NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?

One of the indicators that the “friends” of Russia not only do not want to leave outside their area of ​​interest, “isolating from the rest of the world” (© Barack Obama), but, conversely, bringing “friendly” attention to intent, is the appearance on the streets Russian cities of such improvised book mini-markets:


NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?


The women of Balzakovsky and, if I may say so, the Zabalzak age are standing next to wheelchairs, "shop windows" in almost any weather in crowded places (in parks, near bus stops, not far from the entrance to shopping centers) and, especially emphasized, "free of charge" share "important literature." This distributor (the kind of school teacher who has retired), captured in this photo (Voronezh region), has a literature about how to heal a person. At least, it is exactly such a sign with the image of a certain boy of Arab appearance and the title “How to improve health” (without a question mark, which means that the lady “knows exactly how” ...) has her “mini-library”.



We approach the tray with brochures, get permission to take "everything that interests," and among the literature we suddenly find out what, to put it mildly, with a stretch can be called information about the recovery. - A brochure, named by the unknown author, “God's Guidelines Shows the Way to Paradise.” The radical method of "recovery", is not it? ..



And the “doctors” who talk about this kind of “recovery” (“recovery” by coming to the next world), as it turned out from the data about the publisher, are our American “friends” (Brooklyn, New York) who composed this kind 14 medical gizmo years ago - in the 2001 year, and then, giving the task to their Spanish colleagues, they printed a brochure in Russian. It turns out that during the 14 years, the "well-being" methods have not changed ...

Flyer brochure:



A woman who spreads this kind of literature tried to explain that “recovery”, they say, should be understood as purely spiritual, which can be a beginning of recovery and physical, too, that paradise can also be achieved on Earth, if, of course, you visit at least several events involving knowledgeable people. One of these events is a kind of lecture session, which will tell you how to deal with bad habits, including smoking.

15 years ago, my friend, who smoked 1,5-2 cigarettes a day, seriously decided to get rid of this pernicious addiction, and “came across” one of these ads. Like, all your problems will be removed as a hand after just a few visits to the “courses”. After a couple of visits, a friend realized that these lecturers, hardly having at least some medical education, needed to be carried off their feet. The fact is that the stories about how harmful smoking is for some reason were accompanied by colorful descriptions of the close approximation of the end of the world. During the “courses”, people who naively thought that they were really going to help to quit smoking, methodically hammered into their heads, that this was due to people like them, who did not find themselves in a single brotherhood, and wars, all sorts of political conflicts, there is a thirst for money. Even hunger and earthquakes - everything, it turns out, also from people like them ... And so that neither hunger nor earthquakes happen (as you can see, the "scientific" rolls over), you need to become one of them - one of God's people, as these people themselves call themselves "modestly". - It is necessary to become a Jehovah's Witness (SI) - and all problems will be removed as a hand ...

In the brochure, the cover photo of which is presented above, exactly the same ideology is promoted. The little book is replete with reports that “the signs of the last days are more and more,” that “the end of the world is not far off,” and that you need to act, swearing allegiance to the orderly ranks of the Jehovists, who will certainly be saved ... You will all die, they say “righteous and benevolent "Representatives of the sect, - but we will be saved ... And those who" are sure to be saved, in this world are about 8 millions (statistics of the Witnesses themselves) with cells in more than 200 countries of the world. Cell management is carried out from the main office of the organization, located in Brooklyn (USA).

The greatest growth of adherents of this organization with a claim to domination occurred in 90-s, when the Soviet cell of the Jehovists who had previously been limited in capabilities and with the collapse of the USSR spread its wings and adopted hundreds of thousands of people from the post-Soviet space. If in 1989, the sect number was estimated at about 3 million people, by 2000 this number had doubled. Growth continues, including through active, if not to say aggressive, activity towards children.



One of the scandalous cases involving representatives of the sect occurred in the Republic of Mari-El. In the city of Volzhsk, in August 2015, an administrative (administrative only ...) case was initiated into the act, which in fact pulls the kidnapping of the child. The girl, who played in the yard on the playground, in an unknown (originally) direction was taken away by an unknown woman.

After several hours of fruitless searches, the child, fortunately, was found. It turned out that the girl, taking her hand, was taken to a "lecture-seminar" in one of the buildings in which the commercial company office was located. As the mother of the child, Natalya, notes, the girl’s behavior after this incident has changed - Alena (the name of the kidnapped girl) at first behaved closed, occasionally starting a conversation that reflected the influence of representatives of the sect. Just one session lasting several hours - and the child has turned, sorry for slang, into a person laden with “global problems”. How can this one-time session affect the further formation of the girl's psyche? - the question is more than serious.

As a result of consideration of the administrative case, the lady who took the child to the “seminar” in the “headquarters” of the Volzhsk sectarians was fined 10 thousand rubles. Does such a modest punishment reflect the suffering that the mother had to endure during the many hours of searching for her child, is it adequate to the psychological problems that the girl herself faced?

The mother of the child decided to appeal to a human rights organization with the loud name "Man and the Law" (Chiz), working in the territory of Mari-El. Natalya asked for help in the proceedings on the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Volzhka, an activity that is aimed, among other things, at outright making children zombie with more than dubious ideas. However, Chiz stated that they could not help Natalia, as the management departed on some very important business trip, and when it appears, nobody knows. Thus, the organization, operating under the slogan “Man. Dignity. Right. Freedom ”, demonstrated that with the protection of rights, dignity and freedom, it’s not so difficult, it just protects the rights of people with obvious selectivity. The rights of some - yes. The rights of others are in no way ... It is understandable, because the inter-regional public organization ChiZ is a typical representative of non-profit organizations-foreign agents, who even publish information about the regional representation in English on the site (apparently, it was clear to the main grantors ask about the direction of expenditure of funds allocated).

From the report of the State Television and Radio Company "Mari El":


Can one foreign agent (NPO) go against another foreign agent, which is actually a sect? Of course not ... Here is a vivid example: at one time in Gorno-Altaisk, the case of the head of the local SI cell, Alexander Kalistratov, was being considered, who evaded military service (he was replaced with alternative military service), and then he began to actively distribute materials recognized by extremist experts. We are talking about the publications of the so-called "Watchtower." From expert evaluations (Kemerovo State University):

The whole autobiography (Kalistratova) is presented as история the struggle of the righteous man with the unjust state-ideological system. (...) The hero tries in every way to avoid conscription, and these attempts are described with a positively-estimated tonality. (...) Consequently, the text of the brochure “Awaken!” Contains an incentive to refuse to perform civil duties related to military service.


The text “The Struggle for the Holy Place” contains a description of the wars for control over Jerusalem. The pathos of the text is that this whole struggle did not bring people closer to God. In the quoted fragment it is said that the wars of Christians for the Holy places actually denounced Christians of idolatry, discord, bloodshed. Along with this, the text does not report on the positive aspects of the life of Christian peoples and countries. Consequently, the text implements the original installation to create a negative image of the Christian religion and the peoples who profess it. (...) contains a deliberately negative image of the Christian religion, which provoked the peoples to bloodshed and discord.


Together with the beginning of the court hearing, both by the wave of a magic wand, both Russian and foreign “human rights activists” intensified. In particular, the notorious Lev Ponomarev, who heads the movement For Human Rights, together with Mr. Velimudr (as one of the leaders of the Russian Jehovah’s cell calls himself) took part in a press conference in which an assessment of the activities of Altai law enforcement officers in this case It was called “use of an administrative resource against public organizations”. And the Canadian representation of the Reuters news agency issued material that "Russia uses laws on extremism against dissidents." The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, who at the time was Mr. Lukin, went even further, saying:

Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.


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  1. EFA
    EFA 27 October 2015 06: 19 New
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    In fact, these "preachers" on the streets have long been hanging around the local train station for about two years.

    I came up to them once to ask what at least they were offering, well, out of curiosity, during the conversation, so nifiga I didn’t understand, a solid perdemonocle with an anathema.
    And most importantly, they poke all my waste paper, I don’t take it and continue to ask, they say, what kind of fraud, and if you want a lot of money, I mock in general.

    As a result, these ladies, realizing that I was not turning to faith, openly said: man go to yug!

    That is the whole religion.
    1. Mahmut 27 October 2015 06: 34 New
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      man go to yug!

      yug is written through y.
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        1. Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 49 New
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          Quote: EFA
          I wanted to write as it should - "th" next "y" and the last "x"

          All comments to delete?
          1. EFA
            EFA 27 October 2015 09: 23 New
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            If the estate itches like this, delete it.

            Attention! You do not have permission to view hidden text.
          2. kot28.ru 27 October 2015 14: 09 New
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            Alexander, the problem is really topical, and there are quite a lot of citizens who believe in such a crap hi ! I don’t understand them, today an article about sects was published on AMUR INFO, an uncle was introduced as one of the leaders in the rank of reserve lieutenant colonel from border guards, personally knew how they were washed with their brains? what
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      3. avdkrd 28 October 2015 01: 59 New
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        Quote: Mahmut
        man go to yug!

        yug is written through y.

        not so yuh
    2. Petrol 27 October 2015 11: 44 New
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      EFA
      so these preachers who advertise African trash here in Russia starting from olga (the secret wife of kanst purplish)
      and a new fashion The Scientology Crawl advertises one based on Ronald Hubbard's Dianetics
      but the essence is one - MONEY!
    3. Petrol 27 October 2015 12: 13 New
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      EFA I will continue
      I’ve talked with Mormons here (Americans like this too, young people walk around almost without an accent in Russian, the second is some kind of Ukrainian Diaspora dialect)
      they clung to the question
      Do you know the "Truth"
      damn me almost "torn" in general ..... and then Ostap suffered
      I told them so ... a short course outlined
      all from the science of the USSR and nothing more
      the man who in modern society is called Jesus Christ (although in reality he had a different name, his birth date was approximately 1152 - the planet parade was in those years) was 7 children in the family and the strongest psychic in the 4th generation (accidentally scientifically proved) in the USSR in the 60s at that time, the nuclear subject and the experiment related to saving the crew of an atomic submarine went wrong, the subject was on the verge of life and death, then the body began to save itself, as a result of which the person began to glow (tissue samples (sheet) with a body imprint were on balance in 70 years at the military medical academy) the guy himself or the subject worked there
      further more (briefly) X-DDDDDD
      desert god - zoomorphic face of the scarab beetle)) (the history of Dr. Egypt as amended by M.V. Kryukov and others)
      al_liluya - I am empty in translation from dr Aramaic)))
      love is the people of god of knowledge
      but I almost forgot)))
      I say to Mormon when a male male completes sexual intercourse that he shouts, “Oh God”
      So?? he says yes! then love is an act ..... with whom ???? !!!!!
      damn ... you would see their faces
      I know the most effective weapon against Americans is USSR SCIENCE!
      1. Major_Vortex 27 October 2015 12: 52 New
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        The Shroud of Turin is the falsification of pure water. There’s even nothing to discuss, and knowledgeable people are aware of how these “shrouds” are made and how many they are stamped with “pro-stock” and scattered in warehouses in different monasteries. Ten Jesus could not belong so much. The conveyor of fooling unsuspecting parishioners never stops. We need the “Shroud” - right now we’ll do it, and in Hollywood we’ll also shoot a movie with Angelina Jolie and Harrison Ford about saving the shroud from the hands of the Red Chekists or fascists.
        Forgive me, people who believe in these artifacts, but it is one thing to believe in God and adhere to biblical canons, but it is quite another to believe the creators of such "evidence" of the existence of God on Earth, dishonest. The paranoid Faith, pushing for such a lie, is no better than complete disbelief.
        1. Defender 28 October 2015 00: 00 New
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          Dear Major_Vortex! Believers will forgive of course ... However, do not consider it hard, if you are not arguing blaspheming the shrine, please read the text (the text) here: http: //profi-rus.narod.ru/pravoslavie/text/plasanica.htm And then try to prove your blasphemy. hi
          1. Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 00: 38 New
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            Quote: Defender
            important Major_Vortex! Believers will forgive of course ... However, do not consider it hard, if you are not arguing blaspheming the shrine, please read the text (the text) here: http: //profi-rus.narod.ru/pravoslavie/text/plasanica.htm And then try to prove your blasphemy.

            The Shroud of Turin is a fake. What blasphemy, do you even know the meaning of this word? I am a Christian, but I spoke with Catholics and in private conversations they share their thoughts that the Vatican has stamped so many fakes over its history that all these artifacts can no longer be taken seriously. If you rummage through the monasteries of Italy, where the Vatican itself is located, then you can dial shields and other fakes on the company of Jesus - these are not my words either. The Vatican is a small area in Rome, more precisely, it is a medieval fortress in Rome with the status of an independent state. The Vatican does not even have its own customs and the status of the state is very conditional. So here. The Shroud of Turin is a clear fake even not having any relation to the historical period of Christ's life. There are people who believe in this nonsense, some even write articles on this subject. It is like the American or Western European media demonizing Russia. There is much talk about this, but the truth in this talk is not even by 0,0001%, although several hundred million people in the world are under the influence of this lie. What do you want to believe this too? As for the Orthodox portals, we must approach their study of the materials laid out there with a sober mind. In Orthodoxy, people come across different people, you don’t know the ins and outs of every person, and sometimes they will write that it’s difficult to make unequivocal conclusions without a higher spiritual education, and sometimes a higher spiritual education is not enough to understand all this mess and it takes too many years so far of any kind misconceptions become apparent. Approach the study of these sober artifacts. Among the Catholic artifacts, there are a lot of fakes. This is now all smart and educated steel, there is the Internet, independent research by scientists. And 200-300 years ago, for such a statement, one could lose one’s life. Read the story of this Shroud. Sound articles skip this thread. Quite often educated and competent people write.
            1. Defender 28 October 2015 01: 03 New
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              You have not mastered the text by reference ... It's a pity ... I myself came across fakes and pseudo-religious tales. Unfortunately, such things are also found in the Orthodox. The ratio of Jude to the Disciples at all times is constant 1:12. However, the matter is not even in the Shroud, but in the “King in the head” of our compatriots.
              1. Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 03: 11 New
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                Quote: Defender
                You have not mastered the text by reference ... It's a pity ... I myself came across fakes and pseudo-religious tales. Unfortunately, such things are also found in the Orthodox. The ratio of Jude to the Disciples at all times is constant 1:12. However, the matter is not even in the Shroud, but in the “King in the head” of our compatriots.

