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Media: China can firmly respond to US provocations

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Episodes such as the appearance of American ships in the waters of the South China Sea near the disputed Nansha Islands will not remain unanswered by the PRC, writes the Diplomat magazine.


Media: China can firmly respond to US provocations


"These actions can be viewed as a direct provocation against Beijing - Washington wants to show by its maneuvers that he will not accept China’s construction of artificial islands in the South China Sea and territorial claims that may follow these projects," the article quotes RIA News.

In addition, by their behavior the United States wants to demonstrate to the allies in Asia that "Americans can control the actions of the regional superpower," the newspaper notes.

"Washington's operation may also be a reaction to strong resistance from Russia in Syria - Moscow" checked "the US Middle East positions, and Washington, in turn, used the Asia-Pacific region as a place to demonstrate strength," the magazine writes.

According to the author, "the likelihood is growing that China will accelerate preparations for the conflict (with the United States), since Beijing is more alert than ever by the behavior of Washington in the South China Sea."

“If the US does not abandon its“ old habit ”- conducting intelligence operations on the waters of China - and does not adjust its attitude towards Beijing in accordance with the potential that it currently possesses, then the likelihood of a military clash between the two states is high,” the publication believes.

“The United States should understand that the South China Sea, like Taiwan Island, Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and Tibet, is now China’s key national interest — Beijing will not back down from these positions in these regions,” the author writes.

Beijing is not trying to use force, it only protects the main interests of the state from outside encroachment, including from South Asian countries that have declared their rights to the disputed territories.

“China is pursuing a fully defensive policy in the South China Sea, but the West does not recognize this fact. Anyway, any tangible encroachment on the sovereignty of China will certainly cause Beijing’s harsh response, ”the author concludes.

The correctness of the findings of the magazine was fully confirmed by the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the PRC, Yan Yujun, who said that China would take all measures to protect sovereignty in case of a re-direction of American ships to the South China Sea.

“We urge the United States not to go even further down the wrong path. However, if the US insists on its own, we will take all the necessary measures. We are firmly and resolutely committed to protecting our sovereignty and security, ”said Yujun at a press conference.

The Pentagon, in turn, confirmed the entry of the American destroyer Lassen into the waters of the South China Sea near the disputed islands of Nansha and did not rule out that such "operations will continue to be carried out in the coming weeks and months."
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REUTERS / US Navy / Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Martin Wright
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  1. avvg
    avvg 29 October 2015 17: 24 New
    +45
    And we also expect from China a tough response to Washington’s provocative actions, and not the 101 last Chinese warning.
    1. jjj
      jjj 29 October 2015 17: 27 New
      +10
      Yes, let yourself be warned. It will not leave China, but for the United States it is an indicator of helplessness
    2. Tor5
      Tor5 29 October 2015 17: 32 New
      +12
      Yes, it would be very nice if China responded and responded with deed, not a word.
      1. Simon
        Simon 29 October 2015 17: 49 New
        +6
        China's fleet is still weak and the Americans know about it, so they show off. Strengthen the Chinese fleet and the Americans shut up.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 29 October 2015 20: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: Simon
          China's fleet is still weak and the Americans know about it, so they show off. Strengthen the Chinese fleet and the Americans shut up.

          The weak is not weak, but they can sulk, this is the main thing. States in the region just fit in with Yap. They cannot but do this.
      2. venaya
        venaya 29 October 2015 18: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: Tor5
        Yes, it would be very nice if China responded and responded with deed, not a word.

        How exactly can you answer, can mine approaches to the islands? And announce it to everyone.
        1. razzhivin
          razzhivin 29 October 2015 18: 39 New
          0
          For example, to make a peaceful flyby by a front-line bomber at an altitude of 50 meters ... I think the crew will not find it enough ...
          1. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 29 October 2015 19: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: razzhivin
            For example, make a peaceful flyby by a front-line bomber at a height of 50 meters

            http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/29/reagan/
            yes soldier
            Fighters from an aircraft carrier of the US Navy climbed to intercept the Russian Tu-142
            Four fighters took off from the aircraft carrier Ronald Reagan to intercept Russian aircraft that were nearby. This was reported by the newspaper of the American armed forces Stars and Stripes with reference to representatives of the 7th US fleet.
            It was about two Tu-142 anti-submarine aircraft approaching the aircraft carrier at a distance of one nautical mile at low altitude - 500 feet (about 150 meters). "Ronald Reagan" was in neutral waters east of the coast of the Korean Peninsula, participating in joint exercises with the South Korean fleet.
            Since Russian aircraft did not respond to requests, the aircraft carrier picked up four F / A-18 Super Hornet fighters to intercept.
            In the past two years, cases of active maneuvering of Russian aircraft near NATO aircraft and ships have sharply increased. This behavior, which was normal practice during the Cold War, provokes protests from Pentagon officials.
            =====
            at a height of "150 meters" and without responding to requests - will they again curse ??? winked
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    4. gothartus
      gothartus 29 October 2015 17: 32 New
      +3
      It’s tough only Europeans and Yapi have always done China itself. And the Chinese themselves do not know how further than big words. Strong eggs are needed for this - and this is not about the Chinese.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 29 October 2015 17: 40 New
        +12
        Not so smart. China, how many thousand years? And how many states? Think first, and then speak.
        1. forwarder
          forwarder 29 October 2015 17: 49 New
          -17
          And how much, feel free to ask? And also do not hesitate to ask, but what do you call the word "China"? And then, after all, the "origins of the USA" can also be fished out in Ancient Rome. And even much deeper. If you wish.
          1. inferno_nv
            inferno_nv 29 October 2015 17: 59 New
            +13
            The origins of the studio! Or just like blah blah blah. The origins of the United States in Ancient Rome wassat!
          2. unsinkable
            unsinkable 29 October 2015 18: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: forwarder
            And how much, feel free to ask? And also do not hesitate to ask, but what do you call the word "China"? And then, after all, the "origins of the USA" can also be fished out in Ancient Rome. And even much deeper. If you wish.

            hiFeel free to flip. Your comment, colleague, complete nonsense.
          3. EvgNik
            EvgNik 29 October 2015 18: 20 New
            +3
            Quote: forwarder
            what do you call the word "China"

            An interesting statement of the question. Today I didn’t look at the map - is there no more China?
            1. forwarder
              forwarder 29 October 2015 19: 50 New
              -2
              Quote: EvgNik
              An interesting statement of the question.

              So take an interest in what it is interesting.
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          4. kotvov
            kotvov 29 October 2015 19: 18 New
            +4
            the origins of the United States "can also be fished out in Ancient Rome ,,
            Well, where are you and your sash scrolling across from Ukraine? fellow
            but seriously, then China may well stir up the crowding-out operation; it will have enough strength for that.
            1. nadezhiva
              nadezhiva 29 October 2015 20: 36 New
              +2
              What can China do first in this conflict? I'm talking about the first blow. Well, the Yankees are walking their fleet in the South China Sea ... And? ..
              Sheet music-protests-screams. And then what? China has not even come to Syria. The United States, apart from force, does not understand a single argument. Moreover, verbal.
            2. Marconi41
              Marconi41 30 October 2015 02: 27 New
              0
              Quote: kotvov
              but seriously, then China may well stir up the crowding-out operation; it will have enough strength for that.

              Of course, China can squeeze and expel an Amer’s ship near its territory, but what will it turn out to him in terms of economic impact from the states. Most likely this is just ... a new Chinese warning.
        2. venaya
          venaya 29 October 2015 18: 06 New
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          China, how many thousand years?

          "China", the term is Russian-speaking, remember "Kitay-Gorod" in Moscow. And if we also look at the pyramids, which are more than 300 pieces, and more and more Egyptian. They also found mummies, tall, white-skinned and blue-eyed. So how old is China? This is a big secret for us, given the numerous finds that are directly related to Russia, up to 4 chains of the Great Walls of China.
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 29 October 2015 18: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: venaya
            So how old is China? This is a big secret for us, given the numerous finds.

            Yes, I know all this. And I follow the new finds. And he studied different theories. But theory is theory, and practice is practice. What we have - we live there.
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 01 New
            0
            For most Chinese, the word "china" is unknown ... The word "rank" is known to a greater number ... And since "china" in Chinese (for real), it will sound "han" .... Also Chechens are actually nokhchi nohce (people of Noah (biblical)), the Armenians are actually haiks, the Georgians are actually kartli, etc. etc ... And all these comrades are not worried about what they are called in other countries .... Georgians, by the way, are the Anglo-Saxons called Georgians, cool, didn't they?
            1. sisa29
              sisa29 29 October 2015 22: 04 New
              0
              And there is no Beijing in China, there is Benjau
          3. Hyppopotut
            Hyppopotut 29 October 2015 20: 22 New
            +1
            So the mummies of ancient dill, which the seas dug ... laughing
        3. Slobber
          Slobber 29 October 2015 18: 30 New
          +1
          China, how many thousand years? And how many states?

