Ukraine - New Russia - Russia. What tomorrow?

I can imagine how tired these numerous quirks of Ukrainian politics are. And not only Kiev, but also from the opposite side. Understanding the situation from time to time came across completely absurd actions of Ukrainians. Remember how the attitude to these actions changed? In the beginning - just the inability to manage. New people, new state of the state, new relationships. Then, after a series of incomprehensible resignations and the "squeezing" of a number of charismatic militia commanders to Russia, opinions began to appear that not everything is in order in the new states. And after the actions of "Ukrainian RDG" with the murder of unwanted, the opinion turned into confidence. A series of scandals associated with "squeezing" and "planting", spitting on the laws, only aggravated the attitude to what is happening.




If you add scandals with humanitarian aid, the sudden arrests of Russian militias, the closure of the border, it turns out that the guys began to build something not clear. But, God is their judge. It is not our business to teach adults how to live. If people agree to live like this, then so be it. And the thin world is always better than a good fight. Especially after a long and incomprehensible war. One day without dying from bullets or mines costs much more than all our conversations.

But we continue this topic, even with all the fact that it is no longer as interesting as a year ago. Despite some disappointment, the lack of triumphant reports in combat reports and the like. Yes, now, of course, Syria is in the first place. But from this problems LDNR become less tangible or disappeared altogether? Yes, Syria, it is not far. And ISIS there is ready to ruff our nerves. And what is Ukraine next? And there are no those who are glad of any trouble in Russia?

I look at the materials of correspondents from the Donbass. What war? Holidays, peaceful life, children at school. The complete victory of the people over the Kiev junta. Even on our absolutely pro-separatist resource, judging by the number of views and comments, such sweetness causes more irritation than interest.

Meanwhile, the struggle is not for life, but for death. There is a fight for power. For control of financial and other flows. Coal is supplied to Ukraine. Companies, even with difficulty, but work. This means that there is an economic interest in power. I think that what we saw in early September is just the beginning. The next step is much more "heavy" figures. But we will talk about this in separate articles. Too many controversial materials.

Today we are interested in perspective. What will happen to Ukraine, what will happen to the LC, with the DNI. What is worth waiting for us.

I am very good at science. And in particular, to geography. And I understand that much of what science says is axioms. You want to, whatever happens, and Ukraine, or the fact that it will eventually be created there, will remain a frontier territory for us. And the problems will remain. Just because of geography.

Axiom? In my opinion, quite to myself.

So, the last statement of the head of the DPR Alexander Zakharchenko. In an interview with RIA "News“Zakharchenko expressed in the vein that everything, Kiev and Washington, as the main headquarters of the war, were“ blown away. ”There will be no more military operations, no more shelling. Peace!

"In the West, there is a consensus on the Minsk agreements: not only Europe, but also the United States insist on their implementation." Naivety? No, a peculiar understanding of recent US actions. Or the knowledge of what we do not know. We do not know yet.

What is the basis for such a bold statement of the DPR? I liked the motivation. Obama rejected the Congress-approved law on the allocation of military aid to Ukraine for 300 million dollars. So I want to write - peremoga. How can you make war without this money?

Only here the respected leader of the DPR forgot that in Ukraine, and in his republic including, weapons and ammunition are enough to wage such a war, as it was, for several decades. Just dozens. American cars of course more modern Soviet, but look around. GAZ-69 old goats are worn along the contact line just as good as the Humvee.

And about 300 $ million, what are these pennies for a country with a budget of $ 612 billion? And who forbids to render assistance through any funds, programs for the construction of new aircraft, etc.? No argument at all. Obama understands that his term is running out. He will not be the next president. So he tries to somehow “work out” the once received Nobel Peace Prize. Enter history peacemaker. Although this is more than doubtful, because "Mr. Namrothvoril" Mr. President of the United States so much ...

The reaction of the DPR to the frequent visits of military delegations to Kiev is not entirely clear. Have Americans changed? They began to take care of others at the expense of themselves? Yes fullness. How many crocodiles do not bring up, he will always remain a crocodile. For the United States has always been and remains in the priority of their own benefit. Own!

What to expect? It is doubtful that the Americans changed the strategic task of their foreign policy. Especially in light of the recent failures in Syria. The goal was and remains Russia. No matter how many times we tear off the vests on our own breasts, we have to admit that if they wish, the Americans can turn Ukraine into Somalia within a month or two. And no one, including the EU countries and even the UN, can prevent this. Too controlled policy of most countries. And the dollar, as a world currency, a huge lever of pressure.

Plus, a huge number of outspoken Nazis and fascists, who no longer see themselves with any other role than the "fighters against Russia."

Once we wrote that Americans would wage a war "until the last Ukrainians". Then it went out of the press. We once again took the position of an ostrich. Like the one that once we inspired by the Great Patriotic. Not the German people to blame, but the fascists. The people are good. In Ukraine, too, now the people are not to blame. Junta. Well yes. Poroshenko personally shot from mortars and in the volunteer battalions cloned.

