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"Loshariki" disturbed the Pentagon

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"Loshariki" disturbed the PentagonMoscow considered the manifestation of an “autumn aggravation” to appear in the Western press publications about the “aggressive activity” of Russian submarines near important communication cables providing the US with communications and the Internet. Concerns on this topic have already been expressed by the US military. Experts told where and why Russian submarines are sailing and whether they are capable of cutting the trans-ocean cable, which in fact may not be at all for communication and telephony.


Anxiety


“They are able - just as the Americans did at the time - to put special buoys on communication cables in order to intercept messages”

The Pentagon is worried that Russian submarines are “aggressively operating” near important submarine communications cables that “provide almost the entire Internet in the world,” and the United States with telephone communications. It is reported that the Russian side is able to intercept data that is transmitted via cable, writes the New York Times.
The command of the US Navy notes "a significant intensification" of Russia's actions in the areas of communication cables between the North Sea and northeast Asia, as well as in waters off the coast of the United States.

The concern of the US military is that, in the event of “tension or conflict” with Moscow, Russia could attack these cables, “damaging them to break communications, on which governments, economies and citizens of Western countries so strongly depend.”

The publication notes that although now there is no evidence of cable damage, the alertness of the leadership of the US armed forces on this issue is constantly growing. At the same time, internal discussions in Washington suggest that the US authorities look at Russia through the prism of mistrust, as during the Cold War.

In general, the Pentagon carefully conceals most of the data related to the naval activity of Russia, as well as the measures that the US intends to take in the event of a possible attack on underwater infrastructure. But the commander of the underwater fleet USA Frederick Regge admitted to the publication: “Every day I’m worried about what the Russians can do.”

The representative of the US Navy, William Marks, said that potential actions on the part of any state that are aimed at damaging communication cables would be of concern in Washington. Nevertheless, Marx stressed that they did not discuss specific details "because of the secrecy of underwater operations."

The New York Times recalls that in September, according to the American side, the Russian ship Yantar was heading towards Cuba. There, near the American naval station in Guantanamo Bay, just one of the cables in question is laid. Deep-sea vehicles "Yantar" just able to cut it.

The publication adds that several military sources in the United States at once confirmed the existence of a corresponding danger.

"Autumn aggravation"

In Russia, estimates of American publications range from "again something to think about" to "this is none of your business where our submarines sail."
The official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Maria Zakharova, linked the information received with the “autumn aggravation”: “The best answer to the question“ What worries you most at this time of year? ”Is presented in the New York Times article,” she wrote on Facebook.

Military expert, chief editor of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, Viktor Murakhovsky told the VIEW newspaper that fiber optic cables that provide Internet traffic from Europe to the USA do indeed go across the Atlantic. The same, only Pacific, cable leads from the USA to Japan and China.

It’s possible to argue only hypothetically about whether Russian submarines are acting in the way the New York Times wrote. In any case, this is classified information. But Russia does have deep-water nuclear submarines (atomic deep-water stations), for example AC-12, also known as “Losharik”, which is capable of performing a significant range of tasks at a great depth, up to several kilometers.

“Why Americans are worried about the Internet, I just do not understand. These boats are not intended for the Internet, they perform military tasks, ”the expert noted.

Murakhovsky clarified that fiber optic cables are not US state property: as a rule, private communications companies own the cable. “They usually create a pool, a holding, to build and operate this cable, which includes Americans, Europeans, Japanese, and Chinese. How can they protect him? Yes, nothing. How can this be done if it is laid along the bottom of the ocean at a depth of several kilometers? ”He added.

In his opinion, the publication in the NYT may be an element of the information war against Russia.

Finally, the expert added that the Americans themselves do not have comparable devices to the AU-12.

Igor Kurdin, chairman of the St. Petersburg submariners' club, captain of the 1 rank of the reserve, commented to the VIEW newspaper in his comments that “Americans have recently started to worry a lot”. They are worried and offended by the restoration of the presence of the Russian Navy in different parts of the oceans, although the US Navy "never left its patrol areas even after the end of the Cold War."
Kurdin made it clear that both the Americans are watching the Russian coast and the Russian sailors are doing their job.

