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Tricky comments. What do you tell about Russian problems, Mr. Poroshenko?

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Here news - All news news. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko signed a decree "On the Center for the Study of Problems of the Russian Federation." Not problems associated with Russia, namely the problems of Russia.


Of course, I would just like to ask a question like “What, are there not enough problems of my own?”, But that would be very simple. And if we are in one degree or another viewers in this theater of the absurd, then we will follow the rules adopted in the theater.

Of course, the creation of such a center in a normal person will not cause anything except homeric laughter. But, having laughed in abundance, let us nevertheless reasonably approach this issue. And think about who and why took this action.

The center is formed as part of the National Institute for Strategic Studies as an independent structural unit in order to systematically analyze problematic issues in relations with the Russian Federation, to develop proposals for ensuring the national interests of Ukraine.

Independent structural unit! Oh how! That is a lot of people who will receive salaries (and probably rather big ones) and work. Well, the creation of new jobs in a country where the economy is not very good is a good thing. The only question is expediency and usefulness. But look further.

System analysis and development of proposals - it sounds weighty. However, I would like more detail from this place. Commenting on the creation of the Center, the Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration Konstantin Yeliseyev noted that the main objective of the Center’s activities will be scientific and analytical research and applied research on current problems of interaction with the Russian Federation.

Not a bad idea. What is true, and where are going to put the scientific and analytical developers, it is not clear. But the fact that there are problems with the interaction of Ukraine with Russia is indisputable. Only for some reason, the problems mainly come from Ukraine. Apparently, you need to get to the truth from a scientific point of view.

Mr. Yeliseyev was so kind that he explained what problems the institute would consider in the first place.

"Russia's military aggression against Ukraine, in particular the annexation of the Crimea and the hybrid war in the Donbas, disturbing internal processes within Russian society, recent Russian actions in the international arena, which cause deep concern to the entire civilized world, prospects and forecasts for Russia's economic development, ways to promote democratic trends in the country, ensuring the interests of Ukrainians in Russia - all these issues require careful professional analysis and will be the focus of the Center’s activities of the Russian Federation "problems.

All clear? In my opinion, everything. Where it was written is clear from the text. Apparently, Kerry sent by e-mail. Together with the money from some secret fund to create an institution. But everything fell into place.

In principle, it was possible to begin and end with the first point - the military aggression of Russia against Ukraine. Because the institute forces cannot solve this problem unequivocally. Something like Fermat's theorem: there are special cases (like a leaky piece from the bus), but there is no proof. But over this problem, the proofs (of both the theorem and the aggression of Russia) can be sat for years, eating the selected hryvnia, but there will be no sense.

But what is of interest is the “disturbing internal processes within Russian society”.

I wonder what this is about? About Putin's rating? Or that the whole idea of ​​sanctions turned into a global scale? Or worried about the lack of crowds on the Maidan of Russian cities that require a different path of development of Russia? So it seems that the Russians are satisfied with everything, and who are not satisfied, so, firstly, they are scanty few, and secondly, nobody has canceled the self-preservation instinct.

"The recent actions of the Russian Federation in the international arena, which cause deep concern of the entire civilized world."

And who is so concerned about us? The whole world? Probably not. Of course, if the whole world is the United States, the United Kingdom and the Balts, then I agree. But the fact is that the whole world is a somewhat broader concept than the map of Ukraine. And in that, the real world, not everyone wants to cheerfully chew cookies and ride to the bandura. Or banjo.

"Ways to promote democratic trends in the country."

Ways Assist. Of Ukraine. Democratic trends in Russia.

It is very difficult to realize and understand. Indeed, one must be an employee of such an institution. Analytical and applied. And analytically, "attach it to the nose," in accordance with Russian proverb, to at least understand something.

This import Maidan, or what? So it seemed to have tried, it turned out that "ne Treba". Or waste heaps under Dnepropetrovsk for dissidents have already ended, and need a new space? Absolutely incomprehensible.

There is an opinion that all this mess is nothing but the legalization of the “Censor”, nothing more. To sit, you know, and dealt with their business legally. Nothing more comes to mind. And those censors, they are all aware of our problems. And through one they know how to solve them. Something like that...

There are no problems in Russia that Ukraine can solve. Well, except for the implementation of the Minsk agreements and timely payment for energy. All the rest, alas, is not solved, at least ten institutions are created. Everything else we are able to decide for yourself. Without help from there. We were already reminded at the end of the last century. Thank.

Another question is that someone learns from the mistakes of others, and someone on their own. But it turns out that there are those who do not want to learn at all. Well, success in analyzing our problems. If you do something sensible, we will be grateful. We Russians are like that. Thanks to say we can.

But generally, at first they would solve their own problems, honestly, it would be wiser and more benefits.
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  1. EGOrkka
    EGOrkka 27 October 2015 06: 14 New
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    ... the photos are simple ... the spilled Parashnya .... and how nice ...... the parashenko in .... the parashka ..... laughing
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 27 October 2015 07: 18 New
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      Who shot down a Boeing over Novorossiya? (taken from Echo of Moscow)

      1. MOTIV

      Dill is completely absent. They shot down the liner just like that, because they like to eat children - a version for the madhouse.

      The motive was only among the DNR militia. In the days when they daily bragged about how they shot down the Ukrainian Air Force planes. That liner was shot down by mistake. Waited for An-26, got into a Boeing. And even managed to declare a “victory” for the whole world - the famous post of I. Strelkov:




      2. SUSPECTIVE ACTIVITY OF THE RUSSIAN MEDIA

      Now, after the Almaz-Antey field experiments, as if there had never been Leontyev with his pilot Voloshin, there were no ridiculous pictures with the 800 meter Boeing on the background of Google maps of the 2012 of the year.

      Why drove this nonsense on the main news channels? What was the goal of the Russian media? Did the one who ordered such stories know something? And he tried by any means to make public opinion go the wrong way.

      If this is NOT SO - why did Leontiev talk about “witnesses at the airport” and pilot Voloshin in prime there?

      The Almaz-Antey experiment proved that it did not need a discussion - the Boeing was shot down by Buk. Now it remains to rub that Buk was not ours. And whose? Dill did not need to use air defense - the militia did not have aviation. Air defense used only DNI / LC. Fact? Fact.

      They say that there was no sign of a missile launch. There was a trace, if only because Almaz-Antey proved that the Boeing was shot down by Buk. If you go to Yandex - it turns out that even photos of this trace are, dozens of witnesses. They simply were not shown on the main channels, otherwise how would Leontyev explain that Boeing was shot down by pilot Voloshin?

      Declare photos fakes - this will not change the results of the Almaz-Antey experiments. There was Beech, then there was a trace.

      Failure of the Russian Federation on the international tribunal for Boeing. What for? If we have all the “irrefutable evidence”, what a good chance to show the whole world what the Kiev junta represents?

      No, they say there will be no tribunal. In any case, they will declare us guilty. Of course they will announce - after all, Buk was Russian. All facts indicate this. And not a single fact proves the opposite.
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      2. qQQQ
        qQQQ 27 October 2015 09: 04 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The motive was only among the DNR militia

        In Ukraine, the motive was more serious, such a provocation, if it had not been done through ... opu, immediately transferred the militia to the category of terrorists. Although my point of view, based on the personal experience of the service, conversations with the military, was an accidental launch during training Ukrainian. military, because they were preparing to reflect the aggression of Russia.

