In the Navy may appear units of full-time "opponents"

Special units, whose task will be to perform the functions of a probable enemy during exercises, may appear in the states of the Russian Navy, reports RIA News message from the head of the combat training department fleet Victor Kochemazov.




"There are already thoughts about creating special staff units that will work in the combat training system for the enemy on a full-time basis and participate in all exercises, already fully working on the tactics of those countries that can probably be considered as an opponent in that or another situation ",
The rear admiral told Ekho Moskvy.

Currently, the role of the enemy is performed by the combat units of the fleet, he noted.
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  1. AdekvatNICK 25 October 2015 10: 41 New
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    and here is the work for the fifth column wassat
    1. vovanpain 25 October 2015 10: 45 New
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      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      and here is the work for the fifth column wassat

      You took it right off the tongue, and the interview was on the State Department’s Echo. laughing
    2. MIKHAN 25 October 2015 10: 46 New
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      And that is not a bad idea ... And in the VKS such need to be created! Let them suddenly “attack” and keep them on constant alert! We in Russia can’t relax now! And take the most experienced there ..
      1. AdekvatNICK 25 October 2015 10: 48 New
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        I would have created a bribe-taker structure. Introduce it specially into all structures and catch in fact.
        1. veksha50 25 October 2015 12: 16 New
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          Quote: AdekvatNICK
          I would have created a bribe-taker structure.



          What little acting seemed ???
          1. AdekvatNICK 25 October 2015 14: 56 New
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            we have eradicated corruption and are in the top three countries where corruption is low?
      2. SRC P-15 25 October 2015 10: 50 New
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        If you go to the terminology of martial arts - "sparring partners"?
      3. Penetrator 25 October 2015 10: 57 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And take the most experienced there

        And equip with captured weapons. Aircraft carriers and Virginia-class submarines laughing
      4. lelikas 25 October 2015 11: 18 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And that is not a bad idea ... And in the VKS such need to be created! Let them suddenly “attack” and keep them on constant alert! We in Russia can’t relax now! And take the most experienced there ..

        I am tormented by vague doubts about the justification of such a step, specifically for the fleet - if you use the Yankees tactics - attack with axes from extreme distances and the use of AOG - then there’s nothing to imitate, but to separate a separate submarine from the fleet to simulate an attack, if any, more than meager amounts - it makes no sense.
        Aviation is another matter - it still exists at the Yankees squadron "Aggressor", but we, our own, in Turkmenistan, were stolen in the 90s, that’s exactly what needs to be recreated.
        1. Lt. Air Force stock 25 October 2015 12: 52 New
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          Quote: lelikas
          I am tormented by vague doubts about the justification of such a move, just for the fleet - if you use the Yankees tactics - attack with axes from extreme distances and the use of AUG - then there’s nothing to imitate

          You don’t understand, in addition to tactics, such an artificial opponent will allow gunsmiths to develop attack weapons and defense weapons to compete. Roughly speaking, RCC Caliber, Uranium, etc. will compete with redoubts and S-300 Fort, etc. etc. Torpedoes with a whole system of countermeasures that exist on our ships ...
          Low-noise submarines with means of detection, such competition in peacetime will give impetus to the development of our weapons. Because gunsmiths whose weapons cannot overcome countermeasures or vice versa cannot repel missiles will be presented with claims that they think they need to change their weapons or means of defense in order to emerge victorious in this situation.
          The main thing is that such exercises should not be simulated, in which our troops will simply have to be 100% victorious when they meet with the enemy forces, the roles of which are our own military. There should be no programmed victories. The defeat in this case should not be regarded as a shame for our Armed Forces, but an opportunity to find out our weaknesses and tactical miscalculations and eliminate them
      5. veksha50 25 October 2015 12: 15 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        And that is not a bad idea ... And in the VKS such need to be created!



        Well, the Americans regularly conduct the Red Flag exercises ... And they have our planes, and trained pilots ...

        So - the thing is necessary, and not only in the Navy and in the VKS ....

