The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

The preferential migration regime granted to Ukrainian citizens is no longer valid. Preferential conditions of stay in the Russian Federation are reserved only for refugees from Donbass, reports RIA News.

The agency recalls that the preferential treatment was introduced for Ukrainians last year "in connection with the hostilities in the east of the country." To extend the period of stay in the territory of the Russian Federation, it was enough for citizens of Ukraine to apply with a passport and migration card to the FMS. The rule was valid until 1 August 2015.

“Now Ukrainians will be able to stay in Russia on the general rules: no more than 90 days within six months. For a long stay in Russia, they need to either obtain a work permit or issue another suitable status, ”the agency writes.

FMS RF 1 August gave Ukrainian 90 migrants days to determine their status. Those who wanted to stay could easily get permits for work. This is a general rule for all migrants from CIS countries with whom visa-free relations are established.

Those who have not legalized during this time will have to leave Russia within 30 days, otherwise they will be denied entry for a period from 3 to 10 years.

For residents of Donbass preferential treatment extended. In total, there are about 1 million of immigrants from the east of Ukraine in the Russian Federation. The total number of Ukrainians in Russia is 2,6 million.

Comments

[Observer2014]

The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
But this should have been done for a long time. If you go only for a visit or for always. And from Donbass to make it easier for people to stay. There should not be any "zrabitkov" here!

[Lord of the Sith]

They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

Overview of the situation in Donetsk

It is sad, but the AFU command does not change its habits - to start shelling on Friday evening and until Monday morning. So it happened this time:
On Friday evening, at about 18:00 p.m., shelling began from a small-arms fighter from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Peski at the positions of the militia at the traffic police post. Then, the Ukrainian fascists began shelling the village of Vodyanoye. BCH began to respond, a short shooting battle ensued. A little later, after about an hour, the Ukrainian mortar battery opened fire. They beat as usual "where the Ukrainian will send", that is, in residential areas, one civilian was wounded in the village of Vodyanoye, they said that a militia was also killed, but then the rumors were not confirmed. But ukrov, judging by the radio interception, from the return fire of the militia, one 200th and one 300th. Nonetheless, the mortar battery operated for two more hours intermittently in residential areas.
On Saturday morning, as we are accustomed to, mortar shelling began again. He was in the area of ​​the railway station and clearly heard 120-mm mines falling at Oktyabrsky, or maybe at the airport. Who does not know, the Oktyabrsky microdistrict begins right after the railway station, stretches north to the airport and the village of Vodyanoye.
The most interesting thing is that at the station itself and at the bazaar, people did not even scatter or fall to the ground, they got used to this cannonade for a year and a half. In stores, prices are rising, and pensions are at the same level, so people, despite the risk of being killed by a splinter, go to the bazaar to buy at least something for their pennies, where food prices are lower. But in general, terrible things, you imagine - a European or North American city, mines arrive, and earlier shells, but people are not afraid, but in a hurry. That's right, you can’t imagine ... This went on for about 4 hours with breaks between volleys, apparently the Ukrainian battery was changing positions. It was quiet during the day, and again in the evening from 18 to 22, mines began to pour again at our houses and again intermittently. They’ll do their dirty work, too, oh, these sprinters, they would need to tear off their legs ...
I have many relatives and friends on Ukrainian territory, some have old people left there and cannot be abandoned, some have small children, so far they have not left and live. As they say, we call up and correspond, so relatives and friends in their villages noticed a large number of new soldiers, the uniforms on them are completely different and everything with backpacks behind their backs. The new ones are immediately evident, those soldiers who have been sitting here in the villages for a year look like homeless people, and they already know the villages, especially the two roads - to the liquor store and the post office, to send to their wives that we have been robbed. And these new arrivals, firstly there are many, up to several hundred, secondly they are dressed all the same, and still look neat, and in the third I don’t know anything and walk around wandering with a dull look, like beaten dogs. Compare on various videos, what a cheerful mood among the defenders of New Russia and these “dill”, but simply the Nazis with grim faces and dead eyes.
In general, they brought them to hell. They only have a rotation for them, and maybe they are preparing for the offensive, but it’s for sure not for the winter!
What Sunday will show, let's see.

All patience and be healthy!

[avt]

Quote: Sith Lord

They say fake

No, they really canceled it, the only question is how they will execute, well, what directive did they go to places - tighten the nuts, or rush in a hurry. By the way, DAM signed the promise to Ssynukovich in case of signing an agreement with the EU and postponed until 2016 - the abolition of preferential customs tariffs on the remaining delivered products from Ukraine.

Quote: Stroibat stock

I don’t understand what kind of refugees, and even with a preferential regime, they can be from Galicia, Lviv, Poltava, etc.,

You confuse the concept - then, so that they wouldn’t give the army the benefit of being ALL, especially, and now they specifically decided to ask the visitors a question - Who are you? You’ll decide whether you want citizenship, a refugee, or you’ve come to work and that’s normal, and the right time was a wagon and a trolley in addition, to decide and even get settled. But what a cut Benny started with Offal! It's expensive to watch! Gunpowder went all in for a bank - Odessa Bene, Transcarpathia blew up the Balogam, but decided to hit Beni’s very heart in Dnepropetrovsk.

[hydrox]

Quote: avt

the only question is how they will execute

But this had to be done earlier (to finish the deportation to the election process), but even now the political effect will be very significant - they will have something to compare, life in Russia and life in Ukria.

[victor]

Goodbye to the unwashed Russia !!!! Europe is waiting !!! It remains only to dig an underground passage. They won’t give a visa. But nothing - a muzzle with a wax, hair with curlers - and dance a europ - soon you will ... If necessary, we will accept Islam.

[Lelek]

Quote: avt

decide whether you want citizenship, a refugee, or you came to work and that’s normal, and the right time was a car and a trolley in addition

Right. But Ukrainian emigrants expected to sit out, resolve, but did not resolve. But picking them out of cities and weights is not an easy task. Some without registration have been living for 5 years and are not going to register. Here the task for district police officers (hemorrhoids, of course) is to work hard.

[Rostov]

Quote: Lelek

But picking them out of cities and weights is not an easy task.

Come on. It depends on what task will be set. If instructions come to the headquarters, then they will pick it up in a week, it has been checked on Tajiks and Georgians at one time.

Quote: Lelek

Here the task for the district (hemorrhoids, of course) - you have to work hard

If the district policeman is permanent, then he knows everyone who lives, where he works or works part-time. The problem is that there are not so many of them left now. But I repeat, if there is a necessary instruction, 90% of illegal immigrants will work out in a week, if only the courts have time to make decisions, and the bailiffs should be deported.

[captain]

I cannot understand only one thing, why it is impossible to simplify the acquisition of citizenship for Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs .... living in the territory of the former Soviet Union republics? And for the indigenous nationalities of the Russian Federation to make it on the principle of "blood"? We have a program for the resettlement of "compatriots", I advise the commentators to ask where people are offered to go, what to live in and where and by whom to work. In my opinion, it certainly does not solve anything, but I think that our state needs to invite, lure, persuade, etc., all Russians, Tatars ... and representatives of other indigenous peoples of Russia to us. With our vast territory, we need, according to our scientists, 500 million inhabitants, so that we have a normal economy. With population growth rates like ours, we will never achieve this.

[rom8726]

That's right. First, they yell that the population is small, we will protect all Russians, the collapse of the USSR is the greatest tragedy and 25 million Russians have remained abroad, but in reality nobody needs anyone.

[rom8726]

And if there is no type work for them - to expel one million two Tajik guest workers and there will be work

[Starley from the south]

Quote: rom8726

And if there is no type work for them - to expel one million two Tajik guest workers and there will be work

What are the poor Tajiks guilty of? They are definitely better than dill.

[rom8726]

Nigretos or some Sasha Gray are given the same citizenship, and without any problems

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

One of our moderators gave me a warning for such a HUNTED "American of African descent"!

[segamegament]

Indians live in India, Indians in America (well, they should have lived), and Negroes in Africa, why the ban?

[edge]

Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov

One of our moderators gave me a warning for such a HUNTED "American of African descent"!

well, it’s understandable, a server is in Germany, it’s worth it

[Cen2rion]

I agree! Last May, my dad and mother left Donetsk under the whistle of mortar fragments, from the very frontier, from the village of Oktyabrsky. Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape. At all instances, more than once passed. This is necessary, then .... Everything goes with a creak. But the native Russian, from the Novgorod region and Izhevsk. Where are all the loud statements about repatriation, where are the preferential conditions for refugees? ... The bureaucracy is invincible ????

[Tusv]

Quote: Cen2rion

Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape.

Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

[Tusv]

In vain, put the cons

Where are all the loud statements about repatriation, where are the preferential conditions for refugees? ... The bureaucracy is invincible ????

And who promised you the Leningrad and Moscow registration?
The law works. Allocate land for free. Just did not try to get it

[BARKHAN]

The man writes that his parents came to him ... please read carefully.
In Penza, the Federal Migration Service works more efficiently. I personally know 5 families from Donbass, all with children. They received citizenship in about six months, work immediately ... the children, already, proudly say - "We are Russians!" let it wash. And if someone is banderized even a little, drive without talking ... Europeans-fuck to Europe!

[Starley from the south]

Here, near Rostov-on-Don, "refugees" from Dill (not from Donbass) tried to pump their license, they were not tolerated for long, they drove the buses and "go to your Dnepropetrovsk, they don't shoot there." So these "refugees" were vividly subdued and now do not arise. It all depends on the local authorities.

[97110]

Quote: Tusv

Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

Mother-in-law. Born in the Yaroslavl region In the Far East, I met my future husband. Having built what the Komsomol members needed, they left for their husband’s homeland. Not abroad, as you understand. To Ukraine, to Donbass. The husband was dismissed for official inconsistency. She raised, gave higher education to two daughters, who long ago in Russia. Since November 2013, she has already been taken out 2 times, we are applying for citizenship. Now she has fled to the Donbass again, she is looking for her pension. Broken glass (hail passed) partially inserted, lives. You have to take it back again. She has nobody there! Here (in Russia) there are 2 daughters, 2 grandchildren and a granddaughter, 2 great-grandchildren and are still waiting. Ukrainian passport with a note that the person is in the process ... And she is over 80 already. Answered you?

[Gloomstar]

Citizens of the CIS receive a simplification, and within six months you can get it, but for this you need to collect documents, your wife did, so what you write is an exaggeration. Who wants to get it, and who said that everything will be brought to you on a silver platter, but I had to run but nothing, there is a result, so cry less and collect documents hard and go, there are not so many of them, you just need to know which sites where This procedure is fully described.

[alekc75]

here I don’t lie, I was born in Russia but I can’t get a passport 2 years FMS pulls although I have to get it in a simplified form

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: alekc75

don't lie here

he doesn’t lie, mom got for 3 months I'm for 6

[yastr]

And I was born in Belarus, I got citizenship with my mother for three years (my father received it automatically, a serviceman of the Russian Federation), although I never had any other, my mother generally had a USSR passport until 1999 ..
And then, we were lucky, clung to the fact that the mother lived with his father in Serpukhov for a year, while he was finishing school.

[Starley from the south]

Quote: alekc75

passport can not get xnumx year fms pulls

The FMS in this case violates the law, definitely!

[Sinbad]

It's time to create a site where you can post the names and positions of bureaucrats, red tape and bribe-takers, with a description of their deeds. Let the people know their "heroes".

[Mihalich17]

Sorry, but let me disagree with you!
I think your conclusions are erroneous, emotional, and completely unreasonable regarding Donbass, including! Let's flood less and if you have something to say, bring the facts!
Regards, to your opinion!

[your1970]

arrived, met well, lived for 4 months, said "We are not used to living this way" and left for the Moscow region ..
With our vast territory - 3 / 5 territories are not suitable for a comfortable life and 9 / 10 are not provided with work ..

[Ajevgenij]

I personally had to deal with this program (compatriots resettlement program). I can say this is pure props and assimilation of state. the budget. There is such a lot of pieces of paper and bureaucracy, just get lost. Despite the fact that there are no guarantees about obtaining citizenship. And the very salt in the registration. If no one prescribes you in the Russian Federation, then all the efforts and money spent on the move will be reset to zero, so I was forced to refuse to move to the Russian Federation.
State Declarations officials is one thing, but the real thing is the opposite.

[alekc75]

it's for sure- time and a bunch of papers and wait 2 years

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: alekc75

a bunch of papers and wait 2 years

I wonder why lying or writing something you don’t know? !!

[Sinbad]

I repeat - it’s not the program, but the specific officials.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Ajevgenij

I personally had to deal with this program (compatriots resettlement program). I can say this is pure props and assimilation of state. the budget. There is such a lot of pieces of paper and bureaucracy, just get lost.

can you call this "heap" ?!

Quote: Ajevgenij

Despite the fact that there are no guarantees about obtaining citizenship

but this is pure lies

Quote: Ajevgenij

If no one prescribes you in the Russian Federation, then all the efforts and money spent on moving will be reset to zero,

do not write nonsense

Quote: Ajevgenij

Therefore, he was forced to refuse to move to the Russian Federation.

I think that's not why

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Vasilenko Vladimir

I do not agree. Some articles in the laws on refugees and immigrants are spelled out clearly, everything goes as it should. And where different interpretations are possible, there is expanse for officials and bribes. Therefore, they are pulled up to 2 years. With a voice recorder, and even better with a video camera, you need to go to them and record them - for some competent authorities such recordings can be very useful.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Starley from the South

Some articles in the laws on refugees and immigrants

actually a friend wrote specifically about the resettlement program

[Down House]

Quote: captain

With our vast territory, we need, according to our scientists, 500 million inhabitants, so that we have a normal economy.

A link to these scientists can be?
The main thing is that not at the beginning of the 20th century - the calculations of these scientists after 100 years are no longer relevant: one robot replaces 100 workers, one tractor replaces 10 peasants, one machine replaces the cashier))

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Down House

one robot replaces 100 workers,

Can't you give a link to the robot?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

http://dairy-farm.ru/doilnye-zaly

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: avt

No, they really canceled it, the only question is how they will execute, well, what directive did they go to places - tighten the nuts, or rush in a hurry

This is the most interesting moment, two families from Ukraine have been renting apartments in my house for more than a year, and somehow they don’t bother registering or patrolling themselves, they work for themselves, they install air conditioners, shutters, etc. etc. And by the way, they themselves are far from the Donbass.

