Israeli military revealed some characteristics of the Pere self-propelled gun

The self-propelled unit “Pere” was developed in 1982 g and was presented as a machine “capable of striking with surgical precision both manpower and heavily armored enemy equipment at a distance of 25 kilometers”. After 33, the IDF decided to declassify some of its characteristics, reports Look with reference to MIGnews.com.

According to the military, "a new generation of artillery" Pere "is a separate class of military equipment called rocket a tank”, Although, in the opinion of the resource,“ Pere ”has nothing in common with the tank, except, perhaps, in appearance.

Characteristics of the machine is fully consistent with self-propelled installation. "Its only difference from the latter is high accuracy, up to 20-times more accurate than a conventional artillery projectile, and a high destructive force concentrated in a small radius of action," the newspaper notes.

In addition, Pere "has good mobility, developing speeds up to 40 km per hour, as well as stealth on the battlefield, due to the external similarity with the tank," writes MIGnews.com.

“The machine’s strike system consists of 22's Tamuz-type guided missiles. Each rocket is equipped with a tandem-cumulative warhead with optoelectronic guidance, ”the resource reports. The rate of fire, depending on the skill of the loader, is 3-4 shot per minute.

"Pere" is in service with the Israeli army "since the Second Lebanon War and during this time has established itself as an indispensable means of hitting enemy targets that are out of sight," the newspaper notes.

Comments

[Lord of the Sith]

Interestingly, but is it exported?

[i80186]

Quote: Sith Lord

Interestingly, but is it exported?

The cost of one rocket for 2011 year is about 145 000 US dollars.
Ammunition costs like a T-90. Who needs it?

[Baikonur]

They have the same as in the United States, the more expensive, the more money from the budget (people), the more pocket you can get!

[voyaka uh]

No, dear Mr. Baikonur.
We do not have such feints with cuts. Representatives of the left liberal opposition sit on budget commissions (including the military), who shake the soul out of the military, suppliers and the government (which they hate). They require a report for every penny. And there is still
state controller - he is OVER the government (like a judge), he cannot be removed, removed. He regularly "runs into" the military in black. Prapors are afraid to order an extra pencil .

[i80186]

Quote: voyaka uh

We do not have such feints with cuts.

Of course not . This is especially evident against the background of the fact that this miracle was declassified only now. 20 years sawed without a pale, however.

[Pimply]

Quote: i80186

Of course not . This is especially evident against the background of the fact that this miracle was declassified only now. 20 years sawed without a pale, however.

Ingenious logic

[Dan4eG]

Quote: Pimply

Quote: i80186

Of course not . This is especially evident against the background of the fact that this miracle was declassified only now. 20 years sawed without a pale, however.

Ingenious logic

[Taagad]

For the state controller and the parliamentary commission on foreign affairs and defense, this system was not secret

[saber]

"if you do not see a sucker in the scheme, it means you are a sucker" (c)

[2sila]

Right There’s not enough money, even for pedicures and massages!

[2sila]

Massage.....

[2sila]

And all the rest....

[Asadullah]

. Ensigns are afraid to order an extra pencil smile.

Rollbacks do not occur with orders, the order is already post factum. The first rollback is a patent for this or that innovation. Israeli technology is a whole set of patents owned, for example, by a firm from the Isle of Man. The patent component can reach 40% of the cost. In some countries, this trick is legally limited, but it still does not save you from cheating. Official. The second stage is laboratory research, especially calibration and certification, operational scope for overestimating estimates. Well, then, you can control, after such manipulations they can deliver the product to you at all at "cost". The main task is to convince that he is badly needed.

[Pimply]

Quote: voyaka uh

he is OVER the government (like, judge)

usually a former judge.
About an extra pencil - an exaggeration. But about the cuts on the development - right

[chinArmy]

do not judge by Russia

[Now we are free]

Something tells me that the installation was declassified due to the fact that its improved version already on the basis of the Merkava 3 / 4 was already adopted ...
Is the guys from Israel sticking like that?

[Pimply]

Quote: Now we are free

Something tells me that the installation was declassified due to the fact that its improved version already on the basis of the Merkava 3 / 4 was already adopted ...
Is the guys from Israel sticking like that?

