N. Arefyev: “Immediately after the war, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year”

N. Arefyev: “Immediately after the war, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year”



Now we are almost in a similar situation.

The Duma received a draft budget for the next year.

Nikolay Arefyev, Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship, talks about its parameters and related economic prospects to the KM.RU portal.

In the regions all impoverished, there is a complete collapse


- I always consider the budget together with the Plan of social and economic development. Let me remind you that the planning of the budget for three years ahead was rejected, but the Plan for socio-economic development was nevertheless drawn up for three years.

So let's see what sources of budget revenue will be provided to us by this Plan, for it is clear that the budget’s growth depends on the development of the economy. I can say that in the next three years there is nothing good.

As before, oil orientation remains, that is, the raw material model is fully operational. At the same time, for the next three years, an increase in oil prices is not predicted, and the government is not doing anything to raise the level of production.

Moreover, only 8% of our export oil is produced in new wells, everything else has been drilled in Soviet times. Sufficient investments in new wells are not being made, and tomorrow there will be nothing to pump. That is, even within the framework of the raw material model, the foundations of our well-being are undermined.

The real sector will remain in the same position, and hence the corresponding budget parameters. Not enough 2,5 trillion rubles! Accordingly, we will eat the "egg-cap". The National Wealth Fund at the time was created specifically to solve the issue of pensions. There is also the Reserve Fund, which was introduced for injections into the economy in the event of a budget deficit.

In all of these two funds, 10 trillion rubles is in total, and the entire annual budget is 15 trillion rubles. I note that the revenues from the regions are divided according to the principle of 70% - to the Federal Government, 30% remains in place. In the regions everything was impoverished, there was a complete collapse.

We must rely on their commodity production


Striking thing: immediately after the war, when there was a complete defeat of the economy, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year. Meanwhile, credit resources in Russia are 24% per annum, but there are no cheap loans.

The US imposes sanctions on us like a bear in a den, and we give them money, because we keep it there! And the West also gives us fines, for example, in the “YUKOS case”.

In a sense, we found ourselves in a position similar to what happened after the war, which means that now we should also rely on our own commodity production. Do not want the Soviet collective and state farms? Well, let there be agrofirms, it is important that agriculture develops. But the government is not engaged in this, and now we are buying potatoes from Egypt and Israel, although it is growing from us ...

Germany does not have raw materials, but in its GDP 84% is provided by the manufacturing industry, and we have only 9,5% of the goods consumed - our production.

Holes in the budget are proposed to be patched by saving on pensions and increasing the mineral extraction tax. The issue with MET is not yet resolved; it is still on the conscience of the Duma. Export customs duties on oil and gas are planned to remain at the current level. As a result, raw materials are being sent to the West cheaply, and they want to compensate for the short-received money at the expense of their domestic market.

The president said he would have to tighten his belt. Well, the billionaire oligarchs would have tightened their belts. But no, all crisis phenomena they want to repay at the expense of pensioners.
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  1. Temples 28 October 2015 14: 44 New
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    The president said he would have to tighten his belt. Well, the billionaire oligarchs would have tightened their belts. But no, all crisis phenomena they want to repay at the expense of pensioners.


    So the Government has a crisis only because they have to pay pensioners.
    It is necessary to execute social programs.
    But they are not hunting. For this, they also want to postpone the retirement age.
    They say in plain text that the number of pensioners is a problem for them - there is no way to ensure it.
    So they decided there - "He who bothers us will help us !!!"
    Therefore, pensioners must provide money to the government.
    The iron logic is that the pensioner needs to pay, and if the pensioner is forced to work, the employer will pay him. In addition, deductions will go to the pension fund.
    Run to the grave. Liberalism!!!
    But the oligarchs-billionaires and bankers have no crisis. The government is helping them.
    1. Penetrator 28 October 2015 14: 50 New
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      They said so much about the progressive scale of taxation on individuals, but no progress is and is not expected. Well, well, "if you raise taxes, then wealthy citizens will hide their income and property from the fiscal authorities." But it is much easier to get from a state employee and a pensioner - they are not capable of any fraud with taxes, by definition. Does the “native” government set another experiment on survival over citizens? Well, well .. Only if the rulers do not want to answer to the people, then a crowd will come to them and ask in full.
      1. Babr 28 October 2015 15: 02 New
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        In the September issue of the National Business magazine for 1953, in an article by Herbert Harris, “Russians are catching up with us,” it was noted that the USSR is faster than any country in terms of the growth rate of economic power and that the current growth rate in the USSR is 2-3 times higher. than in the USA.

        At the same time and at the same time, the Americans noted with horror that raising the standard of living and strengthening the institution of the family in the USSR will inevitably lead to a population explosion, as a result of which the population of 1/6 of the land by the end of the century will be half a billion people.


        But the Japanese billionaire, Herosi Terawama, spoke most precisely of all:


        “You are not talking about the main thing, about your leading role in the world. In 1939, you Russians were smart, and we Japanese were fools. In 1949, you became even smarter, and we were fools so far. And in 1955 we got smarter, and you turned into five-year-olds.

        Our entire economic system is almost completely copied from yours, with the only difference being that we have capitalism, private producers, and we never achieved more than 15% growth, while you, with public ownership of the means of production, reached 30% or more. All of our firms have your slogans of the Stalin era. ”
        1. The lead 28 October 2015 16: 03 New
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          It is interesting that GDP is preventing the economy from achieving the same results that the USSR achieved before and after the Second World War? After all, there were fantastic growth rates and at the same time social benefits were guaranteed for the population, huge investments were made in the defense industry, space, science and the quality of life was higher in the 70-80s than now. You don’t need to invent anything, there is experience, analyze and apply it in practice. As he explains all this to himself, I don’t understand what excuses he finds. In the first term, the GDP once said, they say why finance the army, money is still stolen. However, Medvedev appeared, who began to support the military-industrial complex and the army. Maybe something is missing on the issue of economic development, some impulse, it may be necessary to return the Communist Party to power, put Zyuganov as prime minister and then GDP can deal with foreign policy, and the Communist Party of the domestic?
          1. Gardamir 28 October 2015 16: 16 New
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            GDP once said, they say, why finance the army, money is still stolen.
            Only after the Libyan events did they take up the army.
            1. The lead 28 October 2015 16: 48 New
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              Quote: Gardamir
              Only after the Libyan events did they take up the army.
              After the war with Georgia, it became clear that the Georgian army was better equipped than the Russian one, which was a cold shower for Medvedev.
          2. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 16: 30 New
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            Quote: Lead
            Zyuganov’s prime minister and then GDP can deal with foreign policy, and the Communist Party of the domestic?

            I will continue your opinion: the CPRF will burn all the gold reserves to support a strong ruble, after which the oil drops to $ 15 per barrel and becomes unprofitable in production, the population that is now ending up from Stalinism goes to the red square, blows the whole power away and Russia falls to pieces several dozen mini-states, by analogy with the USSR
            1. The lead 28 October 2015 16: 46 New
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              Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
              I will continue your opinion:
              No, that's not my opinion. The Communist Party wasted your thoughts and no more. Oil falls or rises at the direction of Washington, the Communist Party has nothing to do with it.
              Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
              the population, which is now ending from Stalinism, goes to the Red Square, demolishes all power
              The people will be busy at thousands of construction sites of new factories and plants. The budget will be intensively replenished from the manufacturing sector of the economy, there will be money for social programs, the army and science. an ally.
              1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 16: 54 New
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                Quote: Lead
                No, this is not my opinion. The Communist Party of Communist Party is your speculation and nothing more. Oil is falling or rising at the behest of Washington, the Communist Party has nothing to do with it.

                And who finances the Communist Party? And from where? And where does this person have money?
                Quote: Lead
                The people will be busy working on thousands of construction sites of new factories and plants. The budget will be intensively replenished from the manufacturing sector of the economy, there will be money for social programs, the army and science.

                Ok, where to get the primary capital for these projects?
                Quote: Lead
                The Russian Federation is becoming a centripetal attractive force for all the states surrounding it, which we will meticulously check for the right to become our ally.

                The Russian Federation, as the central force, ended in 92, and only with 2008, weak prospects are visible.
                1. The lead 28 October 2015 17: 14 New
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                  Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                  And who finances the Communist Party?
                  What does it matter. Before the revolution, revolutionaries were supported by representatives of Russian business.
                  Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                  Ok, where to get the primary capital for these projects?
                  There is money.
                  Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                  The Russian Federation, as a central force, ended in the year 92
                  The Russian Federation has tremendous potential for economic growth, we have everything for this, except the desire to invest in economic development, except the desire to fight corruption, theft, capital flight, monopolism, speculation, and the desire to establish a state monopoly on the realization of natural wealth, on production and sale alcohol and tobacco products.
                  1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 16 New
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                    Quote: Lead
                    What does it matter. Before the revolution, revolutionaries were supported by representatives of Russian business.

                    "When the money of your elite lies in our banks, you still think whose elite it is: yours is no longer yours" © Brzezinski. A smart person, by the way.
                    Quote: Lead
                    There is money.

                    Well, where are they?
                    Quote: Lead
                    The potential for economic growth, we have everything for this, except for the desire to invest in economic development, except for the desire to fight corruption, theft, capital flight, monopolism, speculation, except for the desire to establish a state monopoly on the realization of natural wealth, on the production and sale of alcohol and tobacco products.

                    Sami is now offering a commodity economy, and talking about "industrialization"
                2. dmi.pris 28 October 2015 17: 18 New
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                  Here you tell me where was and how much primary capital after the war .. The question is in the SYSTEM ... It's just that the GDP is afraid to affect its close associates, they depend on each other ... WILD CAPITALISM ... The way out is nationalization, the seizure of assets, etc.
                  Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                  Quote: Lead
                  No, this is not my opinion. The Communist Party of Communist Party is your speculation and nothing more. Oil is falling or rising at the behest of Washington, the Communist Party has nothing to do with it.

                  And who finances the Communist Party? And from where? And where does this person have money?
                  Quote: Lead
                  The people will be busy working on thousands of construction sites of new factories and plants. The budget will be intensively replenished from the manufacturing sector of the economy, there will be money for social programs, the army and science.

                  Ok, where to get the primary capital for these projects?
                  Quote: Lead
                  The Russian Federation is becoming a centripetal attractive force for all the states surrounding it, which we will meticulously check for the right to become our ally.

                  The Russian Federation, as the central force, ended in 92, and only with 2008, weak prospects are visible.
                  1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 19 New
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                    Quote: dmi.pris
                    Tell me, where was and how much the primary capital after the war ..

                    Primary capital was still before the war, but provided it ... Hateful Stalinists Germany, France, USA and UK
                    1. Wheel 28 October 2015 21: 41 New
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                      Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                      Primary capital was still before the war, but provided it ... Hateful Stalinists Germany, France, USA and UK
                      If you carefully look at the history of that time, it turns out that in addition to Germany, no one provided loans to the USSR.
                      Naglosaks and French were paid in gold.
                      So, purely for the sake of historical justice.
                      1. dog1965 29 October 2015 06: 57 New
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                        Unfortunately, the arrogant Saxons gave us a “golden blockade” in the 30s and took only raw materials. And several years in general only with grain. Which led to the "famine." So then, too, they drove raw materials to the West, but they invested not in a small box or on yachts with limousines and palaces, but in real factories, as well as science and education.
                      2. goose 29 October 2015 14: 06 New
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                        Quote: Dog1965
                        Which led to the "famine."

                        Not only this.
                        An attempt to bury grain in bulk in Ukraine led to the fact that more than 60% of the grain simply rotted in the ground. What caused this? In part, by the illiterate leadership of their own countrymen, such as Khrushchev, who openly plundered certain areas of personal disagreement in order to rub points to the authorities. And also, at least half, the vile reconciliation of the poor’s personal accounts with respect to the fists and hard workers.
                        There was no rain in the Volga region, and the bread burned out and withered. The state’s ability to store and move available rye grain was limited, because there was a famine in some regions.
                3. goose 29 October 2015 14: 01 New
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                  Quote: dmi.pris
                  Here you tell me where was and how much primary capital after the war .. The question is in the SYSTEM ... It's just that the GDP is afraid to affect its close associates, they depend on each other ... WILD CAPITALISM ... The way out is nationalization, the seizure of assets, etc.

                  How right you are, by all indications in our country, wild capitalism of the mid-19th century model. With all the attributes - monopoly, oligarchy, maintenance on content, corruption in favor of moneybags, low literacy, military bias in the development of markets, the level of salaries of employees just for survival, the absence of trade unions, reduced requirements for quality and safety, low production efficiency in relation to the overall development of science and technology.
              2. goose 29 October 2015 13: 54 New
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                Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
                Ok, where to get the primary capital for these projects?

                You believe it, no, it is not needed on a country scale like the USSR. Money is released in a targeted manner for a project. Upon completion of construction, the monetary imbalance is restored with a gain in the form of existing production, profitable. As a result, everything is built in any quantities, with a chronic lack of capital. Read normal books on economics, including in western.
            2. NordUral 28 October 2015 17: 15 New
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              And yet, the people will not drink too much, as now throughout Russia. He will have a vision of the horizon for the country as a whole and work worthy of man.
          3. NordUral 28 October 2015 17: 13 New
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            In a normal manufacturing economy, we will spit how much oil costs in foreign markets.
            1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 23 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              RџSЂRё normal a production economy, we will spit out how much oil costs on foreign markets.

              I singled out the key word. From the competitive industry, the Russian Federation has only the MIC, the rest is either illiquid luxury, or ... well, you understand that.
              There is a potential for the development of the service sector, but give the people "industrialization", so that SU is being delayed
          4. MrK
            MrK 28 October 2015 17: 46 New
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            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            the population that is now ending from Stalinism is devastating all power and Russia is falling apart into several dozen mini-states, by analogy with the USSR


            And after that ends Sukhoi_T-50.
            1. Penetrator 28 October 2015 18: 14 New
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              Quote: mrark
              And after that ends Sukhoi_T-50.

              He needs to finish in the brain, otherwise the brain is completely dry in the brow. All his statements can be reduced to the same denominator: "Omeriha - cool, Raska - shit" In general, a strange character, in vain, released him from a psychiatric hospital.
              1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 43 New
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                Quote: Penetrator
                All his statements can be brought to the same denominator: "Omeriga is cool, Raska-gov

                Are you sick? Where was I obsi.ral Russia? Or "Who is not with us, that is our enemy" ??? I still heard a lot of "I do not want" these slogans. In short, go to treat shizu
          5. bubla5 28 October 2015 18: 13 New
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            That's because of these smart things all go to hell
            1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 45 New
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              Quote: bubla5
              That's because of these smart things all go to hell

              Well, it’s very easy to look for the guilty, but what can you offer?
              1. bubla5 28 October 2015 19: 45 New
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                It’s just time to stop or consolidate the term of power of one party for no more than 5 years, otherwise the same thing has already fallen into a rage, the thief on the thief, and most importantly, has stolen smiling over the hill, but they know and let them steal
              2. Gardamir 28 October 2015 21: 15 New
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                , but you yourself can offer
                Glazyev won, so they sent him.
                1. asiat_61 29 October 2015 00: 16 New
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                  As always in Russia: there is no prophet in his own country ..
          6. avia1991 28 October 2015 19: 24 New
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            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            The Communist Party will burn all gold reserves to support a strong ruble, after which oil drops to $ 15 per barrel and becomes unprofitable in production,

            You rave, sir!
            If you are not in the know: Sergey Glazyev is a member of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, one of the main specialists of the Communists in economics. AND HE DOES NOT SUCH ANYTHING!
            But the need to develop their own production - with the help of which the ruble will be strengthened - the Communists are constantly talking, it is a fact!
            As for oil "for 15 bucks" - do not worry: inside the country it will never fall so cheaply! And oil production will not stop - it will simply begin to occur on the principle of REASONABLE SUFFICIENCY.
            1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 19: 28 New
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              Quote: avia1991
              And oil production will not stop - it will simply begin to occur on the principle of REASONABLE SUFFICIENCY.

              Comrade, it’s hard to find something reasonable in our guide request
              Simply, all losses from exports will be offset by the domestic market.
              1. avia1991 28 October 2015 20: 49 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                all export losses will be offset by the domestic market.
                For all the vastness of our country, dear Stroporez, it will not work to compensate for ALL the losses of oil workers - the government does not need a hunger riot. So they will also "tighten their belts": sturgeon not three times a day, but only two, to rest in EGYPT, and not everyone in their own way - but 3-4 oligarchs on the plane .. well, etc. wassat
                1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 21: 03 New
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                  Quote: avia1991
                  So they will also "tighten their belts": sturgeon not three times a day, but only two, to rest in EGYPT

                  Dear, Comrade, they will certainly tighten their belts, but exclusively on the neck of the People.
                  These “gentlemen” were not used to refusing themselves, and 140 miles of slave wool would be happy to give the last in the name of false patriotic victories, they would spare the “strength of Siberia” and rejoice in their unusual diameters, laid pipes ... and the forests under Irkutsk would thin out. ..
                  sadness ....
                  1. Sober 29 October 2015 09: 55 New
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                    What greatness you have, comrade. The kings did not try.
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          7. goose 29 October 2015 13: 53 New
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            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            I will continue your opinion: the CPRF will burn all the gold reserves to support a strong ruble, after which the oil drops to $ 15 per barrel and becomes unprofitable in production, the population that is now ending up from Stalinism goes to the red square, blows the whole power away and Russia falls to pieces several dozen mini-states, by analogy with the USSR

            The cost of production in Rosneft <$ 3 per barrel, why at 15 would be unprofitable?
        2. tomket 28 October 2015 16: 31 New
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          Quote: Lead
          Interestingly, what prevents the GDP to achieve in the economy the same results that were achieved in the USSR before and after the Second World War?

