Chinese god of war

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Rocket troops and artillery are the armies of the Land Forces of the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA). They are intended to fire the enemy in all forms and forms of hostilities. This branch of the Chinese Ground Forces includes formations that are armed with tactical missile systems, multiple launch rocket launchers (MLRS) of various calibers, various artillery guns (cannons, howitzers, mortars), anti-tank guns and anti-tank missile systems, as well as artillery intelligence units.

HUGE MOVEMENT IN ARTILLERY


As of the beginning of 2015, more than 13 178 units of artillery weapons systems of various types and caliber were in the missile forces and artillery of the PLA Ground Forces.

Self-propelled guns - 2280 units, of which: 122-mm - 1600 units (Type-89 - 750 units, Type-07 (PLZ-07) - 300, Type-07В (PLZ-07В) - 150, Type-09 (PLС -09) - 300, Type-09 (PLL-09) - 150, 152-mm howitzer Type-83AV - 390, and 155-mm Type-05 (PLZ-05) - 290 units).

Towed guns - 6140 units, including guns of caliber 122 mm - 3800 units (guns Type-54-1 / Type 83 / Type 69 (D-74) / Type-96 (D-30), guns of 130 mm - 234 (X-NNUMX), X-gun NUMX (X-NNXX) / Type-59 (D-46), tools 59 mm-1 (X-NNUMX), X-gun NUMX (X-NNXX), guns of 152 mm-2106 (X-NNUMX), and guns of 54 mm-1 (X-NNUMX), X-gun NUMX (X-NNXX), guns of 66 mm-20 (X-NNXX), X-gun NUMX / XNUMX-XNUMX (X-NNXX), guns XNUMX / X-NUMX (X-NNXX) Type-XNUMX (M-XNUMX) / Type-XNUMX-XNUMX), guns of caliber XNUMX mm - XNUMX units (Type-XNUMX (D-XNUMX) / Type-XNUMX (D-XNUMX).

Combined cannon howitzers in the composition of the rocket forces and artillery are 300 units, of which: Type-05 (PLL-05) - 200 units, Type-05А (PLL-05) - 100 units.

There are more than 1870 units in multiple salvo fire systems, of which: self-propelled - more than 1810 units, 122-mm MLRS - 1643 units (including 1250 systems Type-81, 375 systems Type 89 (PHZ-89), and 18 systems are Type-10 (PHZ-10), and rocket launchers of 300 mm caliber systems are 175 units (Type-03 (PHL-03).

Mortars of various calibres in the arsenal of the Chinese army are 2586 units (82-mm Type-53 / Type-67 / Type-82 / Type-87, 100-mm - Type-89).

Anti-tank weapons of the missile forces and artillery of the Ground forces of the PLA are represented by the following samples:

- self-propelled anti-tank missile systems (ATRA) - 924 units, including complexes like HJ-8 - 450 units, complexes like HJ-10 - 24 units, and type ZSL-02В - 450 units;

- recoilless rifles - 3966 units, including 75-mm guns Type-56, 82-mm guns Type-65 (B-10) / Type 78, 105-mm guns Type-75 and 120-mm gun Type-98;

- anti-tank guns - 1788 units, of which: self-propelled anti-tank guns - 480 units, Type-02 (PTL-02) guns - 250 units, and Type-120 (PLZ-89) guns - 89 units;

- towed anti-tank guns - 1308 units (Type-73 (T-12) / Type-86).

EXPLOSIVE-FIRE SYSTEM


In the course of the modernization of the missile forces and artillery of the Ground Forces of the PLA, the command sets the final task of turning them into a reconnaissance-firing system, which has the capability of long-range fire destruction of the enemy.

As a fire component of such a system, it is supposed to use promising tactical missiles of increased range and accuracy; multiple rocket launchers with the ability to automatically target and correct the flight path of missiles, as well as self-propelled howitzers of increased rate of fire and fire performance.