There will be no peace in Ukraine. And to believe that everything goes to him - outright nonsense. If not to say betrayal. Americans need to keep troops on the border with Ukraine. To the cost of equipment boundaries increased. To tension persisted. The conflict will "smolder" further.

I can not say that we in Russia do not understand this. We understand. And we have the appropriate actions. For example, the re-registration of Ukrainian citizens in Russia. Figures from unverified sources, therefore we apologize if there is an inaccuracy somewhere. In Russia, now about 2,5 million citizens of Ukraine. Of these, only 1 million from Donetsk. And the rest? And all of them until today enjoyed preferential visa, more precisely, visa-free regime. Lived in Russia, as in their own country.

At the same time, only about 300 thousands of people received work permit. But the cost of maintaining them for Russia has exceeded 30 billion rubles. To afford such spending, we can not. Last month benefits, and then all on a common basis. In addition to the residents of Donbass, of course. A sufficiently effective measure for the education of love or hatred of Russia.

I managed to talk with representatives of the Ukrainian people in the Voronezh region. We have them, you know, not just a lot. I have a couple of those who came running from Kharkov in my house. The reaction is panic and fear. The fear that everything is good (by Ukrainian standards) life is over. And the panic that most likely will have to go to their historic homeland. Because there is no evidence that they escaped from the bloody regime (and it wasn’t there, but then there wasn’t any inspection), and you’ll either have to live differently in Russia or live as you will in Ukraine.

And none of the prospects of the rainbow is not.

But back to the prospects. What's next? There are no grounds for considering that Kiev’s refusal of a military solution to the conflict is real. The peaceful entry of LDNR into Ukraine on any conditions threatens the death of Ukraine itself. And, more importantly, the real death of its current leaders. Any union will spawn a partisan movement. I emphasize any!

Will the Americans come in any form to Ukraine? Will an American military base be created? I think no. Too dangerous. Military assistance will be in the form of instructors and advisers. But in perspective, the entry of European peacekeepers is quite possible. Europe will not be able to refuse the older brother. By virtue of its military weakness and economic dependence. And in this case, we will be forced to introduce peacekeepers to the east of Ukraine. So, the goal of the Americans will be partially achieved.

The Minsk agreements reached the main point. At the very least, but the war was stopped. But further actions need to be coordinated again. It is necessary to solve issues of state-building in the territory of the former Ukraine. And, no matter how sad it is to admit it, we could not maintain the unity of this state. Ukrainians will become the next Yugoslavia. More precisely, the fact that from her left. The second largest European state, which could become the leader of Europe, has been destroyed. Divide and rule...
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  1. igor.borov775 3 November 2015 06: 41 New
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    We lost its Ukraine earlier. Why did this happen is a separate issue. But a bad world is better than loss of life. And the bad things from the Ukrainian authorities, we have not all received will be dirty tricks. And we in this zoo lose out quietly in small steps and retire into the abyss.
    1. vladek64 3 November 2015 12: 48 New
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      Quote: igor.borov775
      And we in this zoo lose out quietly in small steps and retire into the abyss.

      Alas! Moreover, “we” are all Slavs (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, etc.).
  2. parusnik 3 November 2015 06: 41 New
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    The conflict will continue to smolder.... It will be, and everyone needs it .. I need a junta, anyone .. I need to get money for something, and carry on the ideological treatment of the population .. and steal money, the war will write off everything .. I need Russia while there is LDN , there will be no EU and NATO for Ukraine .. New Russia? This is a myth .. There is a struggle for the whole country .. The warring parties, the Yugoslav version is not really needed .. yes, and the historical situation here is a little different ..
  3. demo 3 November 2015 06: 45 New
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    Sadly, but all is true.
    1. Amurets 3 November 2015 08: 06 New
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      Quote: demo
      Sadly, but all is true.

      That's right! In light of what is happening in Poland and Hungary, yesterday’s reviews already mentioned the claims of both Poles and V. Orban.
  4. Mountain shooter 3 November 2015 06: 50 New
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    Dill is not Greece. Not a member of the EU, and they will not save her. They will throw it as a waste rubber product and leave. So, what is next? They have already broken ties with Russia, but Europe does not need them. Donbass is dangerous to Ukraine, like a sunbeam for a ghoul. Are dill going to re-educate them?
    1. Amurets 3 November 2015 12: 23 New
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      Europe does not need them

      Europe, more precisely, individual states need, but need separate pieces. Poland claims to Transcarpathia, Hungary claims to Galicia, And the most modest, it is Romania, it claims to the smallest territories, this is Podolia; Odessa region and Transnistria, the Ukrainian part.
      1. Director 4 November 2015 04: 01 New
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        Your historical and geographical knowledge is just off scale.
      2. August 6 November 2015 09: 01 New
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        Only a completely sick Rospotriot can imagine the countries of NATO and the EU, annexing foreign territories. Even Albania has not joined Kosovo. Not to mention the fact that Ukrainians hate Poles no less than Russians, and Poland has no 7 million inhabitants of Galicia and Volhynia to somehow control, with a stick or a carrot.
    2. Kirill 3 November 2015 12: 56 New
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      If the West abandons Ukraine, then we will have to raise it. So it’s better not to drop it
  5. sa-ag 3 November 2015 07: 08 New
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    "... Will the Americans enter in any form into Ukraine? Will an American military base be created? I think not. Too dangerous."