          Have mercy !!! Siluanova with Ulyukaev and iPhoneobludets big toad will sign a debit !!! Not for that, they saved up a denyuzhku that would squander on the different enterprises !!!
        3. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 16: 41 New
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          Quote: Lead
          Interestingly, what prevents the GDP to achieve in the economy the same results that were achieved in the USSR before and after the Second World War?

          What kind of success? The notorious industrialization is nothing more than the result of the activities of American and European dealers who saw in the Soviet Union a huge market for their products. But because of the "genius" of the Soviet leadership, which imagined itself an independent player in world politics and economics, we had to crush us China here is not riveting and its GDP growth is 7% / year.
          1. The lead 28 October 2015 17: 01 New
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            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            The notorious industrialization is nothing more than the result of the activities of American and European businessmen,
            Why did de-industrialization take place in 90 in the Russian Federation? Why didn’t the policemen help us to maintain the solvency of the huge market, but simply collapsed it?
            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            .China is not rocking
            Do you think that the foreign policy of GDP in Crimea, Syria is a mistake? We need to sit and not rock the boat, loot above all?
            1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 17: 19 New
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              Quote: Lead
              Why did de-industrialization take place in 90 in the Russian Federation? Why didn’t the policemen help us to maintain the solvency of the huge market, but simply collapsed it?

              Would you give your competitor to have independent financial resources? In 90, the system “Raw money-various gadgets” was built. The accounts of the Russian elite are in the west in order to avoid attempts to gain square.
              Quote: Lead
              Do you think that the foreign policy of GDP in Crimea, Syria is a mistake? We need to sit and not rock the boat, loot above all?
              No, I just had to understand that I would have to taste the “delights” of isolation, and not jump like Aki Maydauns with cries in the style “reached Berlin, and we will reach Washington”
          2. EvgNik 28 October 2015 17: 08 New
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            Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
            The notorious industrialization is nothing more than the result of the activities of American and European businessmen who saw in the Soviet Union a huge market for their products

            And when did the West help us rise from its knees? Rather, it would be possible - would have finished.
            1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 26 New
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              Quote: EvgNik
              Quote: Sukhoy_T-50
              The notorious industrialization is nothing more than the result of the activities of American and European businessmen who saw in the Soviet Union a huge market for their products

              And when did the West help us rise from its knees? Rather, it would be possible - would have finished.

              It was when we were a profitable trading partner who could temporarily write off some complexes, when Luftwaffe bombed western cities and factories
          3. NordUral 28 October 2015 17: 16 New
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            You are not a T-50, you are an F-16, but for a simple reason - a troll.
            1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 17: 36 New
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              You and I didn’t switch to "you", did you, my dear?
              Do not think that I merge, I will go right now to the store and come back
            2. Penetrator 28 October 2015 18: 35 New
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              Quote: NordUral
              You are not a T-50, you are an F-16, but for a simple reason - a troll.

              Do not get fooled by provocation. He is up to an experienced troll (like our Israeli Professor), like to Paris with cancer.
        4. dmi.pris 28 October 2015 17: 11 New
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          But what’s stopping you from knowing? Peacefulness to your environment, it’s easier to engage in talking more than a long time to plant a couple of dozen from the Kremlin camarilla, and publicly put some to the wall ..
          Quote: Lead
          It is interesting that GDP is preventing the economy from achieving the same results that the USSR achieved before and after the Second World War? After all, there were fantastic growth rates and at the same time social benefits were guaranteed for the population, huge investments were made in the defense industry, space, science and the quality of life was higher in the 70-80s than now. You don’t need to invent anything, there is experience, analyze and apply it in practice. As he explains all this to himself, I don’t understand what excuses he finds. In the first term, the GDP once said, they say why finance the army, money is still stolen. However, Medvedev appeared, who began to support the military-industrial complex and the army. Maybe something is missing on the issue of economic development, some impulse, it may be necessary to return the Communist Party to power, put Zyuganov as prime minister and then GDP can deal with foreign policy, and the Communist Party of the domestic?
          1. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 18: 28 New
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            Quote: dmi.pris
            put a couple of dozen of the Kremlin camarilla for a long time, and put some people in public against the wall ..

            I see that some comrades do not get it that, apart from the language of bullets, there are other levers of influence.
          2. Uncle Joe 28 October 2015 22: 50 New
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            Quote: dmi.pris
            But what’s stopping you? Peacefulness to your environment, it’s easier to engage in talking more than a long time to plant a couple of dozen from the Kremlin camarilla, and to put some in public to the wall.
            Yes Christmas trees - sticks laughing

            Why is this "peace-loving" all the time served in the sense that he, he says, is a good man, but his environment, friends, relatives, feelings, affection, are easier, but not easier?

            This kind of "peacefulness" always has the same reason - the complete identity of the goals, meanings, interests and moral qualities of the environment surrounded by the goals, meanings, interests and moral qualities of the environment.
        5. EvgNik 28 October 2015 17: 12 New
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          Quote: Lead
          put Zyuganov as prime minister

          And another oligarch will appear. If he calls himself a communist, then this has long been a habit.
          1. The lead 28 October 2015 17: 24 New
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            Quote: EvgNik
            And another oligarch will appear. If he calls himself a communist, then this has long been a habit.
            I don’t know what you base your opinion on. I got the impression that Zyuganov knows what to do, is ready and full of energy to put knowledge into practice, he is a true patriot.
            1. EvgNik 28 October 2015 18: 19 New
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              Quote: Lead
              I got the impression that Zyuganov knows what to do

              I have an absolutely opposite impression. In general, in my life I saw only one communist (unfortunately, I don’t remember his last name and don’t know what happened to him now), he simply shone from the ideas of communism. And the rest, so, dust in the wind.
              1. The lead 28 October 2015 18: 28 New
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                Quote: EvgNik
                And in general in my life I saw only one communist
                To be a real communist, you don’t need to shine from ideas. Well, what kind of criterion do you have for yourself? A communist person who works hard knows how to work for the good of the state and people — that’s enough.
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            Yes, more noise. In fact, he is afraid, and suddenly they will elect, then he will not have to criticize and declare, but he will have to do something.
        6. Corporal Valera 28 October 2015 18: 00 New
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          Interestingly, what prevents the GDP to achieve in the economy the same results that were achieved in the USSR before and after the Second World War?

          The Russian government
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            Quote: Corporal Valera
            Quote: Lead
            Interestingly, what prevents the GDP to achieve in the economy the same results that were achieved in the USSR before and after the Second World War?
            The Russian government

            Which he appointed.
        7. bubla5 28 October 2015 18: 12 New
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          The greed of private property, everyone builds at the expense of the state, and the pancake goes into private hands, magic, the external debt of private enterprises has grown to what extent, they know that the state will pay the courts
        8. ancient 28 October 2015 18: 45 New
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          Interestingly, what prevents the GDP to achieve in the economy the same results that were achieved in the USSR before and after the Second World War?


          Wow, what are you .. asking a "provocative" question wink
          Although .. why is it not clear lol

        9. avia1991 28 October 2015 19: 18 New
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          However, Medvedev appeared, who began to support the military-industrial complex and the army.

          You didn’t fall from the oak tree, dear? When did the iPhone support the army?
          Here is Putin - yes, at the beginning of his activity, when the Second Chechen war was taking place, he was able to rely precisely on the army, promised them that he would solve their problems gradually, and kept his word!
          And DAM .. what or am I forgetting someone?
          1. The lead 28 October 2015 20: 18 New
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            And DAM .. or did I forget someone?
            Rather, the latter. It happens. Medvedev really initiated a budget turn towards the military-industrial complex. Maybe you recall the scene of Medvedev’s dive with Kudrin, where Kudrin protested against the increase in defense spending and said that they say he would ask for support from the GDP. Medvedev said that Kudrin could contact anyone, but he is currently the president of the Russian Federation.
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            I could rely on the army,
            Leaning does not mean financing the army.
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            promised them that gradually their problems would be solved
            I don’t remember that he promised something similar and what he had in mind, but only Medvedev began to spin the flywheel of financing the military-industrial complex.
            1. avia1991 28 October 2015 21: 16 New
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              only the Medvedev began to spin the flywheel of financing the defense industry.

              Do you seriously think that DAM as President was an independent figure? .. Sorry - I think this is not so. One independent decision is well known: "abstinence" regarding the bombing of Libya. What this led to - we are witnessing to this day!
              GDP, being the prime minister, got the opportunity to thoroughly tackle the economy, and it was from the government that the initiative to increase funding for the Defense Ministry and the defense industry went. Then, by the way, Taburetkin appeared, with his own reforms. And Medvedev was "insofar as".
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                that DAM as president was an independent figure?
                Let’s not engage in conspiracy theology, to analyze how independent the figure of the president of the Russian Federation is. He wrote above that the GDP said in its first term, lovingly saying: why increase the funding of the army, money is still stolen. Based on this statement, we can conclude that the GDP was against increasing financing Army. Therefore, the fact that the funding of the army under Medvedev was increased indicates that the initiative came from Medvedev, and the GDP only supported it, as the second person of the state.
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                And Medvedev was "insofar as".
                Medvedev was the president of the Russian Federation, and not insofar as.
                1. avia1991 29 October 2015 00: 01 New
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                  Medvedev was the president of the Russian Federation,

                  ..for ONE reason: Putin could not run for a third term in a row, and he did not want to lose power.
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                  Based on this statement, it can be concluded that GDP was against increasing funding for the army

                  Maybe yes - or maybe not: you yourself said that he uttered this phrase, oo-o-o-o-o-o-o! wink
                  I will also allow myself to recall that in the first two terms, Putin was able to minimize Russia's external public debt, as well as make some savings - thanks to which, ultimately, there was an opportunity to increase funding for the army. During the presidency, Putin simply did not have time to approach this. But the foundation has already been laid!
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                  the fact of increased funding for the army under Medvedev suggests
                  This fact, excuse me, indicates that the Prime Minister quite successfully held the financial block of the government “by the throat”. What obviously cannot be said today about the premiere of Medvedev hi
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                    .for one reason: Putin could not run for a third term in a row, and he did not want to lose power.
                    It does not change anything.
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                    Maybe yes - maybe not:
                    No options were against. What are you talking about, look at the facts directly.
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                    Putin was able to minimize Russia's external public debt, as well as make some savings - thanks to which, ultimately,
                    Facts, only facts, and they are as follows: only Medvedev increased funding for the defense industry; everything else that you deign to speak voluminously is a lyricist.
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                    did not have time to approach this
                    He did not do what he had to do as a guarantor of the country's security. We are still raking the flagrant underfunding of the defense industry, which was before him and with him, and we can’t rake it.
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                    an opportunity to increase funding for the army
                    There was money, and then, it was possible and needed to be found. The GDP itself indicated that the reason was not in funds, but in theft.
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                    that the Prime Minister quite successfully held the financial block of the government “by the throat”. What obviously cannot be said today about the premiere of Medvedev
                    I didn’t find the logic. VVP was holding by the throat, so there was money for the defense industry, but now Medvedev doesn’t hold the money by your throat, because now the money goes to the defense industry belay
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                      There was money and then, it was possible and needed to be found.

                      Were you the finance minister at that time? Sorry - did not admit wassat
                      Money began to appear with rising oil prices. Which began to rise in 2004, in the fall, and before that it was at the level of 20 bucks. MONEY WASN'T! If you are so young that you do not remember the financial picture of that time - then do not powder the brains of the rest.
                      With the beginning of the active growth of the oil industry, the financial resources of Russia began to grow .. which Putin launched to pay off foreign debt, which washed out big amounts from the budget in the form of interest.
                      Note: in addition to purely economic preferences, this also provided greater scope for independent political decisions! For nothing so effectively "convinces" anyone in politics to agree with your opinion, as an unobtrusive reminder of duty wink
                      By the way, this was one of our trump cards when deciding on military assistance to South Ossetia.
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                      only facts, and they are: only Medvedev increased defense financing

                      Ah, ah! By chance, are you from the team that in the last month has suddenly started to actively whiten Mr. Ayfonchik? Do not push - it will not work!
                      As for your disregard for the "lyrics", let me say that if you adhere to the principle of "only facts" - then .. Russia was liberated from the Mongol-Tatars by Ivan the Third, AND ONLY IT! And "all sorts of others" - Ivan Kalita, Dmitry Donskoy, Vasily the First, etc. - they have nothing to do with it!
                      Creating the prerequisites for the possibility of decision-making - political or economic - AN INTEGRAL PART of these decisions. Otherwise, Medvedev could increase funding for the army by “zeroing out” PFs, cutting salaries and housing and communal services expenses, etc. - simply because THERE WERE not to take the necessary funds.
                      What do you think: would the citizens of Russia be very happy with such decisions?
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                      Glad to meet an attentive and judicious observer

                      If you are talking about “parsing my comment,” I want to note that prudence is good when it is based on knowledge. And the stupid desire to prove "I am RIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK THIS SO" is not for the Sober, actually hi
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                      judiciousness is good when it is based on knowledge. And the stupid desire to prove "I am RIGHT, BECAUSE I THINK SO I THINK" is not for the Sober, actually


                      good
                      Unfortunately, there are enough such "counters" here
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                      Were you the finance minister at that time? Sorry - did not admit
                      Does it reach you slowly? Indicate the length of your neck, it’s curiously simple. I repeat, the GDP indicated the reason for the underfunding of the army not in the absence of funds, but in theft, and thus the defense budget could be increased at that time.
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                      which in the last month has suddenly started to actively “whiten” Mr. Ayfonchik?
                      Labeling is a typical technique of a jingoistic patriot who can only do vile lies.
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                      let me notice
                      Let your grandmother, she may believe you the nonsense that you deign to bear here.
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                      they have nothing to do with it!
                      You’ll still drag Ivan the Terrible !!! Like, if it weren’t for the totality of the premises heroically created by Grozny, there would be no increase in the budget in 2008. Rest.
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              I am glad to meet an attentive and judicious observer of what is happening.
      2. your1970 28 October 2015 19: 38 New
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        are you ready to work like in 40-50? to go there where no one is waiting for you, in the taiga, to mosquitoes, or to a village without water, a toilet and the Internet? Where will they send to work after the institute?
        Ask the young 25-35 summers — will they go?
        I even know the address where they will send you ...
        People mow down from the army in fear criminal liability- And you: to work not out of fear, but for conscience, to the machine tool, to the milkbox ... What do you offer them to drive into the village and to the factory? With a salary? So they will answer you in the guard 24 hours a day after reading three newspapers-1200 change, and in the field for the same money it is necessary to coffin in black ...

