Rosoboronexport: Negotiations on a contract for the possible supply of Su-35 to China are ongoing

The head of the Rosoboronexport company, Anatoly Isaikin, told the media that negotiations between Russia and China are continuing on possible deliveries of Su-35 aircraft to the PRC. At the moment, the parties have not yet agreed on the terms. Anatoly Isaykin, who gave something very lengthy, quotes RIA News:

Negotiations on the Su-35 are underway. Years and years pass before the conclusion of the contract itself. Determining the technical appearance of the aircraft.

Earlier, materials appeared in the Chinese media that, with all the activity of the PRC in an attempt to create its own multifunctional modern military aircraft, the country's air force is unlikely to be able to do without ordering the Su-35 from Russia. In edition Want China Times were not impressed with the tests of the Chinese J-11D fighter and wrote that Beijing needs to seriously think about concluding a contract for the supply of Su-35 aircraft from Russia.

In June of this year, Rosoboronexport announced that the contract could be signed by the end of 2015.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Are the Chinese preparing for the release of the next analogue of Sushki? Or will copyright be protected?

[Engineer]

Copyright in China .. no, haven't heard. They copied the Su-27, but it cannot be called a clone - a fake. And the engines are still sadder - they do not even reach the level of Al-31F yet. So it will be like with our air defense systems - there is a clone, but Beijing is covered by the original.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

If I were in the place of the Chinese, it would be better to buy Bastions and Bali in order to be placed on artificial islands in the South China Sea, otherwise the United States is pulling its destroyers closer and closer, and submarines are probably hanging around somewhere nearby.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

If I were in the place of the Chinese, it would be better to buy Bastions and Bali in order to be placed on artificial islands in the South China Sea, otherwise the United States is pulling its destroyers closer and closer, and submarines are probably hanging around somewhere nearby.

They have their own missiles against ships

[Karlovar]

And very sickly! And about the S-400: about 5 years ago in one Russian military magazine - I don't remember exactly which one - it was written that Russian designers, as part of a joint design bureau, help the Chinese develop a Chinese analogue of the S-400-HQ-19 ... develop, along the way, and put into series ... On the Su-35, on the way, the same combination can be ... ..By the way, the Chinese HQ-16 air defense systems and the WZ-10 helicopter were designed with the participation of Russian specialists ... and this was announced recently, and before that it was a secret ...

[iConst]

Quote: Engineer

Copyright in China .. no, haven't heard. They copied the Su-27, but it cannot be called a clone - a fake.

- That is why the US did not invite China to the TPP.

The "free" trade zone implies the dictate of the United States and a supranational solution of economic issues.

Those. The United States can do whatever it wants in any TPP country. Key point of the agreement: intellectual property protection clause.
It is understood that the factories will be in these countries, but American technologies will be introduced. And at any time, the United States can stop any plant - this mechanism was just invented to prevent the Chinese scenario.

For the first time, the Americans encountered their own scammer, but with Asian specifics - to the astonished "but this is our technology, you steal it - just as not fair!", a fat Chinese man, smoking a thin pipe, chuckles quietly.

And again in the eyes of the pendocs a dumb question as in that joke: why do we need it?

[Karlovar]

With all the countries of the potential TPP (moreover, with all the ASEAN countries), China already has such bilateral agreements !!!! I don’t know how the Americans will get out in such a situation, the Chinese will give themselves bonuses at least in such a knot ...

[esso]

This time it won't be so easy for them to copy. They still have not been able to copy the engines, the airframe, in principle, does not differ much from the Su-27. More composite materials. The electronic filling may also not work, they will stick their current. In general, they need to sell the Su-35 with conventional engines (without deviation of the thrust vector) and less advanced electronics. On the account of copyright, the question is, when did they stop the Chinese?

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Esso

This time it won't be so easy for them to copy. They still have not been able to copy the engines, the airframe, in principle, does not differ much from the Su-27. More composite materials. The electronic filling may also not work, they will stick their current. In general, they need to sell the Su-35 with conventional engines (without deviation of the thrust vector) and less advanced electronics. On the account of copyright, the question is, when did they stop the Chinese?

The Chinese will not take a plane with a conventional engine and without radars they are not stupid

[esso]

Quote: Kyrgyz

Quote: Esso

This time it won't be so easy for them to copy. They still have not been able to copy the engines, the airframe, in principle, does not differ much from the Su-27. More composite materials. The electronic filling may also not work, they will stick their current. In general, they need to sell the Su-35 with conventional engines (without deviation of the thrust vector) and less advanced electronics. On the account of copyright, the question is, when did they stop the Chinese?

