Media: the wreckage of a Russian passenger plane missing from radar discovered in Egypt

The wreckage of the Russian civil Airbus airliner found today in Egypt in the center of the Sinai Peninsula, reports RIA News with reference to foreign publications.

Airbus A321-200, archival photo.
According to the Youm7 portal, “Egyptian security forces cordoned off the crash site, about twenty ambulances were sent from the city of El Arish in the north of Sinai to evacuate the victims of the disaster.”
Resource Masravi, in turn, said that “for the search for a Russian aircraft, the military was raised on alert aviation Of Egypt. "
A source at the Federal Air Transport Agency told the agency that the Kogalymavia Airbus 321, which operated the 9268 Sharm el-Sheikh-Saint Petersburg flight, flew from Egypt to 6.21 (Moscow time) and disappeared from the radar screens via 23 minutes There were 217 passengers and seven crew members on board. ”
Official Cairo confirmed the detection of debris aircraft. "Egyptian Prime Minister Sheriff Ismail convened a crisis committee to destroy the liner," the government said.

Comments

[Observer2014]

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

[bulvas]

Sorry for the dead and their relatives

Yesterday it was reported that Saakashvili, Gerashchenko sent militants from air defense systems to bring down a Russian plane and quarrel Russia and the United States

True, it was about Syria

Something a lot over the past few days -
the conspiracy of Saakashvili, mass launches of our missiles, and here is our plane

[figwam]

disappeared from radar screens after 23 minutes

During this time, a serviceable aircraft could gain the required height of 10-11 km and apparently it fell from this height.

[Vadivak]

Quote: figvam

During this time, a serviceable aircraft could gain the required height for it 10-11km and apparently it fell from this height

Pilots complained about the engine ....

At the Sharm el-Sheikh airport, they said that the crew of a crashed Russian airliner complained several times a week about problems with the engine.

Accept the Lord of the souls of your servants, may the earth rest in peace for them all

[tomket]

Quote: Vadivak

that the crew of a crashed Russian airliner several times a week complained about problems with the engine.

Well, that’s what we’re coming to. Removing from the tragedy and grief of people we get. Problems with European technology. If some carcass had crashed, there would already be a cry about how long you can fly on Soviet trash, destroying innocent people. After the same tragedy they will shrug their shoulders, they will say, well, with whom it does not happen. Any equipment breaks down, and surely the crew either drank or did not finish their studies, and everything will be written off to the notorious human factor.

[dvg79]

The problems are not so much with the equipment as with the leadership, who first bought European trash, and then ignored the crew’s complaints about the state of the art. The picture is familiar to the pain. The earth rest in peace to the dead.

[jjj]

Sadly, my condolences. But, friends, fly only with Aeroflot

[lukke]

Sadly, my condolences. But, friends, fly only with Aeroflot

It does not yet cover the entire air traffic network, rather expensive tickets, and we don’t always rely on the airline when there is a choice of a more convenient time of departure-arrival.

[steel_balls]

I think it was a technology failure. A month and a half ago, I flew to Crete with this Colavia, and back with Ural Airlines, so on the way back right after takeoff, the sound was as if they were trying to start the right engine again on the run ... These are all of them, these are our charters. The saddest thing is that all tour operators have the same charter airlines and do not fly anything else there. There is simply no choice. Or take separately tickets and a hotel and fly with a transfer by foreign companies.

[Bayonet]

Quote: steel_balls

A month and a half ago I flew to Crete with this Colavia

I've been there too since September 14th! It is true there (Heraklion) from Rostov and back on the Greek "watermelon", charter. The car is very well maintained inside, apparently not old.

[sherp2015]

Quote: jjj

Sadly, my condolences. But, friends, fly only with Aeroflot

And that is true! And perhaps you need to at least temporarily stop flying in this direction

[kuz363]

So he also has 90% of the fleet of foreign

[jjj]

Quote: kuz363

So he also has 90% of the fleet of foreign

But the cars are fresh, the pilots are experienced and flown, and the maintenance is rigorous. As for the prices, the price is not so much

[vladimirZ]

Quote dvg79 (1):
Problems are not so much with technology as with management, which first bought European trash, and then ignored the crew’s complaints about the state of the art ...

The problem in our aviation, rather, not even in the leadership, but in the organization of civil aviation in Russia.
They smashed the once united USSR-Ovsky Aeroflot by way of Yeltsin-Gaidar-Chubais privatization into hundreds, if not thousands, of small and low-powered small enterprises, unable to:
- trouble-free operation of flying equipment,
- train specialists: pilots, engineers, technicians,
- during the time to service and repair aircraft,
- lost repair and maintenance bases,
- closed and abandoned hundreds of airports and airfields,
- and so on, so on, so on.
With the destruction of civil aviation, aviation civil aircraft construction also collapsed, aircraft factories and design bureaus closed.
They did not miss their civilian pilots. They began to issue and buy fake pilot's licenses, former navigators, flight engineers, former decades, turned into pilots.
Dozens of small air carriers, such as the Kogalymavia airline, whose plane crashed in Egypt, have 3-6 planes with a goal of making a profit by reducing flight safety, the basis of systemic and regular plane crashes in Russia.
It is necessary to stop with a large variety of air carriers in Russia, ideally, they will return to the same state (with a blocking state block of shares) air campaign.
It is time to stop with these "Transaero", "Kogalymavia" and others, carrying plane crashes, disruption of passenger flights, the destruction of civil aircraft, to deprive them of their license to operate aircraft, prompting the airline campaign to unite.
But this requires the political will of the Russian leadership, but it does not exist, unfortunately.

[ssergn]

Transaero fleet - 106 boards (official info on the site). You can’t name a small company. Yes, and for a long time in the market. I didn’t say that the tickets were cheap, it’s hard to say what ruined her. Maybe leasing is exorbitant, maybe a jump in exchange rates coupled with reduced demand, most likely all together. It happens - remember Pan American? There were more examples.

[vladimirZ]

For Russia, with its endless expanses, where very few people live, but where "you can only fly by plane", and flights there are deliberately unprofitable, the presence of dozens, if not hundreds of private air campaigns, is state stupidity.
Therefore, in Russia, all interregional and intraregional transportation practically stopped.
Therefore, for the sake of profit, aviation safety is neglected in all air campaigns.
Civil aviation in Russia is in a miserable state, there is practically no building of its own aircraft, and flight and engineering personnel are not being prepared in the right amount, ...
It is time for the Russian leadership to discard all the liberal cracking and think, finally, about the revival of civil aviation on a planned state basis. By and large, the death of people in plane crashes the last quarter century, on their conscience.
It is necessary to stop this criminal variety of private air carriers.
And finally it came to Russian lawmakers.

The head of the State Duma's international affairs committee, Alexei Pushkov, proposed reducing the number of air carriers in Russia to two or three. He said this on the air of the Russian News Service. In his opinion, "this is the area in which the state should intervene." - information Newspaper.Ru

[Vadivak]

Quote: tomket

If some carcass crashed

In my opinion, there were no accidents involving the death of passengers with the Tu-204, there was a disaster when five crew members died ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Vadivak

In my opinion, there were no incidents with the Tu-204

If we compare the number of "watermelons", Boeings and Tu-204 that are in our operation, then this is not an argument!

[SRC P-15]

Here I thought: how are we Russians, we differ from the West and Ukraine - we do not shout to the whole world that the plane was shot down and we are not looking for the guilty until the situation is clarified. Let us recall what happened in the event of a Boeing crash in Ukraine. Even before the discovery of the remains of the plane, it was rumored through all channels that Russia was to blame for this tragedy. God is their judge, but today our country is showing an example of how to behave in these situations.
I was hoping for a miracle, but it did not happen. My condolences to the relatives of the victims. May the earth rest in peace!

[BAT]

Recently I went into the ear of Moscow and went nuts. The regulars there are gloating and jubilant over this terrible tragedy. And among them there are a lot of ours, local, home-grown liberals. There are, of course, many ukromaydanodebilov there, but our scum there is enough. And these scum are in no way inferior to Svidomo ub-people-kam ...

[olimpiada15]

Quote: sichevik

Recently I went into the ear of Moscow and went nuts. And these garbage in no way inferior to Svidomo ub-people-kam ...

They are from the same nest and they have a common feeding trough.

[ksv1973]

Quote: sichevik

Recently I went into the ear of Moscow and went nuts. The regulars there are gloating and jubilant over this terrible tragedy. And among them there are a lot of ours, local, home-grown liberals. There are, of course, many ukromaydanodebilov there, but our scum there is enough. And these scum are in no way inferior to Svidomo ub-people-kam ...

"Minus" is mine, because figs do not "go" to this and similar garbage cans.

[BAT]

But somehow I do not chase the pros and do not get upset because of the cons. And sometimes I go to all kinds of govnosites. And in the ear matzah, and even (oh horror) stubborn censor. In order not to relax and remember that there is still scum in the whole world. And this scum is still a lot. Or is it prohibited here ???

[BAT]

By the way, your minus is not from me. Honestly!!!

[Erg]

ksv, you need to know the enemy by sight. I myself often go through enemy sites to "strengthen my faith"

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: Erg

ksv, you need to know the enemy by sight. I myself often go through enemy sites to "strengthen my faith"

Colleague, I also go to the censor, and I signed up for the bulk group in VK.
Not only faith for, but enemy information!

[Zavr]

There are, of course, many ukromaydanodebilov there, but our scum there is enough. And these scum are in no way inferior to Svidomo ub-people-kam ...

But after people like you, the whole world considers Russians ..

Kiev, the Russian Embassy, ​​was there such a thing in Russia near the Netherlands Embassy or Ukrainian after the fall of Il and Boeing?

[bragin]

Okay you! No need to count Russians, Ukrainians, Mongols, etc. Mind! Common sense! Robust! meaning.

[Sling cutter]

All Brothers from Ukraine Thank you for your condolences!
Glanoy that we are together!
We are being destroyed everywhere, on earth, underground, in the air, at sea, in fratricidal wars, in mines, at production facilities, on the roads, and even pedophiles now have tolerance too ...
But what about us, living ..., it’s a pity that we swallow ...
Another Kursk ...!
All 224 people at once in the 23rd minute became ANGELS ... maybe they help us understand how we live ....
I grieve .....

[marl]

Quote: Zavr

Was this in Russia near the Netherlands Embassy or Ukrainian after the fall of Il and Boeing?

It was. And near the Embassy of the Netherlands, and near the Embassy of Malaysia. Flowers, children's toys, flags. And near the embassy of Ukraine it was. Not only after the Boeing disaster, but also after Odessa.

Let's not count. People are everywhere.

[Kent0001]

I also hoped to the last that he at least sat on his stomach in the desert, but alas ..... all day thinking about the dead children ...

[Starley from the south]

The only aircraft that had no accidents - IL-86. It is difficult to explain why it is not being released in a modernized version. Or do they release it?

[Armored optimist]

He fell. In Pulkovo. True, there was no crew.

[dog1965]

In 2010, he fell at Sheremetyevo. He took off too sharply and fell off. It seems there is still a flight attendant who sat in the tail survived. There were no passengers on the plane.

[Aleksey_K]

Our planes did not always meet the requirements for flights in Europe and America. Therefore, very often flights of Russian aircraft were simply prohibited (not always objective). Second-hand western planes - cheaper. That is why it is falling that used and there is apparently no proper European pre-flight maintenance of equipment. I think our airlines are to blame.

