In the United States have experienced aviation laser gun

The American company Lockheed Martin conducted a test of a combat laser mounted on an aircraft with a wide sector of shelling of air targets, reports Popular Mechanics with a link to Lockheedmartin.com.

New technology developed by the order of the Pentagon and the Air Force research laboratory. The system allows the onboard laser to fire at targets at near-sonic speeds.

“The system of adaptive optical beam control (ABC) is an optical lens, the shape of which is designed to create less turbulent flows, as well as a set of deformable mirrors that correct the focus of the laser beam,” the developer’s website says.

“During test flights of an aviation combat laser, it turned out that turbulent flows occurring at transonic flight speeds violate the focusing of the laser beam, which leads to power dissipation,” the report states. “However, if the shooting is at flight, the laser power is not dissipated.”

The developers note that "the adaptive ABC system will allow the use of powerful combat lasers on advanced sixth generation fighters."

Comments

[vorobey]

Lockheed Martin is not the one that the successful Fu35 built ...? another five were not finished but already dream about the sixth

[Major Yurik]

I dimly see myself a laser shooting down a plane during aerobatics. But for bringing down a peaceful "passenger", for the purpose of another provocation, the Ukrainian-Ukrainian syndicate will probably work!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Major Yurik

I dimly see myself a laser shooting down a plane during aerobatics. But for bringing down a peaceful "passenger", for the purpose of another provocation, the Ukrainian-Ukrainian syndicate will probably work!

Theoretically, this is quite possible. But for practice, there is not enough power plant with a capacity of several tens of megawatts. Well, if the mattress can shove it onto the plane (so that it also flies! ), then there is no bazaar, everything will turn out! Good luck to the cutters!

[Penetrator]

Quote: GSH-18

Well, if the mattress can put one into the plane (so that it also flies!), Then there is no bazaar, everything will work out!

Nothing complicated, a power cable from a ground power source and FSE!

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Penetrator

Nothing complicated, power cable from a ground power source and FSO

This is somehow uninteresting. Let's better remember SDI, a nuclear-pumped laser. Those. we detonate an atomic bomb on an airplane, and the energy from its detonation is used to "pump" the laser ... There, IMHO, there was only one problem - mankind did not learn to control the detonation power of a nuclear device, you want to get 20 kilotons, or maybe 18 or 25, so the first use of such a device was the last ... But what? The states themselves said that the sixth generation would be unmanned. So why shouldn't it be disposable? This is what a profit - instead of some 2,5 thousand F-35s, you can drive all 25 thousand into the budget ...

[serg2.72]

Nobody is going to use a laser continuously. They are trying to achieve the shortest, most powerful pulse possible. Moreover, it will be useful not only in the combat version, but also in conventional communication via "fiber". As a rule, the shorter the impulses, the more information has not been canceled.

[Yuriy_999]

you are confusing different things. The information is carried not by the pulse duration, but by the frequency (although they are connected directly) per unit time. The transmitted energy is also connected with this (only already in the opposite direction). The frequency of data transmission on mobile transmission - 2.7 GHz.
Imagine what kind of energy you need to transfer in 1/2700 000 seconds to destroy even a small piece of iron. So the example is not correct
By the way, this also leads to a massive transition to mobile communications from conventional transmission narrowly targeted radio antennas (essentially the same laser but of a different power and range) to an optical fiber that is not subject to atmospheric and other interference

[renics]

That is what was closed, and in my opinion the next informational stuffing. Since before it was not possible to solve the problem of absorption of scattering of a focused beam in the atmosphere over a large distance, as a result of which the radiation power is lost. Scattering and absorption are effects that occur at the quantum level, and single photons will be removed from the laser beam by statistical
way. Therefore, the beam diameter will not change, and only the total power will decrease
which is transmitted along with the beam. For the wavelength of a powerful LWB laser (1,3 μm) and a path of 100 km at an altitude of 12 km, the transmission is 96 percent. For a path starting at an altitude of 12 km and reaching the earth's surface at a distance of 100 km, the transmittance will be 22 percent. Both values ​​correspond to a clear sky without clouds and rain. Settlements with rain on
beam paths result in 100 percent absorption, or zero transmission.
For strategic applications, laser power in the megawatt area is desired. Such power levels can also be achieved with chemical lasers that have been developed for military programs. Unlike semiconductor and solid state lasers with electrical energy, chemical lasers use chemical energy to create a beam. The chemicals used are continuously pumped into the reaction chamber.
It is not possible to put LWB on airplanes of the 6th generation, due to technical difficulties, installation only on a Boeing 747.
From foreign materials. Assessment of Long Range Laser Weapon Enga
gems: The Case of the Airborne Laser.
Jan Stupl and Goetz NeuneckScience and Global Security, 2010, Volume 18, pp. 160

[Aksakal_07]

So for them in the first place is the promotion (promotion) of the project in order to cut down more money on military orders.