The anti-tank forces are supposed to be equipped with a new generation of anti-tank missile systems (ATGMs) that can reliably hit the armored defense of all modern and promising tanks enemy in conditions of limited visibility.

The reconnaissance component of reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire systems should be space systems, reconnaissance aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) and other means that allow, in a mode approaching real time, and with high accuracy to open objects of enemy groupings and provide target designation data, as well as carry out fire adjustments. The missile forces and artillery of the ground forces of the PLA have already begun to enter service with UAVs of various types and purposes.

THOUGHT ORGANIZED STRUCTURE


The rocket troops and artillery of the Ground Forces of the PLA are composed of separate artillery, missile anti-tank brigades, as well as brigades of operational tactical missiles. Artillery formations (regiments, divisions) were included in the mechanized and tank brigades.

The regular structure of the artillery brigade, which is part of the Rapid Reaction Forces, the number of which in the PLA Ground Forces is constantly increasing, includes: four self-propelled artillery and one self-propelled anti-tank artillery divisions (18 self-propelled anti-tank 89-120 self-propelled anti-tank guns X-X-XXX-29).

Here, it seems, it would be advisable to bring the tactical and technical characteristics of the most massive and sufficiently modern systems of artillery and rocket armament of the PLA Ground Forces. These include, in particular, the Type-152 83-mm self-propelled gun-howitzer, mounted on a nationally-developed unified tracked platform. In appearance and layout, it is almost identical to the Soviet self-propelled howitzer gun of the same caliber 2C3 "Acacia". The ammunition includes shots with high-explosive fragmentation, including active-reactive, concrete-breaking, armor-piercing tracer, cumulative, chemical and lighting projectiles. The Type-83 self-propelled gun howitzer has anti-bullet (anti-splinter) booking, the loading system is semi-automatic.

The most modern self-propelled howitzer cannon is 155-mm gun Type-05 (PLZ-05). It is a copy of the well-proven Russian howitzer 2C19 "Msta-S", but differs in a number of Chinese improvements.

New modifications of this type of guns have a higher rate of fire, are equipped with a more efficient automated fire control system (FCS), navigation equipment, and are equipped with means for reducing the visibility in the radar, thermal and optical ranges.

For 152-mm and 155-mm howitzers used projectile - Chinese equivalent developed in the People's Republic of China on the basis of licensed Russian corrected using laser illumination 152-mm projectile "Krasnopol". A projectile of this type can be used to suppress enemy firing points (counter-battery combat), destroy enemy tanks and other armored vehicles, as well as control points and light-weight fortifications, etc.

IN PRIORITY - REACTIVE ARTILLERY ...


Chinese specialists pay special attention to the development of multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS). According to the scientific and technical level of development and technology, they have not only caught up with the leading countries - manufacturers of weapons and military equipment, but also ahead of them in many positions.

Among other things, the Chinese MLRS includes the 300-mm 10-barrel heavy reactive volley fire system Type-03 (PHL-03), unique in its combat capabilities, developed on the model of the Soviet (Russian) 12-9 "Smerch". This system includes a launcher and a transport-charging vehicle on the WS-58 heavy-duty chassis with the 2400x8 wheel formula, copied from the Soviet MAZ-8 car, as well as a fire control machine on the three-axle all-terrain car chassis, equipped with a computerized system and space equipment navigation and topography. It is intended for firing rocket-stabilized rocket propellers: anti-tank with cumulative striking elements and high-explosive fragmentation warheads.

Long-range missiles that are corrected in flight are being developed for use by multiple-launch rocket launchers in China. According to the representative of the company "Norinko", which is the developer of this system, the maximum range of destruction of its last modification brought to 150 km. On the basis of PHL-03, three more samples of multiple-launch rocket systems under the designation AR1 and AR1A were created, having respectively eight and ten tubular-type guides for 300 and 330-mm caliber missiles, respectively, which, according to Chinese sources, can hit targets located at a distance of 220 km.

