Commander of the Estonian Air Force is outraged by the fact that the citizens of the country are insulting the NATO soldiers

The Commander-in-Chief of the Estonian Air Force (and there is an Air Force in Estonia ...), Colonel Jaak Tarien, stated that he extremely regrets the existence of racist inclinations among the population in Estonia. We are talking about incidents that are frequent in Tallinn. Locals, seeing NATO dark-skinned soldiers who have become regulars of Estonian cafes and bars, to put it mildly, are unflattering about their presence in the Baltic countries. One of the exclamations that NATO black soldiers heard was “Go to Nigeria.” There are also outright fights.

Jaak Tarien on Facebook writes (translation RIA News):

Today I had to blush with shame because of the behavior of our compatriots. I watched the teachings of the American squadron in Tapa. I asked my colleagues how 300 and over a man squadron feel. Everything is good: a beautiful place, Estonians are proud of their country, beautiful houses, clean streets. But it is difficult to explain why they are poorly accepted in the city, if they are our allies. He clarified and it turned out that those soldiers whose skin color is different are forced to endure verbal and sometimes even physical attacks in Tallinn.

Tarien claims that such an attitude towards NATO soldiers makes Estonia a rogue state.

Tarien:

Throwing at people standing at the hotel or shouting in the restaurant "get out to Nigeria", you will attack people who defend our independence. If necessary, they will give life for our freedom. And you, the guardian of the fatherland, is ready to give it for the state?

Racism is a monstrous thing, however, firstly, for Estonia any discrimination, including discrimination based on ethnicity, is common, and secondly, Tarien for some reason wonders why “defenders of independence” often end up in Tallinn restaurants rather than on landfills and other military facilities ...

Comments

[Name]

The question arises - what kind of delicate creatures were brought to the Baltic "tigers" ...

[Dembel77]

For some reason, Tarien does not wonder why the “defenders of independence” are more likely to be in Tallinn restaurants than at training grounds and other military facilities ...

Because whoever Washington sends is the standard of a modern soldier for the citizens of "proud and independent Estonia"!

[ZU-23]

Well, whoever will like the occupation troops, even though they are presented there as saviors from the aggressor, but not everyone listens to this tale.

[The lead]

Lovely Estonia, beautiful houses, clean streets, proud passers-by, proud of their country, everything is just like in Germany in the 30s-40s, there isn’t enough smoke from the chimneys of crematoria to complete the blessed picture. Could it be time to politely bring a little mess into the Baltic idyll?

[varov14]

But it is necessary to be polite, if there really is an idyll it is better to go on vacation. For you that there is not enough territory, arrange your own properly.

[Temples]

What did this negro forget in the Baltic?
Residents probably ask similar questions.
How can we prevent racism?
Who is this Negro if not an invader?
And NATO intends to send blacks there.
Thus completely below the baseboard lowers the Baltic states.
What they wanted, they got it.
The trend, you know, is "exceptional" by blacks.

[Karabanov]

Quote: Temples

And NATO intends to send blacks there.
Thus completely below the baseboard lowers the Baltic states.

They lower themselves when they lick the ass of the main black man.

[Temples]

I agree, they omit themselves.
Even on the helmet they wrote to him Black.
Apparently they have helmets for black and white

[a housewife]

How? Hasn't the word BLACK been announced a taboo in the USA ?!

[shasherin.pavel]

So on the checkerboard we have white cells and African-American ...

[kush62]

Temples (2) Yesterday, 10:59 ↑
I agree, they omit themselves.
Even on the helmet they wrote to him Black.
Apparently they have helmets for black and white

Most likely an inscription for their color blind. To distinguish soldiers by color.
The inscription is probably developed by British scientists.

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Temples

Even on the helmet they wrote him Black

This is not to offend color blind. How do you show an African-American in the language of the deaf-mute? On a geographic map of Africa, connect America with a straight line !?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Temples

And NATO intends to send blacks there.
Thus completely below the baseboard lowers the Baltic states.
What they wanted, they got it.
The trend, you know, is "exceptional" by blacks.

In the form of humanitarian aid from Russia, send a wagon of bananas to Estonia to feed Negroes ...

[Enot-poloskun]

Comrades! We missed the most important thing!

I wonder how many black Estonians will be born after the visit of NATO marines?

