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"Kalashnikov" presented in Thailand an automatic caliber 5,56 mm

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At the exhibition Defense & Security-2015, held in Bangkok, the Kalashnikov concern presented more than 20 samples of rifle weapons both military and civilian, reports MIC with reference to the press service of the company.




“As part of the exhibition, the concern presents the world's best-selling models of small arms — the Kalashnikov assault rifles (AK) of the“ 100th series ”and Dragunov sniper rifles, as well as AKs with a universal retrofit kit. At the same time, Kalashnikov assault rifles are represented, including, in the caliber of the NATO countries - 5,56 mm, widely used in the Asia-Pacific region, ”the release says.

In addition, at the stand there are the Vityaz submachine gun, the 18,5 KS-K combat shotgun, as well as a wide range of civilian products: various modifications of the Saiga carbines, including the Saiga MK-107 with system of balanced automation, "told the press service.

From among the upgraded samples presented a sniper rifle SVD-M caliber 7,62 mm.

“Visitors to the concern’s exposition will also be able to see high-precision military products - the Krasnopol and Kitol-2M artillery shells,” the concern said.

The press service noted that “standard combat and civilian weapons demonstrated the ability to use elements such as the NATO standard telescopic butt, ergonomic pistol grip, receiver lid with Picatinny rail, handguard that allows you to set a laser target designator, flashlight, extra handle or bipod. "

The exhibition Defense & Security-2015 will last until November 5.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 2 November 2015 18: 08 New
    15
    We will win, the last warning for fsha, nature, the earth is for us.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 November 2015 18: 24 New
      10
      “Visitors to the group’s exposition will also be able to see high-precision military products - artillery shells Krasnopol и "Kitolov-2M"", - reported in the concern.

      But from my point of view, this is no longer good! You first saturate your artillery with Krasnopoli, and then sell the export version wherever you want! In general disgrace in this regard am
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 2 November 2015 19: 06 New
        +1
        Krasnopol is a rather old shell, from the beginning of the 80x in large numbers. “Kitolov” is newer - the middle of the 80x massively. About 3-4 years ago, the Indians began to extort from us by any means technology with equipment for their production, but the fact is that we do not have breakthrough technologies. On the equipment and with the technology of Krasnopol it is possible to PRODUCE Escaliburn (these are actually identical ammunition), but having studied them and the technology it is quite realistic to engineer something of your own - not much, but significantly different from ours and Amer.
    2. marlin1203
      marlin1203 2 November 2015 18: 25 New
      +2
      The day will come when the Pentagon will adopt the 5, 56 mm AK! laughing
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 2 November 2015 18: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: marlin1203
        The day will come when the Pentagon will adopt the 5, 56 mm AK! laughing

        Gee gee! This has already happened. Without a license, America began to launch our AK-74, insolently! And RPG-7 grenade launchers. You can check on the Internet, and the relevant articles were in.
        Well, about the super-popular AK in Pindostan, everything is clear, they will go on civilian sale and we can still arm the police .. But RPG-7 is only for the US Army request
        1. Izotovp
          Izotovp 2 November 2015 19: 46 New
          0
          The patent is valid for 30 years, so they do not need a license. But if more recent samples, then yes, go to the window))).
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 2 November 2015 22: 55 New
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          Gee gee! This has already happened. Without a license, America began to launch our AK-74, insolently! And RPG-7 grenade launchers. You can check on the Internet, and the relevant articles were in.
          Well, about the super-popular AK in Pindostan, everything is clear, they will go on civilian sale and we can still arm the police .. But RPG-7 is only for the US Army

          Firstly, it was about AKM. Secondly, patents currently apply only to a few technical solutions of the hundredth series
      2. Altona
        Altona 2 November 2015 21: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: marlin1203
        The day will come when the Pentagon will adopt the 5, 56 mm AK!

