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Syrian Gambit with somersault

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Detention by FSB officers in Moscow of an IG gang of terrorists (a terrorist group banned in Russia) confirmed the timeliness of the decision on military participation in an operation against jihadists in Syria adopted by the Russian military-political leadership shortly after the speech of Russian President Vladimir Putin at the UN General Assembly session . It was not the first and, probably, not the last episode of the activity on the territory of Russia of members and collaborators of the “Islamic State” that had loudly declared itself, disclosed by the FSB. This organization has already managed to extend its activities far beyond Iraq and the countries of the Mediterranean Levant. It is also customary to attribute neighboring Turkey, so beloved by our tourists.

ARMY OF TERRORISTS


Speaking at a meeting of the National Anti-Terrorism Committee (NAC) in Nalchik, FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov announced figures that should alert the citizens of all CIS countries. Over the past 10 years, that is, since the bloodshed by terrorists in Nalchik, more than 2 thousand thugs have been neutralized in Russia alone, but about 1,5 thousand are still walking while in search. They are checked on suspicion of involvement in terrorism even more 4 thousand people. And all this, I repeat, the data only for the last 10 years.

If, however, such a calculation has been carried out since the beginning of the global war on international terrorism declared by Washington after 11 September 2001, then the given data could have increased many times over.

Such a global war can be characterized as a war of terror-antiterror, since in it each of the parties usually accuses each other of terrorism.

Military historians have decided to count the different generations of wars as they are used in different types. weapons and weapons: from cold, firearms and fast-fire, chemical, and to modern - nuclear missiles. In modern conditions, terrorists can use all their types, except the last generation. It is impossible, however, to exclude that in a short time, terrorists may seize weapons of mass destruction (WMD). In the meantime, they are content with such weapons of mass deterrence as terror in all its manifestations. Under the conditions of conducting the so-called hybrid wars with the entanglement of the causes and goals of many conflicts and crises in the Middle East, the Islamic Caliphate, with all its vandalistic essence, is very much in demand for solving its tactical tasks as well as far-reaching strategic and geopolitical goals. In the current difficult situation in the Middle East, a map has long been played of the existing contradictions between Sunnis and Shiites, as well as between other sects and denominations.

I can agree with the well-known sociologist Alexander Neklessa that such a hybrid war is not a new phenomenon at all. With the end of the Cold War, it in its hybrid version is used by the West as a new status of war and peace, a new hybrid of the 21st century. The “Islamic state” of its kind can also be considered a hybrid. In the Middle East, it was formed on the basis of the remnants of the former runaway army of Saddam Hussein and the 300-thousandth army of Iraq created on its base by the Americans. Dozens of bandit groups operating in different self-governing territories of Iraq and Syria have also joined this new terrorist structure.

In the years of the Afghan epic, I had the opportunity to serve at the command post of the GRU, where I was engaged in the operational-analytical service. I remember well how we began to use the neologism of “bandit formation” in relation to various Afghan dushmans (in Dari means “enemies”) and jihadi-mojaheds. Such incomprehensible names were hardly perceived by our highest authorities. Then it was decided to replace them with a neologism invented by us, which then became widely used by all organs and various media. Such gangs before the birth of the IG began to appear in the North Caucasus.

LATE RESPONSE TO TIMELY SIGNAL

If Russia would not start a military operation against ISIS in Syria, with some delay, then, as Bashar Asad stressed at the talks in Moscow, terrorism could spread to even greater territory. “And everything could develop according to a more tragic scenario,” the Syrian President acknowledged.

It may be recalled here that only in the last two years 250 thousand people have died in the Syrian conflict. At least 4 – 5 million have become refugees. About two-thirds of the country's territory has recently been under the control of various armed groups. The number of refugees and victims grew every day.

Before making a decision on the involvement of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Russian President Vladimir Putin conducted the relevant diplomatic training. In August, Sergey Lavrov held meetings in Qatar with the foreign ministers of the emirate and Saudi Arabia, discussing with them the situation in Syria. The interlocutors of the Russian leadership in Moscow after that were also the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Commander of the National Revolutionary Guard of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Several Saudi princes, Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister, and Erdogan, President of Turkey, also visited Moscow.

After the meeting with Bashar Asad, President Putin found it necessary to inform the Presidents of Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan’s Presidents on the “joint fight against international terrorism in Syria” about the talks held with him about the “joint fight against international terrorism in Syria”.

Vladimir Putin’s speech at the UN General Assembly was permeated not only by internal logic, but also by common sense. He offered the West not only a reasonable view of the world, but also made at least many people think. President Putin, in his speech, promptly recalled the consequences of the wars in Iraq and Libya unleashed by the West. To this one could also add the perennial crises in Lebanon and Yemen and of course the protracted war in Syria for a long time. “Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress,” he said, addressing the participants of the session, “violence and poverty reign there ... Human rights, including the right to life, are not placed in anything. One wants to ask those who created such a situation: do you at least understand now what you have done? I'm afraid this question will hang in the air, ”Putin questioned.

This question does not hang in the air. Throughout the media space, he was immediately heard. Responded to it and one of the presidential candidates from Republicans Donald Trump. On NBC he asked himself similar questions: “You can get evidence by looking at Libya and remembering Muammar Gaddafi. What we did there is chaos. Take a look at Saddam Hussein in Iraq and see what we have done there - it's a mess. Syria will be the same if we overthrow Assad, just as we overthrew Gaddafi and Hussein. I like that Putin began to bomb the IG, because he does not want his terrorists to get to Russia. ”


The success of the combat use of the Russian military largely depends on the professionalism of technicians and armament specialists. aviation in Syria. Photo from the official site of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

This was quickly realized in the White House. US President Barack Obama agreed to a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin and was now ready to “wait a little with the overthrow of Assad” until the destruction of the IS in Syria. We must assume that the neighboring states of Syria, including Israel, are no less interested in this.

The day after Vladimir Putin’s return from New York in Moscow, a decision was made about our Aerospace Forces launching rocket-bombing attacks on IS positions and bases in Syria. I repeat, this was done in strict accordance with international law and the treaty in force at the request of the very same Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

President Putin’s speech at the UN General Assembly and the decision to start a military operation in Syria immediately after his return to Moscow was called differently in the Western press. But the situation was described most precisely by the newspaper Slovo, calling it nothing less than the Syrian Gambit, followed by its somersault.

Speaking at the Russia Calling! Economic Forum in Moscow, President Putin reassured his participants: Russia is not at all eager for any kind of leadership in Syria. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, speaking after him in the State Duma and answering deputies' questions, said that Moscow had repeatedly offered the Americans to send a delegation of its military experts to us to agree on joint actions in Syria. Russia was ready to send its delegation to Washington at the highest level, led by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. But the answer came from Washington that sending a delegation to Moscow “they don’t succeed and they don’t receive the Russian delegation to Washington either.” In this regard, Lavrov said - it's time to finally reveal their cards in the literal and figurative sense.

Answering the question whether the Syrian scenario will repeat in Ukraine, Lavrov confidently stated: “Russia will never allow such a scenario!” Of course, I would like to hope that such a “hybrid” war can be avoided. But military people can not enlist in advance something. If the West suddenly decides to “close the sky” over Syria, it may also be closed over Ukraine. Not so much about the “exchange of Syria to Ukraine” was spoken not long ago in the West, but such exchange is unlikely to take place now.

CREATIVE - ONE OF HYBRID WAR SPECIES


The Syrians do not hide that they now plan, with our air support, to cut off the grouping of the "black" IG and the "green" from the "Dzhebhat an-Nusra" from their nutrient medium in Turkey. The situation in Syria is unlikely to change much after the US military transport aircraft dropped platforms with small arms and ammunition for some incomprehensible “moderate opposition” in Syria in the Hasakah province. All this has recently given rise to UN special envoy Stefan de Misturo to accuse Washington and Moscow of unleashing some kind of creative war in which the Americans will help this “moderate opposition”.

Speaking in Geneva before visits to Moscow and Washington, the same UN special envoy for Syria called on Russia to stop military activity in order not to interfere with the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians, accusing Moscow of giving the Syrian crisis "new dynamics". Otherwise, as he stated, the war will lead to the disintegration of Syria.

But worrying about it, in the West they forget that it was the detachments and gangs of the “moderate opposition” who had already put the country in danger of collapse and threatened it with a humanitarian catastrophe. Hundreds of thousands, even millions of refugees, have already rushed to Europe, forcing her to experience the horror of such a new "resettlement of peoples." Turkey, which has become not only a corridor in such a migration of peoples, but also one of the hot arenas of a hybrid war, is experiencing this fully before Europe. It is unlikely that Angelina Merkel’s promise to Turkey’s position to provide it with about 3 billion euros for humanitarian aid to refugees.

Turkish President Erdogan sees the main guilt of what is happening in the military operation launched by Russia. Expressing his dissatisfaction with the accidental violation of the Turkish airspace by Russian aircraft, he also expressed his dissatisfaction with Moscow’s actions in Syria in general. He even threatened the deterioration of relations between the two "friendly" countries. But one can hardly be called a friendly country, from where jihadists have recently arrived and come to us in the Caucasus.

We should not discount the assumptions that the crisis in Syria began after it became known that President Bashar Asad had refused to Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey to lay a new gas pipeline through Syria to Europe. As for the "South Stream" and the creation of a gas hub to supply Europe, in this matter Russia will have to negotiate with "friendly" Turkey, most likely after the victory over the IG.

However, judging by how Turkey got involved at the same time in three wars against its Kurds in Iraq and Syria and only in words declared war on the IG, several fires could break out there. The two explosions in Ankara during the peaceful demonstration organized by the Kurds served as a signal to this that the suicide bombers arranged by the IS. As a result of the explosions killed about a hundred people and even more were injured.

TRIUNE SECURITY OF RUSSIA

How long the “Syrian gambit” can last with all its somersaults, what consequences it can have - no one takes a prediction ahead of time. Especially when it comes to the consequences of the crisis in Syria for all its neighbors in this region. But the participants of the round table of experts of the “Izborsk club”, in which the author had to participate, tried to come to some preliminary conclusions and conclusions.

