The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

The preferential migration regime granted to Ukrainian citizens is no longer valid. Preferential conditions of stay in the Russian Federation are reserved only for refugees from Donbass, reports RIA News.




The agency recalls that the preferential treatment was introduced for Ukrainians last year "in connection with the hostilities in the east of the country." To extend the period of stay in the territory of the Russian Federation, it was enough for citizens of Ukraine to apply with a passport and migration card to the FMS. The rule was valid until 1 August 2015.

“Now Ukrainians will be able to stay in Russia on the general rules: no more than 90 days within six months. For a long stay in Russia, they need to either obtain a work permit or issue another suitable status, ”the agency writes.

FMS RF 1 August gave Ukrainian 90 migrants days to determine their status. Those who wanted to stay could easily get permits for work. This is a general rule for all migrants from CIS countries with whom visa-free relations are established.

Those who have not legalized during this time will have to leave Russia within 30 days, otherwise they will be denied entry for a period from 3 to 10 years.

For residents of Donbass preferential treatment extended. In total, there are about 1 million of immigrants from the east of Ukraine in the Russian Federation. The total number of Ukrainians in Russia is 2,6 million.
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  1. Observer2014 1 November 2015 11: 16 New
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    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
    But this had to be done for a long time. If you were to go on a visit only or forever. And from Donbass, people should simplify their stay. There shouldn't be any “money-makers” here!
    1. Lord of the Sith 1 November 2015 11: 19 New
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      They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

      Overview of the situation in Donetsk

      It is sad, but the AFU command does not change its habits - to start shelling on Friday evening and until Monday morning. So it happened this time:
      On Friday evening, at about 18:00 p.m., shelling began from a small-arms fighter from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Peski at the positions of the militia at the traffic police post. Then, the Ukrainian fascists began shelling the village of Vodyanoye. BCH began to respond, a short shooting battle ensued. A little later, after about an hour, the Ukrainian mortar battery opened fire. They beat as usual "where the Ukrainian will send", that is, in residential areas, one civilian was wounded in the village of Vodyanoye, they said that a militia was also killed, but then the rumors were not confirmed. But ukrov, judging by the radio interception, from the return fire of the militia, one 200th and one 300th. Nonetheless, the mortar battery operated for two more hours intermittently in residential areas.
      On Saturday morning, as we are accustomed to, mortar shelling began again. He was in the area of ​​the railway station and clearly heard 120-mm mines falling at Oktyabrsky, or maybe at the airport. Who does not know, the Oktyabrsky microdistrict begins right after the railway station, stretches north to the airport and the village of Vodyanoye.
      The most interesting thing is that at the station itself and at the bazaar, people did not even scatter or fall to the ground, they got used to this cannonade for a year and a half. In stores, prices are rising, and pensions are at the same level, so people, despite the risk of being killed by a splinter, go to the bazaar to buy at least something for their pennies, where food prices are lower. But in general, terrible things, you imagine - a European or North American city, mines arrive, and earlier shells, but people are not afraid, but in a hurry. That's right, you can’t imagine ... This went on for about 4 hours with breaks between volleys, apparently the Ukrainian battery was changing positions. It was quiet during the day, and again in the evening from 18 to 22, mines began to pour again at our houses and again intermittently. They’ll do their dirty work, too, oh, these sprinters, they would need to tear off their legs ...
      I have many relatives and friends on Ukrainian territory, some have old people left there and cannot be abandoned, some have small children, so far they have not left and live. As they say, we call up and correspond, so relatives and friends in their villages noticed a large number of new soldiers, the uniforms on them are completely different and everything with backpacks behind their backs. The new ones are immediately evident, those soldiers who have been sitting here in the villages for a year look like homeless people, and they already know the villages, especially the two roads - to the liquor store and the post office, to send to their wives that we have been robbed. And these new arrivals, firstly there are many, up to several hundred, secondly they are dressed all the same, and still look neat, and in the third I don’t know anything and walk around wandering with a dull look, like beaten dogs. Compare on various videos, what a cheerful mood among the defenders of New Russia and these “dill”, but simply the Nazis with grim faces and dead eyes.
      In general, they brought them to hell. They only have a rotation for them, and maybe they are preparing for the offensive, but it’s for sure not for the winter!
      What Sunday will show, let's see.

      All patience and be healthy!
      1. avt
        avt 1 November 2015 11: 26 New
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        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        They say fake

        No, they really canceled it, the only question is how they will execute, well, what directive did they go to places - tighten the nuts, or rush in a hurry. By the way, DAM signed the promise to Ssynukovich in case of signing an agreement with the EU and postponed until 2016 - the abolition of preferential customs tariffs on the remaining delivered products from Ukraine.
        Quote: stock buildbat
        I don’t understand what kind of refugees, and even with a preferential regime, they can be from Galicia, Lviv, Poltava, etc.,

        You confuse the concept - then, so that they wouldn’t give the army the benefit of being ALL, especially, and now they specifically decided to ask the visitors a question - Who are you? You’ll decide whether you want citizenship, a refugee, or you’ve come to work and that’s normal, and the right time was a wagon and a trolley in addition, to decide and even get settled. But what a cut Benny started with Offal! It's expensive to watch! laughing Gunpowder went all in for a bank - Odessa Bene, Transcarpathia blew up the Balogam, but decided to hit Beni’s very heart in Dnepropetrovsk. laughing
        1. hydrox 1 November 2015 11: 40 New
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          Quote: avt
          the only question is how they will execute


          But this had to be done earlier (to finish the deportation to the election process), but even now the political effect will be very significant - they will have something to compare, life in Russia and life in Ukria.
          1. victor 1 November 2015 20: 47 New
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            Goodbye to the unwashed Russia !!!! Europe is waiting !!! It remains only to dig an underground passage. They won’t give a visa. But nothing - a muzzle with a wax, hair with curlers - and dance a europ - soon you will ... If necessary, we will accept Islam.
        2. Lelek 1 November 2015 12: 10 New
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          Quote: avt
          decide whether you want citizenship, a refugee, or you came to work and that’s normal, and the right time was a car and a trolley in addition


          Right. But Ukrainian emigrants expected to sit out, resolve, but did not resolve. But picking them out of cities and weights is not an easy task. Some without registration have been living for 5 years and are not going to register. Here the task for district police officers (hemorrhoids, of course) is to work hard.
          1. Rostov 1 November 2015 13: 52 New
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            Quote: Lelek
            But picking them out of cities and weights is not an easy task.

            Come on. It depends on what task will be set. If instructions come to the headquarters, then they will pick it up in a week, it has been checked on Tajiks and Georgians at one time.
            Quote: Lelek
            Here the task for the district (hemorrhoids, of course) - you have to work hard

            If the district policeman is permanent, then he knows everyone who lives, where he works or works part-time. The problem is that there are not so many of them left now. But I repeat, if there is a necessary instruction, 90% of illegal immigrants will work out in a week, if only the courts have time to make decisions, and the bailiffs should be deported.
        3. captain 1 November 2015 12: 16 New
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          I can’t understand only one thing, why can’t you simplify obtaining citizenship for Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs .... living in the territory of the former Soviet Union republics? And for the indigenous nationalities of the Russian Federation to make it on the principle of "blood"? We have a resettlement program for "compatriots", I advise commentators to ask where people are offered to go, what to live in, where and by whom to work. In my opinion, it certainly does not solve anything, but I think that our state needs to invite, lure, persuade, etc., all Russians, Tatars .... and representatives of other indigenous peoples of Russia to us. With our vast territory, we need, if we believe our scientists 500mln inhabitants, that we have a normal economy. At such a population growth rate as ours, we will never achieve this.
          1. rom8726
            rom8726 1 November 2015 12: 59 New
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            That's right. First, they yell that the population is small, we will protect all Russians, the collapse of the USSR is the greatest tragedy and 25 million Russians have remained abroad, but in reality nobody needs anyone.
            1. rom8726
              rom8726 1 November 2015 13: 01 New
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              And if there is no type work for them - to expel one million two Tajik guest workers and there will be work
              1. Starley from the south 4 November 2015 01: 54 New
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                Quote: rom8726
                And if there is no type work for them - to expel one million two Tajik guest workers and there will be work

                What are the poor Tajiks guilty of? They are definitely better than dill.
            2. rom8726
              rom8726 1 November 2015 13: 02 New
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              Nigretos or some Sasha Gray are given the same citizenship, and without any problems
              1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 16: 15 New
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                For such a chased "African American" one of our moderators slapped me a warning!
                1. segamegament 1 November 2015 23: 30 New
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                  Indians live in India, Indians in America (well, they should have lived), and Negroes in Africa, why the ban?
                2. edge 2 November 2015 06: 36 New
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                  Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov
                  For such a chased "African American" one of our moderators slapped me a warning!

                  well, it’s understandable, a server is in Germany, it’s worth it
            3. Cen2rion 1 November 2015 13: 24 New
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              I agree! Last May, my dad and mother left Donetsk under the whistle of mortar fragments, from the very frontier, from the village of Oktyabrsky. Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape. At all instances, more than once passed. This is necessary, then .... Everything goes with a creak. But the native Russian, from the Novgorod region and Izhevsk. Where are all the loud statements about repatriation, where are the preferential conditions for refugees? ... The bureaucracy is invincible ????
              1. Tusv 1 November 2015 13: 44 New
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                Quote: Cen2rion
                Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape.

                Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?
                1. Tusv 1 November 2015 14: 12 New
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                  In vain, put the cons
                  Where are all the loud statements about repatriation, where are the preferential conditions for refugees? ... The bureaucracy is invincible ????

                  And who promised you the Leningrad and Moscow registration?
                  The law works. Allocate land for free. Just did not try to get it
                  1. BARKHAN 1 November 2015 18: 05 New
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                    The man writes that his parents came to him ... please read carefully.
                    FMS works more efficiently in Penza. I personally know 5 families from the Donbass, all with children. We got citizenship in about six months, work right away ... the children, they proudly say, “We are Russians!” let him wash. And if, someone is banderized at least a little, to drive without a conversation ... Europeans, fuck the Europeans!
                    1. Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 00 New
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                      Here near Rostov-on-Don, “refugees” from Ukropia (not from Donbass) tried to pump up rights, so they put up with them for a short while, drove the buses and “wind up to their Dnepropetrovsk, they don’t shoot there.” So these "refugees" vividly quieted down and now do not arise. It all depends on local authorities.
                2. 97110 3 November 2015 09: 12 New
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                  Quote: Tusv
                  Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

                  Mother-in-law. Born in the Yaroslavl region In the Far East, I met my future husband. Having built what the Komsomol members needed, they left for their husband’s homeland. Not abroad, as you understand. To Ukraine, to Donbass. The husband was dismissed for official inconsistency. She raised, gave higher education to two daughters, who long ago in Russia. Since November 2013, she has already been taken out 2 times, we are applying for citizenship. Now she has fled to the Donbass again, she is looking for her pension. Broken glass (hail passed) partially inserted, lives. You have to take it back again. She has nobody there! Here (in Russia) there are 2 daughters, 2 grandchildren and a granddaughter, 2 great-grandchildren and are still waiting. Ukrainian passport with a note that the person is in the process ... And she is over 80 already. Answered you?
              2. Gloomstar 1 November 2015 16: 23 New
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                Citizens of the CIS receive a simplification, and within six months you can get it, but for this you need to collect documents, your wife did, so what you write is an exaggeration. Who wants to get it, and who said that everything will be brought to you on a silver platter, but I had to run but nothing, there is a result, so cry less and collect documents hard and go, there are not so many of them, you just need to know which sites where This procedure is fully described.
                1. alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 46 New
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                  here I don’t lie, I was born in Russia but I can’t get a passport 2 years FMS pulls although I have to get it in a simplified form
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 10: 11 New
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                    Quote: alekc75
                    don't lie here

                    he doesn’t lie, mom got for 3 months I'm for 6
                  2. yastr 2 November 2015 19: 15 New
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                    And I was born in Belarus, I got citizenship with my mother for three years (my father received it automatically, a serviceman of the Russian Federation), although I never had any other, my mother generally had a USSR passport until 1999 ..
                    And then, we were lucky, clung to the fact that the mother lived with his father in Serpukhov for a year, while he was finishing school.
                  3. Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 03 New
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                    Quote: alekc75
                    passport can not get xnumx year fms pulls

                    The FMS in this case violates the law, definitely!
              3. Sinbad 3 November 2015 21: 35 New
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                It's time to create a website where to lay out the names and positions of bureaucrats, draggers and bribes, with a description of their actions. Let the people know their "heroes."
            4. Mihalich17 2 November 2015 08: 12 New
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              Sorry, but let me disagree with you!
              I think your conclusions are erroneous, emotional, and completely unreasonable regarding Donbass, including! Let's flood less and if you have something to say, bring the facts!
              Regards, to your opinion!
          2. your1970 1 November 2015 18: 04 New
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            We arrived, met well, lived 4 months, said, "We are not used to living like that," and left for the Moscow region ..
            With our vast territory - 3 / 5 territories are not suitable for a comfortable life and 9 / 10 are not provided with work ..
          3. Ajevgenij 1 November 2015 22: 51 New
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            I personally had to deal with this program (compatriots resettlement program). I can say this is pure props and assimilation of state. the budget. There is such a lot of pieces of paper and bureaucracy, just get lost. Despite the fact that there are no guarantees about obtaining citizenship. And the very salt in the registration. If no one prescribes you in the Russian Federation, then all the efforts and money spent on the move will be reset to zero, so I was forced to refuse to move to the Russian Federation.
            State Declarations officials is one thing, but the real thing is the opposite.
            1. alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 48 New
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              it's for sure- time and a bunch of papers and wait 2 years
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2015 22: 08 New
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                Quote: alekc75
                a bunch of papers and wait 2 years

                I wonder why lying or writing something you don’t know? !!
            2. Sinbad 3 November 2015 21: 40 New
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              I repeat - it’s not the program, but the specific officials.
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2015 22: 02 New
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              Quote: Ajevgenij
              I personally had to deal with this program (compatriots resettlement program). I can say this is pure props and assimilation of state. the budget. There is such a lot of pieces of paper and bureaucracy, just get lost.

              can you call this "bunch" ?!

              Quote: Ajevgenij
              Despite the fact that there are no guarantees about obtaining citizenship

              but this is pure lies
              Quote: Ajevgenij
              If no one prescribes you in the Russian Federation, then all the efforts and money spent on moving will be reset to zero,

              do not write nonsense
              Quote: Ajevgenij
              Therefore, he was forced to refuse to move to the Russian Federation.

