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The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

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The preferential migration regime granted to Ukrainian citizens is no longer valid. Preferential conditions of stay in the Russian Federation are reserved only for refugees from Donbass, reports RIA News.




The agency recalls that the preferential treatment was introduced for Ukrainians last year "in connection with the hostilities in the east of the country." To extend the period of stay in the territory of the Russian Federation, it was enough for citizens of Ukraine to apply with a passport and migration card to the FMS. The rule was valid until 1 August 2015.

“Now Ukrainians will be able to stay in Russia on the general rules: no more than 90 days within six months. For a long stay in Russia, they need to either obtain a work permit or issue another suitable status, ”the agency writes.

FMS RF 1 August gave Ukrainian 90 migrants days to determine their status. Those who wanted to stay could easily get permits for work. This is a general rule for all migrants from CIS countries with whom visa-free relations are established.

Those who have not legalized during this time will have to leave Russia within 30 days, otherwise they will be denied entry for a period from 3 to 10 years.

For residents of Donbass preferential treatment extended. In total, there are about 1 million of immigrants from the east of Ukraine in the Russian Federation. The total number of Ukrainians in Russia is 2,6 million.
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  1. Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 November 2015 11: 16 New
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    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
    А вот это давно нужно было сделать.Если ехать то только в гости или на всегда.А с Донбасса людям упростить пребывание.Не каких здесь "зрабитков" не должно быть!
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 1 November 2015 11: 19 New
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      They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

      Overview of the situation in Donetsk

      It is sad, but the AFU command does not change its habits - to start shelling on Friday evening and until Monday morning. So it happened this time:
      On Friday evening, at about 18:00 p.m., shelling began from a small-arms fighter from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Peski at the positions of the militia at the traffic police post. Then, the Ukrainian fascists began shelling the village of Vodyanoye. BCH began to respond, a short shooting battle ensued. A little later, after about an hour, the Ukrainian mortar battery opened fire. They beat as usual "where the Ukrainian will send", that is, in residential areas, one civilian was wounded in the village of Vodyanoye, they said that a militia was also killed, but then the rumors were not confirmed. But ukrov, judging by the radio interception, from the return fire of the militia, one 200th and one 300th. Nonetheless, the mortar battery operated for two more hours intermittently in residential areas.
      On Saturday morning, as we are accustomed to, mortar shelling began again. He was in the area of ​​the railway station and clearly heard 120-mm mines falling at Oktyabrsky, or maybe at the airport. Who does not know, the Oktyabrsky microdistrict begins right after the railway station, stretches north to the airport and the village of Vodyanoye.
      The most interesting thing is that at the station itself and at the bazaar, people did not even scatter or fall to the ground, they got used to this cannonade for a year and a half. In stores, prices are rising, and pensions are at the same level, so people, despite the risk of being killed by a splinter, go to the bazaar to buy at least something for their pennies, where food prices are lower. But in general, terrible things, you imagine - a European or North American city, mines arrive, and earlier shells, but people are not afraid, but in a hurry. That's right, you can’t imagine ... This went on for about 4 hours with breaks between volleys, apparently the Ukrainian battery was changing positions. It was quiet during the day, and again in the evening from 18 to 22, mines began to pour again at our houses and again intermittently. They’ll do their dirty work, too, oh, these sprinters, they would need to tear off their legs ...
      I have many relatives and friends on Ukrainian territory, some have old people left there and cannot be abandoned, some have small children, so far they have not left and live. As they say, we call up and correspond, so relatives and friends in their villages noticed a large number of new soldiers, the uniforms on them are completely different and everything with backpacks behind their backs. The new ones are immediately evident, those soldiers who have been sitting here in the villages for a year look like homeless people, and they already know the villages, especially the two roads - to the liquor store and the post office, to send to their wives that we have been robbed. And these new arrivals, firstly there are many, up to several hundred, secondly they are dressed all the same, and still look neat, and in the third I don’t know anything and walk around wandering with a dull look, like beaten dogs. Compare on various videos, what a cheerful mood among the defenders of New Russia and these “dill”, but simply the Nazis with grim faces and dead eyes.
      In general, they brought them to hell. They only have a rotation for them, and maybe they are preparing for the offensive, but it’s for sure not for the winter!
      What Sunday will show, let's see.

      All patience and be healthy!
      1. avt
        avt 1 November 2015 11: 26 New
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        Quote: Sith Lord
        They say fake

        No, they really canceled it, the only question is how they will execute, well, what directive did they go to places - tighten the nuts, or rush in a hurry. By the way, DAM signed the promise to Ssynukovich in case of signing an agreement with the EU and postponed until 2016 - the abolition of preferential customs tariffs on the remaining delivered products from Ukraine.
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        I don’t understand what kind of refugees, and even with a preferential regime, they can be from Galicia, Lviv, Poltava, etc.,

        You confuse the concept - then, so that they wouldn’t give the army the benefit of being ALL, especially, and now they specifically decided to ask the visitors a question - Who are you? You’ll decide whether you want citizenship, a refugee, or you’ve come to work and that’s normal, and the right time was a wagon and a trolley in addition, to decide and even get settled. But what a cut Benny started with Offal! It's expensive to watch! laughing Gunpowder went all in for a bank - Odessa Bene, Transcarpathia blew up the Balogam, but decided to hit Beni’s very heart in Dnepropetrovsk. laughing
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 1 November 2015 11: 40 New
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          Quote: avt
          the only question is how they will execute


          But this had to be done earlier (to finish the deportation to the election process), but even now the political effect will be very significant - they will have something to compare, life in Russia and life in Ukria.
          1. victor
            victor 1 November 2015 20: 47 New
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            Goodbye to the unwashed Russia !!!! Europe is waiting !!! It remains only to dig an underground passage. They won’t give a visa. But nothing - a muzzle with a wax, hair with curlers - and dance a europ - soon you will ... If necessary, we will accept Islam.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 1 November 2015 12: 10 New
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          Quote: avt
          decide whether you want citizenship, a refugee, or you came to work and that’s normal, and the right time was a car and a trolley in addition


          Right. But Ukrainian emigrants expected to sit out, resolve, but did not resolve. But picking them out of cities and weights is not an easy task. Some without registration have been living for 5 years and are not going to register. Here the task for district police officers (hemorrhoids, of course) is to work hard.
          1. Rostov
            Rostov 1 November 2015 13: 52 New
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            Quote: Lelek
            But picking them out of cities and weights is not an easy task.

            Come on. It depends on what task will be set. If instructions come to the headquarters, then they will pick it up in a week, it has been checked on Tajiks and Georgians at one time.
            Quote: Lelek
            Here the task for the district (hemorrhoids, of course) - you have to work hard

            If the district policeman is permanent, then he knows everyone who lives, where he works or works part-time. The problem is that there are not so many of them left now. But I repeat, if there is a necessary instruction, 90% of illegal immigrants will work out in a week, if only the courts have time to make decisions, and the bailiffs should be deported.
        3. captain
          captain 1 November 2015 12: 16 New
          46
          Не могу понять только одного, почему нельзя упростить получения гражданства для русских, татар, башкир...., проживающих на территории бывших союзных советских республик? А для коренных национальностей РФ сделать его по принципу "крови"? У нас есть программа переселения "соотечественников", советую комментирующим поинтересоваться, куда людям предлагают ехать, в чем жить и где и кем работать. Мое мнение, оно конечно ничего не решает, но считаю, что нашему государству необходимо приглашать, переманивать, уговаривать и т.д, всех русских, татар.... и представителей других коренных народов России к нам. При нашей огромной территории, нам необходимо, если верить нашим ученым 500млн жителей, что бы у нас была нормальная экономика. При таких темпах роста населения, как у нас, мы этого никогда не достигнем.
          1. rom8726
            rom8726 1 November 2015 12: 59 New
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            That's right. First, they yell that the population is small, we will protect all Russians, the collapse of the USSR is the greatest tragedy and 25 million Russians have remained abroad, but in reality nobody needs anyone.
            1. rom8726
              rom8726 1 November 2015 13: 01 New
              +7
              And if there is no type work for them - to expel one million two Tajik guest workers and there will be work
              1. Starley from the south
                Starley from the south 4 November 2015 01: 54 New
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                Quote: rom8726
                And if there is no type work for them - to expel one million two Tajik guest workers and there will be work

                What are the poor Tajiks guilty of? They are definitely better than dill.
            2. rom8726
              rom8726 1 November 2015 13: 02 New
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              Nigretos or some Sasha Gray are given the same citizenship, and without any problems
              1. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
                Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 16: 15 New
                +7
                За такое ПОГОНЯЛО "американца африканского происхождения" один из наших модераторов влепил мне предупреждение!
                1. segamegament
                  segamegament 1 November 2015 23: 30 New
                  +9
                  Indians live in India, Indians in America (well, they should have lived), and Negroes in Africa, why the ban?
                2. edge
                  edge 2 November 2015 06: 36 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov
                  За такое ПОГОНЯЛО "американца африканского происхождения" один из наших модераторов влепил мне предупреждение!

                  well, it’s understandable, a server is in Germany, it’s worth it
            3. Cen2rion
              Cen2rion 1 November 2015 13: 24 New
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              I agree! Last May, my dad and mother left Donetsk under the whistle of mortar fragments, from the very frontier, from the village of Oktyabrsky. Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape. At all instances, more than once passed. This is necessary, then .... Everything goes with a creak. But the native Russian, from the Novgorod region and Izhevsk. Where are all the loud statements about repatriation, where are the preferential conditions for refugees? ... The bureaucracy is invincible ????
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 1 November 2015 13: 44 New
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                Quote: Cen2rion
                Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape.

                Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?
                1. Tusv
                  Tusv 1 November 2015 14: 12 New
                  +5
                  In vain, put the cons
                  Where are all the loud statements about repatriation, where are the preferential conditions for refugees? ... The bureaucracy is invincible ????

                  And who promised you the Leningrad and Moscow registration?
                  The law works. Allocate land for free. Just did not try to get it
                  1. BARKHAN
                    BARKHAN 1 November 2015 18: 05 New
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                    The man writes that his parents came to him ... please read carefully.
                    У нас в Пензе пооперативней работает ФМС.Лично знаком с 5-ю семьями с Донбасса ,все с детьми.Гражданство получили примерно за полгода,работу сразу...дети ,уже,гордо говорят -"Мы россияне!".Так .что ненька пусть умоется.А если ,кто то бандеризирован хоть маленько ,гнать без разговора...Европейцев-нахрен в Европу!
                    1. Starley from the south
                      Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 00 New
                      +1
                      Тут под Ростовом-на-Дону "беженцы" с Укропии (не с Донбасса) попробовали качать права, так их недолго терпели, подогнали автобусы и "мотай до своего Днепропетровска, там не стреляют". Так эти "беженцы" живо присмирели и теперь не возникают. Все зависит от местных властей.
                2. 97110
                  97110 3 November 2015 09: 12 New
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                  Quote: Tusv
                  Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

                  Mother-in-law. Born in the Yaroslavl region In the Far East, I met my future husband. Having built what the Komsomol members needed, they left for their husband’s homeland. Not abroad, as you understand. To Ukraine, to Donbass. The husband was dismissed for official inconsistency. She raised, gave higher education to two daughters, who long ago in Russia. Since November 2013, she has already been taken out 2 times, we are applying for citizenship. Now she has fled to the Donbass again, she is looking for her pension. Broken glass (hail passed) partially inserted, lives. You have to take it back again. She has nobody there! Here (in Russia) there are 2 daughters, 2 grandchildren and a granddaughter, 2 great-grandchildren and are still waiting. Ukrainian passport with a note that the person is in the process ... And she is over 80 already. Answered you?
              2. Gloomstar
                Gloomstar 1 November 2015 16: 23 New
                +2
                Citizens of the CIS receive a simplification, and within six months you can get it, but for this you need to collect documents, your wife did, so what you write is an exaggeration. Who wants to get it, and who said that everything will be brought to you on a silver platter, but I had to run but nothing, there is a result, so cry less and collect documents hard and go, there are not so many of them, you just need to know which sites where This procedure is fully described.
                1. alekc75
                  alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 46 New
                  +2
                  here I don’t lie, I was born in Russia but I can’t get a passport 2 years FMS pulls although I have to get it in a simplified form
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 10: 11 New
                    +1
                    Quote: alekc75
                    don't lie here

                    he doesn’t lie, mom got for 3 months I'm for 6
                  2. yastr
                    yastr 2 November 2015 19: 15 New
                    +1
                    And I was born in Belarus, I got citizenship with my mother for three years (my father received it automatically, a serviceman of the Russian Federation), although I never had any other, my mother generally had a USSR passport until 1999 ..
                    And then, we were lucky, clung to the fact that the mother lived with his father in Serpukhov for a year, while he was finishing school.
                  3. Starley from the south
                    Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 03 New
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                    Quote: alekc75
                    passport can not get xnumx year fms pulls

                    The FMS in this case violates the law, definitely!
              3. Sinbad
                Sinbad 3 November 2015 21: 35 New
                +1
                Пора создать сайт, куда выкладывать фамилии и должности бюрократов, волокитчиков и мздоимцев, с описанием их деяний. Пусть народ знает своих "героев".
            4. Mihalich17
              Mihalich17 2 November 2015 08: 12 New
              +1
              Sorry, but let me disagree with you!
              I think your conclusions are erroneous, emotional, and completely unreasonable regarding Donbass, including! Let's flood less and if you have something to say, bring the facts!
              Regards, to your opinion!
          2. your1970
            your1970 1 November 2015 18: 04 New
            +3
            приехали,встретили хорошо,пожили 4 месяца,сказали "Так жить мы не привыкли" и уехали в Подмосковье..
            With our vast territory - 3 / 5 territories are not suitable for a comfortable life and 9 / 10 are not provided with work ..
          3. Ajevgenij
            Ajevgenij 1 November 2015 22: 51 New
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            I personally had to deal with this program (compatriots resettlement program). I can say this is pure props and assimilation of state. the budget. There is such a lot of pieces of paper and bureaucracy, just get lost. Despite the fact that there are no guarantees about obtaining citizenship. And the very salt in the registration. If no one prescribes you in the Russian Federation, then all the efforts and money spent on the move will be reset to zero, so I was forced to refuse to move to the Russian Federation.
            State Declarations officials is one thing, but the real thing is the opposite.
            1. alekc75
              alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 48 New
              0
              it's for sure- time and a bunch of papers and wait 2 years
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2015 22: 08 New
                0
                Quote: alekc75
                a bunch of papers and wait 2 years

                I wonder why lying or writing something you don’t know? !!
            2. Sinbad
              Sinbad 3 November 2015 21: 40 New
              +2
              I repeat - it’s not the program, but the specific officials.
            3. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 3 November 2015 22: 02 New
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              Quote: Ajevgenij
              I personally had to deal with this program (compatriots resettlement program). I can say this is pure props and assimilation of state. the budget. There is such a lot of pieces of paper and bureaucracy, just get lost.

              можете назвать эту "кучу"?!

              Quote: Ajevgenij
              Despite the fact that there are no guarantees about obtaining citizenship

              but this is pure lies
              Quote: Ajevgenij
              If no one prescribes you in the Russian Federation, then all the efforts and money spent on moving will be reset to zero,

              do not write nonsense
              Quote: Ajevgenij
              Therefore, he was forced to refuse to move to the Russian Federation.

              I think that's not why
              1. Starley from the south
                Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir

                I do not agree. Some articles in the laws on refugees and immigrants are spelled out clearly, everything goes as it should. And where different interpretations are possible, there is expanse for officials and bribes. Therefore, they are pulled up to 2 years. With a voice recorder, and even better with a video camera, you need to go to them and record them - for some competent authorities such recordings can be very useful.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2015 08: 23 New
                  0
                  Quote: Starley from the South
                  Some articles in the laws on refugees and immigrants

                  actually a friend wrote specifically about the resettlement program
          4. Down House
            Down House 3 November 2015 09: 32 New
            0
            Quote: captain
            With our vast territory, we need, according to our scientists, 500 million inhabitants, so that we have a normal economy.

