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Russia and Serbia could sign a unique military contract

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Russia and Serbia could sign a unique military contractIn Russia, the three-day visit is Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić. Vzglyad became known to the main purpose of the visit: an unprecedented amount and filling military contract. His signing may be a sensation. In fact, against the background of the scandal with the imminent accession of Montenegro to NATO, Moscow has found a way to avoid joining the alliance still Serbia.


The contract, which brought with him Vucic, involves the almost complete retooling of the Serbian Army under the Russian standards.

Firstly, we are talking about long-term technical support for the Nora howitzers with Russian wheelsets. It is necessary that the machine itself, on which the howitzer gun is installed (this is, in fact, a light BMD used by Russian airborne units), could withstand up to 35 tons of payload. And this requires a contract with KamAZ, which alone is able to retool Serbian systems. “Nora”, as events in Novorossia showed, is extremely useful in everyday life, especially in off-road conditions and uncertain terrain, in particular, in swamps and in mud. It is very important for Serbia with its eternal problems on the Croatian border.

Secondly, the new Serbian platforms “Lazar-2” will be equipped with Russian 30-mm 2А42 guns, better known in the export version as “the 242 product”. The Serbian Light BTR "Lazar-2" is not even a BTR, but rather a kind of lightweight hybrid, similar to what is commonly called the armored reconnaissance and sabotage vehicle (BRDM) in the USSR and modern Russia. It is lighter than the classic platform, but in Serbian conditions, just like Nora, can be used as an offensive assault. weapons. Only for this it must be equipped with serious artillery weapons. Here, under this system, 30-mm guns will be delivered, which have proven themselves well in several local conflicts. They can also be installed in a twin system, which makes the Serbian Lazar-2 almost a light tank. For Balkan conditions, this is a universal weapon that fully meets the needs of the modern Serbian army, which, unlike the old JNA, will not be overloaded with heavy tanks and barrel artillery.

There are a number of questions to the Russian 2А42 system, especially on the accuracy of shooting, but this is already a reflection for professionals. The main thing is that this kind of re-equipment of Serbian ground forces strategically answers precisely Balkan requests. In addition, there is a special export module, which, as a rule, is supplied to third countries, but a new one is likely to be created for Serbia. The 30-mm gun has a different configuration by the number of ammunition (from 250 to 460 shots). At one time, various modifications were attempting to release the old Yugoslavia, but unsuccessfully, and moreover focused on the old wheeled armored personnel carrier Zastava, which had long been discontinued.

Finally, we are talking about possible supplies of missile defense systems to the republic, which is truly unique, both for the very scheme of the Russian-Serbian military-technical cooperation and for the system of organization of the Serbian army itself. Not that in Belgrade they suddenly decided to make war with someone. The organization of the missile defense system, especially for low-flying targets, is a strategic defense system that the old JNA did not have. It is not yet clear what systems the Serbs claim and what amount they are counting on, but it is already clear that organizing a missile defense system on low-flying targets is a unique contract, comparable only to C-300 supplies to Iran. It is possible, by the way, that such systems are being discussed now.

In the Serbian General Staff emphasized that the essence of the issue in countering tactical missiles, do not have a ballistic trajectory. These in the region have only NATO countries, and not the traditional opponents of Belgrade.

Such re-Serb army, if it really will be implemented, will lead to the practical failure of any plans for Serbia's integration into NATO, because in fact displays the republic from a single system modernization, which is prepared in the alliance to new countries, but will also create an independent missile defense system in the region. In addition, most of the new supply of the Serbian Army will be focused on the Russian system of ammunition and spare parts, which does not allow for the transition of Belgrade to NATO standards caliber and unification of supply.
The total amount of the proposed contract is difficult to calculate, but it can tentatively fluctuate around five billion euros - an amount unthinkable for the Balkan countries. Against this background, any energy and innovative projects are dim, even if it is assumed that the contract will be based on a long-term credit system.

In addition to the above, Serbia will receive up to a dozen transport helicopters, two of which have already been paid, and one of them will come to the republic until the end of this year. The Serbian army is now claiming to have and attack helicopters, but it's unclear what specific configuration. It is possible that the total number of helicopter fleet exceeds 16 units.

