Kogalymavia spokesman: the cause of the crash could be a mechanical impact on the aircraft

Alexander Smirnov, Deputy General Director for Flight Operations of Kogalymavia Airlines, during a press conference announced that the company eliminated technical malfunction versions and pilot errors during the flight of Airbus A321 following the flight Sharm-al-Sheikh to St. Petersburg. Alexander Smirnov reports that during the crash the plane had an “uncontrolled flight”. At this time, the plane literally crumbled into parts.

According to the representative of the airline, the only reason for such behavior of the aircraft, in which the pilots did not even have time to give a distress signal, may be a "mechanical effect". Alexander Smirnov:

There is no such combination of system failures that could cause the plane to collapse in the air. Before the crash the liner had an uncontrolled flight. The only explainable cause may be a mechanical impact on the aircraft.

The official representative of the airline believes that at the time of the beginning of the fall of the airliner, the crew of the aircraft "completely lost performance." At the same time, Kogalymavia reports that the aircraft of their company now fly around the Sinai Peninsula on the way to Turkey and back.

Recall that the victims of the wreck of the board, en route from Sharm al-Sheikh - St. Petersburg were 224 man. At the crash site found "black boxes", which are in satisfactory condition. In the near future will begin their decoding.

Comments

[Sasha 19871987]

if someone banged ... then who this or that is very indescribable !!! then heads will definitely fly off your shoulders ... we are waiting for the conclusions of experts ...

[mQn]

First, the black boxes need to be decrypted, and then say something ....

[kil 31]

Quote: mQn

First, the black boxes need to be decrypted, and then say something ....

If the pilots died immediately, the boxes will not show anything interesting. They will only show that this system worked, this did not work. Only the debris collected can be shown in connection with what at that moment the necessary systems did not work. The wreckage checked for everything, from external influences, internal or just technical will show. This is important.

[_Vladislav_]

I think it is premature since, if there is a mechanical effect, then it is either:
1. A terrorist attack is an explosion from the inside, and therefore a person with an explosive device was allowed on board (or he was somehow able to deliver it on board). There are already questions to the security service of the airport in Egypt.

2. Interception of missiles - after takeoff, the plane managed to gain a height of about 10. MANPADS do not work that far, which means that this is air defense of an average hand. Most likely some kind of old Soviet system. The Egyptian authorities claim that the militants in the area do not have such air defense systems, which means:
A) They do not own information
B) Either they’ve been simply protonated, since the activity of such complexes is detected by two times by modern radar reconnaissance systems.
C) Or the militants had air defense of a modern level - which is generally considered impossible.

In any case, the data from the black boxes will give an objective assessment. P.t. if it’s a terrorist attack, then logically, whatever group (such as al-Nusra) should already have declared a successful campaign against the infidels. But they are silent.

[Truth]

A terrorist attack is an explosion inside, and therefore a person with an explosive device was allowed to board (or somehow he was able to deliver it on board). There are already questions to the airport security service in Egypt.

But this is just how very likely it can be.
Everyone knows how passengers and luggage are shumont when boarding.
But who prevents the airfield service staff, the same baggage loader, from running the "infernal machine" along with the passengers' clothes?
Naturally, this populator is here to go - performers and witnesses, for some reason they interfere with everyone.

So, let them look for which of those servicing this flight has disappeared or somewhere will find his dead carcass.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Truth

But who prevents the airfield service staff, the same baggage loader, from running the "infernal machine" along with the passengers' clothes?

Well, yes, nevertheless, the version about the "hellish car" or a malfunction, engine fire, explosion is closer to me.
But not in favor of the latter option, the first data from the flight recorders "the crashed A321 aircraft did not give an SOS signal until it hit the ground." That is, the crew was incapacitated, all at once.

But the version of the terrorist attack, as a rule, is not immediately taken for the main one, since the probability of its confirmation makes the sending party the culprit of what happened, they did not overlook or overlooked.

The version with SAMs is a weak version. The plane crashes 100% but this is preceded by a very huge preparation and informatization. Remember how the Malaysian Boeing was shot down over Ukraine. It was led by air traffic controllers, asked to drop to a certain height, it was targeted by several BUK complexes, the activity of which was recorded by means of objective control of the RF Armed Forces.

[Truth]

Quote: _Vladislav_

They didn’t overlook, they didn’t overlook.

During preparation for departure, a sufficient number of different specialists shy away from the plane, and leave in the cockpit something like a sentry "flap gun", for example, with nerve gas ...
After all, the same option?
I know of not such possible options.
Just once serving in the SA, I was trained in a lot of nasty things to work behind enemy lines.

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: Truth

During preparation for departure, a sufficient number of different specialists shy away from the plane, and leave in the cockpit something like a sentry "flap gun", for example, with nerve gas ...
After all, the same option?

from a cracker the plane will not crumble in the air. information flashed that the body of one of the victims was found 8 km away. from the crash site of the airliner. if this is true, then the plane began to collapse even in the air.

[captain]

If you believe our experts, then 95% of all the downfalls, the human factor. I have never heard from airlines or friends and fellow pilots that there is a crew fault. No need to draw conclusions ahead of time.

[samoletil18]

About four years ago, in the sterile zone of this airport, "hashish" offered me to purchase a local security.

[Nekarmadlen]

Baggage inspection in Egypt (which is Sharm and Hurghada) is not so tough ... They mostly look for corals in their luggage and hand luggage (they say that the fine for the export of corals is 1000 dollars), and the rest is not very interesting for them .. Although, somehow, friends drove corals wrapped in foil ... It happened, many times they brought beer, juice and water from the hotel into the hand luggage, although according to aviation safety standards it is forbidden to take liquids on board (except for those bought in duty duty - free) !!!! Most Egyptians are not reliable ...

[Nikolay K]

Just the militants of Ansar Beit al-Makdis, members of ISIS, immediately stated that this was their doing. Ours have not yet confirmed.

[_Vladislav_]

Quote: Nikolai K

Just the militants of Ansar Beit al-Makdis, members of ISIS, immediately stated that this was their doing. Ours have not yet confirmed.

Clear.
And they said how they managed to achieve this?

[Nikolay K]

No. They just took responsibility. From which we can conclude that either they are bluffing, or they staged a terrorist attack in a "non-standard" way, and do not want to shine on the details and substitute the performers.

[Bort radist]

Quote: _Vladislav_

There are already questions to the airport security service in Egypt.

A week ago, remember? In Turkey, our people insisted to check the plane, since two strangers got out of the cabin before boarding. They said they had confused the flight !!!?, The flight attendants began to check the shelves in search of forgotten luggage. The passengers insisted on a search, and they complied with reluctance. The salon was checked by one person (!) The initiative group was not allowed on the flight. "The captain of the crew does not want to fly with you!" I immediately remembered this episode.

