General Polguev on the differences between Russian and NATO Special Forces

The main differences between the special forces of the Russian Federation and NATO are in the goals that are set before the military and the ways to achieve them, leads Look words of the chief of intelligence of the Airborne Forces Oleg Polguyev.

“The training of special forces personnel in Russia is more stringent than in NATO countries, although the latter have a technological advantage in weapons and special tools. Russian special forces are well trained and can use almost any foreign weapon. It is important that ours can fight alone, while foreign commandos rely more on the team, ”added the major general.

According to him, “in the hand-to-hand combat, the Russian commando is the best military man in the world.”

“In training, our fighters spend more time than any other special forces in the world. In addition, our special forces are learning not only methods of perfect killing, but also non-lethal martial arts: boxing, judo and other techniques, ”said Polguev.

At the same time, he acknowledged that "foreign special forces are better oriented, they are trained in special military intelligence techniques."

“Priority is given to knowledge that allows the use of observational robots and new tracking systems, not to mention the ability to move around in a variety of vehicles, up to enemy helicopters, ”said the general.

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

[Vend]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

This is also what the Germans hoped for machine guns during World War II. And in melee, they broke them. By the end of the war, the Germans even awarded submariners melee orders

[Varyag_1973]

For the Fritzes, there was nothing worse than a Marine in a peakless cap and shouting "Polundra" going to the attack! In Stalingrad, the Germans were afraid of hand-to-hand combat with ours to panic horror, because the Russian "barbarians" went on the attack with sharpened sapper blades! For the "civilized" Europeans, it was so scary that some of the Wehrmacht soldiers preferred a crossbow or tribunal for non-observance of an order than to fall under a sapper blade!

So mattress covers can use navigators and other gadgets as much as you like, in a real war this is unlikely to help them!

P.S. By the way, they and navigators manage to get lost in three pines! They have forgotten how to use regular maps, clocks and compasses!

[Dr. Hub]

I do not agree with the statement. A couple of years ago they detained, it seems, a mattress spy in Moscow, so in addition to a wig and a glued beard, he also had a compass. Apparently you have not forgotten how to use it. This is not a joke, but a real fact from the central media

[Themi30]

Not from a good life in melee they were broken. A machine gun is more effective than a fist, the losses clearly indicate this. It would be better for us to hope for machine guns, heroism is best avoided if possible, it leads to death, and the life of our soldier is dear.

[perm23]

Yeah, until our run to the Fritz, how many of them put machine guns. As they say - You must win and survive, and not die the hero’s death.

[Baikonur]

heroism is best avoided whenever possible

You must conquer and survive, and not perish by the death of a hero.

I had a boss, Colonel Minin, who said: "The heroic deed of a subordinate is a consequence of the boss's failure!"

[james]

I had a colleague at work (retired major), so he spoke even harder:
"Heroism is born in poorly dug trenches."

[boris-1230]

The feat of one is the crime of another. M. Zhvanetsky

[Spnsr]

Quote: james

"Heroism is born in poorly dug trenches

Well, so not deep? A feat of some, poorly prepared operation of the authorities!

[makarick]

I will give the words of an officer of the Airborne Forces Hero of the Soviet Union. Then I was a kid and admired the hand-held paratroopers. What he said: ".... you still need to get to the enemy so that you don’t shoot ..."

[Vita vko]

Quote: TheMi30

It would be better for us to hope for machine guns, heroism is best avoided if possible, it leads to death, and the life of our soldier is dear.

In a war, the heroism of a soldier is almost always a payment for sloppiness and cowardice of a higher command. That is why during the years of the Great Patriotic War there was mass heroism among Soviet soldiers. If the commander is competent, and the intelligence is reliable, then personal heroism and courage are needed only in emergency cases that anyone can encounter not only in the war, but also in the gateway, on the road, in the forest ...

[Varyag_1973]

"That is why during the Great Patriotic War there was massive heroism among Soviet soldiers."

Based on your logic, all Soviet marshals without exception were "stupid cowards", incapable of command, so what ?! And we won the battle for Moscow, Stalingrad, the Kursk Bulge only thanks to the steadfastness of the Soviet soldiers ?! Do you even understand what nonsense you are talking about ?! Generalisimus Suvorov Alexander Vasilyevich, according to your logic, the most incapable commander, since his miraculous heroes showed miracles of courage and courage on the battlefield, where there were ALWAYS fewer of them than the enemy ?!

I’m only interested in one thing, but you yourself were in the army ?! And if there were any troops, feel free to ask ?!

[zennon]

Quote: Varyag_1973

Based on your logic, all Soviet marshals without exception were "stupid cowards", incapable of command, so what ?!

In the war, the junior command staff played a colossal role. It was from him that the soldiers received commands. And with that we really felt bad. Grandfather said that the chairmen of collective farms and party workers of the middle rank really commanded the companies. died or was taken prisoner by November 1941! 3 prisoners! They put anyone anyway. The junior command officer was stamped in half a year, like in our training. Half a year, and you are a junior. (Junior lieutenant). It's not cowardice, but not competence. Such fathers commanders did not bother to study either a map of the area, or even take into account the available intelligence data. One conversation - “For the party, for Stalin Urya!” And the Germans were perfectly prepared, and they had enough machine guns ... Despite the controversy of Viktor Astafyev, his personal experience is beyond doubt. He accepted the demobil in the rank of private. At the same time he volunteered in 000nd and was awarded the Order of the Red Star and three medals. He fought in a howitzer regiment and a signalman on the battlefield! not once and heavy So here are his words: “In the war, at the front, we ourselves have shot a million of our people by tribunal triplets and even single-handedly convicted! Why do we need Hitler?” The women are still giving birth, and the war will write off everything ...