        They remembered Zyuganov — he was the same communist as I was a ballerina — not, I’m even better. He would have been slapped into the Civil as a counter right there, and even later he wouldn’t put him under a communist — I couldn’t .....
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          Are you ready to work like in 40-50? go there where no one is waiting for you, in the taiga
          You exaggerate. It is possible to provide normal salaries to builders, normal living conditions and people will go.
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          What do you offer them to drive to the village and to the factory?
          The same thing that is why people are now going to work in the factory and factories. There is no point in your words.
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          Zyuganov remembered, he is the same communist as I am a ballerina
          If you are not a communist, then you have no moral right to judge the communists. Your zombie aggression against Zyuganov is probably based on media agitation, in which all those who can make up at least some opposition to the GDP are poured with mud.
          1. your1970 29 October 2015 16: 46 New
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            Immediately about the Communists, there was such a fashion in the army of conscripts to join the party in 80. I passed, although they had just persuaded me not with my feet ...
            Aggression towards Zyuganov is based on a number of facts; listing is pointless
            Regarding youth in factories, ask at the forum a lot of youth in factories are working now and they will answer you.
      3. Alexey1 28 October 2015 21: 43 New
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        We are not a sovereign country in the field of finance, that’s why.
      4. Uncle Joe 28 October 2015 22: 33 New
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        Interestingly, what prevents the GDP to achieve in the economy the same results that were achieved in the USSR before and after the Second World War?
        The goals are different.
      5. Ilya77 29 October 2015 11: 28 New
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        Likely it hinders the fact that a certain stratum of leaders is hindering, but there were all kinds of National projects there, where are their results now? The effectiveness of the economy depends on the effectiveness of management, first of all, managers should have their eyes burn and there should be zeal and a desire to build and do something. Start with yourself - you look and simple people pull themselves up, will understand that the system is not against you.
      6. goose 29 October 2015 13: 01 New
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        It's not about the central figures. There are completely no teams with a normal education that could think systemically at the level of the State Planning Committee + lobby of capital living from monopoly rents. There are only populists and schemers in the Government. Normal doing something peck, because they do not have time for beautiful reports and intrigues.
        As an example, the unsinkable Shoigu, in his department, put in perfect order, as far as possible, but how much time he could not move up? 15 years!!! At the same time, frank mediocrity and vomit climbed up, koi and 2 years could not stay in power due to a complete mess and lawlessness. It is necessary to dismiss 100% in the Government, and to recruit 22-year-old graduates of technical universities, only normally trained. Unnatural sciences (lawyers, economists, accountants, philologists, political scientists, etc.) can be casteously reduced to the level of service of business processes, and legally cut off from real money. Because for them it is not a resource, as for a techie, but, an end in itself, a means of improving their standard of living. In real life, managers are not needed without applied knowledge. And now most of them have divorced.
    2. NordUral 28 October 2015 17: 10 New
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      And in 1955 we got smarter, and you turned into five-year-olds.
      What put the bloody insignificance of Khrushchev at the head of a great country? With this scum, our fall began. And only a huge scientific and technical Stalinist reserve and inspired by the Victory and confident then the people still allowed a couple of decades to move forward, and at first quite confidently, but gradually slowing down, led us to the 91st year.
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      About the Japanese - yes, I read the book of the Soviet journalist, he came to Japan in the 80s to production and was stunned when he saw Soviet slogans on the wall (in this case, the slogan was everything). The braking in the manufacturing industry, by the way, also began for the reason that under Stalin, let's say you overfulfilled the plan by 150-200%, they will pay you accordingly, and under Khrushchev it began - you overfulfill the plan - you cut the standards, you won nothing. And now here we have the same system in the factory, they can’t come up with anything else.
  2. mikh-korsakov 28 October 2015 15: 15 New
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    In all the most developed states with progressive taxes, some citizens hide their income, but they are caught and publicly punished. Ah, wealthy citizens will hide their income and property from fiscal authorities. So to catch a few concealers and publicly flog, the rest will hide their income secretly and little by little.
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      And some are always caught for show.
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      2. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 17: 29 New
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        Quote: Sober
        And some are always caught for show.


        Dear Alexander, if they “catch” everyone, in a couple of years there will be no one to function in the regions and all kinds of thoughts, and the EDR’s office will be in Magadan, at the location of the majority of members. yes

        I don’t know about the whole country, in the Krasnodar Territory it is exactly so, colleague. hi
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          I agree with you, Vladimir, on the whole.
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      the rest will hide their income secretly and little by little.


      Liberal Russians do not know how to steal little by little, consumer instincts outweigh self-preservation instincts - and why not steal when even the most prominent thieves were not shot or even planted (except that the materials on them are kept in a compromising safe).
      And time goes and goes: they even forgot when they grabbed the first million, and at the same time they feel excellent ...
      1. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 18: 55 New
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        Liberal Russians do not know how to steal little by little, consumer instincts outweigh the instincts of self-preservation - why not steal when even the most prominent thieves were not shot or even planted (except that the materials on them are kept in a compromising safe).


        Dear hydrox, in our realities it’s time to talk not about the safe, but at least about the storage, cubes for a couple of thousand. In a smaller volume all the compromising material does not fit. yes
    3. vovanpain 28 October 2015 16: 19 New
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      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      In all the most developed states with progressive taxes, some citizens hide their income, but they are caught and publicly punished.

      You believe in this.
      1. Karabanov 28 October 2015 18: 17 New
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        You believe in this.

        Koresh Putin, Romka Abramovich ... Eh, with such happiness and at large.
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          . Oh, with such happiness and freedom.

          Mrs. Skrynnik is also free, the Cote d'Azur is her monastery and, notice, only the Swiss prosecutor's office took care of the origin of 60 million raccoons on the accounts of this ex-minister of agriculture.
          Wai-wai, the Swiss prosecutor’s office is interesting, but ours isn’t, is it strange, right?
          1. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 19: 36 New
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            Mrs. Skrynnik is also free, the Cote d'Azur is her monastery and, notice, only the Swiss prosecutor's office took care of the origin of 60 million raccoons on the accounts of this ex-minister of agriculture.
            Wai-wai, the Swiss prosecutor’s office is interesting, but ours isn’t, is it strange, right?


            Dear Stroporez, but what's so strange about that? There are all there, only the shores are different, who has the Cote d'Azur, who has Florida. The prosecutor’s office cannot be interested in all the supreme power, they won’t understand in the world. wassat hi
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  3. Col. 28 October 2015 15: 22 New
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    They said so much about the progressive scale of taxation on individuals, but no progress is and is not expected.

    This is because laws are being adopted in the interests of an insignificant minority of rich people who are rich in robbing their own country and their own people.
    "The police must protect the people from the robbers, but in reality they protect only the rich, and the rich are the real robbers, they only rob us, hiding behind the laws that they themselves come up with" ... (Nikolai Nosov "Dunno on the Moon", 1964 year)

    And some simpletons, processed by the court media, continue to naively believe in a fairy tale about the good king and evil boyars ...
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    Yeah, maidan!
  5. hydrox 28 October 2015 15: 31 New
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    then a crowd will come to them and ask in full.


    Not earlier than Putin gives the command “Fas!” ... but when it happens, and whether it will happen at all, “this mystery is unknown”, because Putin has abstained from three possible answers to one question (for, against, refrained) there will always be six, with four more in the form of “plan B,” which he will not even voice.
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    then a crowd will come to them and ask in full.
    they’ll call it the fifth column, which is now being done, if you criticize it means a liberalist.
  7. Asadullah 28 October 2015 16: 37 New
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    Here is the RF budget for the 15th year:

    Here is a list of the richest people in the Russian Federation, with notes on how much they lost during the year: http://www.forbes.ru/rating/200-bogateishikh-biznesmenov-rossii-2015/2015

    On average, 15-20% is obtained. How much has the income of a pensioner and state employee decreased over the year?

    Crowd speak? Self-organized and in orderly rows will go to ask in full? Or all the same, someone will organize?
    1. avia1991 28 October 2015 19: 32 New
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      Crowd speak? Self-organized and in orderly rows will go to ask in full? Or all the same, someone will organize?

      organizing a crowd on an action is fraught .. it’s easier to organize an Action - and then connecting a crowd for support.
      1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 19: 39 New
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        and then connect the crowd for support.

        In my time, the crowd was called PEOPLE! yes
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        easier to organize Action

        give out ammo and stick bayonets fellow
        1. avia1991 28 October 2015 20: 23 New
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          give out ammo and stick bayonets

          We are in stock, Stroporez - at least I think that you are also in stock smile . This means that the bayonets must be joined by others, and not to string all the wrong, but to protect those who are right from them!
          Bloody revolutions were enough, it was time to stop. Just to dispossess the time of all unjustly earned billions wassat And then - whoever wants to, let him stay and work, whoever is dissatisfied - let him bring down all four! When poisonous teeth are taken out from a snake - it can only hiss request Khodorkovsky is an example of this.
          1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 20: 37 New
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            We are in stock

            A reserve, so to speak, regiment.
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            So, bayonets need to be joined by others, and not to string all the wrong, but to protect those who are right from them

            Eka, you twisted wink It seems that the "wrong" is only a percentage of the error of the total population yes
            Quote: avia1991
            And then - whoever wants to, let him stay and work, whoever is dissatisfied - let him bring down all four!

            Well, we will obviously stay with you, because We have no other Homeland.
            And as for those who tried to leave, we urgently set up serial production of high-quality ice axes and jobs, again, and will be in demand for “export” yes
            1. avia1991 28 October 2015 21: 22 New
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              As for those who tried to leave, we will urgently establish serial production of high-quality ice axes

              What a cruel you, however! laughing
              You must be more humane, kinder! The French have long been fussed about this: the product of their "fuss" is tested, and has proved its exceptional effectiveness .. Well - you understand wink
              1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 21: 26 New
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                What a cruel you, however!

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          3. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 21: 29 New
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            Just to dispossess the time of all unjustly earned billions


            Sergey, and who will dispossess and how. Power itself will not be. And the rest, who are dissatisfied with their economic and social situation, are gently instructed to look at the example of Ukraine, and not be compared to any liberals there.

            Something like this, colleague, it turns out. hi
            1. avia1991 28 October 2015 22: 39 New
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              the rest who are dissatisfied with their economic and social situation are gently instructed to look at the example of Ukraine,

              There are two ways out of any situation, Vladimir! wink
              In this case, the most difficult thing is to correctly substantiate your actions. We need the support of the people, we won’t be able to do without it, but we need people to understand that they are not being called upon to "cut their heads", but to participate in the government of the country, in strict accordance with their constitutional rights. Why, in fact, the idea of ​​New Russia stalled? There was a great risk of the emergence of a state with a truly democratic - that is, a popular! - management. Such a precedent could not be allowed - and leaders like Brain quietly “left”, whom by persuasion, whom radically.
              I DO NOT KNOW how and what to do. But - I think about it! wink And I believe that many people think besides me .. SOMEONE YES THINKING UP! And we will support!
  8. pioner77 28 October 2015 18: 34 New
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    what a pity that people who know how to manage the country work as taxi drivers
    1. Gardamir 28 October 2015 21: 32 New
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      what a pity that people who know how to manage the country work as taxi drivers
      what a pity that people who can work as taxi drivers are in government.
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        what a pity that people who can work as taxi drivers

        In my opinion, you flatter them.
  9. severbob 28 October 2015 19: 39 New
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    went to the polls and that they approved the progressive scale and don’t want a donut hole
  10. goose 29 October 2015 12: 55 New
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    The de facto tax rate is currently in effect. He who has BIG money does not pay social income tax, only 13% and that’s all, and this is not from all types of profit !!! Income on% and shares is a separate issue.
    The tax system of the Russian Federation is clearly not federal, but distributional, which, by definition, is in the nature of bureaucratic lawlessness. Federal taxes should be targeted, and not like now a piggy bank for "managers" like Yakunin. And the regions need to be stimulated by local taxes, to stimulate the development of production, and not to live like Mordovia or Dagestan through subventions and subsidies. There are regions, by definition subsidized, because the Far North is there, and accordingly, there is no infrastructure for an efficient economy, but most regions are located in the south, and the climate there is more or less normal. I do not see the incentive of production in the modern Government, on the contrary, everything is done so that the money turnover can only be short, i.e. speculation and trade is the only priority of our economic policy.
  • MIKHAN 28 October 2015 14: 52 New
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    An article from the topic .. "everything is gone .." And all things "Go to the marsh" in Moscow (managers cannot go on vacation and buy a foreign car ..)))) It's hard for you, I understand .. And in Russia everything is as usual WORK!
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      An article from the topic .. "everything is gone .."

      Yes, it seems to be no ... Title:“Immediately after the war, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year”- Talks about something else. And about WORK! - It's right. Some work, others get it. After 1993, so many enterprises were closed because the new owners did not know how they work. Here is a short list (eating, but not all):
      http://maxpark.com/community/2890/content/2108200
      And the rest, beautiful marquise
      All is well, all is well ...

      Well, if, suddenly, I lied, you can compare the times when the price of goods in a country (USSR, for example) did not depend only on world oil prices, and the working profession was in demand everywhere and was mentioned in the media more often than criminal reports.
      1. hydrox 28 October 2015 15: 40 New
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        when the prices of goods in a country (USSR, for example) did not depend only on world oil prices


        By the way, the currency in Russia has ALWAYS been stable and NEVER depended on the price of a / c. How fair the course was is a completely different conversation.
        1. Coconut Tima 28 October 2015 16: 36 New
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          Quote: hydrox
          By the way, the currency in Russia has ALWAYS been stable and NEVER depended on the price of a / c. How fair the course was is a completely different conversation.

          The course was fair and humane - Article 88 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR "Violation of the rules on foreign exchange transactions" (from 3 to 15 years, confiscation of property, reference to up to 5 years and the death penalty)
          1. EvgNik 28 October 2015 17: 20 New
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            Quote: coconut tim
            The course was fair and humane - Article 88 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR "Violation of the rules on foreign exchange transactions" (from 3 to 15 years, confiscation of property, reference to up to 5 years and the death penalty)

            Well, yes, now it’s much more humane. Remember Vasilyev, Chubais and you yourself can probably offer a list of several hundred names worthy of the humane justice of the USSR.
      2. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 16: 28 New
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        Quote: yuriy55
        it closed only because the new owners did not know how they work. Here is a short list (eating, but not all):

        here is also a small list:
        Factory "Red Proletariat" (Moscow) (born in 1857 - killed in 2010);
        Izhevsk Motorcycle Plant (born in 1928 - killed in 2009);
        Irbit Motorcycle Plant (Ural) (born in 1941 - in a coma);
        Pavlovsk Tool Plant (born in 1820 - killed in 2011);
        Lipetsk Tractor Plant (born in 1943 - killed in 2009);
        Altai Tractor Plant (Rubtsovsk) (born in 1942 - killed in 2010);
        Shipbuilding Plant (Petrozavodsk) (born in 1939 - killed in 2010);
        Shipyard (Vladivostok) (born in 1895 - killed in 2009);
        Radio plant "Vega" (Berdsk) (born in 1946 - killed in 1999);
        Saratov Aviation Plant (born in 1931– killed in 2010);
        Omsk Transport Engineering Plant (born in 1896 - killed in 2009);
        1. EvgNik 28 October 2015 17: 28 New
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          here is also a small list:

          I will add to the list:
          Alexandrovsky Machine-Building Plant (AMZ, mining engineering, born 1808, dies from the beginning of perestroika and privatization, the last machines are cut and turned into scrap metal).
        2. wandlitz 28 October 2015 18: 52 New
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          In Kurgan, the Kurgan Wheel Tractor Plant and the Woodworking Machine Plant also ceased to exist. And some left only names and signs, well, also the press and the director.
        3. Karabin 29 October 2015 13: 44 New
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          here is also a small list:

          Dates of death suspiciously coincide with the time of rising from his knees.
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    2. Basarev 28 October 2015 15: 17 New
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      The salt is precisely in this - the unjust redistribution of taxes. When less than a third of the amount collected remains in the field, then any donor region will inevitably become subsidized. Therefore, I see salvation in the absolute abolition of the tax system and the complete prohibition of loan interest, also to eliminate the state debt institution - finally give those unfortunate 10% of GDP so that Russia does not owe anything to anyone, and then introduce a legislative ban on foreign borrowing into the Constitution. And the main thing is to permanently abolish any degree of state support for corporations. That is, let’s say, a certain conditional Rosneft gets into debt - let it pay itself, and not the state budget. And then how to cover billions in losses to the oligarchy - then the treasury is generous. And it’s banal to raise pensions to a human level that allows you to simply live and not be - the gut is thin. The main principle, the national idea should be only one thing: the state is responsible for its citizens.
      1. Babr 28 October 2015 15: 37 New
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        Basarev
        "The main principle, the national idea should be only one thing: the state is responsible for its citizens."

        But it was precisely in this ESSENCE of the Stalinist system - the WHOLE (!) System of the national economy existed ONLY (!) For the sake of ensuring the life of the working population.
        The only, but the most important resource that every person as a cell of the Socium possesses from birth is its LIVING LABOR. Here is “in the sweat of his face” - through his own labor a man gets his daily bread.
        For the citizen, the Stalinist system of the national economy acted precisely as the universal “LABOR EXCHANGE SYSTEM” as it happens in a natural organism. Each person could exchange his living labor for a guaranteed set of vital goods at solid prices. The conditions for such an exchange were determined by law.
      2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 19: 15 New
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        Quote: Basarev
        The main principle, the national idea should be only one thing: the state is responsible for its citizens.

        Undoubtedly)
      3. avia1991 28 October 2015 20: 28 New
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        finally give those unfortunate 10% of GDP so that Russia owes nothing to anyone else,

        Dear, and you took into account the total corporate debt in these "10%"? But this is also OUR money, because where did the rich borrowers of Western banks get it, if not from the pockets of a gullible layman? And the amounts there are sickly - many times exceeding the State debt.
        1. Basarev 29 October 2015 06: 58 New
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          Let corporations pay corporate debt. Well, I wrote about this - about the conditional Rosneft, which has gone into debt. So it was written that let the corporations pay the arrears themselves, and not shift them to the budget.
          1. Karabin 29 October 2015 13: 48 New
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            Let corporations pay corporate debt.

            If they are private, yes. But for the obligations of state corporations, the state bears responsibility as the main owner.
    3. Sober 28 October 2015 15: 28 New
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      Dear Mikhan, I support you again. Swamps, such articles are just waiting.
      1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 15: 45 New
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        Quote: Sober
        Dear Mikhan, I support you again. Swamps, such articles are just waiting.

        The power is changing on the site ... hi
        1. Ingvar 72 28 October 2015 16: 09 New
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          Quote: MIKHAN
          The power is changing on the site ...

          Come on? Now uryakalok on the site more than two years ago.
          1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 16: 18 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: MIKHAN
            The power is changing on the site ...

            Come on? Now uryakalok on the site more than two years ago.

            Remove the main ones!)))) laughing bully
            1. Ingvar 72 28 October 2015 16: 25 New
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              Quote: MIKHAN
              Remove the main ones!))))