[jjj]

Quote: _Vladislav_

I think it is premature since, if there is a mechanical effect, then it is either:
1. A terrorist attack is an explosion from the inside, and therefore a person with an explosive device was allowed on board (or he was somehow able to deliver it on board). There are already questions to the security service of the airport in Egypt.

A couple of weeks ago, IGO stated that it was introducing its people into the maintenance of airfields for terrorist attacks. And then, as if ordered by Satanic Halloween, Orthodox blood was shed

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: _Vladislav_

In any case, the data from the black boxes will give an objective assessment. P.t. if it’s a terrorist attack, then logically, whatever group (such as al-Nusra) should already have declared a successful campaign against the infidels. But they are silent.

Today about al-Nusru already wrote http://topwar.ru/85483-zaharova-kakie-formirovaniya-v-sirii-yavlyayutsya-terrori
sticheskimi-a-kakie-oppozicionnymi-budut-reshat-eksperty.html # comment-id-5167846

Yesterday they said on television in the news that the Al-Nusra Front declared its withdrawal from ISIS (well, or something like that) and the transition to the banner of moderate opposition.

I don’t know, really, no? In the news they said ... Not anyhow where - on the First, in my opinion.

And more

Quote: _Vladislav_

2. Interception of missiles - after takeoff, the plane managed to gain a height of about 10. MANPADS do not work that far, which means that this is air defense of an average hand. Most likely some kind of old Soviet system.

This morning in the news I heard that one of the bearded took responsibility. I don’t know what to think - they either boast of it in vain, or zhurnalyugi inflate a fake sensation ... The stuffing, probably ...

[saber]

and if the software (American) suddenly gave a command for a very sharp maneuver, which ended with the loss of consciousness of the crew and the destruction of the aircraft? Well, in terms of versions ...

[Per se.]

Quote: _Vladislav_

C) Or the militants had air defense of a modern level - which is generally considered impossible.

For example, a combat laser, only, do the militants ...

[proletarian]

So already on the first day they claimed, though without any confirmation.

[mQn]

Quote: keel 31

what do you say? Maybe for you personally the boxes will not show anything interesting, for competent people, this is food for analyzing and displaying the main version of the reason for the tragedy.

what do you say? Maybe for you personally the boxes will not show anything interesting, for competent people, this is food for analyzing and displaying the main version of the reason for the tragedy.

[kil 31]

Quote: mQn

Quote: keel 31

what do you say? Maybe for you personally the boxes will not show anything interesting, for competent people, this is food for analyzing and displaying the main version of the reason for the tragedy.

what do you say? Maybe for you personally the boxes will not show anything interesting, for competent people, this is food for analyzing and displaying the main version of the reason for the tragedy.

I say that the boxes will show the failure of a system. If the pilots died immediately audio from the cockpit, we will not hear anything, if we do not immediately hear the conversation, this or that system does not work. Only after a full examination of the debris will it be possible to understand. You don’t think that they will talk to each other: a missile of such a system then hit the left engine and also defeated the fuselage in that place or in the luggage compartment an improvised 5 kg TNT equivalent exploded. They don’t know where, they know one thing from the sensors, these or those systems refused.

[jjj]

Sound is constantly being written in the cockpit. You can hear how the engines work, what rustling, tapping, rustling

[dauria]

If the pilots died immediately, the boxes will not show anything interesting

Nonsense, negotiations - a scanty part of the recorded information, and we have different "boxes" - MC61 and SARPP-12. For example, the helicopter will save altitude, speed, step, revolutions, pitch, roll, one-time sensor commands. But speech is very often not restored - the wire burned out. The boxes will allow you to restore the picture, even if the crew was not in the cockpit.

[Baloo]

First, the black boxes need to be decrypted, and then say something ....
And conduct a forensic medical examination tel.
The plane could collapse from overloads. I do not believe that such a colossus could plan with the engines turned off and make an emergency landing.
A couple of years ago, I don’t remember what story I saw on the airbus landing on TV. After touching the strip, the entire body began to bend like a sausage in a wave. Wings didn’t just fold into a tube. it is not surprising, in the pursuit of weight loss, modern technologies have been applied, but they do not provide sufficient rigidity. I saw on TV a reset. Fuselage sections of 5-6 meters long are connected with glue and bolts.
We need a new security standard proposed in the Soviet Union. Camera on Coca (top view) Camera on the nose below (bottom plan) Camera in the cockpit and salons. On-line telemetry to the ground throughout the flight, either to the company’s office or the regional traffic safety center.
Although I have no relation to aviation and this is a subjective opinion.

[lis-ik]

How do you explain the almost instantaneous loss of speed? Definitely either internal or external impact.

[Baloo]

Nobody argues with this. Too little information to be able to specifically discuss anything

[Cube123]

Quote: lis-ik

How do you explain the almost instantaneous loss of speed? Definitely either internal or external impact.

This is easy to explain. The tail lies 5 km from the fuselage. Means fell off in the air. If it fell off at flight level, then the plane immediately lost its stabilizers. Therefore, it should begin to "twist" like maple seeds. This is an instant loss of speed. The only question is: what caused the tail to come off?

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: lis-ik

How do you explain the almost instantaneous loss of speed? Definitely either internal or external impact.

Destruction of an airplane in the air. This side had a landing with the tail touching the runway. In aviation, any nick on loaded parts and assemblies can lead to their destruction in flight.

[Baloo]

Or failure from "fatigue" deformations, although unlikely. Judging by the video on the internet, the explosion was nevertheless closer to the tail section just behind the center section.

[figwam]

Baloo (8) SU Today, 14:28
I do not believe that such a colossus could plan with the engines turned off and make an emergency landing.

In 2009, the A-320 sat on the Hudson River, with idle engines, all remained alive.

[Baloo]

In 2009, the A-320 sat on the Hudson River, with idle engines, all remained alive.
From what height? Over which terrain? In the blue mountains and ravines, i.e. swings of ascending and descending flows. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Petrix]

Quote: Balu

In the blue mountains and ravines, i.e. swings of ascending and descending flows.

Look at the footage from the crash - a flat desert. You can probably get a tail with no engines without engines.

[aleks 62 next]

..... After touching the strip, the entire body began to bend like a sausage in a wave. Wings didn’t just fold into a tube. it is not surprising, in the pursuit of weight loss, modern technologies have been applied, but they do not provide sufficient rigidity .....


.... Nothing surprising and scary .... These are the so-called elastic deformations (like a spring) .... You will not be surprised that the tanks are "spinning" .... The truth is not so noticeable .... Rigidity and durability is not the same ... It's an airplane ... It must fly ...

[Baloo]

These are the so-called elastic strains.
And then there are fatigue deformations and subsequent fractures. This airplane had an "injury" in the rear of the hull.
The bones of the skeleton are also elastic. Military and sports doctors, choreographers and trainers are familiar with the concept of "Marching fractures" (Deutschlander) among recruits, dancers, athletes.

[Mik-51]

Quote: Balu

First, the black boxes need to be decrypted, and then say something ....

