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China has tested the airship-hunter aircraft carriers

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China has tested a new helium stratospheric airship Yuanmeng, capable of rising to an altitude of 100 kilometers, reports "Russian newspaper" with reference to People's Daily Online.




The aircraft of the new type is filled with 18 in thousands of cubic meters of helium and can be airborne for up to 48 hours. In its upper part there are solar panels that generate electricity for engines, and communication and reconnaissance equipment is located in the gondola.

The Chinese authorities did not provide information on the appointment of a new airship, however, according to experts at People's Daily Online, he may become a hunter for enemy aircraft carrier orders.

“Yuanmeng could be the pinnacle of the military food chain, hovering high above the South China Sea in search of targets. Together with the information collected by the satellites, aviation, with submarines and drones, Yuanmeng will allow the People’s Liberation Army of China to get a complete picture of the naval theater of war, ”the article says.

The aircraft will operate at altitudes that are inaccessible to most modern air defense systems.

“The main problem in creating an almost cosmic airship was a sharp temperature differential day and night,” said Yuanmeng development team leader, academician Yu Quan.
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  1. Penetrator
    Penetrator 26 October 2015 10: 42 New
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    What can you imagine when there is no full-fledged satellite constellation. smile А название статьи вообще убило "Дирижабль-охотник за авианосцами", ага. Следующим будет "Воздушный змей-перехватчик МБР"?
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 26 October 2015 10: 43 New
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      Is it really easier to lift the apparatus of air almost into space?


      Quote: Penetrator
      What can you imagine when there is no full-fledged satellite constellation.


      The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship




      1. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 26 October 2015 10: 45 New
        +7
        In China, tests of the new helium stratospheric airship Yuanmeng, capable of rising to a height of 100 kilometers, ...
        - from article

        Well, give the Chinese, the space blimp did! laughing laughing laughing
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 26 October 2015 11: 19 New
          +7
          Quote: vladimirZ
          The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

          Maybe a satellite in geostationary orbit. He is more inaccessible.

          In addition, when it comes to countering the Americans, each destroyer of the URO class has Standard-3 missiles that hit targets at an altitude of 250 km. What is a fixed dimensional airship at an altitude of 100 km.

          In an era when anti-satellite weapons are gaining momentum, such means as an airship (aerostat, etc.) are simply useless.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 26 October 2015 11: 44 New
            +8
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            What is a fixed dimensional airship at an altitude of 100 km.

            In an era when anti-satellite weapons are gaining momentum, such means as an airship (aerostat, etc.) are simply useless.

            "неподвижный габаритный дирижабль" :))))))))))))))))
            First, try to find it ...
            If its characteristics practically do not differ from the surrounding environment and are made of absorbing materials ... Stealth technology in its purest form!
            С другой стороны надутые фольгированные шары - легкая и дешовая обманка - сотнями парящая в районе патрулирования...Попробуй выдели "истинную цель"!
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 26 October 2015 12: 10 New
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              Quote: Rus2012
              . Stealth technology in its purest form!
              С другой стороны надутые фольгированные шары - легкая и дешовая обманка - сотнями парящая в районе патрулирования...Попробуй выдели "истинную цель"!

              This is a development that will be implemented in 5-7 years. At what level will there be anti-satellite weapons of other countries by that time, including detection means, which will inevitably develop due to their high demand.

              Objectively, it will be possible to look at the possibility of practicality and expediency of such an airship in 2020.
            2. Falcon
              Falcon 26 October 2015 12: 23 New
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              Quote: Rus2012
              "неподвижный габаритный дирижабль" :))))))))))))))))
              First, try to find it ...
              If its characteristics practically do not differ from the surrounding environment and are made of absorbing materials ... Stealth technology in its purest form!


              It should at least have a power source, radar and transmitter.

              It is very easy to detect, the more against the background of space and not the earth. There’s nothing to bring down.
              1. kizhe
                kizhe 26 October 2015 13: 22 New
                0
                Not so pessimistic. Need to be-knocked down (or knocked down).
              2. Bayonet
                Bayonet 26 October 2015 16: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Falcon
                There’s nothing to bring down.

                For a long time already there is something! Anti-satellite missiles launched from aircraft easily get low-orbit spacecraft. hi
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 26 October 2015 18: 14 New
                  +1
                  but the Chinese are well done anyway. Constantly coming up with something against the USA AUG

                  И баллистические ракеты у них уже есть против авианосцев, и беспилотники дальние для контроля, и ПКР делают - теперь "дирижабль"

                  I’m sure that by the announced dates (the Chinese general promised 10-15 years), China will have the opportunity to face Japan and the United States on the Pacific Ocean (+ the Russian fleet in allies)
            3. Penetrator
              Penetrator 26 October 2015 12: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: Rus2012
              . Stealth technology in its purest form!
              С другой стороны надутые фольгированные шары - легкая и дешовая обманка - сотнями парящая в районе патрулирования...Попробуй выдели "истинную цель"!

              Ага, а солнечные батареи такого размера не, никак не обнаружить? А фольгированный шар, как Вы на такую высоту доставлять собираетесь? Ну, предположим, каким-то образом, доставили, так ложная цель будет на месте стоять, изображая дирижабль? Все ваши "легкие и дешевые обманки" соберутся в кучку и отдрейфуют с воздушными потоками. Или не в кучку, но всё равно улетят smile
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 26 October 2015 13: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Penetrator
                solar panels of this size cannot be detected

                ... for starters, they stand on top. Secondly, the new solar cells are film and flexible.
                About -
                Quote: Penetrator
                A foil ball

                эта та же синтетическая пленка, основа современных и будущих ЛА легче воздуха, только слегка "для радиовидимости" с легким вакуумным напылением...
                Quote: Penetrator
                сВсе ваши "легкие и дешевые обманки" соберутся в кучку и отдрейфуют с воздушными потоками.

                - it already depends on the tactics of their joint application, taking into account the conditions and given flight characteristics, don’t you?
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 26 October 2015 13: 37 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  it already depends on the tactics of their joint application, taking into account the conditions and given characteristics of the flight, don’t you?

                  No, I can’t find it. So you have not answered the question, how are you going to uncontrollable false goals to give characteristics of a practically motionless airship?
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 26 October 2015 13: 50 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Penetrator
                    how are you going to uncontrollable false targets to give the characteristics of a practically motionless airship?

                    ...мужик, вы что, действительно хотите чтобы вам раскрыли тактику и технологии маскировки и создания "ложных целей" в этой области?
                    laughing
                    Think for yourself ...
                    1. Penetrator
                      Penetrator 26 October 2015 16: 52 New
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                      Quote: Rus2012
                      Think for yourself ...