        --------------------------
        15 years have already come, if not more ...
    3. vodolaz
      vodolaz 2 November 2015 18: 27 New
      +5
      That's right, you need to conquer markets.
    4. Baikonur
      Baikonur 2 November 2015 18: 29 New
      -1
      Putin even steers birds in the distance!
      He has EVERYTHING under control!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 2 November 2015 18: 37 New
        0
        And yet, they say, at the unification of Germany, at first they wanted to accept the East German version of the AK chambered for 5,56 mm as the main infantry machine ... But for some reason it did not grow together.
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        2. lukke
          lukke 2 November 2015 22: 20 New
          0
          And yet, they say
          and you don’t listen) AKM-7,62 was first produced in the GDR for the army under our licenses, and then from the mid-80s AK-74 (5,45). Personal weapons were diverse: including R-38, PM, High Power)
      2. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 2 November 2015 18: 37 New
        11
        extremely popular with customers submachine gun "Vityaz"

        Aggressive fellow.
      3. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 2 November 2015 19: 16 New
        +6
        Putin even steers birds in the distance!
        He has EVERYTHING under control!
        Putin must be laughing at us! ("SVOBODNE NOVINY", Czech Republic).
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 2 November 2015 19: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: Rostov Dad
          Putin must be laughing at us! ("SVOBODNE NOVINY", Czech Republic).

          It was necessary to read Gogol, Bunin, so as not to ask such stupid questions about the mysteries of the Russian soul, people write without understanding the roots of what is happening
  2. svp67
    svp67 2 November 2015 18: 09 New
    +1
    At the same time, Kalashnikov assault rifles are presented, including in the caliber of NATO countries - 5,56 mm, widely used in the Asia-Pacific region, ”the release said.
    And also the Russian side expressed its readiness to supply MUCH CHEAPER 5,56mm cartridges with a STEEL SHIELD, so that all sorts of “M-ki” would be SUPPRESSED by them ...
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 2 November 2015 18: 19 New
      13
      AK-101, AK-102 chambered for 5,56mm ...
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 2 November 2015 20: 32 New
        -14
        Quote: Prapor-527
        AK-101, AK-102 chambered for 5,56mm ...

        Beautiful, but from the Akamoid family, I like Galil ACE more.
        1. Good me
          Good me 2 November 2015 21: 27 New
          +7
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Beautiful, but from the Akamoid family, I like Galil ACE more.

          I don’t remember which of your gang, persistently called "Galil" the version of the Finnish "Velmet", thereby trying to prove that they say: "AK," we did not copy ...

          Aren't you?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 2 November 2015 22: 58 New
            -5
            Quote: Good I

            I don’t remember which of your gang, persistently called "Galil" the version of the Finnish "Velmet", thereby trying to prove that they say: "AK," we did not copy ...

            Aren't you?

            In fact, it was emphasized that Galil is a derivative of Kalash. Only now it was noted in response to allegations of theft that there was an official purchase of sublicense from Valmet.
            Well, if you bring charges, and even in an insulting form, can you take the trouble to back them up with some kind of factology? Or is the main thing here - pouting cheeks?
        2. Good me
          Good me 2 November 2015 21: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Beautiful, but from the Akamoid family, I like Galil ACE more.

          I don’t remember which of your gang, persistently called "Galil" the version of the Finnish "Velmet", thereby trying to prove that they say: "AK," we did not copy ...

          Aren't you?
          1. Lekov L
            Lekov L 2 November 2015 22: 45 New
            +2
            Of course they did not copy. This is a quick Finnish guys lively licked. But niiih already.
            Taki them for sho?
            Respectfully..
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 2 November 2015 23: 03 New
              -4
              Quote: Lekov L
              Of course they did not copy. This is a quick Finnish guys lively licked. But niiih already.
              Taki them for sho?
              Respectfully..

              Actually, the Finnish guys bought a license
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 2 November 2015 23: 21 New
                0
                And I would like to hear your opinion about 4.6 and 4.45 caliber, moreover, as a hunting option
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 2 November 2015 18: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And also the Russian side expressed its readiness to supply 5,56mm cartridges with a steel sleeve, so that all sorts of “M-ki” would be SUPPRESSED by them ...