        The experiment proved that if the shooting down happened by Buk, then the launch was from Ukrainian territory, and all other versions are by no means canceled out. About the need to use air defense systems by Ukraine, see above, again, you all the time "fought" with Russia, and we have planes, that's the reason for the presence of Ukrainian Bucks there.

        Well, about the photo and video, you can not tell the Censor rules. Yes, and Leontiev is just a journalist, in my opinion so-so, and he probably did not refuse to earn a rating on this business. The tribunal is a theater of absurdity, what kind of court is, when the wreckage was still in the air, and the "world community" had already declared the culprit.
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 27 October 2015 09: 16 New
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          Quote: qqqq
          In Ukraine, the motive was more serious, such a provocation

          such "provocations" are only in the fantasy world
          it is much easier to explain a downed Boeing by a meteorite hit

          the militia from the first day was considered terrorists, and did not need to be discredited before the United States and Europe. Especially in such a strange and extremely risky way
          Quote: qqqq
          The experiment proved that if the shooting occurred by Buk, then the launch was from Ukrainian territory,

          No

          the experiment showed that it was Buk’s air defense system, and not the mythical Su-25 Air Force of Ukraine, about which Kiselev and Leontiev spoke so much
          whose air defense system was not yet officially recognized, although it’s all so obvious
          Quote: qqqq
          when the wreckage was still in the air, and the "world community" had already declared the culprit.

          So the guilty himself admitted
          even before it turned out that a passenger airliner was shot down

          "In the area of ​​Torez, an An-26 plane has just been shot down, lying somewhere behind the Progress mine. They warned us not to fly in "our sky". And here is a video confirmation of the next "birdfall". The bird fell over the waste heap, did not catch the residential sector. Peaceful people were not hurt. And also there is information about the second downed plane, like Su, "- said in the message of Strelkov.
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          2. qQQQ
            qQQQ 27 October 2015 10: 50 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            such "provocations" are only in the fantasy world

            I reiterate that Ukraine had much more reasons to shoot down a Boeing than the militia. The DNR had none at all but to protect their lives and their loved ones from the bombing, but who sent the civilian plane to the area of ​​operation of combat aircraft and air defense systems, the answer is obvious and known. The militia was considered terrorists, only a brain-inflamed Ukrainian. politicians and the zombie minority of the population of Ukraine. In the experiment, everyone saw what they wanted, but in fact it was a demonstration that the Buk missile (if it was) could not be launched from the Snezhnoye area and be a modification of the M1. So, whose Buk it was really obvious to everyone, but for you I’ll clarify Ukraine. As for the aircraft, the version with Buk does not cancel it at all, as an option: to see where the missile launched by the military went, maybe, in order not to leave witnesses, to finish off, there were simply sorties in that area. And again, no one recognized Leontiev’s version as official, it still remained a version that for some reason Ukraine is very afraid to refute: it hides witnesses, claims that there were no flights, did not provide a record of military controllers. Well, regarding Strelkov’s reports, once again, there is a civil war, aircraft are bombing, air defense is working against it, anything that has fallen from the sky is immediately declared to be its victory, and the other side is refuted, this is propaganda.
          3. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 27 October 2015 12: 01 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            No

            the experiment showed that it was Buk’s air defense system, and not the mythical Su-25 Air Force of Ukraine, about which Kiselev and Leontiev spoke so much
            whose air defense system was not yet officially recognized, although it’s all so obvious

            Do you, my dear, apparently have some kind of report? Watch the video of the experiment, and most importantly, listen to the sound sequence, if, of course, the driver for the sound did not fly off, and also read the report of the Dutch, especially regarding the involvement of Russia. Well, reboot your brain. Who is it "obvious" to "Echo Matzah" or the US State Department? Don't be bullshit. Sincerely.
          4. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad 27 October 2015 13: 28 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            such "provocations" are only in the fantasy world
            it is much easier to explain a downed Boeing by a meteorite hit

            the militia from the first day was considered terrorists, and did not need to be discredited before the United States and Europe. Especially in such a strange and extremely risky way

            Remember the provocation with a South Korean airliner shot down over the Far East. You know a lot, including the heart-rending screech that began when the unfortunate plane still did not manage to fall. Here you have the elven fantasy.
            This act of terrorism on the part of the Kiev regime was needed not to discredit the militias, but for the next wave of anti-terrorist operation and so that the pampered western citizens did not pay attention to the barbaric bombing of the civilian population and the atrocities of the Ukrainian armed forces and natsibatalon.
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            whose air defense system was not yet officially recognized, although it’s all so obvious

            Of course, it is obvious - Ukrainian air defense, they are not accustomed to shooting down peaceful airliners, remember the monstrous crime they committed over the Black Sea (or have they already lost their memory?) And for those who already had their brains completely swollen with svidomo, the militia did not have the entire Buk complex, but it, excuse me, consists not only of one launcher, as the junta media are trying to snatch us.
          5. Imperialkolorad
            Imperialkolorad 27 October 2015 13: 31 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            there is also information about the second downed plane, like Su, "- said in the message of Strelkov.

            Do you still have a brain? Strelkov confused drying and a liner for 300 passengers - this is not even funny. Moreover, there is a very densely populated land and news of the monstrous tragedy spread instantly there.
            1. svd-xnumx
              svd-xnumx 27 October 2015 19: 34 New
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              Do you still have a brain? Strelkov confused drying and a liner for 300 passengers - this is not even funny.
              And one more fact must be taken into account, Strelkov since the days of the defense of Slavyansk has stated that he does not write anything on any social networks.
              1. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 27 October 2015 23: 19 New
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                Quote: svd-xnumx
                And one more fact must be taken into account, Strelkov since the days of the defense of Slavyansk has stated that he does not write anything on any social networks.

                His so-called report was led by someone Prosvirnin, I recommend to google, a rare ̶s̶v̶o̶l̶o̶ch̶ entertaining personality. Sincerely.
          6. Serg4545
            Serg4545 27 October 2015 13: 32 New
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            \ So the guilty admitted himself \

            Have you ever read what you copy?
            The person (Strelkov) personally did not bring down anything; he did not see the plane crash. So it simply refers to some rumors. At any trial, a person who himself did not see anything but was telling from other people's words was simply not allowed to testify.

            And let's imagine this situation:
            They are fighting. One hmyr invites a group of civilians on a camping trip, collects money from them and sends them to a minefield, knowing full well that the death of someone from the group is a matter of time (and chance).
            Does it make sense to look for the one who installed the mine on which the civilians explode? After all, the miners are not to blame, but the bloke is to blame.
            So it is with Ukraine. They took money from airlines and sent airliners to the area of ​​intense military operations. In this area, planes and helicopters were shot down almost daily.
            Excuses, such as we thought that the militia did not have high-altitude anti-aircraft guns, are not serious.
            First: modern air defense systems were at least one of the belligerents (Ukraine).
            Secondly: the civilian side could go down for technical reasons (depressurization, problems with the engine, etc., etc.) And after that he could be threatened with anything, up to the shooting range.
            So it turns out that Donbass is a minefield and it was only a matter of time and the case when the liner was filled up there.
            And who is the bloke who sent civilians to the minefield and took money from them for this?
          7. iConst
            iConst 27 October 2015 14: 03 New
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            People do not boil SWEET_SIXTEEN This is a former clandestine ukrotroll, which was ordered to start work.