It is currently unknown. Until 2011, both Pere and Tamaus were wildly classified. So much so that the appearance of casual information on one of the sites led to close communication between the editor of the site and the military censor, and the soldier who leaked the information was sent to a military jail for 14 months. In the 11th year, Tamuz and one of the carriers based on the M-113 were declassified. Now there is the second

The machine has been in service since 1985. The tower hides a retractable launcher for 12 over-the-horizon Tamuz missiles made by Raphael - Tamuz 2 with a range of 15 km or Tamuz 4 with a range of 30 km (the export Spike NLOS is designated Tamuz 5 in the IDF and seems to differ little from 4). The crew, like the base tank, is four people. Apparently, these donkeys Eeyore with sadly sagging false trunks were called upon to thin out enemy tank armada in the process of advancing the latter to the battlefield. In reality, so far there has been no big war. Again, according to Janes, Tamuz was first used in 2005 in Gaza; during the second Lebanese (2006), there were 527 launches on various point targets (they wrote that each cost the treasury half a million shekels). Then our donkeys lit up during the "cast lead" (2008-9, 26 launches), "indestructible cliff" (2014, 433 launches) and periodically climbed the Golan

[Kars]

Quote: Pimply

indestructible cliff "(2014, 433 launches) and periodically climbed the Golan

All this is good - but what about the diameter of the Merkava chain protection ball? And the characteristics of the chains?
And still a photo that a coaxial machine gun could be seen?

Nothing that I changed the topic so abruptly?

[Pimply]

Well, the machine gun is unlikely to be visible anywhere - it’s behind the armor, in this gap. And about everything else - the road to you in Latrun, of course 8)

[Kars]

Quote: Pimply

And about everything else - the road to you in Latrun, of course 8)

This is far. Inet in Russian does not help. There is an option that the diameter of the balls is 44 mm.

[Pimply]

Quote: Kars

This is far. Inet in Russian does not help. There is an option that the diameter of the balls is 44 mm

I won’t help here. Ask David a question

[Kars]

I hate life logbook)) I can not prove that I am a man))

[Tourist Breakfast]

If I’m in Latrun, I’ll measure it. On Voronline did not try to ask?

[Kars]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

On Voronline did not try to ask?

but somehow I’m not there.
Measure, I will be grateful or maybe ask on Israeli resources? Maybe I can somehow determine from the photo. I don’t like something from the hobbyist boss set, and I already ruined one attempt.

[Thronekeeper]

And who needs this coffin on the tracks?
Israel has conceptual cars. Mobile checkpoints in essence.
Any general of potential importers with dental pain will think what will remain of this pepelats if an lone Mi-10 appears in eight to 24 km.

[Manul]

Quote: Thronekeeper

what will remain of this pepelats if in eight-10 km a lone Mi-24 appears.

Can't they shoot down MI-24 with Tamuz?

[Thronekeeper]

In the faculty attacking overflight, there are no terrain folds. Like Mi-28 and Apache, attacking with a bounce.
In general, to find such a device from the category "Mission Impossible".
Then, there are many high-precision systems tailored to counter-battery combat. And even MLRS, working on areas with a distance of more than 25km pose a serious danger.
Projections frontal and lateral - narrower.

[Manul]

Quote: Thronekeeper

In general, to find such a device from the category "Mission Impossible".

But our similar devices are positioned from this side ...

Needless to say, BMPT missiles penetrate the armor of any tanks and concrete bunkers at a distance of up to 5 km, and can also shoot down a helicopter and even a low-flying enemy aircraft

http://topwar.ru/632-bmpt-ramka-99-terminator.html

[Lexa-149]

So this is subject to direct sight, and not from a distance of 25 km!))))))))))

[Pimply]

Quote: Thronekeeper

In the faculty attacking overflight, there are no terrain folds. Like Mi-28 and Apache, attacking with a bounce.
In general, to find such a device from the category "Mission Impossible".
Then, there are many high-precision systems tailored to counter-battery combat. And even MLRS, working on areas with a distance of more than 25km pose a serious danger.
Projections frontal and lateral - narrower.

Do you understand that everything that works in the complex?

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: Sith Lord

Interestingly, but is it exported?