          Is it that in our world now like Kikabidze’s, “my years are my wealth” ??? If anything, then what did China not win in any conflict, starting from the 19th century (well, starting from the Second World War)? Ah-ah, such an ancient country, purged the Hindu gouging and post-war Vietnam.
          1. Karlovar
            Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 14 New
            +9
            Until the 19th century AD (before the Opium Wars) for thousands of years, China was the first economy in the world, at times having more than half of the world’s GDP .... Until the 16th century AD, Chinese science and technology were the most advanced in the world! By the way, for general development, in the Middle Ages the standard of living (wealth per capita) in the Muslim world was the highest in the world, higher than the Chinese .... Poverty Europe and the beginning of the Cross Wars with the aim of plundering rich Muslim countries, and not the liberation of Christian shrines ... Then the Vatican manipulated Christian shrines, as it is now the West-crap democracy, human rights ... More information for consideration-the first university in Europe was discovered by Muslim Arabs in Cordoba (there was such a caliphate on the Iberian Peninsula) like in the 10th century ...
            1. gans_sp
              gans_sp 29 October 2015 20: 34 New
              0
              I have to admit until recently that I myself thought that Christian Europe was robbing the East until I came across this - http://maxpark.com/user/4295126825/content/2144278. While I read it diagonally, I’ll take a closer look at the time.
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 29 October 2015 19: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: razgildyay
            Ah-ah, such an ancient country, purged the Hindu gouging and post-war Vietnam.


            Dear Alexei, if you share information on this topic, I mean "Hindu gouging" and post-war Vietnam, I will be grateful. For truly not in the know, colleague. hi

            As it seems, I have omissions in historical directions in Southeast Asia. winked
            1. bovig
              bovig 29 October 2015 20: 42 New
              +2
              I will not say anything about the "Hindu gouging", but the Vietnam-China conflict took place in 1979. http://agesmystery.ru/node/128
              1. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 29 October 2015 22: 05 New
                +3
                Quote: bovig
                I will not say anything about the "Hindu gouging", but the Vietnam-China conflict took place in 1979


                Dear Boris, thanks for the info. I am aware of those events. I was ironic over Alexei (Razgildiai), for the simple reason that China, in that conflict, would have crushed Vietnam, if not death, then seriously. And the conflict was stopped solely in connection with the "convincing recommendations of the USSR." Therefore, the use of this conflict in the context of Alexei is at least not tactful.

                Something like this, Dear colleague. hi
                1. Slobber
                  Slobber 29 October 2015 23: 01 New
                  -2
                  in that conflict Vietnam would have “crushed” if not death, then seriously anyway.

                  Oh oh When exchanging, and the losses were, if not equal, then obviously the ratio is not in favor of China, since fresh forces, with new equipment against the Vietnamese ... China did not need pro-Soviet Vietnam, and if you get another Kampuchea so much your beauty is a failure goals.
                  And the most indicative was, that is how I remember the jagged - battles for the Kaobang. And even if the dummies took Hanoi, they would have received either partisanism, or very restless borders.
                  But the Indians, China almost rolled out and did it technically beautiful. But the yellow ones, in turn, beautifully sent the USSR, and the Americans harnessed themselves to India.
                  However, in any case, China is an ear, yeah, that one. So China, as it has been non-violent in the war, is also non-violent in the future.
        4. Gouging
          Gouging 29 October 2015 18: 54 New
          -1
          You know, I’ve read a book about China a long time ago. There may be different opinions, but in fact, his "millennia-old history" is not supported by anything. Absolutely nothing. All of us who concede (allegedly) over the years our Russia are well remembered — not particularly “democratic” raids and campaigns — but they do. And about the unknown superpower and mighty CHINA-silence. Which does not change my mind. States-nah, China is normal now.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 29 October 2015 19: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: Gouging
            You know, I’ve read a book about China a long time ago. There may be different opinions, but in fact, his "millennia-old history" is not supported by anything.


            And the Great Wall of China was not built by the Chinese, but by their neighbors.
            1. forwarder
              forwarder 29 October 2015 19: 55 New
              0
              Yes, no, by the Chinese. Only that Chinese is not quite this one.
            2. Gouging
              Gouging 29 October 2015 20: 07 New
              +1
              What is a wall? According to the population, it is not so great. Anyway, there are a lot of misunderstandings in it. No, I am not against China, at least for now, it is not for us an opponent, but an opponent of the filthy USA. In general, no one in our state has said anything better about Russia's allies than Alexander III.
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 29 October 2015 20: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Gouging
                What is a wall?


                Yes, this is an old joke about the Chinese, caused by their rapid expansion.
              2. Karlovar
                Karlovar 29 October 2015 22: 58 New
                +1
                Try to build the same wall in parallel, even with the current technology .... Or, to start, try to build a bridge across the Kerch Strait ...
                1. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 29 October 2015 23: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Karlovar
                  Try to build the same wall in parallel, even with the current technology .... Or, to start, try to build a bridge across the Kerch Strait ...


                  If Ukraine does not resolve, then after the Kerch bridge it will be the next national project.
            3. Karlovar
              Karlovar 29 October 2015 22: 55 New
              -3
              The Chinese wall was built by Estonians (who are of Khanty-Mansiysk) ...
          2. Karlovar
            Karlovar 29 October 2015 22: 52 New
            0
            If there was no China, and right now, 1,5 milliards of them (every fifth inhabitant of the planet) ??????? Ancient Egypt was ???? Today, those ancient Egyptians, Copts, 50 thousand to the whole planet .... Ancient Assyrians, too, 50 thousand people on the planet ... Ancient Greeks left on earth 30 million ceiling ... And Marco Polo wrote books about whom ??? About the Lithuanians ??? Korean history is recorded in Korean sources, and in parallel in Chinese ... events coincide ... And Korean history is not one thousand years old .... Once the Chinese described Korean history, then they also existed ... Chinese historiography honestly admits the conquest of China by Genghis Khan, Arab sources write that the Mongols conquered Persia, Central Asia, the Arab world, and received on the head from the Egyptian Mamluk Arabs at Ain Jalut, as a result of which the Mongol advance stopped .... Chinese historians lie to you, okay ... and the Arab historians also lied ????? And Rome was, in your opinion ??? And Homer was ??? But the Macedonian was ??? Questions can be continued ...
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 18: 53 New
        0
        About "always" .... Read the history of the Imjin war .... I recommend ...
    5. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 29 October 2015 17: 35 New
      +57
      China by China but today
      97th anniversary of the Komsomol!
      All a Happy Holiday!
      1. DPN
        DPN 29 October 2015 17: 46 New
        +4
        GOOD THANKS MANY THANKS !!!!
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 29 October 2015 17: 50 New
        +9
        Quote: Stroporez
        All a Happy Holiday!

        Thank! I don’t know if there is such a case, but I still have a Komsomol ticket (with an account card! With permission to keep forever. With all the seals). For me, more expensive than the order. Moreover, now the orders are simply scattered.
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 29 October 2015 19: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          Thank! I don’t know if there is such a case, but I still have a Komsomol ticket


          There is Evgeny Nikolaevich, and I keep the Komsomol and party documentation in full set and I will tell my son when I grow up that I would know that there was a Great State.

          Somehow, not all, colleague, party cards burned and tore. hi The truth is that they did it now in the forefront of the Democrats. yes
        2. Marconi41
          Marconi41 30 October 2015 02: 33 New
          0
          Quote: EvgNik
          Moreover, now the orders are simply scattered.

          Well, I don’t know that far from all military orders fell on their heads. Or are you talking about?
      3. demo
        demo 29 October 2015 17: 51 New
        +5
        Today I’ll raise a hundred!
        For the Komsomol!
        1. Loner_53
          Loner_53 29 October 2015 18: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: demo
          Today I’ll raise a hundred!
          For the Komsomol!

          Well, for the Komsomol volunteers !!! drinks I'm with you. smile
      4. Baikonur
        Baikonur 29 October 2015 17: 58 New
        +5
        I am one of the last Komsomol members of the USSR!
        (Early, not by age. And then - the end of the Komsomol - It was a shame for the state!)

        Today, October 29, 2015:
        The Communist Party of Russia, on the next anniversary of the Leninist Komsomol, on October 29, restored its youth organization with the historical name of the Komsomol - the All-Russian Leninist Communist Youth Union. It is reported by TASS.

        “As you call a boat, it will float. This historical name carries genetic memory, ”commented on this event, the leader of the“ Communists of Russia ”Maxim Suraykin. The youth organization acted under the party and earlier under the name "Komsomol of Russia".

        Activists from more than 40 regions of the country, as well as representatives of friendly "Communists of Russia" organizations from the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, Hungary, Sri Lanka and South Africa took part in the recovery congress in Moscow.