              That you cho! Isn't Smirnov banned? belay
              1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 16: 39 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: MIKHAN
                Remove the main ones!))))

                That you cho! Isn't Smirnov banned? belay

                Romanova ..))) (his surname is royal ..))) bully The White Guard clearly! laughing laughing
                1. Ingvar 72 28 October 2015 16: 46 New
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                  Quote: MIKHAN
                  Romanova ..))) (his surname is royal ..)))

                  And the manners are clearly proletarian ... repeat
                  Quote: MIKHAN
                  The White Guard clearly!
                  No, not a White Guard, Strelkova does not like. laughing
                  1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 16: 57 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    No, not a White Guard, Strelkova does not like.

                    That's right ..! But she definitely doesn’t like communists and cops! But I still like to read it, I can express my thoughts clearly and with humor!
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                      knows how to express his thoughts clearly and with humor!

                      Yes you sneak, Meehan!
          2. Dry_T-50 28 October 2015 17: 27 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: MIKHAN
            The power is changing on the site ...

            Come on? Now uryakalok on the site more than two years ago.

            Yes you Che! In the comments completely Stalinists and other "educated revolutionaries"
            1. Gardamir 28 October 2015 18: 01 New
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              entirely Stalinists and other "educated revolutionaries"
              Whose will you be?
            2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 19: 29 New
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              Yes you Che! In the comments completely Stalinists and other "educated revolutionaries"
        2. Asadullah 28 October 2015 16: 52 New
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          The power is changing on the site ...


          It’s different here, a month later on the site, almost everyone already knows how to manage the country ..... I used to think that it was only after a bottle of vodka. It turns out no, vodka is now expensive, and the site is free ....
          1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 17: 16 New
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            Quote: Asadullah
            Here it’s different, after a month on the site, almost everyone already knows how to manage the country ....

            Rather, everyone knows how to manage it. wink
            Quote: Asadullah
            . I used to think that it was only after a bottle of vodka.

            exclusively "scooter" lol
            Quote: Asadullah
            vodka is expensive today, and the site is free ....

            and we finally do not have Internet request crying
      2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 19: 25 New
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        Dear Mikhan, I support you again. Swamps, such articles are just waiting.

        SO HERE IT CHO, MIKHALYCH !!!
    4. Vadim237 28 October 2015 15: 38 New
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      Arefyev must be told that in production, without his advice, there is someone to understand and look for markets for.
      1. Asadullah 28 October 2015 17: 00 New
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        Nikolay Arefiev. From 1981 to 1985, he was an instructor, head of the department of the CPSU district committee, in 1985-1987 he was the chairman of the executive committee of the district Council of People's Deputies, in 1987-1991 he was the first secretary of the CPSU district committee, and 1991-1993 he was the chairman of the Soviet District Council of the city of Astrakhan.


        The comrade, along with the sidekicks from the Central Committee of the CPSU, ruined the USSR. Now they all pretend to be trying on Russia.
        1. Gardamir 28 October 2015 18: 03 New
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          The comrade, along with the sidekicks from the Central Committee of the CPSU, ruined the USSR. Now they all pretend to be trying on Russia.
          Are you talking about the president?
        2. Col. 29 October 2015 09: 02 New
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          The comrade, along with the sidekicks from the Central Committee of the CPSU, ruined the USSR.


          Be honest to the end. Bring us here the "steps of the career ladder" of Yeltsin, Putin, Luzhkov, Ivanov, Shoigu (yes, yes!) ... And see that ALL of them were "faithful Leninists", and now they are enjoining great statesmen so that they themselves are miserable middle peasants , against their background, look indispensable and only worthy ...
    5. Loner_53 28 October 2015 15: 47 New
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      Vitaliy, did you try to live on 8 thousand for a couple with a 15-year-old boy? 8 is a pension, so how?
      1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 15: 58 New
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        Vitaliy, did you try to live on 8 thousand for a couple with a 15-year-old boy? 8 is a pension, so how?

        I live on this ... (I still have child support) ... I survive nothing! hi
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          BMW 28 October 2015 17: 00 New
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          Quote: MIKHAN
          I live on this ... (I still have child support) ... I survive nothing!

          I invite you to Kamchatka, let's see how many flippers click. The rent for kopeck piece is six tr, in austerity mode. hi
          1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 17: 22 New
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            Quote: MIKHAN
            I live on this ... (I still have child support) ... I survive nothing!

            I invite you to Kamchatka, let's see how many flippers click. The rent for kopeck piece is six tr, in austerity mode. hi

            Better to Kamchatka ... And here is Kazakhstan on the border .. Boring! If you pay come ... hi (payment with us 5 thousand)
        2. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 17: 55 New
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          .Nothing I survive!

          Here is the keyword yes
      2. Asadullah 28 October 2015 17: 24 New
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        Vitaliy, did you try to live on 8 thousand for a couple with a 15-year-old boy? 8 is a pension, so how?


        In 84, he got to the Tashkent district hospital, wounds on his legs from a cut were festering. Not everything is so scary, but there was nothing to cure them except with green and hemp ash. Alas, it turned out that the treatment of a soldier wounded for the ideals of the CPSU in the USSR was paid. Hungarian doxycycline cost 25 rubles, and inject it, 5 rubles. The youthful criminal inclinations were saved, the benefit was that he could figure out the pockets of squinted spirits and hid some of the greenery, risking falling under the tribunal. These green ones saved my legs. But how many boys were left without arms, without legs. They could not be cured for their soldiers pennies. Subsequently, we spent all the remaining trophy proceeds on the monument to the fallen comrades. And also a bribe for a place under a monument. Have you tried this?
        1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 17: 45 New
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          Quote: Asadullah
          Have you tried this?

          Kamrad! I can’t argue with you, but I was there only four years later, slightly pokotsany, with the "ailment" of the head ... Only payments for 40 degrees remained in my memory, but as for the drugs, everything seemed to be ..., and the attitude We were on the level.
          And the fact that “tricking” was a normal occurrence is the true truth, not for the sake of enrichment, but for tradition, however good soldier
          1. avia1991 28 October 2015 20: 31 New
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            And the fact that "tricking" was normal,
            Hello .. and who says something against? The historically established tradition of "three days to plunder" .. wink
            The main thing is without fanaticism .. there have been cases.
    6. Karabanov 28 October 2015 18: 56 New
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      An article from the topic .. "everything is gone .." And all things "Go to the marsh" in Moscow (managers cannot go on vacation and buy a foreign car ..)))) It's hard for you, I understand .. And in Russia everything is as usual WORK!

      Where are we the provincial "loafers" to you ...
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      . And in Russia everything is as usual,

      They steal.
  • Finches 28 October 2015 15: 06 New
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    I’ll say, as an ordinary layman living in Russia, I won’t even be able to precisely formulate why, a personal set of subjective concepts, but I don’t like gentlemen: Medvedev, Siluyanov, Ulyukaev and almost all of the economic bloc of the Government of the Russian Federation ... I don’t know why! Maybe because they didn’t do nehru, but only hoped for a high oil price!? I can’t say for sure, but really, they will not tighten their belts in the Kremlin and our White House, not Gref with nanoChubais, but ordinary people ...
    1. Vladimirets 28 October 2015 15: 15 New
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      I don’t like much either, but let's be honest with ourselves. At that time there was a lot of cheap labor (however, as in China now, although many there are no longer ready to work for a bowl of rice), ask yourself now, your loved ones: are you ready now to drop everything and go to the taiga, to the tundra for the idea ? To live in a tent, a trailer, to receive a minuscule or not to receive at all? Many will now say that they earned decent money in the north. I agree, but many construction projects were purely voluntary, especially after the war. Who are you going to lure to leave your family, or even to rush to a construction site with your family? request Therefore, now the construction is a purely economic event, but here's how to fix it economically, xs. recourse
      1. Finches 28 October 2015 15: 18 New
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        So completely different political and economic formations: socialism and capitalism! If now a person would be as socially protected as in Soviet times, then very many would go anywhere, knowing for sure that the state guarantees him free: study, treatment, an apartment, a pension ... Now compare such things at least not correct!
        1. Vladimirets 28 October 2015 15: 41 New
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          Quote: Finches
          So completely different political and economic formations: socialism and capitalism! If now a person would be as socially protected as in Soviet times, then very many would go anywhere, knowing for sure that the state guarantees him free: study, treatment, an apartment, a pension ... Now compare such things at least not correct!

          You didn’t understand me, I didn’t compare anything, N. Arefyev compares: “immediately after the war, when there was a complete defeat of the economy, we built fifteen hundred enterprises a year.” I’m just talking about today's realities.
          1. Finches 28 October 2015 15: 48 New
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            I’m Arefiev and had in mind! hi
      2. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 15: 39 New
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        Privatization of income and nationalization of expenditures are the main principle of the current government.
        And people are fooled by false patriotism, while continuing to rob the country and its bowels
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      4. hydrox 28 October 2015 15: 55 New
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        Therefore, now the construction of a purely economic event

        Then this construction was the STATE and Nationwide heritage of these construction sites multiplied (which then imperious thieves tidy up their dirty hands) - the effectiveness of investments is another matter. But the people understood that this was done to increase their own well-being (try to buy an apartment today (which at that time were just given in turn)) or arrange a child in a garden, school, go to a rural FAP ...
        Yes, then healthcare was not so hot, but now for the people it IS NOT at all, we are generally silent about education!
        Now all the capital is in the hands of the bankers, and they only need usurious interest, which does not matter where and how to get ...
      5. avia1991 28 October 2015 19: 46 New
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        ask yourself now, your relatives: are you ready to drop everything now and go to the taiga, to the tundra for an idea? To live in a tent, a trailer, to receive a minuscule or not to receive at all?

        You do not confuse: the ideology was different then, mentality, brought up from childhood, different. And what you are talking about was presented not as a punishment - but as a privilege!
        Now, of course, few people will “take up the idea” to work .. simply because ITS - IDEAS - NO. And this is one of the main problems of today's society: people do not have a Goal worthy of self-sacrifice. And without the Goal, we are an amorphous formation. Consumer Society ..
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          one of the main problems of today's society: people do not have a Goal worthy of self-sacrifice. And without the Goal, we are an amorphous formation. Consumer Society ..

          I do not agree ... There is still a goal, one might even say ideology. Another thing is that people who proclaim it behave in exactly the opposite way. This falsehood and hypocrisy is well felt, from which there is mistrust, or even completely rejected.
          1. avia1991 28 October 2015 20: 36 New
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            The goal is still there

            Formulate? The nationwide goal of all Russians? An idea for which - into the fire! .. There is none. And enthusiasm based on the amount of dollars does not carry a creative beginning.
            This falsehood and hypocrisy is well felt, from which there is mistrust, or even completely rejected.
            Naturally, this also does not add to the desire to "make the world a better place," I agree hi
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            2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 20: 54 New
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              Formulate? The nationwide goal of all Russians? An idea for which - into the fire!

              Here they will tell you in detail ...
              1. avia1991 28 October 2015 21: 55 New
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                Here they will tell you in detail ...

                Well .. Actually, I was interested in your opinion, not the bombastic maxims of the despicable "EdR", which deserves no trust!
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                  Quote: avia1991
                  Well .. Actually, I was interested in your opinion, not the bombastic maxims of the despicable "EdR", which deserves no trust!

                  My opinion is that surprisingly almost the same as EdR, however, as with any other parties and figures. After all, they all proclaim - unity, rebirth, preservation, justice, legality ... etc. etc.
                  Read the program of any party and you will see that everyone has the best program — a national idea that promises all sorts of benefits to everyone. Almost a paradise.
                  But I see, you understand my skepticism.
    2. Nyrobsky 28 October 2015 20: 48 New
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      Quote: Finches
      I’ll say, as an ordinary layman living in Russia, I won’t even be able to precisely formulate why, a personal set of subjective concepts, but I don’t like gentlemen: Medvedev, Siluyanov, Ulyukaev and almost all of the economic bloc of the Government of the Russian Federation ...I do not know why! Maybe because they didn’t do nehru, but only hoped for a high oil price!? I can’t say for sure, but really, they will not tighten their belts in the Kremlin and our White House, not Gref with nanoChubais, but ordinary people ...

      Here for such "comrades" was 1937
  • Coconut Tima 28 October 2015 15: 12 New
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    “Immediately after the war, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year” And now, as in the Soviet song: “Bread to the left, bread to the right” - “Pipe to the left, pipe to the right” and someone's dreams come true!
  • hydrox 28 October 2015 15: 21 New
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    But the oligarchs-billionaires and bankers have no crisis. The government is helping them.


    And what do you want?
    They are "socially close" :: thieves and power ...
    No, Putin wants or not, but he still has to carry out the nationalization of raw materials and export of raw materials.
    I just think that he prepared this action at the time of the collapse of the Fed: then all of our Pr-in will be in panic, commotion and trance (and someone will already run away), so everything will have to do without blood (ABSOLUTELY without blood).
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      I just think that he prepared this action by the time of the collapse of the Fed

      But he’s a bastard, everything doesn’t crumble and doesn’t crumble from our spells .. can sorcerers be exchanged for shamans for example? wassat
    2. Karabin 29 October 2015 13: 55 New
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      I just think that he prepared this action by the time of the collapse of the Fed

      While the thick one dries, the thin one dies.
  • EGOrkka 28 October 2015 15: 34 New
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    ... to build factories in a hungry country and build factories for the production of competitive products - TWO BIG DIFFERENCES .... For the "gifted", according to the "syllables": highly competitive products are released demanded goods with maximum operational properties at minimum production costs ... For its production, a production base with a highly technological process and highly qualified personnel are needed ... This is not a fairy tale about Ivan the fool and ... "pike" hi
  • Vyacheslav 64 28 October 2015 16: 12 New
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    Extremely inefficient domestic policies, especially the overtly hostile economic policies of our government, can destroy us. Look at the broadcast of the meetings of the Government of the Russian Federation, which "experts" are sitting there ... One Mr. Mau what is worth (who is in the subject, he will understand), ally and disciple of Gaidar, a man who ruined the legendary RAGS. While such people will manage the country's economy, we are doomed to failure, and no foreign policy victories will save us, they will destroy the country from the inside.
  • vovanpain 28 October 2015 16: 15 New
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    Quote: Temples
    The president said he would have to tighten his belt. Well, the billionaire oligarchs would have tightened their belts. But no, all crisis phenomena they want to repay at the expense of pensioners.

    And the president believes that these comrades will tighten their belts.
    1. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 16: 27 New
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      Quote: vovanpain
      Quote: Temples
      The president said he would have to tighten his belt. Well, the billionaire oligarchs would have tightened their belts. But no, all crisis phenomena they want to repay at the expense of pensioners.

      And the president believes that these comrades will tighten their belts.

      I also believe in it .... And everything goes to that! (they calmed down something sharply ..)
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        (they calmed down something sharply ..)

        Maybe you are deaf?
    2. EvgNik 28 October 2015 17: 31 New
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      these comrades will tighten their belts

      Goose pig is not a comrade.
  • Leeder 28 October 2015 16: 42 New
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    It is necessary to execute social programs.
    But they are not hunting.

    A bit in defense of the government.
    Now those who were born in 199x (~ 25 years old) should have begun to bring money to the pension fund, and there are almost none !. Recall what happened in those years with the demographic situation? So it turns out that now, due to the disaster of the 90s, there is a big drawback of those who deposit money, which should then be transferred to pensioners. Of course, I do not take into account theft, RFP in envelopes, etc. This is simply the mechanics of pension contributions.
    Elementary statistics, from the point of view of demography, if there are less than 2.6 children per family, this means the death of the population or crowding out the indigenous by immigrants. Do you have many familiar families with 3 or more children per family?
    This means this problem will only intensify.
    So they are looking for ways out, believe me, this is not from a good life.
    But the oligarchs-billionaires and bankers have no crisis. The government is helping them.

    On the other hand, if, as in a revolution, you try to take away and divide, it ends as always, after taking away, there will be nothing left to share.
    That helps those who bring money to the budget. But I’d like it would be better to help small and medium-sized businesses, and not these rogues ...
    1. Nyrobsky 28 October 2015 21: 34 New
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      So they are looking for ways out, believe me, this is not from a good life.

      Not looking there ...
      As M. Delyagin recently told - over this year, the budget surplus has already amounted to more than 9 trillion rubles, as a result of its inefficient implementation. There is no shortage!
      This amount would allow for 8 months in general, not to collect any fees and taxes throughout the country.
      Inefficiency - this became the crown of the Medvedev government (9 trillion rubles of unfinished factories, roads, etc.). This is simply a sabotage of the implementation of the May 2012 presidential decrees. Instead of creating production and stimulating business development through the organization of small enterprises and job creation, which entails an increase in the tax base and tax collection, an improvement in the standard of living and, as a consequence, an increase in the birth rate, the government acts exactly the opposite, without risking just getting in to the defense industry, for now it’s definitely possible to sit on a bench. In all other respects, all reforms are slipping, and it turns out that they want to have a tax on the footage of an unwoven fabric.
      A deputy or a senator receives 450 thousand rubles, which, in terms of a pension of 10 thousand, would allow for 45 pensioners a month. But the people’s representatives "can’t do anything in the least" have a desire to double their content because, in addition to laws that worsen the situation of citizens, they produce nothing more.
      Let them optimize their bureaucratic army and bring their salaries to the national average of 25-35 thousand, which they like to trump and which they receive by dividing the salaries of the oilman and the nurse.
      Then that's enough.
    2. avia1991 28 October 2015 21: 59 New
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      if, as in a revolution, you try to take away and divide, it will end, as always,

      Yes, no need to divide - it is necessary that this appears at the state box office! Which in the future should let these funds to develop the economy, with the receipt of income in the treasury, and guaranteeing decent earnings to those who honestly work.
  • Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 18: 59 New
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    So the Government has a crisis only because they have to pay pensioners.