... and the missile strike


The most powerful strike weapons that are in service with the missile forces and artillery of the Ground Forces of the PLA are tactical missiles. They are intended to defeat enemy groups of troops, command posts, including in-depth, ballistic missiles, anti-aircraft and missile defense systems, positions of radar stations, airfields, large warehouses, etc.

One of the most modern in the arsenal of missile troops and artillery of the Ground Forces of the PLA is the Dunfeng-11А solid-propelled mobile ballistic missile (DF-11А) on the four-axle vehicle’s high-terrain chassis. It has the NATO designation CSS-C-7 Mod2. The launch mass of the 6,35 T missile, 500 – 800 kg throw-in weight, the maximum firing range reaches 300 km, and the apparent circular deviation (CVT) is 200 m. At the same time, the combat unit of this missile can be equipped with both nuclear and high-explosive charge, this type of missile also are in service with the so-called Second Artillery - the PLA Strategic Missile Forces.
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  1. 0
    1 November 2015 06: 43
    Blimey!!!
    1. +12
      1 November 2015 07: 59
      Himself - not a damn thing, everything is for a possible opponent, although, as practice shows, no one is going to fight with China ... there are not so much questions of strategy as questions about the placement of prisoners lol
      Now seriously. Even in the years of my service, China could completely put under arms its arms, according to some sources, 400 million according to others - up to 000 million people. Now we, Russians, live less than 000 million on a half-empty territory, and the love of a close neighbor for rocket artillery, which is capable of qualitatively covering arenas, is simply alarming ... what

      PS Directly or indirectly, but it is worth remembering the rubber bomb ... laughing
      1. +7
        1 November 2015 09: 17
        With regards to the MLRS, the Chinese learned a lesson. Which was taught to them by the Soviet army in a local conflict over Damansky Island.
        Let me remind you that after the massive use of the USSR missile systems of volley fire, the Chinese completely lost their ability to reach us. And people heard rumors about the use of powerful laser weapons by the USSR. By the way, the subject of the dispute turned the island into a sand spit after that.
        1. +4
          1 November 2015 11: 12
          Quote: Observer2014
          With regards to the MLRS, the Chinese learned a lesson. Which was taught to them by the Soviet army in a local conflict over Damansky Island.
          Let me remind you that after the massive use of multiple launch rocket systems by the Soviet Union, the Chinese completely lost their ability to reach us. By the way, the island itself turned into a sand spit after that.

          Who learned the lesson?
          On September 11 in Beijing, Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR A.N. Kosygin, who was returning from the funeral of Ho Chi Minh, and Prime Minister of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Zhou Enlai agreed to stop hostile actions and that the troops remain in their occupied positions. In fact, this meant the transfer of Daman to China.

          in 1991, Damansky Island finally departed to the PRC (de facto it was transferred to China at the end of 1969).

          At the same time, we lost 58 dead and 94 wounded. Riceoids from 100 to 300. They also captured the T-62 from us. Here it is in their museum. Think what you write ...
          1. -1
            1 November 2015 16: 21
            But don’t forget that they were breaking only armed with quotes from Mao. The rest was later. For everything, D.V., by tens of kilometers, - URs, from the nefig do it ...
          2. +1
            1 November 2015 22: 11
            And what is the respected "zennon" trying to refute in my words?
            I want to add that even the first commander of Alpha was appointed by Andropov a veteran of those events: During the Soviet-Chinese armed conflict on Damansky Island, he was the head of the 1st border post "Kulebyakiny Sopka" of the 57th Iman border detachment of the Pacific border district, came to the aid of soldiers of the neighboring outposts, wounded and shell-shock led the battle [1].

            By a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of March 21, 1969, for the courage and skillful conduct of the state border guard operation, V. D. Bubenin was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union with the Order of Lenin and the Golden Star medal
            1. +1
              2 November 2015 00: 02
              Quote: Observer2014
              And what is the respected "zennon" trying to refute in my words?

