In the Navy may appear units of full-time "opponents"

Special units, whose task will be to perform the functions of a probable enemy during exercises, may appear in the states of the Russian Navy, reports RIA News message from the head of the combat training department fleet Victor Kochemazov.

"There are already thoughts about creating special staff units that will work in the combat training system for the enemy on a full-time basis and participate in all exercises, already fully working on the tactics of those countries that can probably be considered as an opponent in that or another situation ",

The rear admiral told Ekho Moskvy.

Currently, the role of the enemy is performed by the combat units of the fleet, he noted.

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[AdekvatNICK]

and here is the work for the fifth column

[vovanpain]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

and here is the work for the fifth column

You took it right off the tongue, and the interview was on the State Department’s Echo.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And what is not a bad idea ... And in videoconferencing, you need to create such! Let them suddenly "attack" and keep them in constant combat readiness! We cannot relax in Russia now! And take the most experienced ones there.

[AdekvatNICK]

I would have created a bribe-taker structure. Introduce it specially into all structures and catch in fact.

[veksha50]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

I would have created a bribe-taker structure.

What little acting seemed ???

[AdekvatNICK]

we have eradicated corruption and are in the top three countries where corruption is low?

[SRC P-15]

If we go to the terminology of martial arts - "sparring partners"?

[Penetrator]

Quote: MIKHAN

And take the most experienced there

And arm them with trophy weapons. Aircraft carriers and Virginia-class nuclear submarines

[lelikas]

Quote: MIKHAN

And what is not a bad idea ... And in videoconferencing, you need to create such! Let them suddenly "attack" and keep them in constant combat readiness! We cannot relax in Russia now! And take the most experienced ones there.

I am tormented by vague doubts about the justification of such a step, specifically for the fleet - if you use the Yankees tactics - attack with axes from extreme distances and the use of AOG - then there’s nothing to imitate, but to separate a separate submarine from the fleet to simulate an attack, if any, more than meager amounts - it makes no sense.
Aviation is another matter - the Yankes still have the "Aggressor" squadron, but we lost ours in Turkmenistan in the 90s, that's what exactly needs to be recreated.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: lelikas

I am tormented by vague doubts about the justification of such a move, just for the fleet - if you use the Yankees tactics - attack with axes from extreme distances and the use of AUG - then there’s nothing to imitate

You don’t understand, in addition to tactics, such an artificial opponent will allow gunsmiths to develop attack weapons and defense weapons to compete. Roughly speaking, RCC Caliber, Uranium, etc. will compete with redoubts and S-300 Fort, etc. etc. Torpedoes with a whole system of countermeasures that exist on our ships ...
Low-noise submarines with means of detection, such competition in peacetime will give impetus to the development of our weapons. Because gunsmiths whose weapons cannot overcome countermeasures or vice versa cannot repel missiles will be presented with claims that they think they need to change their weapons or means of defense in order to emerge victorious in this situation.
The main thing is that such exercises should not be simulated, in which our troops will simply have to be 100% victorious when they meet with the enemy forces, the roles of which are our own military. There should be no programmed victories. The defeat in this case should not be regarded as a shame for our Armed Forces, but an opportunity to find out our weaknesses and tactical miscalculations and eliminate them

[veksha50]

Quote: MIKHAN

And that is not a bad idea ... And in the VKS such need to be created!

Well, the Americans regularly conduct "Red Flag" exercises ... And they have our planes, and trained pilots ...

So - the thing is necessary, and not only in the Navy and in the VKS ....

PS Only, to be honest, I did not understand what exactly is meant in the Navy - the use of someone like "navy seals" ??? Or some ships, which we already have a shortage of ???

[pts-m]

Interesting. These structures are interchanging exchanges of butoh hits ... single or combat ...

[poquello]

Quote: MIKHAN

... and take the most experienced there ..

Well, as if the most experienced are not always the most able to imitate the enemy, experience sometimes interferes with doing stupidity

[Tor5]

Very reasonable! By studying the behavior of enemies on the battlefield, and even better with their equipment, you can significantly increase the effectiveness of exercises.

[lelikas]

Quote: Tor5

Very reasonable! By studying the behavior of enemies on the battlefield, and even better with their equipment, you can significantly increase the effectiveness of exercises.

Uh-huh, are we going to fight the Berkov mock-ups without even having our own destroyer?
It’s better to participate in exercises more often, such as RIMPAK - there the probable enemy himself provides his ships and boats with aircraft carriers - and all in kind - practice maneuvers, direction-finding noises - and that’s just that.

[Kos_kalinki9]

The rear admiral told Ekho Moskvy.