                      Fucking answer. It seems you yourself do not know him. Even at the level of assumptions.
                      1. Rus2012
                        Rus2012 26 October 2015 18: 09 New
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                        Quote: Penetrator
                        Fucking answer. It seems you yourself do not know him. Even at the level of assumptions.

                        ... let it be for you Fucked up. You can express yourself stronger, but oh well - the Lord is the judge!

                        PS: My classmate and friend is engaged in them, and already with 2 decades ...
                      2. Penetrator
                        Penetrator 26 October 2015 18: 26 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Rus2012
                        My classmate and friend is engaged in them, and since the twentieth anniversary ..

                        Judging by the fact that Russia has no obvious shifts (in two decades) in this area, your friend is simply getting his salary in vain. Or does he work for the Chinese? wink
        2. sniper
          sniper 26 October 2015 11: 56 New
          +8
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          Maybe a satellite in geostationary orbit. He is more inaccessible.

          If I don’t confuse anything, then the geostationary orbit is in the plane of the equator and at an altitude of about 36 kilometers ... So there’s a little sense from such a remote spy ...
          1. just exp
            just exp 26 October 2015 12: 54 New
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            with good equipment, it is quite capable of detecting AUG.
          2. delvin-fil
            delvin-fil 26 October 2015 16: 45 New
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            There is also geosynchronous. It's like in the pictures of the MCC. In the form of a figure eight. May be below 20000 km. above sea level.
        3. Falcon
          Falcon 26 October 2015 12: 14 New
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          Quote: _Vladislav_
          What is a fixed dimensional airship at an altitude of 100 km.


          Nonsense. The article has a typo. An aerostat cannot rise to a height of 100km. He will not overcome the force of gravity.



          In the best case, there will be km in the 50 area.

          There’s nothing to bring down.

          KKV from sm-3 does not work there. Such a blank cannot fly in the densities of mesosweers. Fall apart.



          And other air defense does not operate above 35-40km. Since aerodynamic rudders are not effective in low density.


          1. srha
            srha 26 October 2015 13: 37 New
            +5
            Yeah, 100 km, an aircraft carrier fighter, the top of the military “food chain”, soaring high, at the maritime theater of war ...

            The article is again from the category - for humanities, managers with other office plankton and superiors.

            Им даже тяжело догадаться и залезть в ВИКИ посмотреть "рекорд для беспилотного аэростата составляет 51,8 км", так как логические связи аэростат-дирижабль-стратосфера отсутствуют. Не буду говорить уж о том, что стратосфера на 50 км кончается и начинается мезосфера, что отличается понижением температуры после стратопаузы. О расчете подъемной силы с плотностью воздуха на высоте 100 км - 0,000555 грамм на кубометр, с чего следует вообще-то начинать, я сначала и писать не хотел, но после двухчасового ржача нашёл силы привести расчет - 0,000555 * 18000 кубов = 10 грамм или, 0,01 кг - ух-ха-ха... ten gram carrier hunter.

            Or maybe science and education have already died?
            1. Penetrator
              Penetrator 26 October 2015 17: 00 New
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              Quote: srha
              Or maybe science and education have already died?

              Не мечите бисер перед представителями отряда неких млекопитающих. Сказали же: "Китайцы попрали все законы физики и химии и смогли создать космический дирижбандель" - значит, так оно и есть. Пусть в китайские народные сказки верят - незачем своей наукой убивать мечту smile
            2. Zefr
              Zefr 27 October 2015 11: 01 New
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              А может, вам тоже залезть в Яндекс, набрать "Космический дирижабль" и посмотреть, что в мире творится?
        4. kizhe
          kizhe 26 October 2015 13: 18 New
          0
          They’ll test it once, and then they will ride tourists.
        5. Bayonet
          Bayonet 26 October 2015 16: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          Maybe a satellite in geostationary orbit. He is more inaccessible.

          How much does he make out from there? All the same, 35786 km. hi
      2. YARUSSIAN39
        YARUSSIAN39 26 October 2015 11: 35 New
        +3
        And what’s funny, our MO seems to be also in the development of airships with a rigid body ..: D
    2. Penetrator
      Penetrator 26 October 2015 10: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: bulvas
      The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

      Only this airship, in the event of nothing, no one is allowed to hang for a long time. Excellent overall fixed target. In addition, I do not believe that the Chinese could lift the airship almost into space. They ride on the ears, and you are being driven.
      1. goose
        goose 26 October 2015 11: 12 New
        +3
        I think he could climb 24 km without problems, or even higher, where the battery power would be several times greater than on the surface. In fact, this means that for medium-range air defense systems it is already slightly vulnerable. Radar visibility is the same in question.
    3. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2015 10: 51 New
      -2
      Quote: bulvas
      The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

      In order for the airship to hang over one place, it must be firmly tied to the fulcrum on the ground, as it was in WWII, otherwise the air currents will carry it to another continent.
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 26 October 2015 10: 54 New
        +3
        Imagine a cable 100 km long ??
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 26 October 2015 11: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Imagine a cable 100 km long ??

          On the fishing line they’ll raise what. laughing
          1. Mikhail Krapivin
            Mikhail Krapivin 26 October 2015 11: 20 New
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            Your will, comrades, but you are not saying something. Why cable 100 km., Why fishing line? With the help of GPRS it will position itself and the engines will constantly adjust its location. And taking into account an unlimited amount of energy, the idea is valid, ours should be adopted. To achieve more time of non-stop work, a greater resource and to problem points - let him hang, watch, listen.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 26 October 2015 11: 38 New
              +8
              In my opinion, the idea is great. For intelligence, for example - for example, a pair of such airships was hung over Ukraine or Syria and we get a constant picture. Everything is simpler and cheaper than launching a new satellite and installing it in a geostationary orbit. MATRASNIKES WILL FINALLY SUCCESS, BUT THERE IS OTHER - UNlikely. AT A HEIGHT OF 100 KM, FAR EVERY COUNTRY HAS MEANS OF DAMAGE. In my opinion, the idea is quite credible. And you never know what you can hang on it - intelligence, drones, for example, weapons. In general, I think that the idea is worthwhile and deserves to be implemented here.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 26 October 2015 12: 08 New
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                for g1v2;
                I totally agree. In Israel, several companies make military balloons:
                RT Aerostats Systems, RAFAEL.
                who sell balloons to our army and police and export to America.
                Balloons operate at altitudes inaccessible to MANPADS and most anti-aircraft guns.

                The Chinese went further with a stratospheric balloon. Well done.
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 26 October 2015 13: 07 New
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  The Chinese went further with a stratospheric balloon. Well done.

