American portal: Russian squall missile "Squall" - one of the best in the world

American resource We Are The Mighty, specializing in military topics, called the missile "Squall", designed to destroy underwater targets, one of the best in the world among similar weapons, reports RIA News.

The publication notes that “Flurry” moves in the water, like a torpedo, while creating an “air pocket”, which reduces friction and allows the rocket to literally “fly” under water at speeds above 380 km / h. ”

“A missile warhead in 463 pounds, detonating at a set time, can destroy nearby enemy submarines and approaching torpedoes,” write the rating authors.

According to the resource, "Flurry" is produced from a standard 533-millimeter torpedo tube at a depth of about 100 m, and the rocket itself leaves the machine at a speed close to 93 km / h, after which the rocket engine starts, which leads weapon to speed, which in 4-5 times exceeds the capabilities of conventional torpedo missiles. "

The authors also note that the rocket "retains a high level of probability of hitting the target (80%) at a distance of 7 km."

The edition also included the American MK torpedoes, the French F-21 torpedoes, and another Russian T-5 rocket into the top list.

Comments

[Svyatogor]

Who would doubt that? It's only the beginning.

[Tor5]

Powerful and smart thing!

[gridasov]

Here you went over! Powerful it all depends on the warhead, but smart is unlikely. She moves with uncontrollable speed. High speeds achieved with the help of chemical reactions, which then create the draft of the exhaust gases, are generally not controlled. Therefore, until an engine is created capable of creating such speeds and on a controlled function specified by the operator, it is premature to speak of a smart torpedo. In addition, the so-called. fuel does not stock up on a long range.

[demo]

Yes.
The question immediately arises for our designers.
Does a torpedo missile change direction if an "air pocket" forms?
Those. hit in a straight line?

[Thronekeeper]

Cable guidance. But initially it was uncontrollable. With the expectation that the attacked ship will not have time to evade. It seems that the Iranian copy is uncontrollable, although cable guidance, both off-board and autonomous - the likeness of an acoustic seeker with a coil ejected from a TA along with a torpedo, is not at all a complicated technology.

[Throw]

There is nowhere to poison the cable from - the Flurry is accelerated by the accelerator, which then shoots back and the hydro-jet engine starts to work.

In the note, by the way, this is not indicated, as well as the depth of 30 m. In general, there are mistakes in each sentence.

The air cavity is called a pocket. Good not a suitcase.

And how much can you copy this picture with some kind of carrot-warhead on the props?
In half of the articles about Flurry the same thing, http://topwar.ru/29683-novaya-torpeda-na-smenu-shkvalu.html

Here are the torpedo clippers for maneuvering in the cavity:

And here is the cavitator creating it:

[gridasov]

Without a doubt, this is the right decision in a small part of the fact that there should be a hole in the end of the torpedo and cavitator. But it is worth noting that on the previous samples the solution was different.

[nemets]

yes it goes only in a straight line, this is its only minus. true minus small if the distance to the enemy is less than 7-8 km defeat or damage is guaranteed. if the distance is greater then the shot will be in the "milk".

[sodick]

YES, ONLY DIRECT, TK IN DOMESTIC RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS SIT ONE. THERE DO NOT EVEN A HEARNESS, IT SHALL PUNCH THROUGH AT SUCH A SPEED

[just exp]

not quite so, what provides the torpedo with high speed has nothing to do with the chemical reaction, since the water resistance will ruin any jet engine, or rather its work. here is a troublesome in a physical process called cavitation (at least that's how it was presented in articles and films about a squall), if it's simplified, then it's when an air cushion is formed in front of the torpedo tip, in which the torpedo moves, and the resistance of the "water" becomes like "air", but the main problem is that because of this air layer it is impossible to use homing, the layer suppresses everything. are working on it now. but it will turn out or not xs xs xs.

[adept666]

Here you went over! Powerful it all depends on the warhead, but smart is unlikely. She moves with uncontrollable speed.

Oh, this pan gridasov ... What does it mean with uncontrollable speed? This torpedo has a ramjet jet engine, if desired, it can be throttled in the same way as a conventional rocket engine, only in an even wider range. You have studied chemistry and you know very well that the less chemically active substances react in mass fraction, the less energy will be released. Those very chemical reactions of yours are achieved by the interaction of a reagent and ordinary seawater. Give less water to the chamber, get less "draft", open the damper a little - get more. Another thing is that in this particular torpedo it makes no sense to make an engine capable of throttling due to other restrictions, namely, the guidance system, the usual telecontrol by wire due to design restrictions and speed is impossible, you cannot put a sonar on it, firstly because of a caretaker on the nose of a rocket torpedo (yes, because of the size), and secondly, because of the noise from the engine, you will not hear a shit, and the radar almost does not rob under water. Therefore, there is no throttling, since it is necessary to go in a straight line and as early as possible to the calculated point with the target.

[gridasov]

It is not that simple ! An array of chemical reagent interacts with the activator - i.e. water like an avalanche and don't be cunning to yourself - it cannot be throttled. What is called a "caretaker" is again self-deception, these are banal nozzles that remove chemical reaction products into the front part in order to create a shell. Therefore, we are talking about a turbine that does not even have a front head defiantly resistance. The pressure flow only increases the efficiency of the turbine. But the outlet nozzles do not form an air envelope, but layers of more highly dynamic jets of flows. Moreover, managed threads. Therefore, if anyone understands that the essence of cavitation is an array of plasma effects around each microparticle of water, then by our method we exclude these processes and they do not interfere with either the silence of swimming or radio control, and at the same time the speeds will remain ultra-high and more, since the dynamic flows of the jet outflow streams will be orders of magnitude more energetic than from chemical reactions.

[adept666]

It is not that simple !

After these words, your not-so-healthy fantasies usually begin.

An array of a chemical reagent interacts with an activator, i.e. avalanche like water

And here they are

do not dissemble yourself - it is not throttling.

Yes, and why? Is the sine wave of the wrong system?

What is called a "caretaker" is again self-deception, these are banal nozzles that remove chemical reaction products into the front part in order to create a shell.

I hasten to upset the chemical reaction products that create the main driving force, and the fact that the front is not the so-called, but the most important thing to eat is the cavitator, and behind it there is a gas generator, which when the launch rocket accelerator operates at stages of movement up to 170-190 km / h (boundary speed) from liquefied gas produces gaseous products to create the initial cavity and squeezes them through the front nozzles to the last stage of the cavitator. After entering the cruising mode, the torpedo shoots the accelerator and the movement continues on the marching engine, and the cavity is maintained by natural gas-hydrodynamic processes (super-cavitation), and is not constantly created by the torpedo gas generator.

Therefore, we are talking about such a turbine, which does not even have a front head defiant resistance.

This head is a cavitation; otherwise, how would a professor take a torpedo? She just has a water intake there, see a colleague: http://i037.radikal.ru/0908/72/5267e93c395b.jpg

Pressure flow only increases

I will tell you even more, and only he creates it at a speed of over 200 km / h

Therefore, if anyone understands that the essence of cavitation is an array of plasma effects around each microparticle of water

I do not agree! Effects are created by the coagulating cosine of the tangent! (God forgive me not to laugh at sick people )

by our method we exclude these processes

And here is more in detail please what such method?

will be orders of magnitude higher energy than from chemical reactions.

[gridasov]

Your mockery does not catch me much. Therefore, if you think you have created the perfect device, then okay. You can only congratulate.
In general, it is pleasant to feel like a Russian, but a stranger to the country in which the ancestors were born and lived, to whom he swore and for whom he became an outcast. And Ukraine is no longer the motherland because the ghouls in power made us Russians hostage to their stupidity. In short, everyone pushes to the panel. And so I do not want to sell. Anyway . It will be as it will.

[adept666]

Your mockery does not catch me much.

If this were so, my friend, then you would not have focused on this. Nevertheless, I'm sorry if I offended you, I will try to improve

Therefore, if you think you have created the perfect device, then okay.

Until a perpetual motion machine has been created, a perfect device has not yet been born, when do you already have plans there?

In general, it’s nice to feel like a Russian, but a stranger to the country in which the ancestors were born and lived

I didn’t quite catch the essence of the problem, to be honest.

that the ghouls in power made us Russians hostage to their stupidity.

Well, are you so passive and you allowed a bunch of rabid scumbags to destroy your beautiful (now without irony) country? But even in this case I do not see a problem. Pack your suitcase and go in the Russian Federation.

And so I do not want to sell.

So nobody forces. Come to any design bureau on the subject, but not with your plasmatrons, but with drawings and sound mathematics that can be verified by full-scale experiment (designers only understand the language of numbers, not abstractions) if all that you offer is not fiction to tear off with your hands and it will be your holiday soul. Dare! (And if it doesn’t work out again, start writing science fiction, you have a strong syllable, and the flight of imagination seems to be unlimited). Good luck my friend

[gridasov]

I really am not offended. Words remain words and are a manifestation of certain qualities of the one who pronounces them.
We are not talking about a perpetual motion machine. I would cease to respect myself for being naive if I thought it was a perpetual motion machine. The idea is to create such a turbine, which should work at ultrahigh conditions not of rotation speed, but of the flow rate of hydro-gas-dynamic flow in it. Then in the hands of man will be tools for managing the potential energy of the substance of the medium. Which is what we ultimately call CAVITATION.
We Russians in Ukraine are not passive. May traitors and renegades come out. War is always CLEANER. And those women and children, old people and young people who died as a result of a meaningless massacre and those who went about false leaders, are just an excuse to establish themselves more firmly in the strength of our ideals and traditions and this gives us strength and readiness to do our part in due time work. But going wall to wall is not our method.
I do not know how to ask and ask. It is possible to cooperate, but asks, somehow not in my opinion. But thanks anyway for the advice.

