NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?

One of the indicators that the “friends” of Russia not only do not want to leave outside their area of ​​interest, “isolating from the rest of the world” (© Barack Obama), but, conversely, bringing “friendly” attention to intent, is the appearance on the streets Russian cities of such improvised book mini-markets:

The women of Balzakovsky and, if I may say so, the Zabalzak age are standing next to wheelchairs, "shop windows" in almost any weather in crowded places (in parks, near bus stops, not far from the entrance to shopping centers) and, especially emphasized, "free of charge" share "important literature." This distributor (the kind of school teacher who has retired), captured in this photo (Voronezh region), has a literature about how to heal a person. At least, it is exactly such a sign with the image of a certain boy of Arab appearance and the title “How to improve health” (without a question mark, which means that the lady “knows exactly how” ...) has her “mini-library”.

We approach the tray with brochures, get permission to take "everything that interests," and among the literature we suddenly find out what, to put it mildly, with a stretch can be called information about the recovery. - A brochure, named by the unknown author, “God's Guidelines Shows the Way to Paradise.” The radical method of "recovery", is not it? ..

And the “doctors” who talk about this kind of “recovery” (“recovery” by coming to the next world), as it turned out from the data about the publisher, are our American “friends” (Brooklyn, New York) who composed this kind 14 medical gizmo years ago - in the 2001 year, and then, giving the task to their Spanish colleagues, they printed a brochure in Russian. It turns out that during the 14 years, the "well-being" methods have not changed ...

Flyer brochure:

A woman who spreads this kind of literature tried to explain that “recovery”, they say, should be understood as purely spiritual, which can be a beginning of recovery and physical, too, that paradise can also be achieved on Earth, if, of course, you visit at least several events involving knowledgeable people. One of these events is a kind of lecture session, which will tell you how to deal with bad habits, including smoking.

15 years ago, my friend, who smoked 1,5-2 cigarettes a day, seriously decided to get rid of this pernicious addiction, and “came across” one of these ads. Like, all your problems will be removed as a hand after just a few visits to the “courses”. After a couple of visits, a friend realized that these lecturers, hardly having at least some medical education, needed to be carried off their feet. The fact is that the stories about how harmful smoking is for some reason were accompanied by colorful descriptions of the close approximation of the end of the world. During the “courses”, people who naively thought that they were really going to help to quit smoking, methodically hammered into their heads, that this was due to people like them, who did not find themselves in a single brotherhood, and wars, all sorts of political conflicts, there is a thirst for money. Even hunger and earthquakes - everything, it turns out, also from people like them ... And so that neither hunger nor earthquakes happen (as you can see, the "scientific" rolls over), you need to become one of them - one of God's people, as these people themselves call themselves "modestly". - It is necessary to become a Jehovah's Witness (SI) - and all problems will be removed as a hand ...

In the brochure, the cover photo of which is presented above, exactly the same ideology is promoted. The little book is replete with reports that “the signs of the last days are more and more,” that “the end of the world is not far off,” and that you need to act, swearing allegiance to the orderly ranks of the Jehovists, who will certainly be saved ... You will all die, they say “righteous and benevolent "Representatives of the sect, - but we will be saved ... And those who" are sure to be saved, in this world are about 8 millions (statistics of the Witnesses themselves) with cells in more than 200 countries of the world. Cell management is carried out from the main office of the organization, located in Brooklyn (USA).

The greatest growth of adherents of this organization with a claim to domination occurred in 90-s, when the Soviet cell of the Jehovists who had previously been limited in capabilities and with the collapse of the USSR spread its wings and adopted hundreds of thousands of people from the post-Soviet space. If in 1989, the sect number was estimated at about 3 million people, by 2000 this number had doubled. Growth continues, including through active, if not to say aggressive, activity towards children.

One of the scandalous cases involving representatives of the sect occurred in the Republic of Mari-El. In the city of Volzhsk, in August 2015, an administrative (administrative only ...) case was initiated into the act, which in fact pulls the kidnapping of the child. The girl, who played in the yard on the playground, in an unknown (originally) direction was taken away by an unknown woman.

After several hours of fruitless searches, the child, fortunately, was found. It turned out that the girl, taking her hand, was taken to a "lecture-seminar" in one of the buildings in which the commercial company office was located. As the mother of the child, Natalya, notes, the girl’s behavior after this incident has changed - Alena (the name of the kidnapped girl) at first behaved closed, occasionally starting a conversation that reflected the influence of representatives of the sect. Just one session lasting several hours - and the child has turned, sorry for slang, into a person laden with “global problems”. How can this one-time session affect the further formation of the girl's psyche? - the question is more than serious.

As a result of consideration of the administrative case, the lady who took the child to the “seminar” in the “headquarters” of the Volzhsk sectarians was fined 10 thousand rubles. Does such a modest punishment reflect the suffering that the mother had to endure during the many hours of searching for her child, is it adequate to the psychological problems that the girl herself faced?

The mother of the child decided to appeal to a human rights organization with the loud name "Man and the Law" (Chiz), working in the territory of Mari-El. Natalya asked for help in the proceedings on the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Volzhka, an activity that is aimed, among other things, at outright making children zombie with more than dubious ideas. However, Chiz stated that they could not help Natalia, as the management departed on some very important business trip, and when it appears, nobody knows. Thus, the organization, operating under the slogan “Man. Dignity. Right. Freedom ”, demonstrated that with the protection of rights, dignity and freedom, it’s not so difficult, it just protects the rights of people with obvious selectivity. The rights of some - yes. The rights of others are in no way ... It is understandable, because the inter-regional public organization ChiZ is a typical representative of non-profit organizations-foreign agents, who even publish information about the regional representation in English on the site (apparently, it was clear to the main grantors ask about the direction of expenditure of funds allocated).

From the report of the State Television and Radio Company "Mari El":

Can one foreign agent (NPO) go against another foreign agent, which is actually a sect? Of course not ... Here is a vivid example: at one time in Gorno-Altaisk, the case of the head of the local SI cell, Alexander Kalistratov, was being considered, who evaded military service (he was replaced with alternative military service), and then he began to actively distribute materials recognized by extremist experts. We are talking about the publications of the so-called "Watchtower." From expert evaluations (Kemerovo State University):

The whole autobiography (Kalistratova) is presented as story the struggle of the righteous man with the unjust state-ideological system. (...) The hero tries in every way to avoid conscription, and these attempts are described with a positively-estimated tonality. (...) Consequently, the text of the brochure “Awaken!” Contains an incentive to refuse to perform civil duties related to military service.

The text “The Struggle for the Holy Place” contains a description of the wars for control over Jerusalem. The pathos of the text is that this whole struggle did not bring people closer to God. In the quoted fragment it is said that the wars of Christians for the Holy places actually denounced Christians of idolatry, discord, bloodshed. Along with this, the text does not report on the positive aspects of the life of Christian peoples and countries. Consequently, the text implements the original installation to create a negative image of the Christian religion and the peoples who profess it. (...) contains a deliberately negative image of the Christian religion, which provoked the peoples to bloodshed and discord.

Together with the beginning of the court hearing, both by the wave of a magic wand, both Russian and foreign “human rights activists” intensified. In particular, the notorious Lev Ponomarev, who heads the movement For Human Rights, together with Mr. Velimudr (as one of the leaders of the Russian Jehovah’s cell calls himself) took part in a press conference in which an assessment of the activities of Altai law enforcement officers in this case It was called “use of an administrative resource against public organizations”. And the Canadian representation of the Reuters news agency issued material that "Russia uses laws on extremism against dissidents." The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, who at the time was Mr. Lukin, went even further, saying:

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Comments

[EFA]

In fact, these "preachers" have been on the streets for a long time, about two years already, they have been hanging around the local train station.

I came up to them once to ask what at least they were offering, well, out of curiosity, during the conversation, so nifiga I didn’t understand, a solid perdemonocle with an anathema.
And most importantly, they poke all my waste paper, I don’t take it and continue to ask, they say, what kind of fraud, and if you want a lot of money, I mock in general.

As a result, these ladies, realizing that I was not turning to faith, openly said: man go to yug!

That is the whole religion.

[Mahmut]

man go to yug!

yug is written through y.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: EFA

I wanted to write as it should - "y" next "y" and the last "x"

All comments to delete?

[EFA]

If the estate itches like this, delete it.

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[kot28.ru]

Alexander, the problem is really topical, and there are quite a lot of citizens who believe in such a crap ! I don’t understand them, today an article about sects was published on AMUR INFO, an uncle was introduced as one of the leaders in the rank of reserve lieutenant colonel from border guards, personally knew how they were washed with their brains?

[avdkrd]

Quote: Mahmut

man go to yug!

yug is written through y.

not so yuh

[Petrol]

EFA
so these preachers who advertise African trash here in Russia starting from olga (the secret wife of kanst purplish)
and a new fashion The Scientology Crawl advertises one based on Ronald Hubbard's Dianetics
but the essence is one - MONEY!

[Petrol]

EFA I will continue
I’ve talked with Mormons here (Americans like this too, young people walk around almost without an accent in Russian, the second is some kind of Ukrainian Diaspora dialect)
they clung to the question
-Do you know "Truth"
damn I was almost "torn" in general ..... and then Ostap suffered
I told them so ... a short course outlined
all from the science of the USSR and nothing more
a person who in modern society is called Jesus Christ (although in reality he bore a different name, the date of birth is approximately 1152 - the parade of planets was in those years) was 7 children in the family and the strongest psychic in the 4th generation (scientifically proven accidentally) in 60 years in the USSR fashionable at that time, the nuclear topic and the experiment associated with the rescue of the crew of a nuclear submarine went "wrong" the subject was on the verge of life and death then the body began to save itself, as a result of which the person began to glow (tissue samples (sheet) with a body print were on balance in the 70s in the military medical academy) the dude himself or the subject worked there
further more (briefly) X-DDDDDD
desert god - zoomorphic face of the scarab beetle)) (the history of Dr. Egypt as amended by M.V. Kryukov and others)
al_liluya - I am empty in translation from dr Aramaic)))
love is the people of god of knowledge
but I almost forgot)))
I say to the Mormon when a male male completes sexual intercourse that he shouts - "Oh God"
So?? he says yes! then love is an act ..... with whom ???? !!!!!
damn ... you would see their faces
I know the most effective weapon against Americans is USSR SCIENCE!

[Major_Vortex]

The Shroud of Turin is a falsification of pure water. There is even nothing to discuss here, and knowledgeable people are aware of how these "shroud" are made and how many of them are stamped "prozapas" and scattered in warehouses in different monasteries. Ten Jesus could not have owned so much. The conveyor of fooling gullible parishioners never stops. We need "The Shroud" - right now, we'll do it, and in Hollywood we'll also shoot a movie with Angelina Jolie and Harrison Ford about saving the Shroud from the hands of the Red Chekists or fascists.
May the people who believe in these artifacts forgive me, but it's one thing to believe in God and adhere to the biblical canons, but quite another, to believe the dishonest creators of such "proofs" of the existence of God on Earth. The paranoid "Faith" pushing to such a lie is no better than complete disbelief.

[Defender]

Dear Major_Vortex! Believers will forgive of course ... However, do not consider it hard, if you are not arguing blaspheming the shrine, please read the text (the text) here: http: //profi-rus.narod.ru/pravoslavie/text/plasanica.htm And then try to prove your blasphemy.

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: Defender

important Major_Vortex! Believers will forgive of course ... However, do not consider it hard, if you are not arguing blaspheming the shrine, please read the text (the text) here: http: //profi-rus.narod.ru/pravoslavie/text/plasanica.htm And then try to prove your blasphemy.

The Shroud of Turin is a fake. What a blasphemy, do you even know the meaning of this word? I am a Christian, but I communicated with Catholics and in private conversations they themselves share their thoughts that the Vatican has stamped so many forgeries in its history of existence that it is no longer possible to take all these artifacts seriously. If you rummage through the monasteries of Italy, where the Vatican is actually located, then you can collect on the company of Jesus shroud and other fakes - these are also not my words. The Vatican is a small area in Rome, more precisely, it is a medieval fortress in Rome with the status of an independent state. The Vatican does not even have its own customs and the status of the state is very conditional. So that's it. The Shroud of Turin is an obvious forgery that has nothing to do with the historical period of Christ's life. There are people who believe in this nonsense, some even write articles on this score. It's like the American or Western European media demonizing Russia. There is a lot of talk about this, but the truth in this chatter is not even 0,0001%, although several hundred million people in the world are under the influence of this lie. What do you want to believe, too? And regarding the Orthodox portals, we must approach their study of the materials posted there with a sober mind. In Orthodoxy, people come across different things, you don't know the ins and outs of each person, and sometimes they will write this that it is difficult to draw unambiguous conclusions without higher spiritual education, and sometimes higher spiritual education is not enough to sort out all this mess and too many years pass until all kinds of delusions become apparent. Approach the study of these artifacts with a sober mind. There are a lot of forgeries among Catholic artifacts. It is now all smart and educated steel, there is the Internet, independent research by scientists. And 200-300 years ago one could lose one's life for such a statement. Read the history of this "shroud". Sensible articles skip to this. Quite educated and competent people often write.

[Defender]

You didn’t use the text on the link ... It's a pity ... I myself have come across forgeries and pseudo religious tales. Unfortunately, such things are also found among the Orthodox. The ratio of Judas and Disciples at all times is constant 1:12. However, the matter is not even in the Shroud, but in the "Tsar in the head" of our compatriots.