So I had to fly and be a member of the accident investigation commissions.
One of the so-called black boxes - in simple terms - is a tape recorder. And to "decipher" its contents, you just need to listen to what is written there.
Let me say that it took us hours, not weeks or months.
Moreover, - recorders, judging by their appearance, are completely intact, not distorted and not burnt.
Next:
Speed ​​at an altitude of more than 10m fell almost instantly from 000km / h to 748 !!!
No engine failures, even - both of them at once, can give such an effect, plus - the expansion of the debris by 5-8 km will clearly mean that the plane began to fall apart in the air.
I really do not like it when they invent versions that are absolutely not suitable in these particular conditions.
What they just do not weave: the engines, and the lower part of the tail that was once damaged during landing, and the actions of the crew (and this is the favorite version during the investigations - the crew died, we put everything down on them).
Here is my opinion: definitely - a terrorist attack.
let's see what the investigations come to.
And yet - the SPU / radio button, on the civilian sides is on the handles of the helms, and that prevented two experienced pilots from pressing this button and screaming at least something for the ground services, says only one thing - THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO IT!

[Bekas1967]

You are right .... It annoys you that objective data from the flight recorders does not give objective data. Just post a record and there will be no speculation. And then there are so many speculations of absurdity. When the board fell in Kazan, the truth was not told, and the son of the hands was sitting in the cabin. Tatarstan. He killed people.

[Baloo]

When the board fell in Kazan, the truth was not told, and the son of the hands was sitting in the cabin. Tatarstan. He killed people.

Lies, rumors. I live on Victory Avenue on the 11th floor. At that moment he went to the window. I heard how strange the engines worked, with a rattle and uneven. When a gearbox is grinding off a power tool, something like this. About such a rude sound. then the motors and the explosion roared. The truth is that the airplane should have been written off a year earlier. Another truth, those who flew the previous flight also had unforgettable impressions of the flight, read the comments. Weak version associated with the chief of the FSB in the RT. who was returning from Moscow on the same flight. The crew did not have enough height and power of the engines. They did not in vain request the second round.
Let's wait for the official investigation data.

[Baloo]

Minus set in vain. From my window you can see the Volga along its entire length along Kazan, the opposite coast, in good weather you can see the bridge across the Volga above Kazan, at night the airport lights. If the wind from that side is heard as planes take off and land. Documents from pilots are not entirely eligible, yes.
And the fact that the crew during landing allowed outsiders to be in the cockpit, I do not believe.

[Garris199]

Quote: mik-51

Definitely a terrorist attack.

If this is so, then this version will be very unprofitable for the Egyptian authorities, because then the lion's part of the guilt will be theirs. That there is no security at the airports, the work of special services too. Tourists can wave a pen. And together.

[Vend]

Quote: Sasha 19871987

if someone banged ... then who this or that is very indescribable !!! then heads will definitely fly off your shoulders ...

So far no one has claimed this responsibility. Maybe something happened in the cabin. We will find out soon

[Vitaly Anisimov]

If the attack, then there will be no mercy ....

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Do you personally go to hell?

[soviet skytourist]

If the attack, then there will be no mercy ....

We recall Kursk — it seemed to have drowned, and here the Russian airliner itself fell ... Sky News: Putin is not speaking out of a plane crash - that means it’s serious

Original news from InoTV:
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2015-11-02/Sky-News-Putin-ne-vistupaet
.https: //russian.rt.com/inotv/2015-11-02/Sky-News-Putin-ne-vistupaet One of Russia's Doomsday planes was seen flying in circles over part of Russia for more than 6 hours today. of the incident with the Russian passenger plane.

[Dr. Livesey]

Quote: Wend

Quote: Sasha 19871987

if someone banged ... then who this or that is very indescribable !!! then heads will definitely fly off your shoulders ...

So far no one has claimed this responsibility. Maybe something happened in the cabin. We will find out soon

ISIS, it seems, stated that their dirty hands.

[soviet skytourist]

ISIS, it seems, stated that their dirty hands.

and how they shot down, from a slingshot ....... and then posted a fake video. Regarding the experts what they say, he fell.

[venaya]

Quote: Wend

Maybe something happened in the cabin. We will find out soon

The interior is not very similar. Here's something with the control systems, and especially near the engine, it’s more possible here, based on the last minute flight path.

[Good me]

Quote: Wend

no one took this responsibility. Maybe something happened in the cabin. We will find out soon

"Something in the cabin" that can lead to the destruction of the aircraft in the air is nothing more than an explosion.

And if everything was so (fell apart in the air), then this is TERRAKT.

The responsibility for which lies entirely with the security service of the departure airport ...

But about this, carefully, as about the version, the assumption.

We are waiting for objective data. Including, from chemists and explosion engineers.

[Parvulus]

the version of a collision with a drone may well be considered - the area is very suitable: for Americans, for Israelis and for Saudis

[subbtin.725]

Why let the "bubbles" go ahead of time. The investigation will show.

[DenZ]

Interesting version! However, I think that fortune-telling on coffee grounds should not be. This activity is not grateful (this is me in general). We will wait for the results of the investigation. I have no doubt that ours will thoroughly understand everything there and draw the right conclusions.

[Cube123]

Quote: Parvulus

the version of a collision with a drone may well be considered - the area is very suitable: for Americans, for Israelis and for Saudis

In this case, the wreckage of the drone should be found. He will not survive such a collision. But they should be somewhere on the sidelines.

[nazar_0753]

do you think the airline can admit that it is not serious about maintenance and missed serious technical malfunctions?

[SRC P-15]

Kogalym (Khant. Kogolym is a black spot)
Has anyone wondered what this word means before naming an airline like that? I am afraid that after learning about the true interpretation of this word, hardly anyone began to use her services. And simply by rearranging the letters in the name of the airline, instead of "Kogalymavia", we get "Kolymagavia" - which also does not add any advantages to it.

[Volodin]

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Kogalym (Khant. Kogolym is a black spot)

But 62 thousand people live in this "pernicious place" (in the city). Do you propose to relocate them or rename the city?

[andj61]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Kogalym (Khant. Kogolym is a black spot)

But 62 thousand people live in this "pernicious place" (in the city). Do you propose to relocate them or rename the city?

Rename is also an option. There was the city of Akmola (white grave) in Kazakhstan (after Akmolinsk and Tselinograd), it was decided that the name was unsound and not suitable for the capital. We decided to rename the capital into the capital in Kazakh - now it is Astana.
But there is another version about Kogalym - the name from the Khanty kokh, kog “long, long” and aling “beginning”, which can be understood as a long source of the river. Although the latest version looks like an attempt by the local population to refine the name of their small homeland.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Volodin

But 62 thousand people live in this "pernicious place" (in the city). Do you propose to relocate them or rename the city?

