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In the Navy may appear units of full-time "opponents"

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Special units, whose task will be to perform the functions of a probable enemy during exercises, may appear in the states of the Russian Navy, reports RIA News message from the head of the combat training department fleet Victor Kochemazov.




"There are already thoughts about creating special staff units that will work in the combat training system for the enemy on a full-time basis and participate in all exercises, already fully working on the tactics of those countries that can probably be considered as an opponent in that or another situation ",
The rear admiral told Ekho Moskvy.

Currently, the role of the enemy is performed by the combat units of the fleet, he noted.
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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 25 October 2015 10: 41 New
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    and here is the work for the fifth column wassat
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 October 2015 10: 45 New
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      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      and here is the work for the fifth column wassat

      You took it right off the tongue, and the interview was on the State Department’s Echo. laughing
    2. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 25 October 2015 10: 46 New
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      А что не плохая идея...И в ВКС такие нужно создавать! Пусть неожиданно "атакуют" и держат в постоянной боевой готовности! Нам в России расслабляться сейчас нельзя!И брать туда самых опытных..
      1. AdekvatNICK
        AdekvatNICK 25 October 2015 10: 48 New
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        I would have created a bribe-taker structure. Introduce it specially into all structures and catch in fact.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 25 October 2015 12: 16 New
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          Quote: AdekvatNICK
          I would have created a bribe-taker structure.



          What little acting seemed ???
          1. AdekvatNICK
            AdekvatNICK 25 October 2015 14: 56 New
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            we have eradicated corruption and are in the top three countries where corruption is low?
      2. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 25 October 2015 10: 50 New
        +8
        Если перейти на терминологию боевых искусств - "спарринг-партнёры"?
      3. Penetrator
        Penetrator 25 October 2015 10: 57 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And take the most experienced there

        И вооружать трофейным оружием. Авианосцами и АПЛ класса "Вирджиния" laughing
      4. lelikas
        lelikas 25 October 2015 11: 18 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        А что не плохая идея...И в ВКС такие нужно создавать! Пусть неожиданно "атакуют" и держат в постоянной боевой готовности! Нам в России расслабляться сейчас нельзя!И брать туда самых опытных..

        I am tormented by vague doubts about the justification of such a step, specifically for the fleet - if you use the Yankees tactics - attack with axes from extreme distances and the use of AOG - then there’s nothing to imitate, but to separate a separate submarine from the fleet to simulate an attack, if any, more than meager amounts - it makes no sense.
        Другое дело авиация - у янкесов она и сейчас существует эскадрилья "Агрессор", мы же свою , в Туркмении , похерили в 90х , вот что точно нужно воссоздавать .
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 25 October 2015 12: 52 New
          +6
          Quote: lelikas
          I am tormented by vague doubts about the justification of such a move, just for the fleet - if you use the Yankees tactics - attack with axes from extreme distances and the use of AUG - then there’s nothing to imitate

          You don’t understand, in addition to tactics, such an artificial opponent will allow gunsmiths to develop attack weapons and defense weapons to compete. Roughly speaking, RCC Caliber, Uranium, etc. will compete with redoubts and S-300 Fort, etc. etc. Torpedoes with a whole system of countermeasures that exist on our ships ...
          Low-noise submarines with means of detection, such competition in peacetime will give impetus to the development of our weapons. Because gunsmiths whose weapons cannot overcome countermeasures or vice versa cannot repel missiles will be presented with claims that they think they need to change their weapons or means of defense in order to emerge victorious in this situation.
          The main thing is that such exercises should not be simulated, in which our troops will simply have to be 100% victorious when they meet with the enemy forces, the roles of which are our own military. There should be no programmed victories. The defeat in this case should not be regarded as a shame for our Armed Forces, but an opportunity to find out our weaknesses and tactical miscalculations and eliminate them
      5. veksha50
        veksha50 25 October 2015 12: 15 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And that is not a bad idea ... And in the VKS such need to be created!



        Ну, американцы же регулярно проводят учения "Красный флаг"... И самолеты наши у них есть, и подготовленные пилоты...

        So - the thing is necessary, and not only in the Navy and in the VKS ....