                I did not encounter fakes among the Orthodox, I think that here you can dig something. And this is normal if there are revelations, because people are developing rapidly and it’s becoming more difficult to deceive a modern person. Christian teaching has been around for 2000 years and there are many fakes over this period. But the topic was specifically about the shroud. This old rag was traded at some merchant and its origin is doubtful. Scientists seriously examined it and confirmed that it was a fake. Given how many fakes there are of various religious artifacts in the world, the Shroud is just another episode of deceiving believers. The main shrine to call her and worship her should be on what basis? Common cult item. What does Jesus say in the Bible about cults, remember? There would be no cult of things, there would be no fakes. People create cults for themselves and allow themselves to be deceived. Everyone knows that both Catholics and Orthodox Christians preserve the Relics of the Saints - here even though a reliable analysis can be made and investigated, everything with a sufficient degree of certainty. A spear or shroud how to check? Scientists study some of these many artifacts and it turns out that even by age they do not correspond to the period of Christ's life described in the Bible. Why cheat yourself? Self-deception is not Faith, just as you don’t convince yourself otherwise.
                1. Defender 28 October 2015 07: 09 New
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                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  But the topic was specifically about the shroud.

                  Where did this topic come from? request
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  The main shrine to call her and worship her should be on what basis?

                  The main shrine of God.
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  A spear or shroud how to check?

                  Shroud i.e. The shroud was checked. According to my link (above), MDA professor Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev explores this "artifact". This is my teacher, I have no reason not to trust him. hi
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  Self-deception is not Faith, just as you don’t convince yourself otherwise.

                  With two hands for!)))
                  1. Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 11: 13 New
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                    Quote: Defender
                    Where did this topic come from?

                    You raised it, accusing me of lying, or as you put it in "blasphemy." Go oversleep, Father laughing

                    Quote: Defender
                    Shroud i.e. The shroud was checked. According to my link (above), MDA professor Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev explores this "artifact". This is my teacher, I have no reason not to trust him.

                    A protodeacon cannot act as an independent expert and scholar, and his judgments can be biased and politicized. Shroud was studied by serious scientists, conducted research. The probability that she was covered with the body of Christ would tend to zero. You would have attracted the Pope to research laughing
                    1. Defender 28 October 2015 23: 22 New
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                      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                      Quote: Defender
                      Where did this topic come from?
                      You raised it, accusing me of lying, or as you put it in "blasphemy." Go oversleep, Father

                      Dear, in your first commentary on this article, for no reason, you started blaming the Shroud and still accuse me of drunkenness wassat
                      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                      The Shroud of Turin is the falsification of pure water. There’s even nothing to discuss, and knowledgeable people are aware of how these “shrouds” are made and how many they are stamped with “pro-stock” and scattered in warehouses in different monasteries. Ten Jesus could not belong so much. The conveyor of fooling unsuspecting parishioners never stops. We need the “Shroud” - right now we’ll do it, and in Hollywood we’ll also shoot a movie with Angelina Jolie and Harrison Ford about saving the shroud from the hands of the Red Chekists or fascists.
                      Forgive me, people who believe in these artifacts, but it is one thing to believe in God and adhere to biblical canons, but it is quite another to believe the creators of such "evidence" of the existence of God on Earth, dishonest. The paranoid Faith, pushing for such a lie, is no better than complete disbelief.

                      In my opinion, to put it mildly, you are forgotten.

                      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                      A protodeacon cannot act as an independent expert and scholar, and his judgments can be biased and politicized. Shroud was studied by serious scientists, conducted research. The probability that she was covered with the body of Christ would tend to zero. You would have attracted the Pope to research


                      You argue referring to some "serious scientists" without linking to any. And in the text that I proposed to you, the protodeacon referred to specific scientists and their research. You ignore him.
                      Therefore, I see that we will not be able to adequately continue the conversation. Moreover, the theme of the Shroud of Turin is not for HE. stop
                      PS I'm not a holy father)))
                      1. Major_Vortex 29 October 2015 01: 39 New
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                        Quote: Defender
                        Dear, in your first commentary on this article, for no reason, you started blaming the Shroud and still accuse me of drunkenness

                        Once again it didn’t reach. Not the blasphemy, but the Vatican invented this linden to hang noodles to the parishioners. Old linden already fell into the hands of scientists. Sit and study the results. There, half of the vaults in the Vatican are littered with such fakes. The advanced detachments of the Pope have already sat down on their ears and prove that this is a "holy" little thing to primitive barbarians? Transfer time in vain to me, and even without you I know the true "value" of this rag and Kuraev for me is not the ultimate truth in any case. It is better to let the protodeacon carefully examine where he made a mistake in his "research." People wake up not only after drinking, but also after overwork.
                        And I know that you are not a holy father, do not worry. Because of this rag, we are still arguing.
        2. Defender 28 October 2015 00: 28 New
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          And also brothers, I want to remind: "A holy place does not happen empty!" If there is no “King in the head,” then His place will be taken by some kind of “god” pseudo-religious or any human passion, or maybe even “legion” at once.

          Without God, a nation is a crowd
          United by vice
          Or blind, or stupid,
          Or, even worse, is cruel.

          And let any one rise to the throne
          High syllable
          The crowd will remain a crowd
          Until he turns to God!

          In 2004, adherents of various sects eats Western money were brought to the Maidan.
          The Faith of the Fathers accepted by the mind and heart is a panacea for many bad things.
      2. EFA
        EFA 27 October 2015 14: 04 New
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        It is Benzin!
        Any tricky or uncomfortable questions regarding their beliefs confound them. However, this is true only for the "preaching flock" (and in fact, the agitators), but a dispute with the abbot or pastor who broadcasts in the church is already more complicated, he has intellect and he is much better oriented in theology, practically everything is the answer.

        For example, not far from me (about 20 minutes by car) a church was built, either of Adventists, or of witnesses, but the name on the facade is "The Prayer House" Fortress "." Officially (in our area) Pentecostals, Baptists, Scientologists are also registered (banned, but they are as a club of Hubbard’s works), Jehovah’s witnesses. And this is on a relatively small territory.

        Or else, I work with the Koreans, and they go to church (Protestants), for they are pious, although they sin as they breathe just a little less than other believers, but they have the audacity to rebuke you after a concrete drinking bout that you sinned yesterday. And so I went to the service there, in the Korean language of course, but I was transferred. The essence of the sermon and generally the main line (at least in this church) of “faith” is (as I understood from the translation) that only by losing everything you gain everything. Well, what would be easier for you - obligatory donations, moreover, at the rate! Not less than 1000 rubles (or won in equivalent), some, for income and 30-80 cr, are left for service.

        The sermon is very aggressive, with elements of psychological and physical impact, even the intonation and loudness of the voice is selected according to the content.

        In general, business.
        1. Thor 27 October 2015 16: 19 New
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          To disperse all these Jesuses, Jehovahs and other baptists with the Pagan Sledgehammer of Mjolnir !! am )))
          1. Throw 27 October 2015 17: 56 New
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            Or the Slavic Sword of Perun! angry
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              Dear, you forgot to add that your "ancient" faith of Perun is already a hundred thousand years old.
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            Some, the same "ancient" and respecting the "faith of the ancestors" like you, in Ukraine grabbed the "sledgehammer", but regularly fenced off from the "infidels." Not afraid to get something in tinsel in response?
            1. Throw 28 October 2015 00: 31 New
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              Her .. On Faith and Spirit just in Novoros stand. Only the Old Slavonic roots were forgotten, but it is they who give strength, and not the Hebrew Byzantine writers.
              So take care of your tinsel wink
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                They stand on Faith and Spirit just in Novoros.


                I agree, on faith in "the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Life-giving, Also from the Father proceeding, From the Father and the Son we bow and glorify, having spoken the prophets." (Symbol of faith)
                But no less than the faith of spirits in dead gods.

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                Only the roots of the Old Slavic forgot


                And you, you must understand, have not forgotten !? Well, educate the duck, but only the facts, please, and not the works of overseas "writers" and home-grown science fiction writers such as Pater Diy and Tyunyaev.
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            Have you reviewed the comics? :)))
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            Have you reviewed the comics? :)))
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          church, either Adventists, or witnesses, but the name on the facade is “The Fortress Prayer House”. ” Officially (in our area) Pentecostals, Baptists, Scientologists are also registered (banned, but they are as a club of Hubbard’s works), Jehovah’s witnesses. And this is on a relatively small territory.

          You in one bottle do not interfere.

          SI (Jehovah's Witnesses) - a sect founded by a sales agent suffering from a phobia of infernal torment.

          A little later, he conducted several successful scams, than laid the financial foundation of this organization.
          There are strong deviations from Christianity, images in their literature use the technology of subliminal visual reinforcement of the text developed by them (embedded pictures). Very rich organization.

          Mormons is a sect founded by a swindler who was fond of mediumship.

          Deviations even more. In fact, in this sect, Christianity is used only as a cover.

          Mormons have seized enormous power and influence in a number of US states, are one of the richest organizations in the world, have their own television stations, pocket corporations, their judges and their people everywhere in these states.

          Scientologists (Hubbardists, Dianetics) - a sect founded by a science fiction writer who dreamed of high profits, and decided to found a sect initially for profit.

          Use psychocoding, hypnosis, including with the help of medications. In the West, they do not shy away from intimidation and physical elimination of "unwanted people." Many Western actors and pop stars are recruited by this sect. Mired in contacts with special services. Lighted up in several high-profile cases of theft of secret data from the British intelligence.
          Summary: a semi-criminal group under the guise of US intelligence.

          Baptists, Pentecostals, Evangelists are branches of Protestantism. Virtually unchanged Christianity. There are quite harmless shtetl churches of the Protestant type (i.e., denying ritualism and centralization of church administration). However, there are (albeit not much), in fact, NGOs disguised as such churches, to our great regret. For example, the "church" of Alexei Ledyaev in Riga, which took part in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.


          I will also add that one of the most dangerous since health are numerous "schools of yoga of the neotantra," with the last word often omitted, where young people are involved in the practice of "neotantra." All “neotanthantrists” use texts and the “school” of Osho - a madman, a crook, a pimp and a criminal.
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        the man who in modern society is called Jesus Christ (although in reality he had a different name, his birth date was approximately 1152 - the planet parade was in those years) was 7 children in the family and the strongest psychic in the 4th generation (accidentally scientifically proven)

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        I say to Mormon when a male male completes sexual intercourse that he shouts, “Oh God”
        So?? he says yes! then love is an act ..... with whom ???? !!!!!

        Dear, from your text and many letters, I did not understand one who gave you the right to scoff and scold the feelings of believers? This is from what scientifically proven works have you drawn “your” biography of Jesus of Nazareth? How can you confirm these findings? I agree about the antisocial activities of Jehovah's Witnesses and, say, Mormons, but personally, I’m not happy to read your insulting fabrications about God, I am sure there are enough Orthodox here, they are baptizing frantically on many branches, as the trend says now, and I don’t see brothers in faith here, whom such insults are indignant. And note, your possible answer - do not want, do not read - is not interesting to me, the law of our country guarantees that no one has the right to mock my beliefs. I am genuinely upset by your "scientific" nature, which Zadornovsky antiscientific nonsense in linguistics and the meaning of the Old Slavic roots of words betray the incompetence of, the same free interpretation you have ...
        And since this is all that you poured in the form of text in the wake of urapatriotism and in the trend, everything that is associated with the State Department is a heap, here you are clearly overdone, discord on the national and religious foundation does not contribute to the strengthening and establishment of Russia, this is for you Read the history of the Fatherland at your leisure, well, at least a few paragraphs from a regular textbook, this is my advice to you, a lover of "science of the USSR" ....
        1. Your friend 27 October 2015 20: 46 New
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          I agree about the antisocial activities of Jehovah's Witnesses and, say, Mormons, but personally, I am not pleased to read your insulting fabrications about God

          Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?
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            Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

            I answer, they are not, because the above God does not insult and do not blaspheme. And I commented on a comrade who, of course, is not obliged to believe in God, this is his right, but clearly in his text he made an insult to God and it offended me as a believer. The law of the Russian Federation guarantees me the right not to be offended in my religious feelings in the media. Have I fully answered your question?
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              Quote: lubesky
              Quote: Your friend
              Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

              I answer, they are not, because the above God does not insult and do not blaspheme. And I commented on a comrade who, of course, is not obliged to believe in God, this is his right, but clearly in his text he made an insult to God and it offended me as a believer. The law of the Russian Federation guarantees me the right not to be offended in my religious feelings in the media. Have I fully answered your question?