[adept666]

Lockheed Martin is not the one that the successful Fu35 was honored ...

They are the most

[Mama_Cholli]

Star wars in the Earth’s atmosphere begin ... The death star is on its way ...

[vorobey]

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Star wars in the Earth’s atmosphere begin ... The death star is on its way ...

Oh mom cholly .. what is life ... it's a long jump from ... to the grave. one fix end is inevitable ..

I also had a friend who invented a combat laser ... threw glasses on a surprise ... Octavia was put out by the whole collective farm ..

[Mama_Cholli]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: Mama_Cholli

Star wars in the Earth’s atmosphere begin ... The death star is on its way ...

Oh mom cholly .. what is life ... it's a long jump from ... to the grave. one fix end is inevitable ..

I also had a friend who invented a combat laser ... threw glasses on a surprise ... Octavia was put out by the whole collective farm ..

This would not have happened with the old UAZ, there the torpedo was almost cast-iron ...

pisi:
I know about the long jump ... Moreover, Klitschko suggested that all Ukrainians prepare for the land.
I myself feel that I'm flying, it's time to pull the ring to slow down. Only a little point, I didn’t fold the parachute ....

[science fiction writer]

Yesterday, Israel, today, the United States broke loose with these losers,
who are you trying to catch on horror ?????

[venaya]

Quote: fiction

Yesterday, Israel, today, the United States broke the chain with these losers, are you trying to catch up with something terrible ?????

So the need compels. It is necessary not only to create analogues, but first of all to find real methods of counteracting the attacks of the alleged enemy. Something seems to me that this is more important now.

[Andrea]

Rather, an attempt to direct the enemy along the wrong path of research, load heads and divert funds into a futile project.

[science fiction writer]

but first of all, find real methods of counteracting the attacks of the alleged enemy

MIRROR

[Vladimyrych]

... While fools live in the world, To deceive us, therefore, with our hands ...
Cut the military budget forever!

[Mainbeam]

What about the battery?
A beautiful picture was drawn with a drone, but is there enough carrying capacity?

[paxil]

Quote: MainBeam

What about the battery?
A beautiful picture was drawn with a drone, but is there enough carrying capacity?

Well, in a drone a nuclear reactor

[GDP]

in a heavy eight-wheeled truck, the Americans managed to push the 10 kW battery to the laser ...
in August of 2015, it was somehow finally possible to burn the 1 drone out of it. True installation fired not in motion and in good weather.
Claimed range 1,5-2 km
So think about how such a miracle the size of a railway car should be hung from a drone and what will be the effectiveness if successful ...

by the way I don’t know exactly how this Hal is, and the predecessor of this truck cost the states in 400 000 000 $ - 1pcs.
in my opinion a little expensive for the infernal destroyer of drones ....

[tforik]

400 million tanks is not a truck, but a reserve in technologies that can lead to a breakthrough or cost-effective technologies. Remember the cut when the Internet was invented? Also the military network was ..
.
And about the capacities of electric energy, technologies are also developing. For example, the project of Tesla cars Ilona Mask. ICE will die soon campaign))
Yes, and no one canceled the capacitors, they are cheap and can give out tremendous power for a short time. That is enough for a serial laser gun. Time will tell)

[Colonel]

Quote: tforik

Yes, and no one canceled the capacitors

This is exactly the same as charging them. And with the laser they have the same crap as with the exoskeleton. Everything works, only the power cable is asked not to show.

[sharp-lad]

Because it is tied to the generator!

[tforik]

Yes, fun with the wire))
Installation on ships is possible, there can be any mass (energy).

[paxil]

Damn s such dreamers Yeshkin cat It’s unclear what they themselves swell in. They themselves don’t know how it will work.

[Kos_kalinki9]

Quote: paxil

Damn s such dreamers Yeshkin cat It’s unclear what they themselves swell in. They themselves don’t know how it will work.

Well, why clung to the Americans. they know their job tightly

[horoh]

What is this, another scam on the headstock?