            A link to these scientists can be?
            The main thing is that not at the beginning of the 20th century - the calculations of these scientists after 100 years are no longer relevant: one robot replaces 100 workers, one tractor replaces 10 peasants, one machine replaces the cashier))
            1. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 4 November 2015 02: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Down House
              one robot replaces 100 workers,

              Can't you give a link to the robot?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2015 08: 24 New
                0
                http://dairy-farm.ru/doilnye-zaly
        4. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 1 November 2015 13: 14 New
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          Quote: avt
          No, they really canceled it, the only question is how they will execute, well, what directive did they go to places - tighten the nuts, or rush in a hurry


          This is the most interesting moment, two families from Ukraine have been renting apartments in my house for more than a year, and somehow they don’t bother registering or patrolling themselves, they work for themselves, they install air conditioners, shutters, etc. etc. And by the way, they themselves are far from the Donbass.

          Something like this is, Dear colleagues. hi
      2. Baikonur
        Baikonur 1 November 2015 11: 28 New
        +9
        On Friday evening, at about 18:00 p.m., shelling began from a small-arms fighter from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the village of Peski at the positions of the militia at the traffic police post. Then, the Ukrainian fascists began shelling the village of Vodyanoye.

        Я сочувствую! Владыка ситх, но почему не уничтожить? Почему терпят? Не осталось сил? Нельзя залупаться при ОБСЕрах? ЧТО? удерживает от того, чтобы вырезать этих углодков ночью, под утро, тихо, когда все обсе спят сладким сном? И, Чтобы никто не догадался! ОперацЫя "Ы"!
        And the dawns here are quiet!
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 1 November 2015 11: 39 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          Я сочувствую! Владыка ситх, но почему не уничтожить? Почему терпят? Не осталось сил? Нельзя залупаться при ОБСЕрах? ЧТО? удерживает от того, чтобы вырезать этих углодков ночью, под утро, тихо, когда все обсе спят сладким сном? И, Чтобы никто не догадался! ОперацЫя "Ы"!
          And the dawns here are quiet!

          Usually they cover the art like this, not letting them relax for several hours or days, and then the militia makes a short art raid and covers the lazy ones to change the position of the Ukrainian artillerymen.
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 1 November 2015 19: 17 New
            +6
            I said, I asked why not:
            cut these carbohydrates at night, in the morning, quiet

            And not about
            then the militia makes a short art plaque and covers, lazy, to change the position of Ukrainian artillerymen.

            Я про тихую разведспецоперацию с применением разл. спецсредств и оставлением чёрнои метки от "всем известнои!" hi повстанческо-сепаратистско-наглои группировки, которую никто не знает из страны ОЗ, которую никто не знает, чтобы не подставлять ЛДНР и Россию! Сказав : " Мы сами их не знаем, это какие-то психи невменяемые, ищем, когда наидём, уничтожим!"
            1. edge
              edge 2 November 2015 06: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Baikonur
              Я про тихую разведспецоперацию с применением разл. спецсредств и оставлением чёрнои метки от "всем известнои!"

              be friends with my friend’s head, first try at least to go to a piglet with a knife .....
      3. SeAl2014
        SeAl2014 1 November 2015 11: 33 New
        +6
        Not a fake. Right And it is right.
      4. Rom14
        Rom14 1 November 2015 13: 11 New
        10
        if they are allowed and they fire ..., we weren’t sent perfumes for a long time in Afghanistan .., they weren’t allowed, and we didn’t have any corrector drones and didn’t hear about thermal imagers, and if only the border guards have night vision devices one thousand versts .. of course they hit us from around the corner and from the mountain, but so that, with impunity from the plain and famous places, some savagery .. Maybe something I don’t understand ..
        1. edge
          edge 2 November 2015 06: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Rom14
          some wildness .. Maybe something I don’t understand ..

          I don’t like that they forgot about them ... The Geyropa is worried about the emigrants (it will be hard for the rainbow ones to have to run away from .... or dress up as a burqa) .... and partially Syria.
      5. Tor5
        Tor5 1 November 2015 14: 11 New
        +4
        Lord of the Sith (1) SU  Today, 11:19 ↑


        They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

        Overview of the situation in Donetsk

        Thank you, dear Friend for the next, honest and truthful story!
      6. Normal ok
        Normal ok 1 November 2015 21: 30 New
        0
        Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 1 November 2015 21: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: Normal ok
          Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

          I answer. Peski village 4km from my house, Ukrainians are standing there, fire is being fired from the line of Peski village and the village of Experienced at Oktyabrsky and the airport, which are 1,2 km from the village of Peski.
        2. svp67
          svp67 4 November 2015 11: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Normal ok
          Question for filling: where can I fire Donetsk mines? As far as I taught, the maximum firing range of 2B11 (120mm mortar) with conventional ammunition = 7,5 km.

          Это если использовать миномет, а если стрельбу производить из 120 мм "НОНА" то радиус возрастает до 12 км так,что берем циркуль и от мест падения мин проводим две окружности, согласно масштаба карты или планы...
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 1 November 2015 11: 20 New
      +9
      Now they will often have to enjoy the ban on flights between Russia and Ukraine

      1. forest park 86
        forest park 86 1 November 2015 15: 44 New
        +6
        let them go on foot, ghouls
    3. Finches
      Finches 1 November 2015 11: 21 New
      60
      I understand! That people didn’t come from a good life! They need to feed their families and survive, but as soon as I hear a southern Ukrainian dialect somewhere on Sennaya, Nevsky or Angliysky Prospekt, hatred captures me - why not here?
      in his European, prosperous state, not in his beloved Europe, or not from his masters in Washington ???
      I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!
      1. vladek64
        vladek64 1 November 2015 11: 42 New
        15
        Quote: Finches
        I hear the southern Ukrainian dialect, then hatred captures me right after all


        Hatred is a bad adviser.
        В данном случае ненависть подталкивает вас считать ВСЕХ украинцев одинаково плохими (бандеровцы, фашисты и т.д.). Не давайте ненависти ослепить вас. Во-первых не могут все 40 с лишним миллионов быть бандеровцами. А во-вторых такие мысли активно пропагандируют (и в России и на Украине) именно западные "друзья", чтобы взаимная ненависть поощряла славян убивать друг друга.
        After all, if all the inhabitants of Ukraine are bastards, then they can drop a nuclear bomb on them. So what? Bastards do not mind.

        Do not succumb to hatred. There are a lot of good people in Ukraine. Many who are for Russia. And many would like to help Russia, but only Russia does not conduct any work with them. And this is one of the reasons why they cannot manifest themselves in any way.
        1. Finches
          Finches 1 November 2015 11: 55 New
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          Я уже много раз здесь говорил об этом,о хороших и плохих украинцах, но поделать ничего с собой не могу! И еще слыша южно-украинский говор вспоминаю Богомолова "В августе 44-го" и представляю то количество бандер, что стреляло нашим бойцам в спину, а их, которых не убили,добрая Россия из лагерей повыпускала и пенсию назначала - вот они сами и через своих выкормышей сейчас добром и отвечают:

          "Особенности... Говорит с южно-русским акцентом... И, пожалуй... кривоватые ноги... Южнорусский говор!.. Быстрее!.. Коновалов? У Коновалова утиный нос... Головатенко?.. Татуировка на кисти левой руки... Яковлев Иван?.. Короткая верхняя губа... Мазанов?.. Пойман! Степанов?.. Высокий, худой, с выступающим кадыком... Шимко? Брюнет!.. Федулов?.. Брови извилистые, широкие, заметно косит... Елисеев?.. Иваницкий?.. Сердюк?.. Нетребин?.. Гуляев?.. Орлов Василий?.. Терентьев?.. Филиппенко?.. Лисецкий?.. Поминов?.. Южнорусский говор и слегка кривые ноги!.. Думай!.. Думай быстрее и не молчи!..

          Kosheva? Hazel eyes, on ... left cheek ... Alekseev? .. Fused eyebrows, concave anti-tragus ... Scab? .. Caught! Ignatov Vasily? .. Brunet! Revyakin? .. Boychevsky? .. Lysenko? .. Guryanov Denis? .. Wormwood? .. Mishchenko? ..

          Mishchenko? !! South Russian dialect ... crooked, like cavalrymen’s legs ... eyes with narrowed eyes ... Is it possible Mishchenko ?! A verbal portrait ... Perhaps ... Mishchenko is nine hundred and five ... He is thirty-nine ... And this? ... thirty-five? Forty? ... Is it really Mishchenko ?!

          Документы - ажур! Комар носа не подточит! Если это и липа, то самого высокого качества. Липа, которую зрительно не возьмешь, за которой - государство! Кто же они?!.. А если... Как тогда они?.. Мищенко - особо опасен при задержании!.. Не тяни... Неужели это Мищенко?.."


          И для меня то же настал момент истины! "Бабушка приехала!" Хорош на шеи России сидеть, при этом постоянно поливая помоями!
          1. vladek64
            vladek64 1 November 2015 12: 37 New
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            Quote: Finches
            Imagine the number of bander that shot our fighters in the back,


            А почему вы не представляете себе другие "количества"? Например:
            "- 17.4%, или 2021 человек из 11 603, Героев Советского Союза времен Великой Отечественной войны - украинцы"
            "- 25% дважды Героев Советского Союза - родом из Украины"

            Just think: who benefits from your hatred? Obviously not in Russia's favor.

            Well, some more numbers:
            1. Finches
              Finches 1 November 2015 12: 50 New
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              Do not distort! Your friends, Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, betrayed the memory of all those who died in a terrible massacre, equating them with the invaders, and elevating Nazi accomplices to the rank of national heroes! Moreover, most Ukrainians were silent for 23 years watching this!
              I’m talking about my personal feelings of communicating with the Ukrainians of today - not those who have lived in Russia all their lives, and from there come in large numbers - boorish, neglectful of Russians towards us! As for work - they rummage around like pigs in oranges - I want it, I don’t want it ... They say we are Ukrainians - Europeans, and you are not a decree to us barbarians!
              1. vladek64
                vladek64 1 November 2015 13: 01 New
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                Quote: Finches
                Your friends Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, equating them with the invaders!


                Я сам живу на Украине. Ещё и в самом "осином гнезде" - Днепропетровске.
                Neither my friends nor I spat on the Heroes of the Soviet Union, but on the contrary, went out on May 9 to congratulate them. And now it’s not safe ...

                Why do you hate me and my friends?

                Quote: Finches
                I'm talking about my personal feelings of communication with the Ukrainians of today

                Вы опять пытаетесь всех одной краской мазать. Неужели окружающие вас россияне "одного цвета"? Или российская "либеральная оппозиция" для вас роднее чем пророссийские украинцы?
                1. Finches
                  Finches 1 November 2015 13: 23 New
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                  Good! You and your friends are normal people, but let me, if you decide to speak the language of statistics, see the preliminary results of the last elections in Ukraine (data from the Donbass website http://www.donbass-info.com/content/view/24566/ 24577 /):

                  "Кто проходит в горсоветы крупнейших городов?

                  Например в столице, по результатам опроса, на выборах в Киевский горсовет пропрезидентская сила “БПП-"Солидарность" сохраняет лидерство с 18,2%, второе место заняла партия Юлии Тимошенко "Батькивщина" с 15,1%, первую тройку замкнуло Объединение "Самопомич" - 11,1%, на четвертом месте Радикальная партия Ляшко - 8,6%, а "Демократическому альянсу" не хватает 0,5% для преодоления проходного барьера.

                  Новые политические проекты "Громадська позиция", "УКРОП", "Движение за реформы", партия "Простых людей" и партия "Решительных граждан" находятся на уровне статистической погрешности. Хотя есть и другая социология, которая демонстрирует, что, кроме тройки лидеров, в горсовет "Движение за реформы"; "УКРОП", "Единство" и "Партия решительных граждан" и ВО "Свобода".

                  Среди шести партий, проходящих в горсовет Львова, три - непарламентские. "Самопомич" получила 32,9% голосов электоральной поддержки, за БПП "Солидарность" готовы проголосовать 6,9% львовян, замыкает тройку лидеров партия "Наш край" - за нее проголосовало бы 6% опрошенных. Далее идут "Гражданская позиция" (5,8%), ВО "Свобода" (5,6%) и "Народный контроль" (4,3%).

                  В горсовет Днепропетровска уверенно проходит пять партий: "Оппозиционный блок", "УКРОП", "Громадська сила", "Объединение "Самопомощь" и "Блок Петра Порошенко".
                  В Харьковский городской совет по результатам выборов 25 октября могут пройти пять партий. "Возрождение", первым номером в избирательном списке которой значится Геннадий Кернес, с результатом 30,8%, “Объединение "Самопомич" - 8,65%, "Наш край" - 6,2%, Блок Петра Порошенко "Солидарность" - 5,4%, "Народный контроль" находится на грани проходного барьера - 4,9%.
                  В Одессе, по результатам опроса, партия "Доверяй делам" действующего мэра Геннадия Труханова на выборах в горсовет набирает около 40%. БПП, Оппозиционный блок, "Украинская морская партия" Сергея Кивалова и "Самопомич" преодолевают 5% барьер, но существенно отстают от партии действующего мэра. В партии "Батькивщина", ссылаясь на свои данные, рассчитывают набрать на городских выборах 10% голосов.
                  В Запорожье в городской совет попадают шесть партий: "Оппозиционный блок", "Солидарность", УКРОП, "Наш край", "Батькивщина" и "Самопомич".
                  В Николаеве в городской совет попадают пять партий: "Оппоблок" "Наш край" "Самопомич", "Солидарность" и "Возрождение".
                  В Виннице победу на выборах в горсовет прочат партии-новичку "Винницкая европейская стратегия" Владимира Гройсмана."


                  Как мы видим, а Вы лучше меня знаете политические программы данных партии, то о ничего по всей видимости в политике Украины не изменится! Более менее вменяемый "Оппозиционный блок", но он только чуть чуть по восточным областям побеждает, да и так же любитель поговорить об особенности украинского пути!

                  How do you comment on these election results?
                  1. vladek64
                    vladek64 1 November 2015 14: 27 New
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                    Quote: Finches
                    How do you comment on these election results?


                    For starters, see how many Ukrainians came to vote: 40-43%. Less than half.
                    And now let's look at the nest of the party Dill - Dnepropetrovsk.
                    Patrimony of the Kolomoisky creator of the Dill party.
                    According to the results of voting, Dill scored 25% of the vote. That is a quarter of the 43% of voters who came !!! That is, a little more than 10% of voters voted for Dill !!!
                    И это не взирая на то что здесь их штаб, укропами обклеен весь город, со всех экранов и радио их реклама. В конце концов здесь "самая мощная еврейская община в мире" как сказал премьер-министр Израиля, когда несколько лет назад посещал Днепропетровск.

                    So you judge Ukrainians by 10% of voters. And if you recall the Maidan, then less than one percent of the population of Ukraine jumped there. And as the attempts to organize the Maidan this summer have shown, this is unrealistic without powerful foreign intervention.

                    Насчет вменяемости "оппозиционного блока" не спешите с выводами. Лидер этого блока - бывший губернатор Днепропетровской области. И никаких иллюзий в отношении его и его команды здесь нет. Просто из двух зол люди пытались выбрать меньшее. А массовый психологический прессинг СМИ сильно мешал людям думать своей головой. У меня родственница проголосовала за Укроп. Почему она это сделала объяснить не смогла (налицо явно какой-то зомбирующий эффект). Увы такое вот уродливое лицо всеобщего избирательного права: когда в выборах участвуют бомжи, наркоманы, преступники в колониях, психи в дурдомах и домохозяйки.
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 1 November 2015 14: 49 New
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                      Okay, why argue that? I heard you, and if we put aside emotions, I understood perfectly, but unfortunately, the fact remains that Ukraine made its choice. Rather, what was left in it, except for Crimea, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. I didn’t even do it today, and not yesterday, but 23 years ago! There are other examples in the post-Soviet space: Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan and other former republics. ... we haven’t slipped to such an outspoken Russophobia! We have worthy and mutually beneficial relations with Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan lies a little under the Americans, but not so openly as Ukraine, Turkmenistan - it’s on its own mind ... Only Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states, but I don’t take those into account, they are not even Slavs and all my life they creeped at Western values, fell to the lowest level of political prostitution! We will leave the same to Genatsvale aside, but Ukraine, a Slavic and Orthodox country, has, among other things, also reached frenzied national-fascism!

                      Лозунг "Украина - це Европа", "Украина пане усе", "Мос...ляку на гиляку", факельные шествия в центре Киева и бендеровский кличь "Слава Украине", гражданская война против своего народа, сожженная Одесса... - есть красноречивые показатели сегодняшнего положения дел на Украине, и то что действительно происходит в умах людей, а не Ваши, прошу прощения цифры выборов!