[nemets]

do not pay attention the person "thinks" what he thinks, therefore he writes himself without understanding what)

[gridasov]

Indeed! To be able to think is still a task. Talking about the extended "thinking" technique is also a search for a person with high outgoing parameters of reasoning.

[adept666]

do not pay attention the person "thinks" what he thinks, therefore he writes himself without understanding what)

Yes, sometimes it’s sometimes I don’t understand ... but what’s characteristic is it often also works correctly sometimes

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: adept666

, conventional wire remote control due to design limitations and speed is not possible,

Why is it impossible, who said that? ATGMs fly with greater speed and are nevertheless driven by a wire.

[adept666]

Why is it impossible, who said that?

Well, let's say I say that.

ATGMs fly with greater speed and are nevertheless driven by a wire.

They fly a little in the wrong environment (moreover, this is the same medium), but in the case of the Flurry there are two of them and a serious pressure drop between them. Have you ever seen how at the installation site of a thermocouple in a high pressure pipeline it cuts it due to a defect or incorrect operation? If not, I'll tell you aki with a Jedi laser sword and a couple more meters of metalwork in addition what kind of wires are there ...

[nemets]

not by wire but by radio

[adept666]

not by wire but by radio

With the propagation of radio waves in water, there are mildly slight difficulties.

[Homo]

Quote: gridasov

Here you went over! Powerful it all depends on the warhead, but smart is unlikely. She moves with uncontrollable speed. High speeds achieved with the help of chemical reactions, which then create the draft of the exhaust gases, are generally not controlled. Therefore, until an engine is created capable of creating such speeds and on a controlled function specified by the operator, it is premature to speak of a smart torpedo. In addition, the so-called. fuel does not stock up on a long range.

Why are you trifling on trifles? Speak right away, until there is a force field and hyperspace drive about "cleverness" not worth talking about!

[gridasov]

A hyperspace engine is a complete abstraction. But a turbine with fundamentally new sequences of processes in it and which are able to transform the potential energy of a hydro-gas-dynamic flow is a reality.

[meriem1]

Quote: gridasov

Here you went over! Powerful it all depends on the warhead, but smart is unlikely. She moves with uncontrollable speed. High speeds achieved with the help of chemical reactions, which then create the draft of the exhaust gases, are generally not controlled. Therefore, until an engine is created capable of creating such speeds and on a controlled function specified by the operator, it is premature to speak of a smart torpedo. In addition, the so-called. fuel does not stock up on a long range.

Yes, and this is enough !!! Something On the fleet of Ukraine there is nothing even similar !!! Envy modestly !!!

[gridasov]

Maybe you advise me to deal with the Americans?

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: gridasov

Therefore, until a propulsion system is created capable of creating such speeds at controlled function specified by the operator It’s premature to talk about a smart torpedo

1. What is an operator-defined controlled function?
2. 463 pounds - approximately 100 kg and a speed of 200 knots under water - are impressive.
3. The authors also note that the missile "retains a high level of target hitting probability (80%) at a distance of up to 7 km." I think this is a typo. Otherwise, it cannot be classified as one of the best in the world.

[gridasov]

The controlled torpedo movement function specified by the operator is tantamount to controlling an unmanned vehicle. But this is possible only in the complex of the fact that you have a turbine or so-called device that is capable of performing these functions, namely, to slow down or stop, rotate or turn around in all axes of azimuth. I believe it is clear that with chemical propulsion processes this is very difficult to do. But the device we are positioning performs all these tasks.
Further . Speeds can be much higher. It all depends on the distribution processes of polarization of the surfaces of the outflow with the external environment. However, it is already difficult for people outside competencies to understand this.
Somehow we are used to being irresponsible in their statements. If everything was clear and mastered, it would have developed, but it did not. Therefore, everything came down to CALIBERS and Dr with propulsion systems, but the mover remained the same.

[tolian]

463 pounds is 180 kg.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: gridasov

Therefore, until a propulsion system is created capable of creating such speeds at controlled function specified by the operator It’s premature to talk about a smart torpedo

1. What is an operator-defined controlled function?
2. 463 pounds - approximately 100 kg and a speed of 200 knots under water - are impressive.
3. The authors also note that the missile "retains a high level of target hitting probability (80%) at a distance of up to 7 km." I think this is a typo. Otherwise, it cannot be classified as one of the best in the world.

[Sterlya]

Quote: gridasov

Here you went over! Powerful it all depends on the warhead, but smart is unlikely. She moves with uncontrollable speed. High speeds achieved with the help of chemical reactions, which then create the draft of the exhaust gases, are generally not controlled. Therefore, until an engine is created capable of creating such speeds and on a controlled function specified by the operator, it is premature to speak of a smart torpedo. In addition, the so-called. fuel does not stock up on a long range.

And if you think a little? that seems to be manageable.
The truth is I do not like it when shit-guns praise what is not really worth it, everything has a measure. At least we have smart people no less than in the United States, who buy brains from around the world for dead condoms.
BUT it seems to me. Until they publicly start executing embezzlers, there will be no improvement in Russia in the economic sphere!
And without the Economy, there is no State.

[Shveps]

Quote: Tor5

Powerful and smart thing!

In the Soviet Union, others were not made.

[Samaritan]

Video about "squall"

[gridasov]

By the way, the title picture looks completely wrong. At the rear, the aquatic environment closes. And much more is not natural.

[Ruslan]

a flurry-2 should be homing and hit 50-100 km. then the fleet will be able to genocide any enemy pl :)

[venaya]

Quote: ruslan

a flurry-2 should be homing and hit 50-100 km.

At that speed? Range and speed: mutually exclusive things, here you need to choose one thing. Under water, in general, miracles happen, swordfish, sailing fish scamper at speeds up to 130 km / h, with its own power of about 1 l / s - this is a record. Even birds in the air fly slower, up to 110 km / h, if not at the peak. "Flurry"- in itself almost a" miracle of nature ", the truth of purely artificial origin, in reality it is engineering miracle, I never dreamed of such a thing. Due to cavitation, "Shkval" completely violates the basic principles of motion of bodies in a liquid, defined by "eternal" Bernoulli's law.

[gridasov]

Sorry, but cavitation has nothing to do with it. More reasonable may be the argument that the intensity of the exhaust gases from the front of the torpedo body creates a gas shell. Therefore, if the configuration is correctly selected at the rear, then the water compression vector, and it is directed inside the topological space and this vector will push the torpedo forward. Cavitation, in turn, is the process of transformation of the energy structure of matter and not only water. In other words, it is the absence of cavitation on the surface of contact or the outflow of water with the body that allows it to move easily. In general, this is a whole system of knowledge at the electronic level. magnetic interactions of bodies and the medium during their highly dynamic relative motion. It should be said that using cavitation it is also possible to significantly increase this potential to accelerate the movement of bodies without fighting this effect, but strengthening it.

[Snake831]

The number of dithyrambs, our weapons, has recently been directly alarming!

[demo]

Good comment.
Prapor really annoying.

[Boa kaa]

Gridasov! You again for your own: with abstruse reasoning blur the essence of the matter in the hope that no one can remove your pseudo-scientific crap from the ears of members of the forum? Well, well ... "Scientist", let's think about it:

Quote: gridasov

cavitation has nothing to do with it.

This is the whole point. It is she who creates a vapor-gas cavity in which the body moves. Water does not wet the entire surface of the product, but only the cavitator (cups in the nose of the rocket-dorpedo), which greatly reduces the friction force and wave resistance to a body moving in water. Hence the "flight" speed in airspace under water.

Quote: gridasov

the intensity of the exhaust gases from the front of the torpedo's body creates a gas shell.

You are already tortured with your "bobulator"! No gases are emitted towards the movement of the P / T! We do not need a "jet brake"! The cavitator cups, due to the speed, knock out the air dissolved in the water, which creates a vapor-gas cavity.

Quote: gridasov

Therefore, if the configuration is correct in the back, then the water compression vector, and it is directed inside the topological space and this vector will push the torpedo forward

The impression is that you are not familiar with jet propulsion at all! Vector, you say! Compression of water, you say! And I naively believed that the velocity and mass of the outflowing gases ... But it turns out "VECTOR"! (Hector? Victor? - who else could be there?)

Quote: gridasov

Cavitation, in turn, is the process of transformation of the energy structure of matter and not only water.

Cavitation is the process of vaporization and subsequent condensation of air bubbles in a fluid flow, accompanied by noise and hydraulic shocks, the formation of cavities in a fluid filled with vapor of the fluid itself ... Simple and intelligible. Why be clever?