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: Defender

You didn’t use the text on the link ... It's a pity ... I myself have come across forgeries and pseudo religious tales. Unfortunately, such things are also found among the Orthodox. The ratio of Judas and Disciples at all times is constant 1:12. However, the matter is not even in the Shroud, but in the "Tsar in the head" of our compatriots.

I did not encounter fakes among the Orthodox, I think that here you can dig something. And this is normal if there are revelations, because people are developing rapidly and it’s becoming more difficult to deceive a modern person. Christian teaching has been around for 2000 years and there are many fakes over this period. But the topic was specifically about the shroud. This old rag was traded at some merchant and its origin is doubtful. Scientists seriously examined it and confirmed that it was a fake. Given how many fakes there are of various religious artifacts in the world, the Shroud is just another episode of deceiving believers. The main shrine to call her and worship her should be on what basis? Common cult item. What does Jesus say in the Bible about cults, remember? There would be no cult of things, there would be no fakes. People create cults for themselves and allow themselves to be deceived. Everyone knows that both Catholics and Orthodox Christians preserve the Relics of the Saints - here even though a reliable analysis can be made and investigated, everything with a sufficient degree of certainty. A spear or shroud how to check? Scientists study some of these many artifacts and it turns out that even by age they do not correspond to the period of Christ's life described in the Bible. Why cheat yourself? Self-deception is not Faith, just as you don’t convince yourself otherwise.

[Defender]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

But the topic was specifically about the shroud.

Where did this topic come from?

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

The main shrine to call her and worship her should be on what basis?

The main shrine of God.

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

A spear or shroud how to check?

Shroud i.e. The shroud was just being checked. According to my link (above), Professor of the MDA, Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev, examines this "artifact". This is my teacher, I have no reason not to trust him.

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

Self-deception is not Faith, just as you don’t convince yourself otherwise.

With two hands for!)))

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: Defender

Where did this topic come from?

You raised it by accusing me of lying or, as you put it, "blasphemy". Go sleep it off, Father

Quote: Defender

Shroud i.e. The shroud was just being checked. According to my link (above), Professor of the MDA, Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev, examines this "artifact". This is my teacher, I have no reason not to trust him.

A protodeacon cannot act as an independent expert and scholar, and his judgments can be biased and politicized. Shroud was studied by serious scientists, conducted research. The probability that she was covered with the body of Christ would tend to zero. You would have attracted the Pope to research

[Defender]

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

Quote: Defender
Where did this topic come from?
You raised it by accusing me of lying or, as you put it, "blasphemy". Go sleep it off, Father

Dear, in your first commentary on this article, for no reason, you started blaming the Shroud and still accuse me of drunkenness

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

The Shroud of Turin is a falsification of pure water. There is even nothing to discuss here, and knowledgeable people are aware of how these "shroud" are made and how many of them are stamped "prozapas" and scattered in warehouses in different monasteries. Ten Jesus could not have owned so much. The conveyor of fooling gullible parishioners never stops. We need "The Shroud" - right now, we'll do it, and in Hollywood we'll also shoot a movie with Angelina Jolie and Harrison Ford about saving the Shroud from the hands of the Red Chekists or fascists.
May the people who believe in these artifacts forgive me, but it's one thing to believe in God and adhere to the biblical canons, but quite another, to believe the dishonest creators of such "proofs" of the existence of God on Earth. The paranoid "Faith" pushing to such a lie is no better than complete disbelief.

In my opinion, to put it mildly, you are forgotten.

Quote: Mayor_Vikhr

A protodeacon cannot act as an independent expert and scholar, and his judgments can be biased and politicized. Shroud was studied by serious scientists, conducted research. The probability that she was covered with the body of Christ would tend to zero. You would have attracted the Pope to research

You argue referring to some "serious scientists" without citing any links. And in the text that I offered you, the protodeacon referred to specific scientists and their research. You ignore him.
Therefore, I see that we will not be able to adequately continue the conversation. Moreover, the theme of the Shroud of Turin is not for HE.
PS I'm not a holy father)))

[Major_Vortex]

Quote: Defender

Dear, in your first commentary on this article, for no reason, you started blaming the Shroud and still accuse me of drunkenness

Once again it did not come. I’m not blaspheming, but the Vatican made this linden tree to hang noodles for the parishioners. The old linden tree was already falling into the hands of scientists. Sit back and study the results. There, half of the vaults in the Vatican are littered with similar fakes. The Pope's vanguard squads have already sat down on their ears and are proving that this is a "holy" thing to primitive barbarians? In vain transfer your time to me, I know the true "value" of this rag even without you, and Kuraev is not the ultimate truth for me at all. Better to let the protodeacon investigate more attentively where he made a mistake in his "research". People wake up not only after drunkenness, but also after overwork.
And I know that you are not a holy father, do not worry. Because of this rag, we are still arguing.

[Defender]

And brothers, I want to remind you: "A holy place is never empty"! If there is no "Tsar in the head" then His place will certainly be taken by some pseudo-religious "god" or any human passion, and maybe immediately a "legion".

Without God, a nation is a crowd
United by vice
Or blind, or stupid,
Or, even worse, is cruel.

And let any one rise to the throne
High syllable
The crowd will remain a crowd
Until he turns to God!

In 2004, adherents of various sects eats Western money were brought to the Maidan.
The Faith of the Fathers accepted by the mind and heart is a panacea for many bad things.

[EFA]

It is Benzin!
Any tricky or uncomfortable questions about their beliefs baffle them. However, this is true only for the "preaching flock" (but in fact, agitators), but the dispute with the abbot or pastor who broadcasts in the church is already more complicated, he has intellect and in theology he is oriented much better, practically on everything is the answer.

For example, not far from me (about 20 minutes by car) a church was built, either Adventists or witnesses, but the name on the facade is like this - "The Fortress Prayer House". Officially (in our area) Pentecostals, Baptists, Scientologists (banned, but they are as a Hubbard lovers club), Jehovah's Witnesses are also registered. And this is in a relatively small area.

Or here's another, I work with Koreans, and they go to church (Protestants), because the devout, although sinning like they breathe, is no less than the rest of the believers, but they have the audacity after a specific joint binge to reproach you for what they say you sinned yesterday. And so I visited the service there, in Korean, of course, but they translated for me. The essence of the sermon and, in general, the main line (at least in this church) of "faith" is (as I understood from the translation) that only by losing everything you gain everything. Well, to make it easier for you - obligatory donations, and at a fee! Not less than 1000 rubles (or won in equivalent), some, in terms of income and 30-80 kr, are left for service.

The sermon is very aggressive, with elements of psychological and physical impact, even the intonation and loudness of the voice is selected according to the content.

In general, business.

[Thor]

To disperse all these Jesuses, Jehovahs and other baptists with the Pagan Sledgehammer of Mjolnir !! )))

[Throw]

Or the Slavic Sword of Perun!

[EwgenyZ]

Dear, you forgot to add that your "ancient" faith of Perun is already one hundred thousand years old.

[EwgenyZ]

Some, the same "ancient" and honoring the "ancestors' faith" like you, in Ukraine grabbed the "sledgehammer", but regularly get rid of the "infidels". Are you not afraid to receive something in return for the tinsel?

[Throw]

Her .. On Faith and Spirit just in Novoros stand. Only the Old Slavonic roots were forgotten, but it is they who give strength, and not the Hebrew Byzantine writers.
So take care of your tinsel

[EwgenyZ]

Throw

Quote: Lance

They stand on Faith and Spirit just in Novoros.

I agree, on faith in "the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Life-giving, who is from the Father who proceeds, who are worshiped and glorified with the Father and the Son, who spoke the prophets." (Symbol of faith)
But no less than the faith of spirits in dead gods.

Quote: Lance

Only the roots of the Old Slavic forgot

And you, I must understand, have not forgotten !? Well duck enlighten, but only the facts, please, and not the works of overseas "writers" and home-grown science fiction writers such as Pater Diya and Tyunyaev.

[Skalpel]

Have you reviewed the comics? :)))

[Skalpel]

Have you reviewed the comics? :)))

[Mentat]

Quote: EFA

a church, either Adventists, or witnesses, but the name on the facade is like this - "Fortress Prayer House". Officially (in our area) Pentecostals, Baptists, Scientologists (banned, but they are as a Hubbard lovers club), Jehovah's Witnesses are also registered. And this is in a relatively small area.

You in one bottle do not interfere.

SI (Jehovah's Witnesses) - a sect founded by a sales agent suffering from a phobia of infernal torment.

A little later, he conducted several successful scams, than laid the financial foundation of this organization.
There are strong deviations from Christianity, images in their literature use the technology of subliminal visual reinforcement of the text developed by them (embedded pictures). Very rich organization.

Mormons is a sect founded by a swindler who was fond of mediumship.

Deviations even more. In fact, in this sect, Christianity is used only as a cover.

Mormons have seized enormous power and influence in a number of US states, are one of the richest organizations in the world, have their own television stations, pocket corporations, their judges and their people everywhere in these states.

Scientologists (Hubbardists, Dianetics) - a sect founded by a science fiction writer who dreamed of high profits, and decided to found a sect initially for profit.

Use psychocoding, hypnosis, including with the help of medications. In the West, they do not shy away from intimidation and physical elimination of "unwanted people." Many Western actors and pop stars are recruited by this sect. Mired in contacts with special services. Lighted up in several high-profile cases of theft of secret data from the British intelligence.
Summary: a semi-criminal group under the guise of US intelligence.

Baptists, Pentecostals, Evangelists are branches of Protestantism. Virtually unchanged Christianity. There are quite harmless shtetl churches of the Protestant type (i.e., denying ritualism and centralization of church administration). However, there are (albeit not much), in fact, NGOs disguised as such churches, to our great regret. For example, the "church" of Alexei Ledyaev in Riga, which took part in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.


I will also add that one of the most dangerous since health are numerous "schools of yoga of the neotantra," with the last word often omitted, where young people are involved in the practice of "neotantra." All “neotanthantrists” use texts and the “school” of Osho - a madman, a crook, a pimp and a criminal.

[lubesky]

Quote: Benzin

the man who in modern society is called Jesus Christ (although in reality he had a different name, his birth date was approximately 1152 - the planet parade was in those years) was 7 children in the family and the strongest psychic in the 4th generation (accidentally scientifically proven)

Quote: Benzin

I say to the Mormon when a male male completes sexual intercourse that he shouts - "Oh God"
So?? he says yes! then love is an act ..... with whom ???? !!!!!

Dear, from your text and many letters, I did not understand one who gave you the right to mock and ridicule the feelings of believers? This is from what scientifically proven works, did you get "your" biography of Jesus of Nazareth? How can you confirm these findings? I agree about the antisocial activity of Jehovah's Witnesses and, say, Mormons, but personally, I am not pleased to read your offensive fabrications about God, I am sure there are enough Orthodox Christians here, they cross furiously on many branches, as they say in the trend now and I don't see brothers in faith here, who are outraged by such insults. And mind you, your possible answer - if you don't want to, don't read - is not interesting to me, the law of our country guarantees that no one has the right to scoff at my beliefs. I am sincerely upset by your "scientificness", which incompetence is betrayed by Zadornov's antiscientific nonsense in linguistics and the meaning of the ancient Slavic roots of words, you have the same free interpretation ...
And since this is all that you poured out in the form of a text on a wave of urapatriotism and in a trend, everything that is associated with the State Department is all in a heap, here you clearly overdid it, discord on the national and religious foundation does not in any way contribute to the strengthening and formation of Russia, this is for you from the course Stories of the Fatherland, read at your leisure, well, at least a few paragrofs from an ordinary textbook, this is my advice to you, a lover of "USSR science" ...

[Your friend]

I agree about the antisocial activities of Jehovah's Witnesses and, say, Mormons, but personally, I am not pleased to read your insulting fabrications about God

Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

[lubesky]

Quote: Your friend

Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

I answer, they are not, because the above God does not insult and do not blaspheme. And I commented on a comrade who, of course, is not obliged to believe in God, this is his right, but clearly in his text he made an insult to God and it offended me as a believer. The law of the Russian Federation guarantees me the right not to be offended in my religious feelings in the media. Have I fully answered your question?

[Your friend]

Quote: lubesky

Quote: Your friend

Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

I answer, they are not, because the above God does not insult and do not blaspheme. And I commented on a comrade who, of course, is not obliged to believe in God, this is his right, but clearly in his text he made an insult to God and it offended me as a believer. The law of the Russian Federation guarantees me the right not to be offended in my religious feelings in the media. Have I fully answered your question?

No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

[lubesky]

Quote: Your friend

No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

All these statements for a believer are blasphemy against God, mortal sin. And from the lips of an unbeliever these words are for me, as a believer, also a blasphemy, but I will not judge him, God will condemn. This is only his personal opinion and he has every right to do so. How am I fighting this? No way, I just do not keep silent, I warn the person that I know for sure the opposite, he cannot and should not say such a thing, I appeal to his conscience and if he remains unconvinced, this is his right.
Now about the case when a person in the presence of me, a believer, talks about sexual intercourse (which in itself went in principle) and alludes to God and mixes these two phenomena - this person insults and tramples on my personal beliefs, scoffs at them, over mine beliefs. In this case, it violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation. So in this case, he offends my feelings of the believer (apparently this does not offend your feelings - your right).
The right to NOT be silent in such cases is guaranteed to me by the constitution of my country, and my moral right to stop blasphemy against God was given to me by my service in the Russian Armed Forces, where I was in different situations and saw a lot of violent atheists who asked in a difficult time, one on one tell me more about God than the science of the USSR.
I hope now I have given you a more complete answer.

