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US State Department prevented the launch of the Russian space system "Arctic"

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Sergey Lemeshevsky, General Director of the Lavochkin NPO, said that the launch dates for the Arktika space system, which the association’s specialists are working on, had to be postponed due to sanctions from the United States, in particular, the ban on the supply of necessary components, Utro.ru with reference to the newspaper "News".




According to the CEO, the engineers had to look for a replacement for the equipment of the payload, at the moment the possibility of using Russian and Chinese components is being considered.

The main purpose of the created system, the deployment agreement for which the total cost of 5.3 billion rubles was signed in 2012, the monitoring of the polar regions and the Arctic Ocean. According to the original plans, the launch of the first satellite into orbit was scheduled for November 25 2015.

However, due to the ban on the export of necessary equipment in the Russian Federation, for deliveries of which the permission of the US State Department is now required, the launch of the first satellite will take place no earlier than 2017, and four vehicles will be put into orbit only by 2021.

“It is noteworthy that problems with the United States arose even before the events in Ukraine began. In the spring of 2013, when Russian-American relations deteriorated due to the situation with Edward Snowden and Syria, the United States banned the supply of the element base for the Geo-IK-2 spacecraft, calling it military. At the same time, a hint was made that in the future a failure could also affect the GLONASS satellites, ”the article notes.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 3 November 2015 09: 49
    54
    How long will we roll them on our engines ??
    1. Hon
      Hon 3 November 2015 09: 51
      22
      while they pay for these engines
      1. mag nit
        mag nit 3 November 2015 09: 56
        31
        And they gave nothing, or what?
        1. Temples
          Temples 3 November 2015 10: 04
          34
          Currently, the possibility of using Russian and Chinese components is being considered.


          What is there to consider? Two years to consider?
          With vision is not okay - put on glasses.
          Or they wait - what if the sanctions are lifted?
          Blocked the supply - look for options.
          Is there that car component?
          Buy illegally after all.
          Convenient position - consider options!
          If only Stalin would have answered someone:
          - We are considering options for making an atomic bomb. Wait a couple of years, and we will see for now, and only then in ten years we will do, without fail! In the meantime, consider. You understand, Americans don’t give uranium!
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 3 November 2015 10: 19
            0
            Quote: Temples
            Buy illegally after all.

            Illegal sale of special electronics in the United States will not work. This is not a computer hardware store. In the United States, all special radio electronics are registered and controlled. It can only be stolen and taken out by espionage, in diplomatic mail or with the help of submarine agents and a submarine. Our attempts to illegally export such equipment always ended in failure.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 3 November 2015 10: 20
              +9
              Yes, in fact, the sanctions themselves are not the result of Russia's actions in Ukraine (or its position on this issue), it is a natural (for the United States) process to deter competitors. But the Ukrainian question is just an excuse for taking sanctions.

              By the fact that ... well, you can imagine today's Russia without the impact of sanctions, its capabilities, potential. That would be too unacceptable for the United States. And above all, the rapprochement of Europe and Russia, such as the creation of a single economic space from Lisbon to Vladivostok, with the prospect of leaving the United States behind the sides of Eurasian geopolitics.

              The United States calculated the approximate time, and staged a "small" performance in Ukraine. Yes, it was not possible to unleash a war (between Europe and Russia), but it at least moved their positions apart.
            2. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 3 November 2015 10: 57
              +3
              Quote: Алексей_К
              . Our attempts to illegally take out such equipment always ended in failure.

              Is it always so? Do you see a gopher?
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 3 November 2015 10: 40
            +3
            Quote: Temples
            Buy illegally after all.

            It is illegal to buy consumer goods. If you are very lucky - military. But space is illegal not to buy in any way - narrow circle of these people... I mean, too small batches and all orders are under control. Unless with the factory ... smile
            1. Semen Semyonitch
              Semen Semyonitch 3 November 2015 11: 16
              +1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Unless with the factory ...

              The plant is not necessary ... Can the line be? lol
            2. tolian
              tolian 3 November 2015 11: 57
              +1
              At one time, the USSR stole a copy of the top-secret SR - 71 aircraft. And with the documentation. And there were several wagons. We discovered this only after the removal of this miracle from service.
              1. Aleksey_K
                Aleksey_K 3 November 2015 17: 52
                +1
                Quote: tolian
                At one time, the USSR stole a copy of the top-secret SR - 71 aircraft. And with the documentation. And there were several wagons. We discovered this only after the removal of this miracle from service.