        P.S. Только, честно говоря, не понял, что именно в ВМФ подразумевается - использование кого-то типа "морских котиков" ??? Или и какие-то корабли, которых у нас и так нехватка ???
      6. pts-m
        pts-m 25 October 2015 13: 25 New
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        Interesting. These structures are interchanging exchanges of butoh hits ... single or combat ...
      7. poquello
        poquello 25 October 2015 14: 43 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        ... and take the most experienced there ..

        Well, as if the most experienced are not always the most able to imitate the enemy, experience sometimes interferes with doing stupidity
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 25 October 2015 11: 28 New
      +2
      Very reasonable! By studying the behavior of enemies on the battlefield, and even better with their equipment, you can significantly increase the effectiveness of exercises.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 25 October 2015 12: 00 New
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        Quote: Tor5
        Very reasonable! By studying the behavior of enemies on the battlefield, and even better with their equipment, you can significantly increase the effectiveness of exercises.

        Угу , будем воевать с макетами "Берков" , даже не имея собственного эсминца ?
        It’s better to participate in exercises more often, such as RIMPAK - there the probable enemy himself provides his ships and boats with aircraft carriers - and all in kind - practice maneuvers, direction-finding noises - and that’s just that.
  2. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 25 October 2015 10: 47 New
    +2
    The rear admiral told Ekho Moskvy.

    Oh, it’s even become interesting.
  3. raid14
    raid14 25 October 2015 10: 51 New
    +5
    The idea is not bad, a separate Russian unit operating according to the NATO charters, equipped with Western weapons and equipment will be of great help in training various types of troops in the fight against a potential enemy.
  4. Wedmak
    Wedmak 25 October 2015 10: 55 New
    +3
    Интересно, а как будет выглядеть запись в военном билете? Служил "вероятным противником на корабле вероятного противника в части №4382 вероятного противника"?
    Not that it was not necessary, but to separate a separate unit ... Especially the Navy. In the US, this was practiced, but on airplanes. And the most important question - do we have ships before figs?
  5. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 25 October 2015 10: 56 New
    +3
    Нелохой троллинг Пятой колонны на её же "рупоре правды" laughing Послужили бы с пользой для Отечества не только языком, но и ратными делами изображая "супостата" soldier
    А то помню в детстве ,когда в "Зарницу" играли,все хотели быть за красных, а за врагов никто. А теперь и выбирать не надо - сами либерасты могут и сослужить хорошую службу для поднятия боеготовности подразделений ВМФ. Да и самим военным интереснее (пусть и на учениях) "сражаться" с ырагом зная, что изображают его отнюдь не истинные патриоты, а шавки Запада lol It turns out more realistic laughing
    hi
    1. Rostislav
      Rostislav 25 October 2015 11: 33 New
      +2
      More realistic - is it in the sense of real sink in the end?
      And what, a double benefit. And they will serve, and in the house it will be cleaner after the end of the teachings laughing
  6. creak
    creak 25 October 2015 11: 01 New
    +1
    A similar practice has long existed in the US Armed Forces where special units use the weapons and tactics of a potential enemy. There is a rational grain in this idea and it should be considered ....
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 25 October 2015 11: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: ranger
      A similar practice has long existed in the US Armed Forces where special units use the weapons and tactics of a potential enemy. There is a rational grain in this idea and it should be considered ....

      Где брать вооружение потенциального противника ВМФ. Ладно м16, апач можно тоже найти, разные Ф-ы, абрашку тоже. Где брать ПЛ, авианосец. Неужели амерсы нам подарят "Нимитц" Всё, что мы можем найти для ВМФ, пару корветов из металлолома которые выпущены ещё во время 2 мировой. request
  7. roskot
    roskot 25 October 2015 11: 04 New
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    The fifth column is fighting, knowing that there will be nothing for them. And here they scatter through the cracks.
  8. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 October 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    Not bad. in fact.
    And you need to take there the most experienced.
    To learn to be even more experienced and better.
  9. ssp27
    ssp27 25 October 2015 11: 11 New
    +1
    Organization, armament, tactics of army actions in the armed forces have always been studied. In the exercises, someone always acted as a likely adversary.
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  11. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 25 October 2015 11: 36 New
    +1
    А почему бы просто иногда Северному флоту не "нападать" на Тихоокеанский...или наоборот???
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 25 October 2015 22: 22 New
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      Quote: Roman 57 rus
      А почему бы просто иногда Северному флоту не "нападать" на Тихоокеанский...или наоборот???