              I think that's not why
              1. Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 12 New
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                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir

                I do not agree. Some articles in the laws on refugees and immigrants are spelled out clearly, everything goes as it should. And where different interpretations are possible, there is expanse for officials and bribes. Therefore, they are pulled up to 2 years. With a voice recorder, and even better with a video camera, you need to go to them and record them - for some competent authorities such recordings can be very useful.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2015 08: 23 New
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                  Quote: Starley from the South
                  Some articles in the laws on refugees and immigrants

                  actually a friend wrote specifically about the resettlement program
          4. Down House 3 November 2015 09: 32 New
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            Quote: captain
            With our vast territory, we need, according to our scientists, 500 million inhabitants, so that we have a normal economy.

            A link to these scientists can be?
            The main thing is that not at the beginning of the 20th century - the calculations of these scientists after 100 years are no longer relevant: one robot replaces 100 workers, one tractor replaces 10 peasants, one machine replaces the cashier))
            1. Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 13 New
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              Quote: Down House
              one robot replaces 100 workers,

              Can't you give a link to the robot?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2015 08: 24 New
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                http://dairy-farm.ru/doilnye-zaly
        4. Vladimir 1964 1 November 2015 13: 14 New
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          Quote: avt
          No, they really canceled it, the only question is how they will execute, well, what directive did they go to places - tighten the nuts, or rush in a hurry


          This is the most interesting moment, two families from Ukraine have been renting apartments in my house for more than a year, and somehow they don’t bother registering or patrolling themselves, they work for themselves, they install air conditioners, shutters, etc. etc. And by the way, they themselves are far from the Donbass.

          Something like this is, Dear colleagues. hi
      2. Baikonur 1 November 2015 11: 28 New
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        On Friday evening, at about 18:00 p.m., shelling began from a small-arms fighter from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Peski at the positions of the militia at the traffic police post. Then, the Ukrainian fascists began shelling the village of Vodyanoye.

        I sympathize! Lord of the Sith, but why not destroy? Why are they suffering? No strength left? You can not get caught in the OSCE? WHAT? restrains from cutting out these carbohydrates at night, in the morning, quietly, when everyone obsesses sleep sweetly? And so that no one would guess! OPERATING "S"!
        And the dawns here are quiet!
        1. Lord of the Sith 1 November 2015 11: 39 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          I sympathize! Lord of the Sith, but why not destroy? Why are they suffering? No strength left? You can not get caught in the OSCE? WHAT? restrains from cutting out these carbohydrates at night, in the morning, quietly, when everyone obsesses sleep sweetly? And so that no one would guess! OPERATING "S"!
          And the dawns here are quiet!

          Usually they cover the art like this, not letting them relax for several hours or days, and then the militia makes a short art raid and covers the lazy ones to change the position of the Ukrainian artillerymen.
          1. Baikonur 1 November 2015 19: 17 New
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            I said, I asked why not:
            cut these carbohydrates at night, in the morning, quiet

            And not about
            then the militia makes a short art plaque and covers, lazy, to change the position of Ukrainian artillerymen.

            I'm talking about quiet intelligence operations using decomp. special means and leaving a black mark from "everyone knows!" hi rebel-separatist-impudent grouping, which no one knows from the country of OZ, which no one knows, so as not to substitute LDNR and Russia! Having said: "We ourselves do not know them, these are some kind of psychos insane, we are looking for when we find, we will destroy!"
            1. edge 2 November 2015 06: 43 New
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              Quote: Baikonur
              I'm talking about quiet intelligence operations using decomp. special means and leaving a black mark from "everyone knows!"

              be friends with my friend’s head, first try at least to go to a piglet with a knife .....
      3. SeAl2014 1 November 2015 11: 33 New
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        Not a fake. Right And it is right.
      4. Rom14 1 November 2015 13: 11 New
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        if they are allowed and they fire ..., we weren’t sent perfumes for a long time in Afghanistan .., they weren’t allowed, and we didn’t have any corrector drones and didn’t hear about thermal imagers, and if only the border guards have night vision devices one thousand versts .. of course they hit us from around the corner and from the mountain, but so that, with impunity from the plain and famous places, some savagery .. Maybe something I don’t understand ..
        1. edge 2 November 2015 06: 46 New
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          Quote: Rom14
          some wildness .. Maybe something I don’t understand ..

          I don’t like that they forgot about them ... The Geyropa is worried about the emigrants (it will be hard for the rainbow ones to have to run away from .... or dress up as a burqa) .... and partially Syria.
      5. Tor5
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        Lord of the Sith (1) SU  Today, 11:19 ↑


        They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

        Overview of the situation in Donetsk

        Thank you, dear Friend for the next, honest and truthful story!
      6. Normal ok 1 November 2015 21: 30 New
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        Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.
        1. Lord of the Sith 1 November 2015 21: 33 New
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          Quote: Normal ok
          Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

          I answer. Peski village 4km from my house, Ukrainians are standing there, fire is being fired from the line of Peski village and the village of Experienced at Oktyabrsky and the airport, which are 1,2 km from the village of Peski.
        2. svp67 4 November 2015 11: 58 New
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          Quote: Normal ok
          Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

          This is if you use a mortar, and if you shoot from 120 mm NONA, then the radius increases to 12 km so that we take a compass and draw two circles from the places where the mines fall, according to the scale of the map or plans ...
    2. bulvas 1 November 2015 11: 20 New
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      Now they will often have to enjoy the ban on flights between Russia and Ukraine

      1. forest park 86 1 November 2015 15: 44 New
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        let them go on foot, ghouls
    3. Finches 1 November 2015 11: 21 New
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      I understand! That people didn’t come from a good life! They need to feed their families and survive, but as soon as I hear a southern Ukrainian dialect somewhere on Sennaya, Nevsky or Angliysky Prospekt, hatred captures me - why not here?
      in his European, prosperous state, not in his beloved Europe, or not from his masters in Washington ???
      I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!
      1. vladek64 1 November 2015 11: 42 New
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        Quote: Finches
        I hear the southern Ukrainian dialect, then hatred captures me right after all


        Hatred is a bad adviser.
        In this case, hatred pushes you to consider ALL Ukrainians equally bad (Bandera, fascists, etc.). Do not let hatred blind you. Firstly, all 40 million or more cannot be Bandera. And secondly, such thoughts are actively propagated (both in Russia and Ukraine) by Western "friends" so that mutual hatred encourages the Slavs to kill each other.
        After all, if all the inhabitants of Ukraine are bastards, then they can drop a nuclear bomb on them. So what? Bastards do not mind.

        Do not succumb to hatred. There are a lot of good people in Ukraine. Many who are for Russia. And many would like to help Russia, but only Russia does not conduct any work with them. And this is one of the reasons why they cannot manifest themselves in any way.
        1. Finches 1 November 2015 11: 55 New
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          I have already spoken about this many times here, about the good and bad Ukrainians, but I can not help myself! And when I hear the south-Ukrainian dialect, I remember Bogomolov “In August of the 44th” and imagine the number of banderers who shot our fighters in the back, and kindly they didn’t kill them, kind Russia released them from the camps and appointed a pension — here they are and through their fosterlings now kindly and answer:

          "Features ... Speaks with a South Russian accent ... And, perhaps ... crooked legs ... South Russian talk! .. Faster! .. Konovalov? Konovalov has a duck nose ... Golovatenko? .. Tattoo on the wrist left hand ... Yakovlev Ivan? .. Short upper lip ... Mazanov? .. Caught! Stepanov? .. Tall, thin, with a prominent Adam's apple ... Shimko? Brunet! .. Fedulov? .. Eyebrows twisty, wide , visibly mows ... Eliseev? .. Ivanitsky? .. Serdyuk? .. Netrebin? .. Gulyaev? .. Orlov Vasily? .. Terentyev? .. Filippenko? .. Lisetskiy? .. Pominov? .. South Russian dialect and slightly curved legs! .. Think! .. Think faster and do not be silent! ..

          Kosheva? Hazel eyes, on ... left cheek ... Alekseev? .. Fused eyebrows, concave anti-tragus ... Scab? .. Caught! Ignatov Vasily? .. Brunet! Revyakin? .. Boychevsky? .. Lysenko? .. Guryanov Denis? .. Wormwood? .. Mishchenko? ..

          Mishchenko? !! South Russian dialect ... crooked, like cavalrymen’s legs ... eyes with narrowed eyes ... Is it possible Mishchenko ?! A verbal portrait ... Perhaps ... Mishchenko is nine hundred and five ... He is thirty-nine ... And this? ... thirty-five? Forty? ... Is it really Mishchenko ?!

          Documents - openwork! A mosquito nose will not smack! If it is linden, then the highest quality. A linden that you can’t take visually, for which - the state! Who are they?! .. And if ... How then are they? .. Mishchenko is especially dangerous when detained! .. Don’t delay ... Is it really Mishchenko? .. "


          And for me the moment of truth has come! "Grandma has arrived!" It’s good to sit on the neck of Russia, while constantly pouring mud!
          1. vladek64 1 November 2015 12: 37 New
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            Quote: Finches
            Imagine the number of bander that shot our fighters in the back,


            And why do not you imagine other "quantities"? For instance:
            "- 17.4%, or 2021 people out of 11 603, Ukrainians are Heroes of the Soviet Union since the Great Patriotic War"
            "- 25% twice Heroes of the Soviet Union come from Ukraine"

            Just think: who benefits from your hatred? Obviously not in Russia's favor.

            Well, some more numbers:
            1. Finches 1 November 2015 12: 50 New
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              Do not distort! Your friends, Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, betrayed the memory of all those who died in a terrible massacre, equating them with the invaders, and elevating Nazi accomplices to the rank of national heroes! Moreover, most Ukrainians were silent for 23 years watching this!
              I’m talking about my personal feelings of communicating with the Ukrainians of today - not those who have lived in Russia all their lives, and from there come in large numbers - boorish, neglectful of Russians towards us! As for work - they rummage around like pigs in oranges - I want it, I don’t want it ... They say we are Ukrainians - Europeans, and you are not a decree to us barbarians!
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                Quote: Finches
                Your friends Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, equating them with the invaders!


                I myself live in Ukraine. Also in the "aspen nest" - Dnepropetrovsk.
                Neither my friends nor I spat on the Heroes of the Soviet Union, but on the contrary, went out on May 9 to congratulate them. And now it’s not safe ...

                Why do you hate me and my friends?

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                I'm talking about my personal feelings of communication with the Ukrainians of today

                You again try to smear all with one paint. Are the Russians of the same color surrounding you? Or is the Russian "liberal opposition" closer to you than pro-Russian Ukrainians?
                1. Finches 1 November 2015 13: 23 New
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                  Good! You and your friends are normal people, but let me, if you decide to speak the language of statistics, see the preliminary results of the last elections in Ukraine (data from the Donbass website http://www.donbass-info.com/content/view/24566/ 24577 /):

                  "Who goes to the city councils of the largest cities?

                  For example, in the capital, according to a survey on the elections to the Kiev City Council, the BPP- Solidarity pro-presidential force retains leadership from 18,2%, the second place went to Yulia Tymoshenko’s “Fatherland” party from 15,1%, the Samopomich Association closed the first three "- 11,1%, in the fourth place, the Lyashko Radical Party - 8,6%, and the Democratic Alliance lacks 0,5% to overcome the passing barrier.

                  The new political projects Gromadskaya Position, UKROP, the Movement for Reform, the Ordinary People Party and the Decisive Citizens Party are at the level of statistical error. Although there is another sociology that demonstrates that, in addition to the three leaders, in the City Council "Movement for Reform"; "UKROP", "Unity" and "Party of Decisive Citizens" and VO "Freedom".

                  Among the six parties passing in the city council of Lviv, three are non-parliamentary. “Samopomich” received 32,9% of the electoral support vote, 6,9% of Lviv are ready to vote for the Solidarity BPP, “Our land” party closes the top three - 6% of respondents would vote for it. Next come Civic Position (5,8%), VO Svoboda (5,6%) and People's Control (4,3%).

                  Five parties confidently pass into the city council of Dnepropetrovsk: “Opposition bloc”, “UKROP”, “Gromadska sila”, “Self-help association” and “Petro Poroshenko bloc”.
                  Five parties can go to the Kharkov City Council on the results of the October 25 elections. Vozrozhdenie, the first number on the electoral list of which is Gennady Kernes, with a result of 30,8%, Samopomich Association - 8,65%, Our Land - 6,2%, Petro Poroshenko Bloc Solidarity - 5,4 , 4,9%, People’s Control is on the verge of a passing barrier - XNUMX%.
                  In Odessa, according to the survey, the party "Trust in Affairs" of the current mayor Gennady Trukhanov in the elections to the City Council is gaining about 40%. BPP, Opposition Bloc, Ukrainian Sea Party Sergei Kivalov and Samopomich overcome the 5% barrier, but are significantly behind the party of the current mayor. The party "Fatherland", referring to their data, expect to collect 10% of the vote in city elections.
                  In Zaporozhye, six parties fall into the city council: Opposition Bloc, Solidarity, UKROP, Our Land, Fatherland and Samopomich.
                  In Nikolaev, five parties fall into the city council: Oppoblok, Our Land, Samopomich, Solidarity, and Renaissance.
                  In Vinnitsa, victory in the elections to the City Council is predicted by the rookie party "Vinnitsa European Strategy" by Vladimir Groisman.


                  As we see, and you know better than me the political programs of these parties, nothing seems to change in Ukrainian politics! A more or less sane “Opposition bloc”, but he only wins a little bit in the eastern regions, and he is also a fan of talking about the features of the Ukrainian way!

                  How do you comment on these election results?
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                    Quote: Finches
                    How do you comment on these election results?


                    For starters, see how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%. Less than half.
                    And now let's look at the nest of the party Dill - Dnepropetrovsk.
                    Patrimony of the Kolomoisky creator of the Dill party.
                    According to the results of voting, Dill scored 25% of the vote. That is a quarter of the 43% of voters who came !!! That is, a little more than 10% of voters voted for Dill !!!
                    And this, in spite of the fact that their headquarters are here, dill is pasted over the whole city, from all screens and radio their advertisements. In the end, here is "the most powerful Jewish community in the world," as the Israeli Prime Minister said when he visited Dnepropetrovsk several years ago.

                    So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you recall the Maidan, then less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there. And as the attempts to organize the Maidan this summer have shown, this is unrealistic without powerful foreign intervention.