                Something I have not heard about theft, but on the pages of the Military Review there is an article "The Hunt for the" Blackbird "". So it says that the SR-71 itself flew to the USSR. True, without a wagon of documentation. Apparently railway cars still do not fly.
                Link: http://topwar.ru/30129-ohota-za-chernym-drozdom.html
        2. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 3 November 2015 10: 39
          +2
          The fact of the matter is that they don’t need money, they print it, they need something completely different ...
      2. hydrox
        hydrox 3 November 2015 10: 12
        +4
        Quote: Hon
        while they pay for these engines

        It is good that they pay: if they buy, then they are needed, and the opportunity to buy relaxes more than the high salary (why strain if you can go to the market?)
        It was this very market that liberals hung in the form of a Damocles sword over our defense so that the brains of developers would float with fat - although not really, there are no super-salaries and super-premiums (but the funding is meager) ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 3 November 2015 10: 36
          +8
          Quote: hydrox
          Quote: Hon
          while they pay for these engines

          It is good that they pay: if they buy, then they are needed, and the opportunity to buy relaxes more than the high salary (why strain if you can go to the market?)
          It was this very market that liberals hung in the form of a Damocles sword over our defense so that the brains of developers would float with fat - although not really, there are no super-salaries and super-premiums (but the funding is meager) ...

          Especially I took it in full in order to make it clear. The most "PLEASANT" news, our security developers from Novosibirsk, from other centers, whole laboratories leave for Europe, in the USA and not in Skolkovo. Where they are provided with grants, salaries at a decent level, access to the modern element base. Here they are the results of the leadership of our crooked-handed lawyers and economists, because there are no real business executives in the government, but there are only theoreticians and "journalists" who can only read lectures.
          1. evge-malyshev
            evge-malyshev 3 November 2015 11: 04
            +3
            Quote: Amurets
            there are no real business executives in the government, but only theorists and "journalists" who can only read lectures.


            In short: "managers"
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 3 November 2015 14: 08
            0
            These are the results of the leadership of our crooked-handed lawyers and economists, because there are no real business executives in the government, but there are only theoreticians and "journalists" who can only give lectures.
            The point is that in the USSR, production (serious) was usually led by a professional who, for the most part, went from the lower classes. And now solid managers - read, cut the dough by selling assets. When you see what machines are brought for scrap! Or when the toolboxes were handed over - cutters, cutters, files! Well, they were not taken to be smelted, they were sold to traders in the market. So while the Soviet instrument is still on sale, albeit in small quantities, the price exceeds its Chinese counterparts! Now "enemies of the people" are much more at the helm of government than in the 30s, and they live without fear of any reprisals, from time to time they will pull out some bribe-taker-professor for show, and they will roll him in full for everyone! Well, or those who, having become too hungry, forget about their place and try to get more than the status is released. But in general, all the people are having fun and rejoicing drinks yes, by the way, it turns out tomorrow is a holiday ... another ... all with him ... God forbid, remember the name what
    2. LukaSaraev
      LukaSaraev 3 November 2015 09: 52
      -1
      Rogozin said that these engines have already been built and there is nowhere to put them. Okay, the Mistrals, they’ve even been peeled off to Egypt, and who is this stuff to Nigeria? So they save their penny ... to the joy of mom.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 3 November 2015 09: 59
        -7
        Quote: LukaSaraev
        Rogozin said that these engines have already been built and there is nowhere to put them.

        You would hold your boto, as well as Rogozin (if he really said that). For these engines they pay a price that no raw materials business can dream of.
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 3 November 2015 10: 19
          +3
          if not for rudeness regarding LukaSaraev - I would support you. T.O. Plus I do not put for rudeness. hi
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 3 November 2015 10: 15
        +7
        Quote: LukaSaraev
        Rogozin said that these engines have already been built and there is nowhere to put them.



        All the same, this does not justify their delivery in such conditions ...

        Sometimes it’s better to sacrifice money, but win politically ...

        If today we take and refuse to supply engines - let them check their turnips until 2019 (when they plan to replace our engines with their own) ...