[jjj]

The Su-95 has appeared - it flies in Aeroflot. Everything is quite comfortable for the passenger. But the plant's construction capacity is not enough. And, most likely, it is more profitable for the plant to build a little bit

[Starley from the south]

I had a pretty tight chat with a retired pilot. In his opinion, our (civilian) planes are no worse, in all respects, than European or American. They simply were not allowed to enter the market, inventing all kinds of nonsense, about loud noise and unreliability. As a result, in the 90 years, our civilian aircraft industry nearly died. I think that even if we produce the best airplanes in the world, nobody (i.e. those whom the Americans and Europeans can push) will not buy them.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Noisy, gluttonous, unprofitable.

[avia12005]

Ilyushin did not carry kickbacks to the government, like Boeing and Airbus.

[Bayonet]

Quote: avia12005

Ilyushin did not carry kickbacks to the government, like Boeing and Airbus.

Used aircraft are not bought from Boeing and Airbus, but from previous owners. Carrying kickbacks to the government is also stupid - there are enough buyers. Temper your exuberant fantasy

[Erg]

I lived in Norilsk for thirty years. We flew the IL-18. Also "nicho" airplane. And, here, as the 154th went, the "miracles" began. One of the cases - in November 1981 in Alykel, (Norilsk airport), while landing, the Krasnoyarsk flight crashed. A girl from a parallel class flew there (survived, about 20 people survived). Trust "Construction Mechanization" dug graves, tk. over a hundred ...

[saygon66]

-86-e did not bring to mind ... The engines designed for them, for some reason, did not produce ... put from the 154's, but the power was not enough ... They did not fly up into the sky and climbed. ..

[Sling cutter]

Very sorry for the dead ...
Condolences ...

a couple of years ago I flew on the Kagalym "Watermelon" from a sharmik.
The plane just flew in quickly unloaded, immediately loaded into it luggage, food, refueled and immediately landed for landing.
The plane was ancient, the maximum number of seats was squeezed out of the "Arbuzik" cabin, that is, it was all converted into an economy class, it was not comfortable to sit at all, because. my seat was located near the rear bulkhead and did not recline, there were some boxes under the seat, brought into the cabin before the passengers were boarding ...
The flight attendants tried to compensate for the inconvenience by distributing wine, which passengers enjoyed drinking throughout the flight ...
The flight was successful ... This was Kagalym Avia 2,5 years ago ...

[Now we are free]

Firstly, thanks to the site administration for removing the Like / Dislike system from such news. Thank you, the death of people all the more so our compatriots is not a place to put like or not like.
Secondly, now there is a very large flow of information among which there is a lot of outright nonsense / nasty / desire to raise the rating of their information agency. In particular, I just heard that representatives of the British - "Guardian" declare that the voices of the living are heard from under the rubble ... Where did the British get this information from? Why voice it to the whole world? Even if the Egyptian authorities did not say anything like that ??? Britain has shown as usual how competent / tolerant their media is.
Thirdly, I am very much afraid of the withdrawal of this tragedy into an analogue of "Boeing". Moreover, the plane flew over the area where the Egyptians are conducting an operation against the Islamic territories. groups ...
We are waiting for news about what happened.
All the relatives and friends of the deceased have the deepest condolences, this is a tragedy for all of Russia.

[Rus2012]

Quote: tomket

Any technique breaks down

... simultaneous failure of two engines - a small probability.
Only because of low-quality fuel or lack of it ... or a simultaneous shutdown, incl. number "from the outside"

[Russiamoy]

the same suspicions, especially the relationship with the UAE is not very. and such do not choke on anything under the control of the United States.
And sincere condolences to the families of friends and relatives of the victims.

[gjv]

Quote: tomket

they say, well, with whom it does not happen. Any equipment breaks down, and surely the crew either drank or did not finish their studies, and everything will be written off to the notorious human factor.

Representatives of Kogalymavia say that the pilots in the crew are experienced, 12000 hours of flight, and the human factor has nothing to do with it.
Already the ISIS group boasts that this is their doing.

[sergeant1986]

I've been talking to friends all day about this! And foreign cars on the roads are broken much more than domestic cars. Here lobbyists will not let yell. But our aviators should be informed in detail later, because of which the liner crashed. To let everyone know. And to relatives to hold on. This is grief. And here it remains only to condole ...

[Teplohod]

How then did they allow him to fly with complaints? A strange story from the Sharm el-Sheikh airport.

[Maki Avellevich]

The Israeli site walla.co.il published that the plane gained speed 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h and at the same time lost contact.

not an expert, but it seems that such a sharp loss of speed and communication leads to a version of the instant destruction of the aircraft.

Condolences to the families ...

[Bayonet]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

the plane gained speed of 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h

Only a wall can extinguish speed at 568 km / h. in a second! They just write nonsense - the yellow press!

[Vladycat]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Maki Avellievich

the plane gained speed of 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h

Only a wall can extinguish speed at 568 km / h. in a second! They just write nonsense - the yellow press!

I am not special and do not claim to be true. But is it possible to lose speed this way with active climb and a sharp stop of the engine? Just why the connection instantly disappeared ?. I hope our black boxes will be deciphered sooner than in a year. And so condolences to all

[lis-ik]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: Maki Avellievich

the plane gained speed of 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h

Only a wall can extinguish speed at 568 km / h. in a second! They just write nonsense - the yellow press!

Or it is possible that not a wall, but a plane was shot down, this is not my opinion, but an expert on Vesti FM, he is a former captain of an aircraft, now he is investigating air crashes.

[Bayonet]

Quote: lis-ik

Or perhaps it’s not a wall, but a plane that was shot down

Even a downed plane does not instantly lose speed - no one canceled the inertia.

[Simple]

Quote: Bayonet

Only a wall can extinguish speed at 568 km / h. in a second!

The aircraft moves in space having three coordinates.
Most likely the plane lost 568 km / h (of course not in a second) at the heading.

[PValery53]

Simply, citizen, his horizontal speed turned into vertical. Pique.

[Armored optimist]

If the destruction is on the echelon, then the scatter of debris will be large. And now they say that it fell apart into two parts.

[Andrey77]

Failure of 2 engines? I do not believe.

[Rus2012]

Quote: figvam

During this time, a serviceable aircraft could gain the required altitude 10-11km

The last flight parameters before the sharp loss of speed and altitude began -
height 9tys.m
speed approx. 700km / hour

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Rus2012

height 9tys.m

MANPADS disappear
IG has no more serious air defense
means a terrorist attack or .. anyway a terrorist attack, tomorrow we’ll find out ..

[Andrey77]

Probably. Warning to our military pilots ...

[Lelek]

Quote: bulvas

Sorry for the dead and their relatives

Highly. Here is a fresh one about this:

[Rus2012]

three days ago there was such infa -

..say something important happened in Syria during the current 36 hours.
Our bombed something important -
An Islamic state (banned in Russia) will inevitably create or acquire weapons of mass destruction, warns the former commander of the British Army’s nuclear division, Dr. Hamish de Bretton-Gordon. The risk of using a nuclear bomb in Russian cities has increased significantly due to tensions with Russia, he argues.

According to the former military, terrorists are looking for scientists to help them create a bomb. Dr. Bretton-Gordon added that Moscow is “extremely vulnerable” and the UK is safe because of the “high quality” of its intelligence services.

You did not understand? London threatens Russia with a nuclear attack. British bomb explode, the arrows will transfer to ISIS.

Meanwhile, insiders are reporting that our liberal media outlet has a new “temnik”. I think that in the coming days, if not hours, we will encounter a powerful information campaign in our liberal media. Yes, yes - they will scream for the urgent termination of the operation in Syria.

At the same time, he went over to Shoigu.

The same insiders hinted that we bombed something very successfully in Syria in the last 36 hours. So fortunate that the Asadians began to accelerate the offensive, and our worst "partners" ran in and began to throw such threats here.

The smartest advise civilian planes to stay away from Syria, Iraq and neighboring countries. Unless, of course, they do not want to repeat the sad fate of two famous Boeing.

http://topru.org/26128/v-sirii-chto-to-sluchilos/comment-page-1/#comment-134899

... let's hope that this time there won't be phrases like "... she drowned".

And so the probable causes of the disaster, there may be the following -
1. The attack on board.
2. Shot down from the ground. Missile or electronic warfare (aircraft without direct control with EMDS)
3. Failure of materiel with destruction in the air.
4. Third-party interference in the work of avionics. As it became known recently, all Western airliners can be taken under ground control by certain structures of "developed democracies".

[I am Russian]

News from the militia of New Russia
31.10.15/XNUMX/XNUMX Urgent message from journalists.

"ISIS terrorists claimed responsibility for the Russian plane crash in Egypt. Islamic State militants claimed responsibility for the Russian passenger plane crash in Egypt, Agence France-Presse reports. Reuters reports that the terrorists' Twitter is spreading a message stating that a group linked to ISIS claimed responsibility.

A statement about this was also made on the Aamaq website, which is a semi-official ISIS news agency.

Recall, the Kogalymavia Airbus-321 airliner, operating flight 9268 Sharm El Sheikh - St. Petersburg, left Egypt at 6:21 Moscow time and disappeared from the radar screens after 23 minutes. At the port of the aircraft were 217 passengers and 7 crew members. Later, the wreckage of the aircraft was discovered in the foothills 100 km from El Arish in the north of Sinai.

Most likely, this information is an attempt by terrorists to "increase their authority."

A Russian airliner crashed in Egypt, fell vertically, which led to the burning of large parts of the aircraft, said a representative in the Egyptian security service from the scene of an emergency.

“The airliner fell vertically, leading to the burning of its large parts,” Reuters said in a statement.

According to the Egyptian Ministry of Civil Aviation, the A321 flight KGL9268 took off from Sharm el-Sheikh to St. Petersburg on Saturday at 5.51 am (6.51 GMT). He disappeared from radar 23 minutes after takeoff. Onboard there were 217 passengers and seven crew members. The Sinai administration previously clarified that the plane crashed in the central part of the Sinai in the mountains between the areas of El Kantal and El Laxim near the city of El Hasna. According to Egyptian authorities, no one survived the plane crash. "

[Zavr]

News from the militia of New Russia
31.10.15/XNUMX/XNUMX Urgent message from journalists.

And how are they here? Or are the journalists of the "volunteer corps" from Turkey already reporting? Maybe enough PR for deaths?

[BARKHAN]

But what, Mishanya? The woman covers up, swallows drugs, hid from the court ... but she still gets the grandmother for that, beautiful! Only now, it may happen that they drag our Mishanya like a lascivious cat, and castrate ... And if it turns out that this is his handiwork, then he must be torn alive into pieces ...
And no one will remind me why our paratroopers stopped near Tbilisi in 2008? Why was Saak not caught and was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of our peacekeepers? By the way, Russian citizens! Maybe we are reaping the benefits of our softness? Or the softness of Medvedev?

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

just the sympathy of a relative and the dead, can not be expressed?

[Russian Moldavian]

Censors rejoice on the censor, and there 17 children and about 200 people died. MY SPARK OF CONDOLENCES TO CLOSE AND RELATIVES !!!!!! THE SOUL HURTS AND THE HEART IS CRYING !!!!!

[jaguar]

My condolences to my family ... I went to the censor now and looked at the comments: you are not creatures, you are worse than any filth

[Vadivak]

Quote: jaguar

Ukrainians you are not creatures you are worse than any filth

What does the Ukrainians have to do with it? Don’t you know who leaves such comments?
Here is the help for you
The Ukrainian information site "Censor.Net" is the property of a well-known political as well as statesman - Turchinov.
And according to the certificate of nationality of his father in 1909, who was a prisoner in captivity while serving in the 447 punitive battalion, he is Russian if that.