    And what about you, Dear namesake, didn’t know what pensioners were, and all sorts of sick people were the fifth column in the economy of our state. If it were not for the pensioners, and the people would not have been ill, they would have lived as in Switzerland. yes
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      that pensioners, and even all sorts of sick people, are the fifth column in the economy of our state.

      Similarly, dust will be their dust and happiness - according to Gaidar and Chubais ..
  • twviewer 28 October 2015 23: 02 New
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    The president said he would have to tighten his belts.

    What else will he say? Now am I to my buddies, former Komsomol activists who have plundered the country, will I squeeze the gangs? And they will start shouting about Surgut, the only unprofitable social casino in the world, oil in exchange for food and other feats? Wait longer.
  • AdekvatNICK 28 October 2015 14: 47 New
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    no confidence in their retirement future. Although far from it. IMHO.
    1. SRC P-15 28 October 2015 14: 52 New
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      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      no confidence in their retirement future. Although far from it. IMHO.

      You will be surprised, but I don’t have confidence in my retirement future, although I am already a pensioner!
      1. AdekvatNICK 28 October 2015 14: 57 New
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        Nope, I won’t be surprised. It is surprising to me that all efforts are devoted to foreign policy and nothing happens inside. Besides price increases.
      2. Sober 28 October 2015 15: 33 New
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        I'm not a pensioner yet, and I'm an optimist. But I don’t have confidence in my retirement future either.
        1. avia1991 28 October 2015 20: 41 New
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          I have no confidence in my retirement future and I

          You need to invest in your future yourself. To wait for the state to take care of us means to condemn ourselves to poverty and hunger in old age in advance.
          .. a couple of interesting projects I know, but I will not share here - for advertising hi
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            Thank! There will be a need, I will look for advice.
      3. veksha50 28 October 2015 15: 51 New
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        You will be surprised, but I don’t have confidence in my retirement future, although I am already a pensioner!



        Well done !!! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye !!!

        I recently said to my wife that I would not be surprised if the present minnows find a way, if not to chop off the pension completely, then halve it ...

        PS Raise the retirement age ... In Russia, only a person who was heavier than a fork with a spoon and a glass in his hands could not have thought of it ... Let them look in the outback how people are dying and at what age ...
        1. afdjhbn67 29 October 2015 02: 25 New
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          will find a way, if you don’t chop off the pension completely, then halve it ...

          You’ve already ridiculous ... you already found it - look back at the time when there were some prices, but after the jump in the dollar others began to think that indexation covered it ... hi
      4. hydrox 28 October 2015 15: 57 New
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        You will be surprised, but I don’t have confidence in my retirement future, although I am already a pensioner!


        And this is not surprising given the socio-economic structure that Russia organized FOR THEMSELVES, FAVORITE Liberty thieves!
      5. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 16: 21 New
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        The richest country in the world, the majority of which eke out a miserable existence.
        The state does not want to take care of children and pensioners and, therefore, it is doomed.
        The battle for life or life for the sake of battles are two big differences.
    2. MIKHAN 28 October 2015 15: 01 New
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      no confidence in their retirement future. Although far from it. IMHO.

      That’s the whole problem ..! You want to live up to retirement, but I don’t want ..))) And most importantly, I don’t think about it! It needs to be earned, simply! To make the country revived, with our help ... And then you might think .. (We now live at the expense of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers that they left us dying for us))) These are the things in the tank troops ... hi
      1. AdekvatNICK 28 October 2015 15: 20 New
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        so I deserve it, I plow at the enterprise in shifts. Yes, there are many of them. And not to think about retirement, but how not to think about it if the future life of the person who receives it depends on it.
        I’m not an all-rounder, but I just clearly see us distracting Syria from internal problems, it’s all obvious. Yes, igil, yes evil and all that, but still obvious.
      2. SRC P-15 28 October 2015 15: 20 New
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        (We now live at the expense of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers that they left us dying for us)))

        That's for sure! Will today's people be able to work with the same dedication as our fathers and grandfathers (and grandmothers and mothers got it)? - Hardly. The current generation is accustomed to take, but to give - this, I think, is the problem.
        1. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 17: 23 New
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          The current generation is accustomed to take, but to give - this, I think, is the problem.

          Dear Alexander, this generation, which I call "pepsikol", has grown up against the background of the liberal collapse of statehood, because now we have neither a national idea, nor education, and, ultimately, by and large, no education. And our current youth is really a huge problem.

          Something like that, colleague. hi
      3. afdjhbn67 28 October 2015 15: 32 New
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        We now live at the expense of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, that they left us dying for us))

        Meehan are you an oligarch? that the grandfathers left us for a long time privatized .. by the way I won’t, the oligarchs and so in sight .. are you really that or are you pretending to be?
      4. Sober 28 October 2015 15: 39 New
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        hi good No need to shout: we were robbed, it is necessary for everyone, personally, in their place, to do everything in their power to change something for the better.
        Putin's work is visible, the oligarchs too, but personally mine?
        1. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 19: 03 New
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          Quote: Sober
          Putin's work is visible, the oligarchs too, but personally mine?


          Now, Dear Alexander, I understood everything, since I don’t see your work. Damn that's the problem. wassat
          1. Sober 28 October 2015 20: 19 New
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            Dear Vladimir, I know my work. And if anyone is interested I will tell you personally. If someone was hurt, I'm sorry, but I say what I think.
            1. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 20: 31 New
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              Dear Vladimir, I know my work. And if anyone is interested I will tell you personally. If someone was hurt, I'm sorry, but I say what I think.


              Alexander, don’t take it to heart, it’s just an evil irony, because of disagreement. hi
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                Alexander, don’t take it to heart,

                Volodya, and you’ll be fun to ask .. he’ll write something sentimental to you in person with elements of a heroic biography .. wassat
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            since I don’t see your work. Damn that's the problem.

            Volodya, you just see his work ... an ordinary Kremlin boat of such and social networks, a shaft - a fighter at the forefront of information war
        2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 20: 22 New
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          Putin's work is visible, the oligarchs too, but personally mine?

          I don’t know about you ... But the work of the oligarchs is still visible! With the blessing of Putin. winked
        3. afdjhbn67 29 October 2015 02: 33 New
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          No need to shout: they robbed us

          Of course you’re not worth polemics, but what is the name of open theft without the use of weapons? robbery it is called ...
      5. Babr 28 October 2015 16: 00 New
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        It must be earned!

        Meehan is not a pug man, in a pose on his hind legs. But you probably won’t understand, even if you fix the helmet.
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          if you fix the helmet.

          Not Victor - the helmet completely demolished ...
      6. afdjhbn67 29 October 2015 02: 31 New
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        She needs to be earned, just

        Wow! wrong place you got Mikhan, here cheers-chants do not roll .. stop people think with their heads, trying to comprehend what is happening with the country and personally with them .. wink
    3. yuriy55 28 October 2015 15: 18 New
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      no confidence in their retirement future.


      Believe me, retirement is inevitable, as the death of capitalism ... lol Only its size somewhat narrows the pensioner's ability to live normally without a side job. And, judging by the frenzied propaganda about increasing the life expectancy of an average statistical Russian and constant “nagging” about drying out of funds in a pension fund, from 2018 (maybe 2019), Russians will retire later ... hi
      1. afdjhbn67 28 October 2015 15: 37 New
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        Russians will retire later ...

        That’s for sure, now they’re still probing but they’re afraid of accepting the elections and the affairs in the economy are unimportant (in real life they were obscene) even a warrior in Syria will not be distracted ..
      2. Sober 28 October 2015 15: 40 New
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        Can not argue.
  • 123321 28 October 2015 14: 48 New
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    The case of the coup d'etat 1991. The relationship of Syria and Ukraine.


    00:30 - Crimes of 1991.
    06:21 - International law. Higher legitimacy of the borders of the USSR.
    10:47 - Is it possible to restore the USSR?
    14:10 - The 1991 coup d'etat case.
    20:12 - When will this thing move off the ground?
    25:01 - The referendum of 1993 on changing the status of the country.
    28:40 - The relationship of the situation in Syria with the events in Ukraine.
    35:48 - Bashar al-Assad's visit to Moscow.
    37:31 - Is an unexpected strong Russian move possible?
    40:22 - Is it possible to exchange Syria for Ukraine?
    42:19 - Fronts of the US struggle with Russia.
    43:48 - Who do Americans rely on in Russia?
    49:51 - The balance of power in power.
    55:11 - Prospects for the nationalization of the Central Bank.
    58:17 - If tomorrow the rate becomes 0%
    58:40 - Several paths to gaining sovereignty.
  • Altona 28 October 2015 14: 52 New
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    In our region, for example, salaries are not guaranteed even for those working in the real sector — some enterprises are worth it; some work, but sn delay; on the other, they want to take the main products to the parent company and cut staff ... And salaries are about 15 thousand plus or minus 5, and prices have already risen and still rise ... The state employees have a similar picture ...
    1. EGOrkka 28 October 2015 17: 13 New
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      Altona (2
      even in the real sector, salaries are not guaranteed


      ... your region ... lucky ... YOU are there ... and as the most intelligent and knowledgeable, you have opened a plant for the production of products that people need, which diverges like hotcakes, and your employees' salaries are 10 times higher than your average the region ..... Or are you a simple talker ...... worthless and vile ... and only able to smear the monitor .... with your own saliva? hi
  • apro 28 October 2015 14: 58 New
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    That you won’t return and it’s a little reckless to turn to the past as a panacea, because then there wasn’t what in our time was irresponsibility, a complete disregard for the needs of the people, the only thing they had and we don’t have a goal for which we should tear our veins and forcing others, this is a country that needs to be raised and equipped. Now the goals are blurred.
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 15: 27 New
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      First, it would be nice to decide which way our society is moving. Under what market relations can we create something not only for the army, but also for those outside its orderly ranks.
      We have already said about the progressive taxation scale, you can decide something about banks so that making money for your loved ones is not an end in itself ... Or a progressive tax (VAT) in trade ... Maybe a state monopoly on some goods (alcohol , tobacco, etc.) ... Recall that transport, communications and some other sectors of the economy are state concern ...
    2. afdjhbn67 29 October 2015 02: 40 New
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      Now the goals are blurry.

      they are not blurred, but multidirectional .. for the most part, just make ends meet, for the smaller - even more dough to catch time while rolling ..
  • fycom 28 October 2015 14: 58 New
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    In addition, they built it thoroughly after the war - from brick. And now, “cabins” for assembling plastic windows from plywood will be assembled in a year and are already reporting on “achievements” and “import substitution”. Moreover, on the faces of officials and senior engineers, the expression, as if they were the suffered heroes of the Stalingrad battles, did not spare themselves at all.
    1. Karabanov 28 October 2015 20: 32 New
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      Once here, in our city, entrepreneurs threw themselves together and put up a gazebo in a kindergarten. What are you!!! The mayor himself arrived at the opening, the television came reporting to shoot! And let him praise them and scatter thanks.
      But the essence is this: these businesses are on a short leg with the mayor, they solve issues together, as they say, they wash their hands ... Well, you understand.
  • pasha88tt 28 October 2015 15: 00 New
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    All good is forgotten old. There is experience, I hope for good
    1. JACTUS RECTUS 28 October 2015 17: 31 New
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      It's true.
      But the article is meaningless, why whine ???
      After the war, Joseph Vissarionovich was in power, the country was sovereign both politically and economically, the country had a different political, economic and social system, people were different and there was nothing that could be a priori.
    2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 20: 35 New
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      All good is forgotten old. There is experience, I hope for good

      I am not a fan of Stalin, I just like the poster (in addition, so to speak) ...
  • Million 28 October 2015 15: 00 New
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    The government lives in a world separate from Russia
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      Worse, it presents us with a state of affairs as if it understood everything ... They say: "Tighten your belts, dear Russians (fellow countrymen, comrades ...), from year N, turkeys will be sitting on fences instead of sparrows .. . " lol
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        The government lives in a world separate from Russia
  • Eagle Owl1 28 October 2015 15: 02 New
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    it doesn’t add up)))) Putin’s support is record-breaking, but the crisis is growing stronger and, I quote, “In the regions, everything has become impoverished, there is complete collapse,” so options are possible:
    1. Since the people do not connect the crisis and Putin in any way, 8 out of 10 “for”, well, it means anyway who, how and what is happening in the country. I look forward to what happens next.
    2. If those 8 out of 10 understand that there is still a connection between the crisis and Putin, but they still vote “for,” then I am watching with so much impatience what will happen next
    3. The article is a lie. Then we all here are just killing our work time.
    4. Putin's rating is a lie. Back here we are killing our time.

    My conclusion: the world is a theater, and we are actors. Literally.
    1. Sober 28 October 2015 15: 43 New
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      He spoke beautifully, graduated theatrically.
    2. MrK
      MrK 28 October 2015 18: 39 New
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      Quote: Eagle Owl1
      doesn’t add up)))) Putin’s support is record-breaking, but the crisis is getting stronger and, I quote,


      Ceausescu in Romania a week before his execution, the rating was the same 90%.
      1. Karabanov 28 October 2015 21: 01 New
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        Ceausescu in Romania a week before his execution, the rating was the same 90%.

        However, subtly ...
  • My doctor 28 October 2015 15: 07 New
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    says Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Economic Policy, Innovative Development and Entrepreneurship Nikolai Arefyev.
    If it weren’t for the signature that the deputy before the State Duma Committee, I wouldn’t have guessed such words would be said by any ordinary person, and the person doesn’t need to hold office for this. Everything is clear to everyone. It is necessary to look for a way out, and having found to move on it.
    I wouldn’t be if I agreed with him tongue
    “Immediately after the war, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year”
    Not WE, but they are our grandfathers and grandmothers, the weaker sex, especially in the countryside. Mother told how they harnessed to the plow instead of horses. I mean that historical parallels between the post-war and present times are not always appropriate.
  • veksha50 28 October 2015 15: 10 New
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    "Not enough 2,5 trillion rubles! Accordingly, we will eat the "egg". The National Welfare Fund at one time was created specifically to solve the issue of pension provision. There is still a reserve fund, which was introduced for injections into the economy in case of a shortage of budget funds.

    The National Wealth Fund has depleted the dynamic and frighteningly regular plundering of the Pension Fund (once every 1,5 - 2 years), and all this is not advertised, and no one has ever been held accountable for this ...

    In fact, the Reserve Fund is no longer there ... Siluanov clearly said yesterday or the day before that at the beginning of 2016 there will still be enough remaining Fund Reserve - and .... and that’s it ...

    No matter how you look at any business analytics - everywhere there is a link to the price of oil, everywhere !!!

    I even thought that oil development is being developed, modern equipment is being used, and there, it turns out, the Soviet legacy is being exhausted ...

    Enemies ... Enemies at the feeding trough, enemies in power ... He shut his whole business eyes with green wrappers ...

    It would be necessary to learn something from the Russian tsarist merchants and industrialists ... Many of them were patriots of Russia ... And now - the majority - shushera and mold, for which words such as "Homeland", "Country", State ", "People" mean absolutely nothing ...

    So let someone reproach me with the fact that, against the backdrop of these "good deeds for the glory of the Fatherland," I want to banish all these bureaucrats and grabbers-grabbers, at least forever to Kolyma, turn them into ever-frozen mammoths ...
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      I agree with veksha50. R
      Russia was and remains a thorn in the eye of our Western "partners." Our bureaucrats and businessmen have long been exposed to the conditions: sell the homeland - please protect - can not.
      The ultimate dream of businessmen and bureaucrats is to dump the country together with the stolen dough without falling into any lists. Money, families, lovers, houses, affairs - everything is there, in Europe and America. And Russia for them is nothing more than a clearing for "cutting the very dough."
      1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 19: 07 New
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        : sell the homeland - please protect - can not.

        Are you sure about your thesis?
        Defend what? What is their homeland? Homeland is for us with you, and for them a cash cow.
        Procurators from the metropolis are trying to play their game, no more, under sugary slogans, milk, saw, master, this is their main task.
        Everything else is PR cunning.
  • MIKHAN 28 October 2015 15: 10 New
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    Immediately after the war, we built fifteen hundred enterprises a year. ”

    But at the same time, and this ... We were respected and feared! Now it seems to be going to this too ...
    Tank exercises "West" (1981). At that time, the USSR had about 60 thousand tanks.
    1. UralMan 28 October 2015 18: 52 New
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      And why the heck are we so many tanks?
      Of these, what is a tank palisade?
      What would you be afraid of? What are armored turtles?
      ---------------------------------------
      Respect and will respect - the economic potential of our country!
      But we’re not going to scare anyone.
      A strong country ... this is the brother of POWER.
  • armata37 28 October 2015 15: 11 New
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    I would love to spit on all the office work and go to work at the factory, with my hands and be glad to work and see the result of my work, the physical result. When you can see and touch, so to speak. But with this it’s very tight, there is no production. In my city, some supermarkets are being built, and all of them are on the site of old factories.
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      But with this it’s very tight, there is no production. In my city, some supermarkets are being built, and all of them are on the site of old factories.