        PS Just honestly, I didn’t understand what exactly in the Navy means - the use of someone like "fur seals" ??? Or some ships that we already have shortage ???
      6. pts-m 25 October 2015 13: 25 New
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        Interesting. These structures are interchanging exchanges of butoh hits ... single or combat ...
      7. poquello 25 October 2015 14: 43 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        ... and take the most experienced there ..

        Well, as if the most experienced are not always the most able to imitate the enemy, experience sometimes interferes with doing stupidity
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 25 October 2015 11: 28 New
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      Very reasonable! By studying the behavior of enemies on the battlefield, and even better with their equipment, you can significantly increase the effectiveness of exercises.
      1. lelikas 25 October 2015 12: 00 New
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        Quote: Tor5
        Very reasonable! By studying the behavior of enemies on the battlefield, and even better with their equipment, you can significantly increase the effectiveness of exercises.

        Yeah, will we fight with the mock-ups of the Berkov without even having our own destroyer?
        It’s better to participate in exercises more often, such as RIMPAK - there the probable enemy himself provides his ships and boats with aircraft carriers - and all in kind - practice maneuvers, direction-finding noises - and that’s just that.
  2. Kos_kalinki9 25 October 2015 10: 47 New
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    The rear admiral told Ekho Moskvy.

    Oh, it’s even become interesting.
  3. raid14 25 October 2015 10: 51 New
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    The idea is not bad, a separate Russian unit operating according to the NATO charters, equipped with Western weapons and equipment will be of great help in training various types of troops in the fight against a potential enemy.
  4. Wedmak 25 October 2015 10: 55 New
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    I wonder what the record on the military card will look like? Served as a “probable opponent on the ship of the probable enemy in the part number 4382 of the probable enemy"?
    Not that it was not necessary, but to separate a separate unit ... Especially the Navy. In the US, this was practiced, but on airplanes. And the most important question - do we have ships before figs?
  5. Rurikovich 25 October 2015 10: 56 New
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    The good trolling of the Fifth Column on its own "mouthpiece of truth" laughing They would serve for the benefit of the Fatherland not only in language, but also in military affairs depicting the "adversary" soldier
    And I remember when I was a child when they played Zarnitsa, everyone wanted to be for the Reds, but no one for the enemies. And now there is no need to choose - the liberals themselves can also do a good job of raising the combat readiness of the Navy units. Yes, and the military itself is more interesting (albeit in exercises) to “fight” with a yogi knowing that it is not true patriots who portray him, but mongrels of the West lol It turns out more realistic laughing
    hi
    1. Rostislav 25 October 2015 11: 33 New
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      More realistic - is it in the sense of real sink in the end?
      And what, a double benefit. And they will serve, and in the house it will be cleaner after the end of the teachings laughing
  6. creak 25 October 2015 11: 01 New
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    A similar practice has long existed in the US Armed Forces where special units use the weapons and tactics of a potential enemy. There is a rational grain in this idea and it should be considered ....
    1. kil 31 25 October 2015 11: 21 New
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      Quote: ranger
      A similar practice has long existed in the US Armed Forces where special units use the weapons and tactics of a potential enemy. There is a rational grain in this idea and it should be considered ....

      Where to get weapons of a potential enemy of the Navy. Okay m16, Apache can also be found, different Fs, abrashka too. Where to get the submarine, aircraft carrier. Is it possible that Amers will give us Nimitz Everything that we can find for the Navy, a couple of scrap metal corvettes that were released during World War II. request
  7. roskot 25 October 2015 11: 04 New
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    The fifth column is fighting, knowing that there will be nothing for them. And here they scatter through the cracks.
  8. Zomanus 25 October 2015 11: 05 New
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    Not bad. in fact.
    And you need to take there the most experienced.
    To learn to be even more experienced and better.
  9. ssp27 25 October 2015 11: 11 New
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    Organization, armament, tactics of army actions in the armed forces have always been studied. In the exercises, someone always acted as a likely adversary.
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  11. Roman 57 rus 25 October 2015 11: 36 New
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    Why not just sometimes the Northern Fleet "attack" the Pacific ... or vice versa ???
    1. Boa kaa 25 October 2015 22: 22 New
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      Quote: Roman 57 rus
      Why not just sometimes the Northern Fleet "attack" the Pacific ... or vice versa ???