[smart Fox]

Not at all, in same-sex marriage children are not born!

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: Enot-poloskun

I wonder how many blacks are born

estofrikov black.

[The lead]

Quote: varov14

if there really is an idyll it’s better to go on vacation

Yeah, such an idyll, I want to go there on vacation, in tanks.

Quote: varov14

For you that there is not enough territory, arrange your own properly.

And is there enough territory for me or not, whether it is equipped or not? You do not write to the topic at all.

Quote: varov14

And it is polite

What we do, we cannot calmly look at marches of lovers of a glorious feat of arms, at citizens and non-citizens, at ordinary fascism.

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

Just like during the fascist occupation! Soldiers urinate in public on flowerbeds and walls and touch Estonian! Even the over-braked sprat-eaters are beginning to understand how much the Yankees are pulling them!

[venaya]

Quote: ZU-23

Well, who will like the occupation forces

Exclusively only to those who from this can not weakly fuck in their own pocket. It is on them that those who arrange this whole circus make a bet.

[Kindof]

[quote] Throwing at people standing by the hotel or shouting at the restaurant "get out to Nigeria", you will attack the people who defend our independence [quote]
That is, when soldiers from another continent, where locals were once massacred, in the restaurants of your city, when planes are shaving overhead, and armored vehicles are on the streets - this is called independence.
And when an industry is being built in your country, which has never been born, infrastructure, resorts, is an occupation.

Well then, the black boys in the eyes and the strict regime - for a psychiatric hospital this is normal ..

[Altona]

Quote: ZU-23

Well, whoever will like the occupation troops, even though they are presented there as saviors from the aggressor, but not everyone listens to this tale.

------------------
I wanted to say in a different way: "Do NATO soldiers think they are in a fairy tale?"

[Sasha 19871987]

there is a breeding ground for coves and racists, just after the Second World War there were many disadvantages ...

[samoletil18]

Quote: ZU-23

rescuers from the aggressor

My son is in contact with Estonians and Latvians. At first he thought that they were Russians, while Pärnu and Jelgava were in Russia, and the guys were Jews. And for a long time I did not believe that his Estonian friends on vacation in Turkey five years ago were not Russians. "Why do they communicate better in Russian?"
There who are younger, many are not even aware of the "occupiers and the occupation", but they taught Russian for future business, these people were specifically targeted by sanctions, they could do more in the future than the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and all the relevant committees in the State Duma and Federation Council.

[a housewife]

What did your son go to school? He does not know geography, he does not know history, Russian knows worse than the Baltic states!

[samoletil18]

But what are the results of the GIA! We must give knowledge to our own children. The school says hire tutors. And Putin himself admitted geography suffered from education reforms. Sarcasm about "worse than the Balts", so you yourself clocked it. This generation has a lot that others do, at least well - "better than me": the Balts do not give a damn, no swearing, no slang, no words of parasites, but for you these subtleties are an expression of an excellent knowledge of the language? at least your comment
PS A minus from me you will not wait. It must be earned.

[samoletil18]

Quote: ZU-23

rescuers from the aggressor

My son is in contact with Estonians and Latvians. At first he thought that they were Russians, while Pärnu and Jelgava were in Russia, and the guys were Jews. And for a long time I did not believe that his Estonian friends on vacation in Turkey five years ago were not Russians. "Why do they communicate better in Russian?"
There who are younger, many are not even aware of the "occupiers and the occupation", but they taught Russian for future business, these people were specifically targeted by sanctions, they could do more in the future than the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and all the relevant committees in the State Duma and Federation Council.

[Xanna]

There is also a moment: there are no medals with only one side, each medal has 2 of them. By educating the country in the ideals of Nazism against the Russians, you will get Nazism against everyone. It is impossible to tell the Nazis that it is possible on the Russians, but not on the Amers, the human psyche is a little different. Things like Nazism cannot be kept in check, they don't understand the words "fas" and "fu".

[Truth]

Commander of the Estonian Air Force is outraged by the fact that the citizens of the country are insulting the NATO soldiers

Well, what can I advise Mr. Colonel Jaak Tarien ...
If your people inflict emotional wounds on Merikos warriors, then you personally try to lick these wounds (the place of licking is located below the coccyx, between the buttocks).

ps The place of licking, determined as a result of many years of observation, of the behavior of individuals related to: - Politics, business and the US military.