              No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?
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                Quote: Your friend
                No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

                All these statements for a believer are blasphemy against God, mortal sin. And from the lips of an unbeliever these words are for me, as a believer, also a blasphemy, but I will not judge him, God will condemn. This is only his personal opinion and he has every right to do so. How am I fighting this? No way, I just do not keep silent, I warn the person that I know for sure the opposite, he cannot and should not say such a thing, I appeal to his conscience and if he remains unconvinced, this is his right.
                Now about the case when a person in the presence of me, a believer, talks about sexual intercourse (which in itself went in principle) and alludes to God and mixes these two phenomena - this person insults and tramples on my personal beliefs, scoffs at them, over mine beliefs. In this case, it violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation. So in this case, he offends my feelings of the believer (apparently this does not offend your feelings - your right).
                The right to NOT be silent in such cases is guaranteed to me by the constitution of my country, and my moral right to stop blasphemy against God was given to me by my service in the Russian Armed Forces, where I was in different situations and saw a lot of violent atheists who asked in a difficult time, one on one tell me more about God than the science of the USSR.
                I hope now I have given you a more complete answer.
                1. Your friend 29 October 2015 11: 57 New
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                  Quote: Your friend
                  No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

                  All these statements for a believer are blasphemy against God, mortal sin. And from the lips of an unbeliever these words are for me, as a believer, also a blasphemy, but I will not judge him, God will condemn. This is only his personal opinion and he has every right to do so. How am I fighting this? No way, I just do not keep silent, I warn the person that I know for sure the opposite, he cannot and should not say such a thing, I appeal to his conscience and if he remains unconvinced, this is his right.
                  Now about the case when a person in the presence of me, a believer, talks about sexual intercourse (which in itself went in principle) and alludes to God and mixes these two phenomena - this person insults and tramples on my personal beliefs, scoffs at them, over mine beliefs. In this case, it violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation. So in this case, he offends my feelings of the believer (apparently this does not offend your feelings - your right).
                  The right to NOT be silent in such cases is guaranteed to me by the constitution of my country, and my moral right to stop blasphemy against God was given to me by my service in the Russian Armed Forces, where I was in different situations and saw a lot of violent atheists who asked in a difficult time, one on one tell me more about God than the science of the USSR.
                  I hope now I have given you a more complete answer.

                  You gave me this answer: In the first case “but I will not judge him, God will condemn him”, in the second “In this case, he violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation . " Well in the logic you will not refuse. (((
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                    You gave me this answer: In the first case “but I will not judge him, God will condemn him”, in the second “In this case, he violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation . " Well in logic you will not refuse.

                    And the logic is, dear, that in the second case, he insulting God, insulted me personally, moreover, my indignation at this fact is not just a personal opinion, but the majority opinion, enshrined in the legislative act. I consider it, in general, very logical, to defend my beliefs and conscience, and in the first case, he is not obliged to believe, I can only convict him, but not condemn him. What is not logical here?
                    Does your logic, on the contrary, suggest that the Charlie-Ebdo editorial office was right in publishing an outright mockery of the prophet Muhammad, thereby offending the feelings of billions of Muslims? So, I will explain the logic to you - by publishing doubts about his belonging to the prophets - this is a permissible opinion, which, although outraged by Muslims, is acceptable by law, because this is the opinion of other people. It’s quite another matter to publish a caricature, OFFENDING a holy person for Muslims, which is stupid and provocative, which offends their feelings and beliefs. Mocking holy things for a person is not the same as expressing one’s opinion. Do you understand my logic now? If not, then you will not refuse this logic ..
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        3. Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 07 New
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          Do not dig into another hole - I speak as a person who is not interested. You do not like SI, but the user Petrol does not like the beliefs of your "believers". So there you go.
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      In Moscow, they still go to piles about apartments, literally a couple of days ago, such women got into the subject ... as they said, "help in understanding the Bible." He sent them to w .. and closed the door.

      By the way, they appear to be cunning, they start something like "Hello, our organization is carrying out today, in your district, work to help comprehend ... blah blah blah"
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    What a stupid and biased article. Even funny, except for its primitive background and clearly xenophobic hue. You still recognize the Bible as extremist for complete happiness and you will be a little Judaic happiness.
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      Another ADEPT! Justify what is the stupidity of this article?
      1. Oper6300 27 October 2015 11: 18 New
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        Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
        Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
        Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
        Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
        Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
        You can minus until you turn blue.
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          I constantly see these ladies, tried to photograph with all the Trichomonies, so they are in a cry. My mother’s mother-in-law visited her for such a few months and then she accidentally watched a program about sects on the box, as the grandmother whispered, asked to drive the “sisters” in three necks, it was five years ago.
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            There was a deal communicated with this brethren after several questions on the merits of the reaction like evil spirits to holy water.
        2. nov_tech.vrn 27 October 2015 15: 18 New
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          operas you're kind of frail, the maidan of the brain on your forehead is written
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          Quote: Oper6300
          Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
          Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
          Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
          Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
          Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
          You can minus until you turn blue.


          Funny? Sociable? Are you talking about those frightened aunts who go around our house a couple of times a month, steaming their watchtower?
          Lord, and in VO they are ....
          1. Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 14 New
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            Dear friend, I do not know who you saw, but we are talking about the masses and trends. I communicate with them much more often than many local commentators, and I can assure you that they do not send interlocutors to the south (unlike the population of this site). By the way, pay attention to their presentation style. Compare with what I write and another doubted.
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              Dear friend, I do not know who you saw, but we are talking about the masses and trends. I communicate with them much more often than many local commentators, and I can assure you that they do not send interlocutors to the south (unlike the population of this site). By the way, pay attention to their presentation style. Compare with what I write and another doubted.

              Um, if these women talk about the Bible, offer to study the Bible with SI, give brochures about SI ..... um. probably they are pastafarians, buddy?
              Who should I pay attention to, my friend? Who are theirs?
              And by the way, they drink. By their faith, drinking alcohol is not a sin. So don’t do it, my friend, this "Plus they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish)". You "communicate with them much more often, you might know.)))
    2. Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 06: 45 New
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      Even funny, except for its primitive background and clearly xenophobic hue.

      What sect? Witness God Kuzi?
      1. Ruslan67 27 October 2015 06: 55 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Witness God Kuzi?

        Understood Cousin Mother wassat
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          Quote: Ruslan67
          Understood Cousin Mother

          Cousin virgin in witnesses, witnessed the fall of Kuzi laughing
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            witnessed the fall of Kuzi

            So how do you now have a snack after this snout? belay
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              This snout has already been hidden behind bars; in the zone he will see the true karma of being at the bucket.
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              Quote: Ruslan67
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              witnessed the fall of Kuzi

              So how do you now have a snack after this snout? belay

              Damn, I also nearly vomited!
              P.S., (as applied to the article):
              I also watched Ms. Alekseeva, an old woman coughing (probably her Russian name, probably her husband)!) persuaded Putin to change his attitude to NGOs in Russia. Like, they are good, honest, good and prosperity wish Russia, children, and you are in foreign countries. agents recorded!

              Also almost vomited from these words and from her appearance!
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                Damn, I also nearly vomited!
                P.S., (as applied to the article):

                Quote: Baikonur
                Also almost vomited from these words and from her appearance!

                So I did not understand, you are smart or beautiful. Full of discord in thoughts.
    3. B.T.V. 27 October 2015 06: 51 New
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      You still recognize the Bible as extremist for complete happiness and you will be a little Judaic happiness.


      And where does the Bible come from ?! Once I had a conversation with SI representatives, to my answer that I was baptized, I heard that “faith can be changed”, after these words, I had to send them “far and for long”. Enrages them with importunity, they leak into houses like cockroaches (intercoms are not an obstacle for them, however, the residents themselves are to blame for this), they make phone calls (they had to threaten criminal prosecution if the calls did not stop). Once, in an interview with a relative of her friend, who is a Jehovah’s, she asked him the question: “why do they use household appliances, live in comfortable housing, if according to their teachings, is this all about the machinations of Satan? !!” In response, she did not hear anything intelligible, but she acquired an enemy.
      1. Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 22 New
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        And you, "baptized", sent them words from the Holy Scriptures?
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    5. Baloo 27 October 2015 08: 11 New
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      In the mid-90s, a guy jumps up at a bus stop and starts campaigning for the Baptists-evangelists. I tell him: guy, look around you for how many beautiful girls! What are you wasting your life on. That wilderness, his head lowered, a tear came. Looks like on hooks ... angry
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        I tried to get through to this, the guy can be removed as the standard of the true Aryan, and he suffers from garbage. However, he was hard to see his brain, his eyes were like a doll, and all my rhetoric was in vain. But his partner tried to argue quite skillfully, but quickly realizing who she encountered, she quickly dumped and dragged him along.
    6. free 27 October 2015 09: 14 New
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      and here the sectarian has granted, the admin is your way out!
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        admin is your way out!


        What for? He did not break anything, and in the minus he would be pounded. And he will be happy.
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          What can you say about my opponent? nov_tech.vrn (1) RU Today, 15:18 ↑
    7. Batia 27 October 2015 10: 04 New
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      You apparently did not come across these preachers. These are real people and with real tasks of zombifying the population. if letting their actions take their course, it will be a disaster, because not everyone with a stable psyche will send these preachers to the yug. To eradicate this infection have not yet been late.
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      And you read it, it immediately becomes clear where from “My Fight” the legs grow, unless of course you think about what is written there.
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    1. free 27 October 2015 09: 16 New
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      for treason and immediately on the count of aspen!
  4. Zomanus 27 October 2015 06: 28 New
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    Yes, we ourselves need not to blunt and burn such literature,
    pour paint, spoil in every way.
    If society itself does not begin to oppose this heresy,
    the state will do nothing.
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    Once he said to such a “former teacher” who stood with her goods near an electric train station near Moscow distributing this literature: Aren’t you ashamed, elderly woman, to lead true young people out of the way? "I didn’t get an answer. Then I wrote a request to the local council of deputies, its head, the former mayor of our city near Moscow. I’m still waiting for an answer, and the sectarians are still standing. Suddenly I accidentally find out that this deputy is flying to work from ... Spain. Now let's add the address of the printing house, a villa in Spain , money from the USA and get what we see.
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      Suddenly I accidentally find out that this deputy is flying, it turns out, to work from ... Spain. Now add up the address of the printing house, a villa in Spain, money from the USA and get what we see.
      Outrageous. Where is the landing?
  6. strelets 27 October 2015 06: 33 New
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    Catchers of souls. It is worth approaching them to a weak or unhappy person - and that's all, clawed bogged down, an abyss to the whole bird.
    They are no better than terrorists, they must be banned and dispersed, all sectarians sent for compulsory treatment. Maybe they can’t be saved, so at least they won’t destroy the new ones.
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    without parental consent, take the child to a “lecture” of such “dissident social activists”, injuring the psyche of both the child and the mother


    - this is a criminal article ... and parents can legally solder the millionth claim of this organization for moral damage and suffering of the child ... the main thing is to document all aspects of this case in time.
  8. Basil50 27 October 2015 07: 17 New
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    Another oddity, according to * Satanists *, is that any Satan can be called up in the Bible, only there is something to be wise, and please come. The Bible is obligatory in this rite; for some reason, you cannot do without it. And how many different interpretations on the topic of God, and all with fire in his eyes. If * the word of God * is one book - * the Bible *, then it should be clear to everyone, but there are so many oral and written interpreters that the question arises of the honesty of all theology. Indeed * literature * theological is immeasurable. Is this what they correct their god all the time? Where does such arrogance come from? And they dare to demand respect for themselves.
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      If the Bible is true, then it cannot contradict MYSELF. However, there are contradictions in the Bible. And to myself. Bible writers did not bother to coordinate their opuses with their predecessors and with each other.
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      Another oddity, according to * Satanists *, is that any Satan can be called up in the Bible, only there is something to be wise, and please come. The Bible is obligatory in this rite; for some reason, you cannot do without it. And how many different interpretations on the topic of God, and all with fire in his eyes. If * the word of God * one book - * the Bible *, then it should be clear to everyone, but there are so many oral and written interpreters that the question arises of the honesty of all theology. Indeed * literature * theological is immeasurable. Is this what they correct their god all the time? Where does such arrogance come from? And they dare to demand respect for themselves.


      You are deeply mistaken. Satanists use the “black bible” anti-Bible for their ceremonies. The author is American Satanist Anthony La Wei. And so many interpreters speak not of “the honesty of all theology” or “that they correct their god all the time”, but the difficulties of translating from ancient Greek , ancient Aramaic languages. And whence such conclusions, especially about "still dare to demand respect for oneself." It would not hurt you to express your thoughts more respectfully so as not to offend anyone in vain.
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        ... and the difficulties of translation from ancient Greek, ancient Aramaic.

        Oh yes of course! Translation difficulties are so great that numerous Bible commissions have been involved in these translations for decades.
        1. navigator 27 October 2015 20: 00 New
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          ... and the difficulties of translation from ancient Greek, ancient Aramaic.

          Oh yes of course! Translation difficulties are so great that numerous Bible commissions have been involved in these translations for decades.


          Well, yes, you are a teacher of chemistry and biology, and even your husband says that you are more like Kahlan Amnell. And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades? Everything has been translated for a long time. Interpretation is not a translation. they interpreted everything wrongly.
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            Of course, my character and professional activity are not relevant to the question. Just why did you decide that I must lock myself in their framework?
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            And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades?

            I read a lot. smile
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              Of course, my character and professional activity are not relevant to the question. Just why did you decide that I must lock myself in their framework?
              Quote: navigator
              And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades?

              I read a lot. smile


              And why did you get that I decided so? You so fervently, waving a sword like your beloved heroine, judge peremptorily .... theologians. What is interpreted for decades is simple. The Bible is untrue because it contradicts itself, I so I decided. And you don’t contradict yourself? By the way, we all read a lot and therefore we often imagine ourselves smarter than others. And is that a question or not.
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                And why did you get that I decided so? You are so fervently, waving a sword like your beloved heroine, peremptorily judge .... theologians.

                But Bogosov can not be judged? Are theologians such super beings, do they all know and are they faultless? Well right popes. Or is theology exact science and its statements verified by experience? Maybe we will equate mythology with mathematics, physics and astronomy.
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                What is interpreted for decades is simple. The Bible is not true, because it contradicts itself, I decided so.

                This is not what I decided, my sir, this is logic. "Two conflicting judgments cannot be true at the same time. At least one of them is false."
                If we take the point of view of theologians that the scriptures are inspired, then the presence of the statement “A is equal to B” in one biblical book and the presence of the statement “A is not equal to B, but equal to 1 / 2 C and 3 / 8 D” in another bible book , to put it mildly, strange. The omniscient God does not dictate what he dictated before? Or do those who write this dictation do not care with hearing?
                Interpretation is to turn around and reconcile contradictions.
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                And you do not contradict yourself?

