Kamran (Vietnam) will become the base for providing Japanese warships?

The meeting between Vietnamese Defense Minister Fung Quang Khan and his Japanese counterpart Gen Nakataki will be held in Vietnam’s 6 capital on November 6. It is reported that during the meeting an agreement will be signed on the possibility of using the port of Cam Ranh (Vietnam) by Japanese warships as a base of supply for replenishing fuel, food and fresh water. This is reported by the Japanese newspaper Nikkei.

Japanese media wrote that the agreement between Tokyo and Hanoi are made against the background of "the growing influence of China in this region." From the material:

The use of a base in Cam Ranh by Japanese warships will help curb China’s military activity in the South China Sea. In this case, the base will be used exclusively by those ships that will participate in the exercises or leave the Japanese bases to counter the sea pirates. Reconnaissance ships will not enter the support base in Vietnam.

It is particularly emphasized that the decision was made in connection with the "activity of the PRC on the Spratly Archipelago."

For reference: Spratly - a group of islands in the South China Sea, around which the most active fishing is conducted. The administrative affiliation of the Spratly Archipelago is immediately disputed by a group of states of the region: China, Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, and Malaysia. In addition, Taiwan claims the islands.

Comments

[hydrox]

Well ...
Russia Kamran has failed, and the yupps will be based - and yet we have poured so much money into this base !!!

[Air Force captain]

I guess the reason is our alliance with China! China is Vietnam’s main rival in the region ... I'm afraid there is a conflict of interest. It would be necessary to make friends of these two ... but how? when the hydrocarbon deposits at Spratley’s archipelago are at stake

[Baikonur]

And Vietnam entered the Transatlantic Trade Partnership under the auspices of the United States!
How so? These bombed them, cut them out, burned them out, and they "made friends" with them! Just like Yaposhi after Hiroshima and Nagasaki! It turns out that you need to shoot at Baska (preferably from a grenade launcher!), So that you are welcomed, smiled and loved! Hmm!
so betray Russia!
Vietnam - The only country in the TTP that I did not understand!

[Maxom75]

TTP from open sources is not only trade, but also the free movement of capital, services and the most interesting: countries that sign the TTP undertake to recognize the decisions of courts of American jurisdiction, i.e. if a Cincinnati justice of the peace fines a billion dollars from a Vietnamese company, she must pay and not argue. Complete substitution of international law. In fact, countries are losing their sovereignty.
Why be surprised? Well, now in Kamran, the Japanese, and not the FIG, were in the nineties ass amers licking. USSR of the late 80s and Russia of the 90s Judas for all allies betrayed everyone, and now we are offended by them. How many students from other countries do we teach at home? We demand a lot of money for training from them, but we could take as the USSR barter, but in return we would prepare the elite of those countries that love Russia. Artek turned into a camp for the rich. Everything is laid down with the children, what we invest in them, and we will live. Moreover, it is necessary to invest now.

[Finntroll]

Well, no, you need to figure out the education for your own first of all, then feed all the popuas! The USSR taught, built, armed and financed! And how did the USSR repay the Afghans, for example? how did the Bulgarians repay? and other "friends-allies" Even the same Jews who must break their head off bowing in gratitude to J.V. Stalin for the creation of such a state as Israel, where are they all? what did they do as they thanked? That's the same! So that's enough pink saliva, just a business approach "money in the morning, chairs in the evening!" or "You are us, we are for you."

[Maxom75]

That is why the United States annually grants scholarships to talented foreigners and teaches them at its own expense, and we can continue to look for ways to make money on everything, and then wonder why elites from different countries make decisions not in our favor.

[vagrant]

It is not the people who betray; the rulers who study in Cambridge and Sorbon betray and become lackeys for the sake of dough.

[Finntroll]

The people also betray or forgets under the onslaught of propaganda, for example, go to the Censor, turn on TSN and marvel at working in the 404th!

[VadimSt]

Quote: brodyaga

It is not the people who betray; the rulers who studied at Cambridge and Sorbon betray ...

It is not possible to disagree! Only those who wish to shout louder can transfer everything to the whole people. The closest confirmation of the events in Montenegro!

[AdekvatNICK]

not a correct comparison.
So what did they burn out, cut out ...

We, too, fought 12 times with the Turks so that we should now break off the deep relations? and with France? about Germany in general I am silent and cooperate with all.

[Evgeniy667b]

Well, our idiots put so many ships and submarines there. But as on the site were expressed - friends, friends ... FIG you, not friends, ..., acclimatization by and large. It's not worth the price of such a "business with weapons". It would be better if these 6 submarines were sent to the Pacific Fleet, it would be more useful.