As for the article in the New York Times, he found several inaccuracies in it. First, “Americans are cunning, saying that we are talking about cables for the Internet,” it is “written for readers of the NYT and other newspapers.” Second, Americans cannot track the movement of Russian submarines from satellites.

Most likely, it is a question of a normal military competition between Russia and the USA. “Warfare is a simple thing. If there is any new weaponthe other side creates anti-weapons, etc., ”explained Kurdin.

Back in 1960, the Americans began to create the SOSUS long-range acoustic monitoring system, the principle of which was to lay hundreds of kilometers of cables along the ocean floor, which fixed the movement of submarines. To combat SOSUS in the USSR, deep-sea apparatuses appeared capable of cutting the cable. “Of course, they still exist,” the expert added.

You can only reason hypothetically


The editor-in-chief of the magazine “Arms Export”, Andrei Frolov, told the VIEW newspaper that the deep-sea AC-12 is not even under the jurisdiction of the fleet, but under the jurisdiction of the elite main deep-sea research department of the Ministry of Defense. As a rule, the submarine delivers it to the place of service easier - the carrier boat.

“I argue hypothetically. And, in principle, the interest of our submarines can be simple. They are able - just as the Americans did in their time - to put special buoys on communication cables in order to intercept messages, or in case of an X-hour, you can install certain “destroyers” who simply break the connection and the Internet. But I still have not heard of such a danger, and I do not really believe that this is how it happens. Media reports are more like an element of the information war due to the activity of Russia in Syria, etc., ”he concluded.

Russian submarines are required to maintain combat duty in the Atlantic Ocean, where submarine communication cables are laid to track the movement of American submarines with nuclear ammunition, and no one can interfere with this, said RIA "News»Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, former Commander of the Black Sea Fleet.

“The United States is beginning to resemble Sweden, where everyone feels that our submarines are constantly present in their territorial waters - fear has big eyes. Although these communications do exist, we certainly will not cause any harm to them, either technically or financially, ”he noted.
Nobody has yet canceled operations to obtain secret information from submarine cables since the cold war between the USSR and the USA, Admiral Viktor Kravchenko, chief of the Russian Navy’s headquarters (in 1998 – 2005), told RIA Novosti.

“Soviet, then Russian submarines repeatedly carried out operations to install sensors on American cables in the Atlantic area to obtain information, the same operations were carried out by Americans off our shores. Since then, hardly anything has changed, ”he believes.

Recall of suspicions by the US Navy in relation to the actions of Russian submariners were first reported in early September. At the same time, American analysts noted that this case could be part of a larger strategic intelligence operation of Russia in relation to American missile carriers and other targets. Fox News, citing a senior official, added that "the United States also keeps its spy ships off the coast of Russia."

Prior to this, the Swedish military searched, but did not find an “unidentified underwater object” in their waters, which they took to be a submarine from Russia.

In addition, the search for "Russian submarine" revealed a gap in the defense of Britain.
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 29 October 2015 14: 22 New
    +10
    Well, why when it comes to the boat AC-12 in photo 667 "Dolphin"?
    Here is the medium, sort of ...


    And here is a kind of layout ...

    Taken here on the site.
    1. Good me
      Good me 29 October 2015 14: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, why when it comes to the project boat in the 677 photo "Dolphin"?


      Well, it was, at the editor’s, "at hand" photo of the BDRM, so it "squeezed" into the article what turned up. This happens all the time. However, in this case, this blunder does not affect the semantic load of the article.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 29 October 2015 14: 34 New
        +12
        And I’m very pleased, if the mattresses are worried, they also drove the subcutaneous rooster well
        1. aktanir
          aktanir 29 October 2015 14: 51 New
          0
          happy to be no reason. Americans are not afraid of anything in this particular case. Do you know what the worst thing is? any submarine exit is the strictest secret, not to mention the purpose of its shift. And the Yankees in the current situation informed us and the whole world that they know very well where our "loshariki" are and with what possible mission, that they are somewhere near the cables. This should be alarming and interesting for us. Since the USA leaked information, it means they did it on purpose to inform our military that they know their activities and plan "tricks" is futile.
          1. Kite
            Kite 30 October 2015 00: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: aktanir
            And the Yankees in the current situation informed us .......