[Your friend]

Quote: lubesky

Quote: Your friend

No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

All these statements for a believer are blasphemy against God, mortal sin. And from the lips of an unbeliever these words are for me, as a believer, also a blasphemy, but I will not judge him, God will condemn. This is only his personal opinion and he has every right to do so. How am I fighting this? No way, I just do not keep silent, I warn the person that I know for sure the opposite, he cannot and should not say such a thing, I appeal to his conscience and if he remains unconvinced, this is his right.
Now about the case when a person in the presence of me, a believer, talks about sexual intercourse (which in itself went in principle) and alludes to God and mixes these two phenomena - this person insults and tramples on my personal beliefs, scoffs at them, over mine beliefs. In this case, it violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation. So in this case, he offends my feelings of the believer (apparently this does not offend your feelings - your right).
The right to NOT be silent in such cases is guaranteed to me by the constitution of my country, and my moral right to stop blasphemy against God was given to me by my service in the Russian Armed Forces, where I was in different situations and saw a lot of violent atheists who asked in a difficult time, one on one tell me more about God than the science of the USSR.
I hope now I have given you a more complete answer.

You gave me the following answer: In the first case "but I will not judge him, God will condemn", in the second "In this case, he violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation . " Well, you can't deny logic. (((

[lubesky]

Quote: Your friend

You gave me the following answer: In the first case "but I will not judge him, God will condemn", in the second "In this case, he violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation . " Well, you can't deny logic.

And the logic is, dear, that in the second case, he insulting God, insulted me personally, moreover, my indignation at this fact is not just a personal opinion, but the majority opinion, enshrined in the legislative act. I consider it, in general, very logical, to defend my beliefs and conscience, and in the first case, he is not obliged to believe, I can only convict him, but not condemn him. What is not logical here?
On the contrary, your logic suggests that the editors of "Charlie-Hebdo" were right in publishing an open mockery of the Prophet Muhammad, thereby offending the feelings of billions of Muslims? So I'll explain the logic to you - having published doubts about his belonging to the prophets - this is a permissible opinion, which, although outraged by Muslims, is permissible by law, because this is the opinion of other people. It is quite another matter to publish a caricature that OFFENSES a holy person for Muslims, which is stupid and provocative, which offends their feelings and beliefs. For a person, mockery of holy things is not equal to expressing one's opinion. Do you understand my logic now? If not, then you can't deny it logic ..

[Oper6300]

Don't dig a hole for another - I speak like an uninterested person. You don't like the SI, but the Gasoline user doesn't like the beliefs of your "believers". So that's it.

[Vasia kruger]

In Moscow, they still go from door to door in the Svao, just a couple of days ago such women were pinned on the subject ... as they said, "help in understanding the Bible." I sent them to the house and closed the door.

By the way, they introduce themselves as tricky, start something like "Hello, our organization is carrying out today, in your district, work to help understanding ... blah blah blah"

[xin-l]

What a stupid and biased article. Even funny, except for its primitive background and clearly xenophobic hue. You still recognize the Bible as extremist for complete happiness and you will be a little Judaic happiness.

[ivan48857]

Another ADEPT! Justify what is the stupidity of this article?

[Oper6300]

Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
You can minus until you turn blue.

[nov_tech.vrn]

I constantly see these ladies, I tried to take pictures with the whole trichomudia, so they scream. They visited my brother's mother-in-law for several months and then she accidentally watched a TV show about sects, as the grandmother whispered, asked to drive the "sisters" in three necks, it was about five years ago.

[dvg79]

There was a deal communicated with this brethren after several questions on the merits of the reaction like evil spirits to holy water.

[nov_tech.vrn]

operas you're kind of frail, the maidan of the brain on your forehead is written

[Your friend]

Quote: Oper6300

Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
You can minus until you turn blue.

Funny? Sociable? Are you talking about those frightened aunts who go around our house a couple of times a month, steaming their watchtower?
Lord, and in VO they are ....

[Oper6300]

Dear friend, I do not know who you saw, but we are talking about the masses and trends. I communicate with them much more often than many local commentators, and I can assure you that they do not send interlocutors to the south (unlike the population of this site). By the way, pay attention to their presentation style. Compare with what I write and another doubted.

[Your friend]

Quote: Oper6300

Dear friend, I do not know who you saw, but we are talking about the masses and trends. I communicate with them much more often than many local commentators, and I can assure you that they do not send interlocutors to the south (unlike the population of this site). By the way, pay attention to their presentation style. Compare with what I write and another doubted.

Um, if these women talk about the Bible, offer to study the Bible with SI, give brochures about SI ..... um. probably they are pastafarians, buddy?
Who should I pay attention to, my friend? Who are "them"?
And by the way, they drink. According to their faith, drinking alcohol is not a sin. So don't, my friend, this "Plus, they don't drink, they don't smoke (which can't be said about the priests of Gundyaev's parish)." You "communicate with them much more often, you might know.)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: xin-l

Even funny, except for its primitive background and clearly xenophobic hue.

What sect? Witness God Kuzi?

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Witness God Kuzi?

Understood Cousin Mother

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ruslan67

Understood Cousin Mother

Cousin virgin in witnesses, witnessed the fall of Kuzi

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

witnessed the fall of Kuzi

So how do you now have a snack after this snout?

[Vadim237]

This snout has already been hidden behind bars; in the zone he will see the true karma of being at the bucket.

[Baikonur]

Quote: Ruslan67

Quote: Alexander Romanov

witnessed the fall of Kuzi

So how do you now have a snack after this snout?

Damn, I also nearly vomited!
P.S., (as applied to the article):
I also watched Ms. Alekseeva, an old woman coughing (probably her Russian name, probably her husband)!) persuaded Putin to change his attitude to NGOs in Russia. Like, they are good, honest, good and prosperity wish Russia, children, and you are in foreign countries. agents recorded!

Also almost vomited from these words and from her appearance!

[Independent]

Quote: Baikonur

Damn, I also nearly vomited!
P.S., (as applied to the article):

Quote: Baikonur

Also almost vomited from these words and from her appearance!

So I did not understand, you are smart or beautiful. Full of discord in thoughts.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: xin-l

You still recognize the Bible as extremist for complete happiness and you will be a little Judaic happiness.

And what does the Bible have to do with it ?! Once I had a conversation with representatives of SI, to my answer that I was baptized, I heard that "faith can be changed", after these words, I had to send them "far and for a long time." Infuriates them with importunity, they seep into houses like cockroaches (intercoms are not an obstacle for them, however, the residents themselves are to blame for this), they call by phone (they had to threaten with criminal prosecution if the calls did not stop). Once, in a conversation with a relative of her friend, who is a Jehovah's Witness, she asked him a question: "Why do they use household appliances, live in comfortable housing, if, according to their teaching, all this is the machinations of Satan? !!" In response, she did not hear anything intelligible, but she acquired an enemy.

[Oper6300]

And you, "baptized", sent them with words from Holy Scripture?

[Baloo]

In the mid-90s, a guy jumps up at a bus stop and starts campaigning for the Baptists-evangelists. I tell him: guy, look around you for how many beautiful girls! What are you wasting your life on. That wilderness, his head lowered, a tear came. Looks like on hooks ...

[dvg79]

I tried to get through to this, the guy can be removed as the standard of the true Aryan, and he suffers from garbage. However, he was hard to see his brain, his eyes were like a doll, and all my rhetoric was in vain. But his partner tried to argue quite skillfully, but quickly realizing who she encountered, she quickly dumped and dragged him along.

[free]

and here the sectarian has granted, the admin is your way out!

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: free

admin is your way out!

What for? He did not break anything, and in the minus he would be pounded. And he will be happy.

[Oper6300]

What can you say about my opponent? nov_tech.vrn (1) RU Today, 15:18 ↑

[Batia]

You apparently have not encountered these preachers. These are real people with real tasks of zombifying the population. if you let their actions take their course, it will be a disaster, because not everyone with a stable psyche will send these preachers to the "yug". It is not too late to eradicate this infection.

[dvg79]

And you read it, it immediately becomes clear where the legs of "My Struggle" grow, unless of course you think about what is written there.

[free]

for treason and immediately on the count of aspen!

[Zomanus]

Yes, we ourselves need not to blunt and burn such literature,
pour paint, spoil in every way.
If society itself does not begin to oppose this heresy,
the state will do nothing.

[1536]

Once he said to such a "former teacher" who with her friend stood near the Moscow suburban train station, distributing this literature: Are you ashamed, elderly woman, are you misleading the true youth? "I did not receive an answer. Then I wrote a request to the local council of deputies, to its head, the former mayor of our city near Moscow. I am still waiting for an answer, but the sectarians are still standing. Suddenly I accidentally learn that this deputy flies, it turns out, to work from ... Spain. And now add the address of the printing house, a villa in Spain , money from the USA and we get what we see.

[Baloo]

Suddenly I accidentally find out that this deputy is flying, it turns out, to work from ... Spain. Now add up the address of the printing house, a villa in Spain, money from the USA and get what we see.
Outrageous. Where is the landing?

[strelets]

Catchers of souls. It is worth approaching them to a weak or unhappy person - and that's all, clawed bogged down, an abyss to the whole bird.
They are no better than terrorists, they must be banned and dispersed, all sectarians sent for compulsory treatment. Maybe they can’t be saved, so at least they won’t destroy the new ones.

[Same lech]

without parental consent, take the child to a “lecture” of such “dissident social activists”, injuring the psyche of both the child and the mother

- this is a criminal article ... and parents can legally solder the millionth claim of this organization for moral damage and suffering of the child ... the main thing is to document all aspects of this case in time.

[Basil50]

Another oddity, according to * Satanists *, is that any Satan can be called up in the Bible, only there is something to be wise, and please come. The Bible is obligatory in this rite; for some reason, you cannot do without it. And how many different interpretations on the topic of God, and all with fire in his eyes. If * the word of God * is one book - * the Bible *, then it should be clear to everyone, but there are so many oral and written interpreters that the question arises of the honesty of all theology. Indeed * literature * theological is immeasurable. Is this what they correct their god all the time? Where does such arrogance come from? And they dare to demand respect for themselves.

[Kahlan amnell]

If the Bible is true, then it cannot contradict MYSELF. However, there are contradictions in the Bible. And to myself. Bible writers did not bother to coordinate their opuses with their predecessors and with each other.

[navigator]

Quote: Vasily50

Another oddity, according to * Satanists *, is that any Satan can be called up in the Bible, only there is something to be wise, and please come. The Bible is obligatory in this rite; for some reason, you cannot do without it. And how many different interpretations on the topic of God, and all with fire in his eyes. If * the word of God * one book - * the Bible *, then it should be clear to everyone, but there are so many oral and written interpreters that the question arises of the honesty of all theology. Indeed * literature * theological is immeasurable. Is this what they correct their god all the time? Where does such arrogance come from? And they dare to demand respect for themselves.

You are deeply mistaken. Satanists use the "black bible" -antiBible for their rituals. The author is an American Satanist Anthony LaVey. And so many interpreters speak not about the "honesty of all theology" or "that they correct their god all the time," but the difficulties of translating from ancient Greek , ancient Aramaic languages. And where do such conclusions come from, especially about “they still dare to demand respect for themselves.” It would not hurt you to express your thoughts with respect, so as not to offend anyone in vain.

[Kahlan amnell]

... and the difficulties of translation from ancient Greek, ancient Aramaic.

Oh yes of course! Translation difficulties are so great that numerous Bible commissions have been involved in these translations for decades.

[navigator]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

... and the difficulties of translation from ancient Greek, ancient Aramaic.

Oh yes of course! Translation difficulties are so great that numerous Bible commissions have been involved in these translations for decades.

Well, yes, you are a teacher of chemistry and biology, and even your husband says that you are more like Kahlan Amnell. And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades? Everything has been translated for a long time. Interpretation is not a translation. they interpreted everything wrongly.

[Kahlan amnell]

Of course, my character and professional activity are not relevant to the question. Just why did you decide that I must lock myself in their framework?

Quote: navigator

And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades?

I read a lot.

[navigator]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Of course, my character and professional activity are not relevant to the question. Just why did you decide that I must lock myself in their framework?

Quote: navigator

And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades?

I read a lot.

And why did you get that I decided so? You so fervently, waving a sword like your beloved heroine, judge peremptorily .... theologians. What is interpreted for decades is simple. The Bible is untrue because it contradicts itself, I so I decided. And you don’t contradict yourself? By the way, we all read a lot and therefore we often imagine ourselves smarter than others. And is that a question or not.

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: navigator

And why did you get that I decided so? You are so fervently, waving a sword like your beloved heroine, peremptorily judge .... theologians.

But Bogosov can not be judged? Are theologians such super beings, do they all know and are they faultless? Well right popes. Or is theology exact science and its statements verified by experience? Maybe we will equate mythology with mathematics, physics and astronomy.

Quote: navigator

What is interpreted for decades is simple. The Bible is not true, because it contradicts itself, I decided so.

This is not my decision, sir, this is logic. "Two conflicting judgments cannot be simultaneously true. At least one of them is false."
If we accept the point of view of theologians that the scriptures are inspired, then the presence in one biblical book of the statement "A equals B", and the presence in another biblical book of the statement "A is not equal to B, but equal to 1/2 C and 3/8 D" - looks like , to put it mildly, strange. Omniscient God dictates not what he dictated before? Or do those who write this dictation have no problems with hearing?
Interpretation is to turn around and reconcile contradictions.

Quote: navigator

And you do not contradict yourself?

Give me the facts and I admit that you are right.

Quote: navigator

By the way, we all read a lot and therefore we often imagine ourselves smarter than others. And whether or not this is a question.

But there is an incentive to eliminate ignorance and fill the gaps.