                    As for the sanity of the "opposition bloc" do not rush to conclusions. The leader of this bloc is the former governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region. And there are no illusions about him and his team here. Just of two evils, people tried to choose the lesser. A massive psychological pressure from the media greatly prevented people from thinking with their own heads. My relative voted for Dill. Why she did this she could not explain (there is clearly some kind of zombie effect). Alas, this is the ugly face of universal suffrage: when homeless people, drug addicts, criminals in colonies, lunatics in madhouses, and housewives take part in the elections.
                    1. Finches 1 November 2015 14: 49 New
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                      Okay, why argue that? I heard you, and if we put aside emotions, I understood perfectly, but unfortunately, the fact remains that Ukraine made its choice. Rather, what was left in it, except for Crimea, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. I didn’t even do it today, and not yesterday, but 23 years ago! There are other examples in the post-Soviet space: Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and other former republics. ... we haven’t slipped to such an outspoken Russophobia! We have worthy and mutually beneficial relations with Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan lies a little under the Americans, but not so openly as Ukraine, Turkmenistan - it’s on its own mind ... Only Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states, but I don’t take those into account, they are not even Slavs and all my life they creeped at Western values, fell to the lowest level of political prostitution! We will leave the same to Genatsvale aside, but Ukraine, a Slavic and Orthodox country, has, among other things, also reached frenzied national-fascism!

                      The slogan "Ukraine is tse Europe", "Ukraine pane mustache", "Mos ... lyak on gilyaku", torchlight processions in the center of Kiev and the Bender cry "Glory to Ukraine", a civil war against its people, burned Odessa ... - there is eloquent indicators of the current state of affairs in Ukraine, and what really happens in the minds of people, not yours, I apologize for the election figures!

                      Yours! hi
                      1. vladek64 1 November 2015 17: 16 New
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                        Ukraine made its choice

                        You repeat a widespread mistake, believing that Ukraine has the opportunity to choose something. I have repeatedly written that Ukraine is not a subject of international relations, but an object. She is not among the players - she is a chessboard on which many players play their games. Just a battlefield. And Ukrainians had the "happiness" to live on the battlefield. The opinion of those who live on the battlefield is not particularly interested in anyone, because all real players know that it costs nothing.
                      2. Finches 1 November 2015 17: 57 New
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                        Now, perhaps, yes! Ukraine is only a territory, but 23 years old, it was still the Republic of Ukraine ... Yes, I’m also in my native Kiev, how I relate to all this ... I certainly don’t tell me but by the construction of sentences and intonations, I understand that in all the modern troubles of Ukraine, they consider anyone, mainly Russia, but not themselves to blame ... So you do not surprise me at all, saying that Ukrainians do not solve anything!



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                        No need to live on the battlefield. They are fighting there! If you want to stay, choose a side and fight for it. Do not want to - run away, crawl away. But do not get in the way!
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                        No need to live on the battlefield.

                        Oh, if your words were heard by the inhabitants of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk ...
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                      Quote: vladek64
                      Ukraine is not a subject of international relations, but an object. She is not among the players - she is a chessboard on which many players play their games.

                      I bet the outskirts are not a board for games, this is a loop for a hook (stuck, stuck out ....)
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                      and who brought up young huh? not your generation ???
                  2. Roman13 1 November 2015 21: 30 New
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                    I absolutely agree with you. Ukraine can be said to betray the Slavic world and its history.
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                    I absolutely agree with you. Ukraine can be said to betray the Slavic world and its history.

                    but how else, let’s recall the history of the Tatars, Turks, Psheks, Germans, Swedes, French, and others for centuries .... they fucked the Slavic gene pool% 30 ... hi
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                    And in the other direction you have not enough mind to look?
              2. revnagan 4 November 2015 10: 53 New
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                the fact remains - Ukraine made its choice. Rather, what was left in it, except for Crimea, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

                Yes, if it weren’t for the operative intervention of the “polite,” then Crimea and Donbass would also have made their “choice”! Remember the events before the referendum in Crimea. The Tatars instantly organized, armed themselves, held rallies ... Just a little, and " the choice "would have been made. It is good that the" Golden Eagle "came from Kiev, the" green men "arrived, and the Tatars were shown who the real master was. And the Russian population could not organize on their own! God forbid Tatars with Bandera would prevail Would you also blame the Russians in Crimea for betrayal?
            2. vit8180 1 November 2015 16: 22 New
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              Hello everyone!
              vladek64, I want to ask you - "look how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%" - where are the remaining 60-57%? "My hut from the edge"? Or "do I need it"?
              "So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you recall the Maidan, then less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there." That's exactly what we judge by 99% of the population of Ukraine !!!
              Better look at DONBASS and LUGANS !!! Here they need !!! And they fight for every "HATU with the Land" !!!
              I repeat once again: Whoever wants to is looking for an opportunity! Who does not want - the reason ......
              1. vladek64 1 November 2015 17: 07 New
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                where are the remaining 60-57%? "My hut from the edge"? Or "do I need it"?

                Some part is really a "hut with the edge", but most simply could not make a choice among the offered varieties of shit.
                Do you think there was a choice in these elections? I can tell you what the choice was - among nationalists (fed by western and "southern" Russophobes) and among former Yanukovych regionals who under Yanukovych so enthusiastically participated in the sacking of the country by oligarchs that they did not even notice how this country was shamed. Do you think one of them causes sympathy among Ukrainians?
                Pro-Russian parties and politicians were destroyed and fled. Even pro-Russian media were closed, and Russian television channels were banned.
                My question is, why did not a single Russian channel appeal to the international court about a violation of freedom of speech? Waiting for a team from the Kremlin. And they either forgot to submit it, or vice versa - they gave the command to sit not rock the boat.

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                Better look at DONBASS and LUGANS !!!

                You better look yourself carefully at the Donbass. Even here, information has been published on the site about what is happening there. Russia had to significantly increase the corps of its "observers" so that LDNR did not finally slide into Makhnovism and banditry. Comparing the result with the number of killed and the scale of the destruction, many are very disappointed. If you notice, then somehow the desire to create people's republics passed among people. On the contrary, a powerful anti-Russian argument appeared - "Do you want it to be here like in the Donbass?" It refers to the victims and destruction and a completely incomprehensible future. Those who had hoped for help from Russia had almost ceased to hope.
              2. Finches 1 November 2015 18: 23 New
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                And here you are, dear vladek64, another sketch - look at the statistics I took from the Ukrainian site: http: //novosti-n.org/news/read/95430.html, about the dynamics of the state of the richest people in Ukraine! Very interesting data in fact - everything is in shit and only one d'Artagnan! Nevertheless, you do not arrange the Maidan, do not shout, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief, and his party, the PP bloc, goes to all the councils of Ukraine ......
              3. vladek64 1 November 2015 19: 59 New
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                Nevertheless, you do not suit the Maidan, do not scream, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief

                I did not arrange and do not arrange Maidan and do not shout "Thief!". Because I understand that after each Maidan it only gets worse.
                And only those who have a roof abroad can blame the authorities publicly for theft. And again: why? After a thief is publicly called a thief, what will he cry for and run away?

                And the picture that you showed is a typical oligarchic regime. Is Russia the times of Yeltsin really different from this? Or has the "Semibankirism" already been forgotten?
              4. Finches 1 November 2015 20: 48 New
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                With the graphics, I only wanted to show that the only person who is in the plus is President Poroshenko, the “popularly elected” president, who uses Ukraine as a cash cow! Nobody forgot Yeltsin.
                We went this way, but unlike the Ukrainians, we did not look for the roots of our problems in neighboring nations, especially in nations of the same faith! And we did not have Maidan ... There was the 93rd year and a fight between the executive and legislative powers, but not more!
                As long as the majority of Ukrainians who think like you do not unite, you will never have a state where a person will feel more or less calm! Anyway, you excuse me, Ukrainians don’t have the historical gene of statehood in their blood ... "A vulgar operetta ", recalling Bulgakov, periodically there is, but no state!
              5. vladek64 1 November 2015 21: 22 New
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                Forgive me, Ukrainians do not have the historical gene of statehood in their blood ... There is a “vulgar operetta”, recalling Bulgakov, periodically, but no state!


                As it is not offensive to the Ukrainians, I agree with you.
                Indeed, there is no "gene of statehood" in this territory. And all attempts to make the state turned into a “vulgar operetta”.
                I can’t deny that it really is, and I don’t want to defend the mess that is happening in Ukraine.

                The question is different. If Russia considers Ukraine its territory, then why does it allow its western "partners" to play "vulgar operetti" on its territory?
                If Russia does not consider Ukraine to be its territory, then what does it care about local "vulgar operets"?

                Now the policy of Russia is incomprehensible to many Ukrainians. And as I see from the comments, it is incomprehensible to many Russians. It seems the commander in chief said that the Russians and Ukrainians are one people, and many commentators from Russia insist that this is not so. Do you support Putin? Then why do you insist that the Ukrainians are some other (flawed) people?
              6. Finches 1 November 2015 21: 37 New
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                Most often these are emotions about the “flawed” people, but I really can’t fully understand our politics! I’ll say to myself, maybe you won’t like it very much, that I don’t consider our troops entering the territory of Ukraine in June 2014 to be a mistake that led to the current situation! But I’m not decreeing the Supreme ...
                Therefore, let us wish all of us wisdom! Politicians come and go, but nations remain!
                Thank you for the dialogue! Best regards hi
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                And thank you for the dialogue and its worthy conclusion. hi
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          Quote: vladek64
          Is Russia the times of Yeltsin really different from this? Or has the "Semibankirism" already been forgotten?

          -adolfo-hetmans in each volost; soon it will be more fun as soon as Poland begins the process of restitution of all Galicians will be torn out.
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        Nevertheless, you do not arrange the Maidan, do not shout, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief, and his party, the PP bloc, goes to all the councils of Ukraine ......

        This proves only one thing: Maydown was organized and paid from abroad. There is no funding, there is no Maidan. That's the whole "will of the people." from their admiringranits. And what is being built there is not clear. The Principality of Akhmet? Where is the people's self-government? There is none.
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      Honestly, your nagging is completely incomprehensible! Do you also think Russia is guilty of your troubles ?!
      - "Do you want here to be like in the Donbass?". It refers to the victims and destruction and a completely incomprehensible future. "Mr. good," Donetsk with Lugansk, do you think it turns out Russia has crushed it into flour! Doesn’t it seem to you that the passive part of 99% of the population of your “hut” allowed it? For that fought for it and ran! Sign, get! And in the DNI and LC, they will put things in order and they will put a “hut" on their snot so that they don’t stick their nose!
    5. Victorio 1 November 2015 23: 09 New
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      You better look yourself carefully at the Donbass. Even here, information has been published on the site about what is happening there. Russia had to significantly increase the corps of its "observers" so that LDNR did not finally slide into Makhnovism and banditry. Comparing the result with the number of killed and the scale of the destruction, many are very disappointed. If you notice, then somehow the desire to create people's republics passed among people. On the contrary, a powerful anti-Russian argument appeared - "Do you want it to be here like in the Donbass?" It refers to the victims and destruction and a completely incomprehensible future. Those who had hoped for help from Russia had almost ceased to hope.
      ====
      Donbass has already passed its own, do you think that the attempt to change will cost you less blood, the Nazis will not give up power so easily? rather, you have to adapt and adapt, imagine after all, your children and grandchildren will be taught to hate Russia
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      Those who had hoped for help from Russia had almost ceased to hope.

      yeah, the great Führer will come and set everyone free, feed and give his wife ...., but weak by himself, like Donbass with a gun in his hands for honor and dignity.
  2. I am Russian 1 November 2015 17: 16 New
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    Hello everyone!
    vladek64, I want to ask you - "look how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%" - where are the remaining 60-57%? "My hut from the edge"? Or "do I need it"?
    "So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you recall the Maidan, then less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there." That's exactly what we judge by 99% of the population of Ukraine !!!
    Better look at DONBASS and LUGANS !!! Here they need !!! And they fight for every "HATU with the Land" !!!
    I repeat once again: Whoever wants to is looking for an opportunity! Who does not want - the reason ......

    Hello! hi
    You're right. Donetsk and Lugansk regions (Donets Basin-Donbass) from the Seversky Donets River, only.
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    Greetings!
    It didn’t occur to you that a big phenomenon of the people could mean a boycott of the elections, and not only these but also the past presidential elections, which in general can be considered not legitimate, and those who haven’t come can think so, if in almost every family, each team due to the distortion of information divided themselves, because the bulk of the people before the incident was generally apolitical.
    I understand the train of thought Vladeka64
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    I understand you.
    Everyone writes for some reason about 23 years. But, excuse me, nationalism in Ukraine is not 23 years old, but much more. And you have this infection in Ukraine, everyone saw it, back in the USSR, and ... they were silent. And now another, very different generation, will decide the fate of Ukraine, which I do not envy.
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    why should they fight, they can lead and kill = so it’s better for them to fight others and they will wait
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    where are the remaining 60-57%? "My hut from the edge"? Or "do I need it"?

    Are you really like that, or are you fooling around? There’s no one to choose from! All these “oppositionists” come from pro-government parties. For the sake of appearances, “pocket” opposition. To come and cast your vote is to give legitimacy to the elections. The people simply sent power together with the election.
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    Today published official data on who went to the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Council:

    Opposition Bloc (33,82%), Ukrainian Association of Patriots - Dill (18,31%), Petro Poroshenko Bloc Solidarity (10,27%), Vidrodzhennya (7,82%), All-Ukrainian Batkivshchyna Association (6,64%), Oleg Lyashko Radical Party (6,06%), Self-Help Association (5,69%).


    I recall that the turnout was 43%. And that means that less than 8% of voters voted for DEC.
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    I’ll try to translate: Ukrainians are not people living in Ukraine, but Ukrainized Russians, Tatars, Armenians, and many others. And now - a Siberian woman, when she lived in Vlalivostok, then for the locals she was (do not believe it!) From the West (from western Siberia), when she studied and lived in Tomsk, she was a Tomsk girl with pleasure, and so she was Russian. We here and you are considered the same, we are not used to the fact that there is such a nationality - Ukrainian, for us - it belongs to the place of residence.
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    I myself live in Ukraine. Also in the "aspen nest" - Dnepropetrovsk.
    Neither my friends nor I spat on the Heroes of the Soviet Union, but on the contrary, went out on May 9 to congratulate them. And now it’s not safe ...

    Then the question. Why are you not with the DNI and LC?
    1. vladek64 1 November 2015 20: 07 New
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      Why are you not with the DNI and LC?