                Give me the facts and I admit that you are right.
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                By the way, we all read a lot and therefore we often imagine ourselves smarter than others. And whether or not this is a question.

                But there is an incentive to eliminate ignorance and fill the gaps.
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                  But Bogosov can not be judged? Are theologians such super beings, do they all know and are they faultless? Well right popes. Or is theology exact science and its statements verified by experience? Maybe we will equate mythology with mathematics, physics and astronomy.


                  Well, you certainly are not the pope. Compare with biology.

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                  Or is it unimportant for those who write this dictation to hear? Interpretation is to turn out and reconcile contradictions.


                  Do you always express yourself so vulgarly? There is no desire to prove something to you, you are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone. This is Socrates, unlike you, he said: “I know that I know nothing.” But you are not Socrates, you are a teacher. Only I am not your student and theology is not biology. You are beguiled.

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                  Give me the facts and I admit that you are right.


                  Do not recognize, you will refute, prove your case. Eliminate ignorance and fill in the gaps.
                  1. Kahlan amnell 28 October 2015 12: 09 New
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                    Are you always so vulgarly expressed?

                    And what is vulgarity, Mr. apologist for theology? In spelling things by their proper names?
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                    There is no desire to prove something to you, they are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone.

                    This is already known, as they always say when there is nothing to say in essence.
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                    This Socrates, unlike you, said: "I know that I know nothing."

                    The statement is attributed to Socrates. Other sources attribute it to Democritus. But we will not argue, we agree with Plato and accept Socrates' authorship. And what follows from this?
                    Socrates explained his idea this way: people usually think that they know something, but it turns out that they don't know anything. Thus, it turns out that, knowing about my ignorance, I know more than everyone else. It would seem that the statement contains a logically contradictory statement: if a person does not know anything, then he cannot know that he does not know. This is a kind of attempt to formulate the ratio of the known to the unknown. It can be visualized as follows: imagine that all our knowledge is the internal surface of the sphere, and ignorance is external. The larger our knowledge becomes, the larger the surface area of ​​the sphere becomes, and therefore our “contact” with the unknown.
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                    ... and theology is not biology.

                    And not even chemistry. Theology is a "science" of the unprovable and unverifiable nonexistent.
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                    Do not recognize, will refute, prove your case.

                    Would you really want something else? Or do you still risk looking and presenting the facts?
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                    Eliminate ignorance and fill in the gaps.

                    And you join. This is useful.
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                  3. Kahlan amnell 28 October 2015 12: 16 New
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                    Well, you certainly are not the pope. Compare with biology.

                    In other words, be silent, woman, and know your place?
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                      [quote = Kahlan Amnell] [quote = navigator] Do you always use such vulgar language? [/ quote]
                      And what is vulgarity, Mr. apologist for theology? In spelling things by their proper names?
                      [quote = navigator] There is no desire to prove something to you, they are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone. [/ quote]
                      This is already known, as they always say when there is nothing to say in essence.
                      [quote = navigator] This is Socrates, unlike you said: "I know that I don’t know anything." [/ quote]
                      The statement is attributed to Socrates. Other sources attribute it to Democritus. But we will not argue, we agree with Plato and accept Socrates' authorship. And what follows from this?
                      Socrates explained his idea as follows:

                      You played too much, not a lesson in chemistry or biology. I do not need to explain how Socrates explained the idea.

                      [quote = navigator] ... and theology is not biology. [/ quote]
                      And not even chemistry. Theology is a "science" of the unprovable and unverifiable nonexistent.

                      That's all. The debate is over.

                      [quote = navigator] Do not recognize, will refute, prove your case. [/ quote]
                      Would you really want something else? Or do you still risk looking and presenting the facts?

                      Risk what? Provide facts? Interpretation of the Bible? And to whom, you, your mind?

                      [quote = Kahlan Amnell] In other words - be silent, woman, and know your place? [/ Quote]


                      Scream, woman, and forget your place. Please do not write your pearls anymore.
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                        That's all. The debate is over.

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                        Scream, woman, and forget your place. Please do not write your pearls anymore.

                        So we debated. laughing
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        2. samuil60 27 October 2015 20: 19 New
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          When people boast of their illiteracy (and historical, including) - this is a disaster. Yes, a lot of charlatans got divorced. But to consider all the clergy as swindlers, and all believers as idiots, this, fatty, is already the height of stupidity. Then the idiots were Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people. And for two thousand years there have been many who wish to present everything as fiction. As, for example, talk about polls of raped German women in the 45th. But it did not work, And you, comrades, will not work. And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?
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            And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

            Or very, very surprised ... what repeat smile
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            When people boast of their illiteracy (and historical, including) - this is a disaster. Yes, a lot of charlatans got divorced. But to consider all the clergy as swindlers, and all believers as idiots, this, fatty, is already the height of stupidity. Then the idiots were Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people. And for two thousand years there have been many who wish to present everything as fiction. As, for example, talk about polls of raped German women in the 45th. But it did not work, And you, comrades, will not work. And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

            How can you laugh or cry after the death of the body?
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            Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people
            What - Christians and the 9th commandment have already been canceled?
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  9. encarcelado 27 October 2015 07: 19 New
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    Dear author, most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand. It is necessary to separate the lamb from the goats.

    Everything is clear with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons - these are classic sects. But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations? These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. It's just that in Russia, in the dark, it is customary to consider all but Orthodox and Muslims as sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.

    In short, the author, this world, not dregs.
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      But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations?

      To the bonfire for heresy am
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        most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand.
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      What? Is Russia being driven to Protestants? Or who forbade Lutheran churches?
      Do not distort!
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      Dear author, most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand. It is necessary to separate the lamb from the goats.

      Everything is clear with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons - these are classic sects. But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations? These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. It's just that in Russia, in the dark, it is customary to consider all but Orthodox and Muslims as sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.

      In short, the author, this world, not dregs.

      Well, why, in Russia, apart from Muslims and Orthodox Christians, there are a lot of Buddhists, who are in general unmeasured in the world!
      Catholics, Lutherans and other variations of Christianity, yes, these are not sects ..... we just have very few of them, it happened historically!
      So representatives of these faiths do not bother people on the street!
      The goal of creating various sects in the vast majority is to obtain material wealth! At the same time, the adherents themselves, with joy, give away everything that has been acquired through overwork. If memory serves, the Scientology founder Hubboard was asked before his death why he had created it. He honestly answered, make money. His business then did not seem to die out .... the Church of Scientologists (Dianetics) still exists.
    4. Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 39 New
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      These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans

      Ask SI and they will say that all of the above are sects. And at the same time, all these sects do not consider themselves sects, but they consider sectarians of everyone else.
      What kind of sect do you represent?
      1. encarcelado 27 October 2015 09: 25 New
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        Three sentences, three factual errors.
        1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the dominant church. In a figurative sense, it is a group of people who are withdrawn in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are more than a billion of them. Orthodox a little less than three hundred thousand.
        2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians.
        3. I can’t imagine any sect. Just studied religion.
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          Just studied religion.
          NGOs or grants from Soros?
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          1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the dominant church. In a figurative sense, it is a group of people who are withdrawn in their narrow interests.

          By the way, Christianity was considered a sect within the framework of Judaism for about 30 years after the crucifixion of Christ. Historical fact.
          But I generally think that religion in the state should be one. We’ve been living with Muslims for a long time, and even graters are constant. And then Catholics with Protestants climb to us, paid for by the Vatican (By the way, fish are glued onto the trunk of a car). On the basis of differences in religious beliefs, it is convenient to drive a wedge into one nation. Yugoslavia as an example.
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          But Protestant Catholics are quite.
        4. navigator 27 October 2015 20: 22 New
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          Three sentences, three factual errors. 1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the dominant church. In a figurative sense, is a group of people who are locked in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are more than a billion of them. Orthodox a little less than three hundred thousand. 2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians. 3. I can’t imagine any sect. Just studied religion.


          Sly, with your baggage you cannot help but know that a sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

          The fact that quantity does not replace quality, you also cannot know, what is the difference how many Protestants.

          It also does not matter whether Protestants of Catholics and Orthodox sectarians believe or not.
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          Three sentences, three factual errors. 1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the dominant church. In a figurative sense, is a group of people who are locked in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are more than a billion of them. Orthodox a little less than three hundred thousand. 2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians. 3. I can’t imagine any sect. Just studied religion.


          Sly, with your baggage you cannot help but know that a sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

          The fact that quantity does not replace quality, you also cannot know, what is the difference how many Protestants.

          It also does not matter whether Protestants of Catholics and Orthodox sectarians believe or not.
    5. navigator 27 October 2015 09: 24 New
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      “It’s just that in Russia, in the dark, everyone except Orthodox and Muslims is considered to be sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.”

      The number speaks only about the size of the sect, Moon’s adherents are also millions - they, too, as you write, are “official mainstream Christian movements,” who have NO RELATIONSHIP TO CHRISTIANITY, just like Jehovah's Witnesses. If you don’t know what a sect is, then enlighten for a start. Refer to the numerous Baptists, find out who they are and where and why they appeared. Then the author will have no complaints about the turbidity, which is not in the article.
      1. encarcelado 27 October 2015 09: 37 New
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        And why is it not related to Christianity? He studied religion for several years, read the Bible in three languages, and studied at the seminary. Are you sure that I should be enlightened, and not vice versa?
        1. navigator 27 October 2015 09: 44 New
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          "And why doesn’t it have to do with Christianity? I studied religion for several years, read the Bible in three languages, studied at the seminary. Are you sure that I should be educated, and not vice versa?"

          Absolutely. Although it would be on the list of "merit", not to mention ignorance of the topic.
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            Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy, where in addition to the Bible, the authoritative source is also considered “tradition” - decisions of popes, patriarchs, church councils, teachings of monks, saints, etc. In fact, Protestantism, these are the same "old" Christian movements, minus all the lard and slag that grew over two millennia after the writing of the Gospel. There are no new teachings and strange interpretations there.

            I have a reasoned position. Your statements, however, are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter.
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              "I have a reasoned position. Your statements are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter."

              I just don’t want to waste time on meaningless disputes with you, in which you are trying to get involved, but from you, “I studied religious studies for several years, read the Bible in three languages, studied at the seminary” and “argumentative position”.
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              Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy


              Do you speak the Bible? And where are the lines in the Bible that homosexuality is charitable?
              "If anyone lies with a man, as with a woman, then both of them have done an abomination: let them be put to death, their blood be upon them." (Leviticus, 20:13) You, as a connoisseur studying religious studies, should know these lines.
              And now these "Christian Christian" churches are at the head of the justification of sin!
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                And where are the lines in the Bible that homosexuality is charitable?
                There are other lines that say that homosexuality God punishes those who, having known God, did not glorify him as a god, and “changed the glory of the incorruptible god into an image similar to a corruptible man” - Romans 1: 18-28.

                These punished people now apparently realized their unrighteousness and are trying to repent, but for some reason you are unhappy with this ...
            3. Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 40 New
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              Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy, where in addition to the Bible, the authoritative source is also considered “tradition” - decisions of popes, patriarchs, church councils, teachings of monks, saints, etc. In fact, Protestantism, these are the same "old" Christian movements, minus all the lard and slag that grew over two millennia after the writing of the Gospel. There are no new teachings and strange interpretations there.

              I have a reasoned position. Your statements, however, are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter.


              Indeed, charismatics are quite Protestants. "Finally" there are no new teachings and strange interpretations there. Yeah.
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          What else is really useful for progressive humanity that you credit yourself besides waving to the enemies of Russia?
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          studied at the seminary.

          What branch of Christianity do you consider your faith?
          1. encarcelado 27 October 2015 10: 56 New
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            I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination. I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings. This probably makes me closer to the Protestants.
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              I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination.

              That is, you are a logician. Maybe then you will be closer to the teachings of the Gnostics, not Protestants?
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              I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination. I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings



              Specialist of a wide profile.
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        1. navigator 27 October 2015 11: 59 New
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          "We are already on the" you ")) Well, brother. Let me explain to you on the fingers - you don’t push bullshit, if you don’t rummage about the topic. How many organizations do you know personally and how many were there to open your mouth and honest "You have to answer for the bazaar, but any rooster can hide behind an avatar with a shoulder strap."

          A quote from the song: “Steeper than a damn thing in the zone,” well done. Here is a true theologian who writes: “I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings. This probably makes me closer to the Protestants.”
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            And I'm not a theologian. Yes, even if it were, knowledge of the great and powerful as well as the use of irony does not detract from the latter.
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        3. Independent 27 October 2015 12: 00 New
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          We are already on the "you")) Well, brother. Let me pound on your fingers - you don’t push bullshit, if you do not rummage in the subject. How many such organizations do you personally know and how many were to open your mouth and drive honest guys. You have to answer for the bazaar, and any rooster can hide behind an avatar with a shoulder strap.

          Oh, Mr. Protestant not only mastered the history of religions, but also Fenya in full. There were good teachers.
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      These sects are someone's business. Turchinov’s merits we know. The oligophrenic who killed the Armenian family in Gyumri, the son of the leader of the Baptist church in Siberia. The crime was committed on the holiday of the sect; to tell.
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      THAT ONE Crap all these currents
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    These crooked witnesses are especially active in the province. In our town the number of such western parishes is equal to the sum of a mosque plus churches.
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    These aunts often wiped themselves around the hospital when I had a fracture. They "caught" visitors to heal their relatives, their mother scolded them and said that the doctors themselves treat well, if they want to help the sick, let them sweep the tracks.
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      "These aunts often wiped themselves around the hospital when I had a fracture. They" caught "visitors to heal their relatives, their mother scolded them and said that the doctors treat them well, if they want to help the sick, let them sweep the tracks."

