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Will Australia stand against China?

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According to media reports, the ministers of defense and foreign affairs of Japan and Australia are going to meet in November on Australian territory without specifying the city and time of the meeting. It is known that the main topics will be the situation in the Asia-Pacific region, the joint development of military equipment (in particular, the transfer of Japanese submarine construction technologies), and the interaction of the armed forces. It is clear that both countries can discuss joint defense issues, meaning first of all it is China, and not Russia or, say, Indonesia, although these countries will undoubtedly pay their attention.


Will Australia stand against China?

Australian UDC HMAS Adelaide and HMAS Canberra


Both Japan and Australia are longtime US allies in the Pacific region and, more recently, TTP members, which are rapidly turning from an economic union into a kind of military alliance. Given that any economy needs to expand, including through direct military seizure of markets and sources of raw materials, a hint for its neighbors is more than transparent. In addition, the two countries are united by the American military presence. But if Tokyo would like to get rid of a part of the American bases, then Canberra, on the contrary, wants to get them. Rumors that several thousand American marines may move from Okinawa to the Australian coast have been circulating for several years.

Australia has long made an unofficial turn from the concept of protecting its own coast to a new imperialism. This is noticeable not only in rhetoric and one-time actions like insignificant ISIS bombing, but above all in the scale of naval construction.

The most impressive novelty, of course, is the Canberra-class helicopter carriers, built according to the Spanish project of the UDC "Juan Carlos I" and which are the largest ships of the Australian fleet all his history. Each of the two new ships is able to take on board up to 1600 mans of troops and 110 cars. And the hangar can accommodate up to 18 helicopters.



The Australian sailors have so far refused the initial idea of ​​basing F-35B aircraft, as well as deck fighters and attack aircraft, but the fact that they left the springboard, which migrated directly from the Spanish project, suggests that this refusal is not final . The helicopter, as is known, doesn’t need a springboard.

In addition to helicopter carriers, the Royal Navy acquires other major ships. These are the landing ship dock HMAS "Choules", built in Britain and sold to Australia in 2011 year, and the auxiliary vessel ADV "Ocean Shield" and three destroyers of the class "Hobart", which are under construction right now.


Landing ship dock HMAS "Choules"


The latter are no less interesting than the new helicopter carriers. Declared as anti-aircraft, they also have serious anti-ship capabilities: 8 MK41 UVP cells will necessarily be filled with Harpoon missiles, which, if desired, can be replaced by Tomahawks. By and large, the Hobart will become a universal destroyer, although first of all it is an anti-aircraft / anti-missile ship, where the Aegis system and RIM-66 Standard 2 missiles offer ample opportunities. At the moment, except Japan, only Japan and South Korea have such ships. From whom is Australia going to fight off so specific weapons? Clearly not from Indonesia. Apparently, the United States is preparing allies for the possible creation of an anti-missile blockade of either China or the Russian Far East. How much such plans are realizable is another question, but measures in this direction will be taken.

Obviously, one thing - in two or three years, Australia will be able to deploy large own forces almost anywhere in the world. And certainly not for the purposes of defense of some remote possessions. Today, Australia has seven overseas territories: three of them are uninhabited, and one - the Antarctic - is not recognized by the international community. For their defense helicopter carriers are not needed, and not defensive this weapon. It would not hurt to recall that Australia gained considerable benefits in the wake of both world wars, both direct in the form of territories and wealth, and indirect in the form of immigration to the green continent of European citizens. In the XXI century it will not be possible to sit on the sidelines, dragging chestnuts out of the fire by someone else’s hands. Whose legacy is Canberra going to share this time?

Свежие news only confirm the above conclusions. Literally just (October 27), Australia fervently supported the American initiative to send a destroyer to the South China Sea, where it would eloquently violate the 12-mile zone around the Chinese part of the Spratly Islands as a sign of non-recognition of Beijing’s claims to these waters. As Australian Defense Minister Maris Payne noted, “almost 60% of total Australian exports go to other countries via the South China Sea.” If the Chinese do not swallow an insult, and decide to conflict, the hottest times for the green continent may begin much earlier than many people think. Allied debt has not been canceled.
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  1. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 28 October 2015 07: 11
    +6
    As America became the haven of all rabble from Europe that spilled over into the FSA, so Australia was a British prison that spilled over into almost the most devoted FSA vassal ... request
    Everything is logical yes
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 28 October 2015 13: 27
      0
      It's not about rabble, etc.