In Saudi Arabia, according to polls, 92% of the population support the IG, in Qatar - more than 67%. This can not be ignored. But there is another, more serious threat to Russia.

The longer the crisis continues in Syria, the more likely it can lead to the fact that Russia will be represented in the world of Islam by a kind of "enemy" of all the Sunnis living in it.

In this situation, the Syrian conflict cannot have only a military solution without its political resolution.

Far away on the other side of the Atlantic, the United States claims to play the leading role in such a war. It is clear that they would like to wage war by proxy — either Arab Sunnis and Shiites in Syria and Iraq, or Pashtuns, Uzbeks and Tajiks in Afghanistan, or Ukrainians, Russians, Poles and other Swedes in independent Ukraine.

Another conclusion can be drawn from the first results of the joint operation of the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Armed Forces and the Land Forces of the Syrian Armed Forces in Syria. Its first results were confirmed by the postulates of the current Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation on its triune national security, which should be ensured in close cooperation of all three modern types of armed forces - aerospace, land and naval. The timeliness and effectiveness of such a doctrine finds its place in ensuring not only the national security of Russia, but also the state security of its neighboring countries. Including such unrecognized states as South Ossetia and Abkhazia in the Caucasus, not excluding the emergence in the future of similar unrecognized states in Novorossia in the event of a breakdown in the arrangements of the “Norman Four” in Minsk-2.

The experience we have learned of entering the Soviet "limited contingent" into Afghanistan suggests: after the defeat of the IS and other terrorist organizations, Syria can long be the scene of civil and various internecine wars between the various groups and gangs that remain there. It is possible to reliably protect our bases in Syria with air defense systems on land and from ships without entering a “limited contingent”. We hardly need to re-attack the old rake. It is enough to coordinate closely in Syria and Iraq with internal forces, including the Kurds, using the common Coordination Center already operating in Baghdad. To get involved in someone else's civil war anywhere we should not. Russia has its own rich experience in this regard in the near future. stories.
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  1. the most important
    the most important 1 November 2015 14: 53 New
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    Successes in Syria should not be veiled by any political decisions dictated by the United States, Saudis and Qatar ... Until the guns are silent, diplomats are silent! And then only complete surrender, as in 1945!
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2015 15: 24 New
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      Quote: the most important
      Successes in Syria should not be veiled by any political decisions dictated by the United States, Saudis and Qatar

      There would be success, no one would be with the Saudis. I wouldn’t speak with Qatar or the United States at all
      1. sovetskyturist
        sovetskyturist 1 November 2015 15: 47 New
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        but there would be no success so why such a howl and a sheer, Americans probably rushed to cover their ownhttp: //landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2015/10/us-invasion-of-syri
        a-begins.h
        tml. the plane also scattered in the air, there are not many debris on the land - probably the Arab shepherds threw a stone, well, or the partners tried
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 1 November 2015 16: 38 New
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          If you were really interested in the collapse of Concord, you would know the real reason, and not write that nonsense about termite bombs.

          For those who have forgotten.
          run over the chip during take-off at 275km / hour.
          Tire explosion.
          Break through a piece of tire surface of the wing, leak fuel tank. Ignition of fuel.
          The fire alarm is valid from the second engine. Since its sensors are just closest to the site of the outbreak.
          Второй двигатель отключила автоматика по датчикам "пожара".
          the first engine just got up.
          And no termite bombs.
          And the one who drew this demotivator is a complete ahtung!

          D, B!
          1. sovetskyturist
            sovetskyturist 1 November 2015 17: 28 New
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            On October 21, 2014, a Falcon 50 plane crashed at Vnukovo Airport, on which Total Christophe de Margerie, the head of Total, flew out to France, like a snowthrower parked on the way. Experts told me about the debris and burnt fuel, holes from pieces of tires. WTC [WTC-1 + WTC-2] also evaporated from the fuel of the rammed aircraft, so experts say where thousands of tons of steel went. Building number 7 [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1 % 81% D0% B5% D0% BC% D0% B8% D1% 80% D0% BD% D1% 8B
            %D0%B9_%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82
            % D1% 80_7] fell for the company, from a flying piece from a nearby tower.
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 1 November 2015 18: 18 New
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              Concord, Kursk, Novorossiysk, twin towers, Titanic ... secrets, secrets, secrets ...
              1. Manul
                Manul 1 November 2015 19: 58 New
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                Quote: sabakina
                Concord, Kursk, Novorossiysk, twin towers, Titanic ... secrets, secrets, secrets ...

                Kennedy, Boeing 777 MH370 ..
                1. rasputin17
                  rasputin17 2 November 2015 14: 14 New
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                  Quote: Manul
                  Quote: sabakina
                  Concord, Kursk, Novorossiysk, twin towers, Titanic ... secrets, secrets, secrets ...

                  Kennedy, Boeing 777 MH370 ..

                  Simply put, links in one chain! hi
          2. sovetskyturist
            sovetskyturist 1 November 2015 17: 59 New
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            mister mav1971 / atalef read at your leisure from the series [For those who have forgotten.] GLOBAL HAWK http://www.sovross.ru/old/2003/052/052_7_1.htm
            The essence of this story is this: if the American authorities have difficulty escalating the war around the world and introducing the Patriot-2 anti-constitutional law, then we should expect the second episode of the movie "Die Hard -2". In general, the scenario is not as cool as shown in many action films. Secret services simply adapted the Hollywood script to their needs.

            At the end of the 60s, one of the first television series in the USSR was a television series entitled "The entire royal army" based on a book by an American author. Artist Georgy Zhzhenov played the main role of the American president there. So, the plot of this film is as follows: the American president artificially and deliberately creates a critical situation in America in order to carry out a coup and abolish the constitution, but at the end of the film it breaks down. So for Americans, this scenario has long been known. The truth is forgotten by the press and the authorities themselves, who sweep the traces of rough work.
          3. nrex
            nrex 1 November 2015 18: 43 New
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            Do not argue. We do not when we do not know the truth. Even the official version is not always true. Example MH 17.
            1. DenZ
              DenZ 2 November 2015 15: 17 New
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              Much depends on who is investigating MH 17 is not an indicator.
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      2. hydrox
        hydrox 1 November 2015 16: 25 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Would be success


        Today, the main success is at least that Syria has not yet lost statehood.
        Второй успех в том, что Россия показала зубы и заставила весь мир усомниться в "исключительности" залужской нации.
        The third success, the most pragmatic, is that in five weeks of combat work not a single aircraft or a single pilot was lost, but the qualification of the RCA grew incredibly, as was the testing of new equipment for bomb sights - our bombers (both planes and flyers) today Best in the world!
        Fourth, also pragmatic - the ammunition was properly used, the disposal of which would have cost a pretty penny.
        политический - Россия прочно оседлала "ближневосточную пробку" и без её ведома уже никто из политиков не посмеет проводить "свой курс" (включая дур очка Эрдогана). Наглец, затеял турецкий газовый хаб без участия России - как бы хаб не уплыл в Болгарию!
        You see, how many pluses (and this is only a small part of them) were possessed by Russia, headed by Putin.
        Да, есть и минусы, и главный из них - Российское Пр-во предателей, желающее все эти плюсы аннигилировать своей предательской экономической деятельностью, но думаю, что как только развяжемся в течение ближайших 2-3 м-цев с "сирийским узлом", как Путн потеряет свою экономическую "девственность" и начнёт "бомбить" либерал-негодяев уже в России.
        1. sovetskyturist
          sovetskyturist 1 November 2015 16: 55 New
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          Один из российских 'самолетов Судного дня' был замечен летающим кругами над частью России в течение более 6 часов сегодня, после того как произошел инцидент с российским пассажирским самолетом.Ту-214СР- самолет-ретранслятор, разработанный специально для администрации президента Российской Федерации. Его главное назначение - обеспечение президента России связью.Разбившийся на Синайе Российский авиалайнер раньше использовался Малозийскими компаниями, а это значит, что на борту Аэробуса могла стоять система "ремот контроля" самолёта какая есть у всех магистральных "Боингов" в том числе и ещё в 2001 году.Игиловцы вроде взяли ответственность за крушение российского борта,даже видео опубликовали-такая себе операция прикрытия шитая белыми нитями
        2. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2015 17: 53 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          Today, the main success is at least that Syria has not yet lost its statehood

          If you mean the name - then no, if you mean the territory indicated on the map - then this is definitely not a state
          shopping mall does not have many features of the state
          ОСНОВНЫЕ ПРИЗНАКИ ГОСУДАРСТВА- общие признаки и отличительные черты государства, характеризующие его как специфическую организацию общества. К ним относятся:1) территория. Государство представляет собой единую территориальную организацию политической власти в масштабе всей страны. Государственная власть распространяется на все население в пределах определенной территории, что влечет за собой административно-территориальное деление государства. Эти территориальные единицы называются в разных странах по-разному: районы, области, края, округа, провинции, дистрикты, муниципии, графства, губернии и т.д. Осуществление власти по территориальному принципу ведет к установлению его пространственных пределов - государственной границы, которая отделяет одно государство от другого; 2) население. Этот признак характеризует принадлежность людей к данному обществу и государству, состав, гражданство, порядок его приобретения и утраты и т.д. Именно "через население" в рамках государства происходит объединение людей и они выступают в качестве целостного организма- общества; 3) публичная власть. Государство - особая организация политической власти, которая располагает специальным аппаратом (механизмом) управления обществом для обеспечения его нормальной жизнедеятельности.
          1. Anchonsha
            Anchonsha 1 November 2015 20: 28 New
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            Well, yes, if Israel and that, along with the cunning Western coalition, bombed infrastructure in Syria. What did Israel need there? And now Russia has discouraged the Jews from flying in the Syrian sky.
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 November 2015 21: 37 New
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              Quote: Anchonsha
              Well, yes, if Israel and that, along with the cunning Western coalition, bombed infrastructure in Syria. What did Israel need there? And now Russia has discouraged the Jews from flying in the Syrian sky.

              did not want to upset you, but no more than the day before yesterday
              Lebanese media reported that on Saturday night, Israeli aircraft attacked targets in the mountains of Kalamun in western Syria, where weapons were stored for the Hezbollah terrorist group.