      Well done Your mom, this is the most effective method.
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    Want to cut the dough, come up with a religion ...
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    A few years ago, preachers knocked on the door. One grandmother divine dandelion, the second very sexy girl. I liked the girl, I decided to try to get her out of the sect. For a month and a half I went to their gatherings and made an important conclusion: in the sect, it is good for people who are spineless and lost. If a person has willpower, if there is something that he appreciates in this world, if there is at least a fraction of the ability to perceive information through the prism of criticism, no brainwashing can cope with it. And they replaced the place of deployment. I come again - but they are not there. Now, if these sectarians in the street ask me: "Do you want to talk about God?" I answer: "What can I say about me?" It’s so funny to look at their faces at the same time ...
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    People, do you hear yourself? Are you ready to drive people who differ from you in religious grounds, burn their books, put them in jail ... And then what ...? On the thumb ..?
    You, who do not have a drop of faith, but who have fastened crosses on their necks, instead of amulets. Who gave you the right to slander those who at least try to save their soul, to fulfill the will of their God?
    What sins are committed Witnesses to commit persecution against them, why does the flywheel begin to unwind in Russia ??? Specifically, according to the Christian faith, what sins ???
    You. ready to break, not wanting to be like you, do you know WHY did Jesus come ??? Do you know WHAT He teaches ???
    You don’t give a damn about it! People like you killed Christ!
    The most primitive article .... but not scribble. Besides the negative to the Witnesses, what is it about? What spiritual experience does the author have in order to express opinions on such issues? What does he himself believe in?
    Why did he even post an article, and even without having studied publicly available information?

    Or is that not true? -
    And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that "Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents."
    Or is this not true? - The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, whom Mr. Lukin was at that time, went even further, saying:

    Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
    And one more thing, with regards to the children about whose fate you are so “worried” - look at yours better — how do they grow and are brought up — on Christian principles and norms? NO! So go and take care of the log in your eye, jealous of the faith .......
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      The faith of the Russian person is one - Orthodox. Our ancestors gave their lives for it, they built Russia. What are these sectarians building? The other world? Sit in yourself in a purely personal world, I am a programmer and can live where I want, where they pay more there, is it good for me? And this country prevents me from plunging into myself.
      Such reasoning is the way to the death of the soul. I repeat the faith of the Russians alone - Orthodox. No one is imposing her, but we will not let her be betrayed. And let these sectarians go to the city of Grozny, campaign, if they have time.
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        The faith of the Russian person is one - Orthodox.

        Please outline briefly the principles of your Orthodox faith. What do you believe in and what you won’t let betray? And you can find out right away, where do you get knowledge about the truth?
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          Please outline briefly the principles of your Orthodox faith. What do you believe in and what you won’t let betray? And you can find out right away, where do you get knowledge about the truth?

          Che decided to ruin or tell about Jehovah?
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            Flood moderator not by status, sort of?
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              Flood moderator not by status, sort of?

              I received my minus happily. Jehovah, give my regards to Washington
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                  !! Come inside, flood.

                  You will not be on the site for long lol
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          Dear, a person has faith in the soul, and it is not customary for us to open the soul to the first comer-cross. And then, learn to lead discussions, I didn’t drink with the Brudershaft and didn’t switch to “you”.
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            Dear, a person has faith in the soul, and it is not customary for us to open the soul to the first comer-cross. And then, learn to lead discussions, I didn’t drink with the Brudershaft and didn’t switch to “you”.

            Unable to say “B” - no need to say “A”, especially in the most serious matter. On what basis should I "stick out" to you? What offended you?
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              On you turn to strangers. You eat soup with a spoon, not with your hands, I hope? This is just a leading question.
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                ivan3211 27 October 2015 15: 14 New
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                From time immemorial, in Russia they turned to you, and even to the rulers! To God and Jesus, in prayers how are they addressed ???
                And "you" it came from the hated YOU west.
                I repeat the question, what hurt you, you ???
      2. encarcelado 27 October 2015 09: 31 New
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        Two hundred years ago, someone like you would say that the faith of a Russian person is an Old Believer. And a thousand years ago - that paganism. Replace the word "Orthodox" with "Islam", and "Russian people" with "Tatar" - it will turn out the same. Some cliche, stupid and brainless.
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          "Two hundred years ago, such as you would say that the faith of a Russian person is Old Believers. And a thousand years ago - that paganism. Replace the word" Orthodox "with" Islam ", and" Russian person "with" Tatar "- it will turn out the same. Some cliche, stupid and brainless. "

          Did they teach you how to express yourself at the seminary, or does the Bible teach you to condemn? As for the substitution of words. Words are refuted by words who refute life. Words can be changed, but the content of these words is not. And reading the Holy Scriptures in three languages ​​and three years in the seminary, and you don’t see the difference between Orthodoxy, paganism, Islam. It did not help, it’s sad.
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    2. B.T.V. 27 October 2015 08: 17 New
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      You, who do not have a drop of faith, but who have fastened crosses on their necks, instead of amulets. Who gave you the right to slander those who at least try to save their soul, to fulfill the will of their God?


      And how do you know how many “drops of faith” we have ?! Personally, I am not opposed to SI “doing the will of HIS God,” but I do not want them to try to convert me to their faith. Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, nor Orthodox, nor Protestants stand on the streets, go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!
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        ivan3211 27 October 2015 08: 41 New
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        Quote: B.T.W.
        Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants stand on the streets, do not go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!

        Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!
        “And Jesus said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you be fishers of men” (Mark 1:17), said Jesus to Simon and Andrew, “to the Apostles.” Many parables told by Jesus, namely about the obligation of a believing person to carry the Good News about what Jesus revealed to them, about himself, about His Father, about the Kingdom of Heaven, which awaits those who love God.
        And the fact that the Witnesses are accused of obsession, we are all not without sin .... But why then are you silent about imposed from all sides, outright devilry, love of money and your passions and desires? Where is your indignation?
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          Quote: ivan3211
          Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!
          “And Jesus said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you be fishers of men” (Mark 1:17), said Jesus to Simon and Andrew, “to the Apostles.” Many parables told by Jesus, namely about the obligation of a believing person to carry the Good News about what Jesus revealed to them, about himself, about His Father, about the Kingdom of Heaven, which awaits those who love God.



          Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.
          1. Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 48 New
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            Quote: B.T.W.
            Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

            Tanya is a sectarian. They constantly tear out what is needed from the Bible and quote. Hello hi
            1. B.T.V. 27 October 2015 08: 53 New
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              Hello Sasha! Yes, I understood from the first comment that he was a "representative". It was just interesting how much it was enough, without references to the Bible.
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                ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 28 New
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                Yes, I understood from the first comment that he is a "representative

                If you are a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization, then I’m not a member of it, I wasn’t, And I didn’t go to them once.
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                  So go away! You'll like it. Right
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                  Quote: ivan3211
                  If you are a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization, then I’m not a member of it, I wasn’t, And I didn’t go to them once.

                  But I read manuals.
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              1. taram taramych 27 October 2015 13: 30 New
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                The definition of "sect", hammer in a search engine and select the option that suits you.
                Quote: Boris55
                who decides which prophecies we should know and which not?

                The synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Tanya is a sectarian. They constantly tear out what is needed from the Bible and quote

              You'd better fill the head with the Bible ...
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            Quote: B.T.W.
            Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

            Your question?-
            Quote: B.T.W.
            Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants stand on the streets, do not go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!
            The lamb is simpler and shorter, because the Witnesses try to fulfill the will of God, and those who do not go and do not tell do not fulfill the will of God. Everything is clearly and clearly stated in the Bible — why are you not using this book?
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              because the Witnesses try to fulfill the will of God, and those who do not go and do not tell do not fulfill the will of God


              Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.
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                Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.

                But about the fact that, simply, God is who He is and what He wants from us, Jesus obliges his followers to tell all people according to the will of their Father! All of this is stated in the Bible, and you, as a baptized person, should not be ashamed of this to know .... It should be ....., but it’s not a shame.
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                  telling all people


                  And do not impose. Why should I be ashamed of the fact that I do not know the Bible by heart ?! Do you know everything by heart or pull out what is needed from the text and present it as the ultimate truth ?!
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                    ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 47 New
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                    Quote: B.T.W.
                    Why should I be ashamed of the fact that I do not know the Bible by heart ?!

                    For the Bible is not an authority for you and not an inspired book! For the fact that you don’t even want to know what she’s talking about, while calling yourself purified — “baptized,” and a believer.
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                      For the Bible is not an authority for you and not an inspired book! For the fact that you don’t even want to know what she’s talking about, while calling yourself purified — “baptized,” and a believer.


                      I try, if possible, to treat people the way I would like to be treated, therefore: God grant you health!
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                  It should be ....., but it’s not a shame.

                  I have a feeling - goodbye fool. punched .. wassat
              2. Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 12: 37 New
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                Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.
                16.08.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Patriarch Kirill: Liberal press thwarts catechesis at school
                Therefore, under President Medvedev had to make a compromise decision - on teaching the foundations of the cultures of religions or secular ethics, said the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

                http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2012/08/16/patriarh_rpc_aktiviziruet_s
                otrudnichestvo_s_gosudarstvom_v
            2. Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 56 New
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              Witnesses try to do God's will

              In his interpretation of understanding the will of God. They have no such thing as defending their homeland with weapons in their hands. Relight for them is a sinner.
              In most countries, this sect is prohibited, but this ban does not prevent sectarians from printing Russian-language booklets in these countries. From my point of view, Jehovah’s are one link in a chain of various combinations whose purpose is the decomposition of the integrity of the mentality of the Russian people.
              Pagan views still have a Russian nature, Jehovah's Witnesses - Western.
        2. B.T.V. 27 October 2015 09: 00 New
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          Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! AND


          But personally, I believe that following the 10 commandments and the golden rule: “in everything you want people to do with you, so do you with them,” would make much of humanity much better.
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            ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 25 New
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            But personally, I believe that following the 10 commandments and the golden rule: “in everything you want people to do with you, so do you with them,” would make much of humanity much better.
            And why do not you adhere to these principles?
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              And why do not you adhere to these principles?


              Are you a psychic ?! Otherwise, how do you know what principles I follow ?!
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              Quote: Boris55
              “Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who pronounces His name in vain ”(Exodus 20: 7).
              They used to swear in the name of God, Jehovah. In vain means falsely, whining.
              Jesus brought two new commandments that are above all - the Lord our God is the one Lord; and love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength - this is the first commandment! The second is like her: love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. Mark 12: 29-31
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              I hope that the moderator is not against the quotations from the Bible?


              Moderator in shock. Boris, burn more.
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          you have problems, do you know?
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          Vanya, you didn’t get there - you don’t have pulp ...
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          Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!


          Quite right, only by deeds, and not shouting about it in all corners and forums. "Faith without works is dead."
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      And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that "Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents."


      well if only these dissenters are moderate or white and furry terrorists then yes.
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      Vanya, go to bed ...
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    6. navigator 27 October 2015 10: 01 New
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      "And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that" Russia uses laws on extremism against dissidents. "
      Or is this not true? - The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, whom Mr. Lukin was at that time, went even further, saying:

      Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
      And one more thing, with regards to the children about whose fate you are so “worried” - look at yours better — how do they grow and are brought up — on Christian principles and norms? NO! So go and take care of the log in your eye, jealous of the faith ....... "

      And to you, witness ....... by all means to Canada! And do not lie about the persecution of faith. We are talking about the dominance of prolific totalitarian sects.
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    8. Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 45 New
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      What sins are committed Witnesses to commit persecution against them, why does the flywheel begin to unwind in Russia ???

      During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the homeland.
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        ivan3211 27 October 2015 11: 08 New
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        During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the homeland.
        Witnesses have a Homeland-New World that will come after Armageddon. And the rulers are Jehovah and Jesus.
        It seems like all Christians should be so, if honestly of course ....
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          It seems like all Christians should be so, if honestly of course ....

          And how will Muslims react to this? They are not followers of the substitution of the other cheek, and they perceive weakness with adequacy. With the ideology of the Jehovahs, armageddon will come for us much earlier. And the hordes of Satan will replace crowds of fanatics under the black banner of jihad. Have not you thought?
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            ivan3211 27 October 2015 13: 46 New
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            Quote: Ingvar 72
            With the ideology of the Jehovahs, armageddon will come for us much earlier. And the hordes of Satan will replace crowds of fanatics under the black banner of jihad. Have not you thought?

            The ideology of Jehovah's followers is to fulfill the will of the Creator of the universe, the creator of man. To fulfill the will of the One Who absolutely everything belongs to which we can only reach our mind! Christ has repeatedly claimed that he does the will of his Father, and does nothing on his own! And they expected from him that he is the Messiah, will lead a rebellion against the Romans, and he allowed himself to be captured, and executed.
            Here is an example for any REAL Christian. “Whoever wants to follow Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me” (Mark 8:34). “This is what the Bible teaches.”
            And you are all about worldly things, but worldly things. And do you know how the Bible ends? What will the Lord do to the earth? Do not be lazy, read the last book of Revelation.
            1. Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 16: 07 New
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              And you are all about worldly things, but worldly things.

              Well, yes, I still have to live and need to raise children.
              Hope for God, but don’t be fooled. But this is done with those who chose the path of "non-resistance to evil by violence."
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        During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the homeland.

        Alas, not so simple. Especially about betrayal. A man who is a sincere believer - for him, first of all, God's deeds matter. The concept of "homeland" is not in his first place. Because the Witnesses refused to take weapons, they cannot be considered traitors. The Germans then drove them to concentration camps (the purple patch is a distinctive sign of Jehovah's Witnesses in German concentration camps). From the point of view of a patriotic person, they can be called at most low-chilling, but not traitors at all.
        1. Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 12: 55 New
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          The concept of "homeland" is not in his first place.