        And one more thing: when will our purchases of state candy wrappers cease, and when Russian resources will be withdrawn from the US economy and financial system ???
      3. Rostislav
        Rostislav 3 November 2015 10: 20
        +2
        Rocket engines that they themselves cannot build are trash ?!
        Yes, you, my friend, are you really so miserable, or are you just pretending to be unsuccessful, forgetting to hang out?
      4. lablizn
        lablizn 3 November 2015 10: 35
        +5
        The Americans still cannot reproduce this "junk".
        Only by 19 they promise to do something similar, but it will take some time to work off and fine-tune it. So what about "junk" you are in vain!
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 3 November 2015 11: 26
          0
          Quote: lablizn
          The Americans still cannot reproduce this "junk".
          Only by 19 they promise to do something similar, but it will take some time to work off and fine-tune it. So what about "junk" you are in vain!

          laughing in vain you are so fooled about this chatter about engines and rockets, they can build everything themselves, there private traders themselves begin to build, not like NASA. The only question so far is that our missiles are many times cheaper than Amer’s and so far more efficient. You don’t think that their ICBMs fly on wood or crawl low.
          It’s cheaper for them to load our capacities, while:
          1. we still rivet junk - we are not progressing, we are not modernizing assembly shops, etc.
          2. They will still print their pieces of paper and increase the satellite constellation on our engines.
          I agree to pay big money, but at the same time they keep us Faberge threats at any time to refuse - where will we add 20-30 engines?
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 3 November 2015 09: 55
      22
      And where is the import substitution? It is not only about space. Here the USSR was not afraid to invest in long-term projects, and then sanctions were not even the present.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 November 2015 09: 59
        +2
        they didn’t sell RD-180 to them ... as if it was unclear that they did not understand good.
        1. Koshak
          Koshak 3 November 2015 11: 22
          +3
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          they didn’t sell RD-180 to them ... as if it was unclear that they did not understand good.

          There is no "good" or evil here, there are no friendships and partnerships. Clean business. Money is everything.
      2. Darkoff
        Darkoff 3 November 2015 10: 00
        +6
        Let us buy engines from us. And we will spend this money on the development and production of the missing components of the Arctic system.
        1. max702
          max702 3 November 2015 10: 31
          +1
          Quote: DarkOFF
          Let us buy engines from us. And we will spend this money on the development and production of the missing components of the Arctic system.

          Satellites are needed yesterday! And it takes YEARS to develop the necessary years to implement YEARS ..
          There is no time for their money to develop something, and the "partners" understand this perfectly well, it is not about money (there are plenty of them!), But about time ...
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 3 November 2015 11: 49
            +3
            Quote: max702

            Satellites are needed yesterday!

            It was necessary to develop the day before yesterday.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 3 November 2015 14: 09
            0
            Quote: max702
            Satellites are needed yesterday! And it takes YEARS to develop the necessary years to implement YEARS ..

            With the current development of technologies, development and design take much less time (the availability of good software and specialists), the main reason is the lack of specialists, financing, and competent management.
            Tests and debugging take the most time, but it seems that if you do not have 2-3 working copies (plus the block layout of the product) and a sufficient number of stands, the test time can be reduced by several times.
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 3 November 2015 11: 48
          0
          Quote: DarkOFF
          Let us buy engines from us. And we will spend this money on the development and production of the missing components of the Arctic system.

          Gold words.
        3. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 3 November 2015 13: 19
          +1
          Quote: DarkOFF
          And we will put this money into development

          Cool - "The Haberdasher and the Cardinal are power!"
          JSC NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko ”- JSC is actually a joint stock company. JSC is a part of RSC Energia JSC - JSC is an open joint-stock company. In general, shareholders will gather and begin to decide what to do with the money. They will want to buy a Ferrari, but they will want to sell all the factories altogether, close and drink for scrap, they have the right. Or are you one of the shareholders? Then, of course, let the money go into development.
      3. Mareman Vasilich
        Mareman Vasilich 3 November 2015 12: 52
        0
        This suggests that being addicted is bad. Betrayal always cost citizens dearly. It’s a pity that the current government is just doing nothing to get out of external control.
    4. Sweles
      Sweles 3 November 2015 10: 03
      +6
      And what is most remarkable is that the import substitution of these microcircuits is not even included in the import substitution program, i.e. just nobody knows about it. "There will be no microcircuits, okay, so let's make up with pin_dos tady again" - this is the logic of the liberal government of the Kremlin.
      1. venaya
        venaya 3 November 2015 10: 35
        +1
        Quote: Sveles
        import substitution of these microcircuits is not even included in the import substitution program
        because of US sanctions, in particular, a ban on the supply of necessary components ... the United States banned the supply of components for the Geo-IK-2 spacecraft, calling it military. At the same time, a hint was made that in the future a failure could also affect GLONASS satellites