    But why is it difficult to arrange a provocation against American citizens and introduce a temporary contingent supposedly to protect them, and there will be nothing to object to, such as human lives above all else
    1. stappler 2 3 November 2015 08: 13 New
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      and yet .. our wow hit the "first" in four !!! years after the outbreak of war in Syria,
      when the enemy from the “crowd” even proclaimed his state and recaptured 3/4 of the territory, yes ... we will go far with such a reaction ...
  6. Shiva83483 3 November 2015 07: 35 New
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    Quote: igor.borov775
    We lost its Ukraine earlier. Why did this happen is a separate issue. But a bad world is better than loss of life. And the bad things from the Ukrainian authorities, we have not all received will be dirty tricks. And we in this zoo lose out quietly in small steps and retire into the abyss.

    We didn’t lose her. For one simple reason — it was never “ours” - in the literal sense of the word, remember the story: it was beneficial for the saloids — they went under the dies, screwed on the nuts — they broke for relatives because of the pitchforks that they themselves had marred in view of their innate handshake. The same story with the Swedes, the custodians, the Ghanaians twice, and still it didn’t teach them anything. So what is our Ukraine like that? She was not ours ... unlike New Russia, as a project of Kato II and Gryni Potemkin. And these things, as they say in Odessa, are two big DIFFERENCES. am
  7. stappler 2 3 November 2015 08: 06 New
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    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Will the Americans enter any form of Ukraine?

    - why go in? according to the latest news from Donetsk, there is a bunch of people who recently arrived with weapons, all
    "blacks" and not even Caucasians, but Arabs ... these will fight for Euro values ​​...
    in general, the situation in the republics is deplorable, there is not enough gas, dill opened food markets with their products at the places of crossing the demarcation line, which are half cheaper than Rostov and people are rushing for food to them, but how? salary-5000rub. in the places of power, everything is “Akhmetov’s”, full of attempts to discredit the movement, the opinion of the people will be tightly changed for the elections ... Wait in Rostov, they will send passports to all the militias, so that later they’ll be dumped ...
  8. olimpiada15 3 November 2015 08: 26 New
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    Closely followed the events in Ukraine.
    What happened ? The people rose against Bandera terror and the dominance of the oligarchy.
    Those who opposed the terror were called terrorists and began to rob and destroy, with the help of hired Bandera-criminal battalions and the army, calling this an ATO event.
    What has become? Economic interests prevailed, the right to life of both the people and the defenders of the people was null and void.
    The Minsk agreements did not lead to peace, and they cannot lead. The Ukrainian junta did not, and will not, do it; not for that were cookies and dollars distributed so that Ukraine would cease to be anti-Russian.
    What will happen? There will be a smoldering conflict, people will continue to die, only everyone will keep silent about it. The state will continue to collapse, the poor and the people of the country will die out, for the prosperity of which it would seem that nature itself has given everything optimal. The gangster-Bandera ideology, which will be supported by the states, will gain strength — no other goals have been achieved besides weakening the country and creating chaos, and the United States will not achieve this. And Russia will declare that it has achieved its goals, although under its side there will be a hostile under-state, stuffed with American warriors. Sberbank will support the Ukrainian economy through Russian subsidies, from which the Russian treasury will be empty, and someone’s pocket will be filled. The feat of people who stood up for the defense of Donbass will be diminished. That's all.
  9. Barakuda 3 November 2015 08: 42 New
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    Ukrainians will become the next Yugoslavia. More precisely, what is left of it. The second largest European state, which could become the leader of Europe, is destroyed. Divide and rule..