                  Это не "стратосферный аэростат", а термосферный. Вообще не представляю, как поведёт себя подобная техника при температуре -90 С.
              2. xtur
                xtur 26 October 2015 15: 44 New
                +1
                >мало ли чего на него навесить можно - средства разведки , беспилотники например , вооружение . В общем считаю, что идея стоящая и заслуживает реализации и у нас.

                Well, yes, for example, a mirror repeater for a center that is on Earth. And if it will be protected by its own air defense / missile defense system, it will not be so easy to bring down
            2. Penetrator
              Penetrator 26 October 2015 11: 45 New
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              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              Using GPRS, it will position itself and the engines will constantly adjust its location

              Do not get tired of adjusting (there are not weak winds)? Plus, a lot of energy will go to the de-icing system. What kind of power should solar panels give out so that all this functions properly? Yes, questions also arise for the lining material .. In my opinion, an unrealizable and meaningless project.
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 26 October 2015 12: 17 New
                +2
                Quote: Penetrator
                Plus, a lot of energy will go to the de-icing system.

                ... the question is - to what heights does the risk of icing extend?
                More precisely, what is the content of water vapor in height? laughing
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 26 October 2015 13: 02 New
                  -2
                  The fact of the matter is that I am confident in the inability of the Chinese to raise such a device above the stratosphere.
            3. Rus2012
              Rus2012 26 October 2015 11: 50 New
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              Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
              our need to adopt

              ... well, where and where, and with us these opportunities have always been in sight. A whole design bureau and factory has always existed in the USSR-RF, in the glorious city of Dolgoprudny ...

              And now the work is in full swing!
              Dozens of different types of aircraft are lighter than air created and tested for various applications ...
        2. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2015 11: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
          Imagine a cable 100 km long ??

          Here I am about the same. Satellite projects with a geostationary orbit and a cable of more than 100 km existed. Currently, there are no materials of the required strength and specific gravity capable of implementing this project, although in the future, with the development of the science of materials science, everything is possible.
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 October 2015 11: 47 New
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        Quote: venaya
        So that the airship hangs over one place

        ... for this he has E engines! laughing
        1. venaya
          venaya 26 October 2015 12: 13 New
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          Quote: Rus2012
          So that the airship hangs over one place ... it has E engines for this!

          In the upper atmosphere, the air velocity is much higher than that of the earth. To stay in one place, with such a windage facility, you need engine power in excess of the power of an economical aircraft. It makes no sense to fence a garden.
          1. Rus2012
            Rus2012 26 October 2015 12: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: venaya
            In the upper atmosphere, the air velocity is much higher

            But bring me the wind speeds at altitudes of 36km ... laughing
            1. venaya
              venaya 26 October 2015 12: 51 New
              -1
              Quote: Rus2012
              But bring me the wind speeds at altitudes of 36km ...

              За счёт трения воздуха, учитывая его вязкость, скорость воздушных потоков уменьшается со снижением высоты. Это общий закон. "... wind speeds at 36 km" - учитывая сверхнизкую плотность и вязкость остатков атмосферы на этих высотах, возможная скорость потоков ещё выше. Проанализируйте самостоятельно.
              1. Rus2012
                Rus2012 26 October 2015 13: 30 New
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                Quote: venaya
                , air velocity decreases with decreasing altitude. This is a general law. Given the ultra-low density and viscosity of atmospheric residues at these altitudes, the possible flow rates are even higher. Analyze yourself.


                ... speed of what and relative to what?
                Или вы путаете "скорости перемещения масс" с "путевой" и "приборной"?
                Дирижаблю нет необходимости "идти против ветра", они как правило, летают используя направления и розу ветров.

                Getsteam stream flows (stream) can have speeds 100-400km / h, affect only ground speed. As in physics, with the passing one it develops with the speed of truth, and the counter component is subtracted from the truth ..
                With height, the wind intensifies relative to the earth (a stationary observer) and, as a result of the Coriolis acceleration, turns to the right.
                In our hemisphere, western winds prevail (from where to where).

                "Болтанка" ЛА возникает при входе зону струйного течения, при схождении и расхождении потоков, при резком изменении направления потока.

                Below is the wind speed in height relative to the ground ...
                1. Penetrator
                  Penetrator 26 October 2015 13: 44 New
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                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Дирижаблю нет необходимости "идти против ветра", они как правило, летают используя направления и розу ветров.

                  Так, я не понял, как это нет необходимости "идти против ветра"? Китайцами этот аппарат именно для наблюдения создан, то есть должен находится в определенном районе. А, по Вашему, пусть летит произвольным курсом "используя направления и розу ветров"?
                  1. Rus2012
                    Rus2012 26 October 2015 14: 04 New
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                    Quote: Penetrator
                    that is, it must be located in a specific area.

                    ...меняя курс, направление, высоту, с тем чтобы используя ветер (силу и направление)он может - "барражировать в заданном районе".
                    Включая режимы "зависания" - динамическим парированием параметров потока с помощью своих движителей.
                    1. Penetrator
                      Penetrator 26 October 2015 17: 08 New
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                      Quote: Rus2012
                      .меняя курс, направление, высоту, с тем чтобы используя ветер (силу и направление)он может - "барражировать в заданном районе".

                      And, shining with its solar battery, give out its location in space? But what about the invisibility declared by you? Confused, dear?
      3. Zefr
        Zefr 27 October 2015 11: 08 New
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        Wait. That alone they say, he can not rise, because there is no air, and then there is a version that it will blow away with the wind (!). So is there air or not?
        And it is said that it does not hang for a long time, only two days. So it can’t. Perhaps it needs to be refueled for corrective jet (possibly) engines.
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 26 October 2015 10: 52 New
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      Quote: bulvas
      The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

      Geostationary orbit.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 October 2015 11: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: lelikas
        Geostationary orbit.

        And what can he discover with 36tkm?
        That's right - only torches starting ICBMs ...
    5. Now we are free
      Now we are free 26 October 2015 10: 53 New
      +8
      Count Zeppelin is returning ...
      I remember how he bombed London at an altitude beyond the reach of the English fighters. Now it is the turn of the Americans with their aircraft carriers ...
      Of course, all this can be a fake thrown by the Chinese, BUT after a missile salvo from the Caspian Sea through the territory of Syria, I personally am not surprised at anything in this world ...
    6. roman_pilot
      roman_pilot 26 October 2015 11: 12 New
      +1
      Really ?! Have you heard about the geostationary orbit?
    7. shuhartred
      shuhartred 26 October 2015 11: 37 New
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      Quote: bulvas
      The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