Quote: gridasov

In other words, it is the absence of cavitation on the surface of contact or the outflow of water with the body that allows it to move easily.

Exactly the opposite! The cups are part of the P / T body. It is they who create the vapor-gas cavity - the condition for the "nonwettable" movement of the body in the gaseous medium.
About the rest of the "pseudo-scientific thinking" - I will keep silent, as if not related to the product VA-111.

[gridasov]

Well, first of all, I don't torture anyone. And secondly, "only behind the screen of the blessed one can one remain pure in his reasoning and search for truth." Well, the search for truth is who will choose which path. The main thing is the result, and if this result suddenly appears in the enemy's hands, and you miss your intolerance that you were one step away from a reasonable decision, Then who is the enemy, because I am torturing. Or you, because you have neglected what you were not able to appreciate.

[Throw]

I agree, it’s sad when Gridasov, with his alternative physics, the orderlies turn off the Internet again and we have to sadly use the boring dogmas of the orthodox sciences ..

Nevertheless, in a discussion with the Boa constrictor. Gridasov suddenly hit the spot:

Boa kaa
Quote: gridasov
the intensity of the exhaust gases from the front of the torpedo's body creates a gas shell.

You are already tortured with your "borbulator"! No gases are emitted towards the P / T movement!

In Shkval, behind the cavitator, there really is, no, not quite a burbulator, but almost)) gas generator, which additionally pumps gas into the cavity, maintaining its stability and increasing size.

[gridasov]

Excuse me, but I do not get guessing. I have full-cycle algorithms in the sequence that must be observed, but the creators of SQUALL experiment and experiment without a theoretical basis. In addition, I do not consider myself an alternative physics. On the contrary, modern physics and academic knowledge need to be deepened, but with some adjustments. On top of that, I always welcome well-grounded arguments and don't be ashamed to repent if I'm wrong.

[adept666]

I have full-cycle algorithms in the sequence that must be followed.

Yes, the Nobel Prize is crying for you.

but the creators of SQUARE are experimenting and experimenting without a theoretical basis.

Alas in the discipline, the dynamics of liquid and gas without full-scale experimentation is nowhere.

In addition, I do not consider myself an alternative physics.

In vain, believe the person who completed the physical education

On the contrary, modern physics and academic knowledge need to be deepened, but with some adjustments.

I agree!

On top of that, I always welcome well-grounded arguments and don't be ashamed to repent if I'm wrong.

Oh ...

[Throw]

Of course, the theoretical base is needed only to launch the air defense igilogandons with explosives, and our shatan pipe rivets the shaitan pipe that whistles under 400 km / h under water
And about the "deepening with adjustments" is correct. We look forward to deepening cavitation cavities and adjusting the Planck constant and Pi number! Or E!

[Bayun]

Not funny. By quantifying the DIRECT and ROUND (Pi), we, to put it mildly, "forget" for the convenience of the mathematical model about their qualitatively different nature. What is forbidden for a physicist ("measuring pears with apples") - mathematics is allowed;) The border of environments, and even with active influence - is a really difficult thing. Maybe the person really formalized it - they would have taken who NEEDS and checked.

[gridasov]

Moreover, I do not deny that the mathematics used to analyze low-potential processes, namely, that it is and it can still be called calculated, but it is absolutely not suitable for the analysis of high-potential processes. And this mathematics can be called analytical, when absolute accuracy in the statement is required, and most importantly, you need to see all the flow algorithms of the associated processes, which means that you always see the multivariance of the development of a particular situation. I would say - dispositions of a mathematical situation. You are one of not many who noted the difference in the nature of the analysis of processes associated not only with geometry and number, but also with numerical flows that determine the dimensionality in the parameters of the numerator and denominator. But these are fundamental principles for the analysis of the entire topological local space. And even more so in its dynamic state of transformation not only laminar, but also turbulent and higher energy transformations. That is, you can talk about something that previously it was not even conceivable to even reason. And that is not for everyone.

[gridasov]

The only catch. There is no one to check me. This can be explained only by myself.

[gridasov]

Well done! Good little insert! And that’s all you can say.

[Throw]

Bayun
Not funny. By quantifying the DIRECT and ROUND (Pi), we, to put it mildly, "forget" for the convenience of the mathematical model about their qualitatively different nature. What is forbidden for a physicist ("measuring pears with apples") - mathematics is allowed;) The border of environments, and even with active influence - is a really difficult thing. Maybe the person really formalized it - they would have taken who NEEDS and checked.

Bayun, one nature can even be COLD and HAIRY.
If it's a dead hair

As for the ratio of the number Pi "round and straight", then the LENGTH of a circle and a straight line segment are related there. Which do not have any nature at all, since they are axiomatic abstractions.

It may break your perception matrix, but the straight line is the circle.
Infinite radius.


And if something, WHO needs to be checked, so take it and study the works of Gridasov and formalize the material for anyone to check.
Formulas.

[gridasov]

You are absolutely right that the line, only it is not of infinite radius, but always of fixed dimension and not of infinite radius, but of a radius depending on the potential on the surface of contact with a new topological space of the same nature. Therefore, a wildlife cell or a drop of water divides. But!!! And the circle is always a process that can be measured by the dimensionality of straight line segments of always exact size. However, you are talking only about particularities, and transformation algorithms can be measured and determined at any point not in a circle, but in a sphere or any other configuration of the system right up to its transformation into new ones. So blow up your brain!

[Izotovp]

I would add to this also the pulsations of flows and the dimensionality of time of processes
Yours faithfully !!

[gridasov]

Well, there are no other words and terms to describe the depth of the processes. And I repent. So I am trying to describe the whole content with at least those words that are known. But in general, do you know how people who can know a lot communicate? They give only the direction of reasoning. And then everyone does everything himself.

[Izotovp]

Further, there may be discrepancies in understanding the essence of the ongoing processes and the loss of the thread of communication (((.
By the way, even at school I received an interesting result of manipulation with the gravitational constant: the dimensionality of our space turned out to be M3 / C2. That is, our space is equally accelerated by definition and this cannot be ignored. I thought a lot ... I didn’t have enough education ... and now I don’t remember the chain of transformations, but because of the lack of need for ordinary life, the latest knowledge of mathematics fell off, so I don’t always quickly get into your thoughts.

[gridasov]

We are talking about very important things. Therefore, you need not just confidence in what you are talking about, but you need a complex of qualities that are expressed in high responsibility for each spoken word. We need tolerance and tolerance for any position that opponents express. Life turns into a research process, first of all, of one's own abilities, and only then in understanding the essence of human thinking. At one time I wanted to bury my reasoning in my own mind. But something always obliges me to share knowledge very carefully and calmly. At the same time, not scattering them to the right and left and not for self-interest. It is not for nothing that it is said that "there are always a lot of smart people." At the same time, one should not overestimate oneself, but underestimation is not permissible either. Therefore, you must, first of all, remain yourself and be sincere and responsible, and the main thing is not to dissemble again, just to yourself. And everything will come in due time. Human life is not only bestowed upon us, but it is also an important work entrusted to us to be done. But, it is also a duty that cannot be refused. A scientist must be a believer at the same time. Believers in the rationality and validity of the essence of everything that happens. Then he can get in touch with the depth of understanding that in this world everything and everything has its place and meaning. Time and path are determined for everything. The path in the sequence of events taking place and to the goal that is determined in the thoughts and deeds of our worldly.

[Throw]

Izotovp
even at school I received an interesting result of manipulation with the gravitational constant: the dimensionality of our space turned out to be M3 / C2. That is, our space is equally accelerated by definition

I consider it necessary to add that as a result of such school experiments we discovered in the metric М3 / С2 the next and main part of the denominator С2. This is N5ON, which is a tensor of isotropic spatial acceleration.
And as you correctly noted, when the value of the operator M is equal to 3 (i.e., somewhere on the third), a complete gravitational convolution of the space tensor in time occurs ...

[adept666]

what interesting experiments you had ... I'm afraid to suggest how far you went in the study of universes of pathogenic N-dimensions ...

[Izotovp]

This part of the denominator was actively used in the knowledge of the world a little later, at the Academy

[Throw]

So a little later, at Univer, it was applied even more actively, and, most importantly, more creatively, in combinations, and even in the study of universes went far into the most unexpected dimensions, but N-dimensions really liked

[adept666]

In Shkval, behind the cavitator, there really is, no, not quite a burbulator, but almost))

it doesn’t work all the time (you won’t get any gas ), I already wrote about this in the comments here.

[Throw]

The question is that there is still a bulbator and accelerates forward)

But I won’t say anything about the operating time, but I think that the TTU will accelerate the torpedo without a bulb, kick it off in 4 seconds, as stated, but on the march the gas generator turns on.
And it is not difficult to "find" gas for 2 minutes of the move.

[adept666]

But I won’t say anything about the operating time, but I think that TTU will accelerate the torpedo without a bullet with a kick,

It will accelerate, but the question is structural strength, and not the possibility of acceleration, until the object in the cavity, its tail collapsing completely cuts off a piece of it, so at the stage of dispersal, a cavity is created specifically for transient cavitation-supercavitation modes.