      Well, no! The quality of our manufacturer is recognized in the global military community. Not for nothing, the States ordered in 12 from US TWO BILLIONS of cartridges of various calibers. And this happened after a test of cheap and "high-quality" Chinese cartridges! Here it is! soldier
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 November 2015 18: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: GSH-18
        The quality of our manufacturer is recognized in the global military community.

        Yes, I have no complaints about them, because I know that our weapons calmly “swallow” any, but the “pampered” Western ones love cartridges with a brass sleeve ... from steel sleeves their “indigestion” quickly sets in
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 November 2015 19: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: GSH-18
          The quality of our manufacturer is recognized in the global military community.

          Yes, I have no complaints about them, because I know that our weapons calmly “swallow” any, but the “pampered” Western ones love cartridges with a brass sleeve ... from steel sleeves their “indigestion” quickly sets in

          In fact, now it’s not so important what an automatic or gun sleeve is made of, because this product is disposable. The main thing is HOW and WHO it is made of. Here are our iron ones for emkas .. and for some reason the Chinese wedge and spoil the automation request Hence the choice in our favor.
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 November 2015 19: 15 New
            0
            Quote: GSH-18
            In fact, now it’s not so important what an automatic or gun sleeve is made of, because this product is disposable.

            Alas, this is not so. The elastic "brass" is lighter and with less wear of the mechanism is sent, and most importantly it is extracted after the shot, which can not be said about the "steel". So, there is a difference, but only for Western weapons.
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 2 November 2015 19: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              Alas, this is not so. The elastic "brass" is lighter and with less wear of the mechanism is sent, and most importantly it is extracted after the shot, which can not be said about the "steel".

              Dear, I will now tell you about some factory-made technologies for cheaper but no less effective cartridges for small arms in the USSR. Yes, they were still concerned about this in the USSR, because modified iron sleeves coated with a copper coating are cheaper than brass ones — in the USSR they also knew how to count money. So, the main indicator for the liner is shock elasticity and shape retention. ALL THESE TTX were achieved in the Soviet Union, and without any problems the ammunition was produced in an iron-coated version. No one was kissing, like our American partners, getting Russian high-quality ammunition for their weapons! They willingly admit it.
          2. shalim
            shalim 2 November 2015 20: 52 New
            +1
            all Chinese products are (practically) worse than a condom, even not enough at once ...) negative
            Quote: GSH-18
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: GSH-18
            The quality of our manufacturer is recognized in the global military community.

            Yes, I have no complaints about them, because I know that our weapons calmly “swallow” any, but the “pampered” Western ones love cartridges with a brass sleeve ... from steel sleeves their “indigestion” quickly sets in

            In fact, now it’s not so important what an automatic or gun sleeve is made of, because this product is disposable. The main thing is HOW and WHO it is made of. Here are our iron ones for emkas .. and for some reason the Chinese wedge and spoil the automation request Hence the choice in our favor.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 2 November 2015 22: 07 New
              0
              Quote: shalim
              all Chinese products (almost)

              Said shalim Pressed Enter "Claudia" made in China and connected to a computer, all of whose components are also made in China. Tell me, what does your electronics home have nothing to do with China?
              1. not main
                not main 3 November 2015 00: 59 New
                0
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Said shalim Pressed Enter "Claudia" made in China and connected to a computer, all of whose components are also made in China. Tell me, what does your electronics home have nothing to do with China?

                The question is certainly not for me! But I made you think. And it turned out I have not so few such products! True, most of this is what is done with your own hands or with the help of friends! And factory-made is what remains of the Soviet past!
          3. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 3 November 2015 04: 47 New
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            Eeee, do not tell, because the sleeve forms friction pairs with the details of automation. And when used, steel wear increases. Somehow, with any backlash, it remains operable, but Western samples are very limited here. Given their high cost, it is probably easier for them to use brass ...
      2. FIREMAN
        FIREMAN 2 November 2015 19: 01 New
        +1
        Dear GS-18, according to NATO standards, cartridges in caliber 5,56 and 7,62 are used only with a brass sleeve. Cartridge plants can provide such a thing - there are no problems, the technology has been worked out. It’s just that brass sleeves are expensive for us, but NATO loves the quality of the M-16 and the HK G3 does not digest steel sleeves, the extraction conditions are different. Well, somehow not really going into theory.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 2 November 2015 19: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: FIREMAN
          Dear GS-18, according to NATO standards, cartridges in caliber 5,56 and 7,62 are used only with a brass sleeve.