                      Yours! hi
                      1. vladek64
                        vladek64 1 November 2015 17: 16 New
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                        Quote: Finches
                        Ukraine made its choice

                        Вы повторяете широко распространенную ошибку, считая что Украина имеет возможность что-то выбирать. Я уже неоднократно писал, что Украина не субъект международных отношений, а объект. Она не входит в число игроков - она шахматная доска на которой множество игроков играют свои игры. Просто поле боя. А украинцам выпало "счастье" жить на поле боя. Мнение тех кто живет на поле боя никого особо не интересует, потому что все настоящие игроки знают что оно ничего не стоит.
                      2. Finches
                        Finches 1 November 2015 17: 57 New
                        +8
                        Now, perhaps, yes! Ukraine is only a territory, but 23 years old, it was still the Republic of Ukraine ... Yes, I’m also in my native Kiev, how I relate to all this ... I certainly don’t tell me but by the construction of sentences and intonations, I understand that in all the modern troubles of Ukraine, they consider anyone, mainly Russia, but not themselves to blame ... So you do not surprise me at all, saying that Ukrainians do not solve anything!



                      3. cuzmin.mihail2013
                        cuzmin.mihail2013 1 November 2015 23: 04 New
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                        No need to live on the battlefield. They are fighting there! If you want to stay, choose a side and fight for it. Do not want to - run away, crawl away. But do not get in the way!
                      4. revnagan
                        revnagan 4 November 2015 10: 56 New
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                        Quote: cuzmin.mihail2013
                        No need to live on the battlefield.

                        Oh, if your words were heard by the inhabitants of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Sevastopol, Novorossiysk ...
                    2. edge
                      edge 2 November 2015 06: 59 New
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                      Quote: vladek64
                      Ukraine is not a subject of international relations, but an object. She is not among the players - she is a chessboard on which many players play their games.

                      I bet the outskirts are not a board for games, this is a loop for a hook (stuck, stuck out ....)
                    3. alekc75
                      alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 56 New
                      +3
                      and who brought up young huh? not your generation ???
                  2. Roman13
                    Roman13 1 November 2015 21: 30 New
                    +4
                    I absolutely agree with you. Ukraine can be said to betray the Slavic world and its history.
                  3. edge
                    edge 2 November 2015 07: 05 New
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                    Quote: Roman13
                    I absolutely agree with you. Ukraine can be said to betray the Slavic world and its history.

                    but how else, let’s recall the history of the Tatars, Turks, Psheks, Germans, Swedes, French, and others for centuries .... they fucked the Slavic gene pool% 30 ... hi
                  4. I am human
                    I am human 3 November 2015 20: 52 New
                    0
                    And in the other direction you have not enough mind to look?
              2. revnagan
                revnagan 4 November 2015 10: 53 New
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                Quote: Finches
                the fact remains - Ukraine made its choice. Rather, what was left in it, except for Crimea, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.

                Да если бы не оперативное вмешательство "вежливых",то и Крым и Донбасс точно также сделали бы "свой" выбор!Вспомните события перед референдумом в Крыму.Татары мгновенно организовались,вооружились,провели митинги...Ещё бы чуть-чуть,и "выбор" был бы сделан.Хорошо,что "Беркут" приехал из Киева,подоспели "зелёные человечки",и татарве показали,кто настоящий хозяин.А русское население организоваться само по себе не смогло!Вот не дай Бог татары с бандеровцами взяли бы верх,Вы бы тоже обвиняли русских в Крыму в предательстве?
            2. vit8180
              vit8180 1 November 2015 16: 22 New
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              Hello everyone!
              vladek64, хочу Вас спросить - "посмотрите сколько украинцев пришло голосовать: 40-43%" - где остальные 60-57%? "Моя хата с краю"? Или "оно мне надо"?
              "Так что вы судите об украинцах по 10% избирателей. А если вспоминать Майдан, то там скакало меньше одного процента от населения Украины." Вот именно, что мы судим по 99% населенеия украины !!!
              Лучше посмотрите на ДОНБАСС и ЛУГАНСК!!! Вот им НАДО!!! И бьются за каждую "ХАТУ с Краю"!!!
              I repeat once again: Whoever wants to is looking for an opportunity! Who does not want - the reason ......
              1. vladek64
                vladek64 1 November 2015 17: 07 New
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                Quote: vit8180
                где остальные 60-57%? "Моя хата с краю"? Или "оно мне надо"?

                Какая-то часть действительно "хата с краю", но большинство просто не смогло сделать выбор среди предлагаемых сортов дерьма.
                Вы думаете, что на этих выборах был выбор? Я вам могу сказать какой выбор был - среди националистов (вскормленных западными и "южными" русофобами) и среди бывших регионалов Януковича, которые при Януковиче с таким упоением участвовали в разграблении страны олигархами, что даже не заметили как эту страну просрали. Думаете кто-то из них вызывает симпатии у украинцев?
                Pro-Russian parties and politicians were destroyed and fled. Even pro-Russian media were closed, and Russian television channels were banned.
                My question is, why did not a single Russian channel appeal to the international court about a violation of freedom of speech? Waiting for a team from the Kremlin. And they either forgot to submit it, or vice versa - they gave the command to sit not rock the boat.

                Quote: vit8180
                Better look at DONBASS and LUGANS !!!

                Вы лучше сами посмотрите внимательно на Донбасс. Даже здесь на сайте уже публиковалась информация о том, что там происходит. России пришлось существенно увеличить корпус своих "наблюдателей", чтобы ЛДНР не скатились окончательно в махновщину и бандитизм. Сравнивая результат с количеством убитых и масштабами разрушений многие испытывают сильное разочарование. Если вы заметили, то как-то прошло у людей желание создавать народные республики. Наоборот появился мощный антироссийский аргумент - "Хочешь чтобы здесь было как на Донбассе?". Имеются ввиду и жертвы и разрушения и совершенно непонятное будущее. Те кто надеялся на помощь России уже почти перестал надеяться.
              2. Finches
                Finches 1 November 2015 18: 23 New
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                А вот Вам ,уважаемый vladek64, еще одна зарисовка - посмотрите статистические данные взятые мной с украинского сайта:http://novosti-n.org/news/read/95430.html, о динамике состояния богатейших людей Украины! Очень интересные данные на самом деле - все в дерьме и только один д'Артаньян! Тем не менее Вы не устраиваете Майдан, не кричите, как про Януковича, что он вор, а его партия Блок ПП проходит во все советы Украины......
              3. vladek64
                vladek64 1 November 2015 19: 59 New
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                Quote: Finches
                Nevertheless, you do not suit the Maidan, do not scream, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief

                Я вообще не устраивал и не устраиваю майданы и не кричу "Вор!". Потому как понимаю, что после каждого майдана становится только хуже.
                And only those who have a roof abroad can blame the authorities publicly for theft. And again: why? After a thief is publicly called a thief, what will he cry for and run away?

                А та картинка что вы показали - это типичный олигархический режим. Россия Времен Ельцина разве сильно от этого отличается? Или "семибанкирщина" уже забылась?
              4. Finches
                Finches 1 November 2015 20: 48 New
                +3
                Графикой я хотел показать только то что единственный человек кто в плюсе, это "всенародно избранный" президент Порошенко, который использует Украину как дойную корову!Ельцина никто не забыл.
                We went this way, but unlike the Ukrainians, we did not look for the roots of our problems in neighboring nations, especially in nations of the same faith! And we did not have Maidan ... There was the 93rd year and a fight between the executive and legislative powers, but not more!
                Пока большинство украинцев мыслящих, как Вы, не объединятся - у вас никогда не будет государства, где человек будет чувствовать себя более менее спокойно!Да и вообще, Вы уж меня простите, нет у украинцев в крови исторического гена государственности..."Пошлая оперетка", вспоминая Булгакова, периодически есть, а государства - нет!
              5. vladek64
                vladek64 1 November 2015 21: 22 New
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                Quote: Finches
                Вы уж меня простите, нет у украинцев в крови исторического гена государственности..."Пошлая оперетка", вспоминая Булгакова, периодически есть, а государства - нет!


                As it is not offensive to the Ukrainians, I agree with you.
                Действительно нет на этой территории "гена государственности". И все попытки сделать государство превращались в "пошлую оперетку".
                I can’t deny that it really is, and I don’t want to defend the mess that is happening in Ukraine.

                Вопрос в другом. Если Россия считает Украину своей территорией, то почему она позволяет своим западным "партнерам" разыгрывать на своей территории "пошлые оперетки"?
                Если Россия не считает Украину своей территорией, то тогда какое ей дело до местных "пошлых опереток"?

                Now the policy of Russia is incomprehensible to many Ukrainians. And as I see from the comments, it is incomprehensible to many Russians. It seems the commander in chief said that the Russians and Ukrainians are one people, and many commentators from Russia insist that this is not so. Do you support Putin? Then why do you insist that the Ukrainians are some other (flawed) people?
              6. Finches
                Finches 1 November 2015 21: 37 New
                +4
                Чаще всего это эмоции про "ущербный" народ,а вот политику нашу, действительно, лично я понять до конца не могу! Скажу про себя, возможно это Вам не очень понравится, что не ввод наших войск на территорию Украины в июне 2014 года я считаю ошибкой, которая привела к сегодняшней ситуации! Но я Верховному не указ...
                Therefore, let us wish all of us wisdom! Politicians come and go, but nations remain!
                Thank you for the dialogue! Best regards hi
              7. vladek64
                vladek64 1 November 2015 21: 49 New
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                And thank you for the dialogue and its worthy conclusion. hi
        2. edge
          edge 2 November 2015 07: 14 New
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          Quote: vladek64
          Россия Времен Ельцина разве сильно от этого отличается? Или "семибанкирщина" уже забылась?

          -adolfo-hetmans in each volost; soon it will be more fun as soon as Poland begins the process of restitution of all Galicians will be torn out.
      2. revnagan
        revnagan 4 November 2015 11: 07 New
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        Quote: Finches
        Nevertheless, you do not arrange the Maidan, do not shout, as about Yanukovych, that he is a thief, and his party, the PP bloc, goes to all the councils of Ukraine ......

        Это доказывает только одно-Майдаун был организован и проплачен из за границы.Нет финансирования-нет майдана.Вот и вся "воля народа".А с голыми ногами на шашку прыгать-дураков нет.Вон,Донбасс при всей поддержке даже не смог отогнать карателей от своих админграниц.И чего строят там-не понятно.Княжество Ахметское?Где народное самоуправление?Нет его.
    4. vit8180
      vit8180 1 November 2015 19: 47 New
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      Honestly, your nagging is completely incomprehensible! Do you also think Russia is guilty of your troubles ?!
      - "Хочешь чтобы здесь было как на Донбассе?". Имеются ввиду и жертвы и разрушения и совершенно непонятное будущее. "Господин хороший", Донецк с Луганском по-вашему получается Россия размолотила в муку! А Вам не кажется что это допустила та сама пассивная часть 99% населения вашей "хаты"? За что боролись, на то и напоролись! Распишитесь, получите! А в ДНР и ЛНР порядок наведут и "хате" по соплям надают, чтоб нос свой не совали!
    5. Victorio
      Victorio 1 November 2015 23: 09 New
      +1
      Вы лучше сами посмотрите внимательно на Донбасс. Даже здесь на сайте уже публиковалась информация о том, что там происходит. России пришлось существенно увеличить корпус своих "наблюдателей", чтобы ЛДНР не скатились окончательно в махновщину и бандитизм. Сравнивая результат с количеством убитых и масштабами разрушений многие испытывают сильное разочарование. Если вы заметили, то как-то прошло у людей желание создавать народные республики. Наоборот появился мощный антироссийский аргумент - "Хочешь чтобы здесь было как на Донбассе?". Имеются ввиду и жертвы и разрушения и совершенно непонятное будущее. Те кто надеялся на помощь России уже почти перестал надеяться.
      ====
      Donbass has already passed its own, do you think that the attempt to change will cost you less blood, the Nazis will not give up power so easily? rather, you have to adapt and adapt, imagine after all, your children and grandchildren will be taught to hate Russia
    6. edge
      edge 2 November 2015 07: 10 New
      -4
      Quote: vladek64
      Those who had hoped for help from Russia had almost ceased to hope.

      yeah, the great Führer will come and set everyone free, feed and give his wife ...., but weak by himself, like Donbass with a gun in his hands for honor and dignity.
  2. I am Russian
    I am Russian 1 November 2015 17: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: vit8180
    Hello everyone!
    vladek64, хочу Вас спросить - "посмотрите сколько украинцев пришло голосовать: 40-43%" - где остальные 60-57%? "Моя хата с краю"? Или "оно мне надо"?
    "Так что вы судите об украинцах по 10% избирателей. А если вспоминать Майдан, то там скакало меньше одного процента от населения Украины." Вот именно, что мы судим по 99% населенеия украины !!!
    Лучше посмотрите на ДОНБАСС и ЛУГАНСК!!! Вот им НАДО!!! И бьются за каждую "ХАТУ с Краю"!!!
    I repeat once again: Whoever wants to is looking for an opportunity! Who does not want - the reason ......

    Hello! hi
    You're right. Donetsk and Lugansk regions (Donets Basin-Donbass) from the Seversky Donets River, only.
  3. ars_pro
    ars_pro 1 November 2015 20: 00 New
    +3
    Greetings!
    It didn’t occur to you that a big phenomenon of the people could mean a boycott of the elections, and not only these but also the past presidential elections, which in general can be considered not legitimate, and those who haven’t come can think so, if in almost every family, each team due to the distortion of information divided themselves, because the bulk of the people before the incident was generally apolitical.
    I understand the train of thought Vladeka64
  4. Turkir
    Turkir 1 November 2015 21: 56 New
    +2
    I understand you.
    Everyone writes for some reason about 23 years. But, excuse me, nationalism in Ukraine is not 23 years old, but much more. And you have this infection in Ukraine, everyone saw it, back in the USSR, and ... they were silent. And now another, very different generation, will decide the fate of Ukraine, which I do not envy.
  5. alekc75
    alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 59 New
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    why should they fight, they can lead and kill = so it’s better for them to fight others and they will wait
  6. revnagan
    revnagan 4 November 2015 11: 00 New
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    Quote: vit8180
    где остальные 60-57%? "Моя хата с краю"? Или "оно мне надо"?

    Вы правда такой,или придуриваетесь?ВЫБИРАТЬ НЕ ИЗ КОГО!Все эти "оппозиционеры"-выходцы из провластных партий."Карманная" оппозиция,для видимости.Прийти и отдать кому-либо свой голос-значит придать выборам законность.Народ просто послал власть вместе с выборами.
  • vladek64
    vladek64 5 November 2015 11: 51 New
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    Today published official data on who went to the Dnipropetrovsk Regional Council:

    Opposition bloc (33,82%), Ukrainian Association of Patriots - Dill (18,31%), Petro Poroshenko's Solidarity Bloc (10,27%), Vidrodzhennya (7,82%), All-Ukrainian the Batkivshchyna association (6,64%), the Radical Party of Oleg Lyashko (6,06%), the Samopomich Association (5,69%).


    I recall that the turnout was 43%. And that means that less than 8% of voters voted for DEC.
  • Siberian
    Siberian 1 November 2015 17: 40 New
    +3
    I’ll try to translate: Ukrainians are not people living in Ukraine, but Ukrainized Russians, Tatars, Armenians, and many others. And now - a Siberian woman, when she lived in Vlalivostok, then for the locals she was (do not believe it!) From the West (from western Siberia), when she studied and lived in Tomsk, she was a Tomsk girl with pleasure, and so she was Russian. We here and you are considered the same, we are not used to the fact that there is such a nationality - Ukrainian, for us - it belongs to the place of residence.
  • Homo
    Homo 1 November 2015 18: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: vladek64
    Я сам живу на Украине. Ещё и в самом "осином гнезде" - Днепропетровске.
    Neither my friends nor I spat on the Heroes of the Soviet Union, but on the contrary, went out on May 9 to congratulate them. And now it’s not safe ...

    Then the question. Why are you not with the DNI and LC?
    1. vladek64
      vladek64 1 November 2015 20: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: Homo
      Why are you not with the DNI and LC?


      That is why I do not fight on the side of LDNR?

