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NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?

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One of the indicators that the “friends” of Russia not only do not want to leave outside their area of ​​interest, “isolating from the rest of the world” (© Barack Obama), but, conversely, bringing “friendly” attention to intent, is the appearance on the streets Russian cities of such improvised book mini-markets:


NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?


The women of Balzakovsky and, if I may say so, the Zabalzak age are standing next to wheelchairs, "shop windows" in almost any weather in crowded places (in parks, near bus stops, not far from the entrance to shopping centers) and, especially emphasized, "free of charge" share "important literature." This distributor (the kind of school teacher who has retired), captured in this photo (Voronezh region), has a literature about how to heal a person. At least, it is exactly such a sign with the image of a certain boy of Arab appearance and the title “How to improve health” (without a question mark, which means that the lady “knows exactly how” ...) has her “mini-library”.



We approach the tray with brochures, get permission to take "everything that interests," and among the literature we suddenly find out what, to put it mildly, with a stretch can be called information about the recovery. - A brochure, named by the unknown author, “God's Guidelines Shows the Way to Paradise.” The radical method of "recovery", is not it? ..



And the “doctors” who talk about this kind of “recovery” (“recovery” by coming to the next world), as it turned out from the data about the publisher, are our American “friends” (Brooklyn, New York) who composed this kind 14 medical gizmo years ago - in the 2001 year, and then, giving the task to their Spanish colleagues, they printed a brochure in Russian. It turns out that during the 14 years, the "well-being" methods have not changed ...

Flyer brochure:



A woman who spreads this kind of literature tried to explain that “recovery”, they say, should be understood as purely spiritual, which can be a beginning of recovery and physical, too, that paradise can also be achieved on Earth, if, of course, you visit at least several events involving knowledgeable people. One of these events is a kind of lecture session, which will tell you how to deal with bad habits, including smoking.

15 years ago, my friend, who smoked 1,5-2 cigarettes a day, seriously decided to get rid of this pernicious addiction, and “came across” one of these ads. Like, all your problems will be removed as a hand after just a few visits to the “courses”. After a couple of visits, a friend realized that these lecturers, hardly having at least some medical education, needed to be carried off their feet. The fact is that the stories about how harmful smoking is for some reason were accompanied by colorful descriptions of the close approximation of the end of the world. During the “courses”, people who naively thought that they were really going to help to quit smoking, methodically hammered into their heads, that this was due to people like them, who did not find themselves in a single brotherhood, and wars, all sorts of political conflicts, there is a thirst for money. Even hunger and earthquakes - everything, it turns out, also from people like them ... And so that neither hunger nor earthquakes happen (as you can see, the "scientific" rolls over), you need to become one of them - one of God's people, as these people themselves call themselves "modestly". - It is necessary to become a Jehovah's Witness (SI) - and all problems will be removed as a hand ...

In the brochure, the cover photo of which is presented above, exactly the same ideology is promoted. The little book is replete with reports that “the signs of the last days are more and more,” that “the end of the world is not far off,” and that you need to act, swearing allegiance to the orderly ranks of the Jehovists, who will certainly be saved ... You will all die, they say “righteous and benevolent "Representatives of the sect, - but we will be saved ... And those who" are sure to be saved, in this world are about 8 millions (statistics of the Witnesses themselves) with cells in more than 200 countries of the world. Cell management is carried out from the main office of the organization, located in Brooklyn (USA).

The greatest growth of adherents of this organization with a claim to domination occurred in 90-s, when the Soviet cell of the Jehovists who had previously been limited in capabilities and with the collapse of the USSR spread its wings and adopted hundreds of thousands of people from the post-Soviet space. If in 1989, the sect number was estimated at about 3 million people, by 2000 this number had doubled. Growth continues, including through active, if not to say aggressive, activity towards children.



One of the scandalous cases involving representatives of the sect occurred in the Republic of Mari-El. In the city of Volzhsk, in August 2015, an administrative (administrative only ...) case was initiated into the act, which in fact pulls the kidnapping of the child. The girl, who played in the yard on the playground, in an unknown (originally) direction was taken away by an unknown woman.

After several hours of fruitless searches, the child, fortunately, was found. It turned out that the girl, taking her hand, was taken to a "lecture-seminar" in one of the buildings in which the commercial company office was located. As the mother of the child, Natalya, notes, the girl’s behavior after this incident has changed - Alena (the name of the kidnapped girl) at first behaved closed, occasionally starting a conversation that reflected the influence of representatives of the sect. Just one session lasting several hours - and the child has turned, sorry for slang, into a person laden with “global problems”. How can this one-time session affect the further formation of the girl's psyche? - the question is more than serious.

As a result of consideration of the administrative case, the lady who took the child to the “seminar” in the “headquarters” of the Volzhsk sectarians was fined 10 thousand rubles. Does such a modest punishment reflect the suffering that the mother had to endure during the many hours of searching for her child, is it adequate to the psychological problems that the girl herself faced?

The mother of the child decided to appeal to a human rights organization with the loud name "Man and the Law" (Chiz), working in the territory of Mari-El. Natalya asked for help in the proceedings on the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses in Volzhka, an activity that is aimed, among other things, at outright making children zombie with more than dubious ideas. However, Chiz stated that they could not help Natalia, as the management departed on some very important business trip, and when it appears, nobody knows. Thus, the organization, operating under the slogan “Man. Dignity. Right. Freedom ”, demonstrated that with the protection of rights, dignity and freedom, it’s not so difficult, it just protects the rights of people with obvious selectivity. The rights of some - yes. The rights of others are in no way ... It is understandable, because the inter-regional public organization ChiZ is a typical representative of non-profit organizations-foreign agents, who even publish information about the regional representation in English on the site (apparently, it was clear to the main grantors ask about the direction of expenditure of funds allocated).

From the report of the State Television and Radio Company "Mari El":


Can one foreign agent (NPO) go against another foreign agent, which is actually a sect? Of course not ... Here is a vivid example: at one time in Gorno-Altaisk, the case of the head of the local SI cell, Alexander Kalistratov, was being considered, who evaded military service (he was replaced with alternative military service), and then he began to actively distribute materials recognized by extremist experts. We are talking about the publications of the so-called "Watchtower." From expert evaluations (Kemerovo State University):

The whole autobiography (Kalistratova) is presented as история the struggle of the righteous man with the unjust state-ideological system. (...) The hero tries in every way to avoid conscription, and these attempts are described with a positively-estimated tonality. (...) Consequently, the text of the brochure “Awaken!” Contains an incentive to refuse to perform civil duties related to military service.


The text “The Struggle for the Holy Place” contains a description of the wars for control over Jerusalem. The pathos of the text is that this whole struggle did not bring people closer to God. In the quoted fragment it is said that the wars of Christians for the Holy places actually denounced Christians of idolatry, discord, bloodshed. Along with this, the text does not report on the positive aspects of the life of Christian peoples and countries. Consequently, the text implements the original installation to create a negative image of the Christian religion and the peoples who profess it. (...) contains a deliberately negative image of the Christian religion, which provoked the peoples to bloodshed and discord.


Together with the beginning of the court hearing, both by the wave of a magic wand, both Russian and foreign “human rights activists” intensified. In particular, the notorious Lev Ponomarev, who heads the movement For Human Rights, together with Mr. Velimudr (as one of the leaders of the Russian Jehovah’s cell calls himself) took part in a press conference in which an assessment of the activities of Altai law enforcement officers in this case It was called “use of an administrative resource against public organizations”. And the Canadian representation of the Reuters news agency issued material that "Russia uses laws on extremism against dissidents." The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, who at the time was Mr. Lukin, went even further, saying:

Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.


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  1. EFA
    EFA 27 October 2015 06: 19 New
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    На самом деле, эти "проповедники" на улицах уже давно, примерно два года уже ошиваются возле местной станции электричек.

    I came up to them once to ask what at least they were offering, well, out of curiosity, during the conversation, so nifiga I didn’t understand, a solid perdemonocle with an anathema.
    And most importantly, they poke all my waste paper, I don’t take it and continue to ask, they say, what kind of fraud, and if you want a lot of money, I mock in general.

    As a result, these ladies, realizing that I was not turning to faith, openly said: man go to yug!

    That is the whole religion.
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 27 October 2015 06: 34 New
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      man go to yug!

      yug is written through y.
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        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 49 New
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          Quote: EFA
          Хотел написать как надо - "й" далее "у" и последняя "х"

          All comments to delete?
          1. EFA
            EFA 27 October 2015 09: 23 New
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            If the estate itches like this, delete it.

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          2. kot28.ru
            kot28.ru 27 October 2015 14: 09 New
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            Alexander, the problem is really topical, and there are quite a lot of citizens who believe in such a crap hi ! I don’t understand them, today an article about sects was published on AMUR INFO, an uncle was introduced as one of the leaders in the rank of reserve lieutenant colonel from border guards, personally knew how they were washed with their brains? what
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      3. avdkrd
        avdkrd 28 October 2015 01: 59 New
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        Quote: Mahmut
        man go to yug!

        yug is written through y.

        not so yuh
    2. Petrol
      Petrol 27 October 2015 11: 44 New
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      EFA
      so these preachers who advertise African trash here in Russia starting from olga (the secret wife of kanst purplish)
      and a new fashion The Scientology Crawl advertises one based on Ronald Hubbard's Dianetics
      but the essence is one - MONEY!
    3. Petrol
      Petrol 27 October 2015 12: 13 New
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      EFA I will continue
      I’ve talked with Mormons here (Americans like this too, young people walk around almost without an accent in Russian, the second is some kind of Ukrainian Diaspora dialect)
      they clung to the question
      -знаете ли вы "Истину"
      блин меня чуть не "разорвало" в общем..... и тут Остапа понесло
      I told them so ... a short course outlined
      all from the science of the USSR and nothing more
      человек который в современном социуме называется Иисус Христос (хотя в действительности носил другое имя, дата рождения ориентировочно 1152 - парад планет был в тех годах) был 7 ребёнком в семье и сильнейшим экстрасенсом в 4 поколении (случайно научно доказано) в 60 годах в СССР модная в то время ядерная тема и эксперимент связанный со спасением экипажа атомной подводной лодки пошёл "не так" испытуемый находился на грани жизни и смерти затем организм начал сам себя спасать в следствии чего человек начал светиться (образцы ткани (простыня) с отпечатком тела была на балансе в 70 годах в военно мед академии) сам чувак или испытуемый работал там же
      further more (briefly) X-DDDDDD
      desert god - zoomorphic face of the scarab beetle)) (the history of Dr. Egypt as amended by M.V. Kryukov and others)
      al_liluya - I am empty in translation from dr Aramaic)))
      love is the people of god of knowledge
      but I almost forgot)))
      я мормону говорю когда самец мужского пола завершает половой акт, что он кричит - "О Боже"
      So?? he says yes! then love is an act ..... with whom ???? !!!!!
      damn ... you would see their faces
      I know the most effective weapon against Americans is USSR SCIENCE!
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 27 October 2015 12: 52 New
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        Туринская плащаница - это фальсификация чистой воды. Тут даже обсуждать нечего и знающие люди в курсе, как эти "плащаницы" делаются и сколько их наштамповано "прозапас" и разбросано по складам в разных монастырях. Десяти Иисусам столько принадлежать не могло. Конвейер оболванивания доверчивых прихожан не останавливается никогда. Надо "Плащаницу" - щас сделаем, а в Голливуде еще и кино снимем с Анджелиной Джоли и Харрисоном Фордом про спасение плащаницы от рук красных чекистов или фашистов.
        Да простят меня люди верующие в эти артефакты, но одно дело верить в Бога и придерживаться библейских канонов, но совсем другое, верить нечистым на руку создателям подобных "доказательств" существования Бога на Земле. Параноидальная "Вера", толкающая на подобную ложь, ничем не лучше полного безверия.
        1. Defender
          Defender 28 October 2015 00: 00 New
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          Dear Major_Vortex! Believers will forgive of course ... However, do not consider it hard, if you are not arguing blaspheming the shrine, please read the text (the text) here: http: //profi-rus.narod.ru/pravoslavie/text/plasanica.htm And then try to prove your blasphemy. hi
          1. Major_Vortex
            Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 00: 38 New
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            Quote: Defender
            important Major_Vortex! Believers will forgive of course ... However, do not consider it hard, if you are not arguing blaspheming the shrine, please read the text (the text) here: http: //profi-rus.narod.ru/pravoslavie/text/plasanica.htm And then try to prove your blasphemy.

            Туринская плащаница - это подделка. Какая хула, вы хоть значение этого слова знаете? Я христианин, но общался с католиками и в частных беседах они сами делятся мыслями, что Ватикан за свою историю существования столько подделок наштамповал, что всерьез все эти артефакты уже воспринимать нельзя. Если порыться по монастырям Италии, где собственно и находится Ватикан, то на роту Иисусов плащаниц и прочих подделок набрать можно - это тоже не мои слова. Ватикан - это небольшой район в Риме, более точно говоря, это средневековая крепость в Риме имеющая статус независимого государства. У Ватикана даже собственной таможни нет и статус государства весьма условен. Так вот. Туринская плащаница - явная подделка даже не имеющая никакого отношения к историческому периоду жизни Христа. Есть люди верующие в эту чушь, некоторые даже пишут статьи на этот счет. Это как американские или западноевропейские СМИ демонизирующие Россию. Об этом много говорят, но правды в этом трепе нет даже на 0,0001%, хотя несколько сот миллионов человек в мире находятся под влиянием этой лжи. Что прикажете, тоже этому верить? А касательно православных порталов, надо подходить к их изучению материалов выложенных там с трезвым умом. В православии люди разные попадаются, подноготную каждого человека вы не знаете, и иногда такое напишут, что однозначные выводы без высшего духовного образования сделать сложно, а иногда и высшего духовного образования недостаточно, чтобы разобраться во всей этой каше и проходит слишком много лет пока разного рода заблуждения становятся очевидными. Подходите к изучению этих артефактов с трезвым умом. Среди католических артефактов подделок очень много. Это сейчас все умные и образованные стали, есть интернет, независимые исследования ученых. А еще 200-300 лет назад за подобное высказывание можно было жизни лишиться. Почитайте историю этой "плащаницы". Здравые статьи на эту тнему проскакивают. Пишут зачастую достаточно образованные и компетентные люди.
            1. Defender
              Defender 28 October 2015 01: 03 New
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              Текст по ссылке вы неосилили... А жаль... С подделками и псевдо религиозными сказками я и сам сталкивался. К сожалению такие вещи встречаются и у православных. Соотношение Иуд и Учеников во все времена постоянен 1:12. Однако дело даже не в Плащанице, а в "Царе в голове" наших соотечественников.
              1. Major_Vortex
                Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 03: 11 New
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                Quote: Defender
                Текст по ссылке вы неосилили... А жаль... С подделками и псевдо религиозными сказками я и сам сталкивался. К сожалению такие вещи встречаются и у православных. Соотношение Иуд и Учеников во все времена постоянен 1:12. Однако дело даже не в Плащанице, а в "Царе в голове" наших соотечественников.

                I did not encounter fakes among the Orthodox, I think that here you can dig something. And this is normal if there are revelations, because people are developing rapidly and it’s becoming more difficult to deceive a modern person. Christian teaching has been around for 2000 years and there are many fakes over this period. But the topic was specifically about the shroud. This old rag was traded at some merchant and its origin is doubtful. Scientists seriously examined it and confirmed that it was a fake. Given how many fakes there are of various religious artifacts in the world, the Shroud is just another episode of deceiving believers. The main shrine to call her and worship her should be on what basis? Common cult item. What does Jesus say in the Bible about cults, remember? There would be no cult of things, there would be no fakes. People create cults for themselves and allow themselves to be deceived. Everyone knows that both Catholics and Orthodox Christians preserve the Relics of the Saints - here even though a reliable analysis can be made and investigated, everything with a sufficient degree of certainty. A spear or shroud how to check? Scientists study some of these many artifacts and it turns out that even by age they do not correspond to the period of Christ's life described in the Bible. Why cheat yourself? Self-deception is not Faith, just as you don’t convince yourself otherwise.
                1. Defender
                  Defender 28 October 2015 07: 09 New
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                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  But the topic was specifically about the shroud.

                  Where did this topic come from? request
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  The main shrine to call her and worship her should be on what basis?

                  The main shrine of God.
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  A spear or shroud how to check?

                  Саван т.е. Плащаницу, как раз, проверяли. По моей ссылке (выше) профессор МДА протодиакон Андрей Кураев исследует этот "артефакт". Это мой учитель, у меня нет оснований ему не доверять. hi
                  Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                  Self-deception is not Faith, just as you don’t convince yourself otherwise.

                  With two hands for!)))
                  1. Major_Vortex
                    Major_Vortex 28 October 2015 11: 13 New
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                    Quote: Defender
                    Where did this topic come from?