      Geostationary will be. The height of the orbit is 36000 km.
    8. Maksus
      Maksus 26 October 2015 11: 37 New
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      The stratostat with Baumgartner rose to 39 068. The question is, will this Chinese be inhabited or unmanned?
    9. just exp
      just exp 26 October 2015 12: 53 New
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      will be called a geostationary satellite.
    10. Blondy
      Blondy 26 October 2015 13: 07 New
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      Guys, 100 km is journalistic ravings
      There, atmospheric pressure is 2,4 * 10-4 mmHg (-4 - degree), i.e. almost a vacuum - what kind of ballooning airships can.
      1. srha
        srha 26 October 2015 13: 44 New
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        Quote: Blondy
        this is journalistic nonsense
        Now, I not only fall in love with blondes, but also begin to respect them.
    11. mealnik2005
      mealnik2005 26 October 2015 13: 27 New
      +1
      "Спутник не будет висеть над одним местом, как дирижабль"

      You tell this satellite dish ...):
    12. Bayonet
      Bayonet 26 October 2015 16: 30 New
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

      It will be at an altitude of 35786 km. and then over the equator smile
    13. varov14
      varov14 28 October 2015 18: 30 New
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      Something, I doubt that he will hang in one place, he is strong for 48 hours, apparently so that he does not take far from the house.
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  3. Same lech
    Same lech 26 October 2015 10: 48 New
    +9
    then you can’t imagine when there is no full-fledged satellite constellation.

    Well, it’s cheap and cheerful and can completely replace the low-orbit constellation of satellites in terms of efficiency and low cost.

    However, it’s difficult to imagine 100 km of altitude .... it’s hard to imagine .... how much time it will rise and fall.
  4. Oladushkin
    Oladushkin 26 October 2015 11: 04 New
    +5
    Вы зря смеетесь. Сейчас стиль ведения войны это стиль экономический. Вы думаете подорвал вражеский авианосец-уничтожил просто корабль как военную силу? Нет правильно читать между строк надо так - нанёс ущерб в столько-то мильярдов денег. И поэтому 1 недорогой дирижабль,который "сверху" видит почти как дорогой спутник будет очень кстати против дорогущих "игрушек" Пентагона.

    In order to kill a fly, you will not even run after it with a plasmogan or aim a robot at it in the 21 century? It’s easier to take a fly swatter, not to lie a sample, since the 10 century :) (presumably)
    1. Temples
      Temples 26 October 2015 11: 13 New
      0
      How is confidence that an airship is inexpensive?
      Has anyone already climbed 100km on a similar technique?
      If everything is so cheap and just like that, why are there no examples?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 October 2015 12: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Temples
        How is confidence that an airship is inexpensive?
        Has anyone already climbed 100km on a similar technique?
        If everything is so cheap and just like that, why are there no examples?

        Here are some examples ...
        40km - quite achievable. And with new materials and higher ...
        1. Temples
          Temples 26 October 2015 14: 25 New
          +1
          Do you really think that 40km and 100km are nearby ???
          In this case, there’s nothing to talk about.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 26 October 2015 13: 15 New
        -2
        Quote: Temples
        How is confidence that an airship is inexpensive?

        laughing I think in comparing the lower cost of the airship or hundreds of airships with the cost of one aircraft carrier - the victory will obviously not be the last.
        1. Temples
          Temples 26 October 2015 14: 30 New
          +1
          I think in comparing the lower cost of the airship or hundreds of airships with the cost of one aircraft carrier - the victory will obviously not be the last.

          So you first create ONE airship, which is ABLE to climb 100km.
          And then tell me how much this event got up.
          And then think and guess.

          ps By American standards, this is generally space!
          According to the classification of the United States Air Force (United States Air Force, United State Air Forces, USAF), a space flight is considered to be a flight whose height exceeds 50 miles (80 km 467 m).
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 26 October 2015 18: 31 New
            +1
            Quote: Temples
            So you first create ONE airship, which is ABLE to climb 100km.

            belay And why exactly 100 km is needed? why not choose 40-50 as the most optimal?
    2. The Chat
      The Chat 26 October 2015 13: 41 New
      +2
      How can a metal cylinder of helium with a volume of 18 thousand cubic meters be inexpensive, despite the fact that helium is terribly flowing, the smallest hole - and there is none ..., incl. it’s enough with some kind of laser (from a satellite or from the earth) or just a micro-rocket, which will fly up to 100 km up to reach this giant (!!!) target - and there is none ....
  5. Rus2012
    Rus2012 26 October 2015 11: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: Penetrator
    What can you imagine when there is no full-fledged satellite constellation.

    ... finally, stratospheric balloons and high-altitude airships are much cheaper. As a conclusion to the duty height, and production. Many companies in the world have been doing this right now. Both in matters of intelligence, surveillance, and for communication purposes.
    There is a project of round-the-world 24-hour polar stratostats.
    placed solar panels that generate electricity for engines

    ... there is a problem in the types of propulsion - the propeller is not good. But I know one young Russian genius who solved this problem! :)

    * There are doubts that the altitude will reach 100km. Here is 40-60 - quite ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 October 2015 12: 06 New
      +1
      ... what kind of pi ... is it minus?
      Для "умнеГов" - а как будет строится система наблюдения, разведки и целеуказания в полярных областях Арктики, куда сейчас целый военный округ РФ "заточен"?
      Вот именно круглосуточными квази гелиостационарными" 24-часовыми стратостатами-дирижаблями!
      Для неучей - спутник "повесить" на полюсе - нереально...
    2. Penetrator
      Penetrator 26 October 2015 17: 23 New
      -2
      Quote: Rus2012
      there is doubt that the altitude will reach 100km. Here 40-60 - quite.

      Damn, what was I originally talking about ?! About the stratosphere! And you, personally, were rubbing me here about the hundred-kilometer height achieved by this device. Did you turn on the back?
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 26 October 2015 18: 14 New
        0
        Quote: Penetrator
        And you, personally, were rubbing me here about the hundred-kilometer height achieved by this device.

        ... re-read all my posts on the topic! negative
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  6. i80186
    i80186 26 October 2015 11: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Penetrator
    Следующим будет "Воздушный змей-перехватчик МБР"

    In 2005, the Pentagon announced the development of a program for the construction of military balloons and airships, which will operate in the uppermost layers of the atmosphere, almost at the lower boundary of space. These balloons will keep in touch, carry out reconnaissance from the stratosphere, in which airplanes cannot fly.
    In 2005, the Pentagon's Advanced Defense Research Projects Agency (DARPA) also commissioned the U.S. Air Force to conduct research into the development of a reconnaissance balloon capable of operating on the upper border of the stratosphere, that is, at an altitude of about 80 km. In fact, it will be a suborbital apparatus.
    (W) smile
    Such are the things. If the Chinese really succeeded, then only one thing can be said - handsome.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 October 2015 12: 07 New
      -1
      Quote: i80186
      If the Chinese really succeeded, then only one thing can be said - handsome.

