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SMERSH in film and in reality

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Recently, quite a few war films have appeared in Russia, featuring enkavedeshniki, Smerzhevists, security officers, special forces, border guards, and other comrades in uniform and without them.


All this fraternity, through the efforts of directors and producers, is engaged, as a rule, in that it creates a lot of problems for our army and for the people who are exhausted in the struggle against the fascists. It is even strange that we were able to defeat the enemy on the battlefield at all — Beria and his assistants hindered us so much.

SMERSH in film and in reality

Uniform of the employee of the Main Directorate of State Security of the NKVD of the USSR. The second half of 1930's

The myth that the war, they say, was won by the people, and not the ruling regime, of which the special services were a stronghold, is strenuously driven into the mind of the average man by means of a simple film language. It was the Red Army (of course, having filled up the fascists with corpses) that defended Moscow and took Berlin. And all sorts of security officers and special persons at best did nothing, and at worst - put sticks into the wheels.

Meanwhile, the artificial opposition of the people and the government, the army and the special services loses all meaning as soon as you begin to study more closely history of war. Interesting facts are being found that are obstinately ignored by modern cinema. For example, such. In the very first days of the war in Moscow, the formation of a separate special-purpose brigade, later deployed to the division, began at the Dynamo Stadium.

The task of this unit is the organization of sabotage behind enemy lines. The personnel of the brigade consisted exclusively of employees of the internal affairs bodies, as well as members of the Dynamo sports society. In addition to raids on the enemy’s rear, brigade fighters participated in military operations on the fronts, especially during the defense of Moscow.


Shot from the movie "Scum". According to the filmmakers, during the war, the NKVD employees were engaged in throwing adolescents into the German rear, condemning them to certain death.

Few people know, for example, that the advanced group of Germans, which broke through on October 16 to the bridge over the railway in Khimki, destroyed tank company of the Dzerzhinsky internal forces division under the command of senior lieutenant Nikolai Strebko. Now at the site of this battle, without exaggeration, who decided the fate of Moscow, there is a memorial complex in the form of anti-tank hedgehogs. By the way, the contribution of Dzerzhins to the victory near Moscow is not limited to participation in hostilities.

In the engineering service of one of the regiments of the division, a recipe for the manufacture of a combustible mixture, later called the Molotov cocktail, was invented. The recipe was so cheap and effective that the know-how instantly scattered across all fronts and was actively used not only in the battle of Moscow, but also in other battles of the Great Patriotic War.

From the very first days of the war, partisan detachments began to be created in the territory occupied by the Germans. At first, almost all of them consisted of personnel officers from the NKVD, who were specially left behind enemy lines for these purposes. Then, by 1943, the partisan movement became truly widespread: people understood that nothing good could be expected from the German “new order”, and entire villages began to go into the forests to partisans. And in the first months of the war, when a significant part of the population still harbored some illusions about the Germans, the guerrilla movement consisted mainly of Chekists and policemen. So far from all the NKVD employees, contrary to popular opinion, were fixed in special departments and received an additional ration, many also risked their lives in the rear of the Germans.


A shot from the movie "Shtrafbat." According to the filmmakers, during the war, the NKVD officers were exclusively engaged in sitting in barrage detachments and shooting at their

Finally, the only ones who met the enemy of 22 on June 1941 of the year by organized resistance were the border troops of the NKVD of the USSR. Almost all the outposts delayed the onset of enemy columns for several hours, or even days. The famous Russian writer Ivan Shevtsov, the author of many sensational novels and short stories, served in the summer of 1941 on the Romanian border. His outpost for seven days (!) Hindered the attacks of the Nazis. And this is despite the fact that, in contrast to the regular units of the Red Army, the border guards were armed only with light rifle troops. weapons.

However, most border outposts managed to organize decent resistance to a numerically superior enemy, while the majority of army units, by contrast, showed absolute unpreparedness for effective hostilities.

The same Ivan Shevtsov, for example, recalls that the 22 of June commanders of rifle formations stationed near his outpost were completely at a loss and stupidly awaited orders from above. Shevtsov, then a very young lieutenant of the NKVD, had to take command and direct the actions not only of his outpost, but also of the whole infantry battalion with an artillery battery. And only when the front rolled back far to the east, an order came: leave the positions and retreat. A few more days Shevtsov and colleagues made their way to their own. All those who managed to escape from this hell were again asked to go to the front and then they fought well as part of various units and formations of the internal troops of the NKVD of the USSR.

For some reason, these and many other facts of real history are stubbornly ignored by those who are slapping one after the other war films. As a result, an employee of state security or internal affairs bodies appears on the screen only in the guise of such a beater, for whom the only consolation in life is to shoot as many compatriots as possible. And this stamp wanders from one film to another, without being subjected even to elementary correction. Cinema generally consists of clichés and conventions, but in the case of security officers and special agents, this goes beyond the limits of common sense.

Well, okay, modern directors do not like the fact that the NKVD officers also fought, and not just shot their fighters in the back of the head. Such is the active citizenship of modern directors, for which they probably pay well. However, it is necessary to observe at least the external similarity with the realities of that time: this, as they say, is the immutable law of the genre. Meanwhile on the screen now reigns complete chaos. Each filmmaker obviously thinks he is a genius and considers it beneath his dignity to know the form of clothes, insignia, military ranks and similar “trifles”.

And now another masterpiece called “Cadets” is born. The plot of the TV movie is this: young lieutenants are trained in one of the rear military schools. They cook, naturally, somehow, hastily, feed half-starving, but local special people, as usual, are chewing, almost chewing black caviar from cans and cheating unhappy cadets regularly. It happens in the winter of the year 1943. On the cadets buttonholes, on their commanders too, the evil special people also flaunt in brand new jackets with cubes in buttonholes. And now the training is over, freshly baked lieutenants are sent to the front. The form on them is still the same: buttonhole, only now they are lieutenant "Kubari".


Senior Lieutenant Ivan Shevtsov. His outpost in the summer of 1941 for a whole week delayed the German offensive

Did the authors of this wonderful film never even have the idea to ask: when did the epaulettes appear in our army? And they appeared in January 1943: first, a decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR of January 6 was issued, and then, on January 15, an order of the Supreme Commander, that is, Comrade Stalin. In accordance with these documents, the personnel of the army, fleet and power structures were ordered to change into a new uniform until February 15, 1943. And only the heroes of the "Cadets", even those who are sent to the army, for some reason flaunt without shoulder straps, ignoring the order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR.

Here is another example of disregard for historical realities. Recently, Channel One showed a tele-epic "House of Exemplary Content." The action of some of the film series takes place during the Great Patriotic War. Of course, in addition to the positive heroes - some metropolitan intellectuals - there are also heroes in the film, to put it mildly, questionable, for example, employees of the internal affairs bodies. So, the agency in which these people serve, the authors of the film persistently call the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

In any textbook of the modern history of the Russian language it is written that during the years of the Great Patriotic War there was no Ministry of Internal Affairs, because there were no ministries at all. Instead, with the 1917, there were people's commissariats - abbreviated commissariats. And only in the 1946 year, that is, after the war, did Stalin revive the ministries, and the department in which the film characters served were called the Ministry of the Interior, or the Interior Ministry.
Now with regard to military ranks. Here, modern screen geniuses do not bother themselves with anything at all: what came into their head is what they think is true. And therefore, very often, the officers of the Soviet special services are called commissars for them, and the German ones are sturmbanführer. Meanwhile, the NKVD system had its own special ranks, which did not always coincide with the army.

There were ten of them in total: state security sergeant, junior lieutenant r \ b, lieutenant r \ b, senior lieutenant r \ b, captain r \ b, major r \ b, senior major r \ b, state security commissioner 3 rank, state security commissioner 2 rank and commissioner of state security 1 rank. Finally, they have come up with a special title for the highest leaders: the General Commissioner of State Security. The commissar General Commissar wore only three people at different times: Heinrich Yagoda, Nikolai Yezhov, and Lavrenti Beria.

Note that we are talking only about the state security organs, which from 1934 to 1941 were part of the NKVD for a year. Border guards, policemen, firemen, military personnel of the internal troops, GULAG employees, who were also part of the NKVD, had, however, the same ranks as in the Red Army. The Navy traditionally had its own rank system. In addition, there were special ranks for military medics, military lawyers, military engineers, and in addition, in the system of political bodies and quartermaster services of the Red Army.

All this rather motley picture was preserved until about the autumn of the 1942 year, after which a unified system of military ranks was gradually introduced into the army and security agencies. From then on, security officers with special guards became known not as senior majors or state security commissioners of various ranks, but simply majors, colonels, or generals.

At the same time, the word forgotten “officer” returned to use. Until that moment, we recall, the officers called only the personnel officers of the General Staff of the Red Army. All the other commanders, both in the army and in the special services, were called commanders - the word “officer” in 1920 – 1930-s was perceived by a devout Soviet man as a curse word.

Now about the signs of distinction. The sergeants of the state security wore a triangle in buttonholes, lieutenants and captains - “Kubari”, majors - “sleepers”, commissars - rhombuses and stars. In addition, only for the staff of the Main State Security Directorate of the NKVD there were sleeve insignia: for sergeants - two truncated red triangles, for junior lieutenants - three same triangles, for lieutenants - one silver stitched silver star, for starley - two stars, for captains - three, for the majors - one star embroidered with gold, for the senior major - two such stars, for the Commissioner of the 3 rank - three, for the Commissioner of the 2 rank - four, and for the Commissioner of the 1 rank - also four, but arranged about neither was one star above. Stripes worn on both sleeves. And on the left - also a sign of a special sample: "The shield and the sword." All this was clearly spelled out in the departmental instruction of the model 1935 of the year.

Naturally, it’s not enough for modern masters of the screen to delve into all these subtleties: the main thing for them is to cut the budget of the film so that there is less money left for shooting and more in your pocket. At this point, one involuntarily has to save on everything, including expert consultants. In the Soviet years, even the living classics of cinema did not disdain to consult with professional historians. The creators of the immortal film about Stirlitz, for example, were advised by a whole team of military historians with a rank not lower than Colonel.

Modern filmmakers do not dream about it in a dream. Therefore, films about war often turn out in the fantasy genre ...
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  1. Hubun
    Hubun 31 October 2015 06: 44 New
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    generally blunders in modern war films are incredibly enraging. How can one give a damn about history. You watch Soviet films not one without a military consultant.
    1. Magic archer
      Magic archer 31 October 2015 07: 05 New
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      Because they are shot according to Hollywood templates. The main thing is a spectacular picture and beautiful actors, but for a long time they have not paid attention to such trifles as uniforms or weapons. You can take any modern film about the war and if you take a closer look, you can see so many blunders, Mama Do not Cry request
      1. beitar
        beitar 31 October 2015 07: 40 New
        -25
        ... The first disc
        Hit the tank in the forehead,
        Mechanic driver
        I drove right into the coffin.

        Chorus:

        Love, brothers, love,
        Lubo, brothers, live,
        You don’t have to push in the tank brigade!

        From the second disc
        Armor burst
        Small fragments
        It hurt me.

        Chorus.

        Third disc
        Got into the gas tank.
        I got out of the tank
        Yes, I don’t know how.

        Chorus.

        The next morning they call
        Me to the Special Department:
        - What are you, dog,
        Did you burn out with the tank?

        Chorus.

        - Comrades bosses, -
        I tell them -
        In the next attack
        Be sure to burn!

        Chorus.

        And the next morning the word
        I kept my own:
        At the edge of the forest
        Along with the tank burned out.