              What do not you understand?
              Let me remind you that after the massive use of the USSR missile systems of multiple launch rocket, the Chinese lost their ability to completely reach us.

              It was not from them, but from us "completely discouraged." They achieved their goal. Let me remind you, they considered this part of the land theirs and simply took it from us. And we did not defend our land, although we lied about our ambitions for many years. we are cool, well, like a boiled egg, we will protect, we will not give it back, and so on. Well, remember the march of the tankers:
              We don’t want an inch of a foreign land, but we won’t give up our tip

              And when it came down to the matter, they gave everything away and only diplomats peeped plaintively, they say don't beat us anymore, take what you want ...
              So who proved what to whom? With regards to who came to what help, what he directed and what they gave him, you can show the fig in your pocket as much as you want. We had to protect our land, and we had it taken away before the eyes of the whole world! SHAME! !!
        2. +2
          1 November 2015 13: 01
          They learned a lesson and created their long-range MLRS.
          1. 0
            1 November 2015 21: 32
            Not only created, but already share their developments.
            So the Belarusian "Polonaise" was created with the use of Chinese components
      2. +5
        1 November 2015 13: 13
        Quote: yuriy55
        Even in the years of my service, China could completely put under arms its arms, according to some sources, 400 million according to others - up to 000 million people.

        Do not exaggerate, the total number of men in China of all ages is 650 million. 400-600 million. It is impossible to arm, feed, etc. Even 100 million are beyond the capabilities.
        Quote: yuriy55
        and the love of a close neighbor for rocket artillery, capable of qualitatively covering arenas, is simply alarming ...

        Against the PRC, a necessary and sufficient condition is the strategic nuclear forces. There are no other options. The truth is that no matter what, in the medium term, the PRC does not need a war against us. But, of course, friendship is friendship, and combat readiness must be kept at the same level.
        1. +1
          1 November 2015 13: 19
          Do they have 400000000 trunks?
          1. +1
            1 November 2015 15: 35
            Rivet very quickly if necessary.
            1. -1
              1 November 2015 21: 24
              And they’ll shoot condoms ??? Ammunition, just imagine the mass. It’s easier to arm with spears - and get the Siberian Republic of China in advance.
      3. 0
        1 November 2015 18: 27
        Quote: yuriy55
        Now seriously. Even in the years of my service, China could completely put under arms its arms, according to some sources, 400 million according to others - up to 000 million people.

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        In theory and the invasion of the Martians can be expected ... Their sources call the maximum mobilization figure of not more than 4 million soldiers, a larger number will be difficult to equip, equip and supply vehicles ...
  2. +10
    1 November 2015 07: 01
    No matter how it happened with the Far East as with Alaska, we are all flowing to the Chinese and we are giving land for rent.
  3. +6
    1 November 2015 07: 19
    The numbers are certainly beautiful, but here is how much real equipment is in readiness, how good the towing fleet is, logistics is developed, etc., etc. On paper, you always know everything is beautiful.
    1. +4
      1 November 2015 08: 04

      On paper, do you always know everything is beautiful.

      And so?
      1. +1
        1 November 2015 11: 18
        Normal shooting at a show-window is a lot of noise of dust, smoke.
        1. +3
          1 November 2015 13: 30
          I agree - the window dressing, you will not surprise anyone with dust clouds in such a terrain, at such a distance (5-8 km) the dispersion of NURSs is minimal, it’s a shame that the preemptive volley of the battery (6) of conventional 120-mm mortars can disable such a glorious quartet.