Oh, it’s even become interesting.

[raid14]

The idea is not bad, a separate Russian unit operating according to the NATO charters, equipped with Western weapons and equipment will be of great help in training various types of troops in the fight against a potential enemy.

[Wedmak]

I wonder how the entry on the military ID will look like? Served as "a probable enemy on the ship of a probable enemy in the unit No. 4382 of a probable enemy"?
Not that it was not necessary, but to separate a separate unit ... Especially the Navy. In the US, this was practiced, but on airplanes. And the most important question - do we have ships before figs?

[Rurikovich]

The awkward trolling of the Fifth Column on its own "mouthpiece of truth" Would have served with the benefit of the Fatherland not only with language, but also with military deeds, portraying an "adversary"
And then I remember in my childhood, when they played Zarnitsa, everyone wanted to be for the Reds, but no one for the enemies. And now there is no need to choose - the liberals themselves can do a good job for raising the combat readiness of naval units. Yes, and it is more interesting for the military themselves (albeit at exercises) to "fight" with yrag knowing that they are portrayed not by true patriots, but by the mongrels of the West It turns out more realistic

[Rostislav]

More realistic - is it in the sense of real sink in the end?
And what, a double benefit. And they will serve, and in the house it will be cleaner after the end of the teachings

[creak]

A similar practice has long existed in the US Armed Forces where special units use the weapons and tactics of a potential enemy. There is a rational grain in this idea and it should be considered ....

[kil 31]

Quote: ranger

A similar practice has long existed in the US Armed Forces where special units use the weapons and tactics of a potential enemy. There is a rational grain in this idea and it should be considered ....

Where to get the weapons of a potential enemy of the Navy. Okay m16, you can also find the Apache, different F-s, abrashka too. Where to get a submarine, an aircraft carrier. Will the Amers give us "Nimitz" Everything that we can find for the Navy, a couple of corvettes made of scrap metal that were released during World War II.

[roskot]

The fifth column is fighting, knowing that there will be nothing for them. And here they scatter through the cracks.

[Zomanus]

Not bad. in fact.
And you need to take there the most experienced.
To learn to be even more experienced and better.

[ssp27]

Organization, armament, tactics of army actions in the armed forces have always been studied. In the exercises, someone always acted as a likely adversary.

[Roman 57 rus]

And why not sometimes the Northern Fleet "attack" the Pacific ... or vice versa ???

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Roman 57 rus

And why not sometimes the Northern Fleet "attack" the Pacific ... or vice versa ???

You do not even guess how close you are to the truth !!!
I don’t understand why the beginning of the FIGHT is trying to discover America.
Even when I was on the ships of the fleet, there was such a practice: the commander of the PLC brigade, in parallel with the division commander of the boats, were handed packages with tasks for the upcoming exercises. Whoever won - received "credit". The loser was subjected to the most severe test, sometimes with organizational conclusions. The stimulus was strongest.
And also the delivery of L-3 was practiced (when reconstructing the battlefield after factory repair) in the competition of the fleets! The boat is northern, the PLO forces are Baltic, the senior at the crossing is the BrPLPL brigade commander. Next - the fleet is in your hands.
Well, and quite interesting was the counter battle "Kuzi" (guarded by OBK and SSF submarines) against OBK BF, returning from BS from the sea's SR. Oddly enough, the OBK BF won, even the pla hanging on the re-scope was "drowned" with a turntable from "Fearless". Everything was neatly documented, photographed and presented to Kosyak (Deputy Chief Commander of the Navy, Admiral I.V. Kasatonov - senior northerners). There was no order, not even analysis, but we were no longer touched.
So, to fight honestly with the "aggressor"!
But there were also "bespoke matches", when we had "tracing papers" on our hands, and we sailed, steered, followed the drawn courses, so that PLoshniki got credit ...
As the saying goes: "Anything can happen, it happens and scrap floats!"

[Throw]

"Anything can happen, it happens, and scrap floats"!]

Just remember the classic Runet:

ya_frosia: A bunch of crowbars tend to sink.
alexei: ya_frosia: But in mercury it floats well.
zoogenic: alexei: But if the scrap is uranium, it’s also drowning in mercury.
alexei: zoogenic: swamp uranium scrap in mercury itself.

[Egevich]

it seems that they just toured the echo of the matzah ... well, nothing will do for liberalists

[Mercenary]

Clever! And it turns out, exercises between one tactical school and often between classmates, which sometimes looks played out and unrealistic. God forbid, real events and the result is not predictable.