            That's all. To argue with the troll and prove something - do not respect yourself. laughing

            Olezhek, are you paid in hryvnas or what? laughing

            Or maybe in tetradrachms?
            1. Imperialkolorad
              Imperialkolorad 28 October 2015 23: 14 New
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              Quote: iConst
              Or maybe in tetradrachms?

              In silver pieces.
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          9. Sergey Medvedev
            Sergey Medvedev 27 October 2015 17: 43 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            the militia from the first day was considered terrorists, and did not need to be discredited


            Who was considered? Kiev junta? So it is clear that they do not need evidence. But in fact, no one to the Novorossiysk has sent any attacks. Only now they are trying actively, you in particular.
          10. ioann1
            ioann1 28 October 2015 02: 25 New
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            If you want to believe in nonsense, say anything that wasn’t, but with pathos, and people really like secrets. Especially if these secrets are nonsense.
          11. Alexy
            Alexy 28 October 2015 03: 54 New
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            You dear, the site was not mistaken, by chance? Go to your favorite censor, or at least your echo.
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      3. Altona
        Altona 27 October 2015 09: 06 New
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        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Who shot down a Boeing over Novorossiya? (taken from Echo of Moscow)

        1. MOTIV

        Dill is completely absent. They shot down the liner just like that, because they like to eat children - a version for the madhouse.

        The motive was only among the DNR militias. In the days when they daily bragged about how they shot down the Ukrainian Air Force planes. That liner was shot down by mistake. Waited for the An-26, got into a Boeing. And even managed to declare a “victory” for the whole world - the famous post of I. Strelkov:

        -----------------------------
        Aha, the militia Vasya Pupkin shmalnul from MANPADS with a radius of defeat at a height of 2 km on a liner going in the echelon of 8000-10000 meters ... Isn’t it funny? Then Vanya Kuralesov drove up with a launcher, without a radar, without a control car, without communication with any control gear or control room for aircraft wiring and Putin’s call pressed the right button at the right time, knocking down the liner direct fire ... The medal must be given to the gunner for a sniper shot, and also a rusty rocket of the 1983 model, with striking elements in the form of a rhombus ...
        1. Horn
          Horn 29 October 2015 11: 48 New
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          No, well, why "direct fire"? Avakov's eagles captured the same Russian army serviceman with a VUS "spotter of the Buk air defense missile system! This was not long before the nuclear strike on the Donetsk airport.
          Z.Y. Only now I don’t remember how this spotter flew: himself, or in a balloon?
          On the airside
          Introducing the Headquarters,
          Swim quietly in the fog
          Butenop and Glazenap ...
          (Old Soldier Song) (C)
      4. Victor-M
        Victor-M 27 October 2015 09: 19 New
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        Dill is completely absent. They shot down the liner just like that, because they like to eat children - madhouse version.

        Do you consider present-day Ukraine a normal country? Although there is nothing to be surprised at, what an abnormal person would say that he is not crazy, rather, on the contrary, he will prove the opposite, accompanying his evidence with inappropriate actions, which we are now observing. Are you yourself, by any chance, not from the same Ukrainian sharashka that you are trying to otmazatsya from your own, still warm Ukrainian bowel movement, into which they themselves have gotten stuck?
        Where are the negotiations between the Ukrainian dispatchers and the pilots of the downed Boeing?
        Why didn’t they block the skies for civilian aircraft flying over the conflict zone?
        Where is the evidence at all that Boeing was shot down by militias who did not have such air defense systems like Buk, and banderlogs have them.
        Declare photos as fakes - this will not change the results of the Almaz-Antey experiments. There was Beech, then there was a trace.

        Whose beech was that?
        1. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe 27 October 2015 09: 39 New
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          Quote: Victor-M
          which have no such air defense systems as Buk

          DNR has an air defense shield



          On June 29, information began to arrive from Donetsk that soldiers of the special forces of the army of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic occupied the territory of military unit A-1402. The Air Defense Regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stationed there performs the task of protecting the eastern borders of the state and protecting important industrial centers of Donbass from an air attack.

          The units are armed with powerful air defense systems, which include the 9X18 M1 Kupol mobile three-coordinate radar stations and Buk self-propelled anti-aircraft missile systems.
          The press service of the DPR to Russian news agencies confirmed this information. It was also reported that the Donetsk anti-aircraft missile regiment was formed in the village of Alekseyevka, Belgorod-Dniester region, Odessa region. However, in 2007, a part was relocated to Donetsk. She became the main air defense shield of the entire Donbass. Suffice it to say that the Kupol radar has a target detection range of up to 160 km. And the Buk air defense system can hit any aircraft at ranges up to 30 km. So the modern air defense system in the east of the country, until recently operating in the interests of the Ukrainian army, was transferred to the disposal of the DPR self-defense forces.

          And yesterday, the representative of the information center of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Andriy Lysenko also confirmed the capture of the anti-aircraft missile regiment. He noted: “There is information that a part was occupied in Donetsk, the personnel were not injured. By the decision of the commander, all equipment was disabled and did not work, the militants only had territory. They are also occupied by the headquarters of the air defense unit. ”

          Meanwhile, the press officer of the Ukrainian military operation, Aleksey Dmitrashkovsky, told Ukrainian Truth: “As a result of a short battle, the attackers managed to capture some of the soldiers ... The rest of the military took up defense, protecting the parade ground, the dining room and the premises where the material support is located.” According to the officer, the militia captured two trucks and one Buk air defense system.

          In general, the likelihood that the sky over Donetsk will now be protected from raids by Ukrainian aviation is quite high. And at least the transition of the anti-aircraft missile regiment to the control of the militias actually deprived part of the Ukrainian army of such protection from an air attack, from whatever side it took place. After all, the headquarters and the entire system of air defense control in the Donbass are now in the hands of the self-defense forces.

          - news from 29 June 2014 year
          Malaysian Boeing will be shot down in three weeks
          1. EGOrkka
            EGOrkka 27 October 2015 10: 32 New
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            ..... and I read a lot of posts that the DPR had .... "iskandery" .... so what ????? by the way, and "armata" "whistling" tyshy ..... smashed to shreds .... and where are they ??? .... even a liar parashnya and then claimed that the Russian troops in the DNR-200 thousand !!!!!. ... you need to "treat" the head ... up to the ears. hi
            1. bondarencko
              bondarencko 31 October 2015 01: 16 New
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              And there is something to treat "ukrodov"?
          2. Jaros81
            Jaros81 27 October 2015 11: 12 New
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            Shot down and shot down. No matter who. I don't give a damn. Could there be a mistake? could be. Who is to blame for the downing of a Boeing? The one who brought him into the war zone, and these were the Ukrainians. I have a number of questions. Why didn’t they question the dispatchers, why didn’t they provide the recording of the negotiations, why didn’t they cordon off the area, why didn’t they collect all the details from the damaged Boeing, why didn’t they check all the BUK installations, both from the militia and from the Armed Forces? Why was the Boeing crash investigation in violation? why wasn’t any data provided by the Dutch commission, including the decryption of the black boxes, why weren’t samples of the damaging elements provided? Many more why.
            1. bondarencko
              bondarencko 31 October 2015 01: 19 New
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              Well, first of all - Why did you change the level and direction of flight?
          3. fyvaprold
            fyvaprold 27 October 2015 12: 25 New
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            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            DNR has an air defense shield

            Do not share a reference, preferably with photographs of the militia against the background of ̶к̶ов̶р̶а "Buk". The LDNR loved such photo sessions against the backdrop of trophies, ranging from the "wrung out" UAZ and ending with a tank wrecked to shreds, and against the background of the "captured" Buk ", for sure everyone would be photographed, starting with Strelkov and ending with Vasya Pupkin. Sincerely.
            PS:You just don’t like Russia, or are you really incapable of perceiving information from the primary source, not previously processed by "experts" a la Latynin and your comrades?
            1. boris-1230
              boris-1230 27 October 2015 16: 04 New
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              PS: You just don’t like Russia, or are you really incapable of perceiving information from the original source, not previously processed by "experts" a la Latynin and your comrades?