                    Вы её подняли обвинив меня во лжи или как Вы выразились в "хуле". Идите проспитесь, святой отец laughing

                    Quote: Defender
                    Саван т.е. Плащаницу, как раз, проверяли. По моей ссылке (выше) профессор МДА протодиакон Андрей Кураев исследует этот "артефакт". Это мой учитель, у меня нет оснований ему не доверять.

                    A protodeacon cannot act as an independent expert and scholar, and his judgments can be biased and politicized. Shroud was studied by serious scientists, conducted research. The probability that she was covered with the body of Christ would tend to zero. You would have attracted the Pope to research laughing
                    1. Defender
                      Defender 28 October 2015 23: 22 New
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                      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                      Quote: Defender
                      Where did this topic come from?
                      Вы её подняли обвинив меня во лжи или как Вы выразились в "хуле". Идите проспитесь, святой отец

                      Dear, in your first commentary on this article, for no reason, you started blaming the Shroud and still accuse me of drunkenness wassat
                      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                      Туринская плащаница - это фальсификация чистой воды. Тут даже обсуждать нечего и знающие люди в курсе, как эти "плащаницы" делаются и сколько их наштамповано "прозапас" и разбросано по складам в разных монастырях. Десяти Иисусам столько принадлежать не могло. Конвейер оболванивания доверчивых прихожан не останавливается никогда. Надо "Плащаницу" - щас сделаем, а в Голливуде еще и кино снимем с Анджелиной Джоли и Харрисоном Фордом про спасение плащаницы от рук красных чекистов или фашистов.
                      Да простят меня люди верующие в эти артефакты, но одно дело верить в Бога и придерживаться библейских канонов, но совсем другое, верить нечистым на руку создателям подобных "доказательств" существования Бога на Земле. Параноидальная "Вера", толкающая на подобную ложь, ничем не лучше полного безверия.

                      In my opinion, to put it mildly, you are forgotten.

                      Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
                      A protodeacon cannot act as an independent expert and scholar, and his judgments can be biased and politicized. Shroud was studied by serious scientists, conducted research. The probability that she was covered with the body of Christ would tend to zero. You would have attracted the Pope to research


                      Вы спорите ссылаясь на неких "серьёзных учёных" не приведя ссылки ни на одного. А в тексте который я Вам предлагал, протодиакон ссылался на конкретных учёных и их исследования. Вы его игнорируете.
                      Therefore, I see that we will not be able to adequately continue the conversation. Moreover, the theme of the Shroud of Turin is not for HE. stop
                      PS I'm not a holy father)))
                      1. Major_Vortex
                        Major_Vortex 29 October 2015 01: 39 New
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                        Quote: Defender
                        Dear, in your first commentary on this article, for no reason, you started blaming the Shroud and still accuse me of drunkenness

                        Еще раз не дошло. Не я хулю, а Ватикан смастырил эту липу, чтобы навешивать лапшу прихожанам. Липа старая уже и попадала в руки ученым. Сидите и изучайте результаты. Там половина хранилищ в Ватикане подобными подделками завалена. Передовые отряды Папы Римского уже и тут на уши присели и доказывают, что это "святая" вещица примитивным варварам? Напрасно на меня время переводите, я и без вас знаю истинную "ценность" этой тряпицы и Кураев для меня не истина в последней инстанции ни в коем разе. Лучше пусть протодиакон внимательнее разберется, где он ошибся в своих "исследованиях". Просыпаются люди не только после пьянства, но и после переутомления.
                        And I know that you are not a holy father, do not worry. Because of this rag, we are still arguing.
        2. Defender
          Defender 28 October 2015 00: 28 New
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          А ещё братья, я хочу напомнить: "Свято место пусто не бывает"! Если "Царя в голове нет" то Его место, обязательно, займёт какой-нибудь "божок" псевдо религиозный или любая человеческая страсть, а может быть и сразу "легион".

          Without God, a nation is a crowd
          United by vice
          Or blind, or stupid,
          Or, even worse, is cruel.

          And let any one rise to the throne
          High syllable
          The crowd will remain a crowd
          Until he turns to God!

          In 2004, adherents of various sects eats Western money were brought to the Maidan.
          The Faith of the Fathers accepted by the mind and heart is a panacea for many bad things.
      2. EFA
        EFA 27 October 2015 14: 04 New
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        It is Benzin!
        Любые каверзные или неудобные вопросы по части их верования ставят их в тупик. Впрочем, это справедливо лишь для "проповедующей паствы" (а на деле агитаторов), а вот спор с настоятелем или пастором, который в церкви вещает - это уже по сложнее, у него и интеллект присутствует и в теологии он ориентируется значительно лучше, практически на все есть ответ.

        К примеру, недалеко от меня (минут 20 на машине) построена церковь, то ли адвентистов, то ли свидетелей, но название на фасаде вот такое - "Молельный Дом "Крепость"". Официально (в нашем районе) так же зарегистрированы пятидесятники, баптисты, саентологи (запрещены, но они в качестве клуба любителей произведений Хаббарда), свидетели иеговы. И это на сравнительно не большой территории.

        Или вот еще, работаю с корейцами, и они ходят в церковь (протестанты), ибо набожные, хотя грешат как дышат ни чуть не меньше чем остальные верующие, но у них хватает наглости после конкретной совместной попойки укорять тебя что дескать ты нагрешил вчера. И вот я побывал на службе там, на корейском конечно языке, но мне перевели. Суть проповеди и вообще главная линия (по крайней мере в этой церкви) "веры" в том (как я понял из перевода), что только потеряв все ты приобретаешь все. Ну а что бы тебе легче было - обязательные пожертвования, причем по таксе! Не ниже 1000 рублей (или воны в эквиваленте), некоторые , по доходам и по 30-80 кр оставляют за службу.

        The sermon is very aggressive, with elements of psychological and physical impact, even the intonation and loudness of the voice is selected according to the content.

        In general, business.
        1. Thor
          Thor 27 October 2015 16: 19 New
          -5
          To disperse all these Jesuses, Jehovahs and other baptists with the Pagan Sledgehammer of Mjolnir !! am )))
          1. Throw
            Throw 27 October 2015 17: 56 New
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            Or the Slavic Sword of Perun! angry
            1. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 27 October 2015 20: 37 New
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              Уважаемый, Вы забыли добавить что вашей "древней" вере Перуна вот ужо как сто тысяч лет.
          2. EwgenyZ
            EwgenyZ 27 October 2015 20: 35 New
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            Одни, такие же "древние" и чтущие "веру предков" как Вы, на Украине схватились за "кувалду", однако регулярно огребают от "неверных". Не боязно по сусалам получит-то в ответку?
            1. Throw
              Throw 28 October 2015 00: 31 New
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              Her .. On Faith and Spirit just in Novoros stand. Only the Old Slavonic roots were forgotten, but it is they who give strength, and not the Hebrew Byzantine writers.
              So take care of your tinsel wink
              1. EwgenyZ
                EwgenyZ 28 October 2015 08: 04 New
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                Throw
                Quote: Lance
                They stand on Faith and Spirit just in Novoros.


                Согласен, на вере в "Духа Святаго, Господа, Животворящаго, Иже от Отца исходящаго, Иже со Отцем и Сыном спокланяема и сславима, глаголавшаго пророки." (Символ веры)
                But no less than the faith of spirits in dead gods.

                Quote: Lance
                Only the roots of the Old Slavic forgot


                А Вы, надо понимать, не забыли!? Ну дак просвятите, но только факты, пожалуйста, а не сочинения заокеанских "писателей" и доморощенных фантастов типа Патера Дия и Тюняева.
          3. Skalpel
            Skalpel 28 October 2015 07: 52 New
            0
            Have you reviewed the comics? :)))
          4. Skalpel
            Skalpel 28 October 2015 07: 52 New
            0
            Have you reviewed the comics? :)))
        2. Mentat
          Mentat 27 October 2015 21: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: EFA
          церковь, то ли адвентистов, то ли свидетелей, но название на фасаде вот такое - "Молельный Дом "Крепость"". Официально (в нашем районе) так же зарегистрированы пятидесятники, баптисты, саентологи (запрещены, но они в качестве клуба любителей произведений Хаббарда), свидетели иеговы. И это на сравнительно не большой территории.

          You in one bottle do not interfere.

          SI (Jehovah's Witnesses) - a sect founded by a sales agent suffering from a phobia of infernal torment.

          A little later, he conducted several successful scams, than laid the financial foundation of this organization.
          There are strong deviations from Christianity, images in their literature use the technology of subliminal visual reinforcement of the text developed by them (embedded pictures). Very rich organization.

          Mormons is a sect founded by a swindler who was fond of mediumship.

          Deviations even more. In fact, in this sect, Christianity is used only as a cover.

          Mormons have seized enormous power and influence in a number of US states, are one of the richest organizations in the world, have their own television stations, pocket corporations, their judges and their people everywhere in these states.

          Scientologists (Hubbardists, Dianetics) - a sect founded by a science fiction writer who dreamed of high profits, and decided to found a sect initially for profit.

          Use psychocoding, hypnosis, including with the help of medications. In the West, they do not shy away from intimidation and physical elimination of "unwanted people." Many Western actors and pop stars are recruited by this sect. Mired in contacts with special services. Lighted up in several high-profile cases of theft of secret data from the British intelligence.
          Summary: a semi-criminal group under the guise of US intelligence.

          Baptists, Pentecostals, Evangelists are branches of Protestantism. Virtually unchanged Christianity. There are quite harmless shtetl churches of the Protestant type (i.e., denying ritualism and centralization of church administration). However, there are (albeit not much), in fact, NGOs disguised as such churches, to our great regret. For example, the "church" of Alexei Ledyaev in Riga, which took part in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.


          I will also add that one of the most dangerous since health are numerous "schools of yoga of the neotantra," with the last word often omitted, where young people are involved in the practice of "neotantra." All “neotanthantrists” use texts and the “school” of Osho - a madman, a crook, a pimp and a criminal.
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      4. lubesky
        lubesky 27 October 2015 20: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Benzin
        the man who in modern society is called Jesus Christ (although in reality he had a different name, his birth date was approximately 1152 - the planet parade was in those years) was 7 children in the family and the strongest psychic in the 4th generation (accidentally scientifically proven)

        Quote: Benzin
        я мормону говорю когда самец мужского пола завершает половой акт, что он кричит - "О Боже"
        So?? he says yes! then love is an act ..... with whom ???? !!!!!

        Уважаемый, из Вашего текста и много букв я не понял одного, кто дал Вам право измываться и изголяться над чувствами верующих? Это из каких научно доказанных работ, Вы почерпнули "вашу" биографию Иисуса из Назарета? Чем можете подтвердить сии изыскания? Я согласен про антисоциальную деятельность свидетелей иеговы и скажем, мормонов, но мне лично, не приятно читать Ваши оскорбительные измышления про Бога, православных здесь уверен хватает, на многих ветках неистово крестятся, как говорится в тренде сейчас и не вижу я братьев по вере здесь, коих возмущают такие вот оскорбления. И заметьте, Ваш возможный ответ - не хочешь, не читай - мне не интересен, мне закон нашей страны гарантирует, что над моими убеждениями глумиться никто не вправе. Меня искренне расстраивает Ваша "научность", кою некомпетентность выдают Задорновские антинаучные бредни в лингвистике и значении древнеславянских корней слов, такое же вольное трактование и у Вас...
        И раз это все что Вы вылили в виде текста на волне урапатриотизма и в тренде, все что связывается с госдепом - все в кучу, тут Вы явно перестарались, розня на национальном и религиозном фундаменте никак не способствует укреплению и становлению России, это вам из курса Истории Отечества, почитайте на досуге, ну хотя бы несколько парагрофов из обычного учебника, это Вам мой совет, любитель "науки СССР"....
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 27 October 2015 20: 46 New
          -2
          I agree about the antisocial activities of Jehovah's Witnesses and, say, Mormons, but personally, I am not pleased to read your insulting fabrications about God

          Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?
          1. lubesky
            lubesky 27 October 2015 21: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: Your friend
            Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

            I answer, they are not, because the above God does not insult and do not blaspheme. And I commented on a comrade who, of course, is not obliged to believe in God, this is his right, but clearly in his text he made an insult to God and it offended me as a believer. The law of the Russian Federation guarantees me the right not to be offended in my religious feelings in the media. Have I fully answered your question?
            1. Your friend
              Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: lubesky
              Quote: Your friend
              Are the inventions about God made by Catholics, Protestants, Charismatics, Buddhists, Muslims, atheists insulting? How do you fight this?

              I answer, they are not, because the above God does not insult and do not blaspheme. And I commented on a comrade who, of course, is not obliged to believe in God, this is his right, but clearly in his text he made an insult to God and it offended me as a believer. The law of the Russian Federation guarantees me the right not to be offended in my religious feelings in the media. Have I fully answered your question?

              No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?
              1. lubesky
                lubesky 27 October 2015 23: 51 New
                +4
                Quote: Your friend
                No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

                All these statements for a believer are blasphemy against God, mortal sin. And from the lips of an unbeliever these words are for me, as a believer, also a blasphemy, but I will not judge him, God will condemn. This is only his personal opinion and he has every right to do so. How am I fighting this? No way, I just do not keep silent, I warn the person that I know for sure the opposite, he cannot and should not say such a thing, I appeal to his conscience and if he remains unconvinced, this is his right.
                Now about the case when a person in the presence of me, a believer, talks about sexual intercourse (which in itself went in principle) and alludes to God and mixes these two phenomena - this person insults and tramples on my personal beliefs, scoffs at them, over mine beliefs. In this case, it violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation. So in this case, he offends my feelings of the believer (apparently this does not offend your feelings - your right).
                The right to NOT be silent in such cases is guaranteed to me by the constitution of my country, and my moral right to stop blasphemy against God was given to me by my service in the Russian Armed Forces, where I was in different situations and saw a lot of violent atheists who asked in a difficult time, one on one tell me more about God than the science of the USSR.
                I hope now I have given you a more complete answer.
                1. Your friend
                  Your friend 29 October 2015 11: 57 New
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                  Quote: lubesky
                  Quote: Your friend
                  No, they didn’t answer. What God they do not blaspheme, they all have a different God or he does not? Is admitting that there is no God - blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is not God a blasphemy against God? Is the claim that Jesus is a false messiah blasphemy against God?

                  All these statements for a believer are blasphemy against God, mortal sin. And from the lips of an unbeliever these words are for me, as a believer, also a blasphemy, but I will not judge him, God will condemn. This is only his personal opinion and he has every right to do so. How am I fighting this? No way, I just do not keep silent, I warn the person that I know for sure the opposite, he cannot and should not say such a thing, I appeal to his conscience and if he remains unconvinced, this is his right.
                  Now about the case when a person in the presence of me, a believer, talks about sexual intercourse (which in itself went in principle) and alludes to God and mixes these two phenomena - this person insults and tramples on my personal beliefs, scoffs at them, over mine beliefs. In this case, it violates not only moral principles (I hope they are familiar to you), but also my rights protected by the laws of the Russian Federation. So in this case, he offends my feelings of the believer (apparently this does not offend your feelings - your right).
                  The right to NOT be silent in such cases is guaranteed to me by the constitution of my country, and my moral right to stop blasphemy against God was given to me by my service in the Russian Armed Forces, where I was in different situations and saw a lot of violent atheists who asked in a difficult time, one on one tell me more about God than the science of the USSR.
                  I hope now I have given you a more complete answer.

                  Вы мне дали такой ответ: В первом случае "но судить его я не буду, Бог осудит", во втором "В данном случае, он нарушает не только моральные принципы (надеюсь они Вам знакомы), но и мои права, защищаемые законами Российской Федерации." Чтож в логике вам не откажешь.(((
                  1. lubesky
                    lubesky 30 October 2015 03: 25 New
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                    Quote: Your friend
                    Вы мне дали такой ответ: В первом случае "но судить его я не буду, Бог осудит", во втором "В данном случае, он нарушает не только моральные принципы (надеюсь они Вам знакомы), но и мои права, защищаемые законами Российской Федерации." Чтож в логике вам не откажешь.