[sl22277]

There are already "regular" opponents, this is the United States of America. "Probable Hemorrhoids" and the enemy rolled into one ....

[Mercury]

McCain put on a barge in full outfit and hi floats towards the Crimea

[BOB044]

"There are already thoughts about creating special staff units that will work in the combat training system for the enemy on a full-time basis and participate in all exercises, already fully working on the tactics of those countries that can probably be considered as an opponent in that or another situation ",

These states need the very best, so that it would not just confront their tasks. As Suvorov said, it’s hard in exercises, easy in battle.

[poquello]

Quote: BOB044

... As Suvorov said, it’s hard in exercises, easy in battle.

hard to learn - easy to trek

http://www.otrezal.ru/great_ideas/section2/1181.html

[am808s]

Quote: Mercury

McCain put on a barge in full outfit and hi floats towards the Crimea

Yeah, and force a fork to get from Florida itself!

[moskowit]

Correctly. It would not hurt to create structures of false prostitutes, false smugglers, false drug dealers and put them on a considerable salary. It would not hurt to open a number of specialized educational institutions for this ... But what? Let the siloviki train ... And pay a salary to everyone from the PFR money, having selected compensation from pensioners.

[raid14]

If our army does not have the appropriate training and modern weapons, the country will be delayed. What kind of compensation? There will be no PFR, nor pensioners, they will tear it apart like Libya, where Gaddafi has set the entire population of gold toilets instead of strengthening his army and air defense.

[moskowit]

Well, well ... You don’t have to pile everything together. And you perfectly understood what I meant. And why not bring a political base.

[raid14]

In the language of political functionaries of the past era, your comment is "political myopia, social irresponsibility and undermining the authority of the ruling power."

[VL33]

Timely and smartly approach the matter. Bravo! You need to know how a potential adversary acts. It’s hard to learn, the enemy is up to date :))

[Babai Balkan]

"lelicasToday, 11: 18 ↑ New
Aviation is another matter - the Yankes still have the "Aggressor" squadron, but we lost ours in Turkmenistan in the 90s, that's what exactly needs to be recreated. "
et that poherili ??? Not a transelvan regiment by chance on Nagatino, but a training one, which was shrouded in Astrakhan with the whole squad ???

[epron]

To equip, train, arm according to US standards, and then introduce them to them and replace their army. Costs from the Pentagon budget. At o'clock, H announce that pindocia is occupied by green men for their debts to the world and is being abolished.

[pvv113]

whose task will include the exercise on the exercises the functions of a probable adversary

When we were playing "war" in childhood, no one wanted to be "for the Germans"!

[Mikado]

Quote: pvv113

whose task will include the exercise on the exercises the functions of a probable adversary

When we were playing "war" in childhood, no one wanted to be "for the Germans"!

Yeah, like in an old joke:
- Guys, they’re taking me to the army!
- You have enuresis!
- And they told me: "Never mind, you will be for the Germans!"

[Awaz]

When I served, my boat was often used as an intruder. But after we managed to escape from the chase several times, we abruptly "went over" to the side of Good.

[lecturer]

... after we managed to escape from the chase several times, we abruptly "switched" to the side of Good

- Did you run into "ramming" or "seizure"?
PS ... and after such "sea lightnings" usually the award went not to "violators"!

[Awaz]

yes her. Probably the reason was that the boat was the oldest. The command hoped that new, more modern boats and ships could easily get this old trough. But I had an excellent crew and the boat was in perfect technical condition.
I served as a naval border guard and the point of the lightning was to prevent the boat from reaching the point, picking it up (for example, a diver) and getting away from the pursuit. The main task of "ours" was to prevent the boat with the "passenger" from leaving. It is clear that they could have shot us down, but they never managed to catch up or block them.

[russmensch]

A long time ago, when I was still young and strong, and the girls were all as models for me and the service for me was, albeit difficult, but interesting, familiar guys from different special forces units (that, still Soviet) in my free from " work "while drinking a glass of tea, they often talked about all sorts of" tricks "that they performed on the orders of their superiors. For example, they talked about how they "went" to neighboring territories to perform tasks without notifying the border services, and returned, how, in order to check the security, they penetrated our super important facilities, including nuclear power plants, and strategists' facilities. If they succeeded, but as a rule they succeeded, then the perpetrators got their own and the rules and principles of service were revised. If it didn’t work out, then they already began to screw them up and drive them to a sweat, depriving them of everything they could. So some were captains, and became elders. And again they could receive the title only after the next successful operation.
So today we are returning to the well-forgotten ... And if the operations are still planned realistically, and not because it’s convenient for someone, then this will be of great benefit to combat training.