        And why are they only now beginning to remember this? Wasn't that clear a long time ago? Yesterday I was already informed about the closure of production, and to whom it was not clear that "it is necessary to start from the beginning", namely with components. Yes, it is more profitable to buy a lot from abroad, I do not argue, only in the long term this can ensure a complete failure, and at the most crucial moment. According to my, not very accurate data, the price of this issue was about $ 5 billion, just a few years ago. Here is the answer to the complaints against me regarding the planning of the state. budget. The prospect must be considered more carefully, not missing key points of strategic importance.
      2. GRAY
        GRAY 3 November 2015 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: Sveles
        There will be no microcircuit, okay, here we’ll make peace with the pin_ dos of Tada again

        The question is who will take them. This is a small-scale production and due to the lack of a sufficient number of customers it will be unprofitable.
        As one politician put it, "the market will regulate itself" - so it regulates.
        Market economy, her mother.
    5. hydrox
      hydrox 3 November 2015 10: 04
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      How long will we roll them on our engines ??

      And who is stopping us from making barter instead of the pragmatic, "I don't want to yesterday, but tomorrow, let's do it!" :: engines in exchange for components. All the same, Americans will not be able to make such dviguns faster than in 5 years and for money less than $ 50-70 lard.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 3 November 2015 11: 08
        +3
        Quote: hydrox
        And who is stopping us from making barter instead of the pragmatic, "I don’t want to yesterday, but tomorrow, come on!"

        The terms of the contract interfere, the penalty will be sickly.
      2. evge-malyshev
        evge-malyshev 3 November 2015 11: 21
        +1
        Quote: hydrox
        engines in exchange for components.


        So the amer engines are already delivered. Not all, of course, but as much as they need.
    6. Tusv
      Tusv 3 November 2015 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      How long will we roll them on our engines ??

      Riding on our engines, we hinder the development of their astronautics. Elon Musk alone is not a warrior in space. In addition to RD-180, RD-181 + Space taxi was needed - not frail grandmas.
      But with the ban on the supply of elementary base, the Americans are developing ours, and very quickly
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 3 November 2015 14: 19
        -1
        Quote: Tusv
        But with the ban on the supply of elementary base, the Americans are developing ours, and very quickly

        You didn’t think that they’ll be packed with our engines for the next 5-7 years and will calmly develop their own ones — moreover, the work has been ongoing for a long time, and trusting their bikes about 5-10 years to create a new engine is just childish naivety. No one really knows how far or not very advanced they are in their development. Our scientists and generally from all over the planet are attracted by money and conditions, and what are our people attracted to? Millions and golden parachutes from topmanagers of corporations?
    7. Sweles
      Sweles 3 November 2015 10: 12
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      How long will we roll them on our engines ??


      The liberal-capitalist model of the development of society, as we see this model, implies LOSS OF STATE PRESTIGE. The state cannot rely on its own industry, the army of science cannot do what they consider necessary, because our government does not want to create real import substitution.
      Glazyev says that without investment and a reduction in the key rate, there is and will not be any economic development, and our Kremlin liberals say “wait, we'll see, inflation will drop by itself, then we will lower the rate” - this is not just insanity, it is a treacherous government policy.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 3 November 2015 11: 05
        +1
        Quote: Sveles
        Glazyev says that without investment and a reduction in the key rate, there is and will not be any economic development, and our Kremlin liberals say “wait, we'll see, inflation will drop by itself, then we will lower the rate” - this is not just insanity, it is a treacherous government policy.

        Somehow, no one wants to understand that investment is also economic bondage, if not worse. Foreign banks will not invest in the development of our industry. They will invest in quick-going projects such as lending their very products sold on our market. So they tied Russia more tightly to the commodity market. Lower key rates and long-term loans will give development to our industry, and our liberals and foreign banks don’t need it, we need to think how to organize production. Now we don’t need to think about anything. I bought, paid, sold, the difference is in my pocket . Thank. And do not think for nothing.
        1. Sweles
          Sweles 3 November 2015 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: Amurets
          Foreign banks will not invest in the development of our industry


          Yes, that's not what you are talking about, not "not foreign investors", but our own financing, our own banks, Glazyev said about this.
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    9. dckx
      dckx 3 November 2015 10: 42
      +3
      Despite their sanctions, engines must be sold if they buy, because this is real money for our space industry and reduced funding for their (USA) projects. Russia's position on this issue looks more professional.
    10. klev72
      klev72 3 November 2015 10: 47
      -2
      While the constitution is not changed to sovereign.
    11. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 3 November 2015 14: 46
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      How long will we roll them on our engines ??