                    And the logic is, dear, that in the second case, he insulting God, insulted me personally, moreover, my indignation at this fact is not just a personal opinion, but the majority opinion, enshrined in the legislative act. I consider it, in general, very logical, to defend my beliefs and conscience, and in the first case, he is not obliged to believe, I can only convict him, but not condemn him. What is not logical here?
                    Ваша логика напротив, наводит на мысль, что редакция "шарли-эбдо", была права, напечатав откровенное глумление над пророком Мухаммедом, тем самым оскорбив чувства миллиардов мусульман? Так вот я Вам логику обьясняю - опубликовав сомнения насчет его принадлежности к пророкам - это допустимое мнение, которое хоть и возмущает мусульман, но законом допустимо, ведь это мнение других людей. Другое дело совсем, опубликовать каррикатуру, ОСКОРБЛЯЮЩУЮ святую для мусульман личность, что глупо и провокационно, что оскорбляют их чувства и убеждения. Глумление над святыми вещами для человека - это не равно высказыванию своего мнения. Вам моя логика теперь понятненька? Если нет, то это Вам в логике не откажешь ..
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        3. Oper6300
          Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 07 New
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          Не рой другому яму - говорю как лицо незаинересованное. Вам не нравятся СИ, а вот юзеру Бензин не нравятся убеждения ваших "верующих". Так-то вот.
    4. Vasia kruger
      Vasia kruger 27 October 2015 21: 43 New
      0
      В москве в свао они ещё по квартирам ходят, буквально пару дней назад такие бабенки приперлись на предмет... как они сказали "помочь в осмыслении библии". Послал их в ж..у и дверь закрыл.

      Кстати представляются по хитрому, начинают что то вроде "Здравствуйте, наша организация проводит сегодня, в вашем округе работу по помощи осмысления ... бла бла бла"
  2. xin-l
    xin-l 27 October 2015 06: 22 New
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    What a stupid and biased article. Even funny, except for its primitive background and clearly xenophobic hue. You still recognize the Bible as extremist for complete happiness and you will be a little Judaic happiness.
    1. ivan48857
      ivan48857 27 October 2015 06: 28 New
      23
      Another ADEPT! Justify what is the stupidity of this article?
      1. Oper6300
        Oper6300 27 October 2015 11: 18 New
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        Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
        Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
        Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
        Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
        Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
        You can minus until you turn blue.
        1. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 27 October 2015 11: 39 New
          +6
          я постоянно вижу этих дамочек, пытался сфотографировать со всей трихомудией, так они в крик. Тещу у брата посещали такие несколько месяцев и тут она по ящику случайно посмотрела передачу про секты, как бабка пошептала, попросила чтобы гнали "сестер" в три шеи, было это лет пять назад.
          1. dvg79
            dvg79 27 October 2015 13: 11 New
            +2
            There was a deal communicated with this brethren after several questions on the merits of the reaction like evil spirits to holy water.
        2. nov_tech.vrn
          nov_tech.vrn 27 October 2015 15: 18 New
          -3
          operas you're kind of frail, the maidan of the brain on your forehead is written
        3. Your friend
          Your friend 27 October 2015 20: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Oper6300
          Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
          Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
          Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
          Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
          Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
          You can minus until you turn blue.


          Funny? Sociable? Are you talking about those frightened aunts who go around our house a couple of times a month, steaming their watchtower?
          Lord, and in VO they are ....
          1. Oper6300
            Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 14 New
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            Dear friend, I do not know who you saw, but we are talking about the masses and trends. I communicate with them much more often than many local commentators, and I can assure you that they do not send interlocutors to the south (unlike the population of this site). By the way, pay attention to their presentation style. Compare with what I write and another doubted.
            1. Your friend
              Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Oper6300
              Dear friend, I do not know who you saw, but we are talking about the masses and trends. I communicate with them much more often than many local commentators, and I can assure you that they do not send interlocutors to the south (unlike the population of this site). By the way, pay attention to their presentation style. Compare with what I write and another doubted.

              Um, if these women talk about the Bible, offer to study the Bible with SI, give brochures about SI ..... um. probably they are pastafarians, buddy?
              На стиль обращения кого, я должен обратить внимание, дружище? Кто такие "их"?
              И кстати они выпивают. По их вере потребление алкоголя не является грехом. Так что не надо, дружище, вот этого "Плюс к тому не пьют, не курят ( чего о попах гундяева прихода не скажешь)". Вы же "с ними куда чаще общаетесь, могли бы знать.)))
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 06: 45 New
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      Quote: xin-l
      Even funny, except for its primitive background and clearly xenophobic hue.

      What sect? Witness God Kuzi?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 27 October 2015 06: 55 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Witness God Kuzi?

        Understood Cousin Mother wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 07: 18 New
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          Quote: Ruslan67
          Understood Cousin Mother

          Cousin virgin in witnesses, witnessed the fall of Kuzi laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 27 October 2015 07: 20 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            witnessed the fall of Kuzi

            So how do you now have a snack after this snout? belay
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 27 October 2015 10: 33 New
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              This snout has already been hidden behind bars; in the zone he will see the true karma of being at the bucket.
            2. Baikonur
              Baikonur 27 October 2015 11: 03 New
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              Quote: Ruslan67
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              witnessed the fall of Kuzi

              So how do you now have a snack after this snout? belay

              Damn, I also nearly vomited!
              P.S., (as applied to the article):
              I also watched Ms. Alekseeva, an old woman coughing (probably her Russian name, probably her husband)!) persuaded Putin to change his attitude to NGOs in Russia. Like, they are good, honest, good and prosperity wish Russia, children, and you are in foreign countries. agents recorded!

              Also almost vomited from these words and from her appearance!
              1. Independent
                Independent 27 October 2015 11: 43 New
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                Quote: Baikonur
                Damn, I also nearly vomited!
                P.S., (as applied to the article):

                Quote: Baikonur
                Also almost vomited from these words and from her appearance!

                So I did not understand, you are smart or beautiful. Full of discord in thoughts.
    3. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 27 October 2015 06: 51 New
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      Quote: xin-l
      You still recognize the Bible as extremist for complete happiness and you will be a little Judaic happiness.


      А причём здесь Библия?! Один раз и у меня было общение с представителями СИ, на мой ответ, что я крещёная, я услышала, что " веру можно и поменять", после этих слов, пришлось их послать " далеко и надолго". Бесит их назойливость, они как тараканы просачиваются в дома( домофоны для них не преграда, правда, жильцы сами в этом виноваты), звонят по телефону( пришлось пригрозить уголовным преследованием, если звонки не прекратятся). Однажды, в беседе с родственником своей приятельницы, который является иеговистом, задала ему вопрос: " почему они пользуются бытовой техникой, живут в благоустроенном жилье, если по их учению, всё это- происки сатаны?!!" В ответ ничего внятного не услышала, но врагом обзавелась.
      1. Oper6300
        Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 22 New
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        А Вы, "крещённая", посылали их словами из Святого Писания?
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    5. Baloo
      Baloo 27 October 2015 08: 11 New
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      In the mid-90s, a guy jumps up at a bus stop and starts campaigning for the Baptists-evangelists. I tell him: guy, look around you for how many beautiful girls! What are you wasting your life on. That wilderness, his head lowered, a tear came. Looks like on hooks ... angry
      1. dvg79
        dvg79 27 October 2015 14: 36 New
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        I tried to get through to this, the guy can be removed as the standard of the true Aryan, and he suffers from garbage. However, he was hard to see his brain, his eyes were like a doll, and all my rhetoric was in vain. But his partner tried to argue quite skillfully, but quickly realizing who she encountered, she quickly dumped and dragged him along.
    6. free
      free 27 October 2015 09: 14 New
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      and here the sectarian has granted, the admin is your way out!
      1. Banshee
        Banshee 27 October 2015 14: 57 New
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        Quote: free
        admin is your way out!


        What for? He did not break anything, and in the minus he would be pounded. And he will be happy.
        1. Oper6300
          Oper6300 27 October 2015 21: 25 New
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          What can you say about my opponent? nov_tech.vrn (1) RU Today, 15:18 ↑
    7. Batia
      Batia 27 October 2015 10: 04 New
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      Вы видимо не сталкивались с этими проповедниками. Это реальные люди и с реальными задачами зомбирования населения. если пускать на самотек их действия будет беда, ибо далеко не все с устойчивой психикой и не пошлют этих проповедников на "йюг". Искоренять эту заразу пока не опоздали.
    8. dvg79
      dvg79 27 October 2015 13: 08 New
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      А вы её почитайте,сразу становится видно откуда у "Моей Борьбы" ноги растут,если конечно вдумываться ,что там написано.
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    1. free
      free 27 October 2015 09: 16 New
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      for treason and immediately on the count of aspen!
  4. Zomanus
    Zomanus 27 October 2015 06: 28 New
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    Yes, we ourselves need not to blunt and burn such literature,
    pour paint, spoil in every way.
    If society itself does not begin to oppose this heresy,
    the state will do nothing.
  5. 1536
    1536 27 October 2015 06: 31 New
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    Однажды сказал такой вот " бывшей учительнице", которая со своей товаркой стояла около подмосковной станции электрички, распространяя эту литературу: Вам не стыдно, пожилая женщина, сбиваете с пути истинного молодежь?" Ответа не получил. Тогда я написал запрос в местный совет депутатов, его главе, бывшему мэру нашего подмосковного города. Ответа жду до сих пор, а сектанты стоят по-прежнему. Вдруг случайно узнаю, что этот депутат летает, оказывается, на работу из... Испании. А теперь сложим адрес типографии, виллу в Испании, деньги из США и получим то, видим.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 27 October 2015 10: 09 New
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      Suddenly I accidentally find out that this deputy is flying, it turns out, to work from ... Spain. Now add up the address of the printing house, a villa in Spain, money from the USA and get what we see.
      Outrageous. Where is the landing?
  6. strelets
    strelets 27 October 2015 06: 33 New
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    Catchers of souls. It is worth approaching them to a weak or unhappy person - and that's all, clawed bogged down, an abyss to the whole bird.
    They are no better than terrorists, they must be banned and dispersed, all sectarians sent for compulsory treatment. Maybe they can’t be saved, so at least they won’t destroy the new ones.
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 27 October 2015 06: 52 New
    +8
    without parental consent, take the child to a “lecture” of such “dissident social activists”, injuring the psyche of both the child and the mother


    - this is a criminal article ... and parents can legally solder the millionth claim of this organization for moral damage and suffering of the child ... the main thing is to document all aspects of this case in time.
  8. Basil50
    Basil50 27 October 2015 07: 17 New
    +1
    Another oddity, according to * Satanists *, is that any Satan can be called up in the Bible, only there is something to be wise, and please come. The Bible is obligatory in this rite; for some reason, you cannot do without it. And how many different interpretations on the topic of God, and all with fire in his eyes. If * the word of God * is one book - * the Bible *, then it should be clear to everyone, but there are so many oral and written interpreters that the question arises of the honesty of all theology. Indeed * literature * theological is immeasurable. Is this what they correct their god all the time? Where does such arrogance come from? And they dare to demand respect for themselves.
    1. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 27 October 2015 13: 05 New
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      If the Bible is true, then it cannot contradict MYSELF. However, there are contradictions in the Bible. And to myself. Bible writers did not bother to coordinate their opuses with their predecessors and with each other.
    2. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 16: 52 New
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      Quote: Vasily50
      Another oddity, according to * Satanists *, is that any Satan can be called up in the Bible, only there is something to be wise, and please come. The Bible is obligatory in this rite; for some reason, you cannot do without it. And how many different interpretations on the topic of God, and all with fire in his eyes. If * the word of God * one book - * the Bible *, then it should be clear to everyone, but there are so many oral and written interpreters that the question arises of the honesty of all theology. Indeed * literature * theological is immeasurable. Is this what they correct their god all the time? Where does such arrogance come from? And they dare to demand respect for themselves.


      Вы глубоко заблуждаетесь.Сатанисты используют "чёрную библию"-антиБиблию для своих обрядов.Автор американский сатанист Энтони Ла Вэй.А столько толкователей говорит не о "честности всего богословия" или "что они всё время своего бога поправляют",а трудности перевода с древнегреческого,древнеарамейского языков.И откуда такие выводы,особенно про "ещё смеют требовать уважения к себе".Вам не мешало бы поуважительнее высказыватьсвои мысли,чтобы никого не оскорблять попусту.
      1. Kahlan amnell
        Kahlan amnell 27 October 2015 19: 41 New
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        ... and the difficulties of translation from ancient Greek, ancient Aramaic.

        Oh yes of course! Translation difficulties are so great that numerous Bible commissions have been involved in these translations for decades.
        1. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 20: 00 New
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          Quote: Kahlan Amnell
          ... and the difficulties of translation from ancient Greek, ancient Aramaic.

          Oh yes of course! Translation difficulties are so great that numerous Bible commissions have been involved in these translations for decades.


          Well, yes, you are a teacher of chemistry and biology, and even your husband says that you are more like Kahlan Amnell. And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades? Everything has been translated for a long time. Interpretation is not a translation. they interpreted everything wrongly.
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 27 October 2015 20: 16 New
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            Of course, my character and professional activity are not relevant to the question. Just why did you decide that I must lock myself in their framework?
            Quote: navigator
            And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades?

            I read a lot. smile
            1. navigator
              navigator 27 October 2015 20: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Kahlan Amnell
              Of course, my character and professional activity are not relevant to the question. Just why did you decide that I must lock myself in their framework?
              Quote: navigator
              And where did you get that theological commissions have been doing these translations for decades?

              I read a lot. smile


              And why did you get that I decided so? You so fervently, waving a sword like your beloved heroine, judge peremptorily .... theologians. What is interpreted for decades is simple. The Bible is untrue because it contradicts itself, I so I decided. And you don’t contradict yourself? By the way, we all read a lot and therefore we often imagine ourselves smarter than others. And is that a question or not.
              1. Kahlan amnell
                Kahlan amnell 28 October 2015 07: 30 New
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                Quote: navigator
                And why did you get that I decided so? You are so fervently, waving a sword like your beloved heroine, peremptorily judge .... theologians.

                But Bogosov can not be judged? Are theologians such super beings, do they all know and are they faultless? Well right popes. Or is theology exact science and its statements verified by experience? Maybe we will equate mythology with mathematics, physics and astronomy.
                Quote: navigator
                What is interpreted for decades is simple. The Bible is not true, because it contradicts itself, I decided so.

                Это не я так решила, сударь мой, это логика. "Два противоречащих суждения не могут быть одновременно истинными. По крайней мере, одно из них ложно".
                Если принять точку зрения богословов, что писания богодухновенны, то наличие в одной библейской книге утверждения "А равно В", и наличие в другой библейской книге утверждения "А не равно В, а равно 1/2 С и 3/8 D" - выглядит, мягко говоря, странновато. Всеведающий Бог диктует не то, что диктовал до этого? Или у пишущих сей диктант неважно со слухом?
                Interpretation is to turn around and reconcile contradictions.
                Quote: navigator
                And you do not contradict yourself?

                Give me the facts and I admit that you are right.
                Quote: navigator
                By the way, we all read a lot and therefore we often imagine ourselves smarter than others. And whether or not this is a question.

                But there is an incentive to eliminate ignorance and fill the gaps.
                1. navigator
                  navigator 28 October 2015 09: 00 New
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                  Quote: Kahlan Amnell
                  But Bogosov can not be judged? Are theologians such super beings, do they all know and are they faultless? Well right popes. Or is theology exact science and its statements verified by experience? Maybe we will equate mythology with mathematics, physics and astronomy.


                  Well, you certainly are not the pope. Compare with biology.

                  Quote: Kahlan Amnell
                  Or is it unimportant for those who write this dictation to hear? Interpretation is to turn out and reconcile contradictions.


                  Вы всегда так вульгарно выражаетесь?Нет желания Вам что-то доказывать, слишком самоуверенны,всё знаете,всех судите.Это Сократ,в отличии от Вас сказал:"Я знаю,что ничего не знаю".Но Вы не Сократ,Вы учительница.Только я не Ваш ученик и богословие не биология.Вы попутали.

                  Quote: Kahlan Amnell
                  Give me the facts and I admit that you are right.


                  Do not recognize, you will refute, prove your case. Eliminate ignorance and fill in the gaps.
                  1. Kahlan amnell
                    Kahlan amnell 28 October 2015 12: 09 New
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                    Quote: navigator
                    Are you always so vulgarly expressed?

                    And what is vulgarity, Mr. apologist for theology? In spelling things by their proper names?
                    Quote: navigator
                    There is no desire to prove something to you, they are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone.

                    This is already known, as they always say when there is nothing to say in essence.
                    Quote: navigator
                    Это Сократ,в отличии от Вас сказал:"Я знаю,что ничего не знаю".

                    The statement is attributed to Socrates. Other sources attribute it to Democritus. But we will not argue, we agree with Plato and accept Socrates' authorship. And what follows from this?
                    Socrates explained his idea this way: people usually think that they know something, but it turns out that they don't know anything. Thus, it turns out that, knowing about my ignorance, I know more than everyone else. It would seem that the statement contains a logically contradictory statement: if a person does not know anything, then he cannot know that he does not know. This is a kind of attempt to formulate the ratio of the known to the unknown. It can be visualized as follows: imagine that all our knowledge is the internal surface of the sphere, and ignorance is external. The larger our knowledge becomes, the larger the surface area of ​​the sphere becomes, and therefore our “contact” with the unknown.
                    Quote: navigator
                    ... and theology is not biology.