In any case the contract if it is implemented, is unique not only for Serbia but for the whole Balkan region as a whole.
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  1. Magic archer
    Magic archer 30 October 2015 05: 44 New
    23
    Drugan recently flew in from Serbia. He visited the guys of Cervena Zvezda fans. He speaks gorgeously! Russians are very well treated, not expensive and Serbs are very beautiful girls) but now, in fact. Re-equipment is certainly good, but I have one question, where does the money come from? Serbia is not a rich country. A major rearmament requires very large finances
    1. The lead
      The lead 30 October 2015 06: 59 New
      20
      Quote: Magic Archer
      One question, where did the money come from?
      The question should be asked in a different way: for what or where is the money? What role does the modern Russian Federation play in geopolitics? If we advocate a multipolar world, declarations alone are not enough, real steps are needed and support for the allies can be such a step. Of course, the Russian Federation has more modest opportunities compared to the USSR, but there is no need to maintain half the world, it’s enough to support a state that is of key importance in the region and rely on it, as the United States did in relation to Israel. If Serbia officially changes its political orientation from NATO towards Russia, then it will be an unconditional victory for the Russian Federation. Then Serbia’s expectations regarding serious support for the Russian Federation will be fully justified. The Russian government has matured in order to be a reliable ally whom you can trust.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 30 October 2015 08: 02 New
        +9
        we are talking about possible deliveries of missile defense systems to the republic, which is really unique, both for the very scheme of Russian-Serbian military-technical cooperation and for the very system of organizing the army of Serbia. It’s not that in Belgrade they suddenly decided to fight with someone. The organization of the missile defense system, especially for low-flying targets, is a strategic defensive system that the old JNA did not have. It’s not yet clear what systems Serbs claim and for what amount they expect, but it’s already clear that the organization of a missile defense system for low-flying targets is a unique contract comparable only with the supply of S-300 to Iran. It is possible, by the way, that we are now talking about such systems.
        Well, that’s what NATO bastards have been waiting for! Here is the answer to your wounded missile defense system in Europe! After all, they warned that the answer would be! Mirror, asymmetric .. at least as you say, but it's called simply! S-300 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. Chertkov Oleg
          Chertkov Oleg 30 October 2015 08: 42 New
          +7
          It looks like the next color revolution will be in Serbia, the “partners” will not let them go.
      2. Nick
        Nick 30 October 2015 10: 26 New
        +6
        Quote: Lead
        Of course, the Russian Federation has more modest opportunities in comparison with the USSR, but there is no need to maintain half the world, it is enough to support the state, which is of key importance in the region and rely on it, as the USA did in relation to Israel

        Absolutely right! It should be noted that today Serbia is the only possible ally of Russia in the Balkans.
        1. kodxnumx
          kodxnumx 30 October 2015 12: 12 New
          +5
          I’m sure if we want the Serbs to be our allies, not just in words but in practice, we’ll have to try very hard, not for that their NATO and the USA were bombing so that it would be so easy to release them into the arms of Russia.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 30 October 2015 12: 46 New
            -1
            Quote: kod3001
            I’m sure if we want the Serbs to be our allies, not just in words but in practice, we’ll have to try very hard, not for that their NATO and the USA were bombing so that it would be so easy to release them into the arms of Russia.

            Will we have to try ??? Seriously?
            How tired of you and your little brothers. They were bombed by NATO, killed civilians, children - and then they voted for parties in favor of the European Union, and therefore for joining NATO. Which one is an ally, read the story. Serbia is doing what is beneficial to it, and the Russians are always doing what is beneficial to Serbia, and not Russia. It's time to stop.
            1. Silent
              Silent 31 October 2015 02: 28 New
              +2
              Serbia is a special friend of Russia. Let’s say, Bulgaria - it didn’t really turn out to be people after many years of travel, they are broken forever ... And the Serbs (and Montenegrins too!) Are brothers in faith and arms, since the time of Napoleon. Do not believe? -

              Here are the poems of Pushkin yet:

              "Montenegrins - what is it? -
              Bonaparte asked. -
              True eh is an evil tribe
              Not afraid of our strength? .. "- etc.

              Yes and imagine Joy of NATO: in the Balkans, our, in fact, air defense systems ... Old Man himself - will envy!)
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 31 October 2015 02: 56 New
              0
              Quote: Your friend
              Will we have to try ??? Seriously?