      1) Australia in England and the United States - this is for example Kazakhstan in Russia (or Austria in Germany) - a geopolitical ally - tightly sewn by historical cultural ties and the fact that the same people live there

      Australia was among the first to land in Vietnam, bombed Iraq by the Yugoslavs and so on and so forth


      2) China - as the whole world has already understood, the upcoming geopolitical adversary of the USA and the West, the USA are gaining allies to South Korea, Japan

      China, on the other hand, is strengthening its continental rear - Russia with the entire CSTO and Kazakhstan - so as not to depend on maritime energy supplies - which will be blocked by the West in an instant.

      And it will take at least 5 years to block Russia and Kazakhstan from the west (the experience of the last attack of the European Union in 1941-1945)

      In general, the 21st century is the confrontation between China and the USA

      3) In addition, China clearly relies on direct assistance from the CSTO and Russia in case of direct aggression of the West - so far there are no direct agreements - but in the future this will be the case.
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: Talgat
        And it will take at least 5 years to block Russia and Kazakhstan from the west (the experience of the last attack of the European Union in 1941-1945)

        The West will not be able to block Russia and Kazakhstan by force this time, because they will not survive even a year after such "blocking". And in order not to economically pressurize and need a strong alliance of neighboring states. Wars should be waged on the territory of the enemy, and not wait for him to hide with his troops and bombs in your house.
      2. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 28 October 2015 21: 26
        +1
        Quote: Talgat
        And it will take at least 5 years to block Russia and Kazakhstan from the west (the experience of the last attack of the European Union in 1941-1945)

        I correctly understood what to cut off in this case is to cut off from China? Militarily, I do not agree, it’s more likely not the fact that Russia and Kazakhstan in general will have a sense of somehow actively integrating into this action, I’ll rather see it and then decide how much and what will be profitable for us there. In their right mind nobody will trample on China in the near future, a victory may be probable, but its price will be unrealistic
  2. parusnik
    parusnik 28 October 2015 07: 25
    +2
    Will Australia stand against China?... But not today and not tomorrow .. and not in 2-3 years .. In the event that the United States gets involved in a fight .. as with ISIS
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 28 October 2015 07: 28
    +4
    Australia has long made an unspoken U-turn from the concept of protecting its own shores to a new imperialism

    If the population and resources are enough. A new Yamato empire will not work out of them, and a stingy poke somewhere under the cover of the staff hem and besides Australia there are many who wish. They have not yet committed a single act on their own. The population there sharply increased after the war due to immigrants who fled away from unpredictable Europe, then ours pulled themselves into the 90's. I doubt that there are a lot of people who want to put their well-built carcasses over the ghostly overseas territories, when the continent itself has not really been mastered, and the bulk of the population lives in coastal (read - easily vulnerable from the sea) areas. In the event of a retaliatory strike, there will be nowhere to run. And often no one.
  4. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 28 October 2015 07: 40
    0
    Sooner or later, nuclear flares will sparkle. Although it sounds cynical, it is better to let it be in that region than ours.
    And if a major war arises there, the FSA will not be long before us.
  5. PlotnikoffDD
    PlotnikoffDD 28 October 2015 07: 56
    0
    Let Liechtenstein be declared a war!
  6. Arno
    Arno 28 October 2015 08: 12
    +4
    It looks like China is being surrounded from all sides!

    I think China needs to seriously consider relocating its compatriots to Australia.
    Some 100 million! :)
    1. vasilkovao
      vasilkovao 28 October 2015 09: 52
      0
      If China supported us in the Syrian issue more expressively, if this support were effective, then I am sure that Russia would show "firmness" ... Otherwise, it will be hard for the Chinese, and there is a danger of using extreme measures !!! Moreover, the Chinese attack in small detachments - 2-3 million each .. fellow
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 28 October 2015 21: 30
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        Quote: vasilkovao
        If China supported us more clearly on the Syrian issue, if this support were effective

