Sikorsky has conducted the first flight test of the heavy helicopter King Stallion

His first flight was made on Tuesday by a heavy transport helicopter CH-53K King Stallion, reports Look with reference to the press service of the company Sikorsky.

“The first prototype of the machine, designated EDM-1, took part in the tests. The duration of the first flight of the helicopter was 30 minutes, ”the release says.

“During the first flight, the heavy transport helicopter performed a hangup, as well as flying sideways, back and forth. In addition, the stability of the machine when hovering at the height of 9,1 meter within the limits of the earth pillow effect, that is, the air currents reflected from the earth surface from the rotor, was checked, ”the press service told.

Flight tests will be continued, already 4 machines will participate in them. “The helicopter flight test program is scheduled for three years. A total of four helicopter prototypes must spend at least 2 thousands of hours in the air, ”the company said.

According to the developer, “the maximum take-off weight of the CH-53K helicopter will be 39,9 tons, the flight range is about 840 km, the speed is up to 315 km / h, it can carry up to 55 people, the crew is 5 people (2 pilot and one arrow from both boards and tail compartment) ".

Developed with the 2006 g, the machine is "a deeply modernized version of the modern CH-53E Super Stallion and equipped with three GE38-1B turboshaft engines."

The first helicopter will go to the US Marine Corps, which plans to acquire 200 machines of this type.

Comments

[St Petrov]

such a bucket of PPC

If he flies the way he looks ...

[vodolaz]

Everything is perishable, this is what the crown of helicopter building looks like: http://militarizm.livejournal.com/90428.html

[Kapralwdw]

this is really a killing machine !!! pilots !!!

[starec.luka]

looking at this bucket at the ka-52 there was an attack of laughter ...

[Vadivak]

Quote: starec.luka

looking at this bucket at the ka-52 there was an attack of laughter ...

Yes normal view, Sikorsky immediately recognizable

[shuhartred]

Quote: Vadivak

looking at this bucket at the ka-52 there was an attack of laughter ...

Yes normal view, Sikorsky immediately recognizable

Meant Kaklovsky Mi-2. Miles the poor fellow in a coffin turned over, they will continue to mock, crawl out and knock on the head.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: shuhartred

Quote: Vadivak

looking at this bucket at the ka-52 there was an attack of laughter ...

Yes normal view, Sikorsky immediately recognizable

Meant Kaklovsky Mi-2. Miles the poor fellow in a coffin turned over, they will continue to mock, crawl out and knock on the head.

Poles are still continuing to create new helicopters based on the Mi-2: http://www.dogswar.ru/voennaia-aviaciia/vertolety/1620-mnogocelevoi-vertole.html
What is worse about servility?

[crazyrom]

Cool as the latest development of the Americans - and still the payload is only half of our Mi-26 from the last century.

[Falcon]

Quote: crazyrom

Cool as the latest development of the Americans - and still the payload is only half of our Mi-26 from the last century.

And who planned to create such a helicopter?

CH-53 completely adapted to other tasks. The machine more than once evacuated the Marines from the hell itself - as it has a partial reservation and a large g / p. A peculiar flying armored personnel carrier

In general, a unique class of helicopters, which we do not have. With it you need to compare our Ka-29

[BULLIT]

do you know that these compatriots are being designed by our compatriot ?? Emigrant Sikorsky!

[Bochik]

Quote: BULLIT

do you know that these compatriots are being designed by our compatriot ?? Emigrant Sikorsky!

Do you know that he died in 1972?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: vodolaz

Everything is perishable, this is what the crown of helicopter building looks like: http://militarizm.livejournal.com/90428.html

Breathtaking from steepness! This mount was especially impressive!

[Kapralwdw]

yes what do you understand in fixtures

[torp]

Do you want nails to be nailed?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: torp

yes what do you understand in fixtures

Quote: torp

Do you want nails to be nailed?

Well, I don’t know for sure ... Maybe with some glue to stick ... It is felt that this device has been pinned down thoughtfully and for centuries ... I wonder what is it? Sounds like some kind of flashing fake? Or is it the latest Ukrainian radar? Do not lose, with such mount...

[Just BB]

It is not the upper "pan" that is attached, but the lower cassette with cartridges of IR traps (they often show how "signal" rockets fly off from the tail of the aircraft in different directions, or even at parades - beautiful!)

"Blinker" is an ancient "scarecrow" from missiles

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and what’s this, a variant of the engine on coal?

[Just BB]

AI-450

Initially, the AI-450 aircraft engine was designed for installation on the Ka-226 light helicopter. Three engines were manufactured and bench tests were carried out. However, Kamov OJSC decided to install other foreign-made engines on the Ka-226. By this time, the developer of AI-450 had established a relationship with the Russian OJSC Rostvertol on the Mi-2M helicopter with the AI-450. It is planned that the modern AI-2 will be installed on the Mi-350 helicopters instead of the outdated GTD-450. Now the work is being carried out without government support, the flight tests of the Mi-2M are expected to begin soon.