          Dear FIREMAN, everything is easier there. If the offer corresponds to the performance characteristics (in full) of the order of the United States Department of Defense, and even wins at a price, this is welcome. Well, you understand, huh? And no one pays attention to the materials of the product, but at least cook with plastic and snot, the main thing is reliable operation of the weapon and guaranteed defeat of targets request
          1. FIREMAN
            FIREMAN 2 November 2015 19: 30 New
            0
            Here I got hooked, quite a while ago I can’t remember such a thing on the forum.
            In accordance with the STANAG 4172 standard, 5,56x45 mm NATO cartridges have a brass sleeve
            http://topwar.ru/29958-glavnyy-patron-holodnoy-voyny.html
            GSH-18, I can allow everything in life - including the arrival of aliens, and the use in NATO NATO ... (weapons) of cartridges with a steel sleeve if necessary, but as a rule they do not deviate from the standards and in peacetime are unlikely retreat. I understand your point of view; it has a right to exist to some extent. Therefore, our discussion came out so hot and fruitful. My position in this case is unchanged - the parameters of the chamber of NATO weapons are “sharpened” under a brass sleeve and the corresponding conditions for the functioning of the weapon (gas engine operation, extraction, ejection, etc.), the weapon can undoubtedly digest the steel sleeve, but the number of delays in shooting will be disproportionately higher. thank
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 2 November 2015 19: 53 New
              +1
              Quote: FIREMAN
              Undoubtedly, a weapon can also digest a steel sleeve, but the number of delays in shooting will be incommensurably higher. thank

              This is how you understand the procurers in the US Department of Defense. And realizing the very high quality of Russian products, they are not shy of any “sanctions” there, they invest money, conduct transactions through offshore companies, and there are a lot of options there, and OUR ammunition factories are loaded with big orders. Which is very good.
              1. FIREMAN
                FIREMAN 2 November 2015 20: 03 New
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                Well, they agreed.
                By the way, here is another quote from the book of Malimon:
                what problems did we have with the transition from a bimetallic sleeve to a varnished steel one (and this is only a small part of the problems of adapting weapons from brass to steel):
                "The plant disapproves of the appearance in the mid-50s of the first experimental batches of cartridges with a steel varnished sleeve that are not distinguished by high quality, intended to replace the standard ones with a bimetallic sleeve.
                Varnished cartridges left a hard-to-remove carbon deposit in the chamber, gave tears to cartridges, worsened the operation of weapons, which, according to the plant, was due to the changed surface properties of the cartridges. The deterioration of the reliability of the machine was mainly expressed in the denormalization of the supply of cartridges from the store (poking, non-feed, dual feed, etc.).
                Initially, the plant even objected to the supply of such cartridges, as this introduced “disorganization in the production work” (arch.? 2579-57, p. 94). In the future, the quality of new cartridges improved, and they were taken to supply the army, but even in this case, the presence of an increased number of delays complicated the delivery of finished products to the customer. A similar thing happened at the factory that manufactured the Simonov carbine (arch.? 50-61, p. 145). It required the completion of the machine and the store, which was already completed on its modernized version in the early 60s. On the machine, in particular, the bevels were introduced on the shutter rammer and the profile of the lower part of the flush of the bolt frame was changed in order to ensure a smoother interaction with the upper cartridge of the magazine and to reduce the “rebound” of cartridges downward when rolling parts. A feed spring has been strengthened around the store, the profile of the zig guides has been updated (arch.? 76-62, p. 79). "
                http://lib.rus.ec/b/214240/read#t37
  3. avvg
    avvg 2 November 2015 18: 23 New
    +3
    In my opinion, the Kalashnikov assault rifle is a product that does not need advertising !!!
  4. dr.star75
    dr.star75 2 November 2015 18: 23 New
    +4
    And what’s the news? Civilian saiga MK223rem have been selling for a long time. Barnaul cartridges 223rem for 10 rubles long ago on sale. It is not clear why the saiga in the enemy caliber has long been on sale, but in our native 5.45 it’s only planned? request
    1. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 2 November 2015 18: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: dr.star75
      It’s not clear why saiga has long been on sale in the enemy caliber, but is only planned in our native 5.45?