      You do not even guess how close you are to the truth !!!
      I don’t understand why the beginning of the FIGHT is trying to discover America. request
      Even when I was on the fleet’s ships, there was such a practice: in parallel with the divisional commander, the PLC brigade commander was handed packages with the assignment for the upcoming exercises. Who won - received the "standings". The loser underwent the most severe test, sometimes with organizational conclusions. The stimulus was the strongest. yes
      And also the delivery of L-3 was practiced (when reconstructing the battlefield after factory repair) in the competition of the fleets! The boat is northern, the PLO forces are Baltic, the senior at the crossing is the BrPLPL brigade commander. Next - the fleet is in your hands. good
      Well, the “Kuzi” counter battle (guarded by the OBK and Plark KSF) against the OBK BF, returning from the BS from the SR Sea, was quite interesting. Oddly enough, the BFK BF won, even the plaque hanging at the re-scope was “drowned” by a turntable from Undaunted. They carefully documented everything, photographed it and presented it to Kosyak (Deputy Navy Civil Code to Admiral I.V. Kasatonov, the senior northerner). There was no order, not even a parsing, but they no longer touched us either. yes
      So, to fight honestly with the "aggressor"!
      But there were also “custom-made matches”, when there were “tracing-paper” on our hands, and we sailed-taxied, we walked along the drawn courses so that the Plozhniks got a credit ...
      As the saying goes: "Everything happens, it happens, and scrap pops up!" angry
      1. Throw 26 October 2015 00: 52 New
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        “Anything happens, it happens and scrap pops up!”]

        Just remember the classic Runet:

        ya_frosia: A bunch of crowbars tend to sink.
        alexei: ya_frosia: But in mercury it floats well.
        zoogenic: alexei: But if the scrap is uranium, it’s also drowning in mercury.
        alexei: zoogenic: swamp uranium scrap in mercury itself.
  12. Egevich 25 October 2015 11: 38 New
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    it seems that they just toured the echo of the matzah ... well, nothing will do for liberalists
  13. Mercenary 25 October 2015 11: 42 New
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    Clever! And it turns out, exercises between one tactical school and often between classmates, which sometimes looks played out and unrealistic. God forbid, real events and the result is not predictable. angry
  14. sl22277 25 October 2015 11: 47 New
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    "Native" opponents already exist, this is the United States of America. "Probable Hemorrhoids" and the enemy all rolled into one ....
  15. Mercury 25 October 2015 11: 49 New
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    McCain put on a barge in full outfit and hi floats towards the Crimea
  16. BOB044 25 October 2015 11: 50 New
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    "There are already thoughts about creating special staff units that will work in the combat training system for the enemy on a full-time basis and participate in all exercises, already fully working on the tactics of those countries that can probably be considered as an opponent in that or another situation ",
    These states need the very best, so that it would not just confront their tasks. As Suvorov said, it’s hard in exercises, easy in battle.
    1. poquello 25 October 2015 14: 36 New
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      Quote: BOB044
      ... As Suvorov said, it’s hard in exercises, easy in battle.

      hard to learn - easy to trek

      http://www.otrezal.ru/great_ideas/section2/1181.html
  17. am808s 25 October 2015 11: 58 New
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    Quote: Mercury
    McCain put on a barge in full outfit and hi floats towards the Crimea