            In fact, this is not information, but the most ordinary throwing of the barren and picky from .... to maintain hysteria among the frivolous Western population. Across the ocean, a lot of all kinds of ships go in all directions. Some trawls have the basic equipment, they are also called trawlers, all have anchors, and the cables are not laid in deserted places and not roundabout routes. If the cable lay somehow it’s not known where, so, it would be torn regularly, like “drunken excavators” tearing telephone and power cables in the ground.
            Maybe the equipment’s life is coming to an end, but there’s not enough money to upgrade it. Maybe a mass failure of cables and equipment is expected soon, and they will begin to nod in our direction. On the demented, this stuffing is designed. In peacetime, you can duplicate communication channels in different ways (which is done, including satellite transponders), and in war, it’s more reliable to hammer on the ground node immediately and not fool yourself. Installing buoys on an underwater optical cable (which is for high-speed transmission, including Internet data streams) to monitor the transmitted data? It was written by a man with a real, classic belay humanitarian "education" laughing or in other words - alternatively gifted laughing
      2. loft79
        loft79 29 October 2015 14: 54 New
        +2
        Quote: Good I
        Well, it was, at the editor’s, “at hand” photo of the BDRM, that’s “squeezed” into the article

        This is not buzzing. Such a reputable site should not be likened to yellow and "non-specialized" media. Moreover, the photo is searched in 2 seconds. hi
        http://topwar.ru/24870-sekrety-losharika.html
      3. BIGLESHIY
        BIGLESHIY 29 October 2015 17: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Good I
        Quote: Vladimir
        Well, why when it comes to the project boat in the 677 photo "Dolphin"?


        Well, it was, at the editor’s, "at hand" photo of the BDRM, so it "squeezed" into the article what turned up. This happens all the time. However, in this case, this blunder does not affect the semantic load of the article.

        I believe that such blunders on the site should not happen. If the article is about an airplane, then a photo of the tank will not be appropriate.
      4. gispanec
        gispanec 29 October 2015 18: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir
        Well, why when it comes to the boat AC-12 in photo 667 "Dolphin"?

        Quote: Good I
        Well, the editor had a photo at hand

        full of such mistakes on topvar ...
    2. kil 31
      kil 31 29 October 2015 14: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, why when it comes to the boat AC-12 in photo 667 "Dolphin"?

      Here he is loshara. hi
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 29 October 2015 14: 47 New
        +7
        This is not Losharik. Rather, Mir-1 is similar anyway.
        1. kil 31
          kil 31 29 October 2015 15: 24 New
          0
          Quote: rudolff
          This is not Losharik. Rather, Mir-1 is similar anyway.
          vilingstore.net ›Weapons and military equipment› batiskaf-Losharik-i103662
          1. WUA 518
            WUA 518 29 October 2015 16: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Kil 31
            Weapons and military equipment ›batiskaf-Losharik-i103662
          2. starpom
            starpom 29 October 2015 17: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Kil 31
            vilingstore.net ›Weapons and military equipment› batiskaf-Losharik-i103662

            the conversation is about another losharika
          3. starpom
            starpom 29 October 2015 17: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Kil 31
            vilingstore.net ›Weapons and military equipment› batiskaf-Losharik-i103662

            the conversation is about another losharika
      2. kote119
        kote119 29 October 2015 14: 53 New
        +1
        it's not a losharik but a world
        1. meridbt
          meridbt 29 October 2015 14: 57 New
          -3
          Do not enlighten why it is called a losharik? Somehow disrespectfully.
          1. Good me
            Good me 29 October 2015 15: 12 New
            +11
            Quote: meridbt
            Do not enlighten why it is called a losharik? Somehow disrespectfully.