Something like this is, Dear colleagues.

[Baikonur]

On Friday evening, at about 18:00 p.m., shelling began from a small-arms fighter from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Peski at the positions of the militia at the traffic police post. Then, the Ukrainian fascists began shelling the village of Vodyanoye.

I sympathize! Sith Lord, why not destroy? Why do they suffer? No strength left? Can't get pissed off at the OSCE? WHAT? keeps you from cutting out these little corners at night, in the morning, quietly, when everyone is sleeping in a sweet dream? And so that no one would guess! Operator "Y"!
And the dawns here are quiet!

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Baikonur

I sympathize! Sith Lord, why not destroy? Why do they suffer? No strength left? Can't get pissed off at the OSCE? WHAT? keeps you from cutting out these little corners at night, in the morning, quietly, when everyone is sleeping in a sweet dream? And so that no one would guess! Operator "Y"!
And the dawns here are quiet!

Usually they cover the art like this, not letting them relax for several hours or days, and then the militia makes a short art raid and covers the lazy ones to change the position of the Ukrainian artillerymen.

[Baikonur]

I said, I asked why not:

cut these carbohydrates at night, in the morning, quiet

And not about

then the militia makes a short art plaque and covers, lazy, to change the position of Ukrainian artillerymen.

I'm talking about a quiet intelligence operation using decomp. special means and leaving a black mark from "everyone knows!" insurgent-separatist-impudent group that no one knows from the OZ country, which no one knows, so as not to expose the LDNR and Russia! Saying: "We ourselves do not know them, these are some crazy insane, we are looking, when we find, we will destroy!"

[edge]

Quote: Baikonur

I'm talking about a quiet intelligence operation using decomp. special means and leaving a black mark from "everyone knows!"

be friends with my friend’s head, first try at least to go to a piglet with a knife .....

[SeAl2014]

Not a fake. Right And it is right.

[Rom14]

if they are allowed and they fire ..., we weren’t sent perfumes for a long time in Afghanistan .., they weren’t allowed, and we didn’t have any corrector drones and didn’t hear about thermal imagers, and if only the border guards have night vision devices one thousand versts .. of course they hit us from around the corner and from the mountain, but so that, with impunity from the plain and famous places, some savagery .. Maybe something I don’t understand ..

[edge]

Quote: Rom14

some wildness .. Maybe something I don’t understand ..

I don’t like that they forgot about them ... The Geyropa is worried about the emigrants (it will be hard for the rainbow ones to have to run away from .... or dress up as a burqa) .... and partially Syria.

[Tor5]

Lord of the Sith (1) SU  Today, 11:19 ↑


They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

Overview of the situation in Donetsk

Thank you, dear Friend for the next, honest and truthful story!

[Normal ok]

Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: Normal ok

Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

I answer. Peski village 4km from my house, Ukrainians are standing there, fire is being fired from the line of Peski village and the village of Experienced at Oktyabrsky and the airport, which are 1,2 km from the village of Peski.

[svp67]

Quote: Normal ok

Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

This is if you use a mortar, and if you fire from 120 mm "NONA" then the radius increases to 12 km so that we take a compass and draw two circles from the places where mines fall, according to the scale of the map or plans ...

[bulvas]

Now they will often have to enjoy the ban on flights between Russia and Ukraine

[forest park 86]

let them go on foot, ghouls

[Finches]

I understand! That people didn’t come from a good life! They need to feed their families and survive, but as soon as I hear a southern Ukrainian dialect somewhere on Sennaya, Nevsky or Angliysky Prospekt, hatred captures me - why not here?
in his European, prosperous state, not in his beloved Europe, or not from his masters in Washington ???
I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

I hear the southern Ukrainian dialect, then hatred captures me right after all

Hatred is a bad adviser.
In this case, hatred pushes you to consider ALL Ukrainians equally bad (Bandera, Nazis, etc.). Don't let hate blind you. Firstly, all more than 40 million cannot be Bandera. And secondly, such thoughts are actively promoted (both in Russia and in Ukraine) by Western "friends", so that mutual hatred encourages the Slavs to kill each other.
After all, if all the inhabitants of Ukraine are bastards, then they can drop a nuclear bomb on them. So what? Bastards do not mind.

Do not succumb to hatred. There are a lot of good people in Ukraine. Many who are for Russia. And many would like to help Russia, but only Russia does not conduct any work with them. And this is one of the reasons why they cannot manifest themselves in any way.

[Finches]

I have already spoken here many times about this, about good and bad Ukrainians, but I can’t help myself! And even hearing the South Ukrainian dialect, I remember Bogomolov "In August 44" and imagine the number of Banders that shot our fighters in the back, and those who were not killed, kind Russia let out of the camps and appointed a pension - so they themselves and through their fosterlings are now kind and answer:

"Features ... Speaks with a South Russian accent ... And, perhaps ... crooked legs ... South Russian dialect! .. Faster! .. Konovalov? Konovalov has a duck nose ... Golovatenko? .. Tattoo on the wrist left hand ... Yakovlev Ivan? .. Short upper lip ... Mazanov? .. Caught! Stepanov? .. Tall, thin, with a protruding Adam's apple ... Shimko? Brunette! .. Fedulov? .. Wiggly, wide eyebrows , noticeably mows ... Eliseev? .. Ivanitsky? .. Serdyuk? .. Netrebin? .. Gulyaev? .. Orlov Vasily? .. Terentyev? .. Filippenko? .. Lisetsky? .. Commemoration? .. South Russian dialect and slightly crooked legs! .. Think! .. Think faster and don't be silent! ..

Kosheva? Hazel eyes, on ... left cheek ... Alekseev? .. Fused eyebrows, concave anti-tragus ... Scab? .. Caught! Ignatov Vasily? .. Brunet! Revyakin? .. Boychevsky? .. Lysenko? .. Guryanov Denis? .. Wormwood? .. Mishchenko? ..

Mishchenko? !! South Russian dialect ... crooked, like cavalrymen’s legs ... eyes with narrowed eyes ... Is it possible Mishchenko ?! A verbal portrait ... Perhaps ... Mishchenko is nine hundred and five ... He is thirty-nine ... And this? ... thirty-five? Forty? ... Is it really Mishchenko ?!

Documents - openwork! The mosquito will not undermine the nose! If it is linden, then it is of the highest quality. A linden tree that cannot be visually taken, behind which is the state! Who are they ?! .. And if ... How then are they? .. Mishchenko is especially dangerous during arrest! .. Do not wait ... Is it really Mishchenko? .. "

And for me the same moment of truth has come! "Grandma has arrived!" It's good to sit on the neck of Russia, while constantly pouring slops!

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

Imagine the number of bander that shot our fighters in the back,

Why can't you imagine other "quantities"? For instance:
"- 17.4%, or 2021 people out of 11, Heroes of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War are Ukrainians"
"- 25% of twice Heroes of the Soviet Union - originally from Ukraine"

Just think: who benefits from your hatred? Obviously not in Russia's favor.

Well, some more numbers:

[Finches]

Do not distort! Your friends, Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, betrayed the memory of all those who died in a terrible massacre, equating them with the invaders, and elevating Nazi accomplices to the rank of national heroes! Moreover, most Ukrainians were silent for 23 years watching this!
I’m talking about my personal feelings of communicating with the Ukrainians of today - not those who have lived in Russia all their lives, and from there come in large numbers - boorish, neglectful of Russians towards us! As for work - they rummage around like pigs in oranges - I want it, I don’t want it ... They say we are Ukrainians - Europeans, and you are not a decree to us barbarians!

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

Your friends Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, equating them with the invaders!

I myself live in Ukraine. Also in the "aspen nest" itself - Dnepropetrovsk.
Neither my friends nor I spat on the Heroes of the Soviet Union, but on the contrary, went out on May 9 to congratulate them. And now it’s not safe ...

Why do you hate me and my friends?

Quote: Finches

I'm talking about my personal feelings of communication with the Ukrainians of today

You are again trying to smear everyone with one paint. Are the Russians around you "the same color"? Or is the Russian "liberal opposition" dearer to you than the pro-Russian Ukrainians?

[Finches]

Good! You and your friends are normal people, but let me, if you decide to speak the language of statistics, see the preliminary results of the last elections in Ukraine (data from the Donbass website http://www.donbass-info.com/content/view/24566/ 24577 /):

"Who goes to the city councils of the largest cities?

For example, in the capital, according to a poll, in the elections to the Kiev City Council, the pro-presidential force BPP-Solidarity retains its leadership with 18,2%, Yulia Tymoshenko's Batkivshchyna party took second place with 15,1%, and the Samopomich Association closed the top three. "- 11,1%, in fourth place is the Lyashko's Radical Party - 8,6%, and the Democratic Alliance lacks 0,5% to overcome the passing barrier.

New political projects "Hromadska Position", "UKROP", "Movement for Reforms", the "Ordinary People" party and the "Resolute Citizens" party are at the level of statistical error. Although there is another sociology, which demonstrates that, in addition to the three leaders, the City Council "Movement for Reforms"; "UKROP", "Unity" and "Party of Resolute Citizens" and VO "Svoboda".

Three of the six parties entering the Lviv City Council are non-parliamentary. "Samopomich" received 32,9% of the electoral support, 6,9% of Lviv residents are ready to vote for the "Solidarity" BPP, the "Our Land" party closes the top three - 6% of respondents would vote for it. They are followed by Civil Position (5,8%), VO Svoboda (5,6%) and People's Control (4,3%).

Five parties are confidently entering the city council of Dnepropetrovsk: "Opposition Bloc", "UKROP", "Hromadska Sila", "Association" Samopomich "and" Bloc of Petro Poroshenko ".
According to the results of the elections on October 25, five parties can enter the Kharkiv City Council. Vozrozhdenie, the first number on the electoral list of which is Gennady Kernes, with a score of 30,8%, Association Samopomich - 8,65%, Nash Krai - 6,2%, Petro Poroshenko's Block Solidarity - 5,4 , 4,9%, "People's Control" is on the verge of the passing barrier - XNUMX%.
In Odessa, according to a poll, the party "Trust Deeds" of the incumbent mayor Gennady Trukhanov is gaining about 40% in the elections to the City Council. BPP, Opposition Bloc, "Ukrainian Sea Party" of Serhiy Kivalov and "Samopomich" overcome the 5% barrier, but significantly lag behind the party of the incumbent mayor. In the Batkivshchyna party, referring to their data, they expect to gain 10% of the votes in the city elections.
In Zaporozhye, the city council includes six parties: "Opposition bloc", "Solidarity", UKROP, "Nash Krai", "Batkivshchyna" and "Samopomich".
In Nikolaev, five parties fall into the city council: "Opposition bloc" "Our land" "Samopomich", "Solidarity" and "Vozrozhdenie".
In Vinnitsa, a new party "Vinnitsa European Strategy" of Volodymyr Groisman is predicted to win the elections to the City Council.

As we can see, and you know the political programs of the party data better than I do, then nothing will most likely change in the policy of Ukraine! A more or less sane "Opposition Bloc", but it only wins a little bit in the eastern regions, and also a fan of talking about the peculiarities of the Ukrainian path!

How do you comment on these election results?

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

How do you comment on these election results?

For starters, see how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%. Less than half.
And now let's look at the nest of the party Dill - Dnepropetrovsk.
Patrimony of the Kolomoisky creator of the Dill party.
According to the results of voting, Dill scored 25% of the vote. That is a quarter of the 43% of voters who came !!! That is, a little more than 10% of voters voted for Dill !!!
And this is in spite of the fact that their headquarters is here, the whole city is pasted over with dill, their advertisements from all screens and radio. After all, this is "the most powerful Jewish community in the world," as the Prime Minister of Israel said when he visited Dnepropetrovsk a few years ago.

So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you recall the Maidan, then less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there. And as the attempts to organize the Maidan this summer have shown, this is unrealistic without powerful foreign intervention.

Do not rush to conclusions about the sanity of the "opposition bloc". The leader of this block is the former governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region. And there are no illusions about him and his team here. People just tried to choose the lesser of two evils. And the massive psychological pressure of the media greatly prevented people from thinking with their own heads. My relative voted for Dill. Why she did this she could not explain (there is clearly some kind of zombie effect). Alas, such is the ugly face of universal suffrage: when homeless people, drug addicts, criminals in colonies, psychos in madhouses and housewives participate in elections.

[Finches]

Okay, why argue that? I heard you, and if we put aside emotions, I understood perfectly, but unfortunately, the fact remains that Ukraine made its choice. Rather, what was left in it, except for Crimea, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. I didn’t even do it today, and not yesterday, but 23 years ago! There are other examples in the post-Soviet space: Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and other former republics. ... we haven’t slipped to such an outspoken Russophobia! We have worthy and mutually beneficial relations with Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan lies a little under the Americans, but not so openly as Ukraine, Turkmenistan - it’s on its own mind ... Only Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states, but I don’t take those into account, they are not even Slavs and all my life they creeped at Western values, fell to the lowest level of political prostitution! We will leave the same to Genatsvale aside, but Ukraine, a Slavic and Orthodox country, has, among other things, also reached frenzied national-fascism!

The slogan "Ukraine - tse Europe", "Ukraine pane usse", "Mos ... lyaku on gilyaku", torchlight processions in the center of Kiev and Bender's cry "Glory to Ukraine", civil war against its people, burnt Odessa ... - there is eloquent indicators of the current state of affairs in Ukraine, and what is really happening in the minds of people, and not yours, I beg your pardon the election figures!

Yours!

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

Ukraine made its choice

You are repeating the widespread mistake of thinking that Ukraine has the ability to choose something. I have already written many times that Ukraine is not a subject of international relations, but an object. She is not one of the players - she is a chessboard on which many players play their games. Just a battlefield. And the Ukrainians had the "happiness" to live on the battlefield. Nobody really cares about the opinion of those who live on the battlefield, because all real players know that it is worthless.