      Always desirable. Then they will never create their own adequate ones.
    12. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 3 November 2015 15: 29
      0
      Exactly why we can’t tell the USA that we are ceasing to deliver their astronauts to the station, let the telescopes look, I’m sure they will have to humiliate themselves with all the honest peace, so that we again agree to carry them to the station, I think they will cancel some sanctions and prohibitions, I understand import substitution and all that, but we urgently need to launch these satellites into orbit!
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 3 November 2015 09: 50
    +1
    They act like little children, something works out for us so I won’t let you finish it.
  3. leo3972
    leo3972 3 November 2015 09: 51
    +6
    Yes, send it to hell and let them hitchhike to the ISS laughing
  4. hydrox
    hydrox 3 November 2015 09: 52
    10
    And I remember that someone screamed that we would buy everything we needed in SEA.
    Sanctions were not introduced yesterday - why did the liberals do nothing to rectify the situation?
    Or does the liberals need this to defend the country's defense?
  5. venzim
    venzim 3 November 2015 09: 53
    +6
    Prohibit the supply of our rocket engines in the United States. Let them fly on the cannonball
  6. viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 3 November 2015 09: 55
    12
    We will launch the "Arctic", but in the Arctic itself we have been at home for a long time !!!
    Smile !!!
    1. viktorrymar
      viktorrymar 3 November 2015 09: 56
      15
      We will launch the "Arctic", but in the Arctic itself we have been at home for a long time !!!
      Smile !!!
      1. Batia
        Batia 3 November 2015 10: 24
        +6
        To go nuts photo !!! I am a hunter with great experience, but even with a carbine I would not dare to treat this clubfoot with a cookie.
        1. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 3 November 2015 13: 14
          +1
          ..... Ofiget photo !!! ...

          .... This is to see "your" bear .... It hangs around people (constantly feeding) .... Already got used to them ....
  7. Darkoff
    Darkoff 3 November 2015 09: 58
    +3
    Let us launch the Arctic later, but, however, completely ours.
  8. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 3 November 2015 10: 03
    +8
    So in the USA, money is not the main thing, but in Russia, - refuse to supply rocket engines to the USA - NO ???, - MONEY IS EXPENSIVE ??? Lord, are Russian businesses really so rotten that $$ blinds their eyes, and for them in this matter - "nothing personal, just business ..."
    They are probably going to eat their billions when the "critical" days come ... request
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 3 November 2015 10: 19
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      So in the USA, money is not the main thing, but in Russia - to refuse the supply of rocket engines to the USA - IN ANY WAY ???, - IS MONEY EXPENSIVE ??? Lord, are Russian businesses really so rotten that $$ blinds their eyes, and this is for them in this matter - "nothing personal, just business ..."

      Let them sell, earn money, develop technology, pay science and salary to people.
    2. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 3 November 2015 10: 36
      +1
      No, they will ask that they put money in the coffin.
    3. 2s1122
      2s1122 3 November 2015 10: 38
      +1
      Critical days for women, and for us there may be difficult times
      1. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 3 November 2015 13: 35
        0
        We, the people, have difficult days, but "these" have - until the critical moment, to dump with "overwhelming" acquired over the hill, there are a lot of examples, I hope there is no need to name the names of "patriots" of Russia.
  9. cosmos-PS
    cosmos-PS 3 November 2015 10: 04
    +2
    There are technical capabilities to make their analogues, without buying from the Americans, and there are smart heads that can make them, but with the organization of production everything is bad. This is the weak point.
  10. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 3 November 2015 10: 04
    +3
    Quote: Hon
    while they pay for these engines

    In this case, money is not the main thing. Why not try bartering our engines against the hardware we need? At least until we find other alternatives! There is no time to waste!
  11. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 3 November 2015 10: 04
    +3
    To prevent us is their main task and pleasure. And to appropriate our merits.
  12. 31rus
    31rus 3 November 2015 10: 07
    +3
    Dear, I have the same question, in spite of the sanctions we supply the United States, rocket engines, so why not "calculate", not "green, but real samples at cost, how it all turns out one-sided, the United States can, but we have one" Wishlist ", again we are investing money in the US market, why not invest in the development of the microelectronic industry?
  13. veksha50
    veksha50 3 November 2015 10: 11
    +4
    "It is noteworthy that the problems with the United States arose even before the events in Ukraine began."