      Globalization however ... hi
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      I would love to spit on all the office work and go to work at the factory, with my hands and be glad to work and see the result of my work, the physical result. When you can see and touch, so to speak. But with this it’s very tight, there is no production. In my city, some supermarkets are being built, and all of them are on the site of old factories.


      Denis, do you live in Krasnodar? drinks
  • parusnik 28 October 2015 15: 17 New
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  • Gani 28 October 2015 15: 22 New
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    The issue with the mineral extraction tax has not yet been resolved; it remains on the conscience of the Duma. Export customs duties on oil and gas are planned to remain at the current level.
    I am an oak in the economy, and I can’t understand what is the point of such a maneuver to reduce export duties and raise mineral extraction tax as recently, i.e. the getter one horseradish pays the same but selling in the domestic market is becoming less profitable than exporting ... what's the point? Is it more pleasant to export crude oil than diesel for example? are reports more beautifully obtained or is a secret surrender agreement from the 90s obliging?
    Can you - explain in 3 words how the increase in mineral extraction tax due to export duties is beneficial for the country and / or for the authorities?
    1. chunga-changa 28 October 2015 15: 29 New
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      This is beneficial for hundreds of private shareholders of "our state-owned" public corporations, almost all of these people are included in our leadership. They have everything in the West and it is beneficial for them that “legitimate” and clean Western money goes to their “legitimate” and clean Western bank accounts. It’s more difficult for them to withdraw money from Russia and in the West they have to explain where they came from.
  • Gor-1974 28 October 2015 15: 29 New
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    The West has embarked on a shift as they say "Putin's regime." If Putin himself will not be interested in staying in power, then even the people will not help him. (But there is probably a dark horse that drives him at the direction of the west.)
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 15: 42 New
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      If Putin himself is not interested in staying in power


      Yes, do not care about this West. The main thing here is that Putin, while remaining in power, should pay more attention to internal problems in the country and select competent cadres of managers, relying on the support of the people, and not of the oligarchs, who themselves can not do anything, will not do without their own benefit and do not want to. ..
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        while remaining in power, he paid more attention to internal problems in the country and selected competent cadres of managers,

        And that he did not set DAM. HE WHAT DOESN'T KNOW WHO APPOINTS? Well, so look, although after a year, the designator.
        BUT YOU AGAIN: THE KING, SEE IT, GOOD. COMMANDERS, BAD. WHEN ALREADY YOU SEE IT. IT IS JUST A PAUGHAN WHICH COVERES THIS ENTIRE MEDVEDEVSKAYA SECURITY FROM PEOPLE.
        WHAT CONCERNS A NEGATIVE REASON, AS WE HAVE ALL LIFE IN THE COUNTRY-RUSSIA FOR THE MOST PEOPLE - THERE IS ONE NEGATIVE REASON - HOW TO SURVIVE.
        In the village to the herd of sheep put one goat. And the sheep calmly follow the goat, thinking that he will lead them to the best pasture. And HE is just looking for a more satisfying weed. I want to ask: DO NOT REMEMBER ANYTHING?
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          I agree, the president knows everything. For this, great people put him on this post so that they themselves would not run and teach, for example, Medvedev how he should work.
          And if he does not know something, then they will put it on him like a jamb and may raise the question of the non-conformity of his position. I think much closer to real people is in the role of mediator, between them and President-Chubais, Gref, Miller.
  • veksha50 28 October 2015 15: 30 New
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    "they want to pay off all crisis phenomena at the expense of pensioners" ...

    I agree to tighten my belt tighter, no need for pension compensation in the crisis period, I would live ...

    But (!!!) with one condition: that the state money saved in this way will go not into the pocket of some over-serving bureaucrat, but to the deed, to the benefit of the state ...

    PS Sometimes one wonders: why am I baking about the state so much ??? It would take care of me so ...
    I bake because I was born and raised in the USSR, and we, such mammoths, every year less and less ...
    I tremble with thought that at one far from perfect moment, my motherland will have grabbers at the helm, and below - office plankton and consumers ...

    What will they even eat then ??? Or a wizard on a blue helicopter will bring everything ???
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 15: 37 New
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      Sometimes one wonders: why am I baking about the state so much ???


      Yes, because you are a true citizen of Russia. Maybe you are one of those who cherish every "people's penny" invested in the good of Russia ... hi
  • muhomor 28 October 2015 15: 46 New
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    In the upcoming elections, our leading brilliant party (EP), led by its brilliant leader (DAM), will receive an unpleasant surprise! I personally campaign halfway through the house! Zadolbali these liberals, led by Chubais and Siluanov! I'll see how they get along with the communists in the government! Of course, they (as usual) will try again to hide behind the back of the GDP, but I think that for the third time they will not succeed! am
    1. Uncle Joe 29 October 2015 00: 02 New
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      In the upcoming elections, our leading brilliant party (EP), led by its brilliant leader (DAM)

      they will try again to hide behind the back of the GDP, but I think that for the third time they will not succeed!
      11.12.2007/XNUMX/XNUMX Putin supported Medvedev’s candidacy for president.
      “I fully support this proposal,” the head of state said. He noted. that "Medvedev has known for more than 17 years, he worked closely with him all this time."
      http://www.asiaplus.tj/ru/news/putin-podderzhal-kandidaturu-medvedeva-na-post-pr
      ezidenta

      24.04.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Vladimir Putin proposed Dmitry Medvedev for the post of chairman of United Russia
      http://www.1tv.ru/news/polit/205291

      03.10.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX Meeting with EP Asset
      Putin - “Thank you for your kind words, and for stating the fact that United Russia remains - in fact, it sounded - a reliable pillar of the state. You understand, this is an extremely important thing.
      Of course, support for the Government is very important, support for the President of a leading political force is very important, but most importantly, the party that I really created, and not just stood at the origins, to be precise, over the years of its existence, has become a reliable support of the state Russian. "
      http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/19356

      13.10.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX Russian President Vladimir Putin praised the government and the Central Bank for acting in times of crisis. “I allow myself to say kind words to the government of the Russian Federation, the Central Bank. Despite all the difficulties and difficulties that the Russian economy has encountered, our economic management team has demonstrated a high level of responsibility, consistency and consistently achieved results, ”Mr. Putin quoted Interfax from the VTB Capital forum“ Russia is Calling! ” .
      http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2831584

      14.10.2015/20151014/1301970265 Russian President Vladimir Putin awarded Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev the Order of Merit to the Fatherland, I degree, for his great contribution to the socio-economic development of the Russian Federation, a corresponding decree was published on the official Internet portal of legal information on Wednesday. http://ria.ru/society/XNUMX/XNUMX.html
  • fycom 28 October 2015 15: 50 New
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    Yes, the level of Comrade has not yet been reached: c. Such personalities are a great gift to the peoples and not so frequent.
    1. Buffalo 28 October 2015 16: 27 New
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      If desired, in the archives you can find documents on the periods of industrialization, military mobilization, and the restoration of the national economy. There are colossal volumes, rates, outstanding organizers!
      And, mind you, only with your money and your labor, in the absence of the majority of the male population who were at the front.
      True, using factories built with foreign support.
  • Cat man null 28 October 2015 16: 09 New
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    The article is written on the principle of "blood, sand and bees mixed".

    revenues from the regions are divided according to the principle of 70% - to the Federal Government, 30% remains in the field. In the regions, everything is impoverished, there is a complete collapse

    - about federal programs - forget?
    - about space, defense, about (continue yourself) - also forget?
    - “Krymnash”, with energy and just bridges - also forget?
    - Is that all, the regions will develop, equip?

    Do not make sneakers.

    immediately after the war, when there was a complete defeat of the economy, we built fifteen hundred enterprises a year

    and following:

    Meanwhile, credit resources in Russia are 24% per annum, and there are no cheap loans.

    Someone understood how “one and a half thousand enterprises per year” are related to “24% per annum”? I here - no.

    Further. I’ve already tried to reach the brain, I’ll try again:

    - Well, you can’t .. from the word at all .. compare the "enterprise" built "after the war" with the enterprise built now
    - different levels of technology, requirements are different .. a little factory, for the production of "the world's largest microcircuits", and a factory that produced .. sub cars that were in demand during the Union, because there were no other stupid ones - they are incomparable. In terms of costs, at least.

    "oil needle" (it is also "raw") - was already under the Union. Bucks were earned exactly from there, what, isn’t it? But you still needed bucks - and some technology and technology to buy, and Indus and just food ..

    "the ruble was stable" .. um ... much more stable - they stupidly planted for foreign exchange transactions. The ruble under the Union was in itself, no dollar was lying around there. But the country did need the dollar (see above).

    Well, let alone a chip like the “cashless ruble,” which in no way could be turned into cash — even tired of talking already. So he was "money for the development of industry."

    And, damn it, what to rub .. here, through one politician, ideologists and economists .. "I do not like the government" .. and that’s all. The depth of thought is striking simply.

    In short - an article as an analytics - complete .. um .. crap. IMHO wink
    1. Gardamir 28 October 2015 17: 16 New
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      - about federal programs - forget?
      - about space, defense, about (continue yourself) - also forget?
      - “Krymnash”, with energy and just bridges - also forget?
      - Is that all, the regions will develop, equip?
      All this was already in the USSR, why destroyed?
      "oil needle" (it is also "raw") - was already under the Union.
      Tell it to the Soviet ministers, here they will be surprised. For abroad, floor oil in the mid 70s, and more serious supplies from the mid 80s
      But you still needed bucks - and some technology and technology to buy, and Indus and just food ..
      do not forget that the Soviet Union was under real sanctions, not like the current liberals
      1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 17: 47 New
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        Quote: Gardamir
        All this was already in the USSR, why destroyed?

        - was Armata tank in the USSR?
        - was the C400 rocket in the USSR?
        - Krymnash - was also in the USSR?

        I don’t argue that a lot of things were destroyed by dope .. I’m just saying that a lot of new things were created .. like tongue

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        Tell Soviet ministers, they’ll be surprised

        This is difficult to do, for obvious reasons.

        Quote: Gardamir
        For abroad, floor oil in the mid 70s, and more serious supplies from the mid 80s

        I wrote there - "oil", she is "raw". What was Stalin preparing for war? Grain on the first day of the war inclusively went to Germany. And not only grain ..

        Speech, actually, that the production of the USSR (for the most part) was uncompetitive .. and the bucks were needed ..

        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Quote: Gardamir
        But you still needed bucks - and some technology and technology to buy, and Indus and just food ..
        do not forget that the Soviet Union was under real sanctions, not like the current liberals

        I don’t understand how my statement and your statement are related, explain, if possible ..
        1. Gardamir 28 October 2015 18: 37 New
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          I don’t understand how my statement and your statement are related, explain, if possible ..
          Regardless of whether the currency was in the country or not, many technologies simply did not sell to us, remember Jackson-Vanik, although now I proudly recall how we had a computer audience in the mid-80s.
          And about competitiveness, this case is well covered by Parshin's book Why Russia Is Not America. Well, my personal opinion, the main thing is not competition, the main thing is the provision of the people.
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            Regardless of whether the currency was in the country or not, many technologies simply did not sell to us, remember Jackson-Vanik, although now I proudly recall how we had a computer audience in the mid-80s.
            And about competitiveness, this case is well covered by Parshin's book Why Russia Is Not America. Well, my personal opinion, the main thing is not competition, the main thing is to ensure the people

            Gardamir, thanks, but we deviated from the topic:

            - I argue that the USSR economy "sat on the raw material needle" in the same way (to a lesser extent, however)
            - I argue that the products of the USSR were (mainly) uncompetitive in the foreign market
            - all this "worked" thanks mainly to the maximum "closeness" of the USSR to the outside world
            - at the same time, the USSR was almost a self-sufficient country (according to the principle - "what we need - we will do it ourselves, and what we cannot do - we don’t need it")
            - in those days, it was possible.

            Now this is impossible, just technically. One country cannot live outside cooperation with the rest, and yet occupy a worthy place in the world. An example for you-North Korea .. such hooligans

            Here, actually, what was the speech about ..
    2. EGOrkka 28 October 2015 17: 24 New
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      ...... in general, to prove something in the presence of a "theater group of" whistlers "not comrades" is practically impossible .... but probably not necessary ... the usual trolling of useless and unnecessary ones. For candy wrappers ... they completely "made happy "his country ... turning it into a ruin. It doesn’t reach the rest of their brain that the time of talkers .... is over .... has passed .... irrevocably. And people are waiting for specifics from the speaker, where ... how ... and how much ... better. tongue
      1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 17: 49 New
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        Quote: EGOrkka
        ...... in general, to prove something in the presence of a "theater group of" whistlers "not comrades" is practically impossible .... but probably not necessary ... the usual trolling of useless and unnecessary ones. For candy wrappers ... they completely "made happy "his country ... turning it into a ruin. It doesn’t reach the rest of their brain that the time of talkers .... is over .... has passed .... irrevocably. And people are waiting for specifics from the speaker, where ... how ... and how much ... better.

        Didn’t enter, I'm sorry .. is it a compliment, or a reason for a fight?

        Be simpler and people will reach for you .. yes
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      Thank you, Roman. On the whole I agree.
  • Moonsund 28 October 2015 16: 13 New
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    As a simple, excuse me, layman and law-abiding citizen, I pay taxes, I don’t hang around the Swamp and other muddy meetings, I support our president. I am ordinary and I don’t understand how to get out of this situation. I see one thing: Nothing HAPPENS. On the one hand, we cannot afford to swing, calmly raise industrial production, there is no time. On the other hand, I do not observe the forces that would ensure such a breakthrough. There are large-scale sectors that should remain with the state; there are those that private entrepreneurs should develop. I will leave the sovereign state. Where are exemptions for private business? Privileges? Affordable and easy loans? A short story from personal experience: in 2013, I tried to open a small IP, trading, honest, for trading water filters. Strictly Russian production. We agreed with the manufacturer directly. As expected, in the first year everything is difficult, no one expected anything else, we agreed with the partner to "tighten their belts" and suffer ... but when our accountant calculated the tax for the quarter ... we just oh. 3.14; whether% ... they paid the state only by getting into debt ... they didn’t earn anything, but they should ((see such a business. Maybe we have our hands out of ... s or our brains on one side, but let people breathe out! get on their feet! A situation when people they’ve taken up production, it’ll be even worse. My friend says that in Altai sowing rye to a farmer is a suicide. Everything will be fine exactly until the moment you take it to the elevator, which belong to the same people! You give a third of the crop for storage and processing ((All. Curtain. Sorry, a bit pent ...
    1. EGOrkka 28 October 2015 17: 33 New
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      Moonsund
      production, it will be even worse
      but when our accountant calculated the quarterly tax
      Perhaps we have hands from w ... s, or brains to one side, but let people breathe out!
      My friend says that sowing rye to a farmer in Altai is suicide.


      ...... you not only don’t know the situation ...... you turn everything upside down ... in the RFP ... And who says that any business makes a profit? ..and how did you initially calculate the business ... without tax? And who said that any product is in demand? hi
      1. muhomor 28 October 2015 17: 56 New
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        The chain of intermediaries from the elevator to the bakery is in the hands of intermediaries (according to the experience of the Kursk region, this is all North Caucasian from Cyprus!) Stunned! When everyone takes their time to date bread. If DAM wants to develop production, and not parasitic speculation, it is time for him to change the economic record! bully
        1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 18: 22 New
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          Quote: muhomor
          The chain of intermediaries from the elevator to the bakery is in the hands of intermediaries

          Supply chain, probably? But for a criminal, for example, it does not pull? Or something else to solve ..

          Or is it still personally DAM with GDP should be resolved? wink
        2. Vladimir 1964 28 October 2015 22: 37 New
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          If DAM wants to develop production, and not parasitic speculation, it is time for him to change the economic record!


          Dear Boris, unfortunately DAM and production are incompatible things; he (DAM) has no authority for creation in his brain. yes
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          .... and who prevents the switch to direct deliveries? laziness? or not the ability to negotiate? winked
    2. muhomor 28 October 2015 17: 47 New
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      Hurray DAM and EP! am
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        Hurray DAM and EP!