    Regrettably sad but true. Got game ... in silence, when even under Kuchma the first processions of UNA-UNSO in Khreschatyk were. The people of Kiev simply looked at them as at prospect Idurks from a distant zoo. And then the zoo itself came, without cages. And civilians all boasted about the holes, even began to feed, so as not to tear to pieces. "Hey fuck, anyhow not byl", "My hut from the edge" - the position "I'm in the house" is still with many citizens of Ukraine in Bosko.
  10. Batia 3 November 2015 09: 16 New
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    The fact that Ukraine is moving away was noticeable in the early 90s. I had the “pleasure” of talking with some personnel officers, etc. With great disdain, they talked about the USSR CA. Still fists clench with memories. And the Russian language was gradually supplanted in the media, schools were translated into Ukrainian. My opinion is that there will be no friendship with them while our generation is alive.
    1. Kirill 3 November 2015 12: 59 New
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      The next generation will not have friendship. With whom and for what purpose to be friends?
  11. Alexl 3 November 2015 09: 40 New
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    That turns out what the matter is - the ideologists of the authors of this opus needed a "united Ukraine" .... Maybe even with Crimea, gentlemen Staver and Skomorokhov? Ukraine consists of 3 large pieces of different cultural and heterogeneous pieces - Galicia, Little Russia and New Russia. The artificial attempt of the Leninist Bolsheviks to link these parts into one whole, as it is now evidently ended in failure. And also, artificially trying to prolong the modern agony of this territorial formation for the sake of some idealistic dreams of the post-perestroika "elite" ruling in Russia now is to doom the population of these parts of Ukraine to further suffering and provoke the spread of civil war further west.
    1. sa-ag 3 November 2015 10: 20 New
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      Quote: AleksL
      The artificial attempt of the Leninist Bolsheviks to link these parts into one, as it is now evidently ended in failure

      And why did you mention the Leninist Bolsheviks, this thing since the time of Bohdan Khmelnitsky was a single whole
      1. Amurets 3 November 2015 12: 49 New
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        [quote = sa-ag] And why did you mention the Leninist Bolsheviks, this thing since the time of Bogdan Khmelnitsky was a single whole
        It wasn’t. With Bogdan Khmelnitsky, left-bank Ukraine came to Russia. Right-bank Ukraine remained a part of Poland. But I do not deny that Bogdan Khmelnitsky was the Great Unifier of Ukraine, but unfortunately he did not manage to make Ukraine a separate state for many years. his enemies.
    2. domokl 3 November 2015 11: 26 New
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      the ideologists of the authors of this opus needed a "united Ukraine" ..

      Exactly. Just because people live there, not statistical units. And they used to live. For some reason, you only mentioned the Bolsheviks. What's this? Counting on the illiteracy of commentators?
      I know about the artificiality of this state. And a year ago I would support it. Only in this case, too, is Russia an artificially created state. And the USA. Even Germany. Look at the history of the Middle Ages, a school course. People do not live exactly along the borders of the state. There is no such thing. Poles live in Belarus in the west, and Belarusians in Poland. And so on all the borders of any state that is not based on an ethnic principle. Or in which ethnic cleansing did not take place.
      In general, it is better to talk with the Ukrainians. A year ago, even the thoughts of the majority were not shared ... Only after the start of the ATO appeared.
    3. Director 4 November 2015 04: 04 New
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      There was no failure. It’s hard to defend yourself from a strong invader
  12. glavnykarapuz 3 November 2015 09: 52 New
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    But it seems to me that they are mixing something for food or drink in this Urkain, since it is like a sudden and too many people have "rolled off their reels".
    Here a relative from Crimea told about neighbors who went to the Independence Square "for standing on the Independence Square" to "earn" when it all started, so they arrived half a year later with a clearly "dropping roof". And their condition after that did not improve. They themselves were told that they were fed not only food but also “vitamins,” active “banderlogs” openly “expanded” with all kinds of “wheels” and bumps. And some inconspicuous characters oversaw all these actions.
  13. vladimir_krm 3 November 2015 09: 59 New
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    "I look at the materials of correspondents from the Donbass. What kind of war? Holidays, peaceful life, children at school."

    Look at the materials about Syria :) It’s the same there ... Moreover, the same authors write in the same Komsomol. And the truth is: what is there, what is there - only to hope for humanitarian aid from Russia? Or do you need to work yourself?
  14. Scud 3 November 2015 10: 07 New
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    I live in Zaporozhye. In May 2013, 9 was celebrated simply gorgeous and in the same year the 70th anniversary of the liberation of Constipation was celebrated. And after half a year on May 9, 2014, the disgusting beating of both veterans with ribbons and other people began. Absolutely all the journalists leading the television and radio channels instantly switched to the Bender-Maydon rhetoric, although just yesterday they wore St. George ribbons. There is a total, large-scale washing of the remaining brains of Ukrainians. Even such radio broadcasts about farming and for younger students about the laws of physics reverently talk about young Bandera and his struggle against the Soviets. And after all those people who grew up in the villages of 50years already curse the Owls. receiving at one time free education, housing, etc.
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    New Russia - the DPR and LPR, no matter how hard Kiev ukroliberasts and their western patrons try to go out and do not recognize its existence - this is a fait accompli from which there is no escape from them.
    1. revnagan 3 November 2015 11: 42 New
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      The fact ... why? The fact that the local elites were able to free themselves from Kiev's obsessive "guardianship"? So what next? New Russia has not become the beginning of a just, new life without oligarchs. Novorossia did not become the foothold from which the anti-fascist movement could begin throughout Ukraine. Physically, Novorossia will not be able to exist within its current borders without powerful subsidized support. 1/3 of the Lugansk and 1/2 Donetsk regions is too small territory, too little potential. This is a fact. The absence of an idea capable of overturning the Probander’s ideology in Ukraine, rallying the people in rejection of the Galician ideology is a fact.
    2. Director 4 November 2015 04: 12 New
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      They will not outlive their creator for long. After Putin’s death, hard times await Russia. It will be hard to feed. All infrastructure is destroyed. Ukraine will not repair anything there. Russia will try, but on its back is Abkhazia, Ossetia, and most importantly Crimea.
  16. Nikita Gromov 3 November 2015 10: 14 New
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    New Russia, sooner or later, in its full territorial and historical scale, will join Russia.
  17. Zavr 3 November 2015 10: 19 New
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    Quote: Nikita Gromov
    New Russia, sooner or later, in its full territorial and historical scale, will join Russia.


