Rosoboronexport: Negotiations on a contract for the possible supply of Su-35 to China are ongoing

The head of Rosoboronexport, Anatoly Isaikin, told media representatives that negotiations are continuing between Russia and China over the possible supply of Su-35 aircraft to the PRC. At the moment, the parties have not yet agreed on the conditions. Anatoly Isaikin, who gave something very extensive, quotes RIA News:

Negotiations on the Su-35 go. Before the conclusion of the contract itself, years and years pass. Determine the technical appearance of the aircraft.

Earlier in the Chinese media appeared materials that, with all the activity of the PRC in an attempt to create its own multifunctional modern military aircraft, the country's Air Force would hardly be able to do without ordering Su-35 from Russia. In the edition Want China Times Were not impressed with the tests of the Chinese fighter J-11D and wrote that Beijing should seriously think about concluding a contract for the supply of Su-35 aircraft from Russia.

In June this year, Rosoboronexport announced that the contract could be signed before the end of 2015.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Chinas preparing to release another analogue of Sushki? Or will copyright be protected?

[Engineer]

Copyright in China .. no, not heard. They copied the Su-27s, but you can’t call it a clone - a fake. And the engines are still sadder - even up to the level of Al-31F is not yet reached. So it will be like with our air defense systems - there is a clone, but Beijing is covered by the original.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

I would have been better at the place of the Chinese, I would have bought the Bastions and Balls, in order to place them on artificial islands in the South China Sea, otherwise the United States is pulling its destroyers closer and closer, and the submarines are probably hanging around somewhere nearby.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

I would have been better at the place of the Chinese, I would have bought the Bastions and Balls, in order to place them on artificial islands in the South China Sea, otherwise the United States is pulling its destroyers closer and closer, and the submarines are probably hanging around somewhere nearby.

They have their own missiles against ships

[Karlovar]

And very sickly! And about the S-400: about 5 years ago, in one Russian military magazine - I don't remember exactly which one - it was written that Russian designers, within the framework of a joint design bureau, help the Chinese develop a Chinese analogue of the S-400-HQ-19 ... develop, along the way, and put into series .... On the Su-35, along the way, the same combination can be .... And all the statements, like, we talk, agree, confer, this is for the "partners" overseas .. ..By the way, the Chinese HQ-16 air defense systems and the WZ-10 helicopter were designed with the participation of Russian specialists ... and this was announced recently, and before that it was a secret ...

[iConst]

Quote: Engineer

Copyright in China .. no, not heard. They copied the Su-27s, but you can’t call it a clone - a fake.

- Therefore, the United States did not call in TTP China.

The "free" trade zone implies the US dictate and supranational solution of economic issues.

Those. The USA can do whatever they want in any TTP country. Key point of the agreement: intellectual property protection clause.
It is understood that the plants will be in these countries, but American technologies will be introduced. And at any moment, the United States can stop any plant - this mechanism was just invented to prevent the Chinese scenario.

For the first time, the Americans encountered their own scammer, but with Asian specifics - to the astonished "but these are our technologies, you steal them - it’s also not fair!", a fat Chinese man, smoking a thin pipe, chuckles quietly.

And again in the eyes of pendosov a dumb question as in that joke: but for what?

[Karlovar]

With all countries of the potential TPP (moreover, with all ASEAN countries), China already has similar bilateral agreements !!!! How the Americans will get out in a similar situation, I won’t know how much, the Chinese will get bonuses for themselves at least in such a node ...

[Esso]

This time it will not be so easy for them to copy. They still could not copy the engines, the glider, in principle, is not much different from the su-27. More composite materials. The electronic stuffing may also not work, they will put their current in. In general, they need to sell the Su-35 with conventional engines (without deviating the thrust vector) and less perfect electronics. What about the copyright issue, when did they stop the Chinese?

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Esso

This time it will not be so easy for them to copy. They still could not copy the engines, the glider, in principle, is not much different from the su-27. More composite materials. The electronic stuffing may also not work, they will put their current in. In general, they need to sell the Su-35 with conventional engines (without deviating the thrust vector) and less perfect electronics. What about the copyright issue, when did they stop the Chinese?

The Chinese will not take a plane with a conventional engine and without radar they are not stupid

[Esso]

Quote: Kyrgyz

Quote: Esso

This time it will not be so easy for them to copy. They still could not copy the engines, the glider, in principle, is not much different from the su-27. More composite materials. The electronic stuffing may also not work, they will put their current in. In general, they need to sell the Su-35 with conventional engines (without deviating the thrust vector) and less perfect electronics. What about the copyright issue, when did they stop the Chinese?