Ukrainians I removed, scum has no nationality

[wasjasibirjac]

Quote: Vadivak

Ukrainians I removed, scum has no nationality

Ukrainians are not a nationality, but a way of thinking

[sherp2015]

Quote: Vadivak

What does the Ukrainians have to do with it? Don’t you know who leaves such comments?
Here is the help for you
The Ukrainian information site "Censor.Net" is the property of a well-known political as well as statesman - Turchinov.
And according to the certificate of nationality of his father in 1909, who was a prisoner in captivity while serving in the 447 punitive battalion, he is Russian if that.

Ukrainians I removed, scum has no nationality

In fact, I read somewhere that the real name of Turchina is Kogan ...
Purely "Russian" ...

[Coconut Tima]

Quote: Russian Moldovan

On the censor, the creatures rejoice, and there 17 children and about 200 people died

I went to the censor - the feeling of plunging into!

[Zavr]

Well, actually the same thing happened on Russian resources when Il and Boeing were shot down, so why are you surprised? boomerang has not been canceled yet

[sh1749]

Now I read the censor, there are NO words !!! CATTLES rejoice, but God is their judge. MY MOST SPARK OF CONDOLENCY !!!!! KEEP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Truth]

Quote: Russian Moldovan

On the censor, the creatures rejoice

You look at rambler ...
A flock of scum mock at the grief of people, shit whips streams ...
The keyboard troops of the country of 404 went on the attack.

[skifd]

Quote: Russian Moldovan

On censor critters rejoice

I offer a link to the publication, it shows who is happy .. And "our" bbl there is ...

# Kogalym AVIA. People. And nonhumans.

http://yudenich.ru/content/kogalymavia-lyudi-i-nelyudi

[BARKHAN]

Thank you, I read the link. I will not swear. I really say, if the Lord wants to punish, it deprives the mind. With one catch, EVIDENCE!
But the most important thing that killed me on the spot ... "Moscow clubs will not close on Halloween because of a plane crash."

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: MIKHAN

You don’t intimidate anyway ...

Mihan, do you have any conscience left? Or drank it all? Hundreds of people have sorrow, and you throw shit.

[Baikonur]

Oh how cunning! We ALL of course condole! moreover, it is our blood and flesh! But the reasons are also expressed here!
The caricature fully describes EVERYTHING happening now (and for a long time) in the world! And there is a place in it for professors and adherents of your Higher School of Economics (type) (Moscow), LOCAL LIBERASES!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: MIKHAN

You don’t intimidate anyway ...

Mihan, do you have any conscience left? Or drank it all? Hundreds of people have sorrow, and you throw shit.

Yes, you are probably right .. Here are just condolences, you will be tortured to write! A new stage of confrontation begins ... Nobody wants to negotiate directly with Russia ... They start shooting down "boengs"! So Aron, we are on opposite sides of the trench! Excuse me ..

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: MIKHAN

... They are starting to shoot down "boengs"! So Aron, we are on opposite sides of the trench! Excuse me ..

Are you sure you shot down? What is not a technical accident? Why drive the wave?
Well, and about the trenches, so your front line is far from our borders.

[33 Watcher]

Aron, calmly. These are paranoid statements. There are a million versions. And the Egyptians do not yet confirm that this is the plane.
We have to wait ... And now I apologize for the compatriots.

[Baikonur]

Again - Akhedzhakova! ("Forgive us")
For what?! For which

paranoid statements

No one says that the Israelis or the Americans or anyone else shot down this plane!
They spoke about the "world" order, "which at least indirectly affects SIMILAR cases! So what?
In many other articles, more than 90% of comments are NOT ON THEME AT ALL! THESE ISOTHERS THERE "RULE, DISCUSS!
HERE IS ONE ON STING, COMPASSION, COMPASSION HAD PUSHED AND ALREADY JUMPED WITH SOPLES, SORRY! THERE ARE MORNING, DO NOT DISEASE! WE ARE NOT WITH THEM, WE ARE GOOD, FORGIVE US!

Already .... !!!

[33 Watcher]

Where did you see the snot? Did you enjoy listening to the accusations against you from Ukraine right after the Malaysian board disaster? Here. I'm just trying to be objective, and warn us all against likening the public with the Censor. And about paranoia, I understand have suffered a lot lately, sometimes he wedges himself, but I fight with her, and I urge you ...

[Baikonur]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Are you sure you shot down?

Quote: Observer 33

Did you enjoy listening to the accusations against you from Ukraine right after the Malaysian board disaster?

Well, damn it! Well, not about this, today's SAME Boeing speech! AND!
Why cherish something!
I repeat (minsUIT)

No one says that the Israelis or the Americans or anyone else shot down this plane!
They spoke about the "world" order ", which at least indirectly, if not directly affects

for the worse on the WORLD
Already about the Malaysian board over the urkainoi, I think EVERYBODY CLEARS (WITHOUT a 1,5-year "investigation" "THESE", about whom MIKHAN said and posted a caricature!

[Asadullah]

What is not a technical accident?

That is the question. Here, the results of experts will not be secret. I fully admit that the owners of the board, as usual, were greedy for something. My opinion, for this it is necessary to attract as a deliberate murder.

[Simple]

Quote: Asadullah

for such it is necessary to attract as for intentional murder.

It won't be enough

With a comment vladimirZ (upstream) totally agree.

Quote: vladimirZ

The problem in our aviation, rather, not even in the leadership, but in the organization of civil aviation in Russia.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, and about the trenches, so your front line is far from our borders.

Aron, is there any information from Israeli air services?
Are there any comments?

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, and about the trenches, so your front line is far from our borders.

Aron, is there any information from Israeli air services?
Are there any comments?

Well, what kind of comments can be in hot pursuit. And so, at the request of Egypt, ours immediately raised a reconnaissance aircraft in order to find the scene of the accident. They offered any help. That's all for now.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

And so, at the request of Egypt, ours immediately raised a reconnaissance aircraft in order to find the scene of the accident. They offered any help. That's all for now.

Thank you.
And for the help offered.
And for coverage of events!

[33 Watcher]

Thanks for the help!

[atalef]

A military aircraft of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) assisted Egyptian rescuers in locating the crash site of a Russian plane traveling from Sharm el-Sheikh to St. Petersburg with 224 passengers and crew on board. He crashed this morning, October 31.

In addition, Israel offered Egypt and Russia additional assistance in accordance with the needs of rescuers.



"This morning, the Israel Defense Forces assisted the search by dispatching a reconnaissance aircraft. Russia and Egypt are also offered further assistance if the need arises," the army press service said.

Judging by the latest information, the Russian plane completely crashed, there were no survivors.

He fell in the south of El Arish, 105 km from the Israeli city of Eilat.

[Neksel]

Quote: stalkerwalker

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Well, and about the trenches, so your front line is far from our borders.

Aron, is there any information from Israeli air services?
Are there any comments?

On the "debka" they put up an article that the plane was shot down by a missile by the Iglovites.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Neksel

On the "debka" they put up an article that the plane was shot down by a missile by the Iglovites.

This tragedy is an excellent "food" for Russian "partners" ...
Speculators on death from the media right now perk up.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Neksel

On the "debka" they put up an article that the plane was shot down by a missile by the Iglovites.

in Israel the word Debka has long been associated with the word "jaundice". It's a sump.

[miru mir]

Dybke believe-do not respect yourself.

[atalef]

Quote: Neksel

On the "debka" they put up an article that the plane was shot down by a missile by the Iglovites.

Debka - you know - it's Debka.
Tomorrow they will write that the plane was shot down by Buk, who was delivered to ISIS by Bandera.

[Neksel]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Neksel

On the "debka" they put up an article that the plane was shot down by a missile by the Iglovites.

Debka - you know - it's Debka.
Tomorrow they will write that the plane was shot down by Buk, who was delivered to ISIS by Bandera.

With all this, they have repeatedly and exclusively truthful publications. For example, on the sale of "mistrals" to Egypt - they were the first in the country to publish.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: MIKHAN

... They are starting to shoot down "boengs"! So Aron, we are on opposite sides of the trench! Excuse me ..

Are you sure you shot down? What is not a technical accident? Why drive the wave?
Well, and about the trenches, so your front line is far from our borders.

Our trenches are already close ... But they will start to bring down, undermine the peaceful ...! You’re just not quite up to date with Aron! (Your war, compared to our little flower ..)))

[Dali]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

Are you sure you shot down? What is not a technical accident? Why drive the wave?

Well, and your colleagues write a little different:

Quote: Aron Zaavi

The Israeli site walla.co.il published that the plane gained speed 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h and at the same time lost contact.

not an expert, but it seems that such a sharp loss of speed and communication leads to a version of the instant destruction of the aircraft.

[Dali]

Yes, I made a mistake ... it's not you, but your colleague:

Quote: Maki Avellevich

The Israeli site walla.co.il published that the plane gained speed 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h and at the same time lost contact.

not an expert, but it seems that such a sharp loss of speed and communication leads to a version of the instant destruction of the aircraft.

[Dali]

By the way, 24 were transmitted across Russia - Flight radar confirms.

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

And my genes "twisted into a knot" ... And I feel that this is only the beginning! This method is known among the devils!

You don’t intimidate anyway ...

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Quote: MIKHAN

... They are starting to shoot down "boengs"! So Aron, we are on opposite sides of the trench! Excuse me ..

Are you sure you shot down? What is not a technical accident? Why drive the wave?
Well, and about the trenches, so your front line is far from our borders.

Let's not get a dog right now and wait for the official version
investigation.
The main thing is that the black boxes would not be sent to Holland.

[gridasov]

You are absolutely right that normal people under the banners of any countries are normal.

[Andrey77]

100%. 2 engine at the same time do not fail. Empty tank?

[atalef]

Quote: Andrey77

100%. 2 engine at the same time do not fail. Empty tank?

Come out

Fire covered all engines. Suddenly, one of them, momentarily increasing speed, stalled. Pilots immediately turned it off. The Boeing 747 was located at an altitude of 11000 meters. But in less than a few minutes, the other three engines also died out.
Captain: The other three engines shut off almost instantly. The situation has become very serious. We had four engines running and in a minute and a half not a single one remainedb.
The plane had a large supply of fuel, but for some unknown reason, all the engines stalled. The crew began to send a distress signal. The engines did not supply traction, and the 9 flight began to fall from the sky. The co-pilot tried to report an emergency situation to Jakarta, but the controllers hardly heard it.
Read more at: http://avia.pro/blog/otkaz-vseh-dvigateley-boeing-747-british-airways-1982

[Simple]

Quote: Andrey77

100%. 2 engine at the same time do not fail. Empty tank?

Airbus A400M (disaster in Spain) crashed precisely because of the failure of three engines at once.

Before departure, they made an update to the control system for each of the three engines.
As a result, a disaster due to software errors (algorithmic,
runtime errors, syntax?).

[arane]

Peehan, do not go too far! There is no trench between us and them, and thank God! (I'm talking about Aaron Zaavi)
I just got from the censor ........
Remember, recently NATO f18 crashed? Here everyone was happy that the pilot remained alive .....

It seems that something human was stolen from the Ukrainians ......

[Buffalo]

Conscience?!
Remember your conscience when your planes and shells fly into Syria.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: Bison

Remember about conscience when ...

Do you really think that this topic is the most suitable for bickering? But Aron is right!
There is a suitable place for everything, but not for bickering. Meaningless. And he alone (Aron) is not guilty of what the authorities of his country are doing.

[Observer2014]

Aircraft, passenger in 90%, crash during landing and take-off .And at altitude, in 90% of cases due to external influences (if it is shot down) or as a result of a terrorist attack.

[Penetrator]

Quote: Observer2014

90% of cases due to external influences (if they bring him down) or as a result of a terrorist attack.