[Bochik]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and what’s this, a variant of the engine on coal?

thermal trap cassette

[Just BB]

Native, factory mount ASOShki, no need - quickly removed

[drunkram]

This, ahem, I apologize for clamps or something bl ***?

[Bochik]

Quote: vodolaz

http://militarizm.livejournal.com/90428.html

The link is broken.

[Observer2014]

WHEN WHO SAID THAT! That the helicopter is a purely Russian machine. Lord, I saw with my own eyes an American heavy transport helicopter in the sky. SH-53 or one of its modifications. There was the impression that it was about to stop and collapse to the ground. A "Mohawk" thunders that our mi 8 is not visible but already audible, but the speed, dear mother, he barely flies, the carrying capacity and security are three or four times less than the eight. And in action movies oh, oh, just a "fortress" ha ha!
In Vietnam, how many "Iroquois" rocked ?!

[Sergey Guriev]

It’s scary to imagine what incredibly powerful weapons designers can hang with an independent one, if they have more tape and nails! I shudder.

[Just BB]

The fact that a million and a half "freaks" are jumping on the Maidan does not in any way mean that there are no smart hand people among the remaining 40.
And the machines in Ukraine were not "Demidov's" at all.

One (I wanted to write "pleases"but how to rejoice in someone else's grief, when it’s not all right at home): - top managers theirs

[Starover_Z]

Quote: s-t Petrov

If he flies the way he looks ...

I agree, our helicopters are more beautiful and harmonious!

[avt]

Quote: s-t Petrov

such a bucket of PPC

This is a fairly reliable "bucket" which has long served quite normally in many areas as a minesweeper and as a special forces transport.

Quote: Kolka82

A kind of heavy horse

Precisely that a normal heavy truck is a hard worker. That's how I like it more than a "banana" from Boeing-Pyasetsky.

Quote: fiction

We have 30 years such a machine flies if I'm not mistaken.
Since 1984, it seems MI-26 is called.

Different weight categories, ours will be heavier.

[Prapor-527]

Sikorsky conducted the first flight test of a heavy helicopter I always thought that a heavy helicopter looks something like this ...

[Aljavad]

I always thought that a heavy helicopter looks something like this ..

So they have the Mi-8 - heavy. A "26" - superhavy

[Mera joota]

Quote: Prapor-527

Sikorsky conducted the first flight test of a heavy helicopter I always thought that a heavy helicopter looks something like this ...

And what UDC can Mi26 be based on?

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Prapor-527

Sikorsky conducted the first flight test of a heavy helicopter I always thought that a heavy helicopter looks something like this ...

Or so (Mi-12):

[Izotovp]

The fact of the matter is that we will build 2 pieces like the Mi-12 and go terribly proud, and the Americans produce them in such quantities as we do cars and treat both transport and not the pride of the nation. ((((
Until our factories begin to sculpt planes and helicopters at least at the Soviet pace, we will quietly envy them and our regions will be torn off from the mainland.

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Izotovp

The fact of the matter is that we will build 2 pieces like the Mi-12 and go terribly proud, and the Americans produce them in such quantities as we do cars and treat both transport and not the pride of the nation.

I did not know that the Americans are releasing the Mi-12, and even in such a quantity ... But seriously, Russia has the Mi-26, which they managed to do a lot under the USSR, and now they continue, gradually modernizing. In the near future, a more powerful and modern domestic engine will appear instead of the Ukrainian one. So the shitty patriot of you. And about the Mi-12: firstly, not 2 of them were built, just 2 survived, and secondly, most of them have not even heard of them, not that they "walk terribly proud because of them"

[Izotovp]

Sorry, I wrote a little incorrectly. Of course, the Americans did not build Mi12, they do not need it, they have enough of their own.
New engines are already, thank God, both make and develop.
Mi-26 at one time almost shut down. The public reared up and it turned out that a good helicopter should be developed.
Patriotism differs from thoughtless ury with sobriety of assessment.
And what does not suit you to whom do you answer?

[Skifotavr]

How is it that I didn’t immediately answer who I was answering! Sometimes reading all the comments of writers can be very useful. Hello to the kosher moles.

[Tor5]

Yeah, he has a vidok, like a garbage can.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: s-t Petrov

such a bucket of PPC

Duc ... if you make a heavy helicopter, guided only by aerodynamics - you get Mi-26.

And if deck assignment with all its charms such as the dimensions of elevators and hangars is prescribed from the very beginning in the technical specifications for a new heavy marine helicopter (future SN-53), then you have to be distorted like this.

[Aljavad]

If he flies the way he looks ...

Flies for a very long time (In 1965, the SN-53A was adopted by the United States) and for the most part - successfully.

But the Yankees are far from the grace of our cars

[Sober]

Somehow it looks strange, some kind of intense.

[Juborg]

This kid has a carrying capacity of about 55 tons, our Mi-26 has 56 tons.

