Aramaic brotherhood

Fighting on the Syrian land, Russia protects the spirit of the ancestors


When Russia supported Syria, many noticed the obvious: the similarity in the names of the two countries, as if talking about a certain kinship of our peoples. Traces of their proximity can really be found in stories. It was the memory of the Russian soul that called us to help the Syrians on the land of our ancestors. Therefore we are at war.

“The emergence of Russia as a state is like a lightning,” writes Alexander Peresvet in his work “Slavs and Russ according to Arab sources”. “There was nothing just on the vast Eastern European plains, except for the endless forests and legends about the peoples inhabiting them. And suddenly the swords of the Varangian squad sparkle - and in the place of this ethnically-geographical form the huge state appears - an area with good France. For twenty years, some Varangians - not known to anyone in Western Europe - not only captured the second such Europe, but also created a powerful state here, almost conquering Constantinople itself! ”

Where did the tribe with such drive come from?

Russ not Slavs


The temptation to withdraw Rus from the Slavs is understandable. But sources do not confirm this version. So, the Byzantine emperor Konstantin Bagryanogidny directly contrasts the Russian and Slavic names of the Dnieper rapids. The references to the Russes among the Arabs and Persians are found in the stories about the events of the 5th – 7th centuries. Rurik - the founder of the ancient Russian state - is called the Varangian in them. For some reason, we have assumed that the Vikings are Scandinavians. But the connection between the Rus and the Scandinavians is refuted by Ibn Ruste, who in 903 – 913's work reports that the leader of the Rus was the Khakan. This Eastern concept does not apply to the leaders of the Scandinavians or Western Slavs.

The following testimony comes from 920 from Ibn Fadlan, who personally saw the Rus, spoke directly with them and did not notice anything in common with the Slavs in their rites, clothes and weapons.

Based on the analysis of relevant Arabic communications, Peresvet concludes that the Slavs preceded the Rus in the Eastern European space. The relations between them in the perception of the Arabs experienced several stages:

hostility and aggression by the Rus,
the occupation of the Slavs by the Rus,
Union,
gradual fusion in customs and rites,
Transferring the name of the Rus to the Slavs.


Russes and Slavs merged only under Vladimir the Holy in the X century. Before that, they remained an independent people, well known in Germany. German chroniclers called them Rugi. The merger process, which began in the 9th century, was long and thorny.

In general, on the basis of the analysis, Peresvet comes to the following:

1. Both Western and Eastern authors generally separate the Slavs from the Rus.

2. Judging by the complex of archaeological and chronicle sources, the lands of the Eastern Slavs were seized in the 860-ies by the peoples, who were called Rus.

3. According to Arab sources, there was a gradual merger of the Rus and Slavs, as a result of which the Russian people emerged.

The builders of Jerusalem


The Arab geographer and cartographer Al-Idrisi, who lived and worked in Palermo, argued that the Ruses in prayers called themselves Urus. Urus in Turkic means Russian. Tatars spoke Russian or Urus. These words are part of the two names of one city in the Middle East - Ruskhalimum (according to the ancient Egyptian manuscripts) and Urusalim (in the Tel-El-Amarn archive documents).

Aramaic brotherhoodThe second part in these names, Halim or Alim in Arabic, means good, meek, wise, anointed by God.

Rus-Halimum or Urus-Alim - the ancient names of Jerusalem.

Jebus is another name found in the Old Testament. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia writes: "Jebus is the same as Jerus." The prefixe in Aramaic means holy, sacred, priest.

The tribe of Jebusites owned the city and is considered its founder. But since Jebus and Jerus are one and the same, then Jebusites are Jerusai.

Historians have no consensus about the origin of this tribe, which is repeatedly mentioned in the Old Testament as the indigenous people of Jerusalem. The name goes back to the Aramaic language, since it was spoken by the inhabitants of Palestine, Galilee and Damascus. The speakers of this language were the Aramese - this was the name given to a group of Semitic tribes who roamed mostly on the territory of modern Syria. From this it follows that the Rus and Syrians were close tribes who lived in the Middle East, where Aramaic became the common language of communication.

Rushalim (Urusalim) was also called Zion. The Ruses founded this city at the end of the 3rd millennium BC and owned it before the Israelis, who seized it by force.

Archaeologists were surprised by the technology used by the builders of Jerusalem. Historians write that at the base of the walls of the city, and in particular of the Jerusalem Western Wall (Wailing Walls), which stood without solution for about three thousand years, are huge blocks, weighing 40 – 60 tons, ground at the junctions and fitting to each other (in the gap between they do not even pass a sheet of paper). Similarly built the temple of Jupiter in Balbec. Some sections of its base weigh 800 – 1000 tons. This construction exceeds the pyramid of Cheops, the largest granite blocks of which weigh 50 – 80 tons. Thus, the builders of Jerusalem - the Rus (Jebusites) was an ancient highly developed civilization.

Among the Jebusites mentioned in the Bible is Orna (Arona, Adon). The word “adon” is related to the meaning of the lord, the king. There is a version that he was the last king of Jerusalem before the Israelis captured him. King Orna bought a barn from Orna, where he made an altar. At this place the son of David, King Solomon, later built the first temple in Jerusalem.

The tribes of Judah and Benjamin did not succeed in driving out the Jebusites from Jerusalem. The city was taken by King David, but he could not remove the indigenous people from it. Therefore, the Jebusites remained to live among the Israelites together with the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. But in the 8th – 7th centuries BC, the captivity and resettlement of the tribes of Israel took place, which was accomplished by the Assyria who defeated them, and then continued by Babylon. What was the fate of the Rus (Jebusites)?

From one mother and father


Apparently, many of them remained in Judea or returned there. But most of the Rus, along with the exiled tribes of Israel, left their land. Their trail can be searched by referring to geographic names. On the territory of Chechnya, for example, there is a place Urus-Martan, that is, Russian Martan (“Martan” is the word meaning abundance, abundant food).

The territory of Chechnya, as is known, was part of the Khazar Kaganate. Nina Vasilyeva in the book “Russian Khazaria” cites the following excerpt from the anonymous Arabic source “Collection of Stories” (1126 year): “It is also said that Rus and Khazar were from the same mother and father. Then Rus grew up and since he did not have a place that he would have liked, he wrote a letter to Khazar and asked that part of his country to settle there. ”

That is, Rus and Khazar were perceived as kindred tribes, and above all because they spoke the same language (after all, one wrote another letter). They could have been Aramaic, rooted in Old Quana, spoken by the Ruses, and perceived by the tribes of Israel.

Lev Gumilyov wrote: “The power in the Khazar Kaganate belonged to the Jews of Radanit (that is, the merchants from the tribe of Dan. - T. G.), who were not connected in any way with the Khazars. In the IX – X centuries, the ruling elite of the Khazars became a socio-political chimera. ”

The Khazarokratia formed by the Radanite merchants began to worship idols, in particular the golden calf. Shlomo Zand writes: “In the period when Khazars adopted Judaism, copies of the Talmud were still very rare, which allowed many proselytes to return to ancient cults, and sometimes to practices such as sacrifices.” This Judaism, which the ruling elite began to impose in Khazaria, had nothing to do with the Old Testament teaching of Moses. And this “Judaism of faith”, as stated in the Bakhshi Iman chronicle, caused a protest by the Uruses.

The period of 839 – 840 in Khazaria was marked by the intensification of the civil war, which, according to the annals of 1229 – 1246, was exclusively religious in nature and represented the struggle of two different Kagan clans. One professed Judaism, the other remained loyal to Tengriism. The war was waged for power, but in the name of the victory of Judaism and its establishment in the Khazar state as a state religion.