[Varyag_1973]

For zennon. Well, where do you get these from ?! They read liberal hell about the millions of losses from those shot by detachments and let's spread this heresy further!

First: the word dembEL is spelled with an "E", not an "I"!
Second: “During the war at the front, we ourselves have shot a million of our people by tribunal troikas and even single-handed convictions! Why do we need Hitler?” You yourself understood what you wrote ?! Losses of the Red Army (Soviet Army) amounted to 8,67 million people, it is killed, dead from wounds, missing! You want to say that every eighth soldier was shot by his own ?! Do not carry nonsense, and before making such statements here, read the materials first! My grandfather also fought, the commander of the 122 mm howitzer battery, and so he told me something completely different. Yes, for cowardice and alarmism shot on the spot, it's true! But not in millions, do not lie!

P.S. The Germans, by the way, were also shot for cowardice and alarmism!

[Bat]

Such as you are liberals, and prevented the Russian soldier from fighting.

[Kilo-11]

For Varyag-1973. It was Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov who said: "Not in number, but by skill" and always acted / fought / proceeding from this message. Therefore, losses in the troops of Alexander Vasilyevich were minimal, so the troops under his command always won. the heroes of Alexander Vasilyevich showed the highest courage and courage, but also showed the highest training and skill in battle. "It's hard in training, easy in battle" -Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov. Not all of course marshals and generals during the Second World War were "stupid cowards", but By the way, the German infantrymen, both during the 1st World War (assault units) and during the 2nd World War, used the same MSL in hand-to-hand combat.

[Varyag_1973]

"Of course, not all of the marshals and generals during the Second World War were" stupid cowards ", but the same was enough."

Name me at least one "stupid and cowardly" Marshal ?! Do not give Budyonny and Voroshilov as examples, they practically did not command the troops!

[Fighter]

Guy, you’ve thrown all the reproaches!
You need to find fault with each letter ?!

[Samklim]

Who is talking about marshals? It was about the immediate superiors. Komvzvoda, comrades ... And, by the way, they do not visit the army - they serve in the army. And you, dear, either did not serve, or ran into a sleek position, and you got lost in a civilian way. And now you throw reproaches. The person who served the normal term knows who the commander is. And mythical generals are not interesting to him.

[CTEPX]

Quote: Vita VKO

In war, soldier heroism is almost always a pay

What is called heroism in everyday life is a normal military duty for a Russian soldier. I would like, of course, that all the "higher command" did not shy away from the soldiers' share)). But in Russia, the percentage of real commanders is increased in comparison with "partners". I don't even know how to help them (foreign special forces) in an unequal technological struggle with ours)).

[Vlad.by]

But no. Ours, for the most part, stood to the end - to hand-to-hand combat, hence the heroism in hand-to-hand combat. All the rest, up to the Germans, did not like the close battle very much.

[dirty trick]

Quote: TheMi30

It would be better for us to rely on machine guns, heroism should be avoided whenever possible, it leads to death, and the life of our soldier is dear

I agree with you that the life of a soldier is expensive, much less well trained. but I think that special forces are not motorized rifles and often they have to fight in conditions when the use of a machine gun is difficult.

[Alexei]

Quote: TheMi30

It would be better for us to hope for machine guns, heroism is best avoided if possible, it leads to death, and the life of our soldier is dear.

The main thing is not to go too far in this direction, and even nobody will go to war even with a machine gun.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: TheMi30

Not from a good life in melee they were broken. A machine gun is more effective than a fist, the losses clearly indicate this. It would be better for us to hope for machine guns, heroism is best avoided if possible, it leads to death, and the life of our soldier is dear.

Dear TheMi30, the tasks facing the units and special forces of the defense ministries of any state are precisely to avoid excessive "loudness", because often this ("loudness") negates all the results achieved.

[Kilo-11]

As one colleague says: "If the group entered the battle, it means only one thing - failure."

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Kilo-11

As one colleague says: "If the group entered the battle, it means only one thing - failure."

Dear Igor, maybe not quite a failure, but the intelligence chief will tear his head off "at home" with great pleasure.

Well, like I did, dear.

[Hort]

yeah, the first shot - the beginning of failure

[Passer]

Quote: TheMi30

A machine gun is more effective than a fist.

This is not always the case. During a city battle, it happens the other way around.

[Samklim]

Soviet power has never taken into account the cost of the life of a simple Soviet soldier or civilian. They put in millions and did not bathe. All for victory.

[yehat]

The Red Army hoped for semi-automatic rifles, but with their operation a jamb came out

[Mikado]

Quote: Wend

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

This is also what the Germans hoped for machine guns during World War II. And in melee, they broke them. By the end of the war, the Germans even awarded submariners melee orders

This is because at the end of the war the Germans began to massively remove sailors from ships and throw them into the last battle. Many German sailors participated in the defense of Berlin. In short, as we have in Sevastopol, just the opposite.
And the Wehrmacht really tried not to take hand-to-hand fights. And, if you take offhand several memoirs of German generals, everyone says that in melee we had no equal.

[Slobber]

Hooray! When to start throwing hats?

[kizhe]

I wonder what it is?

[Roman Skomorokhov]

To black shoulder straps

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Banshee

To black shoulder straps

Such a sign?