              I apologize for the minus, mistake .. the picture jumped at this moment, I agree with you completely hi
              Adjusted in profile
    2. nazar_0753
      nazar_0753 30 October 2015 14: 15 New
      +2
      Money may not necessarily come directly. You can give Russian companies priority in tenders, you can reduce customs duties for some Russian goods, you can agree on joint projects that our companies can implement, taking advantage of Serbia’s geographical advantage (open some kind of repair facilities for Soviet technology, for example). Well, I'm not talking about the fact that you can pay not only with money, but also with public support for various actions of our country
    3. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 30 October 2015 18: 23 New
      +1
      The concept of “distant frontiers” (poached by “democrats”), which was most effective in its essence and content in the Soviet past, is now especially relevant.
      I’ll add from myself (as a participant in a number of peacekeeping operations of the Russian Airborne Forces in the republics of the Former Yugoslavia in the 1990s) that I was always perplexed about the withdrawal of our peacekeeping units from the Former Yugoslavia, which could quickly be deployed to full-fledged military without. And for which the Serbs (both in Greater Serbia and in the Republic of Serbian Bosnia and Herzegovina) were very happy. But ... (there are a lot of swear words) "Yeltsin-Kozyrev diplomacy" (Kozyrev, by the way, now in the USA (can you imagine the scale of CHANGE)) did its job (a strategic mistake (?) At the Khasavyut-96 level and the scale of the GDR surrender). For the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the center of Europe discipline not only countries, but also the consciousness of their citizens, as well as sometimes refresh memory.
      He who puts things in order dictates the rules! Again, Russia fulfills its historical role in relation to Euro-wits. And most importantly - it protects itself at distant frontiers.
      And these are questions of the highest category and order - national security.
      I will quote: “Everything was, and everything will be” (Ecclesiastes).
      What would Russia-Great Russia be called!
      PS But the Serbs and Montenegrins fellows - believed in Great Russia, despite our “schools” and, as a result, the aggression of the NATO. Faith, hope, love are not empty words, however.
      1. Silent
        Silent 31 October 2015 02: 33 New
        0
        I agree 100 percent!
        I join the opinion.
    4. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 30 October 2015 18: 31 New
      +2
      Dumb krst without three prst!
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 30 October 2015 18: 34 New
        +5
        Common Faith - Common Enemies!
    5. brother2
      brother2 1 November 2015 00: 10 New
      +1
      Yes, again they put Russia in bast shoes — all on credit and then they don’t have money, but forgive the Slavs for their own sake. Russia’s undermining is economically the same as a high-level deviation. Besides the Syrians, I don’t trust anyone and the Serbs as they surrendered their military generals.
    6. RUSS
      RUSS 1 November 2015 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      the question is, where did the money come from ?! Serbia is not a rich country.

      In debt, and then write off as a floor to the world of the world, debts since the days of the USSR
  2. exalex2
    exalex2 30 October 2015 05: 56 New
    -20
    You can sign anything. Is there any reason? Betrayed more than once .. "brother". What do they have that we don’t have? Well, if only the desire to "stick" somewhere. Will we "strive" together? Some questions, but it makes no sense. Reeling back and forth will never lead to good ..
    1. Goga101
      Goga101 30 October 2015 06: 12 New
      30
      exalex2 - Colleague, who “betrayed” whom - eh? You do not confuse Serbs with Bulgarians?
      Serbs The only people in Europe who really fought with the Nazis throughout the war, all the rest were either allies of Hitler (like the Bulgarians), or lay down almost without resistance (like the French). And today, unlike the Czechs, Slovaks and other Romanians, Serbia is not NATO member, although the pressure on them is furious.
      Before you blame the whole nation for betrayal - at least take a little interest in its real story hi
      1. Nick
        Nick 30 October 2015 10: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: Goga101
        Before you blame the whole nation for betrayal - at least take a little interest in its real story

        That's right!
      2. Your friend
        Your friend 30 October 2015 12: 47 New
        -4
        Quote: Goga101
        exalex2 - Colleague, who “betrayed” whom - eh? You do not confuse Serbs with Bulgarians?
        Serbs The only people in Europe who really fought with the Nazis throughout the war, all the rest were either allies of Hitler (like the Bulgarians), or lay down almost without resistance (like the French). And today, unlike the Czechs, Slovaks and other Romanians, Serbia is not NATO member, although the pressure on them is furious.
        Before you blame the whole nation for betrayal - at least take a little interest in its real story hi

        Why are you fooling that one? Great Britain is a completely European country "really fought with the Nazis throughout the war."
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 1 November 2015 07: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Your friend
          Great Britain is a completely European country "really fought with the Nazis throughout the war."