        (folk song of the times of the war to the tune "Lubo")
        1. Eugene
          Eugene 31 October 2015 08: 52 New
          +4
          I don’t understand why the minuses !? Somehow in a second-hand bookstore I held in my hands the book "Folklore of the Great Patriotic War" ... And I regretted the ruble .. But I looked through it. There was a lot of this. And the circulation of 1000 copies! 30 years have passed, and I I still regret my greed ...
          1. beitar
            beitar 31 October 2015 10: 22 New
            -25
            Well, what are the cons? Firstly, for the flag. Secondly, the folk song is not admired by the valiant Chekists and the great comrade Stalin. Any of these reasons is enough for uraidiots to minus
            1. Nicholas C.
              Nicholas C. 31 October 2015 10: 37 New
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              Not only about the NKVD, practically in ALL modern films about the Soviet, I think that about the tsar’s, there are no time:
              1. adequate (I do not say the exact) representation of the historical situation (the clothes themselves, manner of wearing, way of life, conversation, etc.);
              2. logic in the plot (contradictions are striking; the impression that the scripts are written by meaningless lovers, even if the credits are different); (talking about the historical correspondence of the plots is not necessary at all);
              3. psychological motivation for the behavior of "heroes" (normal people do not behave like that, then even more so);
              4. and much more.
              And this is at best, and often happens, when authors, for reasons of shocking or even service of enemy propaganda obviously specially crap in our souls.

              Right now, on the 1st channel, the "Executioner" series, lying on fictions, about the regular executioner RON Antonina Ginzburg (Makarova (Parfyonova)). How many lies about this RONA. Even the author of VO Volodin noted especially with a pearl that RONA was created by "active residents of the area." Although Khokhol Voskoboinik and Volksdeutsch Kaminsky were directly pre-war settlers. The execution cases were sewn by the head of the military-investigative commission, the former Makhnovist Pratsyuk. (We couldn't have had such locals then). But it was not possible to force anyone to become an executioner (neither mobilized 16-year-old policemen, nor "volunteers", including from prisoner of war camps). Only a 19-year-old village girl-sanitary-instructor, underdeveloped from a large family, who was caught out of the encirclement from the Vyazma cauldron, succeeded. They lowered it, got it drunk and off we went. Looting. I managed to avoid retaliation, because, apparently "for merit", before the arrival of our troops was sent to a German hospital for the treatment of syphilis. After the war, she already appears as the wife of the front-line soldier Ginzburg. Moreover, these were front-line soldiers that she went to school, etc. went and talked about her front-line exploits. When the KGB approached her, not wanting to cast a shadow on possibly respected people, without publicity brought the witnesses of Tonka the executioner to Lepel (at their place of residence) for identification. And when they were sure for sure, they arrested. Professional work. KGBists in the movies behave like fools, and this ordinary Judas, bastard and whore is presented as a super-hero. Such creatures on the 1st channel. And about real heroes, of whom there are a lot, and about whom there is no need to invent stories, facts in abundance, how many films are being shot now?
              1. MrK
                MrK 2 November 2015 12: 06 New
                +5
                Let's compare that over the last 15 years, it was shot about the Great Patriotic War in the USA and in Russia. To begin with, we list American films.
                1998 year. "Save Private Ryan." The film is patriotic to the bone. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                1998 year. "Thin red line." Americans depicted as heroes.
                2001 year. The series "Brothers in Arms". Shows the combat path of the 5th company of the 101th US airborne division. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                2002 year. Talking to the Wind. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                2006 year. "Flags of our fathers." Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                2010 year. "Pacific Theater". Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                2012 year. The Red Tails. The story of an American fighter squadron in which black American pilots fight. Not the friendship of nations, but its beginning. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                2014 year. "Fury." Feature film about the crew of the Sherman tank in Germany in the last month of World War II in Europe. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
                2014 year. Unbroken. Americans are portrayed as heroes.

                But what was filmed in Russia at the same time:
                2004 year. The series "Shtrafbat". Soviet soldiers are depicted as cattle.
                2005 year. "The last battle of Major Pugachev." Soviet people are depicted as cattle.
                2006 year. "Bastards." Soviet people are depicted as cattle.
                2011 year. “Burnt by the Sun-2. Citadel". In two parts. Fighters of the Red Army are shown by a crowd of cattle, commanders and political workers - villains, freaks and alcoholics.
                2012 year. "4 days in May." A fictional episode about the attempted mass rape by Russian soldiers of the inhabitants of a German shelter for the blind in May 1945. Soviet soldiers are depicted as cattle.
                2012 year. "Match". The film is artistic. Filmed for the 70 anniversary of the "death match" in Kiev. Soviet people are depicted as cattle.
                But on this rabid anti-Russian propaganda did not stop.
                I will quote fragments of the discussion of the series shown on the main TV channel of Russia - ORT in 2015: “Finished showing a film about Orlova and Alexandrov. In the series, Stalin and Beria look like two Kremlin sadist-villains, two maniacs who only think: how to shoot someone else, poison or concoct a business. And both, of course, pester Orlova. This is what idiots we need to consider us spectators to believe in such nonsense!».
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              1. beitar
                beitar 31 October 2015 11: 00 New
                +1
                For me, Shimon Peres is about the same as Gorbachev for you. Israeli secret services did not destroy their own population, unlike the NKVD. And my unloved Shimon Peres did not destroy his people, like your beloved comrade Stalin.
                I hope the moderators will pay attention to your insults on a national basis
                1. neri73-r
                  neri73-r 31 October 2015 16: 31 New
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                  Israeli secret services did not destroy their own population, unlike the NKVD.


                  Did you read about the NKVD on the wiki? And how many destroyed ??? Suggest? I’m not proud, tell me, in the period from 1920 to 1953 about 800 people were shot! hi This number includes criminals, pay attention to this period includes two wars - the civil war and the Great Patriotic War !!! So yours do not dance, especially about the millions of executed, as liberal pseudo-intelligentsia likes to say!

                  Well, you can read the Palestinians and Arabs living in Israel and killed by your special services from Israel Shamir, if you were not told about this at school!
                  1. forwarder
                    forwarder 31 October 2015 18: 44 New
                    -12
                    Quote: neri73-r
                    I’m not proud, tell me, in the period from 1920 to 1953 about 800 people were shot!

                    For a start, you're lying. According to the official certificate of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs (document No.100) of 11.12.1953. between the beginning of 1921 and the first half of 1953 inclusively, in the USSR only 862983 people were executed by conviction. And also 235637 people since the beginning of 1937. (there are no statistics until this year) formally received according to 25 years of the Gulag. I hope you do not need to tell what 25 years without correspondence mean?
                    Quote: neri73-r
                    This number includes criminals, pay attention to this period includes two wars - the civil war and the Great Patriotic War !!!

                    And here you lie. Because of this number, 745220 people (86%) were shot in 1937-38. For 2 years from 32,5 years displayed in the certificate. So, with criminals, wars and other crap, by.
                    1. neri73-r
                      neri73-r 31 October 2015 19: 17 New
                      +6
                      I don’t lie in the main - there are no millions of people executed, as the Liberalism likes to scream!

                      here is the link to the document
                      http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1009312
                      1. Saburov
                        Saburov 1 November 2015 04: 38 New
                        +4
                        Never cite the example of Yakovlev the traitor, one of the main ideologists of perestroika, who said that it was time to end the Soviet system, from his words ... The Soviet totalitarian regime could be destroyed only through the publicity and totalitarian discipline of the party, while hiding under the interests of improving socialism. Looking back, I can proudly say that the ingenious, but very simple tactics - the mechanisms of totalitarianism against the totalitarian system - worked ... For the good of things, I had to retreat and dissemble. I myself am sinful - I have been cunning more than once. He spoke about the “renewal of socialism”, but he knew what was going on ... There are no documents on his website, there are only tables printed by unknown people and when (the paper will endure everything) the document must have a signature, a seal and an archive register.
                      2. forwarder
                        forwarder 1 November 2015 08: 58 New
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                        Quote: Saburov
                        There are no documents on his site, there are only tables printed by unknown people and when (the paper will endure everything) the document must have a signature, a seal and an archive register.

                        So what are you getting lost, neostalinist? If there is one lie, file a complaint about blocking his site. Now it’s easy. For providing knowingly false information. And then let him prove that he is not a camel.
                        If this were so, this site would have been blocked for a long time. And if it is not blocked, then you have nothing to cover, the data is correct.
                        And you can not upload your "documents". Any schoolchild will make a dozen of such flicks for you in 1 evening.
                      3. Saburov
                        Saburov 1 November 2015 16: 55 New
                        +4
                        Quote: forwarder
                        So what are you getting lost, neostalinist? If there is one lie, file a complaint about blocking his site. Now it’s easy. For providing knowingly false information. And then let him prove that he is not a camel.
                        If this were so, this site would have been blocked for a long time. And if it is not blocked, then you have nothing to cover, the data is correct.
                        And you can not upload your "documents". Any schoolchild will make a dozen of such flicks for you in 1 evening.

                        Firstly, I’m not a Stalinist, I just did a good job of subject history, unlike you. Secondly, you blurted out such utter nonsense, according to your criteria, it means that the site of unofficial organizations .. if it’s open, then it’s true, you would have to .. but they gave out the site as truth. And thirdly, well, deceive me a document, in accordance with the three controlling authorities in the Archive, it is enough to make a request for example here http://www.statearchive.ru/ or here http: //www.vvmvd. com / structure / central-arhiv / in order to instantly open a fake, it will be very interesting for me to look at this. So stop bothering, please submit documents or at least some reasonable explanations.
                2. Saburov
                  Saburov 1 November 2015 04: 34 New
                  +8
                  Quote: forwarder
                  For a start, you're lying. According to the official certificate of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs (document No.100) of 11.12.1953. between the beginning of 1921 and the first half of 1953 inclusively, in the USSR only 862983 people were executed by conviction. And also 235637 people since the beginning of 1937. (there are no statistics until this year) formally received according to 25 years of the Gulag. I hope you do not need to tell what 25 years without correspondence mean?


                  Let’s you not carry the blizzard, grind this nonsense to your friends who, like you, believe in fairy tales such as a la Svanidze ... There is one single document that sheds light on the alleged repression during the reign of Stalin (declassified in 1993 year) a memo to Khrushchev from The Ministry of Internal Affairs (I present to you a document so that you are not in doubt) how you see the numbers are much different from what they hung on your ears. In general, this is a favorite feature of liberals, piz..t without evidence and arguments. By the way, I remember your statements.
                  Quote: forwarder
                  Of the total number of convicted 3.628.683 people were sent to the Gulag. Those. into slavery, to hard labor, if you call a spade a spade.
                  Let it be known to you that under the Constitution, slavery and exploitation were prohibited in the USSR, so workers were provided with wages. About 100-200rub to 1941 year with the ability to transfer money to relatives. As for the work, the working day was ten hours.
                  PS Most likely you are a conscious provocateur, you have not submitted more than one document (with a seal, signature and archive register) you are so fooled by the details (was it really too lazy to look into the Constitution of the USSR?) That you can be caught for lies in almost every sentence ... shredded now provocateur.
                  1. forwarder
                    forwarder 1 November 2015 08: 49 New
                    -10
                    Quote: Saburov
                    There is one single document that sheds light on the alleged repression during the reign of Stalin (declassified in 1993) a memo to Khrushchev from the Ministry of Internal Affairs

                    So read this document.
                    http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1009312
                    Quote: Saburov
                    Let it be known to you that under the Constitution in the USSR slavery and exploitation were prohibited,

                    In this match and free elections should have been held. Her ass could be wiped. There was still no toilet paper. For these purposes, and printed.
                    Quote: Saburov
                    therefore, workers were provided with wages

                    Of course. The rates were just such that the labor was slave. Free. And without this, the USSR would not have survived. As soon as Khrushchev abolished slavery, the USSR ended. He floundered a little more on the accumulated resources, and then grunted. From hunger.
                    Quote: Saburov
                    About 100-200 rubles until 1941 with the ability to transfer money to relatives. As for the work, the working day was ten hours.