That's just how this board got into the remaining 10%, it seems. Well, nafig - you need to rest only in Russia and with railway travel. We do not need Turkish coast and we do not need Africa.

[Penetrator]

By the way, the fun of the witty - how come, the so-called Skalsky plane fell! Already poems are written like this:
It was snowing in the morning in Bydlohrad
Near the coast of Egypt there was a fallfall.
Fell there from the sky cattle
What led a drunk pilot.
Wide female dogs rejoice! Ducks, damn it, nothing human .. Do you think anyone will bring flowers, candles and soft toys to the Russian embassy in Kiev?
PS You can safely deny the poetic, I will take a hit on svidomitami myself.

[vorobey]

Quote: Penetrator

I will take a hit on Svidomo

in vain ...

[Penetrator]

Quote: vorobey

in vain ...

What's "in vain"? That once again gave you to make sure that part of the population there are complete moral degenerates?

[Vadivak]

Quote: Penetrator

that there part of the population are full of moral degenerates?

Offer us there too? First, start to hate everything Ukrainian? And then after all, we will begin to burn Gogol and Taras Shevchenko, this is a chain reaction, as it already was. Let time have fun throwing stones and time collecting stones ....

[Penetrator]

Quote: Vadivak

Offer us there too? First, start to hate everything Ukrainian

No way! You just need to remember this when the Ukrainians, once again crap, scream about the "brotherly Russian people." I believe this time will come soon. Do not forget and do not expose your back to such "brothers".

[Lelek]

Quote: Penetrator

What once again gave you to make sure that there part of the population are full of moral degenerates?

The other day they called their classmates in Kiev. They graduated from college together, served together, met annually on the graduation day of the college under the Admiralty’s steeple and on you — solid mothers addressed to us (invaders, nonhumans, trash, my ... me, etc.) And they receive a military pension, among others, from us. Well, after the first minute of howling from that side, we disconnected. Here are such things. It’s clear that they didn’t start calling in Ivano-Frankivsk.

[vorobey]

Quote: Penetrator

Quote: vorobey

in vain ...

What's "in vain"? That once again gave you to make sure that part of the population there are complete moral degenerates?

in vain do you take someone else's ... you pay them for it ... there are three Ukrainian citizens on board ...

[Buffalo]

Nothing! Every dog ​​has his day.
Bandera we still remember this. Fortunately, everything is recorded on the Internet.

[veteran66]

Quote: Penetrator

Do you think anyone will bring flowers, candles and soft toys to the Russian embassy in Kiev?

Already bear ....

[BARKHAN]

I had to read a lot of things with them today ... Geeks. I will not swear! I need to send all this scribbling to the Kremlin so that they do not sell more about the "brotherly people" ... It's like telling a maniac about ethics ... it's useless and stupid ...

[lelikas]

Quote: Penetrator

Well, nafig - you need to rest only in Russia and with railway travel. We do not need Turkish coast and we do not need Africa.

Type of train Yekaterinburg - Adler?
Damn, the fall began again ...... The morning began with the call of all vacationers ...
Eternal memory to the fallen.

[Observer2014]

Penetrator
You’re a colleague who’s very fast about 10%. Can’t you find this? Personally, I have a vague doubt about this.

[veksha50]

Quote: Observer2014

And on top

A series of "accidents" ...

One Malaysian Boeing disappeared ... The second fell from the sky of Donbass ... Now our "passenger" is in the sky of Egypt, and in an area controlled by some anti-government militants ...

It remains only to express condolences to the relatives and hope that this incident is an unfortunate, unforeseen accident ...

[Ezhaak]

Quote: veksha50

Now our "passenger" is in the sky of Egypt, and in an area controlled by some anti-government militants ...

Sorry, but that immediately after takeoff, the pilot began to complain about the engine, you have not heard. You have no idea that the aircraft commander requested an emergency landing in Cairo, I was hoping to get there. Why talk about something that you don’t really know?

[veksha50]

Quote: Hedgehog

Why talk about something that you don’t really know?

Hedgehog, but what, my last phrase to read the lack of time was ???

Or pulling phrases out of context and interpreting them in their own way is a sign of good upbringing and reliable awareness ???

PS Excuse me, but did you read a lot of contradictory, unconfirmed news that immediately surfaced on news feeds ??? So who do you blame for false information - me or the media ???

[Ezhaak]

Quote: veksha50

So who do you blame for false information - me or the media ???

The one who wrote:

A series of "accidents" ...

[Vadim237]

Failure of one engine does not matter for an aircraft with two engines of increased power.

[Andrey77]

No problem. The destruction of the airframe - but this is only a terrorist attack.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: veksha50

moreover, in an area controlled by some anti-government militants ...

The Sinai Peninsula is completely controlled by government forces.

[avt]

Quote: Observer2014

A.A at a height, in 90% of cases due to external influences (if it is knocked down) or as a result of a terrorist attack.

Quote: INVESTOR

They wrote an old airplane, for more than 20 years, there could well be a technology failure.

18 years passed, like Lebanon, then Turkey, then Kogalymavia .... well, and if you recall that small air carriers bought at one time sold to China and flew there Tu -154 .... In short - from 9000 meters - the smallest it could be removed there either by very specific air defense, which only Egypt and Israel have, or by an act of sabotage during maintenance, but it’s very likely that the aircraft of a low-budget, charter company simply had to refuse equipment, which you just need to close. My condolences to the relatives of those whose loved ones died in a catastrophe, who perished in the kingdom of heaven, may the Lord rest their Souls. To the slappers that rejoice in the deaths of peaceful, innocent citizens, and especially children I wish all that they rejoice in double size, I'm not greedy , let fate and rock be measured even in triple.

[Andrey77]

To bring down such a fool from one MANPADS is unrealistic. The attack comes out.

[79807420129]

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

I feel sorry for the people, let the land rest in peace for them, to our relatives sincerely our condolences, 224 people of sorrow. I will figure it out, I think the reason I hope.

[vovanpain]

Lord, if it is so sincerely sympathizing with all the relatives of the victims, let the earth rest in peace for the lost, we grieve for you, but hope dies last painfully contradictory information in the morning.

[INVESTOR]

They wrote an old airplane, for more than 20 years, there could well be a technology failure. Eternal memory to the fallen.

[Andrey77]

2 engines SIMULTANEOUSLY? On a regular flight?

[Ilnarturk]

What was said ???

[dr.star75]

Yes, nafik. I do not believe that they shot down.

[Starley from the south]

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

Unlikely. For MANPADS, the plane went too high - 9 km, if it was shot down with an air-to-air missile (by the way, what is the firing range of such missiles from our potential ... partners?), Then the fighter could detect the air defense of Egypt. The launch of a ground-to-air missile to destroy ballistic targets would not have gone unnoticed either. The use of electronic warfare systems would not have gone unnoticed either, although I strongly doubt the availability of such effective means from our "partners".

[Andrey77]

The attack. Do not go to the grandmother.

[BARKHAN]

I leave the topic. Erasing the unknown to at least some kind of official conclusions is useless.

[Tor5]

Eternal memory and earth rest in peace to the fallen ....

[Dr dron]

Remove the photo of Aeroflot from the article.

METROJET EI-ETJ A321

My condolences...

[Dr dron]

Aircraft data

[Dr dron]

In which airlines and when was it operated?

[Observer2014]

16-00 we make the first conclusion.
Suddenly, a Russian plane with Russians on board disappeared from the radar screens. Not one, it was just one media in the world that didn’t blame that the attack was possible or it was shot down, for example, the Israelis. Question, why?
Now remember the Boeing last summer over the Donbass!

[Homo]

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

Hardly! This is an "overripe" problem with midget airlines! They have no money for repairs, maintenance, or new (original) parts. So we have what we have!

[avt]

Quote: Homo

This is an "overripe" problem with midget airlines! They have no money for repairs, maintenance, or new (original) parts. So we have what we have!

YES!!! Just remember what howl rose when these hell / chart with one plane raised the bar to have at least 5 airplanes! Just howled - strangling business? Oh wei - there will be unemployed people and all the transportation will get up! Truly, the teachings of Marx / Levy are immortal, because it is true - there is no crime that the capitalist would not have committed at 300% profit!

[Rus2012]

Quote: Homo

nor on new (original) spare parts.

... here from this place, please, in more detail.
Where is it on super-reliable liberal planes burned "neoriginal" deliver?
Uncle Vasya garage in the West are not found, or kaG?

[Styx]

Sorry to wedge in, and perhaps this version has already been sent here, but I leafed through as much as I could - I could not find it. She herself just copied it, I just throw it over here, for no reason .....
--------------------------------------
"... By the way, it was mentioned somewhere that this particular car" caught the tail-strike "10-15 years ago.
And there was a similar case (even in a series about investigating plane crashes, such a plot was removed) when somewhere in the vastness of China's China (either the Reds, or the Chiang Kai-shek people), after a poor-quality repair, the consequences of this made themselves felt almost 20 years later (and people died) .31 / 10/2015 [22:01:12] "

"The crash of a Boeing 747 over the Taiwan Strait is a plane crash that occurred on May 25, 2002. A China Airlines Boeing 747-209B, which was flying CI 611 (call sign Dynasty 611) on the Taipei-Hong Kong route, fell into the Taiwan Strait, falling apart back in All 225 people on board were killed.
On February 7, 1980, 22 years before the crash, while landing at the Hong Kong airport, the plane hit the runway with its tail. Subsequently, the tail section was repaired and the aircraft continued to operate. "
From "Fontanka"

-----------------------------------

The kingdom of heaven to the lost .......

[Vladimyrych]

Who writes what. That "fell-disappeared" something like dispatchers in Turkey got in touch with him. Whom to believe then?

If the plane really died - people feel sorry. May the earth, as they say, rest in peace.

I'm not sure that the "partners" are so stubborn as to shoot down a civilian plane of a nuclear power. You don’t have to make the guys run wild.

It seems like an online broadcast of events with Airbas ...
http://cont.ws/post/141552

If something excuse me for not accuracy

[Hairy Siberian]

Something on your photo does not say "Kogalymavia" at all.

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Something on your photo does not say "Kogalymavia" at all.

already read, deleted - written like Astana - I apologize.

[Lord of the Sith]

Photo of a Kazakhstan airliner.

[Rebus]

This is a photo of a Boeing 777 crash in San Francisco.
http://topwar.ru/30537-katastrofa-boeing-777-v-san-francisko-foto.html

[veksha50]

Quote: Vladimir

I'm not sure if the "partners" are so hard enough to shoot down a civilian aircraft of a nuclear power

These "partners" are so stubborn that you can expect anything from them ... Have you forgotten the phrase of either Kerry or Carter that soon Russian planes will fall from the sky ???

They paid the Bashibuzuks, provided weapons, and they themselves remained on the sidelines ...

[APASUS]

Quote: Vladimir

Who writes what. That "fell-disappeared" something like dispatchers in Turkey got in touch with him. Whom to believe then?

Already I think there is really no doubt that he fell

[APASUS]

Today I read at the local forum, the two dead from our city ........ Condolences

[vorobey]

media write that the crew complained about the engine In Sharm El Sheikh ...

[SRC P-15]

Quote: vorobey

media write that the crew complained about the engine In Sharm El Sheikh ...

There is another version:
"Shortly before disappearing from the radar, the Russian plane requested a landing at a nearby airport. Sources at the Cairo International Airport said that the airliner was at an altitude of over 9000 meters when the ship's commander contacted the dispatchers and requested a landing due to a radio breakdown. After that, the connection was lost."

[Dart2027]

First a communication problem, and then an accident? Strange coincidence.