      You do not even guess how close you are to the truth !!!
      I don’t understand why the beginning of the FIGHT is trying to discover America. request
      Еще в мою бытность на кораблях флота, была такая практика: командиру бригады ПЛК параллельно с комдивом лодок вручались пакеты с заданием на предстоящие учения. Кто побеждал -- получал "зачет". Проигравший подвергался жесточайшей проверке, порой с оргвыводами. Стимул был сильнейший. yes
      And also the delivery of L-3 was practiced (when reconstructing the battlefield after factory repair) in the competition of the fleets! The boat is northern, the PLO forces are Baltic, the senior at the crossing is the BrPLPL brigade commander. Next - the fleet is in your hands. good
      Ну, и совсем интересным был встречный бой "Кузи" (в охранении ОБК и ПлаРК КСФ) против ОБК БФ, возвращающегося с БС из СР моря. Как ни странно, победил ОБК БФ, даже пла, висевшую на перескопе, "утопили" вертушкой с "Неустрашимого". Все аккуратно задокументировали, зафотографировали и представили Косяку (Зам ГК ВМФ адмиралу И.В.Касатонову -- старшему северян). Приказа, даже разбора -- не было, но и нас больше уже не трогали. yes
      Так-то, воевать по-честному с "агрессором"!
      Но бывали и "заказные матчи", когда на руках "кальки" были, и мы плыли-рулили, по нарисованным курсам ходили, чтобы ПЛОшники зачет получили...
      Как говорится: "Всякое бывает, бывает и лом всплывает"! angry
      1. Throw
        Throw 26 October 2015 00: 52 New
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        "Всякое бывает, бывает и лом всплывает"!]

        Just remember the classic Runet:

        ya_frosia: A bunch of crowbars tend to sink.
        alexei: ya_frosia: But in mercury it floats well.
        zoogenic: alexei: But if the scrap is uranium, it’s also drowning in mercury.
        alexei: zoogenic: swamp uranium scrap in mercury itself.
  12. Egevich
    Egevich 25 October 2015 11: 38 New
    +1
    it seems that they just toured the echo of the matzah ... well, nothing will do for liberalists
  13. Mercenary
    Mercenary 25 October 2015 11: 42 New
    +1
    Clever! And it turns out, exercises between one tactical school and often between classmates, which sometimes looks played out and unrealistic. God forbid, real events and the result is not predictable. angry
  14. sl22277
    sl22277 25 October 2015 11: 47 New
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    "Штатные" противники уже есть,это Соединенные Штаты Америки. "Вероятный Геморрой" и противник в одном лице....
  15. Mercury
    Mercury 25 October 2015 11: 49 New
    +3
    McCain put on a barge in full outfit and hi floats towards the Crimea
  16. BOB044
    BOB044 25 October 2015 11: 50 New
    +1

    "There are already thoughts about creating special staff units that will work in the combat training system for the enemy on a full-time basis and participate in all exercises, already fully working on the tactics of those countries that can probably be considered as an opponent in that or another situation ",
    These states need the very best, so that it would not just confront their tasks. As Suvorov said, it’s hard in exercises, easy in battle.
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 October 2015 14: 36 New
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      Quote: BOB044
      ... As Suvorov said, it’s hard in exercises, easy in battle.

      hard to learn - easy to trek

      http://www.otrezal.ru/great_ideas/section2/1181.html
  17. am808s
    am808s 25 October 2015 11: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Mercury
    McCain put on a barge in full outfit and hi floats towards the Crimea