The civil war was accompanied by the resettlement of the Rus in the territory already mastered by the Slavic tribes, as well as separation from the Khazars. The point of no return was the assassination of the leader of the Urus uprising in 840. Almost at the same time, in 839, the first mention of the Rus people and their ruler, who is called kagan (Khakan), appears in some Western and Arabic sources. This is how a state formation appears, which will be called the Russian Kaganate - Primordial Rus (Dorurikovskaya Rus). At the same time, the Ruses began to be mentioned in the chronicle sources as a separate people, and their leader was called the Khagan, which corresponds to the status of an independent supreme ruler in the tradition of ancient Jerusalem.

Russian Kaganat


Among the options for the location of the Russian Khaganate, various historians call the Middle Dnieper, the Slavic north (Ladoga — the Rurikovo settlement in Novgorod — Rostov — Staraya Russa), the Azov region, the region from the Left Bank of the Dnieper to the Middle Don and Upper Oka, the Don Region. In the 10th century, the Black Sea in the Arabic language from Khazar turns into Russian.

From this it follows that the Russian Khaganate included a part of the territory inhabited by the Rus, which had separated from Khazaria as a result of the civil war. It also includes the territories occupied by Slavic tribes, where the Ruses moved to fleeing from the war. Such a spatial variation indicates that the Russian Khaganate should be understood as the totality of state entities created by the Rus, headed by the kagan, according to ancient Eastern tradition.

Traces of the Rus (Uruses, Jebusites) we also find in the territory of Moldova and Transnistria. Thus, in Moldova, the surname Russu is in the first place by distribution, Russnak is no less popular, and in the same place in the south of Ukraine the surname Turcan is quite frequent, consonant with the name of the Hagan Rusa Chekana, which is mentioned in the Bertinsky annals.

The Rus (Ieva-sei) who lived in Canaan were engaged in trade. According to the Old Testament, merchants are sometimes referred to as the Canaanites. It is characteristic that the word “Varyag” (the self-name of the ancient Rus) meant a merchant, merchant, warrior, defender of the faith, armed guardian of the territory of Russia.

“The first credible mention of Rusas in Arab-Persian literature,” writes the medievalist Elena Melnikova, “is connected with the description of the route of the Rus merchants from Eastern Europe to Baghdad and Constantinople. This message belongs to the author of the IX century Ibn Hordadbeh. Climbing along the Don, and then descending down the Volga, merchants, Russes fell into the Caspian Sea, where they landed with goods "on any bank." According to Ibn Hordadbeh, the merchants of the Rus claimed that they were Christians, and on the territory of the Caliphate they paid a poll payment from the Gentiles in the Muslim states. ”

Russian-Vikings and founded the Russian statehood - Russia.

After the defeat of the Khazars, its rulers, the Radanity merchants from the tribe of Dan, who worshiped the golden calf, fled to Europe and, thanks to their huge money, were able to bring the royal houses of Europe under control.

In the New Testament among the tribes of Israel that will be saved in finite times, only the tribe of Dan is not mentioned. According to the prophecies, the antichrist will come from him and it will lead him to power. It is with this force that we encountered today in Syria.
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  1. chunga-changa 28 October 2015 14: 51 New
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    Understood. Survived. The next "brother" drew. To whom to give our money, for whom to shed blood?
    The temptation to withdraw Rus from the Slavs is understandable. But sources do not confirm this version.

    Particularly gifted, multinational, “Tatyana Grachev,” I explain. “Sources” are now of no interest to anyone, because they were left at one time as the same “Tatyana Grachevs” and their descendants copied. Instead of sources, a genetic map of Europe was compiled, on which everything is simple and clear. If the “Aramaic brotherhood” where it exists, then it’s Ossetia and Chechnya, turn to them for money and blood and contact them, damn brothers have turned up.
    http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4523/98512220.0/0_cad08_c1407cb8_orig
    1. Bayonet 28 October 2015 15: 14 New
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      Quote: chunga-changa
      Understood. Survived. The next "brother" drew

      As if we are tightly friends with someone, it begins - “Oh, how we are alike”, “How much we have in common”, etc. etc.
      And how to beat the pots - let's water! smile
    2. vladek64 28 October 2015 15: 23 New
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      Do not stop Tatyana Gracheva.
      She had a little more left and she would find out that the real Russians were Jews!
      Then you can laugh.
      1. matross 28 October 2015 15: 44 New
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        Quote: vladek64
        Then you can laugh.

        Just say something, why do you need a reason?
        Dear Tatyana Gracheva - thanks for the next interesting article.
        Those who want to argue - argue, arguing.
        Others laugh and strive to kick hi
        1. Geronimo73 28 October 2015 16: 02 New
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          yes, and gh many thanks to Anderson and the Grimm brothers for their interesting articles! sorry that they do not write more ....
        2. vladek64 28 October 2015 16: 03 New
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          Quote: matRoss
          Those who want to argue - argue, arguing.


          Well, how can one argue with stupidity. This will only give her weight.
          Unfortunately, I don’t remember who said: “You don’t have to fight stupidity. It must be inflated like a balloon ... until it bursts.”
          So the best answer to Gracheva’s stupidities is a healthy laugh.
          What I wish you fellow
          1. matross 28 October 2015 16: 19 New
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            After all, are you familiar with the term “historical hypothesis”?
            Nonsense - this, for example, modern Ukrainian "historical science" - protoukry, Black Sea diggers, etc.
            By the way, I did not say that I agree with Tatyana in fact. Or do not agree. Unfortunately, not sufficiently educated in this area of ​​historical knowledge. But the hypothesis seemed interesting to me, so I allowed myself to express respect to the author.
            And no one objects to healthy laughter. It will be funny - we laugh. Or maybe someone is spoiling. hi
            1. Throw 28 October 2015 18: 19 New
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              Hypotheses are good in unexplored areas of science, not history.
              Overtones and reformatting of self-awareness begin with such “hypotheses” -throws.
            2. Bayonet 28 October 2015 18: 19 New
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              Quote: matRoss
              After all, are you familiar with the term “historical hypothesis”?
              Nonsense - this, for example, modern Ukrainian "historical science" - protoukry, Black Sea diggers, etc.

              A shovel has not yet been found, therefore also hypotheses, funny but hypotheses smile
            3. Nikolay K 28 October 2015 23: 32 New
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              Indeed, in Arab sources there is information about the existence of the Russian Kaganate with the capital at the Seversky Donets in the present Lugansk region during the Doryurik period. East Slavic tribes glade and drevlyane apparently already then entered the zone of influence of the Russian Haganate. The Russian Kaganate competed with the Khazar for territories and trade routes. It did not last long, apparently about one century, and was swept away by the nomadic tribes of Hungarians (Ugrians) who crossed the Volga with the knowledge of the Khazars. Some Rus, being excellent navigators, apparently went to the Baltic states along river trade routes, then captured the lands of modern Denmark and Sweden, where local Aborigines lived and became known in Europe as Vikings, Vikings or Normans. After 60 years, several Varangians, led by the well-known to us Rurik, again returned to Slavic lands and revived the Russian state. One of them, known to us as the Prophetic Oleg, later avenged the "unreasonable Khazars." The Varangians brought their culture to the barbaric Scandinavia, including the skills of trade and navigation, writing, mythology. By the way, in the Scandinavian epos, the Asa gods once lived in the steppes near the warm sea in a state with the capital Asgard (Great Sweden), and then headed to Odin to present-day Sweden. Actually, according to one version, the current Azov is the city of Asov Asgard, and the Azov Sea bears his name. The famous traveler Thor Heerdahl, shortly before his death, came to Azov to test this hypothesis, but did not succeed. By the way, apparently the Varangians brought their alphabet to Russia, the first letter of which is called Az (as), the same word means "I", i.e. self-identification. Another word Az denoted the number 1, or one in Russian. The Supreme God, I recall, was called Odin, but is now pronounced with a different stress. This is also just a theory, but it is confirmed by certain facts, in particular modern genetic research. By the way, the latter do not confirm the connection of the Rus with the Semitic tribes in any way, so in this regard I categorically disagree with the author of the article.
            4. dog1965 29 October 2015 07: 21 New
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              So the whole point is precisely that the “historical science” of Gracheva is just very similar to the “science of ancient Ukrov”. There, by the way, they also do not consider Russians to be Slavs. You can still argue about the names, such as what is primary. True, this is more like a chicken or an egg. It’s harder to argue with genetics.
          2. Karabanov 28 October 2015 21: 49 New
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            Quote: vladek64
            Well, how can one argue with stupidity. It will only give her weight
        3. Asadullah 28 October 2015 17: 31 New
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          Others laugh and strive to kick