      Because I can’t understand what they’re fighting for. AGAINST what they are fighting, I understand, but I'm more interested in the creative part: WHAT are they fighting for?
      What do they want to build?
      What is a people's republic?
      Will there be oligarchs?
      Will there be banks with usurious interest?
      Как будет решаться вопрос собственности? (Опять начнут рассказывать про "эффективных частных собственников"? Так мы уже все видели как эти "эффективные" незаметно становятся олигархами)

      Well, a lot of questions that LDNR do not give answers.
      How can you fight it is not known for what?
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      2. Victorio
        Victorio 1 November 2015 23: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: vladek64
        Quote: Homo
        Why are you not with the DNI and LC?


        That is why I do not fight on the side of LDNR?

        Because I can’t understand what they’re fighting for. AGAINST what they are fighting, I understand, but I'm more interested in the creative part: WHAT are they fighting for?
        What do they want to build?
        What is a people's republic?
        Will there be oligarchs?
        Will there be banks with usurious interest?
        Как будет решаться вопрос собственности? (Опять начнут рассказывать про "эффективных частных собственников"? Так мы уже все видели как эти "эффективные" незаметно становятся олигархами)

        Well, a lot of questions that LDNR do not give answers.
        How can you fight it is not known for what?

        ===
        внизу нужно было написать итогом: "не хочу".
        clearer and more honest
        1. vladek64
          vladek64 2 November 2015 12: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Victorio
          внизу нужно было написать итогом: "не хочу".

          Well, if you understand this:
          I don’t want to fight, it’s not known why!
      3. Valentine
        Valentine 2 November 2015 03: 38 New
        +5
        And you, who lived in a well-fed and calm Dnepropetrovsk, and don’t understand us, living in the front-line Donbass, where already five-year-old kids are sorting out what mine they have blown up
        in the yard, 122 or 80, which gun fired,
        D-30 or howitzer, which according to us is hammering, MLRS, or MSTA, Hyacinth, Acacia, or Carnation, or maybe T-? 2.
        You can see Benino’s upbringing ... Do you want to know what the Donbass rose for? It's very simple, we don’t want to be burned and shot like in Odessa on May 2 and Mariupol
        9 мая 2014 года,как убивали и калечили крымчан под Корсунь-Шевченковском,когда отморозки из "ПС" закидывали их автобусы напалмом и расстреливаои помповиков 20.02.14.,только за то,что мы русские,и разговариваем на своем,родном языке.И,самое
        The main thing is that we didn’t come to you in Lviv, Ternopol or Kiev with weapons in hand, but you came to us in tanks and armored personnel carriers and started killing us. You started bombing us on June 2, 2014 with MIG-24, and not us . The people of Donbass took up arms to protect their wives and children, their old people, their homes and their land. This is his homeland, and he has the right to do so, but you don’t understand this. Why? AND
        Why did only the Donetsk region and Lugansk region rise? Why didn’t Kharkiv region rise,
        Odeshchyna, your Dnepropetrovsk region and other areas?
        Страшно? А нам было не страшно,голыми руками останавливать танки и БТРы под дулами пулеметов?...Потом были кровавые бои,гибли под вашими бомбежками женщины,старики и дети,а вы,там,за линией фронта,сытно ели и сладко спали,веселились,женились,рожали детей,а нас называли "сепарами" и "ватниками".Так вас приучил Беня Коломойский
        ,т.к.и ваши вопросы по "созидательной части"-это в бенином духе,из его репертуара.
        And with LDNR everything will be all right. After your shelling, damaged dlrogs, heating, gas pipelines are immediately repaired, holes in houses are repaired, schools and hospitals are being restored. Pensions and salaries are paid, albeit with a little delay, schools, banks and hospitals work-people living his life
        even though under fire, we’re already used to them,
        life does not stand still, and we must live on.
        1. vladek64
          vladek64 2 November 2015 12: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Valentine
          Вы хотите узнать,за что поднялся Донбасс?Да все очень просто,мы не хотим,чтобы нас жгли и расстреливали как в Одессе 2 мая и Мариуполе 9 мая 2014 года,как убивали и калечили крымчан под Корсунь-Шевченковском,когда отморозки из "ПС" закидывали их автобусы напалмом и расстреливаои помповиков 20.02.14.,


          You list that AGAINST what you are fighting. I understand it.
          I can’t understand WHAT you are fighting for. What will be a VICTORY for you?
          Well, imagine that you won. They killed the nationalists, powders and others like him drove off, no one kills you. You can begin to build a peaceful life.
          WHAT peaceful life will you build? Again with the oligarchs and bandits?
          Then in 10-20 years you will build the same thing that exists today.
          Your leadership does not really say anything about which country you are building, for what future people are dying. And the number of Akhmetov’s people in the leadership of the DPR suggests sad thoughts.

          Quote: Valentine
          You came to us in tanks and armored personnel carriers and started to kill us.

          I understand your emotions, but here you are still a little carried away - I did not come to you in tanks and did not kill anyone. No need to insult me ​​with such accusations.
          Вы на меня нападаете как на врага. Как на представителя "Правого сектора" или что-то подобное. Если вы не будете отличать друзей от врагов, то скатитесь к войне против всех. Это как раз то чего добиваются Беня и иже с ним: разделить славян и пусть они ненавидят и убивают друг друга.

          Quote: Valentine
          ваши вопросы по "созидательной части"-это в бенином духе,из его репертуара.

          Вы ошибаетесь. То что в бенином духе демонстрирует "Правый сектор", который он финансирует. Там ни о каком созидании речь вообще не идет. Там всё просто: "Слава героям! Смерть ворогам!"
          Only very naive people can talk about Ben as a creator.
        2. perm23
          perm23 2 November 2015 13: 54 New
          0
          If you allow the Nazis in your land to commit atrocities. Who are you then. Yes, not an enemy, you do not kill your wife, you just keep silent and work for the war. Think about who you are then. Worst of all are these silent people.
        3. vit8180
          vit8180 2 November 2015 14: 42 New
          -1
          vladek64, excuse me, but what do you expect from your government? Do you think she will resolve herself?
          I don’t want to fight, it’s not known why! in my opinion, you don’t want to do anything yourself !!! Are you waiting for outside help? Will abroad help you ?! Either Russia or the West - but they will certainly help ?! Do you want to stay away ?! vladek64, YOU ARE A SIMPLE PASSIVE VIEWER (PEOPLE), like all 99% of yours, your language doesn’t turn to say, s !!!
          Do you want to do well - do it yourself !!! And then you do not have to look for the guilty !!!
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        5. Valentine
          Valentine 2 November 2015 15: 36 New
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          Dear Vladek64! I answer your first question — we want to be part of Russia, and we will be there no matter how much time and our lives it would take — we are the ONE people.
          Your second question is not very simple, but ... I personally, personally, did not indicate to you exactly what
          You killed us, but after all, someone has done this and is still doing it. Now there are up to 90 thousand Ukrainian soldiers at the front, and how many rotations were, about 46 thousand killed
          up to hundreds of thousands of wounded and a lot of missing people. And in all, over
          360 тыс солдат Украины.И кого из них,и как мне прикажете называть-друзьями,братьями? Только я удивляюсь,где же Вы смогли в Днепре "отсидеться" от повальной мобилизации? И ответ на третий вопрос-по поводу этого проходимца Бени я согласен с Вами на все 100%,но ведь он же так и продолжает,из за бкгра,"строить" Днепр и
          region as he pleases, and you tell me about some kind of DNR oligarchs and their banks.
          All the best!
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  • Manul
    Manul 1 November 2015 20: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: Finches
    Your friends, Ukrainians were the first to give a damn about their Heroes of the Soviet Union, betrayed the memory of all those who died in a terrible massacre, equating them with the invaders, and elevating Nazi accomplices to the rank of national heroes! Moreover, most Ukrainians were silent for 23 years watching this!

    Гуляю в Сосновом бору с дочуркой трехлетней.Мимо проходит пара молодых людей(наверное супружеская) с ребенком 7-8 лет.Идут так понимаю на праздник (там была военная реконструкция на реке Воронка,сам не Сосновоборский, поэтому подробностей не очень знаю).И слышу то что они объясняют ребенку, а у меня не укладывается в голове, то что я слышу и поэтому я просто впал в ступор.Правда я на них пристально посмотрел и говорить они стали тише, но мне кажется я услышал именно это - "...а так называемые "фашисты" эту Воронку переходили.А всякие там ветераны, советские солдаты, " Тут уже не ручаюсь за конкретный текст - но ничего хорошего в адрес наших солдат не звучало. Я так понимаю , это наши "братья" с украины поприезжали. Если бы не гулял с дочкой, обязательно бросился бы вслед, и настойчиво попросил бы повторить.И лица бы еще сфотографировал. Но говорю - не укладывалось в голове то, что я слышал.Пока осознал, они уже учесали.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 1 November 2015 12: 52 New
    -8
    Throw poking all the time with your lists, then your Jews%, now you. Cook in your own juice, behind the wall, and in general the bazaar and the train station home for a khur.
  • Homo
    Homo 1 November 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: vladek64
    А почему вы не представляете себе другие "количества"? Например:
    "- 17.4%, или 2021 человек из 11 603, Героев Советского Союза времен Великой Отечественной войны - украинцы"
    "- 25% дважды Героев Советского Союза - родом из Украины"

    These are certainly correct figures, but they do not speak of patriotism and heroism, but of the number of people and the level of education in the USSR relative to other republics. hi
  • 222222
    222222 1 November 2015 15: 08 New
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    Zyablitsov (6) SU Today, 11: 55 ↑
    You Kipling remember .. laughing laughing

    Ре́дьярд Ки́плинг в 1894 году в "Книге джунглей" описал странное племя Бандар-логов (Bandar-log - хинди.). -
    Так Балу описывает Бандар-логов :»У них нет закона. Обезьяны — отверженные. У них нет собственного наречия; они пользуются украденными словами, которые подслушивают, когда подглядывают за нами, прячась в ветвях. У них не наши обычаи. Они живут без вожаков. У них нет памяти. Они хвастаются, болтают, уверяют, будто они великий народ, готовый совершать великие дела в джунглях, но падает орех, им делается смешно, и они все забывают. Мы, жители джунглей, не имеем с ними дела; не пьём там, где пьют обезьяны; не двигаемся по их дорогам; не охотимся там, где они охотятся; не умираем, где умирают они. Народ джунглей изгнал их из своей памяти и не берет в рот их мяса. Обезьян очень много; они злы, грязны, не имеют стыда, и если у них есть какое-нибудь определённое желание, то именно стремление, чтобы в джунглях заметили их. Но мы не обращаем н а них внимания, даже когда они бросают нам на голову грязь и орехи." Так Бандар-логи описывают себя:«Мы велики. Мы свободны. Мы изумительны. Мы самое изумительное племя во всех джунглях, — кричали они. — Ты впервые слышишь о нас и можешь передать наши слова населению джунглей, чтобы оно в будущем замечало нас, а потому мы сообщим тебе все о таких удивительных и превосходных существах, как мы». Маугли не возражал; сотни обезьян собрались на террасе, чтобы слушать своих же товарок, воспевавших хвалы Бандар-логу; когда ораторша умолкала, желая перевести дыхание, все остальные обезьяны кричали: «Это правда; мы все говорили то же самое». "Зато при виде больного волка, раненого тигра или медведя, обезьяны сходят на землю, мучат их ради забавы; в надежде обратить на себя внимание зверей они постоянно кидают в них ветки и орехи. Кроме того, они воют, выкрикивают бессмысленные песни, приглашают Народ Джунглей взобраться к ним и вступить с ними в бой; или без всякого повода затевают между собой ожесточённые драки и бросают мёртвых обезьян туда, где население зарослей может увидать эти трупы. Они все собираются избрать себе вожака, составить собственные законы, придумать собственные обычаи, но никогда не выполняют задуманного, потому что их памяти не хватает до следующего дня. В оправдание себе обезьяны сочинили поговорку: «То, о чем Бандар-лог думает теперь, джунгли подумают позже», и это сильно ободряет их."
    1. Finches
      Finches 1 November 2015 15: 23 New
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      If we discard that it was written, God knows when, then, as if from modern Ukraine, he wrote! laughing

      But to be honest, in fact, I would not want the Ukrainians to be Russians for us rejected ... There is hope that the Ukrainians themselves will understand that they are not like the Europeans, but the Kipling herd of bandarlogs!
  • Tusv
    Tusv 1 November 2015 15: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Finches
    И еще слыша южно-украинский говор вспоминаю Богомолова "В августе 44-го"

    Поправка "В августе 44-го" киноверсия. В оригинале "Момент истины" Собственно Вы это озвучили.
    A joke in 1988 Kiev lined up with a pure Moscow dialect
    1. Finches
      Finches 1 November 2015 16: 17 New
      +3
      Yes, you are absolutly right! Thank you for the amendment! hi

      And you correctly noticed that in 1988 Kiev spoke with a Moscow dialect. I was in Kiev for the last time in 1997 and I, though not in the open, but half-hints, but they already made it clear that I was an occupier, and the inscriptions of announcements and signs were exclusively on the mov!
  • Vladimir Pozlnyakov
    Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 16: 24 New
    +2
    And I thought where so many policemen, Bandera and Vlasovites divorced during the Second World War!
  • revnagan
    revnagan 4 November 2015 10: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    И еще слыша южно-украинский говор вспоминаю Богомолова "В августе 44-го" и представляю то количество бандер,

    Бандэры не говорят с южно-русским акцентом.Южно-русский акцент-это Кубань,Восточная Украина.Бандеровская "гвара" режет ухо в разговоре, украинцы с Полтавы,Сум,Харькова-ну с нашей стороны Днепра с трудом понимают галицийский суржик.Мне приходилось бывать на бандэрщине в командировках,так вот:я отлично знаю украинский язык,но тот,на котором говорят рагули понимаю с трудом.Дикая смесь польских,венгерских,мадьярских,украинских,немецких и русских слов.Это не акцент,это диалект.
  • Valentine
    Valentine 1 November 2015 12: 49 New
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    I already wrote in VO, who and what is Ukraine to us and Ukrainians friends, enemies? To understand this well, you need to sit under the bombing and shelling for a month and a half in
    Donetsk or Gorlovka, in damp, cold basements, without food and light, without water and gas. To see the bodies of children, women and old people torn into pieces, and to bury them nearby
    с домом в простой,выкопанной яме.Вы скажете,что народ не виноват? А кто же виноват,как не этот украинский народ?Кто толпами валил на этот майдан,кто кормил и поил этот майдан,кто приносил туда теплую одежду и обувь,кто туда приносил покрышки и напалм,которым жгли "Беркут"? И кто,после
    this Maidan came to us with weapons in the Donbass and began to kill us, bombing, shelling and destroying the cities and towns of civilians around the clock? And this
    made simple Ukrainian people. Now tell me
    You to me, who should I consider now Ukrainians-friends, brothers, or enemies? Love me or hate them?
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 1 November 2015 17: 50 New
      +5
      This is what blows up the brain. It seems that for the most part the people simply did not do anything, not everyone jumped ... But these are not the first races, then! How many years before this jumped, yelled? And that, too, is ordinary people. They are hammering the Donbass, and ordinary people are watching with interest, as in the movies, the disputes of politicians, journalists and so on. on the show. When lack of money presses, because this simple people gets out on the streets with protests. And here - it seems to be against, but somehow languidly ...
  • wagner72
    wagner72 1 November 2015 16: 37 New
    +5
    Послушали бы Вы,какие перлы эти "за Россию" у нас,в Крыму,выдают.Гасты из Днепра,Херсона,Запорожья нас ненавидят и называют предателями,а пинать их нельзя,закон не велит.Официально оформляются единицы,основная масса ныкается по стройкам,живут как бомжи,заработанное в основном пропивается.Из за этих деятелей расценки по работе упали ниже плинтуса,крымчанам чтобы заработать приходится уезжать на материк.Как то так.
  • alekc75
    alekc75 2 November 2015 08: 52 New
    0
    not enough of their good left-if you do not know
  • mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 1 November 2015 11: 49 New
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    You are right, to Europe. so to Europe. And then earn money here, and bark at the giving hand - there. It's not fair. Visa regime them!
    1. Valentine
      Valentine 1 November 2015 13: 08 New
      +4
      А кто их ждет в Европе? На майдане им были даны одни "обещалки-заманушки",и не более,под крики "Слава Украине" и мечтой об кружевных трусиках....Ну а когда
      civil war began when they were presented with a ticket
      на нее,в один конец,тогда то и сработал инстинкт самосохранения-"нэнька" "нэнькой",а жизнь дороже,и все,не желающие умирать за Украину,эшелоеами повалили за границу,к "агрессору",в Россию,она ведь добрая и щедрая душа,всех примет и пожалеет.Вот только пойди,проверь,как они едут,с "фигой" в кармане,или нет-вопрос открытый.
      1. vit8180
        vit8180 1 November 2015 19: 34 New
        0
        The Lord is with you .... Whoever doesn’t go anywhere with a fig .....
        Что-то мне "Таврии", "Запорожцы" с жовто-блакитными г/н ну никак на дороге не попадаются... . Изредка "гольфик", мой ровесник. Зато Лексусы, Паджеро последние, Пассаты В6 стали попадаться все чаще и чаще...
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  • Lelek
    Lelek 1 November 2015 12: 18 New
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    Quote: Finches
    I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!