The Chinese will not take a plane with a conventional engine and without radar they are not stupid

And with new technologies, ours will not sell, nor are they fools!

[VP]

Buying someone else's finished product cuts the possibilities of creating your own school of development and manufacturing.

[GSH-18]

Rosoboronexport: Negotiations on a contract for the possible supply of Su-35 to China are ongoing

I am categorically against the supply of Su-35 to the Chinese, even the export version! That way they will ask another T-50 in a year!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: GSH-18

That way they will ask another T-50 in a year!

There is an export version of the T-50, like creating with India, so you can sell it to them. In a modified form (so as not to anger the Indians), in any case, the United States will not sell their F-35 to anyone, we also need to compete for market share. In addition, there are countries with which the United States has strained relations, and it is unlikely that they will sell the F-35, and if they do, then where is the guarantee that there is no system to sabotage the performance of a combat mission if used against the United States?

[voyaka uh]

"There is an export version of the T-50, like we are creating with India," ////

Hindus swear, they say, the joint version is skidding ...

[Ajent cho]

Hindus swear, they say, the joint version is stalled

They have such a mentality: the longer you make a decision, the "cooler" it looks. True, in many cases it turns out that the train has already left.

[iConst]

Quote: GSH-18

That way they will ask another T-50 in a year!

- Duc, they have been asking for a long time!

[With Siberian Cranes]

Your opinion will probably be heard at the very top.

[War and Peace]

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not the Chinese to supply ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: War and Peace

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not the Chinese to supply ...

In general, it is better for PakFa to build a new plant with large production capacities, at least 100 aircraft per year, so as not to delay the construction of both for itself and for export. And not as it is now happening with many weapons, you first need to saturate your troops, and only then sell them for export, it is clear that no one will wait for us and many would be glad to buy our products, but they do not have the opportunity to wait and buy either American weapons or European ones.

[War and Peace]

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not the Chinese to supply ...

[KazaK Bo]

oleg-gr
Chineses are preparing to release another analogue of Sushki

They have been preparing for a long time ... but something serious and system-forming does not work for them. This is on C 35 ... but here our people do not want to sell this aircraft with this equipment, so necessary, to our partners. It is possible to sell equipment ... it's easy ... there will be no big trouble, but having delivered an aircraft with the characteristics that the Chinese so need, it will be necessary to provide technology for building the product with these technical equipment ... That's why

Negotiations on the Su-35 are going on ... We determine the technical appearance of the aircraft.

[APASUS]

Quote: oleg-gr

Chinas preparing to release another analogue of Sushki? Or will copyright be protected?

I think with rights we will fly through anyone, China does nothing for nothing! And to minimize the damage, I would conclude a contract for the supply of, for example, 100 Su-35s and with real financial guarantees. But there is no sense at all!

[YARUSSIAN39]

what's the point? the filling will be changed a little, they will be stuffed with their analogs, and here is "Own" creation of the military-industrial complex, they cannot sell them, they will simply copy them into a brazen

[Vladimyrych]

Strategic technologies to China are strictly forbidden !!! Especially the sale of such sensitive technologies will come out to us on the gums with Dracocha.

[dvg79]

Damn, they don’t even hide why they are buying it, the position of our leadership is puzzling, to say the least.

[Trigger-Happy]

I think that everything will depend on the agreement on the number of aircraft. And the position of the leadership is based on this. And I really hope that this is not "kissing in the gums" as Vladimirich wrote.

[Teberii]

They want to buy a pair again, disassemble and assemble your own.

[LEVIAFAN]

Quote: oleg-gr

Chinas preparing to release another analogue of Sushki? Or will copyright be protected?

when it was china that respected copyright. I heard they even their regions as countries call, then to write maid in Germany or French.

[Karlovar]

China respected copyrights before the Opium Wars ....

[maxim1987]

Even I do not understand the Chinese. then they boast that they are already releasing the 5th generation in a series, but here they are chasing 4 ++

[Vladimyrych]

Because their "fifth generation" God forbid 3 ++ and they are well aware of this.

[meridbt]

How are "Chinese" watts on audio equipment?

[LEVIAFAN]

Quote: Teberii

They want to buy a pair again, disassemble and assemble your own.

let them then take 300 pieces and disassemble as they want.

[Kyrgyz]

So about that, after all, they want to take a look at a dozen negotiations, we want to ship fifty of them, we will sell 30 pieces with their avionics and some rounded wings

[a-cola]

It is necessary to pull until the T-50 goes into production, and then sell. They will only tell us that if we don’t sell the Su-35 now, then there will not be enough money for the T-50 ... In principle, it may be so.