    The USSR-Russia with the USA always had problems ...

    And this incomprehensible policy of our authorities kills me ... We supply them with engines for their rocket launchers, and they with constant negative dynamics disrupt us the implementation of their programs ...

    Business - business, money - money, but you can’t lower yourself in relations with the USA below the baseboard ??? !!!
  14. ZSP
    ZSP 3 November 2015 10: 25
    +1
    But what about import substitution, since 2013, they have been considering replacement options, they would have turned to the Chinese already, they would have already copied during this time, and they would have brought it to mind, if we can only consider it ourselves, and through India or another country it’s not fate to buy, 2 years to consider replacing, I want to work there ....
  15. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 3 November 2015 10: 31
    +1
    The government, if there is still a sufficient number of figures who are patriotically interested in strengthening the power of the Russian Federation, it is urgent to organize science and production to replace the American military and space microcircuits, for the supply of which we need special permission from Uncle Sam, and domestic ones like complex microcircuits - microcontrollers, FPGAs, processors (Comdivs, Elbrus, MTsST R500, Milandrovskie ARM-s, rad.resistant FRAM).
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 3 November 2015 10: 43
      0
      Yes, they deliberately sabotage the development of domestic developments. Someone in the government is actively lobbying for the interests of Western companies, but he is wiping his feet on domestic legs and hindering development in every way.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 3 November 2015 13: 06
        0
        Quote: JonnyT
        Someone in the government is actively lobbying for the interests of Western companies, but he is wiping his feet on domestic legs and hindering development in every way.

        The standard price of an official’s signature on supply contracts is 2% of deliveries. This is also from Kasyanov. He has a nickname; Misha is 2%. And now, count, I conditionally took it to make it easier to assume that it would bring more profit: a consignment worth 1000 rubles or a lot worth 1000 euros? The answer is 20 rubles and 1400 rubles at the euro exchange rate.
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  17. Belousov
    Belousov 3 November 2015 10: 38
    +2
    There it is time for these officials to simply hang them through one, and it is indicative of the confiscation of property. Two years to consider the issue of import substitution and never come up with how?!?
  18. askort154
    askort154 3 November 2015 10: 45
    +6
    It just takes evil. Well, how much you can wind the snot.
    Decades are the same - "it's time to get off the pipe", "it's time to get off the pipe". No, not even sanctions can steal
    from it our ticks of "Gaidar-liberal-economist-financiers" that have stuck to it. Why bother building something,
    when everything can be bought. From time to time we are promoting ourselves, tipv: on "Yo" - mobile, "nana technologies", "Skolkovo", living for
    account of the reserves of Soviet science. There are already so many "oh and ah" about this unfortunate "element base", as well as about the "pipe"
    decades flicker, but we can’t overpower it. So they poke us in the der.mo, because we are marking ourselves near it.
    Now it is fashionable for officials to collect watches, pens and villas beyond the hill. Why would they have some kind of incomprehensible "element base" that it will give them. Not cool!
  19. Diviz
    Diviz 3 November 2015 10: 48
    +1
    All is long. What will happen after 2018 who knows. At least put everything on the rails, which is what we are doing, but we need it faster. The motto is - let us take the cosmos together - and everything will reach us.
  20. Nitarius
    Nitarius 3 November 2015 10: 50
    +1
    It was not necessary right away .... I worked in this area! they said then .. that the addiction is very critical!
  21. red_october
    red_october 3 November 2015 11: 00
    +4
    US State Department prevented the launch of the Russian space system "Arctic"