[SSR]

Quote: vorobey

media write that the crew complained about the engine In Sharm El Sheikh ...

Kogalym air, about 5 serious incidents over 5 years, 3 accidents, one of which is under the control of another company.
S7 about 5 serious for 15 years of them ......
In general, small companies, in pursuit of profit, fly airplanes to the accumulation of the maximum number of "problems" ... Maybe SSI will go to the forum.
PS
Transaero was not the cheapest and largest company, but it was an order of magnitude better than all the kogalyms and other aviation ... Even the daughters of Aeroflot .... (Although the daughter herself).

[avt]

Quote from S.S.R.

Kogalym air, about 5 serious incidents over 5 years, 3 accidents, one of which is under the control of another company.

As a keepsake - it was at this company that the Tu-154 was burning on the strip in Russia

Quote from S.S.R.

In general, small companies, in pursuit of profit, fly airplanes until the maximum number of "problems" accumulates ...

Not companies, but compasses, the same Kogalymavia had only five aircraft.

[dr.star75]

I’m certainly not a complete proletariat. But such events make me wonder: maybe not everything needs to be transferred to private hands? Maybe Lenin was right: the small private owner, the main state

[SSR]

Quote: dr.star75

I’m certainly not a complete proletariat. But such events make me wonder: maybe not everything needs to be transferred to private hands? Maybe Lenin was right: the small private owner, the main state

And just think .... After the collapse of the USSR, how many republics appeared .... So all our kogalym air ... Disasters more than all the Republics taken together !!!! Private and small companies in the Russian Federation have reduced our aviation to the level of "Honduras". Statistics.

[dr.star75]

yes I understand everything

[Bayun]

A private trader is simply not able to properly handle a serious international route: airplanes, sea vessels, etc. There, the Foreign Ministry needs to involve both the special services and "partners". The private owner simply does not have such potential.

[Bayonet]

Quote: vorobey

media write that the crew complained about the engine In Sharm El Sheikh ...

12:46 Source: Egyptian services did not inspect the collapsed A321 before departure
Egyptian engineering services at Sharm el-Sheikh airport did not inspect the Russian airliner of the Kogalymavia company.
Inspection of the vessel, according to him, was carried out by engineers of the Russian carrier company.
"Our services at the airport did not inspect this liner. This airline has its own engineers who fly and independently inspect their aircraft," a source told RIA Novosti.

[vorobey]

Quote: Bayonet

Quote: vorobey

media write that the crew complained about the engine In Sharm El Sheikh ...

12:46 Source: Egyptian services did not inspect the collapsed A321 before departure
Egyptian engineering services at Sharm el-Sheikh airport did not inspect the Russian airliner of the Kogalymavia company.
Inspection of the vessel, according to him, was carried out by engineers of the Russian carrier company.
"Our services at the airport did not inspect this liner. This airline has its own engineers who fly and independently inspect their aircraft," a source told RIA Novosti.

Eyewitnesses reported that the plane was still burning in the air. Http://izvestia.ru/news/594546

Read on: http://izvestia.ru/news/594546#ixzz3q9IpbmLB

[Rus2012]

the crew complained about the engine in Sharm El Sheikh

... anhidritvoumayat, there is such a concept, "Regulations" is called, which lists all the malfunctions or failures in which flights are allowed. If they go beyond the limits, the flights are not made, otherwise the tour!
And nowhere and never heard that someone violated it ...

[Armored optimist]

Coalition? They can’t take the DRYS, they have filled up the bobik?

[pv1005]

Quote: armored optimist

Coalition? They can’t take the DRYS, they have filled up the bobik?

What are you dear about? Or a glimpse of consciousness after Friday night?

[Bayonet]

Quote: pv1005

Or a glimpse of consciousness after Friday night?

It seems that everything is much more serious there ...

[Armored optimist]

Already there were statements on various channels about the possibility of a terrorist attack. What do you not understand then?
Or do you see devils in the corners? Or did the word bobby outrage you? It's to blame, there is an airbus, so it’s not a bobby but a watermelon. Jargon in airlines like that.

[pv1005]

Quote: armored optimist

Already there were statements on various channels about the possibility of a terrorist attack. What do you not understand then?
Or do you see devils in the corners? Or did the word bobby outrage you? It's to blame, there is an airbus, so it’s not a bobby but a watermelon. Jargon in airlines like that.

So who is to blame, terrorists or technology? You already decide on one option.
The site is attended by representatives of many professions, and if everyone starts talking in jargon (and some people use a hairdryer), then we get the "Tower of Babel". Speak in a language understandable to everyone, well, or the majority, no one will say a word to you.

[Armored optimist]

Am I somewhere on the technique? Can you read? In the message you did not like the two question marks. An assumption is made, not a statement. By the way ONE !, not two. There is nothing to be determined.
And after that, you say, about my hard Friday?
For the rest of the ministers, what did you dislike about the assumption that the coalition was involved in the disaster? Did I say something immoral or unpatriotic? Or was it expressed by 20 American defenders? Then I am proud that I spat in their souls.

[avvg]

People feel sorry for those killed in the plane crash. Let the earth rest in peace.

[Dr. Livesey]

Again trouble. How sorry for the people. There are probably no survivors ...

[Hairy Siberian]

Here they write that the missing plane got in touch:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2681614&tid=108965

[kil 31]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

Here they write that the missing plane got in touch:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2681614&tid=108965

I don’t understand either. Some say they are collecting debris. Others that he flies. Let's hope that it flies and flies.

[TT62]

Freedom of the media, whoever wants to write something. Cattle on the mountain Babos earn.

[sds87]

Already some stuffing went. There is chatting all over the media. One "expert" says one thing, another another. Only one thing is clear - you can't grasp the truth. Official version only ...

[Mountain shooter]

It was at an altitude of 9000 meters. From MANPADS - not get it. We need something more serious. Yes, and there was a failure of the equipment, requested a landing. Awful of all this, people from leisure flew. My condolences to family and friends.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

It was at an altitude of 9000 meters. From MANPADS - not get it. We need something more serious. Yes, and there was a failure of the equipment, requested a landing. Awful of all this, people from leisure flew. My condolences to family and friends.

Yeah. Woe Condolences to all the relatives of the victims.

[Andrey77]

Inside it exploded. Then stone down. A black box will show. This is definitely not MANPADS.

[tomket]

Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.

[tomket]

Intersno, howling and wringing hands about the fact that we are flying on European trash from the liberals hear ???

[kepmor]

Quote: tomket

Intersno, howling and wringing hands about the fact that we are flying on European trash from the liberals hear ???

Of course, HEAR! But not in this country and not in this life!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Will hear. Here. Tomorrow.

[33 Watcher]

Necessarily! And we will also hear that this is certainly a terrorist attack, and Putin is to blame for his "invasion" of Syria. Yes, they burn in hell, let them carry what they want. The kingdom of heaven to the lost, and God grant the relatives the strength to survive ... God grant us all.

[Denis Skiff]

Quote: Observer2014

Aircraft, passenger in 90%, crash during landing and take-off .And at altitude, in 90% of cases due to external influences (if it is shot down) or as a result of a terrorist attack.

[Old26]

Quote: Dr. Livesey

Again trouble. How sorry for the people. There are probably no survivors ...

The Egyptians say that it seems like not. And guys, well, let's not at least fool around in such sad news: they shot down, let's take dryers. There was a plane crash, people died, and some of the guilty were appointed ...

My condolences to family and friends ...

[sabakina]

About 40 minutes ago, on autoradio, I heard the news that the crew got in touch. If you find the wreckage, then who got in touch?

[tomket]

Quote: sabakina

40 minutes ago on autoradio I heard the news that the crew got in touch

Apparently autoradio and got into touch. In general, now the quality of the media leaves much to be desired, and therefore such strange news appears ....

[sabakina]

By the way, I like Avtoradio less and less, in terms of political orientation. Makar sings songs there, comes to the studio ...

[roskot]

It is not yet clear. We will wait for the news.

[Mihail55]

If all true, condolences to those close to you. Everlasting memory!

[Vadim237]

All the same, the plane crashed.

[Abakan]

Quote: Vladimir

I'm not sure that the "partners" are so stubborn as to shoot down a civilian plane of a nuclear power. You don’t have to make the guys run wild.

they are not stubborn but stupid creatures
!

[cte power]

why is there an aeroflot airplane in the photo?

[Diviz]

While we will fly on imported equipment there will be no one to kick at. How could a plane disappear without an emergency. That he was hit by a UFO.

[sabakina]

Are there pilots among us?

[sabakina]

And for what a minus? I wanted to ask those who fly / flew, what do flyers do in an emergency?

[Stas57]

I put a minus.

from 5 of your comments there is not one expressing condolences

Quote: sabakina

Are there pilots among us?

Quote: sabakina

And for what a minus? I wanted to ask those who fly / flew, what do flyers do in an emergency?

Quote: sabakina

By the way, I like Avtoradio less and less, in terms of political orientation. Makar sings songs there, comes to the studio ...

Quote: sabakina

If your handouts are correct, then I also ask why the crew did not have time to turn on the SOS?

people died, children died, and you came here to fool about, discuss the versions and try autoradio.
rotten man ...

[sabakina]

STAS 57 .... My mom's name is Nadezhda. Hope dies last. What did you accuse me of? I want to believe until the end that I'm alive !!! As with the "Kursk" !!! Minus you from me !!!

[sabakina]

Well, who put the minus? You were there? Passports issued? Debris filmed on camera? You can minus, but I will believe!
And off topic. It is interesting to compare the place of the fall1 ... Well, you yourself know what ...

[Stas57]

condolences.



and I beg you, all the sofa experts from aviation do not dance on their bones and do not put forth delusions with regards to the reason.
have advice ...

[Stas57]

oh, sorry, they removed that branch where one activist did not care about the dead

wanted to poke him in a nickel so that he told them
Photos before boarding the 9268 flight. The woman took a picture of her husband and child, signed: “Goodbye, Egypt. We are flying home ”

once again condolences

[beer-youk]

The blessed memory of the innocent martyrs and condolences to their loved ones.

[shoe]

Who could fly from Egypt at this time? I was going to work. No pity!

[Bijo]

Quote: bashmak

Who could fly from Egypt at this time? I was going to work. No pity!

You are sick ? or just m.r.a.s. Those flew who were able to take a vacation at this time, and if they crashed when you were on vacation, for example, in July, then you feel sorry? People flew, your compatriots died, so what are you going to work for, that you make a great feat - do you go to work? How old are you zh.i.v.o.t.no.e?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bijo

You are sick ? or just m.r.a.s.

He’s just a shoe ... and that’s it.

[veksha50]

Quote: Bijo

Those flew who were able to take a vacation at this time

And, by the way, far from rich people ... Oligarchs in ancient watermelons do not fly to Egypt to rest ...

[moskowit]

Are you serious? Is there really not a drop of compassion in you?

[Stas57]

I propose to ask the administration to be banned here, you have confused the resource with the censor and the ear of the matzi; everything is hanging out there

Quote: bashmak

bashmak (2) Today, 12: 31
Who could fly from Egypt at this time? I was going to work. No pity!

sincerely it is a pity that parents did not put simple thoughts into their heads, well, maybe even life is driving them into it ...

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Stas57

I propose to ask the administration to be banned here, you have confused the resource with the censor and the ear of the matzi; everything is hanging out there

SUPPORT!

[Bekas1967]

Stake him in the opera drive ...

[sds87]

I feel sorry for the people around you. Such selfishness has turned you into a moral monster.

[kepmor]

You G.N.I. D.A. accidentally "plyusanul !! VERY SORRY that I personally cannot give you in your disgusting X, A, R, YU!