[navigator]

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

But Bogosov can not be judged? Are theologians such super beings, do they all know and are they faultless? Well right popes. Or is theology exact science and its statements verified by experience? Maybe we will equate mythology with mathematics, physics and astronomy.

Well, you certainly are not the pope. Compare with biology.

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Or is it unimportant for those who write this dictation to hear? Interpretation is to turn out and reconcile contradictions.

Do you always express yourself so vulgarly? There is no desire to prove anything to you, you are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone. This is Socrates, unlike you he said: “I know that I don’t know anything.” But you are not Socrates, you are a teacher. Only I am not your student and theology is not biology. You are beguiled.

Quote: Kahlan Amnell

Give me the facts and I admit that you are right.

Do not recognize, you will refute, prove your case. Eliminate ignorance and fill in the gaps.

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: navigator

Are you always so vulgarly expressed?

And what is vulgarity, Mr. apologist for theology? In spelling things by their proper names?

Quote: navigator

There is no desire to prove something to you, they are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone.

This is already known, as they always say when there is nothing to say in essence.

Quote: navigator

This is Socrates, unlike you, he said: "I know that I do not know anything."

The statement is attributed to Socrates. Other sources attribute it to Democritus. But we will not argue, we agree with Plato and accept Socrates' authorship. And what follows from this?
Socrates explained his idea this way: people usually think that they know something, but it turns out that they don't know anything. Thus, it turns out that, knowing about my ignorance, I know more than everyone else. It would seem that the statement contains a logically contradictory statement: if a person does not know anything, then he cannot know that he does not know. This is a kind of attempt to formulate the ratio of the known to the unknown. It can be visualized as follows: imagine that all our knowledge is the internal surface of the sphere, and ignorance is external. The larger our knowledge becomes, the larger the surface area of ​​the sphere becomes, and therefore our “contact” with the unknown.

Quote: navigator

... and theology is not biology.

And not even chemistry. Theology is "science" about the unprovable and unverifiable non-existent.

Quote: navigator

Do not recognize, will refute, prove your case.

Would you really want something else? Or do you still risk looking and presenting the facts?

Quote: navigator

Eliminate ignorance and fill in the gaps.

And you join. This is useful.

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: navigator

Well, you certainly are not the pope. Compare with biology.

In other words, be silent, woman, and know your place?

[navigator]

[quote = Kahlan Amnell] [quote = navigator] Do you always use such vulgar language? [/ quote]
And what is vulgarity, Mr. apologist for theology? In spelling things by their proper names?
[quote = navigator] There is no desire to prove something to you, they are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone. [/ quote]
This is already known, as they always say when there is nothing to say in essence.
[quote = navigator] This is Socrates, unlike you, he said: "I know I don't know anything." [/ quote]
The statement is attributed to Socrates. Other sources attribute it to Democritus. But we will not argue, we agree with Plato and accept Socrates' authorship. And what follows from this?
Socrates explained his idea as follows:

You played too much, not a lesson in chemistry or biology. I do not need to explain how Socrates explained the idea.

[quote = navigator] ... and theology is not biology. [/ quote]
And not even chemistry. Theology is "science" about the unprovable and unverifiable non-existent.

That's all. The debate is over.

[quote = navigator] Do not recognize, will refute, prove your case. [/ quote]
Would you really want something else? Or do you still risk looking and presenting the facts?

Risk what? Provide facts? Interpretation of the Bible? And to whom, you, your mind?

[quote = Kahlan Amnell] In other words - be silent, woman, and know your place? [/ Quote]


Scream, woman, and forget your place. Please do not write your pearls anymore.

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: navigator

That's all. The debate is over.

Quote: navigator

Scream, woman, and forget your place. Please do not write your pearls anymore.

So we debated.

[samuil60]

When people boast of their illiteracy (and historical, including) - this is a disaster. Yes, a lot of charlatans got divorced. But to consider all the clergy as swindlers, and all believers as idiots, this, fatty, is already the height of stupidity. Then the idiots were Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people. And for two thousand years there have been many who wish to present everything as fiction. As, for example, talk about polls of raped German women in the 45th. But it did not work, And you, comrades, will not work. And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: samuil60

And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

Or very, very surprised ...

[Your friend]

Quote: samuil60

When people boast of their illiteracy (and historical, including) - this is a disaster. Yes, a lot of charlatans got divorced. But to consider all the clergy as swindlers, and all believers as idiots, this, fatty, is already the height of stupidity. Then the idiots were Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people. And for two thousand years there have been many who wish to present everything as fiction. As, for example, talk about polls of raped German women in the 45th. But it did not work, And you, comrades, will not work. And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

How can you laugh or cry after the death of the body?

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: samuil60

Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people

What - Christians and the 9th commandment have already been canceled?

[encarcelado]

Dear author, most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand. It is necessary to separate the lamb from the goats.

Everything is clear with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons - these are classic sects. But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations? These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. It's just that in Russia, in the dark, it is customary to consider all but Orthodox and Muslims as sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.

In short, the author, this world, not dregs.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: encarcelado

But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations?

To the bonfire for heresy

[encarcelado]

Quote: Ruslan67

most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand.

[AlNikolaich]

Quote: encarcelado

What? Is Russia being driven to Protestants? Or who forbade Lutheran churches?
Do not distort!

[arane]

Quote: encarcelado

Dear author, most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand. It is necessary to separate the lamb from the goats.

Everything is clear with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons - these are classic sects. But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations? These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. It's just that in Russia, in the dark, it is customary to consider all but Orthodox and Muslims as sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.

In short, the author, this world, not dregs.

Well, why, in Russia, apart from Muslims and Orthodox Christians, there are a lot of Buddhists, who are in general unmeasured in the world!
Catholics, Lutherans and other variations of Christianity, yes, these are not sects ..... we just have very few of them, it happened historically!
So representatives of these faiths do not bother people on the street!
The goal of creating various sects in the vast majority is to obtain material wealth! At the same time, the adherents themselves, with joy, give away everything that has been acquired through overwork. If memory serves, the Scientology founder Hubboard was asked before his death why he had created it. He honestly answered, make money. His business then did not seem to die out .... the Church of Scientologists (Dianetics) still exists.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: encarcelado

These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans

Ask SI and they will say that all of the above are sects. And at the same time, all these sects do not consider themselves sects, but they consider sectarians of everyone else.
What kind of sect do you represent?

[encarcelado]

Three sentences, three factual errors.
1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the ruling church. In a figurative sense, a group of individuals who are closed in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are over a billion of them. There are a little less than three hundred thousand Orthodox.
2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians.
3. I can’t imagine any sect. Just studied religion.

[Baloo]

Just studied religion.
NGOs or grants from Soros?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: encarcelado

1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the ruling church. In a figurative sense, a group of individuals who are closed in their narrow interests.

By the way, Christianity was considered a sect within the framework of Judaism for about 30 years after the crucifixion of Christ. Historical fact.
But I generally think that religion in the state should be one. We’ve been living with Muslims for a long time, and even graters are constant. And then Catholics with Protestants climb to us, paid for by the Vatican (By the way, fish are glued onto the trunk of a car). On the basis of differences in religious beliefs, it is convenient to drive a wedge into one nation. Yugoslavia as an example.

[Roman Skomorokhov]

But Protestant Catholics are quite.

[navigator]

Quote: encarcelado

Three sentences, three factual errors. 1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the ruling church. In a figurative sense, a group of individuals who are closed in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are over a billion of them. There are a little less than three hundred thousand Orthodox Christians. 2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians. 3. I don't represent any sect. I was just studying religious studies.

Sly, with your baggage you cannot help but know that a sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

The fact that quantity does not replace quality, you also cannot know, what is the difference how many Protestants.

It also does not matter whether Protestants of Catholics and Orthodox sectarians believe or not.

[navigator]

Quote: encarcelado

Three sentences, three factual errors. 1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the ruling church. In a figurative sense, a group of individuals who are closed in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are over a billion of them. There are a little less than three hundred thousand Orthodox Christians. 2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians. 3. I don't represent any sect. I was just studying religious studies.

Sly, with your baggage you cannot help but know that a sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

The fact that quantity does not replace quality, you also cannot know, what is the difference how many Protestants.

It also does not matter whether Protestants of Catholics and Orthodox sectarians believe or not.

[navigator]

"It's just that in Russia, in the dark, everyone except Orthodox and Muslims is considered to be sects, although these are the official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as there are Orthodox."

The number speaks only of the size of the sect, the followers of Moon are also millions - they, too, as you write, are "official mainstream Christian movements", HAVING NO ATTITUDE TO CHRISTIANITY, just like Jehovah's Witnesses. If you do not know what a sect is, then enlighten to begin with. Refer to numerous Baptists, find out who they are and where they came from and why. Then the author will not have complaints about the dregs, which are not in the article.

[encarcelado]

And why is it not related to Christianity? He studied religion for several years, read the Bible in three languages, and studied at the seminary. Are you sure that I should be enlightened, and not vice versa?

[navigator]

"And why is it not related to Christianity? I studied religious studies for several years, read the Bible in three languages, studied at the seminary. Are you sure that I should be enlightened, and not vice versa?"

Absolutely. At least according to the list of "merits", not to mention ignorance of the topic.

[encarcelado]

Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy, where, in addition to the Bible, "tradition" is also considered an authoritative source - decisions of popes, patriarchs, church councils, the teachings of monks, saints, etc. In fact, Protestantism is the same "old" Christian trends, minus all the fat and slag that have grown over two millennia after the writing of the Gospel. There are no new teachings and strange interpretations there.

I have a reasoned position. Your statements, however, are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter.

[navigator]

"I have a well-reasoned position. Your statements are unfounded, which does not give you a person who understands this issue."

I just do not want to waste time on meaningless arguments with you, into which you are trying to draw, but with you, "I studied religious studies for several years, read the Bible in three languages, studied at the seminary" and "reasoned position".

[EwgenyZ]

encarcelado

Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy

Do you speak the Bible? And where are the lines in the Bible that homosexuality is charitable?
"If anyone lies with a man as with a woman, then both of them have done an abomination: let them be put to death, their blood on them." (Leviticus 20:13) As an expert in religious studies, you should be familiar with these lines.
And now these "related to Christianity" churches are in charge of justifying sin!

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: EwgenyZ

And where are the lines in the Bible that homosexuality is charitable?

There are other lines that say that with homosexuality God punishes those who, having cognized God, did not glorify him as a god, and "changed the glory of an incorruptible god into an image like a corruptible man" - to Romans 1: 18-28.

These punished people now apparently realized their unrighteousness and are trying to repent, but for some reason you are unhappy with this ...

[Your friend]

Quote: encarcelado

Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy, where, in addition to the Bible, "tradition" is also considered an authoritative source - decisions of popes, patriarchs, church councils, the teachings of monks, saints, etc. In fact, Protestantism is the same "old" Christian trends, minus all the fat and slag that have grown over two millennia after the writing of the Gospel. There are no new teachings and strange interpretations there.

I have a reasoned position. Your statements, however, are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter.

Indeed, charismatics are quite Protestants. "Finally" there are no new teachings and strange interpretations there. Yeah.

[Baloo]

What else is really useful for progressive humanity that you credit yourself besides waving to the enemies of Russia?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: encarcelado

studied at the seminary.

What branch of Christianity do you consider your faith?

[encarcelado]

I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination. I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings. This probably makes me closer to the Protestants.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: encarcelado

I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination.

That is, you are a logician. Maybe then you will be closer to the teachings of the Gnostics, not Protestants?

[navigator]

Quote: encarcelado

I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination. I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings

Specialist of a wide profile.

[navigator]

"We are already on the" you ")) Well, okay, brother. Let me explain it on your fingers - you don't push bullshit, if you don't fumble about it. How many such organizations do you know personally and how many were there to open your mouth and to be honest chase the boys. You have to answer for the bazaar, but any rooster can go after an avatar with a shoulder strap. "

Quote from the song: "I haven't heard the coolest damn thing in the zone," well done. Here is a true theologian who writes: "I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings. This probably makes me closer to Protestants."

[encarcelado]

And I'm not a theologian. Yes, even if it were, knowledge of the great and powerful as well as the use of irony does not detract from the latter.

[Independent]

Quote: encarcelado

We're already on the "you")) Well, good, brother. Let me pound you on my fingers - you don't push bullshit, if you don't fumble about the topic. How many such organizations do you know personally and how many were there to open your mouth and chase honest guys. You have to answer for the bazaar, but any rooster can go after an avatar with a shoulder strap.

Oh, Mr. Protestant not only mastered the history of religions, but also Fenya in full. There were good teachers.

[Baloo]

These sects are someone's business. Turchinov’s merits we know. The oligophrenic who killed the Armenian family in Gyumri, the son of the leader of the Baptist church in Siberia. The crime was committed on the holiday of the sect; to tell.

[Petrol]

encarcelado
THAT ONE Crap all these currents

[kimanas]

These crooked witnesses are especially active in the province. In our town the number of such western parishes is equal to the sum of a mosque plus churches.

[Reptiloid]

These aunts often wiped themselves off near the hospital when I was with a fracture. They "caught" visitors in order to heal their relatives, their mother scolded them and said that the doctors themselves treat well, if they want to help patients, let them sweep the paths.

[navigator]

"These aunts often wiped themselves off near the hospital when I was with a fracture. They" caught "visitors in order to heal their relatives, their mother scolded them and said that the doctors themselves heal well, if they want to help patients, let them sweep the paths."

Well done Your mom, this is the most effective method.

[parusnik]

Want to cut the dough, come up with a religion ...