              Why does the troll have a homeland? He will bring the mother to the panel for virgin! fool
          4. shonsu
            shonsu 27 October 2015 12: 28 New
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            Yes, I remember, it was infa that the militia captured 1 beech. and it was reported that the car was damaged. but the "beech" is a complex technique, and by itself it cannot aim and lock the target. but about the social "dome" did not write that it was captured. so even if the beech was repaired and even a specialist was found who understands it, she still could not shoot.
            about the motive. A Boeing was shot down just in that week when the Council of Europe met about the adoption of sanctions against Russia. is this not a worthwhile motive? In my opinion, the United States thought of this diversion from the very beginning, and the Ukrainians left the beech on purpose. because, as you say yourself, the militia did not have airplanes and there was no point in holding Ukrainian air defense there, then why did they flash there periodically getting in the photo? For the United States, the issue of sanctions was a matter of principle, and they could well have planned the setup of Russia so that Europe did not doubt the correctness of the imposition of sanctions.
            1. fyvaprold
              fyvaprold 27 October 2015 12: 49 New
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              Quote: shonsu
              Yes, I remember, it was infa that the militia captured 1 beech. and it was reported that the car was damaged. but the "beech" is a complex technique, and by itself it cannot aim and lock the target. but about the social "dome" did not write that it was captured. so even if the beech was repaired and even a specialist was found who understands it, she still could not shoot.
              about the motive. A Boeing was shot down just in that week when the Council of Europe met about the adoption of sanctions against Russia. is this not a worthwhile motive? In my opinion, the United States thought of this diversion from the very beginning, and the Ukrainians left the beech on purpose. because, as you say yourself, the militia did not have airplanes and there was no point in holding Ukrainian air defense there, then why did they flash there periodically getting in the photo? For the United States, the issue of sanctions was a matter of principle, and they could well have planned the setup of Russia so that Europe did not doubt the correctness of the imposition of sanctions.

              Yes, there was such infa and voiced it, if I’m not mistaken, the former security chief Akhmetova, who held some post there in the LPR (I really don’t remember the name), but no photo or video of the trophy was provided, and Ukraine denied this fact fiercely , here's the link:
              http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1744923
              And about the "Dome", "Russian Spring" reported, but in the only photo where, besides "Buk" there are people, some kind of "shket" without a T-shirt, perhaps a soldier of the same unit for the demobilization album was photographed, and the number of "Buk" - 122, link:
              http://rusvesna.su/news/1404041521
              Sincerely.
              1. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 27 October 2015 13: 12 New
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                Quote: fyvaprold
                we read the number "Buk" - 122

                I forgot to add the number of the "Buk" with the missing missile, which allegedly shot down Boeing - 312.
          5. shonsu
            shonsu 27 October 2015 12: 28 New
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            Yes, I remember, it was infa that the militia captured 1 beech. and it was reported that the car was damaged. but the "beech" is a complex technique, and by itself it cannot aim and lock the target. but about the social "dome" did not write that it was captured. so even if the beech was repaired and even a specialist was found who understands it, she still could not shoot.
            about the motive. A Boeing was shot down just in that week when the Council of Europe met about the adoption of sanctions against Russia. is this not a worthwhile motive? In my opinion, the United States thought of this diversion from the very beginning, and the Ukrainians left the beech on purpose. because, as you say yourself, the militia did not have airplanes and there was no point in holding Ukrainian air defense there, then why did they flash there periodically getting in the photo? For the United States, the issue of sanctions was a matter of principle, and they could well have planned the setup of Russia so that Europe did not doubt the correctness of the imposition of sanctions.
          6. cuzmin.mihail2013
            cuzmin.mihail2013 27 October 2015 14: 06 New
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            By decision of the commander, all the equipment is out of order and does not work ...
            If the equipment was disabled, then, therefore, it does not work and cannot launch the rocket. Then what claims to the militia ?!
            If the equipment was operational, therefore, the commander of the unit (and even, after such accusations, of involvement of the materiel of his unit in this scandal) should be in the tribunal and punished. At least nominally. No messages have been received to this effect. Consequently, either the materiel could not work, or the final result (i.e., a downed plane) suits the Ukrainian tribunal. And if it suits them, it means the launch of the rocket was carried out with the knowledge of the leadership of Ukropia and with its participation. So who is to blame? !!!
          7. mpzss
            mpzss 27 October 2015 15: 31 New
            +5
            not a lot of photoshop, or any other appropriate program, and I will give you so many "screenshots" that it turns out that Parashenko was on Mars, and together with the President of the United States, who do you want?
          8. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 27 October 2015 19: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            DNR has an air defense shield

            There were so many informational stuffings that on the other hand, only clinical idiots can believe in all this.
          9. Fight cat
            Fight cat 28 October 2015 01: 53 New
            +4
            do you even learn the performance characteristics of a missile launcher Buk cannot reach 10 km if it does not have a guidance radar, and for a normal function more than one 9A310 is required - Soviet and Russian self-propelled air defense systems 9K37 Buk. which you cited in your comment. it doesn’t finish above 6 km on its own, the radar is low-power and only in optical tracking.
            and in order for the BUK air defense system to be shot down, it is necessary to use the 9С18 “Dome” (“Tube Arm” - according to NATO classification) - the 9K37 Buk air defense detection and targeting station. 9С470 - the 9K37 Buk air defense command center. 9A310 - self-propelled firing system SAM 9K37 Buk.
            And this is a minimum in order to bring down an airplane, while the militia, except for a broken, self-propelled air defense system of the 9K37 Buk air defense system, had no other!
      5. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 27 October 2015 10: 25 New
        14
        1 .... Boeing ... this is a favorite feature of the CIA, it has already been ... (and the empire of "good" has taken a good breath) ....
        2. question .. why didn’t the sky over the territories where the battles were held by valiant ruin rulers (probably the air conditioner broke)? ... also somehow unanswered!
        3 .... surprisingly, but it was at this time that the PSSh-satellite flew over this place .... and here's the bad luck ... there are no pictures (probably the batteries are dead in the mobile phone)
        4. Intrigue addiction - the main trouble now is ruins ..... always, to everyone and everywhere ... They screamed originally ... that Russia is to blame !!! ... what else can you expect from you ????
        1. Denis DV
          Denis DV 27 October 2015 13: 42 New
          +2
          Wow, the pyendos in Africa did something similar by eliminating the UN Secretary General. It is necessary to look at which of the Boeing passengers the CIA had a grudge, and there, it seems, not the last people flew. With one shot of two birds with one stone - Russia was framed, and whoever was needed was liquidated.
      6. Served once
        Served once 27 October 2015 10: 50 New
        12
        Everything in this message is simply excellent. It’s a pity the consequences of what happened and the facts are adapted to the tragedy that has already happened. The only question is. Which excuse did the plane send into the combat zone, forcing me to deviate from the course? Where are the transcripts of the negotiations with the Dnepropetrovsk controllers? Well, American photos from spy satellites? These data would immediately put all the dots on i.A while everything is adjusted to the fault of only Russia and the militias.
      7. Sergey Guriev
        Sergey Guriev 27 October 2015 10: 54 New
        +9
        Given that the investigation has been creeping for more than a year, it can be concluded that it is impossible to sew down a downed Boeing to Russia. The number of different varieties of a substance of a known property from non-living media somehow began to decrease, or even completely disappear. They try, try, but it doesn’t work out. There is simply no other reason. In Russia, as in the USA, there are data from satellites and other means of objective monitoring of this disaster. Everyone knows about it. Therefore, officially the investigation of the Netherlands (how did it happen that the investigation is conducted, you don’t understand who?) Will never end.
      8. staviator
        staviator 27 October 2015 12: 19 New
        +5
        The motive of ukrov is unambiguous-provakatsiya.Popytka set up the whole world against Donbassa.Ne for nothing Poroshenko immediately stated that: "Donbass militias is a threat to the entire civilized world" Apparently counting on the United States to rush to bomb opolchenie.Obgadilsya, it did not work.
      9. provincial
        provincial 27 October 2015 12: 42 New
        +3
        SWEET_SIXTEEN ---- and hto so smart, huh?
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 27 October 2015 18: 45 New
          +9
          Quote: provincial
          SWEET_SIXTEEN ---- and hto so smart, huh?