    А "комрады" пусть зайдут на "цензор.нет" и почитают, как наши кровные братья ликуют по поводу разбившегося российского лайнера, тогда у них минусовка отпадёт.
  • the villain
    the villain 1 November 2015 13: 16 New
    +5
    Quote: Finches
    Now comrades will fill me with minuses and considerations of tolerance

    My opinion: tolerance is the moral AIDS of society. hi
  • Vend
    Vend 1 November 2015 11: 21 New
    12
    Quote: Observer2014
    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
    А вот это давно нужно было сделать.Если ехать то только в гости или на всегда.А с Донбасса людям упростить пребывание.Не каких здесь "зрабитков" не должно быть!

    I think done on time. Remember how many escaped the call, undermining the grave of Poproshenko? Now it is time to return the refugees to the mountain homeland, thereby increasing the number of people dissatisfied with power, unemployment, predatory tariffs and, most interestingly, people who saw Russia with their own eyes.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 1 November 2015 11: 31 New
      29
      Ну все "лафа" закончилась.... bully
      1. I am Russian
        I am Russian 1 November 2015 12: 04 New
        +3
        Thank God we are Cossacks !!! Not...
        Meehan, take it easy with that. They are not Ukrainians, but Cossacks.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 1 November 2015 12: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: I-Russian
          Thank God we are Cossacks !!! Not...
          Meehan, take it easy with that. They are not Ukrainians, but Cossacks.

          Прошу прощения...Просто под казаков-запорожцев и т.д. многие "косят" ..Я Казачество все же уважаю и считаю, что движение на границах должно возродиться со всеми атрибута и ответственностью! hi We chopped them into a lot of civilian and yet .. hi
          1. I am Russian
            I am Russian 1 November 2015 12: 38 New
            +2
            Himself sometimes brings hi
          2. northern
            northern 1 November 2015 14: 50 New
            +1
            Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.
            Вся грудь в медалях - за "своевременный опохмел" всех четырех степеней
            1. I am Russian
              I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 22 New
              -3
              Quote: north
              Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.
              Вся грудь в медалях - за "своевременный опохмел" всех четырех степеней


              Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov rule (endless wars). And continued during the civil war and the Second World War. And finished off in 1960, when the corpses of Cossacks sailed along the Don River.
              "Казак не соблюдающий традиции-больше не казак."
              1. Tusv
                Tusv 1 November 2015 15: 38 New
                +5
                Quote: I-Russian
                Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov reign

                It is interesting what the valiant chieftain Platov will say. Or Other Cossacks, who dress the order as a parade and in battle. It is not necessary to equate our Cossacks with Mazepa.
                Heaven and earth
              2. your1970
                your1970 1 November 2015 20: 57 New
                +4
                Cossacks ??? specially ??? exterminated ????? !!!!!! Romanovs ??? !!!!
                In 1914, the entire Cossacks of the Russian Empire from 2 with more than millions of people were obliged to put out for war - 50 000 people in total ....
                The most militarized population of the empire set -2,5% !!!!! abundance ..

                And at the same time - where they sailed in 1960 according to Don corpses ??? !!!!
                Civil - I agree, 20-30 - completely agree, after the war, it was definitely the case: Cossacks fought on the side of HitlerJudged and to whom it was destined - shot!
                Enlighten in 1960 for what and by what articles were they allowed to swim (in fact, in the USSR, after the Civil War, they didn’t drown in the rivers, but shot them)?
                Answer, it’s very interesting, why did Khrushchev drown people?

                And about the Romanovs, His own Imperial Majesty the convoy (Cossack !!!) on the third day of the February revolution swore allegiance to the Provisional Government.
                He was the godfather to all the children of the Cossacks of the Convoy ...
                1. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 1 November 2015 21: 43 New
                  -1
                  Of course the 1930s. Pup. hi Thank you, I didn’t notice.

                  The total number of Cossacks in 1917 amounted to at least 4.4 million people (according to some sources, 6 7 million). At the same time, there were slightly more than 300 thousand Cossacks in the ranks. The total population of the Russian Empire on the eve of the revolution was estimated at 166 million people, and the Imperial Army - at 10 12 million people. Of the total number of Cossacks, the Don army totaled more than 2,5 million Cossacks, the Kuban army - 1,4 million, the Tersk army - 250 thousand. The total number of the Amur, Ussuri, Siberian and Trans-Baikal Cossack troops was a little less than 1 million. The Ural Cossacks totaled more than 150 thousand people, of whom there was not a trace left after the Civil War, which makes the fate of this army unique even by the standards of revolutionary Russia.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 1 November 2015 22: 00 New
                    0
                    Was Semirechye the smallest?
                2. edge
                  edge 2 November 2015 07: 37 New
                  0
                  what
                  Quote: your1970
                  And at the same time - where did the corpses float in Don in 1960 ??? !!!!

                  he’s probably about Novocherkassk bent .......
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 2 November 2015 19: 44 New
                    0
                    he got better, typo-1930, see above
                3. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 2 November 2015 23: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  Cossacks ??? specially ??? exterminated ????? !!!!!! Romanovs ??? !!!!


                  Ukrainians have always tried to denigrate or rewrite history /
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 48 New
                0
                Quote: I-Russian
                Cossacks were specifically exterminated throughout the Romanov reign

                Well, for the sake of truth, the Cossacks themselves behaved like a grishka of Melikhs during all this time from 1612 to 1917
            2. edge
              edge 2 November 2015 07: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: north
              Full of these mummers everywhere, got it already.

              not focused on them, on their children ..... They will stand for Russia.
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 1 November 2015 11: 33 New
      +2
      Полностью согласен! А ещё вернуть туда трусов, скакавших и хотевших в "тёплом" местечке (пусть и вражеском тылу, как они кровно умели, бандеровцы, б...!) отсидеться!
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 1 November 2015 11: 33 New
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    У нас на Красной Поляне деятели припёрли "заробитчан" с центральной и западной украины.Так мужики рассказывают как нажрутся так своё "гэроям сала"орут ,да трезубцы на деревьях вырезают.Свиньи короче говоря.Не все конечно, но нужно фильтровать этих гадов как то.Не давно знакомый в Хосте возле стройки машину увидел с укрономерами .Подошёл спросил как дела в ДНР и ЛНР,так они его матом ещё и чуть не напали.Короче говоря за мразоту эту пора ,ох как пора браться .Я уже печатал не однократно что для въезжающих с Украины фильтрационные лагеря на границе ставить нужно.И людям удобней было бы которые на ПМЖ в Россию выехать хотят.Месяц там провели ,за это время полная проверка и готовые документы в руки.И людям удобно и нам спокойно.Скажете как отличить кто там кто.Да запросто .В УФМС инспекторов из Крыма или из бывших русских граждан Украины возьмите!Кто ,кто а я их как говорил один известный персонаж "сердцем чую"
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 November 2015 11: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Observer2014
      кто а я их как говорил один известный персонаж "сердцем чую"


      Now do you understand everything that I have said before? laughing
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 November 2015 17: 24 New
        +4
        Only came from the forest. Oyster mushroom dialed. Alexander good evening! Of course I understand!
        1. family tree
          family tree 1 November 2015 17: 31 New
          +4
          Quote: Observer2014
          Oyster mushroom typed.

          Eva, there are still mushrooms. We have if only cranberries from under the snow, although next week, weather warlocks up to plus 4 promised, maybe it will thaw, then, for myself, it’s what
          А с нашим, архангельским, по их делам, "беженским", целая эпопея, уволили мужика нетолерантного, потом, вроде, снова восстановили, а то, выдайте, да положьте, на блюдечке,а работать не хотим. К зиме попритихли, взмерзли видимо... what
          1. Observer2014
            Observer2014 1 November 2015 17: 41 New
            +3
            We still in Sochi, real mushrooms only started about two weeks ago. By the way, for the history, honey mushrooms were last collected on December 18, and I start that year with white spring before the May holidays in Krasnaya Polyana. Paradox of subtropics and mountains.
            1. family tree
              family tree 1 November 2015 17: 59 New
              +2
              Quote: Observer2014
              We still in Sochi real mushrooms only as two weeks as they began

              Ну, примерно с середины июня до середины сентября, так по августу-сентябрю, грузди в основном, только успевай. Потом заморозки, ночью минус, днём плюс. Бывает, что и в мае лезть начинают, но так, побаловаться. В общем, грибы, месяца полтора, как закончились, одна клюква под снег ушла, ту ничего не берёт, в декабре, по кочке пнёшь, с горсть "леденцов" насобираешь, во рту отогреешь, надкусишь, сок, такая кисло-вкусность, не рассказать даже request
              1. Observer2014
                Observer2014 1 November 2015 18: 17 New
                +3
                Once a smart person said: The more I get to know people, the more I love dogs. Marie de Rabuten-Chantal de Sevigne
                So we are. Sometimes after this abomination, I just want to talk about mushrooms.
                Regards Observer 2014
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 1 November 2015 18: 49 New
                  +3
                  Quote: perepilka
                  family tree

                  Quote: Observer2014
                  Observer2014



                  listen to foodies. finish .. I saliva has all gone .. laughing

                  Volodya hi .. Sergey hi
                  1. Observer2014
                    Observer2014 1 November 2015 19: 21 New
                    +2
                    Александр, может руководство сайта новую рубрику сделает?!Что бы, так просто на отвлечённые темы!А то порой" градус зашкаливает" И назовёт её "разное"например?!
                    Although of course a serious site, it requires a serious relationship. Although ??? !!!
                    Люди в ВО в соц .сетях как правило не числятся.А "отдушина" должна быть.
                    1. vorobey
                      vorobey 1 November 2015 19: 39 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Observer2014
                      Although of course a serious site, it requires a serious relationship. Although ??? !!!


                      Seryozha mustache is provided - at the top where the windows are the main news of the radio .. there is a forum window .. go to the VO forum and there ... and hobbies and humo and talk and rumors ... though it is not as active as the site itself ..
                    2. Observer2014
                      Observer2014 1 November 2015 19: 47 New
                      +3
                      And what didn’t you say before haha ​​!!! He didn’t notice the elephant!
                2. family tree
                  family tree 1 November 2015 23: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vorobey
                  listen to foodies. finish .. I saliva has all gone .. laughing

                  Do not envy, you have your own tastes recourse
                  Hello, fuel oil, call for late, drove the sidekick to fix the wiring, the fourth switch came up with, like, so that in the summer, on white nights, what for light to illuminate laughing , на улице. Но предбанничек 3 на 3 шикарный, да и банька, 3 на 4, печка из "крокодила" УЖДшного, в полкирпича, бак на горячую вварен, каменка изолирована, камешки по уксуной подобраны, полчаса, и пара веников с двух рук, в третиий нос уткнул и дышишь, этим духмяно-берёзовым, потом тазик холодянки, выскочишь, кваску, обратно, рогожной мочалкой, кожу старую соскркебёшь, до новой, сполоснёшся, и опять на полок, под веник, чуть ли не до потери сознания, а то спрыгнешь, и сам парить начнёшь, тут уж пот градом, и до 250 ударов в минуту доходит в запале, в предбанничек, и такая тишина и благодать, хоть и колотится еще, но вспоминаешь, как бежал, с полной, молодой и красивый, и колотилось покруче, и кого то из тех, нет уже, а ты belay it’s like he’s alive, and a medical board, every year, to the climbers, at 53 years old, from half a kick, and you are in no hurry anywhere ... but classmates and those who are nearby, less and less, sappers, why, consciously made a mistake, with the choice of profession, only here myocardial infarctions and strokes, it seems, have nothing to do with the subversive, and the fact that the men have survived has nothing to do with heart attacks and strokes, yes. Well, not everyone has been taught vivores since childhood belay And mine bags should be arranged, then it’s necessary to remove the ones that haven’t worked, and then there is dirt, blood, shit and disadvantages that control yourself so that they don’t suffer, and you are shaking, it’s from the sight of this, but you have to work, otherwise they’re you at last gasp, it happened.
                  I do not like this work, I’d better build something, the same bridge, over the river, with ice cutters, albeit wooden, but higher than the low-water one, for the army, and let it be six years old, without repair. Something like this, Sanya, I do not like that job.
                  1. family tree
                    family tree 2 November 2015 00: 10 New
                    +1
                    And on the forum, as an administrator, collect for the New Year, two months to the deadline, in a personal note, a topic, we’ll catch up by the hour, otherwise Roman and Smirnov will draw a warning message again. Temko, and whom to collect, you will realize, a shovel to help drinks We calm ourselves, alcoholizing and having fun, purely in a masculine campaign, without girls and blackjack, well, Zhonki, are welcome, I'm even what Well, what is the rule without exception, cho belay drinks
  • northern
    northern 2 November 2015 19: 36 New
    0
    Somewhere they wrote about the character that in Russia he hires some zapadentsev, so they voluntarily-forcibly send a share from him earned to restore New Russia
  • Civil
    Civil 1 November 2015 11: 35 New
    -20
    Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!
    1. Finches
      Finches 1 November 2015 11: 39 New
      +8
      Yes, Tajiks are better than such Europeans!
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 1 November 2015 13: 31 New
        +1
        and not Tajiks, did they cut out Russians in the early 90s? Huh? .. And now give them an indulgence and put on an imam will also start to do! Only here we have it!
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 1 November 2015 18: 01 New
          +9
          Таджики таджикам - рознь. Те, что вырезали - таджики, с территории Афганистана (тогдашний аналог современного украинца), они просто жителей Таджикистана истребляли, без национальности. И наши таджики (советские), которые служили в нашей армии, как сейчас украинцы недоумевали, за что свои должны убивать своих? К нам бежали женщины с детьми (просто садились в любой самолет, который улетает - хоть куда, в любой город) от этой непонятной им резни, таможенный контроль проходили в ночнушках и домашних тапочках (сибирской зимой), дети - в трикотанах за 4 руб. 120 коп., без сумок и чемоданов. Просто мы уже все были самостоятельными странами и что у них происходит, нас уже не интересовало. Получилось, что с развалом союза, мы их прокинули первыми. Они попали под удар сос стороны Афгана. Мы им тоже, по-началу, говорили: вы что, жить чтоли без нас не можете? Наших выгнали, отделились, стройте там себе свое государство. Чего вслед за русскими претесь? Живите себе сами как хотите. Они очень удивлялись и говорили, что не отделялись. "Вы нас сами выкинули". Вот так. Нашим СМИ было не до Таджикистана в 90-е.
      2. I am human
        I am human 3 November 2015 20: 54 New
        0
        You did not understand? Or how?
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 November 2015 12: 18 New
      17
      Quote: Civil
      Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

      You know yesterday on the networks no one except these scum and our liberals was happy about the deaths of people on the plane, not all seeding, of course, a lot of condolences came from there, but go to the censor there is still a holiday, and condolences are still coming from Central Asia and not one word of disgust as from such Caucasians.
    3. combat66
      combat66 1 November 2015 14: 58 New
      +7
      But what does Central Asia skip, or call for depriving Russia of the right to vote at the UN, or it demands that the tribunals be appointed, and sends loans to the farm ?!
      It is imperative to tighten the nuts for the gifted!
    4. family tree
      family tree 1 November 2015 23: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Civil
      Well, why? Are they not people? Central Asia all lives here!