And it is not difficult to "find" gas for 2 minutes of the move.

There, the consumption is quite serious, and the torpedo is not very large, so there is really enough gas for 30 seconds.

[Throw]

Then it is unclear why gas for 30 seconds, when enough 5?

And why the closing cavity of the torpedo tail will cut off ?? This is not a cutting torch with an abrasive, where the jet speed is about 1000m / s. And the Flurry is not cardboard, I felt it with my hands - the piece of iron is still there. Clippers control, again, does not cut ...

[adept666]

Then it is unclear why gas for 30 seconds, when enough 5?

Because creating a stable cavern at a depth of 1 m and 30 m is two very different things; moreover, creating a cavern at a depth of 5 m in the Black Sea does not equal creating a cavern at a depth of 5 m in the Okhotsk (water density is different). Even after reaching supercavitation, the cavity is still not stable, it is subject to vortex pulsations (turbulence) of the flow, especially in the tail part (it takes time to stabilize).

And why the closing cavity of the torpedo tail will cut off ??

Well, good: breaks structural integrity and collapses under the influence of various forces

And the Flurry is not cardboard, I felt it with my hands - the piece of iron is still there.

he cannot be different, otherwise he will add up as a accordion But only a transverse hydroblow of such strength, alas, he will not stand it.

Clippers control, again, does not cut ...

firstly they are solid, and not hollow like a torpedo, and secondly they do not resist the flow, but are built into it.

[adept666]

You are already tortured with your "bobulator"! No gases are emitted towards the movement of the P / T! We do not need a "jet brake"! The cavitator cups, due to the speed, knock out the air dissolved in the water, which creates a vapor-gas cavity.

In fact, during the operation of the starting engine, gas is released (only this is not the gas that the flu says, but the liquefied gas passed through the gas generator), and then, when the speed allows, the cavity is maintained exclusively due to the speed. Nozzles are clearly visible here http://static.laodong.com.vn/uploaded/phamthuhien/2014_11_19/d%20(14)_fawd.jpg Otherwise I agree

[adept666]

Cavitation, in turn, is the process of transformation of the energy structure of matter and not only water.

Campaign potion ...

[gridasov]

In fact, I wonder if I might not be the last one when I justify processes with the positive use of cavitation in a turbine. After all, cavitation processes are superficial, but they can be organized in the entirety of that volume. which passes through the nozzle. Then, at the moment when such a total volume of water collapses, an explosion occurs. And it is this part of the process that is used additionally in the so-called "boerboiler", and in my opinion a new turbine.

[adept666]

Actually, I ask myself, maybe I’m not the last one when I justify processes with the positive use of cavitation in a turbine.

Um, the product discussed in this article is just an example of such a positive use, isn’t it?

"burbulator"

Do not look for a black cat in a dark room, it is not there I already wrote to you what the device stands for and how it works, a cylinder with liquefied gas, a gas generator, nozzles on a cavitator. During acceleration, since it starts it can be said brutally (starting speed under 90 km / h), so that the torpedo does not collapse like a concrete wall (and a full-fledged cavity at this speed cannot be created because the phenomenon is just beginning to nucleate) an artificially created gas generator is used, up to transition mode until the phenomenon becomes stably self-reproducing (by natural physical laws) due to the high speed, then it turns off (or rather, the gas ends, therefore it is impossible to slow down as in ramjet, the bubble will collapse and destroy the product, and even if it does not destroy the product will not be able to reach the previous speed).

[gridasov]

Either I misunderstand something or you are not sincere. Then let's fantasize. I would take a well-known medically dispersed substance produced again known in not many ways and put it in a hopper. this substance interacting with seawater creates excess pressure produced by the chemical. gas reaction. This gas is directed to the front rather than the rear of the torpedo hull, not against the pressure stream of water. and through the nozzles in the opposite direction from the movement. This gas creates a cavity in the mass of the moving medium. . Marching engine creates an additional jet waste mass. Everything is simple and clear. By the way, the latest torpedo models show upgraded cavitators. That is, the pressure flow in the injection method coincides with the gas flow from the bunker-reactor. I think fantasies are not very different from realities. In this case, I do not understand what kind of gas cylinders you are talking about.

[adept666]

Or I misunderstand something

It seems that we do not understand each other because we are talking about different things, I comment on the design of the product, which is discussed in the article, and you about possible new designs. So or not?

This gas is directed to the front rather than the rear of the torpedo hull, not against the pressure stream of water. and through the nozzles in the opposite direction from the movement.

Too large specific impulse, no structural material known today can withstand such a flow turn in the nozzle.

This gas creates a cavity in the mass of the moving medium.

And itself is the main driving force, which is very tempting, the idea is undoubtedly interesting, but to realize this it is not possible to achieve huge values ​​of temperature and pressure will be an insurmountable obstacle.

By the way, the latest torpedo models show upgraded cavitators.

This is a banal modernization, but not an innovation.

I think fantasies are not very different from realities.

I think it’s different

In this case, I do not understand what kind of gas cylinders you are talking about.

Ordinary liquefied inert gas or oxygen, the cylinder stands behind the control unit in the same place as the gas generator in the bow of the reactive torpedo. The operation of the main engine and the creation of the initial cavity are in no way interconnected except by synchronization of the operation mode, i.e. these are two separate devices: the first is water / reagent, the second is liquefied gas / gas generator.

[gridasov]

There are no prerequisites that it is generally worth using high-strength structural materials.
Secondly, correctly set outflow from nozzles will create all transient speeds. That is, the main engine itself is not necessary to set. This simplifies the design. Makes it soundly. Lets make manageable. And its cost is reduced.
The installation of our turbine completely eliminates the chemical process and creates a combination of positive parameters.

[adept666]

There are no prerequisites that it is generally worth using high-strength structural materials.

Seriously? And what do we put? Paper, wax, eggshell? Forgive me, I promised not to be ironic, but here I can’t just resist. I have a question for you, have you done anything apart from theory in your life?

Secondly, correctly set outflow from nozzles will create all transient speeds.

And do you take into account the temperature of the gases of this outflow? Where will the heat be removed from the body walls of the product in contact with them?

That is, the main engine itself is not necessary to set. This simplifies the design.

It simplifies in theory, but in practice is not feasible, or with such costs that you will cry ...

Makes it soundly.

What is this conclusion based on?

Lets make manageable.

Yeah, what will you create a direction vector for? Any slightest turn and your torpedo itself is the cavern of that same cartilage slice and chop off somewhere in the tail

And its cost is reduced.

With such structural difficulties, it will be California

The installation of our turbine completely eliminates the chemical process and creates a combination of positive parameters.

A couple of clarifications: 1 whose is yours? (Does the group work for you or is it about yourself in a respectful tone) 2: does your turbine in metal exist / drawings / thoughts?

[gridasov]

I don't have time today. So I apologize. I will answer only part of the question. Since I consider the interaction of a hydrodynamic flow with the surface of a material at the level of magnetic force interactions, then, in my analysis, magnetizable materials are needed. Ie banal alloyed iron. And already the shape of the outflow surface forms an increase or decrease in ionization or magnetizing processes, which leads to the effects of superfluidity, etc. This allows you to manipulate the magnetic flux and potential causing the so-called. pressure and temperature. The turbine itself is built on these principles. I will add that both temperature and pressure are all gradients of magnetic force interactions. Therefore, in the analysis of high-potential processes, they will have to get rid of and "play" with magnetic fluxes

[adept666]

Therefore, in the analysis of high-potential processes, they will have to get rid of and "play" with magnetic fluxes

This is all wonderful, but the question arises of how we will do this?

[gridasov]

You do not read all posts. Especially mine. I often talk about an analysis methodology built not on a variable function of a number, but on a constant function of a number, i.e. building an analysis system not on computational processes with numbers, but on distribution ones. In other words, the construction of an analysis system that allows you to take into account all the multivariance of associated processes. In general, if I start to tell, but I’ll hear enough from you.

[gridasov]

Slightly freed. I will give an example. If you put such our turbine in front of the aircraft. In front of the wing. That aircraft does not need to be dispersed in order to obtain lift on the wing. The same on underwater vehicles, the propulsion in the front creates a whole range of advantages over the rear propeller. Firstly, the cavitation zone is used in the closed part of the turbine as a stage of the reactor and all cavitation noises are controlled. Secondly, modern turbines and high-energy devices have been developing for a very long time because each stage of the process and part are adjusted during the experiment. Calculation of our turbine is made only by two or three parameters. And most importantly, the radius. That is, having a radius and statistics, all other energy levels of turbines at other scales are built very easily. All construction and calculation is carried out as a harmonious extension of the calculation and drawing. A working sample of the turbine is, by the way, in Russia. But this is a laboratory layout, and with a shortage of funds, the development process is slow and at the expense of its own capabilities. Since I can’t always be, I don’t fully open myself to other people. They themselves are not very proactive. But something is being done. In general, everything is obvious and without illusions.

[adept666]

A working sample of the turbine is, by the way, in Russia.

Intrigued straight.