                    И даже не химия. Богословие - "науки" о недоказуемом и непроверяемом несуществующем.
                    Quote: navigator
                    Do not recognize, will refute, prove your case.

                    Would you really want something else? Or do you still risk looking and presenting the facts?
                    Quote: navigator
                    Eliminate ignorance and fill in the gaps.

                    And you join. This is useful.
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                  3. Kahlan amnell
                    Kahlan amnell 28 October 2015 12: 16 New
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                    Quote: navigator
                    Well, you certainly are not the pope. Compare with biology.

                    In other words, be silent, woman, and know your place?
                    1. navigator
                      navigator 28 October 2015 14: 34 New
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                      [quote = Kahlan Amnell] [quote = navigator] Do you always use such vulgar language? [/ quote]
                      And what is vulgarity, Mr. apologist for theology? In spelling things by their proper names?
                      [quote = navigator] There is no desire to prove something to you, they are too self-confident, you know everything, judge everyone. [/ quote]
                      This is already known, as they always say when there is nothing to say in essence.
                      [quote=navigator]Это Сократ,в отличии от Вас сказал:"Я знаю,что ничего не знаю".[/quote]
                      The statement is attributed to Socrates. Other sources attribute it to Democritus. But we will not argue, we agree with Plato and accept Socrates' authorship. And what follows from this?
                      Socrates explained his idea as follows:

                      You played too much, not a lesson in chemistry or biology. I do not need to explain how Socrates explained the idea.

                      [quote = navigator] ... and theology is not biology. [/ quote]
                      И даже не химия. Богословие - "науки" о недоказуемом и непроверяемом несуществующем.

                      That's all. The debate is over.

                      [quote = navigator] Do not recognize, will refute, prove your case. [/ quote]
                      Would you really want something else? Or do you still risk looking and presenting the facts?

                      Risk what? Provide facts? Interpretation of the Bible? And to whom, you, your mind?

                      [quote = Kahlan Amnell] In other words - be silent, woman, and know your place? [/ Quote]


                      Scream, woman, and forget your place. Please do not write your pearls anymore.
                      1. Kahlan amnell
                        Kahlan amnell 28 October 2015 16: 00 New
                        -1
                        Quote: navigator
                        That's all. The debate is over.

                        Quote: navigator
                        Scream, woman, and forget your place. Please do not write your pearls anymore.

                        So we debated. laughing
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        2. samuil60
          samuil60 27 October 2015 20: 19 New
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          When people boast of their illiteracy (and historical, including) - this is a disaster. Yes, a lot of charlatans got divorced. But to consider all the clergy as swindlers, and all believers as idiots, this, fatty, is already the height of stupidity. Then the idiots were Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people. And for two thousand years there have been many who wish to present everything as fiction. As, for example, talk about polls of raped German women in the 45th. But it did not work, And you, comrades, will not work. And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?
          1. Kahlan amnell
            Kahlan amnell 27 October 2015 20: 23 New
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            Quote: samuil60
            And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

            Or very, very surprised ... what repeat smile
          2. Your friend
            Your friend 27 October 2015 20: 48 New
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            Quote: samuil60
            When people boast of their illiteracy (and historical, including) - this is a disaster. Yes, a lot of charlatans got divorced. But to consider all the clergy as swindlers, and all believers as idiots, this, fatty, is already the height of stupidity. Then the idiots were Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people. And for two thousand years there have been many who wish to present everything as fiction. As, for example, talk about polls of raped German women in the 45th. But it did not work, And you, comrades, will not work. And after the death of the body, we will meet and maybe laugh. Or cry?

            How can you laugh or cry after the death of the body?
          3. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 28 October 2015 01: 39 New
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            Quote: samuil60
            Einstein, Curie, Pavlov, Mechnikov, Suvorov, Nakhimov, Bekhterev ... All of them were deeply religious people
            What - Christians and the 9th commandment have already been canceled?
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  9. encarcelado
    encarcelado 27 October 2015 07: 19 New
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    Dear author, most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand. It is necessary to separate the lamb from the goats.

    Everything is clear with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons - these are classic sects. But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations? These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. It's just that in Russia, in the dark, it is customary to consider all but Orthodox and Muslims as sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.

    In short, the author, this world, not dregs.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 27 October 2015 07: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: encarcelado
      But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations?

      To the bonfire for heresy am
      1. encarcelado
        encarcelado 27 October 2015 07: 26 New
        -11
        Quote: Ruslan67
        most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand.
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 27 October 2015 07: 38 New
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      Quote: encarcelado

      What? Is Russia being driven to Protestants? Or who forbade Lutheran churches?
      Do not distort!
    3. arane
      arane 27 October 2015 07: 55 New
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      Quote: encarcelado
      Dear author, most have an extremely superficial understanding of religion, and therefore tend to be aggressive towards what they do not understand. It is necessary to separate the lamb from the goats.

      Everything is clear with Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons - these are classic sects. But what about the Protestants in all their diverse manifestations? These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans, etc. It's just that in Russia, in the dark, it is customary to consider all but Orthodox and Muslims as sects, although these are official mainstream Christian movements. There are as many Baptists in the world as Orthodox.

      In short, the author, this world, not dregs.

      Well, why, in Russia, apart from Muslims and Orthodox Christians, there are a lot of Buddhists, who are in general unmeasured in the world!
      Catholics, Lutherans and other variations of Christianity, yes, these are not sects ..... we just have very few of them, it happened historically!
      So representatives of these faiths do not bother people on the street!
      The goal of creating various sects in the vast majority is to obtain material wealth! At the same time, the adherents themselves, with joy, give away everything that has been acquired through overwork. If memory serves, the Scientology founder Hubboard was asked before his death why he had created it. He honestly answered, make money. His business then did not seem to die out .... the Church of Scientologists (Dianetics) still exists.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 39 New
      +5
      Quote: encarcelado
      These are various evangelists, Baptists, Calvinists, Lutherans

      Ask SI and they will say that all of the above are sects. And at the same time, all these sects do not consider themselves sects, but they consider sectarians of everyone else.
      What kind of sect do you represent?
      1. encarcelado
        encarcelado 27 October 2015 09: 25 New
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        Three sentences, three factual errors.
        1. "Секта - религиозная группа, община, отколовшаяся от господствующей церкви. В переносном смысле — группа лиц, замкнувшихся в своих узких интересах." Протестантизм является одним из господствующих направлений в христианстве. Их более миллиарда. Православных чуть менее трехсот тысяч.
        2. Protestants do not consider Catholics and Orthodox sectarians.
        3. I can’t imagine any sect. Just studied religion.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 27 October 2015 10: 13 New
          -1
          Just studied religion.
          NGOs or grants from Soros?
        2. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 41 New
          0
          Quote: encarcelado
          1. "Секта - религиозная группа, община, отколовшаяся от господствующей церкви. В переносном смысле — группа лиц, замкнувшихся в своих узких интересах.

          By the way, Christianity was considered a sect within the framework of Judaism for about 30 years after the crucifixion of Christ. Historical fact.
          But I generally think that religion in the state should be one. We’ve been living with Muslims for a long time, and even graters are constant. And then Catholics with Protestants climb to us, paid for by the Vatican (By the way, fish are glued onto the trunk of a car). On the basis of differences in religious beliefs, it is convenient to drive a wedge into one nation. Yugoslavia as an example.
        3. Banshee
          Banshee 27 October 2015 15: 00 New
          +1
          But Protestant Catholics are quite.
        4. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 20: 22 New
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          Quote: encarcelado
          Три предложения, три фактические ошибки. 1. "Секта - религиозная группа, община, отколовшаяся от господствующей церкви. В переносном смысле — группа лиц, замкнувшихся в своих узких интересах." Протестантизм является одним из господствующих направлений в христианстве. Их более миллиарда. Православных чуть менее трехсот тысяч.2. Протестанты не считают католиков и православных сектантами.3. Не представляю никакую секту. Просто изучал религиоведение.


          Sly, with your baggage you cannot help but know that a sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

          The fact that quantity does not replace quality, you also cannot know, what is the difference how many Protestants.

          It also does not matter whether Protestants of Catholics and Orthodox sectarians believe or not.
        5. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 20: 22 New
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          Quote: encarcelado
          Три предложения, три фактические ошибки. 1. "Секта - религиозная группа, община, отколовшаяся от господствующей церкви. В переносном смысле — группа лиц, замкнувшихся в своих узких интересах." Протестантизм является одним из господствующих направлений в христианстве. Их более миллиарда. Православных чуть менее трехсот тысяч.2. Протестанты не считают католиков и православных сектантами.3. Не представляю никакую секту. Просто изучал религиоведение.


          Sly, with your baggage you cannot help but know that a sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

          The fact that quantity does not replace quality, you also cannot know, what is the difference how many Protestants.

          It also does not matter whether Protestants of Catholics and Orthodox sectarians believe or not.
    5. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 09: 24 New
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      "Просто у нас в России, по темноте, всех кроме православных и мусульман принято считать сектами, хотя это официальные мейнстримовские христианские течения. Тех же баптистов в мире столько же, сколько православных."

      Количество говорит только о размерах секты,приверженцев Муна тоже миллионы-они тоже,как Вы пишете,"официальные мейнстримовские христианские течения",НИКАКОГО ОТНОШЕНИЯ К ХРИСТИАНСТВУ НЕ ИМЕЮЩИЕ,так же,как и свидетели Иеговы.Если Вы не знаете что такое секта,то просветитесь для начала.Ссылаетесь на многочисленных баптистов,узнайте ,кто они и откуда и почему появились.Тогда и к автору не будет претензий по поводу мути,которой в статье нет.
      1. encarcelado
        encarcelado 27 October 2015 09: 37 New
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        And why is it not related to Christianity? He studied religion for several years, read the Bible in three languages, and studied at the seminary. Are you sure that I should be enlightened, and not vice versa?
        1. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 09: 44 New
          +4
          "А с чего это не имеют отношения к Христианству? Изучал несколько лет религиоведение, читал Библию на трех языках, учился в семинарии. Вы уверены, что это я должен просвящаться, а не наоборот?"

          Абсолютно.Хотя бы по перечню "заслуг",не говоря о незнании темы.
          1. encarcelado
            encarcelado 27 October 2015 10: 20 New
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            Протестантизм имеет отношение к Христианству хотя бы потому, что основан исключительно на Библии. В отличии, скажем, от Католицизма и Православия, где помимо Библии авторитетным источником также считается "предание" - решения пап, патриархов, церковных советов, учения монахов, святых и т.д. По сути, протестантизм, это те же "старые" христианские течения, минус все сало и шлак, которые наросли за два тысячелетия после написания Евангелия. Никаких новых учений и странных толкований там нет.

            I have a reasoned position. Your statements, however, are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter.
            1. navigator
              navigator 27 October 2015 11: 54 New
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              "У меня аргументированная позиция. Ваши заявления же голословны, что не выдает в вас человека разбирающегося в этом вопросе."

              Я просто не хочу тратить время на бессмысленные споры с Вами,в которые Вы пытаетесь втянуть,у Вас же "Изучал несколько лет религиоведение, читал Библию на трех языках, учился в семинарии" и "аргументированная позиция".
            2. EwgenyZ
              EwgenyZ 27 October 2015 21: 15 New
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              encarcelado
              Protestantism is related to Christianity, if only because it is based solely on the Bible. Unlike, say, Catholicism and Orthodoxy


              Do you speak the Bible? And where are the lines in the Bible that homosexuality is charitable?
              "Если кто ляжет с мужчиною, как с женщиною, то оба они сделали мерзость: да будут преданы смерти, кровь их на них." (Левит, 20:13) Уж Вам-то как знатоку, изучающему религиоведения, должны быть знакомы эти строки.
              А теперь эти, "имеющие отношения к Христианству", церкви во главе оправдания греха!
              1. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 28 October 2015 01: 52 New
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                Quote: EwgenyZ
                And where are the lines in the Bible that homosexuality is charitable?
                Там есть другие строки, говорящие, что гомосексуализмом бог наказывает тех, кто познав бога не прославил его как бога, и "славу нетленного бога изменил в образ, подобный тленному человеку" - к римлянам 1:18-28.

                These punished people now apparently realized their unrighteousness and are trying to repent, but for some reason you are unhappy with this ...
            3. Your friend
              Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 40 New
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              Quote: encarcelado
              Протестантизм имеет отношение к Христианству хотя бы потому, что основан исключительно на Библии. В отличии, скажем, от Католицизма и Православия, где помимо Библии авторитетным источником также считается "предание" - решения пап, патриархов, церковных советов, учения монахов, святых и т.д. По сути, протестантизм, это те же "старые" христианские течения, минус все сало и шлак, которые наросли за два тысячелетия после написания Евангелия. Никаких новых учений и странных толкований там нет.

              I have a reasoned position. Your statements, however, are unfounded, which does not betray you as a person versed in this matter.


              Действительно, харизматы - вполне себе протестанты. "Ваще" никаких новых учений и странных толкований там нет. Ага.
        2. Baloo
          Baloo 27 October 2015 10: 14 New
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          What else is really useful for progressive humanity that you credit yourself besides waving to the enemies of Russia?
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 42 New
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          Quote: encarcelado
          studied at the seminary.

          What branch of Christianity do you consider your faith?
          1. encarcelado
            encarcelado 27 October 2015 10: 56 New
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            I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination. I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings. This probably makes me closer to the Protestants.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 31 New
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              Quote: encarcelado
              I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination.

              That is, you are a logician. Maybe then you will be closer to the teachings of the Gnostics, not Protestants?
            2. navigator
              navigator 27 October 2015 15: 42 New
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              Quote: encarcelado
              I prefer not to focus on a particular denomination. I try to adhere exclusively to the Bible without additional teachings



              Specialist of a wide profile.
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        1. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 11: 59 New
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          "Мы уже на "ты" )) Ну хорошо, браток. Давай я тебе на пальцах растолкую - ты фуфло не толкай, ежели в теме не шаришь. Ты сколько таких организаций знаешь лично и во скольких был, чтобы рот свой разевать и на честных пацанов гнать. За базар отвечать надо, а за аватаром с погоном может любой петух шкериться."

          Цитата из песни:"Круче фени в зоне не слыхал",молодец.Вот истинный богослов, который пишет:"Стараюсь придерживаться исключительно Библии без дополнительных учений. Вероятно это делает меня ближе к протестантам."
          1. encarcelado
            encarcelado 27 October 2015 12: 15 New
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            And I'm not a theologian. Yes, even if it were, knowledge of the great and powerful as well as the use of irony does not detract from the latter.
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        3. Independent
          Independent 27 October 2015 12: 00 New
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          Quote: encarcelado
          Мы уже на "ты" )) Ну хорошо, браток. Давай я тебе на пальцах растолкую - ты фуфло не толкай, ежели в теме не шаришь. Ты сколько таких организаций знаешь лично и во скольких был, чтобы рот свой разевать и на честных пацанов гнать. За базар отвечать надо, а за аватаром с погоном может любой петух шкериться.

          Oh, Mr. Protestant not only mastered the history of religions, but also Fenya in full. There were good teachers.
    8. Baloo
      Baloo 27 October 2015 10: 12 New
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      These sects are someone's business. Turchinov’s merits we know. The oligophrenic who killed the Armenian family in Gyumri, the son of the leader of the Baptist church in Siberia. The crime was committed on the holiday of the sect; to tell.
    9. Petrol
      Petrol 27 October 2015 12: 18 New
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      encarcelado
      THAT ONE Crap all these currents
  10. kimanas
    kimanas 27 October 2015 07: 21 New
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    These crooked witnesses are especially active in the province. In our town the number of such western parishes is equal to the sum of a mosque plus churches.
  11. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 27 October 2015 07: 24 New
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    Эти тётки часто около больницы отирались,когда я с переломом был.Они посетителей "ловили",чтобы их родственников исцелить,мама их ругала и говорила,что врачи сами хорошо лечат , если хотят больным помочь--пусть дорожки подметут.
    1. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 09: 46 New
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      "Эти тётки часто около больницы отирались,когда я с переломом был.Они посетителей "ловили",чтобы их родственников исцелить,мама их ругала и говорила,что врачи сами хорошо лечат , если хотят больным помочь--пусть дорожки подметут."