          This is the true goal of people who allocate huge sums of money to expensive printing products, which Jehovahists give out without stint.
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          A man who is a sincere believer - for him, first of all, God's deeds matter. The concept of "homeland" is not in his first place.


          Why are you talking about sincere believers?
          "Farewell to your enemies, crush the enemies of the Fatherland, abhor the enemies of God" St. Filaret of Moscow

          Defend the homeland holy.
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        During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the homeland.
        The hierarchs of the old, still tsarist, Orthodox Church openly supported the Nazis.
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          The hierarchs of the old, still tsarist, Orthodox Church openly supported the Nazis.

          Like some generals of the Soviet army. But in these cases, the betrayal was committed by individuals, not by all.
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            Like some generals of the Soviet army. But in these cases, the betrayal was committed by individuals and not by all
            Exactly.

            While support for Hitler was the official policy of the ROCA. And this is not at all the same as the refusal to serve, albeit for “crooked”, but still ideological reasons (ROCOR collaborated with the Nazis, but Jehovah’s didn’t)

            By the way:

            16.06.2009/68/XNUMX On the eve of the XNUMXth anniversary of the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union, a discussion began in the Russian media about the significance of the Great Patriotic War from the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). The reason was the statement of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill that the war was God's punishment for the crimes of the Bolsheviks against the Church.

            For the first time, the Patriarch expressed the idea that the war was a punishment for the apostasy of the people on May 6, on the eve of Victory Day.
            http://www.ng.ru/editorial/2009-06-16/2_red.html
          2. a housewife 28 October 2015 04: 53 New
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            I really apologize for the minus, Ingvar, by chance. in fact, I agree with you here. Just in despair - how people discuss an unknown topic for them. I don’t understand the weapons, I am silent, I just read - a lot of interesting things. As for faith, it is precisely the discussion of the deaf with the blind, except for some who understand. Only one thing about the “witnesses” - they are false witnesses, and they are already guilty of that they diligently turn the name of God - Jehovah - into a mockery, they will be asked for it, not to mention the lies, the lost lives, the separation of families and the taking of property from their naive members By the way, neither Jesus himself nor the apostles ever forcibly came to anyone with sermons, on the contrary, they went after them, invited them to themselves. Jesus did not even heal all in a row, but those who asked Him. hi
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              I really apologize for the minus, Ingvar

              It's okay, rating is not the main thing. laughing In fact, I agree with you. drinks
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            I really apologize for the minus, Ingvar, by chance. in fact, I agree with you here. Just in despair - how people discuss an unknown topic for them. I don’t understand the weapons, I am silent, I just read - a lot of interesting things. As for faith, it is precisely the discussion of the deaf with the blind, except for some who understand. Only one thing about the “witnesses” - they are false witnesses, and they are already guilty of that they diligently turn the name of God - Jehovah - into a mockery, they will be asked for it, not to mention the lies, the lost lives, the separation of families and the taking of property from their naive members By the way, neither Jesus himself nor the apostles ever forcibly came to anyone with sermons, on the contrary, they went after them, invited them to themselves. Jesus did not even heal all in a row, but those who asked Him. hi
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      You who have not a drop of faith

      Yes, it somehow happened that we do not have a drop of your faith, but we have our own. And what right you have to impose yours on us and to blame our faith and our beliefs, citing as an example the opinion of the Canadian representation of the news agency.
      Quote: ivan3211
      Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
      And one more thing, with regards to the children about whose fate you are so “worried” - look at yours better — how do they grow and are brought up — on Christian principles and norms? NO! So go and work on the log in your eye, jealous of faith ..

      Well, how can one not insert Soviet practice. Well, how can one not point out the log in his eye. But nothing that we do not want you to cripple the souls of our children? You earn money on this according to manuals, for example, from Canada. But we live in Russia and already, as in the 90s, we don’t want to believe in what. Gentlemen of sectarians, until you become a danger to society, nobody touches you. And your howl, which you raised from reading the article, speaks of repeated pinching of the tail. Because, like your NGOs, the people are already across the throat. And do not confuse cutlets with flies. Denominations in Russia operate. Everyone believes what he wants. For example, no one forbids Islam. But radical Islam is illegal. So how do you differ from radical Islamists? With oil voices. We are, like, not a sect, we are an organization. There are, of course, fools who still believe you. Yes, I would like to ask you. And why are all the head offices of all sects located in the west, in America, Canada? Nestykovochka, gentlemen, champions of freedom. Whose freedom are degenerates and sellers fighting for?
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        For half an hour now I’ve been trying to answer, but it only gives out- "The message contains text that is not acceptable for publication" - what does this mean? Of course, he wrote everything decorously and nobly, but .............
        And so if you read my comments on the article, and do not conjecture anything, like "between the lines" - then to all your questions, there are answers.
        And I’m curious right now, but what are you independent from ???
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    And where our Church is looking. Frozen in greatness. It is their business to fight sects. They anathematized a couple of human rights activists of sectarians and everything will be clear right away, and so should Muslims. This infection must be burned immediately and forever. Need propaganda from them. And deeds and words are just words. Need a deal. And the impression is that the Russian Orthodox Church is a commercial organization.
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      And where our Church is looking.

      And where is your church looking, full of information on the internet. You can, for example, read Kuraev’s blog ... Or just open your eyes wider and look around ...)
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      Our church is no better. I am a believer, I go to church - rarely, but I go. This is me for understanding is simple.
      So.
      We were at Easter in 2014 in Sergiev Posad and what did I see there? Here are two examples:

      1. The wife decided to buy a silver bracelet, she stands at the counter (in the church shop, although as for me it is more of a boutique) she chooses thoroughly, because it’s horrible to be expensive. And the dialogue means leading with the "seller", but you have one, but show this one, and let him see it. After about five minutes, the “seller" absolutely no longer submits humbly, "Well, will you take it or not !?", the wife from such a surprise reasonably declares to her: "I want to spend money on the goods, and I want to consider it, I am a buyer and have that's right, I want to buy, and you sell - what’s the problem. " The answer even surprised me: "You are not buying - you are sacrificing." Among other things, portraits of Cyril, worth 127 rubles, and a portrait of Putin, though for 000, were found in the "boutique". I did not understand the difference, because the size and execution are the same.

      2. After such an incident, we went for a walk around the complex. And so it must happen, someone arrived there, a dignitary of the church, it seems that Kiryusha himself granted, but there were a lot of people, entry into the territory was forbidden, but for “their own” it’s not a problem, even officials would envy such a dispersal of believers in front of an armored Mercedes . Without ceremony, even with obscenities.

      Since then he has sworn to go to large churches. I’ll be better as before, in my little village walk, where I was baptized.

      Returning to the topic of your post, "Where the Church is Looking." Yes, she doesn’t need it, as long as they don’t squeeze out the business and put up competition, you can not notice.

      Unfortunately.
    3. navigator 27 October 2015 10: 19 New
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      "And where our Church is looking. It is frozen in greatness. It's their business to fight against sects. They anathematized a couple of human rights activists of sectarians and everything will be clear right away, Muslims should do the same. This infection must be burned immediately and forever. We need propaganda from them. And deeds and words are just words. We need a deed. And the impression is that the Russian Orthodox Church is a commercial organization. "

      The church did not freeze in greatness, and clarifies the essence of these sects and fights with them. It does not burn, as you suggest, it does not shoot sectarians from AK. It differs from sects in that it does not impose, but calls. Propaganda is a method of sects that and there are commercial organizations, it’s known who financed them. And to see this, you just have to go to church regularly.
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        .And to see this, you just need to go to church regularly.

        So this is the problem, because in large cities the church has turned into a closed joint-stock company, in which commercial and commercial activities have come to the fore.
        We have already argued about the need for the observance of Christian canons by clergy. Otherwise, they simply do not have the right to carry the word of God.
        P.S. You didn’t answer last time - what do Diomede disagree with? hi
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          “So this is the problem, because in large cities the church has turned into a closed joint-stock company, in which commercial and commercial activities have come to the fore.
          We have already argued about the need for the observance of Christian canons by clergy. Otherwise, they simply have no right to carry the word of God. "

          Who argues, the question is whether the assessment is correct. I also read about ballet and look at the ballerinas and say: “you are dancing incorrectly, and your figure is not right, you should not dance like that.” You confuse God's gift with fried eggs, demanding from clergymen don’t take transport, don’t take money for anything, eat air, because ..... You interpret Orthodox canons in this way. And disputes are ungrateful business, truth is not born in them. Slogans "the church turned into a closed company, in which commercial and commercial activities came to the forefront "already sore mouth.


          "PS. You didn’t answer last time - what do Diomede disagree with?"

          And I’m not going to, the topic is too complicated for you, you still won’t understand, since you still haven’t understood it, you are a worldly person. I already explained this to you, but you didn’t understand. And you can troll as much as you like, it doesn’t affect me. in opinions, Ingvar72. therefore, do not get me anymore, please.
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            demanding that the clergy not to go to the tarnsport, not to take money for anything, to eat air,
            Close this did not require. He demanded compliance with Christian canons and spoke about the inadmissibility of tariffs for church services. It is services, not church goods, such as icons, candles, crosses.
            Quote: navigator
            .And you can troll as much as you like, it doesn’t affect me

            This is not trolling, it is an attempt to answer the cornerstone question. If you do not want to answer, say so. hi
            P.S. When answering, highlight a part of the text and click quote, so the opponent’s quotes will be separated and with a signature.
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              "P.S. When answering, highlight a part of the text and click quote, so the opponent’s quotes will be separated and with a signature."

              Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.
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                Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

                First press - answer. Then, having selected a fragment, press - to quote. And if at once - to quote, then yes, at the end of the branch. hi
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                  Quote: navigator
                  Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

                  First press - answer. Then, having selected a fragment, press - to quote. And if at once - to quote, then yes, at the end of the branch. hi


                  Thank you very much.
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          Answered, but moderators: "error: no perms"
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  16. morozik 27 October 2015 07: 49 New
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    A holy place is never empty, there is no God in the soul, Satan will sit down
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  18. cniza 27 October 2015 08: 32 New
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    The author spoke about the fact that many people know and have encountered this manifestation of obscurantism, but what to do? how to resist and who should do this?
    How did it cross the border, since it was published in Spain, and therefore it is not banned in Russia, it is permissible to say “literature”, etc. First, the law, then its execution and control over the execution. If you continue to endure such actions, and most of all SI in the USA, they will act more brazenly and their goal is the collapse of Russia.
  19. Neophyte 27 October 2015 08: 58 New
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    Judging by some comments, miserable yegovists or some other
    sectarians. Guys, in the courtyard of the 21st century, and you still believe in Kuzyu and American gods!
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      ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 30 New
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      Guys, in the courtyard of the 21st century,

      And who do you believe in, wooden man? )
  20. Army soldier2 27 October 2015 09: 02 New
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    Ivan3211
    Ivan, why are you so nervous? You want to be a witness to Jehovah - be. Others do not have to call in a sect. There is such an interesting brochure - "Religious sectarianism in Russia." Read. There, apparently, it is written about you.
    Incidentally, when they come up to these adherents, I do not refuse attention. Maybe I’m not lucky, but some stupid and uneducated people come across. You start to ask them questions, they are not that answer, they can not understand the question.
    And to conduct their activities with US money is bad manners.
    It happened to me to serve in the middle of 90's in one garrison. The Turks, with the money of the Federal Republic of Germany, built houses for military personnel. One of the officer’s wife was an activist of Jehovah’s Witnesses, preaching everything. The discharged ensign was for them in charge (apparently, he decided to pursue a career in a new field). When it came time to distribute the apartments, the division commander, without crafty crafty, deleted them from the lists and wrote a resolution: "Do not give apartments, wife is a babtist." And where did everything happen. They immediately betrayed their sectarian ideas and calmed down. I think their sect fell apart after that.
    That is the faith.
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      . You start to ask them questions, they are not that answer, they can not understand the question.

      After such a failure, an older jehovahist came to me after such a failure. They chatted an hour with him, and after that they did not foot to me! laughing
  21. Neophyte 27 October 2015 09: 09 New
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    In general, the Yegovist grandmothers are very persistent, breaking into all cracks! Such an individual approaches and asks a certain question, but I kind of believe in God’s God or something. The individual’s interest immediately disappears, and with the formation of a true faith among these preachers "not everything is fine!
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      In general, the Yegovist grandmothers are very persistent, breaking into all cracks! Such an individual approaches and asks a certain question, but I kind of believe in God’s God or something. The individual’s interest immediately disappears, and with the formation of a true faith among these preachers "not everything is fine!
      Who do you believe in, wooden head ??? The dad Carlo and the ax?
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      About 5 years ago, I drove off two of these from our entrance for the third time, threatening to turn me over to the police. Last week, a letter was planted in the mailbox inviting me to pray and regret that we had not found it at home. Subscriber box number left. Either 84, or 86. Now I read the discussion and thought that I had thrown the letter in vain, I had to send it to the FSB.
  22. vladnn2015 27 October 2015 09: 09 New
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    man go to yug!

    And they must be sent to distant lands! Nothing but trouble will happen to them (SI)! And in general, it is not clear why they will not be banned at the legislative level? Why don't the media, schools, institutes explain the harmful effects of communicating with such “witnesses”, and do not explain what needs to be done if such a “preacher” addressed you?
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  24. DenZ 27 October 2015 09: 44 New
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    Books, by the way, Jehovah's Witnesses. Vobshem pretty harmless guys, in fact. I went to them for a while, but then, after appeals in general resembling the action of "soft power" to officially join their ranks, I left their meeting. They don’t teach anything bad, it’s a fact, but at the same time (attention) they scold the Russian Orthodox Church (partly on business, partly not) They urge you to preach at home — that is, you, an adult man, coming from work do not spend time with your family but you wander around other people's huts with sermons, and at the same time they send you through time. In general and the whole person is disconnected from the social sphere of the society where he lives (after some time of membership in the sect), otherwise he can be quite happy. And yet, no army! In no case! We sit humbly at home (in case of war) and wait for what will happen to us. Ugh, disgusting.
    1. navigator 27 October 2015 12: 56 New
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      "Books, by the way, Jehovah's Witnesses. Vobshem, quite harmless guys, in fact. I went to them for a while, but after calls in general resembling the action of" soft power "to officially join their ranks, I left their meeting. Do not teach "they’re not saying anything bad, it’s a fact, but at the same time (attention) they scold the Russian Orthodox Church (partly on business, partly not)"

      Not all of these harmless guys were so harmless. There were real stories about donating apartments to neopoly sects for free, there were children who got into a sect, renounced their parents, etc. And all this was accompanied by songs about Jehovah God and Jesus Christ.
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        Can facts be?
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          Can facts be?