[Serafim-k]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

It all depends on the motivation ... Ours are always motivated better .. !! Like any war depends on motivation, the example of the Finnish, ..What we were motivated by .. Stalin (asked to give the finals, what does not belong to them, but with Lenin's "decree" could not do it diplomatically), Only because the Finns, we were not heard, and Hitler promised that he would not leave them .. ?? However, just like England promised Poland .. !!

[jjj]

The Brothers Grimm also warned: "With one blow of seven"

[The Chat]

Judging by the Finnish war, the Finns were much better motivated. Despite the loss, microscopic Finland was able to quite adequately resist. It was not possible to throw hats, I had to throw corpses ....

[self-propelled]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

Russians are unpredictable in their improvisation

[subbtin.725]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

Our cultural and civilizational code is conscience, and their main thing is profit

[Amurets]

I read feedback about the latest competitions in Kazakhstan. The Americans called our scout trail the death trail. Only special forces of the former social camp could pass it. But the prize for the use of technical equipment remained with the Americans. That physical training is needed is understandable. but it’s also important to be able to use the technical means of their own and the enemy, drive any car, work on any radio, use the subversive means of the enemy.

[Россия 24]

Their American training cannot be compared with the strength of our women. The question is, what is the special forces capable of?)))

[Россия 24]

here is also a construction battalion.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Russia 24

and what is the special forces capable of?)))

capable of destroying witnesses - the people who saw them in the rear

[Altona]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

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As for reconnaissance ... What kind of "reconnaissance" is this if the Hummer jeeps were thrown onto an undiscovered beach and the entire crew of powerful fighters had to push this miracle of technology across the shifting sand? It's bullshit, the exchange of compliments, the batteries in the optics and the tablet will die and that's it, Khan's intelligence, until the diesel generator charges all this ... Their pilots bombed the desert for a year, with "the most advanced radars" they flew for bombing and put all the bombs on the dunes ... Ours took off, visually made landmarks on the highway and they know the whole area without a map ...

[whiteeagle]

A typical special forces soldier, regardless of country, is no different from the millions of people who train martial arts. The only difference is that soldiers are taught to kill. So the difference is in the psyche. On the other hand, the best Special Forces in Russia is the Special Forces of Ramzan. also in the field of loyalty and obedience. Although the Special Forces Kim Jong-un are more loyal.

[Altona]

Quote: whiteeagle

A typical special forces soldier, regardless of country, is no different from the millions of people who train martial arts. The only difference is that soldiers are taught to kill. So the difference is in the psyche. On the other hand, the best Special Forces in Russia is the Special Forces of Ramzan. also in the field of loyalty and obedience. Although the Special Forces Kim Jong-un are more loyal.

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There is no loyalty there, just stress resistance is brought to perfection in order to discard all kinds of moral conflicts and work according to the program, the task is set, you must fulfill it at all costs, using all your skills ... The loyalty question is the easiest, you took the oath, you are a person of the word , all...

[beitar]

And why do you need hand-to-hand combat in the era of silent shooting? Something is always due to something. I prefer a perfectly firing commando to a fighting one.

[Altona]

Quote: beitar

And why do you need hand-to-hand combat in the era of silent shooting?

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And why do you need hand-to-hand combat if you can tear an aorta on your neck with your index finger? And going from the back and you will not hear this ...

[Hort]

why fingers, if there is a knife?

[skeket]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

not quite so. They have different tasks. Their landing is mainly focused on sabotage operations, ours - on the capture and retention of the bridgehead, until the main forces

[vorobey]

In 96, a medical examination took place in group A. With the wording psycho, the shell-shock was expelled ... but the friend I met there passed ... he told me about two years ago ... we periodically communicate; he is already a lieutenant colonel ... and so he looks like a loshka ... you will meet on the street and you won’t think that this car can do much ..

[pv1005]

Pride (like bragging) is a grave sin. And your post has no relation to the article.

[vorobey]

Quote: pv1005

Pride (like bragging) is a grave sin. And your post has no relation to the article.

would be pride and so .... shame ...

and it has a direct relation to the article ... you cannot distinguish our specialist from the average citizen in the bulk ... inconspicuousness is another of those qualities that gives plus one hundred to the task ... Remember Pristina and Yevkurov .. how 18 people calmly kept the airport under control ..

[just exp]

+ a lot, I sometimes watch documentaries about septsnaz and hand-to-hand training films, there are instructors there, well, if you take off your uniform, well, an ordinary layman, I have never seen Schwarzeneggers and rams, but such a philistine can be abruptly abrupt than any pitching.

[pv1005]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: pv1005

Pride (like bragging) is a grave sin. And your post has no relation to the article.

would be pride and so .... shame ...

and it has a direct relation to the article ... you cannot distinguish our specialist from the average citizen in the bulk ... inconspicuousness is another of those qualities that gives plus one hundred to the task ... Remember Pristina and Yevkurov .. how 18 people calmly kept the airport under control ..

Your post originally looked like this "At 96 I passed a medical examination in group A."no more no less. Actually, therefore, there was such a comment. The fact that you supplemented your post later, well, I'm sorry I'm not to blame. Addition really characterizes our special forces. In 1987, in the field, they crossed paths with Alfovtsy, truly ordinary, often even bald-headed peasants, but they shot like gods, growths from the RPK-74 at a distance of 400 m from the thigh fell only in a single turn. I hope misunderstandings are exhausted.

[vorobey]

Quote: pv1005

Initially, your post looked like this "At 96 passed the medical examination in group A."