          And just neighing, allow? laughing
      2. SibSlavRus 28 October 2015 16: 14 New
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        I recommend that the author of the article begin the study of historiography (to the extent necessary to study the problem of the Slavs and the Russian ethnic group) with M.V. Lomonosov.
        I would very much like to see links to sources on the basis of which the author makes her conclusions (she herself did not study and analyze them).
        It is felt that the professional historians, Slavs and linguists (as well as entire historical schools) have "no honor" in the author.
        But there are auxiliary historical disciplines, such as genetics and anthropology, which are especially popular in the methods of cognition of History.
        Enough already "Slavonic" doubts of the genesis and alternatives.
      3. Air Force captain 28 October 2015 17: 14 New
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        Something strongly reminds me of the story of the dug up black sea ...
      4. 110600122708 28 October 2015 18: 10 New
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        It’s already possible to laugh, a proverb: “scratch the Russian, you will find a Tatar”, a little wrong, it will be more correct: scratch the Russian, you will find a Jew. As an example, we can consider the most common Russian surnames, Smirnov, Kuznetsov, Popov, among these Jewish surnames there are clearly more than 50%.
        1. Bayonet 28 October 2015 18: 33 New
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          Quote: 110600122708
          As an example, you can consider the most common Russian surnames

          By the way, the names too! It would seem completely Russian, but the roots ... wink
          Matvey, Michael and even Ivan! A lot of them and interpretation can be easily found on the Internet. hi
          1. Yuri Y. 28 October 2015 19: 25 New
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            Quote: Bayonet
            By the way, the names too! It would seem completely Russian, but the roots ...

            Well, everything is simple. Names from Saints. The ancestors of Christianity are Jews, you can’t take it away.
            1. Bayonet 28 October 2015 21: 32 New
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              Quote: Yuri I.

              Well, everything is simple. Names from Saints. The ancestors of Christianity are Jews, you can’t take it away.

              Yes, it’s clear, but some kind of wild anti-Semite slammed a minus for me, maybe Ivan too? smile
              1. Hello 28 October 2015 22: 12 New
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                Quote: Bayonet
                but some kind of wild anti-Semite slammed me minus

                Now it will be necessary to say anti-virus or anti-army wassat
      5. Hello 28 October 2015 19: 28 New
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        Quote: vladek64
        She had a little more left and she would find out that the real Russians were Jews!

        Or real Russian Jews fellow I personally am more impressed with the theory of Alexander Mazin in the book "Varangian". wink
      6. a housewife 29 October 2015 14: 25 New
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        I’ll prove by Tatyana’s method now that Russians are Jews. Look, she writes that the Rus is in fact Canaan, because they spoke Old Canaan, which "was received by the tribes of Israel." But nothing that Abram was from Canaan, and even his descendants could not "perceive" their own language? They spoke on it and so. Urus-Alim? Actually, Salim is the world! Uru then what? It is impossible to pull out similar words from all languages ​​and simply declare that it is one and the same. A pit in Russian is a deepening in the ground, in Japanese a mountain, that is, the exact opposite. And then let me reason this way. The ancient Scandinavians-Varangians had a very similar Slavic language. So this is because they were one of the Slavic tribes. That is why Rurik was called - he was not a stranger to us! But Aramaic was not spoken in Syria, but is still spoken. And in general, we are all relatives, because of Noah’s children in any way. And nowhere in the Old Testament is there anything like that one of the tribes of Israel is not mentioned among those saved? In which place, indicate exactly! There, in the Apocalypse it is said about the saved, that they are from all nations and all tribes! Why so lie, especially referring to the Old Testament ?! Okay, all the other sources - just quoted, but you need to look into the Bible before bringing anything from there - it’s very easy to check!
    3. sherp2015 28 October 2015 21: 11 New
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      Quote: chunga-changa
      Particularly gifted, multinational, “Tatyana Grachev,” I explain. "Sources" are now of no interest to anyone, because they were left at one time as the same "Tatyana Grachevs"


      Hmmm ...
      That way cosmopolitan Grachev will soon prove that the Slavs were Khazars ...
      What you will not hear from the descendants of the Tukhachevsky and Trotsky ...
  2. Mercenary 28 October 2015 14: 51 New
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    Posted by Tatyana Gracheva,
    We don’t need to tell the story written by the Germans, I’m closer to the thoughts of Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadorny regarding the origin of natsy.
    Look for an answer in the New Testament why did not Jesus send his disciples north? And where did the magi come to Jesus at birth. And where was Jesus himself 32 years before Jerusalem ??????
    1. Finches 28 October 2015 14: 59 New
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      Gracheva is an intelligent woman, she is currently an assistant professor, head of the department of Russian and foreign languages ​​of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, so I would not put her on a par with Zadornov, although his patriotic versions of the history of the Russian state cannot help but warm the soul, but they are hardly directly related to pure science!
      1. Throw 28 October 2015 15: 18 New
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        If the associate professor Russia and Syria are in tune, it is better to write about Bulgaria and Brazil, who founded many wild monkeys ...
        1. Finches 28 October 2015 15: 38 New
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          Well, enter into public debate with her - what's the matter? I didn’t say anything about the article, but the comrade Mercenary replied that he would not compare Zadornov’s scientific efforts and Gracheva’s theses!
          1. Throw 28 October 2015 16: 12 New
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            I have enough public debate here with both associate professors and professors .. laughing
            I’m better not with Comrade Associate Professor, but with her students I’ll enter into something non-public .. repeat wassat
            1. Finches 28 October 2015 16: 17 New
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              She teaches at the Military Academy of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces ... I think that there is little strain with the students! laughing
              1. Throw 28 October 2015 17: 51 New
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                At the department of foreign language then ?! laughing Will find love
        2. Spnsr 28 October 2015 21: 38 New
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          Quote: Lance
          If the associate professor Russia and Syria are in tune, it is better to write about Bulgaria and Brazil, who founded many wild monkeys ...

          Well, actually, the Bulgarians in Tatarstan, and have nothing to do with monkeys, if only to the Khazars laughing but in general, half of Europe considered themselves Slavs, brothers Slavs laughing
        3. CT-55_11-9009 28 October 2015 22: 07 New
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          Here it is not necessary about Bulgaria! Her Bulgars, in fact, founded. Some of them lived with us on the territory of Tatarstan, part of Chuvashia and Mari-El.
        4. Svidetel 45 28 October 2015 22: 54 New
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          Well, if you read the word RUS from right to left, as is customary among the Arabs, you will get almost SYRia, so, as you know, maybe she is right.
          1. Throw 29 October 2015 14: 05 New
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            Those. it turns out that one country self-called the name of another, having read it incorrectly ?! fool
    2. Socialism 2.0 28 October 2015 15: 10 New
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      Mikhail Nikolaevich Zadornov is an ethnic Jew. So listen and listen to your idol.
      1. gorgo 28 October 2015 16: 23 New
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        Yes, this is very often, unfortunately, forgotten by many patriots and conducted in his sweet talk about "antiquity and greatness." Us, in fact, the cunning usual for his tribe, called by hook or by crook to bring the Orthodox Russian people back to wild paganism.
        1. SibSlavRus 28 October 2015 18: 40 New
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          Not “wild paganism”, but Slavic beliefs before the Baptism of Russia, where the pantheon of gods (polytheism) represented the forces of Nature, which was more real than the “blind faith” in monotheism. And the Jewish origin of religion (Abrahamic religions - Christianity and Islam).
          1. Spnsr 28 October 2015 21: 53 New
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            Quote: SibSlavRus
            pantheon of gods (polytheism) represented the forces of Nature

            it is more like Greek and Roman mythology, but I want to give another message for reflection, go to church and who will you see?
        2. andj61 28 October 2015 20: 35 New
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          Quote: 2.0 Socialism
          Mikhail Nikolaevich Zadornov is an ethnic Jew. So listen and listen to your idol.