“Who needs her?” An expensive and stupid thing, suitable only against poorly armed Arabs. Any jerk-conscript with RPGs will send this trash to the forefathers with one shot. And even not only him - depending on how much the entire detonated bunch of missiles in the tower burns around.

[vodolaz]

Such a noble target, it would be necessary to do even higher, otherwise it is not visible from everywhere.

[i80186]

Quote: vodolaz

such a target, it would be necessary to make it even higher, otherwise it is not visible from everywhere.

Well yes. It is also worth taking a ride on the "loader's skill" on the "new generation SPG", well, in my opinion.

[vodolaz]

Quote: i80186

Quote: vodolaz

such a target, it would be necessary to make it even higher, otherwise it is not visible from everywhere.

Well yes. It is also worth taking a ride on the "loader's skill" on the "new generation SPG", well, in my opinion.

Well, judging by the heap of cons in our address, the developers and loaders were offended))))

[Thronekeeper]

Well yes, the Israelis are minus.
In general, what a "new generation" is 1982, and they are already being removed from service, apparently.

[Pimply]

Quote: vodolaz

Well, judging by the heap of cons in our address, the developers and loaders were offended))))

Yes, why be offended by something stupid

[Pimply]

Quote: Sith Lord

Interestingly, but is it exported?

Not. Moreover - until recently, this device, like the Tamuz missiles, was an absolutely secret development.

[Taagad]

Exported to South Korea. In service since the 80s, has been classified. Designed to solve the problem of a huge number of Syrian tanks (5000 units, at that time 4th place in the world)

[Sasha 19871987]

given the range of 25 km and the resemblance to an ordinary tank ... a very formidable thing ... where where, but here I respect the Israeli gunsmiths

[BMP-2]

Probably, the terribleness of a thing lies in its invisibility! True, I can’t understand how the external resemblance to the tank makes it invisible on the battlefield ?! Apparently, no one will notice the loss of self-propelled guns against the background of very noticeable losses of tanks ...

[Sergey Medvedev]

Hardly. This is an anti-tank weapon, but where could it be used and against whom? The main rivals of the fleet did not have tanks. And those who have tanks have not fought with Israel for a long time, made peace with him.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Sergey Medvedev

Hardly. This is an anti-tank weapon, but where could it be used and against whom? The main rivals of the fleet did not have tanks. And those who have tanks have not fought with Israel for a long time, made peace with him.

oh well ... Israel is surrounded by "friends" that such a "piece" is clearly not superfluous.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

something has already been published on

›Armament» Strategic Missile Forces
Tamuz is a new Israeli super-weapon
26 September 2011

but in general, an interesting thing, you can congratulate the Israelis on a successful decision ...

[kolyhalovs]

Well, if the enemy does not have electronic warfare equipment, then yes, this thing rules. All tanks will be burned within a radius of 20 km. The next step will be to create such a rocket, which itself "recognizes" the enemy tank and itself is guided into it. You just need to send it approximately to where it is. Then it will be a super weapon.

[ovod84]

I think the sun will be more powerful and distant. I could be wrong

[Haettenschweiler]

Quote: ovod84

I think the sun will be more powerful and distant. I could be wrong

- "Sunshine" is generally from another opera. In principle, he is not capable of "surgical defeat of enemy manpower and heavily armored equipment." He is only able to flood the area with a sea of ​​napalm and send everything that will have the misfortune to get into this area on a date with Satan. Infantry, equipment, infantry in equipment ... it doesn't matter.

[voyaka uh]

Solntsepek has completely different tasks. He is for hitting
fortified city blocks. His, for example, with success
applies the Iraqi army to storm the cities of the IG.

And this missile tank - for targeted attacks on important single
goals: tanks, bunkers, art equipment. Can an enemy general be given a rocket
exactly in the middle of the chest for 20 km from the front line.

[i80186]

Quote: voyaka uh

Solntsepek has completely different tasks. He is for hitting
fortified city blocks.

Brilliant is the same. Probably just for this, it is in service in the parts of the Russian Chemical-Chemical Base.

[inpu]

Quote: i80186

Quote: voyaka uh

Solntsepek has completely different tasks. He is for hitting
fortified city blocks.