        The Komsomol organization was formed on October 29 (November 4) at the I All-Russian Congress of Unions of Workers and Peasants. At its foundation, it was called the RKSM - the Russian Communist Youth Union. Since 1922, the organization was called KIM (Communist Youth International), and the name of the Komsomol was approved by the Central Committee and appeared on the badges only in 1947. On September 27-28, 1991, the XXII Extraordinary Congress of the Komsomol was held, declaring the historical role of the Komsomol exhausted and dismissing the organization.

        With the support of the Communist Party, the youth organization Komsomol (Leninist Communist Youth League) of the Russian Federation is currently operating.
        Taken from:
        http://lenta.ru/news/2015/10/29/vlksm/

        Congratulations!

        (moderators, do not be angry! Well, this topic was not covered today in VO)
        And many probably would like!)
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 29 October 2015 18: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: Baikonur
          The Communist Party of Russia, on the next anniversary of the Leninist Komsomol, on October 29, restored its youth organization with the historical name of the Komsomol - the All-Russian Leninist Communist Youth Union

          I would like, but I doubt it very much. In the end, you get the same scouts. Today's youth is not able to accept that, ours, ideology. And congratulations on the holiday!
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    7. starec.luka
      starec.luka 29 October 2015 17: 47 New
      -1
      it seems like something to be afraid of China ......... cowardly ......
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 29 October 2015 18: 07 New
        0
        Quote: starec.luka
        it seems like something to be afraid of China ......... cowardly ......

        And I doubt it. The Chinese know how to wait. They have nowhere to rush.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 29 October 2015 22: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: starec.luka
        it seems like something to be afraid of China ......... cowardly ......


        Yes, somehow, Dear Ivan, it is probably not very easy to start another world conflict.

        Something seems to me so, colleague. hi
    8. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 29 October 2015 17: 49 New
      +5
      “We urge the United States not to go even further along the wrong path. However, if the United States insists on its own, we will take all necessary measures.

      Don’t go here! You go there! And then the snow will fall on the head, you’ll be completely dead!

      101 warnings
    9. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 October 2015 18: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: avvg
      And we also expect from China a tough response to Washington’s provocative actions, and not the 101 last Chinese warning.

      A tough answer has already been received - in China today families were allowed to have a second child. In 18 years, this decision will turn into a huge reserve of human resources in case of war and the post-war preservation of the nation. Now, of course, neither China, nor the United States, nor Russia are ready to start a war - we must prepare. All countries are doing this now. Previous and current “showdowns” are just a rehearsal, groping each other for an udder.
      I agree with those who prophesy a great future for China. Just because after the nuclear upheaval of the Chinese, there will be more than others - at least because of today's news I have indicated.
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 29 October 2015 18: 39 New
        0
        after the nuclear wars of the Chinese, there will be more of the others, if only because of today's news I have indicated.

        Given the already environmental stress, after the use of nuclear weapons and other "snacks", there will only be mutants.
        And given the fact that it is in South Asia, due to the abnormal number of people, viruses and bacteria mutate actively and actively, you can only wish them good luck, because if a high-quality laboratory strain, well-tested in humans, leaks in there, write it is gone.
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 22 New
        +1
        Since the 1940s, the population of China has grown by 900 million people ... in a very difficult economic situation .. Mao was so insured against a nuclear war .... True, a nuclear war did not happen ... until it happened ...
  2. Slobber
    Slobber 29 October 2015 17: 26 New
    +3
    And yet the Chinese are wrong. Senkaku is now Japanese, and the Chinese only aggravate the situation with their maneuvers. Well, how do the Japs, for example, begin to fill the islands near the Kuril Islands? Huh? Although, taking into account permission in China to give birth to a second Chinese girl, they’ll see somewhere they are preparing to expand.
    1. Simon
      Simon 29 October 2015 17: 55 New
      +1
      These islands were sold by China to some tycoon, and he resold them to Japan. because of this, the fuss has begun, since China considers these islands to be its own, and the Americans want to cook their base there.
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 29 October 2015 18: 20 New
        -2
        China considers these islands to be its

        And what, well, let him count. He captured Uigurstan and Tibet, and no one claims to them, although campaigns in the information field continue. However, the Americans have nowhere to build bases there, unless they themselves pour the islands. Yes, and Korea and Japan they have enough, nonsense in general.
        But Chinese expansionism must be cut in the bud. So it’s worth hoping that in America there will be a hawk or several, which will help China to make friends with India. A very promising direction, in vain they do not notice him point blank. And the mudzhegolovym will have something to do on both sides of the front.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 27 New
          0
          Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, Mordva, Chuvashia were also captured in their time ... and why ????
          1. Slobber
            Slobber 29 October 2015 22: 38 New
            -4
            and what????

            Over shoulder! Read carefully. And well, somehow, learn about modern domestic relations within China.
      2. Gani
        Gani 29 October 2015 18: 33 New
        0
        And I thought it was Yap-s who sold them to the tycoon, and when the fuss around them began, they bought back request
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 29 October 2015 18: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: razgildyay
      Although, taking into account permission in China to give birth to a second Chinese girl, they’ll see somewhere they are preparing to expand.

      Come on, the second one was allowed to give birth only because the nation is rapidly aging, in ten years the working-age population will be several times smaller than the unemployed or ineffective, having estimated how many industries are currently concentrated in China, it is easy to figure out that there will be no one to work if only ...
      Unless the Chinese urgently begin to robotize all their factories
    3. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 25 New
      +1
      The meaning of the Japanese is to fill the islands near the Kuril Islands, a few kilometers from their coast, a few kilometers from the Russian coast (they will cover them with mortars) ???????????????????? What strategic or tactical benefits ?????
      1. Slobber
        Slobber 29 October 2015 22: 40 New
        +1
        And is it worth the Chinese in the middle of the sea to fill in islands near territories that neither legally nor actually, now, do not belong to them?
  3. Abbra
    Abbra 29 October 2015 17: 27 New
    +6
    China will be able to respond with dignity. Nor should military force be used. Oh, the Americans will play out! Speaking of concepts, they will be lowered soon.
    1. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 October 2015 18: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      China will be able to respond with dignity. Nor should military force be used. Oh, the Americans will play out! Speaking of concepts, they will be lowered soon.

      I agree. The use of military force even against an American inflatable boat, in which Amer’s sailors wash their underpants in outboard water, is a war. But with financial instruments, Beijing can now show Washington “Kuzkin Mother” at any time! laughing
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    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 29 October 2015 18: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Abbra
      it will be able to answer with dignity. Nor should military force be used.


      Exactly. It is enough for them to devalue their yuan by 5 percent and the United States will shake points by 8 on the Richter scale.
    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 29 New
      0
      They will omit it technically, without rushing, without displaying unnecessary emotions, thoughtfully, respectively, not lightning fast, but over time ...
    5. 34 region
      34 region 29 October 2015 19: 37 New
      +1
      Although the Americans are useless warriors, they have some military experience. Is there any experience with the People’s Army of China? China has a positive patriotism. If the states rush to China then they will certainly rake. China itself is unlikely to attack America. And how will the conflict scenario develop?
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 13 New
        0
        The conflict scenario in modern realities-economic, trade wars .... BRICS, SCO, Silk Road, EU, TTP, TAP, WB, IMF, AIIB, ASEAN, EAEU, CELAC, Fed, etc. - these are the armies economic wars ..... There are also hot local conflicts .... That is, economy is at the forefront !!!
  4. roskot
    roskot 29 October 2015 17: 27 New
    +2
    Americans run up. And, for sure, they will get an answer.
  5. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 29 October 2015 17: 27 New
    +8
    “The United States should understand that now the South China Sea, like the island of Taiwan, the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region and Tibet, is China's key national interest - in these regions, Beijing will not back down”

    This is not a national interest, but a necessary and minimal national security, but the Americans have no fundamental threats from there, the mythical DPRK can not be mentioned. Interestingly, the Indians will risk the poke with a stick?
    1. adept666
      adept666 29 October 2015 18: 01 New
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      This is not a national interest, but a necessary and minimal national security, but the Americans have no fundamental threats from there, the mythical DPRK can not be mentioned. Interestingly, the Indians will risk the poke with a stick?
      What can this dragon do? Nothing on the water. about 100 pennants of only strike ships with a displacement of over 9 thousand tons. + About 30 from Japan, even European carriers will not take aircraft carriers into account. On earth, no one will fight with them and will not (USA and Europe, for this there are others). Closed on the ground, block access to resources by sea and all ... More than 5000 thousand URO on their ships, will strike at key strategic sites. China’s nuclear potential is not significant, and a preemptive strike completely eliminates it. You think that this is how our comrades from the Middle Kingdom started talking to us both for gas and oil, and before that 10 years turned up their nose, they feel that they can close the sea a little more than completely, and then the classic of the genre: weapons to the Japanese, Vietnamese , Filipinos (for example, at the expense of future extraction of resources) and let them all but together with China butt on the ground (like then these islands and divide among themselves if you win). That's all, so China will not do anything IMHO.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 29 October 2015 18: 16 New
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        Quote: adept666
        China’s nuclear potential is not significant, and a preemptive strike completely eliminates it.