          At the same time supplying the Wehrmacht, in particular the army of Rommel, with spare parts for tanks and aircraft, without which there is nothing to do in the Sahara. Well, yes, business is business. And so the enemies to death of course, yeah.
          1. Your friend
            Your friend 3 November 2015 14: 58 New
            0
            Quote: novobranets
            Quote: Your friend
            Great Britain is a completely European country "really fought with the Nazis throughout the war."

            At the same time supplying the Wehrmacht, in particular the army of Rommel, with spare parts for tanks and aircraft, without which there is nothing to do in the Sahara. Well, yes, business is business. And so the enemies to death of course, yeah.

            What? Evidence in the studio.
      3. Naum
        Naum 30 October 2015 12: 56 New
        +1
        Not the only one. In reality, strange as it may seem, Albania fought with the Germans.
    2. exalex2
      exalex2 30 October 2015 06: 16 New
      -23
      My "comments" are just "Assumptions." But, I am NEVER wrong. Unfortunately..
      1. Letun
        Letun 30 October 2015 07: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: exalex2
        My "comments" are just "Assumptions." But, I am NEVER wrong. Unfortunately..

        Ahaha laughing Man, thanks for the mood in the morning good
      2. Penetrator
        Penetrator 30 October 2015 08: 19 New
        +6
        Quote: exalex2
        My "comments" are just "Assumptions." But, I am NEVER wrong. Unfortunately..

        The spirit of the great soothsayer dwelt in the chosen one! Listen to his words, for the oracle of this tokmo speaks true revelations! laughing
        PS "Never", typed in caps, finally broke laughing
      3. just exp
        just exp 30 October 2015 08: 36 New
        +8
        Schuher people, Postradamus on the forum.
      4. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 30 October 2015 18: 36 New
        +3
        Unfortunately, you are an ignoramus in History and all the more so in matters of national security.
    3. dvg79
      dvg79 30 October 2015 09: 45 New
      0
      Congratulations, I was blown away for similar statements yesterday, so let me virtually shake your hand.
      1. djqnbdjqnb
        djqnbdjqnb 30 October 2015 11: 18 New
        +3
        Zamususuyut, most likely, for the tone of the statement, and not for the essence. Serbia is in the center of Europe, and their politicians can be stupidly broken, as they broke the Czech president about his presence in Moscow on May 9. NATO, the EU, the US are weakening, but still very strong, especially in relation to Serbia. But the whole point is in the mood of the country's population.
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 30 October 2015 12: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: djqnbdjqnb
          Zamususuyut, most likely, for the tone of the statement, and not for the essence. Serbia is in the center of Europe, and their politicians can be stupidly broken, as they broke the Czech president about his presence in Moscow on May 9. NATO, the EU, the US are weakening, but still very strong, especially in relation to Serbia. But the whole point is in the mood of the country's population.

          What does it mean to break politicians? For these politicians the people vote in the elections. And the program of the party Vucic says "Military neutrality. Only logical actions during the period of exacerbation between Russia and NATO." What ally do we have for Serbia?
    4. Your friend
      Your friend 30 October 2015 12: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: exalex2
      You can sign anything. Is there any reason? Betrayed more than once .. "brother". What do they have that we don’t have? Well, if only the desire to "stick" somewhere. Will we "strive" together? Some questions, but it makes no sense. Reeling back and forth will never lead to good ..