          belay It turns out that there are people on the VO pages who do not know who SWEET_SIXTEEN is ??? !!!!!! This is the famous Oleg Kaptsov, the star of the season, a stubborn fan of battleships, the inventor of the Invincible super ship, a big fan of everything American and an ardent hater of everything Soviet and Russian. wassat Not knowing such a person, it's just some kind of disrespect for the stars of FANTASY !!!! As I suspected Oleg is not only empty but also a troll negative
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      11. Imperialkolorad
        Imperialkolorad 27 October 2015 13: 19 New
        +5
        I am simply shocked at VO there are still people who still doubt that Boeing was shot down by the criminal Kiev regime. I do not want to write again about the well-known facts, who will remember the topic. But I will remind you of one "strangeness" - why the hell the Svidomo dispatchers generally brought this board into the combat zone, which is strictly prohibited.
        Z.Y. Where are these poor fellows now?
      12. saber
        saber 27 October 2015 13: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The motive was only among the DNR militias. In the days when they daily bragged about how they shot down the Ukrainian Air Force planes. That liner was shot down by mistake. Waiting for the An-26, hit the Boin

        waited for AN26 at an altitude of 6000-7000 m, and shot down a much larger Boeing 777 at an altitude where AN26 does not fly at all? And what was in the commander's head? "Damn ... at a height where civilian airliners fly and Ukrainian transport workers do not fly, there is a target much larger than AN26 ... What is it? Ah! It's AN26 !!" ??? And about the versions of the smolt-non-aircraft, Voloshin-nevoloshin, there was, for example, the version of Y. Mukhin, that these are cut fragments of old Boeing, dropped from an aircraft (or even brought by trucks). Mukhin is also an agent of the Kremlin?
      13. boris-1230
        boris-1230 27 October 2015 15: 55 New
        10
        MINUS mine! fool
        1. fyvaprold
          fyvaprold 27 October 2015 23: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: boris-1230
          MINUS mine!

          Smart was a woman. Another quote by Ranevskaya, no less appropriate, I can argue about the minus laughing . Sincerely.
      14. Horn
        Horn 29 October 2015 11: 36 New
        0
        Guys, you just show the records and the dispatchers themselves and that's it. Records of dispatcher negotiations will be DIRECT evidence. Cho yelling something in a dupu?
    2. USSR 1971
      USSR 1971 27 October 2015 07: 22 New
      +9
      In fact, not everything is so simple. This is another organization that will continue to educate degenerate Russophobes among Ukrainians themselves. They still manage to brainwash the youth, a whole generation of those who hate Russia have been raised. It is clear that cannon fodder, but could be people. And all this is on our borders. They just don’t give money, we’ll still hear about the collaborators of this office. Registered with the FSB of all of them, "Crimean women" who are "daughters of officers", etc ...
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 27 October 2015 19: 30 New
        +1
        The brainwashing of young people so far has been obtained; a whole generation of those who hate Russia has been grown.

        Svidomo dill (damn, maybe dill Svidomo?) Are treated with hunger and cold! When they begin to look after the neighbors so that the Bug is not eaten, and the wood is not stolen - then the fog will begin to dissipate in the brains. In the meantime, we are waiting. hi
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 27 October 2015 19: 53 New
        +3
        You complain that your borders. And some people still have to live in this madhouse.
    3. marlin1203
      marlin1203 27 October 2015 09: 46 New
      +6
      Thanks to them from the heart! All of our problems are baked ... do not sleep at night ... laughing
    4. kepmor
      kepmor 27 October 2015 16: 43 New
      0
      I don’t want to be malicious, but we have many times more "centers and foundations" where crowds of well-fed ranting idlers, demogogues and bawlers with insane salaries from the budget sit!
      What is the use of them, no one knows, even they themselves ... And about Poroshenko, OFF!
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 27 October 2015 16: 58 New
      0
      "... morons, b ... me" and there is nothing more to say.
    6. rodin12
      rodin12 27 October 2015 18: 32 New
      +1
      Poroshenko go away. You are not worthy to be the president of Ukraine. Go abroad. They love you there
  2. EFA
    EFA 27 October 2015 06: 26 New
    +4
    Another peremoga in the name of "overdue" independence. To knock out the last teeth, the invaders need to know them from the inside! There is no common sense for a long time in everything that concerns Ukraine, the next step is the joining of the entire outskirts to Russia in order to strike from the rear!
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 27 October 2015 07: 12 New
      12
      Quote: EFA
      the invaders need to know them from the inside!

      Zoologists from the USA have bred a new breed of dog in one of the former republics of the USSR.
      TTX dogs:
      1. The evil animal.
      2. Attention !!! Possesses the rudiments of the mind-taps the paw on the keyboard.
      3. Loves to bark at a neighbor.
      4. Only teams of zoologists, Dryn, Kol and Fence understand.
      5.Very fond of fat and jumping in place.
      The breed is called "Banderpidbull"
      1. region58
        region58 27 October 2015 13: 49 New
        +6
        Quote: Voha_krim
        Zoologists from the USA have bred a new breed of dog in one of the former republics of the USSR.