      That is why I do not fight on the side of LDNR?

      Because I can’t understand what they’re fighting for. AGAINST what they are fighting, I understand, but I'm more interested in the creative part: WHAT are they fighting for?
      What do they want to build?
      What is a people's republic?
      Will there be oligarchs?
      Will there be banks with usurious interest?
      How will the issue of ownership be resolved? (They will start talking again about “effective private owners”? So we have all seen how these “effective” quietly become oligarchs)

      Well, a lot of questions that LDNR do not give answers.
      How can you fight it is not known for what?
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      2. Victorio 1 November 2015 23: 14 New
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        Quote: Homo
        Why are you not with the DNI and LC?


        That is why I do not fight on the side of LDNR?

        Because I can’t understand what they’re fighting for. AGAINST what they are fighting, I understand, but I'm more interested in the creative part: WHAT are they fighting for?
        What do they want to build?
        What is a people's republic?
        Will there be oligarchs?
        Will there be banks with usurious interest?
        How will the issue of ownership be resolved? (They will start talking again about “effective private owners”? So we have all seen how these “effective” quietly become oligarchs)

        Well, a lot of questions that LDNR do not give answers.
        How can you fight it is not known for what?

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        below it was necessary to write the result: "I do not want to."
        clearer and more honest
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          below it was necessary to write the result: "I do not want to."

          Well, if you understand this:
          I don’t want to fight, it’s not known why!
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        And you, who lived in a well-fed and calm Dnepropetrovsk, and don’t understand us, living in the front-line Donbass, where already five-year-old kids are sorting out what mine they have blown up
        in the yard, 122 or 80, which gun fired,
        D-30 or howitzer, which according to us is hammering, MLRS, or MSTA, Hyacinth, Acacia, or Carnation, or maybe T-? 2.
        You can see Benino’s upbringing ... Do you want to know what the Donbass rose for? It's very simple, we don’t want to be burned and shot like in Odessa on May 2 and Mariupol
        On May 9, 2014, how Crimeans were killed and maimed near Korsun-Shevchenkovsky, when thugs from the “PS” threw their buses at the napalm and shot pompoviks on 20.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX., Only because we are Russian and speak our native language. the most
        The main thing is that we didn’t come to you in Lviv, Ternopol or Kiev with weapons in hand, but you came to us in tanks and armored personnel carriers and started killing us. You started bombing us on June 2, 2014 with MIG-24, and not us . The people of Donbass took up arms to protect their wives and children, their old people, their homes and their land. This is his homeland, and he has the right to do so, but you don’t understand this. Why? AND
        Why did only the Donetsk region and Lugansk region rise? Why didn’t Kharkiv region rise,
        Odeshchyna, your Dnepropetrovsk region and other areas?
        Fearfully? But weren’t we afraid to stop tanks and armored personnel carriers with machine guns with bare hands? ... Then there were bloody battles, women, old people and children died under your bombing, and you, there, at the front line, ate heartily and slept, had fun , married, gave birth to children, and they called us “divisions” and “quilted jackets.” So Ben Kolomoisky taught you
        , tk. and your questions on the "creative part" are in the Benin spirit, from his repertoire.
        And with LDNR everything will be all right. After your shelling, damaged dlrogs, heating, gas pipelines are immediately repaired, holes in houses are repaired, schools and hospitals are being restored. Pensions and salaries are paid, albeit with a little delay, schools, banks and hospitals work-people living his life
        even though under fire, we’re already used to them,
        life does not stand still, and we must live on.
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          Do you want to know what the Donbass rose for? It's very simple, we don’t want us to be burned and shot as in Odessa on May 2 and Mariupol on May 9, 2014, as the Crimeans were killed and maimed near Korsun-Shevchenkovsky when the thugs from PS "threw their buses with napalm and firing pompovikov 20.02.14.,


          You list that AGAINST what you are fighting. I understand it.
          I can’t understand WHAT you are fighting for. What will be a VICTORY for you?
          Well, imagine that you won. They killed the nationalists, powders and others like him drove off, no one kills you. You can begin to build a peaceful life.
          WHAT peaceful life will you build? Again with the oligarchs and bandits?
          Then in 10-20 years you will build the same thing that exists today.
          Your leadership does not really say anything about which country you are building, for what future people are dying. And the number of Akhmetov’s people in the leadership of the DPR suggests sad thoughts.

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          You came to us in tanks and armored personnel carriers and started to kill us.

          I understand your emotions, but here you are still a little carried away - I did not come to you in tanks and did not kill anyone. No need to insult me ​​with such accusations.
          You attack me as an enemy. As a representative of the "Right Sector" or something like that. If you do not distinguish friends from enemies, then slide into a war against all. This is exactly what Benya and his ilk are seeking: to divide the Slavs and let them hate and kill each other.

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          your questions on the "creative part" are in the Benin spirit, from his repertoire.

          You're wrong. That in Benin's spirit demonstrates the "Right Sector", which he finances. They are not talking about any creation at all. Everything is simple there: "Glory to the heroes! Death to the thugs!"
          Only very naive people can talk about Ben as a creator.
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          If you allow the Nazis in your land to commit atrocities. Who are you then. Yes, not an enemy, you do not kill your wife, you just keep silent and work for the war. Think about who you are then. Worst of all are these silent people.
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          vladek64, excuse me, but what do you expect from your government? Do you think she will resolve herself?
          I don’t want to fight, it’s not known why! in my opinion, you don’t want to do anything yourself !!! Are you waiting for outside help? Will abroad help you ?! Either Russia or the West - but they will certainly help ?! Do you want to stay away ?! vladek64, YOU ARE A SIMPLE PASSIVE VIEWER (PEOPLE), like all 99% of yours, your language doesn’t turn to say, s !!!
          Do you want to do well - do it yourself !!! And then you do not have to look for the guilty !!!
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          Dear Vladek64! I answer your first question — we want to be part of Russia, and we will be there no matter how much time and our lives it would take — we are the ONE people.
          Your second question is not very simple, but ... I personally, personally, did not indicate to you exactly what
          You killed us, but after all, someone has done this and is still doing it. Now there are up to 90 thousand Ukrainian soldiers at the front, and how many rotations were, about 46 thousand killed
          up to hundreds of thousands of wounded and a lot of missing people. And in all, over
          360 thousand soldiers of Ukraine. And which of them, and as I command to call friends, brothers? Only I wonder where did you manage to "sit out" from the mass mobilization in the Dnieper? And the answer to the third question, about this rogue Beni, I agree with you 100%, but he continues to "build" the Dnieper and
          region as he pleases, and you tell me about some kind of DNR oligarchs and their banks.
          All the best!
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  • Manul 1 November 2015 20: 27 New
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    Your friends, Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, betrayed the memory of all those who died in a terrible massacre, equating them with the invaders, and elevating Nazi accomplices to the rank of national heroes! Moreover, most Ukrainians were silent for 23 years watching this!

    I’m taking a walk in Sosnovy Bor with a three-year-old daughter. A couple of young people (probably married) with a child of 7-8 years pass by. They understand it for the holiday (there was a military reconstruction on the Voronka River, it’s not Sosnovoborsky, so I don’t know the details) .I I hear what they explain to the child, but it doesn’t fit in my head, what I hear and therefore I just fell into a stupor. The truth is, I looked at them closely and spoke quieter, but I think I heard just that - ".. .and the so-called "fascists" crossed this Funnel. And all kinds of veterans, Soviet soldiers there, "I can’t vouch for a specific text here - but nothing good was said about our soldiers. As I understand it, these are our "brothers" from Ukraine who came. If I hadn’t walked with my daughter, I would surely have rushed after, and I would have insistently asked to repeat. I would have photographed my faces as well. But I say - what I heard did not fit in my head. Until I realized, they had already combed it.
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    Throw poking all the time with your lists, then your Jews%, now you. Cook in your own juice, behind the wall, and in general the bazaar and the train station home for a khur.
  • Homo 1 November 2015 18: 51 New
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    And why do not you imagine other "quantities"? For instance:
    "- 17.4%, or 2021 people out of 11 603, Ukrainians are Heroes of the Soviet Union since the Great Patriotic War"
    "- 25% twice Heroes of the Soviet Union come from Ukraine"

    These are certainly correct figures, but they do not speak of patriotism and heroism, but of the number of people and the level of education in the USSR relative to other republics. hi
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    You Kipling remember .. laughing laughing

    In 1894, Radyard Kipling described the strange tribe of Bandar Logs in the Book of the Jungle (Bandar-log - Hindi.). -
    So Balu describes the Bandar Logs: “They have no law. Monkeys are outcasts. They do not have their own dialect; they use stolen words that eavesdrop when they spy on us, hiding in the branches. They do not have our customs. They live without leaders. They have no memory. They boast, talk, assure that they are a great people, ready to do great things in the jungle, but a nut falls, they are made funny, and they forget everything. We, the inhabitants of the jungle, have no business with them; do not drink where monkeys drink; do not move on their roads; We do not hunt where they hunt; do not die where they die. The jungle people drove them out of their memory and did not take their meat into their mouths. There are a lot of monkeys; they are evil, dirty, have no shame, and if they have any specific desire, then it is the desire to be noticed in the jungle. But we do not pay attention to them, even when they throw dirt and nuts on our heads. "So the Bandar-logs describe themselves:" We are great. We are free. We are amazing. We are the most amazing tribe in all the jungle, "they shouted. “You hear about us for the first time and you can convey our words to the jungle population so that it will notice us in the future, and therefore we will tell you everything about such amazing and excellent creatures like us.” Mowgli did not mind; hundreds of monkeys gathered on the terrace to listen their goods, singing praises to Bandar-logu, when the oratoress was silent, wanting to catch her breath, all the other monkeys shouted: “It's true; we all said the same thing.” “But at the sight of a sick wolf, a wounded tiger or a bear, the monkeys go on the earth, torment them for fun; In the hope of attracting the attention of animals, they constantly throw branches and nuts in them. In addition, they howl, shout meaningless songs, invite the Jungle People to climb up to them and engage in battle with them; or for no reason they start fierce fights among themselves and throw dead monkeys to where the thicket population can see these corpses. They are all going to elect their leader, draw up their own laws, come up with their own customs, but they never fulfill their plan, because their memory is not enough until the next day. To justify themselves, the monkeys wrote the proverb: “The jungle will think later about what the Bandar-log thinks now,” and this greatly encourages them. "
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      If we discard that it was written, God knows when, then, as if from modern Ukraine, he wrote! laughing

      But to be honest, in fact, I would not want the Ukrainians to be Russians for us rejected ... There is hope that the Ukrainians themselves will understand that they are not like the Europeans, but the Kipling herd of bandarlogs!
  • Tusv 1 November 2015 15: 57 New
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    And still hearing the southern Ukrainian dialect I remember Bogomolov "In August of the 44th"

    Amendment "In August of the 44th" film version. In the original "Moment of Truth" Actually you voiced this.
    A joke in 1988 Kiev lined up with a pure Moscow dialect
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      Yes, you are absolutly right! Thank you for the amendment! hi

      And you correctly noticed that in 1988 Kiev spoke with a Moscow dialect. I was in Kiev for the last time in 1997 and I, though not in the open, but half-hints, but they already made it clear that I was an occupier, and the inscriptions of announcements and signs were exclusively on the mov!
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    And I thought where so many policemen, Bandera and Vlasovites divorced during the Second World War!
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    And when I hear the south-Ukrainian dialect I remember Bogomolov “In August of the 44th” and imagine that number of banderes

    Banderas don’t speak with a South Russian accent. The South Russian accent is Kuban, Eastern Ukraine. Bandera “Gvara” cuts an ear in conversation, Ukrainians from Poltava, Sumy, Kharkov, from our side of the Dnieper hardly understand the Galician surzhik. I had to to be on business trips on business trips, and so: I know the Ukrainian language very well, but I can hardly understand the one who is spoken by the raguli. It’s a wild mixture of Polish, Hungarian, Magyar, Ukrainian, German and Russian words. This is not an accent, this is a dialect.
  • Valentine 1 November 2015 12: 49 New
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    I already wrote in VO, who and what is Ukraine to us and Ukrainians friends, enemies? To understand this well, you need to sit under the bombing and shelling for a month and a half in
    Donetsk or Gorlovka, in damp, cold basements, without food and light, without water and gas. To see the bodies of children, women and old people torn into pieces, and to bury them nearby
    with a house in a simple, dug hole. Will you say that the people are not to blame? And who is to blame if not this Ukrainian people? Who drove in droves on this Maidan, who fed and watered this Maidan, who brought warm clothes and shoes there, who brought there tires and napalm, with which the Golden Eagle was burned? And who, after
    this Maidan came to us with weapons in the Donbass and began to kill us, bombing, shelling and destroying the cities and towns of civilians around the clock? And this
    made simple Ukrainian people. Now tell me
    You to me, who should I consider now Ukrainians-friends, brothers, or enemies? Love me or hate them?
    1. Siberian 1 November 2015 17: 50 New
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      This is what blows up the brain. It seems that for the most part the people simply did not do anything, not everyone jumped ... But these are not the first races, then! How many years before this jumped, yelled? And that, too, is ordinary people. They are hammering the Donbass, and ordinary people are watching with interest, as in the movies, the disputes of politicians, journalists and so on. on the show. When lack of money presses, because this simple people gets out on the streets with protests. And here - it seems to be against, but somehow languidly ...
  • wagner72 1 November 2015 16: 37 New
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    Would you listen to what kind of pearls they give out to us in the Crimea, in Russia? Gastes from the Dnieper, Kherson, Zaporozhye hate us and call us traitors, but you can’t kick them, the law doesn’t order. , live like homeless people, the earned money is mostly drunk. Because of these figures, work rates fell below the plinth; Crimeans have to leave for the mainland to earn money. Something like this.
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    not enough of their good left-if you do not know
  • mikh-korsakov 1 November 2015 11: 49 New
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    You are right, to Europe. so to Europe. And then earn money here, and bark at the giving hand - there. It's not fair. Visa regime them!
    1. Valentine 1 November 2015 13: 08 New
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      And who awaits them in Europe? On the Maidan, they were given only "promises, temptations", and no more, to the cries of "Glory to Ukraine" and the dream of lace panties .... Well, when
      civil war began when they were presented with a ticket
      on her, one way, then the instinct of self-preservation - “nenka” “nenka” worked, and life is more expensive, and everyone who does not want to die for Ukraine, echeloe threw abroad, to the “aggressor”, to Russia, she’s kind and a generous soul, she will accept and regret everyone. Just go, check how they are going, with a “fig” in your pocket, or not, the question is open.
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        The Lord is with you .... Whoever doesn’t go anywhere with a fig .....
        Something to me is "Tavria", "Cossacks" with yellow-blakitnyh Mr. Well, they don’t come across on the road .... Occasionally "golfiki", my peer. But Lexus, Pajero last, Passat B6 began to come across more and more ...
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  • Lelek 1 November 2015 12: 18 New
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    I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!