      For what purpose do you need a Saiga 5,45?
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 2 November 2015 18: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Prapor-527
        Quote: dr.star75
        It’s not clear why saiga has long been on sale in the enemy caliber, but is only planned in our native 5.45?

        For what purpose do you need a Saiga 5,45?

        Saiga at 5,45 ??? belay fool Shoot at 200 meters? And for what, for proteins ?? Did you understand that you froze? 5,45 automatic caliber melee. For hunting, 7,62 are needed, no less, and this is practically the standard.
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 2 November 2015 19: 01 New
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          Saiga at 5,45 ??? Shoot at 200 meters? And for what, for proteins ?? Did you understand that you froze? 5,45 automatic caliber melee. For hunting, 7,62 are needed, no less, and this is practically the standard.

          Question! Who is the "hunter" going to hunt with 5,45?
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 2 November 2015 19: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: Prapor-527
            Question! Who is the "hunter" going to hunt with 5,45?

            Here I have the same question, by the fact that I myself am a hunter request Shoot bottles on a picnic, nothing else request
            7,62 is needed, and it is suitable for hunting the majority of the beast, although the bear is not enough.
            1. Prapor-527
              Prapor-527 2 November 2015 21: 05 New
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              Quote: GSH-18
              Now I have the same question, because I myself am a Toka hunter to shoot bottles at a picnic, nothing more
              7,62 is needed, and it is suitable for hunting the majority of the beast, although the bear is not enough.

              When hunting, it is important to hit the target from the first shot (which the bullet of the low-pulse cartridge 5,45 cannot provide) The cartridge 5,45x39 is useful for increasing ammunition, i.e. in the army, since it’s compact and light ... On a hunt, a heavy bullet is better, because it behaves stably in flight, and it is more likely to hit a beast ...
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 2 November 2015 23: 11 New
                0
                read for yourself what you wrote, then google, in the answer afterwards to yourself! I can upload links, but most likely you do not need them ......
            2. dr.star75
              dr.star75 2 November 2015 21: 38 New
              0
              Well, for starters: 7.62 in which cartridge? and for which most hunting is suitable?
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 2 November 2015 19: 34 New
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          fool wassat Well, saiga 223rem at 200m may not be the best option, but a boar ??? I beg you ... but don’t tell me the melee range? I’ve already unsubscribed to calibers and objects of hunting, if you’re interested, read it.
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 2 November 2015 19: 08 New
        0
        For the same purposes as the saiga or boar or tiger in calibers: 7.62x39; 7.62x51; 7.62x54; or even 7.62x63. For hunting! Each cartridge is used for a certain type of game and for a certain range of fire. but about the use of an army cartridge similar in parameters to a hunting one, I’ll say right away that it’s either bikes, or fool
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 2 November 2015 19: 12 New
          0
          Quote: dr.star75
          For the same purposes as the saiga or boar or tiger in calibers: 7.62x39; 7.62x51; 7.62x54; or even 7.62x63. For hunting! Each cartridge is used for a certain type of game and for a certain range of fire. but about the use of an army cartridge similar in parameters to a hunting one, I’ll say right away that it’s either bikes, or

          And who are you going to hunt with the 5,45x39 cartridge?
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 2 November 2015 19: 25 New
            +1
            The 5.45x39 cartridge was created in response to NATO 5.6, which, in turn, was distinguished by good flatness. at a distance of 200m, the drop was 5cm. Therefore, it preys on large birds and small game - at a distance of 200m it’s the most. although in fairness it can be said that NATO’s perseverance is better.
      3. SMikhalych
        SMikhalych 2 November 2015 22: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Prapor-527
        For what purpose do you need a Saiga 5,45?