        There are local species:
        Source - Entertaining Zoology
        Second edition, simplified. Allowed for use even in schools and kindergartens
        Pages 6 through 8 Section "Woodpeckers".
        Woodpecker Ordinary.
        In common parlance - an ordinary woodpecker. From Latin - woodpecker ordinary.
        Dimensions: An adult reaches a certain size over a certain period, but as a rule he considers himself much larger and does not agree with the opposite opinion. Appearance and weight change their values ​​depending on the time of day and the self-conceit of the woodpecker itself.
        Habitat: It should be noted that in addition to the environment, woodpeckers live on Monday, Thursday and the rest of the week, which is especially pleasing to THEM.
        Types of feed and nutrition methods:
        Eats everything! The undernourished eats up and asks for more. He does not give up alcohol, and after the second less often than the third glass, no matter what, he begins to assure that he is an eagle from the American coat of arms. At this moment it is better not to argue with him.
        Reproduction: Reproduces a lot and with pleasure. The mating season usually lasts from January to January and at this time the woodpecker is dangerous for all, without exception, females of all species, and sometimes for males. The mating partner is attracted by the abilities of highly artistic swotting and hairy paws, both front and rear as well as promises of the Golden Mountains, Monte Carlo or Kiryat Malachi, depending on the expression on the partner's face. In masonry there is usually (with the exception of a hernia) up to two eggs - the right and left are sometimes of different sizes but always larger than other species. Hatching them constantly periodically combing a wrinkle with this beak.
        Key character traits:
        Aggressive. Stubborn. Good opinions about yourself. Considers without any reason what is an eagle, in a past life was a falcon, and in the future it will be a mixture of the neck and peacock. In fact, according to the international organization "You yourself are a woodpecker" was and remains likely to be just a woodpecker.

        so ...
  3. Barboskin
    Barboskin 27 October 2015 06: 26 New
    10
    It would be better if we sorted out our elections. But no, like any pig, he constantly looks into someone else's garden.
    1. ArhipenkoAndrey
      ArhipenkoAndrey 27 October 2015 07: 12 New
      +6
      And somewhere in the vastness of Russia, in the Kolokolchik madhouse, a commission was also created to study the problems of the Outskirts, now there is silence and order, only reports to the directorate go on resolving the problems of non-zalezhnoy, idyll, which cannot be said about Ukraine, there is still a mess.
    2. Apsit
      Apsit 27 October 2015 11: 55 New
      +1
      Petro Poroshenko signed the Decree “On the Center for Research of Problems of the Russian Federation”.
      Whatever the child would entertain ...
  4. from punk
    from punk 27 October 2015 06: 29 New
    +5
    How they love our country. They can’t do it without Russia. We’ll drown in shit, and solving Russia's problems is more important than ours
  5. The point
    The point 27 October 2015 06: 37 New
    +5
    the whole world is a slightly broader concept than the globe of Ukraine.
    Roman, you still say that the earth is round. laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 06: 48 New
      18
      Quote: Maksud
      Roman, you still say that the earth is round.

      The earth is flat, stands on three pillars. Any alcoholic who has seized power in Ukraine knows this.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 27 October 2015 06: 51 New
        10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The earth is flat, stands on three pillars

        No. On three elephants and a turtle yes Quartet fool laughing
        1. EGOrkka
          EGOrkka 27 October 2015 13: 28 New
          +1
          Ruslan67
          On three elephants and turtles


          ... you looked at it from the other side ... laughing
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  6. Bvg132
    Bvg132 27 October 2015 06: 51 New
    +6
    Are there any problems in Ukraine? No problem is overwhelming debt, almost the collapse of industry, etc. And so on. P. And then suddenly the Poles started talking about restitution - probably also not a problem. With such ISSUES can one expect the collapse of the state?
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 27 October 2015 15: 59 New
      +5
      There is only one problem! How to dump the trappers from a low start over a hill. And most importantly, on time. Moreover, this applies to all citizens, both rich and poor ...
  7. vitya1945
    vitya1945 27 October 2015 06: 52 New
    +8
    Insanity grew stronger!
    1. RU-Officer
      RU-Officer 27 October 2015 07: 11 New
      +6
      Yes you can! fellow Everything is possible to cure! yes
      The only thing is the radicalism of the methods - from lightly stroking the head to tearing it down nafig ... repeat
  8. vtorov.andrej
    vtorov.andrej 27 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +3
    More precisely, the "Center for CREATING problems with Russia"
  9. inkass_98
    inkass_98 27 October 2015 06: 58 New
    +7
    An example with a piece of a bus is completely unsuccessful. Anyone who saw the video with the moment of the explosion and the inspection of the bus, it will be clear that MON rushed. There’s nothing to prove, there were a lot of them stuck on the sidelines
    But with the problems of Russia - yes. And the main problem is to prevent a scenario similar to the Ruins at home. We will survive the rest.
  10. City
    City 27 October 2015 07: 06 New
    13
    Yes, whatever the Pig would not amuse, if only it would not ask for money !!! fellow
    1. MSL
      MSL 27 October 2015 17: 13 New
      +1
      Quote: Grad
      Yes, whatever the Pig would not amuse, if only it would not ask for money !!! fellow

      LORD. The end.
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 27 October 2015 07: 08 New
    +9
    What are you kidding? Well, Petya doesn’t have enough brains how to behave with Russia, even the tips of the US ambassador DO NOT HELP! And all kinds of Europe are directed in the wrong direction. So they created the CENTER. Let them analyze, draw a conclusion and tell you, how are we to be with Russia, so that to spoil and find a loophole for reconciliation. It's cold, after all!
  12. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 27 October 2015 07: 17 New
    +7
    I didn’t understand the point ... Do they want to help us with problems at this institute or add more problems to us? Or will our problems be sorted out to find out if there is a problem or not ??? Damn it, now it's been gone all day in the morning ...
  13. foxic
    foxic 27 October 2015 07: 25 New
    +3
    Poroshenko has nothing to do with it; it’s his cheerful and kind owners who are taking the next step. The war with the Russian world continues, the cash flow does not stop .... they need fresh ideas where, in which NGOs to pour the loot ...
  14. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 27 October 2015 07: 28 New
    0
    If this is another annealing from the captain of the chekushka-tady set off ... burn the rooster, not on the dec ... burn on the napalm, cormorant. wassat
  15. Locksmith
    Locksmith 27 October 2015 07: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: vtorov.andrej
    More precisely, the "Center for CREATING problems with Russia"

    The veiled name of the US OFFICE CENTER in Ukraine, just that, it already was ... It’s nice for them to remember how it ended am
  16. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 27 October 2015 07: 49 New
    20
    What can I tell you about Russian problems, Mr. Poroshenko?
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 27 October 2015 16: 02 New
      +5
      Peremoga or zrada? request
      1. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 31 October 2015 09: 37 New
        0
        PPZ (in Russian Arctic fox and in Surzhik-complete Peremoga-Zrada Zrada-Peremoga)
  17. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 27 October 2015 07: 54 New
    +1
    Country lol. 404. However, they still do not make us laugh. The circus will continue on.
  18. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 27 October 2015 08: 07 New
    13
    What I don't like about us is this stupid "mockery" on every occasion without even going into the meaning of something. Here they are "making mistakes" again about the "stupid" initiative of the "pig" to create an institute for researching Russian problems. But I don't think it's stupid. I think it's stupid those people who sent to Ukraine, so to speak, for honorable "feeding" such "plenipotentiaries" from Russia, who were only having fun there, not doing nichrome, and as a result, we happily pissed away Ukraine and everything connected with it, getting on our heads a bunch of hemorrhoids from "sworn partners". The fact that the kakly are creating an institute on the "problems of Russia" speaks not of their stupidity and their "stupidity", but on the contrary, it says that they are creating an analytical center that will look for our "bottlenecks" and "weakness" , then to "beat" them themselves and with the participation of "partners" and "friends" of Russia. Do you naively think that in such an "institute" guys and girls in "embroidered shirts" will sit? No, - representatives of the special services of Western "partners" will immediately settle there and believe me, they know their business. What will you "brave couch heroes" say if serious analysts, professionals will settle there and will methodically develop our "weak" points, working out recommendations on how to hit Russia more painfully? And it will be easier for them to do this, as we have millions of Ukrainians who do not all "love" Russia and many are ready to provide information to their "co-religionists" from the special services, etc. We must not laugh, and "make jokes" If we want to level the activity of this institute, it is necessary now to send “our” people into its ranks, etc.
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 October 2015 08: 48 New
      +4
      You are absolutely right and you must act immediately.
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    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 27 October 2015 09: 28 New
      +7
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      What I don't like about us is this stupid "mockery" on every occasion without even going into the meaning of something. Here they are "making mistakes" again about the "stupid" initiative of the "pig" to create an institute for researching Russian problems.