        What do you know about the nuclear potential of China? In order for Japan not to want to go into all this, a dozen rockets are enough. The United States is very far from China in terms of logistics, the bases adjacent to China are vulnerable.
        1. adept666
          adept666 29 October 2015 18: 53 New
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          What do you know about the nuclear potential of China?
          I don’t have anything, but the CIA knows and therefore, from all countries that can threaten the existence of the United States only the Russian Federation, I think this is not casual. smile In China, there is practically no strategic submarine fleet, there are no mobile soil complexes, there is no BZHRK, and stationary objects are all vulnerable to the same cruise missiles, which by the way are only on one plane, that 128 units are wound around Taiwan regularly and no one will guarantee that they are equipped conventional warheads.
          In order for Japan not to want to go into all this, a dozen rockets are enough.
          And Japan will not climb, first they will deliver a preemptive, including nuclear strike, and then a sea blockade (at this moment, the Japanese will join in).
          USA is very far from China in terms of logistics
          Well, in terms of logistics, honestly, we and the Chinese need to learn from the United States.
          bases adjacent to China are vulnerable.
          For what? They'll bring about 30 destroyers, a couple of submarines (128 Axes), and five cruisers with aircraft carriers, what will the Chinese do with all this good?
          1. mvg
            mvg 29 October 2015 19: 48 New
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            For the sake of interest, google about the number of missiles in China .. including with YaBCh. China is the only country with underground cities (so far empty) for many millions of people. And underground airfields .. 30 destroyers and 5 aircraft carriers? China has> 200 carriers of anti-ship missiles (Su-27, Su-30MKK and J-11 in different versions), if there is a decent dump, then 2-3 tactical missiles will be torn, they will “blind” all “Idigi”, and put everything to the bottom these buckets .. Precleaning Okinawa and Guam ..
            And they also have enough strategists on a wheeled chassis. You can just watch the Victory Parade. And in terms of the number of nuclear weapons (even those that hit the media) they firmly hold 3rd place .. in the sense, the whole ball will be enough, not just the Mexican continent.
            1. adept666
              adept666 29 October 2015 20: 10 New
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              if a worthy landfill goes, then 2-3 tactical missiles will explode, they will “blind” all “Idigi”
              laughing What kind of idigi? AJIS? Why do axes need IJIS?
              Su-27, Su-30MKK and J-11 in different versions
              How will all this fight with ships at a distance of 500-700 km from the coast that have serious air defense and almost 200 aircraft on aircraft carriers, and even on coastal airfields? .
              Preliminary cleaning out Okinawa and Guam ..
              When you receive a proactive nuclear gift of 500 axes, you will have nothing to clean up.
              And they also have enough strategists on a wheeled chassis. You can just watch the Victory Parade.
              Yeah, but this is not a mobile soil complex, but a transporter (carries / loads a rocket into the mine)
              And by the number of ulcers
              No matter how many blanks you have, it is important how many media and where you can deliver them.
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 30 New
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                You are a naive little man ... Nobody will use nuclear weapons if he can get the same answer .... Only apply if he is sure that there will be no retaliation strike (ABM tries to implement such a scenario), or a hopelessly losing side .... In any of these cases of life on the planet kirdyk ....
                1. adept666
                  adept666 30 October 2015 06: 11 New
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                  You are a naive little man ... Nobody will use nuclear weapons if he can get the same answer ....
                  Yes Yes smile who told you such tales. Have you seen the modeling of nuclear explosions in general? Even if we shoot back in the USA or they are shot at us with all our arsenal (carriers), we will only inflict unacceptable damage on each other, i.e. do not destroy each other! Yes, we spoil large territories and ecology for many years, but we will not destroy it! And we are not afraid of us because we have only one Satan in the mines, but because we have a nuclear TRIAD and it is impossible to destroy it at the same time with one prepared strike! There is also our geographical location is more advantageous to China. China does not have all this, just not! And with a preemptive strike, you can cut down to 80-90% of their ICBMs, the rest if it takes off after that will be intercepted in the air. Even if a couple of flies reach the US targets will sacrifice these objects. Remember the plans for a nuclear war against the USSR of the 50-60s? So there, as risks there were losses up to 15% of the US territories and this was considered acceptable!
                  It will only apply if it is certain that a retaliation strike will not follow
                  Duc for that it is preemptive, so that it does not arrive, they will destroy the mines in the first place.
                  Nuclear weapons do not have to destroy the planet 3-5 times
                  And there isn’t so much, it’s all abstractions, bloated media, parity in this case is achieved by unacceptable damage - the main industrial and logistics areas, mining sites will be destroyed (incapacitated because there will be no ice in mining there), one 8-point earthquake is 1000 times more powerful than all that has been blown up since the 45th year. Those. The Russian Federation and the USA will simply lose the initiative and opportunities, let’s say their place will simply be taken by Brazil for free, that's all.
            2. Karlovar
              Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 24 New
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              Nuclear weapons do not have to destroy the planet 3-5 times ... one time is enough !!! It’s cheaper, and the effect you need is pure pragmatics ...
          2. 34 region
            34 region 29 October 2015 19: 50 New
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            Well drive! If they drive! If the Chinese sank all supply vessels, then there would be no war. Why attack an aircraft carrier if you can sink a ship with food, fuel and ammunition. And without food, the Americans will not fight. Yes, there is a supply of food on ships. But the crew will not wait until the food runs out. You can toss products. Will there be volunteers after the sinking of the ships?
            1. adept666
              adept666 29 October 2015 20: 11 New
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              Well drive! If they drive! If the Chinese sank all supply vessels, then there would be no war.
              And how do you understand that it's time to destroy? Yes, and then they are also guarded.
              1. 34 region
                34 region 29 October 2015 20: 40 New
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                If a caravan comes to you with gifts from friends, then it will be clear to a fool. Yes, and China has intelligence. Or not?
                1. adept666
                  adept666 29 October 2015 20: 57 New
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                  If a caravan comes to you with gifts from friends, then it will be clear to a fool. Yes, and China has intelligence. Or not?
                  Which caravan? smile Here is one of the possible scenarios: exercises with South Korea are started - 5 destroyers come up, do something / work out then go to the Korean port and thump for successful exercises i.e. the ships are essentially incompetent (Chinese intelligence sees it and reports where it should be), in the morning at 5 o’clock the second crew secretly enters the board, who flew to Korea by plane as private individuals and now we have 300 axes ready for battle from incompetent ships . In parallel with the exercises in Korea, a couple of destroyers and cruisers come to rotate (which is stated in all pre-releases), they change 2-3 destroyers for example, but the exchange isn’t what happened, the others went away for some time there will be 8 ships, plus, with a friendly visit, 1-2 destroyers come to Australia, quietly and not noticeably using Taiwan 4 submarines (512) axes come to the region, then somewhere in Hawaii 1-2 AUGs form and advance quietly in the direction you know where + the Japanese are 3-4 ships are being brought out to sea by the type of exercises, and now the figures are already set up for you and no caravan. Everything is like norms of no threat, everything is as always - floating as usual, rotation as usual, exercises as usual from year to year. So it turns out that around you 2000 axes already, but everything is as usual smile What to do in this situation? They do not threaten, they do not violate the border, and the fact that their axes fly 1500 km, so what? It’s only if they simultaneously gasp with axes from different directions it will be too late to do something, and if they gasp first on the ships (which is not easy because distance and dispersal) - a violation of international law and a declaration of war with all the consequences.
                  1. 34 region
                    34 region 29 October 2015 21: 33 New
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                    They conduct teachings, but they do not graze them! Do you use nuclear charges in exercises? The crew can be changed. But ammunition? How much: 40 seconds, 2 hours, a day? The proportions of ore supplied can be used to calculate the composition of steel. So it is here. Secrets will not work.
                    1. adept666
                      adept666 29 October 2015 21: 48 New
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                      They conduct teachings, but they do not graze them!
                      So what? Well, here they went to the Korean port.
                      The crew can be changed. But ammunition?
                      And what to change it? In the exercises, a couple of times they will come out of the gun, they will hit an unmanned aerial vehicle and that's all, and the axes are purposeful in the mines.
                      Do you use nuclear charges in exercises?
                      For exercises, especially on foreign coasts, axes do not even use ordinary equipment, but this does not mean that they are not in the PU wink
                      The proportions of ore supplied can be used to calculate the composition of steel. So it is here. Secrets will not work.
                      Duc and secret, no one will do much, they do not violate anything, just chasing US ships at a distance of 700-1000 km from the coast is a frankly simple task.
                      And how many (in percent) ships can America push to the borders of China?
                      Below I wrote about how much (60%)
                      After all, she will not send a 100% composition?
                      I think not, but you forget about the allied fleet of South Korea, Japan, Europe ...
                      So suddenly our submarines quite by chance emerge off the coast of the United States?
                      What should they do there? From the pole from wormwood it will be more accurate))) But these are our nuclear submarines, and not China (And we will enter into a nuclear war because of it? what ) That’s why our VKS in Syria, the Green Men in Crimea, and also on a low-level flight, we can go on a training attack of NATO ships and take them to the bearing with our DBK (so we'll see if the PRC can do this) and we have nothing for sanctions yet this is tongue
                      1. 34 region
                        34 region 29 October 2015 22: 31 New
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                        May no one give them a shit. They have how they cry underfunding. Buy valuable personnel? No problems! Corruption in the army is no worse than the outskirts. Yes, and we have allies. Do you think the US is not tired of the world? USA is Hitler today. With a mess, they will meet us with flowers. Even in Poland and the Baltic states.
                      2. adept666
                        adept666 30 October 2015 06: 44 New
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                        May no one give them a shit
                        And where at least once someone forbade them, do not remind?
                        They have how they cry underfunding.
                        Well, well, with a budget of 700 lard? We would have such underfunding winked
                        Corruption in the army is no worse than the outskirts.
                        You say so, as if everything is straightforward in this matter, everyone has it, and even more so in the army, but a simple calculation shows that even with their enormous corruption, they have the most equipped troops in the world with modern technology (and otherwise they can’t have not an army, but Expeditionary Forces because they are conducting aggressive wars and this is their main military doctrine). In the event of something, we should not fight against corruption, but with their troops, we should look at military capabilities.
                        Yes, and we have allies.
                        Judging by how we fight back at the UN and other sites alone, almost allies (real), we have, apart from the army and navy, alas.
                        USA is Hitler today.
                        I agree, but on the other side they say that we ... Everyone has their own truth.
                        With a mess, they will meet us with flowers. Even in Poland and the Baltic states.
                        God forbid once again to save them, no, let them themselves there somehow.
              2. Karlovar
                Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 38 New
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                If China deals a nuclear attack on Mexico, it will get a scam from the USA !!! Otherwise, the USA does not have the right to do things on their own !!!! If the United States deals a nuclear attack on China, then Russia will receive an answer in addition to China, because Russia also has no right to do otherwise for the sake of self-preservation ... India, however, has no carriers to reach the United States, and it would also have to strike the United States .... In this world, everything is very complicated intertwined .... Roughly speaking, a nuclear conflict is impossible with adequate governments ....
                1. adept666
                  adept666 30 October 2015 06: 52 New
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                  If the United States deals a nuclear attack on China, then Russia will receive an answer in addition to China, because Russia also has no right to do otherwise for the purpose of self-preservation ...
                  I would not be so sure. Well, look, let’s say the PRC is attacking with axes from the nuclear weapons from Taiwan (just look at the map where it is), we fix all this and we know perfectly well that the radius of the axes is 2500 (if with nuclear weapons), i.e. it doesn’t threaten us, well, we will bring our own strategic missile forces and everything else to red, but will we shoot in such situations?
                  In this world, everything is very complicated ...
                  Only at the diplomatic level, when the fight begins, is everything simplified.
                  Roughly speaking, a nuclear conflict is not possible with adequate governments ....
                  Is this an adequate government in the USA? Seriously? laughing
            2. 34 region
              34 region 29 October 2015 20: 47 New
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              Then another question. And how many (in percent) ships can America push to the borders of China? After all, she will not send a 100% composition? So suddenly our submarines quite by chance emerge off the coast of the United States?
              1. Karlovar
                Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 40 New
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                That is not !!! For the sake of such a thing, you can leave your coast naked !!! Be what happens !!! Who drinks champagne ???
        2. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 20 New
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          BZHRK in Russia ???? About the Japanese and 30 destroyers with a preemptive strike, the answer will also be nuclear in Washington .... Moreover, Russia cannot remain aloof (China is close to it), it will simply be obliged to deliver a nuclear strike against the USA for its own security ... And India cannot stand aside .... And Pakistan ... And Europe .... As a result, nuclear armageddon !!!! The planet’s owners will be rats and cockroaches (they will be able to adapt to radiation) ...
          1. adept666
            adept666 30 October 2015 07: 01 New
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            BZHRK in Russia ????
            Not yet, but almost there already smile But besides this, we have Tu-160, Tu-95, (+ in the threatening period, you can return Tu-22M3 their lost capabilities wassat ), Nuclear submarines, mines and poplars on wheels.
            Moreover, Russia cannot remain aloof (China is close to it), it will simply be obliged to deliver a nuclear strike against the United States for its own security ...
            These are all beautiful words, but you are hardly a military man, because you believe in this beautiful fairy tale. Before we shoot ourselves in the foot (and this is exactly so, for the answer will fly too) we will look at who, where and with what will shoot, and after that we will shoot back.
            .And India cannot stay away .... And Pakistan ... And Europe ....
            And why should they get into all this?
            . As a result, nuclear armageddon !!!!
            You exaggerate, and significantly the degree of threat to the whole world.
            The owners of the planet will be rats and cockroaches (they will be able to adapt to radiation) ...
            So they are a more perfect link in evolution than humans smile
      2. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 40 New
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        He was informed at the PLA General Staff ... in great secret ...
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 29 October 2015 18: 56 New
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      Quote: adept666
      More than 5000 thousand URO on their ships, will strike at key strategic sites