[Dr. Livesey]

Quote: Truth

Well, what can I advise Mr. Colonel Jaak Tarien ...

Let her appeal to the Estonian citizens, instead of showing aggression and racism towards the black "defenders", to show love and respect by gifting every African American soldier with bananas.

[tihonmarine]

Bely will not go to war for Estonia.

[major071]

Ahhhh! Who fastened the NATO uniform on journalist and television presenter Anton Zaitsev ?! Now they’re not letting him on a cannon shot to TV!

[viktorrymar]

Ahhhh! Who fastened the NATO uniform on journalist and television presenter Anton Zaitsev?

[viktorrymar]

Ahhhh! Who fastened the NATO uniform on journalist and television presenter Anton Zaitsev?

[ivan bogomolov]

Ah Antokha, and so it was all delicious, but it's like .......))))

[Kindof]

It did not work out of the army ...
Even a change of surname and employment on pacifist programs about food did not help
But still drawn to bars and eateries, yes, Anton?

[Lord of the Sith]

Quote: viktorrymar

Ahhhh! Who fastened the NATO uniform on journalist and television presenter Anton Zaitsev?

You have revealed our agent

[vovanpain]

Quote: name

Today I had to blush with shame because of the behavior of our compatriots.

And here I am reading and bastard, the Estonian racist is something, but this booby blush for the fact that he was barked at his masters, so let the sprat blush.

[inkass_98]

Something tells me that Estonian citizens know much better who guarantees security in the region and who destabilizes it, than the whole commander of the flightless air force of this territorial misunderstanding.

[USSR 1971]

Is the Estonian commander in chief pictured?

[deduly1957]

But does Estonia have an air force, and these are probably those airplanes from the parade (paper)

[Hort]

of course have! Haven't you heard of a kite and a navy?

[Love]

These Chukhons have a lot of things)))))

[nayk]

didn't laugh, cried

[polkovnik manuch]

I liked it very much !!!

[APASUS]

Quote: vovanpain

And here I am reading and bastard, a racist Estonian is that

This is not racism.
This is a mysterious Estonian gratitude!

[tihonmarine]

In Estonia, any amer "number one"

[Enot-poloskun]

Interestingly, have Estonians already shown Obama's favorite food, banana, to heroes from the states? What was the reaction of the valiant wars from NATO?)))

[kotvov]

Obama's Banana? What was the reaction of the valiant wars from NATO?))) ,,
some will devour and right there ... the reality of the occupation.

[Max_Bauder]

Commander-in-Chief of the Estonian Air Force (and Estonia has the Air Force ...)

you will attack the people who defend our independence.

doesn’t the fact of the presence of a foreign contingent of troops in your country say that you are still dependent ?! and moreover, from the country whose army arrived, she will dictate her conditions, otherwise why would she risk the lives of her soldiers in order to save some people whose country cannot be found on the map.

If necessary, they will give our lives for our freedom.

Yeah, schA, only the lace on the boot will tie an American and ... will run to his ships during the first bombing.

[Sweles]

like white democracy, but whether you get black.

[Imperialkolorad]

Quote: name

The question arises - what kind of delicate creatures were brought to the Baltic "tigers" ...

So the Baltic state with the active support of the Americans systematically and purposefully fed the fascists in these countries. Now you see, I don’t like that the blacks are called blacks.

[varov14]

The legitimate desire of the local population not to become either gers or Arabs, and by the way they probably know that nobody is going to attack them, what to take there. On the other hand, cunning America keeps blacks in prisons, sends blacks to fight again, as they were slaves and remained, only the gene pool will be spoiled. Drive them out of restaurants, drive them with a filthy broom, the whites come to guard, let them guard properly.

[aleks 62 next]

.... The question arises - what kind of delicate creatures were brought to the Baltic "tigers" ...

.... Why should they be offended ??? .... They have written on the helmet - black !!!!! ....

[demo]

Is it really a black man called a nigga?
Here are the balts ill-mannered.
Although they could be black .... called monkeys.

[Fregate]

I thought in the photo the commander in chief of the Estonian Air Force
By the way, the soldier's helmet says "Black". Will a white man have "White" written?