[AdekvatNICK]

I think our are calculating all the risks and benefits.

[sniper]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

Well, and our idiots put so many ships and submarines there

So after all "set", but not presented ... Feel the difference. The arms trade is perhaps the most lucrative business in the world. Well, something like this...

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: sniper

So after all "set", but not presented ... Feel the difference. The arms trade is perhaps the most lucrative business in the world. Well, something like this...

Comrade Ivanov, when he signed the termination (with the consent of the head of state), he was out of business. Let's dig into the arithmetic of America-Vietnam: 1 to 23 growth. Honestly, I myself will not be able to figure this out in a shucher. Geopolitics is a shaky thing, but we have to to be landmarks: peasant field, bull meadow, fire --- naked Rusich with a cry do not touch me

[glasha3032]

"Set" is good, if at least they paid us with rice, but they could have paid with palm oil!

[Maxom75]

But what is wrong if Vietnam would pay us rice, natural rubber, oil from the shelf, palm oil? Have recalculated the value of goods relative to a gram of gold and exchange. In this case, the dollar can not be used. The transaction is not transparent, for amerovskih banks. Americans don’t know what is delivered, we are also calm that money in our accounts will not freeze.

[clidon]

About the same as you came to the market to sell your car, and you are offered rice for it.

[killganoff]

Not quite the reason. We left Kamrani because we could not give guarantees to Vietnam to protect it from China. The USSR gave such guarantees, for obvious reasons, Russia could not give such guarantees. Nevertheless, Vietnam is still our ally.
Japan is another matter. Vietnam and China have very serious complaints about this country. Whether they will agree to cooperation is a question, although the lesser of the two evils is chosen.

I wonder whom and from whom in general is Russia capable of protecting?

[PSih2097]

Quote: killganoff

I wonder whom and from whom in general is Russia capable of protecting?

theoretically everyone from everyone, using the Strategic Missile Forces ...
"We are peaceful people, we protect the world, we will score a nuclear stake to anyone you want ..."

[ism_ek]

It's not about guarantees. We just do not have money. Russia has not been building ocean surface ships for a long time. More or less we keep afloat Soviet ships, but they are less and less. There is no permanent presence of Russian ships in the South Pacific and will not be in the next 30 years. Why do we need a base there?

[ism_ek]

Quote: yushch

We left Kamrani because we could not give guarantees to Vietnam to protect it from China. Such guarantees were given by the USSR

Which USSR gave guarantees? During the 1979 Sino-Vietnamese War, Vietnam was never helped.

[Normal ok]

[/ quote] What the USSR gave guarantees? During the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979, Vietnam was not helped. [/ Quote]


Do not write about what you do not know. During this war, the USSR actively supplied Vietnam with weapons and advisers. My father then went on a cargo ship to Vietnam. Constantly transported seeders with vertical takeoff :)

[31rus]

I do not agree with you, we need to conduct a "smart" policy ourselves, without interfering in the dispute between China and Vietnam to interact with both, but now, in fact, we are losing Vietnam, and for no good reason

[clidon]

And where else could poor Vietnamese go. China will gobble up, Russia will not restrain it. And the USA and Japan are capital and support.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

These are the times .... If the Japanese, then the Americans will appear there.

[jjj]

Is it in vain that America has included Vietnam in the area of ​​the Pacific Trade Partnership? The Vietnamese engaged in revisionism. Comrade Ho Chi Minh in the mausoleum has already completely twisted

[Penetrator]

We have invested incomparably more funds in the military infrastructure of the Warsaw Pact countries, where the Soviet troops were based. And what now, tomorrow let's go take it back?

[3 Gorynych]

There is land, but here the sea is the problem! Where our fleet will be refueled ... a problem!

[Lelek]

Quote: 3

Where our fleet will be refueled ... a problem!

As where? In China, we have a mutual assistance agreement with him. Cam Ranh was a good base, but there's nothing you can do about it - they missed, so they missed. And the "reliability" of Vietnam - on a pencil.

[OlegLex]

Something tells me what to take.

[Darkoff]

Quote: Penetrator

We have invested incomparably more funds in the military infrastructure of the Warsaw Pact countries, where the Soviet troops were based. And what now, tomorrow let's go take it back?

I agree. We must proceed from modern realities.
Serious kipish is brewing in the region. There are too many participants with "direct interests". We shouldn't go into this cauldron. If we decide which side we will support, we will be able to do this from our territory.
Russia is not yet omnipotent.
So far, we have enough Syria and Ukraine.

[mirag2]

Strange situation.