      Well done Your mom, this is the most effective method.
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  12. parusnik
    parusnik 27 October 2015 07: 28 New
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    Want to cut the dough, come up with a religion ...
  13. KBACYPA
    KBACYPA 27 October 2015 07: 29 New
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    Несколько лет назад в дверь постучались проповедники. Одна бабушка божий одуванчик, вторая весьма сексапильная девушка. Девушка мне понравилась, решил попробовать её из секты вытащить. Полтора месяца я ходил на их сборища и сделал важный вывод: в секте хорошо людям бесхребетным и потерянным. Если есть у человека сила воли, если есть что-то, что он ценит в этом мире, если есть хоть толика способностей воспринимать информацию через призму критики _ никакой мозгопромыв с ним не справится. А место дислокации они сменили. Прихожу в очередной раз - а их там нет. Теперь если эти сектанты на улице меня спрашивают: "Хотите ли вы поговорить о боге?" я отвечаю: "А что обо мне говорить?" Так забавно смотреть при этом на их рожи...
  14. ivan3211
    ivan3211 27 October 2015 07: 40 New
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    People, do you hear yourself? Are you ready to drive people who differ from you in religious grounds, burn their books, put them in jail ... And then what ...? On the thumb ..?
    You, who do not have a drop of faith, but who have fastened crosses on their necks, instead of amulets. Who gave you the right to slander those who at least try to save their soul, to fulfill the will of their God?
    What sins are committed Witnesses to commit persecution against them, why does the flywheel begin to unwind in Russia ??? Specifically, according to the Christian faith, what sins ???
    You. ready to break, not wanting to be like you, do you know WHY did Jesus come ??? Do you know WHAT He teaches ???
    You don’t give a damn about it! People like you killed Christ!
    The most primitive article .... but not scribble. Besides the negative to the Witnesses, what is it about? What spiritual experience does the author have in order to express opinions on such issues? What does he himself believe in?
    Why did he even post an article, and even without having studied publicly available information?

    Or is that not true? -
    And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that "Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents."
    Or is this not true? - The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, whom Mr. Lukin was at that time, went even further, saying:

    Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
    И еще одно, касаемо детей, о судьбе которых вы так "переживаете"- посмотрите на своих лучше- на чем они растут и воспитываются- на христианских принципах и нормах? НЕТ! Так идите и займитесь бревном в своем глазу, ревнитили веры.......
    1. 1536
      1536 27 October 2015 08: 02 New
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      Вера у русского человека одна - православная. За нее наши предки жизнь отдавали, Россию строили. В что строят эти сектанты? Потусторонний мир? Сидите в самом себе в сугубо личном мире, я программист и могу жить где хочу, где больше платят там мне хорошо? А "эта" страна мне мешает погрузиться в себя.
      Such reasoning is the way to the death of the soul. I repeat the faith of the Russians alone - Orthodox. No one is imposing her, but we will not let her be betrayed. And let these sectarians go to the city of Grozny, campaign, if they have time.
      1. ivan3211
        ivan3211 27 October 2015 08: 24 New
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        Quote: 1536
        The faith of the Russian person is one - Orthodox.

        Please outline briefly the principles of your Orthodox faith. What do you believe in and what you won’t let betray? And you can find out right away, where do you get knowledge about the truth?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 41 New
          +5
          Quote: ivan3211
          Please outline briefly the principles of your Orthodox faith. What do you believe in and what you won’t let betray? And you can find out right away, where do you get knowledge about the truth?

          Che decided to ruin or tell about Jehovah?
          1. ivan3211
            ivan3211 27 October 2015 08: 45 New
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            Flood moderator not by status, sort of?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 48 New
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              Quote: ivan3211
              Flood moderator not by status, sort of?

              I received my minus happily. Jehovah, give my regards to Washington
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                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 09: 20 New
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                  Quote: ivan3211
                  !! Come inside, flood.

                  You will not be on the site for long lol
        2. 1536
          1536 27 October 2015 10: 06 New
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          Уважаемый, вера у человека в душе, а открывать душу первому встречному-поперечному у нас не принято. И потом, научитесь дискуссии вести, я с вами на брудершафт не пил и на "ты" не переходил.
          1. ivan3211
            ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 21 New
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            Quote: 1536
            Уважаемый, вера у человека в душе, а открывать душу первому встречному-поперечному у нас не принято. И потом, научитесь дискуссии вести, я с вами на брудершафт не пил и на "ты" не переходил.

            Не в состоянии сказать "Б"- не нужно говорить "А", тем-более в самом серьезном вопросе. На каком основании я должен тебе "выкать"? Чем тебя оскорбило -ты?
            1. 1536
              1536 27 October 2015 11: 30 New
              +3
              On you turn to strangers. You eat soup with a spoon, not with your hands, I hope? This is just a leading question.
              1. ivan3211
                ivan3211 27 October 2015 15: 14 New
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                From time immemorial, in Russia they turned to you, and even to the rulers! To God and Jesus, in prayers how are they addressed ???
                А "вы" это пришло, с ненавистного ВАМИ, запада.
                I repeat the question, what hurt you, you ???
      2. encarcelado
        encarcelado 27 October 2015 09: 31 New
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        Двести лет назад такой как ты сказал бы, что вера русского человека это старообрядчество. А тысячу лет назад - что язычество. Замени слово "православный" на "ислам", а "русский человек" на "татарин" - получится то же самое. Какое то клише, тупое и безмозглое.
        1. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 10: 12 New
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          "Двести лет назад такой как ты сказал бы, что вера русского человека это старообрядчество. А тысячу лет назад - что язычество. Замени слово "православный" на "ислам", а "русский человек" на "татарин" - получится то же самое. Какое то клише, тупое и безмозглое."

          Did they teach you how to express yourself at the seminary, or does the Bible teach you to condemn? As for the substitution of words. Words are refuted by words who refute life. Words can be changed, but the content of these words is not. And reading the Holy Scriptures in three languages ​​and three years in the seminary, and you don’t see the difference between Orthodoxy, paganism, Islam. It did not help, it’s sad.
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    2. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 27 October 2015 08: 17 New
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      Quote: ivan3211
      You, who do not have a drop of faith, but who have fastened crosses on their necks, instead of amulets. Who gave you the right to slander those who at least try to save their soul, to fulfill the will of their God?


      А откуда, Вы, знаете, сколько " капель веры" есть у нас?! Лично я не против, чтобы СИ " исполняли волю СВОЕГО Бога", но при этом не желаю, чтобы они пытались обратить меня в свою веру. Ответьте, пожалуйста на вопрос: почему ни католики, ни православные, ни протестанты не стоят на улицах, не ходят по домам, не звонят по телефонам, не навязывают другим свою веру?!
      1. ivan3211
        ivan3211 27 October 2015 08: 41 New
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        Quote: B.T.W.
        Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants stand on the streets, do not go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!

        Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!
        “And Jesus said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you be fishers of men” (Mark 1:17), said Jesus to Simon and Andrew, “to the Apostles.” Many parables told by Jesus, namely about the obligation of a believing person to carry the Good News about what Jesus revealed to them, about himself, about His Father, about the Kingdom of Heaven, which awaits those who love God.
        And the fact that the Witnesses are accused of obsession, we are all not without sin .... But why then are you silent about imposed from all sides, outright devilry, love of money and your passions and desires? Where is your indignation?
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 27 October 2015 08: 45 New
          +7
          Quote: ivan3211
          Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!
          “And Jesus said unto them, Follow me, and I will make you be fishers of men” (Mark 1:17), said Jesus to Simon and Andrew, “to the Apostles.” Many parables told by Jesus, namely about the obligation of a believing person to carry the Good News about what Jesus revealed to them, about himself, about His Father, about the Kingdom of Heaven, which awaits those who love God.



          Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 08: 48 New
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            Quote: B.T.W.
            Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

            Tanya is a sectarian. They constantly tear out what is needed from the Bible and quote. Hello hi
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 27 October 2015 08: 53 New
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              Привет, Саша! Да я поняла ещё по первому комменту, что он " представитель". Просто интересно было, насколько его хватит, без ссылок на Библию.
              1. ivan3211
                ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 28 New
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                Quote: B.T.W.
                Да я поняла ещё по первому комменту, что он " представитель

                Если вы об организации "Свидетили Иеговы"- то я в ней не состою, не состоял И да же не ходил к ним ни разу.
                1. 1536
                  1536 27 October 2015 11: 32 New
                  +1
                  So go away! You'll like it. Right
                2. Independent
                  Independent 27 October 2015 12: 43 New
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                  Quote: ivan3211
                  Если вы об организации "Свидетили Иеговы"- то я в ней не состою, не состоял И да же не ходил к ним ни разу.

                  But I read manuals.
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              1. taram taramych
                taram taramych 27 October 2015 13: 30 New
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                Определение "секты", забейте в поисковик и выберите вариант, который вас устроит.
                Quote: Boris55
                who decides which prophecies we should know and which not?

                The synod of the Russian Orthodox Church.
            3. ivan3211
              ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 26 New
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              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Tanya is a sectarian. They constantly tear out what is needed from the Bible and quote

              You'd better fill the head with the Bible ...
          2. ivan3211
            ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 22 New
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            Quote: B.T.W.
            Sorry, but this is not the answer to my question, but an attempt to impose my opinion.

            Your question?-
            Quote: B.T.W.
            Please answer the question: why neither Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants stand on the streets, do not go home, do not phone, do not impose their faith on others ?!
            The lamb is simpler and shorter, because the Witnesses try to fulfill the will of God, and those who do not go and do not tell do not fulfill the will of God. Everything is clearly and clearly stated in the Bible — why are you not using this book?
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 27 October 2015 09: 38 New
              +5
              Quote: ivan3211
              because the Witnesses try to fulfill the will of God, and those who do not go and do not tell do not fulfill the will of God


              Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.
              1. ivan3211
                ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 23 New
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                Quote: B.T.W.
                Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.

                But about the fact that, simply, God is who He is and what He wants from us, Jesus obliges his followers to tell all people according to the will of their Father! All of this is stated in the Bible, and you, as a baptized person, should not be ashamed of this to know .... It should be ....., but it’s not a shame.
                1. B.T.V.
                  B.T.V. 27 October 2015 10: 32 New
                  +3
                  Quote: ivan3211
                  telling all people


                  And do not impose. Why should I be ashamed of the fact that I do not know the Bible by heart ?! Do you know everything by heart or pull out what is needed from the text and present it as the ultimate truth ?!
                  1. ivan3211
                    ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 47 New
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                    Quote: B.T.W.
                    Why should I be ashamed of the fact that I do not know the Bible by heart ?!

                    За то что Библия для вас не авторитет и не Боговдохновенная книга! За то что вы не хотите даже знать о чем она, при этом называя себя очищенной -"крещенной", и верующей.
                    1. B.T.V.
                      B.T.V. 27 October 2015 11: 01 New
                      +3
                      Quote: ivan3211
                      За то что Библия для вас не авторитет и не Боговдохновенная книга! За то что вы не хотите даже знать о чем она, при этом называя себя очищенной -"крещенной", и верующей.


                      I try, if possible, to treat people the way I would like to be treated, therefore: God grant you health!
                2. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 28 October 2015 04: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: ivan3211
                  It should be ....., but it’s not a shame.

                  I have a feeling - goodbye fool. punched .. wassat
              2. Uncle Joe
                Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 12: 37 New
                0
                Quote: B.T.W.
                Man himself must want to come to God, and the imposition of his faith everywhere and everywhere is an elementary violence against a person.
                16.08.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Patriarch Kirill: Liberal press thwarts catechesis at school
                Therefore, under President Medvedev had to make a compromise decision - on teaching the foundations of the cultures of religions or secular ethics, said the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.

                http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2012/08/16/patriarh_rpc_aktiviziruet_s
                otrudnichestvo_s_gosudarstvom_v
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 56 New
              +5
              Quote: ivan3211
              Witnesses try to do God's will

              In his interpretation of understanding the will of God. They have no such thing as defending their homeland with weapons in their hands. Relight for them is a sinner.
              In most countries, this sect is prohibited, but this ban does not prevent sectarians from printing Russian-language booklets in these countries. From my point of view, Jehovah’s are one link in a chain of various combinations whose purpose is the decomposition of the integrity of the mentality of the Russian people.
              Pagan views still have a Russian nature, Jehovah's Witnesses - Western.
        2. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 27 October 2015 09: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: ivan3211
          Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! AND


          А вот лично я, считаю, что следование 10 заповедям и золотому правилу: " так во всём, как хотите, чтобы с вами поступали люди, так поступайте и вы с ними", намного лучше сделало бы большую часть человечества.
          1. ivan3211
            ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 25 New
            -5
            Quote: B.T.W.
            А вот лично я, считаю, что следование 10 заповедям и золотому правилу: " так во всём, как хотите, чтобы с вами поступали люди, так поступайте и вы с ними", намного лучше сделало бы большую часть человечества.
            And why do not you adhere to these principles?
            1. B.T.V.
              B.T.V. 27 October 2015 09: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: ivan3211
              And why do not you adhere to these principles?


              Are you a psychic ?! Otherwise, how do you know what principles I follow ?!
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            1. ivan3211
              ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 16 New
              -3
              Quote: Boris55
              “Do not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not leave without punishment the one who pronounces His name in vain ”(Exodus 20: 7).
              They used to swear in the name of God, Jehovah. In vain means falsely, whining.
              Jesus brought two new commandments that are above all - the Lord our God is the one Lord; and love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength - this is the first commandment! The second is like her: love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these. Mark 12: 29-31
            2. Banshee
              Banshee 27 October 2015 15: 12 New
              +4
              Quote: Boris55
              I hope that the moderator is not against the quotations from the Bible?


              Moderator in shock. Boris, burn more.
        3. free
          free 27 October 2015 09: 22 New
          +1
          you have problems, do you know?
        4. voronbel53
          voronbel53 27 October 2015 10: 07 New
          +4
          Vanya, you didn’t get there - you don’t have pulp ...
        5. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 15: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: ivan3211
          Because Jesus commanded his followers to bring the light of truth to people! He who has the truth-MANDATED-by Christian principles, testify to this !!!


          Совершенно верно,только делами,а не кричать об этом на всех углах и форумах."Вера без дел мертва".
    3. Same lech
      Same lech 27 October 2015 08: 25 New
      +2
      And the Canadian representative office of the Reuters news agency issued material stating that "Russia is using laws on extremism against dissidents."


      well if only these dissenters are moderate or white and furry terrorists then yes.
    4. voronbel53
      voronbel53 27 October 2015 09: 18 New
      +2
      Vanya, go to bed ...
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    6. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 10: 01 New
      +3
      "А канадское представительство информационного агентства Reuters выдало материал о том, что «Россия использует законы об экстремизме против инакомыслящих».
      Or is this not true? - The Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation, whom Mr. Lukin was at that time, went even further, saying:

      Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
      И еще одно, касаемо детей, о судьбе которых вы так "переживаете"- посмотрите на своих лучше- на чем они растут и воспитываются- на христианских принципах и нормах? НЕТ! Так идите и займитесь бревном в своем глазу, ревнитили веры......."

      And to you, witness ....... by all means to Canada! And do not lie about the persecution of faith. We are talking about the dominance of prolific totalitarian sects.
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    8. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 45 New
      +5
      Quote: ivan3211
      What sins are committed Witnesses to commit persecution against them, why does the flywheel begin to unwind in Russia ???

      В годы ВОВ они отказывались брать оружие в руки, с девизом "непротивление злу насилием". А это прямое предательство Родины.
      1. ivan3211
        ivan3211 27 October 2015 11: 08 New
        -3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        В годы ВОВ они отказывались брать оружие в руки, с девизом "непротивление злу насилием". А это прямое предательство Родины.
        Witnesses have a Homeland-New World that will come after Armageddon. And the rulers are Jehovah and Jesus.
        It seems like all Christians should be so, if honestly of course ....
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 38 New
          +2
          Quote: ivan3211
          It seems like all Christians should be so, if honestly of course ....

          And how will Muslims react to this? They are not followers of the substitution of the other cheek, and they perceive weakness with adequacy. With the ideology of the Jehovahs, armageddon will come for us much earlier. And the hordes of Satan will replace crowds of fanatics under the black banner of jihad. Have not you thought?
          1. ivan3211
            ivan3211 27 October 2015 13: 46 New
            -2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            With the ideology of the Jehovahs, armageddon will come for us much earlier. And the hordes of Satan will replace crowds of fanatics under the black banner of jihad. Have not you thought?

            The ideology of Jehovah's followers is to fulfill the will of the Creator of the universe, the creator of man. To fulfill the will of the One Who absolutely everything belongs to which we can only reach our mind! Christ has repeatedly claimed that he does the will of his Father, and does nothing on his own! And they expected from him that he is the Messiah, will lead a rebellion against the Romans, and he allowed himself to be captured, and executed.
            Here is an example for any REAL Christian. “Whoever wants to follow Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow Me” (Mark 8:34). “This is what the Bible teaches.”
            And you are all about worldly things, but worldly things. And do you know how the Bible ends? What will the Lord do to the earth? Do not be lazy, read the last book of Revelation.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 16: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: ivan3211
              And you are all about worldly things, but worldly things.

              Well, yes, I still have to live and need to raise children.
              На Бога надейся, но сам не плошай. А вот это делают с теми, кто выбрал путь "непротивления злу насилием".
      2. DenZ
        DenZ 27 October 2015 12: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        В годы ВОВ они отказывались брать оружие в руки, с девизом "непротивление злу насилием". А это прямое предательство Родины.