              Согласно сообщению, около 23:00 были обстреляны цели в районе Рас аль-Айн и Аль-Катифа, где находились военные склады «Хизбаллы"» Данные о результатах этих ударов не поступали.

              The IDF does not comment on this information.

              Earlier, the Israeli government has repeatedly stated that it will stop the supply of arms from Iran and Syria to the Lebanese Hezbollah.

              This is the first strike of the Israeli Air Force in Syria since the start of the Russian anti-terrorist operation there.
              1. arane
                arane 1 November 2015 22: 40 New
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                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Anchonsha
                Well, yes, if Israel and that, along with the cunning Western coalition, bombed infrastructure in Syria. What did Israel need there? And now Russia has discouraged the Jews from flying in the Syrian sky.

                did not want to upset you, but no more than the day before yesterday
                Lebanese media reported that on Saturday night, Israeli aircraft attacked targets in the mountains of Kalamun in western Syria, where weapons were stored for the Hezbollah terrorist group.

                Согласно сообщению, около 23:00 были обстреляны цели в районе Рас аль-Айн и Аль-Катифа, где находились военные склады «Хизбаллы"» Данные о результатах этих ударов не поступали.

                The IDF does not comment on this information.

                Earlier, the Israeli government has repeatedly stated that it will stop the supply of arms from Iran and Syria to the Lebanese Hezbollah.

                This is the first strike of the Israeli Air Force in Syria since the start of the Russian anti-terrorist operation there.


                Well, before you say anything, you need to have at least some data to push off!
                I don’t presume to argue, but something inside tells me that the President of the Russian Federation and the Prime Minister of Israel reached a consensus in the conversation on the situation and actions in Syria, and we will not interfere with each other. In fact, the actions of the Russian Federation in Syria are in the hands of Israel, no matter how strange it sounds! Assad is better understood, albeit unfriendly, for Israel than frostbitten terrorists who hate Israel.
                As if some members of the forum didn’t sound strange, it was Israel that could potentially become a hidden ally of the Russian Federation in the Middle East. There are many factors. But open joint action is not possible. This will dramatically worsen our situation in the Middle East. Most likely, we will not interfere with Israel in ensuring our own security, and Israel will not interfere with our actions. In general, I think, Natanyahu and Putin agreed. What pleases.

                And for some ultras:
                Израиль не враг России. По многим причинам. Мы не друзья, но и не враги. Если учесть, что в политике дружба вообще утопия (к примеру кто из наших ближайших "друзей" признал Абхазию и Осетию?) НИКТО!
                And I do not think that Atalef sits and enjoys some of our problems. The situation should be soberly assessed, and not by the slogans from the posters. By and large, no one is as interested in the quiet Middle East as Israel and Russia! And it is precisely this interest that makes our goals in many positions common. But Israel should not openly act as an ally of the Russian Federation in the Middle East. Let it be better on the side of the coalition, then the amers will have more problems.
                Therefore, I think Israel will not interfere with the Russian Federation, and vice versa.
                1. cumastra1
                  cumastra1 4 November 2015 11: 32 New
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                  Already kind of agreed. There is a coincidence of interests. We have to work in this direction. Well, disagreements .... I also have disagreements with my neighbors, but we don’t beat our muzzles and we don’t swear with mats, and we don’t even shit under the door. Compromises must be sought and found.
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        4. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2015 17: 53 New
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          extension
          Quote: hydrox
          Второй успех в том, что Россия показала зубы и заставила весь мир усомниться в "исключительности" залужской нации.

          Success is measured by the end result - so far no one knows it, so no need to talk about success or defeat - this is the beginning of a path with an unknown end
          Quote: hydrox
          The third success, the most pragmatic, is that in five weeks of combat work not a single aircraft, not a single pilot was lost, but the qualification of the aerospace defense has grown incredibly,

          I’m not an expert in the sense of the Air Force’s work, but the air force’s work in Syria (it seems to me) is no more complicated than bombing at the firing range (and also not in exercises) since in Syria it doesn’t work against the Air Force, neither air defense, nor electronic warfare, nor the air force of another state
          Quote: hydrox
          our bombers (both planes and flyers) today are the BEST in the world

          Never use words - the best in the world, unparalleled in the world, the only ones in the world.
          So advice for the future
          maybe the magnitude of disappointment always matches the magnitude of hope
          Quote: hydrox
          Fourth, also pragmatic - the ammunition was properly used, the disposal of which would have cost a pretty penny.

          Well, if you think that blowing up old ammunition at a landfill is more expensive than bringing them to Syria - approx.
          Quote: hydrox
          политический - Россия прочно оседлала "ближневосточную пробку" и без её ведома уже никто из политиков не посмеет проводить "свой курс

          Well, of course I’ll laugh at this, and add so from myself - it’s necessary to find a DB that would be in CLOSE on our own. To get into the eastern swamp and be proud of it
          Quote: hydrox
          Yes, there are cons, and the main one is the Russian Pr-in traitors

          By the way, what would they know - Shoigu and Lavrov are the same in the government
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 1 November 2015 18: 56 New
            13
            Atalef .... And in the desert for 40 years to walk weak? Maybe we will not measure the tricks?
          2. slava5553
            slava5553 1 November 2015 20: 34 New
            -1
            Brave JUDAH you earned your 30 pieces of silver. Just mind that, it’s not for nothing that the old ones said. Whoever betrays us with a sword will perish by the sword. And to hurt the pain, the dog barks the wind wears.
            1. arane
              arane 1 November 2015 22: 43 New
              13
              Actually, this is Alexander Nevsky said. No, he's certainly old, but .....
              Judah earned 30 Srebrennikov for treason. Atalef betrayed someone?

              And this, dear Christians, please do not forget, Jesus is also a Jew!

              Immediate speculation to remove. I am not Jewish and not Russian

              That's what really infuriates, this impatience to an alternative opinion. Dialogue should be based on respect of the appan.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 03: 40 New
                +4
                Quote: arane
                Actually, this is Alexander Nevsky said.

                good It is intelligible, I am afraid, and this will not understand not that the comment atalef ..
                A set of stamps and slogans (+) Internet access (-) brain .. what kind of dialogue hi
              2. demo
                demo 2 November 2015 17: 56 New
                +1
                And this, dear Christians, please do not forget, Jesus is also a Jew!

                Something tells me that the Son of God was not a Jew.
                Is he Galileo's birthplace?
                If I am not mistaken at the time of his birth, Galileo was already thirty years in a state of war with the Idea.
                Although all this is covered in darkness.
                Who knows how it really was?

                Главное что Иисус обвинил иудеев во множестве грехов - аналог сегодняшнего "преступление против человечности".
                For which he was crucified.
          3. Asadullah
            Asadullah 1 November 2015 23: 11 New
            +1
            Success is measured by the end result - as long as no one knows it


            What are your successes in the fight against intifada? Success can be measured in some way, but with very complex tools. The simplest is whether the status quo is changing and in which direction. In the Syrian war, the status quo has changed, in the direction of Assad. So there is success. And further, further the very presence of the Russian troops determines the resume. Or victory or collapse and a powerful geopolitical defeat. At the same time, we sent the animals to the Caucasus, we defeated Russia, rise brothers. Now the question is not Assad, the question is in Russia.
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 November 2015 00: 04 New
              -3
              Quote: Asadullah
              What are your successes in the fight against intifada?

              With which 1st, second?
              Quote: Asadullah
              Success can be measured in some way, but with very complex tools.

              No, he is the only success. Either he won or not. And when there is nothing to say, then they resort to various complex tools.
              Egypt still celebrates victory in the Doomsday War. somehow silent that they lost the entire shinai and were defeated to the fullest
              Quote: Asadullah
              The simplest is whether the status quo is changing and in which direction

              There is no status quo in Syria. There is a civil war. The status quo implies static.
              Quote: Asadullah
              . In the Syrian war, the status quo has changed, in the direction of Assad

              Well, let’s leave your intricate term used out of place - so what are the changes on the fronts?
              Quote: Asadullah
              . And further, further the very presence of the Russian troops determines the summary

              Another intricate word - so what SUMMARY?
              Quote: Asadullah
              Or victory or collapse and a powerful geopolitical defeat.

              Not a crash, but you have to leave BV
              Quote: Asadullah
              At the same time, we sent the animals to the Caucasus, we defeated Russia, rise brothers.

              So it’s like they say that Kadyrov has already tidied them all up?
              Quote: Asadullah
              Now the question is not in Assad, the question is in Russia.

              No, the question is in Assad and there is no need to drag it in. with the loss of Assad - Russia will not disappear and will not disappear, and if you think that all of Russia rests on the lousy skin of an ophthalmologist - you will excuse me - either a provocateur or an absolute blind man.
              1. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 2 November 2015 03: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                No, the question is in Assad and there is no need to drag it in. with the loss of Assad - Russia

                Hi Sasha
                I wonder how their rhetoric will change closer to the New Year .. of course, as they sculpted and will sculpt minuses, this is an indicator of the level of patriotism for some .. by virtue of their understanding.
          4. Wise Kaa
            Wise Kaa 2 November 2015 05: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            By the way, what would they know - Shoigu and Lavrov are the same in the government


            By the way, there are ministries in the government directly reporting to the President of the Russian Federation, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. And most importantly, traitors are specific people who are in all structures!
            1. atalef
              atalef 2 November 2015 06: 29 New
              -2
              Quote: Wise Kaa
              Quote: atalef
              By the way, what would they know - Shoigu and Lavrov are the same in the government


              By the way, there are ministries in the government directly reporting to the President of the Russian Federation, including the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense. And most importantly, traitors are specific people who are in all structures!

              in general, the whole Kab.min reports exclusively to the president. wink
              Surprise?
              1. Wise Kaa
                Wise Kaa 2 November 2015 12: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: atalef
                in general, the whole Kab.min reports exclusively to the president.
                Surprise?