But this is a laboratory layout, and with a shortage of funds, the development process is slow and at the expense of its own capabilities.

If it’s no secret, what kind of group of designers in the Russian Federation works on this topic?

[gridasov]

Who is a dreamer is you. Where did I pronounce -group? I am an artist-designer with engineering skills. And then we do not deal with torpedoes, but developed the fundamental principles for the operation of the turbine on new algorithms in it processes. Those who wish to join are already enough to represent the problem. Everyone wants to sit on their tail and do nothing at the same time. By the way, most want to resell abroad. Therefore, while fighting off. Yes, you yourself can’t imagine that we are reasonably arguing for ideas and already a technology on the basis of which you can create and will create aviation and all other types of turbines. This is not the turbine itself. These are new approaches to analysis and technology and production and use. And believe me, for decades I feel inside me who and where in the world is following a similar path. BUT alas!

[adept666]

Where did I pronounce -group? I am an artist-designer with engineering skills.

2 people are already a group.

on new algorithms in her processes

the power of this phrase my brain, alas, cannot digest

Yes, you yourself can’t imagine that we are reasonably arguing for ideas and the technology on the basis of which you can create and will create aviation and all other types of turbines. This is not the turbine itself.

You know, I heard this many times, but the reality turned out to be more commonplace, let me remain a skeptic in this matter

[gridasov]

It is impossible not to agree with you that there are a lot of ideas and reasoning that have not been thought out to the depths around. However, there is also a needle in the "haystack" that we are looking for. Therefore, I quite consciously perceive the process that we Russians extinguish the fire, when it has already "spread to the brink." As about a joke, the main thing in any joke is its timing. So it is with us.

[adept666]

However, there is also a needle in the "haystack" that we are looking for.

Well, what quite sincerely I want to wish you good luck in this difficult matter.

As about the joke, the main thing in any joke is its timeliness of utterance. So it is with us.

The main thing is that the sense of humor did not leave you, otherwise I began to experience some pessimistic notes in this thread in your comments that are noticeable, which was not the case before.

[gridasov]

Everything is fine! We need to work and continue to move on. You also have success.

[scorpiosys]

The speed of the "air bubble" in water is also not unlimited. Perhaps it is somewhere in the region of 380 km / h with its given dimensions.

[dauria]

Range and speed: mutually exclusive things, here you need to choose one thing.

Well, Yuri Gagarin immediately flew and faster than anyone and farthest. Of course, I agree with you - "Flurry" is in itself almost a "miracle of nature". The idea to use always "harmful" cavitation is a masterpiece of our inventors. And even if the value as a weapon is questionable, we will still be the first.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: venaya

Range and speed: mutually exclusive things, here you need to choose one thing.

Well, why! You have probably heard about dual-mode torpedoes that have marching (50-60uz) and search (30-40uz) speed. For example, the Amer’s Mk-48 is dual-mode, with approximately such parameters for underwater travel.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

having marching (50-60uz) and search (30-40uz) speed. For example, the Amer’s Mk-48 is dual-mode, with approximately such parameters for underwater travel.

MK-48 at a maximum range of 30 minutes. And I doubt that she does this absolutely silently. Even at 30 knots a torpedo will be easy to spot.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: ruslan

a flurry-2 should be homing and hit 50-100 km.

I am afraid that this is in principle impossible at the current level of development of science and technology. At least not a g / a way to detect a target. Air wall, own free flow noise ...
Where is the way out? Bring P / T out of the water into the air, overcome (quickly - 2M speed!) The distance to the target, splash down in the target area and attack it with a homing projectile! For this, our submarines are armed with the "Waterfall" complex with PLUR 91R.
General principle of action. After entering the firing data into the onboard SU (EDC, if any, received from the Institute, if not, then P-D + estimated N course of the submarine) Next, the 91P district is fired at the VIC zone (detecting enemy submarines). As a means of hitting a missile, the 91P carries a homing small-sized torpedo of the UMGT, belonging to the 3rd generation PLURO. It provides independent search and detection of submarines in a silent mode, high-speed rapprochement with it and defeat before it begins to perform evasion and counteraction maneuvers.
A 91R ballistic missile of the "PL-PL" class is launched into the target detection zone from a TATA 533mm caliber from a depth of 20 to 150 m at a speed of up to 15 knots. (D firing with H = 20-50 m is 5-50 km, and when launched from a depth of 150 m - 5-35 km. A salvo can contain up to 4 missiles. Prelaunch preparation time is 10 s).
The solid propellant rocket motor of the 1st stage of the PLUR 91P provides its movement on the underwater section of the trajectory, out of the water and climb. Then there is the separation of the solid propellant rocket engine, and the second stage flies into the target zone. When flying in an air section of the trajectory, the onboard inertial control system ensures stabilization and guidance of the rocket at a given aiming point. Anti-submarine torpedo (UMGT-2) is parachuted. (This is a universal small-sized torpedo, has an acoustic active-passive homing system, the radius of response through the active channel is 1 m. The energy source is a silver-magnesium battery activated by sea water. Caliber - 1500 mm. V max. - 400 knots.)
Next is the search for submarines in a diverging spiral, its capture and destruction.
In the photo the PLUR exits from under the water.

[kepmor]

And what will actually happen? You will talk to the naval experts on this topic. I think that a ten-minute obscene tirade from their lips will sharply cool your "urapatriotic" impulse!

[Oberon 1]

We had a lot of really embodied technologies that nobody had !!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Still, the range would have been 50 kilometers and would have been controlled at similar speeds and there would have been no price.

[Hubun]

impressive features

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I read about this development for a long time ... Really?

[gjv]

Quote: MIKHAN

I read about this development for a long time ... Really?

Torpedo M-5 complex VA-111 "Flurry"

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

She has a ridiculous range and depth of travel.

TTX “Flurry”
Caliber - 533,4 mm
Length - 8 meters
Torpedo weight - 2700 kg
Warhead power - 150 kt in the nuclear version, or 210 kg of conventional explosives
Marching speed - 375 km / h
The range is about 7 km, up to 13 km (new version). The old version is 2 km.
Engine - ramjet engine

TTX "Shkval-E"
Caliber, mm - 533,4
Length, mm - 8200
Weight, kg - 2700
Range, km - to 10
Speed ​​on the march, m / s - 90-100
The angle after a volley reversal, degrees - ± 20
Depth of stroke on the march, m - 6
Type of warhead - high explosive
Mass of warhead (TNT equivalent), kg - not less than 210
Type of launch - surface or underwater
Underwater launch depth, m - up to 30
Direct-flow hydraulic jet engine

Disadvantages
Due to the enormous speed (200 knots), the torpedo produces a lot of noise and vibration, which unmasks the submarine.
The short launch range (only 13 km) unmasks the submarine, which negatively affects survivability.
The maximum depth of the course (up to 30 m) does not allow hitting submarines at great depths.
The specific impulse of a ramjet engine is 2,5-3 times higher than that of known rocket engines, which can cause damage to the sonar of the submarine, in addition, the bow of the torpedo does not allow the homing head to be installed on it - outboard water flows through the bow.
Low probability of hitting a target with a conventional warhead and without a seeker.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Thank ! They did it all ... And this is just the beginning!

[user1212]

Quote: MIKHAN

I read about this development for a long time ... Really?

In what sense did it really work out? She entered service in 1977 ...

[serega73]

yes, it’s been heard about her for a long time ... The beach of Poseidon, it seems, she was also called so

[Anton Gavrilov]

Propaganda in order to intimidate their leadership with a Russian "super torpedo" in order to shake the money out of the leadership for their development.

[VALERIK_097]

I agree with your opinion 100%

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

our torpedo weapon in some cases was made essentially like a pistol, and in the west, in the usa, in particular as a sniper rifle

The Americans, basically, have fiber optic control, which is not such an abstruse technology, but reliable and convenient, it is not clear what makes it difficult to do this in Russia.
A flurry can be combined, in a certain area it would go as usual and in the end as a torpedo.

[Anton Gavrilov]

Normal remote control prevents you from introducing a vicious outlook on many things that has persisted for a long time. Now it seems like they started to do it right.

Unfortunately, the capabilities of the new boats, specifically the 885 / 885М and 955 / 955А projects, are unknown, since the PUTs are of great importance, and on the new boats the name of the PUTs is not known, what can I say about the possibilities.

[gjv]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The Americans, basically, have fiber optic control, which is not such an abstruse technology, but reliable and convenient, it is not clear what makes it difficult to do this in Russia.

TE-2 - Export universal remote-controlled homing electric torpedo. The Central Research Institute "Gidropribor" was created on the basis of the experimental UETT - a universal electric remote-controlled torpedo of 1987 release, as an export version of the USET-80KM torpedo with a remote control system. In the period from 1990 to 2002, the Central Research Institute "Gidropribor", under a contract with China, developed the UETT torpedo, delivered products and the necessary documentation to the customer. According to 2009, the development of a torpedo for the submarine pr.677 LADA under the name TE-2 began in the 1990s. The TE-2 torpedo is designed to destroy submarines, surface ships and stationary sea objects. Serial production of torpedoes is expected at the Dvigatel plant (St. Petersburg). Tests (MVI) of the TE-2-02 torpedoes were supposed to pass in 2007. It is offered for export as of 2009 and earlier. In some sources, the torpedo carries the erroneously assigned code "Toy".