      There will be another loan to the little brothers. We ourselves have problems above the roof, but we will give the little brothers a loan, only to “nate” to annoy.
    5. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 30 October 2015 18: 26 New
      +6
      How many Serbs do you have?
      -We and two hundred million Russians!
      -Well, without Russians, how much?
      -How is it without the Russians? We won’t leave the Russians alone!
      ________________
      You, Srba, colic ima?
      - Us and Rusa Ima ... 200 million!
      -And ber Rus?
      -Kako mean that without Rus? Mi Rousse is not IZUSIMAMO!
      1. andj61
        andj61 30 October 2015 18: 38 New
        0
        Quote: 30 vis
        How many Serbs do you have?
        -We and two hundred million Russians!
        -Well, without Russians, how much?
        -How is it without the Russians? We won’t leave the Russians alone!

        I heard the other ending:
        Us without Russians - two chambers (that is, two trucks). hi
  3. EFA
    EFA 30 October 2015 05: 59 New
    +5
    Very unexpected. It seems that this is a frank rebellion on the euro ship. With finances, it is really not entirely clear where Serbia will get such funds from, but it is quite possible that other interests are behind the deal. For example, a significant discount subject to the construction or other business carried out by Russia in Serbia. Perhaps this is a political preference on the part of Serbia. I do not exclude that the equipment will be on credit.
    1. exalex2
      exalex2 30 October 2015 06: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: EFA
      I do not exclude that the equipment will be on credit.

      Everything is as usual. Something has changed? The USSR is not dead. After all, we are still alive ..
      1. EFA
        EFA 30 October 2015 08: 48 New
        +1
        Yes sir. And then we will write off the debts again, we will give them presents.
        1. Nick
          Nick 30 October 2015 10: 34 New
          +4
          Quote: EFA
          Yes sir. And then we will write off the debts again, we will give them presents.

          And our interest in this case is not in making profit from sales. For us, profit is in acquiring a strong ally and friendly country in the Balkans. It's not about trade, but about geopolitics however ...
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 31 October 2015 03: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Nick
            It's not about trade, but about geopolitics however ...

            Then you will pay for it at the gas station and in the supermarket ...
            1. liuk gud
              liuk gud 31 October 2015 19: 47 New
              0
              It is better to pay a small percentage of the top for your peace of mind than to pay a triple price in case of loss of independence.
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 30 October 2015 07: 37 New
      +1
      Yes, most likely the equipment will be on credit. Confidence is irrevocable, as always, unfortunately.
      1. Locksmith
        Locksmith 30 October 2015 13: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: iliitch
        Yes, most likely the equipment will be on credit. Confidence is irrevocable, as always, unfortunately.

        Well, at least we know for sure that the Serbs are able and willingly use our air defense systems in confrontation with NATO, a historically proven fact wink
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 30 October 2015 06: 00 New
    +1
    What is it ? Will they really stop bending? This, by the way, is not such a reversal from NATO, 180 degrees? It is not clear yet, we’ll wait for the third day of the visit. And with the money, yes, where from? Well, it’s not Hollande who threw themselves with Merkels.
  5. Gray 43
    Gray 43 30 October 2015 06: 06 New
    +4
    I remember Nikolic’s speech when he proposed to deploy a Russian military base in Serbia, so to speak, to balance with the NATO base in Kosovo, but this didn’t come to that
  6. Strong
    Strong 30 October 2015 06: 23 New
    +4
    A friend is in trouble, and a brother in war ...
  7. lotar
    lotar 30 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +3
    Most likely they won’t give it, because the Serbs can’t get bogged down in the European horror kaleidoscope, but this is not at all like a sickle in the balls, because then their equipment will not be sold to this Balkan country for their loans either. As hope dies last, let’s hope that my forecast does not come true and ours can deliver all the named and unnamed equipment.
  8. samarin1969
    samarin1969 30 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +2
    It is unlikely that Europe will allow Vučić to establish military-technical cooperation with Russia ... In Belgrade, there are a lot of their "maidansers" ...
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    2. exalex2
      exalex2 30 October 2015 06: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: samarin1969
      It is unlikely that Europe will allow Vučić to establish military-technical cooperation with Russia ... In Belgrade, there are a lot of their "maidansers" ...