[dmi.pris1]

Yes, there are no strange things there ... The one who pays, he dances the girl .. The Japanese have a lot of investors there.

Quote: mirag2

Strange situation.

[Sid.74]

Quote: dmi.pris

Yes, there are no strange things there ... The one who pays, he dances the girl .. The Japanese have a lot of investors there.

And Russia is investing in the oil and gas sector!

[hotrunngghia]

Vietnam today invested about $ 6 billion US dollars in Russia, we encourage investors in Russia. Currently, Russia and Japan share oil and gas in the South China Sea (Bien Dong)

[Sid.74]

Even doubts take me about this publication. The more it is the Nikkei that is also the propaganda rag. Japan helped the US in the war against Vietnam.

Japan’s help to the United States in the conduct of the “dirty war” in Vietnam was very significant and diversified in nature. At the beginning of the 60s, Japan supplied to the US Army in Vietnam napalm, a large number of artillery shells, rapid-fire rifles, machine guns, other types of military equipment. All the years of this war, the territory of Japan was used for its continuation and escalation. In Japan, American soldiers underwent military exercises before going to the theater of military operations, rested, healed their wounds, and American military equipment was repaired in Japan. Japanese engineers, sappers and physicians were sent to Vietnam, where they assisted the aggressor in conducting military operations. Thousands of Japanese sailors worked on cargo ships transporting equipment for the armies of the United States and their allies in Vietnam. In this regard, the DRV Foreign Ministry in July 1965 made an official statement, which cited numerous facts of Japan's assistance to the United States in the war against Vietnam. In particular, it was pointed out that Japanese companies supply the US Army "in huge quantities of military equipment, including napalm bombs, sets of equipment for the construction of plants producing ammunition in South Vietnam.

And why do you want to say that the Vietnamese will forget this?

[3 Gorynych]

Depends on the leadership, lately they began to look the other way. Well, of course, our fault is that in due time they turned away from the "friendly people".

[msm]

This Vietnam repays us for helping us defeat the USA ... We take the example of the Bulgarians and others ... If we help, for example, in Nicaragua, then immediately deploy a base there and gain a foothold both military and economic!

[Bombardier]

And someone else wanted to help Nicaragua and set up a base there .... Where are those comrades? Aww ...

[Col.]

Quote: hydrox

But in fact we have poured so much money into this database !!!

He "threw in" the USSR, and the shitcrats leaked everything. What does not bring "quick money" does not interest the current vertical of power. Therefore, there will be no long-term investments either in mechanical engineering, or in science, or even in the construction of bases in friendly (in the past) countries! Only oil money will save the "father of Russian democracy." And oil is getting cheaper ... Therefore, we are rolling deeper into the anus, building shopping and entertainment centers instead of factories, and instead of research institutes and NGOs - offices for the resale of foreign (Chinese) consumer goods.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Colonel

Only oil money will save the "father of Russian democracy"

Set off ..! We say Russia --- we mean Putin, We say Putin --- we mean Sechin !!! Comrade. Colonel, the whole analysis of the past and the present was fit in one sentence. And our future is the World Cup (o) on football amid the impoverishment of ordinary Russians and a cutback in the defense program. This means that researchers and experimenters from our research institutes will be cut in the first place. Perestroika, Yeltsinism and Putinism, our competitor went ahead of the curve (grabbing our allies for themselves, digging even more predatory squid into the global economy. With our fall from the price of oil, they grew by 1.3 over the last quarter, and American politicians don’t have summer cottages on Valdai and near Ryazazanshchina. And the offspring of our co-religionists easily and comfortably live in London. And what is the moral? But there is no morality. It didn’t remain, and maybe never was. Only before the leader took care of his bread, and now: if the Oligarchs lied the bread did not crack.

[swan]

Resumption of activity
On November 12, 2013, during the Russian-Vietnamese talks at the highest level, an agreement was signed between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Vietnamese President Cheong Tan Shang to create a joint base for servicing and repairing submarines in Kamrani. [5]

On November 25, 2014, an agreement was signed during a visit to Sochi by the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam Nguyen Phu Chong, which sets the rules for using Russian warships at the port of Kamran in a simplified manner [6].

Since the spring of 2014, the Kamrani airfield was first used to service the IL-78 aircraft, which provide Tu-95MS aircraft with fuel in the air [7] [8].

From pedovikii.