[sa-zz]

for all the PRC’s activity, in an attempt to create their own multifunctional modern military aircraft, the country's air force is unlikely to do without ordering a Su-35 from Russia

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: sa-zz

for all the PRC’s activity, in an attempt to create their own multifunctional modern military aircraft, the country's air force is unlikely to do without ordering a Su-35 from Russia

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

)))) Sedna heard some kind of professor talking to them in the news and then they went too far, 100 men worked out for 120 women, offers to consider the issue of polytheism)))

[Odysseus]

Quote: sa-zz

The most developed production in China today is the production of Chinese.

And this is said about the world's first manufacturing economy.
"Ay, pug! Know she is strong,
What barks at the Elephant! "

[Karlovar]

The industrial sector in China is the largest in the world !!! For example, more steel is smelted there than in the rest of the world combined ... Over 2 years, more cement has been produced in China than in the USA over the past 100 (!) Years .... Agricultural machinery produces more than 2 million pieces a year .. . Well, etc.

[dchegrinec]

Something long reaches the Chinese that the aviation industry is not a car industry where you can make parts from aluminum and raw iron. There you can immediately see the land, or as they say did not have time to come off the ground, as the earth beat in the face!

[Kyrgyz]

It will take time to copy such a complex product, and by the time the copy is adjusted to acceptable parameters, the two generations will change to the original, therefore it’s easier to buy a license, but they will not sell the license for a modern machine, and the level of their copies is visible in the automotive industry, only to the domestic market and fit

[voyaka uh]

"the level of their copies is visible in the automotive industry, only for the domestic market and are suitable" ///

This is temporary, unfortunately. It was once the same with Japan, then with South Korea.
At first - bad copies, then - a breakthrough and ... Toyota and Yundai.
In about 10 years, Chinese cars will fill the world.

[Dimon19661]

Why not sell what in five years is completely out of date.

[Trigger-Happy]

The question here is that their own VKS should be provided with 100% new equipment. And now this is very far away. And only then it is necessary to engage in export sales.

[pavelty]

I think that all this is still a show off, the definition of technicals, etc. and so on, apparently there is still no passport for an export appearance on the plane, and without it you can’t put it to the Chinese. So, that to real deliveries is still very, very far ...

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: War and Peace

we ourselves now need hundreds of such aircraft, and not the Chinese to supply ...

In general, it is better for PakFa to build a new plant with large production capacities, at least 100 aircraft per year, so as not to delay the construction of both for itself and for export. And not as it is now happening with many weapons, you first need to saturate your troops, and only then sell them for export, it is clear that no one will wait for us and many would be glad to buy our products, but they do not have the opportunity to wait and buy either American weapons or European ones.

100 planes a year is $ 10 mrd, have you seen the size of the budget? What will such a plant do? 12 cars a year would be an achievement, and only 60 cars are supposed to be delivered to us and the same can be exported, T50 is a scalpel for some directions against NATO or a high-tech enemy, in fact an element of containment and not a stick for a fight, remember battleships that have become so expensive that it became scary to bring them into battle and all of them only did what they hid and protected, for one flood and half the budget at the bottom

[evge-malyshev]

One must be very careful when concluding a contract, otherwise it can turn out like with a TU-204. Under the contract, China must delivered 5pcs. TU-204. Having received one plane, the Chinese broke the contract, studied to the last screw and created their own analogue. No matter how this situation repeats with the SU-35.

[pilot bin-bom]

Quote: Engineer

And the engines are still sadder - even up to the level of Al-31F is not yet reached.

So with Al-31F, everything was not so easy and simple. Representatives of the Lytkarinsky "Saturn" traveled around the CIS countries for a long time, until the Belarusians (IPM office) told them what was wrong with the nozzle blade assembly.
Not knowing the features of the production of a number of structural parts and engine assemblies, repeating it at the original level is very problematic

[dckx]

The people, it seems to me, are in vain worried about copying. They will not succeed. Power plants will not copy. Above correctly noted "Not knowing the peculiarities of the production of a number of structural parts and engine units, it is very problematic to repeat it at the original level ". Regarding the aerodynamic model and the nozzle with an all-angle deviation of the thrust vector - for God's sake, without knowledge of control algorithms, this is a wind through your fingers (you must have your own TsAGI, whose level of experience is directly proportional to the capabilities of the airframe). Access to algorithms, I think, Our designers have closed. From a legal point of view, much needs to be taken into account, I agree (you need to sell the maximum)

[mmk]

They’ll cut it again and take it apart and start doing it, only under a different name Sun tarpeda pad wing