      I subscribe to your opinion, I will only add that all the "frostbites" and crazy actions of Ukrainians look stupid and illogical only at first glance.
      I believe that Ukraine is now operating (and very successfully) a team of liquidators of the economy and infrastructure, with the goal of depreciating everything that is economically significant, followed by the sale of rusks for a heap of crackers or privatization according to A. Chubais’s method, or even just dumping it into scrap.
      The activity of this gang is also aimed at deteriorating relations between the Ukrainian and Russian peoples. Therefore, they will do everything possible to cause mutual irritation and dislike (and ideally hatred). Therefore, centers for "studying the problems of Russia" and the like will continue to be created. The remaining trade and economic ties will be broken, air / railway / auto-communications will be canceled. Overlapping water and energy supply to individual regions. Etc. etc. There are a lot of examples.
      I repeat: a team of liquidators is working. Enemy team. With the full support of our "Western partners". Therefore, I think that it is unreasonable to treat Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk and others like them as complete inadequacies. If successful in the implementation of the Ukraine project (Ukraine and Europe), they will quickly change color and become solid, well-balanced ultra-anti-Russian politicians. And in case of failure (the split of Ukraine with the orientation of the majority of regions towards Russia and the demolition of Bandera's ideology) they will go "for a steam locomotive." Like: what to take from de-beels?
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 27 October 2015 16: 08 New
        +6
        Dear, Polite Elk, so judging by your comment, they are not only at first glance "stupid and illogical", but also on the second and third ... Everything that happens there looks like some kind of masochism ... Yesterday there were elections! So they themselves choose a new life for themselves.
    4. EGOrkka
      EGOrkka 27 October 2015 10: 38 New
      +1
      Monster_Fat
      But I don’t think it is stupid


      A classic eyewear ... for doing nothing !! Russia will not feed the parasites! Statements of smart people need to be read: ..... if you want to cheat, create a commission ... you want to do business, appoint a person responsible. hi
    5. ARES623
      ARES623 27 October 2015 13: 24 New
      +4
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      No, - representatives of the special services of Western "partners" will immediately settle there and believe me, they know their business.

      I totally agree. This "institute" will be tasked with doing things that even the cynical outlaws of the CIA will not want to touch. And at the same time they will incite such hatred on the part of Russia that it will no longer be necessary to talk about promising relations.
  19. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 27 October 2015 08: 07 New
    +3
    ... Someone learns from the mistakes of others, and someone from their own. But it turns out that there are those who do not want to study at all.
    Well said, especially in conjunction with the outskirts!
    And it would not be a bad idea to learn the axiom: Jews who seized power in a country will quickly utilize this country.
    If there is no such person as Stalin and does not stop this orgy!
  20. Vadim12
    Vadim12 27 October 2015 08: 12 New
    +1
    Well, now another organization, in addition to the media, will be officially engaged in brainwashing. Russophobes will be cooked from childhood. And the name of the organization in Ukraine, and in the states, also does not play any role.
  21. cniza
    cniza 27 October 2015 08: 42 New
    +4
    Quote: punk
    How they love our country. They can’t do it without Russia. We’ll drown in shit, and solving Russia's problems is more important than ours


    We got a team, money and more. NGOs and agents in Russia have been pressed, and will enter through "good" neighbors.
  22. alexbg2
    alexbg2 27 October 2015 08: 44 New
    +5
    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Who shot down a Boeing over Novorossiya? (taken from Echo of Moscow)

    1. MOTIV

    Dill is completely absent. They shot down the liner just like that, because they like to eat children - a version for the madhouse.

    And on October 4, 2001, too, militias over the Black Sea? After all, ukrov had no motives, it’s not just like that, because they love to have children - a version for the madhouse, so they are not.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 27 October 2015 08: 49 New
      -31
      Quote: alexbg2
      And on October 4 of the 2001 of the year over the Black Sea are also militias?

      Over the Persian Gulf in 1988, Boeing was shot down by Americans by mistake during a battle with the Iranian fleet


      In 2011, Ukrainians were shot down over the Black Sea.

      In the 2014 goal, Boeing was shot down by fighters of the DPR, which is indicated by all the facts, including Almaz-Antey experiments and Strelkov’s testimony
      1. nekot
        nekot 27 October 2015 09: 07 New
        10
        You have a different topic, slightly mistaken address))) And even better, discuss this on Echo with like-minded people))
        1. Riv
          Riv 27 October 2015 09: 15 New
          +4
          Do you think that on Echo this can be cured?
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 27 October 2015 10: 15 New
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        as indicated by all the facts, including Almaz-Antey experiments and Strelkov’s testimony

        Link, pliz, where is Strelkov said.
      3. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 27 October 2015 11: 18 New
        +4
        And who is this "Strelkov himself"? Is this an international authority? Maybe this is the ultimate truth? Or just an ordinary adventurer, who was removed from the Donbass for this.
      4. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 27 October 2015 11: 45 New
        10
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        In the 2014 goal, Boeing was shot down by fighters of the DPR, which is indicated by all the facts, including Almaz-Antey experiments and Strelkov’s testimony

        Facts to the studio!
        Although what you can provide the facts, if you are already head over heels.
        False 1: What did the militia (whom you called the militants) shoot? You yourself wrote a few posts above that before the seizure of the A-1402 air defense military unit, the valiant ukrovoins disabled the entire material part.
        Lie 2: How did the militias shoot without technical capability and target designation? Well, the ROM, which is in your photo, does not have any "Dome". "Kupol" is at SOC. And about the seizure of the SOC by the militias throughout the Internet, information is provided only on the "objective", "unbiased" and "honest" censor.
        Lies 3: Where did the militias shoot from? Almaz-Antey clearly proved that the missile was launched not from the Snezhnoye area, but from the territory controlled by the AFU.
        Lie 4: Motives. Outskirts had a motive to arrange a provocation and to blame the militias and Russia. The militia did not and does not have such a motive. And with fairy tales about "accidentally shot down" a large-sized target flying at high altitude, which poses no threat to the militia - this is for you a censor, an echo or some lie.
  23. cniza
    cniza 27 October 2015 08: 46 New
    +3
    Quote: Tartar 174
    add more problems to us?



    That is the main goal.
  24. Altona
    Altona 27 October 2015 09: 08 New
    10
    Roman, say the earth is round ...
    1. iConst
      iConst 27 October 2015 11: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      Roman, say the earth is round ...
      - This is a visual "forgery". But it's funny. smile

      American maybe they would. Ours are unlikely.
      Although the current generation is possible.
  25. Riv
    Riv 27 October 2015 09: 14 New
    +9
    Everyone has their own problems ...
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ 27 October 2015 11: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      Everyone has their own problems ...