      ... yes, and we are not far behind bully
    2. Penetrator
      Penetrator 26 October 2015 17: 16 New
      -2
      Quote: i80186
      Such are the things. If the Chinese really succeeded, then only one thing can be said - handsome.

      You can draw a lot of beautiful pictures. And the Americans, instead of engaging in similar projects, would at least bring their conventional weapons to mind. At least the same F-35th or even the notorious missile defense system.
  7. Vek
    Vek 26 October 2015 16: 38 New
    0
    Quote: Penetrator
    What can you imagine when there is no full-fledged satellite constellation. smile А название статьи вообще убило "Дирижабль-охотник за авианосцами", ага. Следующим будет "Воздушный змей-перехватчик МБР"?

    In general, YES =))) the title of the article is gasping =))) Bliiiinnnn, the author of the ukroSMI campaign re-read and learned a lot from there =))) The main thing is a powerful headline, and the censor doesn’t bite the aftara for the campaign, but our orderlies managed to introduce an antidote before the patient passed away. Unfortunately, the poison managed to disrupt some of the mosquito’s neural connections and the article does not quite match the title =))))
  8. varov14
    varov14 28 October 2015 18: 33 New
    0
    Видимо у них настолько высокоточные бомбы, что со ста км попадут в "Футбольное поле, завидуйте.
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  • Scoun
    Scoun 26 October 2015 10: 44 New
    +5
    Что то мне на память приходит стёб Павла Воли из камеди... о том что в Скольково разработали дирижабль в жесткой оболочке... ))) Хотя жесткие дирижабли ещё по графу Цеппелину называют "цеппелинами".
    it’s necessary to google this topic ... but the airship building was bent after a series of terrible disasters .. maybe modern technology will breathe life into the industry that came with aeronautics together but ahead of its time.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 October 2015 12: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Scoun
      But the blimp was bent

      ... in the Union it never finally bent!
      Почитайте историю Долгопруднинского КБ "Дирижаблестроения"...
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 26 October 2015 12: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Rus2012
        Read the story

        At one time I read a lot about airships and their inglorious demise ... but the issue with airships is still not closed .. even as a TRUCK, an airship is a great thing .. that's just to make it less combustible, dangerous and safer.
    2. Zefr
      Zefr 27 October 2015 11: 29 New
      0
      I never watched Comedy, but all of Volya’s appearances in him are somehow ragged. As if he woke up one morning and was very surprised by the world around him.
  • jaguarstas
    jaguarstas 26 October 2015 10: 46 New
    -1
    Speed ​​characteristics are very modest.
    Big target and no armor. Etc.
    The pros are clearly not enough to outweigh the cons.
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 26 October 2015 10: 52 New
      +4
      ага, конечно. особенно "брони нет" бгг))) её как таковой, практически и на самолётах нет.
      по теме, Китайцы опять удивили! насколько я знаю, дирижабль (управляемый) на 100 км в высоту ещё никто не запускал, а это по сути дела - нижняя часть космоса. данный дирижабль может быть прекрасной альтернативой низковысотным "одноразовым" спутникам (разведка, ретрансляция и даже ДРЛО)! серьёзное оружие, конечно, пока врядтли сможет нести. это как вариант "асимметричных" мер борьбы. 100км - дирижабль, просто очень впечатляет! интересно, за счёт чего он передвигается? там же уже практически вакуум, движение с помощью винтов и турбореактивных двигателей практически не возможно.. может кто подскажет? или там жрд для корректировки направления движения?
      1. Yon_Silent
        Yon_Silent 26 October 2015 11: 30 New
        +5
        As a propulsor under such conditions (at 100 km of flight altitude), only the reactive principle can be used. If something else could have been done, then they would have worked for a long time on satellites.
        The question here is different. Preamble: there are so-called automatic drifting balloons (ADS) with a flight altitude of up to 40 km (on average). At the same time, the volume for a closed-type balloon (the smallest) that lifts a centner load is about 30 thousand cubic meters. For a free-type ADA, this figure is even higher ... there it can reach up to 80 thousand m3. This is due to the fact that the Archimedean force is directly proportional to the pressure difference in the shell and overboard. At altitudes of 40 km and above, this difference becomes miserable - so you have to get the right value by increasing the volume. In addition to the fact that the film thickness should not exceed 20 microns, otherwise it will not reach the desired height.
        Now the ambulance: and at what height can a Chinese balloon with a volume of 18 thousand cubic meters be able to rise, if we assume that the mass of the structure and the payload is not more than 100 kg? (which is a big understatement, because an unmanned airship is structurally more complicated than a usual drone - there should be gas ballons and a valve system, a battery station, a temperature control system, heating of important components, etc.). Places where the shell structurally has stress concentrators (tail tail adjoining, suspension, cable routes, bow reinforcement) should be reinforced - there the thickness can in no way be less than a millimeter - also weighting.
        I am inclined to believe that the figure of 100 km is a little exaggerated and an extra zero is attributed. The figure of 10 km is more real.
  • venaya
    venaya 26 October 2015 10: 47 New
    +2
    capable of rising to a height of 100 kilometers

    We closely monitor the handles. We are waiting for reports on the establishment of a new world record for the height of lifting devices lighter than air.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 26 October 2015 11: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: venaya
      We closely monitor the handles. We are waiting for reports on the establishment of a new world record for the height of lifting devices lighter than air.

      So far it has been rising no higher than 20 km. The name Yuanmeng is Dream.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 26 October 2015 17: 20 New
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        So far it has been rising no higher than 20 km. The name Yuanmeng - in translation Dream

        Alexei, do you understand that this phrase destroyed the world of children's fantasies? Here a lot of people believed in the practical implementation of such a project, and you ... How not ashamed! laughing
  • tchoni
    tchoni 26 October 2015 10: 50 New
    -4
    Height may not become an obstacle to the American system of ...
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 26 October 2015 10: 58 New
      +7
      The aircraft of the new type is filled with 18 in thousands of cubic meters of helium and can be airborne for up to 48 hours. In its upper part there are solar panels that generate electricity for engines, and communication and reconnaissance equipment is located in the gondola.
      Something small he will be in the air. How much time will he rise and go into position? How long does it take to get to base? what
      1. Zefr
        Zefr 27 October 2015 11: 36 New
        0
        Я тоже обращаю внимание физиков на это. Висит недолго. Значит топливо заканчивается. При этом "способного подниматься на 100 км". Не летать, а подниматься! Вероятно, в динамическом режиме, на движках.
  • rassom
    rassom 26 October 2015 10: 54 New
    +2
    Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovsky believed that the future lies with missiles and airships.
  • pvv113
    pvv113 26 October 2015 10: 56 New
    +3
    can be in the air for up to 48 hours

    Interestingly, and by what parameters is this time limited?
    1. venaya
      venaya 26 October 2015 15: 22 New
      0
      Quote: pvv113
      can be in the air for up to 48 hours
      Interestingly, and by what parameters is this time limited?