            And here is why:

            Convincingly?
            1. meridbt
              meridbt 29 October 2015 15: 15 New
              +2
              Quite thanks smile
              At the same time I read an article about him: http://army-news.ru/2013/03/sekrety-glubokovodnoj-podvodnoj-lodki-losharik/
              1. Good me
                Good me 29 October 2015 15: 18 New
                +5
                Quote: meridbt
                Quite thanks


                Yes, there’s nothing ... I haven’t shown you the Donbass Chebureshku yet ...
            2. water
              water 29 October 2015 19: 18 New
              +2
              Losharik - he is the losharik. He would have a fin instead of a screw and an additional sphere of a sturdy hull to accommodate divers - it would be a car! And so - just our glorious day before yesterday.
    3. jjj
      jjj 29 October 2015 14: 29 New
      +1
      Yeah. And BDRMs did not become a carrier of small boats so far
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 October 2015 14: 35 New
        +2
        Apparently for illustration this ship was meant - BS-136 "Orenburg" ave. 09786
        1. jjj
          jjj 29 October 2015 14: 37 New
          +1
          But the model shows how AC-12 Ave. 10831 "Losharik" is attached to it
        2. kote119
          kote119 29 October 2015 17: 12 New
          0
          used 667 bdrm for illustration, this is another ship
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 29 October 2015 14: 42 New
        0
        And BDRMs did not become a carrier of small boats so far

        Not yet. Orenburg from the BDR was redone. But it seems like BDRM is already redone (in the process, so to speak).
        1. Andrey NM
          Andrey NM 29 October 2015 16: 27 New
          +2
          BDRM 3rd building K-64 since 1999, all remodel in BS-64. In August of this year, they were taken out of the boathouse for completion and testing. But in general, it could carry military services, like the rest of the BDRMs. For alterations, many candidates from the BDRs are about the same year of release.
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    4. Truth
      Truth 29 October 2015 14: 29 New
      +4
      With their, so to speak concern, they burned themselves, meaning they are preparing for an attack on Russia ...
      They are always worried when it breaks down and is covered with a "copper basin".
    5. avt
      avt 29 October 2015 14: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, why when it comes to the boat AC-12 in photo 667 "Dolphin"?

      Quote: Good I
      Well, it was, at the editor’s, "at hand" photo of the BDRM, so it "squeezed" into the article what turned up.

      Actually, well, if you study the materiel, out of 667 media are made for ,, losharikov, "recently," Moscow Region "seems to have been made to replace" Orenburg ".
      1. jjj
        jjj 29 October 2015 14: 59 New
        +2
        Bred from boathouse in August. Now they will experience. It was rebuilt just from the BDRM, but so far not in the fleet
      2. Grits
        Grits 29 October 2015 17: 01 New
        +3
        When I was at Zvezdochka, I personally participated in the repair of the uterus, the carriers of little scout boats that are little known even to us, builders. If the memory does not change, then the BDR was redone under the medium, but the BDR. And on that side of the bay, in the secret 42th NSR workshop, the Losharik, known only by various rumors, was peacefully built
    6. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 29 October 2015 17: 09 New
      0
      Good horse)))
  2. svetoruss
    svetoruss 29 October 2015 14: 23 New
    +3
    Send to the Pentagon, as humanitarian aid, a tincture of valerian and motherwort, let them drink the sick ...
  3. samoletil18
    samoletil18 29 October 2015 14: 27 New
    +1
    Yeah, leave the world without the Internet! Right now! So we read, analyze ... we will draw conclusions.
  4. Penetrator
    Penetrator 29 October 2015 14: 27 New
    +5
    Why Americans are worried about the Internet, I just do not understand. These boats are not for the Internet, they perform military tasks

    What is incomprehensible? Americans believe that Russians are brazenly stealing Internet traffic. laughing
  5. venaya
    venaya 29 October 2015 14: 29 New
    +3
    publications on the “aggressive activity” of Russian submarines near important communication cables,