                There are ministries that are managed through the Chairman of the Government, and this is right, because it’s impossible to manage all the helpers.
                And here is the list:

                Departments directly subordinate to the President of the Russian Federation:

                1. Ministry of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Disaster Management
                2. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
                3. The Ministry of the Interior of the Russian Federation
                4. Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation
                5. Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation
                6. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation
                7. Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation
                8. The General Prosecutor's Office of the Russian Federation
                9. The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation



                Departments directly subordinate to the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation:

                1. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation
                2. The Ministry of Energy of the Russian Federation
                3. The Ministry of Natural Resources and Ecology of the Russian Federation
                4. The Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation
                5. The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation
                6. Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications of the Russian Federation
                7. Ministry of Education and Science of the Russian Federation
                8. The Ministry of Agriculture of the Russian Federation
                9. The Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation
                10. Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation
                11. Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation
                12. The Ministry of Labor and Social Protection of the Russian Federation
                13. Ministry of Regional Development of the Russian Federation
                14. The Ministry of the Russian Federation for the Development of the Far East
                15. The Ministry of Sports of the Russian Federation
          5. pescimakhi
            pescimakhi 3 November 2015 23: 31 New
            0
            You definitely have nothing to do, how to hang in the comments
          6. Orakul2000
            Orakul2000 7 November 2015 20: 51 New
            0
            Atalef, as a member of the Air Force, I have to disagree with you. We all know that after the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Air Force flew much less than in Soviet times. In addition, note that the average age of the flight crew is quite high. In order to train the young shift, give it the normal number of hours in the sky, and feel the real bombardment, not dead-end, but for living goals, so to speak, terrible and cynical, you need to use such conflicts, not only to get political dividends and help allies, but also to train their army in conditions as close as possible to the military. Again, no matter how cynical it sounds, whatever the army is in constant tone, what can you do, it should at least fight somewhere. One of the field training exercises for the army, especially the state, which is one of the world leaders, is extremely small and not enough.

            With respect.
      3. unsinkable
        unsinkable 1 November 2015 17: 35 New
        10
        Quote: atalef
        I wouldn’t talk to the United States at all

        Dear colleague, I ask you not to take it as work and pay attention to the evaluation of your work by members of the forum. Thanks to my patience when reading your previous opuses, I answered you rudely, but I’m sure now that it’s right. (For which I received another warning, I’ll soon be kicked out completely . I’m not patient.) I won’t talk with you anymore. Similarly, I don’t talk with two-horned animals either. Hello to the country. PS Please note that I was extremely polite. stop hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2015 18: 19 New
          -4
          Quote: unsinkable
          Thanks to the patience I have finished reading your previous opuses, I answered you rudely

          And?
          Quote: unsinkable
          I won’t talk to you again

          I won’t think about it today, I’ll think about it tomorrow. crying
          Quote: unsinkable
          Similarly, I do not speak with two-horned animals

          those. still talking with rhinos and llamas?
          Quote: unsinkable
          Hello to the country. PS Pay attention, was extremely polite.

          And you Peace, brother good
          1. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 20: 03 New
            +4
            Ну, Вы, блин, даёте "atalef". Не обижайтесь, но у лам нет рогов.
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 November 2015 21: 24 New
              -9
              Quote: Алексей_К
              Ну, Вы, блин, даёте "atalef". Не обижайтесь, но у лам нет рогов.

              About that conversation, Alexey
              He does not talk with two-horned animals, a one-horned rhino and hornless llamas - cover the entire sectors of animals with which he can calmly communicate.
        2. mav1971
          mav1971 1 November 2015 22: 34 New
          19
          Quote: unsinkable
          Quote: atalef
          I wouldn’t talk to the United States at all

          Dear colleague, I ask you not to take it as work and pay attention to the evaluation of your work by members of the forum. Thanks to my patience when reading your previous opuses, I answered you rudely, but I’m sure now that it’s right. (For which I received another warning, I’ll soon be kicked out completely . I’m not patient.) I won’t talk with you anymore. Similarly, I don’t talk with two-horned animals either. Hello to the country. PS Please note that I was extremely polite. stop hi


          I dare to assure you that you probably know that any registered users of this site have the right to give ratings.
          То, что на этом сайте огромное количество абсолютно безграмотного, не желающего пошевелить единственной извилиной "урякания" - факт.
          Thinking is not for them.
          Discussing is not for them.
          Analyze is not for them.
          Those. at least a little work. The brain.
          To lay off is their only thing.
          And it is they who are the rams, the very two-horned animals.
          And any person who at least somehow understands that the world is multipolar, that any event can have not one point of view, but many interpretations - for them a red rag.
          So they poke their mice in the red.
          After all, it’s so simple - they gave them a chewing gum, chewed it up, made a stir.
          like cows on a farm.
          And how do they differ from Svidomo?
          such categorical, not recognizing other interpretations, rearranging upside down.

          А зря.
          These different interpretations are different opinions. They need to be studied.
          Understand how people think on the other hand.
          And the same Atalef is much more intelligent than hundreds of local idiots.

          I'm on the drum minus.
          I read it and others.
          Adequate.
          Reasonable.
          But I’m not fumbling.
          Because I love my country and I wish her well.
          And I understand that work is not endless, and to rest on our laurels and coddle - death is the same!
          1. arane
            arane 1 November 2015 23: 09 New
            +6
            Quote: mav1971
            Quote: unsinkable
            Quote: atalef
            I wouldn’t talk to the United States at all

            Dear colleague, I ask you not to take it as work and pay attention to the evaluation of your work by members of the forum. Thanks to my patience when reading your previous opuses, I answered you rudely, but I’m sure now that it’s right. (For which I received another warning, I’ll soon be kicked out completely . I’m not patient.) I won’t talk with you anymore. Similarly, I don’t talk with two-horned animals either. Hello to the country. PS Please note that I was extremely polite. stop hi


            I dare to assure you that you probably know that any registered users of this site have the right to give ratings.
            То, что на этом сайте огромное количество абсолютно безграмотного, не желающего пошевелить единственной извилиной "урякания" - факт.
            Thinking is not for them.
            Discussing is not for them.
            Analyze is not for them.
            Those. at least a little work. The brain.
            To lay off is their only thing.
            And it is they who are the rams, the very two-horned animals.
            And any person who at least somehow understands that the world is multipolar, that any event can have not one point of view, but many interpretations - for them a red rag.
            So they poke their mice in the red.
            After all, it’s so simple - they gave them a chewing gum, chewed it up, made a stir.
            like cows on a farm.
            And how do they differ from Svidomo?
            such categorical, not recognizing other interpretations, rearranging upside down.

            А зря.
            These different interpretations are different opinions. They need to be studied.
            Understand how people think on the other hand.
            And the same Atalef is much more intelligent than hundreds of local idiots.

            I'm on the drum minus.
            I read it and others.
            Adequate.
            Reasonable.
            But I’m not fumbling.
            Because I love my country and I wish her well.
            And I understand that work is not endless, and to rest on our laurels and coddle - death is the same!


            Plus mine! I agree one hundred percent! hi
          2. demo
            demo 2 November 2015 18: 02 New
            +2
            And any person who at least somehow understands that the world is multipolar, that any event can have not one point of view, but many interpretations - for them a red rag.

            You got excited, dear.
            An event cannot have a point of view.
            It is impersonal.
            FOR EVENT, someone can have their own point of view, and another, someone, their own.
            And so, that's right.
          3. Aurum
            Aurum 4 November 2015 10: 32 New
            +1
            I can’t give you a plus for technical reasons, but I agree with you.
            I also like what and how the atalef user writes, although I disagree at some points.
      4. Foxmara
        Foxmara 1 November 2015 19: 00 New
        +5
        you sir cart in front of the mare rides. It seems like smart people, but you carry such a nonsense.
        It is in Moscow that there is a line of people who want to be heard, and not vice versa
      5. Nick
        Nick 1 November 2015 19: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: the most important
        Successes in Syria should not be veiled by any political decisions dictated by the United States, Saudis and Qatar

        There would be success, no one would be with the Saudis. I wouldn’t speak with Qatar or the United States at all

        There would be no success, no one would talk to Russia ...
        1. Catafract
          Catafract 1 November 2015 21: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Nick
          There would be no success, no one would talk to Russia ...

          If Russia had success, it would not have spoken to anyone.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 1 November 2015 21: 53 New
            +1
            Quote: Catafract
            If Russia had success, it would not have spoken to anyone.

            - равновесие рано или поздно будет достигнуто. Но как-то не улыбается равновесие "а-ля Германия - Берлин" или корейские варианты, проходили уже, ничаво хорошего... Вьетнамский вариант равновесия в Сирии бы нас устроил, в смысле, никакого раздела страны и никаких амеров в ней. Единая, целостная Сирия, пусть сама потом выберет себе и лидера, и стратегических союзников. Но до этого далеко
        2. arane
          arane 1 November 2015 23: 17 New
          +4
          Quote: Nick
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: the most important
          Successes in Syria should not be veiled by any political decisions dictated by the United States, Saudis and Qatar

          There would be success, no one would be with the Saudis. I wouldn’t speak with Qatar or the United States at all

          There would be no success, no one would talk to Russia ...

          Well, at the expense of success, it seems to me that Atalef is not right exactly the opposite. There would be no success, overseas would be happy ....