The TE-2 torpedo in the TE-2-01 version at the exhibition of arms of the naval saloon IMDS-2009 in St. Petersburg (photo - ABL22, http://military.tomsk.ru/forum)

Modifications
TE-2 model 01 - designed for 533-mm torpedo tubes with mechanical data input;
TE-2 model 02 - designed for 533-mm torpedo tubes with electrical data input;
TE-2 model 03 - has increased speed and homing radius for submarines and low cost, designed for 533-mm torpedo tubes with electrical data input
The torpedo TE-2 has a cigar-shaped shape divided into 7 main compartments:
The head compartment is a universal acoustic homing system (active-passive - for firing at submarines and sub-jet - for firing at NK).
In the combat charging compartment there are non-contact and contact fuses and an explosive charge such as a marine mixture, which ensures effective destruction of the target.
In the instrument compartment there is a small-sized specialized computer, an electronic unit of a telecontrol system, and elements of an automated control system.
In the battery compartment - a disposable battery activated by sea water.
In the power compartment there is an electric dual-mode power-plant (bi-rotational electric motor), a depth setting unit and a course setting unit with mechanical (spindle) data input (for TE-2-01) and a telecontrol torpedo coil (TKTU).
In the aft compartment with a tail section there are propellers and four feathers with vertical and horizontal rudders for controlling the torpedo in direction and depth on the bearing planes of which a connector for electrical data input is fixed (for TE-2-02).
Remote control boat coil.
Weight 2450 (2400 without CTU) kg
Length 8300 (7900 without CTU) mm
Diameter 533 mm
MC warhead, 250 kg
Speed ​​45 knots (1 mode) 32 knots (2 mode)
Range 15 km (1 mode) 25 km (2 mode)
Depth of the submarine when firing 5-350 m
Homing control with NK Telecontrol with submarine

[gjv]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The Americans, basically, have fiber optic control, which is not such an abstruse technology, but reliable and convenient, it is not clear what makes it difficult to do this in Russia.

TEST-71 / TEST-71M - Anti-submarine remote-controlled electric homing torpedo. Developed by TsNII-173 (TsNIIAG) and TsNII "Gidropribor" in the course of work on the "Dolphin-2" design and development project. Chief designers - ZM Persits and MP Baluev, according to some sources - VA Golubkov. The R&D task was to install a telecontrol system on the SET-65 homing torpedoes. The tests of the Dolphin-2 complex were carried out in the Baltic and on Lake Ladoga. The torpedo and the Dolphin-2 telecontrol system were put into service under the name TEST-71 and KTU-71 in 1971. Later it was upgraded to TEST-71M. The TEST-71ME-NK modification is universal in terms of carriers and targets.

Torpedo TEST-71 (Proshkin S., Marinin V. Russian torpedo weapons. // Military parade. No. 3/1997)

Torpedo TEST-71M at the exhibition of the marine salon IMDS-2005, St. Petersburg, 2005 (http://paralay.iboards.ru)

In the instrument compartment - acoustic active-passive homing system.
In the combat charging compartment there is a non-contact acoustic fuse, an igniter and an explosive.
The battery compartment has a silver-zinc battery.
In the instrument compartment of the telecontrol - control devices, an electronic unit and a torpedo coil.
In the rear part there is a power plant and mechanisms that control the movement of the torpedo, two propellers and four feathers with vertical and horizontal rudders to control the torpedo in direction and depth.
At the helm of the tail is a towed coil.
Weight 1750 kg
Length 7900 mm
Diameter 533,4 mm
Warhead 205 kg
DC motor
Speed ​​35 knots and 24 knots
Range 15 km at 24 knots
SSN range of 800 m at 35 knots
Depth up to 400 m
TEST-71 - removed from the arsenal of the Russian Federation.
TEST-71M -

[gjv]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The Americans, basically, have fiber optic control, which is not such an abstruse technology, but reliable and convenient, it is not clear what makes it difficult to do this in Russia.

TT-1 - Export remote-controlled thermal torpedo. The torpedo was created on the basis of one of the promising torpedoes for the Russian Navy. Developed by the Central Research Institute "Gidropribor".

The layout of the torpedo TT-1

The control and guidance system is a strapdown inertial control system. The remote control of the torpedo is carried out until the target is captured by the homing system (SSN). CCH torpedoes on the wake track provides minimal loss of catch-up speed by aiming inside the wake track of the target. When used with surface ships, telecontrol is not used.
The engine is a dual-mode thermal axial piston engine powered by a unitary fuel (monofuel) with a jet propulsion device.
TTX torpedoes:
Caliber - 533.4 mm
TT-1 Russia TT-1 NATO
Length 7200 mm 5895 mm
Weight 2000 kg 1700 kg
Weight of explosives 425 kg 425 kg (in TNT equivalent)
Warranty period of storage on the carrier - 12 months
Assigned service life - 10 years
Assigned service life with average repair - 20 years
Carriers: submarines and surface ships (without remote control).
Export:
China - in the period from 1990 to 2002, the Central Research Institute "Gidropribor", under a contract with China, carried out work on the development of the TT-1 torpedo - the work was completed by the supply of individual product compartments.

[gridasov]

You are absolutely right that no one has systemic knowledge to justify the physical processes that accompany the movement of this torpedo. But it is precisely on this dashboard that those axioms are confirmed that it is already possible and time to create turbines using those physical effects that are obvious. You just need to carry out the analysis according to new methods and organize the processes themselves according to the algorithms, and not think uniformity.

[adept666]

Add to this the zero stealth of the torpedo, because there is such a noise that there is not even any talk about any stealth of the boat after the salvo.

And also the fact that because of her nightmarish specific impulse, she can easily damage the case ...

[qQQQ]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Propaganda in order to intimidate their leadership with a Russian "super torpedo" in order to shake the money out of the leadership for their development

I maintain that high speed and a cavity make it impossible to aim at a target during movement, so shooting is carried out at a given point, on the basis that the target will not be able to go far and perform a maneuver in a short period of time. I strongly doubt the sufficient effectiveness of firing a torpedo with a conventional warhead. Even if you take into account the shooting from 10 km, then, in fact, the submariners turn into suicide bombers. No wonder this torpedo never became the main one for our Navy.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Anton Gavrilov

Propaganda in order to intimidate their leadership with a Russian "super torpedo" in order to shake the money out of the leadership for their development.

I think that your comment, Dear Anton, is the closest to reality, because there really is no compelling reason to suddenly recall the development of more than twenty years ago. Moreover, as some colleagues are right, the torpedo is effective when used with a "nuclear" warhead. Which, of course, does not detract from its merits as a promising direction in the development of such types of weapons.

Something like that, colleague.

[Igor39]

TTX "Shkval-E"
Caliber, mm - 533,4
Length, mm - 8200
Weight, kg - 2700
Range, km - to 10
Speed ​​on the march, m / s - 90-100
The angle after a volley reversal, degrees - ± 20
Depth of stroke on the march, m - 6
Type of warhead - high explosive
Mass of warhead (TNT equivalent), kg - not less than 210
Type of launch - surface or underwater
Underwater launch depth, m - up to 30
Direct-flow hydraulic jet engine
Disadvantages
Due to the enormous speed (200 knots), the torpedo produces strong noise and vibration, which unmasks the submarine. [5]
The short launch range (only 13 km) unmasks the submarine, which negatively affects survivability.
The maximum depth of the course (up to 30 m) does not allow hitting submarines at great depths.
The specific impulse of a ramjet engine is 2,5-3 times higher than that of known rocket engines, which can cause damage to the sonar of the submarine, in addition, the bow of the torpedo does not allow the homing head to be installed on it - overboard water flows through the bow. [6]
Low probability of hitting a target with a conventional warhead and without a seeker.

[Penetrator]

Quote: Igor39

The short launch range (only 13 km) unmasks the submarine, which negatively affects survivability

In general, the weapon of death row. The justification for the use is only an unequal exchange of submarines for a more significant target (the same aircraft carrier)

[Andrey NM]

What are you talking about? What are the suicide weapons? It was invented in order not to become a suicide bomber, this is a weapon of self-defense. She has a nuclear "head", shot at the whole group and fled.
And the "Shkval" was invented as a result of disinformation, the Americans leaked information, allegedly they have a torpedo with a speed of more than 100 knots. We thought that this was a super task, our industry would break the navel. Not torn. Then Edmond Pope got caught in the drawings, portrayed a cancer patient. EBN let him go, but in vain. Pope is now writing books about how he sat in Lefortovo. I am not exaggerating at all. For some reason, he especially remembered the "parasha", he spoke about it in an interview.

And the picture in the head of the article - here is the Shark, and the rocket under water, and the dolphin stunned

[shoe]

An interesting unit-380km per hour under water? Fantasy!