          Names, surnames, age, gender, cost of apartments?

          Murmansk, mid-90s. All local newspapers wrote more than once these facts. That's all, do not torment anymore. You, like all the witnesses, are extremely annoying, the whole branch is already full of ivan3211 comments.
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      We are waiting for what will happen to us. Ugh, disgusting.

      Sincerely believing in God KNOW 100% what will happen to them !!! The Lord does not make any secret of it. Nor does it make secrets of what will happen to those who reject the authority of their Creator, having accepted the authority of Satan. But who wants to know ???
      Not about you, whether they rushed to bite at the mention of the name of God, Jesus said: “hear with your hearing, and you will not understand, and you will look with your eyes and you will not see,”
      for the heart of these people has become coarse and they can hardly hear with their ears, and their eyes have closed, so that they will not see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and they will not understand with their hearts, and may they not turn, that I may heal them.
  25. Dinko 27 October 2015 09: 50 New
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    A sect of Jehovah’s Witnesses, created in the New York region of Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century with a disruptive purpose against the Soviet Union. This sect is a cover for CIA agents in our country! It was also distinguished by the fact that its participants placed radio beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.
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      ! She was also distinguished by the fact that its participants deployed beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

      Liar
    2. Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 27 New
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      A sect of Jehovah's Witnesses, established in the New York City area of ​​Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century

      Early. In 1931 they changed their name, before that they were called Bible students. 70% of women are members.
  26. DenZ 27 October 2015 10: 03 New
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    Quote: Dinko
    A sect of Jehovah’s Witnesses, created in the New York region of Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century with a disruptive purpose against the Soviet Union. This sect is a cover for CIA agents in our country! It was also distinguished by the fact that its participants placed radio beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

    I don’t know about the DPR, but during the years of the Second World War, witnesses were very actively destroyed by the Germans. This is not in defense of witnesses, but as a note. I think it is completely clear to everyone that it is not a question of who is the witness, but who is not, but of the feelings of conscience and duty of each individual person.
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      ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 41 New
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      I think it is completely clear to everyone that it is not a question of who is the witness, but who is not, but of the feelings of conscience and duty of each individual person.
      It should be so, but as we see from the foregoing, almost all commentators-it is not clear to anyone except you .... Scary.
  27. Alexey RA 27 October 2015 10: 45 New
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    He needed a lawless and shaking hands Feigin to be a lawyer - then he would have definitely given 10 years. smile
  28. Mercury 27 October 2015 11: 09 New
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    A bit of history. The disciples of Christ created the church and organized it for the first centuries. At the same time, dissenters who violated the truth and accepted by the apostles began to appear. To fight against such dreamers, their cathedrals were convened. There were about 10 of them. All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ and we have almost everything since in those years. And the Catholics do not deny this. The Armenian church began to think in its own way and separated from the church in the first half of that millennium. The Catholics declared their pope sinless in 1050 and introduced other reforms and separated from the Orthodox Church and then the Protestants rejected them and continued to break away. The Catholics, seeing the integrity of our church, tried to seize the lands of the Orthodox by force, remember the crusade against Constantinople and the attacks of the Swedes and Germans at the beginning of the millennium, then the Commonwealth unrest in Russia and so on were all Catholics. Then, 300 years ago, their misconceptions introduced them into a confrontation and began to appear the doctrine that there is no God at all. That we are monkey mutants and that all we do is bestial instincts. People were tempted by this heresy because now it was possible to do everything and to fornicate and get drunk because there is no God like that. The Protestant British adopted it and developed this Then fight France and Germany. So it became common in Europe to deny the existence of God. And it doesn’t matter what kind of tale the zombies load. Now they load that we need to look for the roots that we are great Ukrainians or Russians and that we flew from Sirius. It's all well organized and I have no doubt that paid by the Angosecs in the same way as Germany organized the loading of the communist Windows into the minds of Russian on But people have not completely fallen into heresy and are confronted with the power of the Lord or notice the action of the devils and begin to search for God, and here the devils need the person not to come to the truth, and false Christianity or Christianity mixed with Christianity is used. The sects are those networks in which people seeking salvation will complain. Attacks on the church itself such as a priest knocked down a pedestrian and so on. as well as the great exposers of the Orthodox yoke over the immaculate Rusich. All this is an attack on the RUSSIAN STATE. ALL THIS IS WAR AGAINST TRUTH
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      All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ, and we have practically everything since in those years.

      Complete nonsense and uncovered lie !!!
      1. Mercury 27 October 2015 17: 15 New
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        I, of course, in my own words, but the essence is true. Read about the ecumenical councils. "
        The Orthodox Church never broke away from anyone and is the guardian of the true faith, all the rules and canons are the same as in the first centuries.
        My advice is to read historical documents and not marmont brachures.
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          My advice is to read historical documents and not marmont brachures.

          Well, honestly, I didn’t want to comment, but ... I’m just wondering how some brochures differ from others? I constantly read VO materials and comments (often they are of interest) and I have a strong opinion that the people here are adequate, used to think, compare and independently draw conclusions. But it seems not this time. After all, everything is simple - you believe in God, then you believe His Word. Why read books about God and not read the book of God himself? Why has this topic turned into an empty exchange of ingrained stamps and a competition for sticking labels? Why not turn to the original source and, based on it, reasonably draw conclusions. Everything is written there. There are answers to all questions. And what will be the difference of that “one” of faith or not? Why should research be accepted as a truth, at least a thousand times by respected scholars and clergy, and not study the truth itself?
          Quote: Mercury
          All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ, and we have practically everything since in those years.

          We read the Acts of the Apostles, their epistles to different churches, compare with what we have, draw conclusions. And you don’t need to write all this. Sects are undoubted evil. But the root of evil lies in ignorance of God and unwillingness to know Him. Something like this.
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      The Catholics in 1050 declared their dad sinless and introduced other reforms and separated from the Orthodox Church and then the Protestants abandoned them and continued to break away.

      Dear Dmitry, let's still be accurate. Turn to the sources:
      "The infallibility (or rather the infallibility) of the pope (lat. Infallibilitas -" the inability to err ") - the dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, which states that when the pope defines the teaching of the Church regarding faith or morality, proclaiming it ex cathedra (that is, according to the teaching RCC, as the head of the Church), he has infallibility (infallibility) and is protected from the very possibility of being mistaken.
      According to this dogma, the doctrine of “the pope’s infallibility is a gift of the Holy Spirit given to the pope as successor to the apostle Peter by virtue of apostolic succession, and not because of his personal qualities (like any other Christian, the pope is not protected from committing sins and needs repentance and confession). ”
      Not to be confused:
      a) the sinlessness (impeccabilitas) of God, who cannot sin by nature, and the infallibility of the saved, who can no longer sin because of the separation of the soul from the body, and also because of deification.
      b) the infallibility or infallibility of the solemn Teaching of the Holy Church.
      According to the Catholic faith, in the Church the “double subject” (see Libero Geroz, Peter Erde) of the highest authority is the College of Bishops and the pope as the head of the College (CIC can. 336). The Ecumenical Council is the institutional expression of this authority in a solemn form (CIC, can. 337, § 1).
      The dogma is officially proclaimed in the dogmatic constitution of Pastor Aeternus 18 July 1870 year along with the affirmation of the “ordinary and direct” authority of the jurisdiction of the pontiff in the ecumenical Church. The dogmatic constitution defines the conditions - the utterance of ex cathedra, and not private teaching, and the scope - the judgments of faith and morality arising from the interpretation of Divine Revelation. "
      Here it is "Roman law". lol
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    Advanced people gathered ... can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....
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      can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....

      What fragments have led you to this idea?
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        The very beginning, the creation of planets, people, attitude to characters ....
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      Advanced people gathered ... can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....


      They are no different. You can also be called foxic or mister foxic. This does not mean that you are two. The lord-mister in modern language.
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        Briefly in the text .....
        The sixth day - God hands the man and his wife the planet at full disposal, without any additional conditions, and leaves for the day off .....
        Later the Lord God appears
        (... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)
        creates a person from materials at hand and instructs him to monitor the cottage, respectively, conditions are stipulated.
        Further, problems begin with the reproduction of labor and they clone his wife ....
        and not the fact that it was on the same planet .....
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          (... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)


          I do not understand your comment, what bothers you, foxic? Mr. foxic, have I promoted you?


          Quote: foxic
          Briefly in the text .....
          The sixth day - God hands the man and his wife the planet at full disposal, without any additional conditions, and leaves for the day off .....
          Later the Lord God appears
          (... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)
          creates a person from materials at hand and instructs him to monitor the cottage, respectively, conditions are stipulated.
          Further, problems begin with the reproduction of labor and they clone his wife ....
          and not the fact that it was on the same planet .....



          It seems to answer me, and write what was not discussed.
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            The question is:
            is it the same God creates the same person ????
            .... or are they different gods? .... create different people?
            .... on different planets ?? (the text three times appears phrase about the creation of heaven and earth ...)
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              The question is:
              is it the same God creates the same person ????
              .... or are they different gods? .... create different people?
              .... on different planets ?? (the text three times appears phrase about the creation of heaven and earth ...)



              This is one God. First, it is listed what God did in the days of creation, then it is painted in detail. Some phrases are not repeated three times. What bothers you?
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                Is heaven and earth created on the first day or on the second? or on the second day, what was created on the first was redone ??

                The man and his wife were given all the land for possession or is the man only an employee on the reservation ??

                Why does the supreme lord need additional titles (Sir) ??
                God does not engage in narcissism and he does not need to increase his power before anyone, it is infinite.
                This behavior is more suitable for the local craftsman ....
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                  Is heaven and earth created on the first day or on the second? or on the second day, what was created on the first was redone ??

                  The man and his wife were given all the land for possession or is the man only an employee on the reservation ??

                  Why does the supreme lord need additional titles (Sir) ??
                  God does not engage in narcissism and he does not need to increase his power before anyone, it is infinite.
                  This behavior is more suitable for the local craftsman ....


                  No comment, Mr. foxic. I thought you were asking questions, and you, it turns out, are commenting on the book of Genesis.
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                    Yes, that’s right, I’m reading a book and what I’ve read doesn’t agree with what they preach to me ....
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    The author, and you do not replace the concept, and do not use double standards for an hour in the best Jesuit traditions?

    to protect the activities of sects
    Sect - (from lat. Secta - doctrine - direction, school), religious group, community, breakaway from the dominant church.

    All world religions, now recognized in the Russian Federation as part of the historical heritage, were originally sects, some of which were once banned because they considered then their destructive nature (for example, Christianity in Rome)

    The radical method of "healing"
    Metropolitan Daniel told doctors that the cause of all illnesses is sin.
    http://www.dvinainform.ru/society/2015/10/23/37590.html

    And the "doctors" who talk about this kind of "recovery" ("recovery" by falling into the next world)
    And just as Moses offered the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3: 14,15)

    How can this one-time session affect the further formation of the girl’s psyche?
    27.03.2013/15/XNUMX Parents of students from secondary school No. XNUMX of Miass (Chelyabinsk Region) filed a civil lawsuit, demanding that the right to choose be studied in their curriculum: to study the children’s Orthodox culture, the history of all religions or prefer secular ethics.
    Meanwhile, the mothers of schoolchildren tell monstrous things to reporters: children are forced to kiss the hands of adult men, teachers walk around the school with bells and say that they expel demons, in case of bad behavior some schoolchildren say that “they have a black soul that must be brought to to God. " Also, the school conducts a census of children unbaptized into Orthodoxy - their parents are charged with the obligation to conduct a religious ceremony and report on the performance to the school principal, Elena Cheshuina. According to the parents, it is the director who is actively involved in religious propaganda at school No. 15, as he is a fanatically religious person.
    http://www.city-n.ru/?module=show&id=322348

    began to actively distribute materials recognized by experts as extremist
    October 14, 2015 Putin proposed to ban attributing quotes from the Bible and the Koran to extremism (why would there be something to relate?)
    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/473437
  31. Belousov 27 October 2015 15: 22 New
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    I just can’t understand one thing - why not completely ban all these NGOs? After all, the percentage of real benefits is monstrously small! A harm wagon and a rather big trolley. And all those who mourn over NGOs and scream about persecution should be reminded that NPOs are also banned in the US and that no one yells about it. It is necessary to beat the enemy with his own weapons.
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      it is necessary to forbid anything and make martyrs of them a good story and trumpet about it so that they knew the truth from youth. Then no one wakes up to believe all the marmons there who say the wake awakens in the United States.
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    All world religions, now recognized in the Russian Federation as part of the historical heritage, were originally sects, some of which were once banned because they considered then their destructive nature (for example, Christianity in Rome)

    World religions do not prohibit their followers from communicating with other believers. In sects, this, to put it mildly, is not recommended. It is generally not recommended to spend time with people who are not members of the “church”. It is recommended to "preach" among relatives and acquaintances. Street preaching is interpreted as an imitation of the disciples of Christ and is a duty, for the failure of which should be a "debriefing." And the “parishioners” try to load as much as possible with the “intra-church” activity, ideally so that they are busy every day.
    And yes, I was in a sect. And I have rich experience in communicating not only with the followers of one "Protestant church" but also several others.
    1. Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 17: 35 New
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      It is generally not recommended to spend time with people who are not members of the “church”. It is recommended to "preach" among relatives and acquaintances. Preaching on the streets is interpreted as an imitation of the disciples of Christ and is a duty, for the failure of which should be "debriefing"
      You have a contradiction between "it is not recommended to spend time with people who are not in the church. It is recommended to preach among relatives and acquaintances," and "preaching on the streets is a duty."