    Does she need it? Another black hole that will devour the budget without giving anything back is the territory of the corrupt population, which, for a Russian pension, was mired in a fratricidal war. Where have the plants and mines of Donbas gone? - Looted by marauders from the local contingent, cut and exported to metal.

    In the territories repelled by Ukrainians, everything works, everything is rewarded, there is no rampant of such banditry, thieves and lawlessness.
    1. tolyasik0577 3 November 2015 12: 27 New
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      You're wrong. The people under the bombs of the Ukrainian army, despite everything, are restoring production, opening kindergartens, schools, theaters. The Ukrainian army is destroying, the militia is rebuilding - and so on in a circle, every day.
      1. Zavr 4 November 2015 10: 43 New
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        You're wrong. The people under the bombs of the Ukrainian army, despite everything, are restoring production, opening kindergartens, schools, theaters. The Ukrainian army is destroying, the militia is rebuilding - and so on in a circle, every day.


        watch less zombies,
        where are the working mines? on the day of the miner, the local "leadership" congratulated the miners on the holiday by closing SIX mines and throwing them into the street,
        where are the working plants? - in Russia or cut into metal
        where is the piece of iron? in scrap metal

        By restoration, do you call plywood-clogged windows? well then yes restore
  18. Vladimir 3 November 2015 10: 51 New
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    The elections in Ukraine have become a litmus test especially for the Donbass. The current government has become essentially uninteresting in the region, judge for yourself: the elections in Mariupol and Krasnoarmeysk have been disrupted and the authorities still have not decided not to hold, no one needs to restore the infrastructure before winter. the poor people themselves no longer believe in anything and no one, what conclusions can still be drawn from this.
  19. Reptiloid 3 November 2015 11: 22 New
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    The more I read about the 1917 revolution in Russia, the more I did not understand how it turned out what happened in 20 years. How could the Civil War end in favor of the USSR, if there were so many strong opponents and such a vast territory? ? Opinions about the state, about the future were very different on the basis of some separate events.
    So now LDNR --- the future is being formed now, it will be the same long-term construction that cannot be abandoned !!! EXAMPLES --- they say that people grumbled slowly against the content of Cuba, Vietnam. Unfortunately, the USSR itself has stopped supporting .And now they would be useful, as many write and talk about.
    The republics have various internal problems that need to be addressed in a working order.
    The accession of all of Ukraine (I didn’t want to) is now evident in the example of Crimea and the republics, migrant Ukrainians, that this would be a huge problem for the Russian Federation, someone would profit from it.
    And the republics will join Russia !! I - believe!
    1. vladek64 3 November 2015 12: 44 New
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      it will be the same long-term construction


      Building what?
      Comparison with the Bolsheviks is incorrect. The Bolsheviks immediately announced that they were building, outlined a bright future for people, and this inspired many. At least people could imagine for themselves how they would live when the Bolsheviks defeated.

      Quote: Reptiloid
      I didn’t understand how it turned out what happened in 20 years. How could the Civil War have ended in favor of the USSR, if there were so many strong opponents and such a huge territory?


      That's just because these "strong opponents" did not have any intelligible idea that they could offer the people, these opponents lost. Someone wanted to restore the monarchy, someone needed a constituent assembly for some reason, the Entente simply wanted to rob, and as a result, none of them could offer the people any future that was clear to people.