    Yeah, and force a fork to get from Florida itself! wassat
  18. moskowit
    moskowit 25 October 2015 12: 24 New
    +1
    Correctly. It would not hurt to create structures of false prostitutes, false smugglers, false drug dealers and put them on a considerable salary. It would not hurt to open a number of specialized educational institutions for this ... But what? Let the siloviki train ... And pay a salary to everyone from the PFR money, having selected compensation from pensioners. good
    1. raid14
      raid14 25 October 2015 12: 37 New
      +3
      If our army does not have the appropriate training and modern weapons, the country will be delayed. What kind of compensation? There will be no PFR, nor pensioners, they will tear it apart like Libya, where Gaddafi has set the entire population of gold toilets instead of strengthening his army and air defense.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 25 October 2015 13: 18 New
        +1
        Well, well ... You don’t have to pile everything together. And you perfectly understood what I meant. And why not bring a political base.
        1. raid14
          raid14 25 October 2015 14: 24 New
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          Выражаясь языком политических функционеров прошлой эпохи, ваш комментарий "политическая близорукость, социальная несознательность и подрыв авторитета правящей власти".
  19. VL33
    VL33 25 October 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    Timely and smartly approach the matter. Bravo! You need to know how a potential adversary acts. It’s hard to learn, the enemy is up to date :))
  20. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 25 October 2015 13: 54 New
    +1
    "леликасСегодня, 11:18↑Новый
    Другое дело авиация - у янкесов она и сейчас существует эскадрилья"Агрессор", мы же свою , в Туркмении , похерили в 90х , вот что точно нужно воссоздавать ."
    et that poherili ??? Not a transelvan regiment by chance on Nagatino, but a training one, which was shrouded in Astrakhan with the whole squad ???
  21. epron
    epron 25 October 2015 13: 56 New
    +1
    To equip, train, arm according to US standards, and then introduce them to them and replace their army. Costs from the Pentagon budget. At o'clock, H announce that pindocia is occupied by green men for their debts to the world and is being abolished. fellow
  22. pvv113
    pvv113 25 October 2015 17: 53 New
    +1
    whose task will include the exercise on the exercises the functions of a probable adversary

    Когда мы в детстве играли в "войнушку", то никто не хотел быть "за немцев"!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 26 October 2015 13: 52 New
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      Quote: pvv113
      whose task will include the exercise on the exercises the functions of a probable adversary

      Когда мы в детстве играли в "войнушку", то никто не хотел быть "за немцев"!

      Yeah, like in an old joke:
      - Guys, they’re taking me to the army!
      - You have enuresis!
      - А мне сказали: "Ничего, будешь за немцев!"
  23. Awaz
    Awaz 25 October 2015 21: 05 New
    +3
    я когда служил, мой катер часто использовался в качестве судна- нарушителя. Но после того как нам несколько раз удалось улизнуть от погони , мы резко " перешли" на сторону Добра.
  24. lecturer
    lecturer 25 October 2015 21: 50 New
    +1
    ...после того как нам несколько раз удалось улизнуть от погони , мы резко " перешли" на сторону Добра
    -"на таран" или "на захват" нарывались?
    P.S. ...и после таких "морских зарниц" обычно награда шла не "нарушителям"!
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 25 October 2015 22: 13 New
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      yes her. Probably the reason was that the boat was the oldest. The command hoped that new, more modern boats and ships could easily get this old trough. But I had an excellent crew and the boat was in perfect technical condition.
      Я служил таки морским пограничником и смысл зарницы был в том что бы не допустить катеру - нарушителю добраться до точки , подобрать ( например водолаза) и уйти от погони . Основная задача была у "наших" это не допустить того что б катер с " пассажиром" ушел. Понятно дело что нас могли подстреллить , но догнать или заблокировать ни разу не удалось .
  25. russmensch
    russmensch 25 October 2015 21: 52 New
    +1
    Давным-давно, когда я был еще молодым и сильным, а девушки все как на подбор были для меня моделями и служба для меня была хоть и трудной, но интересной, знакомые ребята из разных подразделений спецназа (того, еще советского) в свободное от "работы" время за рюмкой чая частенько рассказывали о всяческих "проделках", которые они по приказу начальства совершали. Так например рассказывали как "уходили" на сопредельные территории для выполнения задач, не ставя об этом в известность погранслужбы, и возвращались, как в целях проверки охраны проникали на наши сверхважные объекты, в том числе и на атомные станции, и на объекты стратегов. Если у них это получалось, а как правило получалось, то виновные получали свое и пересматривались правила и основы несения службы. Если не получалось - то уже их начинали дрючить и гонять до седьмого пота, лишая всего чего только можно. Так некоторые были капитанами, а становились старлеями. И снова получить звание могли только после следующей успешной операции.
    So today we are returning to the well-forgotten ... And if the operations are still planned realistically, and not because it’s convenient for someone, then this will be of great benefit to combat training.