                    Non-Stalinists will soon present the Gulag as a sanatorium with improved nutrition. But it won’t work out. There are documents. There are memories of the sitters. There are verdicts of vessels already seated in the Gulag.
                    Just amazing BDSM. They were poisoned out like cockroaches with dichlorvos, and they shout "we still want". Have you tried to see a doctor?
                    Quote: Saburov
                    was it really too lazy to look into the Constitution of the USSR

                    Where else? In the ass neighbor? In a trash can? Everywhere there is about one level of information about the Soviet state system.
                  2. Saburov
                    Saburov 1 November 2015 16: 38 New
                    +7
                    Quote: forwarder
                    So read this document.
                    http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1009312

                    You recently tried to pass off as the truth the site of this old senile, who concentrated around himself the nomenclature and near-nomenclature party thieves, Yakovlev the traitor, one of the main ideologists of perestroika, who said that it was time to end the Soviet system, from his words ... Soviet totalitarian regime it was possible to destroy only through the glasnost and totalitarian discipline of the party, hiding behind the interests of perfecting socialism. Looking back, I can proudly say that the cunning, but very simple tactics - the mechanisms of totalitarianism against the system of totalitarianism - it worked ... For the good of things, I had to retreat and dissemble. I myself am sinful - I have been cunning more than once. He spoke about the “renewal of socialism”, but he knew what was going on ... There is NO ONE DOCUMENT on his website, there are only TABLES printed by no one knows and when (the paper will endure everything) THE DOCUMENT OR ITS COPY MUST BE PRINTED, PRINTED, SIGNATURE AND ARCHIVE REGISTER.
                    Quote: forwarder
                    In this match and free elections should have been held. Her ass could be wiped. There was still no toilet paper. For these purposes, and printed.

                    Your asses were testing your brains when this nonsense was driven into your head and you believed it, just compare the Criminal Code and the Administrative Code of the RSFSR, working and resting conditions and Civil Law with the Constitution of the USSR to poke you into the facts. And the most interesting is why almost all of our dissidents remained alive and well? And some were even allowed to go abroad, or there were those who did not have a single disciplinary sanction for the whole time of their imprisonment (we recall the sufferer-scribbler SOLZHENITSyna), which indicates that he is either Sec. Cell or a camp snitch, who, by the way, passed his friends and his ex-wife Reshetovskaya. If it weren’t for the Constitution of the USSR, they would have let everyone out as ideological first.
                  3. Saburov
                    Saburov 1 November 2015 16: 39 New
                    +7
                    Quote: forwarder
                    Of course. The rates were just such that the labor was slave. Free. And without this, the USSR would not have survived. As soon as Khrushchev abolished slavery, the USSR ended. He floundered a little more on the accumulated resources, and then grunted. From hunger.

                    (The ball you dunce) Prices and salaries of the CSB of the USSR.
                    Name of products and goods, prices in Stalin rubles 1947-1953
                    White bread and bakery products (1 kg) ... 5, 5 rub. / 3 RUB
                    Black bread ... 3 rub. / 1 RUB Meat (beef) ... 30 rub. / 12, 5 rub.
                    Fish (zander) ... 12 rub. / 7, 1 rub.
                    Milk (1 L) ... 3 rub. / 2, 24 rub.
                    Butter ... 64 rub. / 27, 8 rub.
                    Eggs (ten) ... 12 rub. / 8, 35 rub.
                    Refined sugar ... 15 rub. / 9, 4 rub.
                    Vegetable oil ... 30 rub. / 17 RUB
                    Vodka ... 60 rub. / 22, 8 rub.
                    Beer (0, 6 L) ... 5 rub. / 2, 96 rub.
                    Bank of crabs ... 20 rub. / 4, 3 rub.
                    The car "Victory" ... - / 16000 rub.
                    The Moskvich car ... - / 9000 rub.
                    Shoes (a pair, on average) ... 260 rub. / 188, 5 rub.
                    Chintz (1 m) ... 10, 1 rub. / 6, 1 rub.
                    Woolen fabric (1 m) ... 269 rub. / 113 RUB
                    Natural silk ... 137 rub. / 100 RUB
                    COST OF FOOD BASKET IN MONTH ... 1130 rub. / 510 RUB
                    The workers' wages in 1953 varied from 800 to 3000 and higher than rubles, which indicates the absence of equalization at that time.
                    Miners and metallurgists-Stakhanovites received at that time up to 8000 rubles. per month.
                    The salary of a young specialist engineer was 900 - 1000 rubles, senior engineer - 1200-1300 rubles.
                    The secretary of the CPSU district committee received 1500 rubles per month.
                    The salary of the Union Minister did not exceed 5000 rubles, the salaries of professors and academics were higher, often exceeding 10000 rubles.
                    Compared to 1913, real incomes of workers increased by 4 times, and taking into account the elimination of unemployment and a shorter working day — by 5 times.
                    Quote: forwarder
                    the Stalinists will soon be the Gulag to present as a sanatorium with improved nutrition. But it won’t work out. There are documents. There are memories of the sitters. There are court sentences already seated in the Gulag.
                    Just amazing BDSM. They were poisoned out like cockroaches with dichlorvos, and they shout "we still want". Have you tried to see a doctor?

                    I just do not belong to the Stalinists. Present at least one document? (Similar to a Report to Khrushchev). Memoirs of prisoners cannot be true (piz..t can anyone), you read less camp tales from our dissidents and the liberal dumb ... oh public. As one of my relatives who wound 25 of the total term for burglary said sat at business. Better and more precisely the State. Archive there is nothing.
                    Quote: forwarder
                    Where else? In the ass neighbor? In a trash can? Everywhere there is about one level of information about the Soviet state system.

                    Judging by the answer, it was there that you heard a lot of tales about 40-60 millions of repressed.
                    PS A man does not believe in anything so sacred, of which he knows the least.
                  4. forwarder
                    forwarder 1 November 2015 17: 03 New
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                    It is useless to argue with the Stalinist. He does not see anything, and does not want to see anything. He wants to own. Let only the fate of the groom with the seediest collective farm stables. It does not matter. It is important that this, as a rule, petty and vicious little man at such moments seems to himself a giant. The arbiter of fate.
                    And no matter what he looks like the last. And it doesn’t matter that he hasn’t changed his pants and socks for a long time, which is immediately guessed by the characteristic amber. He is a giant. And for such sweet minutes of rapture in power, this insignificance will break the throat of anyone. Like an addict for a dose of drugs. Actually such an uncontrolled power, this is a drug. A Stalinist, this is a banal sick drug addict.
                    And "Stalinist socialism" is an ordinary slave-owning society with beautiful slogans. Well, slave owners, even small ones, want to own slaves, well, what can you do here? Moreover, the "interesting idea" that they themselves can be among the slaves somehow does not occur to them. Strange and not to say that they are prudent people.
                    Be treated. It may be cured of this addiction.
                  5. Saburov
                    Saburov 1 November 2015 17: 15 New
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                    Why are you crying like a kissel young lady when you are poked like a puppy face into the facts? Learn and read less non-scientific literature. Everything is clear with you, no documents, no intelligible evidence, links to delusional sites and other things. But the most interesting is that all our liberal balabolas always come across in details, facts, nuances and elements of specificity, apparently from the same mental development, so especially gifted among the underdeveloped , so young man, all this is from an inferiority complex. And as always, comrade forwarder deleted all his ridiculous comments because of the absurdity and when he was pressed. Predictably.
                  6. saber
                    saber 2 November 2015 09: 32 New
                    +3
                    with a Stalinist, as well as with an erudite person, to argue about what you don’t understand in any ear or snout is not only useless in your case, but also shows all your miserable nature of a failure
                  7. forwarder
                    forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 27 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Saber
                    but also shows all your miserable nature of a loser

                    Yes? And somehow I feel quite comfortable like that. Thank you for setting the right path. And I thought, losers, they are different. More like you. Wrong, it turns out.
                    Losers, these are whiners like you. Who whine all the way that everything is wrong for them, the country is bad, and there is a triple in hand. And the right uncle should come, who will shoot the bad. Right at the hands of losers like you.
          2. MrK
            MrK 2 November 2015 11: 26 New
            +7
            Quote: forwarder
            So read this document.
            http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/fond/issues-doc/1009312


            And how did the rehabilitation go in the 90-2000 years? The chairman of this “commission” was the famous bastard Alexander Yakovlev, deputy. Gorbachev's ideology. In general, appointing Yakovlev to such a position is even cleaner than appointing Goebbels the president of the Nuremberg Tribunal, and Judas Iscariot the protector of Christ in court.
            But even this Yakovlev commission established that the prosecution authorities of the Russian Federation from 1992 to 2004. 978 891 application was examined, of which 388 412 were satisfied, 636 335 cases were verified against 901 127 people and 634 165 people were rehabilitated.
            But LESS THAN 330 THOUSAND PEOPLE ARE VICTIMED BY POLITICAL REPRESSIONS. Excuse me, WHERE ARE “TENS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLION VICTIMS OF BLOOD STALIN” ?! After all, this was the main motive for the destruction of the "criminal" Stalinist and Soviet systems. "
            You still bring figures Sozhenitsyn.
          3. forwarder
            forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 56 New
            -3
            Quote: mrark
            But LESS THAN 330 THOUSAND PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZED IN POLITICAL REPRESSION.

            Don't you know that many "confessed"? And such rehabilitation from the communists did not shine.
            Quote: mrark
            Excuse me, WHERE ARE “TENS AND HUNDREDS OF MILLION VICTIMS OF BLOOD STALIN” ?!

            In the torture chambers of the NKVD. Everyone stayed there. After signing the "confessions".
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    2. MrK
      MrK 2 November 2015 11: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: forwarder
      between the beginning of 1921 and the first half of 1953 inclusively, in the USSR only 862983 people were executed by conviction. And also 235637 people since the beginning of 1937.


      Respected. so these 235637 are included in 862983 or not. No need to hide behind a hysterical figure. Of these, executed, almost half are ordinary criminals. And if you want to know the truth, then read the late Zemskov. But not Yakovlev.
      I give a link. Victor Zemskov. Political repressions in the USSR (1917 — 1990)
      http://actualhistory.ru/2008060101
      1. forwarder
        forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 52 New
        -2
        Quote: mrark
        Of these, executed, almost half are ordinary criminals.

        Of course, all enemies of the Soviets were criminals. This is clear.
        Quote: mrark
        I give a link. Victor Zemskov.