        Увы, не все так просто. Особенно насчет предательства. Человек искренно верующий- для него в первую очередь божьи дела значение имеют. Понятие "Родина" у него не на первом месте. Потому как Свидетели отказывались брать оружие предателями их считать нельзя. Немцы потом их же в концлагеря сгоняли (фиолетовая нашивка- отличительный знак Свидетелей Иеговы в немецких концлагерях).С точки зрения патриотически настроенного человека их можно ну максимум назвать малохольными, но никак не предателями.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 12: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: DenZ
          Понятие "Родина" у него не на первом месте.

          This is the true goal of people who allocate huge sums of money to expensive printing products, which Jehovahists give out without stint.
        2. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 21: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: DenZ
          Человек искренно верующий- для него в первую очередь божьи дела значение имеют. Понятие "Родина" у него не на первом месте.


          Why are you talking about sincere believers?
          "Прощай врагов своих, сокрушай врагов Отечества, гнушайся врагов Божиих" Святитель Филарет Московский

          Defend the homeland holy.
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      4. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 12: 47 New
        -1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        В годы ВОВ они отказывались брать оружие в руки, с девизом "непротивление злу насилием". А это прямое предательство Родины.
        The hierarchs of the old, still tsarist, Orthodox Church openly supported the Nazis.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 12: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle Joe
          The hierarchs of the old, still tsarist, Orthodox Church openly supported the Nazis.

          Like some generals of the Soviet army. But in these cases, the betrayal was committed by individuals, not by all.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 14: 35 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Like some generals of the Soviet army. But in these cases, the betrayal was committed by individuals and not by all
            Exactly.

            В то время, как поддержка Гитлера являлась официальной политикой РПЦЗ. А это совсем не то же самое, что отказ от службы, пусть по "кривым", но все-таки идеологическим соображениям (РПЦЗ сотрудничала с нацистами, а иеговисты - нет)

            By the way:

            16.06.2009/68/XNUMX On the eve of the XNUMXth anniversary of the Nazi attack on the Soviet Union, a discussion began in the Russian media about the significance of the Great Patriotic War from the point of view of the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC). The reason was the statement of the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill that the war was God's punishment for the crimes of the Bolsheviks against the Church.

            For the first time, the Patriarch expressed the idea that the war was a punishment for the apostasy of the people on May 6, on the eve of Victory Day.
            http://www.ng.ru/editorial/2009-06-16/2_red.html
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 28 October 2015 04: 53 New
            +2
            Очень извиняюсь за минус,Ингвар, случайно. на самом деле я тут с вами согласна. Просто в отчаяньи - как люди обсуждают неизвестную для них тему. Я вот не смыслю в вооружении, так и молчу, только читаю - многое интересно. А насчёт веры - именно обсуждение глухих со слепыми, кроме некоторых понимающих. Только одно о "свидетелях" - лжесвидетели они, и уже в том виновны, что имя Бога - Иегова- старательно превращают в посмешище, с них за это спросится, не говоря о лжи, погубленных жизнях, разделении семей и отбирании имущества у своих наивных членов.Кстати сказать, ни сам Иисус, ни апостолы никогда насильно ни к кому с проповедями не влезали, наоборот, за ними ходили, к себе приглашали. Иисус даже исцелял не всех подряд, а тех, кто Его просил. hi
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 28 October 2015 09: 28 New
              0
              Quote: housewife
              I really apologize for the minus, Ingvar

              It's okay, rating is not the main thing. laughing In fact, I agree with you. drinks
          3. a housewife
            a housewife 28 October 2015 04: 53 New
            0
            Очень извиняюсь за минус,Ингвар, случайно. на самом деле я тут с вами согласна. Просто в отчаяньи - как люди обсуждают неизвестную для них тему. Я вот не смыслю в вооружении, так и молчу, только читаю - многое интересно. А насчёт веры - именно обсуждение глухих со слепыми, кроме некоторых понимающих. Только одно о "свидетелях" - лжесвидетели они, и уже в том виновны, что имя Бога - Иегова- старательно превращают в посмешище, с них за это спросится, не говоря о лжи, погубленных жизнях, разделении семей и отбирании имущества у своих наивных членов.Кстати сказать, ни сам Иисус, ни апостолы никогда насильно ни к кому с проповедями не влезали, наоборот, за ними ходили, к себе приглашали. Иисус даже исцелял не всех подряд, а тех, кто Его просил. hi
    9. Independent
      Independent 27 October 2015 12: 38 New
      +7
      Quote: ivan3211
      You who have not a drop of faith

      Yes, it somehow happened that we do not have a drop of your faith, but we have our own. And what right you have to impose yours on us and to blame our faith and our beliefs, citing as an example the opinion of the Canadian representation of the news agency.
      Quote: ivan3211
      Criminal persecution of a religious organization and its representatives for the open use of their religious literature is a method that brings back to memory the Soviet practice of persecution for the faith.
      И еще одно, касаемо детей, о судьбе которых вы так "переживаете"- посмотрите на своих лучше- на чем они растут и воспитываются- на христианских принципах и нормах? НЕТ! Так идите и займитесь бревном в своем глазу, ревнитили веры..

      Well, how can one not insert Soviet practice. Well, how can one not point out the log in his eye. But nothing that we do not want you to cripple the souls of our children? You earn money on this according to manuals, for example, from Canada. But we live in Russia and already, as in the 90s, we don’t want to believe in what. Gentlemen of sectarians, until you become a danger to society, nobody touches you. And your howl, which you raised from reading the article, speaks of repeated pinching of the tail. Because, like your NGOs, the people are already across the throat. And do not confuse cutlets with flies. Denominations in Russia operate. Everyone believes what he wants. For example, no one forbids Islam. But radical Islam is illegal. So how do you differ from radical Islamists? With oil voices. We are, like, not a sect, we are an organization. There are, of course, fools who still believe you. Yes, I would like to ask you. And why are all the head offices of all sects located in the west, in America, Canada? Nestykovochka, gentlemen, champions of freedom. Whose freedom are degenerates and sellers fighting for?
      1. ivan3211
        ivan3211 27 October 2015 14: 46 New
        -6
        Уже с пол часа пытаюсь ответить-но выдает только-"Сообщение содержит недопустимый к публикации текст"- что это значит? Само-собой написал все чинно-благородно, но.............
        А так-то если прочитать мои комменты к статье, и ничего не домысливать-типа "между строк"- то на все ваши вопросы, там есть ответы.
        And I’m curious right now, but what are you independent from ???
  15. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 27 October 2015 07: 45 New
    +5
    And where our Church is looking. Frozen in greatness. It is their business to fight sects. They anathematized a couple of human rights activists of sectarians and everything will be clear right away, and so should Muslims. This infection must be burned immediately and forever. Need propaganda from them. And deeds and words are just words. Need a deal. And the impression is that the Russian Orthodox Church is a commercial organization.
    1. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 07: 53 New
      -9
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      And where our Church is looking.

      And where is your church looking, full of information on the internet. You can, for example, read Kuraev’s blog ... Or just open your eyes wider and look around ...)
    2. EFA
      EFA 27 October 2015 08: 59 New
      +4
      Our church is no better. I am a believer, I go to church - rarely, but I go. This is me for understanding is simple.
      So.
      We were at Easter in 2014 in Sergiev Posad and what did I see there? Here are two examples:

      1. Жена решила купить браслет серебряный, стоит у прилавка (в церковной лавке, хотя как по мне это больше бутик) выбирает основательно, ибо дорого - жуть. И диалог значит ведет с "продавцом", а вот такой у вас есть, а вот этот покажите, а вон тот дайте посмотреть. После минут пяти, "продавец" заявляет совсем так уже не смиренно "ну вы будете брать или нет!?", Жена от такой неожиданности резонно ей заявляет: "Я хочу потратить деньги за товар, и хочу его рассмотреть, я покупатель и имею на это право, я же хочу купить, а вы продаете - в чем проблема". Ответ удивил даже меня: "Вы не покупаете - вы жертвуете". Кроме прочего, в "бутике" обнаружились портреты Кирилла стоимостью в 127 000 рублей, и портрет Путина, правда за 97 000. В чем разница, я так и не понял, потому как размер и исполнение одинаково.

      2. После такого казуса пошли гулять по комплексу. И вот надо же так случиться, приехал кто-то туда, сановник церковный, похоже САМ Кирюша пожаловал, а народу много было, въезд на территорию запрещен, но для "своих" не проблема, так такому разгону верующих перед бронированным мерседесом позавидовали бы даже чиновники. Без церемонно, даже с матом.

      Since then he has sworn to go to large churches. I’ll be better as before, in my little village walk, where I was baptized.

      Возращаясь к теме вашего поста, "Куда церковь то смотрит". Да ей это не надо, пока бизнес они не отжимают и конкуренции не ставят - можно не замечать.

      Unfortunately.
    3. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 10: 19 New
      +2
      "А куда Церьковь наша то смотрит. Застыла в величии. Это их дело борьба с сектами. Предали анафеме пару правозащитников сектантов и сразу всё ясно будет,так же и мусульмане должны делать. Эту заразу надо жечь сразу и навсегда. Нужна пропоганда от них. И дела а слова просто слова. Нужно дело. А то такое впечатление что РПЦ это комерческая организация."

      The church did not freeze in greatness, and clarifies the essence of these sects and fights with them. It does not burn, as you suggest, it does not shoot sectarians from AK. It differs from sects in that it does not impose, but calls. Propaganda is a method of sects that and there are commercial organizations, it’s known who financed them. And to see this, you just have to go to church regularly.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: navigator
        .And to see this, you just need to go to church regularly.

        So this is the problem, because in large cities the church has turned into a closed joint-stock company, in which commercial and commercial activities have come to the fore.
        We have already argued about the need for the observance of Christian canons by clergy. Otherwise, they simply do not have the right to carry the word of God.
        P.S. You didn’t answer last time - what do Diomede disagree with? hi
        1. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 11: 26 New
          0
          "Так вот в этом и проблема, т.к в крупных городах церковь превратилась в ЗАО, у которого торгово-коммерческая деятельность вышла на первый план.
          Мы с Вами уже спорили по поводу необходимости соблюдения Христианских канонов священнослужителями. Иначе они просто не имеют права нести слово Бога."

          Кто спорит,вопрос в правильности оценки.Я тоже читал про балет и смотрю на балерин и говорю:"неправильно танцуете,и фигура у Вас не такая,как надо,не должны вы так танцевать".Вы путаете Божий дар с яичницей,требуя от священнослужителей не ездить на транспорте,не брать ни за что денег,питаться воздухом,потому что .....Вы так каноны православные трактуете.И споры-дело неблагодарное,в них истина не рождается.Слоганы "церковь превратилась в ЗАО, у которого торгово-коммерческая деятельность вышла на первый план" уже набили оскомину.


          "П.С. Вы в прошлый раз так и не ответили - с чем у Диомида не согласны?"

          And I’m not going to, the topic is too complicated for you, you still won’t understand, since you still haven’t understood it, you are a worldly person. I already explained this to you, but you didn’t understand. And you can troll as much as you like, it doesn’t affect me. in opinions, Ingvar72. therefore, do not get me anymore, please.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: navigator
            demanding that the clergy not to go to the tarnsport, not to take money for anything, to eat air,
            Close this did not require. He demanded compliance with Christian canons and spoke about the inadmissibility of tariffs for church services. It is services, not church goods, such as icons, candles, crosses.
            Quote: navigator
            .And you can troll as much as you like, it doesn’t affect me

            This is not trolling, it is an attempt to answer the cornerstone question. If you do not want to answer, say so. hi
            P.S. When answering, highlight a part of the text and click quote, so the opponent’s quotes will be separated and with a signature.
            1. navigator
              navigator 27 October 2015 12: 05 New
              +1
              "П.С. Отвечая, выделяйте часть текста и нажимайте цитировать, так цитаты оппонента будут отделенными и с подписью."

              Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 12: 50 New
                0
                Quote: navigator
                Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

                First press - answer. Then, having selected a fragment, press - to quote. And if at once - to quote, then yes, at the end of the branch. hi
                1. navigator
                  navigator 27 October 2015 12: 59 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: navigator
                  Thanks for the advice, I did so, but for some reason, they are inserted at the end of the branch and the person to whom you write does not see them.

                  First press - answer. Then, having selected a fragment, press - to quote. And if at once - to quote, then yes, at the end of the branch. hi


                  Thank you very much.
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        3. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 11: 47 New
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          Ответил,но модераторы:"error: no perms"
        4. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 11: 47 New
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          Ответил,но модераторы:"error: no perms"
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  16. morozik
    morozik 27 October 2015 07: 49 New
    +9
    A holy place is never empty, there is no God in the soul, Satan will sit down
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  18. cniza
    cniza 27 October 2015 08: 32 New
    +5
    The author spoke about the fact that many people know and have encountered this manifestation of obscurantism, but what to do? how to resist and who should do this?
    Как то же она пересекла границу , коль издана в Испании , а значит не запрещена в России , это с позволения сказать "литературка" и т. д. Сначала закон , потом его исполнение и контроль за исполнением. Если продолжать терпеть такие действия , а больше всего СИ в США, они будут действовать более нагло и их цель развал России.
  19. Neophyte
    Neophyte 27 October 2015 08: 58 New
    +8
    Судя по некоторым комментам,на ВО "затесались" жалкие йеговисты или еще какие-то
    sectarians. Guys, in the courtyard of the 21st century, and you still believe in Kuzyu and American gods!
    1. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 09: 30 New
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      Quote: Neophyte
      Guys, in the courtyard of the 21st century,

      And who do you believe in, wooden man? )
  20. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 27 October 2015 09: 02 New
    +7

    Ivan3211
    Иван, что же Вы так нервничаете? Хочется Вам быть свидетелем Иегова - будьте. Других не надо в секту зазывать. Есть такая интересная брошюра - "Религиозное сектанство в России". Почитайте. Там, видимо, и про Вас написано.
    Incidentally, when they come up to these adherents, I do not refuse attention. Maybe I’m not lucky, but some stupid and uneducated people come across. You start to ask them questions, they are not that answer, they can not understand the question.
    And to conduct their activities with US money is bad manners.
    Случилось мне служить в середине 90-х в одном гарнизоне. Турки на деньги ФРГ строили дома для военнослужащих. Одна жена офицера была активисткой свидетелей Иегова, все проповедывала. Уволенный прапор был у них за главного (видимо, решил делать карьеру на новом поприще). Когда пришло время распределять квартиры, комдив, не мудрстуя лукаво, их из списков вычеркнул и написал резолюцию: "квартиры не давать, жена бабтистка". И куда все поделось. Тут же предали свои сектантские идеи и успокоились. Думаю, и секта их после этого развалилась.
    That is the faith.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 22 New
      +4
      Quote: Army 2
      . You start to ask them questions, they are not that answer, they can not understand the question.

      After such a failure, an older jehovahist came to me after such a failure. They chatted an hour with him, and after that they did not foot to me! laughing
  21. Neophyte
    Neophyte 27 October 2015 09: 09 New
    +7
    Вообще,бабки-йеговистки очень настырные,ломятся во все щели!Подходит такая особь и задает некий вопрос,а я ей типа-верю в Даждь бога или еще что.У особи сразу исчезает интерес,да и с образованием у этих проповедниц "истинной веры"не все в порядке!
    1. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 27 New
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      Quote: Neophyte
      Вообще,бабки-йеговистки очень настырные,ломятся во все щели!Подходит такая особь и задает некий вопрос,а я ей типа-верю в Даждь бога или еще что.У особи сразу исчезает интерес,да и с образованием у этих проповедниц "истинной веры"не все в порядке!
      Who do you believe in, wooden head ??? The dad Carlo and the ax?
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 27 October 2015 19: 55 New
      0
      About 5 years ago, I drove off two of these from our entrance for the third time, threatening to turn me over to the police. Last week, a letter was planted in the mailbox inviting me to pray and regret that we had not found it at home. Subscriber box number left. Either 84, or 86. Now I read the discussion and thought that I had thrown the letter in vain, I had to send it to the FSB.
  22. vladnn2015
    vladnn2015 27 October 2015 09: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Mahmut
    man go to yug!