[Finches]

Now, perhaps, yes! Ukraine is only a territory, but 23 years old, it was still the Republic of Ukraine ... Yes, I’m also in my native Kiev, how I relate to all this ... I certainly don’t tell me but by the construction of sentences and intonations, I understand that in all the modern troubles of Ukraine, they consider anyone, mainly Russia, but not themselves to blame ... So you do not surprise me at all, saying that Ukrainians do not solve anything!

[cuzmin.mihail2013]

No need to live on the battlefield. They are fighting there! If you want to stay, choose a side and fight for it. Do not want to - run away, crawl away. But do not get in the way!

[revnagan]

Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013

No need to live on the battlefield.

Oh, if your words were heard by the inhabitants of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk ...

[edge]

Quote: vladek64

Ukraine is not a subject of international relations, but an object. She is not among the players - she is a chessboard on which many players play their games.

I bet the outskirts are not a board for games, this is a loop for a hook (stuck, stuck out ....)

[alekc75]

and who brought up young huh? not your generation ???

[Roman13]

I absolutely agree with you. Ukraine can be said to betray the Slavic world and its history.

[edge]

Quote: Roman13

I absolutely agree with you. Ukraine can be said to betray the Slavic world and its history.

but how else, let’s recall the history of the Tatars, Turks, Psheks, Germans, Swedes, French, and others for centuries .... they fucked the Slavic gene pool% 30 ...

[I am human]

And in the other direction you have not enough mind to look?

[revnagan]

Quote: Finches

the fact remains - Ukraine made its choice. Rather, what was left in it, except for Crimea, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

Yes, if it were not for the prompt intervention of the "polite", then the Crimea and Donbass would have also made "their" choice! Remember the events before the referendum in Crimea. The Tatars instantly organized, armed themselves, held rallies ... Just a little, and " the choice "would have been made. It's good that the" Berkut "came from Kiev, the" green men "arrived, and the Tatars were shown who the real owner was. And the Russian population could not organize itself! God forbid, the Tatars and Bandera would take over , Would you also accuse the Russians in the Crimea of ​​treason?

[vit8180]

Hello everyone!
vladek64, I want to ask you - "look how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%" - where are the remaining 60-57%? "My hut is on the edge"? Or "I need it"?
"So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you remember the Maidan, less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there." That's exactly what we judge by 99% of the population of Ukraine !!!
Better look at DONBASS and LUGANSK !!! Here they SHOULD !!! And they fight for every "HUT from the Edge" !!!
I repeat once again: Whoever wants to is looking for an opportunity! Who does not want - the reason ......

[vladek64]

Quote: vit8180

where are the rest 60-57%? "My hut is on the edge"? Or "I need it"?

Some part of it is really a "hut on the edge", but the majority simply could not make a choice among the offered varieties of crap.
Do you think there was a choice in this election? I can tell you what choice was - among the nationalists (fed by Western and "southern" Russophobes) and among the former regionals of Yanukovych, who under Yanukovych so enthusiastically participated in the plundering of the country by the oligarchs that they did not even notice how this country was pissed off. Do you think any of them arouse sympathy among the Ukrainians?
Pro-Russian parties and politicians were destroyed and fled. Even pro-Russian media were closed, and Russian television channels were banned.
My question is, why did not a single Russian channel appeal to the international court about a violation of freedom of speech? Waiting for a team from the Kremlin. And they either forgot to submit it, or vice versa - they gave the command to sit not rock the boat.

Quote: vit8180

Better look at DONBASS and LUGANS !!!

You better take a close look at Donbass yourself. Even here, the site has already published information about what is happening there. Russia had to significantly increase the corps of its "observers" so that the LPNR would not completely slide into Makhnovism and banditry. Comparing the result with the number of people killed and the extent of the destruction, many are very disappointed. If you noticed, then somehow the desire of people to create people's republics passed away. On the contrary, a powerful anti-Russian argument appeared - "Do you want it to be like in Donbass?" This means both sacrifice and destruction and a completely incomprehensible future. Those who hoped for help from Russia have almost ceased to hope.

[Finches]

And here for you, dear vladek64, another sketch - look at the statistical data taken by me from the Ukrainian site: http: //novosti-n.org/news/read/95430.html, about the dynamics of the state of the richest people in Ukraine! Very interesting data in fact - everything is in shit and only one d'Artagnan! Nevertheless, you do not suit the Maidan, do not shout, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief, and his party, the PP Bloc, is included in all the councils of Ukraine ...

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

Nevertheless, you do not suit the Maidan, do not scream, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief

I did not arrange and do not arrange Maidans at all and do not shout "Thief!" Because I understand that after each Maidan it only gets worse.
And only those who have a roof abroad can blame the authorities publicly for theft. And again: why? After a thief is publicly called a thief, what will he cry for and run away?

And the picture that you showed is a typical oligarchic regime. Is the Russia of Yeltsin's time really different from this? Or is the "seven bankers" already forgotten?

[Finches]

With graphics, I just wanted to show that the only person who is in the black is the "popularly elected" President Poroshenko, who uses Ukraine as a cash cow! Yeltsin has not been forgotten.
We went this way, but unlike the Ukrainians, we did not look for the roots of our problems in neighboring nations, especially in nations of the same faith! And we did not have Maidan ... There was the 93rd year and a fight between the executive and legislative powers, but not more!
Until the majority of Ukrainians who think like you unite, you will never have a state where a person will feel more or less calm! And in general, you will forgive me, Ukrainians do not have a historical gene of statehood in their blood ... " ", remembering Bulgakov, periodically there is, but the state is not!

[vladek64]

Quote: Finches

Forgive me, Ukrainians do not have a historical gene of statehood in their blood ... "Vile operetta", remembering Bulgakov, periodically exists, but the state does not!

As it is not offensive to the Ukrainians, I agree with you.
Indeed, there is no "statehood gene" on this territory. And all attempts to make the state turned into a "vulgar operetta".
I can’t deny that it really is, and I don’t want to defend the mess that is happening in Ukraine.

The question is different. If Russia considers Ukraine its territory, then why does it allow its Western "partners" to play "vulgar operettas" on its territory?
If Russia does not consider Ukraine its territory, then what does it care about local "vulgar operettas"?

Now the policy of Russia is incomprehensible to many Ukrainians. And as I see from the comments, it is incomprehensible to many Russians. It seems the commander in chief said that the Russians and Ukrainians are one people, and many commentators from Russia insist that this is not so. Do you support Putin? Then why do you insist that the Ukrainians are some other (flawed) people?

[Finches]

Most often these are emotions about a "flawed" people, but my policy, really, personally, I cannot fully understand! I will say to myself, maybe you will not like it very much, that I consider it a mistake not to bring our troops into the territory of Ukraine in June 2014, which led to the current situation! But I am not a decree to the Supreme ...
Therefore, let us wish all of us wisdom! Politicians come and go, but nations remain!
Thank you for the dialogue! Best regards

[vladek64]

And thank you for the dialogue and its worthy conclusion.

[edge]

Quote: vladek64

Is the Russia of Yeltsin's time really different from this? Or is the "seven bankers" already forgotten?

-adolfo-hetmans in each volost; soon it will be more fun as soon as Poland begins the process of restitution of all Galicians will be torn out.

[revnagan]

Quote: Finches

Nevertheless, you do not arrange the Maidan, do not shout, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief, and his party, the PP bloc, goes to all the councils of Ukraine ......

This proves only one thing - Maidown was organized and paid for from abroad. There is no funding, there is no Maidan. This is the whole "will of the people". And there are no fools to jump on the saber with bare feet. Donbass, with all the support, could not even drive away the punishers from their admingranits. And what they are building there is not understandable. The Akhmet principality? Where is the people's self-government?

[vit8180]

Honestly, your nagging is completely incomprehensible! Do you also think Russia is guilty of your troubles ?!
- "Do you want it to be like in Donbass?" This means both sacrifice and destruction and a completely incomprehensible future. "Mr. good", Donetsk and Luhansk do you think Russia has ground it into flour! Don't you think that that very passive part of 99% of the population of your "hut" allowed it? For that fought for it and ran! Sign, get! And in the DPR and LPR they will put things in order and the "hut" will poke snot so that they do not poke their nose!

[Victorio]

You better take a close look at Donbass yourself. Even here, the site has already published information about what is happening there. Russia had to significantly increase the corps of its "observers" so that the LPNR would not completely slide into Makhnovism and banditry. Comparing the result with the number of people killed and the extent of the destruction, many are very disappointed. If you noticed, then somehow the desire of people to create people's republics passed away. On the contrary, a powerful anti-Russian argument appeared - "Do you want it to be like in Donbass?" This means both sacrifice and destruction and a completely incomprehensible future. Those who hoped for help from Russia have almost ceased to hope.
====
Donbass has already passed its own, do you think that the attempt to change will cost you less blood, the Nazis will not give up power so easily? rather, you have to adapt and adapt, imagine after all, your children and grandchildren will be taught to hate Russia

[edge]

Quote: vladek64

Those who had hoped for help from Russia had almost ceased to hope.

yeah, the great Führer will come and set everyone free, feed and give his wife ...., but weak by himself, like Donbass with a gun in his hands for honor and dignity.

[I am Russian]

Quote: vit8180

Hello everyone!
vladek64, I want to ask you - "look how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%" - where are the remaining 60-57%? "My hut is on the edge"? Or "I need it"?
"So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you remember the Maidan, less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there." That's exactly what we judge by 99% of the population of Ukraine !!!
Better look at DONBASS and LUGANSK !!! Here they SHOULD !!! And they fight for every "HUT from the Edge" !!!
I repeat once again: Whoever wants to is looking for an opportunity! Who does not want - the reason ......

Hello!
You're right. Donetsk and Lugansk regions (Donets Basin-Donbass) from the Seversky Donets River, only.

[ars_pro]

Greetings!
It didn’t occur to you that a big phenomenon of the people could mean a boycott of the elections, and not only these but also the past presidential elections, which in general can be considered not legitimate, and those who haven’t come can think so, if in almost every family, each team due to the distortion of information divided themselves, because the bulk of the people before the incident was generally apolitical.
I understand the train of thought Vladeka64

[Turkir]

I understand you.
Everyone writes for some reason about 23 years. But, excuse me, nationalism in Ukraine is not 23 years old, but much more. And you have this infection in Ukraine, everyone saw it, back in the USSR, and ... they were silent. And now another, very different generation, will decide the fate of Ukraine, which I do not envy.

[alekc75]

why should they fight, they can lead and kill = so it’s better for them to fight others and they will wait

[revnagan]

Quote: vit8180

where are the rest 60-57%? "My hut is on the edge"? Or "I need it"?

Are you really like that, or are you playing the fool? THERE IS NO ONE TO CHOOSE FROM! All these "oppositionists" are exits from the pro-government parties. "Pocket" opposition, for the sake of appearance. To come and give someone your vote means to give legitimacy to the elections. The people just sent power together with the elections.

[vladek64]

Today published official data on who went to the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Council:

Opposition bloc (33,82%), Ukrainian Association of Patriots - Dill (18,31%), Petro Poroshenko's Solidarity Bloc (10,27%), Vidrodzhennya (7,82%), All-Ukrainian the Batkivshchyna association (6,64%), the Radical Party of Oleg Lyashko (6,06%), the Samopomich Association (5,69%).

I recall that the turnout was 43%. And that means that less than 8% of voters voted for DEC.

[Siberian]

I’ll try to translate: Ukrainians are not people living in Ukraine, but Ukrainized Russians, Tatars, Armenians, and many others. And now - a Siberian woman, when she lived in Vlalivostok, then for the locals she was (do not believe it!) From the West (from western Siberia), when she studied and lived in Tomsk, she was a Tomsk girl with pleasure, and so she was Russian. We here and you are considered the same, we are not used to the fact that there is such a nationality - Ukrainian, for us - it belongs to the place of residence.

[Homo]

Quote: vladek64

I myself live in Ukraine. Also in the "aspen nest" itself - Dnepropetrovsk.
Neither my friends nor I spat on the Heroes of the Soviet Union, but on the contrary, went out on May 9 to congratulate them. And now it’s not safe ...

Then the question. Why are you not with the DNI and LC?

[vladek64]

Quote: Homo

Why are you not with the DNI and LC?

That is why I do not fight on the side of LDNR?

Because I can’t understand what they’re fighting for. AGAINST what they are fighting, I understand, but I'm more interested in the creative part: WHAT are they fighting for?
What do they want to build?
What is a people's republic?
Will there be oligarchs?
Will there be banks with usurious interest?
How will the issue of ownership be resolved? (Will they again start talking about "effective private owners"? So we have all seen how these "effective" quietly become oligarchs)

Well, a lot of questions that LDNR do not give answers.
How can you fight it is not known for what?

[Victorio]

Quote: vladek64

Quote: Homo

Why are you not with the DNI and LC?

That is why I do not fight on the side of LDNR?

Because I can’t understand what they’re fighting for. AGAINST what they are fighting, I understand, but I'm more interested in the creative part: WHAT are they fighting for?
What do they want to build?
What is a people's republic?
Will there be oligarchs?
Will there be banks with usurious interest?
How will the issue of ownership be resolved? (Will they again start talking about "effective private owners"? So we have all seen how these "effective" quietly become oligarchs)

Well, a lot of questions that LDNR do not give answers.
How can you fight it is not known for what?

===
at the bottom it was necessary to write the result: "I do not want".
clearer and more honest

[vladek64]

Quote: Victorio

at the bottom it was necessary to write the result: "I do not want".

Well, if you understand this:
I don’t want to fight, it’s not known why!