[KBACYPA]

Preachers knocked on the door a few years ago. One grandmother is God's dandelion, the second is a very sexy girl. I liked the girl, I decided to try to get her out of the sect. For a month and a half I went to their gatherings and made an important conclusion: in the sect it is good for people who are spineless and lost. If a person has willpower, if there is something that he appreciates in this world, if there is at least a fraction of the ability to perceive information through the prism of criticism, no brainwashing can cope with it. And they changed their place of deployment. I come again - and they are not there. Now, if these sectarians on the street ask me: "Do you want to talk about God?" I answer: "What to say about me?" It's so funny to look at their faces at the same time ...

[ivan3211]

People, do you hear yourself? Are you ready to drive people who differ from you in religious grounds, burn their books, put them in jail ... And then what ...? On the thumb ..?
You, who do not have a drop of faith, but who have fastened crosses on their necks, instead of amulets. Who gave you the right to slander those who at least try to save their soul, to fulfill the will of their God?
What sins are committed Witnesses to commit persecution against them, why does the flywheel begin to unwind in Russia ??? Specifically, according to the Christian faith, what sins ???
You. ready to break, not wanting to be like you, do you know WHY did Jesus come ??? Do you know WHAT He teaches ???
You don’t give a damn about it! People like you killed Christ!
The most primitive article .... but not scribble. Besides the negative to the Witnesses, what is it about? What spiritual experience does the author have in order to express opinions on such issues? What does he himself believe in?
Why did he even post an article, and even without having studied publicly available information?

Or is that not true? -
And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that "Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents."
Or is this not true? - The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, whom Mr. Lukin was at that time, went even further, saying:

Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
And one more thing, with regards to children, about whose fate you are so "worried" - look at your own better - how do they grow up and are brought up - on Christian principles and norms? NO! So go and tackle the log in your own eye, jealous of faith .......

[1536]

The Russian person has one faith - Orthodox. Our ancestors gave their lives for it, they built Russia. What are these sectarians building? Otherworldly world? Sit in yourself in a purely personal world, I am a programmer and I can live where I want, where do I get paid more there? And "this" country prevents me from plunging into myself.
Such reasoning is the way to the death of the soul. I repeat the faith of the Russians alone - Orthodox. No one is imposing her, but we will not let her be betrayed. And let these sectarians go to the city of Grozny, campaign, if they have time.

[ivan3211]

Quote: 1536

The faith of the Russian person is one - Orthodox.

Please outline briefly the principles of your Orthodox faith. What do you believe in and what you won’t let betray? And you can find out right away, where do you get knowledge about the truth?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ivan3211

Please outline briefly the principles of your Orthodox faith. What do you believe in and what you won’t let betray? And you can find out right away, where do you get knowledge about the truth?

Che decided to ruin or tell about Jehovah?

[ivan3211]

Flood moderator not by status, sort of?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ivan3211

Flood moderator not by status, sort of?

I received my minus happily. Jehovah, give my regards to Washington

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ivan3211

!! Come inside, flood.

You will not be on the site for long

[1536]

Dear, faith is in a person's soul, and we do not like to open the soul to the first person who comes across it. And then, learn to conduct a discussion, I did not drink to broodershaft with you and did not switch to "you".

[ivan3211]

Quote: 1536

Dear, faith is in a person's soul, and we do not like to open the soul to the first person who comes across it. And then, learn to conduct a discussion, I did not drink to broodershaft with you and did not switch to "you".

Not being able to say "B" - no need to say "A", all the more so in the most serious matter. On what basis should I "pump out" you? What offended you, you?

[1536]

On you turn to strangers. You eat soup with a spoon, not with your hands, I hope? This is just a leading question.

[ivan3211]

From time immemorial, in Russia they turned to you, and even to the rulers! To God and Jesus, in prayers how are they addressed ???
And "you" came from the hated YOU, the West.
I repeat the question, what hurt you, you ???

[encarcelado]

Two hundred years ago someone like you would have said that the faith of a Russian person is the Old Believers. A thousand years ago - what paganism. Change the word "Orthodox" to "Islam" and "Russian" to "Tatar" - you get the same thing. Some kind of cliché, stupid and mindless.

[navigator]

“Two hundred years ago someone like you would say that the faith of a Russian person is the Old Believers. And a thousand years ago it’s paganism. Replace the word“ Orthodox ”with“ Islam ”, and“ Russian people ”with“ Tatar ”- you get the same thing. Some cliché, stupid and mindless. "

Did they teach you how to express yourself at the seminary, or does the Bible teach you to condemn? As for the substitution of words. Words are refuted by words who refute life. Words can be changed, but the content of these words is not. And reading the Holy Scriptures in three languages ​​and three years in the seminary, and you don’t see the difference between Orthodoxy, paganism, Islam. It did not help, it’s sad.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

You, who do not have a drop of faith, but who have fastened crosses on their necks, instead of amulets. Who gave you the right to slander those who at least try to save their soul, to fulfill the will of their God?

And where do you know how many "drops of faith" do we have ?! Personally, I am not opposed to SIs "doing the will of their God", but at the same time I do not want them to try to convert me to their faith. Please answer the question: why do not Catholics, Orthodox Christians, or Protestants stand on the streets, go from house to house, call phones, impose their faith on others ?!

[ivan3211]

Quote: B.T.W.

Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants stand on the streets, do not go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!

Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!
“And Jesus said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you be fishers of men” (Mark 1:17), said Jesus to Simon and Andrew, “to the Apostles.” Many parables told by Jesus, namely about the obligation of a believing person to carry the Good News about what Jesus revealed to them, about himself, about His Father, about the Kingdom of Heaven, which awaits those who love God.
And the fact that the Witnesses are accused of obsession, we are all not without sin .... But why then are you silent about imposed from all sides, outright devilry, love of money and your passions and desires? Where is your indignation?

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!
“And Jesus said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you be fishers of men” (Mark 1:17), said Jesus to Simon and Andrew, “to the Apostles.” Many parables told by Jesus, namely about the obligation of a believing person to carry the Good News about what Jesus revealed to them, about himself, about His Father, about the Kingdom of Heaven, which awaits those who love God.

Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: B.T.W.

Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

Tanya is a sectarian. They constantly tear out what is needed from the Bible and quote. Hello

[B.T.V.]

Hello Sasha! Yes, I understood from the first comment that he was a "representative". I just wondered how long it would last, without references to the Bible.

[ivan3211]

Quote: B.T.W.

Yes, I understood from the first comment that he was a "representative

If you are about the organization "Jehovah's Witnesses" - then I am not a member of it, I was not a member. And yes, I never went to them.

[1536]

So go away! You'll like it. Right

[Independent]

Quote: ivan3211

If you are about the organization "Jehovah's Witnesses" - then I am not a member of it, I was not a member. And yes, I never went to them.

But I read manuals.

[taram taramych]

The definition of "sect", hammer in a search engine and choose the option that suits you.

Quote: Boris55

who decides which prophecies we should know and which not?

The synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.

[ivan3211]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Tanya is a sectarian. They constantly tear out what is needed from the Bible and quote

You'd better fill the head with the Bible ...

[ivan3211]

Quote: B.T.W.

Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

Your question?-

Quote: B.T.W.

Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants stand on the streets, do not go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!

The lamb is simpler and shorter, because the Witnesses try to fulfill the will of God, and those who do not go and do not tell do not fulfill the will of God. Everything is clearly and clearly stated in the Bible — why are you not using this book?

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

because the Witnesses try to fulfill the will of God, and those who do not go and do not tell do not fulfill the will of God

Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.

[ivan3211]

Quote: B.T.W.

Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.

But about the fact that, simply, God is who He is and what He wants from us, Jesus obliges his followers to tell all people according to the will of their Father! All of this is stated in the Bible, and you, as a baptized person, should not be ashamed of this to know .... It should be ....., but it’s not a shame.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

telling all people

And do not impose. Why should I be ashamed of the fact that I do not know the Bible by heart ?! Do you know everything by heart or pull out what is needed from the text and present it as the ultimate truth ?!

[ivan3211]

Quote: B.T.W.

Why should I be ashamed of the fact that I do not know the Bible by heart ?!

For the fact that the Bible is not your authority and not a divinely inspired book! For the fact that you do not even want to know what she is, while calling herself purified - "baptized", and a believer.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

For the fact that the Bible is not your authority and not a divinely inspired book! For the fact that you do not even want to know what she is, while calling herself purified - "baptized", and a believer.

I try, if possible, to treat people the way I would like to be treated, therefore: God grant you health!

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: ivan3211

It should be ....., but it’s not a shame.

I have a feeling - goodbye fool. punched ..

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: B.T.W.

Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.

16.08.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Patriarch Kirill: Liberal press thwarts catechesis at school
Therefore, under President Medvedev had to make a compromise decision - on teaching the foundations of the cultures of religions or secular ethics, said the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2012/08/16/patriarh_rpc_aktiviziruet_s
otrudnichestvo_s_gosudarstvom_v

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ivan3211

Witnesses try to do God's will

In his interpretation of understanding the will of God. They have no such thing as defending their homeland with weapons in their hands. Relight for them is a sinner.
In most countries, this sect is prohibited, but this ban does not prevent sectarians from printing Russian-language booklets in these countries. From my point of view, Jehovah’s are one link in a chain of various combinations whose purpose is the decomposition of the integrity of the mentality of the Russian people.
Pagan views still have a Russian nature, Jehovah's Witnesses - Western.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! AND

But personally, I believe that following the 10 commandments and the golden rule: "in everything, as you want people to do to you, so do you with them", would do much better for most of humanity.

[ivan3211]

Quote: B.T.W.

But personally, I believe that following the 10 commandments and the golden rule: "in everything, as you want people to do to you, so do you with them", would do much better for most of humanity.

And why do not you adhere to these principles?

[B.T.V.]

Quote: ivan3211

And why do not you adhere to these principles?

Are you a psychic ?! Otherwise, how do you know what principles I follow ?!

[ivan3211]

Quote: Boris55

“Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who pronounces His name in vain ”(Exodus 20: 7).

They used to swear in the name of God, Jehovah. In vain means falsely, whining.
Jesus brought two new commandments that are above all - the Lord our God is the one Lord; and love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength - this is the first commandment! The second is like her: love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. Mark 12: 29-31

[Roman Skomorokhov]

Quote: Boris55

I hope that the moderator is not against the quotations from the Bible?

Moderator in shock. Boris, burn more.

[free]

you have problems, do you know?

[voronbel53]

Vanya, you didn’t get there - you don’t have pulp ...

[navigator]

Quote: ivan3211

Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!

Quite right, only by deeds, and not shouting about it at all corners and forums. "Faith without deeds is dead."

[Same lech]

And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that "Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents."

well if only these dissenters are moderate or white and furry terrorists then yes.

[voronbel53]

Vanya, go to bed ...

[navigator]

"And the Canadian office of the Reuters news agency issued a material stating that" Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents. "
Or is this not true? - The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, whom Mr. Lukin was at that time, went even further, saying:

Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
And one more thing, with regards to children, about whose fate you are so "worried" - look at your own better - how do they grow up and are brought up - on Christian principles and norms? NO! So go and tackle the log in your own eye, jealous of faith ....... "

And to you, witness ....... by all means to Canada! And do not lie about the persecution of faith. We are talking about the dominance of prolific totalitarian sects.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ivan3211

What sins are committed Witnesses to commit persecution against them, why does the flywheel begin to unwind in Russia ???

During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the Motherland.

[ivan3211]

Quote: Ingvar 72

During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the Motherland.

Witnesses have a Homeland-New World that will come after Armageddon. And the rulers are Jehovah and Jesus.
It seems like all Christians should be so, if honestly of course ....

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ivan3211

It seems like all Christians should be so, if honestly of course ....

And how will Muslims react to this? They are not followers of the substitution of the other cheek, and they perceive weakness with adequacy. With the ideology of the Jehovahs, armageddon will come for us much earlier. And the hordes of Satan will replace crowds of fanatics under the black banner of jihad. Have not you thought?

[ivan3211]

Quote: Ingvar 72

With the ideology of the Jehovahs, armageddon will come for us much earlier. And the hordes of Satan will replace crowds of fanatics under the black banner of jihad. Have not you thought?

The ideology of Jehovah's followers is to fulfill the will of the Creator of the universe, the creator of man. To fulfill the will of the One Who absolutely everything belongs to which we can only reach our mind! Christ has repeatedly claimed that he does the will of his Father, and does nothing on his own! And they expected from him that he is the Messiah, will lead a rebellion against the Romans, and he allowed himself to be captured, and executed.
Here is an example for any REAL Christian. “Whoever wants to follow Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me” (Mark 8:34). “This is what the Bible teaches.”
And you are all about worldly things, but worldly things. And do you know how the Bible ends? What will the Lord do to the earth? Do not be lazy, read the last book of Revelation.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ivan3211

And you are all about worldly things, but worldly things.

Well, yes, I still have to live and need to raise children.
Trust in God, but do not make a mistake yourself. But this is done with those who have chosen the path of "non-resistance to evil by violence."

[DenZ]

Quote: Ingvar 72

During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the Motherland.

Alas, not everything is so simple. Especially about betrayal. A person is a sincere believer - for him, first of all, God's deeds matter. The concept of "Motherland" is not in his first place. Because the Witnesses refused to take weapons as traitors, they cannot be considered. The Germans then drove them to concentration camps (a purple patch is a distinctive sign of Jehovah's Witnesses in German concentration camps) .From the point of view of a patriotic person, they can be called, at most, a little sick, but not traitors.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: DenZ

The concept of "Motherland" is not in his first place.

This is the true goal of people who allocate huge sums of money to expensive printing products, which Jehovahists give out without stint.