    И их надо посылать в далекие края! Ничего, кроме беды, с ними (СИ) не будет! И вообще, непонятно, почему их не запретят на законодательном уровне? Почему в СМИ, школах, институтах не ведут разъяснения о пагубности общения с такими "свидетелями", не объясняют, что нужно делать, если к тебе обратился такой "проповедник"?
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  24. DenZ
    DenZ 27 October 2015 09: 44 New
    +3
    Книжки, кстати Свидетелей Иеговы. Вобшем довольно безобидные ребята-по сути. Ходил к ним какое-то время, Но потом после призывов в целом напоминающих действие "мягкой силы" к тому чтобы официально вступить в их ряды, покинул их собрание. Не учат они ни чему плохому- это факт, но при этом (внимание) - ругают РПЦ (отчасти по- делу, отчасти нет) Призывают проповедовать по- домам- то есть ты, взрослый мужик, приходя с работы не уделяешь время своей семье а слоняешься по чужим хатам с проповедями, при этом через раз тебя посылают. Вобщем и целом- целовек выключается из социальной сферы того общества где он живет (через некоторое время членства в секте), в остальном же он может быть вполне счастлив. И еще, никакой армии! Ни в коем случае! Сидим дома смиренно(на случай войны)ждем что с нами будет. Тфу, противно.
    1. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 12: 56 New
      +3
      "Книжки, кстати Свидетелей Иеговы. Вобшем довольно безобидные ребята-по сути. Ходил к ним какое-то время, Но потом после призывов в целом напоминающих действие "мягкой силы" к тому чтобы официально вступить в их ряды, покинул их собрание. Не учат они ни чему плохому- это факт, но при этом (внимание) - ругают РПЦ (отчасти по- делу, отчасти нет) "

      Not all of these harmless guys were so harmless. There were real stories about donating apartments to neopoly sects for free, there were children who got into a sect, renounced their parents, etc. And all this was accompanied by songs about Jehovah God and Jesus Christ.
      1. ivan3211
        ivan3211 27 October 2015 15: 06 New
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        Can facts be?
        1. navigator
          navigator 27 October 2015 16: 14 New
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          Quote: ivan3211
          Can facts be?


          Names, surnames, age, gender, cost of apartments?

          Murmansk, mid-90s. All local newspapers wrote more than once these facts. That's all, do not torment anymore. You, like all the witnesses, are extremely annoying, the whole branch is already full of ivan3211 comments.
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    3. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 15: 04 New
      -3
      Quote: DenZ
      We are waiting for what will happen to us. Ugh, disgusting.

      Sincerely believing in God KNOW 100% what will happen to them !!! The Lord does not make any secret of it. Nor does it make secrets of what will happen to those who reject the authority of their Creator, having accepted the authority of Satan. But who wants to know ???
      Not about you, whether they rushed to bite at the mention of the name of God, Jesus said: “hear with your hearing, and you will not understand, and you will look with your eyes and you will not see,”
      for the heart of these people has become coarse and they can hardly hear with their ears, and their eyes have closed, so that they will not see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and they will not understand with their hearts, and may they not turn, that I may heal them.
  25. Dinko
    Dinko 27 October 2015 09: 50 New
    +4
    A sect of Jehovah’s Witnesses, created in the New York region of Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century with a disruptive purpose against the Soviet Union. This sect is a cover for CIA agents in our country! It was also distinguished by the fact that its participants placed radio beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.
    1. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 39 New
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      Quote: Dinko
      ! She was also distinguished by the fact that its participants deployed beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

      Liar
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 11: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Dinko
      A sect of Jehovah's Witnesses, established in the New York City area of ​​Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century

      Early. In 1931 they changed their name, before that they were called Bible students. 70% of women are members.
  26. DenZ
    DenZ 27 October 2015 10: 03 New
    +3
    Quote: Dinko
    A sect of Jehovah’s Witnesses, created in the New York region of Brooklyn, the CIA in the middle of the last century with a disruptive purpose against the Soviet Union. This sect is a cover for CIA agents in our country! It was also distinguished by the fact that its participants placed radio beacons in the DPR with the aim of guiding artillery and aviation of the punitive army.

    I don’t know about the DPR, but during the years of the Second World War, witnesses were very actively destroyed by the Germans. This is not in defense of witnesses, but as a note. I think it is completely clear to everyone that it is not a question of who is the witness, but who is not, but of the feelings of conscience and duty of each individual person.
    1. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 10: 41 New
      -1
      Quote: DenZ
      I think it is completely clear to everyone that it is not a question of who is the witness, but who is not, but of the feelings of conscience and duty of each individual person.
      It should be so, but as we see from the foregoing, almost all commentators-it is not clear to anyone except you .... Scary.
  27. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 27 October 2015 10: 45 New
    +1
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    He needed a lawless and shaking hands Feigin to be a lawyer - then he would have definitely given 10 years. smile
  28. Mercury
    Mercury 27 October 2015 11: 09 New
    +4
    A bit of history. The disciples of Christ created the church and organized it for the first centuries. At the same time, dissenters who violated the truth and accepted by the apostles began to appear. To fight against such dreamers, their cathedrals were convened. There were about 10 of them. All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ and we have almost everything since in those years. And the Catholics do not deny this. The Armenian church began to think in its own way and separated from the church in the first half of that millennium. The Catholics declared their pope sinless in 1050 and introduced other reforms and separated from the Orthodox Church and then the Protestants rejected them and continued to break away. The Catholics, seeing the integrity of our church, tried to seize the lands of the Orthodox by force, remember the crusade against Constantinople and the attacks of the Swedes and Germans at the beginning of the millennium, then the Commonwealth unrest in Russia and so on were all Catholics. Then, 300 years ago, their misconceptions introduced them into a confrontation and began to appear the doctrine that there is no God at all. That we are monkey mutants and that all we do is bestial instincts. People were tempted by this heresy because now it was possible to do everything and to fornicate and get drunk because there is no God like that. The Protestant British adopted it and developed this Then fight France and Germany. So it became common in Europe to deny the existence of God. And it doesn’t matter what kind of tale the zombies load. Now they load that we need to look for the roots that we are great Ukrainians or Russians and that we flew from Sirius. It's all well organized and I have no doubt that paid by the Angosecs in the same way as Germany organized the loading of the communist Windows into the minds of Russian on But people have not completely fallen into heresy and are confronted with the power of the Lord or notice the action of the devils and begin to search for God, and here the devils need the person not to come to the truth, and false Christianity or Christianity mixed with Christianity is used. The sects are those networks in which people seeking salvation will complain. Attacks on the church itself such as a priest knocked down a pedestrian and so on. as well as the great exposers of the Orthodox yoke over the immaculate Rusich. All this is an attack on the RUSSIAN STATE. ALL THIS IS WAR AGAINST TRUTH
    1. ivan3211
      ivan3211 27 October 2015 15: 09 New
      -1
      Quote: Mercury
      All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ, and we have practically everything since in those years.

      Complete nonsense and uncovered lie !!!
      1. Mercury
        Mercury 27 October 2015 17: 15 New
        +3
        я конечно своими словами но суть верна. Прочтите про "вселенские соборы ""
        The Orthodox Church never broke away from anyone and is the guardian of the true faith, all the rules and canons are the same as in the first centuries.
        My advice is to read historical documents and not marmont brachures.
        1. nikpwolf
          nikpwolf 27 October 2015 21: 31 New
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          Quote: Mercury
          My advice is to read historical documents and not marmont brachures.

          Вот, честное слово, не хотел комментировать, но... Мне просто интересно, чем отличаются одни брошюрки от других? Постоянно читаю материалы ВО и комментарии (частенько именно они и представляют интерес) и у меня сложилось устойчивое мнение, что здесь народ адекватный, привыкший думать, сопоставлять и самостоятельно делать выводы. Но похоже не в этот раз. Ведь всё просто - веришь в Бога, значит веришь и Его Слову. На кой читать книжки о Боге и не читать книгу самого Бога? Почему эта тема превратилась в пустой обмен укоренившимися штампами и соревнование по приклеиванию ярлыков? Почему не обратиться к первоисточнику и на его основании, аргументированно, сделать выводы. Там ведь всё написано. Есть ответы на все вопросы. И какая будет разница "той" ты веры или нет? Почему нужно принимать за истину исследования да хоть тысячу раз уважаемых учёных мужей и священнослужителей и не изучить саму истину?
          Quote: Mercury
          All these cathedrals are recognized by Orthodoxy, that is, Orthodoxy, and there is that church which was organized by the apostles of Christ, and we have practically everything since in those years.

          We read the Acts of the Apostles, their epistles to different churches, compare with what we have, draw conclusions. And you don’t need to write all this. Sects are undoubted evil. But the root of evil lies in ignorance of God and unwillingness to know Him. Something like this.
    2. Kahlan amnell
      Kahlan amnell 27 October 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Mercury
      The Catholics in 1050 declared their dad sinless and introduced other reforms and separated from the Orthodox Church and then the Protestants abandoned them and continued to break away.

      Dear Dmitry, let's still be accurate. Turn to the sources:
      "Непогрешимость (точнее безошибочность) римского папы (лат. Infallibilitas — «неспособность заблуждаться») — догмат римско-католической церкви, утверждающий, что, когда папа определяет учение Церкви, касающееся веры или нравственности, провозглашая его ex cathedra (то есть, по учению РКЦ, как глава Церкви), он обладает непогрешимостью (безошибочностью) и ограждён от самой возможности заблуждаться.
      According to this dogma, the doctrine of “the pope’s infallibility is a gift of the Holy Spirit given to the pope as successor to the apostle Peter by virtue of apostolic succession, and not because of his personal qualities (like any other Christian, the pope is not protected from committing sins and needs repentance and confession). ”
      Not to be confused:
      a) the sinlessness (impeccabilitas) of God, who cannot sin by nature, and the infallibility of the saved, who can no longer sin because of the separation of the soul from the body, and also because of deification.
      b) the infallibility or infallibility of the solemn Teaching of the Holy Church.
      According to the Catholic faith, in the Church the “double subject” (see Libero Geroz, Peter Erde) of the highest authority is the College of Bishops and the pope as the head of the College (CIC can. 336). The Ecumenical Council is the institutional expression of this authority in a solemn form (CIC, can. 337, § 1).
      The dogma is officially proclaimed in the dogmatic constitution of Pastor Aeternus 18 July 1870 year наряду с утверждением «ординарной и непосредственной» власти юрисдикции понтифика во вселенской Церкви. В догматической конституции определены условия — произнесение ex cathedra, а не частное учительство, и сфера применения — суждения о вере и нравственности, вытекающие из истолкования Божественного Откровения".
      Here it is "римское право". lol
  29. foxic
    foxic 27 October 2015 12: 15 New
    0
    Advanced people gathered ... can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 13: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: foxic
      can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....

      What fragments have led you to this idea?
      1. foxic
        foxic 27 October 2015 15: 03 New
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        The very beginning, the creation of planets, people, attitude to characters ....
    2. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 16: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: foxic
      Advanced people gathered ... can someone tell me what God and the Lord God are different ..... according to the text of the Bible it does not work out that this is the same person ....


      They are no different. You can also be called foxic or mister foxic. This does not mean that you are two. The lord-mister in modern language.
      1. foxic
        foxic 28 October 2015 14: 30 New
        0
        Briefly in the text .....
        The sixth day - God hands the man and his wife the planet at full disposal, without any additional conditions, and leaves for the day off .....
        Later the Lord God appears
        (... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)
        creates a person from materials at hand and instructs him to monitor the cottage, respectively, conditions are stipulated.
        Further, problems begin with the reproduction of labor and they clone his wife ....
        and not the fact that it was on the same planet .....
        1. navigator
          navigator 28 October 2015 16: 32 New
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          Quote: foxic
          (... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)


          I do not understand your comment, what bothers you, foxic? Mr. foxic, have I promoted you?


          Quote: foxic
          Briefly in the text .....
          The sixth day - God hands the man and his wife the planet at full disposal, without any additional conditions, and leaves for the day off .....
          Later the Lord God appears
          (... he was promoted to the rank ???? ...)
          creates a person from materials at hand and instructs him to monitor the cottage, respectively, conditions are stipulated.
          Further, problems begin with the reproduction of labor and they clone his wife ....
          and not the fact that it was on the same planet .....



          It seems to answer me, and write what was not discussed.
          1. foxic
            foxic 29 October 2015 06: 00 New
            0
            The question is:
            is it the same God creates the same person ????
            .... or are they different gods? .... create different people?
            .... on different planets ?? (the text three times appears phrase about the creation of heaven and earth ...)
            1. navigator
              navigator 29 October 2015 09: 46 New
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              Quote: foxic
              The question is:
              is it the same God creates the same person ????
              .... or are they different gods? .... create different people?
              .... on different planets ?? (the text three times appears phrase about the creation of heaven and earth ...)



              This is one God. First, it is listed what God did in the days of creation, then it is painted in detail. Some phrases are not repeated three times. What bothers you?
              1. foxic
                foxic 29 October 2015 13: 46 New
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                Is heaven and earth created on the first day or on the second? or on the second day, what was created on the first was redone ??

                The man and his wife were given all the land for possession or is the man only an employee on the reservation ??

                Why does the supreme lord need additional titles (Sir) ??
                God does not engage in narcissism and he does not need to increase his power before anyone, it is infinite.
                This behavior is more suitable for the local craftsman ....
                1. navigator
                  navigator 29 October 2015 14: 53 New
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                  Quote: foxic
                  Is heaven and earth created on the first day or on the second? or on the second day, what was created on the first was redone ??

                  The man and his wife were given all the land for possession or is the man only an employee on the reservation ??

                  Why does the supreme lord need additional titles (Sir) ??
                  God does not engage in narcissism and he does not need to increase his power before anyone, it is infinite.
                  This behavior is more suitable for the local craftsman ....


                  No comment, Mr. foxic. I thought you were asking questions, and you, it turns out, are commenting on the book of Genesis.
                  1. foxic
                    foxic 29 October 2015 19: 31 New
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                    Yes, that’s right, I’m reading a book and what I’ve read doesn’t agree with what they preach to me ....
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  30. Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 14: 05 New
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    The author, and you do not replace the concept, and do not use double standards for an hour in the best Jesuit traditions?

    to protect the activities of sects
    Sect - (from lat. Secta - doctrine - direction, school), religious group, community, breakaway from the dominant church.

    All world religions, now recognized in the Russian Federation as part of the historical heritage, were originally sects, some of which were once banned because they considered then their destructive nature (for example, Christianity in Rome)

    The radical method of "healing"
    Metropolitan Daniel told doctors that the cause of all illnesses is sin.
    http://www.dvinainform.ru/society/2015/10/23/37590.html

    And the "doctors" who talk about this kind of "recovery" ("recovery" by falling into the next world)
    And just as Moses offered the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. (John 3: 14,15)

    How can this one-time session affect the further formation of the girl’s psyche?
    27.03.2013/15/XNUMX Parents of students from secondary school No. XNUMX of Miass (Chelyabinsk Region) filed a civil lawsuit, demanding that the right to choose be studied in their curriculum: to study the children’s Orthodox culture, the history of all religions or prefer secular ethics.
    Тем временем матери школьников рассказывают журналистам чудовищные вещи: детей заставляют целовать руки взрослым мужчинам, педагоги ходят по школе с колокольчиками и говорят, что таким образом изгоняют бесов, некоторым школьникам в случае плохого поведения заявляют, что "у них черная душа, которую надо привести к богу". Также в школе проводится перепись некрещеных в православие детей — их родителям вменяется в обязанность провести религиозный обряд и доложить об исполнении директору школы, Елене Чешуиной. По словам родителей, именно директор занимается активной религиозной пропагандой в школе №15, поскольку является фанатично верующим человеком.
    http://www.city-n.ru/?module=show&id=322348

    began to actively distribute materials recognized by experts as extremist
    October 14, 2015 Putin proposed to ban attributing quotes from the Bible and the Koran to extremism (why would there be something to relate?)
    http://www.interfax.ru/russia/473437
  31. Belousov
    Belousov 27 October 2015 15: 22 New
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    Я вот не могу понять одного - почему бы полностью не запретить все эти НКО? Ведь процент реально приносящих пользу чудовищно мал! А вреда вагон и немаленькая тележка. А всем "скорбящим" по НКО и вопящим о гонениях следует напомнить, что в США НКО так же запрещены и что-то никто там не вопит по этому поводу. Надо бить врага его же оружием.
    1. Mercury
      Mercury 27 October 2015 17: 22 New
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      it is necessary to forbid anything and make martyrs of them a good story and trumpet about it so that they knew the truth from youth. Then no one wakes up to believe all the marmons there who say the wake awakens in the United States.
  32. Kargana
    Kargana 27 October 2015 15: 26 New
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    Quote: Uncle Joe
    All world religions, now recognized in the Russian Federation as part of the historical heritage, were originally sects, some of which were once banned because they considered then their destructive nature (for example, Christianity in Rome)

    Мировые религии не запрещают своим последователям общаться с инаковерующими . В сектах это , мягко говоря , не рекомендуется . Вообще не рекомендуется проводить время с людьми не состоящими в "церкви". Рекомендуется "проповедовать" среди родственников и знакомых . Проповедование на улицах трактуется как подражание ученикам Христа и является обязанностью , за неисполнение каковой следует "разбор полетов". И "прихожан" стараются как можно сильнее загрузить "внутрицерковной" деятельностью , в идеале так , чтобы занят был каждый день .
    И да , я была в секте . И имею богатый опыт общения не только с последователями одной "протестантской церкви" но и нескольких других .
    1. Uncle Joe
      Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 17: 35 New
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      Quote: Kargana
      Вообще не рекомендуется проводить время с людьми не состоящими в "церкви". Рекомендуется "проповедовать" среди родственников и знакомых . Проповедование на улицах трактуется как подражание ученикам Христа и является обязанностью , за неисполнение каковой следует "разбор полетов"
      У Вас противоречие между "не рекомендуется проводить время с людьми не состоящими в церкви. Рекомендуется проповедовать среди родственников и знакомых", и "проповедование на улицах является обязанностью".