Brilliant is the same. Probably just for this, it is in service in the parts of the Russian Chemical-Chemical Base.

A radical fight against biological weapons))

[aleks 62 next]

..... And this missile tank - ....

..... In-!!!!! ..... Chet reminds me of our development of the Khrushchev era - a missile tank .... Only better rockets, and more ammunition ..... Looks were taken as a basis .... (the idea itself) .....

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

Solntsepek has completely different tasks. It is for hitting fortified city blocks. For example, the Iraqi army successfully uses it when storming the cities of the Islamic State. And this missile tank is used for targeted attacks on important single targets: tanks, bunkers, artillery equipment. You can give an enemy general a rocket in the middle of the chest 20 km from the front line.

I see you do not shine with logic either, so you would immediately write that "Solntsepek" is for striking kindergartens, hospitals and schools.
But the missile tank - only for attacks on terrorists!

The specialization of TOS-1A “Solntsepek” is the defeat of the enemy’s manpower, open and closed firing positions in various types of offensive and defensive combat, and the failure of armored vehicles.

[dojjdik]

here islam has everything and medicine supposedly is free and the atomic bomb has education and the best and the best teachers and weapons are the latest and greatest; rebus? - from where means? Is it not the oil of the Saudi sheikhs or the excessive and honest work of the Jews? but we can still oil through the Red Sea; and now you can rob Libya and Iraq and dreams of Iranian oil; well, we’ll twist this reptile Assad into a ram’s horn; Jewish shortages torment

[voyaka uh]

"? -from where is the means?" ///

From industrial exports: medicines, honey. equipment, scientific instruments, chips,
nano-technology, communication satellites.
These products and components are sold to the most developed countries at high prices. Percent
profits are very high.

[i80186]

Quote: voyaka uh

chips

"Israeli chips" - the whole development department laughs like horses. High-tech you are ours, where without you is.

[voyaka uh]

"" Israeli chips "- the whole development department laughs like horses." ///

Laughter is good for your health. And I eagerly join
to the laughter of your department .

But then maybe it’s useful to know that
almost all Intel processors are designed
at Intel Israel. Here, in the Holy Land, they are produced.
(this is easy to check on google)
Not to mention the thousands of types of special chips and boards for avionics,
medical devices and others that develop (and successfully sell at
to the whole world) dozens firms.

[i80186]

Quote: voyaka uh

Here, in the Holy Land, they are produced.
(this is easy to check on google)

Yes, even nothing to check. In addition to Intel processors, the production of which employs as many as 10000 people, what else do they produce? Maybe there you have a branch of TI or AD suddenly appeared.

[voyaka uh]

for i80186:

Oh, trouble with you, straight Thomas unbeliever ...
Here is a list of Israeli electronic companies engaged in
development and production of chips (approximately 50):

http://www.science.co.il/Electronics-Companies.asp?s=semi
If you are looking for work in this area, send CV, engineers
on the electrician is not enough .

[i80186]

Quote: voyaka uh

If you are looking for work in this area, send CV, engineers
on the electrician is not enough

Yes, I have a job. I do not need. By the way I looked at the list. I went around the sites. Somehow I did not notice the manufacturers of crystals. Mostly centers for the application of American. Well, we have them in Moscow alone two times more.

[APASUS]

Quote: i80186

"Israeli chips" - the whole development department laughs like horses. High-tech you are ours, where without you then

Before writing, you would be interested in at least a topic

[i80186]

Quote: APASUS

Before writing, you would be interested in at least a topic

Yes, I'm a little electronic design engineer. So familiar with the topic.

[APASUS]

Quote: i80186

Yes, I'm a little electronic design engineer. So familiar with the topic

all the more strange to see such comments from you.
If it does not bother you, describe your complaints about electronics from Israel

[rotmistr60]

The percentage of profit is very high.

Well, about interest and profits it is really useless to argue with you. Here you are ahead of the whole planet for sure.

[kil 31]

Quote: voyaka uh

"? -from where is the means?" ///

From industrial exports: medicines, honey. equipment, scientific instruments, chips,
nano-technology, communication satellites.
These products and components are sold to the most developed countries at high prices. Percent
profits are very high.