      Never,
      1. just exp
        just exp 30 October 2015 08: 37 New
        +3
        and if so, are you ready to gobble up my socks?
  9. pv1005
    pv1005 30 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +1
    The contract is good. But would Serbia’s neighbors ("active" NATO bloc members) want to ban the transit of armaments from / to Serbia solely on their own?
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 30 October 2015 07: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: pv1005
      But would Serbia’s neighbors ("active" NATO bloc members) want to ban the transit of armaments from / to Serbia solely on their own?

      why on earth? Is Serbia a party to some kind of conflict?
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 30 October 2015 09: 07 New
        -1
        Quote: Das Boot
        Quote: pv1005
        But would Serbia’s neighbors ("active" NATO bloc members) want to ban the transit of armaments from / to Serbia solely on their own?

        why on earth? Is Serbia a party to some kind of conflict?

        1. Ordered from a chosen nation.
        2. An attempt to make friends with the "world evil" (according to Babamka).
        3. Russia in Ukraine is also not a party to the conflict, but I don’t want to impose sanctions on most. True, we do not care. hi
  10. lwxx
    lwxx 30 October 2015 06: 47 New
    0
    This is such a veiled, NATO failure. At least a good hint to the rest of Europe about the EU’s internal policies.
  11. NKVD
    NKVD 30 October 2015 06: 53 New
    +3
    Doubtful contract. Serbia seeks to sit on two chairs, and this is not reliable.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 30 October 2015 07: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: NKVD
      Doubtful contract.

      no, in general, nothing dubious. The contract is like a contract. The government will change, NATO cockroaches will move - annul. True copyright bubbles about the "sensationalism" and "uniqueness" are not entirely clear.
    2. Evgeniy667b
      Evgeniy667b 31 October 2015 06: 00 New
      +1
      That's exactly the NKVD! Reliability is very doubtful here. The Serbian leader will not please the mattresses, they will remove him. And our arms deliveries, as well as financial injections, cried. First time or what?
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  12. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 30 October 2015 06: 55 New
    -2
    Guys, I'm the only one who paid attention to the "hole" ... SAU 2S9 "Nona"! "Journalism Commodities" would like to wish for a more "deeper penetration" into what they write about ...
    For the rest, according to the article, we will see ... NATO balances in the south of Europe, as well as in the east of the Mediterranean, read Syria, Russia needs.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 30 October 2015 08: 15 New
      +1
      Not the only thing here is not the point. Well, a man made a mistake, he’s not special .. According to Channel One, News sometimes "gives birth" to this - the ears are screwed up.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 30 October 2015 09: 09 New
      +6
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
      Guys, I'm the only one who paid attention to the "hole" ... SAU 2S9 "Nona"! "To Comrade Journalists"

      For expertoffs comrades:
  13. Wolka
    Wolka 30 October 2015 07: 05 New
    0
    it's not so simple, wait and see ...
  14. silver169
    silver169 30 October 2015 07: 44 New
    +2
    Well, God forbid, that this contract is realized and Serbia remains friendly to Russia. This would be a worthy blow to NATO fascists.
  15. Das Boot
    Das Boot 30 October 2015 07: 50 New
    +1
    "Burrows", as events in Novorossiya have shown, are extremely useful in everyday life, especially in off-road conditions and an indefinite terrain, in particular in marshes and in mud.(C)
    howitzer for a housewife after a vacuum cleaner and a lawn mower - an indispensable thing, yes.
  16. Barakuda
    Barakuda 30 October 2015 08: 07 New
    +2
    What is fuss about? In my Russian defense industry, it’s all the same where to sell that to Saudi Arabia (quite friends sad ) that to Serbia (really not friends request )
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 30 October 2015 08: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Barracuda
      What is fuss about? In my Russian military-industrial complex, where to sell

      here I am about the same)
      What the fuck is a "unique military contract"?
      It would be unique if the United States sold an automatic loader for Abrasha or 100500 UAZ-Patriot car kits for the USMC laughing
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 30 October 2015 08: 33 New
        +3
        Well, at least UAZ sells bridges for Land Rovers in South Africa, and that’s good. Relatives can’t stand it. winked
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 30 October 2015 08: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Barracuda
          Well, at least UAZ sells bridges for Land Rovers in South Africa, and that’s good.