          For geopoliticians and strategists (ZVO No. 7/2011): mob.resource of the PRC - 208,1 million people (fit for military service), 510 thousand people. - organized reserve.
  4. +4
    1 November 2015 07: 44
    http://www.military-today.com/artillery.htm
    - among the many MLRSs of the PLA look the same 300-mm A-100, AR-1A and PHL-03 (http://military-photos.livejournal.com/508486.html) and the desired range, about the accuracy of the NURS with Whether inertial, satellite (NAVSTAR-GPS / GLONASS) correction, and, by the way, with a cassette warhead (unitary of this caliber is a rarity) is unknown.
  5. +4
    1 November 2015 10: 40
    As I said, China is serious, but some hats and atomic bombs have stuck minuses. It was not for nothing that the USSR kept such a huge contingent on the border with China, plus fortified areas that are now "mothballed" whose task was to delay and not stop. Specifically, the land army China is imprisoned just for the war with us
  6. 0
    1 November 2015 11: 02
    Quote: snifer
    As I said, China is serious, but some hats and atomic bombs have stuck minuses. It was not for nothing that the USSR kept such a huge contingent on the border with China, plus fortified areas that are now "mothballed" whose task was to delay and not stop. Specifically, the land army China is imprisoned just for the war with us

    China is really serious, but we will be objective - the figures given in the article absolutely do not reflect the capabilities of Chinese artillery. I remember in June 1941 there were more than 20 thousand tanks in the Red Army, but how many of them were really combat-ready - historians still cannot converge in a common opinion. The result is a retreat to Moscow. (Another significant minus-clones. This means that China will always be one step behind. Note that even in the difficult early years of the Second World War, we did not copy anything from the Germans, but created our weapons in accordance with possibilities industry and the needs of the army. And yet, the land army of China is more focused on the war with India but not with Russia. By the way, do you think it is one of the main reasons why Japan did not attack the USSR in 1941?
    1. +1
      1 November 2015 12: 27
      yes you that do not reflect ?? From where are such conclusions? Yes, exactly how could I forget the tanks were not combat ready and therefore retreated to Moscow .. (and what would you like to copy from the Germans tanks? Or planes or Katyusha?) Yes, you are right with India, therefore the two most powerful Chinese military districts are near our border and armor under our guns and machine guns. The Japanese did not attack because they remembered the lesson of Halkin-Gol. By the way there even tanks were combat-ready miracles straight
      1. +3
        1 November 2015 14: 39
        Never in one army of the world is a vehicle 100% combat ready. An indicator of 85-87% is considered quite good. And yet, do not belittle the potential of the Armed Forces of Russia, and somehow I don’t remember the loud, and not loud victories of the PLA.And experience, achievements so far in this world have not been canceled.
        1. 0
          1 November 2015 14: 56
          Well, first of all, it’s not I downplaying the potential of the Russian Armed Forces, but you downplaying the potential of the Chinese Armed Forces.
    2. +1
      1 November 2015 13: 14
      Quote: Dimon19661
      The figures given in the article absolutely do not reflect the capabilities of Chinese artillery.

      It is difficult to say that it is in combat readiness, but in quantitative terms, the figures held are even somewhat underestimated.
  7. 0
    1 November 2015 13: 01
    In general, China has no worthy adversary on the continent. We are not opponents, because the war will obviously be nuclear missile, I think this does not seriously attract anyone. India, in general, is a rival, not an enemy, the war will most likely also be nuclear missile. To deter India, China needs to continue to actively arm and support Pakistan. For all other neighbors, the land army of China is completely redundant. Already, everything is shifting towards the fleet, the real opponents of China at sea.
    1. 0
      1 November 2015 14: 11
      Quote: chunga-changa
      Already, everything is shifting towards the fleet, the real opponents of China at sea.

      That's right, the ground forces are constantly reducing, the fleet (first of all) and aviation are actively developing.
  8. +2
    1 November 2015 13: 40
    Quote: yuriy55
    - up to 600 million people.