[SSeT]

With a maximum take-off of 40 tons, a payload of 55 ?? Well, well, a visionary, materiel to learn urgently!

[Juborg]

I laughed a little, 5.5 tons.

[Mama_Cholli]

Could not a tail unit (in general, the entire apparatus) normalize something with a file?

A zinc product for a load of 200 looks prettier ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Could not a tail unit (in general, the entire apparatus) normalize something with a file?

The feeling is that his designers chopped with an ax from a single piece of plasticine. They did not hear how Tupolev said that only a beautiful car can fly well. Compare with ours - they didn’t sit on one hectare for sure. Mi-26 - handsome.

[Hyppopotut]

The words about a beautiful airplane belong to A. Yakovlev, see "The Purpose of Life".

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Hyppopotut

The words about a beautiful airplane belong to A. Yakovlev, see "The Purpose of Life".

Guilty, wrong, I admit. But the words are all one correct to eerie. I would write them in all textbooks for designers with an epigraph.

[Kolka82]

A kind of heavy horse

[figwam]

A kind of heavy horse

According to the developer, “the maximum take-off mass of the CH-53K helicopter will be 39,9 tons,

The MI-26 has a maximum takeoff weight of 56 tons.

[Maxom75]

Do not confuse MI-26 and this "unique miracle" of the US helicopter industry. Our helicopter for the landing and delivery of goods, they have convertiplanes for these purposes. The question, of course, is what will happen to the tiltrotor if one propeller dies, but this is a completely different story.))

[Aljavad]

Our helicopter for landing and cargo delivery, they have for these purposes tiltrotors.

However, their tiltrotor will not raise so much.

And not one of them will lift so much!

[Starover_Z]

Quote: figvam

The MI-26 has a maximum takeoff weight of 56 tons.

"Chinook" (Eng. Boeing CH-47 Chinook) - American heavy military transport helicopter longitudinal scheme.
Maximum takeoff weight: 24494 kg
Payload Mass: 12284 kg

[jjj]

Well, the Mi-26 was supposed to deliver missiles in difficult terrain. He and the rear beam has a characteristic "cut" for this. But it turned out to be a useful machine in the national economy, replacing the Mi-6 and Mi-10

[voyaka uh]

And here is the CH-53E Super Stallion
also chinook normally drags

[Manul]

Quote: voyaka uh

And here is the CH-53E Super Stallion
also chinook normally drags

Thank you. An interesting shot. And then to the patriots (I consider myself to be such, but I don’t understand what they mean) and there’s no need to discuss anything, let’s mock only. Zero specifics.

[shuhartred]

Quote: voyaka uh

And here is the CH-53E Super Stallion
also chinook normally drags

And as in the photo above, raise the Tu-134? Weak?

[Manul]

Quote: shuhartred

And as in the photo above, raise the Tu-134? Weak?

It was originally about the topic of the article. Someone began to cite the Mi-26 as an example. Voyaka_Uh answered quite a specific post and very much on the matter. Your mind-blowing observation goes into a third or fourth grade. I really hoped to find out information about such American technology from interested people, and as a result the branch was turned into trash. I am very grateful to you.
PS Admins! Is it possible, for overly politicized and all kinds of phobes and philes, to create, according to technical articles, a separate branch from the coolest mud-waterers? I even promise to come to them and give in to the park, so that it would not be boring. Well, let it all be ugly there, but in another branch it will be possible to at least discuss the characteristics.
PPSO! And you can separate the section of Armament from everyone else. Separate access and a separate ban !!!

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: figvam

The MI-26 has a maximum takeoff weight of 56 tons.

ONE screw !!!

[VseDoFeNi]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

Quote: figvam

The MI-26 has a maximum takeoff weight of 56 tons.

ONE screw !!!

Morons, on one screw 56 tons, it's cool !!!
I goof over the minusers. Well, stupid.

[With Siberian Cranes]

it's not about mi 26

[Manul]

Quote: With Siberian Cranes

it's not about mi 26

Plusaul for comment. I wanted to add to the rating - I looked at your other comments. Oh .. I’d better not look. Catch.

[venaya]

the maximum take-off mass of the CH-53K helicopter will be 39,9 tons, flight range - about 840 km, speed - up to 315 km / h, can carry up to 55 people

For our purposes, this is not yet relevant to us. Let's see what they get.

[a.hamster55]

But the flight range is impressive! Our very voracious.

[venaya]

Quote: a.hamster55

But the flight range is impressive! Our very voracious.

You know, this topic is so relevant for our vast country, especially given today's realities associated with the development of the Arctic, I don’t even know where to start. Here on the site I was already trying to show interest in convertiplanes, we had some extreme ones, but Khrushchov got all the same. There, in theory, it turns out that the economy and theoretical range of its flight is higher than any aircraft. This fact is stubbornly hushed up by someone, but here, on the site, there are simply not enough specialists. So the relevance of your post regarding profitability is colossal, but no one shows interest in this issue. Sorry.

[Rader]

Quote: venaya

Quote: a.hamster55

But the flight range is impressive! Our very voracious.