        Dear Boris, but for me the “Glory to the CPSU” is much cooler. wassat
    3. Uncle Joe 29 October 2015 00: 19 New
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      As a simple, excuse me, layman and law-abiding citizen, I pay taxes, I don’t hang around the Swamp and other muddy meetings, I support our president
      Well, do not be indignant.
  • raid14 28 October 2015 16: 15 New
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    What prevents to start the printing press? To sell US government bonds and use the proceeds to replenish the budget, there is not enough political will or the Central Bank is completely dependent on the US Federal Reserve. Significantly limit public procurement to officials on official cars, apartments, gifts, corporate parties and other excesses. Optimize departments of the FIU, FAS and others with an overblown staff. Who will allow it? Nizyayaya! They will cut the social policy in the old fashioned way, poor beggars and social payments will be left without compensation.
    1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 16: 42 New
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      Sell ​​US government bonds and put the proceeds into budget replenishment

      Another ekonomizd .. I outline, as it is, extremely simplified:

      - US government bonds for what you will sell? For baaaks, right?
      - What will you let to replenish the budget? Gained bucks? Strange somehow, don’t you?
      - in addition, US government bonds - they are the same bucks (they are in the "state reserve", along with, for example, gold)
      - but - blaming is not just bucks .. they bring income.. small, but quite true to himself.

      So it turns out that keeping "temporarily superfluous", free dollars - is more profitable (for the state) - precisely in these same treasures ..

      That’s if it’s really easy to say laughing

      Quote: raid14
      The Central Bank is completely dependent on the US Federal Reserve

      Again .. money for fish .. yes, it has not been addicted for a long time already .. the restriction "do not print national currencies more than you have dollars" - works only for the IMF debtor countries (damn it, forgot what this document is called, remind me, pliz , who can).

      The Russian Federation paid the debts of the IMF. Completely. The Central Bank of the Russian Federation does not depend on the Fed; tongue
      1. raid14 28 October 2015 17: 22 New
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        And what kind of pin-scammers are you bothering for, have your own tambourine interest? For debts of Russia, you should not write nonsense to help you anymore. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_Optional Debt_
        The external debt of Russia on loans to the Paris Club as of April 1, 2015 is $ 33,6 billion, the total debt as of April 1, 2015 is $ 552,9 billion.
        1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 18: 50 New
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          The external debt of Russia on loans to the Paris Club as of April 1, 2015 is 33,6 billion dollars, the total debt as of April 1, 2015 is 552,9 billion dollars

          You see .. Paris Club is a Paris Club. But the IMF is still the IMF. AND these are different organizations. Is it clear yet?

          We move on, slowly:

          The persistent misconception among local economists that now Russia can print rubles as much as it has dollars (+/-).

          This is the basic rule of the IMF - "Full Reservation"

          This rule is mandatory for IMF creditor countries (see Washington Consensus).

          The Russian Federation repaid IMF loans and is not obliged to follow this rule


          Quote: raid14
          help you wiki

          Not recommended, not the best source ...

          Quote: raid14
          do not write nonsense anymore

          This is for you, dear ..

          Quote: raid14
          And what kind of pin-scammers are you bothering for, have your own tambourine interest?

          This is also more likely to you, with such and such an avatar laughing
          1. raid14 28 October 2015 19: 08 New
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            Weakly, for unsubscribing and satisfying your own ego, it’s quite fine. There are 0 facts and arguments about the ratio of rubles to dollars at the wrong address. The profile picture is generally corny crying
            1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 19: 21 New
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              Quote: raid14
              The Central Bank is completely dependent on the US Federal Reserve

              You said?

              Quote: raid14
              about the ratio of rubles to dollars at the wrong address

              Show how, in addition to this restriction (which is no longer working), the Central Bank of the Russian Federation "depends" on the Fed.

              Just do not worry, but in the case, if not difficult ..
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                In the case, on a proposal to withdraw from circulation money invested in securities of an unfriendly state and place it in the Russian economy. You burst into a tirade of economicism.
                If the yield on American securities is 0 percent, why sponsor a state that has declared Russia an enemy and pursues a policy of sanctions?
                1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 20: 50 New
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                  Quote: raid14
                  If the yield on American securities is 0 percent, why sponsor a state that has declared Russia an enemy and pursues a policy of sanctions?

                  Without a clue, that's true repeat

                  Quote: raid14
                  proposal to withdraw from circulation money invested in securities of an unfriendly state and place it in the Russian economy

                  Do you know how to do this? IMHO - no. I - definitely not. And, apparently, not everything is simple there.

                  PS: Filing with the "Central Bank of the Russian Federation depends on the Fed" - there remains, purely academic interest, how you get out of it wink

                  There, below, one comrade already mentioned - the Bretton Woods, Jamaican conferences, and even the Carrence board .. maybe it will help ..
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                    "The Central Bank of the Russian Federation depends on the Fed" 100% not sure, but "tormented by vague doubts"?
            2. Sober 28 October 2015 21: 00 New
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              But, relevant.
      2. sa-ag 28 October 2015 17: 38 New
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        Quote: Cat Man Null
        - but - blaming is not just bucks .. they bring income .. small, but quite true to yourself.

        No longer, the Fed on government bonds set a zero interest rate
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          No longer, the Fed on government bonds set a zero interest rate

          Did not know thanks
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          Fed on government bonds set a zero interest rate
          Nifiga like that.
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        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Again .. money for fish .. yes, it has not been addicted for a long time already .. the restriction "do not print national currencies more than you have dollars" - works only for the IMF debtor countries (damn it, forgot what this document is called, remind me, pliz , who can).


        When someone already calms this cat down with at least a plate of mice in the Valerian.
        He hangs his clumsy knowledge on your ears. He does not know the decisions of the Bretton Woods Conference, the Jamaican Conference. He does not know what currency board is - pegging to the dollar. But for how confidently speaking economic nonsense. In my opinion - this is the usual TROL.
        Colleagues, DO NOT FEED TROLLEY !. Do not get involved in an argument with a cat.
        Trolls, like cockroaches, cannot be completely washed away.
        Get rid of one, a new one will always come in its place - there are a lot of idiots and sociopaths. The worst thing for a troll is when they pay no attention to it.
        The troll will just get bored and go to new "pastures".
        But before that, he will crawl out of his skin in order to still attract attention - personal insults, flood, etc., etc. will also be used.
        1. Sling cutter 28 October 2015 19: 12 New
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          When someone already calms this cat down with at least a plate of mice in the Valerian.

          this process excites him even more fellow
          Comrade, don’t need to feed them, absolutely yes
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        3. Cat man null 28 October 2015 19: 50 New
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          Quote: mrark
          personal insults, flood, etc., etc. will also be used.

          They, hike, already go. So far, only from you.

          Quote: mrark
          Bretton Woods Conference

          Briefly - introduced the "golden dollar", 35 per ounce, right?

          Quote: mrark
          Jamaican conference

          Briefly - the abolition of the gold content of currencies, floating exchange rates to each other, a basket of "reserve currencies"

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          currency board - peg to the dollar

          The dollar in the Russian Federation recently doubled. Do you think this is a currency board? fool

          So why all the scream? Where - show already - the dependence of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation on the Fed? Where's she? Awww ...

          PS: about mice in valerian - it was amusing .. just some mice, valerian on cats badly affects wink
        4. raid14 28 October 2015 20: 33 New
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          For my part, there were no insults against you, why do you get into someone else's conversation with raised tones? Maybe you should drink Valerian.
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          Something did not notice whom he had offended. And here your terminology most likely answers the parameters named by you.
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          Colleagues, DO NOT FEED TROLLEY !. Do not get involved in an argument with a cat.

          it’s normal, a person argues consistently and consistently, but it’s not in the mainstream commentary under a specific article - it’s not immediately important whether I agree with the cat or rather, but your accusation of trolling is much more like that.
          And so it always is - if a dispute has happened here (and there is a saying: the truth is born in a dispute), in addition to the one who is not in the trend of minuses (but it should be so, since he is not in the trend) - someone who screams : "Catch the troll"
          And it doesn’t matter if the Israelis bit with someone or the optimists with the pessimists
          - it’s just more convenient to hang tags and not understand.
  • Mareman Vasilich 28 October 2015 16: 15 New
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    Maybe we’ll pray to the authorities, she has a rating of 90%?
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      Sorry, dear Mareman Vasilich!
      If the authorities with a rating of 90% want to close up the holes created by them themselves, at the expense of the common people, if instead of real accounting and control of the means available in the country and their prudent use of “one,” they are engaged in the declension of the word “innovation” and applaud the manipulations of electronic hands (tasting dreams of "electronic raking pens"), then I don’t want to pray for them, but, excuse me, to urinate ... negative
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        Maybe we’ll pray to the authorities, she has a rating of 90%?

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        If the power is rated 90%

        Friends, who told you about such a rating? "puke"?
        zombodroscope?
        there is no rating! NO !!! yes
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          Speak rating? Well haha! Interestingly, they themselves guides, believe in polls, what do they do? am
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      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      Maybe we’ll pray to the authorities, she has a rating of 90%?

      Rating 90% - too optimistic. Now about 50% is likely. After Putin’s next speech - he rises to the notorious 90, after going shopping and receiving housing and communal services receipts - he falls below the baseboard.
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        after shopping and receiving housing and communal services receipts -
        and if everyone else stops watching TV and looks at real life, then there will be a real rating.
  • rennim 28 October 2015 16: 18 New
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    So let's see what sources of budget revenue will be provided to us by this Plan, for it is clear that the budget’s growth depends on the development of the economy. I can say that in the next three years there is nothing good.

    It seems to me that the author is naive. Is it not clear that our economy is focused on the LIBERAL model. And the liberal model does not imply a planned economy. That is. the development and construction of enterprises will NEVER be directed by the government and the president. Moreover, even existing state-owned enterprises continue to transfer to private hands naively assuming their development with the arrival of any investor. most often foreign. And then they will tear their hair and talk about the withdrawal of capital abroad . As if they do not understand that investors earn money not to spend it in the Russian Federation.
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      It is as if they do not understand that investors earn money not to spend it in the Russian Federation.

      They all understand perfectly. It’s one thing to give an investor to make money on the construction of the pipe (and let them drive them to their Westland) ... It’s another thing to involve him in the construction of an enterprise that will ensure the release of goods and the creation of jobs. After all, it is possible to attract investment in the construction of what pays off the investments, it will be economically profitable and it will be impossible to take out “this”.
      And the transfer of some enterprises and industries into private hands is akin to soaping the stranglehold. To be sure, for sure ... what
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    I know the only alternative plan for overcoming the crisis is Glazyev’s plan, as I understand it, it consists in controlling the export of capital and cheapening loans by injecting liquidity into the market. I remember that at the beginning of market reforms during Gaidar's shock therapy, such a thing was already done. People not yet accustomed to market reforms began to rebel. The government was frightened and, in addition to Gaidar, began throwing money into the market, which caused Gaidar to be hysterical and dismissed. However, against the background of democracy and free enterprise, this stuffing in Russia and Ukraine, then located in the ruble zone, led to corruption and furious inflation, officials who decided to give and not to build their first yachts on the Cote d'Azur, and business with I bought state property with pleasure and exported capital to the offshore, the production sector got almost nothing, prices rose by 20% per month. Therefore, before introducing Glazyev’s plan, reducing the percentage of the key rate, it is necessary to introduce corruption in a framework sufficient so that it does not affect the transfer of money to enterprises. At the same time, it will be necessary to take unpopular measures, limiting or at least lustering the export of capital. But our government WILL NOT go for it. Therefore, Glazyev’s plan is utopia.
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 17: 11 New
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      There is no economic plan now. There is a plan, but it is called:
      Marijuana has many names on the streets: plan, anasha, straw, greens, grass, Masha, a jamb, smoke, weed, ganja, grass and many others. For many, the plan has become something common. In the pockets of young people, a plan is not uncommon.

      An economic plan is when there is a certain prospect for the development of an economy (enterprise, industry). When investing in the economy guarantee a return and profit. When subjective reasons do not interfere with planning and the name of the main "glider" does not affect it. When the implementation of the plan may be affected by economic or political difficulties, but not corruption, bribery and embezzlement. When real goods, raw materials are produced and received to meet the needs of citizens of their country, and not with the aim of replenishing accounts abroad ... There are many more "when" ...
      So far, there has been a feeling that some figures are striving by any means to extend their involvement in planning our life with you in our country ...
  • Tambov Wolf 28 October 2015 16: 27 New
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    Articles of this kind have been written for more than a year. And things are still there. When the guarantor takes charge of putting things in order in the country, expels the liberal shusher, addresses the people, not the electorate, he will begin to really tear the West, transferring him from "friends and partners" to enemies, then it will be the real President, and now he is just a guarantor, listening to the headphones-oligarchs and repeating the liberal mantra.
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 17: 17 New
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      Articles of this kind have not been written for the first year ... then it will be the real President ...


      Moreover, they write even in poetic form !!! good

      Nikolay Nekrasov
      FORGOTTEN VILLAGE

      1

      Burmistra Vlas has a grandmother Nenil
      I asked to fix the hut in the forest.
      He answered: there is no forest, and do not wait - it will not be!
      "Here comes the master - the master will judge us,
      Barin himself will see that the hut is bad
      And he tells me to give it to the forest, ”the old woman thinks.
      2

      Someone next door, greedy extortioner,
      The peasants of the zemlyatse shack
      Delayed, cut off in a rogue manner.
      “Here comes the master: he will be surveyors! -
      Think peasants. - The master will say the word -
      And they will give our country back to us again. ”
      3

      I fell in love with Natasha, a free-range tiller,
      Yes, the German girl reread compassionate,
      Chief Executive Officer. “Wait, Ignasha,
      The master will come! ”Says Natasha.
      Small, large - a little bit of an argument -
      “Here comes the master!” - they repeat in chorus ...
      4

      Nenila is dead; on a strange land
      The neighbor dodger - harvest a hundredfold;
      Former boys go bearded;
      The free breadman fell into the soldiers,
      And Natasha herself doesn’t rave about her wedding ...
      The master is still gone ... the master is not going!
      5

      Finally one day in the middle of the road
      Hearing seemed to the train train:
      On the high coffins the oak stands
      And in the coffin is a gentleman; and behind the coffin - a new one.
      They buried the old, wiped away the new tears,
      He got into his carriage and left for St. Petersburg.
  • Dimon-chik-79 28 October 2015 16: 37 New
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    But now we are building one and a half thousand hypermarkets and office buildings! With such a level of corruption, we have 3,14 ... Reforms should begin from this, otherwise there will be no notorious import substitution!
  • NordUral 28 October 2015 16: 53 New
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    We must rely on their commodity production
    This and only this is our future. Otherwise, a third-rate robbed country within the Moscow principality. And this is, if they allow.
    And the remark - 1500 commissioned enterprises - these are 4-5 new productions on DAY !!!
    And the country was able to do this after an incredibly cruel and destructive test - the Great Patriotic War.
    And now, someone who wants to produce, but he does not have the means to do it, and this is a lot of money (I say from my own experience in production), there is no point in starting, you can’t do anything without equipment, production facilities and working capital. There is nothing to count on a loan, if there is nothing to lay, and the percentage on it is unbearable for production, especially at the initial stage. And on television screens glistening physiognomies flicker (as I see them and I can’t write about these types — I’ll be banned) and are encouraged to work for my own good and the good of the country. Hypocrites!
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 17: 24 New
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      It is very good that people appear in the country for whom flattering lies through the media begin to cause a feeling of disgust. It is true: "A well-fed hungry one does not understand!" (or more than once has? lol )
      And about the Moscow principality there was an assumption that it was copied from the Byzantine Empire. A hypertrophied administrative association in which even waste management is a problem ...
    2. Uncle Joe 29 October 2015 00: 31 New
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      Quote: NordUral
      1500 enterprises put into operation are 4-5 new productions on DAY !!!
      And the country was able to do this after an incredibly cruel and destructive test - the Great Patriotic War.

      And on television screens glistening physiognomies flicker (as I see them and I can’t write about these types — I’ll be banned) and are encouraged to work for my own good and the good of the country. Hypocrites!
  • Vanya2013F 28 October 2015 17: 09 New
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    An acquaintance studying in Moscow told the following story: Asked at Dean for a new year to go home early, not 30 but 25, the dean said well it’s good for you to get far to home, especially since you live not in Russia, but he lives in Magnitogorsk. So all that is east of Moscow is not Russia in the understanding of many residents of the center. What else can you talk about.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2015 17: 17 New
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    “Immediately after the war, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year”
    everything is very simple right after the war, for which individual officials are doing it and the “bourgeois” have put up against the wall without much discussion, and now they told me at yantarenergo that it takes 30 (TWO) years to develop and install a village transformer with a power of 2 kW and only after appeals to the President’s office were made in three months, and earlier in the year they made a project of factories.
    and until for this whole mess no one will be personally liable
    1. yuriy55 28 October 2015 17: 32 New
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      This is understandable, because no one (in the first persons of the country) came up with the idea of ​​selling national wealth for green papers. And they taught their children in their country ... The truth and everything that they (OH) left (and) after themselves:
      By the beginning of World War II, the state treasury had about 2 tons of gold, which showed the effectiveness of Stalin's work and methods. It was this reserve that helped Russia win this war in the future and completely restore the country from collapse and ruin. Before his death, Stalin was able to transfer 800 tons of gold to the state, having almost managed to restore the reserve, which was in 2500.

      http://zolotoexpert.ru/zolotoi-zapas-sssr.html
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir 28 October 2015 18: 43 New
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        And they taught their children in their country ...