Base and PMTO are two different things. We were sobsna and left in 2001 saying that we didn’t need a _base_, but in 2010 they said that we needed PMET there. Well, sobsna slowly returning in that quality.
We in that region seem to be not going to fight with anyone. Why do we need a base? This is not a cheap pleasure.
If, for example, some hydrox didn’t play enough as a soldier in childhood, or, say, starcraft and really wants (well, really wants it!) A base in Kamrani, then this is not a reason for Russia to have it there =)

[Skif83]

And pros.rala with the current "popularly elected"! And not only Cam Ranh ... but a lot of other things, I almost shitted my country.
How is that? You lead the largest and most powerful (well, not the U.S.A. the most powerful, their power is akin to their green candy wrappers, thunder will strike and ... hanaim!) And you will surrender your niteres to different Abamas? I’m silent about Eltsin and the humps!

So far, the government, the Duma and other authorities ... are growing (liberals, what did you think? ), we are still "handing over" our Inters, until we attack!
This is so that the Uri-patriots have cooled down.

[Gradus HuK]

And how many debts did Russia write off to friends?

[Koitel]

Key phrase ..... "around which the most active fishing is conducted" ..........

[Altona]

The Japanese media writes that the agreements between Tokyo and Hanoi are concluded against the backdrop of "China's growing influence in this region."
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Something, too, immediately came to mind friendship against China ...

[NordUral]

Yeah, Kolya Zlobin, although he’s still the type, but he often says the right words.

[kil 31]

Cool Hanoi is weird. He converged with his former main enemies. I can imagine now how they will be thought of in China. Suppose you have disputes with China, but you must not forget their help in the war. What will happen to our relationship now? We seem to have the same relation to Kamran, and also if my memory serves me not so long ago, some of our firms signed contracts with China for work on the construction of islands. I do not like when money is above relationships.

[clidon]

And what is their other way out? While the USSR was there, it was possible to rely on it, restraining China and the USA, in the 90s China was not up to the southern neighbors, they made money. And now China has itched fists - the expensive army is idle idle.

[Abbra]

On November 12, 2013, during the Russian-Vietnamese high-level talks, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Vietnamese President Cheong Tan Shang signed an agreement to create a joint base for servicing and repairing submarines in Kamrani.

On November 25, 2014, an agreement was signed during a visit to Sochi by the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam Nguyen Phu Jong, which sets the rules for using Russian warships at the port of Cam Ranh in a simplified manner.

Since the spring of 2014, Kamrani airfield was first used for servicing IL-78 aircraft, which provide Tu-95MS aircraft with refueling in the air.

As I understand it, there is enough space for everyone ...

[Col.]

Quote: Abbra

Since the spring of 2014, Kamrani airfield was first used for servicing IL-78 aircraft, which provide Tu-95MS aircraft with refueling in the air.

Our Tu-95rts Air Force Pacific Fleet (304 odrap) regularly used Kamran as a forward base since the 70's. So everything new is well forgotten old.

[ava09]

I remember recently enthusiastic comments on VOs like: "Russian, Vietnamese - brothers forever." Some "rabid optimists" even suggested that Vietnam would fight for them. -)))

venaya (2) RU October 6, 2015 09:09 ↑
Quote: vovanpain
Interestingly, the Russian Navy will receive such corvettes or Vietnam is more important.

Not only do we need to fight. If Vietnam will support our interests, and not at our expense. What questions may be, we are doing one thing.

[roskot]

Sly glanders are approaching China.

[Saburo]

It has been written more than once that Vietnam will not turn a blind eye to Russia's rapprochement with China. Vietnam's recent purchase of Israeli air defense systems is another example. Of course, the Vietnamese will not directly tell us this, it is ugly and impolite, but actions will follow, such as cooperation with the United States and Japan and the purchase of military products from other suppliers.

[kil 31]

On the eve of the United States called on Vietnam to prohibit the use of a base in Cam Ranh for refueling Russian bombers capable of carrying nuclear warheads.

It was in the spring. Here's a reptile monkey with a black fifth point, but still found approaches to Hanoi.

[msm]

You’ll have to redirect a couple of poplars ... Only no offense, and nothing personal ...

[Mercury]

Apparently in Vietnam appeared his Gorbachev

[pts-m]

Vietnam does not matter who they serve, if only they would pay cash in loot. Otherwise, they will look for various reasons. Trade and service should not be politicized.

[MstislavHrabr]

For Vietnam, Pts are important technologies and investments that the Japanese can give them. They are not going to quarrel with us, but they don’t want to stay alone with China ...

[yan 2015]

so where interests begin, friendship ends.

[kil 31]

Quote: yan 2015

so where interests begin, friendship ends.