You know, this topic is so relevant for our vast country, especially given today's realities associated with the development of the Arctic, I don’t even know where to start. Here on the site I was already trying to show interest in convertiplanes, we had some extreme ones, but Khrushchov got all the same. There, in theory, it turns out that the economy and theoretical range of its flight is higher than any aircraft. This fact is stubbornly hushed up by someone, but here, on the site, there are simply not enough specialists. So the relevance of your post regarding profitability is colossal, but no one shows interest in this issue. Sorry.

Well, Duc themselves said that "there are no sufficient specialists" - so there is no one to show interest! Profitability is good, Russia is a big, very big country, and many airfields built under the USSR have not survived to our time. So that a tiltrotor would really be very useful for communication with remote areas. But about the fact that a tiltrotor is more economical than any airplane ... Well, I have doubts about this ... If you, Vyacheslav, have information / theoretical calculations / interesting ideas, then you can arrange all this in the form of an article and debug it here on the VO. I would gladly read such an article

[TSOOBER]

And the booth is nothing like that

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: TSOOBER

And the booth is nothing like that

Mi-38 Cab

[Denis Skiff]

heavy helicopter test

small and so heavy. well, very heavy.

[science fiction writer]

We have 30 years such a machine flies if I'm not mistaken.
Since 1984, it seems MI-26 is called.

[TSOOBER]

what if not a secret, and if you can model with refueling!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: fiction

We have 30 years such a machine flies if I'm not mistaken.
Since 1984, it seems MI-26 is called.

In fact, the original CH-53 Sea Stallion has been flying since 1964.

[science fiction writer]

In fact, the original CH-53 Sea Stallion has been flying since 1964.

If CHOOOOOO the original MI-6 has been flying since 1957.
MI-6

The load in the cabin, kg - 12 000
Suspension load, kg - 8000

CH-53 Sea Stallion

Payload: normal: 3 629 kg
Maximum: 5 780 kg

[TSOOBER]

MI-6 with refueling and possibly based on ships? Thanks for the enlightenment did not know!

[Izotovp]

I also do not understand such a lot of cheers! Our turntable for marines is simply not comparable in terms of performance characteristics with this device and nothing similar can be seen in the plans: neither turntables nor carriers (((.

[shuhartred]

Quote: TSOOBER

MI-6 with refueling and possibly based on ships?

I didn’t know that we had a ship capable of receiving Mi-6. Can you name it? Once the appropriate trough is in place, upgrading the turntable will not take so long.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: shuhartred

Once the appropriate trough is in place, upgrading the turntable will not take so long.

Yeah ... just spit. Just something - a new screw, a new layout of the engines / gearbox, a new tail boom, a new chassis, a new cab.

Because to base the original Mi-6 / Mi-26 in the hangar, you need a minimum of Kitty Hawk. And that is not a fact ...

[shuhartred]

Quote: Alexey RA

Yeah ... just spit. Just something - a new screw, a new layout of the engines / gearbox, a new tail boom, a new chassis, a new cab.

In short, an airplane was attached to the license plate. Just what for so much new?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: TSOOBER

MI-6 with refueling and possibly based on ships? Thanks for the enlightenment did not know!

Heh heh heh ...

[1536]

Looking at American technology of such a futuristic look, one involuntarily comes to the idea that we should have done this to participate in parades and festivals. Maybe, of course, it is also possible to fight on it, but it will be a painful pity to watch the "Arrow", "Needle" or "Willow" "stitch" this expensive object into both sides.

[a.hamster55]

I did not understand about "they are stitching into both sides" that they do not explode already

[INF]

The main thing is to shout that someone is already ready to buy it, and the clearance is too small ...

[a.hamster55]

On our roads will not go far

[a.hamster55]

We have pits in the air, but maybe the Airborne’s dug trenches

[Alexey RA]

Quote: INF

and the clearance is too small ...

And the hatches are thin ...

[Denis DV]

55 people with equipment? I doubt something

[Vladimirets]

2 pilots and one arrow each on both sides and in the tail section

Tell me why the arrow for such a helicopter?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vladimirets

Tell me why the arrow for such a helicopter?

These are marines - he was completely frostbitten. They use the heavy transporter of our Mi-26 class when landing the first echelon of landing and as a PSS helicopter (because of range).

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alexey RA

Mi-26 class transporter is used when landing the first echelon of landing

A great target even for DShK.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Vladimirets

A great target even for DShK.

That is why it is necessary to introduce into the crew the shooters who work with machine guns installed on the ramp and on the sides - M2HB or generally "miniguns":

[Aljavad]

frostbite on his head. They use the heavy transport class of our Mi-26 when landing the first echelon of landing

For example, in Iran, when they tried to save the hostages!

[a.hamster55]

If it’s not difficult then read what and how Our IAS was put in the DRA and what barrels and ammunition were exchanged for. In addition, it is a loading and unloading team. And here everything is already provided.