[VladimS]

Quote: Fenix-15

What kind of sawmill, however, is being prepared if they talk about the 6-e generation of fighters, when they still did not figure it out with the 5-m.

Yes, reading this .. our involved., Probably came out with saliva, poor fellows! :-)

[Andrea]

The thing is not credible. Fog, dust, just dirty air significantly (many times) reduce the energy of the beam.
New-well-forgotten old. In the USSR, they tried to put experimental combat lasers on ships because of the bulkiness and consumption of a huge amount of energy. Then they upgraded to a cargo plane, but did not get satisfactory results.
What do the Yankees offer this time? Another throw of desa?

[A1L9E4K9S]

However, if shooting is carried out at the heading of the flight, the laser power is not dissipated. ”

Yeah, and the targets will hang and wait for them to aim.

[venaya]

Quote: A1L9E4K9S

However, if shooting is carried out at the heading of the flight, the laser power is not dissipated. ”
Yeah, and the targets will hang and wait for them to aim.

There are options here. It is not necessary to aim all the time, it is possible to shower with a laser beam, so to speak, in the "non-stop" mode. "What a new day is preparing for us ...". Is this reality or horror stories? Wait and see.

[Andrea]

Nonsense! You will have to drag an atomic reactor with you to water, but you can tweet quickly and quickly, this is real, but I wrote above that this is a futile direction for many reasons.

[venaya]

Quote: Andrea

You can tweet quickly, quickly, it’s real, but I wrote above that this is a futile direction for many reasons.

Previously, I would completely agree with you, but as time goes on, new opportunities arise and new solutions follow. "you can tweet quickly"- you can, but you can do it more than once, but do it with a certain period of time. But how many opportunities open up, how can you take everything into account?

[sharp-lad]

Time passes, here you are right, but even with the passage of time the laws of physics do not change. Do you know that a laser beam, starting with a certain energy density, begins to jam itself?

[gridasov]

Or maybe he is transforming into a new state?

[sharp-lad]

So now everything is "poured" with laser beams from range finders, target illumination, fire spotters and the like! They just hit the target with something else. Atmospheric interference of natural and artificial origin reduces all the advantages of laser weapons to practically zero, leaving only the possibility of blinding the optics and eyes of the enemy.

[Boa kaa]

Experienced ... And what was shot down? The beam is scattered, the power is still not enough ... And there too - CANNON! Maybe more modest: - "prototyp" guns, well, "installation" ... And then: "Cannon-Cannon". You are my enchanted, sub-American!

[gridasov]

And what? Basic technologies mastered, and add email. magnetic induction coils on a spin pulse and the beam will not be scattered.

[viktorrymar]

Today is a straight day of laser weapons, then Jews, then Americans .... Fantasy Day ....

[venaya]

Adaptive Optical Beam Control (ABC)

Well, at last the publications began, revealing the nuances of technical realizations of real combat laser devices. Now komenty can be closer to realities.

[Mainbeam]

I wonder why a combat laser is needed? What can a laser do that a six-barrel self-tapping screw or a rocket cannot be launched at 400 km? Drones shoot down? Fighter aircraft during maneuvering air combat? Cruise missiles at an altitude of 100 meters above the ground? How long does it take to keep the laser on the object of destruction; how much does it take to fly behind an object at the same speed? Does turbulence caused by the target itself reduce the effectiveness of the lesion?

What for? (cut in the answer not to offer)

.

[venaya]

Quote: MainBeam

What such a laser can do ... shoot down drones? Fighter aircraft during maneuvering air combat? Rocket wings at a height of 100 meters above the ground? How long does it take to keep the laser at the destruction facility; how much does it take to fly behind an object at the same speed?

"how much does it take to fly behind an object at the same speed?"- you can even fly in the opposite direction, it's not a problem."How long does it take to keep the laser on the object of destruction"- until the moment of defeat comes. In principle, it may not come, but it's worth a try. But about drones - so in my opinion, the most real object for confident destruction. Let's wait, let's see what the coming day has in store for us.

[venaya]

Quote: MainBeam

at heading courses at transonic speed

During test flights of an aviation combat laser, it turned out that turbulent flows arising at transonic flight speeds disrupt the focusing of the laser beam, which leads to power dissipation, the message says. - However, if shooting is carried out at the heading of the flight, the laser power is not dissipated

Maybe we’ll try to read more closely. Tests are underway, the intermediate results are seriously considered, not understanding the essence of what is happening, clearly not worth it. It seems that one and the same article can be understood in completely opposite senses, it all depends on the individual practice of the reader.