        Dream fist laughing
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 2 November 2015 22: 41 New
          0
          dream fist toz 106
    2. FIREMAN
      FIREMAN 2 November 2015 18: 39 New
      +1
      Probably because our thrifty citizens of Kalash under the roof also have a legal sale of 5,45x39 rounds to Saiga, even with a shell bullet and slightly different ballistics, they will allow some of their reserves to be stored for use in Kalash, hidden for a rainy day.
      And this holds back - how do you think there are a lot of such hidden trunks among relatively prosperous citizens, but among criminal elements? Probably a lot.
      To remake the trigger in Saiga, you can try, but the point is to get a quick-firing barrel. Prior to the first sensible policeman who sends him to the expert for research, he will write that the design has been amended and you will have 222 CC making, carrying firearms with a fire mode not provided for by the design. If there is not enough thrill with the law enforcement and judicial systems - please everyone's personal business.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 2 November 2015 18: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: FIREMAN
        Probably because our thrifty citizens of Kalash under the roof also have a legal sale of 5,45x39 rounds to Saiga, even with a shell bullet and slightly different ballistics, they will allow some of their reserves to be stored for use in Kalash, hidden for a rainy day.

        not, rather AKM, etc. under 7,62x39 ... soldier
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 2 November 2015 19: 05 New
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          And there is such a thing - who when did he count it? Here the conversation is more about 5,45x39 cartridge exclusively army, in no case not hunting. And letting the gross army cartridge go into free sale (even with a bullet without a steel core) is somehow reckless.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 2 November 2015 22: 28 New
            0
            fool and where do we have the Kalash for surrender? And the ammunition in the load?
  5. Massik
    Massik 2 November 2015 18: 41 New
    +1
    on standard military and civilian weapons, the possibility of using elements such as the NATO standard telescopic butt, ergonomic pistol grip, receiver cover with Picatinny rail, handguard allowing the installation of a laser pointer, flashlight, additional handle or bipods is clearly shown
    They probably asked for a price for this “visual” opportunity ... When will they start to do something different from AK? He’s already 100 years old at lunch, it’s like they’ve been transferred to the market from socialism for 30 years, and there hasn’t been anything like the Americans in our “shooter”.
  6. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 2 November 2015 18: 43 New
    +5
    Quote: FIREMAN
    Do you think there are a lot of such hidden trunks among relatively prosperous citizens, but among criminal elements? Probably a lot.

    As a pensioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I can say decently ...
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 2 November 2015 19: 51 New
      0
      Probably only at pensioners of the Department of Internal Affairs?
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 2 November 2015 20: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: dr.star75
        Probably only at pensioners of the Department of Internal Affairs?

        Don’t freak out already ... hi
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 2 November 2015 21: 32 New
          0
          hi I am calm as a boa constrictor.
  7. prostofily
    prostofily 2 November 2015 18: 43 New
    0
    Well, at least shoot-7.62
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  9. roskot
    roskot 2 November 2015 18: 49 New
    0
    Is Thailand also arming itself? Bye on the elephants in the jungle?
  10. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 2 November 2015 18: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: GSH-18
    Saiga at 5,45 ??? Shoot at 200 meters? And for what, for proteins ?? Did you understand that you froze? 5,45 automatic caliber melee. For hunting, 7,62 are needed, no less, and this is practically the standard.

    And the people are urging the Saigu in caliber 5,45 ... Why?
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 2 November 2015 19: 17 New
      -1
      I also can not understand there is 5.56 by 45 excellent cartridge.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 2 November 2015 21: 46 New
        -1
        if that is a NATO patron, but 5.45 is ours. support the domestic manufacturer!
  11. yumis1
    yumis1 2 November 2015 19: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: GSH-18

    Saiga at 5,45 ??? belay fool Shoot at 200 meters? And for what, for proteins ?? Did you understand that you froze? 5,45 automatic caliber melee. For hunting, 7,62 are needed, no less, and this is practically the standard.