[Mountain shooter]

Male! The refueling bar is brutal. Did the developers hear anything about aerodynamics?

[Alexey RA]

With a powerful engine, even an ax will fly.

[Aljavad]

Did the developers hear anything about aerodynamics?

Are you talking about Sikorsky? Actually, at the source

Just the sense of beauty in him its.

[Rader]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Male! The refueling bar is brutal. Did the developers hear anything about aerodynamics?

Quote: Alexey RA

With a powerful engine, even an ax will fly.

"Aerodynamics were invented by those who did not have a normal engine" (c)

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Male! The refueling bar is brutal.

This is not a barbell. This is a bayonet!

[mosquito]

In vain irony ...
Heavy, refueling in the air ...

[Grigory]

I wouldn’t like to jerk it off but it seems to me that it is ugly .... and a curve!

[lunokhod]

They would buy vertics from us from Russians and they would be happy.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: lunoxod

They would buy vertics from us from Russians and they would be happy.

Please name the domestic heavy deck helicopter with a refueling system in the air.

[Manul]

Quote: Alexey RA

Please name the domestic heavy deck helicopter with a refueling system in the air.

Exactly! When the Mistral were discussed, I was upset that we did not have a carrier-based landing helicopter. The Mi-8 will probably be small, the Mi-26 is bulky for the ship. So probably a good concept, we would have to develop similar in size and capabilities.

[Rader]

Quote: Manul

Quote: Alexey RA

Please name the domestic heavy deck helicopter with a refueling system in the air.

Exactly! When the Mistral were discussed, I was upset that we did not have a carrier-based landing helicopter. The Mi-8 will probably be small, the Mi-26 is bulky for the ship. So probably a good concept, we would have to develop similar in size and capabilities.

There is no such helicopter, and it will not appear soon ... Because without UDC it will not work "for its intended purpose" anyway, and when this UDC will appear it is not clear ...

[Manul]

Quote: Rader

... Because without the UDC it will not be possible to use it "for its intended purpose" anyway, and it is not clear when this UDC will appear ...

Really? Amphibious helicopter without UDC is not needed anywhere? Here is a one hundred percent transporter imprisoned for transferring units to the front line and with maximum protection from weapons - NOT NEEDED? Let me disagree. In addition to MI-24, which can really stand up for itself, but it is more of an attack aircraft. Mi-8 and all further incarnations are essentially trucks. Something specifically ground for the transfer of personnel is necessary. It seems that the Americans have it.
My suggestions? Create a modular helicopter of the Ka-226 type with a landing capsule. In case of danger that can be reset on a parachute system.

[Rader]

Hmmm ... Well, I meant the deck version, and not the landing helicopter as such. As for the machine embodying the idea of ​​a "flying BMP", such a machine has not yet been created, and Sikorsky certainly does not pull this concept. The creators of the Mi 24 came closest, but this machine is still more of a drummer, in this and in the assessment of the 8th I agree with you. But if you try to resurrect the idea of ​​a "flying infantry fighting vehicle" (and in my opinion, at the present stage of development with modern engines and a complex of weapons, it is quite possible to implement), and create a machine that completely satisfies it, then the resulting helicopter will be very distantly similar to an American, if it will look like ...
Regarding your idea of ​​a modular helicopter: interesting of course, but in the near future they will realize it.

[Izotovp]

Fiction, of course, but it looks gorgeous

[Manul]

Quote: Rader

Rader Yesterday, 23:38 PM ↑
Hmmm ... Well, I had in mind the decked version, and not the landing helicopter as such

I agree, I mixed the concept. Firstly, I defended the very idea of ​​a purely landing helicopter, and went far from the deck option. But for a long time everything was good for Americans with helicopters sharpened for transferring l / s. And we always tried to combine everything - a truck, an attack aircraft, and an armored personnel carrier. But as a result, either the attack or the supply all the same won. But there was no special care for the soldiers. So my main idea is first of all that the means of delivery and evacuation of personnel in the combat zone need a new incarnation. The Americans are trying, and we would not laugh, but to think - what do we have in return? And to create a version of both land and deck. I am sure that their new concept will do well on both fronts.

[Rader]

So my main idea is first of all that the means of delivery and evacuation of personnel in the combat zone need a new incarnation.

Undoubtedly, but it is necessary to revise the entire concept of conducting combat operations, and then only to shape the appearance of equipment that is capable of operating most effectively according to the chosen model. With ground equipment, it began to get out. This is the concept of heavy (with T-14 and T-15), medium (Kurgan) and light (Bumirangi) brigades. With helicopters, such conceptual changes are not observed ... Yes, and it seems to me that we will not get a clean "air armored personnel carrier", the temptation is too great to provide for a "couple" of mountings for cochet with NURS. Well, if "provided", then you must use it! And nothing can be done about it ...

[Just BB]

Why do you need it?
Thank God we don't have Mistrals.
And why would a helicopter refuel in the air?
We have a huge land area - take a seat - refuel! At your service Mi-26TZ, in decent conditions (airfield) - IL-78

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Just BB

Why do you need it?