        I will say more their children were at the front and not casinos
  • MIKHAN 28 October 2015 17: 31 New
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    Good article ... It’s immediately obvious who and what is on the site and in the country! Here are however many of them! hi(chopped up our brother powerfully ..))))) Soon they will fill me up .. Goodbye comrades .. If that! hi
    1. EvgNik 28 October 2015 18: 25 New
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      Good article ... It’s immediately clear who and what is on the site and in the country

      Quote: MIKHAN
      Goodbye comrades .. If that!

      Yes, at first it seemed that the article was a passing article, and such passions flared up!
      Just in case: goodbye dear comrade, we will remember you!
      1. Karabanov 28 October 2015 21: 29 New
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        But what a passion! It is noticeable, despite the foreign political successes, society began to peer inside the country and think more ... And this is good.
      2. afdjhbn67 29 October 2015 04: 59 New
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        Just in case: goodbye dear comrade, we will remember you!

        In the sense of going where cheers chants and the brain is not needed by definition, the demiators in the internet spilled sea ..
  • NDR-791 28 October 2015 17: 32 New
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    An amazing thing: immediately after the war, when there was a complete defeat of the economy, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year. Meanwhile, credit resources in Russia cost 24% per annum, but there are no cheap loans
    Yeah. A loan for 5% per annum to Ukraine and they don’t want to give back their own, starting from 19%, and this is for production ... There are NO economists in our government !!! Some financiers, but they operate with concepts such as "GDP growth", which is absolutely not tied to reality! Well, yes this is a long conversation and quite provable with quite simple examples ...
  • bubla5 28 October 2015 18: 21 New
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    The country is run by some m-Dacians at one time, it was even prestigious, trained in the USA, and you think they are patriotic and will work for Russia
  • bubla5 28 October 2015 18: 30 New
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    Maybe in times of crisis it is necessary to abolish the Duma, there were such times in the history of Russia, and the budget was saved, otherwise they reached retirees
  • kuz363 28 October 2015 19: 00 New
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    "we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year." The author is certainly right, but forgot to mention where the funds for such construction came from. And inside the country, due to Stalin's bonds, which were forcibly bought at the expense of wages by workers. Those. money was left very little for food to the family. And repaid them in Khrushchev’s times by year of release. I was still a kid and I remember it well. My mother had a whole bunch of such bonds. Needless to say, their real value under Stalin was much higher than under Khrushchev, especially after the monetary reform of 1961. And the qualifications of the population were different. There weren’t so many managers, lawyers, economists, sociologists, political scientists ... Ie there was someone to work in enterprises and in agriculture. Well, plus heroism and popular enthusiasm at that time, unlike the current
  • Tsvetkov 28 October 2015 19: 07 New
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    A good article, necessary, about agriculture, to a point, about machine tool building, too, we have not restored a single factory, not a single factory, Nothing !!! since supermarkets are being built, where it is drastically unclear to produce in this country is not profitable -Stuffed by taxes-prices for energy resources and the like-it’s estimated-better so-buy, sell-huckster has a huckster. I’m engaged in breeding pigs, I sold 2 carcasses — for such a mother — at prices of 250 per kilo these pigs go gold !!! I work myself and don’t pay taxes, I don’t pay anything, but if you pay someone a salary taxes and so on you’ll fly off the pipe right away !!! - and if there’s also a loan .... uuu then immediately into the loop. no one will ever do anything here !!! and even if they wanted to, we already had all the collective farm and collective farm lands sold out and plundered, even on Onega sold all the islands !!! - and nothing was restored, not a single enterprise !!!
  • DPN
    DPN 28 October 2015 19: 26 New
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    But what’s stopping you from knowing? Peacefulness to your environment, it’s easier to engage in talking more than a long time to plant a couple of dozen from the Kremlin camarilla, and publicly put some to the wall ..

    He can not put to the wall, those who brought him to power. Russia follows a simple path, it is easier to feed a bunch of OLIGARCHS than the entire people of RUSSIA. In the USSR, a person worked for 8 hours, and now from 12. hours to infinity or simply BOMS the state for hell.
    One bad luck RUSSIA with rulers only once every 100 years.
  • Vlad5307 28 October 2015 19: 39 New
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    Quote: Babr
    Our entire economic system is almost completely copied from yours, with the only difference being that we have capitalism, private producers, and we never achieved more than 15% growth, while you, with public ownership of the means of production, reached 30% or more. All of our firms have your slogans of the Stalin era. ”

    Well, the ideologists of liberal capitalism are like an aspen stake for a non-human being! Therefore, articles about the bloodthirsty Stalin slip in the liberal press, but never mention that over the years of their liberal reforms, the country lost several million able-bodied people, the foundation of the country's economy was destroyed, etc. Until we leave the model of liberal capitalism, the country will hang like a horseradish in an ice hole! As an economist, Putin is nobody, but his liberal friends hang noodles on his ears! It is necessary to change the vector of the country's development, but for now only one is talked about import substitution, like Gorbachev's about perestroika - all in one! And this stupidity is expensive for the country and people. It is not necessary to deal with import substitution, but to restore engineering in industry and create large agricultural holdings, ensuring their development. And you need to plan not even for three, but for five years, and for this you need to have a development strategy for the country, and not have shares in oil and gas companies! am
  • gammipapa 28 October 2015 20: 04 New
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    And what's wrong? In the regions there is really no money, and for a long time. I never considered myself a marsh, I despise such obscurantists. But the truth of life is in front of her eyes. Two weeks we are looking for a job with my daughter, a red diploma, some five ... no work really, salaries 8-10 tons. Moreover, as a rule, the budget has already been cut so much that the work that two three people used to do now is now done by one and this is for 10 tons. Well, somehow we will survive of course, but why should we survive in our state and on our land? Is it fair?
    1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 20: 30 New
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      In the regions there is really no money and for a long time

      They steal, apparently .. and give there not 30, but 80% - they also steal them. The bottom line will be the same. For some reason, everyone is waiting for Putin to personally transplant all thieves among them, but at the same time he will restore order in the stairwell. Yes, he will not do this, and besides yourself - no one will.

      Quote: gammipapa
      red diploma, some five

      School, university? If a university - then what kind of specialty, if not secret, of course?

      Quote: gammipapa
      the budget has been cut so much that the work that two three people used to do now is now done by one and this is for 10 tons

      Obviously not very physically intense work ..
      1. olimpiada15 28 October 2015 21: 22 New
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        I will support gammipapa regarding work-work for graduates of technical universities. They don’t even look at the diploma, send a resume and silence, do not even invite for an interview.
        1. Cat man null 28 October 2015 21: 41 New
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          Quote: olimpiada15
          I will support gammipapa ..

          You are clairvoyant, obviously: as long as gammipapa hasn’t answered - options like this are visible:

          - diploma after school, there is no specialty as such, we can’t work hard or don’t want to
          - red diploma of the university, lawyer, economist .. it is clear that their search is now
          - indeed - a university and a technical specialty .. it’s already interesting - what kind, and what kind of offices there are in the area where work is sought.

          I can tell you in secret the place where just techies are recruited .. but - they want MIPT, MEPhI, MAI, MPEI (I don’t remember what their name is there now, but they want it from there). And the salary of a young specialist there is much more than 8-10 thousand.
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          CRAFTS are needed, and the owners of the masters - masters will manage as well.
    2. Sober 28 October 2015 21: 12 New
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      I can not agree, not fair.
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      DPN 29 October 2015 18: 17 New
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      For our state, this is true if you eat normal sausage or cheese, then our oligarchs will not be able to live over the hill and buy castles. the country made this choice in 1991.
  • SPACE 28 October 2015 22: 25 New
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    Yes, it is difficult to teach or explain something to fools. They have no brains to think or cannot or do not want to, typical stereotyped emotions of the proletariat, overexcited from the most terrible injustice, by the way very spectacularly touched by a stupid article of a clear liberal.
    Standard divorce, at one time there were a lot of such articles here. They brought a type of plausible comparison of the construction of factories in the USSR after the Second World War and right there for convenience, so that the Muscovite wouldn’t strain the client, they indicated the culprits in order to quickly overexcite the people to the next revolutionary breakthrough. It is true to think, and to whom and why do we need the construction of these consumer goods factories? Probably once. Maybe the state needs to get into small and medium-sized businesses, and who guarantees the sale of goods from these factories and which by the way will cost more than what is already available on the market, maybe pathetic patriots themselves will flaunt in the same type of underpants in the same type of pants or may close the border to force domestic purchases ? They even crushed Europe with Chinese cheap goods, but they took it out and built it as a local factory like after the war, yeah, and how it doesn’t)))
    the government doesn’t know))) it’s not known to the patrites that the construction of unnecessary industries is tantamount to throwing gold and gold reserves into the furnace, part of the money will certainly be plundered to the state. construction sites, the other will go west as payment for equipment.
    And one more thing, a modern robotic processing complex will replace dozens of turners and milling machines along with machine tools, and a modern multilayer plastic pipe extrusion plant serviced by 10 employees has a productivity of 10 times more than the Soviet pipe plant for 1500 people, well, who needs it more factories?
    Z.Y. the article is most likely posted to support site traffic by people with a non-traditional political orientation, and that, democratic, profitable and most importantly, everything is under control))
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      From here a conclusion, and why the hell in the territory of RUSSIA population of 145 million, Thatcher said enough 15 mil.?
  • Evgeniy30 28 October 2015 22: 45 New
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    an amazing thing: immediately after the war, when there was a complete defeat of the economy, we built one and a half thousand enterprises a year. Meanwhile, credit resources in Russia cost 24% per annum, but there are no cheap loans.

    Because the Soviet economy was oddly effective! Moreover, it is necessary to abandon the pernicious interest system. And our government, consisting of liberoids, does nothing but rely on certain investors.
  • Zomanus 29 October 2015 00: 20 New
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    In any production, there is such a thing as costs and production costs.
    It’s clear that if we are talking about the production of weapons for our country,
    then these values ​​cannot be reduced.
    Although the implementation of contracts for the supply of arms for export allows you to cover part of the costs
    on the production of weapons for Russia. This would not be like in the Union,
    when the whole country worked for the defense industry.
    And in the production of agricultural products and livestock, costs can and should be reduced.
    That would not bury the funds in the barren land.
    And when agricultural products of normal quality, even taking into account the costs of logistics,
    costs less than its similar products, you should probably make a choice in the direction of cost savings.
    1. SPACE 29 October 2015 06: 07 New
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      And in the production of agricultural products and livestock, costs can and should be reduced.

      Well, go ahead, what are we sitting on, do not scold the bags, tear the priest off the chair and go ahead with business or wait for the state to provide you with all the conditions, and also do it for you, well, then you need such a fuck. Even if the state creates all the conditions for this, where the guarantee that you are all so smart, I’m sure, because I know from the first person that half if not more than the state’s agricultural privileges are stupidly swept away, and some will be left for nothing, they’ll change for bucks , withdraw from the country and buy Chinese goods. And there are a lot of such boobies and cynical businessmen, including among you, it’s pointless to burn state reserves, without developing production, they only breed corruption. And those who really want to do business, work and successfully develop without any help and participation of the state, without any benefits.
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      DPN 29 October 2015 18: 41 New
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      Once upon a time there was a slogan Economy - it should be economical, the country did not become. Leaders of the country should not run abroad for permanent residence.

      Old Man Lukashenko acted wisely for the collapse of the country Shushkevich gave a pension to a simple hard worker.
      how I worked and got it.
  • Governor 29 October 2015 01: 08 New
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    Hmm, now all the new buildings - houses and industrial buildings are built just like a * ram. And abandoned Soviet small farms are in the regions and are not going to rot! Every time I pass them, it becomes very sad. But at the same time, there is a clear understanding that the USSR is the best thing that has happened to Russia and neighboring states.
  • Zomanus 29 October 2015 04: 36 New
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    The state wants to grow, let it put the man of labor at the forefront.
    So that the worker knows that he is guaranteed employment,
    normal working conditions, social.
    As there according to Stalin, "providing decent living conditions for the worker,
    we give him the opportunity to improve in the professional field. "
    He retold it in his own words.
    And now we have a relation to the person of work as an instrument,
    "ditched one, went and bought another."
    And who will go to work in the workshop under such conditions?
    And if it goes, who will focus on work,
    without thinking about how to survive his family.
    So we have that until we begin to improve life
    working man, we will not create anything worthy.
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  • Stalnov I.P. 29 October 2015 08: 43 New
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    As long as these two lawyers and the rotten eggs of the government and two pipettes from the Central Bank are in economic power, there will be no complete lack of professionalism, vision of the problems of the entire national economic complex as a whole, prospects for its development, strategic thinking and planning, political will that was LENIN and STALIN, the primary increase in the standard of living of the main part of the PEOPLE, and not a bunch of sloppies, dumbasses and sticking, creating comfortable conditions for the economy, doing business, personal development, ensuring the safety of the population from criminal elements and corrupt officials of all stripes and positions of all this is ours the authorities could not do it and I think it is unlikely to be able to. Weak ones they are, played up in law, there is no core.
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      It’s just that they are embedded in capitalism, and people want something else — justice.
  • Straight 29 October 2015 12: 15 New
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    Or maybe in order to say goodbye to this comprador capitalism, we should forever drink all its charms to the bottom? You see, it is impossible to raise the economy in such a social order. For 25 years, the bosses have been groaning and telling us on television and on gliders at work how bad and will be even worse. Tired of these anti-crisis plans, similar to self-liquidation. And this despite the fact that there was no war, earthquakes and tsunami. And what happened was the brazen looting of the country and people. And look at how our "patriotic" authorities stand guard over this plunder - prosecutorial casinos, Serdyukovshin-Vasilyevshin, the right of new "feudal lords" to crush people on the roads with impunity, etc. - a good example. To get rid of this evil, one must hate it and this process is going on ...
  • Leeder 29 October 2015 16: 26 New
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    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: LeeDer
    So they are looking for ways out, believe me, this is not from a good life.

    Not looking there ...
    As M. Delyagin recently told - over this year, the budget surplus has already amounted to more than 9 trillion rubles, as a result of its inefficient implementation. There is no shortage!
    This amount would allow for 8 months in general, not to collect any fees and taxes throughout the country.
    Inefficiency - this became the crown of the Medvedev government (9 trillion rubles of unfinished factories, roads, etc.). This is simply a sabotage of the implementation of the May 2012 presidential decrees. Instead of creating production and stimulating business development through the organization of small enterprises and job creation, which entails an increase in the tax base and tax collection, an improvement in the standard of living and, as a consequence, an increase in the birth rate, the government acts exactly the opposite, without risking just getting in to the defense industry, for now it’s definitely possible to sit on a bench. In all other respects, all reforms are slipping, and it turns out that they want to have a tax on the footage of an unwoven fabric.
    A deputy or a senator receives 450 thousand rubles, which, in terms of a pension of 10 thousand, would allow for 45 pensioners a month. But the people’s representatives "can’t do anything in the least" have a desire to double their content because, in addition to laws that worsen the situation of citizens, they produce nothing more.
    Let them optimize their bureaucratic army and bring their salaries to the national average of 25-35 thousand, which they like to trump and which they receive by dividing the salaries of the oilman and the nurse.
    Then that's enough.

    But do not you think that redistributing money from other sectors to pension contributions is a little wrong? I didn’t say that there is absolutely no money in the Russian Federation, just today we’ll take it in retirement, tomorrow, and then? The problem must be solved now, otherwise another 20 years will need to be done in the same way until the children born in 2005 and later (or when we have begun to increase the birth rate) grow up?
    ZP of the deputy 450 thousand, it agrees much. If you don’t have to pay anything at all, you can add 10 20 people for each thousand (250t. * 450 / 450t.) This is a drop in the bucket, against the background of millions of pensioners!
    And if deputies have a salary like pensioners, the fight against corruption will be nothing more than a profanity ...
  • ermolai 29 October 2015 18: 23 New
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    Quote: Lead
    social benefits for the population, huge amounts of money were invested in the defense industry, space, science and the quality of life was higher in the 70-80s than now

    so it is, but why are you missing the 37-39th year? when echelons to Vanino, then by steamboats and to Kolyma replenish the gold reserve, and the whole army on slavish terms for minuscule rations for 12-16 hours seven days a week replenished the treasury. I just want to say the cannibalistic methods reigned supreme, but the teams were executed on the run, and some human rights defenders-liberalists had already been sent to the Belomor Canal or Dneproges to practice, do you want this?
    tell me, the VSA is there and there, but what is sitting there behind the thorn today more than the Gulag has visited all the time, and the FSA is increasing the penny for GDP, is this not known to you?
    I think it is necessary for the government to return the Central Bank, agriculture, railway, energy to the state administration, and again carefully consider and adopt Glazyev’s plan, change the EBN Constitution, and nationalize the bowels. and further according to plan. I understand that not all at once, but this must be sought.
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    DPN 29 October 2015 19: 01 New
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    What is a pension fund is a young generation that creates wealth today, and they hang noodles on our ears. There will be no young, pensioners will die of starvation. And we are talking about some US Treasury papers.
    probably all for tagged how many professed talkers on a TV show speaks.