[navigator]

Quote: DenZ

A person is a sincere believer - for him, first of all, God's deeds matter. The concept of "Motherland" is not in his first place.

Why are you talking about sincere believers?
"Forgive your enemies, crush the enemies of the Fatherland, despise the enemies of God" St. Philaret of Moscow

Defend the homeland holy.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Ingvar 72

During the Second World War, they refused to take up arms, with the motto "non-resistance to evil by violence." And this is a direct betrayal of the Motherland.

The hierarchs of the old, still tsarist, Orthodox Church openly supported the Nazis.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Uncle Joe

The hierarchs of the old, still tsarist, Orthodox Church openly supported the Nazis.

Like some generals of the Soviet army. But in these cases, the betrayal was committed by individuals, not by all.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Like some generals of the Soviet army. But in these cases, the betrayal was committed by individuals and not by all

Exactly.

While support for Hitler was the official policy of the ROCOR. And this is not at all the same as refusal to serve, albeit for "crooked", but still ideological reasons (ROCOR collaborated with the Nazis, but the Jehovists did not)

By the way:

16.06.2009/68/XNUMX On the eve of the XNUMXth anniversary of the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union, a discussion began in the Russian media about the significance of the Great Patriotic War from the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). The reason was the statement of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill that the war was God's punishment for the crimes of the Bolsheviks against the Church.

For the first time, the Patriarch expressed the idea that the war was a punishment for the apostasy of the people on May 6, on the eve of Victory Day.
http://www.ng.ru/editorial/2009-06-16/2_red.html

[a housewife]

Very sorry for the minus, Ingvar, by accident. in fact, I agree with you here. Just in despair - as people discuss a topic unknown to them. I don’t know about weapons, I keep quiet, I just read - a lot is interesting. And about faith - namely, the discussion of the deaf with the blind, except for some who understand. Only one thing about "witnesses" - they are false witnesses, and they are already guilty of the fact that the name of God - Jehovah - is diligently turned into a laughing stock, they will be asked for this, not to mention lies, ruined lives, separation of families and taking property from their naive members By the way, neither Jesus himself nor the apostles ever forcibly climbed into anyone with sermons, on the contrary, they went for them, invited them to their place. Jesus even healed not everyone in a row, but those who asked Him.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: housewife

I really apologize for the minus, Ingvar

It's okay, rating is not the main thing. In fact, I agree with you.

[a housewife]

Very sorry for the minus, Ingvar, by accident. in fact, I agree with you here. Just in despair - as people discuss a topic unknown to them. I don’t know about weapons, I keep quiet, I just read - a lot is interesting. And about faith - namely, the discussion of the deaf with the blind, except for some who understand. Only one thing about "witnesses" - they are false witnesses, and they are already guilty of the fact that the name of God - Jehovah - is diligently turned into a laughing stock, they will be asked for this, not to mention lies, ruined lives, separation of families and taking property from their naive members By the way, neither Jesus himself nor the apostles ever forcibly climbed into anyone with sermons, on the contrary, they went for them, invited them to their place. Jesus even healed not everyone in a row, but those who asked Him.

[Independent]

Quote: ivan3211

You who have not a drop of faith

Yes, it somehow happened that we do not have a drop of your faith, but we have our own. And what right you have to impose yours on us and to blame our faith and our beliefs, citing as an example the opinion of the Canadian representation of the news agency.

Quote: ivan3211

Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
And one more thing, with regards to children, about whose fate you are so "worried" - look at your own better - how do they grow up and are brought up - on Christian principles and norms? NO! So go and tackle the log in your own eye, jealous of faith ..

Well, how can one not insert Soviet practice. Well, how can one not point out the log in his eye. But nothing that we do not want you to cripple the souls of our children? You earn money on this according to manuals, for example, from Canada. But we live in Russia and already, as in the 90s, we don’t want to believe in what. Gentlemen of sectarians, until you become a danger to society, nobody touches you. And your howl, which you raised from reading the article, speaks of repeated pinching of the tail. Because, like your NGOs, the people are already across the throat. And do not confuse cutlets with flies. Denominations in Russia operate. Everyone believes what he wants. For example, no one forbids Islam. But radical Islam is illegal. So how do you differ from radical Islamists? With oil voices. We are, like, not a sect, we are an organization. There are, of course, fools who still believe you. Yes, I would like to ask you. And why are all the head offices of all sects located in the west, in America, Canada? Nestykovochka, gentlemen, champions of freedom. Whose freedom are degenerates and sellers fighting for?

[ivan3211]

For half an hour I have been trying to answer, but it only gives out - "The message contains text that is not acceptable for publication" - what does this mean? By itself, he wrote everything decorously and nobly, but .............
And so, if you read my comments to the article, and do not speculate, like "between the lines" - then all your questions, there are answers.
And I’m curious right now, but what are you independent from ???

[Born in USSR]

And where our Church is looking. Frozen in greatness. It is their business to fight sects. They anathematized a couple of human rights activists of sectarians and everything will be clear right away, and so should Muslims. This infection must be burned immediately and forever. Need propaganda from them. And deeds and words are just words. Need a deal. And the impression is that the Russian Orthodox Church is a commercial organization.

[ivan3211]

Quote: Born in the USSR

And where our Church is looking.

And where is your church looking, full of information on the internet. You can, for example, read Kuraev’s blog ... Or just open your eyes wider and look around ...)

[EFA]

Our church is no better. I am a believer, I go to church - rarely, but I go. This is me for understanding is simple.
So.
We were at Easter in 2014 in Sergiev Posad and what did I see there? Here are two examples:

1. The wife decided to buy a silver bracelet, stands at the counter (in a church shop, although as for me it's more a boutique) chooses thoroughly, because it's expensive - horror. And the dialogue means it is with the "seller", but you have one, but show this one, and let that one look. After about five minutes, the "seller" declares not at all humbly, "Well, will you take it or not !?", The wife reasonably states to her from such a surprise: "I want to spend money for the product, and I want to consider it, I am a buyer and have that's right, I want to buy, and you sell - what's the problem. " The answer even surprised me: “You don’t buy - you donate”. Among other things, the "boutique" found portraits of Kirill worth 127 rubles, and a portrait of Putin, though for 000 rubles. What is the difference, I still do not understand, because the size and design are the same.

2. After this incident, we went for a walk around the complex. And so it must happen, someone came there, a church dignitary, it looks like Kiryusha himself came, but there were a lot of people, entry into the territory is prohibited, but for “their own” it is not a problem, even officials would envy such dispersal of believers in front of an armored Mercedes ... Without ceremony, even with obscenities.

Since then he has sworn to go to large churches. I’ll be better as before, in my little village walk, where I was baptized.

Returning to the topic of your post, "Where the church is looking." Yes, she does not need this, until they squeeze out the business and do not put competition - you can not notice.

Unfortunately.

[navigator]

"And where our Church is looking. Frozen in greatness. It is their business to fight sects. A couple of sectarian human rights activists have been anathematized and everything will be clear right away, so should the Muslims do the same. This infection must be burned up immediately and forever. Propogation is needed from them." And deeds and words are just words. You need deeds. And the impression is that the ROC is a commercial organization. "

The church did not freeze in greatness, and clarifies the essence of these sects and fights with them. It does not burn, as you suggest, it does not shoot sectarians from AK. It differs from sects in that it does not impose, but calls. Propaganda is a method of sects that and there are commercial organizations, it’s known who financed them. And to see this, you just have to go to church regularly.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: navigator

.And to see this, you just need to go to church regularly.

So this is the problem, because in large cities the church has turned into a closed joint-stock company, in which commercial and commercial activities have come to the fore.
We have already argued about the need for the observance of Christian canons by clergy. Otherwise, they simply do not have the right to carry the word of God.
P.S. You didn’t answer last time - what do Diomede disagree with?

[navigator]

"So this is the problem, because in large cities the church has turned into a joint-stock company, in which trade and commercial activities have come to the fore.
We have already argued with you about the need for clergy to observe Christian canons. Otherwise, they simply have no right to carry the word of God. "

Who argues, the question is in the correctness of the assessment. I also read about ballet and I look at the ballerinas and say: “you are dancing wrong, and your figure is not the same as it should be, you should not dance like that.” You are confusing God's gift with scrambled eggs, demanding from priests do not travel by transport, do not take money for anything, eat air, because ..... you interpret the Orthodox canons this way. And disputes are a thankless business, truth is not born in them. Slogans "the church has turned into a company trade and commercial activity came to the fore "already set the teeth on edge.


"PS You didn’t answer the last time - what did Diomedes disagree with?"

And I’m not going to, the topic is too complicated for you, you still won’t understand, since you still haven’t understood it, you are a worldly person. I already explained this to you, but you didn’t understand. And you can troll as much as you like, it doesn’t affect me. in opinions, Ingvar72. therefore, do not get me anymore, please.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: navigator

demanding that the clergy not to go to the tarnsport, not to take money for anything, to eat air,

Close this did not require. He demanded compliance with Christian canons and spoke about the inadmissibility of tariffs for church services. It is services, not church goods, such as icons, candles, crosses.

Quote: navigator

.And you can troll as much as you like, it doesn’t affect me

This is not trolling, it is an attempt to answer the cornerstone question. If you do not want to answer, say so.
P.S. When answering, highlight a part of the text and click quote, so the opponent’s quotes will be separated and with a signature.

[navigator]

"PS When answering, select part of the text and press quote, so the opponent's quotes will be separated and signed."

Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: navigator

Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

First press - answer. Then, having selected a fragment, press - to quote. And if at once - to quote, then yes, at the end of the branch.

[navigator]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: navigator

Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

First press - answer. Then, having selected a fragment, press - to quote. And if at once - to quote, then yes, at the end of the branch.

Thank you very much.

[navigator]

Answered, but moderators: "error: no perms"

[navigator]

Answered, but moderators: "error: no perms"

[morozik]

A holy place is never empty, there is no God in the soul, Satan will sit down

[cniza]

The author spoke about the fact that many people know and have encountered this manifestation of obscurantism, but what to do? how to resist and who should do this?
How did it cross the border, since it was published in Spain, and therefore not banned in Russia, this is, if I may say so, "literature", etc. First the law, then its implementation and control over its implementation. If you continue to tolerate such actions, and most of all the SI in the United States, they will act more arrogantly and their goal is the collapse of Russia.

[Neophyte]

Judging by some comments, pathetic Jehovists or some other
sectarians. Guys, in the courtyard of the 21st century, and you still believe in Kuzyu and American gods!

[ivan3211]

Quote: Neophyte

Guys, in the courtyard of the 21st century,

And who do you believe in, wooden man? )

[Army soldier2]

Ivan3211
Ivan, why are you so nervous? If you want to be a witness Jehovah - be. Others should not be invited to join the sect. There is such an interesting brochure - "Religious sectarianism in Russia". Read it. There, apparently, it is written about you.
Incidentally, when they come up to these adherents, I do not refuse attention. Maybe I’m not lucky, but some stupid and uneducated people come across. You start to ask them questions, they are not that answer, they can not understand the question.
And to conduct their activities with US money is bad manners.
I happened to serve in the mid-90s in the same garrison. The Turks used the FRG money to build houses for the military. One officer's wife was a Jehovah's Witness activist and preached everything. The dismissed ensign was in charge of them (apparently, he decided to pursue a career in a new field). When the time came to distribute apartments, the divisional commander, without slyly, deleted them from the lists and wrote a resolution: "Don't give an apartment, wife is a woman." And where did everything go. They immediately betrayed their sectarian ideas and calmed down. I think their sect collapsed after that.
That is the faith.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Army 2

. You start to ask them questions, they are not that answer, they can not understand the question.

After such a failure, an older jehovahist came to me after such a failure. They chatted an hour with him, and after that they did not foot to me!

[Neophyte]

In general, Jehovah's women are very stubborn, they burst into all the cracks! Such an individual comes up and asks a question, and I like her, I believe in Give God or something else. The individual immediately disappears interest, and with the formation of these preachers "true faith "not everything is fine!

[ivan3211]

Quote: Neophyte

In general, Jehovah's women are very stubborn, they burst into all the cracks! Such an individual comes up and asks a question, and I like her, I believe in Give God or something else. The individual immediately disappears interest, and with the formation of these preachers "true faith "not everything is fine!

Who do you believe in, wooden head ??? The dad Carlo and the ax?

[Baloo]

About 5 years ago, I drove off two of these from our entrance for the third time, threatening to turn me over to the police. Last week, a letter was planted in the mailbox inviting me to pray and regret that we had not found it at home. Subscriber box number left. Either 84, or 86. Now I read the discussion and thought that I had thrown the letter in vain, I had to send it to the FSB.

[vladnn2015]

Quote: Mahmut

man go to yug!

And they must be sent to distant lands! Nothing but trouble will happen to them (SI)! And in general, it is not clear why they will not be banned at the legislative level? Why do not the media, schools, institutes explain the harmfulness of communicating with such "witnesses", do they not explain what to do if such a "preacher" has addressed you?

[DenZ]

Books, by the way, Jehovah's Witnesses. In general, pretty harmless guys, in fact. I went to them for a while, but then after appeals generally reminiscent of the action of "soft power" to officially join their ranks, I left their meeting. They do not teach anything bad, this is a fact, but at the same time (attention) - they scold the ROC (partly in the case, partly not) They call to preach at home - that is, you, an adult man, when you come home from work, do not devote time to your family but wandering around other people's huts with sermons, while every other time you are sent. In general, and in general, a person is excluded from the social sphere of the society where he lives (after some time of membership in the sect), otherwise he can be quite happy. And yet, no army! In no case! We sit at home humbly (in case of war), waiting for what will happen to us. Tfu, disgusting.