The Chinese will not take a plane with a conventional engine and without radars they are not stupid

And with new technologies ours will not sell, too, not stupid!

[VP]

Buying someone else's finished product cuts the possibilities of creating your own school of development and manufacture.

[GSH-18]

Rosoboronexport: Negotiations on a contract for the possible supply of Su-35 to China are ongoing

I am categorically against the supply of the Su-35 to the Chinese, even the export version! That way, they'll ask for another T-50 in a year!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: GSH-18

That way, they'll ask for another T-50 in a year!

There is an export version of the T-50, like we are creating with India, so you can sell it to them. In a modified form (so as not to anger the Indians), in any case, the United States will not sell its F-35 to anyone, we also need to fight for market share. In addition, there are countries with which the United States has strained relations, and they are unlikely to sell the F-35, and if they do, where is the guarantee that there is no system that would sabotage the execution of a combat mission if used against the United States?

[voyaka uh]

"There is an export version of the T-50, like we are creating with India," ////

The Hindus swear, they say the joint version is stalling ...

[Ajent cho]

Hindus swear, they say the joint version is skidding

They have such a mentality: the longer you make a decision, the "cooler" it looks. True, in many cases it turns out that the train has already left.

[iConst]

Quote: GSH-18

That way, they'll ask for another T-50 in a year!

- Duc, they have been asking for a long time!

[With Siberian Cranes]

Probably your opinion will be heard at the very top

[War and Peace]

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not supply the Chinese ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: War and Peace

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not supply the Chinese ...

In general, for PakF, it is better to build a new plant with large production capacities, at least 100 aircraft per year, so as not to delay the timeframe for building itself and for export. And not as is happening now with many weapons, first you need to saturate your troops, and only then sell for export, it is clear that no one will wait for us and many would be happy to buy our products, but they have no opportunity to wait and buy either American or European weapons.

[War and Peace]

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not supply the Chinese ...

[KazaK Bo]

oleg-gr
The Chinese are preparing to release another analogue of Sushki

They have been preparing for a long time ... but something serious and system-forming is not coming to them. This is on the C 35 ... but here we do not want to sell this aircraft with this technical equipment, which is so necessary for our partners. You can sell the equipment ... it's easy ... there won't be much trouble, but having delivered an aircraft with the characteristics that the Chinese need so much, it will be necessary to provide the technology for building a product with these technical equipment ... That is why

Negotiations on the Su-35 are underway ... Determining the technical appearance of the aircraft.

[APASUS]

Quote: oleg-gr

Are the Chinese preparing for the release of the next analogue of Sushki? Or will copyright be protected?

I think we will fly with the rights on any, China does nothing just like that! And to minimize the damage, I would conclude a contract for the supply of, for example, 100 Su-35s and with real financial guarantees. Otherwise, it makes no sense at all!

[YARUSSIAN39]

what's the point? the filling will be changed a little, they will be stuffed with their analogs, and here is "Own" creation of the military-industrial complex, they cannot sell them, they will simply copy it into a brazen

[Vladimyrych]

It is categorically impossible to sell strategic technologies to China !!! Kissing in the gums with the Drakosha will still sideline us, especially the sale of such sensitive technologies.

[dvg79]

Damn, they do not even hide why they are buying it - the position of our leadership is perplexing, to put it mildly.

[Trigger-Happy]

I think that everything will depend on the agreement on the number of aircraft. And the position of the leadership is based on this. And I really hope that this is not "kissing in the gums" as Vladimirich wrote.

[Teberii]

They want to buy a pair again, disassemble and assemble their own.

[LEVIAFAN]

Quote: oleg-gr

Are the Chinese preparing for the release of the next analogue of Sushki? Or will copyright be protected?

when it was China respecting copyright. I heard they even call their regions as countries, to write then maid in germany or french.

[Karlovar]

China respected copyrights before the Opium Wars ....

[maxim1987]

I don’t even understand the Chinese. then they boast that they are already launching the 5th generation into the series, and then they are chasing 4 ++

[Vladimyrych]

Because their "fifth generation" God forbid 3 ++ and they are well aware of this.

[meridbt]

How are "Chinese" watts on audio equipment?

[LEVIAFAN]

Quote: Teberii

They want to buy a pair again, disassemble and assemble their own.

then let 300 pieces be taken and disassembled as they want.

[Kyrgyz]

So, after all, they want to look at the negotiations for a dozen, we want to ship fifty, we will sell 30 pieces with their avionics and some kind of rounded wings

[a-cola]

We have to pull until the T-50 goes into production, and then sell it. Only we will be told that if we do not sell the Su-35 now, then there will not be enough money for the T-50 ... In principle, it may be so.