You forgot about other profits. In 2001, Israel received $ 2,87605 billion in military assistance.
In 2002, Israel received $ 2,85065 billion in military assistance.
In 2003, Israel received $ 3,74515 billion in military assistance.
In 2004, Israel received $ 2,68725 billion in military assistance.
In 2005, Israel received $ 2,61215 billion in military assistance.
In 2006, Israel received $ 2,5345 billion in military assistance.
In 2007, Israel received $ 2,50315 billion in military assistance.
In 2008, Israel received $ 2,4239 billion in military assistance.
In 2009, Israel received $ 2,5839 billion in military assistance.
In 2010, Israel received $ 2,8038 billion in military assistance.
In 2011, Israel received $ 3,02922 billion in military assistance.
In 2012, US military assistance to Israel amounted to $ 3,1 billion.
In 2013, US military assistance to Israel amounted to $ 3,115 billion.
In 2013, the United States and Israel entered into an agreement under which the US treaty from 2018 to 2027 will provide Israel with $ 40 billion military assistance, including F-35I, KC-135 refueling aircraft, and V-22 military transport helicopters. " Osprey ", anti-radar missiles and radar equipment for installation on military aircraft [5] [6].
In 2014, military transport aircraft C-130J-30 Super Hercule began to arrive.
Подробнее: http://cyclowiki.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BF%D0%B

E%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%89%D1%8C_%D0%A1%D0%A8%D0%90_%D0%98%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%B

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[voyaka uh]

for kil 31:

Once (20-30 years ago) this help was vital for us.
Today, with annual GDP of more than 300 billion dollars - a drop in the bucket.
Although we say "thank you" for any help.

[33 Watcher]

In addition, %% 90 facets of precious stones are produced in Israel, %% 70 medical implants, from silicone, to complex artificial joints.
Why so expensive? So take a look at the map - a small piece of the desert, and try to compactly place a huge number of enterprises there, and also heavy machinery. And this despite the fact that in January I bought from Israel in Siberia Israeli grapes and radishes. What time!
So that in vain you comrades laugh, there is something to learn.

[Zaurbek]

You forgot to add 5 billion dollars (I may be wrong in the amount) every year to help the Israel Defense Forces from the United States. And free ships and submarines from Germany. This increases profitability and helps to maintain an army that Israel could not contain in the normal scenario.

[Zaurbek]

You forgot to add 5 billion dollars (I may be wrong in the amount) every year to help the Israel Defense Forces from the United States. And free ships and submarines from Germany. This increases profitability and helps to maintain an army that Israel could not contain in the normal scenario.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: dojjdik

rebus? - from where means?

export 2014 high tech 100 bilion $

[i80186]

Quote: MACCABI-TLV

export 2014 high tech 100 bilion $

And the GDP is only 800, and 67% of them are in the service sector. Poor Chinese cry with envy.

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: i80186

And the GDP is only 800, and 67% of them are in the service sector. Poor Chinese cry with envy.

they don’t cry, they quickly and powerfully invest in the Israeli economy.

[i80186]

Quote: MACCABI-TLV

they don’t cry, they quickly and powerfully invest in the Israeli economy.

Yes, yes, powerfully, in the production of chips basically I think))

[Pimply]

Quote: i80186

Yes, yes, powerfully, in the production of chips basically I think))

Your ignorance and perseverance in it touches. Not so long ago, Apple acquired for example Anobit Technologies and PrimeSense - these two companies are engaged in the production of microprocessors. The company also hired dozens of employees who reduced their office in Israel to Texas Instruments, which was engaged in Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPS and OMAP chips in Israel - a type of SoC (system-on-chip) used in a huge number of portable devices, like Amazon Kindle Fire HD.

TowerJazz to mention? This company, in addition to production in Israel, owns enterprises in the United States and Japan (the latter acquired from Panasonic).
I can continue on - I only have a rough list of a dozen companies, but somehow I don’t like throwing beads in front of pigs. Ungrateful and senseless occupation

[Tourist Breakfast]

Strictly speaking, the production of microcircuits as such is far from the main share of Israeli hi-tech. So, comrade is partly right.