A city is a city - it stands on the ground, and airline planes fly. There is also such a saying: "As you name the ship, so it will float." And so far "Kogalymavia" confirms this fact with aircraft accidents.
And I say again that if people flying by this airline knew the meaning of the word "Kogolym", then they would hardly use the services of this company, unless only from despair and lack of another carrier.

[Vadim237]

The plane could collide with a drone.

[Nikolay K]

yeah, at an altitude of 10000 m. And also with a flock of geese. . .

[Decathlon]

By the way: "Mountain geese (Eulabeia indica) are considered the highest flying geese, the usual height of which is 1000-5000 m, but there are cases when these geese were recorded at an altitude of 10175 m."

[Bort radist]

Quote: Decathlon

but there are cases when these geese were recorded at an altitude of 10175 m. "

I watched at 20000 meters on the frontal some bugs were breaking, one, after five minutes the second. Like paintball.

[Bort radist]

Guys extra zero drew 2 t. M.

[Baloo]

So these aliens were, only very small.

[Baloo]

yeah, at an altitude of 10000 m. And also with a flock of geese. . .
... and with a shaitan or an alien ...?

[kil 31]

Quote: Balu

yeah, at an altitude of 10000 m. And also with a flock of geese. . .
... and with a shaitan or an alien ...?

So what. Polar geese fly 10000 m. Look at the photo how aggressive. He could scratch the plane with his red paws.

[Parvulus]

for example, the MQ-9 Reaper has a practical ceiling of 13000m. This is not SUIT.

[Vadim237]

Even as he could, there is a combat zone, there are drones that fly at an altitude of 30000 meters.

[Altona]

Quote: sasha 19871987

if someone banged ..

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Than? What is it that can so precisely get to such a high echelon? And how was it induced? Were there powerful radars that sent a "projectile" to the aircraft?

[redeemer]

I wonder why here they used the photo from the Kiev Embassy of the Russian Federation ???
but on the topic, annoying that again not a plane, but spare parts. in order for the plane to break up into many pieces (into two three more possible), you need a combination of very fantastic factors. I don’t even talk about Boeing in the Donbass - everything is clear: the transporter flew, and dropped the spare parts for corpses and a couple of high-explosive bombs (it’s not for nothing that Sharya has a scan clip on this topic) ... but this is what we actually find ourselves in such a stories, it is annoying.
and more: how will this card be played? Boeing is clear: sanctions were immediately imposed on the scammers. and here, after we practically blocked the channel for transporting stolen oil products through the territory of Syria, here in Egypt, which suddenly became rich for some reason (we should not forget that there was a full-fledged civil war there recently), which has a Suez canal, falls into pieces in the air and for a strange reason burning even on the ground, our passenger plane ... and with black boxes again say that they will decrypt no earlier than in a month. and more recently, the black boxes of a crashed plane (not to remind which one) were decrypted almost the next day ....

[your1970]

in general, there were several tens of tons of kerosene, but it burns ... if that ...

[python2a]

Again snot live and swallow.

[Bombardier]

And who doubted? From the very beginning it was clear - a terrorist attack. Everything speaks for it.
But voiced by those. malfunction - there are many reasons for this - both internal and external.
recognize this as a terrorist attack - I think that this is the reason for the crash!

And if you recall the words of the Pentagon general - about the falling Russian planes ...

[Proxima]

Judging by the large spread of fragments of the aircraft, it fell apart in the air. This speaks only about one thing - a terrorist attack.

[DenZ]

And with a flat corkscrew from a height of 10 km, the plane will not fall apart? Very easy!

[Proxima]

Why did you get that at an altitude of 10000 m the plane went into a flat corkscrew?

[Altona]

Quote: Proxima

Why did you get that at an altitude of 10000 m the plane went into a flat corkscrew?

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A thunderous front that disrupted control ...

[Baloo]

There was no storm front, clear sky.

[aleks 62 next]

.... Why did you get that at an altitude of 10000 m the plane went into a flat corkscrew? ...

.. The vertical speed was small .... According to the info shown on TV yesterday - 2000m lost in 1 minute, and this is about 35m / sec .... It is not likely to dive ... And the speed recorded is about 175 km / h .. ..Therefore, the colleague made such conclusions ... Yes, and you can enter the corkscrew at any height and speed (even at supersonic) ....

[DenZ]

Regarding the presence of a flat corkscrew, an assumption (which has not yet been refuted) .Not more.

[DenZ]

Regarding the presence of a flat corkscrew, an assumption (which has not yet been refuted) .Not more.

[aleks 62 next]

..... And with a flat corkscrew from an Altitude of 10 km, the plane will not fall apart? Very easy! ...

... Not a fact .... Flight Anapa - Peter near Donetsk in 2006. it was just in a flat corkscrew it was .... It fell from the echelon for almost 5 minutes (vertical speed of about 30m / sec) .... It collapsed from an impact on the ground ...

[jjj]

Airbuses bursting in the air. Enough holes in the board at altitude. Or during a dive, the planes fall off very quickly, and then tears off the skin from the set of the case and there is a destruction into separate parts

[Mic1969]

Once on TV there was a documentary series about air crashes. So there they showed how the plane fell apart after a cargo hatch tore off of it in an oncoming stream. And in the late 80s (when I worked at an aircraft factory) somewhere in Central Asia, the IL-86 tore off a large sheet of skin, as I don’t know how it got on the plane.

[Baloo]

On TV, they showed 747, which had been torn off by a piece of casing somewhere 3x4m, a couple of passengers flew away with seats, the rest landed along with the plane.

[Petrix]

Quote: Mic1969

the plane crashed after a cargo hatch tore off its free stream

In general, the aircraft is sealed and at a height like an inflated ball. Therefore, depressurization can be explosive.

[Petrix]

Quote: Proxima

This speaks only about one thing - a terrorist attack.

Not so clear. They say the tail he was repaired, touched the runway. Perhaps it fell off. Found a tail far from the fall of the front.

[demo]

No doubt - only the Almighty.
We are just people.

The general meant something else.
He talked about military aircraft of the Russian Federation flying in Syria.
The general would not be informed about the impending attack.
And those who plan it and who commit it are not interested in excess advertising.

[resh]

Most likely the explosive device worked. Too abruptly everything happened. But then what about the rumors of an emergency landing request?

[james]

You said correctly: "By rumors"
And where is the official confirmation that such a request was?

[demo]

Boxes will answer all questions.
If not hurt.

[jjj]

Quote: resh

Most likely the explosive device worked. Everything happened too abruptly

And could a balloon or pipeline under high pressure explode

[Dr. Livesey]

The airline, of course, will try to shield itself, but the attack could also be. We will wait for the results of the investigation. Decoding black boxes, I hope, will clarify the situation.

[propolsky]

Of course, experts who have reliable information about the flight of the plane, but the version about the destruction of the plane, which explains the inability of the pilots to fight for the lives of people and the plane, the scatter of debris over a very large area, and the crash of the plane, should also say their word. not flying with decreasing and maintaining a given speed. Too bad people ...