      Живёт, чо, сначала говорили, что мол "русский зима-козёл, а дети их, вполне, особенно от смешаных, ну, врач, ну армянка, ну Алекназ Ахеджаковна, ну Алюшка же, наша любимая, Витьки, который сынку моего гонял по физкультуре, в школе, не взирая до крайнего пота, жонка, которая лечит, не взирая на рекомендации Минздрава и лицензии, за которых в огонь и в воду, по выздоровлении, потом, правда, выволочка, за несвоевременное представление о своём суперменстве, да и не стоило оно, но, с кучей уколов в задницу и по венам repeat Ches a word, I won’t!
      And I won’t be less, if necessary, cho, that ugly, a hunchbacked grave, if cho belay
  • Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 1 November 2015 11: 57 New
    16
    The FMS sent Moldovan migrant workers a year ago to their homeland. Now they are shaking pro-European power like a pear! Who knows, will not something similar happen in Kiev, after the migrant workers who have returned to their homeland have been poking around for several months at home without work?
  • Tor5
    Tor5 1 November 2015 14: 06 New
    +3
    But could not it be canceled at all? Well, what do they do with us, especially Bandera from the West?
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  • forest park 86
    forest park 86 1 November 2015 15: 40 New
    +3
    90 days and then a lot - 2 weeks is enough
  • edge
    edge 2 November 2015 06: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Observer2014
    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled

    Well, that’s what happened, another freak has pinned to freeloaders
  • complete zero
    complete zero 2 November 2015 08: 34 New
    0
    вы на себя (не дай бог) попробуйте примерить вот это самое "зрабитков" не должно быть?...вся наша нефтянка (по себе знаю) вот на этих самых хохлах и бульбашах...вас то Москвичей и тп га Севера Тюменской области не заманишь...легко судить людей не побывав в их шкуре
  • same
    same 2 November 2015 10: 05 New
    0
    And Donbass Russian citizenship.
  • Kunar
    Kunar 2 November 2015 14: 01 New
    0
    In this situation, all 404 will move to Donetsk
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 1 November 2015 11: 18 New
    30
    I don’t understand what kind of refugees, and even with a preferential regime, they can be from Galicia, Lviv, Poltava, etc., in short, from the territory of dill. Refugees had to be accepted ONLY from the territory of New Russia.
    1. Gani
      Gani 1 November 2015 11: 26 New
      +5
      прямо же говорили, что льготный режим для украинцев это "помощь" для ВСУ с мобилизацией.
    2. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 1 November 2015 12: 59 New
      +6
      Some are fleeing from repression. I know quite a lot of pro-Russian publicists from Kharkov and the central B / y who had to do legs from Bezpeka. They have the same SS freedom SSlov.
      А так - гастеров и "экономических беженцев" вместе с косарями от могилизации подавляющее большинство.
      On the other hand, no one will deport legal labor migrants. On the third - Gaster returned to his U-homeland, no work, got used to the Russian z / p, around a complete * opa ... Unobtrusive production of agents of influence.
  • venaya
    venaya 1 November 2015 11: 18 New
    -11
    Preferential treatment

    Well, someone has to deal with the disgrace that is happening with the neighbors? The ostrich policy of individual citizens is simply amazed by its simply arrogance. I consider the decision forced.
  • mag nit
    mag nit 1 November 2015 11: 22 New
    +7
    Tufted citizens - forward to the EU.
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 1 November 2015 11: 24 New
    +9
    Absolutely correct, albeit somewhat belated, decision. Refugees from Donbass and citizens of a hostile state are two big differences.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 1 November 2015 11: 27 New
    +6
    весь этот "льготный" режим фигня и идиотизм, беженцы регистрируйтесь как беженцы, гастрики то же самое
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  • HAM
    HAM 1 November 2015 11: 32 New
    11
    "ЛЬГОТНЫЙ" период должен быть отменён в газовой,финансовой,энергетической,транспо
    модератор"прибил"половину фразы,которая не содержит ничего неуставного!!!
    1. sniper
      sniper 1 November 2015 13: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: HAM
      модератор"прибил"половину фразы,которая не содержит ничего неуставного!!!

      When the moderator corrects the post, he leaves his signature, this is the law ... You either have technical problems or your comments did not like the AUTOCENCOR. Well, medicine is powerless here ... Nobody knows what is going on in his electronic head. But without this pribabaha not a single large resource can do. Somehow I remember, he replaced the cry of joy Eh-gee y on non-traditional faceWell what to do with this ??? They laughed ... wassat
      1. HAM
        HAM 1 November 2015 14: 14 New
        +2
        lol он(м--р) разорвал слово"транс порт ной"и укоротил фразу:а то выходит,что "агрессор" кормит жертву"!!Чтоб не сдохла раньше времени..
        1. sniper
          sniper 1 November 2015 14: 52 New
          +3
          Quote: HAM
          он(м--р) разорвал слово"транс порт ной"и укоротил фразу:

          Sometimes an extra space or letter replacement helps ... I understand that this will not decorate the post, but the person will understand, but the program will not ... wink
      2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
        Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 17: 02 New
        +3
        Хороший смех! Недавно отлучили на две недели за нарушения! А на днях совсем умный модератор с подписью предупредил за цитирование министра Лаврова на брифинге в адрес польского журналиста: "Дебилы, б.......!" Причем всё, как положено, написано с точками, но вместо последней точки мягкий знак! Так что электронная голова часто не при чём!
        1. sniper
          sniper 1 November 2015 17: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Vladimir Pozlnyakov
          Recently excommunicated for two weeks for violations!

          It happens, of course ... You need to be more careful about observing the rules. But you must admit that without moderation of posts the site would turn into a garbage dump. So treat this as a necessary evil. The rules they must be respected by all and your humble servant is no exception ... wassat Well, the work of the autocensor can be seen right away, he changes the post at the time of publication ... Well, something like that ...
  • 31rus
    31rus 1 November 2015 11: 32 New
    +5
    Смотря ,кого считать беженцем,я уже писал,про "беженцев",получающих пособие в России и не плохо живущим на Украине,причем сами они это не скрывают и успешно "наживаются"и в России и на своих согражданах
  • GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 1 November 2015 11: 33 New
    +1
    Thank God! How much can you endure their reviews of us, and think that they will change their minds.
    The total number of Ukrainians in Russia is 2,6 million.
    As the Kotsap pulls, the whole Ukrainian metropolis. If only these are not former Soviet citizens and wanting to stay with Russia, they feel sorry for them.
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 1 November 2015 11: 34 New
    +5
    ... However, other interesting figures and facts were announced at the round table:

    Of the 2,6 million temporarily staying citizens of Ukraine of all categories - 404 thousand people applied for the refugee status in the FMS, 265 thousand people applied for a temporary residence permit. The remaining mass of displaced persons does not have any long-term status, using either the practice of the FMS patent (see below) or staying on the temporary status of a grace period of 90 days, which is subject to cancellation from November 1, 2015;
    The FMS in every possible way impedes obtaining the status of RVP (temporary residence permit) and refugee status, in every possible way pedaling the issue of refugees buying a patent for work. As a result, as an example, in the territory of Moscow for the current year (August 2014 - August 2015), which accounted for the main shaft of refugees, less than 1000 RVPs for all of Moscow (for all CIS countries) and more than 400 official patents (again, the same for all CIS countries);
    .
    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
    1. Comrade Bender
      Comrade Bender 1 November 2015 11: 48 New
      +4
      Do you think that all refugees should be accommodated in Moscow? And besides Moscow, they have nowhere else to live and work?
      1. pentarhist
        pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 32 New
        +1
        The article is not about that. Even if they don’t even place it in Moscow.
        1. Comrade Bender
          Comrade Bender 1 November 2015 13: 06 New
          +2
          And I, about your example with Moscow.
          1. pentarhist
            pentarhist 1 November 2015 14: 39 New
            -1
            Well, look, 1000 RVPs for the whole of Moscow. While there are more than 1 million refugees from Donbass alone.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 08 New
              0
              so maybe they from Donbass to Kuzbass are better and not to Maaskwa ?!
      2. Vladimir Pozlnyakov
        Vladimir Pozlnyakov 1 November 2015 17: 07 New
        0
        Well, this is reminiscent of the situation with the EAO, where there are fewer Jews in Birobidzhan than in Berdichev!
    2. I am Russian
      I am Russian 1 November 2015 12: 11 New
      +4
      People from New Russia extend the migration card at the FMS points for 90 days, or as decided by the FMS. What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!
      You can’t even imagine how it is ... to exist somewhere ... for years not to see the house .... sad
      1. pentarhist
        pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 31 New
        +1
        = Why are you surprised, residents WANT TO RETURN HOME =

        Wishing to return to devastation and shelling, without forcing it, it’s understandable, a little
        1. I am Russian
          I am Russian 1 November 2015 13: 01 New
          +7
          Quote: pentarhist
          = Why are you surprised, residents WANT TO RETURN HOME =

          Wishing to return to devastation and shelling, without forcing it, it’s understandable, a little


          Не поверите. Но самое страшное-жить на оккупированной бандерлогам.и территории. Постоянные обыски, кражи людей и имущества, изнасилования женщин. За номер рос. оператора могут убить, если вдруг узнают, что был в "оккупированном" Крыму-забирают, увозят в неизвестном направлении.
          So not only shelling.
          1. pentarhist
            pentarhist 1 November 2015 14: 37 New
            -2
            Вообще-то в ОРДИЛОС, после того, как там ставленники Кремля стали руководить, дело тоже плохо. Убийства людей( прежде всего патриотов Новороссии), к примеру. Критика политики партии( "Минск") запрещена.

            Here's an interesting livejournal of one of the locals-

            http://ugovostok-ua.livejournal.com/?skip=10
            1. I am Russian
              I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 17 New
              +1
              I know, but wait. Who is doing this ?? Whose orders are followed ??
              1. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 2 November 2015 23: 21 New
                0
                Quote: I-Russian
                I know, but wait. Who is doing this ?? Whose orders are followed ??


                Ukrainians need to show where to go
          2. orphan 63
            orphan 63 1 November 2015 14: 50 New
            0
            . What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!


            And who should drive them out ?? !! Maybe you should not wait for this joyful event, continuing to sit for almost two years with families on the neck of the Russian budget in Russia?
            No one should do this for Ukrainians, they do not want and will not do it !!!
            And Ukrainians do not need to gather an exiled government in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens, and go clean up their own homes.
            Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

            So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you
            1. I am Russian
              I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: Orphan 63
              . What are you surprised at, the residents WANT TO GO BACK, they are waiting for the banderlogo to be kicked out !!!!!!!!


              And who should drive them out ?? !! Maybe you should not wait for this joyful event, continuing to sit for almost two years with families on the neck of the Russian budget in Russia?
              No one should do this for Ukrainians, they do not want and will not do it !!!
              And Ukrainians do not need to gather an exiled government in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens, and go clean up their own homes.
              Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

              So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you


              Wait, and CRIMEA ???
              Далее, не говорите "линией партии", свое мнение есть??
              Families, will you feed? No.
              To help?? Loudly said. Rather, as much as possible slow down the liberation of New Russia !!!
              You with you? You consciously support the plans of blatant Saxons in the Rus section on yours and not yours.
              At the expense of the government in exile - this is only to avert your eyes.
              And the last, do not insult the Russians by calling them Okraintsy.
            2. I am Russian
              I am Russian 1 November 2015 15: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: Orphan 63
              Help - yes, but instead of you fulfilling your holy duty to protect your home and your families - no !!! hi

              So Putin / Shoigu will not come, and instead of you, you will not restore order for you


              Do you know how many Russian citizens are trying to cross the border in order to join the Nazi volunteer battalions ??? And how are Russian border guards detaining them at the border ??
              1. orphan 63
                orphan 63 1 November 2015 16: 23 New
                +1

                To help?? Loudly said.

                The Investigative Committee held a meeting on countering violations of the rights of civilians in southeastern Ukraine. According to its results, a detailed report was published on the agency’s website. In particular, investigators calculated how much Russia spent from the budget to accommodate refugees from Ukraine.
                "В соответствии с полученными из субъектов Российской Федерации данными о затратах, произведенных в связи с размещением украинских беженцев, Российской Федерации причинен ущерб на сумму более 4 миллиардов рублей", - The report says the head of the TFR Alexander Bastrykin.
                According to the FMS, the document says that more than one million Russian-speaking residents of the Lugansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine were forced to leave their places of permanent residence, and more than 110 thousand people with refugee status applied for Russian citizenship.
                1. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 1 November 2015 17: 24 New
                  +1
                  Throw your numbers. Human life is priceless.
                  4 billion damage ?? I'm sorry that not everyone died. The real help is the liberation and creation of New Russia, by any means.
              2. I am a Russian
                I am a Russian 2 November 2015 23: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: I-Russian
                Do you know how many citizens of Russia


                I know a citizen of Ukraine who is ready to send their women to the panel for money.
            3. revnagan
              revnagan 4 November 2015 11: 25 New
              0
              Quote: Orphan 63
              And Ukrainians do not need to assemble a government in exile in Moscow, but form an army of liberation from their fellow citizens,

              Where do you propose to start? In Dnepropetrovsk? Kiev? And the Donbass in this respect doesn’t moo or calve.
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: pentarhist
      FMS in every possible way prevents obtaining status of RVP

      but why are they all moving to Moscow? Forgive me, they’re not refugees anymore, Moscow is unlikely to go to the refugees
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 1 November 2015 11: 36 New
    16
    Love for Russia wakes up in the citizen of Ukraine with the receipt of the agenda for the military commissar ....
  • 35lisment35
    35lisment35 1 November 2015 11: 39 New
    +1
    Apparently, our leadership believes that the war in the Donbass is over
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 November 2015 11: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: 35lisment35
      Apparently, our leadership believes that the war in the Donbass is over


      there is no gracious sovereign ... when it was necessary to destroy the Ukrainian army without firing a shot - they introduced preferential order and the people began to hide from the ATO ... and now they simply simply send all this mass back to feel the difference, so to speak ... stand .. there is soup and cookies for free ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 1 November 2015 11: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: vorobey
        .. there is soup and cookies for free ...

        Not Sanya, the free cookies and soup ended. Yes, and why maidan those who did not make good money here, they will look around the empty garden and again in Russia
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 November 2015 12: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          .Yes and why maidan to those who did not make bad money here, they will look around the empty garden and again in Russia


          and here Sanya, I think it will be the next step ... quietly advertised ... can return again only after three months .... just winter ...
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 1 November 2015 11: 40 New
    +8
    Давно пора. Надо всех хохлов из России погнать на "неньку"- пусть там у себя порядок наводят или пусть уматывают на свою любимую "европейщину" за кружевными трусиками. А то "наскакали" в своей стране себе на шею "варягов" с "фашиками", а потом к "поганым ватникам" за жратвой прибежали. Пусть едут обратно к себе-пусть их "правительство" их там и устраивает на работу-нам тоже нужны рабочие места из -за того кризиса и санкций, который эти к.о.з.л.ы своим майданом "наскакали". А то хорошо устроились-у нас работают, жрут и "серут" в соц-сетях нам же наголову, мечтают о возрождении "неньки" в рамках "евросоюза". Пусть едут к себе и устраивают это "вхождение".
    1. retardu
      retardu 1 November 2015 12: 28 New
      -4
      The same can be said about Russians living in decaying countries (USA and Europe) who actively broadcast in social networks that Russia is so good, but find 10000 reasons not to return there
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 1 November 2015 12: 59 New
        +1
        "Чувак-ты гонишь", "россияне" которые живут на границей-уже не "россияне" если у них нет соответствующего гражданства-это во-первых, во-вторых: те эмигрантишки из СССР и России в разных странах с которыми я разговаривал-всегда нелестно отзываются о России так, как им надо же как-то оправдать свою эмиграцию... Что в сетях "вещают"...так там тоже ничего хорошего эмигрантишки про Россию не говорят, разве, что про Крым некоторые положительно отзывались...
      2. Mic1969
        Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 46 New
        +1
        And what did you want to say? What do you need from the FRG under the back of your knee, or what? Usually, Russians living outside the hillock do not particularly praise the fatherland.
        1. retardu
          retardu 1 November 2015 19: 49 New
          -1
          Yes, not only in Germany, but all those who live in another country without being born in it and want it.
          This can be said about Ukrainians in Russia (who wants it, but lives there)
          Monster, apparently you watched the news a little ago. How many Russians in the same Germany blamed Germany and everyone told how good it was in their homeland. The same thing in the Baltic states, the Russian part of the population constantly aching as it is, but at the same time it sits in the Baltic states.
          Or clowns like Kobzon, treated in the EU, but says that their medicine is worse than in Russia
  • Buran
    Buran 1 November 2015 11: 45 New
    +2
    Maybe now they will start to fight unemployment with salaries, not gastritis. After technical schools and colleges, the kids are sitting without work, and the hay-salozhop rubles are knocked down.
  • provincial
    provincial 1 November 2015 11: 45 New
    +2
    Пора" братьям" домой,погостили и хватит.Европа заждалась.А так хорошая новость.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 November 2015 11: 46 New
    +6
    Пора на Родину "братья" уж извините..(женщин детей можете оставить..) А остальные на Киев ! (2.6 млн..) Это Армия и не одна....!Терпение и деньги у России заканчиваются ( в Сирии братья бьются на смерть..)Да, не хочется понимаем , но и нас поймите! hi
  • Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 1 November 2015 11: 49 New
    +5
    Правильно сделали - Донбасс это святое .Остальных братьев славян вернуть на родину ,особенно "западенцев " - пусть на месте разгребают ,что с их молчаливого согласия сделали или в Европу едут .Тех же жителей Харькова ,Сумм,Запорожья,Херсона,Николаева - жалко ,но какого лешего они позволяют кучке дегенератов такое творить у себя дома.
    I can imagine how many people in the territory of historical New Russia who have weapons in their hands and know how to use them are former military and police officers (who are not frostbitten), private security companies, bandits, just hunters .......
    1. pentarhist
      pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 08 New
      0
      ... out of 2,6 million temporarily staying citizens of Ukraine of all categories - 404 thousand people applied to the FMS for refugee status, 265 thousand people applied for a temporary residence permit. The remaining mass of displaced persons does not have any long-term status, using either the practice of the FMS patent (see below) or staying on the temporary status of a grace period of 90 days, which is subject to cancellation from November 1, 2015;
      The FMS in every possible way impedes obtaining the status of RVP (temporary residence permit) and refugee status, in every possible way pedaling the issue of refugees buying a patent for work ...