        You read such scribbles. For people like you. Smart people do not need this, except to neighing over the wretched Stalinist. To which all do not care, even OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    3. Laur balaur
      Laur balaur 29 May 2017 09: 49 New
      0
      Another linden!
  • c3r
    c3r 31 October 2015 19: 34 New
    12
    The Soviet people, in which the Jews were not less than heroic, defeated German fascism, which destroyed Jews as well (remember the Holocaust), and this victory was forged by all wars, including security officials! Therefore, be thankful that I am grateful to Soviet people of Jewish nationality who defeated together with Soviet people of other nationalities under the wise guidance of Comrade Stalin the worst enemy in the history of Russia and the whole world! I honestly do not know who freed the Mossad except bending into the ram’s horn of Arabs! I personally answered you, and not the whole Jewish people, for your language and for the uraidiots. Before screaming about nationalism, analyze your words and phrases! hi
  • zenion
    zenion 31 October 2015 21: 14 New
    -9
    Are you sure about this? 100%, or, Ulai Yooter mi 120% ?!
    1. c3r
      c3r 31 October 2015 23: 52 New
      +8
      I prefer the word convinced. But I do not know Hebrew, because part 2 of the question is not clear. And by the way, I didn’t drink vodka on the brudenshaft, so please and in Russian!
  • Alf
    Alf 31 October 2015 23: 09 New
    +2
    Quote: beitar
    I hope the moderators will pay attention to your insults on a national basis

    I hope the moderators pay attention to YOUR insults.
    to uraidiot minus
  • free
    free 31 October 2015 18: 09 New
    +1
    Yes sir!!!
  • iv-nord
    iv-nord 31 October 2015 11: 50 New
    +1
    You won’t throw words out of a song. From the popular, times of the terrible war.
    1. washi
      washi 31 October 2015 14: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: iv-nord
      You won’t throw words out of a song. From the popular, times of the terrible war.

      Are you sure this is a folk song?
      Here already in the comments was that it was on the motive of "Lube".
      By the way, the so-called Cossack songs were created during the Soviet era by Soviet composers.
      It is hard to call the same Rosenbaum a Cossack.
      1. beitar
        beitar 31 October 2015 15: 59 New
        +3
        Not on the motive of lube, but on the motive "love, brothers, live, you don't have to grieve with our chieftain"
        1. zenion
          zenion 31 October 2015 21: 17 New
          -1
          "Lubo Brothers Live" was created in the Kuban during the Civil War. And, of course, this could be sung by the same Cossacks who fought against Soviet power.
          1. alexej123
            alexej123 1 November 2015 01: 51 New
            +5
            And the Cossacks fought for Soviet power too.
            1. forwarder
              forwarder 1 November 2015 02: 04 New
              -12
              Quote: alexej123
              And the Cossacks fought for Soviet power too.

              In Russia, the Cossacks were a privileged nation. Maybe some geeks from among them fought for Soviet power. But mostly the Cossacks fought against her. And there was a reason. Therefore, then they either fled abroad, or were destroyed. Now there are practically no real Cossacks. Destroyed by Soviet power. Maybe someone else stayed. But this is no longer the people.
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          2. saber
            saber 2 November 2015 09: 35 New
            -1
            So they did not fight against the Soviet regime, but for privileges. that's why they lost. The chosen people can only live in the desert
          3. forwarder
            forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 33 New
            -2
            Quote: Saber
            So they did not fight against Soviet power, but for privileges

            And who took these privileges from them? Not the Soviets? It.
        2. MrK
          MrK 2 November 2015 11: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: forwarder
          Now there are practically no real Cossacks. Destroyed by Soviet power.


          Yeah. And in the first cavalry army, Germans and Poles dressed as Cossacks fought in the civilian side on the side of the Bolsheviks.

          And in the Great Patriotic War in six Cossack cavalry corps fought and at the Victory Parade went Chinese dressed as Cossacks.

          Colleagues. Do not argue with this exam. He didn’t read the Great Sholokhov.
          This is an ordinary troll.
        3. forwarder
          forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: mrark
          Yeah. And in the first cavalry army, Germans and Poles dressed as Cossacks fought in the civilian side on the side of the Bolsheviks.

          Quote: mrark
          And in the Great Patriotic War in six Cossack cavalry corps fought and at the Victory Parade went Chinese dressed as Cossacks.

          Quote: mrark
          Respected. so these 235637 are included in 862983 or not.

          What, problems with reading comprehension? Can't concentrate? Drink the medicine. They say it helps.
      2. Kombrig
        Kombrig 2 November 2015 22: 52 New
        0
        Cossacks, not a nation, but a service class ....
      3. forwarder
        forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Kombrig
        Cossacks, not a nation, but a service class ....

        In general, yes. But this estate consisted of separate nationalities. Don Cossacks. Kuban. These were all completely independent nationalities.
    2. alexej123
      alexej123 20 November 2015 11: 04 New
      0
      Late to answer, did not see. As for the geeks - if my grandfather is a "geek", who was in a concentration camp for 3 years, escaped from it, was awarded the medal "For Courage", awarded the Order of the Badge of Honor for post-war labor, then you are an ordinary SCUM.
    3. alexej123
      alexej123 20 November 2015 11: 04 New
      0
      Late to answer, did not see. As for the geeks - if my grandfather is a "geek", who was in a concentration camp for 3 years, escaped from it, was awarded the medal "For Courage", awarded the Order of the Badge of Honor for post-war labor, then you are an ordinary SCUM.
  • cheega69
    cheega69 31 October 2015 12: 01 New
    +4
    Man, who cares about the flag? But with the second - I agree, alas. Although the total defamation of organs is a betrayal.
    1. zenion
      zenion 31 October 2015 21: 23 New
      +4
      If you read the comments on Israeli Russian-language sites, you would be surprised at the comments of some Israeli ultrapatriots for whom the main enemy is not the Nazis, because they are like them, and the Russians who did not run away from the country where the sausage was temporarily lost, they were called sausage patriots, there are cosmopolitans everywhere they feel good where gesheft are allowed and they will become patriots of any country, most importantly - Parnassus, earnings from speculation, robbery, murder. The flag is just a banner, and whoever hides under this flag and hides behind it is another matter. After all, on the mess you can hang a sign - a school.
  • erg
    erg 31 October 2015 12: 37 New
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    Yes, you. Most of the people living in Russia are not interested in either your flag or your nationality, except for a handful of marginals. No matter how valuable this sounds, but if Israel disappears from the face of the earth tomorrow, many of us will not even pay attention to it. Was and did not, a common thing in the history of mankind. And minus, well, I did not like the song, expressed their opinion. Why? A personal matter for everyone. They want to say. I also did not like the song, although I do not see anything seditious in it. I don't like the fact that she is a remake of another song. For me, it's better to compose something original.
  • Pushkar
    Pushkar 31 October 2015 13: 41 New
    14
    Quote: beitar
    Well, what are the cons? Firstly, for the flag. Secondly, the folk song is not admired by the valiant Chekists and the great comrade Stalin. Any of these reasons is enough for uraidiots to minus
    Cons for what? Yes, even for gloating. You still cannot forgive the Soviet Union for some personal insults, and Russia cannot forgive the fact that you (such wise!) Proudly left, and it took, and did not fall apart with grief for you.
  • dudinets
    dudinets 31 October 2015 15: 09 New
    +8
    not for the flag, but for the sketch. much - call, and then hide behind the flag.
  • Comrade Bender
    Comrade Bender 31 October 2015 17: 57 New
    +5
    And the downsides, my dear, for the fact that "folklore" is out of the doorway and out of topic. Liberals are very fond of such "folk art", regardless of the flag that you have deigned to hide behind as one of the reasons.
  • free
    free 31 October 2015 18: 07 New
    +2
    come on stronger hiss!
  • zenion
    zenion 31 October 2015 21: 34 New
    0
    Beitar. Of yours, they probably kept the front in Tashkent and other "important" places.
  • BMP-2
    BMP-2 31 October 2015 13: 07 New
    +5
    I do not understand why the cons !?


    Well, what is there to understand? Just do not confuse thieves with folklore!
  • Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 31 October 2015 14: 09 New
    13
    from such masterpieces as "penal battalion", "Major Pugachev's last fight" becomes just vomit, such "masterpieces" have nothing to do with either art or history.

    Now the next anniversary of the defense of Moscow will be celebrated, and what happened on the southern direction from the capital, I want to bring this fact:
    In Tula in 1941, all defense plants worked at full capacity. There were practically no military units between Orel and Tula at that time. In Tula itself, except for the 156th regiment of the NKVD guarding defense plants, the fighter battalions from workers and employees (most of which were evacuated with enterprises), the 732th anti-aircraft artillery regiment, which covered the city from enemy air raids, there was nothing. there is the 34th NKVD border regiment, which was guarding the rear of the Bryansk Front. The Germans began to develop an offensive. They soon took Chern and Plavsk. On October 29, they occupied Shchekino, Yasnaya Polyana, Kosaya Gora, reached Ivanovo dachas, the Podzemgaz station, in Novo-Basovo and came close to Tula.
    The combined working fighter units were created under the command of the captain of the GB A.P. Gorshkov and the political instructor G. A. Ageev. According to the decision of the GKO on October 27, the Tula working regiment was set up on the left side of the Oryol highway, and on the right side is the 156th regiment of the NKVD. In the battle formations of these regiments was anti-aircraft artillery of the 732th Air Defense Regiment. To the left of the working regiment, on the Voronezh highway, the combat line of the 260th SD, consisting of 200 people, and on the Odoevskoye highway, the police battalion
    "The Tula workers' regiment, the 156th NKVD regiment and the militia battalion occupied the defense areas on the southern outskirts of the city. The batteries of the 732th anti-aircraft artillery regiment reached their initial positions."
    Those. Tulu directly defended the workers' militia, 156 pok NKVD and the police battalion!
    Here is such a historical truth!
    pictured: political workers of the 156th Red Banner Regiment of the NKVD
    156th regiment of the NKVD takes up positions

    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 31 October 2015 17: 18 New
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      I completely agree, for example, the Brest Fortress was defended including the 132nd separate battalion of escort troops of the NKVD of the USSR and his soldier wrote on the wall - “I am dying, but I’m not giving up! Goodbye, Motherland! ”
    2. Comrade Bender
      Comrade Bender 31 October 2015 18: 06 New
      +6
      I agree with you. "Major Pugachev's last fight" has nothing to do with reality. Of the 11 who fled, only one was a former major who had been imprisoned for criminal offenses before the war. The rest were criminals in their purest form and they were busy in the kitchen and in the library. These are the "heroes".
      1. zenion
        zenion 31 October 2015 21: 31 New
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        In the library in Vorkuta, Solzhenitsin was busy doing his term. When they suddenly started talking about him in 1989, a colleague at work who was sitting in the same camp and driving a Dodge, Vasily Yuryevich said about him that it was such a de ... mo that the whole camp hated him as an informer ... As soon as he disliked one of the prisoners, he wrote a denunciation against him with events that did not happen. He was removed from Pechora on time, otherwise he would have been nailed.
        1. Comrade Bender
          Comrade Bender 1 November 2015 09: 02 New
          +3
          Solzhenitsyn is generally a separate topic for a dissertation on betrayal, treason, cowardice and scum.
      2. MrK
        MrK 2 November 2015 11: 43 New
        0
        Bender. I agree, but I’ll clarify. Not a major, but a senior lieutenant. Surrendered myself. He was released two years later.
        All these problems are well and in detail written by Alexander Courlandchik in the book "Damned Soviet Power" ... in Prose. RU. This book is now heard. Sincerely.
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  • papik09
    papik09 31 October 2015 21: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: eugene
    30 years have passed, and I regret everything about my greed ...

    Greedy)))
  • free
    free 31 October 2015 18: 06 New
    +2
    this is liberal vomit!
  • zenion
    zenion 31 October 2015 21: 33 New
    0
    The driver was sitting down, if anyone paid attention. The fragments could only fly from tanks, with riveted bodies. Soviet tanks were diesels.
  • Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 31 October 2015 09: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: Hubun
    generally blunders in modern war films are incredibly enraging. How can one give a damn about history.

