcher.
    Talk immediately began that the plane was old, the owner (or rather the lessee) was a small company, and there was not enough money for proper maintenance. But it immediately turned out that the plane was built in 1997, like the Boeing 777 that crashed in Ukraine, and the maintenance was carried out on time, and the crew was experienced. But now, there was something to complain about 14 years ago !!! The same plane hit its tail when landing. And, of course, the repairs were made by the "laymen" from the airbus, which were repaired very badly, or rather not entirely badly, enough for 14 years. And just after so much time, when the A-321 was in operation at the Russian company, this breakdown made itself felt at an altitude of more than 9000 meters above the Sinai Peninsula, so that the plane collapsed instantly. If this is a joke, then it is not very funny! In my opinion, this is just a far-fetched version to hide the truth.

    The truth is that for a month now we have been awaiting retaliatory actions from the "West" and its allies in the Middle East in connection with:
    - the Russian operation in Syria, which they like a bone in the throat and even more;
    - publication of the final report on the crash of MH17 in eastern Ukraine, in which no one is directly accused. But more than half of the countries of the world blame Russia through the media and no matter who really is to blame, public opinion has developed.


    And here is the answer, direct and cruel, as always aimed at innocent people! Representatives of the organizers of the attack, do not even hesitate to talk about it! Of course, the whole world needs to know that the attack, revenge on the Russians for their aggressive policies!
    On the first day of the crash, shots appear with an explosion on some passenger airliner (most likely a fake, but it doesn’t matter), plus ISIS takes responsibility for the attack, then there was a refutation, due to the lack of the necessary air defense systems to operate at such a height, but this is not the reason the availability of financial resources (everything is bought and everything is bought) for the preparation of the attack at the airport. But these Russians do not want to admit the obvious. And then U.S. intelligence is throwing information into the media, first about a heat outbreak over Sinai, and then about intercepting ISIS talks about the attack. They clearly hint: they say look at what we have done and can still do.

    But of course, the version of the attack is not beneficial to us and Egypt, either.
    Russia is not profitable, because the pressure of the fifth column and the rest of the people will begin on the cessation of the operation in Syria, of course, the main thing is that nobody wants to die in airplanes because of some kind of war in the Middle East (if they fought in Russia then, yes, and then that).
    Egypt, in general, has only one version, problems with the aircraft itself. Well, of course. If the attack, then who will fly to the resorts to them, is unprofitable, then it means that something was wrong with the plane. And the fact that the security at the airport mess is all a provocation.

    And politics! Russia with Egypt and Egypt with Russia obviously do not want to spoil relations.
  45. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 5 November 2015 08: 24 New
    +1
    So while ordinary people will be a bargaining chip in political games, the war on terrorism will continue and there will be new victims again and again. In this case, you need to understand the goals of such acts, and the goal is to cause fear and panic and, as a result, inadequate actions in making fateful decisions. After a while, you understand why in the USSR the media practically didn’t report such incidents and indeed, apart from panic in society, this news brings nothing. And as a result of these incidents there were not so many.
  46. Buffalo
    Buffalo 11 November 2015 00: 33 New
    0
    According to Satanovsky, the customer of the terrorist attack against our tourists was personally the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Qatar.
    This puppet state has long been sponsoring terrorists, due to the large income received from the sale of energy.
    Mosna is the most vulnerable spot in Qatar; a blow to it will be very painful!