[Bronik]

MANPADS at this altitude will not reach. Rather, sabotage.

[james]

and if MANPADS from a helicopter shoot or is it not possible?

[DenZ]

Aim through the blades? Think what you write.

[james]

And that the helicopter cannot tribute to the required side roll and it may not be located directly under the plane, but on the side.

[cyberspace]

Quote: james

and if MANPADS shoot from a helicopter

First, imagine a helicopter at an altitude of 7000 meters, which in itself is almost fantastic.

[james]

Well, what you attacked, I’m not a specialist and did not state, but asked.

[Wolka]

Is it really a terrorist attack, as ISIS and the other scum say ...

[horoh]

We are waiting for the results of the investigation, but it’s too early to draw any conclusions.

[Kyrgyz]

Could probably have collided with a UAV, but then there are fragments of a UAV, small ones do not fly at that height, I think the question will be hushed up in order to avoid escalating the conflict and spoiling the tourist image. The guilty party will quietly bear the costs of settling cases with the deceased and the owner of the side, and will officially come up with a crack in the structure.
But it seems to me that his recruited airport workers have mined.

[demo]

Not so long ago, Al Sisi sent the Muslim Brotherhood, who by the way won the presidential elections, sent them to the heavens.
Well, he didn’t 100% clean the garden from weeds.
Remained "people devoted to the cause."
And no need to recruit.
They themselves will offer their services.
Moreover, Egypt too quickly went to rapprochement with Russia.
But do Americans and Israelis need this?
This is not an ambiguous warning.

And to upset relations between Russia and Egypt - why not luck?

[Kyrgyz]

This is the logic of why, but how?

[karatau]

under Mursi, Russian planes crashed in Egypt ?! Sisi is a friend of Israel and he will cover up this operation, he does not even allow Palestinians to smuggle food

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Karatau

under Mursi, Russian planes crashed in Egypt ?! Sisi is a friend of Israel and he will cover up this operation, he does not even allow Palestinians to smuggle food

For anything, Israel has nothing to do with it.

[Million]

Now, apparently, they can’t agree on a version. Egypt may lose tourists from all over the world, and then its economy will end!

[lis-ik]

This is most likely the truth.

[Bekas1967]

Agree ((((!!! Policy to die !!!

[Engineer]

I will tell you this: if it were Iglovtsi or some other riffraff from the Syrian opposition, then there would already be loud enticements with threats that this is only the beginning and so it will be with everyone and so on. But everyone is silent. I will even say more - they are afraid that suspicion will fall on them because the punishment will be severe!

[DenZ]

ISIS has no time for terrorist attacks to save the 5th point. But our "probable partners" may come to mind.

[Stirbjorn]

So Isil has already attributed this plane to himself

[Mama_Cholli]

I heard such an assertion that pilots of military aircraft, when completing a mission, prefer to maintain a pressure of no more than 0.3 atm in pressurized cabins in order to get rid of light concussion during explosive depressurization and continue to operate the aircraft. Is it so?
And how can this be correlated with the last episode of the A321 flying to St. Petersburg? What pressure is maintained in the cockpit of a civilian aircraft? Do passengers have any chance to survive after an explosive depressurization of the passenger compartment, including after undermining the explosive charge inside or outside the side?
Specialists are waiting for an answer from you. Thanks in advance....

[Volodin]

In the cabin of a civilian liner, as well as, of course, in the cabin, the standard air pressure is maintained, i.e. 1 ATM You did not meet modern pilots of GA in helmets?

[Mama_Cholli]

Thank...
Something I sewn up. In this case, people (pilots and passengers) have no chance of surviving the explosive depressurization.

[aviator65]

In the cockpits of passenger aircraft, a pressure corresponding to approximately 4000-5000 m is maintained.This allows you to not overload the fuselage structure with an excessive margin of safety (the volume is large, and the difference between the outboard pressure and the pressure inside the fuselage is very decent), while you can breathe without oxygen devices.

Quote: Volodin

You have not met modern GA pilots in helmets?

When flying to altitudes of more than 12 thousand meters they are very much used, but in the Air Force.

[aleks 62 next]

.... In the cockpits of passenger aircraft, a pressure corresponding to approximately a height of 4000-5000 m is maintained. ...

.... In principle, everything is correct, but the height without oxygen devices in the GA is limited to 3600m (pressure inside the cabin) ..... At least it used to be ...

[jjj]

Quote: aviator65

In the cockpits of passenger aircraft, a pressure corresponding to approximately the height of 4000-5000 m is maintained

That is why when landing with passengers, especially children, they lay their ears. Personally, I - purged

[Bort radist]

Quote: aviator65

In the cockpits of passenger aircraft, a pressure corresponding to approximately a height of 4000-5000 m is maintained.

I was in a depressurized cabin at 5000m. It's hard to think there ........, even with oxygen. Something you beguiled. Ears blow on the decline tormented, whistled like a kettle.

[Volodin]

Quote: aviator65

at heights greater than 12 thousand. m is very much used, but in the Air Force.

The key word is "GA" (civil aviation), what has the Air Force to do with it?

[Cube123]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

What pressure is maintained in the cockpit of a civilian aircraft?

http://www.abok.ru/for_spec/articles.php?nid=3074
“For this reason, almost all commercial aircraft are pressurized to ensure the safety of the crew and passengers. The current aircraft cabin pressurization standard is defined in Section 25.841 of the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) of the FAA.
According to this standard, the pressure in the passenger compartment under normal operating conditions should not exceed the pressure at an altitude of 2 m. "
http://www.afromberg.narod.ru/geo_spravochnik_barom.htm
The answer is about 550 mmHg. for 2 450 m.

[aviator65]

Quote: Cube123

According to this standard, the pressure in the passenger compartment under normal operating conditions should not exceed the pressure at an altitude of 2 m. "

Chances are you are right. I could be mistaken with the numbers (unfortunately the memory fails a little), but the fact that the "height" in the cabin is definitely above ground level is a fact.
By the way, on domestic aircraft, pressure equalization during reduction occurs much smoother than on American, due to a different algorithm for the operation of equalizing valves. Therefore, on landing in Tu or Ilah you feel much more comfortable than on Boeing.

[Mountain shooter]

No guessing. We'll find out soon. The recorders are intact, which means we will find out everything in detail. And the wreckage in the desert will be collected to a screw. If there was an adversary, then it will manifest.

[chikenous59]

Do not go, children, to walk in Africa!
Rest at home, Crimea and Sochi are not nearly worse. Itself was convinced of it in the summer!

[Nikolay K]

I would generally prohibit all flights to Egypt until the circumstances are clarified. This will be a good incentive for the Egyptians to move faster in the investigation and put things in order with the safety of air communications.

[raid14]

According to the representative of the airline, the only reason for this behavior of the aircraft, in which the pilots did not even have time to give a distress signal, could be “mechanical impact”.