      belay Do you suppose that the Americans will pull all their ships there? and the Chinese will sit quietly waiting?
      They recently launched their ship into space - I doubt something that the Chinese are so stupid and stupid. They may not reach America, there are only submarines (if they have such), but the Amer fleet can be quite hooked.
      1. adept666
        adept666 29 October 2015 19: 19 New
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        Do you suppose that the Americans will pull all their ships there?
        Why all? About 60 percent. 30 Arly Burke - this is in the URO version of 64 axes per ship (or 96 possible) 30 * 64 = 1920 units. 4 pl of 128 axes. 4 * 128 = 512, 10 Tikanderog with 96 axes (128 each) 96 * 10 = 960, about the same number (900-1000) can be set by the Japanese flout. 1920 + 512 + 960 + 1000 = 4392 Do you think the PRC is not enough? It’s not comme il faut for us to shoot axes (except from Europe), but China is an open area for the whole strength of the PRC is the west coast. And after the attacks on the "main" China, the same Tibet, and northern China (where the Uighurs live) instantly become separatist regions.
        and the Chinese will sit quietly waiting?
        They have very little room for maneuver - there is no fleet comparable in military potential even against the United States alone, and if all in a row all sail here and there’s nothing to be said about ...
        They recently launched their ship into space
        We did this in the 57th year before everyone else, but objectively in the open water of the USA we can oppose little, is this an argument? Does China have an MRCC? like our Legends?
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 30 October 2015 09: 10 New
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          wassat I think the Chinese leader will have the courage to detonate a nuclear bomb or even several in the area where these destroyers are located, let’s say one good charge in the atmosphere after the explosion by minicuns and EMPs will blind and stun these destroyers. Everyone is hiding as best he can and here talking about parity in armaments if they do not have to press them.
          And yes - no one can effectively resist the US on the water now, and in the next 30 years, it is unlikely that anyone will manage such expenses, the only way out is to come up with something like this, which could neutralize these ships at distant approaches, or an ultra-efficient missile defense system and EW.
          1. adept666
            adept666 30 October 2015 11: 29 New
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            I think the Chinese leader has the courage
            Well, and who then refuses him courage? The situation here is not the USA: - we are going to water you! PRC: - and ... well, here you have a long loaf! Ships will not stand in a heap and wait until they arrive on them, they will disperse and maneuver. Whoever starts first will get a strategic advantage!
            minitsunami
            Look at the network of underwater explosions with ships as victims ... you don’t know everyone is drowning, even when they are near the epicenter, and in 10 miles there will be nothing from the explosion, and about radiation, Arly Burke has anti-radiation protection.
            and EMP
            EMP maximum that can burn the electronics, but there (on the ships) it is executed in the military protection class, so nothing will happen to it. Well, it’s blind, it’s stunning for a couple of minutes, but axes don’t need all the radar harnesses.
            And yes - the US on the water to resist effectively now no one can
            Have you seen planes flying in Syria with red stars on their wings? So here they are the brainchild of the United States bombing, then someone can still.
            the only way out is to come up with something like this, which could neutralize these ships at distant approaches
            An instant and devastating nuclear strike at home ports makes these ships useless; they will simply have nowhere to return / refuel / repair smile But only one country in the world can do this with the United States and this is not China. yes hi
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    4. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 37 New
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      At home coasts, aviation may be enough above the roof, but all kinds of missiles .... A serious fleet needs to be used off the coast of Florida ....
      1. adept666
        adept666 29 October 2015 20: 13 New
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        At home coasts, aviation may be enough above the roof, but all kinds of missiles .... A serious fleet needs to be used off the coast of Florida ....
        The proper defense of your coast begins at the enemy coast.
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 45 New
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          Only the fleet of Her Majesty and the current Amer’s could afford such a doctrine !!! To other fleets of the world how to implement it (doctrine) ???? This time ... Secondly, the Chinese are not going to board Florida ... And the protection of their native shores will cause support around the world ... with the ensuing ...
          1. adept666
            adept666 30 October 2015 07: 07 New
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            To other fleets of the world how to implement it (doctrine) ????
            Build a powerful ocean fleet, what is a bicycle to invent?
            Secondly, the Chinese are not going to boarding Florida ...
            I suspect (about which I wrote earlier) that the United States and Shobla are not going to capture China, having bombed it they will solve two problems: 1 - they will destroy the presumptuous competitor, 2 - we will throw such muck in the form of refugees in the Far East ...
            And protecting the hometowns will cause support around the world
            Yes? And where was this support in Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Panama (squeezed into the brazen channel), Vietnam, Afghanistan? In addition to Libya (and even with a violation), they had no mandate to create atrocities who supported what and with what?
            1. Karlovar
              Karlovar 30 October 2015 15: 15 New
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              Everything flows in the world, everything changes ...... Heraclitus ....
              1. adept666
                adept666 30 October 2015 16: 49 New
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                Everything flows in the world, everything changes ...... Heraclitus ....
                So far, alas, it is not noticeable.
              2. forwarder
                forwarder 30 October 2015 18: 03 New
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                Quote: Karlovar
                Heraclitus ....