[venaya]

Quote: MainBeam

In the opposite direction - is it not on a collision course or what? If with distance from each other, then there is generally a problem with the distance, and, accordingly, with the effectiveness of the use of "death rays". The questions were not about the article, but about the necessity, expediency and prospects of using a combat laser to the person who wrote:

1. As for efficiency, in this case, one should agree, but only with the installation parameters described in this article, and not at all.
2. In general, about the prospects? I try to write about this. Maybe something I know about the prospects, I had to argue for a long time. The question is decided here, on this site, apparently without prospects, I consider it possible only to express my own, personal opinion. My personal opinion is that people who have not studied this question deeply are able to consider this question too superficially, I noticed this in personal practice. I am more concerned with the question of how exactly the use of radiation weapons is possible, the problems of tactics of application and the economic efficiency of this application. It takes a long time to think and discuss, but only with interested parties, I think you will agree with me on this.

[gridasov]

You can talk a lot, but it is unlikely to be useful. Because the fundamental ideology is based on the ideology of creating the elemental base of the last century. There are few people who are generally able to understand that the potential of future generators and accumulators of energy is inherent in its density in space. And then the conversation begins. Or someone offers ideas, and the rest begin to blaspheme him. Or just again endless conversations.
First, it’s worth understanding what a ray of light is. And why in the atmosphere of the Earth it has some properties, but in space are different.

[sharp-lad]

There is no need to take various corrections, in other words - where you aimed, there you hit. But only in space, far from massive stars and black "holes"!

[Mainbeam]

Quote: sharp-lad

simply put - where I aimed, I got there.

Clear and understandable. Thank.

However, the question remains about the power of the beam. That is, the beam must instantly destroy the structure, because long-term guidance to one point is unlikely. The destruction time is determined by the pulse power. If the beam is wide and does not need to be kept for a long time at one infinitesimal point, then again due to power.

[Tusv]

About this popmek wrote about five to seven years ago. And they also successfully passed the tests. It turns out this test is successful more successful?

[Gor-1974]

Well, everyone has prepared for the coming to the world of artificial intelligence, it remains only to track down Sarah Connor. (Based on the terminator) It's time for us to test seismic weapons. (based on San Andreas Rift)

[Tusv]

Quote: Gor-1974

It's time for us to test seismic weapons. (based on San Andreas Rift)

Well it already was. Fifty nuclear torpedoes were sent to California during the Caribbean crisis. Bam and in a few seconds a quarter of the Stalin Strait was built

[Furious bambr]

Star Wars 8: Revenge of the Psychos

[Vasyan1971]

That is, they will only fight in clear, cloudless weather against a balloon tied with four ropes?
Your Pentagon is wonderful!

[pvv113]

New technology developed by order of the Pentagon

I came across an article that this project was developed on the basis of documents stolen from us in the 90s.

[Tusv]

Quote: pvv113

based on documents stolen from us in the 90s.

Why stolen? The Americans honestly bought the manual. For a penny, but honestly

[voyaka uh]

Original article:
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/news/press-releases/2015/october/space-lase-dar
pa.html

This is still a prototype on a test jet laboratory airplane (top photo on VO).
They were interested in how to direct a laser at near-sound speeds.

[Tusv]

Quote: voyaka uh

They were interested in how to direct a laser at near-sound speeds.

Again, a dirty trick is being prepared with a Malaysian Boeing probably. For we have subsonic MLRS da Pinocchio. The rest seems to be from 2 max and higher

[Alex Nick]

Quote: Vasyan1971

That is, they will only fight in clear, cloudless weather against a balloon tied with four ropes?
Your Pentagon is wonderful!

And in the fog will be a truce.

[tomket]

loot is a relative thing, especially for Americans

[Vadim12]

It can even be used against drones, and not spend an air-to-air missile on them when meeting. In Syria, for example.

[NDR-791]

Why is it so complicated? Enough GSH-30!

[NDR-791]

“During test flights of an aviation combat laser, it turned out that turbulent flows occurring at transonic flight speeds violate the focusing of the laser beam, which leads to power dissipation,” the report states. “However, if the shooting is at flight, the laser power is not dissipated.”