      Only the second time I made a wrong address, there were decent Imerians, but here they are brainwashed velikoukry, in the end I feel sorry for the "animal". He even spoke from such an address, and in Russian, shouted that he was in pain, here it is a new method of mastering the language for the dumb.
  26. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 27 October 2015 09: 16 New
    +3
    Article five points only for a beautiful photo.
    As Vysotsky sang, "there are few real violent, so there are no leaders."
  27. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 27 October 2015 09: 57 New
    +2
    Stop guys stop Recently read this news on other news resources. And you know, there it is presented differently, I do not pretend to be verbatim, I convey the meaning: a center has been set up to study the problems of RELATIONS with the Russian Federation. Feel the difference? Someone is lying to me. Who!
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  29. Old Siberian
    Old Siberian 27 October 2015 12: 52 New
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    Even the mention of Russia acts on Parashenko and his gang as a strong laxative. At least they have no constipation. I recommend changing only more often later.
  30. Arkan
    Arkan 27 October 2015 12: 59 New
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    galloping under the bandura. Or a banjo.


    Bandura - Bandera fool (female banderlog).
    Banjo-bandit Joe, the best friend of the Ukrainian.
    The Republic of Ukraine is directed by the public.
  31. Kushadasov
    Kushadasov 27 October 2015 13: 19 New
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    A camouflaged center for training enemy agents to carry out subversive work against the Russian Federation. Everything is simple. So their American brothers recommended them.
  32. Altona
    Altona 27 October 2015 13: 31 New
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    "Achievements" of Ukraine .. laughing
  33. Altona
    Altona 27 October 2015 13: 39 New
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    Here is another post on Twitter ... laughing
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 27 October 2015 16: 28 New
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      Personally, I wanted to be seen with a naked torso on a horse ... or on a donkey as a last resort smile
      1. Neogumanoyd
        Neogumanoyd 28 October 2015 01: 36 New
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        Dubious pleasure bully
      2. EGOrkka
        EGOrkka 31 October 2015 09: 41 New
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        BARKHAN
        .. well or on the donkey as a last resort



        .... but why torture an animal ... you're not dill .... wink
  34. Curious
    Curious 27 October 2015 16: 21 New
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    I read it. He laughed. And how else to react to the news "President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko signed a decree" On the Center for Research on Problems of the Russian Federation. " Only with laughter, irony and sarcasm. The fountain of ukromarazm is inexhaustible.
  35. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 27 October 2015 16: 35 New
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    Well, they’ll create a center, so what? Will it help them? I don’t understand them at all request Let’s imagine for a moment that they won, in everything, everywhere ... And-and-and? What will start to live better from this moment? How in Europe? Yes, nothing like that. The economy is necessary! We need to work! And now a lot of work for a long time? And they all have thoughts on how to legalize prostitution! Give my women to fuck for money! Shameful I don’t even remember who had such plans for the development of the state.
  36. Militia
    Militia 27 October 2015 17: 33 New
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    It is believed that all this mess is nothing more than just the legalization of the "Censor", nothing more.

    It is believed that under this name, the Center for Research on the Problems of the Russian Federation, a sub-branch of an NGO, a branch of the CIA, which is located in the building of the SBU in Kuyev, was opened. Americans like to call their offices, military exercises and other crap big names, such as "Atlantic determination" or "European blade" "Center blah blah blah" and so on. Probably the Americans think that the problems of the Russian Federation with Kuyev are better seen than with Fushington and therefore the study and solution of these problems will be more effective.
    And also, it looks like an NGO office for laundering Amer rubles or raising a young generation of Ukrainian Russophobes. Probably something like this.
  37. boris-1230
    boris-1230 27 October 2015 19: 38 New
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    Quote: punk
    How they love our country. They cannot do it without Russia.

    As they say, if there weren’t Russia, it had to be invented! hi
  38. By001261
    By001261 27 October 2015 20: 38 New
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    Poured parashenko in the photo at the beginning !!!
  39. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 October 2015 22: 42 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Who shot down a Boeing over Novorossiya? (taken from Echo of Moscow)

    1. MOTIV

    Dill is completely absent. They shot down the liner just like that, because they like to eat children - a version for the madhouse.

    The motive was only among the DNR militia. In the days when they daily bragged about how they shot down the Ukrainian Air Force planes. That liner was shot down by mistake. Waited for An-26, got into a Boeing. And even managed to declare a “victory” for the whole world - the famous post of I. Strelkov:




    2. SUSPECTIVE ACTIVITY OF THE RUSSIAN MEDIA

    Now, after the Almaz-Antey field experiments, as if there had never been Leontyev with his pilot Voloshin, there were no ridiculous pictures with the 800 meter Boeing on the background of Google maps of the 2012 of the year.

    Why drove this nonsense on the main news channels? What was the goal of the Russian media? Did the one who ordered such stories know something? And he tried by any means to make public opinion go the wrong way.

    If this is NOT SO - why did Leontiev talk about “witnesses at the airport” and pilot Voloshin in prime there?

    The Almaz-Antey experiment proved that it did not need a discussion - the Boeing was shot down by Buk. Now it remains to rub that Buk was not ours. And whose? Dill did not need to use air defense - the militia did not have aviation. Air defense used only DNI / LC. Fact? Fact.

    They say that there was no sign of a missile launch. There was a trace, if only because Almaz-Antey proved that the Boeing was shot down by Buk. If you go to Yandex - it turns out that even photos of this trace are, dozens of witnesses. They simply were not shown on the main channels, otherwise how would Leontyev explain that Boeing was shot down by pilot Voloshin?

    Declare photos fakes - this will not change the results of the Almaz-Antey experiments. There was Beech, then there was a trace.

    Failure of the Russian Federation on the international tribunal for Boeing. What for? If we have all the “irrefutable evidence”, what a good chance to show the whole world what the Kiev junta represents?

    No, they say there will be no tribunal. In any case, they will declare us guilty. Of course they will announce - after all, Buk was Russian. All facts indicate this. And not a single fact proves the opposite.

    Change the flag and everything will be clear
  40. magosvel
    magosvel 28 October 2015 01: 32 New
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    Quote: Altona
    Dill is completely absent. They shot down the liner just like that, because they like to eat children - a version for the madhouse.

    Dill may and may not be present, as well as the brain, but the amer is very beneficial. And this is immediately confirmed by the hype, and the sanctions imposed. The owner ordered, and the tricks were completed.
  41. AndreyS
    AndreyS 28 October 2015 08: 24 New
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    Somehow, the discussion smoothly spilled over to Boeing, and the article was about: "... Here's the news - all the news is news. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko signed the Decree “On the Center for Research of Problems of the Russian Federation”. Not the problems associated with Russia, but the problems of Russia ..."
    It seems to me in this office that the next CIA branch, so to speak closer to the enemy, moved legally and on a plausible pretext, and the subject of study is just by profile !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  42. Lexa-149
    Lexa-149 28 October 2015 12: 23 New
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    Peerless banter over stupidity! Respect to the author! good
  43. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 28 October 2015 20: 09 New
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    Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
    Quote: alexbg2
    And on October 4 of the 2001 of the year over the Black Sea are also militias?

    Over the Persian Gulf in 1988, Boeing was shot down by Americans by mistake during a battle with the Iranian fleet


    In 2011, Ukrainians were shot down over the Black Sea.



    Americans admitted themselves, but categorically refused to apologize. The fault of Ukraine in 2001 was proved during the investigation and was recognized by the Ukrainian side. And the international trial is called for some reason only over Russia in the absence of any evidence in principle. Not interested in yourself? However, judging by Kaptsov’s methods of conducting discussions, I won’t be mistaken if I answer for myself: it’s not interesting. Due to the unpaid interest.