[navigator]

"The books, by the way, are Jehovah's Witnesses. In general, they are quite harmless guys, in fact. I went to them for a while, But then, after appeals generally resembling the action of" soft power "to officially join their ranks, I left their congregation. they don't have anything bad, it's a fact, but at the same time (attention) - they scold the ROC (partly in the case, partly not) "

Not all of these harmless guys were so harmless. There were real stories about donating apartments to neopoly sects for free, there were children who got into a sect, renounced their parents, etc. And all this was accompanied by songs about Jehovah God and Jesus Christ.

[ivan3211]

Can facts be?

[navigator]

Quote: ivan3211

Can facts be?

Names, surnames, age, gender, cost of apartments?

Murmansk, mid-90s. All local newspapers wrote more than once these facts. That's all, do not torment anymore. You, like all the witnesses, are extremely annoying, the whole branch is already full of ivan3211 comments.

[ivan3211]

Quote: DenZ

We are waiting for what will happen to us. Ugh, disgusting.

Sincerely believing in God KNOW 100% what will happen to them !!! The Lord does not make any secret of it. Nor does it make secrets of what will happen to those who reject the authority of their Creator, having accepted the authority of Satan. But who wants to know ???
Not about you, whether they rushed to bite at the mention of the name of God, Jesus said: “hear with your hearing, and you will not understand, and you will look with your eyes and you will not see,”
for the heart of these people has become coarse and they can hardly hear with their ears, and their eyes have closed, so that they will not see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and they will not understand with their hearts, and may they not turn, that I may heal them.

[Dinko]

A sect of Jehovah’s Witnesses, created in the New York region of Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century with a disruptive purpose against the Soviet Union. This sect is a cover for CIA agents in our country! It was also distinguished by the fact that its participants placed radio beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

[ivan3211]

Quote: Dinko

! She was also distinguished by the fact that its participants deployed beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

Liar

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dinko

A sect of Jehovah's Witnesses, established in the New York City area of ​​Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century

Early. In 1931 they changed their name, before that they were called Bible students. 70% of women are members.

[DenZ]

Quote: Dinko

A sect of Jehovah’s Witnesses, created in the New York region of Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century with a disruptive purpose against the Soviet Union. This sect is a cover for CIA agents in our country! It was also distinguished by the fact that its participants placed radio beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

I don’t know about the DPR, but during the years of the Second World War, witnesses were very actively destroyed by the Germans. This is not in defense of witnesses, but as a note. I think it is completely clear to everyone that it is not a question of who is the witness, but who is not, but of the feelings of conscience and duty of each individual person.

[ivan3211]

Quote: DenZ

I think it is completely clear to everyone that it is not a question of who is the witness, but who is not, but of the feelings of conscience and duty of each individual person.

It should be so, but as we see from the foregoing, almost all commentators-it is not clear to anyone except you .... Scary.

[Alexey RA]

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He needed a lawless and shaking hands Feigin to be a lawyer - then he would have definitely given 10 years.

[Mercury]

A bit of history. The disciples of Christ created the church and organized it for the first centuries. At the same time, dissenters who violated the truth and accepted by the apostles began to appear. To fight against such dreamers, their cathedrals were convened. There were about 10 of them. All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ and we have almost everything since in those years. And the Catholics do not deny this. The Armenian church began to think in its own way and separated from the church in the first half of that millennium. The Catholics declared their pope sinless in 1050 and introduced other reforms and separated from the Orthodox Church and then the Protestants rejected them and continued to break away. The Catholics, seeing the integrity of our church, tried to seize the lands of the Orthodox by force, remember the crusade against Constantinople and the attacks of the Swedes and Germans at the beginning of the millennium, then the Commonwealth unrest in Russia and so on were all Catholics. Then, 300 years ago, their misconceptions introduced them into a confrontation and began to appear the doctrine that there is no God at all. That we are monkey mutants and that all we do is bestial instincts. People were tempted by this heresy because now it was possible to do everything and to fornicate and get drunk because there is no God like that. The Protestant British adopted it and developed this Then fight France and Germany. So it became common in Europe to deny the existence of God. And it doesn’t matter what kind of tale the zombies load. Now they load that we need to look for the roots that we are great Ukrainians or Russians and that we flew from Sirius. It's all well organized and I have no doubt that paid by the Angosecs in the same way as Germany organized the loading of the communist Windows into the minds of Russian on But people have not completely fallen into heresy and are confronted with the power of the Lord or notice the action of the devils and begin to search for God, and here the devils need the person not to come to the truth, and false Christianity or Christianity mixed with Christianity is used. The sects are those networks in which people seeking salvation will complain. Attacks on the church itself such as a priest knocked down a pedestrian and so on. as well as the great exposers of the Orthodox yoke over the immaculate Rusich. All this is an attack on the RUSSIAN STATE. ALL THIS IS WAR AGAINST TRUTH

[ivan3211]

Quote: Mercury

All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ, and we have practically everything since in those years.

Complete nonsense and uncovered lie !!!

[Mercury]

I, of course, in my own words, but the essence is correct. Read about "ecumenical councils" "
The Orthodox Church never broke away from anyone and is the guardian of the true faith, all the rules and canons are the same as in the first centuries.
My advice is to read historical documents and not marmont brachures.

[nikpwolf]

Quote: Mercury

My advice is to read historical documents and not marmont brachures.

Honestly, I didn't want to comment, but ... I'm just wondering how one brochure differs from another? I constantly read VO materials and comments (often they are of interest) and I have a firm opinion that the people here are adequate, used to think, compare and draw conclusions on their own. But it looks like not this time. After all, everything is simple - you believe in God, then you believe His Word. Why read books about God and not read the book of God himself? Why has this topic turned into a hollow exchange of ingrained cliches and a labeling competition? Why not turn to the primary source and draw conclusions based on it, reasonably. Everything is written there. There are answers to all questions. And what will be the difference of "that" you faith or not? Why is it necessary to take for the truth research and even a thousand times respected scholars and clergymen and not study the truth itself?

Quote: Mercury

All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ, and we have practically everything since in those years.

We read the Acts of the Apostles, their epistles to different churches, compare with what we have, draw conclusions. And you don’t need to write all this. Sects are undoubted evil. But the root of evil lies in ignorance of God and unwillingness to know Him. Something like this.

[Kahlan amnell]

Quote: Mercury

The Catholics in 1050 declared their dad sinless and introduced other reforms and separated from the Orthodox Church and then the Protestants abandoned them and continued to break away.

Dear Dmitry, let's still be accurate. Turn to the sources:
"The infallibility (more precisely, the infallibility) of the Pope (Latin Infallibilitas -" inability to err ") is a dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, asserting that when the Pope defines the doctrine of the Church concerning faith or morality, proclaiming it ex cathedra (that is, according to the teaching RCC, as the head of the Church), he has infallibility (infallibility) and is protected from the very possibility of delusion.
According to this dogma, the doctrine of “the pope’s infallibility is a gift of the Holy Spirit given to the pope as successor to the apostle Peter by virtue of apostolic succession, and not because of his personal qualities (like any other Christian, the pope is not protected from committing sins and needs repentance and confession). ”
Not to be confused:
a) the sinlessness (impeccabilitas) of God, who cannot sin by nature, and the infallibility of the saved, who can no longer sin because of the separation of the soul from the body, and also because of deification.
b) the infallibility or infallibility of the solemn Teaching of the Holy Church.
According to the Catholic faith, in the Church the “double subject” (see Libero Geroz, Peter Erde) of the highest authority is the College of Bishops and the pope as the head of the College (CIC can. 336). The Ecumenical Council is the institutional expression of this authority in a solemn form (CIC, can. 337, § 1).
The dogma is officially proclaimed in the dogmatic constitution of Pastor Aeternus July 18, 1870 along with the establishment of the "ordinary and immediate" power of the jurisdiction of the pontiff in the universal Church. The dogmatic constitution defines the conditions - the utterance ex cathedra, not private teaching, and the scope - judgments about faith and morality arising from the interpretation of Divine Revelation. "
Here it is "Roman law".

[foxic]

Advanced people gathered ... can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: foxic

can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....

What fragments have led you to this idea?

[foxic]

The very beginning, the creation of planets, people, attitude to characters ....

[navigator]

Quote: foxic

Advanced people gathered ... can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....

They are no different. You can also be called foxic or mister foxic. This does not mean that you are two. The lord-mister in modern language.

[foxic]

Briefly in the text .....
The sixth day - God hands the man and his wife the planet at full disposal, without any additional conditions, and leaves for the day off .....
Later the Lord God appears
(... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)
creates a person from materials at hand and instructs him to monitor the cottage, respectively, conditions are stipulated.
Further, problems begin with the reproduction of labor and they clone his wife ....
and not the fact that it was on the same planet .....

[navigator]

Quote: foxic

(... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)

I do not understand your comment, what bothers you, foxic? Mr. foxic, have I promoted you?

Quote: foxic

Briefly in the text .....
The sixth day - God hands the man and his wife the planet at full disposal, without any additional conditions, and leaves for the day off .....
Later the Lord God appears
(... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)
creates a person from materials at hand and instructs him to monitor the cottage, respectively, conditions are stipulated.
Further, problems begin with the reproduction of labor and they clone his wife ....
and not the fact that it was on the same planet .....

It seems to answer me, and write what was not discussed.

[foxic]

The question is:
is it the same God creates the same person ????
.... or are they different gods? .... create different people?
.... on different planets ?? (the text three times appears phrase about the creation of heaven and earth ...)

[navigator]

Quote: foxic

The question is:
is it the same God creates the same person ????
.... or are they different gods? .... create different people?
.... on different planets ?? (the text three times appears phrase about the creation of heaven and earth ...)

This is one God. First, it is listed what God did in the days of creation, then it is painted in detail. Some phrases are not repeated three times. What bothers you?

[foxic]

Is heaven and earth created on the first day or on the second? or on the second day, what was created on the first was redone ??

The man and his wife were given all the land for possession or is the man only an employee on the reservation ??

Why does the supreme lord need additional titles (Sir) ??
God does not engage in narcissism and he does not need to increase his power before anyone, it is infinite.
This behavior is more suitable for the local craftsman ....

[navigator]

Quote: foxic

Is heaven and earth created on the first day or on the second? or on the second day, what was created on the first was redone ??

The man and his wife were given all the land for possession or is the man only an employee on the reservation ??

Why does the supreme lord need additional titles (Sir) ??
God does not engage in narcissism and he does not need to increase his power before anyone, it is infinite.
This behavior is more suitable for the local craftsman ....

No comment, Mr. foxic. I thought you were asking questions, and you, it turns out, are commenting on the book of Genesis.

[foxic]

Yes, that’s right, I’m reading a book and what I’ve read doesn’t agree with what they preach to me ....

[Uncle Joe]

The author, and you do not replace the concept, and do not use double standards for an hour in the best Jesuit traditions?

to protect the activities of sects

Sect - (from lat. Secta - doctrine - direction, school), religious group, community, breakaway from the dominant church.

All world religions, now recognized in the Russian Federation as part of the historical heritage, were originally sects, some of which were once banned because they considered then their destructive nature (for example, Christianity in Rome)

The radical method of "healing"

Metropolitan Daniel told doctors that the cause of all illnesses is sin.
http://www.dvinainform.ru/society/2015/10/23/37590.html

And the "doctors" who talk about this kind of "recovery" ("recovery" by falling into the next world)

And just as Moses offered the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3: 14,15)

How can this one-time session affect the further formation of the girl’s psyche?

27.03.2013/15/XNUMX Parents of students from secondary school No. XNUMX of Miass (Chelyabinsk Region) filed a civil lawsuit, demanding that the right to choose be studied in their curriculum: to study the children’s Orthodox culture, the history of all religions or prefer secular ethics.
Meanwhile, the mothers of schoolchildren tell reporters monstrous things: children are forced to kiss the hands of adult men, teachers walk around the school with bells and say that in this way they cast out demons, some schoolchildren, in case of bad behavior, declare that "they have a black soul that must be brought to god ". The school also conducts a census of children who have not been baptized into Orthodoxy - their parents are obliged to conduct a religious ceremony and report their performance to the director of the school, Elena Cheshuina. According to the parents, it is the director who is actively involved in religious propaganda at school # 15, since he is a fanatically religious person.
http://www.city-n.ru/?module=show&id=322348

began to actively distribute materials recognized by experts as extremist

October 14, 2015 Putin proposed to ban attributing quotes from the Bible and the Koran to extremism (why would there be something to relate?)
http://www.interfax.ru/russia/473437

[Belousov]

I can't understand one thing - why not completely ban all these NGOs? After all, the percentage of those who really benefit is monstrously small! And the wagon and rather big cart are harmful. And all those who "mourn" over NPOs and screaming about persecution should be reminded that in the US, NPOs are also banned and that no one there yells about this. We must beat the enemy with his own weapon.

[Mercury]

it is necessary to forbid anything and make martyrs of them a good story and trumpet about it so that they knew the truth from youth. Then no one wakes up to believe all the marmons there who say the wake awakens in the United States.

[Kargana]

Quote: Uncle Joe

All world religions, now recognized in the Russian Federation as part of the historical heritage, were originally sects, some of which were once banned because they considered then their destructive nature (for example, Christianity in Rome)

World religions do not forbid their followers to communicate with other believers. In sects, this is, to put it mildly, not recommended. Spending time with people outside the "church" is generally not recommended. It is recommended to "preach" among relatives and friends. Preaching on the streets is interpreted as imitation of Christ's disciples and is a duty, for non-performance of which follows "debriefing". And the "parishioners" are trying to load as much as possible with "internal church" activities, ideally so that every day is busy.
And yes, I was in a sect. And I have a rich experience of communication not only with the followers of one "Protestant church" but also with several others.