          Quote: gorgo
          Yes, this is very often, unfortunately, forgotten by many patriots and conducted in his sweet talk about "antiquity and greatness." Us, in fact, the cunning usual for his tribe, called by hook or by crook to bring the Orthodox Russian people back to wild paganism.

          That's just Zadornov, probably the only Russian among the comedians - it happened. request His mother, however, is a Polka from the Matusevich family, whose roots date back to S. Batory. And his father, N.P. Zadornov, a native of Penza, a famous writer, he wrote two cycles of historical novels about the development in the XIX century by the Russian people of the Far East, about the exploits of explorers. The first cycle consists of 4 novels: “The Far Land” (books 1-2, 1946-1949), “The First Discovery” (1969, the first title - “To the Ocean”, 1949), “Captain Nevelskaya” (books 1-2, 1956-1958) and The War for the Ocean (books 1–2, 1960–1962). The second cycle (on the development of the Far East by peasant immigrants) is thematically related to the first: the novels Amur Father (books 1-2, 1941-1946) and The Gold Rush (1969). In 1971 he published the novel "Tsunami" - about the expedition of Admiral E.V. Putyatin to Japan in 1854-1855. He also wrote a novel about the present “Yellow, Green, Blue ...” (Book 1, 1967), a book of travel essays “Blue Hour” (1968) and others.
          Find it, read it - you won’t regret it! In my opinion, he is much cooler than his son.
      2. Kazakh 28 October 2015 17: 51 New
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        Quote: 2.0 Socialism
        Mikhail Nikolaevich Zadornov is an ethnic Jew. So listen and listen to your idol.

        And Stalin is a Georgian and Bagration of the Georgians Arokhlin is a Jew and the Rokosovsky Pole and Pushkin Arap I would listen to these people than you
        1. Oldwiser 28 October 2015 21: 30 New
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          But Lermontov is still a Scotsman, and why did we forget about the Etruscans (who were before the ancient Romans)?
          That's where you need to look for Russian roots! laughing
          1. Spnsr 28 October 2015 22: 03 New
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            Quote: OldWiser
            But Lermontov is still a Scotsman, and why did we forget about the Etruscans (who were before the ancient Romans)?
            That's where you need to look for Russian roots! laughing

            Well, even under the Romanovs, the one who came to serve our state could become a Russian! wink and from here the conclusion sometimes arises that Russian is still not a nationality, but .... it’s hard to say, for example, Makarovich I’m not fighting, Shevchuk is also drawn there, and to many of our questions, who live in souls in a pin.dos.tane, and this is not only the fifth column ...
            It seems to me that the Russian is primarily a minister of the people, but not those who from their "collective farms" made their way to power to stuff their own pockets
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          Pushkin is Russian, in whom one of his great-grandfathers was an arap (Ethiopian). Zadornov, by the way, is Russian. There is already a comment above on this topic.
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        Such nonsense, however!
        The appearance and inner world, together with the spiritual component of M.N.Zadornov, is far from Semitic and rude. Like his biography.
    3. Kolka82 28 October 2015 15: 14 New
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      Totally agree with you! Allow me to correct you a little: the name of Mikhail Nikolaevich is Zadornov (Rod. Case - Zadornova), but not Zadorny (Rod. Case - Zadorny). hi
    4. tomket 28 October 2015 16: 49 New
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      Quote: Mercenary
      And where was Jesus himself 32 years before Jerusalem ??????

      He lived an ordinary life. It was possible to preach in Israel according to the laws from a certain age.
      1. a housewife 29 October 2015 16: 39 New
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        Adulthood then came at 30 years old, it was from this age that Jesus began to teach and preach the kingdom of God. hi
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  3. erased 28 October 2015 15: 00 New
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    As another option - quite normal. And how it was and what - until the time machine is completed - you’ll understand the hell. Only versions of varying degrees of probability. As well as everything that was before 9-10 centuries of our era. Is he our era? Or how?
    1. Scoun 28 October 2015 15: 10 New
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      Quote: erased
      And how it was and what - until the time machine is completed - you’ll understand the hell.

      +)) For example, it was not so long ago ....
      Homeland of the Etruscans in the territory of Kievan Rus.
      mir-ved.ru ›History› Map of the Vatican
      Etruscans. ... A year ago in the Vatican, a map was taken where Etruria is located. The Etruscans who lived on the Apennine peninsula for hundreds of years and founded the city of Rome, as well as giving life to Greek civilization, were there ...

      Add gag))

      Italian scholars at one time could not unravel the inscriptions until they were advised to take Slavic letters / language as the basis for decoding.


      PS and where did the Dinlins go? )))
      1. taram taramych 28 October 2015 16: 13 New
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        For the first time, this populism was announced by Kiselyov in Vesti on Saturday. But it’s enough to request samples of “Etruscan writing” in the search engine and it becomes clear that the story with the “writings” is a beautiful fairy tale.
        1. a housewife 29 October 2015 16: 43 New
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          And you compared them with what? With the Cyrillic alphabet, or what? Or do you have samples of the more ancient writing of the Slavs, which was quite widespread, but was not so convenient?
      2. CT-55_11-9009 28 October 2015 22: 10 New
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        From where only the Etruscans were not sent to the Apennines. That of Troy. Now from the territory of Kievan Rus ... Nda.
        1. Svidetel 45 28 October 2015 23: 12 New
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          There is such a version, in my opinion from researcher Yuri Petukhov, that the Russians ended up on the Apennines, where they were known as Etruscans, after leaving Asia Minor, then, under the pressure of the Latin tribes, they went to the northern part of Europe, to the territory known as Prussia, then under the onslaught of the Teutons migrated to the East, to the northwestern territory of modern Russia, and Rurik was a representative of this people. recourse
  4. andj61 28 October 2015 15: 02 New
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    Here is a historical justification. Right, it turns out, great at rs! crying Only we are not the Ugro-Mongols, but the Khazar-Aramaic - how! fellow
    Here the people with the Israeli comrades make a debate (well, what kind of debate - we debate little by little laughing ), and this is not even our comrades, but the real brothers! good Aramaic brothers! wassat
    The Lord’s sowing is the same everywhere,
    and lie to us about the difference of nations
    all people are Jews, and just not all
    found while the courage to confess.
    bully Hello brothers! hi
    1. Hello 28 October 2015 15: 56 New
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      Aramaic brothers!

      They finally got to the bottom of the truth, and the authorities hid it. wassat
      1. Abbra 28 October 2015 17: 45 New
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        Just a typo in the article. Need to read - "army brothers". Corrector - to shoot. drinks
        1. Hello 28 October 2015 18: 04 New
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          Quote: Abbra
          Just a typo in the article. Need to read - "army brothers." Corrector - to shoot.

          And speak the army language wink
          1. Oldwiser 28 October 2015 21: 37 New
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            which without swearing turns into a continuous whistle
  5. A-Sim 28 October 2015 15: 02 New
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    "Everything is not so clear here" (c)
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  7. Engineer 28 October 2015 15: 05 New
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    And this is written by an assistant professor, head of the department of Russian and foreign languages ​​of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation !!! Nightmare!
    1. Humpty 28 October 2015 15: 13 New
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      Quote: Engineer
      And this is written by an assistant professor, head of the department of Russian and foreign languages ​​of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation !!! Nightmare!