      И да , я была в секте . И имею богатый опыт общения не только с последователями одной "протестантской церкви" но и нескольких других .
      I sympathize lol

      Well, and how - sects work for the State Department, as the author of this epic claims, or not? smile
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  34. Vladimir Vasilich
    Vladimir Vasilich 27 October 2015 16: 45 New
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    Знаю проблему не понаслышке. Коснулась она и моей семьи, вернее моих близких родственников. Племянница уже более 25 лет занимается в секте иеговистов и за это время распалась семья. Неожиданно в 2011г срочно покинула дом в Украине и объявилась в России, на Урале и до сих пор на той же "ниве" проповедницы "свидетелей иеговы". Судя по "материальному" положению НЕ бедствует, хотя ограничивается случайными заработками.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 27 October 2015 19: 58 New
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      Many years ago, these sectarians dragged my patient from the ward. The senior colleague did not operate very well, so they took this schizophrenic madam directly from the ward on crutches, and it is still not noticeable. The husband arrived, barely found her with the police.
  35. Karabin
    Karabin 27 October 2015 20: 32 New
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    NCO-foreign agents to protect the activities of sects in Russia?

    Деятельность НКО в этом направлении, детские игры против деятельности ГД РФ , которая тихо, без помпы в СМИ, в 2015 году приняла закон о сектах. Теперь любой проходимец может зарегистрировать без всяких проблем хоть "секту свидетелей Путина", хоть "непорочной Ксении Собчак". Если их деятельности будет кто то препятствовать, он будет нарушать закон. Так что уличная раздача литературы, лекции,семинары, все законно. А если деятельность имеет насильственный или экстремистский характер, то это еще доказать надо. И что мешает на одну закрытую секту, вновь открыть 10? Кстати ,Ревностный Хранитель Духовных Скреп, этот закон подписал без оговорок.
  36. lubesky
    lubesky 27 October 2015 21: 10 New
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    Уважаю Володина, с удовольствием читаю его статьи. Но с этой статьей он конечно переборщил. Мы вот тут бьемся и не можем определиться кто из нас сталинист, кто либерал, а кто коммунист. А господин Володин такую сложную тему затронул, ну вообще караул. Для обсуждения течений христианства нужно ну как мнинмум, разбираться в этом. Нужно на научном уровне знать четкое определение, что же такое - секта? У нас в России нет специализированного института, раз и на всегда определившем - вот это секта, а эта нет. Поэтому у нас сложилась после 70 летия безбожия только зачаток понимания в этом вопросе, секта мол, это все, что не РПЦ, мечеть или другая признанная конфессия. Не стану здесь подробно рассказывать и определять, что же такое секта, сформулирую кратко и сжато, предельно понятно. Секта (сектор, отделенный от единого целого) имеет отрицательный оттенок в России с легкой подачи СМИ (не шибко разбирающимся в теологии и религии как таковой), с весомого авторитетного безусловного мнения РПЦ и печального опыта лихих 90-х, где такие течения как "Аум-синреке" или "белые братья" (запрещенные в России и многих странах) проводили прямо скажем, сомнительную деятельность. На самом деле есть определение ОПАСНОСТИ религиозного или общественного течения. Так вот по этому определению, к таким "сектам" относятся течения, которые в составе деяний имеют следующие основные виды, несущие опасность самому обществу и социуму:
    - explicit antisocial directions (abduction, retention in the community, coercion to change lifestyle, social circle), where the main fact is the obvious violent (including psychological pressure, blackmail) removal of the newly believer from society, the termination of any connections and contacts with his will society, except for a specific community (brothers and sisters)
    - extremist orientation of the organization
    - suspicious structuredness and unquestioning discipline (military system), managerial system that receives a fixed monthly content (banal salary), according to vocation (positions in the organization hierarchy)
    - the goals of the organization, contrary to the laws of a particular country, as well as threatening the prevailing society or statehood, the state system of a particular country.
    In general, these are the main factors that tell a citizen about the doubtfulness of this organization. As we can see, for a number of factors, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are related to these organizations. But many of the titular churches of many states have these factors, but historically, the legitimacy of these organizations frees them from suspicion.
    Maybe Volodin meant that it was time to start this difficult work - to separate the grains from the chaff, maybe it was time to determine what was harmful to society from the currents (it was up to society to decide), and which was useful. Maybe Mr. Volodin wanted to hint that it’s time to check where these legs grow from these organizations? Well then, let's get started. But first you need to recognize that around the world, Protestant missions carry more good and help to those in need than many international organizations with a huge budget. If Mr. Volodin wanted to start about this, then the beginning is extremely unsuccessful ...
    1. Your friend
      Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 43 New
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      - suspicious structuredness and unquestioning discipline (military system), managerial system that receives a fixed monthly content (banal salary), according to vocation (positions in the organization hierarchy)

      Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?
      1. lubesky
        lubesky 27 October 2015 21: 50 New
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        Quote: Your friend
        Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

        Not familiar with this organization, with its teachings, you can use available sources to determine.
        1. Your friend
          Your friend 27 October 2015 21: 56 New
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          Quote: lubesky
          Quote: Your friend
          Is the Order of Jesus the sweetest sect?

          Not familiar with this organization, with its teachings, you can use available sources to determine.

          This is the Order of the Jesuits. By your definition, this is a sect. According to these definitions, anyone can be recorded in sects. After all, as someone here said, Christians were once a sect.
          1. lubesky
            lubesky 28 October 2015 00: 11 New
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            Quote: Your friend
            This is the Order of the Jesuits. By your definition, this is a sect. According to these definitions, anyone can be recorded in sects. After all, as someone here said, Christians were once a sect.

            But I did not determine, I only gave definitions, the totality of these or several factors is an occasion for reflection. Everyone decides for himself.
            Quote: lubesky
            But many of the titular churches of many states have these factors, but historically, the legitimacy of these organizations frees them from suspicion.

            As you can see, I myself have said that many organizations fall within the definitions ...
            And you directly broke my comments into quotes, can you express your own thoughts, how can I tear my phrases out of context everywhere? Another thing, of course, is that opinions need to be argued and have knowledge ...
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 28 October 2015 05: 18 New
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              Вообще -то, христианской церковью можно считать объединение верующих, признающих святую Троицу как Единого Бога - главу Церкви, Библию - священной книгой, источником христианских знаний, верящих в спасение через веру и покаяние. Всё остальное - секты. "Свидетели" не считают себя и сами христианами, т.к. Христа на считают Богом, да и Библия для них второстепенна, у них главное - их литература. Поэтому и мнение главное не Библии, а их "святого" руководителя. Называть всех подряд баптистами - чушь безграмотная. К тому же слово баптист означает всего лишь - крещёный. Крестильня в православной церкви называется иначе баптистерий. Православная церковь кафалическая, то же, что и католическая, то есть соборная. Пятидесятники - очень почитают праздник пятидесятницы, то есть Троицы. Между собой все эти церкви понапридумывали различий, для Бога совершенно несущественных, и каждый гордится, что правильнее других. Сатана рад. Верующие воюют друг с другом, а не с ним! Павел был прав - все уклонились, нет праведного ни одного! А бедных бабушек, пристающих к прохожим пожалейте. Не от хорошей жизни люди в секты приходят. Их как новичков и пускают на улицы, дескать, покажите усердие!
            2. Your friend
              Your friend 29 October 2015 11: 59 New
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              And I didn’t determine, I only gave definitions

              Well, it’s quite logical (((
  37. Mentat
    Mentat 27 October 2015 21: 22 New
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    Quote: Oper6300
    Mr. Volodin lied - you can see the namesakes (from ПЖиВ) do not give rest.
    Firstly, the actual inaccuracies in the article: either Calistat, then Elistratov.
    Secondly: I often communicate with SI (it just happened), they don’t get ready for the end of the world, the children are very sociable and funny. Plus, they don’t drink, don’t smoke (which can’t be said about the priests of the Gundyaev’s parish).
    Thirdly: The author blames SI for criticizing other Christian communities, but do not Orthodox or Catholics do the same?
    Yes, from the point of view of the state, any pacifist religion is definitely evil, well, say so directly!
    You can minus until you turn blue.

    SI is an international corporation for the milking of naive citizens, do not advertise it here. If you want to devote yourself to faith - there is a choice among the directions of Christianity, all three branches are represented; in our country there are sane Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus.
  38. Yugra
    Yugra 27 October 2015 22: 15 New
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    I have the combination of nco causing vomiting reflexes. Dear GDP, free Russia from this infection already ...
  39. Mentat
    Mentat 27 October 2015 22: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: navigator
    Quote: encarcelado
    Три предложения, три фактические ошибки. 1. "Секта - религиозная группа, община, отколовшаяся от господствующей церкви. В переносном смысле — группа лиц, замкнувшихся в своих узких интересах." Протестантизм является одним из господствующих направлений в христианстве. Их более миллиарда. Православных чуть менее трехсот тысяч.2. Протестанты не считают католиков и православных сектантами.3. Не представляю никакую секту. Просто изучал религиоведение.


    with your baggage, you must know that the sect is a religious group that has broken away from the dominant Church due to the denial of all or part of the dogma of the Church.

    In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.
    1. navigator
      navigator 27 October 2015 23: 15 New
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      Quote: Mentat
      In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.


      Не согласен с Вами.Сектант,по определению,отклонивший полностью или частично истинное вероучение Церкви,иными словами,еретик.Ересь (греч. hairesis) "отбор", это не просто ошибка или заблуждение, в которое впадает человек из-за незнания или неверного вывода. Ересь — это сознательное и упрямое искажение догматов.В это я верую,с этим не согласен и т.д.Поэтому и носит негативный контекст.Какой оттенок может носить слово "правонарушитель",нарушающий законы,позитивный?
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  40. Lunic
    Lunic 28 October 2015 00: 49 New
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    Quote: Mentat
    However, there are (albeit not much), in fact, NGOs disguised as such churches, to our great regret. For example, the "church" of Alexei Ledyaev in Riga, which took part in the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.


    I'm sorry, I’ll correct you: Alexei Ledyaev used to have a church (15-17 years ago) very popular among Pentecostals.
    Регулярно приезжал к нам в США с "турами" по церьквям и собраниям. Очень харизматичный лидер..был. Я был на одном из его посещении-"служении" (так как вся родня моей жены-пятидесятники). Честно скажу- даже хотелось выйти к сцене и покаятся после его ( Ледяевского) служения... А потом он перевел тему на пожертвования.. Типа кто и сколько ДОЛЖЕН жертвовать... Приводил примеры как в Латвии ему "пожертвовали" Мерседесс,.... Квартиру...
    Then he began to talk about how poorly believers live in Latvia ... Well, here I could no longer listen and left. The most interesting thing is that the wife's relatives did not notice anything so bad.
    В начали 2000-х Ледяев показал своее нутро: забросил Паству и начал зануиматься медиа проектами ( посмотрите на трубе его оперу "Вартимей"), а проще говоря шоу на христианские темы Ну вроде ничего-да? проповедует человек как может.. а тут вдруг выясняется что танц-группа у него в шоу состоит из нетрадиционной ориентации. Потом выясняется что пожертвования не все почему-то доходят до заявленных церквей..
    In general, Pentecostals have turned away from him now ...
  41. Lunic
    Lunic 28 October 2015 01: 09 New
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    ИМХО: статья из раздела: "Если не с нами. то против нас"
    Personally, in detail, very often and for a long time I communicated and continue to communicate with Baptists, Pentecostals, and Jehovah's Witnesses.
    (friends, relatives, acquaintances like most Russian speakers in the USA). Probably because there’s no one else to chat with in Russian.
    I will not say who is right and whose faith will lead to salvation- Every sandpiper praises its swamp.
    I will say one thing: if a person is of a different faith, this does not mean that he is a foreign agent. They just do not believe the government here and are suspicious of representatives of a different faith ..

    ПыСы: А свидетелей Иеговы и тут толком никто не любит за навязчивость, узколобие и "приватизацию" Библии.
    Undoubtedly, in Soviet times, the Western special services actively tried to set us (the people of the USSR) against socialism and one of the tools was precisely the underground promotion of Baptism and Pentecostalism in the USSR.
    But this is a long time ago .. Now everyone is driven by money.

    Кстати: перед моим отьездом в США в конце 90-х я спросил у одного туриста американца- "Какие проффессии самые прибыльные в США?" Ответ бы короткий: " Адвокат, Доктор и...Пастор Церкви"
    :)))
  42. Mentat
    Mentat 28 October 2015 01: 20 New
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    Quote: navigator
    Quote: Mentat
    In general, however, the fact is true that in everyday speech in the expression “totalitarian sects” or “destructive sects” the first word is most often omitted, therefore the word “sect” in spoken Russian has acquired a certain negative connotation and is often a substitute, which is not quite true, these two expressions.


    Не согласен с Вами.Сектант,по определению,отклонивший полностью или частично истинное вероучение Церкви,иными словами,еретик.Ересь (греч. hairesis) "отбор", это не просто ошибка или заблуждение, в которое впадает человек из-за незнания или неверного вывода. Ересь — это сознательное и упрямое искажение догматов.В это я верую,с этим не согласен и т.д.Поэтому и носит негативный контекст.Какой оттенок может носить слово "правонарушитель",нарушающий законы,позитивный?

    True, the word "sect" has a negative connotation. However, I draw your attention once again that in the Russian spoken language the word "sect" acquires a kind of double negative meaning, which I wrote about earlier.
  43. Gost171
    Gost171 28 October 2015 03: 58 New
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    Вот,почему-то слова О.Бендера"Почём опиум для народа?" из головы не идут.
  44. GUGA
    GUGA 28 October 2015 13: 38 New
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    Прочитав комментарии, пришел к выводу, что 99% написавших вообще не разбираются в данном вопросе. Мешают всех, кто не относится к основным религиям в стране, в одну кучу сект. Согласен, Свидетели Иеговы - это секта. По поводу протестантов не соглашусь. Есть конечно среди них и агенты влияния, но их не так много как кажется. В основном новые течения и церкви. Но основная масса протестанских церквей в России появились еще при царях. И появились они не от хорошей жизни у себя на родине. Малоизвестный факт - было объединение протестантов и православия в борьбе за существование на территории современной Украины в 16в. Потому что католицизировали очень жестко. Общался с протестантами в 3-5 поколении: очень набожные, трудолюбивые люди. Никого не агитируют, свою веру не навязывают. То что мы сейчас называем протестанизм - в основном современные течения, 20-30 лет, американского направления. На удивление их не так много как кажется, просто они "яркие" - специально привлекающие к себе внимание. "Ортодоксальные" протестанты их очень даже не жалуют.
    Interestingly, and commentators know the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism? What is the difference between Protestantism and them? Fundamental differences. What are the Articles of Faith? Why is the Moscow Patriarchate against the Uniates? If you think that you have the right to be at the head of parishes, then you have nothing to be clever here.
  45. D. Dan
    D. Dan 28 October 2015 19: 38 New
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    I agree with the previous comment.
    I can say five words about myself. I have been SPECIFICALLY in the SI sect for over 10 years.
    For a year he communicated with Baptists - Pentecostals. At this time, he passed a kind of course on sect studies. So, for yourself.
    Изучал учения католиков, три года близко общался с православными и чуть не крестился, ( с теплотой отношусь к православию до сих пор), не так чтобы основательно, но изучил историю церкви, по крайней мере, в гораздо большем объеме, чем вопящиее "мы православные" не ведающие по большей части, ничего окромя, "отче наш", и "верую" большинство.
    At present, he did not become an atheist, but it finally became clear to me that most religions deviated from the courses of movement set by their founders, and were used by politicians and behind-the-scenes puppeteers of humanity to fool the population., In order to incite ethnic and ethnic hatred.
    What specifically about the sectarians, in the photo at the start of the topic, I’ll say that the sect in Russia isn’t doing business now, but in general it’s a sect OH OH ANY INTERESTING, in terms of it is of interest to law enforcement officers, and the US State Department has covered it more than once Russia, but also in the world as a whole.
    He founded a freemason and a huckster. Works like a fifth column. Destructive in nature.