[Pimply]

Quote: Tourist's Breakfast

Strictly speaking, the production of microcircuits as such is far from the main share of Israeli hi-tech. So, comrade is partly right.

Well, not about that in general. And about the militant ignorance of a comrade

[roskot]

The Perae self-propelled gun was developed in 1982.

Time has passed this prodigy. So declassified.

[theodore rasp]

Very similar to a handout. I do not recall information about their practical application and results. Need to look more closely.

[IAlex]

Why does he need 8 antennas ???

[aszzz888]

I think the sun will be more powerful and distant. I could be wrong

I think that this is not the same thing. A completely different classification.
And for comparison it’s not good.
Sincerely.

[Sukhoi]

A 25km rocket is not bad, but the topic is not disclosed.

optoelectronic warhead

Homing head, or the target need to be highlighted with a laser (satellite guidance?)? What is the advantage over adjustable artillery shells with a range of 50+?
Or the same MLRS?

[bmv04636]

Yes, not what it’s like, we have indoor missiles, although we have an answer, it can act right away

[Dan4eG]

Homing head

she is the most thermal head from the third generation ptrk!

What is the advantage over 50+ adjustable artillery shells?

no backlight required for see above

MLRS

RZSO cover the terrain or a large congestion, can one rush out of the RZSO on a lonely tank !?

[Sukhoi]

no backlight required for see above

Not all shells need it. Plus, it’s not clear how the operator detects the target - its own radar, intelligence or satellite data.

RZSO cover the terrain or a large congestion, can one rush out of the RZSO on a lonely tank !?

Cluster submunitions are individually aimed at the target. For a single target, of course you will not hit, but the tanks do not ride one at a time.
IMHO the key parameters are cost and range. And for both UAS or CAS they win.

In short, I’m all for what - the article is so-so, more questions than answers.

[Dan4eG]

Plus, it’s not clear how the target operator detects

UAV, reconnaissance, just came under fire and transmitted the coordinates, but in flight the operator already sees!
look at youtube "tamuz" or "nlos"

IMHO key parameters are the cost and range

as well as the opportunity to hit the target, and preferably the first time, but here your cas cas are limping, their emnip accuracy is up to 10m!

[Sukhoi]

and in flight the operator already sees!

Here I did not understand - the rocket itself is aimed at the target or the operator controls the flight?

as well as the opportunity to hit the target, and preferably the first time, but here your cas cas are limping, their emnip accuracy is up to 10m!

The warhead is cumulative, so you need to hit it on the target itself.
CAS and UAS have an OFS warhead, does not the detonation of a 152 / 155mm high-explosive mine near the tower disable the enemy?

[Dan4eG]

Here I did not understand - the rocket itself is aimed at the target or the operator controls the flight?

what do you mean by yourself? shot in the area, but she found a target there? so no one knows how!
1-capture before launch and tracking to defeat
2-launch into the blind, finding the target manually and then by herself
3-manual from start to finish

[Sukhoi]

what do you mean by yourself? shot in the area, but she found a target there? so no one knows how!

Without human intervention. Javelin and the modernized Cornet are partially able to varying degrees (capturing the target to the operators, then all by themselves); self-aiming ammunition with an active seeker or satellite correction - delivery to the target area is actually necessary - then the automation works.

If you take your points, then either the target must be emphasized, or the rocket is able to capture the target itself and lead it to defeat. The third option as you said it manually. If I understand correctly, then optoelectronic guidance is a visual target tracking. Those. the operator must always see the target and conduct the missile (radio commands, the distance is too long for the wires), or reconnaissance and target designation tools do this.
The question is that someone should observe the target all the time and launch a rocket, because she does not have an active seeker. Correct if I made a mistake.

[Dan4eG]

I’m telling you once again, on a missile thermal imaging seeker (from PTRK 3 generation), through it the operator sees! Active backlight does not require!

[Sukhoi]

I’m telling you once again, on a missile thermal imaging seeker (from PTRK 3 generation), through it the operator sees! Active backlight does not require!

I missed it, sorry

[saber]

will it be a laser gun? for self defense?

[wild]

Quote: Saber

will it be a laser gun? for self defense?

No, only blasters, and Jedi swords.