[Zefr]

You may have forgotten:

"The mayor of the Latvian city of Ventspils, Aivars Lembergs, told reporters that the unsightly actions of the alliance soldiers discredit NATO in the eyes of the population of Latvia. The mayor told in detail about all the sins of NATO. According to him, the sailors" behaved like a pig, ignored the laws of Latvia and self-government rules. " “When they got drunk, they relieved themselves in public places and in shop windows, vomited, publicly drank alcohol, which is not allowed. They also plucked flowers from flower beds to give them to prostitutes, "the mayor complained. In his opinion, the military" behaved like occupiers who do not recognize the sovereignty and laws of Latvia. "

[Bauer]

"Commander-in-Chief of the Estonian Air Force"
Interested in what is the composition of the Air Force? 2 corn kernels, or 3? It would be quite possible to appoint a starling Commander-in-Chief.

[bondarencko]

Read - /slon.ru/world/v_latvijskom_portu_pobili_moryakov_nato_opyat-1097787.xhtml

[rafaelich]

I am also against racism and especially blacks! .. gee-gee

[Drmadfisher]

the world turned upside down, now the most racists are black and

[Imperialkolorad]

Quote: rafaelich

I am also against racism and especially blacks! .. gee-gee

So there is an expression: "No blacks - no racism."

[shasherin.pavel]

Quote: rafaelich

I am also against racism

from the blacks.

[Alekseev-Orsk]

And these balts do not care who to yell at least at Russia, at least at NATO. The main thing is to shout something.

[Wolka]

here they are in all their glory, fascists ...

[GRAY]

Quote: Volka

here they are in all their glory, fascists ...

Soldaten something? These yes, they are - behave uncivilized, especially in a restaurant, and occupation administration the Estonian government (also fascists) covers them.
Ah, what an ill-mannered population in Estonia - they should bow to the feet of their saviors, and they thought of digging to the Negroes. This is not tolerant ...
It’s bad to be a black man - you get burned even in a citizen.

[pascal309]

In which case, these allies will do the first legs.
A million times this has already passed, and stupid Baltic tribes still exchange gold for glass.

[Sasha75]

This is still the Russian taxi drivers did not communicate with them, and then in general they would go broke on psychologists.

[nayk]

There are no Russian and Estonian taxi drivers, mainly jamshuda

[Sorokin]

Likely to behave it was necessary to learn? Maybe local Nigerians would not be offended.

[GRAY]

Quote: Sorokin

Likely to behave it was necessary to learn? Maybe local Nigerians would not be offended.

Residents of countries of old Europe have stereotypes about the Baltic states, and Americans do not even know such a word. They came to the savages, and behave accordingly.
There is one kintz, not a masterpiece of world cinema, of course, but their attitude towards the Baltic countries is rather clearly shown there.

[740]

Of course, the lackey of the Estonian Gauleiter is indignant that the slaves to the dogs of the mattress master opened their mouths.

[Barboskin]

Well, they themselves have raised the fascists, and now they are offended.

[remkd]

Here it is: If necessary, they will give their lives for our freedom.

[Denis DV]

What did they want? This is a mini sampler of Nazi Germany

Throwing at people standing at the hotel or shouting in the restaurant "get out to Nigeria", you will attack people who defend our independence. If necessary, they will give life for our freedom. And you, the guardian of the fatherland, is ready to give it for the state?

Such would G. Goering declared

[horoh]

Even I strongly doubt that the NATA soldiers would give their lives for the Estonians.

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: horoh

Even I strongly doubt that the NATA soldiers would give their lives for the Estonians.

And they won’t give it up, they abandon their own, to say nothing of some Baltic states there.

[3 Gorynych]

Well called, well, Che, he's really a Negro ...!

[NKVD]

People are not against blacks, they are against ov. They hint from what place their commander

[Neophyte]

Negro defenders of Estonian independence do not fit into the mentality of Estonians! And defenders themselves are unlikely to feel like giving their lives for the local people!

[Panikovsky]

In addition, Negro defenders do not visit museums and vernissages, but bars and breweries with all the ensuing consequences.

[Rurikovich]

Costs of Democracy

[cobalt]

Nothing, they’ll soon have several thousand black migrants settling in, it will be fun to watch someone who gobbles up there faster.