                Hera Cleetus? no Who the hell is that?
    5. ksv1973
      ksv1973 29 October 2015 19: 38 New
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      Quote: adept666
      China's nuclear potential is not significant ...

      Adept666 colleague! And who now knows the true nuclear potential of China?
      And what does "insignificant" mean? Even Pakistani YP is, according to various estimates, from 50 to 150 goals. If you "put" at least one of them on the cities of India rivaling Pakistan, you will get bloody minced meat, based on the crowded population of Indian cities. Now compare the level of development of Pakistan and China. Some experts evaluate Chinese nuclear weapons in 2500-3000 warheads.
      Even if we take a certain "arithmetic mean", multiplied by the closeness and long-term nature of the Chinese nuclear program, we can safely talk about 800-1000 warheads.
      1. adept666
        adept666 29 October 2015 20: 01 New
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        Adept666 colleague! And who now knows the true nuclear potential of China?
        I think our and overseas security officers know. Now is not the 50 year, but even then they knew about who had it and where and most importantly what was being built without any IZS, now the intelligence reconnaissance in near real-time mode produces a huge array of data for analysis. In order for you to have a BZHRK, you need a train and a test (similar to submarines, and mobile soil installations), and this would be fixed, there are no tests - that means there are no these systems either. They even have submarines that haven’t been shot like they have never fired from under water (I can be mistaken), stationary objects are very difficult to disguise (especially their construction) and therefore they are all under the gun therefore. Further, those ICBMs that exist are all 80's level (they already can shoot down more or less). The US Ministry of Defense considers the conflict with the PRC likely, but does not consider the PRC a threat to the United States, they only we (the RF) have a threat to existence (which is correct smile )
        And what does "insignificant" mean?
        And this means that it is not dangerous for the United States and that you can get into a fight all the more with the wrong hands.
        PL in 2500-3000 warheads
        I don’t think that in order to accumulate so much, we need an ore breakthrough and a powerful developed nuclear industry, but even if there are so many of them, what is the use of them if there are no carriers (will they explode themselves?).
        If you "put" at least one of them on the cities of India competing with Pakistan, you get bloody mincemeat
        They have non-megaton-class warheads, they have a program on the network that shows (they checked somehow its correctness, approximately gives 80% accuracy), the approximate radius of destruction depending on the power of the warhead, google it and look, I think it’s surprised. hi
        1. ksv1973
          ksv1973 29 October 2015 23: 53 New
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          Quote: adept666
          Adept666 colleague! And who now knows the true nuclear potential of China?
          I think our and overseas security officers know. Now is not the 50 year, but even then they knew about who had it and where and most importantly what was being built without any IZS, now the intelligence reconnaissance in near real-time mode produces a huge array of data for analysis. In order for you to have a BZHRK, you need a train and a test (similar to submarines, and mobile soil installations), and this would be fixed, there are no tests - that means there are no these systems either. They even have submarines that haven’t been shot like they have never fired from under water (I can be mistaken), stationary objects are very difficult to disguise (especially their construction) and therefore they are all under the gun therefore. Further, those ICBMs that exist are all 80's level (they already can shoot down more or less). The US Ministry of Defense considers the conflict with the PRC likely, but does not consider the PRC a threat to the United States, they only we (the RF) have a threat to existence (which is correct smile )
          And what does "insignificant" mean?
          And this means that it is not dangerous for the United States and that you can get into a fight all the more with the wrong hands.
          PL in 2500-3000 warheads
          I don’t think that in order to accumulate so much, we need an ore breakthrough and a powerful developed nuclear industry, but even if there are so many of them, what is the use of them if there are no carriers (will they explode themselves?).
          If you "put" at least one of them on the cities of India competing with Pakistan, you get bloody mincemeat
          They have non-megaton-class warheads, they have a program on the network that shows (they checked somehow its correctness, approximately gives 80% accuracy), the approximate radius of destruction depending on the power of the warhead, google it and look, I think it’s surprised. hi

          The fact is, my friend, that in India (as well as in China) there is a VERY high population density in cities. Like in China, in India there are a lot of cities with a multimillion population. And the development of Indian cities is not very able to withstand the damaging factors even comparable to Hiroshimo-Nagasakov’s tro-equivalent nuclear strikes. Even 30-40 Pakistani warheads, one each at a more or less large Indian city - is a disaster for India. Here megaton warheads are not needed. The shock wave, fires and illiteracy of the population will do their dirty deed.
          Go ahead...
          Regarding the simulator program you have indicated. Saw, tried on to his native Solnechnogorsk. Something tells me that this program, to put it mildly, is complete nonsense. If trouble happens, everything will be MUCH more serious.
          God grant that neither we nor our descendants see this misfortune! And if they saw it, so that its result would be the Stalin Strait! wink
          1. adept666
            adept666 30 October 2015 07: 29 New
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            The fact is, my friend, that in India (as well as in China) there is a VERY high population density in cities. Like in China, in India there are a lot of cities with a multimillion population.
            Well, I’m not saying that few people will die, but not immediately, but within 5-10 years after the explosion, but there are more than 1 mlr of them (and they are very fertile for 5-6 children), so this is a percentage much less than our losses during the Second World War. I do not want to seem cynical, any life is priceless, but from a strategic point of view, the losses are acceptable. And the Pakistan / India conflict is not so intense and irreconcilable, and about 25 thousand people died, about 100000 thousand were wounded, but this is from the 47th year in almost 70 years of hostilities. We have more people killed in accidents per year.
            Regarding the simulator program you have indicated. Saw, tried on to his native Solnechnogorsk. Something tells me that this program, to put it mildly, is complete nonsense.
            Based on what did you make such a conclusion? It is quite adequate from the point of view of the shock wave and EMP, radiation yes, will fly apart (weather conditions are not taken into account)
            God grant that neither we nor our descendants see this misfortune!
            I agree.
            And if they saw it, so that its result would be the Stalin Strait! wink
            Her Alaska is nearby, why litter in my house? Beauties ... Just kicks this chantrap in the stomach drinks
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 29 October 2015 20: 01 New
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        Quote: ksv1973
        Adept666 colleague! And who now knows the true nuclear potential of China?
        And what does "insignificant" mean?


        I join your comment. hi Since 1964, China has been producing nuclear weapons. In what quantities? One can only guess. Because This is a very closed topic in the Chinese defense industry. Given China’s growing ambitions and their claims to world leadership, I dare to assume that they are not building up their nuclear potential against Monaco or Zimbabwe, and that today nuclear weapons stockpiles in China are comparable to those of the main nuclear powers. And all the figures in open sources (250-300 warheads) are given to calm the broad masses of the population.
      3. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 50 New
        +1
        He, naive, believes in Wikipedia, which says that the Pakistani nuclear arsenal is more than Chinese !!! Despite the fact that the economy of Pakistan is 50 times smaller (according to official figures), and in real times 70 times less ......
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  6. Karlovar
    Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 35 New
    +1
    The South China Sea for China is the same as for Russia the Black Sea ... Taiwan for China, that Crimea is for Russia ... Korea for China, that Ukraine is for Russia ..... With all that it implies !! ! By the way, they have tied Taiwan to themselves economically, de facto Taiwan is attached (economically, and these are the strongest ties) ....
  7. 34 region
    34 region 29 October 2015 19: 39 New
    0
    So already stick with a stick! The question is what will happen next?
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    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 29 October 2015 17: 30 New
      +3
      we have here cultural "posons" gather, do not swear.
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 29 October 2015 17: 44 New
        +3
        I did not see anything uncultured in the description of the Americans as a female mammal. Man’s best friend, by the way.