      Paper can stand it. There are no people. It is even depressing that people, scientists rely on the art of Leo Nikolaevich II as an authoritative historical source. Mess.
      1. Engineer 28 October 2015 15: 24 New
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        why be surprised when our minister is a quack
        1. taram taramych 28 October 2015 16: 17 New
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          "Fire safety specialist Denis Minkin has become the new head of the St. Petersburg Institute of Nuclear Physics. He is the founder of the shooting club, a member of the National Federation of Sporting, Yuri Kovalchuk, brother of the director of the Kurchatov Center, Mikhail Kovalchuk."
          Quote: Engineer
          why be surprised
          ?
          1. Throw 28 October 2015 17: 55 New
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            Hoxol and the Jew. Indeed, there is nothing to be surprised about)
        2. Abbra 28 October 2015 18: 20 New
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          Mneee ... Excuse me ... What minister are you talking about?
    2. 2s1122 28 October 2015 15: 52 New
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      Let me ask you by education who will be, probably a professor about all kinds of sciences.
  8. prishelec 28 October 2015 15: 10 New
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    There was no "Khazaria" in sight, it was a bluff invented by the Jews!
    1. CT-55_11-9009 28 October 2015 22: 12 New
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      Khazaria was. No wonder Svyatoslav went on campaigns on them.
    2. alekc75 28 October 2015 22: 45 New
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      READ GUMILYOV
  9. Geronimo73 28 October 2015 15: 17 New
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    How did they get such sensations! Instead of learning history normally (which requires mental effort), such sensations and children's fables as Rus-Urus, Erusalim and other dregs are invented.
    1. Scoun 28 October 2015 15: 54 New
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      Quote: Geronimo73
      How did they get such sensations! Instead of learning history normally (which requires mental effort), such sensations and children's fables as Rus-Urus, Erusalim and other dregs are invented.

      ha ha ha ha !!!! laughing
      Quote: Geronimo73
      Instead of learning history normally

      I will tell you in great confidence))) History is the most inaccurate science. history is written, interpreted in their interests anyhow who and anyhow what regimes. I will not talk about Polish and North American fictions and give a simple example)))
      We have Ivan the Terrible! in Anglo-Saxon Ivan the Terrible (Russian: Ivan Grozny, Ivan Grozny) and compare for yourself the Terrible and the Terrible / Horrifying ... just the same monster ...

      In general, do not take such an object as History, very close to your heart.
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        Quote: Scoun
        In general, do not take such an object as History, very close to your heart.

        I do not agree with this. History is important, for a person who does not know history is the same beast.

        Quote: Scoun
        History is the most inaccurate science. history is written, interpreted in their interests anyhow who and anyhow what regimes.

        But I completely agree with this.
  10. bastasguf90 28 October 2015 15: 17 New
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    I agree with something, with something not, for example, what kind of Russian Haganate, nonsense, it is known that there was the Khazar Haganate, a military chimera state, was defeated by Svetoslav the Brave ... created a Haganat in the 5-6 century, Jews escaped from the Arab state , by their grace there was something like a modern Maidan, naturally escaping not empty-handed, but then, when their prince-Rus patted, I agree they broke into Western Europe ...
    1. alekc75 28 October 2015 22: 48 New
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      THERE WAS A RUSSIAN KAGAN-LOOK IN THE BOOKS OF GUMILYOV
  11. V.ic 28 October 2015 15: 28 New
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    L.N. Gumilyov had something like rahdonites ("knowing the way"), and not radonites.
  12. Kolka82 28 October 2015 15: 37 New
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    Quote: Finches
    I would not put her on a par with Zadornov, although his patriotic versions of the history of the Russian state cannot but warm his soul, but they are hardly directly related to pure science

    Review Zadornov’s films once more, if you watched them at all - there’s a lot you’ll learn about your “pure science” ...
    Socialism 2.0 (2) SU Today, 15:10 ↑ New
    Mikhail Nikolaevich Zadornov is an ethnic Jew. So listen and listen to your idol.
    - rummage in your family tree. Although for you, Joseph Vissarionovich is probably a Georgian.
    PS Cons (and pluses) are not mine - not for that I registered here
    1. Finches 28 October 2015 15: 46 New
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      And why did you decide that Zadornov is more right in his films ???
      1. Kolka82 28 October 2015 15: 52 New
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        So did you watch them or not? How he shot them, collecting bit by bit the most reliable history of our ancestors. What am I crucifying - it’s better to see once ... hi
        1. Finches 28 October 2015 16: 06 New
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          Believe me, and before him, many people gathered history in bits and pieces: Tatishchev, Karamzin, Aksakov, Solovyov, Klyuchevsky, etc. So I found the strength and read 12 volumes of Karamzin like that (I apologize, but do not boast, but as a fact), to which there is also a not entirely unambiguous attitude, but nonetheless! But the only Zadornov film I watched is "Rurik. The Lost Real Estate", more like a very good artistic narrative than a reasoned historical work! hi
          1. Kolka82 28 October 2015 16: 18 New
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            Nevertheless, the indicated artifacts, the opinions of historians shown in this film, as well as the repeatedly surnamed surname of Karamzin you indicated, the very sequence of presenting the material (naturally with an artistic “twist”) look, in my opinion, more profitable than what I wrote author of this opus. I confessed that I read it 2 times, but I didn’t understand the belmez what she wanted to convey to the reader. request
            1. Finches 28 October 2015 16: 29 New
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              And God Gracheva with her! I also do not want to say anything about Zadornov’s position, on the contrary, I support for the fact that he brings the idea of ​​Slavism and the concept of contrasting the historical path of Russia and the West brightly and accessible to most. I myself am for it! But how much is all scientifically correct, the question?
              1. Kolka82 28 October 2015 16: 33 New
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                Probably only as much as you yourself believe in it what In short, for us - for the Russians! drinks
                1. Finches 28 October 2015 16: 50 New
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                  With pleasure! drinks
            2. alekc75 28 October 2015 22: 50 New
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              GUMILYOVA READ
  13. 3 Gorynych 28 October 2015 15: 40 New
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    Quote: vladek64
    She had a little more left and she would find out that the real Russians were Jews!

    Yes, judging by the text, not just a little, but frankly Jews.!
  14. bubla5 28 October 2015 15: 42 New
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    Yes, we do not need such brothers, it is better to live an orphan
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      generally chatter about the so-called fraternal peoples inspires longing. in some fraternal peoples, neighbors cannot live normally, but all are crammed into brothers
  15. 3vs
    3vs 28 October 2015 15: 47 New
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    Judging by such studies, in general, Adam and Eve were Russian! fellow
    1. vladek64 28 October 2015 15: 54 New
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      Of course the Russians!
      They were just unlucky with the children - they turned out to be Jews.
      And with great-grandson .... great-grandson in general is trouble: as the Ukrainians recently found out - Jesus was a Hutsul.fellow

      laughing drinks
    2. 2s1122 28 October 2015 16: 22 New
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      read the Ukrainian truth "Adam and Eve" are great Ukrainians, and you are Russians. This is zrada laughing laughing
  16. 2s1122 28 October 2015 15: 48 New
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    Over the centuries, so much has happened, and nobody really knows the history of us. It’s only that the older generation taught at school, and young people know history from comics. Pendel cannot distinguish from pretzel.
  17. voyaka uh 28 October 2015 16: 01 New
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    Steep grass Tanya smokes ...
    But ... nice. We have staples, it turns out.
    I feel ... I am Urus drinks .
    And the Syrians are, clearly, a hedgehog, the Ussurians (came from the Ussuri region of Siberia).
    Otherwise, why are they so strong?
    1. Hello 28 October 2015 16: 05 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      I feel ... I am Urus

      Taki tell me how Urus Urus ..... wink
      1. IS-80 28 October 2015 17: 28 New
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        Quote: Hello
        Taki tell me how Urus Urus .....
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Steep grass Tanya smokes ...
      But ... nice. We have staples, it turns out.
      I feel ... I am Urus.
      And the Syrians are, clearly, a hedgehog, the Ussurians (came from the Ussuri region of Siberia).
      Otherwise, why are they so strong?