    What does the State Department have to do with it? Did they make us buy their equipment at gunpoint?
  22. roskot
    roskot 3 November 2015 11: 11
    +4
    He who wants to resolve the issue is seeking solutions. Who does not want to work, looking for excuses.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 3 November 2015 11: 22
      +3
      And our government is looking for excuses.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 3 November 2015 13: 10
        +1
        I agree! We must also remember how many "mastered" budget billions of Skolkovo. Yes, there were lectures that were "read" by the deputies of the State Duma, and at the exit - ZERO. Typical laundry and sawing. hi
  23. bobba94
    bobba94 3 November 2015 11: 15
    +5
    These are not sticks in wheels. This is help. There will be no sanctions - their components will not appear. Their components will not appear - there will remain dependence on foreign manufacturers, and dependence on foreign manufacturers in the defense industry will be dependent on everything else.
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 3 November 2015 11: 18
    +1
    the Yankees themselves aren’t always everywhere, they obviously have come to a time of stagnation, as we did in the 80s, that’s why there is every kind of deterrence of the technical and economic breakthrough of Russia, so they are trying to somehow contain the onslaught of Russia, introduce all kinds of sanctions, bans, up to direct threats, supposedly thereby curbing Russian aggression ...
  25. Igor Olegovich
    Igor Olegovich 3 November 2015 12: 00
    +1
    It is necessary for the Yankees to block the path to the ISS, they themselves will bring everything.
  26. koksalek
    koksalek 3 November 2015 12: 56
    0
    Quote: DEZINTO
    How long will we roll them on our engines ??

    Yeah, it also immediately came to mind about the engines, they could slow down deliveries with a delicious sauce, bargain, put out their Wishlist, otherwise they’ll do it all at once and from them horseradish with mattress strips. Yankers are not red girls to love them, there is an opportunity to pull them at the very reluctance
  27. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 3 November 2015 13: 02
    +1
    Americans are real idiots. It will lead to the fact that we will bypass this ban and will put our own or other analogues. So they lose the market.
  28. fa2998
    fa2998 3 November 2015 13: 03
    0
    Quote: leo3972
    Yes, send it to hell and let them hitchhike to the ISS laughing

    The fact is that Russia earns currency on these engines. And a lot. And the currency is now very much needed. And the fact that they do not sell us components, it is not fatal for their economy, it’s a fraction of a percent. THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE TO THINK HOW COVERED "IMPORT SUBSTITUTION". IT IS NECESSARY TO DO YOUR OWN! This is not easy, it takes time and money. hi
  29. Shaitan_by
    Shaitan_by 3 November 2015 13: 06
    +1
    I suggest organizing barter. Missile engines for components (both to the Arctic and oil refining, etc.). Why do we need green paper if it is impossible to buy what is needed on it.
  30. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 3 November 2015 14: 11
    0
    Quote: DarkOFF
    Let us buy engines from us. And we will spend this money on the development and production of the missing components of the Arctic system.

    I doubt that there is a linear relationship here! Different contracts, different departments, and all this is separated in time request !
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 November 2015 14: 12
    0
    And why did you cry then?
    I think that people are already working on a problem.
    You will notice that growth has gone after 10 of the year.
    And the money thrown into production began to give a result
    and new developments in iron began to do.
    Not all at once. Need to understand
    that in any production the main thing is to reduce costs.
    Or compensate for them.
    Therefore, we sell weapons abroad.
    And to take up electronics is not easy for the reason
    that the basis has been preparing for a very long time.
    We will prepare the basis and work will begin on the replacement.
  32. Old26
    Old26 3 November 2015 19: 52
    0
    Quote: veksha50
    Quote: LukaSaraev
    Rogozin said that these engines have already been built and there is nowhere to put them.


    All the same, this does not justify their delivery in such conditions ...

    Sometimes it’s better to sacrifice money, but win politically ...

    If today we take and refuse to supply engines - let them check their turnips until 2019 (when they plan to replace our engines with their own) ...

    And one more thing: when will our purchases of state candy wrappers cease, and when Russian resources will be withdrawn from the US economy and financial system ???

    These engines were not yet built when an agreement was reached.
    Yes, sometimes it would be possible to compromise on the money issue, winning politically, but this is not the case. It was this order of the Americans for 104 EMNIP engines that allowed the enterprise to survive. We do not need these engines, so at least we managed to keep the team and all high-tech production. And so it would be like the saying "to spite my grandmother's ears frostbite"

    Of course, we can now go on principle and freeze the supply of the remaining 10 or 20 engines? And the result? Dismissal of employees, destruction by their own hands of a unique production. Yes, and you have to return the money, and even with penalties. And to be honest, missiles with our engines are about 20-25 percent of all launches. In principle, they have already approached tests of similar and more powerful engines. At the same time, several billion dollars were saved.