      The same mistake is made by LDNR. Yesterday it was necessary to formulate the idea of ​​a future state so that people knew what they were fighting for and what they were building. The idea of ​​"entering Russia" does not draw on a state idea. And in general, it reminds Maidan’s idea of ​​“joining the European Union”. On the Independence Square they shouted "we will enter the European Union and we will be happy", and in LNR it turns out "we will enter Russia and we will be happy." And there and there is some hope that we’ll enter somewhere and we will be done everything there “as needed”. What do we want?
  20. 0255 3 November 2015 11: 27 New
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    Sad to read the article sad But more sad is that people are dying precisely in pro-Russian LDNR, and not in Bandera Lviv or Ivano-Frankivsk. I feel sorry for people. Already at certain "comrades" the Russian world is associated with the destroyed cities or villages of Donbass. And Putin recently said that Ukraine is an integral state, but without Crimea.
  21. Belousov 3 November 2015 11: 37 New
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    Muddy things are going on there, very muddy. So it remains to be seen who eventually benefited from the protracted conflict in Russia, Kiev or LDN. Although if you consider that at least civilians do not die, probably all the same LDNR.
  22. tolyasik0577 3 November 2015 12: 16 New
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    I think that the economic and political crisis in Ukraine will lead to a further split in the state. so far only Donbass. as soon as the occasion appears and the Minsk agreements cease to operate, the stratification phase will begin. The eastern part will reach Russia and join the Donbass, the western will not join anywhere, because nobody needs a fuck and will end up in proud Russophobian loneliness - Minisomali. Russia needs to seize the opportunity and win over as many regions loyal to Russia as possible. Create a conglomerate from the remnants of Ukraine. The new “Baltic” republic will turn out from Bandera. The junta had a chance to create a Bendery state, but the desire of the most impatient to destroy dissent led to an economic crisis.
  23. Val_y 3 November 2015 12: 21 New
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    Quote: stappler 2
    and yet .. our wow hit the "first" in four !!! years after the outbreak of war in Syria,
    when the enemy from the “crowd” even proclaimed his state and recaptured 3/4 of the territory, yes ... we will go far with such a reaction ...

    Better late than never!!! But most importantly, it’s not late, but on time !!! The adversaries were throttled, the bandits were completely prevented from building, the construction of gas and oil pipelines from the Arabian Peninsula to Europe was prevented. wink So ... the main thing on time !!!
  24. Stena 3 November 2015 12: 22 New
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    The article is interesting, but the conclusions of the authors cannot be attributed to axioms - own thoughts are the maximum ....
  25. Wolka 3 November 2015 12: 33 New
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    that’s exactly how it seems for the next five years ...
  26. alicante11 3 November 2015 13: 38 New
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    I managed to communicate with representatives of the Ukrainian people on the territory of the Voronezh region. The reaction is panic and fear. Fear that everything, a good (by Ukrainian standards) life is over. And the panic from the fact that most likely have to go to their historical homeland.


    Well, let's say that they live better with us. However, who then prevents them from obtaining a work permit? As I understand it, if they live a year and a half, then not on brought pennies. And, since they can’t get a work permit, it means they work illegally. They don’t pay taxes and fees, but ... why do we need such guests (relatives, brothers) who violate our laws?
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      Dear, didn’t you think that it’s YOU “such guests (relatives, brothers)” that you don’t need ... But someone else needs them. And these someone are citizens of the Russian Federation. Or did those “hahls” come in large numbers with their employers?
      Maybe it's time to change something at the conservatory?
      After reading many of the musings of "generals from the Internet", it becomes scary for Runet. Comrade General Liteinand Yermolai with the knowledge of Vaenava applies the term Ukrofrankinshtein.
      Interestingly, he read Comrade M. Shelley? Or at least heard something “about him” ??? If you are perplexed at the level of moronity on the CENSOR, believe me, it is DE-BILISM that is manifested in discussions of the Ukrainian problem on HE (far from the weakest resource).
      So that you do not think that this is an insult to VO, I will say that imbeciles and i-diodes reign on the CENSOR.
      So I also made a compliment. hi
      This is in order of friendly criticism.
      Sip if sho is wrong. crying
  27. vladimirvn 3 November 2015 14: 07 New
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    It hurts me to see what is happening with the Slavs now. They quarreled, snapped among themselves, many lost their spirit and will to freedom, loyalty to their Slavic brotherhood.
    "But what a tragedy, treason
    for the Slav,
    then bullshit for a gentleman
    and the nobleman "...
    Joseph Brodsky
  28. ermolai 3 November 2015 14: 58 New
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    And, it’s not sad to admit it, we could not maintain the unity of this state
    Is this ukrofrankinshtein needed? maybe more correct a few smaller, but friendly neighbors? after all, from the very birth of the project of the outskirts, they did not consider Russia as an occupier in the literal sense, then they were just a parasite, I talked a lot with this ethnic group and they always considered themselves trickier, more dodgy, smarter, and deceive, throw, humiliate another, this is a feat for them. and this I learned back in the 80s. so that either full assimilation, or a separate table and spoon.
  29. Tambov Wolf 3 November 2015 15: 07 New
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    I write censorily about the policy of Russia towards New Russia, Ukraine and domestic policy towards my country. ..... ........, ..... ......... ....., ........ ............ ..... ... .. ....
  30. Megatron 3 November 2015 16: 39 New
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    It’s still not clear to me why these lazy Minsk agreements are not praised only by the lazy. I will not dwell on their text, as they can be interpreted as you like. But why the militia was not allowed to recapture Mariupol and go to the borders of the republics - this is already a crime.
    And there, in fact, it was already possible to sign something, but not earlier.