[linadherent]

Ha ha ... Hot Estonian guys anneal ... But are they right? In my opinion, all blacks belong to the black race, and not to the African American! Damn, even Firefox agrees with me, he believes that such a word does not exist in Russian ...

[McLuha-MacLeod]

If necessary, they will give our lives for our freedom.

I'm just in ah. Afro-Americans will give their lives for some Chukhonets? Yes, they will not give 1 dollar from their salary.

[koksalek]

The slave country is only allowed to stand in the "what you please" position

[1536]

In Estonian, the word Negro, widely accepted in Russian and even pleasant to hear, really sounds like a racist curse. So in the 1960 years, white Americans turned to their black fellow citizens, wanting to express their disdain for them. And even now in the USA, pronouncing this word (in Estonian, for example) can lead to unpredictable consequences.
Therefore, let's wait, see how the American soldiers will kill someone there by "mistake", how they have learned to do it very well in other countries, and what this Estonian chief will say then.

[mamont5]

"Tarien claims that this attitude towards NATO soldiers makes Estonia a rogue state."

Estonian politicians made a rogue country out of Estonia (and this general apparently had a hand) when they called SUCH "allies" into their country.

[Alexander 3]

Indeed, let them take Abama and go to Nigeria.

[Orionvit]

Abama from Kenya. He has a lot of relatives there.

[Vladimir Pozlnyakov]

Yeah! Full jungle and on branches hang, caught on tails!

[ARES623]

Interesting guy! The whole state apparatus to support and cherish the old fascists and young neo-Nazis and hope that these creatures will be controlled? Dreamers! But this is only the beginning. Whoever feeds the cobra will someday be bitten by it. This snake (Nazism) will devour them, necessarily. It is desirable in a faster way.

[Wise Kaa]

Throwing at people standing in front of the hotel or shouting "get out to Nigeria" in a restaurant, you will attack people who defend our independence

He probably wanted to say: "Protect Our colonial independence from a polite neighbor."

[tagir.safin]

Too shy to ask how many planes and helicopters in the Estonian Air Force?

[Barboskin]

There is a drone with a rubber band from cowards on a plastic screw.

[complete zero]

- "there will be no aviation, the pilot is ill"))))

[Roust]

That's right: Let them go! Radishes, Hamburg roosters, Navohudonosy-yy in their ameronigeria !!!)))

[viktor_ui]

"Estonians are proud of their country ..." - SO SO something new. It's kind of like GERMAN KARAPETOVICH - it sounds Proud, but for some reason I WANT TO LITTLE ... PRIDE PROFESSIONALS ... well, how to FORGIVE AND UNDERSTAND? AND ???

[LeftPers]

And is there really anyone on the planet who loves arrogant pin-ups who in any country behave like a drunk in a zoo.

[Barakuda]

Very good QUESTION

[rus-5819]

Tarien claims that such an attitude towards NATO soldiers makes Estonia a rogue state.

He urgently needs to open his eyes: NATO soldiers all over the world (wherever they go)

[Support]

Here two cause laughter - the Balts (from the word to speak?) With their racism and the negroes whom the Balts lowered. Damn, but blacks are definitely not homosexuals? they are very touchy, just like girls. But he laughed heartily ...

[olimpiada15]

In fact, Estonians intuitively understand that
nobody attacks them and they don’t need protection,
therefore, NATO representatives are not perceived not as defenders, but as occupiers.
Such a simple thought before the Commander-in-Chief of Estonia is simply not-do-ho-di-t.

[Warbird # 4]

Quote: Lead

Lovely Estonia, beautiful houses, clean streets, proud passers-by, proud of their country, everything is just like in Germany in the 30s-40s, there isn’t enough smoke from the chimneys of crematoria to complete the blessed picture. Could it be time to politely bring a little mess into the Baltic idyll?

It makes no sense, let's wait a little longer. I have a hope that they will throw off the Baltic states and power

[wadim13]

It is very difficult to fool the subconscious with state propaganda. Here it is for our Estonian brothers and rears up at only one phrase "negro-liberator". The poor fellows have already understood in their hearts that there is something worse than the "Soviet occupiers."