          They are not even talking to Russia because of success, but because of the presence of a nuclear triad. Otherwise, we would be already enthusiastic about it! A crowd, that is, a coalition from 65 countries. We live in a very fair world ....
      6. NordUral
        NordUral 1 November 2015 23: 28 New
        0
        They will, no matter how much you and McCain wish the opposite.
      7. atalef
        atalef 1 November 2015 23: 54 New
        -5
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: the most important
        Successes in Syria should not be veiled by any political decisions dictated by the United States, Saudis and Qatar

        There would be success, no one would be with the Saudis. I wouldn’t speak with Qatar or the United States at all

        Well, judging by the typed minuses (which, as many probably already understood, I don’t give a damn), and judging by the lack of a reasoned reaction, this reminds me

        so, I’ll give a little argument, in anticipation of a reasoned apposition
        .As far as I understand the international situation and the right of the strong, so to speak, no one is ever in a strong position to start negotiations, maybe negotiations are a compromise. And if you win, why should you go for it?
        In the case of Russia - which was never a NEGOTIATION country at all - this is generally unambiguous.
        If Russia feels confident, it never negotiates with anyone, but nevertheless agreed to negotiations in Vienna.
        Let's look at the composition of the participants
        Russia, on the one hand (at the beginning of negotiations), on the other, the USA, Europe, Katas, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Turkey.
        Do not you think a somewhat strange number of opponents, provided it seems like Assad’s unambiguous successes (which is also not a party to the negotiations).
        Further, the next day they agreed to allow Iran to negotiations (which was announced by diplomatic victory of Russia) - as far as I remember, Iran is fighting in a coalition with Russia.
        If this coalition has unambiguous success in Syria, then it looks at least strange that one of the members of this winning coalition was not only not allowed to start negotiations, but when they knocked out a place for it, it was declared a dip. victory.
        A strange position is victorious (don't you find?)
        now back to the first day of negotiations
        Lavrov said --- SSA is a possible member of the coalition (Russia-Iran-Assad) and we would be glad to see it
        - The answer was no. Why? the same is clear, the Assad has no success and there is no point in intervening on the side of Russia. The SSA understands that Assad will not climb into the Sunni areas, and the SSA is not going to fight the Sunni brothers for the benefit of Assad (and it's stupid)
        Well, and under closing - the Lavrov press conference - theses
        1. Russia does not seek to preserve Assad
        2. The choice should be made by the Syrian people, subject to the preservation of the right to vote for all Syrians, regardless of the place of residence.
        they agreed, even if the Alawite minority could at least somehow (given that they practically didn’t run away) - they would get some influence from 7 million Sunnis in neighboring countries - now, giving them the opportunity to vote (and Russia agrees to this) - their dreams turn into something ephemeral.
        those. result
        1. Forget about Assad (which I wrote a long time ago), but Russia is trying to delay time leaving it at least for the transition period
        2. The next power in Syria is the Sunnis
        And now, who can explain to me why these negotiations were held - if everything is fine at the fronts?
        Well, let's continue to draw cons or someone will come to the barrier wink
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 2 November 2015 23: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Well, and under closing - the Lavrov press conference - theses
          1. Russia does not seek to preserve Assad

          Well, you and the master distort. The thesis is actually this:
          "Приоритетом для России в урегулировании сирийского конфликта является скорейшее прекращение кровопролития и стабилизация обстановки в этой стране, а не сохранение или свержение режима Башара Асада.
          Подробнее: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2013/01/23/1084787.html"
          Agree, this is not at all what you were trying to imagine.

          Quote: atalef
          2. The choice should be made by the Syrian people, subject to the preservation of the right to vote for all Syrians, regardless of the place of residence.

          Well, millions of Sunnis, hanging around in different countries, will vote not on the Internet. And in the embassies (in any case, it will be organized through the embassies).
          But most importantly, it is unclear who such a cool Sunni authority in Syria is able to make an alternative to Assad? And who did not stain himself by participating in any thread of executions, explosions of historical monuments, etc.? Name your name if you think you are so strong in Middle Eastern matters.


          Quote: atalef
          1. Forget about Assad (which I wrote a long time ago), but Russia is trying to delay time leaving it at least for the transition period
          2. The next power in Syria is the Sunnis

          Время покажет. А пока может все таки назовете кандидата от "умеренной оппозиции"? Заодно расскажите подробнее, почему вы так уверены, что эти "оппозиционеры" избегнут грызни между собой по ливийскому сценарию?

          Quote: atalef
          And now, who can explain to me why these negotiations were held - if everything is fine at the fronts?

          Does anyone say that everything is fine on the fronts? Do you argue with Uri patriots skipping school? smile
          It must be understood that the real interests of Russia in the Middle East are energy resources and their transit routes to Europe. The fight against terrorism is also important, but it is so for the mass audience. And while our budget will depend on the export of energy resources, we will hold on to our teeth for influence in these sands.

          Поэтому мы поддерживаем Асада, как вменяемого светского президента Сирии. Дела у него "на фронтах" как раз плохо шли. ИГИЛ и всякие нусры при поддержке американцев, турков,монархий и, прямо скажем, Израиля дожали бы Асада просто разрушив в стране государственность полностью. Но мы вмешались и ситуация изменилась. Это вмешательство - сигнал для проамериканской коалиции - давайте договариваться. Ведь Путин на встрече с Шойгу после первых успехов сказал - мы понимаем, что такой конфликт может быть урегулирован только путем диалога. Сигнал предельно ясный и его услышали.

          Сначала мы добьемся перемирия и сохранения за Асадом поста президента до выборов. На выборах будут какие нить хлипкие политики, других у "оппозиции" нет и Асад, несломленный президент независимой Сирии. При таком раскладе итог выборов скорее всего - Асад президент, а представитель оппозиции - премьер. Еще пару губернаторских кресел отстегнут. Конструкция слабенькая, долго не продержится.
          And we will participate in the next round of the spiral. Until the oil runs out ...
      8. oblako
        oblako 2 November 2015 04: 48 New
        +4
        Смотря что понимать под успехом, уважаемый. Изменение позиции США по Асаду. Более ясное понимание западом наших возможностей после Каспийского залпа это уже результат. Таки медленно изменяющаяся линия фронта в пользу Сирийской армии тоже результат не отрицательный. А вот принижение результатов - это элемент информационной войны. А вы что ждали, уважаемый? В Сирии все должно быть стерто и с белого листа нарисовано? Это наивно как минимум. Ближний восток -это надолго, кому как ни вам, с вашими обстрелами и "железным куполом" этого не знать? Да и разговаривать все равно придется со всеми, уже потому, что они есть...
        1. atalef
          atalef 2 November 2015 06: 46 New
          -3
          Quote: oblako
          It depends on what is meant by success, dear. Change in the position of the United States in Assad.

          And what has her position changed? The fact that they agreed not to immediate care, but for several months?
          Then can I ask? And how has Russia's position on Assad changed?
          Quote: oblako
          Such a slowly changing front line in favor of the Syrian army is also not a negative result.

          No, Russia can not afford to sit in Syria for years, the result should have been right away. (Although this deafening to happen, only in the heads of the Aryacolos in the military
          By November they wanted to smash everything and everyone. So how? Today is the 2nd
          (november)
          Quote: oblako
          But diminishing results is an element of information warfare.

          This is a real view of things.
          Zero Results
          Quote: oblako
          The Middle East is a long time

          The Syrian swamp is for a long time, and BV is forever
  2. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 1 November 2015 15: 05 New
    13
    In Saudi Arabia, according to polls, 92% of the population support the IG, in Qatar - more than 67%. This can not be ignored. But there is another, more serious threat to Russia.

    Вот такие союзники у "самой демократичной страны в мире".
    1. shalim
      shalim 1 November 2015 15: 17 New
      34
      Yes, and they are actually terrorists:

      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 1 November 2015 16: 08 New
        14
        "...
        The tramp grew roses
        а рос - исключительно мак!"
        (Song of the Donetsk KVN team 1988 year.)
      2. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper 1 November 2015 17: 57 New
        +4
        These are not terror, these are moderate.
        Peaceful farmers freed from the peisans of Dushmanbe.
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      1. Luga
        Luga 1 November 2015 15: 54 New
        14
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And then h .. to spread around the country that supports global terrorism.


        I agree. And you can start and the Saudis. Judging by this article, they also support.

        But seriously, it is time for our diplomacy to take care of creating an informational background for the flight of calibers in a southerly direction. How much can you keep quiet in a rag, pretending that we don’t notice obvious things: Saudi petrodollars form the basis of financial support for world terrorism. And oil fields on an industrial scale are very vulnerable to everything, starting from ordinary sloppiness and ending with ordinary special operations ...

        Короче, "Хочешь покончить с терроризмом? Спроси меня как". И я отвечу. Уничтожьте арабские нефтепромыслы и у террористов не будет денег. Уничтожьте американскую военную промышленность и у террористов не будет оружия. А без денег и (или) оружия террорист становится обычным гопником и сколь-нибудь серьезной опасности уже не представляет.
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 November 2015 18: 30 New
          +1
          Destroy the American military industry and the terrorists will not have weapons. And without money and (or) weapons the terrorist ...
          It was touched by some terrorists then (after the first point) - there is no connection, no money, no weapons, no food, and generally a nuclear winter all around ....
          1. zadorin1974
            zadorin1974 1 November 2015 20: 25 New
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            Come on, they will destroy the military-industrial complex of the Americans, the Czechs or the Chinese will sell weapons, it’s not the matter of financing. Now the so-called opposition (everyone understands ISIS) is funded by the US State Department in half with the Saudis. ISIL buys weapons wherever it goes, with the terrorists, with the tacit consent of Turkey, Europe and the Arab States, finance themselves (even North Korea showed up in left-wing oil purchases, Turkey is embarrassed to talk about European and American orphans, moreover, it sells oil through its terminals, so bandits from Syria drag on sale from machine tools to flour and metal from roofs) It’s not in vain that the war in Syria is called a money war. In Syria, too, everything is not so transcendental - Assad does not allow to drag a gas pipeline through Syria to Europe - when cheap Arab gas comes to the EU, Gazprom will lose up to 80 % of your income.
            1. your1970
              your1970 1 November 2015 21: 56 New
              -5
              "Да ладно-уничтожат ВПК америкосов,оружие будут продавать чехи или китайцы,не в оружии дело-дело в финансировании."
              After the destruction of the US military-industrial complex, it can be destroyed: 1) nuclear weapons, 2) financial crisis — when the dollar will cost 5 kopecks, nobody will be able to sponsor anyone and will not, for money will not be either as such (all currencies in the world are pegged to the dollar, including our ruble), and no one will need oil in principle
              1. mav1971
                mav1971 1 November 2015 22: 45 New
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                Quote: your1970
                "Да ладно-уничтожат ВПК америкосов,оружие будут продавать чехи или китайцы,не в оружии дело-дело в финансировании."
                After the destruction of the US military-industrial complex, it can be destroyed: 1) nuclear weapons, 2) financial crisis — when the dollar will cost 5 kopecks, nobody will be able to sponsor anyone and will not, for money will not be either as such (all currencies in the world are pegged to the dollar, including our ruble), and no one will need oil in principle


                For starters, read what percentage of the Russian budget is making money from the oil industry.
                And think about what will happen to the country if this money does not exist ...
                Remember. what the budget is:
                Entire defense industry
                The whole army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                All hospitals, schools, kindergartens, roads.
                All FSUEs.
                All these millions of people. And tens of millions. if you take their family members.
                Then know that all other industries are the first dependence on the ones I have written above.
                Instant reaction.
                Think!
                the head would not just wear a hat.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 2 November 2015 19: 43 New
                  +1
                  Luga
                  "Короче, "Хочешь покончить с терроризмом? Спроси меня как". И я отвечу. Уничтожьте арабские нефтепромыслы и у террористов не будет денег. Destroy the American military industry and the terrorists will not have weapons. And without money and (or) weapons, a terrorist becomes aboutычным гопником и сколь-нибудь серьезной опасности уже не представляет."