[Valentine]

And you, who lived in a well-fed and calm Dnepropetrovsk, and don’t understand us, living in the front-line Donbass, where already five-year-old kids are sorting out what mine they have blown up
in the yard, 122 or 80, which gun fired,
D-30 or howitzer, which according to us is hammering, MLRS, or MSTA, Hyacinth, Acacia, or Carnation, or maybe T-? 2.
You can see Benino’s upbringing ... Do you want to know what the Donbass rose for? It's very simple, we don’t want to be burned and shot like in Odessa on May 2 and Mariupol
May 9, 2014, how Crimeans were killed and maimed near Korsun-Shevchenkovsk, when thugs from the "PS" threw napalm on their buses and fired on their pompovik on 20.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX, just because we are Russians and speak our own language. , most
The main thing is that we didn’t come to you in Lviv, Ternopol or Kiev with weapons in hand, but you came to us in tanks and armored personnel carriers and started killing us. You started bombing us on June 2, 2014 with MIG-24, and not us . The people of Donbass took up arms to protect their wives and children, their old people, their homes and their land. This is his homeland, and he has the right to do so, but you don’t understand this. Why? AND
Why did only the Donetsk region and Lugansk region rise? Why didn’t Kharkiv region rise,
Odeshchyna, your Dnepropetrovsk region and other areas?
Scary? And we were not afraid to stop tanks and armored personnel carriers with our bare hands at the muzzles of machine guns? ... Then there were bloody battles, women, old people and children died under your bombing, and you, there, behind the front line, ate hearty and slept sweetly, had fun , got married, gave birth to children, and we were called "separatists" and "quilted jackets." This is how Benya Kolomoisky taught you
, because your questions about the "creative part" are in the Benin spirit, from his repertoire.
And with LDNR everything will be all right. After your shelling, damaged dlrogs, heating, gas pipelines are immediately repaired, holes in houses are repaired, schools and hospitals are being restored. Pensions and salaries are paid, albeit with a little delay, schools, banks and hospitals work-people living his life
even though under fire, we’re already used to them,
life does not stand still, and we must live on.

[vladek64]

Quote: Valentine

Do you want to know what the Donbass has risen for? Yes, everything is very simple, we do not want to be burned and shot as in Odessa on May 2 and Mariupol on May 9, 2014, as Crimeans were killed and maimed near Korsun-Shevchenkovsk, when the thugs from the "PS "they threw napalm on their buses and shot their pump-guns on 20.02.14/XNUMX/XNUMX.,

You list that AGAINST what you are fighting. I understand it.
I can’t understand WHAT you are fighting for. What will be a VICTORY for you?
Well, imagine that you won. They killed the nationalists, powders and others like him drove off, no one kills you. You can begin to build a peaceful life.
WHAT peaceful life will you build? Again with the oligarchs and bandits?
Then in 10-20 years you will build the same thing that exists today.
Your leadership does not really say anything about which country you are building, for what future people are dying. And the number of Akhmetov’s people in the leadership of the DPR suggests sad thoughts.

Quote: Valentine

You came to us in tanks and armored personnel carriers and started to kill us.

I understand your emotions, but here you are still a little carried away - I did not come to you in tanks and did not kill anyone. No need to insult me ​​with such accusations.
You attack me as an enemy. As a representative of the "Right Sector" or something similar. If you do not distinguish friends from enemies, then slide into war against everyone. This is exactly what Benya and others like him are trying to achieve: divide the Slavs and let them hate and kill each other.

Quote: Valentine

your questions about the "creative part" are in the spirit of Benin, from his repertoire.

You are wrong. This is what the "Right Sector", which it finances, demonstrates in the spirit of Benin. There is no talk about any kind of creation at all. Everything is simple there: "Glory to the heroes! Death to the enemies!"
Only very naive people can talk about Ben as a creator.

[perm23]

If you allow the Nazis in your land to commit atrocities. Who are you then. Yes, not an enemy, you do not kill your wife, you just keep silent and work for the war. Think about who you are then. Worst of all are these silent people.

[vit8180]

vladek64, excuse me, but what do you expect from your government? Do you think she will resolve herself?
I don’t want to fight, it’s not known why! in my opinion, you don’t want to do anything yourself !!! Are you waiting for outside help? Will abroad help you ?! Either Russia or the West - but they will certainly help ?! Do you want to stay away ?! vladek64, YOU ARE A SIMPLE PASSIVE VIEWER (PEOPLE), like all 99% of yours, your language doesn’t turn to say, s !!!
Do you want to do well - do it yourself !!! And then you do not have to look for the guilty !!!

[Valentine]

Dear Vladek64! I answer your first question — we want to be part of Russia, and we will be there no matter how much time and our lives it would take — we are the ONE people.
Your second question is not very simple, but ... I personally, personally, did not indicate to you exactly what
You killed us, but after all, someone has done this and is still doing it. Now there are up to 90 thousand Ukrainian soldiers at the front, and how many rotations were, about 46 thousand killed
up to hundreds of thousands of wounded and a lot of missing people. And in all, over
360 thousand soldiers of Ukraine. And who of them, and how do you order me to be called friends, brothers? Only I wonder, where did you manage to "sit out" in the Dnieper from the general mobilization? And the answer to the third question, about this crook Beni, I agree with you 100%, but he continues, because of the bkgra, to "build" the Dnieper and
region as he pleases, and you tell me about some kind of DNR oligarchs and their banks.
All the best!

[Manul]

Quote: Finches

Your friends, Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, betrayed the memory of all those who died in a terrible massacre, equating them with the invaders, and elevating Nazi accomplices to the rank of national heroes! Moreover, most Ukrainians were silent for 23 years watching this!

I walk in Sosnovy Bor with my three-year-old daughter. A couple of young people (probably married) with a child of 7-8 years old pass by. As I understand it, they are going to a holiday (there was a military reconstruction on the Voronka River, not Sosnovoborsky myself, so I don't really know the details). I hear what they explain to the child, but it does not fit in my head, what I hear and therefore I just fell into a stupor. True, I looked at them intently and they became quieter, but I think I heard just that - ".. . and the so-called "fascists" crossed this funnel. And all sorts of veterans, Soviet soldiers, "I can no longer vouch for a specific text - but nothing good sounded about our soldiers. As I understand it, these are our "brothers" who came from Ukraine. If I hadn’t been walking with my daughter, I would have rushed after me and persistently asked to repeat it, and I would have photographed their faces. But I say - what I heard did not fit into my head. By the time I realized, they had already combed it.

[bubla5]

Throw poking all the time with your lists, then your Jews%, now you. Cook in your own juice, behind the wall, and in general the bazaar and the train station home for a khur.

[Homo]

Quote: vladek64

Why can't you imagine other "quantities"? For instance:
"- 17.4%, or 2021 people out of 11, Heroes of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War are Ukrainians"
"- 25% of twice Heroes of the Soviet Union - originally from Ukraine"

These are certainly correct figures, but they do not speak of patriotism and heroism, but of the number of people and the level of education in the USSR relative to other republics.

[222222]

Zyablitsov (6) SU Today, 11: 55 ↑
You Kipling remember ..

Redyard Kipling in 1894 in the "Jungle Book" described a strange tribe of Bandar-logs (Bandar-log - Hindi.). -
This is how Baloo describes the Bandar-logs: “They have no law. Monkeys are outcasts. They have no dialect of their own; they use stolen words, which they eavesdrop on when they spy on us, hiding in the branches. They are not our customs. They live without leaders. They have no memory. They boast, chat, assure that they are a great people, ready to do great things in the jungle, but a nut falls, it makes them laugh, and they forget everything. We dwellers of the jungle have no business with them; do not drink where the monkeys drink; we do not move along their roads; do not hunt where they hunt; do not die where they die. The people of the jungle have banished them from their memory and do not take their meat in their mouths. There are a lot of monkeys; they are evil, dirty, have no shame, and if they have any definite desire, it is precisely the desire to be noticed in the jungle. But we do not pay attention to them, even when they throw mud and nuts on our heads. "This is how the Bandarlog describe themselves:" We are great. We are free. We are amazing. We are the most amazing tribe in all the jungle, "they shouted. “This is the first time you hear about us and you can convey our words to the jungle people so that they will notice us in the future, and therefore we will inform you about such amazing and excellent creatures like us.” Mowgli did not mind; hundreds of monkeys gathered on the terrace to listen their own companions, who sang the praises of Bandar-log; when the orator was silent, wanting to take a breath, all the other monkeys shouted: “It's true; we all said the same thing.” “But when they see a sick wolf, a wounded tiger or a bear, the monkeys go to earth, torture them for fun; hoping to attract the attention of animals, they constantly throw branches and nuts at them. In addition, they howl, shout meaningless songs, invite the Jungle Folk to climb up to them and fight them; or without any reason, they start fierce fights among themselves and throw dead monkeys where the population of the thickets can see these corpses. They are all going to choose a leader for themselves, make their own laws, come up with their own customs, but they never fulfill their plans, because their memory is not enough until the next day. To justify themselves, the monkeys have invented a proverb: "What the Bandar-log thinks now, the jungle will think about later," and this greatly encourages them. "

[Finches]

If we discard that it was written, God knows when, then, as if from modern Ukraine, he wrote!

But to be honest, in fact, I would not want the Ukrainians to be Russians for us rejected ... There is hope that the Ukrainians themselves will understand that they are not like the Europeans, but the Kipling herd of bandarlogs!

[Tusv]

Quote: Finches

And even hearing the South Ukrainian dialect I remember Bogomolov "In August 44th"

Amendment "In August 44th" film version. In the original "Moment of Truth" You actually voiced it.
A joke in 1988 Kiev lined up with a pure Moscow dialect

[Finches]

Yes, you are absolutly right! Thank you for the amendment!

And you correctly noticed that in 1988 Kiev spoke with a Moscow dialect. I was in Kiev for the last time in 1997 and I, though not in the open, but half-hints, but they already made it clear that I was an occupier, and the inscriptions of announcements and signs were exclusively on the mov!

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

And I thought where so many policemen, Bandera and Vlasovites divorced during the Second World War!

[revnagan]

Quote: Finches

And even hearing the South Ukrainian dialect, I remember Bogomolov "In August 44th" and imagine the number of Banderas,

Bandera do not speak with a South Russian accent. The South Russian accent is Kuban, Eastern Ukraine. to be in Bandershchina on business trips, and so: I know the Ukrainian language perfectly, but I hardly understand the language spoken by Raguli. A wild mixture of Polish, Hungarian, Magyar, Ukrainian, German and Russian words. This is not an accent, this is a dialect.

[Valentine]

I already wrote in VO, who and what is Ukraine to us and Ukrainians friends, enemies? To understand this well, you need to sit under the bombing and shelling for a month and a half in
Donetsk or Gorlovka, in damp, cold basements, without food and light, without water and gas. To see the bodies of children, women and old people torn into pieces, and to bury them nearby
with a house in a simple, dug hole. You say that the people are not to blame? And who is to blame if not this Ukrainian people? Who threw crowds on this Maidan, who fed and watered this Maidan, who brought warm clothes and shoes there, who brought tires and napalm there, with which the Berkut was burned? And who, after
this Maidan came to us with weapons in the Donbass and began to kill us, bombing, shelling and destroying the cities and towns of civilians around the clock? And this
made simple Ukrainian people. Now tell me
You to me, who should I consider now Ukrainians-friends, brothers, or enemies? Love me or hate them?

[Siberian]

This is what blows up the brain. It seems that for the most part the people simply did not do anything, not everyone jumped ... But these are not the first races, then! How many years before this jumped, yelled? And that, too, is ordinary people. They are hammering the Donbass, and ordinary people are watching with interest, as in the movies, the disputes of politicians, journalists and so on. on the show. When lack of money presses, because this simple people gets out on the streets with protests. And here - it seems to be against, but somehow languidly ...

[wagner72]

You should have listened to what kind of pearls these "for Russia" are being issued here in Crimea. Gastas from the Dnieper, Kherson, Zaporozhye hate us and call them traitors, but you cannot kick them, the law does not order. Only a few are officially registered, the bulk of them go to construction sites , live like homeless people, earned money is mostly spent on drink. Because of these figures, the rates for work fell below the baseboard, Crimeans have to leave for the mainland to earn money.

[alekc75]

not enough of their good left-if you do not know

[mikh-korsakov]

You are right, to Europe. so to Europe. And then earn money here, and bark at the giving hand - there. It's not fair. Visa regime them!

[Valentine]

And who is waiting for them in Europe? On the Maidan, they were given only "promises-enticements", and no more, to the shouts of "Glory to Ukraine" and the dream of lace panties .... But when
civil war began when they were presented with a ticket
on her, at one end, then the instinct of self-preservation - "nenka" "nenkoy" worked, and life is more expensive, and everyone who did not want to die for Ukraine was thrown in echeloes abroad, to the "aggressor", to Russia, she is kind and a generous soul, everyone will accept and regret. Just go and check how they go, with a "fig" in your pocket, or not is an open question.

[vit8180]

The Lord is with you .... Whoever doesn’t go anywhere with a fig .....
Something to me "Tavria", "Cossacks" with zhovto-blakitnyh g / n well in any way on the road do not come across .... Occasionally "golf", my age. But Lexus, Pajero last, Tradewinds B6 began to come across more and more often ...

[Lelek]

Quote: Finches

I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!

And let the "comrades" go to "censor.net" and read how our blood brothers rejoice over the crashed Russian liner, then their backing track will disappear.

[the villain]

Quote: Finches

Now comrades will fill me with minuses and considerations of tolerance

My opinion: tolerance is the moral AIDS of society.

[Vend]

Quote: Observer2014

The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
But this should have been done for a long time. If you go only for a visit or for always. And from Donbass to make it easier for people to stay. There should not be any "zrabitkov" here!

I think done on time. Remember how many escaped the call, undermining the grave of Poproshenko? Now it is time to return the refugees to the mountain homeland, thereby increasing the number of people dissatisfied with power, unemployment, predatory tariffs and, most interestingly, people who saw Russia with their own eyes.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, all the "lafa" is over ....

[I am Russian]

Thank God we are Cossacks !!! Not...
Meehan, take it easy with that. They are not Ukrainians, but Cossacks.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: I-Russian

Thank God we are Cossacks !!! Not...
Meehan, take it easy with that. They are not Ukrainians, but Cossacks.