      Время ограничивается только необходимостью дозаправки, так сказать, "солнечных батарей".
  • Engineer
    Engineer 26 October 2015 11: 02 New
    +4
    Quote: bulvas
    The satellite will not hang over one place, like an airship

    About geostationary did not even hear? The satellite is not subject to icing and wind is not an obstacle to it. But this sailing is huge, and stratospheric winds are not even earthly hurricanes for you. Well, no one canceled the icing due to large temperature differences. In general, for the time being it smells like a fake to me like with an anti-ship missile, which somehow got into a path in the sand using a radar head. It’s ridiculous.
    1. NOMADE
      NOMADE 26 October 2015 11: 09 New
      +1
      да, согласен. как то информационным "вбросом" попахивает.. всё-таки, 100 км высоты для дирижабля, это не шутка, а уже серьёзная заявка.. хотелось бы конечно ошибаться, но..
  • pts-m
    pts-m 26 October 2015 11: 04 New
    0
    you look. the clever Katayans still begin to conduct experiments with a cable league to hold the space station and deliver all kinds of goods along the cable. so the speed of the Earth’s rotation might decrease or a huge surface crusher will be pulled out of the planet. wow, there will be a problem.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 26 October 2015 11: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: PTS-m
      or a huge kusman of the surface is pulled out of the planet. wow, there will be a problem.

      Will the Chinese send themselves into space? With all of China? laughing
  • Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 26 October 2015 11: 06 New
    +5
    Не забывайте сколько на крови попортили стратосферные зонды, которые использовали для разведки наши "заклятые партнеры" в 60-е годы. Даже сейчас нет достаточно эффективных средств борьбы с ними, с точки зрения- "стоимость-эффективность".
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 October 2015 20: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Не забывайте сколько на крови попортили стратосферные зонды, которые использовали для разведки наши "заклятые партнеры" в 60-е годы. Даже сейчас нет достаточно эффективных средств борьбы с ними

      + 1! Exactly!
      Школьники-двоечники и тупые креаклы-"минусометы" представления не имеющие как о проблемах перехвата, так и строительства современных ЛА легче воздуха - несут пургу о легкости уничтожения и о невозможности построения таких аппаратов!

      Link - Охота на стратостаты – от "кошек" до ракет
      http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2011-02-25/12_stratostaty.html
      At the beginning of the 60 of the XX century, at the height of the Cold War, it became known about violations of the USSR state border by “meteorological probes” in the Baltic region. Several similar cases have been reported on the southern borders. Weather balloons were shot down by fighter aircraft. When the "probes" began to appear over the USSR regularly, it was discovered that in containers suspended from them were equipment for aerial photography and anti-Soviet literature.

      The ball was a multi-sectional structure, and if one of the sections was damaged, then this did not affect the lifting force of the ball. It was known that a ball having in the lower half of the “hole” remained in the air even before 12 hours.

      Gradually, the design of the "weather balloons", the material from which they were made, the contents of the suspension changed. The material was thinning and hardening, the diameter of the shells grew, and the suspension became heavier. At first, the flight altitude was several kilometers, then it increased so much that the probes became unattainable for fighter aircraft. Its attacks were increasingly unsuccessful, which led to the penetration of "weather balloons" deep into our territory. There was a need for a serious assessment at first glance of a new real threat that arose from nothing.
      It was decided to conduct military exercises to assess the effectiveness of the fight against the "balls" using all available in the arsenal of the Air Force and Air Defense aircraft equipment and weapons.

      To this end, according to Alexander Makurenkov, in the summer of 1970, a group of specialists was formed, consisting of military and civilians, led by aviation marshal Savitsky. At one of the air bases, they assembled domestic aviation equipment designed to intercept and destroy all types of air targets. All Soviet firms that developed fighter jets, interceptors, aircraft weapons and weapons, airborne radars, radar and other weapons control systems were represented here.

      By that time, a sufficient number of "weather balloons" had been shot down and their design analyzed. Among experts, “weather balloons” by that time received the name - automatic drifting balloon (ADA).

      The ADA was well detected visually and P40P guided missiles were launched, having a warhead weighing 50 kg, P98, C5 and C9 unguided missiles, and an air gun was used. The tests gave interesting results. Heavy guided missiles were powerless against the ADA - they passed through it, leaving a hole equal to the diameter of the rocket, the fuses did not fire, and the ADA remained in the air. Unguided shells also proved to be ineffective for the same reasons. The best results were obtained when firing from aircraft guns, the shells of which had particularly sensitive fuses. But this turned out to be an ineffective means of combating ADA ...
  • edeligor
    edeligor 26 October 2015 11: 07 New
    +3
    Do not tell my tomatoes! laughing Наши "многочисленный числом" восточный союзник изобрел дирижабль для выхода в космос? Ну это как минимум ПРОРЫВ! Теперича моно практически бесплатно выводить груз на околоземную орбиту! Автору - 1, и маленькую сносочку для развития: The International Aviation Union established a 100km outer space boundary, because at this altitude the first space velocity is needed to create lift.
    1. srha
      srha 26 October 2015 14: 00 New
      +1
      Все же это разные вещи, достигнуть 100 км высоты, говорят (я не совсем верю), что это было сделано ФАУ в 40-х годах 20 века, или "выводить груз на околоземную орбиту", так чтобы не упало. Разница в потребной энергии на порядок. Можете сами посчитать необходимые для преодоления земного притяжения затраты на кинетическую (скорость) и потенциальную (высота) энергии.
      And so, completely agree with you, crazy article.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 October 2015 11: 08 New
    +6
    Ну бред же. Аэростаты еле еле на 40 км забираются, подъемной силы не хватает. В почти вакууме на 100 км высоте вес оболочек уже нечем будет компенсировать. Ну китайцы - это такие китайцы... и законы физики у них - китайские. Не такие, как у "Лао Ваев".
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 October 2015 11: 12 New
    +2
    It would be better if they did not do it. Some kind of creative impotence. After all, you can create a drone for an altitude of 10 km., By the way, the Raptor in my opinion just flies at such an altitude. I’m not talking about satellites. After all, Rogozin suggested that we buy rocket engines from us, and go ahead.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 26 October 2015 11: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: pvv113
    can be in the air for up to 48 hours

    Interestingly, and by what parameters is this time limited?