                  That's what happens when you don’t indicate the source, they kick in spite of quotation marks, irony and the fact that I point out the consequences of what is written above ....
                  And poke a hat in the face is holy .....
    3. arane
      arane 1 November 2015 23: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      In Saudi Arabia, according to polls, 92% of the population support the IG, in Qatar - more than 67%. This can not be ignored. But there is another, more serious threat to Russia.

      Вот такие союзники у "самой демократичной страны в мире".

      Why allies? ISIS - their brainchild
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2015 00: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: arane
        Why allies? ISIS - their brainchild

        ISIS is not the brainchild of the Saudis; ISIS is the remnants of the Saddamian army dispersed by the States.
        Therefore, we can certainly say. that ISIS created the States, not specifically - but with its moronic policy
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 2 November 2015 08: 15 New
          +3
          Dear Alexander. It’s not necessary to simplify. ISIS is specifically created by the United States — don’t blame ostensibly for mistakes. In an attack on Iraq, a US-led gang (after the test tubes with powder doesn’t use another language) turns out to agree with the top (headquarters) of the Iraqi army elimination and sabotage by the leadership of the fighting. As a result, Saddam’s army was practically rolled out like a pancake. Middle-level officers could not forgive such an insult. And here Al-Qaila (well, a specific brainchild of the State Department with the CIA. gets out on the scene. Ben Ladonov has also gained a lot of power and the Bush family, who will challenge this?) Al Qaeda pulled up offended officers (but not military men cut their heads) to provide an opportunity to make money on the oil and gas business and the Americans and Sheikhs of the Arays.
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          2. atalef
            atalef 2 November 2015 08: 29 New
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            Quote: zadorin1974
            Dear Alexander. There is no need to simplify. ISIS is specifically created by the USA

            I do not agree, this is the result of their mediocre policy. ISIS was not created by the USA

            Quote: zadorin1974
            In an attack on Iraq, a U.S.-led gang (after a test tube with a powder doesn’t use a different language) agreed on a bribe with the top (headquarters) of the Iraqi army to eliminate and sabotage the leadership of the fighting

            In fact, learn history. There was the first and second Iraqi wars.
            I’m not talking about the second, as are the methods that led to the victory of the USA. if they managed to bribe the Iraqi top - well done.
            maybe money is nothing. and saved lives of soldiers are priceless
            Quote: zadorin1974
            Mid-level officers could not forgive such an insult

            and?
            therefore they asked the USA - make ISIS out of us. Well, how is the compensation?

            Quote: zadorin1974
            .By the way, in attacks on Shopping centers, apart from the Ben Ladon family, the Bush family has also been welded up and someone will dispute this?)

            I don’t know, but you somehow jump from thought to thought - can you somehow complete one thing and somehow smoothly move to another?
            Quote: zadorin1974
            Al-Qaeda pulled offended officers (but not military men cut their heads) to provide an opportunity to make money in the muddy traffic on the oil and gas business and the Americans and Sheikhs of the Arai.

            Answer me a question
            1. Who made up the backbone of Saddam's army?
            2. What was their religion?
            3.who is the prime minister of Iraq? and his religion
            4. The army of Iraq from whom is (modern) - their religion
            5. In what areas (Iraq) was ISIS formed (and why)
            6. Why is the modern army of Iraq not only pros..la everything in these areas. but it doesn’t go there either.
            Let’s do it so little by little that a certain logical chain would be preserved
  3. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 1 November 2015 15: 07 New
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    All this turbidity with terrorists in Russia is creeping from the West, even if we do not see a connection. This connection is mainly financial, aimed at activating various groups against the Russian Federation or our allies. All this will become clear after defeating the West, when he himself runs into our military fist. In Russia there will come silence and grace.
  4. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 1 November 2015 15: 09 New
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    It will not be easy to win ... Because it is a civil war with an admixture of inter-religiosity and local fragmentation into clans ... The winner for the long-term future peace must literally smear and subjugate the enemy. And with transparent borders and differently interested neighbors this task is complicated in times. Regrettably, there was only one way out ... to completely destroy the enemy, clean up the territory. In the future, no matter who wins, he will also be forced to severely control these lands.
    One thing should be clear, the stakes are much higher than Syria itself or even BV.
  5. alone
    alone 1 November 2015 15: 15 New
    +4
    The FSB’s detention in Moscow of a gang of terrorists associated with the Islamic State (a banned terrorist group in Russia) confirmed the timeliness of the decision on military participation in the operation against jihadists in Syria,


    So you had to wait until the IS militants appeared in Moscow, and then take military part.

    For me, the decision is belated. It was necessary to make this decision earlier. The loss of hundreds of thousands could confirm my words if they had survived
  6. Thronekeeper
    Thronekeeper 1 November 2015 15: 15 New
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    According to the polls, in Saudi Arabia, 92% of the population supports the IG, in Qatar - more than 67%. This cannot be ignored.
    About that and speech. The Salafis of the Sodomite mutton differ from the Salafis of the Caliphate only in that they are not with a naked gun and a gun, but on yachts and limousines.
    Since they want the Middle Ages so much, they need to be helped to get there.
    And oil and gas can be monopolized.

    But in general - I am surprised. And * iota are not scared.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 1 November 2015 22: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Thronekeeper
      According to the polls, in Saudi Arabia, 92% of the population supports the IG, in Qatar - more than 67%. This cannot be ignored.
      About that and speech. The Salafis of the Sodomite mutton differ from the Salafis of the Caliphate only in that they are not with a naked gun and a gun, but on yachts and limousines.
      Since they want the Middle Ages so much, they need to be helped to get there.
      And oil and gas can be monopolized.

      But in general - I am surprised. And * iota are not scared.


      Why are you surprised?
      That there are billions of people with a different mentality?
      Asians live a life completely incomprehensible to you.
      Arabs live the same way. You do not understand them, they do not understand you.
      So maybe you first need to learn to understand. what do they live with?
      And do not throw rockets!
      And if rockets. then how will we differ from mattresses?
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 November 2015 00: 12 New
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        Quote: mav1971
        Arabs live the same way. You do not understand them, they do not understand you.

        The Americans came and decided to speak American with them - they got ISIS
        Russia has come to Syria and is thinking of speaking Russian to them --- funny, you can only speak Arabic with Arabs - then they will understand.
        Speak the wrong language, mentality - don’t understand, treat tribal relations as if they weren’t
        don't consider religion and currents in it - and with all this you want to influence?
        it's funny.
  7. veksha50
    veksha50 1 November 2015 15: 24 New
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    "Ввязываться в чужую гражданскую войну нигде нам не стоит"...

    It’s not worth it, it’s not worth it ... However, the states have already managed to transfer the jihadists' arrows from themselves to Russia, and judging by the numerous support by the population of Qatar and the SA of the Igilovites, the porridge is brewed there for a long time ...

    China wants the Uighurs-Ishilists not to return to the PRC with combat experience ... So help !!!

    And so, by and large, besides Iran, there are no allies as such ... Iraq is something complex and amorphous, still incomprehensible ...

    In general, that gambit to play us, that somersault - again to us ...

    God grant good luck to our guys in Syria ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 1 November 2015 15: 29 New
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      Quote: veksha50
      It’s not worth it, it’s not worth it ... However, the states have already managed to transfer the jihadists' arrows from themselves to Russia, and judging by the numerous support by the population of Qatar and the SA of the Igilovites, the porridge is brewed there for a long time

      Well, to be honest, from Russia to ISIS they are fighting much more than with the USA (but less than with Europe) - who has any opinion? Why?

      Quote: veksha50
      China wants the Uighurs-Ishilists not to return to the PRC with combat experience ... So help !!!


      China does not have such tales. realizing. getting into Syria makes an order of magnitude more problems
      Quote: veksha50
      And so, by and large, apart from Iran - and there are no allies as such

      request
      And Iran, in general, is an ally in the temporary coincidence of interests.
      Quote: veksha50
      in general, that the gambit to play us, that somersault - again to us ...

      There was no need to climb there. and would not have to tumble
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 1 November 2015 16: 07 New
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        Quote: atalef
        Well, to be honest, from Russia to ISIS they are fighting much more than with the USA (but less than with Europe) - who has any opinion? Why?


        Hmm ... Maybe I agree that Mossad is one of the best intelligence in the world ...

        Maybe I agree that you are one of the best employees of this organization ...

        However - where does such reliable data come from, almost on the head, whom and on which side is fighting more or less ???

        The units that are conducting military operations in Syria (pay attention to how I gently called them) that there are human resources departments in which your (Mossad) people are introduced ???

        I consider this phrase of yours to be just a concussion ...

        Well, the fact that there are people from our country is not surprising ... Such a huge country is not just multinational, but also multiconfessional - of course, there are different people in it ...

        And by the way, I talked about the transferred arrows from the USA to Russia, and you went aside, raising this question - which side are fighting more ... God forbid, we will figure it out with ours ...

        You could say a little differently: why not all the Russians fled to Israel? That would be similar ...