    In this regard, I would like to say about "Penal Battalion". A superbly shot film, thanks to the cast, the director's work, the cameraman is genius in some moments. BUT!!!!! Historically, an ABSOLUTELY stupid thing, designed to form an exclusively defined point of view. A kind of cinematic Ruzun-Suvorov-Icebreaker. Here is such an ambiguous movie ... You can only watch without being distracted by historical credibility, just enjoy the game of actors. So we, the older ones, are able to. And young, 15-25 years old, what they see is what they believe. Not scared by life ...

    Source of opinion on the historicity of the film: Several decades ago, he spoke with veterans of the Great Patriotic War. Both really serving time in penal battalions, and employees of the SMERSA demonized today. If they lived to see this movie, both would spit.

    And one more thing. A cool film, but the SHERSHEVKA - scare American children. Probably someone told Todorovsky so. After all, he fought ... Yes, and there was such a time - 1992 ... Note, "there was such a time" ALREADY we are talking not about the 37th, but about the 90s ... request
    1. cheega69
      cheega69 31 October 2015 12: 07 New
      +8
      At one time I came across these fairy tales about penal battalions, well, like, they and honest ZK won the war. He was young and stupid. Got to the eternal flame in Voronezh, and there is a list of units and formations of the Voronezh front. 1 penalty company and two penal battalions - EVERYTHING. He began to read and spit. Around then, I almost always spit when modern films about VO are shown. However, in the late Soviet - caramel-cloying.
      1. washi
        washi 31 October 2015 14: 32 New
        0
        Quote: cheega69
        At one time I came across these fairy tales about penal battalions, well, like, they and honest ZK won the war. He was young and stupid. Got to the eternal flame in Voronezh, and there is a list of units and formations of the Voronezh front. 1 penalty company and two penal battalions - EVERYTHING. He began to read and spit. Around then, I almost always spit when modern films about VO are shown. However, in the late Soviet - caramel-cloying.

        I also recommend that you look at the amount of fine companies and battalions, depending on the front commanders and rate guides. No direct statistics, unfortunately.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 31 October 2015 19: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: cheega69
        Around then, I almost always spit when modern films about VO are shown.

        Now we are talking about whom they shoot movies - they spit. About doctors - doctors laugh, about cops - cops spit, about the special forces in general I am silent ... But when they make a movie about the Great Patriotic War, they spit ...
  • Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 31 October 2015 10: 23 New
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    Alas, these are far from bloopers. Bloopers were in Soviet cinema, when at the Dovzhenko film studio in every film all German infantrymen were portrayed as submachine gunners in helmets, in uniforms with sleeves rolled up to the elbows, all entirely armed with MP-40s, from which they pour fire on our soldiers from the belly. You can also remember the German tank crews in Italian protective helmets, etc. This, yes - these are bloopers, which, in principle, you can not pay attention to, as well as the fact that in the aforementioned very good in my opinion series "17 Moments of Spring" German officers from the SS Allgemein wear black uniforms from Hugo Boss, although with the beginning war they all dressed up in a field police.
    And modern filmmakers (Russian and not only) shoot films as required by those who pay for the filming themselves. It is known who pays - he calls the tune. So there are "custom" films like (do not be mentioned by night) "Bastards", "Penal Battalion", "Admiral" and others like them (each of this regrettable list can continue itself). These films not only distort our history, throw mud at those true heroes who actually fought. The task of such films, showing either half-truths or outright lies, or bringing up the war in an almost popular style, is to fool the viewer, to deprive him of our real common history. It is enough to know by whom and on what basis the scripts for these "films" were written.
    This is an ideological war, and so to say a movie - a weapon in this war.
    I have the honor.
    1. cheega69
      cheega69 31 October 2015 12: 09 New
      +2
      Here you can recall the battle of Sevastopol.
    2. svd-xnumx
      svd-xnumx 31 October 2015 19: 10 New
      +1
      It is known who pays - he calls the tune. So there are "custom" films like (do not be mentioned by night) "Bastards", "Penal Battalion", "Admiral" and others like them (each of this unfortunate list can continue itself).
      I fully support it, now I have a DVD disc on the table, movies on the disc: Caucasian captive, Purgatory, War, Roadblock,Cuckoo,Their,At no name altitude, In August 44th, Unofficial quest, Star,Echelon,Saboteur. In the highlighted in red there are "bastards" from the NKVD, in the rest I do not remember exactly about the Second World War, but the direction of the films about the 1st Chechen War, I think, is not worth talking about.
  • Vega
    Vega 31 October 2015 11: 09 New
    +1
    Not only a military consultant, but also a consultant on clothing, etiquette and manner of communication. I know this from my friend’s father, he was such a consultant at Lenfilm.
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  • Good me
    Good me 31 October 2015 17: 41 New
    +5
    Quote: Hubun
    generally blunders in modern war films are incredibly enraging. How can one give a damn about history.


    These are not "bloopers", but a deliberate distortion.

    Take, for example, the same "movie" "Bastards", a frame from which is present in the article ...

    So much deceitful, anti-Soviet, anti-Russian "cinema" that at the ceremony of awarding the film for some merit (???), the respected by many director Stanislav Govorukhin, DEMONSTRATIVELY and DEFINITELY, refused to present the prize. Thus, demonstrating their personal position regarding the distortion of our essence.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 1 November 2015 09: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Hubun
    the bloopers in modern war films are unbelievable.

    And you have to fine, even through the court. yes
    But what, the distortion of history does not harm society and the suffering of patriotic citizens?
    There should also be a commission of authoritative figures of art and historians giving an opinion on things (not just films) that shape the minds of citizens, especially young people.
  • Vend
    Vend 29 November 2015 18: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Hubun
    generally blunders in modern war films are incredibly enraging. How can one give a damn about history. You watch Soviet films not one without a military consultant.

    Is this a blunder. For example, the artificial creation of ancient Rusich, as language mummers, is already propaganda. Remember the heroes. But about consultants in Soviet films, you are in vain. They are there. For example, German tanks in Soviet films about the beginning of the war always surprised me. They did not correspond to historical realities. However, film propaganda is included in the case.
  • Akuzenka
    Akuzenka 4 December 2016 10: 10 New
    0
    But now you can shoot a film about the vile liberals. Every day they go to the embassy of the United States, pray to the dollar, rape prostitutes and can’t connect two words. That will be a worthy answer.
  • Ivan Nevelskoy
    Ivan Nevelskoy 18 December 2016 12: 00 New
    0
    It's funny when they show the Germans going all the way with machine guns. And this is in 1941. Then the Germans did not have machine guns.
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 December 2016 12: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Ivan Nevelskoy
      Then the Germans did not have machine guns.

      Yes, but what was it?
      Quote: Ivan Nevelskoy
      It's funny when they show the Germans going all the way with machine guns.

      Yeah, it's especially "funny" to look at their photos from that war ...


      Quote: Ivan Nevelskoy
      And this is in 1941.
      Yeah
      Brest 1941

      Crimea 1941 ...
  • captain
    captain April 30 2017 14: 42 New
    0
    [quote = Hubun] generally blunders in modern war films are incredibly enraging. How can one give a damn about history. You watch Soviet films not one without a military consultant. [/ Quot
    Do not be offended, but the directors take military consultants. It’s just that our consultants generals have no idea about the ranks in the Red Army. And of course about the insignia. And they simply cannot be asked about the organization of units and formations of the Red Army. Answers to the brink of fiction. Our "generals" study military history from films.
  • apro
    apro 31 October 2015 07: 05 New
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    Denigrating the NKVD employees with the connivance of the current state, they want to gloss over our history and point out the wrong reasons for our victory, as well as smooth out their catastrophic misses or betrayal of our country. Glory to the NKVD wars that ensure order at the front and in the rear, because in many ways they managed to stop panic during our defeats and retreats to block the German agents and not give rest to the Germans in the occupied territories.
  • Fox
    Fox 31 October 2015 07: 11 New
    +2
    and now all films about the war "consult" the military. Another thing is what kind of "consultants" they are.
  • Teplohod
    Teplohod 31 October 2015 07: 23 New
    10
    But what about "In August 44th"?
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 31 October 2015 09: 01 New
      +9
      It happens that you read a book, and then watch the film of the same name. And I don’t like the film. I remember the book by heart, literally. With all the orders, extracts and reports. Super! It can be seen that Bogomolov is in the subject. And, surprisingly, I love the film. The director managed squeeze the essence in an hour and a half. By the way, if anyone is interested. "17 Moments of Spring" is a thin little book. And the film was made word for word with text! 11 episodes!
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 31 October 2015 11: 13 New
        +2
        And the film is made word for word with text!
        By the way, let's compare the Soviet three musketeers and Zhigunovs. Also, the Soviet literally starred in the book, Mr. Zhigunov removed something about his acrobat with the name D, Artanyan.
        As for the article, not only the years of the war, but also later times are removed with a minimum of historical authenticity.
      2. MrK
        MrK 2 November 2015 11: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: eugene
        It can be seen that Bogomolov is in topic. And, surprisingly, I love the film.


        Thank. Therefore, Bogomolov forbade to put his name in the credits.
    2. dmit-xnumx
      dmit-xnumx 31 October 2015 09: 23 New
      +3
      - And "On Thin Ice"?
    3. cheega69
      cheega69 31 October 2015 12: 10 New
      +1
      Read the book first. I also recommend "Green Brama"
    4. MrK
      MrK 13 October 2016 00: 06 New
      0
      The author of the book "In August 44" V. Bogomolov forbade putting his name in the credits of the film. Because the concept of the book has been perverted.
  • nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 31 October 2015 07: 52 New
    0
    In the engineering service of one of the regiments of the division, a recipe for the manufacture of a combustible mixture, later called the “Molotov cocktail”, was invented. The recipe turned out to be so cheap and effective that the know-how instantly scattered across all fronts and was actively used not only in the battle of Moscow, but also in other battles of World War II.

    The article is good and correct in many things. But wasn’t the same incendiary mixture used by the Finns during the Soviet-Finnish war, a few years before the Second World War?
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 31 October 2015 08: 56 New
      +1
      As I understand it, there were several recipes. We, in Kerch, at the Voikov factory, prepared the mixture on an industrial scale, and there were many problems with the manufacture. There was a very nervous technology.
    2. Conductor
      Conductor 31 October 2015 08: 56 New
      +1
      That's right, one more "blunder" from the author of the article
    3. beitar
      beitar 31 October 2015 11: 07 New
      -1
      Exactly. The Finns called it "a cocktail for Molotov". Over time, it became a "Molotov cocktail"
      1. washi
        washi 31 October 2015 14: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: beitar
        Exactly. The Finns called it "a cocktail for Molotov". Over time, it became a "Molotov cocktail"

        Put a plus for historical accuracy. What you minus did not understand.
        1. jjj
          jjj 31 October 2015 17: 54 New
          +2
          There were traditional designs with the need to set fire to the wick. But our chemists came up with a mixture that spontaneously ignites when a bottle is broken in any weather, in damp and frost. In general, in the 1960 and 1970 years, a lot of memories and historical chronicles about the war were published. The participants were alive, and their memory was still fresh. But now that big layer of information is somewhere in paper-based storages. And on the Internet, as a rule, there is very little such evidence.
      2. Good me
        Good me 31 October 2015 20: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: beitar
        Exactly. The Finns called it "a cocktail for Molotov". Over time, it became a "Molotov cocktail"

        Simplified. But only in order to "nag", including the arrogant finals, to whom Soviet Russia granted freedom and independence, for which they, from 1918 to 1944, repeatedly "thanked", unleashing hostilities.
  • bulat
    bulat 31 October 2015 08: 00 New
    +8
    The 10th division of the NKVD played a very large role in the Battle of Stalingrad
  • Russia
    Russia 31 October 2015 08: 02 New
    15
    The author is a huge plus!
    I can't watch modern films "about the war". I turn it off almost as soon as I start to see the "author's vision", and in fact - his (the author's) venal soul. Okay, I remember something and I know. But the trouble is that "this movie" fills the void in the heads of young people and they believe that it was so! After such films, I cease to respect even talented actors who allow themselves to act in such a trash!
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 October 2015 09: 12 New
      +2
      Now they are shooting about a fantasy war. The main thing is to get cash.
      Well, we do not require westerns of historical authenticity.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 31 October 2015 09: 35 New
        +6
        Now they are shooting about a fantasy war. The main thing is to get cash.
        Well, we do not require historical authenticity from Westerns.