          I haven’t heard ... I know about the Volvo “Laplanders” in the 90s Def - et'da. I'll climb a surfboard. Or exile, please. Curiously.
      2. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 30 October 2015 12: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Das Boot
        Unique would be

        Such a breed was formed - a unique one having no analogues in the world ... very often from article to article "sharks of feathers, jackals of rotary machines" fellow
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 30 October 2015 13: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: afdjhbn67
          Such a breed was formed - a unique one having no analogues in the world ... very often from article to article "sharks of feathers, jackals of rotary machines"

          ... and the knights of the blue screens ....
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 1 November 2015 07: 48 New
        -1
        Quote: Das Boot
        100500 UAZ Patriot car kits for USMC

        At one time, in their army there were many UAZ-469, they were taken by ama willingly. Patency, plus price and ease of maintenance attracted.
  17. Balagan
    Balagan 30 October 2015 08: 26 New
    -1
    Directly the Russian military enclave inside NATO. True, if the Montenegrin authorities are able to drag the country into NATO. And then again reunited with Serbia ...
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 30 October 2015 09: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: booth
      Directly the Russian military enclave inside NATO.

      What is it like? Already posted the Russian contingent? The Danube flotilla launched?
  18. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 October 2015 11: 00 New
    +3
    I do not quite understand how a wheelset and a 30-mm cannon will lead to complete re-equipment "under Russian standards." In my opinion, a sensation occurred only in the head of a journalist.
  19. Tomich2
    Tomich2 30 October 2015 11: 44 New
    +2
    And what is unique about it? Re-equipment again at the expense of the Russian loan, which will then be written off
  20. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 30 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +5
    Not everything is simple with the Serbs either. They fought with the Fritz, but ... not forgetting, they fought for the "great" Serbia, and there the Montenegrins fought there ... and the Albanians for the great ... Macedonia, etc. And they took help from everyone from the Russians and from the British and so on. The same Tito created a “great” Serbia, calling it Yugoslavia, created it on the bayonets of the Serbian partisan detachments and crushed the Croats who descended themselves by the genocide, as well as repressing a decent number of Montenegrins and Albanians who interfered with him and ousting Albanian partisans to the territory of Albania . Then this same Yugoslavia began to pursue a completely anti-Soviet policy, supplying weapons to Israel and other regimes that fought against “communism” and always voted against the USSR at the UN. For this, this same Yugoslavia “bathed” in overseas loans, about which there was a hint that they would not need to be given back, building like Greece something between capitalism and socialism under the “wing” of the West. Everything changed overnight — when the Soviet Union collapsed and there was no need to contain a “sample” of “Western democracy in the Slavic fashion” —loans immediately stopped feeding and demanded denyuyu back, but denyuzhka then no .... denyuzhka bye bye. And it began ... But even during the collapse of Yugoslavia, the Serbs themselves did not get rid of their "imperial" ambitions, despite the changed alignment of forces with the collapse of the USSR. And now they are rushing around and don’t know what to do, on the one hand they began to mess with relations with Russia in favor of the "West", as there "nishtyakov" loomed more in their opinion, in comparison with Russia, which fell under the "sanction "but then, after seeing that the days of Europe were generally numbered, well, it could not withstand such an influx of Muslim migrants, who still need to be fed, no matter how hard they try, they immediately turned to Russia — like we are for you, we’re kind of brothers . Yeah brothers. Actually, I advise our “Uri-patriots” to turn their brains on this issue once again (of course, if they have them) and remember that it was the shot of Nikola Pritvice that led to the First World War, which, by and large, licked "the Russian Empire from the world map.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 30 October 2015 12: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      seeing that the days of Europe are generally numbered

      I would not be in a hurry.
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      immediately turned to Russia, such as we are for you, we are like brothers.

      well, simplification is also not necessary.
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Nicola Pritvitsa

      or principle?
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 30 October 2015 12: 03 New
        0
        "Sorry" - Nicola Principle. smile
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 30 October 2015 12: 25 New
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          Quote: Monster_Fat
          "Sorry" - Nicola Principle. smile

          Gavril? ..
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat 30 October 2015 14: 10 New
            +1
            Absolutely "in the hole." wink
    2. dvg79
      dvg79 30 October 2015 15: 27 New
      0
      Thank you for the expanded koment, yesterday wrote about the same in brief, and you have much more detailed and justified facts.
    3. andj61
      andj61 30 October 2015 18: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The same Tito created the “great” Serbia, calling it Yugoslavia, created it on the bayonets of the Serbian partisan detachments and crushed the Croats who descended themselves by genocide, as well as repressing a decent number of Montenegrins and Albanians who interfered with it and ousting Albanian partisans to the territory of Albania.