I beg your pardon ... Just under the Cossacks-Zaporozhians, etc. many "mow" .. I still respect the Cossacks and I think that the movement on the borders should be revived with all the attributes and responsibility! We chopped them into a lot of civilian and yet ..

[I am Russian]

Himself sometimes brings

[northern]

Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.
All chest in medals - for the "well-timed drunk" of all four degrees

[I am Russian]

Quote: north

Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.
All chest in medals - for the "well-timed drunk" of all four degrees

Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov rule (endless wars). And continued during the civil war and the Second World War. And finished off in 1960, when the corpses of Cossacks sailed along the Don River.
"A Cossack who does not observe traditions is no longer a Cossack."

[Tusv]

Quote: I-Russian

Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov reign

It is interesting what the valiant chieftain Platov will say. Or Other Cossacks, who dress the order as a parade and in battle. It is not necessary to equate our Cossacks with Mazepa.
Heaven and earth

[your1970]

Cossacks ??? specially ??? exterminated ????? !!!!!! Romanovs ??? !!!!
In 1914, the entire Cossacks of the Russian Empire from 2 with more than millions of people were obliged to put out for war - 50 000 people in total ....
The most militarized population of the empire set -2,5% !!!!! abundance ..

And at the same time - where they sailed in 1960 according to Don corpses ??? !!!!
Civil - I agree, 20-30 - completely agree, after the war, it was definitely the case: Cossacks fought on the side of HitlerJudged and to whom it was destined - shot!
Enlighten in 1960 for what and by what articles were they allowed to swim (in fact, in the USSR, after the Civil War, they didn’t drown in the rivers, but shot them)?
Answer, it’s very interesting, why did Khrushchev drown people?

And about the Romanovs, His own Imperial Majesty the convoy (Cossack !!!) on the third day of the February revolution swore allegiance to the Provisional Government.
He was the godfather to all the children of the Cossacks of the Convoy ...

[I am Russian]

Of course the 1930s. Pup. Thank you, I didn’t notice.

The total number of Cossacks in 1917 amounted to at least 4.4 million people (according to some sources, 6 7 million). At the same time, there were slightly more than 300 thousand Cossacks in the ranks. The total population of the Russian Empire on the eve of the revolution was estimated at 166 million people, and the Imperial Army - at 10 12 million people. Of the total number of Cossacks, the Don army totaled more than 2,5 million Cossacks, the Kuban army - 1,4 million, the Tersk army - 250 thousand. The total number of the Amur, Ussuri, Siberian and Trans-Baikal Cossack troops was a little less than 1 million. The Ural Cossacks totaled more than 150 thousand people, of whom there was not a trace left after the Civil War, which makes the fate of this army unique even by the standards of revolutionary Russia.

[your1970]

Was Semirechye the smallest?

[edge]

Quote: your1970

And at the same time - where did the corpses float in Don in 1960 ??? !!!!

he’s probably about Novocherkassk bent .......

[your1970]

he got better, typo-1930, see above

[I am a Russian]

Quote: your1970

Cossacks ??? specially ??? exterminated ????? !!!!!! Romanovs ??? !!!!

Ukrainians have always tried to denigrate or rewrite history /

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: I-Russian

Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov reign

Well, for the sake of truth, the Cossacks themselves behaved like a grishka of Melikhs during all this time from 1612 to 1917

[edge]

Quote: north

Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.

not focused on them, on their children ..... They will stand for Russia.

[Baikonur]

I completely agree! And to return there the cowards who rode and wanted to be in a "warm" place (albeit in the enemy rear, as they could, Bandera, b ...!) Sit out!

[Observer2014]

In Krasnaya Polyana, the leaders have pinned down "migrant workers" from central and western ukraine. So men tell how to get drunk like that, they scream their "heroes of fat", but they cut out tridents on trees. Pigs, in short. Not all of course, but you need to filter these reptiles like that .Not a long time acquaintance in Khost, near the construction site, saw a car with ukronomeri. I approached and asked how things were in the DPR and LPR, so they almost attacked him with obscenities. In short, for mrazota this time, oh, how time to start. I already printed more than once that for those entering from Ukraine filtration camps should be set at the border. And it would be more convenient for people who want to go to Russia for permanent residence. They spent a month there, during which time a full check and ready documents were in hand. And people are comfortable and we feel comfortable. Tell me how to distinguish who there is someone. Yes, easily. In the FMS inspectors from the Crimea or from former Russian citizens of Ukraine, take! Who, who, and I, as one well-known character said, "I feel with my heart"

[vorobey]

Quote: Observer2014

who and I, as one well-known character said, "I feel it in my heart"

Now do you understand everything that I have said before?

[Observer2014]

Only came from the forest. Oyster mushroom dialed. Alexander good evening! Of course I understand!

[family tree]

Quote: Observer2014

Oyster mushroom typed.

Eva, there are still mushrooms. We have if only cranberries from under the snow, although next week, weather warlocks up to plus 4 promised, maybe it will thaw, then, for myself, it’s
And with ours, Arkhangelsk, on their affairs, "refugee", a whole epic, they fired an intolerant peasant, then, it seems, they restored it again, otherwise, give it away, put it on a silver platter, but we don't want to work. By the winter they quieted down, apparently froze ...

[Observer2014]

We still in Sochi, real mushrooms only started about two weeks ago. By the way, for the history, honey mushrooms were last collected on December 18, and I start that year with white spring before the May holidays in Krasnaya Polyana. Paradox of subtropics and mountains.

[family tree]

Quote: Observer2014

We still in Sochi real mushrooms only as two weeks as they began

Well, from about mid-June to mid-September, so through August-September, mostly milk mushrooms, just have time. Then frosts, minus at night, plus in the afternoon. It happens that in May they begin to climb, but so, indulge. In general, the mushrooms, about a month and a half, have ended, one cranberry has left under the snow, that does not take anything, in December, you kick a bump, pick up a handful of "candy", warm it up in your mouth, bite it, juice, such a sour taste, not tell even

[Observer2014]

Once a smart person said: The more I get to know people, the more I love dogs. Marie de Rabuten-Chantal de Sevigne
So we are. Sometimes after this abomination, I just want to talk about mushrooms.
Regards Observer 2014

[vorobey]

Quote: perepilka

family tree

Quote: Observer2014

Observer2014

listen to foodies. finish .. I saliva has all gone ..

Volodya hi .. Sergey

[Observer2014]

Alexander, maybe the site's management will make a new heading ?! What would be so simple on abstract topics! And then sometimes "the degree goes off scale" And will call it "miscellaneous" for example ?!
Although of course a serious site, it requires a serious relationship. Although ??? !!!
People in VO in social networks, as a rule, are not listed. But there should be an "outlet".

[vorobey]

Quote: Observer2014

Although of course a serious site, it requires a serious relationship. Although ??? !!!

Seryozha mustache is provided - at the top where the windows are the main news of the radio .. there is a forum window .. go to the VO forum and there ... and hobbies and humo and talk and rumors ... though it is not as active as the site itself ..

[Observer2014]

And what didn’t you say before haha ​​!!! He didn’t notice the elephant!

[family tree]

Quote: vorobey

listen to foodies. finish .. I saliva has all gone .. laughing

Do not envy, you have your own tastes
Hello, fuel oil, call for late, drove the sidekick to fix the wiring, the fourth switch came up with, like, so that in the summer, on white nights, what for light to illuminate , outside. But the dressing room is 3 for 3 gorgeous, and the bathhouse, 3 for 4, the stove is made of "crocodile" UZHDshny, in half a brick, the tank is boiled for hot, the stove is insulated, the pebbles are picked up in vinegar, half an hour, and a couple of brooms from two hands, in the third nose buried in and breathe, this spirit-birch, then a basin of chill, jump out, leaven, back, with a scrubber, scrub the old skin, until new, rinse, and again on the shelves, under a broom, almost to the point of loss of consciousness, otherwise you will jump, and you start to soar yourself, then sweat is like hail, and up to 250 beats per minute comes in the heat, in the dressing room, and such silence and grace, although it still pounds, but you remember how you ran, full, young and beautiful, and pounded more abruptly , and some of those are gone, and you it’s like he’s alive, and a medical board, every year, to the climbers, at 53 years old, from half a kick, and you are in no hurry anywhere ... but classmates and those who are nearby, less and less, sappers, why, consciously made a mistake, with the choice of profession, only here myocardial infarctions and strokes, it seems, have nothing to do with the subversive, and the fact that the men have survived has nothing to do with heart attacks and strokes, yes. Well, not everyone has been taught vivores since childhood And mine bags should be arranged, then it’s necessary to remove the ones that haven’t worked, and then there is dirt, blood, shit and disadvantages that control yourself so that they don’t suffer, and you are shaking, it’s from the sight of this, but you have to work, otherwise they’re you at last gasp, it happened.
I do not like this work, I’d better build something, the same bridge, over the river, with ice cutters, albeit wooden, but higher than the low-water one, for the army, and let it be six years old, without repair. Something like this, Sanya, I do not like that job.

[family tree]

And on the forum, as an administrator, collect for the New Year, two months to the deadline, in a personal note, a topic, we’ll catch up by the hour, otherwise Roman and Smirnov will draw a warning message again. Temko, and whom to collect, you will realize, a shovel to help We calm ourselves, alcoholizing and having fun, purely in a masculine campaign, without girls and blackjack, well, Zhonki, are welcome, I'm even Well, what is the rule without exception, cho

[northern]

Somewhere they wrote about the character that in Russia he hires some zapadentsev, so they voluntarily-forcibly send a share from him earned to restore New Russia

[Civil]

Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

[Finches]

Yes, Tajiks are better than such Europeans!

[Region-25.rus]

and not Tajiks, did they cut out Russians in the early 90s? Huh? .. And now give them an indulgence and put on an imam will also start to do! Only here we have it!

[Siberian]

Tajiks to Tajiks - strife. Those that were slaughtered were Tajiks, from the territory of Afghanistan (the then analogue of a modern Ukrainian), they simply exterminated the inhabitants of Tajikistan, without nationality. And our Tajiks (Soviet), who served in our army, how the Ukrainians were now wondering why they should kill their own? Women with children ran to us (they just got on any plane that flies away - anywhere, in any city) from this massacre they did not understand, customs control was carried out in nightgowns and slippers (Siberian winter), children - in knitwear for 4 rubles. 120 kopecks, without bags and suitcases. It's just that we were all independent countries and what was happening with them, we were no longer interested. It turned out that with the collapse of the union, we threw them first. They came under attack from the Afghan side. We, too, at first, said to them: what, chtoli can't live without us? Ours were kicked out, separated, build your own state there. Why are you rushing after the Russians? Live yourself as you want. They were very surprised and said that they did not separate. "You threw us out yourself." Like this. Our media had no time for Tajikistan in the 90s.

[I am human]

You did not understand? Or how?

[vovanpain]

Quote: Civil

Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

You know yesterday on the networks no one except these scum and our liberals was happy about the deaths of people on the plane, not all seeding, of course, a lot of condolences came from there, but go to the censor there is still a holiday, and condolences are still coming from Central Asia and not one word of disgust as from such Caucasians.

[combat66]

But what does Central Asia skip, or call for depriving Russia of the right to vote at the UN, or it demands that the tribunals be appointed, and sends loans to the farm ?!
It is imperative to tighten the nuts for the gifted!

[family tree]

Quote: Civil

Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

Lives, cho, at first they said that they say "Russian winter is a goat, and their children, quite, especially from mixed, well, a doctor, well, an Armenian, well, Aleknaz Akhedzhakovna, well, Alyushka, our beloved, Vitka, who drove my son around physical education, at school, in spite of extreme sweat, a girl who heals, in spite of the recommendations of the Ministry of Health and licenses, for which into the fire and into the water, upon recovery, then, however, dragged out, for the untimely idea of ​​her supermenity, and it wasn't worth it, but, with a bunch of injections in the ass and in the veins Ches a word, I won’t!
And I won’t be less, if necessary, cho, that ugly, a hunchbacked grave, if cho

[Coconut Tima]

The FMS sent Moldovan migrant workers a year ago to their homeland. Now they are shaking pro-European power like a pear! Who knows, will not something similar happen in Kiev, after the migrant workers who have returned to their homeland have been poking around for several months at home without work?

[Tor5]

But could not it be canceled at all? Well, what do they do with us, especially Bandera from the West?

[forest park 86]

90 days and then a lot - 2 weeks is enough

[edge]

Quote: Observer2014

The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

Well, that’s what happened, another freak has pinned to freeloaders

[complete zero]

you on yourself (God forbid) try to try on this very "zrabitkov" should not be? ... all our oil industry (I know from myself) here on these same Ukrainians and Bulbash ... you are Muscovites and so on hectares of the North of the Tyumen region you will not lure ... it is easy to judge people without having been in their shoes

[same]

And Donbass Russian citizenship.

[Kunar]

In this situation, all 404 will move to Donetsk

[Reserve buildbat]

I don’t understand what kind of refugees, and even with a preferential regime, they can be from Galicia, Lviv, Poltava, etc., in short, from the territory of dill. Refugees had to be accepted ONLY from the territory of New Russia.

[Gani]

they directly said that the preferential treatment for Ukrainians is "help" for the Armed Forces of Ukraine with mobilization.

[Thronekeeper]

Some are fleeing from repression. I know quite a lot of pro-Russian publicists from Kharkov and the central B / y who had to do legs from Bezpeka. They have the same SS freedom SSlov.
And so - Gaster and "economic refugees" together with the mowers from the grave is the overwhelming majority.
On the other hand, no one will deport legal labor migrants. On the third - Gaster returned to his U-homeland, no work, got used to the Russian z / p, around a complete * opa ... Unobtrusive production of agents of influence.

[venaya]

Preferential treatment

Well, someone has to deal with the disgrace that is happening with the neighbors? The ostrich policy of individual citizens is simply amazed by its simply arrogance. I consider the decision forced.

[mag nit]

Tufted citizens - forward to the EU.