    It turned out that a purulent wound was bandaged right now - there is no blood, well and good, but the fact that it is still digging, hurts and cannot be avoided without cleaning, they prefer not to notice.
    1. domokl 3 November 2015 19: 17 New
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      why the militia was not allowed to recapture Mariupol

      Because Maripol is a seaport and if it is recaptured, then Akhmetov, who feeds Donbass and really owns it, will have nowhere to export manufactured products
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        If you follow your logic, then the Ahmetka has an influence on the Kremlin, moreover, at the BAB level, under Yeltsin, which allowed forcing through decisions of such a level. What agree - it can not be. All Minsk was 90% Moscow’s initiative.
  31. Reptiloid 3 November 2015 19: 04 New
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    Muddy things are going on there, very muddy.

    That’s what I’m trying to say about - if I grabbed some events from the formation of the USSR, then too much didn’t fit into people's minds. But then everything fell into place. And what difficulties were in the Far East! Also eastern borders. So much Total.
    Comparing the restoration of LDNR in the Russian Federation with Ukraine and the European Union is, in my opinion, incorrect. I see that you, VLADEK 64, are interested in history, therefore, I know why this huge industrial region inhabited by Russian people ended up in the Ukrainian SSR.
    The idea of ​​LDNR, in my opinion, is the restoration of historical justice.
    As for the new laws --- everything will return to normal, as it should.
    1. domokl 3 November 2015 19: 19 New
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      The idea of ​​LDNR, in my opinion, is the restoration of historical justice.

      Which may I ask? historically, these lands are the territory of the Russian Empire. no more. Only during the Soviet period, people were mixed there as in Moscow .. Each creature in pairs ...
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        historically, these lands are the territory of the Russian Empire. no more.

        Very funny.
        Do you think that before the Russian Empire in these territories there were never any states?
        I can list at least a dozen.
        And the territory of LDNR (the majority) under the Republic of Ingushetia belonged to the Don Army - and had nothing to do with Ukraine at all.
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      restoration of historical justice

      And for this people perished? stop
      I think that they were not thinking about the past, but about the future.
      But what the leadership of LDNR thinks is unknown. The only person who began to try to formulate an idea for LDNR is Brain. But as soon as he began to do this he was immediately killed.
  32. Yugra 3 November 2015 20: 00 New
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    But you didn’t notice that in the DPR and LPR the form of militias, the form of all public services, office work, ambulance, police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations are all like ours, both in form and in essence. Just as long as they get used to the form of work as in Russia, well and after some time, these are our fellow citizens. I am really looking forward to this day ...
    1. kunstkammer 3 November 2015 21: 42 New
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      Well, after some time, these are our fellow citizens

      First, let the enterprises of the republics stop paying taxes to Kiev ...
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        pay taxes to Kiev

        Do they pay? Through Privatbank, no?
  33. Kvadrofon 3 November 2015 21: 30 New
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    You can throw me tomatoes. But from the very beginning of the formation of these pseudo-republics, I did not have the slightest confidence in the happy outcome of their undertakings. Firstly: it is not necessary to say that they are our blood brothers there, that geographically these are our ancestral lands, it was the devil knows when. Now a different world, different morals and mentality. Secondly: these are the same Ukrainians, as throughout the rest of Ukraine, they only speak something similar to Russian. And as smart people said, a crest will always be my enemy, I will always chase my own profit and sell everyone and everything for its sake. In Crimea and Sevastopol, we also have a versatile perception of the present. Those who were originally Russian, i.e. for several generations he constantly lived on the territory of Russia (within the present borders), and he ended up on the territory of Crimea and Sevastopol, owing to the duty of his parents in the Soviet times, have a different attitude and concept of what is happening. Your humble servant believes that it makes no sense to pull out these failed territorial entities from the ass until they are ruled by really honest people fighting for the people and prosperity of the republics.
    PS I don’t think that we (in Russia) have all the angels, but paying attention to the majority of sane politicians, I hope we will overcome this chaos!
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      You can throw me tomatoes

      Sorry, not the season. Will the marinated ones get off?
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      Thanks for the permission, consider that already ..
      “As smart people said” - that's cool!
      You can also "yesterday I heard in the tram" or "just read it on the fence the other day."
      You can expand your views on words, letters, punctuation marks. But why?
      As I understand it, specifically you pulled out of shit, and those who stayed there, you deeply despise. For not fucking.

      Well, what should I call it? ...
  34. kunstkammer 3 November 2015 21: 39 New
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    saloids

    do not bad about fat .. I also love fat, especially with pickles and vodka ...
    but otherwise, everything is correct.
  35. Gato 3 November 2015 22: 06 New
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    My personal opinion: the Abkhaz scenario is a frozen conflict with disputed territories. Ukraine will never be able to take away, and Russia will never give.
    But sooner or later everything will settle down.
  36. Reptiloid 3 November 2015 22: 47 New
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    The words “historical justice” are how I understand what is happening, but they contain a lot of things. It’s not a slogan for those going to war, this is my personal understanding.
    Quote: Gato
    My personal opinion: the Abkhaz scenario is a frozen conflict with disputed territories. Ukraine will never be able to take away, and Russia will never give.
    But sooner or later everything will settle down.