[Orionvit]

Nothing else, more refugees from Europe will receive, as a European integration. Not only blacks will be, but also hot oriental guys. Moreover, NATO sooner or later will be blamed, and these will seriously consider themselves Estonians. By the way, in Ukraine in the cities of blacks is already full. Anecdote to the topic. Khokhlushka walked up a black woman and drove him to the parents' education in the village. He grew up and went to see the capital city of Kiev. Rides in a compartment with an old crest. This one got tired, looked at the black man and asked - Are you a son? He answers -Yak hto. Crest. Old -And I'm Todi hto?

[Warbird # 4]

Quote: viktorrymar

Ahhhh! Who fastened the NATO uniform on journalist and television presenter Anton Zaitsev?

But the choice of image is not bad. Gruuustny such a NATO soldier is perplexed WHY demonstrations do not take root at the Baltic states?

[A1L9E4K9S]

If necessary, they will give our lives for our freedom. And you, the guardian of the fatherland, are ready to give it for the state?


Well, this is unlikely, none of them will give their lives for anything, now everyone has become smart, they will immediately run prisoners.

[Grach710]

Is there an air force there, I didn’t know. Anecdote damn

[Stinger]

Estonians will have to suffer. Have invented the coming aggression on the great Estonia, independent of common sense - bear with it! Protecting yourself from stupidity is not so simple. Only blacks can.

[svu93]

"At the end of August 1942, Estonian Commissar General Litzmann issued an order to create the Estonian SS Legion. The requirements for the volunteers were the same as for the German SS recruits. For their training, the Gaidelager training ground near the town of Debitsa in the General Government (Poland) From the recruits, three battalions were created, later united in the 1st Estonian SS Volunteer Regiment ("1-Estnischen SS Freiwilligen Grenadier Regiment") In March 1942, the 1st Battalion of the legion was included in the 5th SS Viking Division "Under the name" Estonian Volunteer Battalion. Narva. "
In Estonian schools, most likely, history is not taught quite correctly. Therefore, Mr. Colonel does not know what fascism is ... or pretends not to know! Or doesn't notice! In the same way, as the governments of the Baltic countries do not notice torchlight processions and honoring the "veterans" (ugh, not a printed word) of SS units ...

[ivan bogomolov]

With the behavior of these saviors, everyone is in the know, arrogant, untied.

[Demon]

Please note that the "Anton Zaitsev" helmet in the illustration for the article reads "sgt black", that is, "black sergeant". The case when the surname clearly conveys the essence of its owner !!!

[tor978]

Estonians still believe that they are the chosen race "Aryans". And everyone who is not Estonian is subhuman for them. In a word, a fascist country.

[jaguarstas]

What brought up, so proud. Why blush now? Yes, and prepare your girls. Americans love the trained.

[LEVIAFAN]

look, he even has a black helmet in English.

[duschman80-81]

A nightmare !!! Monkeys are offended.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: remkd

Here it is: If necessary, they will give their lives for our freedom.

The question arises - whose life will be given? CANNOT BE to their own!

[V.ic]

Since 1991, Estonia has suddenly become full of "blacks" ... This is how Russian-speaking people who do not have Estonian citizenship (NOT a citizen) were called in everyday life. An attempt to convince the still white fellow citizens ... In a word "necha on the mirror to blame if erysipelas crooked".

[Old officer]

Although I’m not a racist, I’m no less indignant than the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force that the Estonian citizens didn’t kick the NATO coups out of the country by a common vote!

[akudr48]

If necessary, they will give our lives for our freedom.

This is what the author says, Colonel Jaak Tarien about American war heroes who came to defend the freedom of Estonian soldaten through local bars and restaurants.

The proud ests do not know their happiness, even though the number on their head is tesh, n.eg.r.s. they don’t like, they don’t understand that the right granted to them to repair sewers, lay asphalt and look after old people somewhere in England still requires the protection of their small homeland from the most just army in the world from the strongest army of its eastern neighbor.

And you have to pay for protection, because, as you know, Esta and Litas, that the Latvians have only ambition and soul. But, as honest people, they will pay for the services of n.eg.r.g.r.a. female, as usual.

[complete zero]

so the female sex has long been in Europe .. and in Estonia there are only old women)))))

[cergey51046]

I do not like the Commander-in-Chief and the government - it is necessary to change.

[Million]

The liberators must rejoice))))))