[beer-youk]

Absolutely correct, albeit somewhat belated, decision. Refugees from Donbass and citizens of a hostile state are two big differences.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

all this "preferential" regime is bullshit and idiocy, refugees register as refugees, gastrics are the same

[HAM]

The "PREFERRED" period must be canceled in gas, financial, energy, transport
the moderator "nailed" half of the phrase, which does not contain anything illegal !!!

[sniper]

Quote: HAM

the moderator "nailed" half of the phrase, which does not contain anything illegal !!!

When the moderator corrects the post, he leaves his signature, this is the law ... You either have technical problems or your comments did not like the AUTOCENCOR. Well, medicine is powerless here ... Nobody knows what is going on in his electronic head. But without this pribabaha not a single large resource can do. Somehow I remember, he replaced the cry of joy Eh-gee y on non-traditional faceWell what to do with this ??? They laughed ...

[HAM]

he (m - r) tore up the word "transport noy" and shortened the phrase: otherwise it turns out that the "aggressor" feeds the victim "!! So as not to die prematurely ..

[sniper]

Quote: HAM

he (m - r) tore up the word "transport noy" and shortened the phrase:

Sometimes an extra space or letter replacement helps ... I understand that this will not decorate the post, but the person will understand, but the program will not ...

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

Good laugh! Recently excommunicated for two weeks for violations! And the other day a very clever moderator with a signature warned him for quoting Minister Lavrov at a briefing addressed to a Polish journalist: "Morons, b .......!" And everything, as it should be, is written with dots, but instead of the last dot, a soft sign! So the electronic head often has nothing to do with it!

[sniper]

Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov

Recently excommunicated for two weeks for violations!

It happens, of course ... You need to be more careful about observing the rules. But you must admit that without moderation of posts the site would turn into a garbage dump. So treat this as a necessary evil. The rules they must be respected by all and your humble servant is no exception ... Well, the work of the autocensor can be seen right away, he changes the post at the time of publication ... Well, something like that ...

[31rus]

It depends on who is considered a refugee, I already wrote about the "refugees" who receive benefits in Russia and do not live badly in Ukraine, and they themselves do not hide it and successfully "profit" both in Russia and on their fellow citizens

[GYGOLA]

Thank God! How much can you endure their reviews of us, and think that they will change their minds.

The total number of Ukrainians in Russia is 2,6 million.

As the Kotsap pulls, the whole Ukrainian metropolis. If only these are not former Soviet citizens and wanting to stay with Russia, they feel sorry for them.

[Pentarhist]

... However, other interesting figures and facts were announced at the round table:

Of the 2,6 million temporarily staying citizens of Ukraine of all categories - 404 thousand people applied for the refugee status in the FMS, 265 thousand people applied for a temporary residence permit. The remaining mass of displaced persons does not have any long-term status, using either the practice of the FMS patent (see below) or staying on the temporary status of a grace period of 90 days, which is subject to cancellation from November 1, 2015;
The FMS in every possible way impedes obtaining the status of RVP (temporary residence permit) and refugee status, in every possible way pedaling the issue of refugees buying a patent for work. As a result, as an example, in the territory of Moscow for the current year (August 2014 - August 2015), which accounted for the main shaft of refugees, less than 1000 RVPs for all of Moscow (for all CIS countries) and more than 400 official patents (again, the same for all CIS countries);
...
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

[Comrade Bender]

Do you think that all refugees should be accommodated in Moscow? And besides Moscow, they have nowhere else to live and work?

[Pentarhist]

The article is not about that. Even if they don’t even place it in Moscow.

[Comrade Bender]

And I, about your example with Moscow.

[Pentarhist]

Well, look, 1000 RVPs for the whole of Moscow. While there are more than 1 million refugees from Donbass alone.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

so maybe they from Donbass to Kuzbass are better and not to Maaskwa ?!

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

Well, this is reminiscent of the situation with the EAO, where there are fewer Jews in Birobidzhan than in Berdichev!

[I am Russian]

People from New Russia extend the migration card at the FMS points for 90 days, or as decided by the FMS. What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!
You can’t even imagine how it is ... to exist somewhere ... for years not to see the house ....

[Pentarhist]

= Why are you surprised, residents WANT TO RETURN HOME =

Wishing to return to devastation and shelling, without forcing it, it’s understandable, a little

[I am Russian]

Quote: pentarhist

= Why are you surprised, residents WANT TO RETURN HOME =

Wishing to return to devastation and shelling, without forcing it, it’s understandable, a little

Believe it or not. But the worst thing is to live in the occupied Banderlog and territory. Constant searches, theft of people and property, rape of women. For the number grew up. The operator can be killed if they suddenly find out that he was in the "occupied" Crimea - they are taken away, taken away in an unknown direction.
So not only shelling.

[Pentarhist]

Actually, in ORDILOS, after the Kremlin's proteges began to lead there, things are also bad. Murders of people (primarily the patriots of Novorossiya), for example. Criticism of the party's policy ("Minsk") is prohibited.

Here's an interesting livejournal of one of the locals-

http://ugovostok-ua.livejournal.com/?skip=10

[I am Russian]

I know, but wait. Who is doing this ?? Whose orders are followed ??

[I am a Russian]

Quote: I-Russian

I know, but wait. Who is doing this ?? Whose orders are followed ??

Ukrainians need to show where to go

[orphan 63]

. What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!

And who should drive them out ?? !! Maybe you should not wait for this joyful event, continuing to sit for almost two years with families on the neck of the Russian budget in Russia?
No one should do this for Ukrainians, they do not want and will not do it !!!
And Ukrainians do not need to gather an exiled government in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens, and go clean up their own homes.
Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!!

So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you

[I am Russian]

Quote: Orphan 63

. What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!

And who should drive them out ?? !! Maybe you should not wait for this joyful event, continuing to sit for almost two years with families on the neck of the Russian budget in Russia?
No one should do this for Ukrainians, they do not want and will not do it !!!
And Ukrainians do not need to gather an exiled government in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens, and go clean up their own homes.
Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!!

So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you

Wait, and CRIMEA ???
Further, do not say "party line", do you have your own opinion ??
Families, will you feed? No.
To help?? Loudly said. Rather, as much as possible slow down the liberation of New Russia !!!
You with you? You consciously support the plans of blatant Saxons in the Rus section on yours and not yours.
At the expense of the government in exile - this is only to avert your eyes.
And the last, do not insult the Russians by calling them Okraintsy.

[I am Russian]

Quote: Orphan 63

Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you

Do you know how many Russian citizens are trying to cross the border in order to join the Nazi volunteer battalions ??? And how are Russian border guards detaining them at the border ??

[orphan 63]

To help?? Loudly said.

The Investigative Committee held a meeting on countering violations of the rights of civilians in southeastern Ukraine. According to its results, a detailed report was published on the agency’s website. In particular, investigators calculated how much Russia spent from the budget to accommodate refugees from Ukraine.
"In accordance with the data received from the constituent entities of the Russian Federation on the costs incurred in connection with the placement of Ukrainian refugees, the Russian Federation suffered more than 4 billion rubles ", - The report says the head of the TFR Alexander Bastrykin.
According to the FMS, the document says that more than one million Russian-speaking residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine were forced to leave their places of permanent residence, and more than 110 thousand people with refugee status applied for Russian citizenship.

[I am Russian]

Throw your numbers. Human life is priceless.
4 billion damage ?? I'm sorry that not everyone died. The real help is the liberation and creation of New Russia, by any means.

[I am a Russian]

Quote: I-Russian

Do you know how many citizens of Russia

I know a citizen of Ukraine who is ready to send their women to the panel for money.

[revnagan]

Quote: Orphan 63

And Ukrainians do not need to assemble a government in exile in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens,

Where do you propose to start? In Dnepropetrovsk? Kiev? And the Donbass in this respect doesn’t moo or calve.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

FMS in every possible way prevents obtaining status of RVP

but why are they all moving to Moscow? Forgive me, they’re not refugees anymore, Moscow is unlikely to go to the refugees

[AlexTires]

Love for Russia wakes up in the citizen of Ukraine with the receipt of the agenda for the military commissar ....

[35lisment35]

Apparently, our leadership believes that the war in the Donbass is over

[vorobey]

Quote: 35lisment35

Apparently, our leadership believes that the war in the Donbass is over

there is no gracious sovereign ... when it was necessary to destroy the Ukrainian army without firing a shot - they introduced preferential order and the people began to hide from the ATO ... and now they simply simply send all this mass back to feel the difference, so to speak ... stand .. there is soup and cookies for free ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

.. there is soup and cookies for free ...

Not Sanya, the free cookies and soup ended. Yes, and why maidan those who did not make good money here, they will look around the empty garden and again in Russia

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

.Yes and why maidan to those who did not make bad money here, they will look around the empty garden and again in Russia

and here Sanya, I think it will be the next step ... quietly advertised ... can return again only after three months .... just winter ...

[Monster_Fat]

It is high time. It is necessary to drive all Ukrainians from Russia to "nenko" - let them put things in order there, or let them get away to their beloved "Europeans" behind lace panties. And then "Varangians" and "fascists" "jumped" on their necks in their country, and then they ran to the "nasty quilted jackets" for food. Let them go back to their place, let their "government" arrange them there for work, we also need jobs because of the crisis and sanctions that these KOZLs "jumped" with their Maidan. And then they are well settled, they work for us, they eat and "serut" in social networks to us utterly, dream of the revival of "nenko" within the "European Union". Let them go to their place and arrange this "entry".

[retardu]

The same can be said about Russians living in decaying countries (USA and Europe) who actively broadcast in social networks that Russia is so good, but find 10000 reasons not to return there

[Monster_Fat]

"Dude, you are persecuting," "Russians" who live on the border are no longer "Russians" if they do not have the appropriate citizenship, firstly, secondly: those emigrants from the USSR and Russia in different countries with whom I spoke- they always speak unflatteringly about Russia in the way that they need to somehow justify their emigration ... What they "broadcast" on the networks ... so there, too, the emigrant women do not say anything good about Russia, except that some responded positively about Crimea .. ...

[Mic1969]

And what did you want to say? What do you need from the FRG under the back of your knee, or what? Usually, Russians living outside the hillock do not particularly praise the fatherland.

[retardu]

Yes, not only in Germany, but all those who live in another country without being born in it and want it.
This can be said about Ukrainians in Russia (who wants it, but lives there)
Monster, apparently you watched the news a little ago. How many Russians in the same Germany blamed Germany and everyone told how good it was in their homeland. The same thing in the Baltic states, the Russian part of the population constantly aching as it is, but at the same time it sits in the Baltic states.
Or clowns like Kobzon, treated in the EU, but says that their medicine is worse than in Russia

[Buran]

Maybe now they will start to fight unemployment with salaries, not gastritis. After technical schools and colleges, the kids are sitting without work, and the hay-salozhop rubles are knocked down.

[provincial]

It's time for the "brothers" to go home, have a stay and that's enough. Europe is tired of waiting. And so good news.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

It's time to go home, "brothers", excuse me .. (you can leave the women and children ..) And the rest to Kiev! (2.6 million ..) This is an Army and not one ....! Patience and money in Russia is running out (in Syria, brothers fight to the death ..) Yes, I don’t want to understand, but understand us too!

[Anisim1977]

They did the right thing - Donbass is sacred. Return the rest of the Slav brothers to their homeland, especially the "zapadentsev" - let them rake on the spot what they did with their tacit consent or go to Europe. The same residents of Kharkov, Sumy, Zaporozhye, Kherson, Nikolaev - sorry, but what the hell are they allowing a bunch of degenerates to do this at home.
I can imagine how many people in the territory of historical New Russia who have weapons in their hands and know how to use them are former military and police officers (who are not frostbitten), private security companies, bandits, just hunters .......

[Pentarhist]

... out of 2,6 million temporarily staying citizens of Ukraine of all categories - 404 thousand people applied to the FMS for refugee status, 265 thousand people applied for a temporary residence permit. The remaining mass of displaced persons does not have any long-term status, using either the practice of the FMS patent (see below) or staying on the temporary status of a grace period of 90 days, which is subject to cancellation from November 1, 2015;
The FMS in every possible way impedes obtaining the status of RVP (temporary residence permit) and refugee status, in every possible way pedaling the issue of refugees buying a patent for work ...

http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

[Pentarhist]

... Even the official registration procedures require a refugee a lump sum from 5 to 000 rubles (depending on the region) in order to collect all the certificates and go through all the procedures for submitting a package of documents to the FMS. In the case of quick processing of documents through the "shops" the amount is easily doubled;
Only official payments on the patent system in Moscow amounted to about 7 billion rubles for the current year - refugees in fact fill the budget of Moscow no worse than the “native Muscovites”;
The "program of native speakers of the Russian language" and the "program of resettlement of compatriots" practically do not work. Registration for the Russian language exam in the already mentioned Moscow is already being conducted in mid-2017, and the total number of compatriots who have used the resettlement program amounted to only 60 people for the current year. In addition, the provisions of these programs imply an “advance” withdrawal from Ukrainian citizenship, which contradicts international conventions on preventing the creation of categories of stateless persons - in the event of failure of this program in the future, the citizen who submitted the documents “hangs in the air” between Russia and Ukraine;
...
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

[Cthulhu]

Firstly. For providing temporary asylum, no state duty. Moreover, the state pays assistance in the amount of 100 rubles / day - for each family member. For granting refugee status, no state duty. For obtaining Russian citizenship under simplification, the state duty is - 2000 rubles. Federal Law and administrative regulations of the Federal Migration Service, help you!
Secondly. The patent system (with payments of 7 billion rubles) has nothing to do with refugees. This is the cutest migrant worker.
Lie, but know the measure! My minus.