[mpzss]

do not be skeptical or ironic about weapons of other countries! it must be respected and investigated on the subject of how best to destroy it, well, or neutralize it. Anyway. so many years have passed since its inception that I think EVERYTHING knows about him in the right circles!

[This]

There is nothing new under the sun: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT-1
http://topwar.ru/34538-istrebitel-tankov-it-1-drakon.html

[Kars]

It looks brutal. Once a Chinese person can declassify a model.

[Kars]

________________________

[inpu]

Rubbing against each other. Frozen ... Yes, it's not Africa for you ...

[Kars]

__________________________________-

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: Kars

__________________________________-

OOOO ...

[Kars]

Quote: MACCABI-TLV

OOOO ...

[Pimply]

The device is in motion. In action a little higher

[33 Watcher]

Desirable MENG

[Kars]

In principle, it’s possible to Meng, if they would have put up a decent price. And then I’ll get the Nakladon, the puma and maybe someone will make a Carrot with a Cape (otherwise the conversion kit costs a lot of money)

[Manul]

I don’t understand the difficulty of combining missile weapons with a tank. It somehow looks cumbersome. Isn’t it reasonable to place such an installation on a heavy BMPT, which we are trying to implement? Still, the tasks of the tank and such a long-range missile system seem quite different.
It is also interesting - what are the possibilities of self-detection of targets by this setting. It is unlikely that there is a radar in the millimeter range, like the Chrysanthemum. That is, you definitely need to illuminate the target with a third-party operator, or will you have to be content with visual contact and the vaunted missile range in this case makes no sense?
An interesting rocket - since it is so expensive, does it mean effective? Such a range of course is respectable. Against the 6 km of ATGM of our Chrysanthemum - it is impressive. Does it seem like nothing to us?

[chinArmy]

Quote: Manul

I don’t understand the difficulty of combining missile weapons with a tank

you are mistaken, the gun is a fake. there was an article, this installation was maximally disguised as a tank

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Manul

I don’t understand such a difficulty - to combine missile weapons with a tank. Somehow it looks bulky.?

the fact is that the first missiles in 82/84 flew over 6 km, and since the main task of this system was to work on the second echelon of the Syrian tank forces, they tried to create a vehicle as close as possible in appearance to the tanks and simultaneously increase the protection of the crew.
Today, when "Tamuz" operates at 25 km, lighter platforms are used.

[mvg]

At least the Jews have won all their wars so far .. Mostly with a crushing score. An article about self-propelled guns was already in. And there, one respected Jew said that the price tag of a rocket was seriously reduced .. to $ 40000. Good anti-tank version, with a coefficient of about 0.8. Even cheaper is the Chinese type 69 and the Syrian T-55 and 62.

[yushch]

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Quote: Sith Lord

Interestingly, but is it exported?

The cost of one rocket for 2011 year is about 145 000 US dollars.
Ammunition costs like a T-90. Who needs it?

In the USSR, such a product was developed during the Khrushchev era, if I am not mistaken. Moreover, it successfully passed all the tests, but was not accepted for service due to the small number of missiles and narrow specialization.

[Prisoner]

So the former compatriots remembered about this, as well as about laser rangefinders.

[Termit1309]

both manpower and heavily armored enemy vehicles at a distance of up to 25 kilometers ”

One question is, how does this self-propelled ATGM detect manpower at such a distance? Well, or at least the technique?

[Pimply]

Quote: Termit1309

One question is, how does this self-propelled ATGM detect manpower at such a distance? Well, or at least the technique?

Aviation and satellites

[artura0911]

Wouldn’t it be better if this installation were put on a truck ?? I’d drive faster.

[Pimply]

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Wouldn’t it be better if this installation were put on a truck ?? I’d drive faster.

But why?
Tamuzi on a wheelbase yuzali Moran / Meitar, these devices for other purposes

[shultz21070]

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We do not have such feints with cuts.

you can lie to yourself forever

[Grigorievich]

Well done Israelis-twenty years to keep this a secret.

[Prisoner]

And in twenty years no one has seen this miracle? Really well done.

[Aaron Zawi]

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And in twenty years no one has seen this miracle? Really well done.

Since 2006 alone, the IDF has used more than 800 Tamuz missiles against various targets.