        Syria is not quite our game, we ourselves are more likely in a cooperative than the founders, but Ukraine is more likely to be our game, but playing it thinly is not an option to plow from the air, so I won’t even guess what we need military support for China now, and think so prematurely
  7. Leonid1976
    Leonid1976 28 October 2015 08: 14
    +4
    "Obviously not from Indonesia." Why is the author so sure of this? The population of Indonesia is more than 10 times. There are a lot of problems. The growth of Islamic fundamentalism cannot be ruled out. There have been disagreements over the islands in the past. Illegal emigration, again, as an additional annoying factor, and a fleet is needed so that a loving potential enemy is not tempted to use the islands as a floating aircraft carrier off the Australian coast. The aviation, navy and ground forces of the country adhere to a level sufficient for anyone! enemy to discourage the desire to conduct amphibious operations on or near the Australian coast. And yet, yes, except for the United States, no one at this stage is able to do this. And the US provides a nuclear umbrella. But Australia trades with Asia. And China has the first place here. A year ago in Brisbane, only for Russians and Ukrainians Putin was important. They shook, did not shake hands ... For Australia, the trade agreement with China was much more important. A difficult decision that paved the way for Chinese investment in strategic industries. And further. Look at the scale of China. In relation to him, any actions of neighbors in our century are defensive and are caused by fear. Only someone is renting territory (not to fight on two fronts), and someone is building destroyers and helicopter carriers.
  8. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 28 October 2015 08: 26
    +3
    In Australia, there is a real "China phobia". I don’t know for what reason, but they were really afraid that China would occupy Australia, and in the near future. There, various types of television programs are constantly shown on TV, where the inhabitants are inspired with the idea that China is only doing what it is "wandering" off the coast of Australia and waiting for a convenient moment to seize it. Are they scattered there, Austroloids at all, go from idleness? Or, simply, how do they raise their "significance"?
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 28 October 2015 21: 33
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      I don’t know for what reason anymore, but there they were really scared

      The British there are newcomers and the piece is very sweet, the resources are like in Siberia and the climate has something to worry about, but so far the USA is behind them and the USA is strong enough to worry about nothing, it’s just that the latest U.S. adventures may make them and Japan safe, they will suddenly weaken.
  9. the most important
    the most important 28 October 2015 08: 40
    +6
    The era of peace and prosperity is relegated relentlessly. And our two main allies - the army and navy - need special attention.
  10. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 28 October 2015 08: 53
    +1
    Still, the author’s conclusions are not substantiated. Australia is a sea power. It would be strange if the Australians did not develop the naval component, especially under the direct control of the godfather from Washington.
    In my opinion, the main purpose of universal landing ships is to participate in expeditionary type operations (in the terminology of the NATO strategic command in Norfolk). Actually, the forms of use of the armed forces of Australia can be either an expeditionary operation or the defense of its own coast.
    In the foreseeable future, hardly anyone will attack Australia. And for expeditionary operations in Oceania, which is nearby, there is room.
    1. Leonid1976
      Leonid1976 28 October 2015 09: 21
      +2
      Australia has already taken part in several peacekeeping operations in Oceania. And the helicopter carriers for this very thing.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 28 October 2015 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: Leonid1976
        And the helicopter carriers for this very thing.


        Very convenient targets. bully
  11. cniza
    cniza 28 October 2015 09: 09
    +5
    Quote: the most important
    The era of peace and prosperity is relegated relentlessly. And our two main allies - the army and navy - need special attention.



    Truth and God forbid us to forget about it.
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 28 October 2015 10: 26
    +1
    Propaganda of the states hysteria. Keeps an ally in good shape.
    Quote: Monster_Fat
    There, various types of television programs are constantly shown on TV, where the inhabitants are inspired with the idea that China is only doing what it is "wandering" off the coast of Australia and waiting for a convenient moment to seize it.
  13. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 28 October 2015 10: 43
    +1
    Australia and Japan are just the US backups. Without the decision of the Americans, these countries will not do anything on their own. The rattles are beautiful, but with real US fleets it’s just a little bucket. In addition, without combat experience and constant operation.
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 28 October 2015 21: 43
      0
      Quote: Dan Slav
      Australia and Japan are just the US backups. Without the decision of the Americans, these countries will not do anything on their own. The rattles are beautiful, but with real US fleets it’s just a little bucket. In addition, without combat experience and constant operation.

      Japan was not always like that, but only a small part of its history, we also once brought in a share of the Khan, the Japanese can have their own plans and have them, perhaps they assume that they are already gone and there will soon be, there are prerequisites for this, they are technologically and economically strong demography also requires expansion; this requires an army.
  14. Belousov
    Belousov 28 October 2015 10: 49
    +3
    The problem is that the Chinese will tolerate this. This means that staff members by other hands (as in other things and always) will shake the situation. But if China responded once as it should, then it would be easier for them themselves in the future, they would not be pressed like that. And Australopithecus noble warriors, already conquered whole Aborigines.
  15. sinoptic
    sinoptic 28 October 2015 15: 33
    0
    8 Mk41 UVP cells will be sure to be filled with Harpoon missiles

    The MK41 does not carry Harpoon missiles, and therefore does not have a trough of anti-ship functions ... yet.
  16. T-73
    T-73 28 October 2015 17: 13
    0
    Sverbit at the Japanese, oh sverbit. And the states for any squeeze, except for the hunger strike, will pull them up to ANZUS.
    Quote: Belousov
    This means that staff members by other hands (as in other things and always) will shake the situation.