      I suspected this for a long time.

      I see Jerusalem and Haifa
      I see Judea
      this is the russian side
      this is my homeland.

      Hello, brothers and sisters, it doesn’t matter who the Uruses or Jews are or who.
      Take money without interest, otherwise, oh my life is a difficult life.
      I’m not full, I sleep without waking up. Lack of sleep in general.
      laughing
      1. Hello 28 October 2015 17: 28 New
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        I see Jerusalem and Haifa
        I see Judea
        this is the russian side
        this is my homeland.

        Taki need to figure out where is she our common homeland tongue In Urusalim or in Urusia wink
        1. IS-80 28 October 2015 17: 40 New
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          Quote: Hello
          Taki need to figure out where is she our common homeland In Urusalim or in Urusia

          You should at least be glad and give money at the same time, otherwise you can figure it out right away. laughing
          And I think why I'm so economical, smart and beautiful. And here it is - genetics. fellow
          1. Hello 28 October 2015 18: 00 New
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            Quote: IS-80
            And I think why I'm so economical, smart and beautiful. And here it is - genetics

            Urusi they / we are wink
            Quote: IS-80
            You should at least be glad and give money at the same time, otherwise you can figure it out right away.

            Uruses do not give money wassat
  18. bumbarash 28 October 2015 16: 05 New
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    Well, of course, the 10th-century expert ibn Fokan was an expert on the Slavs. He directly specialized in Slavs, he knew them all for recount.
    This is the most reliable source. We will believe him.
  19. cherkas.oe 28 October 2015 16: 08 New
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    Mom, dear. Is this what is happening? Who will the Russians marry next time? Probably with Ethiopians? And to hell with him, thanks to Tanya Grachev, we are not used to it. lol
  20. Tambov Wolf 28 October 2015 16: 09 New
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    Whoever doesn’t try to cripple the Russian nation. And the kaganate has already been entered and declared Khazars, they will soon be written to the Jews, and then they will be equated with the Indians. We, the Russians have always been, are and will remain Russians. We beat, beat and will beat our enemies always and everywhere. And if you do not like Russians, then we will go to you.
  21. EFA
    EFA 28 October 2015 16: 25 New
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    No, well, I read it with interest, only it all resembles this:



    And here is more about this:
    http://telegrafua.com/country/14174/
  22. Bashibuzuk 28 October 2015 16: 26 New
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    And what, people, it was interesting to read to me.
    This place was especially delighted - "... King David bought a threshing floor from Orna ..."
    The breathtaking!
    I think bli-and-and-in, because poems begin, ballads. Where to Robert, ours, Burns.
    .
    And uhhhhhhhh!
    "King David bought threshing floor from Ornah,
    And what to do with the threshing floor I didn’t understand ... "
    .
    Good article.
    Historical.
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      Bashibuzuk! Your comment made me laugh for some reason more than anyone else !!! Literally to tears! I introduced all the intonations! Moreover, in the whole article this is the only not fictitious place! Especially when you consider how much is funny in the Old Testament for a modern taste. And the names! Well, it’s clear that the translation should be beautiful, but when the city of Kefir! ... And the like. good love
  23. Sibiryak13 28 October 2015 16: 27 New
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    This is not overkill. As it is necessary to write more carefully. Nonsense.
  24. Turkir 28 October 2015 16: 35 New
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    So, the Byzantine emperor Konstantin Bagryanorodny directly contrasts the Russian and Slavic names of the Dnieper rapids.

    We heard a jingle, but don’t know where it is. This ignorant lie of the Normans is two hundred years old.
    Konstantin Bagryanorodny or Porfirorodny (905-959), further K.B., for brevity
    The first threshold is "Essupi" ("in Russian and Slavic, KB) means" Do not sleep! ", The first" n "disappeared.
    For K.B. it is not "Scandinavian" and "Slavic", but two dialects of the same language. Normans are not aware of this. They know better, even better than Nestor.
    The second threshold is Lohan. According to K. B - "in Russian" "Ulborsi", due to the lack of Greek "B", possibly "Ulvorsi", without translation. "In Slavic" "Ostrovuniprakh", by K. B. "island of the threshold."
    And here begins the Norman bacchanalia: they begin to substitute the words from Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and old forms of these languages, and no figs work out, not such a word "Ulborsi".
    And here, one of history buffs, S.Ya. Paramonov (Lesnoy) made an interesting assumption that K.B. there was a Greek who was on these thresholds, forgetting how they sound in Russian, but remembering the name of the threshold and giving a translation into Greek within the meaning of this name. Let's see what he did.
    "Ulborsi" - using Greek roots: st = ulos that is "deadly" and boros = "devouring".
    And this is just about the most dangerous of the rapids. It turns out that all these "historians" in the West are eye-catching facts, looking for this word in Danish, German, and Swedish, and could not find it, but only to prove that without them, without the "Normans," we could not create any statehood, nor writing, it is they who have taught us everything and are still teaching us. The unpleasant fact is that Russian people began to believe this lie.
    I offered the site administration assistance in publishing Lesnoy's articles, but did not receive a positive response.
    On the Dnieper rapids can be read S. Ya. Paramonov "History" Russ "in an undistorted form", in two volumes, circulation of 1000 copies. - in his article S. Ya. Paromonov brilliantly proved that there is no difference between the “Russian” and “Slavic” names of the thresholds.
    Also interesting are Doctor of History V. Fomin and Ph.D. L.P. Grot are anti-Normanists, however, unfortunately, the late academician Yanin is already.
    Melnikova, Klein are the Normans. It is interesting that Dr. Klein is actually an archaeologist, specializing in the Bronze Age and not having anything to do with the Normans - but he assures everyone on our TV that he knows that the Russians are Normans, and not you and I . And he found the graves, 33 heroes and all Normans, they told him themselves.
    By the way, read Fomin’s book “Klein as a diagnosis.”
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    It is important for me to give information about those real historians, information that will help to understand the trash that the haters of Russia want to ward off our memory and mind.
    Sorry for the time spent on the published article.
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      It is important for me to give information

      Thank you, I will dig through the information you provided. By the way, your comment is now the best from my point of view! good
  25. uskrabut 28 October 2015 16: 43 New
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    verbiage - Rus, Urus, Jebusites. genetics must be attracted, everything is there on the shelves - who is whose relative. but about the tribe of Dan, from which the Antichrist will come out, I’m interested, although I don’t remember that it was said in Scripture
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    Quote: Bashibuzuk
    "... King David bought a threshing floor from Ornah ..."
    The breathtaking!

    it’s better to read about it in the Old Testament
  27. morozik 28 October 2015 16: 48 New
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    "people laugh at what they don’t understand" (classic) ...
    if you read some linguists who study the Russian language, then according to their observations - very many Arabic words - are Russian written backwards ... who are interested to find for yourself)) ...
    In the Middle Ages in Russia, all scientists were called Arabs ...
    Our great traveler Afanasy Nikitin - in his books he wrote part of the texts in Russian, part in Arabic.

    here for those interested: http: //www.liveinternet.ru/users/ranin/post121250478/
    N.N. Vashkevich: “My concept does not contain signs of hypotheticalness either in its parts or in general. If I say that forty means“ thief ”in Arabic, ostrich -“ hiding his head, “chameleon” - “defending with color” , so it is checked both in the dictionaries and in the behavior of the animals concerned, or at least in what people think of them.
    Regarding the substance of the matter. My concept comes down to the following points. It is a fact that all Russian unmotivated words, as well as all idioms, without exception, are explained through the Arabic language. Arabic unmotivated words - through Russian. "

    By language - Plato Lukashevich (1809-1887) ... who are interested

    author Kandyba (I don’t remember the initials) - (in addition to Urus-Alim) Palestine = Paleniy Stan, Zion Gora - Siyan-Gora, Temple of Yahweh = Temple of Yavi (Yav-Nav-Pra-Trinity of the world in Vedism) ... Troy - from the Trinity (as well as St. Petersburg - in honor of the Holy Apostle Peter) ... etc.