By the way, my plus was to you ... I didn’t notice some misunderstandings .. often you have to add a lot of words in this way ...

I crossed closely with the Alfovites for the last time at the training ground in 2000 ... sniper competitions were held .. already as a captain, some seemingly simple things just went to my head ... live and learn

[asar]

I agree, Sanya, all the best!
Ours are better motivated, and at least we don't have "jocks" like "them"! Prepared? Yes! In every way! But not a "mountain of muscles", a la Schwarzenegger, but knowledge, skill!
And the preparation ... They chased us, I remember, "in black"! They drove cruelly!
The principle was - trust in God, but only in a dream, if you live to sleep (it was such a joke)!
What, nafig, grub - what you find, catch, then yours!
The main task, everything else is secondary and even tertiary!

[vorobey]

Quote: Aleks tv

Sanya, Darova.

Hi Lech ... I hope for my son .. and here pride and bragging already begins ... the second course has already gone .. specialization (radio engineering) robotics, the second category in combat sambo .. the truth can’t stand the army .. the stupid still does not understand the prospects ...

[beitar]

On the contrary, smart

[Altona]

Quote: vorobey

and so with the appearance of a loshka loshka ... on the street you will meet and you won’t think that this car can do much ..

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I was traveling on a train with a marine, about ten years ago ... He said that if he spills his station, he’ll get off the closed car anyway, and it doesn’t matter that the train is on the move ...

[corn]

From the article.
"According to him," in hand-to-hand combat, the Russian special forces are the best military man in the world. "

There are also Chinese special forces. And a bullet is faster than a fist. Although nice.

[just exp]

the Chinese only in myths are the best fighters because they have shaolin.
but in reality, in their hand-to-hand combat, their specialists are inferior to ours, and it’s solid. although tightened up over the past 20 years.

[corn]

just explo.
Special forces training is not only hand-to-hand combat. A universal soldier is not the best in everything, but the best in aggregate. If they become the best in hand-to-hand combat, then part of the time is taken away from other training disciplines and there will be gaps.
I know for sure that thirty years ago, it took much longer to fly to the ground by the parachute of our airborne forces than by the parachutes of our potential enemies. What this will lead to is clear. I do not want the true situation to be hidden behind the cries of "hurray", it is better to remain silent and "plow", "plow" .....

[just exp]

however, the fact remains that our specialty is better prepared than the same Chinese.
and not only in hand-to-hand combat, there is already the fact that we already have our own tradition in preparing special forces. since we have been special forces for a long time. and the Chinese the real special forces appeared relatively recently, before that it could be said that there was an infantry with increased fire training, no more. and in the late 80s they began to prepare real special forces, but without experience, without traditions of training and other special forces, it turned out to be somewhat different from that of other large countries. they are working well in this direction now, but they are still far from the level of Russia and the USA.

[prorab_ak]

Well, well .... look at the results of the latest championships among existing units ... and read the interviews and reviews of our participants about the Chinese ... probably you will find out a lot of interesting things .... otherwise there are only unfounded exclamations, our type are the best and that's it, moreover, from the overwhelming majority .... there is no need here to tell yard legends from youth ... otherwise the young brains of schoolchildren very quickly forget about an objective view of things
Chinese special forces today are objectively the strongest in the world, at least in terms of competition ... and in combat .... no one knows and never will know ... such things are not revealed

[Amurets]

Reports from Kazakhstan this year would be very interesting. From the World Special Forces Championship. But even at the World Championships they will not show the real level of training.

[corn]

Quote: prorab_ak

.See the results of the latest championships among existing units.

People did not see or did not understand what was happening at the Airborne Platoon competition. We played at our own training ground, and the advantage was minimal.

[mark2]

one FIG Russian special forces the most special forces in the world !!

[Altona]

Quote: just explo

but in reality, in their hand-to-hand combat, their specialists are inferior to ours, and it’s solid. although tightened up over the past 20 years.

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The Discovery Channel likes to show how the Americans "hang" flooded in the water with a stone tied to their feet, and the Chinese lie in a snowdrift for 6 hours, and then jump out cheerfully ...

[Denis DV]

foreign commandos are better oriented

Controversial

[vlad.svargin]

I agree with you, but for an example I’ll give you one of the operations of the elite US special forces:
[quote] American special forces "Delta force" - "Delta Forces" - the most expensive branch of the US Army, at the same time is the most unsuccessful. These troops especially vividly "proved" themselves in 1980, when they miserably failed the operation to free fifty employees of the American embassy in Tehran, who had become hostages of terrorists. The special forces not only managed to lose several pieces of military equipment, including three of sixteen helicopters, but before the start of the military operation, on the way to Tehran, but also to disrupt the very process of releasing the hostages. ("UNKNOWING VICTORIES US SPECIAL FORCES"
Source: http://goodbyeusa.com/2061-ne-znayushhiy-pobed-spetsnaz-ssha/

[creak]

Quote: vlad.svargin

American special forces "Delta force" - "Delta Force"

I would like to note that in this case, Dtlta Force translates as a Delta team or group, rather than Delta force.
As well as contrary to popular belief, the name SEALS does not mean seals, but is simply made up of the initial letters of three areas, where the US Navy special forces are called to act - SEa Air Land ... It just coincided with the seal ...

[vlad.svargin]

It seems to me that your comments are not to me, but to the source of the quotehttp: //goodbyeusa.com/2061-ne-znayushhiy-po
bed-spetsnaz-ssha / and where are the cats ...