[Sharky]

No fiction, only the laws of nature. A low pressure area is created around the rocket torpedo, which causes such an effect as cavitation. Cavitation is the formation of water vapor bubbles in areas with reduced pressure, so the torpedo rocket moves in a "gas pocket" (gas - water vapor). In this mode, the friction force between the surface of the medium (sea water) and the surface of the Squall is significantly reduced. This is the main reason for the development of a sufficiently high speed under water. Cavitation is a negative effect and attempts are made to reduce it in the case of propellers or impellers in centrifugal pumps. New materials and alloys are being produced, as when the vapor bubble collapses, energy is released, which destroys the material of the propeller or impeller. Caverns appear on the surface. But, scientists have also found a positive use of this effect (cavitation effect) in this rocket torpedo or underwater ammunition (underwater machine gun APS).

[shoe]

You described everything correctly. But calculate the energy consumption to create a 'gas pocket' plus energy for movement, plus a warhead! In the laboratory, you can, but these are serial devices!

[Sharky]

The "gas pocket" is created by means of a nozzle on the nose of the rocket torpedo. The nozzle (shape and dimensions) was calculated once in KB, and the rest are made according to the template (by casting or on a lathe - I really don't know). And since such a rocket torpedo was created, then it was expedient in terms of the ratio of fuel consumption to efficiency. For the sake of speed, I had to sacrifice something (read the disadvantages).

[shoe]

Well, let's calculate, sharpen and put a nozzle on the bow of a motor boat-380km per hour? Something is not visible. And as for expediency, I completely agree with you.

[Sharky]

A motor boat moves through a section of two environments. Cavitation is possible only in a liquid medium. Therefore, it is not possible to calculate the nozzle. A submarine - yes, theoretically possible. Just how to navigate under water and get coordinates? Can a person be in such a submarine because of all the associated vibrations and overloads? It would be possible - they would have already calculated and built, you can not doubt it.

[shoe]

And who is stopping to put the nozzle on the keel? I was engaged in hydrodynamics and affirm that it’s theoretically impossible to give such a speed to a vessel with a displacement of thousands of tons! And as for the human factor, you are right, but there are devices that do not care about acceleration-robots. By the way, cavitation is possible not only in a liquid medium.

[gridasov]

Why do you think that the shell is a low pressure area? On the contrary, this is an area of ​​ultra-high pressure that changes the polarization of the body or surface of the torpedo outflow from interaction with water to interaction with gas. If cavitation occurred on the surface of the casing outflow, then the destruction of this material would be inevitable. No material existing on the planet can withstand the temperature of the cavitation pulse. On the other hand, it is obvious that cavitation processes occur at the interface between gas and water, where layers of interaction between gas in water and water in gas are formed. And it is in these layers that the acoustic effect of accompanying cavitation is formed. Therefore, fish use "technical" natural effects that reduce cavitation, but at the same time use the concentration and distribution of magnetic force fluxes over the entire body of the entire body and on the surface of the outflow.

[Sharky]

Cavitation is precisely the formation of vapor bubbles in low pressure areas. Imagine a propeller spinning in water that carries water along with it. On some areas of the propeller blades, areas of pressure rarefaction and the appearance of bubbles will occur. When the pressure decreases (there is a rupture of the water flow near the surface of the propeller blade), the water passes from the liquid state to the gas state (bubbles), since when the pressure decreases, the boiling point decreases. Then the blade turns and the profile changes. Discharge zones disappear and the bubbles soak, releasing energy. This energy destroys the surface of the screw. The destruction of the material is inevitable, but not as intense as you think. Modern propellers can work for years, like lionfish in centrifugal pumps. There are special alloys that are resistant to cavitation, and the life cycle of a rocket torpedo is low. During her approach to the goal, cavitation will not cause noticeable wear to the body.

[Andryukha G]

The Shkval missile is intended (in its larger mission) to destroy the famous American aircraft carriers (which, due to their enormous size, are excellent targets for an underwater missile flying under water at a speed of 380 km / h).

[andranick]

Rather, to destroy the carrier groups using special. warhead. At least in terms of performance characteristics, it is difficult to imagine another application. In this case, the unmasking effect is not important, the speed and power of the impact are important

[Zomanus]

Flurry has its drawbacks, so I wouldn’t really be happy.
In particular. engines start to work even in the torpedo compartment,
which immediately identifies the boat.

[Federal]

The pundits in Russia have not yet transferred, not everyone has sold themselves to a foreign paradise, it takes a sense of pride for our scientists from the defense industry. I bow to them for such inventions and developments.

[Alexander 3]

This underwater rocket flies only in a straight line. Of course there are minuses, but missiles used to fly only in a straight line. Our kulibins, I think, will teach her how to maneuver.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Alexander 3

This underwater rocket flies only in a straight line. Of course there are minuses, but missiles used to fly only in a straight line. Our kulibins, I think, will teach her how to maneuver.

Be sure to teach ..! Give time, money and do not bother!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Alexander 3

Our kulibins, I think, will teach her how to maneuver.

Maneuver at such a speed, in such a dense environment? Well, what strength characteristics of the body do you need to have?
Further in a circle: strength pulled weight, weight - energy, that weight again, etc.
(Be in Kolyma - I beg you! - No, you’re better off to us, to Moscow! (S)

[Alexander 3]

And with a decrease in speed on a course change, I think I will be able to maneuver.

[gridasov]

Ask any physicist. Maneuverability at any ultra-high linear speed is achieved by changing the plane. Or along a simple, linear plane to the plane of rotation.

[gridasov]

Maybe someone misunderstood that the body itself does not have to be moved to the plane of rotation. For this, you just need to control the magnetic force flows around the object of motion.

[dgiguli1962]

This refers to nuclear warheads.

[tlauicol]

yeah, bch for anti-torpedo defense?

[Reptiloid]

Seeing such a development in Russia, the Americans are doing their best to harm Russia.
Russia is gaining strength no matter what.

[tlauicol]

This is a development of the USSR, and Americans need horror stories to knock out the military budget, and that’s what scares taxpayers

[Old26]

Quote: ruslan

a flurry-2 should be homing and hit 50-100 km. then the fleet will be able to genocide any enemy pl :)

Yeah and the dimensions of the torpedo T-15 ... What is everyone's desire to "invent" something better than the designers of the same torpedo. If a torpedo of the "Shkval" type - then 100 km (by the way, why not 300)? if KR - so in any "hole plug", ready to put at least on carts ...

Quote: Tlauicol

They write to Herney: "A 463-pound missile warhead detonating at a set time can destroy nearby enemy submarines and approaching torpedoes," the authors of the rating write.

Flurry can neither submarines (except that in the water position), nor torpedoes to hit

I agree, it can be written (or translated) clumsily, but she could hit boats and surface ships (no torpedoes). The truth is probably not with detonation at the set time, i.e. remotely. Although an explosion of 210 kg of explosives can cause damage to the boat in case of non-contact detonation, it will certainly put you off course or hit torpedoes

[Vadim237]

In principle, you can create a torpedo without a cavitator, capable of developing even 1000 kilometers per hour.

[razv35]

What prevents the submarine from firing such a torpedo "quietly", aiming at the target and only at the final stage turn on the engines and hit the target 100%.
This is a fundamentally new weapon and it must be used in a fundamentally new way.

An underwater unmanned vehicle in search of a target, upon detection of such, produces one or more shots by such missiles. Win-win option

[tlauicol]

Dimensions: add one more step to 8200 mm
Mass: 2700 +++ how much? a couple more tons?
The new TA will need to be developed, longer, possibly wider
Accordingly, new submarines
Homing ??? The nose part sucks in water, where to put the GOS?
Yes, hundreds of problems will arise ..

[VALERIK_097]

razv35: read something about sea mines and you don’t have to invent anything.

[Old26]

Quote: MIKHAN

I read about this development for a long time ... Really?

It has already been removed from service, more precisely from ships and submarines, but you just heard what happened ???

[ASG7]

Well, here again, the eternal struggle of optimists and pessimists. Let's just say that the Shkval design has a huge reserve for modernization and what our designers have already crammed into it and what they can cram in the future will always remain an intolerable headache for our potential opponents under the heading "top secret".

[gridasov]

Exactly! All that is associated with this torpedo is part of the algorithms for cognition and development of technologies. This is primarily an understanding of the essence of physical processes. And I can say that I am again and again asserting that we are still able to create a turbine using such algorithms for organizing physical processes, in which the processes associated with this torpedo are used as part of some private stages. How secret it is, one can only guess.

[ASG7]

Undoubtedly. Explication of fundamental physical processes cannot lead to the creation of extraordinary technical solutions. For their implementation in hardware, empirical knowledge, expressed in design schools, and luck in defining interactions at the level of processes depending on an infinite number of unknowns and passing into the realm of fantasy, under the heading of "special importance" are necessary.