    And let the "comrades" go to "censor.net" and honor how our blood brothers rejoice over the crashed Russian airliner, then their minus one will disappear.
  • the villain 1 November 2015 13: 16 New
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    Now comrades will fill me with minuses and considerations of tolerance

    My opinion: tolerance is the moral AIDS of society. hi
  • Vend 1 November 2015 11: 21 New
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    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
    But this had to be done for a long time. If you were to go on a visit only or forever. And from Donbass, people should simplify their stay. There shouldn't be any “money-makers” here!

    I think done on time. Remember how many escaped the call, undermining the grave of Poproshenko? Now it is time to return the refugees to the mountain homeland, thereby increasing the number of people dissatisfied with power, unemployment, predatory tariffs and, most interestingly, people who saw Russia with their own eyes.
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      Well, all the "Lafa" is over .... bully
      1. I am Russian 1 November 2015 12: 04 New
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        Thank God we are Cossacks !!! Not...
        Meehan, take it easy with that. They are not Ukrainians, but Cossacks.
        1. MIKHAN 1 November 2015 12: 29 New
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          Thank God we are Cossacks !!! Not...
          Meehan, take it easy with that. They are not Ukrainians, but Cossacks.

          I apologize ... Just for the Cossacks-Cossacks, etc. many "mow" .. I still respect the Cossacks and believe that the movement at the borders should be revived with all the attributes and responsibilities! hi We chopped them into a lot of civilian and yet .. hi
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            Himself sometimes brings hi
          2. northern 1 November 2015 14: 50 New
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            Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.
            All breasts in medals - for "timely sober" of all four degrees
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              Quote: north
              Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.
              All breasts in medals - for "timely sober" of all four degrees


              Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov rule (endless wars). And continued during the civil war and the Second World War. And finished off in 1960, when the corpses of Cossacks sailed along the Don River.
              "A Cossack who does not abide by tradition is no longer a Cossack."
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                Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov reign

                It is interesting what the valiant chieftain Platov will say. Or Other Cossacks, who dress the order as a parade and in battle. It is not necessary to equate our Cossacks with Mazepa.
                Heaven and earth
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                Cossacks ??? specially ??? exterminated ????? !!!!!! Romanovs ??? !!!!
                In 1914, the entire Cossacks of the Russian Empire from 2 with more than millions of people were obliged to put out for war - 50 000 people in total ....
                The most militarized population of the empire set -2,5% !!!!! abundance ..

                And at the same time - where they sailed in 1960 according to Don corpses ??? !!!!
                Civil - I agree, 20-30 - completely agree, after the war, it was definitely the case: Cossacks fought on the side of HitlerJudged and to whom it was destined - shot!
                Enlighten in 1960 for what and by what articles were they allowed to swim (in fact, in the USSR, after the Civil War, they didn’t drown in the rivers, but shot them)?
                Answer, it’s very interesting, why did Khrushchev drown people?

                And about the Romanovs, His own Imperial Majesty the convoy (Cossack !!!) on the third day of the February revolution swore allegiance to the Provisional Government.
                He was the godfather to all the children of the Cossacks of the Convoy ...
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                  Of course the 1930s. Pup. hi Thank you, I didn’t notice.

                  The total number of Cossacks in 1917 amounted to at least 4.4 million people (according to some sources, 6 7 million). At the same time, there were slightly more than 300 thousand Cossacks in the ranks. The total population of the Russian Empire on the eve of the revolution was estimated at 166 million people, and the Imperial Army - at 10 12 million people. Of the total number of Cossacks, the Don army totaled more than 2,5 million Cossacks, the Kuban army - 1,4 million, the Tersk army - 250 thousand. The total number of the Amur, Ussuri, Siberian and Trans-Baikal Cossack troops was a little less than 1 million. The Ural Cossacks totaled more than 150 thousand people, of whom there was not a trace left after the Civil War, which makes the fate of this army unique even by the standards of revolutionary Russia.
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                  And at the same time - where did the corpses float in Don in 1960 ??? !!!!

                  he’s probably about Novocherkassk bent .......
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                    he got better, typo-1930, see above
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                  Cossacks ??? specially ??? exterminated ????? !!!!!! Romanovs ??? !!!!


                  Ukrainians have always tried to denigrate or rewrite history /
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                Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov reign

                Well, for the sake of truth, the Cossacks themselves behaved like a grishka of Melikhs during all this time from 1612 to 1917
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              Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.

              not focused on them, on their children ..... They will stand for Russia.
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      I completely agree! And also to return there cowards who galloped and wanted in a “warm” place (albeit to the enemy rear, as much as they could, Bandera, b ...!) To sit out!
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    In Krasnaya Polyana, figures have pinned down “zarobitchans” from central and western Ukraine. So the men tell how they get drunk like their “heroes of sala", but the tridents cut out on the trees. Pigs, in short. Not all of course, but you need to filter these reptiles like that . Not long ago, a friend in Khost near the construction site saw a car with ukronomery. I approached asked how are you in the DNI and the LC, so they almost attacked him. In short, this time for shit, oh how time to take. I have already printed more than once that you need to set up filtration camps at the border for people who enter Ukraine. And it would be more convenient for people who want to go to Russia for permanent residence. They spent a month there, during this time a complete check and ready documents in their hands. And people are comfortable and we are comfortable. Tell me how to tell who there is someone. Yes easily. In the FMS of inspectors from the Crimea or from former Russian citizens of Ukraine, take it! Who, who, and I as they said one famous character "I can smell
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      who and I as they said one famous character "I feel with my heart"


      Now do you understand everything that I have said before? laughing
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        Only came from the forest. Oyster mushroom dialed. Alexander good evening! Of course I understand!
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          Oyster mushroom typed.

          Eva, there are still mushrooms. We have if only cranberries from under the snow, although next week, weather warlocks up to plus 4 promised, maybe it will thaw, then, for myself, it’s what
          And with our, the Arkhangelsk, “refugee,” according to their affairs, a whole saga, they fired the intolerant man, then, like, they restored him again, or else, give out, let’s put it on a silver platter, but we don’t want to work. By winter, they quieted down, apparently frozen ... what
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            We still in Sochi, real mushrooms only started about two weeks ago. By the way, for the history, honey mushrooms were last collected on December 18, and I start that year with white spring before the May holidays in Krasnaya Polyana. Paradox of subtropics and mountains.
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              We still in Sochi real mushrooms only as two weeks as they began

              Well, from about mid-June to mid-September, so until August-September, the Georgian people basically only have time. Then frost, minus at night, plus during the day. It happens that in May they begin to climb, but so, indulge. In general, mushrooms, about a month and a half, when it ended, one cranberry went out in the snow, it took nothing, in December, you kick a bump, pick up a handful of “lollipops”, warm it in your mouth, bite it, juice, such a sour-tasty, not tell even request
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                Once a smart person said: The more I get to know people, the more I love dogs. Marie de Rabuten-Chantal de Sevigne
                So we are. Sometimes after this abomination, I just want to talk about mushrooms.
                Regards Observer 2014
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                  family tree

                  Quote: Observer2014
                  Observer2014



                  listen to foodies. finish .. I saliva has all gone .. laughing

                  Volodya hi .. Sergey hi
                  1. Observer2014 1 November 2015 19: 21 New
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                    Alexander, maybe the site’s leadership will make a new heading ?! That would be so simple on abstract topics! And then sometimes the “degree rolls over” and calls it “miscellaneous” for example ?!
                    Although of course a serious site, it requires a serious relationship. Although ??? !!!
                    People in VO in social networks as a rule are not listed. And there should be an “outlet”.
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                      Although of course a serious site, it requires a serious relationship. Although ??? !!!


                      Seryozha mustache is provided - at the top where the windows are the main news of the radio .. there is a forum window .. go to the VO forum and there ... and hobbies and humo and talk and rumors ... though it is not as active as the site itself ..
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                      And what didn’t you say before haha ​​!!! He didn’t notice the elephant!
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                  listen to foodies. finish .. I saliva has all gone .. laughing

                  Do not envy, you have your own tastes recourse
                  Hello, fuel oil, call for late, drove the sidekick to fix the wiring, the fourth switch came up with, like, so that in the summer, on white nights, what for light to illuminate laughing , on the street. But the 3-by-3 dressing room is chic, and the 3-by-4 bathhouse, the stove from the "crocodile" of UZhshny, in half a brick, the tank is hot-welded, the heater is insulated, the stones on the vinegar are selected, half an hour, and a pair of brooms with two hands, in the third nose I buried it and breathed, with that perfume-birch, then a basin of chilly, you jump out, kvask, back, with a washcloth, scrub the old skin, rinse it again, and again onto the shelves, under the broom, almost to the point of losing consciousness, otherwise you will jump off, and you’ll start to soar, there’s sweat in a hail, and it reaches 250 beats per minute in the heat of the day, in the dressing room, and such silence and grace, although it still pounds, you remember how you ran, with a full, young and beautiful, and pounded abruptly , and some of those are gone already, and you belay it’s like he’s alive, and a medical board, every year, to the climbers, at 53 years old, from half a kick, and you are in no hurry anywhere ... but classmates and those who are nearby, less and less, sappers, why, consciously made a mistake, with the choice of profession, only here myocardial infarctions and strokes, it seems, have nothing to do with the subversive, and the fact that the men have survived has nothing to do with heart attacks and strokes, yes. Well, not everyone has been taught vivores since childhood belay And mine bags should be arranged, then it’s necessary to remove the ones that haven’t worked, and then there is dirt, blood, shit and disadvantages that control yourself so that they don’t suffer, and you are shaking, it’s from the sight of this, but you have to work, otherwise they’re you at last gasp, it happened.
                  I do not like this work, I’d better build something, the same bridge, over the river, with ice cutters, albeit wooden, but higher than the low-water one, for the army, and let it be six years old, without repair. Something like this, Sanya, I do not like that job.
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                    And on the forum, as an administrator, collect for the New Year, two months to the deadline, in a personal note, a topic, we’ll catch up by the hour, otherwise Roman and Smirnov will draw a warning message again. Temko, and whom to collect, you will realize, a shovel to help drinks We calm ourselves, alcoholizing and having fun, purely in a masculine campaign, without girls and blackjack, well, Zhonki, are welcome, I'm even what Well, what is the rule without exception, cho belay drinks
  • northern 2 November 2015 19: 36 New
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    Somewhere they wrote about the character that in Russia he hires some zapadentsev, so they voluntarily-forcibly send a share from him earned to restore New Russia
  • Civil 1 November 2015 11: 35 New
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    Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!
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      Yes, Tajiks are better than such Europeans!
      1. Region-25.rus 1 November 2015 13: 31 New
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        and not Tajiks, did they cut out Russians in the early 90s? Huh? .. And now give them an indulgence and put on an imam will also start to do! Only here we have it!
        1. Siberian 1 November 2015 18: 01 New
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          Tajiks Tajiks - discord. Those that were cut out are Tajiks from the territory of Afghanistan (the then analogue of the modern Ukrainian), they simply exterminated the inhabitants of Tajikistan, without nationality. And our Tajiks (Soviet), who served in our army, as Ukrainians are now perplexed, why should they kill their own? Women with children ran to us (they just got on any plane that flies away — at least somewhere, to any city) from this incomprehensible massacre, customs control passed in nightie's and slippers (in the Siberian winter), children in knitwear for 4 rubles. 120 cop., Without bags and suitcases. It’s just that we were all independent countries and what was happening to them, we were no longer interested. It turned out that with the collapse of the union, we threw them first. They came under attack from the side of Afghanistan. We, too, at first, said to them: Can't you live without us? Ours were kicked out, separated, build your own state there. Why are you following the Russians? Live yourself as you want. They were very surprised and said that they did not separate. "You threw us yourself." Like this. Our media was not up to Tajikistan in the 90s.
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        You did not understand? Or how?
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      Quote: Civil
      Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

      You know yesterday on the networks no one except these scum and our liberals was happy about the deaths of people on the plane, not all seeding, of course, a lot of condolences came from there, but go to the censor there is still a holiday, and condolences are still coming from Central Asia and not one word of disgust as from such Caucasians.
    3. combat66 1 November 2015 14: 58 New
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      But what does Central Asia skip, or call for depriving Russia of the right to vote at the UN, or it demands that the tribunals be appointed, and sends loans to the farm ?!
      It is imperative to tighten the nuts for the gifted!
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      Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

      He lives, cho, at first they said that they say "the Russian winter is a goat, and their children, especially from mixed ones, well, a doctor, well, an Armenian, well, Aleknaz Akhedzhakovna, well, Alyushka, our beloved, Vitka, who drove my son for physical education, at school, regardless of sweat, the little zhonka who heals, regardless of the recommendations of the Ministry of Health and licenses for which to fire and into water, on recovery, then, however, dragging, for an untimely idea of ​​his supernature, and it wasn’t worth it, but, with a bunch of injections in the ass and through the veins repeat Ches a word, I won’t!
      And I won’t be less, if necessary, cho, that ugly, a hunchbacked grave, if cho belay
  • Coconut Tima 1 November 2015 11: 57 New
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    The FMS sent Moldovan migrant workers a year ago to their homeland. Now they are shaking pro-European power like a pear! Who knows, will not something similar happen in Kiev, after the migrant workers who have returned to their homeland have been poking around for several months at home without work?
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    But could not it be canceled at all? Well, what do they do with us, especially Bandera from the West?
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  • forest park 86 1 November 2015 15: 40 New
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    90 days and then a lot - 2 weeks is enough
  • edge 2 November 2015 06: 27 New
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    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

    Well, that’s what happened, another freak has pinned to freeloaders
  • complete zero 2 November 2015 08: 34 New
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    you yourself (God forbid) try to try on this very “little money” shouldn’t it? ... all our oil industry (I know by myself) here on these very Ukrainians and Bulbashs ... you are Muscovites and tp ha of the North of the Tyumen region you will not be lured ... it is easy to judge people without having been in their shoes
  • same 2 November 2015 10: 05 New
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    And Donbass Russian citizenship.
  • Kunar 2 November 2015 14: 01 New
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    In this situation, all 404 will move to Donetsk
  • Reserve buildbat 1 November 2015 11: 18 New
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    I don’t understand what kind of refugees, and even with a preferential regime, they can be from Galicia, Lviv, Poltava, etc., in short, from the territory of dill. Refugees had to be accepted ONLY from the territory of New Russia.
    1. Gani 1 November 2015 11: 26 New
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      they directly said that the preferential regime for Ukrainians was “help” for the Ukrainian Armed Forces with mobilization.
    2. Thronekeeper 1 November 2015 12: 59 New
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      Some are fleeing from repression. I know quite a lot of pro-Russian publicists from Kharkov and the central B / y who had to do legs from Bezpeka. They have the same SS freedom SSlov.
      And so - the overwhelming majority of Gaster and "economic refugees" together with mowers from the grave.
      On the other hand, no one will deport legal labor migrants. On the third - Gaster returned to his U-homeland, no work, got used to the Russian z / p, around a complete * opa ... Unobtrusive production of agents of influence.
  • venaya 1 November 2015 11: 18 New
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    Preferential treatment

    Well, someone has to deal with the disgrace that is happening with the neighbors? The ostrich policy of individual citizens is simply amazed by its simply arrogance. I consider the decision forced.
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    Tufted citizens - forward to the EU.
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    Absolutely correct, albeit somewhat belated, decision. Refugees from Donbass and citizens of a hostile state are two big differences.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2015 11: 27 New
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    all this "preferential" mode is garbage and idiocy, refugees register as refugees, gastrikas the same
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    HAM 1 November 2015 11: 32 New
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    “PREFERRED” period should be canceled in the gas, financial, energy, transportation
    the moderator "nailed" half of the phrase, which does not contain anything improper !!!
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      Quote: HAM
      the moderator "nailed" half of the phrase, which does not contain anything improper !!!