[Rader]

Come on gentlemen! Maybe a man and the truth sick. So you can bring a person to suicide (this is quite serious). And here Stas57 business says there is such a thing as Report Site Violation. Just similar phrases

Stake him in the opera drive ...

, well ... kind of also "not quite correct"
And to the lost, let the earth be rest in peace for you ...

[chelovektapok]

It is regrettable and tragic! But this is WAR, guys .... Putin two years ago warned: rest at home. Recommendations on abstinence then foreign tourism for security officials and government officials are not casual. Condolences to the relatives of the victims .... Knowledgeable people from the authorities this summer did not recommend that I personally go with my family to the Middle and Middle East, including Turkey. And about the Crimea spoke out clearly possible!

[avt]

Quote: chelovektapok

It is regrettable and tragic! But this is WAR, guys .... Putin two years ago warned: rest at home.

Again

Quote: avt

As a keepsake - it was at this company that the Tu-154 was burning on the strip in Russia

[0255]

Quote: chelovektapok

It is regrettable and tragic! But this is WAR, guys .... Putin two years ago warned: rest at home. Recommendations on abstinence then foreign tourism for security officials and government officials are not casual. Condolences to the relatives of the victims .... Knowledgeable people from the authorities this summer did not recommend that I personally go with my family to the Middle and Middle East, including Turkey. And about the Crimea spoke out clearly possible!

Where is the confidence that the plane was shot down, as if the planes did not fall to the Crimea and Syria ...

[sledge]

Awful Lump in the throat. Condolences to the relatives of the victims

[Bijo]

Quote: Sanya

Awful Lump in the throat. Condolences to the relatives of the victims

Now I need to go to Pulkovo, imagine what’s going on there!

[uralvam]

Everything is clear with this fall. Mathematics:
take-off and climb speed approx. 250 km / h
climb speed approx. 15 m / s
flight duration until disappearance 23 min.
question: at what altitude and distance from the take-off point was the plane?
answer: approx. 5-700 m and 5-800 km
the height of the mountains in the southern Sinai is 2000-2200 m.
the height of Stinger’s defeat according to official TTX is 3m, unofficial 800-5m (fact - Gardez 000 AN-7 per 000m).
Draw your own conclusions ...

[sabakina]

If your handouts are correct, then I also ask why the crew did not have time to turn on the SOS?

[Dali]

Quote: sabakina

If your handouts are correct, then I also ask why the crew did not have time to turn on the SOS?

1) Engine malfunction does not cancel that which could bring down.
2) Engine malfunction may be one of the reasons for the reduction to MANPADS lesions.
3) Already, the flight radar confirmed a sudden drop in speed from 740km to 172km ...

[sabakina]

Your quote:

Engine malfunction not cancel of what they could bring down.

1. I try to check what I wrote.
2.You were there as a "black box" ????

[Dali]

Quote: sabakina

1. I try to check what I wrote.
2.You were there as a "black box" ????

Well, in this case, I wanted to write "does not cancel" - a typo, did not check ...

Was I a black box ?! Those. you do not distinguish the assumption from the statement ?!
So, until there is a decryption, the assumption remains valid.

[sabakina]

I remember, my father went for a jump ... The plane caught fire in the air .... My mom was told about this state of emergency ... My father was called before landing to the authorities ..... I gave my parachute to another .... who is minus me I want to say, there are miracles in this life ....

[Dali]

Quote: sabakina

Those who are minus me want to say, there are miracles in this life ....

With your rating, pay attention to a couple of minuses ... so on the contrary, you need to be happy that your opinion is alive (someone likes it, someone doesn't - it's quite a normal situation).

[sabakina]

Quote: Dali

Quote: sabakina

Those who are minus me want to say, there are miracles in this life ....

With your rating, pay attention to a couple of minuses ... so on the contrary, you need to be happy that your opinion is alive (someone likes it, someone doesn't - it's quite a normal situation).

Thank! For it was ... the whole family was sitting in front of the TV .... And he, my darling father, was sitting in Ivanovo, waiting for loading ....

[Victor1]

I don’t think they shot down:
1. The pilot contacted before the fall and requested a landing in Qatar, i.e. the malfunction was already there and he thought where to sit closer, because in his opinion it was impossible to fly to the destination.
2. There is evidence that the pilots of this aircraft complained about the engines for about a week, but still flew on it.
3. If it was shot down, the debris can be installed.

[Bayonet]

Quote: uralvam

Everything is clear with this fall. Mathematics:

Where do you damn such mathematicians come from? You nevermind that the plane actually went to 9000 thousand! I clicked and everything is clear

[Dali]

Quote: Bayonet

Where do you damn such mathematicians come from? You nevermind that the plane actually went to 9000 thousand! I clicked and everything is clear

We should look at a graph of changes in flight speed - at what altitude was the decrease in speed from 740 to 172 ... maybe 740 was no longer at an altitude of 9000 m (media are actively writing about pilots' complaints about engines) ...

[Dali]

There could be a terrorist attack ... a bomb in the luggage compartment ... I also heard on TV ...

[skazochnik]

It's too early to draw conclusions, be patient.

[KG_patriot_last]

How long will Russians rest in the west when there are many places in the CIS?

[31R-US]

Buy a globe

[skazochnik]

It's too early to draw conclusions, be patient.

[Petrov the son]

We grieve ... I am sorry for the family and friends.

[Oslyabya]

Condolences to all who suffered the loss ...

[Ilya77]

Oh, what a day, two of our aircraft crashed - Mig-31 and now this one ... sincerely sorry for the dead, it’s scary to fly now. They covered Transaero, I mostly flew their airplanes, there were at least less airplanes there, and now someone will start to carry whatever they got ....

[Buffalo]

"Transaero" was ruined by the greed of the leadership. They thoughtlessly bought more and more planes, hoping for an increase in profits, but here it was a bummer, passenger traffic fell. The result is bankruptcy.

[Ilya77]

Quote: Bison

"Transaero" was ruined by the greed of the leadership. They thoughtlessly bought more and more planes, hoping for an increase in profits, but here it was a bummer, passenger traffic fell. The result is bankruptcy.

They at least bought new ones, and this Kogalymavia operates 5-6 boards, in what condition.

[rustyle_nvrsk]

Killed 224 Russians. This is national mourning. Mourn ...

[Victor1]

I don’t understand the civil aviation pilots, they complained about the engine for a week, but still they flew on this trash. After all, you are not carrying wood, but people who, without the slightest idea, in what condition the plane is.
As long as our companies continue to use decommissioned Western trash, such events will periodically occur. But the state should control and give priority in the use of domestic aviation.
It’s a pity for people, they die in whole families because of the mediocrity and greed of all creatures ..

[olegfbi]

It’s possible to understand the pilots, albeit difficult!
They complained about the engine! But in a mess of private airlines they were pressured ... they were forced to fly, most likely under the threat of a fine, deprivation of an award, dismissal with a wolf ticket, etc.
As for the "written off western trash", this is true but not the whole truth! Aircraft move from company to company for a variety of reasons, ranging from the end of the lease to the restructuring of the fleet due to a change in the route network.
The plane was 18 years old! This is not so much, and much older cars fly, and under the flag of VERY respected and well-known airlines.
The problem is not the age of the board, but the timeliness and quality of service and maintenance! And with all sorts of kogalyms ... BIG problem, because they save on everything !!!

THE LAND IN THE FALL OF ALL DIED !!!

[Rusich1980]

I just express my condolences to all the relatives and friends of our fallen compatriots ... May the earth rest in peace ...
And as for the scammers, I’ll say this. They rejoiced at the bombing and mortar shelling of Donbass. We were happy when last year in Donetsk on September XNUMX children were killed by mines falling ... Therefore, there is no surprise that they will make a public holiday with dances and free distribution of cookies on this occasion. If their plane crashed, they would have shouted in all the media that this was the Kremlin’s and GDP’s business. Inhumans, in a word ...

[Ivan Ivanovich]

Accept condolences, there is nothing more to say here ...

[Rigla]

At ukroforumy universal fun

[Vadim237]

They will begin the fun when they begin to search for their relatives participating in the ATO.

[Koshak]

I went to the censor, read the comments on this topic. Fuck, as rummaged in manure. Urgent shower.

[Denis DV]

It’s necessary to go to the censor, to ignore the goats. Do not they need to raise attendance!

[rotmistr60]

Disasters, no matter in which country they occur, always bring only grief. Therefore, condolences to the families and friends of the victims. I hope that this disaster will be sorted out quickly, because the investigation will be conducted by our country with the Egyptian side. And then we'll talk about the reasons.

[gg.na]

At first they write that the plane disappeared .... After they write that they found: http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1559004/ And a little later they again write that fragments of the fallen have already been found the plane! Kaleidoscope of events right there !!!

[Old26]

Quote: Observer2014

Aircraft, passenger in 90%, crash during landing and take-off .And at altitude, in 90% of cases due to external influences (if it is shot down) or as a result of a terrorist attack.

Or de again as a result of a technical malfunction. Engine or control system failure. And the destruction of missiles or terrorist attacks can be counted on the fingers

[Bayonet]

Quote: Old26

Engine or control system failure.

The control systems are duplicated many times, and engine failure is not the cause of the fall - it goes on one and sits normally.

[yan 2015]

My sincere condolences to the families and friends of the victims. A terrible tragedy.

[Old26]

Quote: bashmak

Who could fly from Egypt at this time? I was going to work. No pity!

People, in fact, ours are also. At this resort, oligarchs do not rest

[Bort radist]

Condolences to relatives. May God give strength and hope to the last.

[Paranoid50]

It is sunny in St. Petersburg today, people were going to meet relatives and friends in Pulkovo, but here ... A huge request to all "services": you will sort it out, please !!! Will you just figure it out, OK? !!! ........... Stop, now it was reported that there are survivors !!!

[Cook]

Condolences to the near and dear ones. It is very premature to speak about the causes of the disaster, with such meager data. Usually in the first hours after such an event there is a lot of conflicting information. In order to protect the feelings of relatives and friends of the deceased, it is better to refrain from spreading all kinds of rumors, and even more so from unfounded accusations.

[blind]

Quote: bulvas

Sorry for the dead and their relatives

Yesterday it was reported that Saakashvili, Gerashchenko sent militants from air defense systems to bring down a Russian plane and quarrel Russia and the United States

True, it was about Syria

Something a lot over the past few days -
the conspiracy of Saakashvili, mass launches of our missiles, and here is our plane

Sahak nonsense is lackey Americans receiving a salary from them and will not do such things

[Bort radist]

Crew list:
1. Valery Nemov, captain
2. Sergey Trukhachev, co-pilot
3. Valenitna Martsevich, stewardess
4. Andrey Belomestnov, steward
5. Irina Olaru, stewardess
6. Stanislav Sviridov, steward
7. Alexey Filimonov, steward
I read now from under the debris voices are heard, God forbid

[moskowit]

An accident and nothing else... Remember how Lieutenant General Rychagov answered the Leader’s question about the high accident rate in the Air Force... “You are forcing us to fly on coffins...” This is for example... Now the situation with the aircraft fleet is no better . But the trouble is that people are dying. Eternal Memory to them! The greatest condolences to family, friends and everyone who cares.

[slavinsk]

When our TU 154 crashed, Medvedev forbade us to fly them. But now they fly everything used, so is this normal?! In my opinion this is sabotage.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: slavinsk

When our TU 154 crashed, Medvedev forbade us to fly them. But now they fly everything used, so is this normal?! In my opinion this is sabotage.