    Not even a question.
    Quote: sinoptic
    And Australopithecus noble warriors, already conquered whole natives

    And the kangaroo.
  17. Megatron
    Megatron 28 October 2015 17: 15
    +1
    The problem is that with all my respect and friendliness to China, it is not yet a great power. Let me explain why. Of course, China allows a lot of angry rhetoric, but even it is "released" mainly through newspapers, well, as a maximum, sometimes there are minor pogroms provoked by "patriotic comrades."
    Comrade Xi, only narrows his eyes thoughtfully and is silent. For many years it was perceived as a "latent threat", or deliberate actions, but there is no action. And not military, not even economic.

    And now about the "greatness" - in the history of the Senkakku Islands, how many were, as a result, China was opposed by the United States and even Japan, no matter how much he forbade flying and entering "their" territorial waters - the Japs swam there as much as they wanted, the Americans flew , and in fact zilch. China is wiped away. Now everyone has forgotten about it. Everything will be the same here. Australia will swim, America will fly, the rest of the smaller hyenas will just make faces and laugh and tease. Moreover, China does not respond with military force, well, it is not yet ready, but it does not press with its main weapon - the economy, does not spin eggs to states, does not deprive them of its huge market, does not dump their debt obligations, but as it bought and buys them further and sits on them like a chicken on rotten eggs. Paradox?

    And now about our country. When our fighters, and different "Bears" there, fly around the NATO borders, I will not say that they are all shitting in their pants, but the fact that they are very nervous is for sure (I think everyone also heard about Donald Cook) and not only the riffraff such as the Balts and the Scandinavians (to whom any log in the Baltic seems to be a Russian submarine) even the Angles at their bases, near the northern sea. Now, more specifically. I think that everyone is aware that during the operation to cross the Crimea to the Russian Federation, there were NATO ships in the Black Sea, and the alliance planned a different course of events, up to their military intervention and landing in the Crimea and Sevastopol. But they thought better of it in time. Why? Because they understood what to face, no one would have used nuclear weapons against them, but the ships would have been sunk, and the landing force was thrown into the sea and destroyed, that would be the end of the whole mess, NATO would have crap all over the world, and most likely if after such a slap in the face it would dissolve itself. Not a single adversary can boast that he roamed our territorial waters or heavens with impunity, because he knows that the hand is strong on the trigger of the Russian fighter, on the remote control of our air defense systems, and, most importantly, the hand is strong at the Main telephone of the country, through which a short order will come - "destroy!"

    That is why everyone is kept away from our planes, even in the sky of Syria - both arrogant and Americans, and even vaunted Tzahalat.
  18. andrew42
    andrew42 28 October 2015 19: 04
    0
    Australia is essentially "under-state". Always someone's appendage. Either the British crown, or the North American Kaganate. Population. They, the Australians, on the contrary, should stay aside as long as possible, as always. It’s stupid that the Australian went to Europe to the front of the 1st World War, you can not imagine. But there it is clear, Metropolis has called for no chance of evasion. With China, it is fraught with danger. Firstly, economic ties are big, to break them is to cut the same Australian bitch. Secondly, as a state, Australia has never acted as an independent military force, the first small shock will drive them back to the island, under the bench.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 2 November 2015 13: 19
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      The fact of the matter is that the metropolis did not call them. She was right no longer in those days. Dominion authorities declared a call. Many rode voluntarily. Many Astralians, both then and now, have an affection for Britain, remember the relationship with the British, Scots. Like New Zealanders, by the way. By mentality, Australians and New Zealand are closer to the British than the Americans of the United States.
  19. cergey51046
    cergey51046 28 October 2015 21: 07
    0
    Sorry for Australia. Looks like they don’t know how, they lost the instinct of self-preservation. I remember in my childhood the song was about how a shark (America) wanted to eat a whale (China), but for this she has a small throat. What can I say about Australia.
  20. Sargaras
    Sargaras 29 October 2015 11: 16
    0
    Anecdote almost to this topic.
    The Chukchi gathered to attack China. The Chinese learned about this, came to Chukotka and asked: "You are going to seriously attack us." The Chukchi answer: Of course we are going. "The Chinese:" But we are one and a half billion. "Chukchi:" Indeed, where are we going to bury you all. "