    Why not accept the information from the article for further research)
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      Quote: morozik
      "people laugh at what they don’t understand" (classic) ...


      the author of Kandyba (I don’t remember the initials) - (in addition to Urus-Alim) Palest = Palem Stan, Zion Gora - Siyan-Gora, Temple of Yahweh = Temple of Yavi (Yav-Nav-Prav - the trinity of the world in Vedism) ... Troy - from the Trinity (as well as St. Petersburg - in honor of the Holy Apostle Peter) ... and recourse
      Why not accept the information from the article for later)

      Because you don’t drink so much
      wassat
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      What are you bullshit? Troy allegedly from a trinity ... From which trinity I'm sorry? Troy was formed 1000 years BC that is, long before the rise of Christianity. After such a "fact" on your part, you don’t feel like checking the rest. Excuse me.
    3. a housewife 29 October 2015 17: 11 New
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      The Russian people always shifted to "understandable" all unfamiliar and incomprehensible words. Remember the Leskov small-scope. In connection with this, understand that the Sister River is not from the word of the sister, and the city of Tsaritsin is not related to the queen, you do not need to translate Vorskla as a thief of glass, etc. In our Adygea, the Belaya River. My mother-in-law tried to explain her name to me, retelling Lermontov's Bela in a local way, they say, since then her Adyghe people called her that. I had to answer that the Belaya River is in the Adgean Psheguashcha, which means the mistress of the water. But there are a lot of White rivers in Russia, mostly mountain, with bright water, unlike the marshy Black ones. But so uninteresting! By the way, once on local television I watched an interview with an Adyghe elder, who, on the basis of some words, proved that all languages ​​were descended from Adyghe! How do you like this option? laughing
    4. Turkir 31 October 2015 10: 35 New
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      Our great traveler Afanasy Nikitin - in his books he wrote part of the texts in Russian, part in Arabic.

      If you mean -
      "what can we find out from the original text of the Tverian Athanasius Nikitin. Having finished his book, he writes a prayer of thanks:" In the name of Allah the Merciful and the Merciful and Jesus the Spirit of God. Allah ve
      face ... "In the original:" Bismillah Rahman Rahim. Isa Ruh Wallo. Allah Akbar. Allah Kerim. "
      This is not Orthodoxy. And not Islam. For Jesus is the Spirit of Allah. "
      Russian faith! Primordial ancient Christianity is the one from which Orthodoxy and Islam stand out.

      That is written in Russian, not in Arabic script. This is how, Bychkov writes - "faith and the primordial ancient Christianity." Apparently this is his discovery.
      It is cited from the book of Alexei Bychkov "Muscovy", a former doctor of historical sciences, whose books do not contain references to the materials used, and therefore his books should not be considered scientific works.
      Secondly, the quoted quotation corresponds to the original, but we must remember which countries A. Nikitin traveled to and in what conditions he was forced to pray, observe fasts and rituals, etc. .. At that time, breaking the rituals was a serious sin.
  28. samarin1969 28 October 2015 16: 48 New
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    Rus and Slavs are different ethnic groups until the 9-10th centuries. Gumilyov and school books wrote about this (there is no sensation here). Everything else is a pun.
    1. Humpty 28 October 2015 17: 50 New
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      Quote: samarin1969
      Rus and Slavs are different ethnic groups until the 9-10th centuries. Gumilyov and school books wrote about this (there is no sensation here).

      In which particular school textbook did they write such a thing, can one be curious?
      And the writer Lev Nikolaevich The second emphasis in his works was primarily on his own conclusions, personal experiences and interpretations.
      1. samarin1969 30 October 2015 14: 06 New
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        The most common Danilov’s Textbook, Grade 6 page p. 12 on how Normans-Russians mixed with the Slavs
        1. Turkir 31 October 2015 21: 19 New
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          All Normans will erect a monument to you in life if you find such a tribe of "Russes" among the "Normans." They would have erected a monument for themselves, but they could not find such a tribe. Neither in Sweden, nor in Norway, nor in Denmark, nor in Finland.
          Here they often criticize Zadornov, I, too, but for a different reason. He is superficial in historical matters.
          If you trust only "foreign" historians and, really seriously, are interested in these issues, you can find in RuNet the book of the German historian Andrei Paul "Baltic Slavs. From Rerik to Starigard."
          I also want to draw your attention to the fact that information about the Normans, they are Vikings, appear in the VIII century and end in the first quarter of the XI century. Then they leave the historical scene and sink into oblivion. How strange they disappear ... along with the final conquest of the Slavic South Baltic by Germanic tribes.
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          Paul’s book contains very interesting maps.
          1. samarin1969 31 October 2015 21: 53 New
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            Dear Turkir (1), it is nice that there are people who also delve into the past Slavs ... I do not think that the ethnogenesis of the Eastern Slavs has been convincingly studied. The phenomenal cultural power of the Slavic word swept many peoples of different bloods (look at the faces of modern Serbs and Poles - they are far from similarities). There was a territory - Russia, on which different peoples lived (including a certain number of immigrants from Scandinavia) ... Nobody forgets about the heroic Baltic Slavs (the last foci of their communities disappeared into the German ethnos in the 20th century) ... The history of the Rurik clan (Rorika, Rerika) has different interpretations in near-academic history ... Perhaps you have more compelling information ... Unfortunately, I don’t.

            P.S. I am proud that I am Russian. Immigrants from the North played an important role in the formation of the Russian state. This does not surprise me or offend me.
            1. Turkir 1 November 2015 09: 47 New
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              The history of the Rurik clan (Rorik, Rerik) has different interpretations in near-academic history

              You have the wrong approach to history as a science. I will try to explain my position.
              Here is the beginning of a long list of non-historians, according to your own logic:
              August Octavian,, Augustine Aurelius, Ammianus Marcellinus, Heraclitus, Herodianus, Herodotus, Karamzin, Schlozer, Miller, ...
              Ilovaisky is a Normanist in all textbooks, an anti-Normanist in his scientific works.
              Take the “academics” who stand in anti-Normanist positions, whose work you are clearly not familiar with. L.P. Grot, Doctor of Historical Sciences V. Fomin, etc.
              Was the territory of Russia on which a number of Scandinavians lived - you write - do not tell me where? It is unlikely that the phrase "a certain number of Scandinavians" is academic.
              I would only like to recall that the Roericks “called” Russia and Kiev and Novgorod. Novgorodians were very offended because they called themselves .. Slovenia.
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              As for S.Ya. Paramonov - he has scientific thinking, which is proved by his scientific works (more than a hundred), in addition, he received a mathematical education and knew several European languages. Oh, yes, I almost forgot: he did not have a diploma in history, however, like Gumilyov and Fomenko and Nosovsky.
    2. Turkir 28 October 2015 19: 01 New
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      Rus and Slavs are different ethnic groups until the 9-10th centuries.