Isn’t the Tu-154 used? Over the past few years, they have been assembled only for military needs; civil airlines have been operating aircraft that are 20-25 years old. Recently, Transaero went bankrupt because it leased many new aircraft, but there was no money to pay. Aeroflot has ordered many new aircraft in the past few years.

[slavinsk]

Did I write that they are new? I made it clear that almost everything in the sky is old.

[Buffalo]

This is a trifle, I believe, not without his help, Serdyukov was put in charge of the aviation industry.

[Buffalo]

The control system of modern aircraft allows you to intercept control of them, upon command from the outside, like a controlled model or a drone.

[Bayonet]

Don't watch your fighters at night!

[Yun Klob]

13.20 At the site of the Russian airliner crash in Egypt, people’s voices can be heard from under the wreckage. This was reported by Reuters with reference to representatives of local authorities.
— There is one of the compartments that the rescue team is currently working on. We hope that survivors can be found, especially after we heard the voices of people inside,” the source said.

[Vadim237]

Survival from a fall from a height of 9000 meters is not realistic; add to the fall the explosion of fuel tanks filled almost to capacity.

[kil 31]

Quote: Vadim237

Survival from a fall from a height of 9000 meters is not realistic; add to the fall the explosion of fuel tanks filled almost to capacity.

Vesna Vulovich is a flight attendant. 10 km explosion on board, after a couple of seconds it fell into pieces in the air. The only survivor. Larisa Savitskaya 5200. The only survivor, and you say miracles don’t happen. You have to hope until the last.

[Vadim237]

Yes, it’s too late to hope.

[pvv113]

It is reported that the plane had a problem with the engine starting system

The crew of the crashed Russian airliner complained several times a week about problems with the engine, a source at Sharm el-Sheikh airport told RIA Novosti.

“This aircraft previously contacted the technical service several times during the week due to a failure to start the engine,” the source said.

www.pravda.ru/news/accidents/31-10-2015/1280439-engine-0/

[Vita vko]

Quote: tomket

the crew either drank or did not finish their studies

Most likely the crew was told either you will fly with whatever you have, or you will be fired from work. It was necessary to bankrupt not Transaero, which had the best service and the cheapest tickets, but companies like Kogalymavia, whose existence without corruption schemes and kickbacks to inspectors is simply impossible.

[Mihail55]

I very rarely go to the censor... I looked. And these are PEOPLE?

[Bort radist]

Larisa Savitskaya survived the destruction of the plane at 5. AN-000 collided with TU-24 in 16.

[Buffalo]

What is confusing is the fact that the crash occurred at the point where the plane’s trajectory is closest to Syria.

[Cook]

Well, it began... Usually, very rarely, a disaster has one cause. Much more often it is a combination of causes and circumstances that, if manifested in a different sequence, may not lead to such sad consequences. I repeat, but guessing about the reasons with such a small amount of data is a thankless task. Rumors and fragmentary information that are now streaming from screens and radios are only harmful in my opinion, for example, complaints from pilots about engine malfunctions, in fact, turned out to be complaints about its difficulty starting in conditions of elevated outside temperatures, which actually affects the operation of the engine itself, as a rule. , do not affect, etc. I would like to remind you that 90% of eyewitnesses to aircraft accidents observed: a fire, an explosion, a glow, unusual noises and all that. But in fact, nothing like that happened on the aircraft in distress. Please be patient. If anyone is interested in anything about the age of aircraft, maintaining the airworthiness of foreign-made aircraft, or the process of performing flights in civil aviation, ask - I was and am directly involved in this.

[Stas157]

Quote: Cook

If anyone is interested in anything about the age of aircraft, maintaining the airworthiness of foreign-made aircraft, or the process of performing flights in civil aviation, ask - I was and am directly involved in this.

As a specialist, please explain which option is better when there is only one state. Aeroflot airline in the USSR buys only new planes and owns them from start to finish, or like now, when small private companies buy 20-year-old planes that have been handed over? And then experts say that an airplane is not a machine, it is special, like wine, it only gets better with age!

[Cook]

I’ll explain, although it’s not very simple in one post. In a planned economy, when aviation solves the problems of the national economy of the country, where the state regulates all plans and prices, a single carrier and performer of aviation work is a reasonable solution. But this will not solve the problem of the aging fleet; even the Union did not allow aircraft to be written off after 5-10 years of operation, but reached the end of their service life (an average of 25 years of operation), and what is most interesting, extended it in a number of cases. But all the same, the resources of our aircraft and especially engines are several times less than those of the adversary, unfortunately. You understand, I am not an ardent supporter of any one side. I have been working in Civil Aviation since February 1983, I have studied and operated in various guises (aircraft technician, flight mechanic/flight engineer, airworthiness maintenance specialist), both our equipment and foreign ones (used B747). I know all this from the inside, including the problems of training - I was an instructor. For me, the An-24 is my “first love”; I studied it at school, worked on it as a technician, and subsequently began flying it as a second-hand mechanic. How can I not love all this? But you have to be objective. There are currently no competitive domestic aircraft in sufficient quantities, and airlines need something to carry passengers now, at the moment. Otherwise, the transport accessibility guaranteed to us by the constitution will simply not exist. As for the age of aircraft in airlines in a market economy: it is mainly very large companies that are concerned about the young age of aircraft; the fact is that an aircraft, like a car, in the first years of operation requires lower costs for spare parts and maintenance. With a large number of aircraft, any, even slight increase in the cost of such costs, on a circle, can seriously worsen economic indicators. This is for companies with over a hundred aircraft of the same type. For smaller carriers, the impact of increased costs is less pronounced due to the fact that their fleet is much smaller. One more thing that cannot be discounted: the lessor cannot transfer new aircraft to every carrier; it simply does not have such an opportunity. The fact is that the lessor orders the construction of aircraft in accordance with the fleet development plans of, as a rule, large and long-standing clients. He won’t order planes for who knows who, or he will order and deliver them at such rates that you won’t be happy. This topic is not for one article, however, without a detailed analysis and analysis of all the reasons and circumstances, I consider it premature to propose measures for changes and especially tightening in the Civil Code.

[Garris199]

Nightmare.....no words. The kids are there...the kingdom of heaven.

[Ruby]

Airplanes don’t just fall from the flight level.
In my memory, over the last 10 years there was an Airbus over the Atlantic (violation of control systems), two Malaysian Boeings (missile and unknown cause) and a Tu154 over the Donbas (transition to supercritical flight conditions).
Problems with starting the engine should not affect flight at flight level, especially if the radio station fails. Plus there is a second engine, and this type of aircraft is quite capable of continuing the flight on one. even a complete failure of all engines leaves chances. An example of this is the landing of the Tu154 by the Irninsky crew when the engines failed.
If anyone is unaware, very few aircraft in the world fly with 100% equipment serviceability. There are always various problems and minor malfunctions that do not affect flight safety. The main thing is that a chain of minor faults does not develop into a critical problem.
Once they find the black boxes, everything will become clear. There's no use shaking the air now.
Condolences to the dead, and burn in hell to the scum from the censor.

[Michael_59]

Quote: Yakut

Airplanes don’t just fall from the flight level.

Hmmm. I have a feeling that Meehan will turn out to be right. It's a two-way move... FSB analysts, ah.

[Valevampo]

on many sites where you can pour out your writings, the kakaly were so happy, they had joy and success with orgasm, t a r

[Old26]

Quote: Victor1

the pilot got in touch before the crash and requested landing in Qatar

Are you confused? Qatar is actually in the Persian Gulf... Maybe in Cairo??

[Diviz]

Quote from DiViZ

While we will fly on imported equipment there will be no one to kick at. How could a plane disappear without an emergency. That he was hit by a UFO.

The latest news was that the plane hit its tail while landing in Egypt. This is how an airplane was designed. The boobs are green with soap on these Boeing Airbuses.

[Kamikaze19]

My condolences, such companies need to be closed. In Surgut, a couple of years ago, a plane of this company caught fire right at the airport. There were one or two dead. I'm from Kogalym myself.(((

[31rus]

Dear, have a conscience, let's wait for the official statement. My condolences to the relatives of the victims. May they rest in peace.

[Kamikaze19]

On Rambler with a link to the media they write about 4 survivors

[Buffalo]

There was information that the plane suddenly lost speed before crashing. It is believed that this could happen in the event of destruction of the tail unit.
It is also reported that four surviving passengers were found, although other sources do not confirm the report.

[Vadim237]

There was most likely an explosion on board the plane, otherwise how to explain the sharp loss of speed, even if two engines fail, the plane will lose speed slowly, and accordingly the loss of altitude will be proportional.

[Mestny]

Quote: Michael55

I very rarely go to the censor... I looked. And these are PEOPLE?

No.
These are fascists. And we must deal with them accordingly.
But at the same time it is necessary to say that “they are our lost brothers,” there is a black mark in the family, not everyone there is like that,” and so on.
This is how it will be civilized, European.

[NIKNN]

Quote: Maki Avellevich

The Israeli site walla.co.il published that the plane gained speed 740 km / h and in one second it fell to 172 km / h and at the same time lost contact.

not an expert, but it seems that such a sharp loss of speed and communication leads to a version of the instant destruction of the aircraft.

Condolences to the families ...

First of all, I mourn and offer my sincere condolences to the relatives of the victims.
Secondly, stop throwing out unverified and obviously delusional information. How can you determine the loss of speed on a radar in 1 second, the revolution of the radar antenna is at least 3-5 seconds, and to determine the speed at least 2 revolutions are needed. The black boxes will be deciphered, then we can talk about something.

Lord, accept the souls of your servants.

[Buffalo]

The list of passengers was published on LifeNews.
The fact that there were mainly residents of St. Petersburg on board is also alarming. People flew with families on vacation, with children...
"Black boxes" - parameter recorders - have been discovered.

[Belarus]

It’s scary to read such news, very scary.
Sincere condolences to the relatives of the victims and an angel of comfort to them.

I think, like many, it’s too early to talk about any versions. Now, if only it were possible to rewind time, if only it were possible.
Whatever the version of the crash, to the great regret of people you can’t bring it back, which is a pity.
And the degenerates from the censor will not only burn in hell, but live and constantly experience inhuman pain for their comments about the plane crash.

[Buffalo]

If the plane was diving before colliding with the ground, even if rescuers find someone alive, the passengers have very little chance of surviving.

[Yak28]

Now you don’t have to watch the news for 3 days, the plane will be disrupted

[0255]

Quote: Yak28

Now you don’t have to watch the news for 3 days, the plane will be disrupted

And this is normal, in the news of any country there will be news about the plane crash of their airliner.

[AlexTires]

Condolences to family and friends!

[Dimon19661]

Quote: Yak28

Now you don’t have to watch the news for 3 days, the plane will be disrupted

You remind me of those scum who are now practicing their wit on Rambler, get out of here.

[Yak28]

And what is wrong? Don’t you feel sorry for the old people who are sitting on a penny pension, who are dying because there is no money for medicine, or the people in the outback who drink themselves to death out of despair, and don’t you feel sorry for the millions who are forced to work for pennies? In some traffic accidents in Moscow, more than 10 people die per year years of war in Afghanistan. They won’t talk about them on TV. And then wealthy people flew off to rest and died as a result of an accident. Yes, it’s bad, but it’s a pity, that’s all. But now a lot of programs will be broadcast on ORT, NTV, RTR, journalists have easy money They’ll cut it down, and all the news will be clogged with material for several days.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Here is an example of a liberal. All he could do was feed the suffering, and the grass would not grow.

[0000]

26.10.15 flight No. 293 Istanbul - Rostov-on-Don

According to one of the passengers, Irina Razdorova, during landing, a group of Russians and flight attendants suspected a man and woman of preparing a terrorist attack. First, suspicious-looking people entered the cabin before takeoff, after which they reported that they had mixed up the flight and left the plane. There was information that they forgot their luggage.