        We do not demand, they claim historicity. No.
        1. Kos_kalinki9
          Kos_kalinki9 31 October 2015 10: 46 New
          +4
          And even based on real events.
          Kunin V.V.- He is Feinberg V.V.
          “Bastards” is a film by Alexander Atanesyan based on the novel by Vladimir Kunin. The film’s advertising campaign was based on the fact that the script is based on real events from the biography of Kunin, which he personally spoke about in several interviews [1]. The film was released without preview by an expert commission of historians [2].

          After the premiere of the film on February 2, 2006 and the scandal [3] that erupted in November 2007, V. Kunin stated that the script he wrote for the film “Bastards” was “rewritten by the director of the film from the first to the last letter” [4].
      2. The comment was deleted.
  • Free wind
    Free wind 31 October 2015 08: 16 New
    +3
    On the stars, an employee of the NKVD, at least a lieutenant general. By scum, this is of course the fiction of bad people. BUT ... we, boys and girls of the 50s-80s, we dreamed of war, our games are military, our dreams were connected with the war. We didn’t make special forces from teenagers, it’s a pity, of course, we dreamed about it ......
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 31 October 2015 09: 21 New
      +2
      State Commissioner 3rd rank security. Corresponding to Lieutenant General wax NKVD. True, the stars in the buttonholes at one time were replaced by rhombs, as in the army, but the sleeve stars remained unchanged.
      1. erg
        erg 31 October 2015 12: 52 New
        +3
        The title is true, but these insignia existed from 35 to 37 years. Then they returned to the previous cubes, sleepers, rhombs (used until 35 and after 37 to 43). Like in the army. Patches were also canceled. Only left in the army, but on the model of the army. Yes, watered. the composition of the internal and border troops on the sleeve was sewn star, one, without chevrons. In state safety - only a badge in the form of an emblem.
    2. beitar
      beitar 31 October 2015 11: 13 New
      +5
      Dreams of war come to an end when you see your friend dying with his intestines out. Either children or the mentally disabled can want war.
      1. Kos_kalinki9
        Kos_kalinki9 31 October 2015 11: 23 New
        0
        Quote: beitar
        Dreams of war come to an end when you see your friend dying with his intestines out. Either children or the mentally disabled can want war.

        Well, judging by your name, a tanker, are you also dreaming of war, or am I wrong?
        1. beitar
          beitar 31 October 2015 11: 38 New
          +4
          I dream ... That it was not there. I took part in the second Lebanon war. Hated war always after leaving childhood. I am an acting reserve officer, if I have to, I’ll go again. But war is a terrible thing, I would like it to be no longer necessary ...
          1. cheega69
            cheega69 31 October 2015 12: 16 New
            +2
            None of those who saw the war dream of it, do not shake their fists, do not skip on forums. But, what is characteristic, if that, in contrast to the nightingales.
      2. cumastra1
        cumastra1 31 October 2015 13: 02 New
        +3
        Children do not dream of war. Believe me, they do not dream of killing and being killed. Children are wise and chaste in their own way. They dream of military glory - yes. But immediately about her. Without the process of war. After all, for this you need to get away from mom and dad, part with toys, etc., etc. And as for the mentally disabled, yes.
  • Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 31 October 2015 08: 36 New
    +9
    I went to the wiki, read about the film Penalty. It turns out that military consultants were not involved in the filming of the film. Well, right, but why? We ourselves know everything. This is how "military" films are made now.
  • A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 31 October 2015 08: 56 New
    +4
    Naturally, modern masters of the screen do not have time to delve into all these subtleties: the main thing is to cut the budget of the film so that there is less money left for filming, and more will get into your own pocket

    These are, if I may say so, "figures of high art" take upon themselves the right to influence the minds of our people for the sake of their base needs, rewriting the history of Russia at the behest and working off handouts from the United States. It's time for our guarantor of the constitution to come to grips with the internal situation in the country and bring it into proper look.
  • Eugene
    Eugene 31 October 2015 09: 06 New
    +4
    For some reason, I liked the film "Bastards". One Krasko is worth something. And the bad glory of the NKVD comes from those who really got what they deserved. As the rulers, the "innocent" hate cops, like liberals suffer from the regime. The state is obliged to defend itself !! what's going on in Ukraine ..
  • X Y Z
    X Y Z 31 October 2015 09: 09 New
    +4
    Long ago I realized that with our filmmakers no Polish historians and American magazines are needed. We will overtime and vulgarize ourselves, it will not seem a little. This is how the process of protecting history from distortions is going on in our country (even a commission was created). And then there will be links to our films in the "you yourself recognized" style. And this is serious, because in the modern world, even officials refer to videos on social networks, and even a movie is almost just 100% proof.
    The only question I have for the whole fraternity is whether they do it exclusively for cutting dough, or here is something more vile and nasty, given the presence of numerous NGOs in the country. In short, stupidity and indiscrimination or malice create indecency.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 31 October 2015 09: 36 New
      0
      What does the dough have to do with it. They just don’t want to think.
      And is there any time for this? It is necessary to shoot three dozen episodes in a year. Where already to delve into ...
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 31 October 2015 09: 09 New
    0
    "The myth that the war was won by the people, not the ruling regime ..."
    I did not read further.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 31 October 2015 09: 42 New
      +1
      The myth that the people, it is said, won the war, and not the ruling regime, whose strongholds were the special services, is intensively driven into the consciousness of the average man through an uncomplicated cinematic language.

      I agree with you.
      The author went too far, and without reason. His point of view is immoral and absurd.
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 31 October 2015 17: 24 New
        +2
        Oh, minus, anonymous, as always cowardly.
        ---------
        Well, let's continue.
        "The myth that the war, they say, was won by the people, not the ruling regime" - following the servile logic of the author of these lines, the people are slaves who must exist for the sake of the "ruling regime", serve this "ruling regime" and give their worthless life for the sake of the interests of this "ruling regime."
        A familiar ideology. She already crashed more than once.
        And the "ruling regime" is some kind of elite from other planets, or, what is even more interesting, really the NKVD, which won the Great Patriotic War, with the help of TT bottles and pistols. Oh, this is a new discovery in history!
        There is no such family in Russia in which there are no victims of this war, including mine.
        But it turns out they gave their lives for the "ruling regime", and not for the word that many do not have, in their wretched vocabulary - for their homeland.
  • xorgi
    xorgi 31 October 2015 09: 17 New
    +7
    I absolutely agree with the premise of the article, BUT for the proposal "The myth that the war, they say, was won by the people, and not the ruling regime, the stronghold of which was the special services, is being driven hard into the minds of the average man by means of a simple cinematic language. "I put a minus to the article! I advise the author to choose expressions more carefully! The war was won by all our Soviet people! From the soldier on the front line, to Stalin in the Kremlin and grandmother in village! ALL!
  • runway
    runway 31 October 2015 09: 18 New
    +2
    But is it only in ranks, uniforms or buttonholes?
    Selling directors, who have not a bit of conscience, fulfill the order of our current leaders - to denigrate and slander everything Soviet. Is it only the directors and some of the cinematic fraternities that have distinguished themselves in this? Weeds sprouted. Boorish attitude towards our veterans, monuments and burials of dead soldiers, the symbols of our Revolution and Victory is observed more often.
    BECAUSE THIS HOLY!
    People laid down their lives for our Motherland! How can some bastards be allowed to stomp on their graves! Where are these laws that should protect those who can no longer defend themselves? Or they are only accepted as a "divert" ....
    PS Golodets promised that in the next year, 2016, all veterans of the Great Patriotic War would be provided with housing .....
  • erg
    erg 31 October 2015 09: 20 New
    +4
    Regarding uniforms and insignia. In the NKVD there were several scales of ranks. In the internal troops and in the border - military ranks, as well as in the army. And just like in the army, the ranks of commanding officers (polit. Composition, administrative, medical, etc.) differed from the ranks of command (combat commanders) personnel. In state security, police, gulag - their own rank systems that differ from the army and from each other. They existed until the age of 43, when they were partially unified by the names of the ranks (partly because, for example, the top command staff of the GB and the police were called not generals, but commissars). In the gulag there were no personal titles at all, but there was a division into official categories. The titles of the GB listed in the article are correct, the police were similar, only the higher ranks had the ranks - the police inspector, police director, chief director (after 43, as in the GB they were called commissars). Well, there were titles for ordinary and junior command personnel (policeman, senior policeman, remote commander, pomkovozvoda and foreman). There was no such category in GB. But there was a title - a candidate for the title.
    Designation of ranks on a uniform. From 35 to 37, special insignia were established for the NKVD officers. In the troops and state. safety - buttonholes with a longitudinal strip and icons. For the younger composition - a raspberry strip and corners, for the middle - a silver strip and the equilateral triangles jagged at the base, the same were sewn onto the sleeve. The senior staff is a silver stripe and silver stars, on the sleeves of the stars are red with silver trim. The highest is a golden stripe and gold stars, stars with a gold edging on the sleeves. The police and the gulag have their own distinct signs of distinction. After 37 years, all this diversity was canceled and common insignia were introduced with the army. Patch signs of ralicy, as in the army, were preserved only in the army; in the GB, they wore only a patch with an emblem.
    1. Alex
      Alex 1 November 2015 08: 59 New
      0
      In the GUGB of the NKVD of the USSR, special ranks of command personnel were 2 steps higher than in the Red Army: sergeant of the GB (primary rank of command personnel) corresponded to junior lieutenant, junior lieutenant GB-senior lieutenant, lieutenant GB-captain, senior lieutenant GB-major, captain of the GB - colonel (since 1940, lieutenant colonel), major of the GB-brigade, senior major division commander, commissar of the GB 3 rank-corps commander, commissar of the GB 2 rank-commander of the 2nd rank, commissar of the GB 1 rank-commander of the 1st rank, general commissar of the GB- Marshal of the Soviet Union with the corresponding insignia "kubari", "sleepers", "rhombuses", stars.
      1. erg
        erg 1 November 2015 13: 08 New
        0
        There were no titles above 2 steps. The rank scale in the GB reflected the structure of this department and was not compared with army ranks. Similar names still do not say anything. The New York Police, for example, has the youngest rank of officer, but this does not mean that the rank-and-file police (according to our system, is similar to the rank of rank-and-file) is equal to army officers. And the rank of sergeant in the GB was introduced in the year 35, when the army still did not have such a rank. Just the same terms denote different categories of employees.
        1. erg
          erg 1 November 2015 13: 43 New
          0
          Triangles, clubs, rectangles, rhombuses designated different categories of employees - respectively, junior, middle, senior, higher staff. This system was characteristic of almost all departments. Therefore, for example, top managers everywhere bore the same insignia. But they could be called in different ways. Until the age of 35, we had no personal ranks, and employees were designated by job. It is clear that in different structures - different positions. With the introduction of personal ranks, they primarily reflected the internal structure of a department.
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 31 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +4
    The article is generally not bad.
    Speaking of Stirlitz, in the end.
    Shelenberg did not have subordinates in such high ranks.
    Standartenfuhrer was only one.
    All the rest are in the rank of lieutenants and non-commissioned officers.
    Shirts to the black uniform were worn brown. Although white is certainly more elegant.
    When the film was made into bloom, the police patches turned green. Must be orange.
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 31 October 2015 10: 56 New
      +1
      There is a cool parody of a color film. Evening Urgant. Gone ..
  • rus-5819
    rus-5819 31 October 2015 09: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: Free Wind
    we, boys and girls of the 50s-80s, we dreamed of war, our games are military, our dreams were connected with the war. We didn’t make special forces from teenagers, it’s a pity, of course, we dreamed about it ......