So topikstarter offered the United States to buy helicopters from us. So I'm interested in - what kind of helicopters do we have for the American concept?

[Altona]

To kill two birds with one stone ... And the helicopter is a freak, to be honest, maybe inside it is a super-duper, but visually che.em.oshny ...

[lunokhod]

And he has refueling from the same awkward car. At least hit the RPG.

[Abbra]

In a word, pepelats. I can’t understand for what unique tasks this bull is fed?

[Abbra]

It seems to me that the designer of this helicopter is wandering around the "Military Review" and puts all disadvantages ...

[YGV-97219]

Hippopotamus with a propeller!

[roskot]

The company made a cake, the company wants to sell it and have some money.

[avt]

Quote: propolsky

Even to develop his time, he looks wretched.

Quote: roskot

The company made a cake, the company wants to sell it and have some money.

The firm "made a pie" in 1964 and since those years the machine has completely proved its right to life and is constantly in service from time to time modernized.

[propolsky]

Even to develop his time, he looks wretched. The equipment will certainly be what you need, but it does not look.

[Just BB]

The helicopter is not a "model" - it should not to look like, and perform the inherent functions.

Here is the use of three engines in a helicopter - a very interesting design solution

[Zheka40]

Some misery.

[tlauicol]

Laughed and that's enough. But seriously, the armament of the marine corps, we do not have a single heavy helicopter. Not a single heavy helicopter in the fleet at all. And not a single helicopter with a refueling system in the Air Force

[Manul]

Quote: Tlauicol

Laughed and that's enough.

They can't stop. Chain reaction. A general mockery to all for joy.

[Aljavad]

tlauikol Today, 17:13 New
Laughed and that's enough. But seriously, the armament of the marine corps, we do not have a single heavy helicopter. Not a single heavy helicopter in the fleet at all. And not a single helicopter with a refueling system in the Air Force

... and refueling - on the contrary!

[Just BB]

Once again I will say: in Russia there is no need to use helicopter refueling in the air.

Refueling helicopters were and are Mi-6TZ and Mi-26TZ, refueling is carried out by any equipment, but on the ground - it is big with us!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Just BB

Once again I will say: in Russia there is no need to use helicopter refueling in the air.

Not yet. Although for the same MSS, a long-range heavy universal machine would not hurt to pull out pilots working outside the radius of the Mi-8 / Mi-24.
Refueling on the ground in enemy territory ... this is some kind of "Eagle Claw-2" operation.

[Just BB]

Why are you so far away?
Mi-8 (I will not have all the letters) - easily hangs in the air for 4,5 hours, and this is 450 km in each direction - beyond this distance - these are operations of a different scale - "Eagle Claw" - in this case, an easy gamble.

[starec.luka]

As the foreman said, beautifully means it’s done right .. and here it’s not beautiful ... and so d ... mo ...

[Bryanskiy_Volk]

I recall the words of A.N. Tupolev about the KSSh rocket: “Yes. . But it will fly! ”

[Bort radist]

It looks papelats certainly peculiar. But you don’t have to joke much. This is a branch of our Russian aeronautics school. "Igor Ivanovich Sikorsky is the creator of the world's first four-engine aircraft Grand and Russian Knight, the Ilya Muromets heavy bomber, the world's first transatlantic seaplane and the first serial helicopters." 1912 -1914 "Grand" became the ancestor of all multi-engine aircraft in the world. Soon this aircraft received a new name - “Russian Knight”. On it, Igor Ivanovich on August 2, 1913 set a world record for flight duration (1 h 54 min) with 8 passengers on board. For the invention of the world's first multi-engine aircraft, the State Duma awarded Sikorsky a cash prize of 75 thousand rubles.
The plane "Ilya Muromets." The name "Ilya Muromets" (S-22) received a series of four-engine solid-wood biplanes, one of which first flew up in the sky in 1913. The aircraft were produced by the Russian-Baltic Carriage Works from 1913 to 1918. A total of 80 cars were produced. “Ilya Muromets” became famous for the records set on it for the maximum flight altitude, carrying capacity, time and number of passengers. In 1919, Sikorsky emigrated to America.

[Bryanskiy_Volk]

Oh! Is our school ?? By your logic, if the Wright brothers invented an airplane, is the Su-34 also an American development branch?

[reactive]

Anyway, for me he is a traitor to the Motherland .... Talk not about the bad Great Soviet power, I beg you, you like to be powerless slaves now - for God's sake, but he is a traitor (the Jewish face) and he will die in a foreign land.

[ivan bogomolov]

Another American bucket with all amenities.

[twincam]

Hmm, he looks, to put it mildly, an amateur.

MI-26 is definitely better and more beautiful.

[Sashka]

Quote: avt

This is a fairly reliable "bucket" which has long served quite normally in many areas as a minesweeper and as a special forces transport.