[Pentarhist]

You are almost completely off topic. Finally read the article

[Pentarhist]

A selection of comments on the article:
Round table on the problem of Ukrainian refugees.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

= not true, quite the opposite. In fact, the problem rests on quotas for RVP, but many categories of Ukrainian citizens just go besides quotas. =
Outside of quotas go close relatives or husband-wife (one Satan). Even the grandmother to the grandson needs to be issued in the general order of obtaining RVP. As part of the quota. And by the way, what, quotas - this is not a policy including the FMS?
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=824553#t824553

There is nothing "ready-made". The Russian state provides assistance either under the program of centralized placement of refugees (about 150 people passed there), or under the program of resettlement of compatriots (about 000 people went there). Nobody eats your porridge, calm down.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821737#t821737

2,6 million arrived. Of these, 1 million came from a war zone. In which Russia acted as the guarantor of peace (about the participation of Russia in the war in the Donbass - outside of this blog).
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=834537#t834537

"Official" refugees - 404 thousand people.
These are those who were able to prove their refugee status.
Of the 2,6 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia and of the 1 million (minimum) of those who did not leave Ukraine of their own free will.
Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
For example, there are no "political refugees" or "militia members".
They are not spelled out in the legislation.

But in fact they are.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821993#t821993

From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.
And yes, there is no "political refugee" status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820457#t820457


= Russia pays 800 rubles a day for the maintenance of such refugees (per person), so 24 thousand rubles a month for the Russian hinterland is very quite. =
Russia does not pay this money to refugees, it’s enough to quote this duck here. Russia spends such an amount on refugees, refugees do not receive anything in their hands - and do not demand, because they have no right.
In general, you can ask how much money has been spent on this program of creating a temporary placement (without taking into account what has been done for this money), it will work to accommodate 100-150 thousand people for a month or two.
What they said at the round table. Now the refugees live on their own; no one wears anything in their beak.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=828393#t828393

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

listen learn how to highlight quotes in a human way, you can break your eyes

Quote: pentarhist

Outside of quotas go close relatives or husband-wife (one Satan). Even the grandmother to the grandson needs to be issued in the general order of obtaining RVP. As part of the quota. And by the way, what, quotas - this is not a policy including the FMS?

if it’s about obtaining citizenship, it’s a lie, and it’s nasty and vile - There are no quotas for the acquisition of Russian citizenship.
http://www.fmschel.ru/execution/foreign/citizenship.htm

In accordance with Article 14, persons can be accepted into Russian citizenship in a simplified manner:
having at least one parent with Russian citizenship and residing in the territory of the Russian Federation (paragraph “a” of part 1 of article 14);
resident and resident, in the states that were part of the USSR, who did not receive the citizenship of these states, stateless persons, former citizens of the USSR (paragraph “b” of part 1 of article 14);
citizens of the states that were part of the USSR who received secondary vocational or higher vocational education after July 1, 2002 in Russian educational institutions (paragraph “c” of part 1 of article 14);
born on the territory of the RSFSR, and having citizenship of the former USSR (clause "a" of part 2 of article 14);
living in the Russian Federation and married to a citizen of the Russian Federation for at least three years (paragraph “b” of part 2 of article 14);
being disabled and having adult capable children - citizens of the Russian Federation (paragraph “c” of part 2 of article 14);
have a child who is a citizen of the Russian Federation - in the event that the other parent of this child, who is a citizen of the Russian Federation, has died either by a court decision that has entered into legal force, is recognized as missing, incapable or limited in legal capacity, deprived of parental rights or limited in parental rights (paragraph "d" of part 2 of article 14);
have a son or daughter who have reached the age of eighteen years, who are citizens of the Russian Federation and a court decision that has entered into legal force, are recognized as legally incompetent or limited in their legal capacity, if another parent of the indicated citizens of the Russian Federation who is a citizen of the Russian Federation has died or by decision a court that has entered into legal force, is recognized as missing, legally incompetent or limited in legal capacity, deprived of parental rights or limited in parental rights (paragraph “e” of part 2 of article 14);
disabled persons who arrived in the Russian Federation from the states that were part of the USSR and were registered at their place of residence in the Russian Federation as of July 1, 2002 (Part 3 of Article 14);
veterans of the Great Patriotic War (part 5 of article 14);
children and incapacitated persons (part 6 of article 14);
registered at the place of residence in the territory of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation that they have chosen for permanent residence in accordance with the State Program for Assisting the Voluntary Resettlement of Compatriots Living Abroad to the Russian Federation (Part 7 of Article 14).

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
For example, there are no "political refugees" or "militia members".
They are not spelled out in the legislation

lies again

Asylum in the Russian Federation

In 1992, the Russian Federation acceded to the 1951 UN Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. The Russian Federation provides asylum to foreign citizens and stateless persons seeking asylum in its territory by:

political asylum;
refugee recognition;
providing temporary asylum.
On the basis of Article 63 of the Constitution, the Russian Federation provides foreign citizens and stateless persons with political asylum in accordance with generally recognized norms of international law.

Political Asylum

Political asylum on the territory of Russia is carried out in accordance with the Regulation on the procedure for granting political asylum by the Russian Federation, approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 21, 1997 No. 746. Political asylum is granted to foreign citizens and stateless persons seeking asylum and protection from persecution or a real threat of becoming a victim of persecution in the country of their nationality or in the country of their usual residence for socio-political activities and beliefs that do not contradict democratic principles recognized by the international community , international law. Applications for political asylum are accepted by the territorial bodies of the FMS of Russia.

http://www.fms.gov.ru/government_services/asylum/

where do you pay attention I'm not referring to bloggers but documents

[Pentarhist]

= if it’s about obtaining citizenship, it’s a lie, and it’s nasty and vile - There are no quotas for acquiring Russian citizenship. =

There was no talk of this. Quotas on RVP.

= again a lie
Asylum in the Russian Federation

The Russian Federation in 1992 joined the 1951 UN Convention and the 1967 Protocol, =

Yes, it's not about that. The fact is that many (if not most) refugees from U. are not recognized as such. Russia does not classify them as listed by you.


“Many of the really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine do not fall under the legislative acts.
For example, there are no "political refugees" (from U.) or "members of the militia."
They are not spelled out in the legislation.


From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.
And yes, there is no "political refugee" status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.

And Anpilogov is not a "blogger", but one of the largest participants in those events. If anything is unclear, ask him on the blog.

P.S. By the way, do not tell me how to find out here that your comment was answered?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you first learn how to highlight quotes

Quote: pentarhist

Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
For example, there are no "political refugees" (from U.) or "members of the militia."
They are not spelled out in the legislation.

Lord what legal illiteracy
open the FMS website and read the regulations

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.

you will be surprised but they are right, legally there is not any novorosiya and those who receive refuge legally refugees from Ukraine

Quote: pentarhist

or "members of the militia".
They are not spelled out in the legislation.

unequivocally, legally such a concept does not exist, and if anyone comes with screams they say I'm a militia and let me get something fast there and they send him

[Pentarhist]

The thing is that there is no category of political refugees from Ukraine. There are refugees from the territory of the fighting, but there are no political refugees. Do not even have visas with U. which polit. refugees?
For example, Anpilogov himself is a political refugee from Dnepropetrovsk, but cannot have such a status

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

There are refugees from the territory of the fighting, but there are no political refugees

for Christ’s sake, study the law and stop writing bullshit
RUSSIAN FEDERATION FEDERAL LAW ON REFUGEES
Article 1. Basic concepts

1. For the purposes of this Federal Law, the following basic concepts apply:

1) refugee - this is a person who is not a citizen of the Russian Federation and who, due to well-founded fears of becoming a victim of persecution according to race, religion, citizenship, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political beliefs is outside the country of his nationality and cannot use the protection of this country or does not want to use such protection due to such fears; or, having no certain citizenship and being outside the country of his former usual residence as a result of such events, cannot or does not want to return to it due to such fears;

in nature, there is no concept of a political refugee or a refugee "from the territory of hostilities", there is a concept of a refugee and they receive refugee status in the Federal Migration Service, and your Anpiligov is either a liar or a fool once he bears such nonsense

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

Even official registration procedures require a refugee a lump sum from 5 to 000 rubles (depending on the region) to collect all certificates and go through all the procedures for submitting a package of documents to the FMS

what nonsense? !!!!
can you give a breakdown of such amounts ?!

[Pentarhist]

Ask here-

http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820201#t820201

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I ask the one who brought the number

[Pentarhist]

So he brought it. This is Anpilogov, one of the largest figures in the late New Russia

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what he writes nonsense and nonsense
there are facts let it lead no sorry stick my tongue ...
In addition, strange refugees Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world, so it can choose what is easier ?!

[Pentarhist]

You write nonsense. The person directly deals with the problem. It relies mainly on the officer. data. If you have questions, ask him on the blog.
And why did you decide that everything to plod around in Moscow? 400000 thousand patents are with Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. Who have less problems than refugees

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

And why did you decide that everything to plod around in Moscow?

because as a basis all figures and prices are taken in Moscow

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

The "program of native speakers of the Russian language" and the "program of resettlement of compatriots" practically do not work

strange and I moved on it

Quote: pentarhist

Registration for the exam in the Russian language in the already mentioned Moscow is now being conducted in mid-2017

you have some kind of mess, the status of the program participant is given on the ground, that is, where you live with what have the exams in Moscow?

Quote: pentarhist

and the total number of compatriots who benefited from the resettlement program was only 60 for the current year

So what?!

Quote: pentarhist

In addition, the provisions of these programs imply the withdrawal of Ukrainian citizenship “in advance”, which contradicts international conventions on preventing the creation of categories of stateless persons

Well, this is generally nonsense, you are my friend or are illiterate in this matter or just a provocateur
By the way, the page you are linking to is NO

[Pentarhist]

Read carefully. You are not the topic, but this is a person who is closely involved in the topic, Anpilogov-
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you know, I came to the Russian Federation from Kazakhstan and came across the work of the FMS directly, in 80% of cases of "hemorrhoids" the visitors themselves are to blame
but what writes anpilogov generally nonsense

[Pentarhist]

So you are from Kazakhstan.
Anpilogov not only helps refugees, but also himself. Let those who wish to read the article and decide for themselves.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: pentarhist

So you are from Kazakhstan.

No, I live in the USSR from Russia

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

that is, essentially unable to answer? !!

[BAT]

Or maybe it’s specially done. How much money did zarobitchans take to the outskirts? Billions of dollars. They fed their families, replenished the country's budget with currency. And, it should be noted replenished robust ... And now the shop was closed. Not only will there be no more foreign exchange earnings in the budget, but the army of the unemployed will increase significantly. And this is an increase in social tension. And the zarobitsch will remain one on one with the junta and its orders ... No, I’m not gloating, I just analyze and think that maybe it’s even like this that it will reach a simple mine, that it’s impossible to live on like that. After all, all these zarobitchites are solid mine-goers. They don't give a damn about what's on the outskirts. He has an income and good. Also, upon arrival at the outskirts, they sit with friends for a bottle and talk about what kind of scoops, quilted jackets, ka-tsa-bastards and scum ... Now let them scratch their turnips and start to think at least a little.

[Pentarhist]

= Or maybe it was specially done. How much money did zarobitchans take to the outskirts? Billions of dollars =

Actually, Ross. the state sponsors more with its discounts, benefits and deferrals. At what directly to the junta (and that already at its discretion may give a discount to the end consumer). And here people send to their families. And since they work in the Russian Federation, it is more likely that they treat her well.

[Mic1969]

Quote: pentarhist

And since they work in Russia,

Then let them pay taxes in the Russian Federation.

Quote: pentarhist

more likely to be well treated.

Far from a fact.

Quote: pentarhist

people send to their families

Moreover, in currency, buying up currency in the Russian Federation for rubles, they contributed to the depreciation of the ruble.

[Pentarhist]

= Let them pay taxes in the Russian Federation. =

In the sense ? They pay them in the Russian Federation.

= Moreover, in the currency, buying up the currency in the Russian Federation for rubles, they contributed to the depreciation of the ruble. =

That’s who is to blame :) Ukrainian refugees and just migrant workers :) They cannot use rubles in U. so they have to transfer to other currencies.

[Mic1969]

90% of them do not pay taxes anywhere.

Quote: pentarhist

They cannot use rubles in U.

Yes, they can’t, therefore, they sell, thereby, although not much, but they influence.

[roskot]

It's time to put things in order in this matter. What privileges can be, except for citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk.

[Pentarhist]

2,6 million arrived. Of these, 1 million came from a war zone. In which Russia acted as the guarantor of peace (about the participation of Russia in the war in the Donbass - outside of this blog).
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=834537#t834537

"Official" refugees - 404 thousand people.
These are those who were able to prove their refugee status.
Of the 2,6 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia and of the 1 million (minimum) of those who did not leave Ukraine of their own free will.
Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
For example, there are no "political refugees" or "militia members".
They are not spelled out in the legislation.

But in fact they are.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821993#t821993

From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.
And yes, there is no "political refugee" status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820457#t820457

[askort154]

That's right! Those who came to sit out from the problems of conscription to a civil war (on both sides) or to a "shabbat", let them come back, there they are awaited - "visa-free" trips to the EU, "heroes of the Maidan" and
American servants: Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk and Saakashvili. And refugees for political reasons, for the most part, have already been settled in Russia, having accepted the citizenship of the Russian Federation.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Frau Merkel 3 billion for 400 thousand Arabs (mostly men) is ready to pay the Kiev junta ... Accept Ukraine and you will definitely get into the EU ...! We have 2.6 million ... and spent a lot more money! They want to take your places, it is time to show love for the Motherland, Ukrainians! Sorry, but we will kick you out with kicks, it’s time to jump in Kiev!

[dckx]

I'm afraid this decision is exclusively within the framework of security, the border is being closed - passports can be faked and sent prepared contingents for sabotage ....

[BOB044]

The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

Right, it's time, you need to give benefits to those who do not pour dirt on your country. And fighting the Nazis. And does not water our country when at home in Ukraine. And he makes an ingenious person when he makes money in Russia.

[Mountain shooter]

I didn’t even know how many Ukrainians in our country have Ukrainian citizenship. It is time for them to know the honor. Suitcase, train station, territory 404. Well, or a patent, and work. Got a few. Deal with your maydanutami-yourself.

[Mic1969]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I didn’t even know how many Ukrainians in our country have Ukrainian citizenship.

In fact, there are even more, many completely illegal.