      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 1 November 2015 11: 54 New
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    ... Even the official registration procedures require a refugee a lump sum from 5 to 000 rubles (depending on the region) in order to collect all the certificates and go through all the procedures for submitting a package of documents to the FMS. In the case of quick processing of documents through the "shops" the amount is easily doubled;
    Only official payments on the patent system in Moscow amounted to about 7 billion rubles for the current year - refugees in fact fill the budget of Moscow no worse than the “native Muscovites”;
    The "program of native speakers of the Russian language" and the "program of resettlement of compatriots" practically do not work. Registration for the Russian language exam in the already mentioned Moscow is already being conducted in mid-2017, and the total number of compatriots who have used the resettlement program amounted to only 60 people for the current year. In addition, the provisions of these programs imply an “advance” withdrawal from Ukrainian citizenship, which contradicts international conventions on preventing the creation of categories of stateless persons - in the event of failure of this program in the future, the citizen who submitted the documents “hangs in the air” between Russia and Ukraine;
    .
    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
    1. Cthulhu
      Cthulhu 2 November 2015 10: 35 New
      +2
      Firstly. For providing temporary asylum, no state duty. Moreover, the state pays assistance in the amount of 100 rubles / day - for each family member. For granting refugee status, no state duty. For obtaining Russian citizenship under simplification, the state duty is - 2000 rubles. Federal Law and administrative regulations of the Federal Migration Service, help you!
      Secondly. The patent system (with payments of 7 billion rubles) has nothing to do with refugees. This is the cutest migrant worker.
      Lie, but know the measure! My minus.
      1. pentarhist
        pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 04 New
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        You are almost completely off topic. Finally read the article
      2. pentarhist
        pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 08 New
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        A selection of comments on the article:
        Round table on the problem of Ukrainian refugees.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html

        = not true, quite the opposite. In fact, the problem rests on quotas for RVP, but many categories of Ukrainian citizens just go besides quotas. =
        Outside of quotas go close relatives or husband-wife (one Satan). Even the grandmother to the grandson needs to be issued in the general order of obtaining RVP. As part of the quota. And by the way, what, quotas - this is not a policy including the FMS?
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=824553#t824553

        There is nothing "ready-made". The Russian state provides assistance either under the program of centralized placement of refugees (about 150 people passed there), or under the program of resettlement of compatriots (about 000 people went there). Nobody eats your porridge, calm down.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821737#t821737

        2,6 million arrived. Of these, 1 million came from a war zone. In which Russia acted as the guarantor of peace (about the participation of Russia in the war in the Donbass - outside of this blog).
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=834537#t834537

        "Official" refugees - 404 thousand people.
        These are those who were able to prove their refugee status.
        Of the 2,6 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia and of the 1 million (minimum) of those who did not leave Ukraine of their own free will.
        Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
        For example, there are no "political refugees" or "militia members".
        They are not spelled out in the legislation.

        But in fact they are.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821993#t821993

        From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
        There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.
        And yes, there is no "political refugee" status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820457#t820457


        = Russia pays 800 rubles a day for the maintenance of such refugees (per person), so 24 thousand rubles a month for the Russian hinterland is very quite. =
        Russia does not pay this money to refugees, it’s enough to quote this duck here. Russia spends such an amount on refugees, refugees do not receive anything in their hands - and do not demand, because they have no right.
        In general, you can ask how much money has been spent on this program of creating a temporary placement (without taking into account what has been done for this money), it will work to accommodate 100-150 thousand people for a month or two.
        What they said at the round table. Now the refugees live on their own; no one wears anything in their beak.
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=828393#t828393
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 47 New
          +1
          listen learn how to highlight quotes in a human way, you can break your eyes
          Quote: pentarhist
          Outside of quotas go close relatives or husband-wife (one Satan). Even the grandmother to the grandson needs to be issued in the general order of obtaining RVP. As part of the quota. And by the way, what, quotas - this is not a policy including the FMS?

          if it’s about obtaining citizenship, it’s a lie, and it’s nasty and vile - There are no quotas for the acquisition of Russian citizenship.
          http://www.fmschel.ru/execution/foreign/citizenship.htm
          In accordance with Article 14, persons can be accepted into Russian citizenship in a simplified manner:
          having at least one parent with Russian citizenship and residing in the territory of the Russian Federation (paragraph “a” of part 1 of article 14);
          resident and resident, in the states that were part of the USSR, who did not receive the citizenship of these states, stateless persons, former citizens of the USSR (paragraph “b” of part 1 of article 14);
          citizens of the states that were part of the USSR who received secondary vocational or higher vocational education after July 1, 2002 in Russian educational institutions (paragraph “c” of part 1 of article 14);
          born on the territory of the RSFSR, and having citizenship of the former USSR (clause "a" of part 2 of article 14);
          living in the Russian Federation and married to a citizen of the Russian Federation for at least three years (paragraph “b” of part 2 of article 14);
          being disabled and having adult capable children - citizens of the Russian Federation (paragraph “c” of part 2 of article 14);
          have a child who is a citizen of the Russian Federation - in the event that the other parent of this child, who is a citizen of the Russian Federation, has died either by a court decision that has entered into legal force, is recognized as missing, incapable or limited in legal capacity, deprived of parental rights or limited in parental rights (paragraph "d" of part 2 of article 14);
          have a son or daughter who have reached the age of eighteen years, who are citizens of the Russian Federation and a court decision that has entered into legal force, are recognized as legally incompetent or limited in their legal capacity, if another parent of the indicated citizens of the Russian Federation who is a citizen of the Russian Federation has died or by decision a court that has entered into legal force, is recognized as missing, legally incompetent or limited in legal capacity, deprived of parental rights or limited in parental rights (paragraph “e” of part 2 of article 14);
          disabled persons who arrived in the Russian Federation from the states that were part of the USSR and were registered at their place of residence in the Russian Federation as of July 1, 2002 (Part 3 of Article 14);
          veterans of the Great Patriotic War (part 5 of article 14);
          children and incapacitated persons (part 6 of article 14);
          registered at the place of residence in the territory of the constituent entity of the Russian Federation that they have chosen for permanent residence in accordance with the State Program for Assisting the Voluntary Resettlement of Compatriots Living Abroad to the Russian Federation (Part 7 of Article 14).
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: pentarhist
          Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
          For example, there are no "political refugees" or "militia members".
          They are not spelled out in the legislation

          lies again
          Asylum in the Russian Federation

          In 1992, the Russian Federation acceded to the 1951 UN Convention and the 1967 Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees. The Russian Federation provides asylum to foreign citizens and stateless persons seeking asylum in its territory by:

          political asylum;
          refugee recognition;
          providing temporary asylum.
          On the basis of Article 63 of the Constitution, the Russian Federation provides foreign citizens and stateless persons with political asylum in accordance with generally recognized norms of international law.

          Political Asylum

          Political asylum on the territory of Russia is carried out in accordance with the Regulation on the procedure for granting political asylum by the Russian Federation, approved by Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of July 21, 1997 No. 746. Political asylum is granted to foreign citizens and stateless persons seeking asylum and protection from persecution or a real threat of becoming a victim of persecution in the country of their nationality or in the country of their usual residence for socio-political activities and beliefs that do not contradict democratic principles recognized by the international community , international law. Applications for political asylum are accepted by the territorial bodies of the FMS of Russia.

          http://www.fms.gov.ru/government_services/asylum/

          where do you pay attention I'm not referring to bloggers but documents
          1. pentarhist
            pentarhist 2 November 2015 16: 41 New
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            = if it’s about obtaining citizenship, it’s a lie, and it’s nasty and vile - There are no quotas for acquiring Russian citizenship. =

            There was no talk of this. Quotas on RVP.

            = again a lie
            Asylum in the Russian Federation

            The Russian Federation in 1992 joined the 1951 UN Convention and the 1967 Protocol, =

            Yes, it's not about that. The fact is that many (if not most) refugees from U. are not recognized as such. Russia does not classify them as listed by you.


            "Многие, реально существующие категории граждан Украины под законодательные акты не подпадают.
            Например, нет "политических беженцев"( из У. ) или "участников ополчения".
            They are not spelled out in the legislation.


            From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
            There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.
            And yes, there is no "political refugee" status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.

            И Анпилогов не "блоггер", а один из крупнейших участников тех событий. Если что неясно, спросите у него в блоге.

            P.S. By the way, do not tell me how to find out here that your comment was answered?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 15 New
              0
              you first learn how to highlight quotes
              Quote: pentarhist
              Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
              Например, нет "политических беженцев"( из У. ) или "участников ополчения".
              They are not spelled out in the legislation.

              Lord what legal illiteracy
              open the FMS website and read the regulations
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: pentarhist
              From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
              There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.

              you will be surprised but they are right, legally there is not any novorosiya and those who receive refuge legally refugees from Ukraine
              Quote: pentarhist
              или "участников ополчения".
              They are not spelled out in the legislation.

              unequivocally, legally such a concept does not exist, and if anyone comes with screams they say I'm a militia and let me get something fast there and they send him
              1. pentarhist
                pentarhist 4 November 2015 16: 33 New
                -2
                The thing is that there is no category of political refugees from Ukraine. There are refugees from the territory of the fighting, but there are no political refugees. Do not even have visas with U. which polit. refugees?
                For example, Anpilogov himself is a political refugee from Dnepropetrovsk, but cannot have such a status
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 4 November 2015 16: 53 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pentarhist
                  There are refugees from the territory of the fighting, but there are no political refugees

                  for Christ’s sake, study the law and stop writing bullshit
                  RUSSIAN FEDERATION FEDERAL LAW ON REFUGEES
                  Article 1. Basic concepts

                  1. For the purposes of this Federal Law, the following basic concepts apply:

                  1) refugee - this is a person who is not a citizen of the Russian Federation and who, due to well-founded fears of becoming a victim of persecution according to race, religion, citizenship, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political beliefs is outside the country of his nationality and cannot use the protection of this country or does not want to use such protection due to such fears; or, having no certain citizenship and being outside the country of his former usual residence as a result of such events, cannot or does not want to return to it due to such fears;


                  в природе нет понятия политического беженца ни беженца "с теритроии боевых действий", есть понятие беженец и получают в ФМС именно статус беженца, а ваш Анпилигов либо врун либо дурak раз такую ахинею несет
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    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 10: 47 New
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      Quote: pentarhist
      Even official registration procedures require a refugee a lump sum from 5 to 000 rubles (depending on the region) to collect all certificates and go through all the procedures for submitting a package of documents to the FMS

      what nonsense? !!!!
      can you give a breakdown of such amounts ?!
      1. pentarhist
        pentarhist 2 November 2015 13: 59 New
        -2
        Ask here-

        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820201#t820201
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 14: 44 New
          +1
          I ask the one who brought the number
          1. pentarhist
            pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 03 New
            -3
            So he brought it. This is Anpilogov, one of the largest figures in the late New Russia
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 11 New
              +1
              what he writes nonsense and nonsense
              there are facts let it lead no sorry stick my tongue ...
              In addition, strange refugees Moscow is one of the most expensive cities in the world, so it can choose what is easier ?!
              1. pentarhist
                pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 41 New
                -3
                You write nonsense. The person directly deals with the problem. It relies mainly on the officer. data. If you have questions, ask him on the blog.
                And why did you decide that everything to plod around in Moscow? 400000 thousand patents are with Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc. Who have less problems than refugees
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pentarhist
                  And why did you decide that everything to plod around in Moscow?

                  because as a basis all figures and prices are taken in Moscow
    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: pentarhist
      The "program of native speakers of the Russian language" and the "program of resettlement of compatriots" practically do not work

      strange and I moved on it
      Quote: pentarhist
      Registration for the exam in the Russian language in the already mentioned Moscow is now being conducted in mid-2017

      you have some kind of mess, the status of the program participant is given on the ground, that is, where you live with what have the exams in Moscow?
      Quote: pentarhist
      and the total number of compatriots who benefited from the resettlement program was only 60 for the current year

      So what?!
      Quote: pentarhist
      In addition, the provisions of these programs imply the withdrawal of Ukrainian citizenship “in advance”, which contradicts international conventions on preventing the creation of categories of stateless persons

      Well, this is generally nonsense, you are my friend or are illiterate in this matter or just a provocateur
      By the way, the page you are linking to is NO
      1. pentarhist
        pentarhist 2 November 2015 14: 13 New
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        Read carefully. You are not the topic, but this is a person who is closely involved in the topic, Anpilogov-
        http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 38 New
          +1
          знаете я приехал в РФ из казахстана и с работой ФМС сталкивался впрямую, в 80% случаев "геморроя" виноваты сами приезжие
          but what writes anpilogov generally nonsense
          1. pentarhist
            pentarhist 2 November 2015 18: 17 New
            -2
            So you are from Kazakhstan.
            Anpilogov not only helps refugees, but also himself. Let those who wish to read the article and decide for themselves.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 19: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: pentarhist
              So you are from Kazakhstan.

              No, I live in the USSR from Russia
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 2 November 2015 15: 40 New
        0
        that is, essentially unable to answer? !!
  • sichevik
    sichevik 1 November 2015 11: 54 New
    +5
    Or maybe it’s specially done. How much money did zarobitchans take to the outskirts? Billions of dollars. They fed their families, replenished the country's budget with currency. And, it should be noted replenished robust ... And now the shop was closed. Not only will there be no more foreign exchange earnings in the budget, but the army of the unemployed will increase significantly. And this is an increase in social tension. And the zarobitsch will remain one on one with the junta and its orders ... No, I’m not gloating, I just analyze and think that maybe it’s even like this that it will reach a simple mine, that it’s impossible to live on like that. After all, all these zarobitchites are solid mine-goers. They don't give a damn about what's on the outskirts. He has an income and good. Also, upon arrival at the outskirts, they sit with friends for a bottle and talk about what kind of scoops, quilted jackets, ka-tsa-bastards and scum ... Now let them scratch their turnips and start to think at least a little.
    1. pentarhist
      pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 02 New
      -1
      = Or maybe it was specially done. How much money did zarobitchans take to the outskirts? Billions of dollars =

      Actually, Ross. the state sponsors more with its discounts, benefits and deferrals. At what directly to the junta (and that already at its discretion may give a discount to the end consumer). And here people send to their families. And since they work in the Russian Federation, it is more likely that they treat her well.
      1. Mic1969
        Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 35 New
        +4
        Quote: pentarhist
        And since they work in Russia,

        Then let them pay taxes in the Russian Federation.
        Quote: pentarhist
        more likely to be well treated.