[captain]

I read most of the comments, did not serve in the special forces. He was the commander of the reconnaissance and landing company in 781ORB 108 MSD 40 Army in 1981-82gg. Citizens commenting on the comments realized that most of you did not fight. You write about death and heroism so easily that you begin to doubt the normality of people. I dare to assure you that everyone and everything that you saw in feature films about the war want to live is basically a lie. More than once was present at the death of soldiers and officers, did not hear from them words about the party and the homeland. The late sergeant Mitrikov called his mother until he died, he was carried to a helicopter, and he was not informed. He was a good and brave scout. Words: “For the Homeland”, “For the Party” I have never heard. During the command of the company, 11 soldiers and officers buried. They considered it at the annual meeting of our company (we meet annually, for 15 years already), every third was wounded, every seventh twice. Some became disabled. And when you read boastful comments, it takes anger at the cheers-couch patriots. I won’t write a mat.

[vlad.svargin]

Denis DV
foreign commandos are better oriented
Controversial

I agree with you. For example, I will give one of the unsuccessful operations of the elite illustrious US special forces:

American special forces "Delta force" - "Forces delta" - the most expensive branch of the US Army, at the same time is the most unsuccessful ... These troops especially vividly "proved" themselves in 1980, when they failed miserably the operation to free fifty employees of the American embassy in Tehran, who became hostages of terrorists. Special forces not only managed to lose several pieces of military equipment, including three of the sixteen helicopters, even before the start of the military operation, on the way to Tehran, but also to disrupt the process of releasing the hostages. Having confused a passing fuel tanker with the terrorists, they shot it with a grenade launcher and the explosion, which was visible and audible for tens of kilometers, deprived the would-be liberators of the hostages of the surprise factor. "UNKNOWN VICTORY US SPECIAL FORCES" -ne-znayushhiy-pobed-spetsnaz-ssha /

[Teberii]

Technique and modern weapons of man can not be replaced, the preparation of accumulated knowledge is the weapon.

[Denis DV]

about the ability to travel in a variety of vehicles, up to enemy helicopters

It is not clear whether this is ours or ours?

[Manul]

Quote: Denis DV

It is not clear whether this is ours or ours?

I agree - it’s not clear. Rather, they have, and the article is, of course, slurred. A third-party interview?

At the same time, he acknowledged that "foreign special forces are better oriented, they are trained in special military intelligence techniques."

In what

oriented

? Or how, or where? I would like to throw a hat (or throw at the enemy), and shout Hurray. But to whom? Special Forces, Airborne Forces, Military Intelligence? In general, Glory to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!

[just exp]

Also, how many documentaries I saw about their specialty, so for the most part they even learn to fight on the ground on simulators. what does they have this simulated learning process takes a considerable time from the total number of hours for training. and I didn’t see there so that they would learn to fly on helicopters even on their own, that is, to land yes, to fly and shoot yes, but to fly no by themselves.

[Corsair]

Quote: just explo

Also, how many documentaries I saw about their specialty, so for the most part they even learn to fight on the ground on simulators. what does they have this simulated learning process takes a considerable time from the total number of hours for training. and I didn’t see there so that they would learn to fly on helicopters even on their own, that is, to land yes, to fly and shoot yes, but to fly no by themselves.

How did you not watch the famous documentary about John James Rambo? This is a historical film!

[Belousov]

The staff have a saying "Do or die", we have "Die but do". Even death is not considered a mitigating circumstance in our country.

[Gor-1974]

The main thing is not how to study, and where, and most importantly, who is ready to die, by order

[Mikhail Krapivin]

If only ours didn’t go on the wrong path again - we hang on the soldier more additional equipment, gadgets, etc. and it will be good. Well, this is when the paratrooper is combat-ready without any gadgets and equipment, and does not begin to whimper and go on strike without receiving a six-layer toilet paper and cold Coke.

[creak]

Quote: Mikhail Krapivin

Well, this is when the paratrooper is combat-ready without any gadgets and equipment, and does not begin to whimper and go on strike without receiving six-layer toilet paper and cold Coca-Cola

Yeah, obviously it's better when the fighters have everything as in the 19th century: "The soldiers are warming themselves with smoke, the soldiers are shaving with an awl" ...

In a word, we will tear them all with our bare hands, or in a pinch, chop with a sapper blade, as in a movie ...

PS Only in contrast to cinema in war there aren’t several takes, there is only one single and you won’t be able to retake ...

[Decathlon]

"... use observation robots and new tracking systems ..."
And if the "hummer" with robots is stuck, the fog - the tip of the nose is not visible, then that's it - dismantle the suitcase ?! Still, it seems to me that personal qualities are a priority, and technology is just an addition ...

[just exp]

especially if you recall how many recent EW activities we have been doing.

[abrakadabre]

What is far to go? It was a few days ago about their landing on the beach on the Hummers. When they got stuck and couldn’t get out for a long time.

[Chicot 1]

Nothing ... A couple of general phrases and no specifics, not to mention a serious analysis of the topic ...

Even a minus for such an opus is too lazy to put ...

[31rus]

Both of them know perfectly well all the strengths and weaknesses of the enemy, so the process of improvement is continuous and this applies not only to the special naz, take ordinary "life" as an example, you should always learn

[roskot]

Quote: Decathlon

"... use observation robots and new tracking systems ..."

This is not special forces, but osnaz. This is in my opinion another specialization.