[Vadim237]

And how does this relate to the crash of our plane in Sinai?

[Dr dron]

Quote from S.S.R.

Kogalym air, about 5 serious incidents over 5 years, 3 accidents, one of which is under the control of another company.
S7 about 5 serious ones in 15 years

Before making such statements, take the time to familiarize yourself with aviation accident terminology. And support your conclusions with links!

[MACCABI-TLV]

RIP
I called all my St. Petersburg friends and acquaintances..... a hard day.

[Bort radist]

One, a guardian angel, a talisman, flew out a day earlier and was supposed to fly on this flight.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: jarome

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

.!.don’t talk about it, conspiracy theorist with a sick imagination.
Honest Russian businessmen were transporting people on an almost 20-year-old plane, which had previously been flown by Arabs, whose attitude to technology you know how.
Therefore, you must blame your greedy face.
The owners of the airline should be sent to prison.

How do Arabs service planes... but this is probably not a quality fact. We are infidels for them. But in general, this is my view of Egypt, purely personal, I have been there more than once. You get off the ramp, and several Arabs look at you with an expression that Hurry up, open your wallet and get your baksheesh off! Last year on the beach, lifeguards read the Koran all day long and listen to Wahhabi music, raising their fingers in the air. You might think that they are believers. On the last flight back, I handed my passport upside down and slapped it down They all don’t care about the visa at all.
And about the attitude in hotels, starting from the reception, baksheesh.. baksheesh.. baksheesh...! Instead of a dollar, he gave the porter a similar amount in their currency, so he made such a face as if he had dumped a piece of excrement into his hand
We probably dissuaded these “friends” ourselves. And even for Americans or Britons, they lick the planes with their tongues at the end of the service, but we’ll do just fine.

[Awaz]

as if it were, but the main culprits are the leadership and management of the airline. Next come our aviation officials, who allow the exploitation of aircraft junk. And so on down the chain... Arab technicians are least of all to blame in any case.
Every such incident in Russia happens mainly with aircraft junk, every time on TV officials beat themselves in the chest that there will be no more aircraft junk in Russia, but nothing changes...

[lis-ik]

There was a message that this airline serviced the plane with the help of its technicians who flew with the same plane, maybe this is nonsense, and if not, then it’s not clear at all whether the savings were made or worse.

[Awaz]

Well, I’ve heard about such tricks before... It’s likely that they use such tricks to save money. But on the other hand, they themselves are flying on this flight. There is a huge risk of missing something.

[Bekas1967]

Transit flights are not serviced! We arrived, refueled if necessary, loaded up and flew away! One loophole - while loading luggage, they could have thrown us up... A sharp loss of speed with a decrease... very similar to an “emergency situation on board”... Many promised us that we would regret... but instead of fear, there was anger, a desire to crush and burn out these non-humans. To take revenge for everyone many times over...

[iouris]

Even at the early stage of the Aerospace Forces operation in Syria, I assumed that it was very risky for Russian tourists to appear in this part of the world. Most likely the plane was shot down from the ground by a missile.

[Andrey77]

The A-321 is not deprived of thrust. For 2 engines to fail at the same time... I don’t want to believe it, but the plane was shot down. In retaliation for our attacks on the Islamic State, for example

[Wolka]

Is it really a human factor again, but I don’t believe it

[miru mir]

May we rest in peace to the deceased, sincere condolences to the relatives and friends.

[Amper]

Because it has been said and implemented, the market and competition will decide everything!?
So they decide - profit comes first! Morality is garbage in our business, everywhere and everywhere!

[Grigorievich]

We mourn. We express our condolences to the families and friends of the victims.

[QWERTY]

The plane was manufactured in 1997. I would be careful not to buy a car of this year.

[Cook]

An aircraft of this age is somewhere in the first half of its operational life; analogies with a car are inappropriate here. It must be assessed by flight hours and number of landings. The catalog price of such an aircraft is approximately 60-80 million usd.
Do you want to cut it after 5-10 years of use or what? Then estimate how much it will cost for airlines and, accordingly, for passengers.

[Stiletto]

I feel sorry for both the children and adults who died - may they rest in peace, condolences to all their relatives and friends.

The Skaklys have indeed become completely ossified - I thought that at least with such a reason they would leave their anger - but no, everyone is rejoicing. Well, God be their judge...

[Karavan-150]

Just a few minutes of flight ...
And instead of a long one, a short way.
What was there on the burning plane?
We don't know. But now that’s not the point.

And young men, and women, and children,
Men with gray hair at the temples ...
What were they like, these people?
All survived near death fear.

Maybe someone cried out loud aloud
Perhaps the bravest one screamed ...
She pressed her mother tightly to the child’s chest ...
And someone gripped the arms of the chair.

Maybe someone prayed to God
And cast a last glance to heaven ...
They had to live quite a bit.
Now it doesn’t matter who is to blame.

They can’t be returned. From there - they don’t come.
Tears, pain of hearts remained alive.
Where do your loved ones go?
And death - the end or not the end?

Oh, let these lines touch the living.
Let them remember: life is so short.
Accidents, illnesses, catastrophes -
And again a stiff hand in death.

Soul, soul where after death will be?
Where does the road lead to heaven or hell?
Pray to the Lord in life, people
To cast a final glance to heaven.

[auran]

Thank you! Nice poems.

[Support]

Transaero was closed, but some kind of kagylt or whatever it is flies. Charter or what? merde....

[rus-5819]

Quote: Observer2014

My sixth sense is that it’s not without our "partners"!

So it seems to me that this is a “response” from them to MH-17. It’s not possible to blame Russia, so here you go...

[Support]

And we were promised that the planes would soon fall..... Again these born at the wrong time....

[Kubanist]

Hello, here's what I found strange about the crashed plane story:
- The pilot reported problems with the engines and communication with the aircraft was immediately interrupted;
- It was clear on the radars (according to information from the media) that the plane began to lose altitude quite quickly;
- Egyptian comrades say that the plane was not shot down (that is, no signs of damage were found outside).
I apologize for my lack of knowledge of the topic, but here are my conclusions.
Let me remind you that in 2014, an American warship was partially and temporarily disabled in the Black Sea by a Russian electronic warfare aircraft. The electronics failed.
Electronics everywhere operate according to the same laws of physics.
NATO exercises “Trident Juncture 2015” are currently taking place in the Mediterranean Sea from 19.10.15/06.11.15/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX
http://newsader.com/15120-masshtabnye-ucheniya-nato-trident-juncture-2015-novaya
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I assume that some warships or aircraft may carry on board equipment (installations) for electronic warfare and electronic suppression. It would be useful to recall the launch of missile(s) from the Mediterranean towards Syria in 2013. No one confessed, but Russian detection tools reported it.
I can assume the following, the plane we are all talking about took off from the airport and reached the range of equipment for suppressing the operation of electronics. The plane was certainly visible on the radars of certain armed forces and it was quite easy to irradiate it with the equipment of the plane/ship. First the engines turned off, and then the communications. That is, they burned or sent the aircraft’s electronics to be rebooted. The plane fell and crashed. We will find out how the plane crashed later, but it seems to me that anyone but the airline is guilty of this crime. Communication cannot be lost after problems with the engine; the crew would have had time to say something.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think this was done specifically by our “colleagues” from the USA or their friends.
Criticize.

[Michael_59]

Quote: Kubanist

That is, they burned or sent the aircraft electronics to be rebooted

The operation of the electronics of a modern board can be “corrected”, for example, using “bookmarks”...

[dckx]

“Let me remind you that in 2014, an American warship was partially and temporarily disabled in the Black Sea by a Russian electronic warfare aircraft. The electronics failed.” - A controversial issue. Electronics failure, according to your theory, is possible - but the combustion process in the gas generator is constant (ignition units work only at the start) until the fuel is cut off, which is also supplied by mechanical pumps. And most importantly, if this is the case, then it’s easier to do it above the water, so that all the “ends” are in the water. We do not discuss the reasons in a timely manner, there is no information.
Sincere condolences to relatives and friends.

[16112014nk]

Why is the iPhone guy silent? Where are his angry statements about the ban on “watermelon” flights? I once flew with this airline twice (once it was Kogalymavia, the second time Metrojet) with my wife to Egypt - to Hurghada and to Marsa Alam - everything was fine, except for the delay of the flight from Domodedovo once by two hours. It’s a pity for the dead, you can’t bring anything back.

[Dali]

But our sworn partners say:

"... However, the Israeli portal published an article (http://debka.com/article/24987/Russian-airliner-with-224-people-aboard-be
lieved-shot-down-by-missile-over-central-Sinai), which claims that the plane was shot down by a missile from the height of Jabal Halal (876 meters). According to the authors, this follows from the number and size of the debris.

Agence France-Presse also reported on its official Twitter page that militants of the Islamic State terrorist organization claimed responsibility for the crash of an A321 passenger plane in Egypt. Terrorists claim that they shot down the airliner."

If they lie, then what are they trying to achieve???!!!

If they are not lying... then who helped???!!!

[Hello]

Dear, don’t quote the girl, it’s just jaundice, trusting them doesn’t respect you.

[Dali]

Quote: Hello

Dear, don’t quote the girl, it’s just jaundice, trusting them doesn’t respect you.

Perhaps the girl is like that... but what about Agence France-Presse? Or will you get the hang of whoever you mess with?

[Cook]

[quote=Kubanist]Hello, this is what seemed strange to me about the story of the crashed plane:
- The pilot reported problems with the engines and communication with the aircraft was immediately interrupted;
- It was clear on the radars (according to information from the media) that the plane began to lose altitude quite quickly;
- Egyptian comrades say that the plane was not shot down (that is, no signs of damage were found outside).
I apologize for not having much knowledge of the topic, but here are my conclusions

Dear Kubanist
- The crew allegedly reported some problems and did not get in touch again, this does not mean that the connection was lost. Engine failure, as a rule, has nothing to do with loss of communication.
- If this is true, then this means that the secondary radar transponder on the plane was working, at least at the beginning of the fall, and therefore there was power on the plane. The vertical rate of descent of one and a half kilometers per minute is 25 meters per second. It’s a bit big, of course, but let’s say it’s typical for an emergency reduction. If the plane was shot down and broke up in the air, the vertical will be greater.

[Dryuya2]

Lists of passengers and crew of flight 7K 9268 of Kogalymavia Airlines have been published.
you read and it becomes creepy - CONDOLLOSURES
http://www.aex.ru/news/2015/10/31/143872/

[Mihail55]

Quote: Karavan-150

Just a few minutes of flight ...
And instead of a long one, a short way.
What was there on the burning plane?
We don't know. But now that’s not the point.

And young men, and women, and children,
Men with gray hair at the temples ...
What were they like, these people?
All survived near death fear.

Maybe someone cried out loud aloud
Perhaps the bravest one screamed ...
She pressed her mother tightly to the child’s chest ...
And someone gripped the arms of the chair.

Maybe someone prayed to God
And cast a last glance to heaven ...
They had to live quite a bit.
Now it doesn’t matter who is to blame.

They can’t be returned. From there - they don’t come.
Tears, pain of hearts remained alive.
Where do your loved ones go?
And death - the end or not the end?

Oh, let these lines touch the living.
Let them remember: life is so short.
Accidents, illnesses, catastrophes -
And again a stiff hand in death.

Soul, soul where after death will be?
Where does the road lead to heaven or hell?
Pray to the Lord in life, people
To cast a final glance to heaven.

Thanks for the poems, Vitaly! Moved me to tears...