The developers note that "the adaptive ABC system will allow the use of powerful combat lasers on advanced sixth generation fighters."
Here is such a garbage! Two paragraphs next to each other are absolutely contradictory. The craftsmen have not yet flown the F-35 properly, but already confidently about the sixth generation armament ... And if he puts this economy on the predator, it is too expensive for a war with the dukanists, because it is only against them and is effective, but give us something harder. It looks like the topic is closed and declassified. for us an analogue of "spooki" with even the most recent laser model is just a good target.

[Uzer 13.]

Every six months, an article about testing such a laser is regularly published in the press. All that remains is to make a parabolic mirror and stock up on sulfur fuel, that’s the finished hyperboloid. What difference does it make to inhale people, the American people are illegible in nuances. How interesting, the beam focusing device works without feedback, borrowed the idea of ​​a flashlight?

[alex-defensor]

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[niki233]

Why drag this stuff here? nothing more to write about?

[V0l0dimir]

Surely this super weapon is designed to bring down air defense condoms from ISIS stuffed with explosives.

[Tusv]

Quote: niki233

Why drag this stuff here? nothing more to write about?

Well so Caliber was tested in public, what will happen if they test the X one hundred and second? Immediately 14 missile missiles will pass successful tests (the popmech also wrote about this 7 years ago). They say that in the third second the rocket goes into another dimension and from there attacks a hundred times more powerful than the Tungu meteorite.

[mamont5]

Quote: Fenix-15

What kind of sawmill, however, is being prepared if they talk about the 6-e generation of fighters, when they still did not figure it out with the 5-m.

It is in this breakthrough that the US military budget goes. Yes, even for the maintenance of military bases.

[Sergey-8848]

Tested - got the result.
We felt well done.
This was reported to all of us and to the owners.
What for us to know about this worthless test?
This is a question.
And here is the answer - it is necessary to show the exhaust, otherwise they will say that in vain we are eating dollars.
Suddenly they won’t.
Here is the result of all tests and messages.

[misterwulf]

How scary to live! And when will the laser sword be?

[Aleksey_K]

The first picture shows some sort of civilian airliner in general, and it’s not possible to test a laser on this one.
The second picture shows a solid photoshop.
In the third picture - this is an old photo.
Where is the laser test evidence?

[Mercury]

I’ve painted my geese with mirror paint now they already have 6 generations !!! Their mattress plane with a laser does not take !!!

[Observer2014]

I’ve painted my geese with mirror paint now they already have 6 generations !!! Their mattress plane with a laser does not take !!!
Ha ha ha and the turtles in the lake near the house did not stick a mirror !?

[Anchonsha]

The United States, as a driven animal, can do even more vile things in the world. In addition, this vile country has great financial opportunities, many bribed bastards work for this country, and therefore you do not need to be euphoric from our current successes

[Mercury]

Turtles are also armor! All in alertness mustache painted photo I will not send. Secret for now. But the geese have two grenades on the neck

[Cananecat]

In the early 2000s, I read a short article in the press, which considered the options for using combat lasers. It also said that at the end of the 80s, a stationary combat laser had already been created in the Union, with which they even managed to shoot down a missile during testing ... but work with the collapse of the Union and the subsequent cessation of funding was curtailed. If then our specialists let the Yankes go in the "right" direction, then I I take off my hat for a worthy response to the SOI program

[Igor Olegovich]

In Russia, space lasers were tested under Gorbachev. Only under Yeltsin was the project stolen.

[Dimon19661]

Hmm .... Americans, of course, are stupid ... We are the very ones ... But it’s nothing-that Americans are intensively working out the technology of using laser weapons and already have good results, well, yes, they are stupid, and now they’ll start on new ships there are only two types of railguns and fifth-generation fighters in service. But what about almost all technologies, we are stupidly lagging behind, what’s this? Do we just have electronic industry and do we buy components mainly in China and Hong Kong? not the best examples are civilian vulnerable products. We only have technology ahead of the planet, throwing caps. You compare our military budget and the US budget, add the NATO budget, the Middle East is nearby, they also spend a lot of money, and China doesn’t And they all try to develop something new. Any test does not immediately give the desired result, but in the process a quite acceptable result gradually appears. Many also did not believe in the atomic bomb, and then they intensely caught up yali. In general, we don’t need to make idiots out of mattresses, we need to raise our own industry, then we will have the strength and resources for such tests.

[YaMZ-238]

What gun is there? Which laser? Only in films is it possible for them to turn into blue avatars, godsiles walk around the city .... FANTASERS !!!

[Watchdog]

we will have rockets with a mirror coating

[yuriy55]

Yes-ah-ah !!! Oh, these American masters of "casting guns" ...