    We dreamed not about war, but about how, like adults, to fight in war, to defend the country.
    In our games, no one wanted to portray the White Guards or fascists: they were successfully replaced by bushes and bumps. If there was anyone in the camp of the Nazis, then it was, at least, Nikolai Kuznetsov (they did not hear about Stirlitz before the publication of the book of Yu.Semyonov)
    Of course, none of us did special forces, but in the games we were all super
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 31 October 2015 10: 10 New
    16
    It is impossible to perceive what some advanced directors are "stuffing" us with as "the ultimate truth": but the point is that after the collapse of the USSR it became fashionable to water guano on everything related to the Great Patriotic War and the USSR (the most active ones received awards film festivals and grants from foreign connoisseurs)! But you can't screw up the truth and you can't hide the truth from the people! Here are some of the frauds in our cinema: the first fraud by X \ f "Penalties", in fact, is a deliberate distortion of facts, in penal companies and battalions there was a very clear structural organization! There was a permanent composition of very competent and experienced officers, political personnel - agitators from among the army political instructors and there was a "variable composition" of those convicted by the Military Tribunals and there were also prisoners who had the opportunity to atone for their faults on the battlefield! And in the film, it's a complete orgy, anyone is in command of the "penal battalion" (with all due respect to the actor, Serebryakov should note about the unseemly role he has inherited), drunken generals, along with the NKVD officers, send penalty boxers to death at their own whim ... And the detachments are generally a "gold mine" for falsifiers: considering that the people are stupid and have no memory, they carry such nonsense that one is amazed, and in fact, the Order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief clearly states that the detachments should be created from among the most trained, loyal and brave war veterans ... Well, what can I say, just spread your hands! But the attempt of the creators of the movie "Taiga Novel, Border" to show the Soviet Army in all its "glory" looked even funnier: I happened to be in ZabVo, during these years, to command a car company, and then one day, being in the steppe, I got behind the wheel, and in the evening the commander of our BAM-3909 JAAN OTTOVICH KIRS (blessed memory of him), as a boy, scolded me very politely, but so that until the end of the service I had no desire to replace the driver! And in the film, everyone, almost a watchman with a melon, grabbed official cars and rushed around like crazy all over the district, and shooting on the Chinese side is generally the height of stupidity! This is what the desire to vulgarize all the good that was in the desire to "please" someone leads to! Either all these "artists" consider us fools, or they themselves are not adequate) judging by their "creativity". But now I want to return to the NKVD troops, and these creators know, well, at least the history of the "missing" NKVD division in the Belgorod direction, every single one from cook to the division commander perished, and all the materials were classified, as well as everything related to the NKVD ! And perhaps the BORDER GUARDS were not one of the constituent parts of the NKVD system, but this did not prevent them from being the most combat-ready force! It's just a shame from all this "vomit" that they are trying to "stuff" our youth and it's very bad that many people believe it!
    1. Eugene
      Eugene 31 October 2015 11: 16 New
      +1
      And the naval units of the border troops?
    2. Raider
      Raider 31 October 2015 21: 36 New
      0
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Well what can I say, just spread your hands! But the attempt of the creators of the movie "Taiga Novel, Border" to show the Soviet Army in all its "glory" looked even funnier:

      A strange film, epaulettes of red motorized rifles and buttonholes, in the film, and serve on the border, absurd!
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 31 October 2015 10: 18 New
    +2
    In any textbook of the modern history of the Russian language it is written that during the years of the Great Patriotic War there was no Ministry of Internal Affairs, because there were no ministries at all. Instead, with the 1917, there were people's commissariats - abbreviated commissariats. And only in the 1946 year, that is, after the war, did Stalin revive the ministries, and the department in which the film characters served were called the Ministry of the Interior, or the Interior Ministry.
    Now with regard to military ranks. Here, modern screen geniuses do not bother themselves with anything at all: what came into their head is what they think is true. And therefore, very often, the officers of the Soviet special services are called commissars for them, and the German ones are sturmbanführer. Meanwhile, the NKVD system had its own special ranks, which did not always coincide with the army.
    "They fought for their homeland" and "Only old men go to battle"! Well, all the films of this kind of those years. ALL! We haven't looked at the modern ** for a long time.
    I noticed such a thing, no matter what the Soviet film is watching, the soul is resting. Some kind of cosiness is in my soul. But it's me, uncle. What to do with youth? Wherever you stick murders everywhere. It’s like listening to rock then you are being treated with classics. Well or something
    about that.
    Quote: xorgi
    I absolutely agree with the premise of the article, BUT for the proposal "The myth that the war, they say, was won by the people, and not the ruling regime, the stronghold of which was the special services, is being driven hard into the minds of the average man by means of a simple cinematic language. "I put a minus to the article! I advise the author to choose expressions more carefully! The war was won by all our Soviet people! From the soldier on the front line, to Stalin in the Kremlin and grandmother in village! ALL!

    I agree. And how many examples in history were when the troops remained without command and won.
  • forwarder
    forwarder 31 October 2015 10: 19 New
    +1
    The famous Russian writer Ivan Shevtsov, the author of many sensational novels and short stories, served in the summer of 1941 on the Romanian border. His outpost for seven days (!) Restrained the attacks of the Nazis.

    Where did he find the Nazis there? Confused Romanians with Germans.
    1. iv-nord
      iv-nord 31 October 2015 11: 07 New
      +1
      The accession of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR (also the Bessarabian operation, the Bessarabian campaign, the Prut campaign of 1940, the accession of Northern Bukovina to the USSR and the Bessarabian campaign) - the transfer of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to Romania by the USSR in 1940. The Soviet side planned as a military invasion of Romania, but, a few hours before the start of the operation, King of Romania Carol II accepted the ultimatum note of the Soviet side and transferred Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR. The operation to occupy the territory of the Soviet troops lasted 6 days
  • parusnik
    parusnik 31 October 2015 10: 24 New
    +2
    In the engineering service of one of the regiments of the division, a recipe for the manufacture of a combustible mixture, later called the Molotov cocktail, was invented.The name "Molotov cocktail" comes from the name of the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars and the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, VM Molotov. According to one version, bottles with a combustible mixture began to be made at Finnish alcohol factories by order of the authorities with the wording "We need a liquid that burns for a long time and does not go out well." During the Winter War, the Finnish army began using such bottles as an anti-tank weapon, and as a matter of priority, Molotov cocktails were used in Cuba during the Revolutionary War. The exact date of the appearance of this weapon is even known: July 20, 1895, when detachments of Cuban mambi rebels laid siege to the Spanish garrison in the village of Bayre. The Cubans demanded surrender, threatening to use a "new secret weapon", bottles with a combustible mixture were used in Russian aviation as incendiary bombs during WWI, in the Spanish Civil War ... And under the article, the author is largely right ..
  • iv-nord
    iv-nord 31 October 2015 11: 00 New
    +6
    My grandfather served in the NKVD. He fought at the Halkin Gol, served at border posts in the Far East, in Belarus. Senior lieutenant. He died in 1941. You don’t need all to be the same. Who served, who served. Many heroes, there were scoundrels. War.
  • Evgeniy30
    Evgeniy30 31 October 2015 13: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: iv-nord
    The accession of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR (also the Bessarabian operation, the Bessarabian campaign, the Prut campaign of 1940, the accession of Northern Bukovina to the USSR and the Bessarabian campaign) - the transfer of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to Romania by the USSR in 1940. The Soviet side planned as a military invasion of Romania, but, a few hours before the start of the operation, King of Romania Carol II accepted the ultimatum note of the Soviet side and transferred Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR. The operation to occupy the territory of the Soviet troops lasted 6 days

    Rezuna read?
  • washi
    washi 31 October 2015 14: 59 New
    0
    In each organization there are normal people and there are those who are dumb and enjoy official position.
    I wish there were more of the former, and fewer of the latter.
    Fortunately, the first ones are still working and therefore we are all well-fed, dressed and using the Internet to visit this site.
    1. forwarder
      forwarder 31 October 2015 16: 18 New
      -6
      Quote: Vasya
      Fortunately, the first ones are still working and therefore we are all well-fed, dressed and using the Internet to visit this site.

      Have you tried to squeeze a slave out of yourself? Slowly, drop by drop per day. Try it, maybe you will like it.
      1. saber
        saber 2 November 2015 09: 37 New
        +1
        Squeeze out an idiot before handing out tips
        1. forwarder
          forwarder 2 November 2015 23: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Saber
          Squeeze out an idiot before handing out tips

          What, for more mind is not enough? Also in the mornings do you pray for portraits of the right uncles? Come on, come on. You are overwhelmed.
  • iury.vorgul
    iury.vorgul 31 October 2015 15: 22 New
    +1

    The next morning they call
    Me to the Special Department:
    - What are you, dog,
    Did you burn out with the tank?
    Now I don’t remember which of the historians, in my opinion from Isaev, read about this song that some mechanical drivers, especially at the beginning of the war, clamped levers and gas during the attack, and jumped out of the tank, which is why the Specialists were interested in such cases.
  • Caucasian
    Caucasian 31 October 2015 16: 00 New
    0
    Have you noticed that in new films when Russians are baptized they don’t take off their hats? Switching channels I saw some kind of film about the war, so there was some important commander, on the left side of the tunic there was an October badge instead of an order. And why should these filmmakers-pederasts bother ?!
    1. forwarder
      forwarder 31 October 2015 16: 24 New
      -4
      Quote: Caucasian
      Switching channels I saw some kind of film about the war, so there was some important commander, on the left side of the tunic there was an October badge instead of an order.