    A roe deer, capercaillie all sorts of 100-200 meters, not !?
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 2 November 2015 19: 18 New
      +2
      Well, and you took a lot of squint at 200 meters rifled cartridge?
  12. Maksus
    Maksus 2 November 2015 19: 14 New
    0
    When the Kalashnikovs will be made normal BWW (silencers for a conventional cartridge and other stray, such as sensible collimator islands and optics of variable multiplicity) - then happiness will come.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 2 November 2015 22: 48 New
      0
      and what is the neck stump treated with?
  13. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 2 November 2015 19: 22 New
    0
    It would be interesting to shoot with AK 12 on a cartridge of 7.62 by 51, I'm sorry that not much is off topic
  14. nrex
    nrex 2 November 2015 19: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: GSH-18
    Quote: svp67
    And also the Russian side expressed its readiness to supply 5,56mm cartridges with a steel sleeve, so that all sorts of “M-ki” would be SUPPRESSED by them ...

    Well, no! The quality of our manufacturer is recognized in the global military community. Not for nothing, the States ordered in 12 from US TWO BILLIONS of cartridges of various calibers. And this happened after a test of cheap and "high-quality" Chinese cartridges! Here it is! soldier

    And in 2013, ISIS was officially formed. Do not find parallels? And where are these cartridges now?
    1. Massik
      Massik 2 November 2015 19: 41 New
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      Before the imposition of sanctions in the states, they fired our cartridges for nothing, look YouTube, there are several videos where all kinds of reviewers are lamented by the lack of a "Rus.patron".
  15. fest 1973
    fest 1973 2 November 2015 20: 21 New
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    Quote: marlin1203
    The day will come when the Pentagon will adopt the 5, 56 mm AK! laughing

    Of course, I do not call for anything, but the Germans in the Second World War actively used SCS and they were in their arsenal.
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 2 November 2015 20: 38 New
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      Quote: fest 1973
      Quote: marlin1203
      The day will come when the Pentagon will adopt the 5, 56 mm AK! laughing

      Of course, I do not call for anything, but the Germans in the Second World War actively used SCS and they were in their arsenal.

      Faq Are you in what toy did you see him? It is in current in 49-m adopted into service ......
    2. Altona
      Altona 2 November 2015 21: 58 New
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      Quote: fest 1973
      Of course, I do not call for anything, but the Germans in the Second World War actively used SCS and they were in their arsenal.

      --------------------
      AVT-40 (SVT) probably mean? Tokarev automatic rifle ...
  16. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 2 November 2015 20: 32 New
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    fixed
    Of course I do not call for anything, but the Germans in the Second World War actively used SCS and they were in their arsenal. [/ Quote]
    you drive ... SCS did not participate in the Second World War
  17. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 2 November 2015 20: 42 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Beautiful, but from the Akamoid family, I like Galil ACE more.

    Each sandpiper praises its swamp, but you must agree that AK is not only a Russian brand, but also a global one, by and large does not need advertising.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 2 November 2015 23: 02 New
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      Quote: Alget87
      Each sandpiper praises its swamp, but you must agree that AK is not only a Russian brand, but also a global one, by and large does not need advertising.

      At the moment, that region is lagging behind, and very much. Tai bought Tabory, Vietnam builds a factory for the production of Tavor and Galilee
  18. yumis1
    yumis1 2 November 2015 20: 46 New
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    Quote: Siberia 9444
    Well, and you took a lot of squint at 200 meters rifled cartridge?

    Yeah! No one. I have a Savan64 melcan, I take scars for 50-80. And a bunch of friends and acquaintances with .223. They take it, both at 100, and at 150, and at 200. If Bushnelovsky doesn’t cheat on my range finder.
  19. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 3 November 2015 00: 45 New
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    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Prapor-527
    AK-101, AK-102 chambered for 5,56mm ...

    Beautiful, but from the Akamoid family, I like Galil ACE more.

    You will certainly enjoy it.
  20. Mentat
    Mentat 3 November 2015 21: 30 New
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    Quote: roskot
    Is Thailand also arming itself? Bye on the elephants in the jungle?

    They have in the border areas a constant bouffant from Cambodia, artillery shootings and guerrilla groups in the jungle.