        PS I have my classmate living next to you ... a Jew like me, a Frenchman ... But my wife is a Jew ...
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 1 November 2015 16: 17 New
          +7
          I consider this phrase of yours to be just a concussion ...
          So this is it! Professor of Higher School (economics!) I can smell him! No color, no smell! Their Fighter of the invisible and imperceptible front!
        2. andrewkor
          andrewkor 1 November 2015 17: 02 New
          +4
          Israel to the Jews (in the best sense of the word), Palestine to the Arabs. This is real justice. And there we look at their behavior.
        3. unsinkable
          unsinkable 1 November 2015 18: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          Hmm ... Maybe I agree that Mossad is one of the best intelligence in the world ...

          Maybe I agree that you are one of the best employees of this organization ...

          Well, that’s what they found out. And then I thought that he was just ... a blow. And he .. a blow from intelligence.
        4. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 1 November 2015 18: 29 New
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          I’ll tell you a secret now. He regrets that he has left, but he can’t do anything already, he cannot, he has grown. Probably crying at night, and here he is trying to teach us the mind. wink But it would be better to envy in silence, at least some chance of return would leave ... tongue
      2. Alexei
        Alexei 1 November 2015 16: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        And Iran, in general, is an ally in the temporary coincidence of interests.

        Yes, do not care at all. The most important thing is that Israel will help with intelligence, take control of the border with Turkey - and half the battle will be done.
      3. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper 1 November 2015 16: 14 New
        +7
        Well, to be honest, from Russia to ISIS they are fighting much more than with the USA (but less than with Europe) - who has any opinion? Why?
        How many Muslims are in the USA and how many are in Russia. And there is such a thing as B.SSSR - whole Central Asia.
        There was no need to climb there. and would not have to tumble
        It was impossible to lose Syria.
        A 15% increase in oil prices is a result of the bombing of insurgents in Syria.
        Bases and Syria in general are of strategic importance.
      4. hydrox
        hydrox 1 November 2015 16: 37 New
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        Quote: atalef
        There was no need to climb there. and would not have to tumble


        Listen, Jews, we don’t get into your affairs with the Arabs and don’t give advice - maybe you should shut up too?
        Не забывайте, что Ваши заокеанские хозяева - наши враги (а вовсе не "партнёры", как это любят говорить наши либерал-негодяи), как бы и по Вам не отскочило... это ведь только ПОКА мы сквозь пальцы смотрим на ваши бомбардировки Голанских высот.
      5. andrewkor
        andrewkor 1 November 2015 17: 01 New
        +1
        Israel to the Jews (in the best sense of the word), Palestine to the Arabs. This is real justice. And there we look at your behavior.
      6. IS-80
        IS-80 1 November 2015 17: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        China does not have such tales. realizing. getting into Syria makes an order of magnitude more problems

        Until it climbs. What for? There we are already fighting. Now, if Syria was called Taiwan .. smile
        Quote: atalef
        There was no need to climb there. and would not have to tumble

        It is urgent to report to Putin. And then he climbed with Comrade Atalef did not consult. smile
      7. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 1 November 2015 17: 40 New
        +2
        Вы не правы - вы из Израиля - а он "лезет".
        И Вы начинаете "учить" - после горького опыта ?
        You also participated in the opening of Pandora's box - so if you do not want to help, do not bother.
      8. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 1 November 2015 18: 25 New
        +4
        So let's just, from under someone else's flag, do not teach us where to climb, where not. And that is already alone, they are trying to teach the whole world. Are you there too? Where to go, some wise men around. They want to accept us into the family of Western values, or teach the mind to the mind. Well-wishers alone ...
      9. sabakina
        sabakina 1 November 2015 19: 03 New
        +7
        Atalef, well, go to the desert for 40 years ....
        1. atalef
          atalef 1 November 2015 19: 17 New
          -2
          Quote: sabakina
          Atalef, well, go to the desert for 40 years ....

          Well, up to 40 ka. I have 15 left
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 1 November 2015 20: 43 New
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: sabakina
            Atalef, well, go to the desert for 40 years ....

            Well, up to 40 ka. I have 15 left

            Damn it, but Moses thought he brought it out! ... Or did he take it to the wrong place?
      10. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 1 November 2015 20: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        1. Well, to be honest, from Russia to ISIS they are fighting much more than with the USA (but less than with Europe) - who has any opinion? Why?
        2. China does not have such tales. realizing. getting into Syria makes an order of magnitude more problems

        1. In Russia, operations in the annihilation of Islamic extremists are still ongoing in the North Caucasus. I consider this a mistake of Putin - connivance towards the imams who train Muslim youth in hatred of Russia. Each extremist caught tells who and where he instructed, trained and prepared for war. You have to be tougher.
        2. There is a prediction of Baba Vanga that China will reach the Mediterranean Sea with the two hundred millionth army and will naturally conquer Jerusalem. This fortuneteller is still right in everything. Now China is not interfering, but suddenly the military-political situation will change, and wait for this locust. This is 200 000 000 a soldier with nuclear weapons, thousands of tanks and aircraft. No country in the Middle East can resist this armada.
      11. Anchonsha
        Anchonsha 1 November 2015 20: 32 New
        +2
        If ISIS hadn’t climbed into Russia, then we wouldn’t have climbed there, let the bandits climb better on Israel.
      12. Garris199
        Garris199 2 November 2015 02: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        There was no need to climb there. and would not have to tumble

        This is about the history of the state of Israel.
        Quote: atalef
        getting into Syria makes an order of magnitude more problems

        Is it true? Will there be problems right? From whom?
      13. Aurum
        Aurum 4 November 2015 11: 02 New
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        Quote: atalef

        There was no need to climb there.


        I don’t know, I don’t know, but the fact that in Syria many Caucasian bearded earhooks killed, there is a definite plus.
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      1. novobranets
        novobranets 1 November 2015 15: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: atalef
        There was no need to climb there. and would not have to tumble

        Need to wait while they come to us? It was necessary to do this even earlier, without regard to the howls of the West and he sang along.
    3. venaya
      venaya 1 November 2015 15: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: veksha50
      ... except Iran - and there are no allies as such ... Iraq is something complex and amorphous, still incomprehensible ...
      In general, that gambit to play us, that somersault - again to us ...

      It is difficult to disagree with you. That's just besides Iraq: having personal acquaintances with them, I must say that I saw the attitude of the Iraqis themselves towards Russia exclusively positive. The only problem is that ISIS, as I understand it, originated in Iraq, but this is not their fault, and the long limbs of the mattresses are to blame. I think over time it is possible to attract Iraq to our side.
      1. veksha50
        veksha50 1 November 2015 18: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: venaya
        That's just besides Iraq: having personal acquaintances with them, I must say that I saw the attitude of the Iraqis themselves towards Russia exclusively positive.



        I didn’t mean the attitude of ordinary Iraqis to Russia ... It’s just there ... don’t understand that, and the overseer with a stick, in addition ... In general, today it’s an incomprehensible state formation, do not understand who is lying or semi-independent, that one and the same ...

        The Iraqis of the United States have nothing to love, but it is difficult to shrug off the dictatorship of the United States ...

        PS Germany - in Europe, Iraq - in the BV ... and in their territories bases, bases, bases ... And Iraq was also smashed, defeated ... There, our VKS wanted to call, as well as the Syrians - however, the amers overseer forbade ...
  8. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 1 November 2015 15: 26 New
    +6
    Маленькое замечание: Цитирую - "непризнанные государства, как Южная Осетия и Абхазия на Кавказе". Эти государства признаны РФ, что ограждает их от посягательств шакалов всех мастей.
  9. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 1 November 2015 16: 00 New
    -6
    “Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress,” he said, addressing the participants of the session, “violence and poverty reign there ... Human rights, including the right to life, are not put into anything. I would like to ask those who created this situation: do you even understand now what you have done? I'm afraid this question will hang in the air, ”Putin doubted.

    thought about Russia he says .. especially 90's. Oil painting!
    Wait a bit, we’ll start to bomb oligarchs, embezzlers and other privatizers! Chubais is already moaning in the corner ... soldier
  10. borys
    borys 1 November 2015 16: 22 New
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    I will try to argue atalef about the relations between Russia and Iran. If
    look at a geographical map, it will not be difficult to notice one thing -
    telation. Any overland road from Europe to greater Asia (Pakistan,
    India, China, Burma, Thailand, Korea, Vietnam) without fail pro-
    walks through the territory of Russia and / or Iran. In other words, get around right away
    both of these states are landlocked impossible. This circumstance alone is wild
    There is an opportunity and necessity, if not friendship, then serious cooperation
    identities of these states. And since Russia and Iran will remain on their own
    places still very, very long, then this (geographical) circumstance is very durable
    changeable. In addition, there are other circumstances in favor of such
    cooperation. And also very long-term.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 1 November 2015 16: 44 New
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      Essential remark!
      Boris, under whose flag go on this site (poorly visible)?
      1. taram taramych
        taram taramych 1 November 2015 17: 24 New
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        "Водружение" флагов
        Quote: hydrox
        on this site (hard to see)?
        bully It is not clear whose prerogative? So, do not pay attention to this factor.
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 1 November 2015 17: 07 New
      0
      Israel to the Jews (in the best sense of the word), Palestine to the Arabs. This is real justice. And there we look at their behavior. Hello, countryman!
      1. Thronekeeper
        Thronekeeper 1 November 2015 18: 10 New
        0
        Fatah with Hamas as selflessly cut up - forgot? Savages * Renov.
        And the Jews - made a macaque with a nuclear grenade and delivery vehicles. 888. An eye for an eye, and no, yes. And about the sabotage of our titans, state corporations.
        Sheriff’s Negro problems aren’t.
        The only period when the kosher and arabesque in Palestine were civilized - under the Byzantines and under the Crusaders.
        They need a (* seven-story *) white bend.
      2. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 1 November 2015 18: 23 New
        +1
        By the way, it is interesting what is happening on the ground in Palestine. After all, Hamas officially supported the Islamists (the opposition in Syria). It turns out after the victory of Assad (and Hezbollah with Iran) most likely will no longer help Gaza. Yarmouk became almost a stronghold of the opposition at first.
  11. Tusv
    Tusv 1 November 2015 17: 33 New
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    If, however, such a calculation has been carried out since the beginning of the global war on international terrorism declared by Washington after 11 September 2001, then the given data could have increased many times over.