[gridasov]

I must warn you that on the pages of this site they know me as not quite normal, but thank GOD they endure. Therefore, I will accept any answer and no offense. I will answer your quotes from the last line. At the modern mathematical level, it is impossible to find the only correct mathematical solution based on a complex of limited input parameters and at the same time get an infinite set of unknowns. And while using exclusively binary logic in the "analysis". Therefore, many technical solutions are balancing on the edge of what is perceived as fantasy. Moreover, they themselves are one step away from implementation. So . Complex, high-capacity, highly dynamic, and it is worth clarifying - mixed-dynamic combined processes can be subjected to mathematical analysis in their entirety only if you use not a function of a number based on its variable value, but on a constant function of a number. Then it is possible not only to enter the initial parameters of the analysis without restrictions, but also to obtain a system expressed not by the only correct answer, but to obtain precisely a system of comparative parameters. In other words, in modern mathematics, they do not know what the essence of the analysis itself is. This is not the only correct solution that we are looking for and which we can only double-check by the reverse process. This analysis is precisely the opportunity to consider mathematically the disposition of the selected solution from the standpoint of different contiguous mathematical processes. I hope I make myself clear? In short. The same cavitation process must be considered as complex and taking into account the development of the entire set of individual processes both in water and in its different parts and on the outflow surface, etc. Therefore, if they tell me that cavitation occurs in a low pressure area, then this is already a test for prof suitability. And when I talk about technical solutions that can already be mastered and applied, then of course I understand why I am not normal

[ASG7]

Sorry if I offended, I did not want to. That's just why so simplify my judgments to such a state that any first grader will digest them.

[gridasov]

No, this did not apply to you. This is so preemptive. An interested person wants to explain and do it with pleasure, but self-confident in his erroneous conviction and also being rude to the right and left, patience needs to be obtained somewhere else. Sorry to take this to yourself.

[gridasov]

And you know that you remarked very appropriately. When I talk about building a complex system of analysis on a constant function of a number, people who are little familiar with mathematics understand me much faster than those who know the intricacies of the basics of modern higher computational mathematics. I myself thought for decades that I was going crazy on my own. But after all, numbers and obvious processes with them are too real "things" that do not even allow one to go crazy.

[ASG7]

I just wanted to ask, where is the line between reality and fantasy, from the point of view of mathematical calculations.

[gridasov]

I would say differently. Where is the line between the illusion that ensures our vitality in this or that world and the reality that we are able to perceive in order to remain human.

[gridasov]

Let me also note that it is empirical spontaneous decisions that can no longer give a breakthrough effect both in ideas and in the analysis and development of what will be created and developed. Why? Because I highly note that high-potential physical processes are again complex, and single correct decisions will be ruined by the next stage of the transient transformation of the process. I also note that high-potential processes have an equivalent growth in their transience, if I may say so.

[ASG7]

I'm already afraid to comment, but I will risk it. All these conclusions and statements are probably from my own experience. And explain in what sense the word "complex" (well, in the sense - complex or with an imaginary unit)?

[gridasov]

You do not beware. I'm the same first-grader in this area as everyone else, Just a little earlier I came into contact with this. Therefore, self-conceit does not torment me. I will say right away that any person, neither in the past nor in the future, can invent all of this. Too everything is diverse and extraordinary. Therefore, sometimes you have to take everything on yourself, so as not to scare people. I just involuntarily have the ability to see what others do not see and no more.
Integrated is not abstractly complex. This is a perfect and not ambiguous statement in the form of mathematical constructions by numbers. Everything that we see in these structures is already the deepest content. But what we see is only and only numbers, their flows, their interconnectedness and algorithms. Their comparability and latent dynamics and potential. But we see all this and rather perceive it, and the terminology is already a derivative. Therefore, nothing imaginary or veiled. Everything is absolutely accurate and clear. Therefore, I’m saying that information can have not just an expanded space, but also the potential for depth or richness. And so I just applied some aspects of this analysis to processes that we sometimes call chaotic, turbulent, etc. In fact, everything is very simple and accessible to our understanding, and most importantly, it is applicable to the practical development in the form of the devices of which I speak.

[ASG7]

Thank. I think your answer is exhaustive for me and there are no more questions.

[gridasov]

I'll give you an example. Where do the legs "grow" from? On the one hand, we solve a geometrical problem, and on the other, a calculation one and related to numbers. With a geometric definition, we take a static definition of the shape of a circle for any of its dimensions and do not imagine that any circle is a derivative of a polygon in the direction of increasing or decreasing its angles. THIS I am not talking about a full-size figure - SPHERE. We determine the dimension relative to the certain number we have chosen. And we divide the dimension of the circumference by the diameter and divide. And we will share it ad infinitum. In fact. the dimension of the circumference can always be reduced to an integer value, like the diameter. And the algorithms of the dimension of transformation of the dimension of a number of this length changes as an algorithm, as well as the process with the diameter. That is, these are two independent processes of dimension transformations. But they have not only their own algorithms for changes, but also an algorithm for transforming their ratio. Mathematically, all this is shown quite simply and clearly, so as not to say that this is nonsense. But! We do not ask ourselves a question, but how does this circle or sphere change and expand or contract in accordance with the change in the dimension of its circumference and diameter? But there is a law that with a change in the dimension of the topological space, each point of this space changes its disposition both in dimension and in location and in the way it moves. Therefore, to call us-people primitive is not enough to say. And from here follows the understanding of why the drop breaks away from the main stream, or why it is formed and why and why the jet is formed and how it moves. Why and why the drop collapses, but first forms a certain dimension, etc. And we all call this CAVITATION. Laughter and nothing more. Sometimes it seems to me that being a simple and naive person is the highest happiness.

[ASG7]

Excuse me. but with your description of Pi, you reminded me of a student from China, when in his textbook on hydrodynamics, instead of the basics, I saw that they were studying specific designs of hydraulic devices. For me, the Pi number is the coefficient of transition of a linear quantity to a nonlinear one, in order to simplify the calculations.

[gridasov]

In my opinion, I did not write anything from myself. I have described only the real things that we neglect. Why did you attribute this to my fantasy. You yourself say that for you this is only an opportunity to solve the problem of the transition of linear quantities to nonlinear ones, and I have shown an even greater depth of the content of the process associated with the Pi number. And it turns out I look like a student. In general, the star shines for us, the path is illuminated, everyone knows how and what to do. Go ahead for orders.

[35lisment35]

Kursk died because of this torpedo

[gridasov]

Why not? The chemical reactions that underlie the movement of this torpedo obviously remain uncontrollable. And that is a fact. You don’t even need to touch the mass of water, but the level of humidity of the environment is enough to activate the reaction. If this happened in the case, then the end is inevitable. Therefore, the prospects for these technologies are not entirely bright.

[gridasov]

You are familiar with the concepts of the level of interaction of the microdispersed material produced by its emission when using high current with a level of dispersion of water in a vapor state. If not, then I stop raving.

[Old26]

Quote: 35lisment35

Kursk died because of this torpedo

Everyone always said that from the 65th she died ...

[PPD]

The torpedo is designed to use Yab. He has no guidance. In fact, bang somewhere there. We have nowhere else to put special ammunition? In general, the idea is beautiful, but unfinished.

[Resistance]

Already got this buggy VA-111. Okay zhurnalyugi without brains, but the rest? Before she shoots, you get stuck on a boat to create the required launch conditions. And the distance? It is forbidden for an opponent to approach the distance of 2 times as much into the aft sector of heading courses. If our submarine weapon has a travel distance of less than 30 km, it’s a useless load (the enemy will either not get it, or will have time to leave). If a weapon cannot be shot in emergency mode for 45 seconds without the shadow sector of the KKU, at V = up to 16-18 knots, at depths to the working one - thank you, no need.

[sir_obs]

Diluted again butiaga.
The question is, who didn’t actually attack the ships and submarines on the pl.
Who generally held the tactical leadership on the tactics and combat use of torpedo weapons?

It is especially funny to hear about the fact that we have a topopedia pistol, while the United States has a sniper rifle.

In fact, a torpedo is a gun, especially when compared with missile weapons.
So from the experience of combat use. The effective range of torpedoes for a surface ship is 45 cable, for a submarine is 25 cable.
And if the torpedo has a range of 30 kilometers, this does not mean that at such a distance you will get somewhere. The homing system works at a very small distance from the target, first you need to bring the torpedo to a point where it can capture the target, but the target does not go in a straight line and the greater the distance, the more difficult it is to get into it,
As for the barrage, he’s exactly a gun, shooting on a bearing in the real place of the target, when there is no time to determine its elements of movement, it is a weapon, first of all, of self-defense.

[evge-malyshev]

Quote: gridasov

The controlled torpedo movement function set by the operator is tantamount to controlling an unmanned vehicle

Understood, but if in Russian, then - "control function ...". Thanks for the tip.

[Zaurbek]

Germany has developed an analogue of Flurry, with good characteristics, also uncontrollable. Application - firing on the course with a preemptive fan.

[gridasov]

By the way, on the same site it will not be out of place to see that DARPA is very actively engaged in the development of engines based on new process organization algorithms. Therefore, the question of time is who will come first to those decisions that already exist in some form.

[meriem1]

Lovers minus !!! Take off your bras and at least in PM you need to defend your position !!!! Even there is no suit. Hiding is easier !!!! And then everything does NOT LIKE !!! Russian troops are not like that. And the technology is not the same! Just break away from the American DUDA .... if at least something Russian is left in you. I'm not always right. Sometimes I drive. There is no doubt about it ... But no one will say that I’m bending the soul.