And this is because the founder of the company comes from Russia ... That's how, even there, beyond the hill, what was born in the Russian head serves faithfully ... =)

[Zai pali]

See how it flies smoothly, a real heavy helicopter

https://youtu.be/rBP1cIh27Oo

[kote119]

good time-tested machine

[vlad7777kul]

They decided not to develop a new engine? They slammed the third one and forward.

[BARMEN628651]

It seemed to me alone that the car was shaking and heeling.

[mosquito]

So it’s for all aircraft of the GDP, whether it’s self-made, or spit ...

[dakty]

Something is hard to believe that 55 people will fit there. Is that a jack and in several layers ...

[Bort radist]

Quote: BARMEN628651

It seemed to me alone that the car was shaking and heeling.

"... the stability of the machine when hovering at a height of 9,1 meters has been tested within the effect of the earth cushion, that is, the air flows reflected from the earth's surface from the rotor"- told the press service. All "dance" by the ground, with a set would be more equal flight.

[afrikanez]

Designers did their best!

[Manul]

Quote: afrikanez

Designers did their best!

Sorry, but what kind of nonsense are you talking about? Since when have designers developed military equipment? All the beauty of technology comes exclusively from functionality. If the design interferes with the matter, then what a design. And vice versa - an ugly sturdy man who has earned respect will immediately begin to like everyone. This is absolutely.
Yes, be it a box with ugly upholstery, if it functions perfectly, and crumble the enemy (that is, for example), then believe me (!!!) - it will immediately seem beautiful and serious to everyone. And no one will think about joking with him.!

[evgen75]

similar to pepelats

[mosquito]

This helicopter is an analogue of the Mi-6 (unfortunately this category of helicopter is not in Russia)

CH-53E (1974) Payload: 37-64 soldiers or 24 stretchers or 13608 kg of cargo in the cabin or 9072 kg on the suspension of two or three 7.62-mm six-barrel machine guns GAU-2B / A Minigun

Mi - 6 The load in the cabin, kg - 12 000 The load on the suspension, kg - 8000

It carries 1-2 platoons, depending on the equipment, refueling ...

Comparison with the Mi-26 is completely out of place ...

[fa2998]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Male! The refueling bar is brutal. Did the developers hear anything about aerodynamics?

Well, he doesn’t go on the podium, and a cargo helicopter flying at a cruising speed of 200-250 is too perverted with aerodynamics. The helicopter is powerful and reliable. Adapted to the deck, the radius (and also refueling) is huge. Our course is nicer, but this one is 4+.

[With Siberian Cranes]

In the news about the American helicopter, more comments about the Ukrainian! Tired of my Ukraine already

[TIO1969]

how appropriate and, most importantly, is it safe to use such a monster in a landing?
If you look at the story of his predecessor - CH-53 "Sea Stelon", the picture is not unique ...
During the Vietnam War, the Americans lost 36 CH-53 Sea Stelon helicopters of various modifications. At least six CH-53 helicopters were lost in Afghanistan. In Iraq, a case is known when a helicopter was shot down from an RPG.

[Izotovp]

The use of any helicopter for landing requires a competent approach: reconnaissance, sweeping, support, etc. .. Neglect of any of the articles of the charter generates either heroism or tragedy ... sometimes all together (((

[Manul]

Quote: TIO1969

how appropriate and, most importantly, is it safe to use such a monster in a landing?

The most important thing is the POSSIBILITY of landing. If you have something, you yourself will choose a place and time. And quite possibly it will be a deserted beach without waiting for defensive lines. Tell me - this is how we can carry out the landing of the sea? And especially tell us about shore delivery.
You can’t even consider today, it’s clear that all our landing ships in Syria are busy. So, in principle, outline, you can even with an eye to the future.

[Izotovp]

The fact of the matter is that they have turntables like we have BTR-a lot and everyone. And we have nothing similar in this class. Everything is up to the platoon, and if more, by plane, which in the case of mobilization may not be enough, and all the necessary runways will be already bombed.

[Mera joota]

The feeling that the majority reason with the spinal cord and the US patterns is bad, Russia is good. Only an ignoramus can compare a ship-based heavy amphibious assault helicopter with a heavy transport helicopter. Only those who do not remember the tragedy with the Mi26 in Khankala and how many young guys died in the process can scoff at how "easily" you can shoot him down ...

[leon1204id]

Do not LA-LA MI-6 is not Ukrainian but Soviet. The memory is girlish. But MI-26-T2 is already real for the Russian Federation. The modernization of MI-6 in MI-26 not far bounced on the performance characteristics. However, 70 (according to other sources 82) paratroopers instead of 55 (U SN-53K) for the same ~ 800 km. In Afghanistan, more than 6 people were slaughtered in MI-100th and he was carrying them.
The main problem is the Motor Sich engines (D-136). This company will open after joining the EU, sorry for the resources and people. The EU does not need Soviet standards.
Although we climb: http://www.dp.ru/a/2015/02/18/K_2017_godu_Rossija_polnos/
I would be glad if someone throws info on our projects for heavy helicopters.