    А когда Вовочка озвучил термин: "Мочить в сортирах" - это реальная дата борьбы с терроризмом 24 сентября 1999
  12. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 1 November 2015 17: 38 New
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    Никак atalef нас опять жизни учит?:) Куда стоило лезть, куда не стоило... Если бы Израиль не мутил бодягу с сирийской "оппозицией", крышуя её по полной программе, России возможно и не пришлось бы в Сирию лезть. Кстати, мои поздравления израильским спецслужбам в связи с убийством очередных опасных террористов - четырёх палестинских пятнадцатилетних подростков и одного особо опасного восьмимесячного младенца. Орлы Израильские!
  13. kare
    kare 1 November 2015 18: 04 New
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    Mikhail Krapivin (1) SU Today, 17: 38 New

    Никак atalef нас опять жизни учит?:) Куда стоило лезть, куда не стоило... Если бы Израиль не мутил бодягу с сирийской "оппозицией", крышуя её по полной программе, России возможно и не пришлось бы в Сирию лезть.

    We wouldn’t have to go much if it weren’t for God's chosen people to sow there ...

    And now, on the Russian television Channel One, “respected” rabbis are sentimental nonsense: “We were sure that this would never return.” How not to return? Themselves called the war! Why, then, were you sure that she would not return?

    Let's look in the search engine what's next. Immediately run into an interesting forum. His theme relates to the current situation and sounds very specific: “Three Jewish pillars of European integration or who Ukraine will follow” (www.politforums.ru). This topic discusses the leaders of the "Ukrainian" "revolution", quote:

    “Klitschko is a purebred Jew by father and mother, his grandmother is Jewish, Tamara Etinzon, his last name is from the word Klitsch, which means Yiddar in Yiddish, that is what he called his party. It is also no secret that the sports career of the Klitschko brothers in Germany was completely arranged by the Jewish community. Tyagnibok is a purebred Jew by mother, his grandmother is a Jew by the name of Frotman, and his great-grandfather is a Jew, Lengin Tsegelsky. Yatsenyuk is a purebred Jew by mother, his mother is a Jew with the name Bakai. One of his mother’s relatives is Rabbi Bakai. ”

    That's the whole revolution! And to us on all TV channels about some second Holocaust tryndyat! Shamelessness is one, not the Holocaust.
    http://h.ua/story/398062/
  14. Altona
    Altona 1 November 2015 18: 20 New
    +6
    Что то в этой теме "стрелковцев" не видно, которые в соседней теме рогом упираются...Вот тут в статье чётко написано, что перед сирийской операцией была трудная дипломатическая работа, то есть наши дипломаты договаривались о формате операции, о реагировании на неё соседних стран и всём таком прочем...В соседней же теме "подай Донбасс немедля, так как там свои родные и ниипёт, Путин абищал"...А то, что Украина сейчас другое государство и что Путин просил не торопиться с референдумом, это конечно уже позабыто, "Путин сказал, что защитит русских"...А как он сейчас может защитить русских на Донбассе, если Запад всё равно не примет никаких референдумов на Донбассе? Вот и приходится выёживаться с Минском, потому что не всё так просто...Но стрелковцев фиг убедишь, они уже сектанты...Поэтому любую военную операцию надо сопровождать дипломатией...
  15. nrex
    nrex 1 November 2015 19: 10 New
    +4
    Не нравятся мне эти провакационные рассуждения "надо-ненадо". Все, мы уже там ! И выход для нас только один - Победа ! Не жалко железа и тротила для черного знамени ! Спите с миром.
  16. cniza
    cniza 1 November 2015 19: 22 New
    +3
    According to the polls, in Saudi Arabia, 92% of the population supports IS, and in Qatar, more than 67%.



    This is until they came to them and began to cut their heads, but they would come.
  17. sasha1973
    sasha1973 1 November 2015 21: 01 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: the most important
    Successes in Syria should not be veiled by any political decisions dictated by the United States, Saudis and Qatar

    There would be success, no one would be with the Saudis. I wouldn’t speak with Qatar or the United States at all

    Interesting idea. Well, well, we need a report to the international community, we are not a super power, which is all allowed. But I think things will get better soon.
  18. aibolit72
    aibolit72 1 November 2015 22: 24 New
    +4
    All kirdyk.
  19. Are
    Are 1 November 2015 22: 56 New
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    "Ввязываться в чужую гражданскую войну нигде нам не стоит"...полностью согласен с этим выводом. hi
    Судя по очень интенсивной и результативной работой МО РФ и МИД РФ аргументов у России сейчас предостаточно, иначе бы Штаты с компанией не соглашались бы так быстро на предложения Лаврова. Только сейчас доходить стало, что "коалиция" может опоздать к разгрому собственноручно выращенных террористов разных мастей и наведению определенного порядка на БВ.
  20. atamankko
    atamankko 2 November 2015 00: 03 New
    +1
    Need to tighten punishment for communication with terrorists
    and apply the death penalty for them.
  21. viktor561
    viktor561 2 November 2015 00: 50 New
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    Quote: atalef
    The Americans came and decided to speak American with them - they got ISIS
    Russia has come to Syria and is thinking of speaking Russian to them --- funny, you can only speak Arabic with Arabs - then they will understand.
    Speak the wrong language, mentality - don’t understand, treat tribal relations as if they weren’t
    don't consider religion and currents in it - and with all this you want to influence?

    Yes, only Russia understands - remember the Caucasian wars - General Skobelev and General Ermolov: pacification of the Caucasus - as they understood - they took teips and children of boys were taken to the cadet corps of St. Petersburg - then competent people returned and not bandits - there could not have been another way to win - now ISIS picks up children in clans and teaches banditry
  22. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 2 November 2015 01: 07 New
    +1
    GDP in Syria is doing everything right! It is necessary to beat the enemy, not only within the country, but also at distant approaches, and the more the better.
  23. Neophyte
    Neophyte 2 November 2015 09: 09 New
    0
    It’s necessary to continue bombing, but when will we hear about the destroyed ISIL oil fields, the main sources of its existence? Besides, will the source of cheap oil run out and prices will naturally creep up?
  24. Selevc
    Selevc 2 November 2015 11: 24 New
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    I read the article and the comments on it - one thing is not clear to me ... Namely, the position of Israel on the Syrian issue !!! Well, let's say Russia is not in Syria, let’s say Assad is overthrown tomorrow - what next? A cloud of militants is blowing in Syria - and one of them means (according to the State Department) white and fluffy, while others are al-Qaeda !!! By the way, this has long been a mysterious word for any obscure (for the West) crowd of bearded men waving an AK-47 and screaming Allah-akbar ... That is, some are good Al Qaeda and others are bad ...
    In my opinion Assad for Israel (and for the West, by the way, too) is much better than the crowd of these scumbags - after all, at least you can negotiate with him in a civilized way ...
    Well, let's say the state of Syria will turn into the second Libyan vinaigrette ... So these bearded uncles - they can do nothing else but to kill !!! Well, where will they go next? Well, of course, not to Turkey and hardly to Jordan - of course they will bring down Israel! And they will tumble down so that the wars with Hezbollah and Hamas will seem to the Jews as rest in a flower resort !!!
    In this sense, it is extremely strange and incomprehensible why Israel itself does not bother about its own security !!!
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 2 November 2015 16: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: Selevc
      I read the article and the comments on it - one thing is not clear to me ... Namely, the position of Israel on the Syrian issue !!! Well, let's say Russia is not in Syria, let’s say Assad is overthrown tomorrow - what next?


      Syria has participated in all wars against Israel since the 1948 year.
      In Syria, Jews were smashed from the very moment of the creation of Israel.
      And practically during the 3 years all Jews were expelled from their historical homeland.
      Pogroms, murders, exile - in general, as it happens.

      Hatred of the Syrians is in the blood of the Israelites.
      They even managed to set Muslim brothers against the Syrians and create a situation of terror from the Muslim brothers against peaceful and military Syrians.
      The consequence of this was an ordinary civil war, in which the actual hostilities were voiced by the Israelis as a massacre in Hama and captured by all the media.
      The surname of Assad (father, Hafez, who ruled Syria since the 70 year), who participated in many wars against Israel - for the Jews - a red rag.
      His son, Bashar, is perceived by the Jews as well.

      And the fact that the Jews are now twisting - it seems to me they will certainly come sideways.
      They now think that Jordan and Egypt have calmed down, and the border with Syria is too small.
      Levan is generally completely under Israel.
      All the Arab world is now in Syria and they are calm at home.
      Relative to.
      Explosions and attacks continue.
      Palestinian and Israeli Arabs are still killing.
      But then they are the Arabs.
      They do not know anything else in principle.
  25. ydjin
    ydjin 2 November 2015 15: 39 New
    0
    Yes, dear atalef mentions some insults from Khrushchev, Brezhnev, but can not understand that the world has changed! Former enemies, (Syria) can become partners helping to survive from the terrible creature of our time - ISIS, and former friends (USA) turned into enemies fanning a fire at the door of your house!
  26. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 2 November 2015 16: 47 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Quote: zadorin1974
    Dear Alexander. There is no need to simplify. ISIS is specifically created by the USA
    I do not agree, this is the result of their mediocre policy. ISIS was not created by the USA

    После таких заявлений о чём с этим "спецом" можно разговаривать, если только о погоде, это ещё "профессора" нет или он нас окончательно покинул, вот печалька то если так.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 2 November 2015 19: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Alget87
      Quote: atalef
      Quote: zadorin1974
      Dear Alexander. There is no need to simplify. ISIS is specifically created by the USA
      I do not agree, this is the result of their mediocre policy. ISIS was not created by the USA

      После таких заявлений о чём с этим "спецом" можно разговаривать, если только о погоде, это ещё "профессора" нет или он нас окончательно покинул, вот печалька то если так.


      And if what he said is the real truth?
      Вы разве не читали исторические факты, про то. как толпы внезапно становившихся ненужными профессиональных военных (европа, япония)становились бандитами, создавали свои "ордена" - в общем становились внезапно силой, внушающей страх. не читали?
      the story repeated itself.
  27. borys
    borys 2 November 2015 18: 25 New
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    For hydrox.
    This is the flag of Uzbekistan. I live here.