[Pentarhist]

... The practice of linking the filing of documents with the FMS with the registration of refugees at private addresses causes a situation in which almost all registration of displaced persons turns out to be “fake”: the FMS does not actually control the displaced persons, and the displaced persons are in fact violators of the legislation of the Russian Federation, without actually living at the addresses indicated in the documents. At the same time, as the official riveting of refugees to the FMS branches, indicating the actual address of their stay, would solve this problem.
And finally, a bit of sociology. 83% of Russians believe that Ukrainian refugees should already "go home." Only 17% of the respondents agreed to their further stay in Russia.
The official action of the FMS after December 1, 2015, if the refugee fails to issue permits within this period, according to the law, will be the deportation of refugees back to Ukraine. Including, of course, and political refugees and members of the militia. This, of course, if you follow the letter of the law.

Or, judging by the current situation, about one and a half million citizens of Ukraine should apply for patents, RVP and citizenship in the remaining period of 30 days.
...
http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

[fa2998]

Quote: Observer2014

But this had to be done a long time ago.

Simple arithmetic-2600000-1000000 = 1600000 people-citizens of Ukraine excluding the Donbass. If among them at least 10% of the military are drafted, the problems with the recruitment of another wave are solved in Kiev. People in Russia are hiding from recruitment, and many mobilization waves have failed, and the fighting subsided. So, that is a moot point! Tajiks will drop in instead of Ukrainians.

[Mic1969]

And you don’t worry about mobilization. If Khokhlovoenkoms with 40 million did not score, then 1,6 million will not be collected. After all, you can hide from the draft not only in Russia, but also in the cache, with the mother under the skirt. In Russia, the truth was also possible to earn.

[for_White_Only]

Ahah)) the earplugs will go home) to the ground)) to clean the Polish toilets) Europe?
suitcase, train station, kuev!

[RUSLAN]

I also think that they stayed, it’s time and honor to know! Who was zombied, time was to see, but not to see, so fate knows! Those who decide to stay as refugees or for permanent residence, I would check through the FSB!

[Steppe]

Everything is correct. So now Russia supplies Ukraine not only gas, but also its own citizens with brainwashed.

[AdekvatNICK]

now we are going to everything and go to our beloved Europe or already stable Ukraine back.

[MsRedMaster]

They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

And I'm not happy, even if they have a lot of "stoned" government of the city ... but for me personally, they still remain brothers. And in a difficult situation, I think we must help our relatives !!!

[Mic1969]

Well, I want to say. As a representative of the building-coven community, I warmly approve.

[Support]

When these brothers and sisters with uncles and even a beat knows who, it interferes with manure in my country (I personally heard other Russians from refugees in Kamchatka in my address)) ..... I saw such relatives in a coffin.

[Alexandr2637]

At last! And then wherever you spit - around SHO yes SHO ...
Let the grown fascists be destroyed at home!

[Alexandr2637]

Quote: fa2998

Quote: Observer2014

But this had to be done a long time ago.

If among them at least 10% of those liable for military service, then the problems with the draft of another wave have been resolved in Kiev ..

If among them at least 10% with weapons in their hands will stand against fascist evil in Ukraine ....

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexandr2637

If among them at least 10% with weapons in their hands will stand against fascist evil in Ukraine ....

Yes, except for especially stoned no one wants to fight .. The mother-in-law's cousin graduated from a university in Kiev - he still has not taken his diploma, because he will immediately go to war from the dean's office, the whole group says, except for the "thieves"

[chunga-changa]

Much ado about nothing. Previously, the residents of the rest of Ukraine did not need anything, they had to look at the FMS and they automatically renewed the registration without question. Now you just need to draw up documents, get a patent, as well as all the other visitors, it is not difficult. And Donbass residents still do not need to do this.

[Cen2rion]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Cen2rion

Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape.

Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

And if you were born in the RSFSR, grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived in Russia, in their youth, during the Soviet Union, they left for the Ukrainian SSR according to their distribution after studies, in the 90s they were forced to obtain a Ukrainian passport, then everything was no longer native Russians, but traitors? .. So, let’s write others as well, we will refuse those who have considered themselves Russian all their lives and consider them regardless of their place of residence and stamp in their passport ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Cen2rion

And if you were born in the RSFSR, grandfathers and great-grandfathers
lived in Russia, in youth, during the Soviet Union, left for the Ukrainian SSR according to distribution after studies

Take and imagine Uchilka, who has been waiting 40 years for her habitation, and here the radical Russians suggest waiting another 10 years
My own sister was assigned to Krasnoyarsk. What does it say. You are not a fig in your Moscow can not live. 30 years in Siberia and like it. Free land a little further away

[Rigla]

At last. Leave only political refugees and refugees from the Donbass, give them Russian citizenship. The rest of the filthy broom jumping into Bandera.

[slizhov]

It seems that our government has changed its mind.
For those of us, we give them gas at a discount ...
The blockade was tripled wherever it was possible, but we ... do not do this to the fraternal people ...
No, so long ago we were told:
"we will never be brothers,
neither home nor mother ... !!! "
Maybe EVERYTHING and send them to their own mother, who brought her son into the light, capable of only pounding hooves with torches on paving stones ..?

[Pentarhist]

Quote: Mic1969

90% of them do not pay taxes anywhere.

This is except with the guest workers from Wed. Asia (yes, they probably pay more often), which will replace the Little Russians.

[sounddoc]

So I watch the members of the forum and I understand: but the main goal is still achieved ... I managed to drive a wedge between the Slavs, children of the same kind, the branches of the same tree (I apologize for the pathos)! "Divide and rule..."
I want to describe the situation from the inside. The population of Ukraine today can be divided into three groups - stubborn, stupid and scared. I won’t talk about stubborn people, and everything is clear. As for stupid people: a group of people of different property, cultural, educational and intellectual levels who are sincerely they believe that everything was stolen by Yanukovych, Putin is to blame for everything. The holy people believe in ravings about a ukrozomboyaschik, wear embroidered shirts, forgetting that whoever puts on an embroidered shirt does not automatically become a Ukrainian, but remains a fool in an embroidered shirt. This group does not have a clear distinction between partial overflow of the masses from one group to another is observed.
The frightened are the largest part of the nenki population, and the more east, the higher their numbers. For various reasons - fear for themselves for the lives of loved ones, weakness of spirit, the traditional "moyahataskrau" sit quieter than water, below the grass and are afraid to open their mouths or just raise their heads ...
The situation is difficult, joyless, dreary. Some of the stupid ones have already begun to reach through empty pockets and stomachs, which is not as glamorous as they represent according to UkroTV. But in conversations they still cling to phrases like "this is what it all went on ... Yanukovych would get even worse ... Yanukovych was preparing the surrender of Crimea ... Russia dreamed of conquering us, etc. ", but they say this nonsense in an increasingly less confident voice ...
You can talk endlessly ... and is it worth it ... with all due respect to the personality and talent of the GDP, I cannot but mention one fundamental error: the official recognition of the junta in the long run has brought Russia more losses than dividends ...
So that's it, the Russian brothers ... sadly (((((((((((

[boris-1230]

I managed to drive a wedge between the Slavs, children of the same kind, branches of the same tree (I apologize for the pathos)!

Than to have such relatives - it is better to remain an orphan!

[Pentarhist]

Outside of the quota, there are also everyone who came under the resettlement assistance program.
Anpilogov-
Yes, I gave you a figure - 60 people moved in under this program.
I perfectly know the fate of these immigrants, since some of my friends took advantage of it. In the best case, enough to pay for housing and food, in the worst case - not enough for anything.
Because in general, the program offers fairly depressed areas in which many people simply do not find work in their specialty.

"Russia pays 800 rubles a day for the maintenance of such refugees (per person), so 24 thousand rubles a month for the Russian hinterland is quite enough."
Anpilogov-
Russia does not pay this money to refugees, it’s enough to quote this duck here. Russia spends such an amount on refugees, refugees do not receive anything in their hands - and do not demand, because they have no right.
In general, you can ask how much money has been spent on this program of creating a temporary placement (without taking into account what has been done for this money), it will work to accommodate 100-150 thousand people for a month or two.
What they said at the round table. Now the refugees live on their own; no one wears anything in their beak.

http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html#comments

[Pentarhist]

Anpilogov-
The cost of a patent varies by region.
In Moscow, the advance on personal income tax is 4000 per month, which displays the cost of a patent in the amount of 48 rubles per year. Plus, the cost of registration.
In the regions - less, but there are also salaries, excuse me, not Moscow.
But, in general, the entire policy of the FMS is aimed at transferring everyone to the patent and to the "shops" that issue it.

http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html#comments

[Reptiloid]

Quote: Finches

I understand! That people didn’t come from a good life! They need to feed their families and survive, but as soon as I hear a southern Ukrainian dialect somewhere on Sennaya, Nevsky or Angliysky Prospekt, hatred captures me - why not here?
in his European, prosperous state, not in his beloved Europe, or not from his masters in Washington ???
I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!

I didn’t understand a bit. I’m not ironic. I walk along the same streets as you. SOUTH UKRAINIAN never heard a dialect. South RUSSIAN ---- maybe sometimes on Angliysky Prospekt. After 3 minutes --- MUSEUM NOVOROSSII. People can come to heal. Severely ill. Someone should bring them.
Builders are probably trying to work more in the area. They’re trying not to be visible. This is my impression.

[pilot bin-bom]

This is only a half measure - 90 days. It is necessary to switch to a visa regime. No, really! Died - so dead!

[S_Baykala]

Quote: Finches

... look at the preliminary results of the last elections in Ukraine .... in fourth place is the Lyashko Radical Party - 8,6%,

How do you comment on these election results?

I’m sorry that I’m getting into a conversation and a little off topic, but personally these numbers just kill me: almost 9% support the rear-wheel drive in the person of the leader of this party. Tin. But you have to multiply by 2: I, of course, am not a super psychologist, but for some reason it seems to me that women have a certain disgust for this type of male person and are unlikely to vote for them (who reads the party program? Yes, almost anyone vote for the person , symbol, leader), cross them out. That is, judging by the statistics, the data of males in Ukraine is almost 20%! Get crazy.

[holgert]

Don't feel sorry for them "" much "- they, unlike us, make good money here, and upon arrival they throw mud at the country that 1) fed them for a long time and gave them work 2) never really reproached them with a piece of bread unlike their Ukraine .....

[complete zero]

why such a judgment (muddied) for all that respected is not worth talking about? I worked with Ukrainians for more than a dozen years (the driller had a "forest brother" in general) and no excesses at work and at home (field season 6 months) never arose .. they are people everywhere (if people, of course )

[rom8726]

I wonder what will happen to those Ukrainians who came from the western or central regions of Ukraine, or from the Kyiv-controlled areas of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions? Will they be impaled there? Our authorities protected the Russians well, it would have been better not to have protected them

[mich]

Quote: vit8180

the remaining 60-57%

Earn money in Russia! if a person doesn’t try to change something, it means he’s happy with everything

[morozik]

All this is bullshit, you don’t have to go to Ukraine to extend your visa... I’m generally surprised by the “narrow-mindedness” of Russians who treat Russians in Ukraine as non-tribesmen

[mamont5]

Quote: Observer2014

The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
But this should have been done for a long time. If you go only for a visit or for always. And from Donbass to make it easier for people to stay. There should not be any "zrabitkov" here!

Well, why, they could only be allowed in on special grounds. Just like how an article was discussed here about an entrepreneur who hired Westerners and forced them to transfer part of their salary to the Donbass relief fund, and the working day began with the slogan “Glory to Donbass!”

[Rigla]

Visa regime, period. If you are a political emigrant or refugee from Donbass, then of course we ask, please grant you citizenship. Well, so that the jumpers don’t sneak in, everyone who arrives will have to take a lie detector test and talk with psychologists about the topics: did you jump, did you write nasty things about Russia, did you help the punitive forces in the ATO, etc.

[Prisoner]

That's probably how it should be. Ukraine is “at war” with all its might, defending Europe from the “occupying” Russian troops, and citizens go to the “aggressor” country to earn money. And even on preferential terms. Is this order? No, this is not the order!

[max15243]

Maybe not quite on topic. In 2010, in order not to reduce the number of universities (since there were very few applicants born in 1993), the country’s leadership decided to invite applicants from the CIS countries (including from Ukraine) to government-funded places, i.e. . using the money of Russian citizens to teach citizens of another country. Why I still can’t understand.
As for immigrants from Ukraine, people can understand that if the Russians themselves strive to be closer to Moscow, St. Petersburg and a dozen other large cities (especially for young people), why should immigrants strive into the wilderness. In addition, these people still have relatives, house and property in Ukraine (even people from Donbass who fled the war, it seems to me, hope to return home)

[Balagan]

Well, since they consider Russia an aggressor and a country of enemies, what kind of preferential treatment is there...

[Yugra]

Do not touch the residents of Donbass. And the rest will get a kick in the ass if the time limit is over...

[snake77]

All the cockles - it's time to go home and eat lard!!!

[Xnumx vis]

Let's go home everyone! Think with your head on an empty stomach. let them stop jumping! It’s all gone: with the cold winter
Need, hunger comes;
Dragonfly doesn’t sing:
And who will mind
Singing hungry on your stomach!
Angry longing is dejected
She creeps to the Ant:
"Don't leave me, dear godfather!
Let me gather your strength
And to spring only days
Feed and warm!” - Brothers, you deserve heating. And then we’ll look and think about heating or what!

[bandabas]

“Now Ukrainians will be able to stay in Russia according to the general rules: no more than 90 days within six months.” And this despite the fact that men under 60 from Russia are prohibited from entering Ukraine. The sycophants in our government are the same. Let me remind you. I won’t say in which of the 2000s comrades with independence were allowed to stay on Russian territory for 90 days. BUT! A Russian citizen upon arrival in another locality (even on vacation) WAS OBLIGATED TO REGISTER IN HIS COUNTRY! And only about a year later, our valiant Duma and the government of the Russian Federation, realizing the insanity of the situation, equalized the rights of their citizens with the citizens of Ukraine.

[taseka]

The gentlemen scold, but among the crests, that is, The slaves' hats are flying!!!