    And you are a science fiction writer! 600 million is the ALL male population of China. Let's subtract children and adolescents, the elderly (and generally have gone from the reserve by age), subtract patients who have a "reservation" (employed in an important production). It is usually believed that - if everything in the country was spinning and plowing in the power structures there should be no more than 2% of the population. Of course, for China, the numbers are huge - 26 million - just how to arm and equip such a crowd? hi
    1. 0
      1 November 2015 14: 32
      But for some reason everyone thinks that a weapon is handed over immediately at birth + a pack of cartridges. But how to actually manage to arm everyone, at least to train, no one says.
  9. 0
    1 November 2015 14: 29
    Quote: snifer
    yes you that do not reflect ?? From where are such conclusions? Yes, exactly how could I forget the tanks were not combat ready and therefore retreated to Moscow .. (and what would you like to copy from the Germans tanks? Or planes or Katyusha?) Yes, you are right with India, therefore the two most powerful Chinese military districts are near our border and armor under our guns and machine guns. The Japanese did not attack because they remembered the lesson of Halkin-Gol. By the way there even tanks were combat-ready miracles straight

    The Japanese did not attack because they could not conduct serious operations away from the metropolis, there was an elementary shortage of trucks, transporters, transport aircraft, fuel. You seem to have the farthest attitude to the army, and just do not understand that weapons are only the visible part of the iceberg.
    1. +2
      1 November 2015 14: 59
      yeah, so they attacked America, it’s closer laughing I look you are a specialist big Yes
  10. +1
    1 November 2015 15: 36
    Yes, they, the Chinese, do not need to do window dressing, their Siberia would have been a long time if it had not been for atomic missiles
  11. +4
    1 November 2015 16: 48
    The Japanese did not attack because they soberly assessed their ability to wage war in a cold climate. They assessed their needs in short fur coats, warm clothes, and the transport component and simply decided to do this later.
    In Harbin, they carried out experiments on the Chinese (and the Russians, too) on the body's resistance to cold. Therefore, they prepared, and wanted Hitler to cross at least the Urals. And there, both the Japanese and the Turks would catch up.
    Even if the Chinese mobilize 50 million, then it will be impossible for us to cope. And they will be able to arm old weapons in bulk. Therefore, everyone understands that the answer will be only nuclear. Another question is whether our government will have enough political will to strike, realizing that all the western cities of Russia are under the sights of China’s nuclear forces. Enough to attack large cities, and will our air defense be enough to repel an attack? Only Moscow is well covered ....
    But having been in China for many years I will say with confidence that Russia is not the number 1 goal.
    First Taiwan, then take revenge on Vietnam. Then give a hat to the Philippines, and then if Russia is weak, they will bite the Far East. At almost every booze (if drunk a lot), the Chinese begin to tell that the territory to Irkutsk is theirs. This is the state point of view instilled in schools. But while they are doing good money expansion, we sell everything to them ourselves. The Chinese know how to wait.
    1. -1
      2 November 2015 13: 10
      Despite all the conflicts, Vietnam is officially a friendly state for the PRC, with which there are a number of territorial and other problems. Vietnam has the same point of view regarding China.
      1. 0
        2 November 2015 22: 43
        Unfortunately no. Vietnam is ready to deal with pendo-sami (you, I think, know that it’s not easy), just to have at least some kind of guarantee. It used to be the USSR, unfortunately Russia lost this role.
  12. +1
    1 November 2015 19: 19
    The Chinese dragon, the force is real and serious, and this force will probably be fully tested, alas, who didn’t cancel the struggle for resources, but where are the resources? It’s right in the ocean and here. Hoping only for nuclear weapons is at least not far-sighted, but if there is a cross-border conflict ?, and if the invasions are not large forces, and if political differences on the same resources do not allow Russia to use nuclear weapons (for example, certain groups occupy part of the territory and will seek to expand the territory, with Beijing's tacit support? Will you use nuclear weapons?
  13. +1
    1 November 2015 21: 01
    Well, we are still third in terms of quality and quantity of artillery, it’s very unfortunate that over the past 50 years we have moved from first place ...
  14. 0
    1 November 2015 22: 21
    The Chinese say openly that they are preparing to attack Russia. A familiar tanker told me that these creatures, when they were hired as workers, laid out a square in Chita with paving stones. From the plane they read (or from the satellite) "This is our land" in hieroglyphs. The paving stones on the square had to be redone. Check out the Chinese internet. Everywhere "Siberia is ours", "The Far East is ours". What else do we need to understand that this is the worst enemy. Or Putin's cunning plan to stick his head in the sand?
    "Here is an expert opinion.
    "Chinese expansion is inevitable
    People in China believe that nuclear war is better
    than collapse from the inside