        Where would they find a suitable male (maybe he is China), maybe he’ll immediately become calmer?
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  • BLOND
    BLOND 29 October 2015 17: 29 New
    +6
    “We urge the United States not to go even further along the wrong path. However, if the US insists on us ... "
    ..... China will be able to explain to the United States that it’s painful to stand your ground!

    I have the impression that mattresses are agonizing, well, they began to pierce too much ... They wouldn’t cut firewood in a hurry!
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 43 New
      +1
      Al Capone at one time degraded from the "godfather" of the mafia to ... a snive .... Firewood did not have time to chop, they watched him vigilantly ....
    2. 34 region
      34 region 29 October 2015 19: 56 New
      0
      If someone at our place sometimes does not want to live honestly, we will conduct an invisible battle with them, service day and night ... Don’t worry. Specially trained people will take care of them.
  • Balagan
    Balagan 29 October 2015 17: 33 New
    +1
    Wah, it will be funny if the Chinese respond harshly. It's time to drive popcorn smile
    1. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 29 October 2015 17: 46 New
      +6
      at the same time, and dig a bunker for yourself .... here the 3rd world smells. A zaruba will begin - no one will stand aside .. although I’m trying to explain to you - if you are going for popcorn
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 29 October 2015 18: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Captain Air Force
        at the same time and dig a bunker for yourself .... here the 3rd world smells

        Took off the tongue. And for popcorn - so the young and go to the bunker with a can, but add: "wow, cool ...."
  • crumb
    crumb 29 October 2015 17: 34 New
    +2
    it didn’t work in Syria so although there China will come to the corn
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 29 October 2015 17: 35 New
    +15
    China needs to fill the islands in the form of an unfinished donut, and when curious Yankees begin to enter the waters of such islands on warships, then quickly, with the involvement of Tajik workers, guest workers, to complete the earthwork.
    As a result, you can sprinkle the earth until it reaches the sides. After this, the confiscation of warships that somehow find themselves on the land territory of the islands of China should be announced.

    Pisi: And you can just fill up the ships right with the team, thus arranging a big mystery for the scientists of the (possible) future ....
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 29 October 2015 17: 39 New
      +3
      Then fill up the rest of the territory, cultivate and invite tourists to get acquainted with the "Memorial of stupid ships"! good
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 29 October 2015 17: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Abbra
        Then fill up the rest of the territory, cultivate and invite tourists to get acquainted with the "Memorial of stupid ships"! good

        Rather then already stupid in the ships ...
    2. demo
      demo 29 October 2015 17: 55 New
      +2
      Well done.
      I am amused.
      Imaginations and fantasies do not hold!

      I got excited with the Tajiks.
      They will be able to.
      Somehow I came across a video where the Chinese built a nine-story building in a month.
      What Tajiks are there !?
  • bronik
    bronik 29 October 2015 17: 41 New
    +6
    A terrible dream of Europeans: Refugees from CHINA! Just let them warn that if something happens ..
    1. unsinkable
      unsinkable 29 October 2015 18: 31 New
      0
      Quote: bronik
      : Refugees from CHINA!

      Perhaps it will not be refugees, but an invasion from China.
    2. 34 region
      34 region 29 October 2015 20: 02 New
      0
      Why to Europe? Better in the USA. World, democratic power. It is strange that refugees do not know this. And so under the guise of tourists went there and mustache. Help! Do not learn to live, but help financially!
  • starshina pv
    starshina pv 29 October 2015 17: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: lemal200
    Got it already!

    me for the third word have already been warned !!!!!!!!
    1. demo
      demo 29 October 2015 17: 56 New
      +2
      Put emphasis on the last syllable.
      And all in openwork.
  • DPN
    DPN 29 October 2015 17: 43 New
    +7
    In 1962, the USSR forced the United States to run in gas masks, if the Chinese remember their troubles a little in their face.

    Today is October 29 KOMSOMOLTSEV with a holiday !!!
  • viktor561
    viktor561 29 October 2015 17: 43 New
    +2
    Do not wake a sleeping Dragon!
    1. fa2998
      fa2998 29 October 2015 18: 22 New
      +1
      This is what you are talking about! Two of the strongest economies in the world, two largest exporters, and it’s among themselves. The huge merger of the economies is American production in China, China's investments and property in the United States. They, like Siamese twins, cannot do without the other. only amuse oneself. What blows! What dragons !! Well, they’ll exchange notes and that's it. They have such a turnover that the Americans can one of the Nimitans run aground near artificial islands and leave the Chinese as a present, in the form of a reef, and do not become impoverished. hi
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 46 New
        -3
        The Russian Federation and the EU trade comparable between China-USA ..... True ... was ...
        1. forwarder
          forwarder 29 October 2015 20: 44 New
          -4
          Quote: Karlovar
          The Russian Federation and the EU trade comparable between China-USA

          Gee-gee-gee.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 October 2015 17: 44 New
    +7
    It seems that the minke whales have forgotten who has the most US government securities, and if so they will demand money for the state paper, then war will not be needed, the "star-striped" state itself will collapse below the level of dill!
    1. DPN
      DPN 29 October 2015 17: 57 New
      -2
      Russia, Ukraine wants to throw with these state papers with the help of the IMF count with the United States. And we have to wash ourselves. Who has the printing press and rules the WORLD, you are not RUSSIA or CHINA.
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 48 New
        -1
        Since they have a printing press, then what are the rest to hang themselves with now ????
      2. 34 region
        34 region 29 October 2015 20: 13 New
        +1
        Here you are wrong, brother. The machine itself does not play a role. There’s a chip in another. In order for your bucks to be valued you need others to have nothing. Here is your house smashed to pieces. You are like a Latvian. Uncle who smashed your house offers you printer money. It seems to be paper. But for this paper he will give you what you need. True at interest. But these are trifles. While your house was smashed, uncle robustly raised his production. And with the money of the printer you can buy only the products of this uncle. So here is the brother!
        1. Karlovar
          Karlovar 29 October 2015 23: 55 New
          +1
          The army and navy are attached to the machine .... to guard the machine ...
      3. bovig
        bovig 30 October 2015 05: 28 New
        +1
        Government paper, that's cool! And they still have derivatives ... And also a printing press!))) All this matters until they wake up famously ... In September 2012, the Chinese announced to the whole world that the Chinese banking system, communication systems and payment systems are ready to implement RMB crude oil payments. On the second day - September 6, Russia (the second largest oil producer in the world) announced that it was ready to sell any amount of produced oil for RMB. So far, no one has taken advantage of this opportunity, as well as a loan from the BRICS bank, but the very fact of the existence of an alternative to the IMF and the dollar tells the world community that if the United States and its printing press cease to exist, then this will not be the end of the world ... It's just that all government papers even a steam locomotive doesn’t racket in which ... A lot of the “powerful people of this world” stop it (it’s a pity to lose everything acquired by overwork), but I don’t think this issue is fundamentally important, because everyone knows that the United States will never pay debt, however, like Greece, like everyone else ... The big question is only the procedure for writing off debts! )))))
    2. demo
      demo 29 October 2015 17: 58 New
      0
      And if, as their protégé, the Ukrainians will take and say that these pieces of paper are a private, commercial loan.
      And like horseradish you green, not money! What will the Chinese do?
      Huh?
      Oh!
      1. Karlovar
        Karlovar 29 October 2015 19: 51 New
        0
        The Chinese are not so simple ... In the amount equivalent to dollar reserves, they have external debt (to Western banks) ... This is such an insurance .... If the Americans depreciate the reserves of China, they will automatically depreciate the external debt of China too!
      2. bovig
        bovig 30 October 2015 21: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: demo
        And if, as their protégé, the Ukrainians will take and say that these pieces of paper are a private, commercial loan.
        And like horseradish you green, not money! What will the Chinese do?
        Huh?
        Oh!