[sa-zz]

for all the activity of the PRC in an attempt to create its own multifunctional modern military aircraft, the country's air force is unlikely to be able to do without ordering the Su-35 from Russia

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: sa-zz

for all the activity of the PRC in an attempt to create its own multifunctional modern military aircraft, the country's air force is unlikely to be able to do without ordering the Su-35 from Russia

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

)))) Sedna heard some professor in the news and they went overboard, for 100 women 120 men turned out, suggests considering the issue of polyandry)))

[Odysseus]

Quote: sa-zz

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

And this is being said about the world's first manufacturing economy.
"Ay, pug! Know she is strong,
What barks at the Elephant! "

[Karlovar]

The industrial sector in China is the largest in the world !!! For example, more steel is smelted there than in the rest of the world put together ... Over the past 2 years, more cement has been produced in the PRC than in the United States over the past 100 (!) Years ... More than 2 million pieces of agricultural machinery are produced per year .. .Well, etc.

[dchegrinec]

It takes a long time for the Chinese to realize that the aviation industry is not an auto industry where you can make parts from aluminum and raw iron. There you can immediately see the earth, or, as they say, did not have time to get off the ground, as the earth kicked in the face!

[Kyrgyz]

It will take a lot of time to copy such a complex product, and by the time the copy is fine-tuned to acceptable parameters, the original will have changed two generations, therefore it is easier to buy a license, but they will not sell a license for a modern car, and the level of their copies is visible in the automotive industry, only for the domestic market and fit

[voyaka uh]

"the level of their copies is visible in the automotive industry, only for the domestic market and are suitable" ///

This is temporary, unfortunately. The same was once with Japan, then with South Korea.
First - bad copies, then - a breakthrough and ... Toyota with Yundai.
In 10 years, Chinese cars will fill the world.

[Dimon19661]

Why not sell something that will become completely obsolete in five years.

[Trigger-Happy]

The question here is that our own videoconferencing systems are provided with 100% new equipment. And this is now very far away. And only then it is necessary to engage in export sales.

[pavelty]

I think that all this is still show-off, the definition of technical, etc. etc., apparently there is no export passport on the plane yet, and without it, the Chinese cannot deliver it. So, real deliveries are still very, very far away ...

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: War and Peace

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not supply the Chinese ...

In general, for PakF, it is better to build a new plant with large production capacities, at least 100 aircraft per year, so as not to delay the timeframe for building itself and for export. And not as is happening now with many weapons, first you need to saturate your troops, and only then sell for export, it is clear that no one will wait for us and many would be happy to buy our products, but they have no opportunity to wait and buy either American or European weapons.

100 aircraft per year is $ 10 billion, have you seen the size of the budget? What will such a plant do? 12 vehicles per year would be an achievement, and a total of 60 vehicles are supposed to us and maybe the same for export, t50 is a scalpel for some directions against NATO or a high-tech enemy, in fact an element of deterrence and not a stick for a fight, remember battleships that have become so expensive that it became scary to bring them into battle and all of them did nothing but hid and protect, because one flood and half of the budget at the bottom

[evge-malyshev]

You have to be very careful when concluding a contract, otherwise it can turn out like with the TU-204. Under the contract, China d. delivered 5 pcs. TU-204. Having received one plane, the Chinese tore up the contract, studied to the last screw and created their own analogue. No matter how this situation repeats with the SU-35.

[pilot bin-bom]

Quote: Engineer

And the engines are still sadder - they do not even reach the level of Al-31F yet.

So with Al-31F, everything was not so easy and simple. Representatives of the Lytkarinsky "Saturn" traveled around the CIS countries for a long time, until the Belarusians (IPM office) told them what was wrong with the nozzle blade assembly.
Not knowing the peculiarities of the production of a number of structural parts and engine units, it is very problematic to repeat it at the level of the original.

[dckx]

The people, it seems to me, are in vain worried about copying. They will not succeed. Power plants will not copy. Above correctly noted "Not knowing the peculiarities of the production of a number of structural parts and engine units, it is very problematic to repeat it at the level of the original "... Regarding the aerodynamic model and the nozzle with all-aspect deviation of the thrust vector - for God's sake, without knowledge of control algorithms, this is a wind through your fingers (they must have their own TsAGI, the level of experience of which is directly proportional to the capabilities of the glider). I think our constructors have closed access to the algorithms. From a legal point of view, there is a lot to consider, I agree (you need to sell as much as possible)

[mmk]

They will again saw and disassemble and begin to make their own, only under a different name Sun tarpeda pad the wing