[saigon]

Well, I won’t say it now, but earlier in the race I ran from morning to evening, physically up to vomiting, disguising and surprise attacks, shooting by itself.

[Dragon-y]

"Non-rapid martial arts" - "slow and sad", or what?
Maybe "non-lethal"? You need to read the text more carefully before uploading ...

[vorobey]

Quote: Dragon-y

"Unstable martial arts"

I think there is no mistake .. because any martial art involves a longer contact than just killing .. for this you need only one movement ... but endurance in a viscous contact if this movement did not work out is just not superfluous ... and in principle .. who practiced martial arts he on the street as a fisherman sees a fisherman in the style of movement, in the shape of his arms, biceps, weight lifter is different from a boxer and a boxer from a wrestler .. Accordingly, you already have time to comprehend before whom you need to have time to apologize if you offended ...

I already at the institute of the Ministry of Internal Affairs served in the first tests on the physo for hand-to-hand grabs ... it seems everything is perfect, but as the department head said, it’s inappropriately to kill the enemy .. our task is to immobilize and detain him ... but I didn’t immediately catch this difference ..

[Hleb]

more carefully you need to read the text before laying out

at the bottom of the video from which this part of the interview is taken, and there, at the 29th minute, he clearly pronounces "non-rush". and all because he reads from a piece of paper. you completely confused the one who fixed it in the article)

[Maksus]

It is impossible today without modern technology - the use of drones and thermal imagers alone can increase the effectiveness of the use of special forces in counter-terrorism and police actions at times. Is it bad?

[nord62]

It is all about fortitude, sometimes a morel fighter shows miracles of courage and heroism (WWII, Afghanistan, Chechnya). Where did the NATO people come from if they were fighting for money, if his dad left an inheritance in half a lemon of greenery and a family shop! Spirituality is the weakness of those fighters, why the Vietnamese shredded them at one time, now the Afghans are wetting .... I think so!

[v245721]

The company commander said you are green as a member of a grasshopper and with the first jump you will become a locust destroying everything RUSSIAN airborne forces are strength and not American gadgets

[svu93]

no robot or gadget can replace a person!
as our head of the Security Council (FSB colonel in the past) said about video surveillance - people don't catch cameras, but people! Let me rephrase it - not gadgets do the job, but people!
What can a gadget without a person? Nothing! And what can a person (naturally, trained and prepared) without a gadget? Yes, much, almost the same !!!

[voyaka uh]

And we have three commandos taught three things: think, run, shoot.
The most serious test is IQ. If you are dumb, be at least
Rambo with three karate judo - you will not get into special forces.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: voyaka uh

And we have three commandos taught three things: think, run, shoot.
The most serious test is IQ. If you are dumb, be at least
Rambo with three karate judo - you will not get into special forces.

Well, your best of course ...)))) Crawl everywhere!

[voyaka uh]

The best is considered English SAS. They have a practical combat
the experience is the largest, almost continuous - now, for example, they graze in the Iraqi desert.

Ours are considered the best in "quiet" intelligence. operations behind enemy lines, without firing
and melee.

[apro]

As our lieutenant of radio reconnaissance said, if a scout started shooting or tracking, then he lost.

[Hleb]

if the scout started shooting or tracking, then he lost

there are the basics - these are methods of reconnaissance. so among these methods there are such as: "observation", "raid", "ambush". and how will you destroy the enemy in ambush without shooting? or how are you going to observe and not follow at the same time? strange you had a lieutenant

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: voyaka uh

The best is considered English SAS. They have a practical combat
the experience is the largest, almost continuous - now, for example, they graze in the Iraqi desert.

Ours are considered the best in "quiet" intelligence. operations behind enemy lines, without firing
and melee.

Yes, ours, too, seem to not only shoot at targets .. One of the Caucasus is worth it! And Crimea ..? This is generally a masterpiece of a special operation of this magnitude! (I’m silent about the rest)

[apro]

With all due respect to the operation, I consider it still a contractual operation, it is not important to bribe the threat or use other methods of influence, there wasn’t any major blood. I didn’t have to make fire contact, this option is extremely undesirable. And the Caucasus was just bought.

[Vladimir]

The assessment is subjective and it is unambiguous to say that those are good and those would not be very unfair. Only the fulfillment of the assigned task could evaluate the training of the special forces more or less realistically. Personally, I am in my heart for the Russian special forces.

[grinow.ivan]

At the same time, he admitted that “foreign commandos are better oriented, they are trained in the methods of special military intelligence.” It doesn’t matter, our ripples quickly and correctly grasp the benefit of the authorities

[gg.na]

Hoping for a technique, a person begins to relax, and if all this electronic burum burum is destroyed at once, what does it mean ... ??! Blind and deaf soldiers on the battlefield !!! And if you take into account that in a modern war, the whole outcome of the battle of the war decides even an instant soooooo ... But in an hour I think it’s impossible to learn all the skills to operate without electronic gadgets! And an hour of time by modern standards of war is an eternity !!!

[Hleb]

I began to listen to him and after he said "special air service" I realized that there was nothing surprising either in his "unsettled" or other thoughts in the article). in the future, you can not be surprised by his new interview and brilliant English)
Lets mi Speak From May Hart in English (s)

[Tjeck]

the article is very muddy, there is no specifics .. western special forces - is it English SAS or American delta and seals or Israeli special services? here, one should rather judge not by the opinion of one person, even though a general, but by the statistics of the success and complexity of the tasks themselves. well, and to discuss about someone who more abruptly resembles the arguments of first-graders in the likeness: (terminator versus predator) well, or what are the first-graders arguing about there now ..