        Let’s say “protégé” is used as a test setup: to test the reaction ... But in this case, China is the largest holder of US government debt. With these debt obligations, they can repay bank loans ... Feel the background?))) The Fed and the IMF, ironically, have the same founders and owners! In fact, these are private structures ... The participation of states in them is formal, because all states are debtors of the above financial structures! But the United States is not able to pay off its own debt and does not have the debt obligations of China, in particular ... In this situation, China will not lose anything, and the United States “de jure” (for “de facto” for a long time) will declare bankrupt! Only Ukraine can afford such a “knight's move”, or something similar .. Greece maximum - there is someone to save them and pull them out of the swamp ... Not so much a hippo ...))))
    3. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 29 October 2015 18: 02 New
      +1
      We also have 3 billion Kaklov's government papers, they’ll give them the money to us, and the Yankees are preparing new IMF rules for kaklov and their default, such as they didn’t give it all right, Russia is not necessary. Really for themselves loved ones will not introduce super rules, easy! am
      1. bovig
        bovig 30 October 2015 06: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Major Yurik
        We also have 3 billion Kaklov's government papers, they’ll give them the money to us, and the Yankees are preparing new IMF rules for kaklov and their default, such as they didn’t give it all right, Russia is not necessary. Really for themselves loved ones will not introduce super rules, easy! am


        “Everyone controls everything: a stone lying on the road controls a wagon passing through it; a cat controls a dog; a dog controls a master; a child still cannot speak, but already controls his parents ...” (V. Tarasov) “conspiracy theory”, then “golden billion theory”, then “global warming”, then there’s still any means of manipulating consciousness, up to a direct threat of the possibility of a “third world” ... All these methods are an attempt to “introduce” everyone self favorite super rules! " This is the world picture we are observing ...
  • atamankko
    atamankko 29 October 2015 17: 48 New
    +2
    The insolence of stupid, and not exceptional, strikes normal people.
  • gozmosZh
    gozmosZh 29 October 2015 17: 58 New
    +2
    ... and taking into account the fact that the Chinese have a huge diaspora in the United States, which are very closely connected with their homeland, it is fraught with speech and terror for the Americans.
    Chinese mentality, bitch.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 29 October 2015 20: 19 New
      0
      On the Chinese mentality there is a stuck mentality of Americans. The events in Iraq and Syria did not shock America. But in the war, within 72 hours, they quickly cleared their rear areas and drove potential opponents to camps. While the Americans are on horseback, and their defense on their continent is not broken.
  • drundel861
    drundel861 29 October 2015 17: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Tor5
    Yes, it would be very nice if China responded and responded with deed, not a word.


    War is impatient? stop soldier
  • inferno_nv
    inferno_nv 29 October 2015 18: 04 New
    +1
    Well, the Yankees want to speed up their end! It is a pity that it can be followed by an end for everyone, because these d ... s ... they just won’t leave in peace! am
  • Vladimir
    Vladimir 29 October 2015 18: 07 New
    0
    Quote: DPN
    Today is October 29 KOMSOMOLTSEV with a holiday !!!


    Oh, it was a good time, we lived poorly but happily.
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 29 October 2015 18: 19 New
      +3
      Now, too, not richly. But somehow it’s completely empty and worthless ...
  • Stinger
    Stinger 29 October 2015 18: 13 New
    0
    It's time for us and the Chinese to begin to plow the waters of the Gulf of Mexico. Pull tabby cat for me ... and mustache. One for one, another for another. And then completely unbelted.
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 29 October 2015 18: 31 New
    -1
    They even called it "Operation Washington." One boat sailed - operation! So, China needs to sell the Ball. Favorable for Russia, good for China.
  • Old26
    Old26 29 October 2015 18: 32 New
    0
    Quote: avvg
    And we also expect from China a tough response to Washington’s provocative actions, and not the 101 last Chinese warning.

    There is no hard answer and never will be. These countries claim 6 countries. Each of the countries grabbed something and declared its own. Other countries are also their own. The total area of ​​all islands and reefs (and there are more than a hundred) - FIVE SQUARE KILOMETERS. So the maximum that will be with respect to the Americans is "one thousand first Chinese warning".

    China may do something against other aspirant countries, since those fleets are smaller than the Chinese. The Chinese will not directly climb against the Americans.

    There is such a mess that even the UN cannot figure it out. Especially when two islands at a distance of 3-5 km from each other begin "belong" to different countries and each has a 12-mile zone of territorial waters. The neighboring island is in the first country of the country and vice versa ...

    Quote: Tor5
    Yes, it would be very nice if China responded and responded with deed, not a word.

    And then what ??? After business ???

    Quote: venaya
    How exactly can you answer, can mine approaches to the islands? And announce it to everyone.

    And pass for pirates. Because others beyond China do not recognize the ownership of the islands. Applicants - as many as 6 countries ...

    Quote: demo
    Today I’ll raise a hundred! For the Komsomol!

    Already raised, and by no means a hundred, but much more .... We stopped at 0,5 on the snout laughing

    Quote: Stinger
    It's time for us and the Chinese to begin to plow the waters of the Gulf of Mexico. Pull tabby cat for me ... and mustache. One for one, another for another. And then completely unbelted.

    That would be what ...
  • bubla5
    bubla5 29 October 2015 18: 46 New
    0
    It is necessary to sell Alaska to the Chinese; by law, the lease term is long over
  • Million
    Million 29 October 2015 18: 57 New
    0
    Oh, it’s even interesting to see the tough answer.
  • Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 29 October 2015 19: 25 New
    0
    A huge percentage of exports from China goes to the United States, why do the Chinese have extra problems and adventures, so there is no interest and plan to sit quietly on the sidelines. But the Chinese do not know a well-known joke, although some argue that this is the saying of Pastor Martin Nimeller "First they came for the communists, and I was silent because I was not a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I kept silent because I was not a Jew "Then they came for the Catholics, and I said nothing because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, but by this time there was no one left who stood up for me."
  • SAA
    SAA 29 October 2015 20: 00 New
    0
    Such episodes as the appearance of American ships in the waters of the South China Sea off the disputed Nansha Islands will not remain unanswered by the PRC Well, yes, the partners have already answered Two Tu-142 "Ronald Reagan" crew got "worried"
  • GradusHuK
    GradusHuK 29 October 2015 20: 23 New
    0
    Quote: forwarder
    And how much, feel free to ask? And also do not hesitate to ask, but what do you call the word "China"? And then, after all, the "origins of the USA" can also be fished out in Ancient Rome. And even much deeper. If you wish.

    If desired, the sources are found in ancient dill.
  • m-arsenich
    m-arsenich 29 October 2015 21: 25 New
    0
    Quote: booth
    It's time to drive popcorn smile


    And a little more, some 5 or 6 tons - you won’t have time to eat more and take a look at the gut fool (Eh! Well, divorced as well ..)
  • Steppe
    Steppe 29 October 2015 21: 58 New
    0
    belay Cowardly Americans still dare to threaten someone? It is clear that while you are not open to attack in a real battle, and you are sitting in a comfortable chair near the fireplace and drinking coffee, you are not afraid to threaten.
  • Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 29 October 2015 23: 32 New
    +2
    Lord! China’s extravagant “plans” to capture the entire South China Sea will eliminate the only sea corridor on the way to energy resources, raw materials, and goods to / from Southeast Asia, both Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the Russian Far East! Are you serious that China will be allowed on one of the two largest commodity flows in the world? States, and others, are absolutely in their own right. The US destroyer is floating, of course, not by itself, (it doesn’t happen), but covered as it should be. Yes, and most all 96 cells are filled to the maximum, with everything necessary. "In war, as in war ..."
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 30 October 2015 15: 21 New
      +1
      The Chinese themselves will block the sea route for their goods and import of resources ???????????? Maybe nalborot, the Chinese want to eliminate the possibility of blocking trade routes by the US Navy ??????
    2. bovig
      bovig 30 October 2015 21: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Oleg7700
      Lord! China’s extravagant “plans” to capture the entire South China Sea will eliminate the only sea corridor on the way to energy resources, raw materials, and goods to / from Southeast Asia, both Korea, Taiwan, Japan and the Russian Far East! Are you serious that China will be allowed on one of the two largest commodity flows in the world? States, and others, are absolutely in their own right. The US destroyer is floating, of course, not by itself, (it doesn’t happen), but covered as it should be. Yes, and most all 96 cells are filled to the maximum, with everything necessary. "In war, as in war ..."


      Therefore, Russia is negotiating the location of its naval base in Singapore, and even the United States is silent about it ...
  • ermolai
    ermolai 30 October 2015 04: 39 New
    0
    Quote: venaya
    can mine approaches to the islands?

    well, just like children, you can still let the “whisperer” in a crowded tram, well, there are painful spots on the striped ones, you can play a poker there, Ferguson, for example, or the state of Mexico, well, there’s a place where you can splash ski
    admin word ski pi da r, which is also in the ban?
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 30 October 2015 04: 50 New
    -1
    China can answer tough ....
    To whom to answer -USA ????? A good joke. In their time, they already answered Japan, until in 1945 the USSR defeated the Manchurian army, for which I do not recall the Chinese successes in the military field.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 30 October 2015 06: 39 New
    +1
    if the Yankees do not stop so shamelessly wandering around the seas and oceans it will end badly for them, for sure, or if a World War II mine pops up, then a reef not indicated on the map will appear, but it doesn’t matter what happens when a rampage gets into someone else’s garden ...
  • Doomph
    Doomph 30 October 2015 08: 19 New
    0
    We take places in the front row and stock up on popcorn !!!
  • YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 30 October 2015 09: 35 New
    0
    It smelled of fried ... Americans jump! Not long left ...
  • Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 30 October 2015 10: 34 New
    +1
    Americans? There, in international waters, hundreds of merchant ships of dozens of countries pass every day, and China wants to turn them into its territorial ...