      Oh really?
      And by whom and when is it proven? Is Thomsen really? But he did not know the Russian language, like all Western Normans who write our history to us, since the time of Lomonosov.
      I will give one example of the knowledge of professional historians - Andrei Bogolyubsky was killed at the instigation of his Russian wife Ulyana. So they still write. True, at the time of the murder of Andrei Bogolyubsky, Ulyan was dead for two years. And he already had another wife, not Russian.
      Or Yaroslavna’s cry from a word about Igor’s regiment. Yaroslavna is crying for Igor, experts write, but she does not cry for her son and father full of fat. Conclusion - The "word" is falsification.
      But these historians do not know that Yaroslavna is the second wife, and this is not her son, but the stepson.
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      All these articles of the preachers of Normanism are readily published in the West.
      Why?
  29. Vorchun 28 October 2015 16: 53 New
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    "... He broke all brains into pieces, all the convolutions braided,
    And the kanatchik authorities prick us a second injection ... "

    "Letter to the editor of the telecast" Obvious Incredible "
    Vladimir Vysotsky

  30. morozik 28 October 2015 17: 07 New
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    Russian and Arab = brothers forever))

  31. Aaron Zawi 28 October 2015 18: 31 New
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    Creepy nonsense. Commenting on this is simply impossible.
  32. Kyrgyz 28 October 2015 18: 34 New
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    And I knew that the Black Sea was dug by Russians and not by Ukrainians))))))))) I really didn’t think that Russians were also Jews, some kind of forgotten tribe)))))
  33. Bayonet 28 October 2015 18: 40 New
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    Enough breeding, let's have a worldwide brotherhood! fellow drinks drinks drinks
  34. shalomnet 28 October 2015 19: 26 New
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    What a rare brain expression in FIG! What kind of drive is this?
  35. cergey51046 28 October 2015 20: 39 New
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    Ah ARAMEY, is this a brotherhood of parrots?
  36. Arandir 28 October 2015 21: 38 New
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    There is a rational grain in the article. However, it seems that the author is looking at the truth through the darkened glass. In Arabic, Syria - Surya, Russia - Rus. The same letters, alliteration. Indeed, there is speculation that Jews consider and call Russia Canaan. The biblical prediction (about the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites in 400 years) was fulfilled twice, the second time before our eyes. After the death of one of the last kings of the Rurikovich Ivan the Terrible, until 1991, 407 years passed.
    Now on to the stage.
    1. Tiberias or Tiberius [1] (Hebrew טְבֶרְיָה, Greek Τιβεριάς, Latin Tiberias, also Tiberias) - a city on the western shore of Lake Tiberias in Galilee, in northeast Israel.
    2. Tiber (Italian: Tevere, Latin Tiberis) - a river on the Apennine peninsula, the third longest among the rivers of Italy. Notice the Italians themselves call the river Tivere. It is believed that the name Tiber River has Etruscan or Italian roots, most likely related to the Celtic root dubr, "water". But most likely Etruscan in my opinion.
    3. Antes - East Slavic tribes inhabiting in the IV-VI centuries. Middle Dnieper and Transnistria. Together with other Slavic tribes Ants at the turn of the V-VI centuries. began the struggle with the Byzantine Empire, which ended with the settlement of the Balkan Peninsula by the Slavs. Further, from the 6th to the 12th century, Tiberians, also an East Slavic tribe, lived on the territory of Moldova. Interestingly, ant in Greek means not so much "opposite" as "ancient", "antique". Who except Canaanites can claim antiquity if they are immigrants from Crete, whose civilization began at least 5000 years ago. Then back to this topic.
    4. Starting from the 12th century, the strong trading city of Tver begins to be mentioned in Old Russian written chronicles. Afanasy Nikitin from Tver went to India - this is direct evidence of the trading talents of the merchants of Tver. In the Tver dialect, the stomach is a crawl, the crawl is also a wallet, a pocket. In Ukrainian, the crawl is still a wallet. The capital of Moldova is Chisinau. In Moldova there is a fast river Prut, Pripyat - a tributary of the Dnieper, Prupt (Prub) - a river in the north of Russia.
    These are at least four points where Russes were lit. Yes, here you can write a whole book ...
    The truth has been written a lot before us by the great Lomonosov, Evgraf Savelyev, Yegor Klassen, Tadeusz Volansky and others.
  37. 1rl141 28 October 2015 21: 47 New
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    That's it! How to drink, the Black Sea was dug up not by the ancient Ukrainians, but by the ancient Uruses. They mined stone blocks for the weeping wall and other buildings, and then this quarry was filled with water. It so happened the Black Sea. As evidence, we can cite the example of the Ruskeala marble quarry. There, too, the Rus mined marble, and now there is a clean, large and deep lake. I’ll sit down for my dissertation ....
  38. Boris Zidkov 28 October 2015 22: 05 New
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    But the Khazars and Hazaras, it is like Jews and Jews?
  39. Anisim1977 28 October 2015 22: 43 New
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    I think that the Russians, Iranians, Germans and Indians have common roots. But they grow from our far north. I strongly agree with Zadornov that in ancient times people could settle from colder regions to warmer ones - but not the other way around! Everything disagree with this, imagine 2 situations:
    1) The inhabitants of the Crimea took everything and moved to the Arctic.
    2) Residents of the Arctic took everything and moved to live in the Crimea.
    Which of the two options, especially in the conditions of subsistence farming is more realistic?
  40. Kahlan amnell 29 October 2015 07: 03 New
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    Another hypothesis of Russian ethnogenesis. How many were there ...
    And the evidence base is, to put it mildly, rather weak. laughing
  41. andrew42 29 October 2015 10: 09 New
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    Yes, how many rinses can rinse, huh? It has long been clear that the Varangians are the name of the Slavic population of Vagria, the land in the northeast of modern Germany, at the mouth of the Pena River (Pena), with the cities of Schwerin (Zverin), Rostock, Wismar (Seashore) and so on. There, the island of Rügen (Ruyan) is nearby. The leading Baltic merchant warriors of that era until the Christianization of the Western Slavs by Franco-German swords began. And the explanation “Varangians-Russia” - this is the explanation, so as not to forget that Russia, relatives, too, and not some kind of “numbed” Scandinavians, goths, or Western “Germans” who exchanged Speech for warped Latin . Then the chronicler looked into the water, he insured himself with a specialist for a thousand years, as he knew that the descendants would begin to blunt. :) And about RUS, - it depends on how the Arab sources interpret. there everyone strives to see his. In the context of the evidence of the same Ibn Fadlan, it can be decided vice versa that the Slavic tribes are part of the Rus. Who is the current “West”? - right, "Russians", collective name. Well, the concept of Russia and Russia could not be born from the self-name of the tribe (Wolverines, Ruskolans, Rus, Rugs, or some other tribal clan of a small town). In ancient times, people were more aware of the semantic meaning of concepts. This is now the outskirts of Great Ukraine can be "turned" by the substitution of concepts and chatter. Previously, speeches were meaner, but more meaning. Personally, I believe that RUS / ROS / RAS will be more ancient than the SLOVENE, more ancient than the SKOLOTY, and even more ancient than the VARYAGI, who could not have gathered on the seaside before Attila’s campaigns. RUSLAN, RUSSAM, and simply RUS - these names are “derived” from the ancient concept, they themselves will be more ancient than the period of supposedly “conquering the Slavs by the Russians”, and the geography of names - from Iran to Germany.
  42. glavnykarapuz 29 October 2015 14: 43 New
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    The author of this opus, along the way, regularly writes in newspapers, which describe all the "obvious and unbelievable" and other nonsense from "UFOlogiya". Another all-plausible "alternative" story. So confidently write about what is hidden by such a “crown of the ages” —that is, one must be able to do so! laughing The author seemed to be standing next to a candle. wassat
    If you evaluate what is written in the text with healthy cynicism, then this is a waste of time.
    P.S. Sorry for the time spent on this "garbage" for the brain.
    1. glavnykarapuz 29 October 2015 18: 54 New
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      The author of this "blank" did not like my personal opinion? wink On health!
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  43. chelovektapok 29 October 2015 19: 28 New
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    The article is another Slavophobic delirium emanating from genetic fear of Russia. The Vikings, for example, are the hooligans who plundered the coasts of the ancestors of such paranoiacs. But the Slavs are already statehood and sovereignty. In various manifestations, from the Lord of Veliky Novgorod to the Russian Princes (Tsars), with fire and sword, strengthening and expanding the RUSSIAN POWER. The hysterical nonsense of “historians from the EU” is no more than a phobia. The fact that contradicts all the malicious critics is the Russian Federation from Kaliningrad to Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. From them- an indistinct howl, from us- A FACT of the existence of POWER!