[Wolka]

dear, do not confuse military special forces, including military intelligence and groups of special saboteurs (they have their own tasks and goals) and units of foreign intelligence special services, these are different offices, but sometimes they come into contact, and in general the special forces are very "jealous" of their units and exploits, and As for the specifics in the article, you shouldn't read it at all, no one will ever tell you about these or those methods and systems of special forces training, the topic is very limited for obvious reasons, this is only in the movies of fights and meat grinders of special forces, in fact, everything simpler and more prosaic, if the matter came to a real confrontation and fight, then you failed the operation, you are on the hook and they will still grab you, it's a matter of time, or they will simply be killed ...

[Wolka]

but in general there are special forces for special forces, there is a military special forces of the ground forces, and there is a naval one, there is a special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, there is a special forces of the Federal Penitentiary Service, etc. is different, but no one canceled the basic, so to speak, the general part of the training system, including high physical training, it is usually identical, as for the American special forces, then it is also specialized in the areas of goals and objectives, there are, say, green berets, sea seals, etc., the general correctly noted that our guys are more focused on "natural techniques and methods" of conducting operations, with minimal special equipment, the Yankees, they focus more on the maximum use of special technical equipment, including observation systems and communication using advanced modern technical means, which, in general, is also not bad, and it is useful to know

[vladimirw]

At the same time, he acknowledged that "foreign special forces are better oriented, they are trained in special military intelligence techniques."
Admitted that it works badly ?!

[pts-m]

they speak inadvertently among the people ... everyone believes in what he wants to believe in ... different points of approach to accomplished actions. and while we are together, like twigs in a broom, no power will defeat us!

[tiras85]

Nobody except us!

[Jackking]

The heroism of some is the stupidity of planning others ...

[slizhov]

Where are the inflated Schwarzeneggers up to our guys?
Neither the power nor the Russian Spirit !!!

[Vek]

Quote: Varyag_1973

..... because the Russian "barbarians" went on the attack with sharpened sapper blades! For the "civilized" Europeans, it was so scary ......

Erich Maria Remarque has a novel All All Quiet on the Western Front. This is a novel about the events of World War I, through the eyes of a German soldier. So, even Remark - (excuse me) "lousy intelligentsia" was aware of the fact that noble, civilized dicks of the Hans often crossed sapper blades with blades of "frog pads" in a hand-to-hand duel. I vividly remember that episode when a fired soldier, Kat, taught un fired soldiers the advantages of a shovel over a bayonet.
In general, through the whole novel one of the threads goes - we are not so different. Read for general development, and after that, I think, you will cease to distinguish two-legged / two-handed creatures by the ability to wield a shovel better than the enemy. Hatred is evil

[evgmiz]

I remember, once taught specialists, albeit briefly, and control of aircraft

[alexvdv78]

In the summer of 99g, our guys from the 14th brigade drove and guests to the American rangers. Our selection there was very tough. When ours arrived at their base, the Americans gritted their teeth contemptuously: oh, Russian special forces. But after the very first competition, to put it mildly, they were a little shocked. Our guys beat them in almost all competitions, the only thing they lost was in landing from an airplane. But this is easily attributed to an unfamiliar parachute system, the jumping technique is completely different from ours. Otherwise, we were better than Americans. They were very angry, but could not do anything. But this does not mean that everything was easy for ours. No. It was very, very hard, it was a job that had to be done better than your opponent. And the Americans began to respect and even become afraid that what else could these Russians throw out. When, sparring in hand-to-hand combat, against an American as healthy as a bull, he came out less pumped up, and a smaller Russian, and laid the American on his shoulder blades faster than he managed to blink. Well, he was not warned that the champion of the KDVO in army hand-to-hand combat was coming out against him. And when our guys left there, the Americans respectfully shook hands, and on their faces there was no shadow from those statements. Two weeks was enough for them to respect us. I think that after that they would not want to meet our special forces on the battlefield. There would be more such meetings and you look at the statements of their generals, they would have been much more peaceful, and did not call for the Russians to be killed, because Russians can also kill not worse, or even better than they. But this is alien to us, and they are in the order of things. Maybe these paratroopers will get to know the Russians better, and then they will definitely not have enough diapers.

[BULB TARAS]

Quote: corn

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I know for sure that thirty years ago it was much longer to fly to the ground by parachute of our airborne forces than by parachutes of our probable opponents. What this will lead to is understandable.

The one who leaves the side from a greater height flies longer ... so my friend leave our domes alone ... Do you know for sure? Did you jump yourself? Or did one grandmother say?

[Babai Balkan]

on joint exercises: the commander of the second pilot: tell the amers to stop jumping, we have not taken off yet !!!

[3vs]

And the results of the training speak for themselves!
So not everything is so bad here!

[maikl50jrij]

I watched the comparative analysis of the special forces of different countries (leading). The guys exchanged passages of "stripes", weapons ... The observers gave ours the highest score! In the combat exercises, no one was even close. The Chinese were great, but their "tasks" were different and somehow they "passed by". Amers training is impressive, of course, but it seems to me that this is purely "moral pressure". On our "races" they failed ...

[rocker_39]

Quote: zennon

Quote: Varyag_1973

Based on your logic, all Soviet marshals without exception were "stupid cowards", incapable of command, so what ?!