What, an explosion on board, defeat from MANPADS, air defense missile or "Air-to-Air"?
Without a detailed investigation of the wreckage and information from the "black boxes", these are at least empty statements.
The version of a possible engine (sabotage) malfunction previously mentioned in the media is no longer being considered?

[VNP1958PVN]

All the same, the trestles have avenged! But what? Not in vain Senya Yaytsenyuh recently announced that he will not report more about the sale of MANPADS! In 2008, Bandera shot down our planes with beeches in Georgia!

[Vadim237]

The version with MANPADS can be safely ruled out - the aircraft could not reach the altitude, the more the rocket would hit the engine, but the plane would continue to move in the second - this already happened, and the crew would have sent a SOS signal.

[V.ic]

The investigation will show, and the prosecutor will tell, only I'm afraid that processes not controlled by the Russian Federation have begun. Aircraft alone do not crash.

[Manager]

Believe it or not, my friend from Sheremetyevo Airport, who works there as an engineer, says that the car was corroded. Therefore, I do not think that Kagalym will now come up with anything, but we will not find out the truth.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

And then I thought the dense winged metal aluminum-duralumin - non-ferrous metal ... does not rust ... now I will know

[V.ic]

Quote: Manager

the car was corroded.

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

duralumin aluminum, non-ferrous metal ... does not rust ...

It does not rust, but corrodes, therefore, parts from D-16 are coated (galvanically) and only then painted.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

No, I'm in the know ....... just as a discharge

[vlad_m]

Oxidises and corrodes "how hello!" Aluminum is a very active metal. It is saved from corrosion by a thin oxide film on top of the metal itself, but if it is broken, mechanically or chemically, the metal instantly corrodes. If at the point of contact of two products, one of which is aluminum (duralumin), a mechanical effect occurs, for example, friction, oxide film and any other protective coating is constantly broken and the corrosion process goes deeper. At some point, it may "rust" through and through.
Of non-ferrous metals under atmospheric conditions, only "noble" metals are free from oxidation. Gold, palladium, platinum, etc.

[Manager]

Really dense. Corrosion and rust, 2 different things.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

De is not a difference ..... but one arising from another ...... One concept is simply wider than another .......

[demo]

Well, yes.
Straight layers on the skin.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

And then I thought the dense winged metal aluminum-duralumin - non-ferrous metal ... does not rust ... now I will know

Where did you study? Tech. Not studied?

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

Technician-technologist for metal processing ... first education ... Take off your diploma photo?

[Cook]

The pressure in the pressurized cabin of the aircraft is maintained in such a way that the pressure difference between the cabin and the outboard pressure is maintained at 0,5. Those. The "height" in the cockpit does not exceed 2,8 km. When the pressure in the cabin drops to values ​​corresponding to an altitude of 4 km, oxygen masks automatically drop out. The supercharged malfunction alarm begins to alert the crew in advance.

[Alksay]

Rumors of a crash landing request, if I'm not mistaken, came from the Egyptian side ..
It is extremely unprofitable for them now to admit that they allowed an explosive device to board the ship.
I hope the decryption of the black boxes will give an answer to this terrible tragedy.

[chikenous59]

Quote: Kyrgyz

Could probably have collided with a UAV, but then there are fragments of a UAV, small ones do not fly at that height, I think the question will be hushed up in order to avoid escalating the conflict and spoiling the tourist image. The guilty party will quietly bear the costs of settling cases with the deceased and the owner of the side, and will officially come up with a crack in the structure.
But it seems to me that his recruited airport workers have mined.

Maybe a pilot

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: chikenous59

Maybe a pilot

Yes, an explosion in the cockpit probably corresponds to the signs of a disaster, although the plane fell apart at an altitude and this would not have happened because of the explosion in the cockpit

[Mama_Cholli]

Maybe it’s time for aircraft designers to think about saving the crew and passengers in case of various types of accidents with civilian ships? Perhaps of course it will be expensive, but somehow I don’t want to be a hostage to a situation where nothing depends on you. In military aircraft there are catapults and parachutes for saving people, and in civil aviation, only belts (that would be like living sitting).
Is there really no system on presidential planes (we are not considering Poland) that can save the lives of the first persons of the states?

[Stirbjorn]

Do you offer a parachute forcibly for passengers and stewardesses? And then then you need to train to use it. We don’t know what happened there. If the explosion, then even wearing a parachute would not help IMHO.

[Mama_Cholli]

I offer a capsule or two for the crew and passengers on parachutes.
Let this lead to an increase in the cost of aircraft design, but the lives of people are worth it.
Perhaps it would help if the explosion was of a small capacity and not in the cabin, but in the luggage compartment, for example.
For example, if there was such an opportunity to choose to buy plane tickets equipped with a safety capsule and not. I think people would overpay 10-20 thousand rubles. for the safety of yourself and your children.

[andj61]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

I offer a capsule or two for the crew and passengers on parachutes.

Worked out and long ago refused. Over 95% of accidents occur during take-off and landing - here the capsule will not save. Yes, and the exit of the capsule from the aircraft body, the device of the parachute system, etc. They represent great complexity and do not differ in reliability. This is in addition to a significant rise in price. You can actually put small business planes on all kinds of airplanes, but there the percentage of accidents on takeoff and landing is even higher - it makes no sense.

[kil 31]

Something like this. Utopia is complete.

[Mama_Cholli]

No utopia. We are returning people from space, including in shuttles, and from some 10 km. we do not want.

[Baloo]

A patent has already been obtained for this utopia, and not one. As a child, he read in young technology.

[vladimirvn]

It looks like the tail section fell off first. Earlier it was reported that this aircraft had already received damage during landing, hitting the tail section on the runway .... "Sources in the Federal Air Transport Agency reported that the location of the bodies of the dead and the wreckage of the liner has already established an approximate picture of the liner crash. As LifeNews learned, the first victims the crash of the A321 became the passengers of the tail section of the liner.
After the tail section of the airbus fell off at an altitude of almost 9 thousand meters, some of the passengers fell out. Search parties found some of the bodies of the victims several kilometers from the crash site. "...
http://lifenews.ru/news/167710

[jjj]

They died almost simultaneously from the "boiling" of nitrogen in the blood

[Mama_Cholli]

Test pilot, Hero of the Russian Federation on this occasion said that this is complete nonsense.
(About explosive depressurization on the one where the liner was) A person can lose consciousness for only a few seconds, and not everyone. He also said that there were cases of this type of depressurization, when the Boeing was landing with a piece of torn skin 2X7 meters in size. At the same time, people were alive.