      When the moderator corrects the post, he leaves his signature, this is the law ... You either have technical problems or your comments did not like the AUTOCENCOR. Well, medicine is powerless here ... Nobody knows what is going on in his electronic head. But without this pribabaha not a single large resource can do. Somehow I remember, he replaced the cry of joy Eh-gee y on non-traditional faceWell what to do with this ??? They laughed ... wassat
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        lol he (m - r) tore the word "trans portnoy" and shortened the phrase: otherwise it turns out that the "aggressor" feeds the victim "so that he does not die prematurely ..
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          Quote: HAM
          he (m - r) tore the word "trans portnoy" and shortened the phrase:

          Sometimes an extra space or letter replacement helps ... I understand that this will not decorate the post, but the person will understand, but the program will not ... wink
      2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 17: 02 New
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        Good laugh! Recently excommunicated for two weeks for violations! And the other day a very clever moderator with a signature warned for quoting Minister Lavrov at a briefing to a Polish journalist: "Morons, b .......!" And everything, as expected, is written with dots, but instead of the last point, a soft sign! So the electronic head often has nothing to do with it!
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          Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Recently excommunicated for two weeks for violations!

          It happens, of course ... You need to be more careful about observing the rules. But you must admit that without moderation of posts the site would turn into a garbage dump. So treat this as a necessary evil. The rules they must be respected by all and your humble servant is no exception ... wassat Well, the work of the autocensor can be seen right away, he changes the post at the time of publication ... Well, something like that ...
  • 31rus 1 November 2015 11: 32 New
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    Watching who should be considered a refugee, I already wrote about the "refugees" who receive benefits in Russia and who do not live badly in Ukraine, and they themselves do not hide it and successfully "profit" in Russia and their fellow citizens
  • GYGOLA 1 November 2015 11: 33 New
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    Thank God! How much can you endure their reviews of us, and think that they will change their minds.
    The total number of Ukrainians in Russia is 2,6 million.
    As the Kotsap pulls, the whole Ukrainian metropolis. If only these are not former Soviet citizens and wanting to stay with Russia, they feel sorry for them.
  • pentarhist 1 November 2015 11: 34 New
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    ... However, other interesting figures and facts were announced at the round table:

    Of the 2,6 million temporarily staying citizens of Ukraine of all categories - 404 thousand people applied for the refugee status in the FMS, 265 thousand people applied for a temporary residence permit. The remaining mass of displaced persons does not have any long-term status, using either the practice of the FMS patent (see below) or staying on the temporary status of a grace period of 90 days, which is subject to cancellation from November 1, 2015;
    The FMS in every possible way impedes obtaining the status of RVP (temporary residence permit) and refugee status, in every possible way pedaling the issue of refugees buying a patent for work. As a result, as an example, in the territory of Moscow for the current year (August 2014 - August 2015), which accounted for the main shaft of refugees, less than 1000 RVPs for all of Moscow (for all CIS countries) and more than 400 official patents (again, the same for all CIS countries);
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    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
    1. Comrade Bender 1 November 2015 11: 48 New
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      Do you think that all refugees should be accommodated in Moscow? And besides Moscow, they have nowhere else to live and work?
      1. pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 32 New
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        The article is not about that. Even if they don’t even place it in Moscow.
        1. Comrade Bender 1 November 2015 13: 06 New
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          And I, about your example with Moscow.
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            Well, look, 1000 RVPs for the whole of Moscow. While there are more than 1 million refugees from Donbass alone.
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              so maybe they from Donbass to Kuzbass are better and not to Maaskwa ?!
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        Well, this is reminiscent of the situation with the EAO, where there are fewer Jews in Birobidzhan than in Berdichev!
    2. I am Russian 1 November 2015 12: 11 New
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      People from New Russia extend the migration card at the FMS points for 90 days, or as decided by the FMS. What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!
      You can’t even imagine how it is ... to exist somewhere ... for years not to see the house .... sad
      1. pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 31 New
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        = Why are you surprised, residents WANT TO RETURN HOME =

        Wishing to return to devastation and shelling, without forcing it, it’s understandable, a little
        1. I am Russian 1 November 2015 13: 01 New
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          Quote: pentarhist
          = Why are you surprised, residents WANT TO RETURN HOME =

          Wishing to return to devastation and shelling, without forcing it, it’s understandable, a little


          Do not believe it. But the worst thing is to live in the occupied banderlog.and territory. Constant searches, thefts of people and property, rape of women. Per room grew. an operator can be killed if they suddenly find out that he was in the “occupied” Crimea — they take him away, take him away in an unknown direction.
          So not only shelling.
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            Actually, in ORDILOS, after the Kremlin’s proteges began to lead it, things are bad too. The killings of people (primarily patriots of New Russia), for example. Criticism of party policy ("Minsk") is prohibited.

            Here's an interesting livejournal of one of the locals-

            http://ugovostok-ua.livejournal.com/?skip=10
            1. I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 17 New
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              I know, but wait. Who is doing this ?? Whose orders are followed ??
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                I know, but wait. Who is doing this ?? Whose orders are followed ??


                Ukrainians need to show where to go
          2. orphan 63 1 November 2015 14: 50 New
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            . What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!


            And who should drive them out ?? !! Maybe you should not wait for this joyful event, continuing to sit for almost two years with families on the neck of the Russian budget in Russia?
            No one should do this for Ukrainians, they do not want and will not do it !!!
            And Ukrainians do not need to gather an exiled government in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens, and go clean up their own homes.
            Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

            So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you
            1. I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 14 New
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              Quote: Orphan 63
              . What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!


              And who should drive them out ?? !! Maybe you should not wait for this joyful event, continuing to sit for almost two years with families on the neck of the Russian budget in Russia?
              No one should do this for Ukrainians, they do not want and will not do it !!!
              And Ukrainians do not need to gather an exiled government in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens, and go clean up their own homes.
              Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

              So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you


              Wait, and CRIMEA ???
              Further, do not say “party line,” is your opinion ??
              Families, will you feed? No.
              To help?? Loudly said. Rather, as much as possible slow down the liberation of New Russia !!!
              You with you? You consciously support the plans of blatant Saxons in the Rus section on yours and not yours.
              At the expense of the government in exile - this is only to avert your eyes.
              And the last, do not insult the Russians by calling them Okraintsy.
            2. I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 26 New
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              Quote: Orphan 63
              Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

              So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you


              Do you know how many Russian citizens are trying to cross the border in order to join the Nazi volunteer battalions ??? And how are Russian border guards detaining them at the border ??
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                To help?? Loudly said.

                The Investigative Committee held a meeting on countering violations of the rights of civilians in southeastern Ukraine. According to its results, a detailed report was published on the agency’s website. In particular, investigators calculated how much Russia spent from the budget to accommodate refugees from Ukraine.
                "In accordance with the data received from the constituent entities of the Russian Federation on the costs incurred in connection with the placement of Ukrainian refugees, the Russian Federation suffered damage worth more than 4 billion rubles, "- The report says the head of the TFR Alexander Bastrykin.
                According to the FMS, the document says that more than one million Russian-speaking residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine were forced to leave their places of permanent residence, and more than 110 thousand people with refugee status applied for Russian citizenship.
                1. I am Russian 1 November 2015 17: 24 New
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                  Throw your numbers. Human life is priceless.
                  4 billion damage ?? I'm sorry that not everyone died. The real help is the liberation and creation of New Russia, by any means.
              2. I am a Russian 2 November 2015 23: 24 New
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                Do you know how many citizens of Russia


                I know a citizen of Ukraine who is ready to send their women to the panel for money.
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              Quote: Orphan 63
              And Ukrainians do not need to assemble a government in exile in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens,

              Where do you propose to start? In Dnepropetrovsk? Kiev? And the Donbass in this respect doesn’t moo or calve.
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      Quote: pentarhist
      FMS in every possible way prevents obtaining status of RVP

      but why are they all moving to Moscow? Forgive me, they’re not refugees anymore, Moscow is unlikely to go to the refugees
  • AlexTires 1 November 2015 11: 36 New
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    Love for Russia wakes up in the citizen of Ukraine with the receipt of the agenda for the military commissar ....
  • 35lisment35 1 November 2015 11: 39 New
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    Apparently, our leadership believes that the war in the Donbass is over
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      Quote: 35lisment35
      Apparently, our leadership believes that the war in the Donbass is over


      there is no gracious sovereign ... when it was necessary to destroy the Ukrainian army without firing a shot - they introduced preferential order and the people began to hide from the ATO ... and now they simply simply send all this mass back to feel the difference, so to speak ... stand .. there is soup and cookies for free ...
      1. Alexander Romanov 1 November 2015 11: 57 New
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        .. there is soup and cookies for free ...

        Not Sanya, the free cookies and soup ended. Yes, and why maidan those who did not make good money here, they will look around the empty garden and again in Russia
        1. vorobey 1 November 2015 12: 12 New
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          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Yes and why maidan to those who did not make bad money here, they will look around the empty garden and again in Russia


          and here Sanya, I think it will be the next step ... quietly advertised ... can return again only after three months .... just winter ...
  • Monster_Fat 1 November 2015 11: 40 New
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    It is high time. It is necessary to drive all Ukrainians from Russia to the "nenko" - let them put things in order there or let them wipe off their beloved "European" behind their lace panties. And then they “jumped” in their country to the neck of the “Varangians” with the “fascists”, and then they ran to the “filthy quilted jackets" for food. Let them go back to their place — let their “government” arrange them for work there — we also need jobs because of the crisis and the sanctions that these co-candidates ran through their Maidan. And then they are well-settled, they work for us, they eat and “grind” us on social networks, they dream of reviving “Nenko” in the framework of the “European Union”. Let them go to their place and arrange this "entry".
    1. retardu 1 November 2015 12: 28 New
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      The same can be said about Russians living in decaying countries (USA and Europe) who actively broadcast in social networks that Russia is so good, but find 10000 reasons not to return there
      1. Monster_Fat 1 November 2015 12: 59 New
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        “Dude, are you persecuting”, “Russians” who live on the border are no longer “Russians” if they do not have appropriate citizenship, this is firstly, secondly: those emigrants from the USSR and Russia in different countries with whom I spoke- they always speak unflattering about Russia the way they need to somehow justify their emigration ... What they “broadcast” on the networks ... so there, too, the emigrants don’t say anything good about Russia, except that some spoke positively about Crimea .. .
      2. Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 46 New
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        And what did you want to say? What do you need from the FRG under the back of your knee, or what? Usually, Russians living outside the hillock do not particularly praise the fatherland.
        1. retardu 1 November 2015 19: 49 New
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          Yes, not only in Germany, but all those who live in another country without being born in it and want it.
          This can be said about Ukrainians in Russia (who wants it, but lives there)
          Monster, apparently you watched the news a little ago. How many Russians in the same Germany blamed Germany and everyone told how good it was in their homeland. The same thing in the Baltic states, the Russian part of the population constantly aching as it is, but at the same time it sits in the Baltic states.
          Or clowns like Kobzon, treated in the EU, but says that their medicine is worse than in Russia
  • Buran 1 November 2015 11: 45 New
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    Maybe now they will start to fight unemployment with salaries, not gastritis. After technical schools and colleges, the kids are sitting without work, and the hay-salozhop rubles are knocked down.
  • provincial 1 November 2015 11: 45 New
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    It's time for the “brothers” to go home, stay and stop. Europe has been waiting. And so good news.
  • MIKHAN 1 November 2015 11: 46 New
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    It's time for the "brothers" to excuse me .. (women of children can leave ..) And the rest to Kiev! (2.6 million ..) This is the Army and not one ....! Patience and money in Russia are ending (in Syria, the brothers are fighting to the death ..) Yes, I don’t want to understand, but understand us too! hi
  • Anisim1977 1 November 2015 11: 49 New
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    They did the right thing - Donbass is sacred. The rest of the Slavic brothers should be returned to their homeland, especially the "Zapadents" - let them rake on the spot, that they did it with their tacit consent or go to Europe. Those residents of Kharkov, Sumy, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev are a pity, but what the hell do they allow a bunch of degenerates to do this at home.
    I can imagine how many people in the territory of historical New Russia who have weapons in their hands and know how to use them are former military and police officers (who are not frostbitten), private security companies, bandits, just hunters .......
    1. pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 08 New
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      ... out of 2,6 million temporarily staying citizens of Ukraine of all categories - 404 thousand people applied to the FMS for refugee status, 265 thousand people applied for a temporary residence permit. The remaining mass of displaced persons does not have any long-term status, using either the practice of the FMS patent (see below) or staying on the temporary status of a grace period of 90 days, which is subject to cancellation from November 1, 2015;
      The FMS in every possible way impedes obtaining the status of RVP (temporary residence permit) and refugee status, in every possible way pedaling the issue of refugees buying a patent for work ...