    Alexander Khramchikhin,
    Deputy Director
    Institute of Political
    and military analysis
    The articles of the military-industrial complex weekly (Nos. 14, 17, 19, 22, 28 and 31) examined the current state of the PLA and the military-industrial complex (MIC) of the PRC. It has been shown that although China’s military capabilities have long been super redundant in terms of national defense, they continue to build up at an unprecedented pace.

    In the production of military equipment of all major classes, except nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers, the Celestial Empire confidently occupies the first place in the world, although the capabilities of its military-industrial complex will be used by up to a third. At the same time, the Chinese practically eliminated the qualitative lag behind the armed forces of the countries of the West and Russia, which took place ten years ago. Even where a certain lag persists, it is not fundamental and is easily compensated by quantitative superiority.
    Capturing territories as problem solving
    Complete disregard for these facts in Russia is beginning to take on the character of some kind of collective insanity, which is sometimes exacerbated by outright lies about the production of weapons in China in small batches, as well as about our wonderful relationship. The pro-Chinese lobby in Russia, which is at least no weaker than the pro-American one, is very much involved in this madness. Moreover, he has resources in the Russian Federation that the Americans do not have - the huge Chinese diaspora, the Chinese special services operating almost without hindrance on our territory, and a significant number of Russian citizens, moreover, very high-ranking ones, bought by Beijing long ago and ready to sell absolutely everything to him. "
    1. +1
      1 November 2015 22: 34
      Miracle, listen, do you know at least one country - which China has conquered? If you know, tell me. And if you tried to teach history, you would have known that a multi-million dollar China was losing to Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, and I don’t say that the Mongols broke this country.
      1. +1
        2 November 2015 00: 06
        Quote: FM-78
        if you tried to teach history, you would know that a multi-million dollar China was losing to Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia, and I don’t say that the Mongols broke this country.

        Everything is so. And we must also recall the "opium wars", in which some thousands of people were so uncomfortable with the rice beetles that Mama don’t worry!
  15. 0
    2 November 2015 04: 03
    Quote: _dimasik_
    The Japanese did not attack because they soberly assessed their ability to wage war in a cold climate. They assessed their needs in short fur coats, warm clothes, and the transport component and simply decided to do this later.
    In Harbin, they carried out experiments on the Chinese (and the Russians, too) on the body's resistance to cold. Therefore, they prepared, and wanted Hitler to cross at least the Urals. And there, both the Japanese and the Turks would catch up.
    Even if the Chinese mobilize 50 million, then it will be impossible for us to cope. And they will be able to arm old weapons in bulk. Therefore, everyone understands that the answer will be only nuclear. Another question is whether our government will have enough political will to strike, realizing that all the western cities of Russia are under the sights of China’s nuclear forces. Enough to attack large cities, and will our air defense be enough to repel an attack? Only Moscow is well covered ....
    But having been in China for many years I will say with confidence that Russia is not the number 1 goal.
    First Taiwan, then take revenge on Vietnam. Then give a hat to the Philippines, and then if Russia is weak, they will bite the Far East. At almost every booze (if drunk a lot), the Chinese begin to tell that the territory to Irkutsk is theirs. This is the state point of view instilled in schools. But while they are doing good money expansion, we sell everything to them ourselves. The Chinese know how to wait.

    Not one country in the world (including the United States) will not be able to arm 50 million people at once, so do not fantasize, and when drunk, they are all strong and courageous .... Some kind of idiocy ....
    1. 0
      2 November 2015 22: 48
      So our task number 1 !, that would be Vietnam was OUR.