        Far from a fact.
        Quote: pentarhist
        people send to their families

        Moreover, in currency, buying up currency in the Russian Federation for rubles, they contributed to the depreciation of the ruble.
        1. pentarhist
          pentarhist 1 November 2015 14: 43 New
          -1
          = Let them pay taxes in the Russian Federation. =

          In the sense ? They pay them in the Russian Federation.

          = Moreover, in the currency, buying up the currency in the Russian Federation for rubles, they contributed to the depreciation of the ruble. =

          That’s who is to blame :) Ukrainian refugees and just migrant workers :) They cannot use rubles in U. so they have to transfer to other currencies.
          1. Mic1969
            Mic1969 1 November 2015 17: 19 New
            0
            90% of them do not pay taxes anywhere.
            Quote: pentarhist
            They cannot use rubles in U.

            Yes, they can’t, therefore, they sell, thereby, although not much, but they influence.
  • roskot
    roskot 1 November 2015 11: 54 New
    +5
    It's time to put things in order in this matter. What privileges can be, except for citizens of Donetsk and Lugansk.
    1. pentarhist
      pentarhist 2 November 2015 15: 20 New
      -2
      2,6 million arrived. Of these, 1 million came from a war zone. In which Russia acted as the guarantor of peace (about the participation of Russia in the war in the Donbass - outside of this blog).
      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=834537#t834537

      "Official" refugees - 404 thousand people.
      These are those who were able to prove their refugee status.
      Of the 2,6 million citizens of Ukraine in Russia and of the 1 million (minimum) of those who did not leave Ukraine of their own free will.
      Many really existing categories of citizens of Ukraine are not subject to legislative acts.
      For example, there are no "political refugees" or "militia members".
      They are not spelled out in the legislation.

      But in fact they are.
      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=821993#t821993

      From the point of view of the FMS of the Russian Federation, there is no "Novorossiya".
      There are "citizens of Ukraine", those who fell under the rink of war, prove this separately.
      And yes, there is no "political refugee" status with Ukraine. For there are no visas.
      http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html?thread=820457#t820457
  • askort154
    askort154 1 November 2015 11: 57 New
    +2
    Всё правильно! Кто приехал отсидеться от проблем призыва на гражданскую войну (с обеих сторон) или на "шабашку", пусть возвращаются, там их ждут - "безвизовые" поездки в ЕС, "герои майдана" и
    American servants: Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk and Saakashvili. And refugees for political reasons, for the most part, have already been settled in Russia, having accepted the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 1 November 2015 11: 58 New
    +5
    Frau Merkel 3 billion for 400 thousand Arabs (mostly men) is ready to pay the Kiev junta ... Accept Ukraine and you will definitely get into the EU ...! We have 2.6 million ... and spent a lot more money! They want to take your places, it is time to show love for the Motherland, Ukrainians! Sorry, but we will kick you out with kicks, it’s time to jump in Kiev!
  • dckx
    dckx 1 November 2015 11: 59 New
    +1
    I'm afraid this decision is exclusively within the framework of security, the border is being closed - passports can be faked and sent prepared contingents for sabotage ....
  • BOB044
    BOB044 1 November 2015 12: 02 New
    +2
    The preferential stay of Ukrainians in the Russian Federation has been canceled
    Right, it's time, you need to give benefits to those who do not pour dirt on your country. And fighting the Nazis. And does not water our country when at home in Ukraine. And he makes an ingenious person when he makes money in Russia.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 November 2015 12: 04 New
    +2
    I didn’t even know how many Ukrainians in our country have Ukrainian citizenship. It is time for them to know the honor. Suitcase, train station, territory 404. Well, or a patent, and work. Got a few. Deal with your maydanutami-yourself.
    1. Mic1969
      Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I didn’t even know how many Ukrainians in our country have Ukrainian citizenship.

      In fact, there are even more, many completely illegal.
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 1 November 2015 12: 06 New
    -1
    ... The practice of linking the filing of documents with the FMS with the registration of refugees at private addresses causes a situation in which almost all registration of displaced persons turns out to be “fake”: the FMS does not actually control the displaced persons, and the displaced persons are in fact violators of the legislation of the Russian Federation, without actually living at the addresses indicated in the documents. At the same time, as the official riveting of refugees to the FMS branches, indicating the actual address of their stay, would solve this problem.
    And finally, a bit of sociology. 83% of Russians believe that Ukrainian refugees should already "go home." Only 17% of the respondents agreed to their further stay in Russia.
    The official action of the FMS after December 1, 2015, if the refugee fails to issue permits within this period, according to the law, will be the deportation of refugees back to Ukraine. Including, of course, and political refugees and members of the militia. This, of course, if you follow the letter of the law.

    Or, judging by the current situation, about one and a half million citizens of Ukraine should apply for patents, RVP and citizenship in the remaining period of 30 days.
    .
    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html
  • fa2998
    fa2998 1 November 2015 12: 07 New
    -4
    Quote: Observer2014
    But this had to be done a long time ago.

    Simple arithmetic-2600000-1000000 = 1600000 people-citizens of Ukraine excluding the Donbass. If among them at least 10% of the military are drafted, the problems with the recruitment of another wave are solved in Kiev. People in Russia are hiding from recruitment, and many mobilization waves have failed, and the fighting subsided. So, that is a moot point! Tajiks will drop in instead of Ukrainians. hi
    1. Mic1969
      Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 25 New
      +2
      And you don’t worry about mobilization. If Khokhlovoenkoms with 40 million did not score, then 1,6 million will not be collected. After all, you can hide from the draft not only in Russia, but also in the cache, with the mother under the skirt. In Russia, the truth was also possible to earn.
  • for_White_Only
    for_White_Only 1 November 2015 12: 13 New
    +2
    Ahah)) the earplugs will go home) to the ground)) to clean the Polish toilets) Europe?
    suitcase, train station, kuev!
  • RUSLAN
    RUSLAN 1 November 2015 12: 17 New
    +4
    I also think that they stayed, it’s time and honor to know! Who was zombied, time was to see, but not to see, so fate knows! Those who decide to stay as refugees or for permanent residence, I would check through the FSB!
  • Steppe
    Steppe 1 November 2015 12: 18 New
    +4
    good Everything is correct. So now Russia supplies Ukraine not only gas, but also its own citizens with brainwashed.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 1 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    now we are going to everything and go to our beloved Europe or already stable Ukraine back.
  • MsRedMaster
    MsRedMaster 1 November 2015 13: 14 New
    0
    They say a fake, and if not a fake, then I am very happy, and now the unemployed will be maidan.

    А я не рад, пускай у них много "упоротых" правительство г...но, но лично для меня они все равно остаются братьями. А в сложной ситуации я считаю мы должны помочь родственному народу!!!
  • Mic1969
    Mic1969 1 November 2015 13: 20 New
    +2
    Well, I want to say. As a representative of the building-coven community, I warmly approve.
  • Support
    Support 1 November 2015 13: 30 New
    +2
    When these brothers and sisters with uncles and even a beat knows who, it interferes with manure in my country (I personally heard other Russians from refugees in Kamchatka in my address)) ..... I saw such relatives in a coffin.
  • Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 1 November 2015 14: 13 New
    +1
    At last! And then wherever you spit - around SHO yes SHO ...
    Let the grown fascists be destroyed at home!
  • Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 1 November 2015 14: 17 New
    +2
    Quote: fa2998
    Quote: Observer2014
    But this had to be done a long time ago.

    If among them at least 10% of those liable for military service, then the problems with the draft of another wave have been resolved in Kiev .. hi

    If among them at least 10% with weapons in their hands will stand against fascist evil in Ukraine ....
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 1 November 2015 14: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Alexandr2637
      If among them at least 10% with weapons in their hands will stand against fascist evil in Ukraine ....

      Да воевать кроме особо упоротых никто не хочет.. двоюродный племянник тещи закончил ВУЗ в Киеве - до сих пор диплом не забрал, потому что сразу на войну из деканата поедет, говорит вся группа так , кроме "блатных"
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 1 November 2015 14: 34 New
    +1
    Much ado about nothing. Previously, the residents of the rest of Ukraine did not need anything, they had to look at the FMS and they automatically renewed the registration without question. Now you just need to draw up documents, get a patent, as well as all the other visitors, it is not difficult. And Donbass residents still do not need to do this.
  • Cen2rion
    Cen2rion 1 November 2015 14: 35 New
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    Quote: Tusv
    Quote: Cen2rion
    Now they live with me, near Leningrad. So still can not take shape. A year and a half continues red tape.

    Native Russians with a Ukrainian passport?

    And if you were born in the RSFSR, grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived in Russia, in their youth, during the Soviet Union, they left for the Ukrainian SSR according to their distribution after studies, in the 90s they were forced to obtain a Ukrainian passport, then everything was no longer native Russians, but traitors? .. So, let’s write others as well, we will refuse those who have considered themselves Russian all their lives and consider them regardless of their place of residence and stamp in their passport ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 1 November 2015 14: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Cen2rion
      And if you were born in the RSFSR, grandfathers and great-grandfathers
      lived in Russia, in youth, during the Soviet Union, left for the Ukrainian SSR according to distribution after studies

      Take and imagine Uchilka, who has been waiting 40 years for her habitation, and here the radical Russians suggest waiting another 10 years
      My own sister was assigned to Krasnoyarsk. What does it say. You are not a fig in your Moscow can not live. 30 years in Siberia and like it. Free land a little further away
  • Rigla
    Rigla 1 November 2015 14: 52 New
    +4
    At last. Leave only political refugees and refugees from the Donbass, give them Russian citizenship. The rest of the filthy broom jumping into Bandera.
  • slizhov
    slizhov 1 November 2015 15: 46 New
    +4
    It seems that our government has changed its mind.
    For those of us, we give them gas at a discount ...
    The blockade was tripled wherever it was possible, but we ... do not do this to the fraternal people ...
    No, so long ago we were told:
    "никогда мы не будем братьями,
    ни по родине, ни по матери...!!!"
    Maybe EVERYTHING and send them to their own mother, who brought her son into the light, capable of only pounding hooves with torches on paving stones ..?
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 1 November 2015 17: 48 New
    -1
    Quote: Mic1969
    90% of them do not pay taxes anywhere.


    This is except with the guest workers from Wed. Asia (yes, they probably pay more often), which will replace the Little Russians.
  • sounddoc
    sounddoc 1 November 2015 18: 31 New
    +4
    Вот наблюдаю за форумчанами и понимаю:а главная цель,всё-таки достигнута... Удалось вбить клин между славянами,детьми одного рода,ветвями одного дерева ( прошу прощения за патетику)! "Разделяй и властвуй..."
    I want to describe the situation from the inside. The population of Ukraine today can be divided into three groups - stubborn, stupid and scared. I won’t talk about stubborn people, and everything is clear. As for stupid people: a group of people of different property, cultural, educational and intellectual levels who are sincerely they believe that everything was stolen by Yanukovych, Putin is to blame for everything. The holy people believe in ravings about a ukrozomboyaschik, wear embroidered shirts, forgetting that whoever puts on an embroidered shirt does not automatically become a Ukrainian, but remains a fool in an embroidered shirt. This group does not have a clear distinction between partial overflow of the masses from one group to another is observed.
    Напуганные - самая многочисленная часть населения нэньки,и чем восточнее,тем её численность выше.В силу разных причин - боязнь за себя за жизнь близких,слабость духа,традиционного "мояхатаскраю" сидят тише воды,ниже травы и боятся открыть рот или просто поднять голову...
    Ситуация тяжёлая,безрадостная,муторная.До части тупых уже начало доходить через пустые карманы и желудки,что не всё так гламурно,как представляют по УкроТВ.Но в разговорах они всё ещё цепляются за фразы типа " к этому всё и шло...при Януковиче стало бы ещё хуже...Янукович готовил сдачу Крыма...Россия мечтала нас завоевать и т.д.",но произносят эту ахинею всё менее уверенным голосом...
    You can talk endlessly ... and is it worth it ... with all due respect to the personality and talent of the GDP, I cannot but mention one fundamental error: the official recognition of the junta in the long run has brought Russia more losses than dividends ...
    So that's it, the Russian brothers ... sadly (((((((((((
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 1 November 2015 22: 58 New
      +2
      I managed to drive a wedge between the Slavs, children of the same kind, branches of the same tree (I apologize for the pathos)!

      Than to have such relatives - it is better to remain an orphan! hi
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 1 November 2015 18: 45 New
    0
    Outside of the quota, there are also everyone who came under the resettlement assistance program.
    Anpilogov-
    Yes, I gave you a figure - 60 people moved in under this program.
    I perfectly know the fate of these immigrants, since some of my friends took advantage of it. In the best case, enough to pay for housing and food, in the worst case - not enough for anything.
    Because in general, the program offers fairly depressed areas in which many people simply do not find work in their specialty.

    "Россия выплачивает 800 рублей в сутки на содержание таких беженцев (на человека), так что 24 тыс. рублей в месяц для российской глубинки - очень даже вполне."
    Anpilogov-
    Russia does not pay this money to refugees, it’s enough to quote this duck here. Russia spends such an amount on refugees, refugees do not receive anything in their hands - and do not demand, because they have no right.
    In general, you can ask how much money has been spent on this program of creating a temporary placement (without taking into account what has been done for this money), it will work to accommodate 100-150 thousand people for a month or two.
    What they said at the round table. Now the refugees live on their own; no one wears anything in their beak.

    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html#comments
  • pentarhist
    pentarhist 1 November 2015 18: 47 New
    -1
    Anpilogov-
    The cost of a patent varies by region.
    In Moscow, the advance on personal income tax is 4000 per month, which displays the cost of a patent in the amount of 48 rubles per year. Plus, the cost of registration.
    In the regions - less, but there are also salaries, excuse me, not Moscow.
    Но, в целом, вся политика ФМС и направлена на то, чтобы пересадить всех на патент и на "лавки", которые его оформляют.

    http://izborskiy-club.livejournal.com/385001.html#comments
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  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 1 November 2015 19: 19 New
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    Quote: Finches
    I understand! That people didn’t come from a good life! They need to feed their families and survive, but as soon as I hear a southern Ukrainian dialect somewhere on Sennaya, Nevsky or Angliysky Prospekt, hatred captures me - why not here?
    in his European, prosperous state, not in his beloved Europe, or not from his masters in Washington ???
    I think that now comrades will shower me with minuses and considerations of tolerance, but what can you do - the fact remains!

    I didn’t understand a bit. I’m not ironic. I walk along the same streets as you. SOUTH UKRAINIAN never heard a dialect. South RUSSIAN ---- maybe sometimes on Angliysky Prospekt. After 3 minutes --- MUSEUM NOVOROSSII. People can come to heal. Severely ill. Someone should bring them.
    Builders are probably trying to work more in the area. They’re trying not to be visible. This is my impression.
  • pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 1 November 2015 19: 40 New
    +2
    This is only a half measure - 90 days. It is necessary to switch to a visa regime. No, really! Died - so dead!
  • S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 1 November 2015 20: 24 New
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    ... look at the preliminary results of the last elections in Ukraine .... in fourth place is the Lyashko Radical Party - 8,6%,

    How do you comment on these election results?


    I’m sorry that I’m getting into a conversation and a little off topic, but personally these numbers just kill me: almost 9% support the rear-wheel drive in the person of the leader of this party. Tin. But you have to multiply by 2: I, of course, am not a super psychologist, but for some reason it seems to me that women have a certain disgust for this type of male person and are unlikely to vote for them (who reads the party program? Yes, almost anyone vote for the person , symbol, leader), cross them out. That is, judging by the statistics, the data of males in Ukraine is almost 20%! Get crazy.
  • holgert
    holgert 1 November 2015 20: 56 New
    +3
    Не надо ""сильно""их жалеть----они,в отличии от нас,неплохо тут деньгами разживаются,а по приезду поливают грязью страну,которая им 1)долго кормила и давала работу 2)никогда их особо не попрекала куском хлеба в отличии от их Украины.....
    1. complete zero
      complete zero 2 November 2015 08: 45 New
      0
      с чего такое суждение (грязью поливают) за всех то уважаемый не стоит говорить? работал я с хохлами не один десяток лет (у бурильщика так вообще батя был "лесной брат") и ни каких тебе эксцессов по работе и по быту (полевой сезон 6 месяцев) ни когда не возникало..люди они везде люди (если люди конечно)