      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
  • pentarhist 1 November 2015 11: 54 New
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    ... Even the official registration procedures require a refugee a lump sum from 5 to 000 rubles (depending on the region) in order to collect all the certificates and go through all the procedures for submitting a package of documents to the FMS. In the case of quick processing of documents through the "shops" the amount is easily doubled;
    Only official payments on the patent system in Moscow amounted to about 7 billion rubles for the current year - refugees in fact fill the budget of Moscow no worse than the “native Muscovites”;
    The "program of native speakers of the Russian language" and the "program of resettlement of compatriots" practically do not work. Registration for the Russian language exam in the already mentioned Moscow is already being conducted in mid-2017, and the total number of compatriots who have used the resettlement program amounted to only 60 people for the current year. In addition, the provisions of these programs imply an “advance” withdrawal from Ukrainian citizenship, which contradicts international conventions on preventing the creation of categories of stateless persons - in the event of failure of this program in the future, the citizen who submitted the documents “hangs in the air” between Russia and Ukraine;
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    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
    1. Cthulhu 2 November 2015 10: 35 New
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      Firstly. For providing temporary asylum, no state duty. Moreover, the state pays assistance in the amount of 100 rubles / day - for each family member. For granting refugee status, no state duty. For obtaining Russian citizenship under simplification, the state duty is - 2000 rubles. Federal Law and administrative regulations of the Federal Migration Service, help you!
      Secondly. The patent system (with payments of 7 billion rubles) has nothing to do with refugees. This is the cutest migrant worker.
      Lie, but know the measure! My minus.
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        You are almost completely off topic. Finally read the article
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        A selection of comments on the article:
        Round table on the problem of Ukrainian refugees.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

        = not true, quite the opposite. In fact, the problem rests on quotas for RVP, but many categories of Ukrainian citizens just go besides quotas. =
        Outside of quotas go close relatives or husband-wife (one Satan). Even the grandmother to the grandson needs to be issued in the general order of obtaining RVP. As part of the quota. And by the way, what, quotas - this is not a policy including the FMS?
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=824553#t824553

        There is nothing "ready." The Russian state provides assistance either under the program for the centralized accommodation of refugees (about 150 people went there) or under the program for the resettlement of compatriots (about 000 people went there). Nobody eats your porridge, calm down.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821737#t821737

        2,6 million arrived. Of these, 1 million came from a war zone. In which Russia acted as the guarantor of peace (about the participation of Russia in the war in the Donbass - outside of this blog).
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=834537#t834537

        "Official" refugees - 404 thousand people.
        These are those who were able to prove their refugee status.
        Of the 2,6 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia and of the 1 million (minimum) of those who did not leave Ukraine of their own free will.
        Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
        For example, there are no “political refugees” or “militia members”.
        They are not spelled out in the legislation.

        But in fact they are.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821993#t821993

        From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation - there is no "Novorossiya".
        There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war prove it separately.
        And yes, there is no “political refugee” status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820457#t820457


        = Russia pays 800 rubles a day for the maintenance of such refugees (per person), so 24 thousand rubles a month for the Russian hinterland is very quite. =
        Russia does not pay this money to refugees, it’s enough to quote this duck here. Russia spends such an amount on refugees, refugees do not receive anything in their hands - and do not demand, because they have no right.
        In general, you can ask how much money has been spent on this program of creating a temporary placement (without taking into account what has been done for this money), it will work to accommodate 100-150 thousand people for a month or two.
        What they said at the round table. Now the refugees live on their own; no one wears anything in their beak.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=828393#t828393
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 47 New
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          listen learn how to highlight quotes in a human way, you can break your eyes
          Quote: pentarhist
          Outside of quotas go close relatives or husband-wife (one Satan). Even the grandmother to the grandson needs to be issued in the general order of obtaining RVP. As part of the quota. And by the way, what, quotas - this is not a policy including the FMS?

          if it’s about obtaining citizenship, it’s a lie, and it’s nasty and vile - There are no quotas for the acquisition of Russian citizenship.
          http://www.fmschel.ru/execution/foreign/citizenship.htm
          In accordance with Article 14, persons can be accepted into Russian citizenship in a simplified manner:
          having at least one parent with Russian citizenship and residing in the territory of the Russian Federation (paragraph “a” of part 1 of article 14);
          resident and resident, in the states that were part of the USSR, who did not receive the citizenship of these states, stateless persons, former citizens of the USSR (paragraph “b” of part 1 of article 14);
          citizens of the states that were part of the USSR who received secondary vocational or higher vocational education after July 1, 2002 in Russian educational institutions (paragraph “c” of part 1 of article 14);
          born on the territory of the RSFSR, and having citizenship of the former USSR (clause "a" of part 2 of article 14);
          living in the Russian Federation and married to a citizen of the Russian Federation for at least three years (paragraph “b” of part 2 of article 14);
          being disabled and having adult capable children - citizens of the Russian Federation (paragraph “c” of part 2 of article 14);
          have a child who is a citizen of the Russian Federation - in the event that the other parent of this child, who is a citizen of the Russian Federation, has died either by a court decision that has entered into legal force, is recognized as missing, incapable or limited in legal capacity, deprived of parental rights or limited in parental rights (paragraph "d" of part 2 of article 14);
          have a son or daughter who have reached the age of eighteen years, who are citizens of the Russian Federation and a court decision that has entered into legal force, are recognized as legally incompetent or limited in their legal capacity, if another parent of the indicated citizens of the Russian Federation who is a citizen of the Russian Federation has died or by decision a court that has entered into legal force, is recognized as missing, legally incompetent or limited in legal capacity, deprived of parental rights or limited in parental rights (paragraph “e” of part 2 of article 14);
          disabled persons who arrived in the Russian Federation from the states that were part of the USSR and were registered at their place of residence in the Russian Federation as of July 1, 2002 (Part 3 of Article 14);
          veterans of the Great Patriotic War (part 5 of article 14);
          children and incapacitated persons (part 6 of article 14);
          registered at the place of residence in the territory of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation that they have chosen for permanent residence in accordance with the State Program for Assisting the Voluntary Resettlement of Compatriots Living Abroad to the Russian Federation (Part 7 of Article 14).
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 50 New
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          Quote: pentarhist
          Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
          For example, there are no “political refugees” or “militia members”.
          They are not spelled out in the legislation

          lies again
          Asylum in the Russian Federation

          In 1992, the Russian Federation acceded to the 1951 UN Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. The Russian Federation provides asylum to foreign citizens and stateless persons seeking asylum in its territory by:

          political asylum;
          refugee recognition;
          providing temporary asylum.
          On the basis of Article 63 of the Constitution, the Russian Federation provides foreign citizens and stateless persons with political asylum in accordance with generally recognized norms of international law.

          Political Asylum

          Political asylum on the territory of Russia is carried out in accordance with the Regulation on the procedure for granting political asylum by the Russian Federation, approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 21, 1997 No. 746. Political asylum is granted to foreign citizens and stateless persons seeking asylum and protection from persecution or a real threat of becoming a victim of persecution in the country of their nationality or in the country of their usual residence for socio-political activities and beliefs that do not contradict democratic principles recognized by the international community , international law. Applications for political asylum are accepted by the territorial bodies of the FMS of Russia.

          http://www.fms.gov.ru/government_services/asylum/

          where do you pay attention I'm not referring to bloggers but documents
          1. pentarhist 2 November 2015 16: 41 New
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            = if it’s about obtaining citizenship, it’s a lie, and it’s nasty and vile - There are no quotas for acquiring Russian citizenship. =

            There was no talk of this. Quotas on RVP.

            = again a lie
            Asylum in the Russian Federation

            The Russian Federation in 1992 joined the 1951 UN Convention and the 1967 Protocol, =

            Yes, it's not about that. The fact is that many (if not most) refugees from U. are not recognized as such. Russia does not classify them as listed by you.


            "Many, really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
            For example, there are no "political refugees" (from W.) or "members of the militia."
            They are not spelled out in the legislation.


            From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation - there is no "Novorossiya".
            There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war prove it separately.
            And yes, there is no “political refugee” status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.

            And Anpilogov is not a "blogger", but one of the largest participants in those events. If something is unclear, ask him on the blog.

            P.S. By the way, do not tell me how to find out here that your comment was answered?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 15 New
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              you first learn how to highlight quotes
              Quote: pentarhist
              Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
              For example, there are no "political refugees" (from W.) or "members of the militia."
              They are not spelled out in the legislation.

              Lord what legal illiteracy
              open the FMS website and read the regulations
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 35 New
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              Quote: pentarhist
              From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation - there is no "Novorossiya".
              There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war prove it separately.

              you will be surprised but they are right, legally there is not any novorosiya and those who receive refuge legally refugees from Ukraine
              Quote: pentarhist
              or "militia members."
              They are not spelled out in the legislation.

              unequivocally, legally such a concept does not exist, and if anyone comes with screams they say I'm a militia and let me get something fast there and they send him
              1. pentarhist 4 November 2015 16: 33 New
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                The thing is that there is no category of political refugees from Ukraine. There are refugees from the territory of the fighting, but there are no political refugees. Do not even have visas with U. which polit. refugees?
                For example, Anpilogov himself is a political refugee from Dnepropetrovsk, but cannot have such a status
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2015 16: 53 New
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                  Quote: pentarhist
                  There are refugees from the territory of the fighting, but there are no political refugees

                  for Christ’s sake, study the law and stop writing bullshit
                  RUSSIAN FEDERATION FEDERAL LAW ON REFUGEES
                  Article 1. Basic concepts

                  1. For the purposes of this Federal Law, the following basic concepts apply:

                  1) refugee - this is a person who is not a citizen of the Russian Federation and who, due to well-founded fears of becoming a victim of persecution according to race, religion, citizenship, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political beliefs is outside the country of his nationality and cannot use the protection of this country or does not want to use such protection due to such fears; or, having no certain citizenship and being outside the country of his former usual residence as a result of such events, cannot or does not want to return to it due to such fears;


                  in nature there is no concept of a political refugee or refugee “from the territory of hostilities”, there is a concept of refugee and they receive refugee status in the FMS, and your Anpiligov is either a liar or a fool once such nonsense
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      Quote: pentarhist
      Even official registration procedures require a refugee a lump sum from 5 to 000 rubles (depending on the region) to collect all certificates and go through all the procedures for submitting a package of documents to the FMS

      what nonsense? !!!!
      can you give a breakdown of such amounts ?!
      1. pentarhist 2 November 2015 13: 59 New
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        Ask here-

        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820201#t820201
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 14: 44 New
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          I ask the one who brought the number
          1. pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 03 New
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            So he brought it. This is Anpilogov, one of the largest figures in the late New Russia
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 11 New
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              what he writes nonsense and nonsense
              there are facts let it lead no sorry stick my tongue ...
              In addition, strange refugees Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world, so it can choose what is easier ?!
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                You write nonsense. The person directly deals with the problem. It relies mainly on the officer. data. If you have questions, ask him on the blog.
                And why did you decide that everything to plod around in Moscow? 400000 thousand patents are with Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. Who have less problems than refugees
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 36 New
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                  Quote: pentarhist
                  And why did you decide that everything to plod around in Moscow?

                  because as a basis all figures and prices are taken in Moscow
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      Quote: pentarhist
      The "program of native speakers of the Russian language" and the "program of resettlement of compatriots" practically do not work

      strange and I moved on it
      Quote: pentarhist
      Registration for the exam in the Russian language in the already mentioned Moscow is now being conducted in mid-2017

      you have some kind of mess, the status of the program participant is given on the ground, that is, where you live with what have the exams in Moscow?
      Quote: pentarhist
      and the total number of compatriots who benefited from the resettlement program was only 60 for the current year

      So what?!
      Quote: pentarhist
      In addition, the provisions of these programs imply the withdrawal of Ukrainian citizenship “in advance”, which contradicts international conventions on preventing the creation of categories of stateless persons

      Well, this is generally nonsense, you are my friend or are illiterate in this matter or just a provocateur
      By the way, the page you are linking to is NO
      1. pentarhist 2 November 2015 14: 13 New
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        Read carefully. You are not the topic, but this is a person who is closely involved in the topic, Anpilogov-
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 38 New
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          you know, I came to the Russian Federation from Kazakhstan and faced the work of the FMS directly, in 80% of cases of "hemorrhoids" the visitors themselves are to blame
          but what writes anpilogov generally nonsense
          1. pentarhist 2 November 2015 18: 17 New
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            So you are from Kazakhstan.
            Anpilogov not only helps refugees, but also himself. Let those who wish to read the article and decide for themselves.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 38 New
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              Quote: pentarhist
              So you are from Kazakhstan.

              No, I live in the USSR from Russia
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        that is, essentially unable to answer? !!
  • sichevik 1 November 2015 11: 54 New
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    Or maybe it’s specially done. How much money did zarobitchans take to the outskirts? Billions of dollars. They fed their families, replenished the country's budget with currency. And, it should be noted replenished robust ... And now the shop was closed. Not only will there be no more foreign exchange earnings in the budget, but the army of the unemployed will increase significantly. And this is an increase in social tension. And the zarobitsch will remain one on one with the junta and its orders ... No, I’m not gloating, I just analyze and think that maybe it’s even like this that it will reach a simple mine, that it’s impossible to live on like that. After all, all these zarobitchites are solid mine-goers. They don't give a damn about what's on the outskirts. He has an income and good. Also, upon arrival at the outskirts, they sit with friends for a bottle and talk about what kind of scoops, quilted jackets, ka-tsa-bastards and scum ... Now let them scratch their turnips and start to think at least a little.
    1. pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 02 New
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      = Or maybe it was specially done. How much money did zarobitchans take to the outskirts? Billions of dollars =

      Actually, Ross. the state sponsors more with its discounts, benefits and deferrals. At what directly to the junta (and that already at its discretion may give a discount to the end consumer). And here people send to their families. And since they work in the Russian Federation, it is more likely that they treat her well.
      1. Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 35 New
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        Quote: pentarhist
        And since they work in Russia,

        Then let them pay taxes in the Russian Federation.
        Quote: pentarhist
        more likely to be well treated.