      And yes, I was in a sect. And I have rich experience in communicating not only with the followers of one "Protestant church" but also several others.
      I sympathize lol

      Well, and how - sects work for the State Department, as the author of this epic claims, or not? smile
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  34. Vladimir Vasilich 27 October 2015 16: 45 New
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    I know the problem firsthand. She touched my family, or rather, my close relatives. For over 25 years, the niece has been engaged in the Jehovah's Sect, and during this time the family broke up. Suddenly, in 2011, she immediately left home in Ukraine and appeared in Russia, the Urals, and still on the same "field" of the preacher of "Jehovah's Witnesses." Judging by the "material" situation, it is NOT in poverty, although it is limited to casual earnings.
    1. Baloo 27 October 2015 19: 58 New
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      Many years ago, these sectarians dragged my patient from the ward. The senior colleague did not operate very well, so they took this schizophrenic madam directly from the ward on crutches, and it is still not noticeable. The husband arrived, barely found her with the police.
  35. Karabin 27 October 2015 20: 32 New
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    NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?

    The activities of NGOs in this direction, children's games against the activities of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, which quietly, without a media pump, adopted a law on sects in 2015. Now any rogue can register without any problems even a “sect of Putin’s witnesses”, at least a “immaculate Ksenia Sobchak”. If someone interferes with their activities, he will break the law. So street distribution of literature, lectures, seminars, everything is legal. And if the activity is violent or extremist in nature, then this still needs to be proved. And what prevents one closed sect from reopening 10? By the way, the Zealous Guardian of Spiritual Braces, this law was signed without reservation.
  36. lubesky 27 October 2015 21: 10 New
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    I respect Volodin, I read his articles with pleasure. But with this article he certainly went too far. We are fighting here and we cannot decide which of us is a Stalinist, who is a liberal, and who is a communist. And Mr. Volodin touched upon such a complex topic, well, on general guard. To discuss the currents of Christianity, it’s necessary, like a lot of things, to understand this. You need to know at a scientific level a clear definition of what a sect is? We in Russia do not have a specialized institute, once and always determined - this is a sect, but this is not. Therefore, after the 70th anniversary of godlessness, only the embryo of understanding in this matter developed, the sect supposedly is all that is not the Russian Orthodox Church, a mosque or other recognized denomination. I will not begin here to describe in detail and determine what a sect is, I will formulate it briefly and concisely, it is extremely clear. A sect (a sector separated from the whole) has a negative connotation in Russia with easy media coverage (not very versed in theology and religion as such), with the weighty authoritative unconditional opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church and the sad experience of the dashing 90s, where such trends as Aum -sinreque "or" white brothers "(banned in Russia and many countries) carried out bluntly, dubious activities. In fact, there is a definition of DANGER of a religious or social movement. So, by this definition, such "sects" include currents, which, as part of their deeds, have the following main types that pose a danger to society itself and society:
    - explicit antisocial directions (abduction, retention in the community, coercion to change lifestyle, social circle), where the main fact is the obvious violent (including psychological pressure, blackmail) removal of the newly believer from society, the termination of any connections and contacts with his will society, except for a specific community (brothers and sisters)
    - extremist orientation of the organization
    - suspicious structuredness and unquestioning discipline (military system), managerial system that receives a fixed monthly content (banal salary), according to vocation (positions in the organization hierarchy)
    - the goals of the organization, contrary to the laws of a particular country, as well as threatening the prevailing society or statehood, the state system of a particular country.
    In general, these are the main factors that tell a citizen about the doubtfulness of this organization. As we can see, for a number of factors, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are related to these organizations. But many of the titular churches of many states have these factors, but historically, the legitimacy of these organizations frees them from suspicion.
    Maybe Volodin meant that it was time to start this difficult work - to separate the grains from the chaff, maybe it was time to determine what was harmful to society from the currents (it was up to society to decide), and which was useful. Maybe Mr. Volodin wanted to hint that it’s time to check where these legs grow from these organizations? Well then, let's get started. But first you need to recognize that around the world, Protestant missions carry more good and help to those in need than many international organizations with a huge budget. If Mr. Volodin wanted to start about this, then the beginning is extremely unsuccessful ...
    1. Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 43 New
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      - suspicious structuredness and unquestioning discipline (military system), managerial system that receives a fixed monthly content (banal salary), according to vocation (positions in the organization hierarchy)

      Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?
      1. lubesky 27 October 2015 21: 50 New
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        Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

        Not familiar with this organization, with its teachings, you can use available sources to determine.
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          Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

          Not familiar with this organization, with its teachings, you can use available sources to determine.

          This is the Order of the Jesuits. By your definition, this is a sect. According to these definitions, anyone can be recorded in sects. After all, as someone here said, Christians were once a sect.
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            This is the Order of the Jesuits. By your definition, this is a sect. According to these definitions, anyone can be recorded in sects. After all, as someone here said, Christians were once a sect.

            But I did not determine, I only gave definitions, the totality of these or several factors is an occasion for reflection. Everyone decides for himself.
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            But many of the titular churches of many states have these factors, but historically, the legitimacy of these organizations frees them from suspicion.

            As you can see, I myself have said that many organizations fall within the definitions ...
            And you directly broke my comments into quotes, can you express your own thoughts, how can I tear my phrases out of context everywhere? Another thing, of course, is that opinions need to be argued and have knowledge ...
            1. a housewife 28 October 2015 05: 18 New
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              In fact, the Christian church can be considered an association of believers who recognize the Holy Trinity as the One God - the head of the Church, the Bible - a holy book, a source of Christian knowledge, believing in salvation through faith and repentance. Everything else is sect. "Witnesses" do not consider themselves Christians themselves, because They do not consider Christ to be God, and the Bible is secondary to them, the main thing for them is their literature. Therefore, the main opinion is not the Bible, but their "holy" leader. Calling all Baptists in a row is illiterate nonsense. In addition, the word Baptist only means - baptized. The baptismal church in the Orthodox Church is also called the baptistery. The Orthodox Church is kafalic, the same as the Catholic, that is, the cathedral. Pentecostals - greatly honor the feast of Pentecost, that is, the Trinity. Between themselves, all these churches invented differences for God that are completely insignificant, and everyone is proud of what is more correct than others. Satan is glad. Believers are at war with each other, not with him! Paul was right - everyone evaded, there is not a righteous one! A poor grandmother, pestering passers-by. Not from a good life do people come to sects. They are like newcomers and allowed into the streets, they say, show zeal!
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              And I didn’t determine, I only gave definitions

              Well, it’s quite logical (((
  37. Mentat 27 October 2015 21: 22 New
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    Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
    Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
    Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
    Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
    Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
    You can minus until you turn blue.

    SI is an international corporation for the milking of naive citizens, do not advertise it here. If you want to devote yourself to faith - there is a choice among the directions of Christianity, all three branches are represented; in our country there are sane Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus.
  38. Yugra 27 October 2015 22: 15 New
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    I have the combination of nco causing vomiting reflexes. Dear GDP, free Russia from this infection already ...
  39. Mentat 27 October 2015 22: 36 New
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    Three sentences, three factual errors. 1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the dominant church. In a figurative sense, is a group of people who are locked in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are more than a billion of them. Orthodox a little less than three hundred thousand. 2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians. 3. I can’t imagine any sect. Just studied religion.


    with your baggage, you must know that the sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

    In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.
    1. navigator 27 October 2015 23: 15 New
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      In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.


      I do not agree with you. A sectarian, by definition, who rejected all or part of the true dogma of the Church, in other words, a heretic. Heresy (Greek hairesis) "selection" is not just a mistake or a delusion into which a person falls into because of ignorance or wrong output. Heresy is a deliberate and stubborn distortion of dogma. I believe in this, I disagree with this, etc. Therefore, it has a negative context. What shade can the word "offender" violate the laws be positive?
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  40. Lunic 28 October 2015 00: 49 New
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    However, there are (albeit not much), in fact, NGOs disguised as such churches, to our great regret. For example, the "church" of Alexei Ledyaev in Riga, which took part in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.


    I'm sorry, I’ll correct you: Alexei Ledyaev used to have a church (15-17 years ago) very popular among Pentecostals.
    He regularly came to us in the United States with "tours" of churches and congregations. A very charismatic leader .. was. I was at one of his “service” visits (since all the relatives of my Pentecostal wife). Honestly, I even wanted to go to the stage and repent after his (Ledyaevsky) ministry ... And then he transferred the topic to donations .. Like who and how much MUST donate ... He gave examples of how Mercedes donated to him in Latvia, .. .. The apartment ...
    Then he began to talk about how poorly believers live in Latvia ... Well, here I could no longer listen and left. The most interesting thing is that the wife's relatives did not notice anything so bad.
    In the early 2000s, Ledyaev showed his guts: he abandoned the Flock and began to engage in media projects (look at his opera "Vartimey" on the pipe), or, more simply, a show on Christian themes. Well, it seems like nothing? a man preaches as best he can .. and then it suddenly turns out that the dance group in his show consists of non-traditional orientation. Then it turns out that donations do not all reach the declared churches for some reason ..
    In general, Pentecostals have turned away from him now ...
  41. Lunic 28 October 2015 01: 09 New
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    IMHO: article from the section: "If not with us. Then against us"
    Personally, in detail, very often and for a long time I communicated and continue to communicate with Baptists, Pentecostals, and Jehovah's Witnesses.
    (friends, relatives, acquaintances like most Russian speakers in the USA). Probably because there’s no one else to chat with in Russian.
    I will not say who is right and whose faith will lead to salvation- Every sandpiper praises its swamp.
    I will say one thing: if a person is of a different faith, this does not mean that he is a foreign agent. They just do not believe the government here and are suspicious of representatives of a different faith ..

    PySy: No one really loves Jehovah's Witnesses here for the obsession, narrow-mindedness and "privatization" of the Bible.
    Undoubtedly, in Soviet times, the Western special services actively tried to set us (the people of the USSR) against socialism and one of the tools was precisely the underground promotion of Baptism and Pentecostalism in the USSR.
    But this is a long time ago .. Now everyone is driven by money.

    By the way: before I left for the United States in the late 90s, I asked one American tourist, "What are the most profitable professions in the United States?" The answer would be short: "Lawyer, Doctor and ... Pastor of the Church"
    :)))
  42. Mentat 28 October 2015 01: 20 New
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    In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.


    I do not agree with you. A sectarian, by definition, who rejected all or part of the true dogma of the Church, in other words, a heretic. Heresy (Greek hairesis) "selection" is not just a mistake or a delusion into which a person falls into because of ignorance or wrong output. Heresy is a deliberate and stubborn distortion of dogma. I believe in this, I disagree with this, etc. Therefore, it has a negative context. What shade can the word "offender" violate the laws be positive?

    True, the word "sect" has a negative connotation. However, I draw your attention once again that in the Russian spoken language the word "sect" acquires a kind of double negative meaning, which I wrote about earlier.
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    Here, for some reason, the words of O. Bender "How much opium for the people?" do not go out of my head.
  44. GUGA 28 October 2015 13: 38 New
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    After reading the comments, I came to the conclusion that 99% of the writers did not understand this issue at all. They interfere with everyone who does not belong to the main religions in the country, in one bunch of sects. I agree, Jehovah's Witnesses are a sect. As for the Protestants, I do not agree. Of course, there are agents of influence among them, but there are not as many of them as it seems. Mostly new trends and churches. But the bulk of the Protestant churches in Russia appeared even under the kings. And they did not appear from a good life in their homeland. A little-known fact - there was a union of Protestants and Orthodoxy in the struggle for existence on the territory of modern Ukraine in the 16th century. Because they Catholicized very harshly. Communicated with Protestants in the 3-5 generation: very pious, hardworking people. They do not agitate anyone, they do not impose their faith. What we now call Protestantism is mainly modern trends, 20-30 years old, of the American direction. Surprisingly there are not as many of them as it seems, they are simply “bright” - specially attracting attention to themselves. "Orthodox" Protestants do not even favor them.
    Interestingly, and commentators know the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism? What is the difference between Protestantism and them? Fundamental differences. What are the Articles of Faith? Why is the Moscow Patriarchate against the Uniates? If you think that you have the right to be at the head of parishes, then you have nothing to be clever here.
  45. D. Dan 28 October 2015 19: 38 New
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    I agree with the previous comment.
    I can say five words about myself. I have been SPECIFICALLY in the SI sect for over 10 years.
    For a year he communicated with Baptists - Pentecostals. At this time, he passed a kind of course on sect studies. So, for yourself.
    He studied the teachings of Catholics, for three years he closely communicated with the Orthodox and almost baptized, (I still warmly regard Orthodoxy), not so thoroughly, but studied the history of the church, at least in a much larger volume than the screaming "we are Orthodox "for the most part, ignorant of everything," okrom our father ", and" I believe "the majority.
    At present, he did not become an atheist, but it finally became clear to me that most religions deviated from the courses of movement set by their founders, and were used by politicians and behind-the-scenes puppeteers of humanity to fool the population., In order to incite ethnic and ethnic hatred.
    What specifically about the sectarians, in the photo at the start of the topic, I’ll say that the sect in Russia isn’t doing business now, but in general it’s a sect OH OH ANY INTERESTING, in terms of it is of interest to law enforcement officers, and the US State Department has covered it more than once Russia, but also in the world as a whole.
    He founded a freemason and a huckster. Works like a fifth column. Destructive in nature.