    Crew breathing reserve.
  • roskot
    roskot 26 October 2015 11: 27 New
    +1
    Chinese know-how. The move for the Americans.
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 26 October 2015 11: 32 New
    +2
    if you don’t go into technical details, the idea is not bad.
  • Whowhy
    Whowhy 26 October 2015 11: 35 New
    +2
    For a helium airship, the altitude limit is 22km.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 26 October 2015 14: 48 New
      +3
      You have a bit outdated information.
      The current record was set on October 24, 2014 by Alan Eustace, climbing to a height of about 41 meters in a spacesuit attached to a balloon over the US state of New Mexico.

      The altitude record for the unmanned ball is 53,0 km (173 feet). The ball was launched by JAXA on May 882, 25 from Iwate Prefecture, Japan. This is the highest altitude ever achieved by a balloon apparatus.

      Both numbers fit between 20-100km.)
  • lilian
    lilian 26 October 2015 11: 39 New
    +1
    In some sources, the figure of 48 hours appears as the duration of a test flight, in another, questionable for me, as autonomy. Most likely the first is more correct. It indicates autonomy for half a year, this already explains the presence of solar panels, otherwise what for they are needed.

    The Chinese did not say why they need this airship, so its role as an aircraft carrier hunter is fiction. It is possible that about the ceiling of 100 km fantasized. After all, its mover is a screw. The role of the airship, as I understand it, is the communication center. This is not bad, he doesn’t even need to be in the front line, from a height of several tens of kilometers hundreds of thousands of square kilometers are accessible to him.
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  • imugn
    imugn 26 October 2015 11: 44 New
    +1
    For those who are too lazy to search:

    The geostationary orbit can only be accurately provided on a circle located directly above the equator, with a height very close to 35 km
  • nrex
    nrex 26 October 2015 11: 45 New
    +1
    Все правильно. Подсмотрели у ИГИЛ презерватив со взрывчаткой и выдумали дерижбандель космический. Всем хочется что то новенькое придумать, ну хоть нафантазировать. А то Россия с Арменикой Ближний Восток окучивают, а эти остались не у дел. Да звучит как грозно, "дирижабль-охотник за авианосцами"
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 26 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +4
    At a height of 100 km, an airship can take off only if it is equipped with a rocket engine.
    Archimedean lifting force is too small at this height.
    1,80E + 04 m3 airship volume filled with helium
    5,55E-07 kg / m3 air density at an altitude of 100km
    9,99E-03 kg Archimedean lift
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 26 October 2015 11: 49 New
    -2
    Да ладно с охотой на авианосцев, вот почему не попробовать сделать из него воздушный старт, вытаскивает на подвеске ракету ну км на 50, сбрасывает, та запускает двигатели и айда на орбиту? Интересная инженерная задача, в отличие от этих "убийц авианосцев":-)
    1. The Chat
      The Chat 26 October 2015 13: 51 New
      0
      To lift a rocket weighing several tons on an airship, calculate the volume of the airship ... better from a slingshot - a million Chinese people pull a giant slingshot and shoot the rocket 50 km up. Here it is! This is an interesting engineering task ...
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 27 October 2015 09: 23 New
        0
        Цитата: Le Chat
        To lift a rocket weighing several tons on an airship, calculate the volume of the airship ... better from a slingshot - a million Chinese people pull a giant slingshot and shoot the rocket 50 km up. Here it is! This is an interesting engineering task ...

        laughing Incidentally, the theme of the slingshot was already in development - the only thing there is not a slingshot in real form, but an accelerating shaft of several hundred meters, in which a rocket / projectile was accelerated. Well, space is still in development - there is a desire to create a launch block in orbit of the earth and send satellites and ships to deep space already from there, after collecting the necessary layout directly in orbit.
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 26 October 2015 11: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Jon_ Quiet
    Now the ambulance: and at what height can a Chinese balloon with a volume of 18 thousand cubic meters be able to rise if we assume that the mass of the structure and the payload is not more than 100 kg? (which is a big understatement, because an unmanned airship is structurally more complicated than a usual drone - there should be a valve system, a battery station, a temperature control system, heating of important components, etc.). Places where the shell structurally has stress concentrators (tail tail adjoining, suspension, cable routes, bow reinforcement) should be reinforced - there the thickness can in no way be less than a millimeter - also weighting.

    ... and that’s all, not counting the working fluid and the propulsion system of such a machine itself !!! The result is Doubtful!
  • nrex
    nrex 26 October 2015 12: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: sa-ag
    Да ладно с охотой на авианосцев, вот почему не попробовать сделать из него воздушный старт, вытаскивает на подвеске ракету ну км на 50, сбрасывает, та запускает двигатели и айда на орбиту? Интересная инженерная задача, в отличие от этих "убийц авианосцев":-)

    Respected. To this height, an empty Derzhbandel does not get wet, not like a rocket.
  • brr1
    brr1 26 October 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Они его "темной материей" заполнили что ли? 100 км это серьезно
  • van zai
    van zai 26 October 2015 12: 12 New
    +2
    Просто в Российской газете "нолики попутали" . 10км это вполне то что надо.
  • Riv
    Riv 26 October 2015 12: 16 New
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    Che hardly believes in this superproject. The wind speed in the stratosphere is tens of meters per second. No engine can hold an airship caught in high-altitude air current. The cable will not hold either. During the war, Japanese balloons reached the United States, and even with explosives.
    And above the stratosphere, the air is too discharged (tens of times less pressure than above sea level) and a completely fantastic balloon will be required to lift at least any significant weight. In general, for a device that is lighter than air, the world record for lifting heights is just over 50 km. And here - a hundred.
    Tales of it all.
  • Tjeck
    Tjeck 26 October 2015 12: 32 New
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    [quote = bulvas] Is it really easier to lift the apparatus of air almost into space?


    in military use, of course, nonsense, but you can raise it. here a balloon with an iPhone flew into space:
  • made13
    made13 26 October 2015 12: 59 New
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    Red Alert gains reality :-)
  • Mentat
    Mentat 26 October 2015 13: 45 New
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    Quote: Riv
    In general, for a device that is lighter than air, the world record for lifting heights is just over 50 km. And here - a hundred.
    Tales of it all.

    50 km is not just a record, it is the theoretical maximum lift of the device lighter than air.