        Far from a fact.
        Quote: pentarhist
        people send to their families

        Moreover, in currency, buying up currency in the Russian Federation for rubles, they contributed to the depreciation of the ruble.
        1. pentarhist 1 November 2015 14: 43 New
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          = Let them pay taxes in the Russian Federation. =

          In the sense ? They pay them in the Russian Federation.

          = Moreover, in the currency, buying up the currency in the Russian Federation for rubles, they contributed to the depreciation of the ruble. =

          That’s who is to blame :) Ukrainian refugees and just migrant workers :) They cannot use rubles in U. so they have to transfer to other currencies.
          1. Mic1969 1 November 2015 17: 19 New
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            90% of them do not pay taxes anywhere.
            Quote: pentarhist
            They cannot use rubles in U.

            Yes, they can’t, therefore, they sell, thereby, although not much, but they influence.
  • roskot 1 November 2015 11: 54 New
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    It's time to put things in order in this matter. What privileges can be, except for citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    1. pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 20 New
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      2,6 million arrived. Of these, 1 million came from a war zone. In which Russia acted as the guarantor of peace (about the participation of Russia in the war in the Donbass - outside of this blog).
      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=834537#t834537

      "Official" refugees - 404 thousand people.
      These are those who were able to prove their refugee status.
      Of the 2,6 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia and of the 1 million (minimum) of those who did not leave Ukraine of their own free will.
      Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
      For example, there are no “political refugees” or “militia members”.
      They are not spelled out in the legislation.

      But in fact they are.
      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821993#t821993

      From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation - there is no "Novorossiya".
      There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war prove it separately.
      And yes, there is no “political refugee” status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.
      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820457#t820457
  • askort154 1 November 2015 11: 57 New
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    Everything is right! Those who come to stay away from the problems of conscription for a civil war (on both sides) or to the "coven", let them return, they are waiting for them - "visa-free" trips to the EU, "heroes of the Maidan" and
    American servants: Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk and Saakashvili. And refugees for political reasons, for the most part, have already been settled in Russia, having accepted the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
  • MIKHAN 1 November 2015 11: 58 New
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    Frau Merkel 3 billion for 400 thousand Arabs (mostly men) is ready to pay the Kiev junta ... Accept Ukraine and you will definitely get into the EU ...! We have 2.6 million ... and spent a lot more money! They want to take your places, it is time to show love for the Motherland, Ukrainians! Sorry, but we will kick you out with kicks, it’s time to jump in Kiev!
  • dckx 1 November 2015 11: 59 New
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    I'm afraid this decision is exclusively within the framework of security, the border is being closed - passports can be faked and sent prepared contingents for sabotage ....
  • BOB044 1 November 2015 12: 02 New
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    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
    Right, it's time, you need to give benefits to those who do not pour dirt on your country. And fighting the Nazis. And does not water our country when at home in Ukraine. And he makes an ingenious person when he makes money in Russia.
  • Mountain shooter 1 November 2015 12: 04 New
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    I didn’t even know how many Ukrainians in our country have Ukrainian citizenship. It is time for them to know the honor. Suitcase, train station, territory 404. Well, or a patent, and work. Got a few. Deal with your maydanutami-yourself.
    1. Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 28 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I didn’t even know how many Ukrainians in our country have Ukrainian citizenship.

      In fact, there are even more, many completely illegal.
  • pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 06 New
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    ... The practice of linking the filing of documents with the FMS with the registration of refugees at private addresses causes a situation in which almost all registration of displaced persons turns out to be “fake”: the FMS does not actually control the displaced persons, and the displaced persons are in fact violators of the legislation of the Russian Federation, without actually living at the addresses indicated in the documents. At the same time, as the official riveting of refugees to the FMS branches, indicating the actual address of their stay, would solve this problem.
    And finally, a bit of sociology. 83% of Russians believe that Ukrainian refugees should already "go home." Only 17% of the respondents agreed to their further stay in Russia.
    The official action of the FMS after December 1, 2015, if the refugee fails to issue permits within this period, according to the law, will be the deportation of refugees back to Ukraine. Including, of course, and political refugees and members of the militia. This, of course, if you follow the letter of the law.

    Or, judging by the current situation, about one and a half million citizens of Ukraine should apply for patents, RVP and citizenship in the remaining period of 30 days.
    .
    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
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    Quote: Observer2014
    But this had to be done a long time ago.

    Simple arithmetic-2600000-1000000 = 1600000 people-citizens of Ukraine excluding the Donbass. If among them at least 10% of the military are drafted, the problems with the recruitment of another wave are solved in Kiev. People in Russia are hiding from recruitment, and many mobilization waves have failed, and the fighting subsided. So, that is a moot point! Tajiks will drop in instead of Ukrainians. hi
    1. Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 25 New
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      And you don’t worry about mobilization. If Khokhlovoenkoms with 40 million did not score, then 1,6 million will not be collected. After all, you can hide from the draft not only in Russia, but also in the cache, with the mother under the skirt. In Russia, the truth was also possible to earn.
  • for_White_Only 1 November 2015 12: 13 New
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    Ahah)) the earplugs will go home) to the ground)) to clean the Polish toilets) Europe?
    suitcase, train station, kuev!
  • RUSLAN 1 November 2015 12: 17 New
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    I also think that they stayed, it’s time and honor to know! Who was zombied, time was to see, but not to see, so fate knows! Those who decide to stay as refugees or for permanent residence, I would check through the FSB!
  • Steppe 1 November 2015 12: 18 New
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    good Everything is correct. So now Russia supplies Ukraine not only gas, but also its own citizens with brainwashed.
  • AdekvatNICK 1 November 2015 12: 22 New
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    now we are going to everything and go to our beloved Europe or already stable Ukraine back.
  • MsRedMaster 1 November 2015 13: 14 New
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    They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

    And I'm not happy, let them have a lot of "stubborn" government r ... but, but for me personally, they still remain brothers. And in a difficult situation, I think we should help relatives of the people !!!
  • Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 20 New
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    Well, I want to say. As a representative of the building-coven community, I warmly approve.
  • Support 1 November 2015 13: 30 New
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    When these brothers and sisters with uncles and even a beat knows who, it interferes with manure in my country (I personally heard other Russians from refugees in Kamchatka in my address)) ..... I saw such relatives in a coffin.
  • Alexandr2637 1 November 2015 14: 13 New
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    At last! And then wherever you spit - around SHO yes SHO ...
    Let the grown fascists be destroyed at home!
  • Alexandr2637 1 November 2015 14: 17 New
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    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: Observer2014
    But this had to be done a long time ago.

    If among them at least 10% of those liable for military service, then the problems with the draft of another wave have been resolved in Kiev .. hi

    If among them at least 10% with weapons in their hands will stand against fascist evil in Ukraine ....
    1. afdjhbn67 1 November 2015 14: 49 New
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      Quote: Alexandr2637
      If among them at least 10% with weapons in their hands will stand against fascist evil in Ukraine ....

      Yes, no one wants to fight except those who are especially stubborn .. the cousin of his mother-in-law graduated from a university in Kiev - he still hasn’t taken the diploma, because the whole group will go to the war from the dean’s office immediately, except for the “thieves”
  • chunga-changa 1 November 2015 14: 34 New
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    Much ado about nothing. Previously, the residents of the rest of Ukraine did not need anything, they had to look at the FMS and they automatically renewed the registration without question. Now you just need to draw up documents, get a patent, as well as all the other visitors, it is not difficult. And Donbass residents still do not need to do this.
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    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Cen2rion
    Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape.

    Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

    And if you were born in the RSFSR, grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived in Russia, in their youth, during the Soviet Union, they left for the Ukrainian SSR according to their distribution after studies, in the 90s they were forced to obtain a Ukrainian passport, then everything was no longer native Russians, but traitors? .. So, let’s write others as well, we will refuse those who have considered themselves Russian all their lives and consider them regardless of their place of residence and stamp in their passport ...
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      Quote: Cen2rion
      And if you were born in the RSFSR, grandfathers and great-grandfathers
      lived in Russia, in youth, during the Soviet Union, left for the Ukrainian SSR according to distribution after studies

      Take and imagine Uchilka, who has been waiting 40 years for her habitation, and here the radical Russians suggest waiting another 10 years
      My own sister was assigned to Krasnoyarsk. What does it say. You are not a fig in your Moscow can not live. 30 years in Siberia and like it. Free land a little further away
  • Rigla 1 November 2015 14: 52 New
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    At last. Leave only political refugees and refugees from the Donbass, give them Russian citizenship. The rest of the filthy broom jumping into Bandera.
  • slizhov 1 November 2015 15: 46 New
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    It seems that our government has changed its mind.
    For those of us, we give them gas at a discount ...
    The blockade was tripled wherever it was possible, but we ... do not do this to the fraternal people ...
    No, so long ago we were told:
    "we will never be brothers,
    neither in the homeland, nor in the mother ... !!! "
    Maybe EVERYTHING and send them to their own mother, who brought her son into the light, capable of only pounding hooves with torches on paving stones ..?
  • pentarhist 1 November 2015 17: 48 New
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    90% of them do not pay taxes anywhere.


    This is except with the guest workers from Wed. Asia (yes, they probably pay more often), which will replace the Little Russians.
  • sounddoc 1 November 2015 18: 31 New
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    Here I am watching the forum users and I understand: but the main goal is still achieved ... I managed to drive a wedge between the Slavs, children of the same kind, branches of the same tree (I apologize for the patience)! "Divide and rule..."
    I want to describe the situation from the inside. The population of Ukraine today can be divided into three groups - stubborn, stupid and scared. I won’t talk about stubborn people, and everything is clear. As for stupid people: a group of people of different property, cultural, educational and intellectual levels who are sincerely they believe that everything was stolen by Yanukovych, Putin is to blame for everything. The holy people believe in ravings about a ukrozomboyaschik, wear embroidered shirts, forgetting that whoever puts on an embroidered shirt does not automatically become a Ukrainian, but remains a fool in an embroidered shirt. This group does not have a clear distinction between partial overflow of the masses from one group to another is observed.
    Frightened people are the largest part of the nenki’s population, and the east, the higher their numbers. For various reasons, fear for oneself for the lives of loved ones, the weakness of the spirit, the traditional “moihataskrai” sit quieter than water, lower than grass and are afraid to open their mouths or simply raise their heads ...
    The situation is difficult, joyless, dreary. Some dumb people have already begun to reach through empty pockets and stomachs, that everything is not as glamorous as UkroTV suggests. But in conversations they still cling to phrases like "it all went to ... with Yanukovych would have become even worse ... Yanukovych was preparing to surrender the Crimea ... Russia wanted to conquer us, etc., "but they utter this nonsense with an ever less confident voice ...
    You can talk endlessly ... and is it worth it ... with all due respect to the personality and talent of the GDP, I cannot but mention one fundamental error: the official recognition of the junta in the long run has brought Russia more losses than dividends ...
    So that's it, the Russian brothers ... sadly (((((((((((
    1. boris-1230 1 November 2015 22: 58 New
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      I managed to drive a wedge between the Slavs, children of the same kind, branches of the same tree (I apologize for the pathos)!

      Than to have such relatives - it is better to remain an orphan! hi
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    Outside of the quota, there are also everyone who came under the resettlement assistance program.
    Anpilogov-
    Yes, I gave you a figure - 60 people moved in under this program.
    I perfectly know the fate of these immigrants, since some of my friends took advantage of it. In the best case, enough to pay for housing and food, in the worst case - not enough for anything.
    Because in general, the program offers fairly depressed areas in which many people simply do not find work in their specialty.

    "Russia pays 800 rubles a day for the maintenance of such refugees (per person), so 24 thousand rubles a month for the Russian hinterland is very complete."
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    Russia does not pay this money to refugees, it’s enough to quote this duck here. Russia spends such an amount on refugees, refugees do not receive anything in their hands - and do not demand, because they have no right.
    In general, you can ask how much money has been spent on this program of creating a temporary placement (without taking into account what has been done for this money), it will work to accommodate 100-150 thousand people for a month or two.
    What they said at the round table. Now the refugees live on their own; no one wears anything in their beak.

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    Anpilogov-
    The cost of a patent varies by region.
    In Moscow, the advance on personal income tax is 4000 per month, which displays the cost of a patent in the amount of 48 rubles per year. Plus, the cost of registration.
    In the regions - less, but there are also salaries, excuse me, not Moscow.
    But, in general, the entire policy of the FMS is aimed at transferring everyone to the patent and to the "shops" that execute it.

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  • Reptiloid 1 November 2015 19: 19 New
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    Quote: Finches
    I understand! That people didn’t come from a good life! They need to feed their families and survive, but as soon as I hear a southern Ukrainian dialect somewhere on Sennaya, Nevsky or Angliysky Prospekt, hatred captures me - why not here?
    in his European, prosperous state, not in his beloved Europe, or not from his masters in Washington ???
    I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!

    I didn’t understand a bit. I’m not ironic. I walk along the same streets as you. SOUTH UKRAINIAN never heard a dialect. South RUSSIAN ---- maybe sometimes on Angliysky Prospekt. After 3 minutes --- MUSEUM NOVOROSSII. People can come to heal. Severely ill. Someone should bring them.
    Builders are probably trying to work more in the area. They’re trying not to be visible. This is my impression.
  • pilot bin-bom 1 November 2015 19: 40 New
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    This is only a half measure - 90 days. It is necessary to switch to a visa regime. No, really! Died - so dead!
  • S_Baykala 1 November 2015 20: 24 New
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    Quote: Finches
    ... look at the preliminary results of the last elections in Ukraine .... in fourth place is the Lyashko Radical Party - 8,6%,

    How do you comment on these election results?


    I’m sorry that I’m getting into a conversation and a little off topic, but personally these numbers just kill me: almost 9% support the rear-wheel drive in the person of the leader of this party. Tin. But you have to multiply by 2: I, of course, am not a super psychologist, but for some reason it seems to me that women have a certain disgust for this type of male person and are unlikely to vote for them (who reads the party program? Yes, almost anyone vote for the person , symbol, leader), cross them out. That is, judging by the statistics, the data of males in Ukraine is almost 20%! Get crazy.
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    It’s not necessary to “pity” them seriously ---- they, unlike us, make good money here, and upon arrival they pour mud on the country, which they 1) fed for a long time and gave work 2) they never really reproached them with a piece of bread unlike their Ukraine .....
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      why such a proposition (watered with mud) for all that respected is not worth talking about? I worked with Ukrainians for more than a dozen years (the driller had a “forest brother” like that) and you didn’t have any excesses at work and at home (field season 6 months) .. they are people everywhere (if people of course )