[Share]

But doesn’t pilots have a few tens of seconds to negotiate during depressurization? because they are sitting in a separate compartment, maybe depressurization is not so strong and will immediately affect them? It is very likely that the pilots did not somehow appear in the cockpit at the time of the loss of communication, or they were already incapacitated

[JonnyT]

you are naive people .... who will reveal the truth to you?
The terrorist attack is not beneficial for the authorities - after all, most of the society will demand bloody revenge on the organizers (and for this they will have to bomb the Saudis and the USA), and the other (small part) will withdraw troops and stop bombing ISIS (surrender to the USA).
Escalation for the Russian Federation is extremely unprofitable, it is beneficial to the United States !!!!
Therefore, there will be very quiet showdowns at the level of special services with liquidation and strange explosions.
The official version is a fall due to technical malfunctions.
It’s just snappy and the company of airline junk purchasing officials is trying to translate arrows, therefore it is throwing ambiguous statements into the network

[voyaka uh]

Could be a small bomb planted in a suitcase
any of the passengers.
Like it was in Loxbury. Enough holes in the skin - and
depressurization.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: voyaka uh

Could be a small bomb planted in a suitcase
any of the passengers.
Like it was in Loxbury. Enough holes in the skin - and
depressurization.

No, then the pilots would have time for communication, and an explosion in the luggage compartment is unlikely to destroy the aircraft so quickly.

[Mama_Cholli]

It depends on what charge they put in the suitcase. 1-2 kg. drafts and no meow pilot can tell.

[jjj]

Second matter. I remember showing the experiment. Sealed old passenger plane. They created inside such a pressure that would correspond to a real difference at a height And from inside they pierced the skin. As a result, a huge plating area was torn out. Summary - in reality, the plane is falling apart, people die instantly

[WUA 518]

Quote: jjj

I remember showing the experiment. Sealed old passenger plane

After a series of catastrophes of the "Kometa" aircraft, strength tests of the fuselage were carried out in order to find out the weak points.

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: chikenous59

Rest on the Motherland - Crimea and Sochi

Your words, yes to all of our ears!

[Prisoner]

These will say anything, I can even break about a collision with a flying saucer. It would be necessary to wait. Too many fortune-tellers and psychics in the distance. There are no facts on hand, but expert opinions are riveting, as they remove damage from a photo. Annoying. It’s necessary, it’s necessary to wait, not to dance on the bones

[Burbon1973]

This side damaged the tail section during the incident at the Cairo airport in 2001 (when landing, hitting the tail section when landing on the runway), when the Turks were still flying on it, the damage was significant! How the Turks fixed it is a big question! The tail section of the aircraft fell to the ground first, and therefore separated from the aircraft first, there are no signs of burning or explosion traces in the photo, the edges of the tail section are not bent! As a version of poor-quality repair, the rupture of an unrepaired crack in the last flight, this version is most afraid of the management of Kogalymavia, their fault will be, albeit indirect, but more than obvious! Buying a "broken" Airbus is of course tough! Hopefully after decoding the black boxes, it is possible and clear!

[Stirbjorn]

Well, as I understand it - this version is basic in essence now.

[Vadim237]

All the wreckage of the aircraft will be gathered together and then they will understand what happened.

[mpzss]

I am glad that there are a lot of experts on plane crashes among us, but perhaps we will stop "guessing on the coffee grounds" and wait for at least intermediate results, I hope they will appear within a week.

[Fantazer911]

There are so many versions for now, and there is no result, and it’s not worthwhile to take off such accounts as intentionally destroying an aircraft in order to get insurance for the aircraft, and this can be.

[Cook]

A very confident flight director excludes the possibility of a technical malfunction or crew error without waiting for any intelligible information. Too little data. The fact that the pilots didn’t go into external communications says anything, during the Tu-154 crash near Donetsk, a crew of five people fought for life for several minutes, the cry was scary in the cockpit, but no one got into the external communication. The same is the case with the downed Siberian Carcass, although the flight engineer was found in an oxygen mask, that is, he managed to put it on. And the A320 Armenian crew that fell into Sochi in the sea, did not transmit anything during the departure to the second round, and in Irkutsk the Vladivostok crew, and near Mezhdurechensk and Uch-Kuduk, land to them all in peace. Engine failure, this is not a special problem now, planes are designed so that when the engine is off during takeoff, the remaining engine's thrust is sufficient to continue takeoff and maintain a certain climb gradient. At the echelon, the required draft is much lower. Failure of two at once is certainly possible, but it is very unlikely. Yes, and the case of a successful non-motor landing of the A320 on the Hudson, suggests that there are options. A large raid and experience of the commander: this of course greatly reduces the likelihood of an error, but does not completely exclude it, he could even temporarily leave the workplace in the cockpit, for example, going to the toilet.

[Svetlana]

Quote: Vadim237

The plane could collide with a drone.

Why the pilots could not press the button of the radio transmitter - the plane could collide with the drone head-on ..

[Vadim237]

Why not - no matter what it is, it instantly destroyed the plane, then they will collect the destroyed fuselage in pieces then and find out whether the second plane was there or not.

[BOB044]

There is no such combination of system failures that could cause the plane to collapse in the air. Before the crash the liner had an uncontrolled flight. The only explainable cause may be a mechanical impact on the aircraft.

The experts will figure it out and say the result of the investigation. So, we will be patient and wait for the result.

[wild]

There is a version that they are Saudis with the Israeli air defense system. If this is so, Putin is obliged to punish the Saudis, moreover severely and in the most serious way.

[Cat man null]

Quote: wild

There is a version that they are Saudis with the Israeli air defense system

The second time in a day already ... colleagues, I believe in anything, but not in the alliance between Israel and Saudi.

They are too much .. different, to put it mildly .. believe me

PS: I was there and there, I saw and heard a lot))

[Alksay]

Quote: Cook

A very confident flight director excludes the possibility of a technical malfunction or crew error without waiting for any intelligible information. Too little data. The fact that the pilots didn’t go into external communications says anything, during the Tu-154 crash near Donetsk, a crew of five people fought for life for several minutes, the cry was scary in the cockpit, but no one got into the external communication. The same is the case with the downed Siberian Carcass, although the flight engineer was found in an oxygen mask, that is, he managed to put it on. And the A320 Armenian crew that fell into Sochi in the sea, did not transmit anything during the departure to the second round, and in Irkutsk the Vladivostok crew, and near Mezhdurechensk and Uch-Kuduk, land to them all in peace. Engine failure, this is not a special problem now, planes are designed so that when the engine is off during takeoff, the remaining engine's thrust is sufficient to continue takeoff and maintain a certain climb gradient. At the echelon, the required draft is much lower. Failure of two at once is certainly possible, but it is very unlikely. Yes, and the case of a successful non-motor landing of the A320 on the Hudson, suggests that there are options. A large raid and experience of the commander: this of course greatly reduces the likelihood of an error, but does not completely exclude it, he could even temporarily leave the workplace in the cockpit, for example, going to the toilet.

Not when climbing

[roskot]

How many people, so many opinions. We will wait for decryption and official answers. Unless, of course, they tell the truth.

[Cook]

Speed ​​800 does not happen in the process of climbing, but it happens when the train is already picked up, and then I did not claim that it was not in the cockpit.