      Yes, yes, I also watched this movie. There, this commander went without a head. He only fastened his head on holidays. And even that, not to himself, but to his orderly. And so, he wore it in a duffel bag, behind his back. So that a foolish bullet would not hurt her.
      Will lie.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 31 October 2015 17: 45 New
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    Quote: beitar
    Well, what are the cons? Firstly, for the flag. Secondly, the folk song is not admired by the valiant Chekists and the great comrade Stalin. Any of these reasons is enough for uraidiots to minus

    I did not minus the song, because I heard it as a kid, although the post-author squeezed it out for breeding a srach. But the post about the flagellates - minusanul, precisely for the content. My answer is that almost all of my brothers, sons-in-law, brother-in-law and other young male relatives, when talking about the army, call officers nothing more than "jackals" and quickly shut up with "oylya", having received from me a brotherly pendel or a slap on the head and remembering with whom talk (a gray-haired lieutenant colonel of the reserve since 25 years old, after another hole in the body, he was discharged at 32 with a length of service of 23 years for all combat). Say, such a cognitive dissonance - officers are "jackals", and bro (that is, me) is the pride of the family? And I will answer - do not meddle in our family, or then do not whine. You can show a lot of posts like yours on some IDF forum of veterans, so that the Russian reminds you, for example, that "IDF" was created by XNUMX% terrorists, natives of "Irgun"and all honest Jews happily pounded it? Or, condemning the bastards from Arab terrorists, with a repentant look every time they recalled that Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was killed by a Jewish radical?
  • Blacks
    Blacks 31 October 2015 18: 37 New
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    read so straight tear breaks through, all the eagles and heroes
    but how they weren’t shot, in 1947 the grandfather left Bandera alive (the neighbor let go of the shooting), winter -15, everyone knocked out his teeth, beat as best they could, in the back he came to his own, but the valiant and sincere to the wall .... ... the battalion commander stood up
    In the 50s he died of wounds ... there is no need to smear with white .... there are also gray shades
  • creak
    creak 31 October 2015 18: 50 New
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    I read the article and was puzzled by the question - the name is about SMERSHE, and the article is about the NKVD and special departments, and professionalism.
    So, in this regard, I would like to note that SMERSH created in 1943 (the Main Directorate of Military Counterintelligence of the NPO) had no relation to the NKVD and was directly subordinate to the Supreme Commander. And SMERSHA officers wore the uniform of those troops where they served, and not the NKVD uniform and were engaged in counterintelligence support of the Active Army, but the territorial bodies of the NKVD worked in the rear ...
    It seems that the author himself does not very clearly understand the difference between these special services and the name is one, and the content about the NKVD to which SMERSh is by no means ...
  • saigon
    saigon 31 October 2015 18: 57 New
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    So little comments about the article and the comments. All the same, the army counter-intelligence has died, and to the NKVD by no means. The fines were staffed with officers convicted of crimes and the ZK could not be there. The penalty man could not command a penalty battalion. Well, watching movies just takes a snap.
  • Vasily Krylov
    Vasily Krylov 31 October 2015 20: 07 New
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    In my opinion, the article should be understood in two ways. About historical cinema and about the special services of the USSR of a certain time. Breaking spears on the second topic, for some reason, little is written about the second, which in my opinion is no less important this applies not only to the time of the Patriotic War, " Russia is primordial "- a great patriotic book, but for a film you need its authors for one place, you know for what, to hang," Druzhina "is a TV serial film, it would seem that everything is in order with patriotism, but you look at the appearance not covered heads, hairstyles, I don’t know what it’s called, they look like felt and many other things that have nothing to do with ancient Russia. And lastly, I sometimes regret that we do not have an ethics commission for the media.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 31 October 2015 21: 07 New
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    Quote: beitar
    Well, what are the cons? Firstly, for the flag. Secondly, the folk song is not admired by the valiant Chekists and the great comrade Stalin. Any of these reasons is enough for uraidiots to minus

    Is a folk song a song written by your people? wassat
  • Raider
    Raider 31 October 2015 22: 35 New
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    Quote: beitar
    Well, what are the cons? Firstly, for the flag. Secondly, the folk song is not admired by the valiant Chekists and the great comrade Stalin. Any of these reasons is enough for uraidiots to minus


    Interestingly, your country is wonderful, your organs are super, you are unsurpassed fighters, since everything is so wonderful, what are you rubbing on our Russian site "VO"? That's right, you have no history, you have nothing to discuss, because most of you grew up from our country, you will learn more about the history of the formation of your country, how the USSR helped you then. There would be no flag with the star of David on the world map now. Your interlocutors seem to be not bad, but you like to throw stones at someone else's garden, and if they throw them at yours, you are offended. Don't love us and you can't live without us. The Jewish paradox.
    About the films. Most of secular Bohemia (artists, singers, directors, etc.) I consider it necessary to indicate in their biography their dispossession or repression of organs. Probably without this they will not be accepted into their ranks and they will not give Oscar. Such a feeling - the whole country was sitting. The executioners, the NKVDs, are tired of the order, they are already sick of "overeating" with this product. And the film "Bastards" (you can't call it any other way) probably became the final film of all Govorukhin's righteous work. By the way, I always want to say about it when he shouts patriotically at events. There were undoubtedly excesses, and such a time happens in any country. Something about the United States for lynching no one is spreading rot, and Obama does not indicate in his biography the hard work of his ancestors on plantations or oppressing the British in Africa, or France with its collaborators? Yes, and Nikolasha-2 in January 1905 staged a demonstration by execution. So what, who writes about it? There are always people at any time trying to rise at the expense of the political structure of that time. Then, for a worker or a peasant, now for a child of the repressed, what will happen next ... we'll see. Bodies in any country will do their job - to maintain order for the people in power. Otherwise, it is a revolution or a putsch. People then fulfilled their oath. And probably a thousand freaks, which by the way are everywhere and at all (Judas), cannot overshadow the exploits of a million others. Fashion comes and goes, history remains, and our grandchildren will discuss it, and now it is too early to assess the 20th century. IMHO. Good luck everyone.
  • alexej123
    alexej123 1 November 2015 02: 06 New
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    The title is off topic. SMERSH did not enter the NKVD system, did not obey the drug addict Beria. SMERSH, in my opinion, was part of the State Defense Committee. He personally obeyed Stalin. The head is Abakumov. although, a native of the NKVD system. Ranks were army. His form was not. The composition was assembled from officers of various branches and troops. And many wore the form of these genera.
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    2. creak
      creak 1 November 2015 10: 02 New
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      Quote: alexej123
      SMERSH, in my opinion, was part of the State Committee


      As I noted in my commentary above, SMERSH is the Main Directorate of Military Counterintelligence of the People’s Commissariat of Defense ...
  • Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 1 November 2015 03: 12 New
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    It is considered good practice in the domestic mass media to cheat the special services of the USSR and the Russian Federation in general and the feat of the Soviet People in particular. It is not surprising who pays and orders music.
    Owners of media resources are corrupt and liberal representatives of our society who are at the service of the United States, who are VERY interested in the collapse of our HOMELAND. And to ruin them handy through the fifth column by desecrating history and blurring morality.
  • serge siberian
    serge siberian 1 November 2015 19: 49 New
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    Quote: forwarder

    Of course. The rates were just such that the labor was slave. Free. And without this, the USSR would not have survived. As soon as Khrushchev abolished slavery, the USSR ended. He floundered a little more on the accumulated resources, and then grunted. From hunger.

    thanks to people like you
  • bad
    bad 3 November 2015 14: 10 New
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    Quote: Seraphimamur
    It is considered good practice in the domestic mass media to cheat the special services of the USSR and the Russian Federation in general and the feat of the Soviet People in particular. It is not surprising who pays and orders music.
    Owners of media resources are corrupt and liberal representatives of our society who are at the service of the United States, who are VERY interested in the collapse of our HOMELAND. And to ruin them handy through the fifth column by desecrating history and blurring morality.
    all for western grants ..
  • Sanya Rus
    Sanya Rus 16 November 2015 14: 31 New
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    I will tell the author that there were heroes and scum among the NKVD, and outposts that stood "to death" and barriers and the Gulag, and mass executions and famines since the 20s, and the People, not the NKVD, won the Great Patriotic War ...
  • Uncle
    Uncle 2 December 2016 22: 45 New
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    I have 2 great-grandfathers who were repressed, the NKVD was the instrument of repression, dig into your own genealogy, admirers of the NKVD, maybe you will find someone tortured, executed, and exiled.
    1. bbss
      bbss 11 December 2016 20: 45 New
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      Article about SMERSH.
  • 97110
    97110 10 December 2016 21: 52 New
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    In the engineering service of one of the regiments of the division, a recipe for the manufacture of a combustible mixture, later called the Molotov cocktail, was invented.
    Why, for all the time that I have lived in the USSR, have I never heard or read this "named later ..." Maybe because the "cocktail for Molotov" was used by the "subordinates" of the Russian general, unspeakably loved by all "memorial discoverers" "honored with a plaque on the Leningrad wall? Soviet people knew and burned German tanks only with Molotov cocktails! Dear Author! Make it clear why and for what you came up with this "named later". It’s not because you don’t have the strength to listen to the endless "beauty of some fools" on the air, for whom cocktails, even Molotov, even agent 007, seem to be a fashionable and internationally recognized word. It is useless to retrain these "media workers", it is necessary to instill in them the consciousness that in general everything comes directly from the KGB? And the President, and Judovich Solzhenitsyn, and even Trump with his impartial statements about the media?
  • bbss
    bbss 11 December 2016 20: 44 New
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    For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that the statement: "... called later" Molotov cocktail "" is completely wrong. This is the fruit of Finnish patriotic humor. However, the recipe for a flammable liquid such as our KS is not known to me. Made from improvised means by mixing gasoline and a thickener. Fuel oil, thick lubricating oil, etc.
  • Seamaster
    Seamaster April 29 2017 08: 50 New
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    Then a colleague from Israel reproaches the same Stalin and his team for shooting their citizens, but the Jewish / Zionist leaders of their compatriots cherished and cherished.
    I’m sorry, uncle, but when they wanted to repatriate Jews from Germany to England before the war, the then Zionist leaders declared that either the Jews were going to Palestine or staying where they wanted.
    They stayed.
    In the ovens of Auschwitz.
    So the SS men are only performers.
    And the then leaders killed 6 million Jews.
    A smaller case.
    1947 (or 1948) year. One Jewish group (party) got hold of weapons to fight the British and brought them on a steamer (Altona?) To Haifa.
    Another JEWISH competing group blew up this ship right in the roadstead along with the JEWS on board.
    Israel still understands who was right and who was to blame (after all, a JEWISH NEVER BE GUILT)
    Nothing.
    Vote, Israeli colleague.
    Refute.
  • Moore
    Moore 7 May 2017 07: 30 New
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    Quote: forwarder

    What, problems with reading comprehension? Can't concentrate? Drink the medicine. They say it helps.

    Oh no no no. The poor fellow has merged. He began to pour in irresistible arguments.
  • Moore
    Moore 7 May 2017 07: 43 New
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    The creators of the immortal film about Stirlitz, for example, were consulted by a whole team of military historians with a rank not lower than a colonel.

    In fairness, it should be noted that in this excellent film there are a lot of mistakes. Well, for example, Kaltenbrunner alone wears the uniform of the cut and color established at that time - the army field sergeant. The rest flaunted in the works of Hugo Boss (yes, I know that he did not develop, but only made) black. Why - wears uniforms according to the rules of extradition? For the officers of the central apparatus, it is highly doubtful that four years have been introduced as new. Apparently, they did not leave the generally accepted stamps at that time.
    Well, Barbara Kraine, a loyal ally of the hooligan investigator, could not take place in principle. Frau and Froilan served exclusively in auxiliary units.
  • Sanya Terek
    Sanya Terek 2 August 2017 01: 25 New
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    forwarder,
    Quote: forwarder
    Quote: alexej123
    And the Cossacks fought for Soviet power too.

    In Russia, the Cossacks were a privileged nation. Maybe some geeks from among them fought for Soviet power. But mostly the Cossacks fought against her. And there was a reason. Therefore, then they either fled abroad, or were destroyed. Now there are practically no real Cossacks. Destroyed by Soviet power. Maybe someone else stayed. But this is no longer the people.

    A "connoisseur of the Cossacks," you yourself of which will be, Rhine, Loire or Baltic-skerry? It’s not possible to understand your flags. If you have mastered arithmetic at school, you can calculate how many Cossacks fought as part of the Red Army in the Civil War, compare the number of Cossacks who fought as part of the Russian Army in WWI and the number of who fought as part of the White Armies.