[mav1971]

Let's sum up.
Uryakalki really do not know anything about the helicopters of a potential enemy.
Not about his appointment.
Not about its use.
Not about its characteristics.
Compare the ass with a finger, i.e. incomparable.
The functionality of its use is very wide. And the modifications are complete. And they were released not by 1 demo or layout, but by dozens and all worked / working.

[Old26]

Quote: shuhartred

And as in the photo above, raise the Tu-134? Weak?

What the fuck. Is this the purpose of helicopters to lift planes?
The helicopter is adapted for long-distance flights, has an air refueling system, and can be based on ships. And for them the CH-53K 16 tons of load is enough. And most importantly, their number is greater than our MI-26 ... In principle, a normal helicopter, a "workhorse" ... But whether you like the look or not, it's a matter of taste and of helicopter engineering schools

[Manul]

And the most interesting thing for me is the concept of the forward inclined angle of the screw (it’s clear why it’s lateral - it was the first people in Milevts who came up with it). Our helicopter pilots took off in the mountains of Afghanistan, tilting the car forward while running on takeoff. Here, the propeller works not only up, but also initially forward. Is it only in this project that was invented, or was it already implemented before? Tell me who knows! Or is it everywhere, but I did not notice?

[NordUral]

No TTX, without them it’s empty chatter.
Searched for data. It was already estimated that it was much weaker than our Mi-26, and it turns out that way.

[NordUral]

For an approximate acquaintance.

[NordUral]

And here is our, very Soviet, Mi-26. Neither add nor decrease. Golden section technology.

[Manul]

Quote: NordUral

No TTX, without them it’s empty chatter.
Searched for data. It was already estimated that it was much weaker than our Mi-26, and it turns out that way.

For that and comments, to discuss everything. Like a marshal, but look at the "year of birth", everything is immediately clear.
The Chukchi comes to the publishing house. -However, I composed a novel, please type it. The editor looked and says - Fundamentally, but the syllable is lame. You should read the classics, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky .. In response, Chukchi is not a reader, however. Chukchi is a writer.

[Arikkhab]

it is not clear why they suddenly began to compare with the MI-26? the helicopter itself is not bad, and the pace of production is normal ... plus the Americans have a wide range of aircraft, and we have Mi-8 behind a box of stewed meat ... well, yes, we are rich, to eat "golden stew" ... and the helicopter is normal, I had to fly on the SN-53E, it is quite suitable for the tasks

[Dimon19661]

An ordinary modern transport helicopter, which was created to perform a certain range of tasks. Better .. worse .. is it interesting to me that you ever came to a helicopter? Or did you fly? Is there anything to compare ???

[Zaurbek]

Sikorsky, too, has been flying for 30 years. This is an upgraded version, type Mi-171. it is heavier than the Mi-8 and lighter than the Mi-26. It seems with 4 engines. I don’t think that companies in the USA have the technical ability to make a heavy Mi-26 helicopter. In cap countries, the ideology of creating technology is slightly different and better with roads than ours. And so, they have all the technical capabilities for this. If they need such devices as MI-26, the United States will simply buy them from us, having paid for an alteration to its standards, as it was in Afghanistan, it will be more profitable than developing and launching a series of its heavy helicopter.

[Old26]

Quote: Zaurbek

And so, they have all the technical capabilities for this. If they need such devices as MI-26, the United States will simply buy them from us, having paid for an alteration to its standards, as it was in Afghanistan, it will be more profitable than developing and launching a series of its heavy helicopter.

Do not add, do not diminish.

[cesar65]

The helicopter flies because it shakes.

[Bort radist]

Quote: cesar65

The helicopter flies because it shakes.

Helicopter pilots are always given a full glass, and while I bring the glass to them, they spill half of it. We said so.

[flay]

Quote: ArikKhab

...plus the Americans have a wide range of aircraft, and we have Mi-8s chasing a box of stew...well, yes, we are rich, we can eat the “golden stew”...and the helicopter is normal, I had to fly the Sn-53e, quite suitable for the tasks

In my opinion, no one has canceled the market. In terms of demand.
If the Americans took on the task of building a helicopter with such performance characteristics, probably the marketers (that’s what those who study market demand are called) were somehow “twisting their noses.” There will be demand!
At least we don’t have to spend money on marketing research.
If we create something in between the Mi-8 and Mi-26, similar in its performance characteristics to the CH-53K King Stallion, mattress covers, then the potential buyers are India, China - promising aircraft carrier operators, Egypt for their Mistrals, our aircraft will begin to purchase it from the manufacturer.
Today there are no new helicopters in Russia, except for the light Ka-62 (with Ardiden engines, France) and Ansat (with PW 207K engines from Pratt & Whitney Canada), all the rest come from the USSR or variations on their theme./ correct me if I'm wrong.
In addition, having a helicopter/glider, you can then endlessly modernize, adapt to customer requirements, as an example of the Mi-8.