In the war, the junior command staff played a colossal role. It was from him that the soldiers received commands. And with that we really felt bad. Grandfather said that the chairmen of collective farms and party workers of the middle rank really commanded the companies. died or was taken prisoner by November 1941! 3 prisoners! They put anyone anyway. The junior command officer was stamped in half a year, like in our training. Half a year, and you are a junior. (Junior lieutenant). It's not cowardice, but not competence. Such fathers commanders did not bother to study either a map of the area, or even take into account the available intelligence data. One conversation - “For the party, for Stalin Urya!” And the Germans were perfectly prepared, and they had enough machine guns ... Despite the controversy of Viktor Astafyev, his personal experience is beyond doubt. He accepted the demobil in the rank of private. At the same time he volunteered in 000nd and was awarded the Order of the Red Star and three medals. He fought in a howitzer regiment and a signalman on the battlefield! not once and heavy So here are his words: “In the war, at the front, we ourselves have shot a million of our people by tribunal triplets and even single-handedly convicted! Why do we need Hitler?” The women are still giving birth, and the war will write off everything ...

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you, despite the minuses. The quality of training of company officers left much to be desired in comparison with the Wehrmacht. (Wehrmacht officers training system http: //russoedvizhenie.rf/index.php/history/52-articles/9829-2012-07-02-11-43-07-XNUMX
)

[lecturer]

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

- and 1000 for!
That was why I was surprised when the Americans could not start the diesel generator from the "pusher", and took their battery to "charge" ... hr-e-m-e-n-a!

[kartalovkolya]

It is interesting to read comments and conclusions about our special forces and their actions in wars! Something from the category of "flat-roll, round-carry"! Gentlemen, “analysts” do not mix “God's gift” with scrambled eggs, because special units, unlike infantry and other troops, have completely different tasks and it’s not their job to “go about machine guns”. Although our soldier will give 100 points to the so-called "reasoning" and the ability to solve many problems "Western partners," such a mentality "in the blood" of our people has historically developed. As for the article, I read it with interest, but I will refrain from speaking about our "specialists" since did not serve in this system, although he gave 25 years of his native Army! It is especially pleasing that much attention is now being paid to these units! Glory to the Russian Army and the Navy!

[infantryman2020]

Quote: Wend

Quote: oleg-gr

Ours rely on themselves, and Americans rely on technology. Anyway, ours is better.

This is also what the Germans hoped for machine guns during World War II. And in melee, they broke them ......

...... and they put us in machine guns several times more in close combat ...
To oppose one to the other is primitive and unprofessional.

[Hort]

According to him, “in the hand-to-hand combat, the Russian commando is the best military man in the world.”

yeah, only here "To engage in hand-to-hand combat, a special forces soldier must lose on the battlefield: an automatic machine, a gun, a knife, a waist belt, a shoulder blade, body armor, and a helmet.
Find a flat area on which not a single stone or stick is lying. Find on it the same idiot.
And engage in hand-to-hand combat. "

[urman]

I read somewhere.
There the commando, said, the best method of hand-to-hand combat is a charged AKM.

[urman]

There is still a playful saying.
Airborne forces from heaven to earth and into battle, special forces from heaven to earth and into bushes.
Detected intelligence group assigned to life, very little.
This is only in the cinema, In the zone of special attention, they ran there for a long time, in a real B O, they would crumble them for half an hour.

[haenx]

According to Stalin, the enemy attacked treacherously, according to historical data, the Germans and their allies were in excess. Also, according to Academician Fursov Andrei Ilyich, the whole industry of Europe and the US financial and material assistance were opposed against the Soviet Union. In this aggravating state, the Stalinists (Bolsheviks), having broken the fifth column, turned the tide of the war from an unprofitable position. In view of the foregoing, without heroism the soldiers of the red army in any case could not have done.

[andrew42]

Yeah, the article. .. For whom? "They didn’t boast about the army, but boasted about ratting out." In children's tales they write. The best special forces is the one about which practically nothing is known, and only the result is known. And we believe in our special forces. Advertising is useless.

[Uma palata]

Nah, our special forces are better and sharpened for the task in any conditions. Well, the means of suppressing electronic equipment will be used, and that the Americans, in what place will they insert all their high-tech gadgets? And if in a confined space, where only your body is placed sideways? Reason, physo, reaction, skills are all and nothing but this. And work.

The doctor told how they intersected, he was a graduate of the Soviet still military medical academy. In one unpleasant hot place, it was neighing - their specials were called blacks, the Americans ran in the heat, and hooves to the side, they cramped, they gave them a helicopter, they cried on the air, they say, take it away. Ours sat peacefully where necessary as needed, carried out what was required and at the same time considered these "climatic" losses. Only then they were very surprised that like Negroes, by their nature, should be more resistant to such a climate.

[Stepan Mikhalkov]

The one who served will not let you lie. In words, everything is always fine in the army, but in reality it turns out quite awkwardly.
I will give examples from history. The Red Army was the strongest, and in 1941 fled to Moscow.
A more recent example is Chernobyl. In the USSR, civil defense and chemical forces were almost exemplary. Chernobyl happened - there were not even respirators and dosimeters.
Therefore, I am inclined to think that we should not engage in encouraging ourselves. There will be a war, scuffle will not be needed at all, all this is superfluous. Except for the skill, there are rats and vipers.
If the Americans switched to technology, then they care about people. Therefore, they have a huge advantage. All these special forces are a fairy tale like Rambo. Some say, others hang ears. The army should be modern, and not run in the 21st century with knives and binoculars through the bushes.