    The record for lifting a person on a stratosphere balloon today is 39 km.
    So this is not a fairy tale, but a duck under a side dish of spreading cranberries with noodles.
  • Free Island
    Free Island 26 October 2015 14: 01 New
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    flight time is only 48 hours .. I understand that the Chinese airship will hunt for its own Chinese aircraft carriers in the waters of its own Chinese sea ????
  • classik46
    classik46 26 October 2015 14: 23 New
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    Oh well, yes, well, yes, such stuffing periodically appears. The Chinese can not fight, not their path, and they do not need
  • Wildfox
    Wildfox 26 October 2015 18: 12 New
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    In my opinion, the idea is interesting and realizable, even if not 100 km (this is most likely just the height of the stratosphere added for the wow effect), but let's say the same 50 km is completely nothing. At this altitude, the entire South China Sea should be in full view.
    My little one, but the forum users wrote about sailing, it will be at such a height no more than a light aircraft near the ground, resistance in the discharged air also falls. The second for adjusting the course is important engine power (should be equal to energy consumption, with a small air resistance not very large). And the third is for fans of satellites in geostationary orbit, it’s very expensive to know if they reorient to separate land areas, look for options for this problem and if you do not take into account the reorientation, the photo will be bullshit. + The width of the data transmission channel affects the delay of information. Qualitative photos can be considered in my opinion only 2-4 hours after they are captured. Crochet a gun and elephants.
    At the expense of the efficiency of the screws, it depends on the swept area, and in order to achieve the same thrust at a pressure 100 times less than that of the earth, the screw roughly speaking is enough to increase only 10 times. I think we will see how it will fly at an altitude of 30-35 km and briefly rise to an altitude of 50 and that's it.
    Не надо набрасываться на китайцев , что мол не могут!!! Да у них пробелы в фундаментальных науках и как видите они их заполняют . Вряд ли вы скажете что этот дерижабль они полностью "отксерили". hi
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 26 October 2015 20: 16 New
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      Quote: WildFox
      Да у них пробелы в фундаментальных науках и как видите они их заполняют . Вряд ли вы скажете что этот дерижабль они полностью "отксерили".

      ... You basically correctly noted the appropriateness and necessity of using the aircraft lighter than air. I will add only some touches.
      1. Chinese designers do not create these devices from scratch. I note that many developers in this field work in cooperation (not only Russians, Jews and Chinese, but many others who joined - the same Africans, Indians ...)
      2. Ultra-high-altitude aircraft - it will not even be a stratospheric balloon or an airship in its usual form, but something completely futuristic with fantasy elements, which was not there before: heavy-duty nano-film material, new film solar cells, composite carbon-fiberglass-construction materials, avionics-light-emitting diodes with artificial intelligence elements for an unmanned version, propulsion systems on new principles ...)

      Military airships: what will be the Russian Air Force of the future - http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201507061801-4yph.htm
      excerpts -
      The fact that inhabited airships can be armed with the Russian army has been said more than once. And so it became known that by the end of the 2018 year the Atlant airship will be built in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
      .
      Avgur-RosAeroSystems, which offers to produce airships for the Russian army, has the ability to conduct a full cycle of work to create aeronautical equipment. The design of the apparatus is carried out by its own design bureau, and multifunctional production includes a unique section for the assembly of shells and a modern welding line. There is also its own flight test complex and aviation training center.
      .
      The current airships are no longer the simple devices of the last century, and not even the Gindenburg giant. Their body is based on a multilayer composite fabric, and the shell is made of modern high-strength materials. By the way, the use of composite materials provides an airship and another plus: stealth for air defense systems. The device is transparent to radio waves and does not radiate heat. The shells are filled not with explosive hydrogen, as before, but with non-combustible helium. In modern airships, an autopilot system and other high-tech equipment are also used.
      .
      The military future of airships and balloons is very real. The Dolgoprudnensky Automation Design Bureau is currently working on the Peresvet device, which is capable of detecting Tomahawk and Tomahawk cruise missiles at a distance of up to 400 kilometers. As the representative of the Design Bureau Sergey Bendin emphasizes, the radar station installed at Peresvet simply “hangs” at a height of several kilometers, so it does not have “dead zones”.
      .
      Today, the emphasis is on transport and reconnaissance use, as well as on the use of these devices for warning and emergency response. In the 2014 year, the Military Industrial Commission under the Government of the Russian Federation included in the program “Innovative Transport of the North” the introduction of a monitoring system for the Arctic regions using airships equipped with thermal imagers, radars, laser sensors and video cameras.

  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 October 2015 19: 46 New
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    Yuanmeng carries communication systems and sensors for optical and electronic intelligence, which allows it to act as a support base for Chinese military aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles in the event of the outbreak of large-scale hostilities and the loss of satellite communications and reconnaissance.
    ... Yuanmeng can always be in direct line of sight from over a hundred thousand square miles. The vast Yuanmeng radar coverage means an increase in warning time about such threats as cruise missiles and UAVs, giving Chinese troops a great opportunity to detect and destroy such threats.

    From a height of 20 km, a radio horizon of approx. 250km That is, at an altitude of 25 km, he will detect a missile at the time of launch and give guidance to ground-based missile defense systems, he will detect aircraft from an even greater distance. Now imagine that he flies in the depths of defense in a hundred kilometers. from the front line. He sees almost everything in his rear and 150km in the rear of the enemy, it can only be shot down theoretically. As you can see for all this 100km of height he does not even need to be close. They say that he will be able to fly up to six months, this is the time of a normal, small war. Before us is AWACS in Chinese, in my opinion a great idea.
    Of the minuses - in the stratosphere there are winds up to 300 km / h, here no engines except jet engines can cope. Vulnerable to strikes from space.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 27 October 2015 00: 26 New
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      It is clear to Kot that the main purpose of this apparatus is AWACS, relaying signals, pointing at altitudes of 30-40-50 km. (Behind the eyes) ... No bombs, missiles, machine guns ....
  • Svetlana
    Svetlana 27 October 2015 06: 58 New
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    By warming the airship’s shell and helium inside it with a laser beam from the Earth, you can increase the maximum height of the airship, and you can increase the flight altitude even more by raising the air pressure under the airship’s bottom, heating the air under the airship with focused microwave radiation from the Earth. So that focused microwave radiation at pre-breakdown levels of microwave power can be absorbed in the air, streamer RF discharges are created under the airship’s bottom for preliminary ionization of the air using a Tesla high-frequency on-board transformer.
  • YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 27 October 2015 09: 27 New
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    And where is the inscription made in china ??? smile
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 28 October 2015 08: 13 New
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      Резонансные ВЧ трансформаторы Тесла делают не только в Китае. Радиолюбители его называют "качер". Cхема качера в современном исполнении аналогична схеме сварочного инвертора мостового типа на IGBT транзисторах. Но вместо понижающего напряжение резонансного ВЧ трансформатора на тороидальном ферритовом сердечнике, используют повышающий напряжение резонансный ВЧ трансформатор Тесла с воздушным сердечником. Для поджига несамостоятельного СВЧ разряда под днищем дирижабля при допробойных напряжённостях СВЧ электромагнитных полей (с частотой 10..11ГГЦ), сфокусированных с Земли, так же как в электроразрядном лазере на СO2 применяют высокочастотный емкостный разряд (с частотой 30..900КГЦ), содаваемый качером. см. Ю.П. Райзер. Физика газового разряда, 2009;