    Yeah, and force a fork to get from Florida itself! wassat
  18. moskowit 25 October 2015 12: 24 New
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    Correctly. It would not hurt to create structures of false prostitutes, false smugglers, false drug dealers and put them on a considerable salary. It would not hurt to open a number of specialized educational institutions for this ... But what? Let the siloviki train ... And pay a salary to everyone from the PFR money, having selected compensation from pensioners. good
    1. raid14 25 October 2015 12: 37 New
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      If our army does not have the appropriate training and modern weapons, the country will be delayed. What kind of compensation? There will be no PFR, nor pensioners, they will tear it apart like Libya, where Gaddafi has set the entire population of gold toilets instead of strengthening his army and air defense.
      1. moskowit 25 October 2015 13: 18 New
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        Well, well ... You don’t have to pile everything together. And you perfectly understood what I meant. And why not bring a political base.
        1. raid14 25 October 2015 14: 24 New
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          In the language of the political functionaries of the past era, your comment is “political myopia, social inconscience, and undermining the authority of the ruling power.”
  19. VL33 25 October 2015 13: 23 New
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    Timely and smartly approach the matter. Bravo! You need to know how a potential adversary acts. It’s hard to learn, the enemy is up to date :))
  20. Babai Balkan 25 October 2015 13: 54 New
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    "LelikasToday, 11: 18 ↑ New
    Aviation is another matter - it still exists at the Yankees squadron "Aggressor", but we, in Turkmenistan, have stolen in the 90s, that’s exactly what needs to be recreated. "
    et that poherili ??? Not a transelvan regiment by chance on Nagatino, but a training one, which was shrouded in Astrakhan with the whole squad ???
  21. epron 25 October 2015 13: 56 New
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    To equip, train, arm according to US standards, and then introduce them to them and replace their army. Costs from the Pentagon budget. At o'clock, H announce that pindocia is occupied by green men for their debts to the world and is being abolished. fellow
  22. pvv113 25 October 2015 17: 53 New
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    whose task will include the exercise on the exercises the functions of a probable adversary

    When we played war games in childhood, no one wanted to be “for the Germans”!
    1. Mikado 26 October 2015 13: 52 New
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      Quote: pvv113
      whose task will include the exercise on the exercises the functions of a probable adversary

      When we played war games in childhood, no one wanted to be “for the Germans”!

      Yeah, like in an old joke:
      - Guys, they’re taking me to the army!
      - You have enuresis!
      - And they said to me: "Nothing, you will be for the Germans!"
  23. Awaz 25 October 2015 21: 05 New
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    When I served, my boat was often used as an intruder. But after we managed to escape from the chase several times, we abruptly “crossed” to the side of Good.
  24. lecturer 25 October 2015 21: 50 New
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    ... after we managed to slip away from the chase several times, we abruptly “switched” to the side of Good
    - "rammed" or "grabbed" ran into?
    PS ... and after such "sea lightning" usually the reward went not to "violators"!
    1. Awaz 25 October 2015 22: 13 New
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      yes her. Probably the reason was that the boat was the oldest. The command hoped that new, more modern boats and ships could easily get this old trough. But I had an excellent crew and the boat was in perfect technical condition.
      I also served as a marine border guard and the meaning of the lightning was to prevent the boat - the intruder from reaching the point, picking up (for example, a diver) and avoiding the chase. The main task was for "ours" to prevent the boat with the "passenger" from leaving. It’s clear that they could shoot us, but they never managed to catch or block us.
  25. russmensch 25 October 2015 21: 52 New
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    Once upon a time, when I was still young and strong, and the girls were like models for me and the service for me was difficult but interesting, my acquaintances from different special forces units (the one that was still Soviet) in my free time " works "time for a glass of tea often talked about all sorts of" tricks "that they performed on the orders of superiors. For example, they told how they “left” to neighboring territories to carry out tasks without notifying the border services about it, and returned how they penetrated our super important facilities, including nuclear power plants, and strategist facilities in order to verify security. If they succeeded, but usually succeeded, the perpetrators received their own and the rules and principles of service were revised. If it didn’t work out, then they were already starting to dryuch and drive them to the seventh sweat, depriving them of everything that was possible. So some were captains, but became older. And again they could get the title only after the next successful operation.
    So today we are returning to the well-forgotten ... And if the operations are still planned realistically, and not because it’s convenient for someone, then this will be of great benefit to combat training.