After this in the trash all these posters.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Captain Air Force

I guess the reason is our alliance with China! China is Vietnam’s main rival in the region ... I'm afraid there is a conflict of interest. It would be necessary to make friends of these two ... but how? when the hydrocarbon deposits at Spratley’s archipelago are at stake

The conscripted sailor told me - in the early 80s they came to Kamran for refueling, let them go ashore, so the Vietnamese came up, touched us with their hands - is it real? (more than 1,90 in height, in the ironed outfit, this will really be a robot for a peasant, 1,40 in a hat). AND? What's next ? Have you forgotten what you were saved from? Not, definitely, it is necessary to go around the world with a nail driver, a universal argument, the memory is refreshing.

[roskot]

And the controllers will be standing at the entrance to the base.

[ayuric]

Well, just like in a children's reading room about a magpie-crow, to whom it was given, and to whom not ... seriously, the Vietnamese have long been buying weapons around the world, there’s nothing to be offended, but about refueling, and if to counter pirates, this is more commendable than judgmentally, one does not need to remember all wars in order to fight evil. PS how long have you been in Kamran? to talk about pohrenie, and there is still still 80% of Russian standing: KRAZ technicians are standing, KAMAZ and UAZ cars are running, the Russian transformers are still buzzing and giving current, and even the plates on them do not change, but only renew, and much more what is there ...

[31rus]

In this world, for "friendship", you have to pay, you do not need a base, others will pay and use, "bent" prices for air defense, others will put how many times it was written, besides money, the state policy should also be carried out, and not just the amount sold gas, oil, weapons, the base will be sorted out, but Vietnam has already lost the campaign, the question is, where is the savings?

[reut.sib]

And I remembered: the purest water on the beach, you dive and get used to it terribly! The bottom of the coast abruptly breaks off and the black abyss has not been seen anywhere else. But it was a long time ago, about 30 years ago, all the stocks of Amer’s warehouses were already exchanged for stewed, condensed milk , overcoats, households. soap, etc., and Vietnam is no longer the same, probably this is a normal phenomenon. We stood there for five days, but I liked Camran!
Reconnaissance ships will not enter the support base in Vietnam.It's a pity!

[stdemetrio]

As far as I remember, Russia has the right of the first night - at the expense of the future of this base :) there is nothing to tear hair in interesting places

[lopvlad]

The whole problem of the USSR is that instead of just supporting our allies on the world stage, we stupidly kept them at our expense and at our expense.
The trouble is that we did this even within the USSR by not distributing resources fairly for an approximately equal standard of living in a socialist state, but in certain republics (the Baltic states, Ukraine, Georgia).

[slaw14]

In this region, everything revolves around the fish islands of Spratly, where there are also significant reserves of oil and gas. Incidents and clashes have already occurred between China and Vietnam regarding reef ownership.
In my opinion, the United States is trying to draw the neighboring states of the region into striking China.

[Reptiloid]

It’s very unfortunate that they lost friends whom they helped a lot. The Russians have a good attitude towards the Vietnamese. My grandmother’s brother lived in Vietnam for half a life, supervised the construction. He died not so long ago, and he always had his soul in Vietnam. Who knows, maybe I have relatives there. Only now I thought about it.

[Lecha57]

- The fish sideways. - There are great reasons for the Japanese who want to have a military base. Russia, too. I hope the military and politicians of our countries agree.

[Zaurbek]

Eh, everyone jumps. China will allow neighbors to spread out whenever you are!

[igorra]

Quote: Baikonur

And Vietnam entered the Transatlantic Trade Partnership under the auspices of the United States!
How so? These bombed them, cut them out, burned them out, and they "made friends" with them! Just like Yaposhi after Hiroshima and Nagasaki! It turns out that you need to shoot at Baska (preferably from a grenade launcher!), So that you are welcomed, smiled and loved! Hmm!
so betray Russia!
Vietnam - The only country in the TTP that I did not understand!

Understand finally, Asians take good for weakness and begin to treat us like weaklings. They all understand only power, why are so many supporters of Isis recruited? The mentality is such, until you get it between your ears, they don’t understand a damn thing. Who will say what is wrong?

[chunga-changa]

Well, it’s not Putin who dropped the base in 2002. Gorbachev is to blame, or the liberals.

[aviator1913]

The war with the Americans has long been, a generation has already changed. They haven’t been teaching Russian language there for 25 years, but they are learning English, since it helps them in life. By the logic of those people who remind them of the war with the United States, then all cooperation with modern Germany should be curtailed, since they once fought with us.

Wars pass, wounds are healed. Living in the past is a utopia that leads into the abyss.

[AdekvatNICK]

here are bastards !! and I already bought a Vietnamese star