    I remember that they themselves clung to our cables going to the Kola Peninsula. Something we did not have any hysteria in the media in those years. Apparently this is normal practice in international relations.
  6. morozik
    morozik 29 October 2015 14: 33 New
    0
    Losharik !!! this is FIVE points!)
  7. smoke break
    smoke break 29 October 2015 14: 33 New
    +2
    An objective reaction of a likely adversary: ​​they see that they have them under water, but they can do absolutely nothing. America has no such devices like our speakers. Moreover, the means of dealing with them, they are also NEMA, that’s what they are doing ....
  8. Gani
    Gani 29 October 2015 14: 33 New
    +4
    Pentagon: better watch your airships! They have a complicated relationship with Cables, and our fleet has not yet ruined a single cable!))
  9. Abbra
    Abbra 29 October 2015 14: 39 New
    +2
    A simple test for fear.
  10. pts-m
    pts-m 29 October 2015 14: 39 New
    +3
    in this case there is a saying ... the cap is on the thief ... the Shiatov ss are advancing on their own rake mounted against Russian boats.
  11. Andrea
    Andrea 29 October 2015 14: 40 New
    +1
    Here she came, paranoia!
  12. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 29 October 2015 15: 12 New
    0
    In our century, the age of computers, who owns the information, he has already secured half the victory for himself. Therefore, the Americans are so servile to their cable lines, although this is yet another intimidation of their population, as well as satellite in Europe.
  13. The Chat
    The Chat 29 October 2015 15: 16 New
    +2
    Judged by themselves.
    As they "" ... Americans did in their time - to put special buoys on communication cables in order to intercept messages ", so it’s democratic ...
    But now, as soon as others have such opportunities (only opportunities!), Then immediately a squeal - "And what for us ?? !! bully
  14. mark2
    mark2 29 October 2015 18: 21 New
    +1
    The Pentagon is worried that Russian submarines are conducting "aggressive activities" near important submarine communications cables that "provide almost the entire Internet in the world,"


    Russian submariners did not set buoys sailed but replaced the old ones. otherwise those resources have already been worked out. need to update.
  15. VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 29 October 2015 18: 43 New
    0
    Yes, the adversaries know a little, if the ASOk got scared, there are already other GAs with an immersion depth of more than 6000 meters (with manipulator arms)))))))
  16. AlexTires
    AlexTires 29 October 2015 19: 12 New
    +2
    A very scary tale for an American voter:
    "And the Russian Cossacks jumped on loshariki across the sea-ocean and connected to the underwater cable through a ball valve, but pumped out all Facebook and Google, poured leather furs and disappeared into the abyss, they only saw them! Boo-oo" laughing
  17. DMB_95
    DMB_95 29 October 2015 19: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: aktanir
    happy to be no reason. Americans are not afraid of anything in this particular case. Do you know what the worst thing is? any submarine exit is the strictest secret, not to mention the purpose of its shift. And the Yankees in the current situation informed us and the whole world that they know very well where our "loshariki" are and with what possible mission, that they are somewhere near the cables. This should be alarming and interesting for us. Since the USA leaked information, it means they did it on purpose to inform our military that they know their activities and plan "tricks" is futile.

    Or maybe it was our military who deliberately leaked to strain those who tensed. In order for the whole world to know that our cruise missiles are no worse than Western ones, we had to launch more than twenty pieces. Effective and effective, but expensive. So with Losharik, but not so expensive.
  18. persei
    persei 29 October 2015 21: 30 New
    0
    the bogeyman thinks everyone is
  19. Member
    Member 29 October 2015 22: 09 New
    0
    They are afraid that the cable will be cut and America will remain without the Internet
  20. Steppe
    Steppe 29 October 2015 22: 16 New
    0
    fool And what do the stripes hope for? The fact that if they attack Russia, Russia will not touch their finger in response? Understand and forgive?
  21. zulusuluz
    zulusuluz 29 October 2015 22: 41 New
    0
    And even a golden toilet (paraphrase of an old joke) will not save from flatulence ...
  22. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 30 October 2015 09: 39 New
    0
    Communication with Obama in every home !!! And the Russians will call Obama by phone at night, as they used to indulge in unfamiliar numbers in childhoodlaughing