[Uncle Joe]

Quote: Kargana

Spending time with people who are not in the "church" is generally not recommended. It is recommended to "preach" among relatives and friends. Preaching on the streets is interpreted as imitation of Christ's disciples and is a duty, for non-fulfillment of which follows "debriefing"

You have a contradiction between "it is not recommended to spend time with people who are not in church. It is recommended to preach among relatives and friends", and "preaching on the streets is a duty."

And yes, I was in a sect. And I have a rich experience of communication not only with the followers of one "Protestant church" but also with several others.

I sympathize

Well, and how - sects work for the State Department, as the author of this epic claims, or not?

[Vladimir Vasilich]

I know the problem firsthand. She also touched my family, or rather my close relatives. The niece has been with the Jehovah's Witnesses for over 25 years, and during this time the family fell apart. Unexpectedly, in 2011, she urgently left her home in Ukraine and appeared in Russia, in the Urals, and is still in the same "field" as a preacher of "Jehovah's Witnesses". Judging by the "material" situation, he does not live in poverty, although he is limited to odd jobs.

[Baloo]

Many years ago, these sectarians dragged my patient from the ward. The senior colleague did not operate very well, so they took this schizophrenic madam directly from the ward on crutches, and it is still not noticeable. The husband arrived, barely found her with the police.

[Karabin]

NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?

The activities of NGOs in this direction, children's games against the activities of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, which quietly, without fanfare in the media, in 2015 adopted a law on sects. Now any crook can register without any problems even the "sect of Putin's witnesses", even the "immaculate Ksenia Sobchak". If someone interferes with their activities, he will break the law. So the street distribution of literature, lectures, seminars, everything is legal. And if the activity is violent or extremist, then this still needs to be proved. And what prevents one closed sect from reopening 10? By the way, the Zealous Keeper of Spiritual Clamps signed this law without reservations.

[lubesky]

I respect Volodin, I enjoy reading his articles. But with this article he certainly went too far. We are fighting here and cannot decide which of us is a Stalinist, who is a liberal, and who is a communist. And Mr. Volodin touched on such a complex topic, well, in general, the guard. To discuss the currents of Christianity, you need to understand this. It is necessary at the scientific level to know a clear definition of what is a sect? In Russia, we do not have a specialized institute that once and for all has determined - this is a sect, but this is not. Therefore, after the 70th anniversary of atheism, we have only a rudiment of understanding in this matter, the sect, they say, is everything that is not the ROC, a mosque or other recognized confession. I will not describe here in detail and define what a sect is, I will formulate it briefly and succinctly, very clearly. The sect (a sector separated from a single whole) has a negative connotation in Russia with an easy presentation by the media (not very well versed in theology and religion as such), with a weighty authoritative unconditional opinion of the ROC and the sad experience of the dashing 90s, where such trends as "Aum -sinreke "or" white brothers "(banned in Russia and many countries) carried out, frankly, dubious activities. In fact, there is a definition of the DANGER of a religious or social movement. So, according to this definition, these "sects" include trends that, in their actions, have the following main types that pose a threat to society and society itself:
- explicit antisocial directions (abduction, retention in the community, coercion to change lifestyle, social circle), where the main fact is the obvious violent (including psychological pressure, blackmail) removal of the newly believer from society, the termination of any connections and contacts with his will society, except for a specific community (brothers and sisters)
- extremist orientation of the organization
- suspicious structuredness and unquestioning discipline (military system), managerial system that receives a fixed monthly content (banal salary), according to vocation (positions in the organization hierarchy)
- the goals of the organization, contrary to the laws of a particular country, as well as threatening the prevailing society or statehood, the state system of a particular country.
In general, these are the main factors that tell a citizen about the doubtfulness of this organization. As we can see, for a number of factors, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are related to these organizations. But many of the titular churches of many states have these factors, but historically, the legitimacy of these organizations frees them from suspicion.
Maybe Volodin meant that it was time to start this difficult work - to separate the grains from the chaff, maybe it was time to determine what was harmful to society from the currents (it was up to society to decide), and which was useful. Maybe Mr. Volodin wanted to hint that it’s time to check where these legs grow from these organizations? Well then, let's get started. But first you need to recognize that around the world, Protestant missions carry more good and help to those in need than many international organizations with a huge budget. If Mr. Volodin wanted to start about this, then the beginning is extremely unsuccessful ...

[Your friend]

- suspicious structuredness and unquestioning discipline (military system), managerial system that receives a fixed monthly content (banal salary), according to vocation (positions in the organization hierarchy)

Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

[lubesky]

Quote: Your friend

Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

Not familiar with this organization, with its teachings, you can use available sources to determine.

[Your friend]

Quote: lubesky

Quote: Your friend

Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

Not familiar with this organization, with its teachings, you can use available sources to determine.

This is the Order of the Jesuits. By your definition, this is a sect. According to these definitions, anyone can be recorded in sects. After all, as someone here said, Christians were once a sect.

[lubesky]

Quote: Your friend

This is the Order of the Jesuits. By your definition, this is a sect. According to these definitions, anyone can be recorded in sects. After all, as someone here said, Christians were once a sect.

But I did not determine, I only gave definitions, the totality of these or several factors is an occasion for reflection. Everyone decides for himself.

Quote: lubesky

But many of the titular churches of many states have these factors, but historically, the legitimacy of these organizations frees them from suspicion.

As you can see, I myself have said that many organizations fall within the definitions ...
And you directly broke my comments into quotes, can you express your own thoughts, how can I tear my phrases out of context everywhere? Another thing, of course, is that opinions need to be argued and have knowledge ...

[a housewife]

In general, a Christian church can be considered an association of believers who recognize the Holy Trinity as the One God - the head of the Church, the Bible - a holy book, a source of Christian knowledge, who believe in salvation through faith and repentance. Everything else is sects. The "Witnesses" do not consider themselves to be Christians either, because Christ is not considered God, and the Bible is secondary to them, their main thing is their literature. Therefore, the main point is not the Bible, but their "holy" leader. Calling everyone a Baptist is nonsense. Besides, the word baptist only means baptized. The baptismal in the Orthodox Church is called differently baptistery. The Orthodox Church is catholic, the same as the Catholic, that is, the cathedral. Pentecostals - very much respect the feast of Pentecost, that is, the Trinity. Among themselves, all these churches came up with differences that are completely insignificant for God, and each is proud that it is more correct than others. Satan is glad. Believers are at war with each other, not with him! Paul was right - they all turned aside, there is not one righteous one! And have pity on the poor grandmothers who stick to the passers-by. People do not come to sects from a good life. They are like newcomers and are allowed into the streets, they say, show diligence!

[Your friend]

And I didn’t determine, I only gave definitions

Well, it’s quite logical (((

[Mentat]

Quote: Oper6300

Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
You can minus until you turn blue.

SI is an international corporation for the milking of naive citizens, do not advertise it here. If you want to devote yourself to faith - there is a choice among the directions of Christianity, all three branches are represented; in our country there are sane Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus.

[Yugra]

I have the combination of nco causing vomiting reflexes. Dear GDP, free Russia from this infection already ...

[Mentat]

Quote: navigator

Quote: encarcelado

Three sentences, three factual errors. 1. "A sect is a religious group, a community that has broken away from the ruling church. In a figurative sense, a group of individuals who are closed in their narrow interests." Protestantism is one of the dominant trends in Christianity. There are over a billion of them. There are a little less than three hundred thousand Orthodox Christians. 2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians. 3. I don't represent any sect. I was just studying religious studies.

with your baggage, you must know that the sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.

[navigator]

Quote: Mentat

In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.

I disagree with you. A sectarian, by definition, rejected in whole or in part the true doctrine of the Church, in other words, a heretic. Heresy (Greek hairesis) "selection" is not just a mistake or delusion that a person falls into because of ignorance or incorrect withdrawal. Heresy is a deliberate and stubborn distortion of dogmas. I believe this, I disagree with this, etc. Therefore, it has a negative context. What connotation can the word "offender", breaking the law, be positive?

[Lunic]

Quote: Mentat

However, there are (albeit not much), in fact, NGOs disguised as such churches, to our great regret. For example, the "church" of Alexei Ledyaev in Riga, which took part in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.

I'm sorry, I’ll correct you: Alexei Ledyaev used to have a church (15-17 years ago) very popular among Pentecostals.
He regularly came to us in the United States on "tours" of churches and meetings. A very charismatic leader ... was. I was at one of his visits - "service" (since all my wife's relatives are Pentecostals). Honestly, I even wanted to go out to the stage and repent after his (Ledyaevsky) service ... And then he turned the topic to donations .. Like who and how much SHOULD donate ... He gave examples of how Mercedes was "donated" to him in Latvia .. .. An apartment ...
Then he began to talk about how poorly believers live in Latvia ... Well, here I could no longer listen and left. The most interesting thing is that the wife's relatives did not notice anything so bad.
In the early 2000s, Ledyaev showed his insides: he abandoned the flock and began to engage in media projects (look at his opera "Bartimaeus" on the trumpet), or, simply put, a show on Christian themes. a man preaches as best he can .. and then suddenly it turns out that the dance group in his show consists of gay. Then it turns out that donations not all for some reason reach the declared churches ..
In general, Pentecostals have turned away from him now ...

[Lunic]

IMHO: article from the section: "If not with us, then against us"
Personally, in detail, very often and for a long time I communicated and continue to communicate with Baptists, Pentecostals, and Jehovah's Witnesses.
(friends, relatives, acquaintances like most Russian speakers in the USA). Probably because there’s no one else to chat with in Russian.
I will not say who is right and whose faith will lead to salvation- Every sandpiper praises its swamp.
I will say one thing: if a person is of a different faith, this does not mean that he is a foreign agent. They just do not believe the government here and are suspicious of representatives of a different faith ..

PySy: And here, too, no one really likes Jehovah's Witnesses for their obsession, narrow-mindedness and "privatization" of the Bible.
Undoubtedly, in Soviet times, the Western special services actively tried to set us (the people of the USSR) against socialism and one of the tools was precisely the underground promotion of Baptism and Pentecostalism in the USSR.
But this is a long time ago .. Now everyone is driven by money.

By the way: before my departure to the USA in the late 90s, I asked an American tourist, "What are the most profitable professions in the USA?" The answer would be short: "Lawyer, Doctor and ... Pastor of the Church"
:)))

[Mentat]

Quote: navigator

Quote: Mentat

In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.

I disagree with you. A sectarian, by definition, rejected in whole or in part the true doctrine of the Church, in other words, a heretic. Heresy (Greek hairesis) "selection" is not just a mistake or delusion that a person falls into because of ignorance or incorrect withdrawal. Heresy is a deliberate and stubborn distortion of dogmas. I believe this, I disagree with this, etc. Therefore, it has a negative context. What connotation can the word "offender", breaking the law, be positive?

True, the word "sect" has a negative connotation. However, I draw your attention once again that in the Russian spoken language the word "sect" acquires a kind of double negative meaning, which I wrote about earlier.

[Gost171]

Here, for some reason, the words of O. Bender "How much is opium for the people?" do not go out of my head.

[GUGA]

After reading the comments, I came to the conclusion that 99% of those who wrote did not understand this issue at all. All who do not belong to the main religions in the country interfere with one heap of sects. I agree that Jehovah's Witnesses are a sect. I disagree about the Protestants. Of course, there are agents of influence among them, but there are not so many of them as it seems. Mostly new trends and churches. But the bulk of Protestant churches in Russia appeared during the reign of the tsars. And they did not appear from a good life in their homeland. Little known fact - there was a union of Protestants and Orthodoxy in the struggle for existence on the territory of modern Ukraine in the 16th century. Because they were Catholicized very harshly. Communicated with Protestants in the 3-5th generation: very pious, hardworking people. They do not agitate, they do not impose their faith. What we now call Protestanism is mainly modern trends, 20-30 years old, of the American direction. Surprisingly, there are not so many of them as it seems, they are just "bright" - specially attracting attention. "Orthodox" Protestants do not like them very much.
Interestingly, and commentators know the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism? What is the difference between Protestantism and them? Fundamental differences. What are the Articles of Faith? Why is the Moscow Patriarchate against the Uniates? If you think that you have the right to be at the head of parishes, then you have nothing to be clever here.

[D. Dan]

I agree with the previous comment.
I can say five words about myself. I have been SPECIFICALLY in the SI sect for over 10 years.
For a year he communicated with Baptists - Pentecostals. At this time, he passed a kind of course on sect studies. So, for yourself.
I studied the teachings of Catholics, for three years I communicated closely with the Orthodox and almost got baptized (I still treat Orthodoxy with warmth), not so thoroughly, but I studied the history of the church, at least to a much greater extent than the crying "we are Orthodox "ignorant for the most part, nothing besides," our father, "and" I believe "the majority.
At present, he did not become an atheist, but it finally became clear to me that most religions deviated from the courses of movement set by their founders, and were used by politicians and behind-the-scenes puppeteers of humanity to fool the population., In order to incite ethnic and ethnic hatred.
What specifically about the sectarians, in the photo at the start of the topic, I’ll say that the sect in Russia isn’t doing business now, but in general it’s a sect OH OH ANY INTERESTING, in terms of it is of interest to law enforcement officers, and the US State Department has covered it more than once Russia, but also in the world as a whole.
He founded a freemason and a huckster. Works like a fifth column. Destructive in nature.