    On the second or first page from the end, i.e. for August, in the comments I have published the poem “it’s good to be a tailor ...” This is my personal feelings, my emotions. But Kvadrofon has other thoughts.
  37. vladimirvn 4 November 2015 09: 53 New
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    But today there are no Spiritual giants among the Slavs: some rested in the Bose, others were torn to pieces, others were sold to adversaries, and some served monsters, not even realizing it because of an unrighteous way of life and thinking ... Instead of a wise conciliar policy in the interests of all Slavs the rulers, secret and overt, preferred an orientation toward creating prosperity to a narrow handful of elites to the detriment of the unity and consolidation of the actions of the population of the Slavic countries. The result is the almost accomplished loss of Slavic national identity, whose consciousness was captured by the blessed myth of a single humanity that has stepped over the national idea in favor of the citizens of the world. At the same time, they somehow forget that universal values ​​do not include nations and peoples in the united humanity. And the Slavs as such are not provided for in this conglomerate of cosmopolitans. http://staretz.narod.ru/publish/nac_bez_i_geopolitika/slaviansky_rubej.htm
  38. pentarhist 4 November 2015 13: 50 New
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    ... Maximum ALL summer refugee camps in 2014 offered places for about 50 thousand people. But already in the fall of 2014, all these camps were closed and refugees were placed in permanent temporary residence centers. Moreover, their capacity is not more than 20 thousand for the whole of Russia. About 500 thousand refugees settled with relatives and friends. In September this year, the Investigative Committee announced the figure: Russia spent 4 billion rubles on receiving refugees, and all aid to Ukrainians, including humanitarian convoys to Donetsk and Lugansk, cost Russia 11 billion rubles. 4 billion, based on the norms that are spent on the maintenance and stay of refugees - this is approximately the maintenance of only 13 people during the year, according to the norms laid down in legislation. That's what the Russian budget spent on the maintenance of ALL refugees!
    At the same time, in Moscow alone, for example, since the beginning of this year, labor migrants have received about 400 patents for work, from which the Moscow budget received 000 billion personal income tax rubles, and more than 7,5 were received from the FMS “works” in regional budgets. 24,2 billion rubles. This is the question of the “cost” of Ukrainian refugees for the Russian budget!

    But the main trouble for the refugees who came to Russia is the complete discrepancy between what they expected and what they faced ...

    http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/97043.html
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      Quote: pentarhist
      Maximum ALL 2014 summer refugee camps offered places for approximately 50 thousand people. But already in the fall of 2014, all these camps were closed and refugees were placed in permanent temporary residence centers. Moreover, their capacity is not more than 20 thousand for the whole of Russia. About 500 thousand refugees settled with relatives and friends. In September this year, the Investigative Committee announced the figure: Russia spent 4 billion rubles on receiving refugees, and all aid to Ukrainians, including humanitarian convoys to Donetsk and Lugansk, cost Russia 11 billion rubles. 4 billion, based on the norms that are spent on the maintenance and stay of refugees - this is approximately the maintenance of only 13 people during the year, according to the norms laid down in legislation. That's what the Russian budget spent on the maintenance of ALL refugees!
      At the same time, in Moscow alone, for example, since the beginning of this year, labor migrants have received about 400 patents for work, from which the Moscow budget received 000 billion personal income tax rubles, and more than 7,5 were received from the FMS “works” in regional budgets. 24,2 billion rubles. This is the question of the “cost” of Ukrainian refugees for the Russian budget!

      This is not confirmed by anything - I can easily justify the opposite to you - and you won’t answer me in any way - because the numbers are taken from the ceiling.
      The fact that the bureaucracy is hitting everyone and us (that is, Russians) in the first place is very bad and we really have to fight this.
      Quote: pentarhist
      But the main trouble for the refugees who came to Russia is the complete discrepancy between what they expected and what they faced ...
      http://alex-anpilogov.livejournal.com/97043.html

      This is not our problem. And the reference to the writings - in general, these are anti-Russian statements - is the next stage of the war against Russia. What is not written there correctly? Literally everything. Starting from digits that are not confirmed by anything (give at least a reference to regulatory documents, official statistics, a calculation method) and ending with what is in Russia, it turns out for refugees - not a paradise on earth! You might think that all Russians have a paradise around. Forgot how Ukrainians were placed in the territories of resort bases, sanatoriums. They brought them clothes, food. And they - do not like it - they say, they drag the junk. And they won’t go to work for 15 thousand. But our Russians - nothing - work for that kind of money.
      No need to pour mud on those who help you. And you do not need to see earthly paradise wherever we are. Otherwise, the soul is restless and the thoughts lousy climb into the head. But in order not to have this - you need to take care of yourself ...