[Share]

Anyway, friends’s tails just don’t fall off.

[RuslanNN]

My opinion is that company representatives want to blame everything on the attack. We will wait for the results of the decryption of the black boxes. At first they wrote that the crew had repeatedly complained about the plane, then, as if on command, they shut up and spoke in chorus about the attack.

[Cook]

They are now thrilled by everything from the prosecutor's office to the media, something needs to be answered. I’ll be silent before the publication of any intelligible data.

[uhu189]

I’m afraid that we won’t find out the truth. Because the truth may turn out to be such that her knowledge only makes the situation worse. There could be a technical malfunction, there could be a terrorist attack. But there could be a rocket, and not necessarily from the ground ...

[IAlex]

But you cannot wait for the conclusion of the commission before spoiling the air with all kinds of speculations ...

[prostofily]

Enough guys. Here on each channel a hundred times. Have a conscience. I'm sorry.

[iouris]

Comments from the operator - "Kogalymavia", the lessor, the manufacturer and the producing airport are not of interest at this stage of the investigation. Their business incurs costs.

[3vs]

Interestingly, condoms with explosives, which are against our planes, could not be brought there.
launched Igilov’s punks?
If such rubbish gets into the engine ...

[McLuha-MacLeod]

Very interesting version. I think, easily

[Vadim237]

From this, the plane will definitely not fall - it will continue to fly on the second engine, and the crew would give an SOS signal.

[31R-US]

Are there black boxes on submarines?

[31R-US]

Who knows, tell me, how long does it take to decrypt a box ??

[Svetlana]

An ice block could be dropped from a stealth drone in the opposite course. When it is fragmented, a field of fragments could be formed flying at supersonic relative speed to the cockpit of the aircraft. This field of fragments could penetrate the cockpit in many places. After that, the ice fragments could melt and evaporate.

[t shurik]

if there was a terrorist act, no one will know what a blow to the tour industry, it’s easier to blame everything on a malfunction or pilot error

[Vadim237]

The investigation of the accident is under special control, so the rescue of some small tour companies here does not count.

[lecturer]

I heard somewhere, in some news, that this plane survived an impact during takeoff with the aft fuselage (!)... But these are all “rumors”... for now!

[rotfuks]

Kagalymavia talks about the external impact on the airliner. This is what it looks like. A certain force acted on the liner and its tail fell off. Passengers with chairs were thrown into the gap like a vacuum cleaner. Therefore, passengers are found 5 km from the crash site. With such an explosive depressurization, everyone died instantly. The plane without a tail instantly lost speed and began to spin chaotically and fall apart. Who could externally influence the gna liner? For example, a military aircraft that overtook a plane at supersonic speed. Why didn't the military plane show up on the controllers' radar? But because the plane was military and built using stells technology. Whose plane was it, you ask? There are few countries in our country that have aircraft with such technology.

[Vadim237]

With the tail torn off, the plane could still fly for some time, during which time the pilots would have had time to send an SOS signal.

[Sukharev]

The pilots were silent, as in the case of the Boeing over Ukraine?

[AndreyVH]

Pulled a comment from one blog.

“I quote the description of the incident: “The plane received a “tail strike” - tailstrike - (tailstrike). " A tailstrike is an impact with the tail of the plane on the runway. Apparently, the plane underwent repairs after this incident. Repairs in such cases are considered difficult and expensive operation.

There are at least two confirmed cases in which improper repair of such damage led to the subsequent destruction of the aircraft in the air:
Japan Airlines Flight 123 - 12 August 1985 (520 dead);
China Airlines Flight 611 - 2002 year (224 dead).

I emphasize: in the above-mentioned disasters, investigators came to the final conclusion that an improperly repaired Tailstrike was the cause of the disaster."

A sudden depressurization of the cabin could have caused the destruction of an airframe that already had defects - yes, it could.

[nail]

If you have airborne and MANPADS, then the rest is a matter of technology.

[Vadim237]

You can forget about MANPADS.

[ODERVIT]

As a person who survived four accidents (all the pilots are alive), what is most depressing for me is the appearance of numerous experts (smart guys) in the investigation of flight accidents.
incidents. For real aviators, the law is that you can stir up various conjectures and fantasies in your head, but publicly nothing. Objectivity only after publication of the results of the investigation by authorized persons. Everything else, I’m not afraid of negative assessments, is empty nonsense.

[Dikson]

It’s a great sin, of course, but - it was a charter with tourists... - Couldn’t a drunk tourist, after all, have opened the back door at a height? We gained altitude, passengers were allowed to move around the cabin, Well, the conductors missed it, - they opened the door, depressurization - the tail comes off and that’s it...

[1rl141]

Quote: vlad_m

Oxidises and corrodes "how hello!" Aluminum is a very active metal. It is saved from corrosion by a thin oxide film on top of the metal itself, but if it is broken, mechanically or chemically, the metal instantly corrodes. If at the point of contact of two products, one of which is aluminum (duralumin), a mechanical effect occurs, for example, friction, oxide film and any other protective coating is constantly broken and the corrosion process goes deeper. At some point, it may "rust" through and through.
Of non-ferrous metals under atmospheric conditions, only "noble" metals are free from oxidation. Gold, palladium, platinum, etc.

Aluminum is truly a reactive metal. But that same oxide film, when subjected to mechanical action, is formed immediately. In a chemistry textbook, an experiment was even described on how aluminum reacts with water. In air, aluminum instantly oxidizes.
Various salts are dangerous for aluminum and duralumin. On the seashore, for example, aluminum antennas begin to crumble and crumble quite quickly.
It is also harmful for aluminum to coexist with copper, steel, and titanium. A galvanic couple is formed and the aluminum is destroyed.
So disruption of the oxide film does not affect aluminum at all.

[1rl141]

Quote: Cook

. And the case of the successful engineless landing of the A320 on the Hudson suggests that there are options. Great flying hours and experience of the commander: this, of course, greatly reduces the likelihood of an error, but does not completely eliminate it,

Before the incident on the Hudson, there was a case when a Tu-134, having used up all its fuel, landed on the Neva, in St. Petersburg. Between the Volodarsky and Finlyandsky bridges. There are 4 km between the bridges. And the bend of the river. He took aim and splashed down. No harm done. So there really are options.

[Bort radist]

News - an American satellite recorded a flash, a second before the loss of the Boeing. Terrorist attack?
http://lifenews.ru/news/167808

[31R-US]

The plane crashed while taking off from Egypt, and not when taking off from the Russian Federation. if it really is a malfunction of the plane, then there is only a difference of three hours of flight, I don’t believe in the malfunction and I won’t believe it even if it is officially published in the media after the boxes are decrypted.

[Bort radist]

They report that they found elements that were not part of the structure, the sides, and that there were sounds uncharacteristic of flight in the cockpit before the crew lost control.
http://www.kp.ru/online/news/2210777/