      In fact, Tito himself was the son of a Croatian and Slovenian, and built precisely Yugoslavia, and not Great Serbia! And he created it not on the “bayonets of the Serbian partisan detachments”, but on the basis of the partisan detachments organized by the Communists, which formed the People’s Liberation Army of Yugoslavia, led by Tito on July 4, 1941. Fighting with the Nazis, the head of the communist movement Josip Broz Tito found a common language both with the West, and at first with the USSR. Tito's advantage was the multinational composition of his movement, while other movements were mono-ethnic.
      After the war, he tried to build a "Great Yugoslavia", or rather the Balkan Federation as part of Yugoslavia, Bulgaria and Albania, but he quarreled with Stalin, and Bulgaria and Albania were not enthusiastic about this - the idea failed.
      So you are wrong - Tito was a communist, not a Serbian nationalist.
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 30 October 2015 20: 24 New
        +2
        Tito was the same "communist" as Chiang Kashi is "one field of berries." By the way, Tito did not consider Stalin to be a “communist," and it was for this that he respected him. His, as you say "multinational" army, in fact, 90% consisted of Serbs. And the fact that, as you say, Tito was not a Serb by nationality, just does not say anything, Stalin was also not Russian ...
  21. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 30 October 2015 12: 34 New
    +3
    Vucic will come home, the account is opened in front of him as much as he needs, and he will hide the contract in the far shelf of the forgotten closet, Serbia is easy to block along the borders, all neighbors in NATO and Montenegro are occupied by friendly democracy aides, I think at the moment this is a futile adventure.
  22. red_october
    red_october 30 October 2015 18: 34 New
    +1
    Russia and Serbia could sign a unique military contract

    I would like to, but as soon as the EU and the USA realize how real it is, they will open their mouths, they will have this contract for 5 yards of greenery in the same place as South Stream /

    For Serbia, this is an important test - it will bend - the EU will eat it, and any relations, political and economic, will come to naught. Russians will no longer be invited to parades in Belgrade. Yes, and the parades in the EU rely different from those of normal countries - the winners of fascism.
  23. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 October 2015 21: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: Lead
    The Russian government is ripe enough to be a reliable ally whom you can trust.

    Well, you can’t hope for our government, let them first prove their legal capacity, and any manager from the Magnit store can sell something. But the Russian Federation is ripe for a more skillful government, which is able not only to sell oil, but also to raise the economy in all the necessary sectors. And the fact that the Serbs are drawn to the Russian Federation should be used to the benefit of us and to the benefit of Serbia, and it’s time to slowly “conquer” the Balkans from NATO, but before that the time has not come yet - the strength must be accumulated and concentrated on countering NATO, ending the crisis in Syria and Ukraine! soldier
  24. egsp
    egsp 30 October 2015 22: 12 New
    +2
    Well, the author gave it ... Since when was the BRDM a reconnaissance and sabotage vehicle, when there was always a reconnaissance and patrol vehicle.
  25. excomandante
    excomandante 31 October 2015 04: 46 New
    +2
    It’s good, of course, that with such naive enthusiasm we consider the Serbs to be reliable allies, only Serbia breaks with all the dope, the Serbian troops have recently participated along with the Yankees and “little brothers” in the exercises to repel Russian aggression, the same prime minister The minister says that he wants to be a reliable ally of the United States, so there are no more reasons for euphoria than in general. Shurygin was in Serbia during the war, so amazed that in Belgrade most of the men calmly blew wine (though, they generously poured Russian volunteers fighting for them too) and dodged the draft, not that they didn’t join the army voluntarily. You never know what was there during the Second World War. Then
    the Serbs were attacked, people began to be massacred, they defended themselves in order to survive, and not in order to urgently help the USSR. If at least they do not join NATO, it’s already good. And at the household level, Americans treat us normally, if that. Russia has no allies, as you know.
  26. exalex2
    exalex2 31 October 2015 07: 23 New
    +1
    It would be with whom .. Russia signs an agreement. With whom? No one else found? The history of the Great Patriotic War does not teach anything.