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At the end of the nineties of the last century, the industry of Russia joined the "friendly" world capitalist family and realized that it was not expected here. It is already known for sure that except as a “global gas station”, they don’t want to see us. However, this is natural - no one wants to raise competitors for themselves.


In the world then there was a clear system of division of labor. Nobody wanted any changes. And only China gradually crowded out competitors, increasing its share in world production. He is very successful in this. And Russia, with the efforts of the world economic community and its own liberal pests, turned into a raw material appendage for developed countries.

The fate of Russia as an independent economic power is predetermined, and the future of the country was marked bleak and hopeless. However, this situation did not suit everyone. Began the search for a way out of this situation. A fairly realistic analysis of the problem was made.

In the USSR, half of the country worked on defense. Minsredmash enterprises and many others were not only successful organizations, but also globally advanced industrial corporations.

Using their successful experience, is it possible in the new economic conditions to make the defense industry an international brand of Russia and a major competitive product on the foreign market along with raw materials?

Accordingly, the best examples of the defense industry will come to ensure the security of the country.

Tanks, guns, missiles, planes and submarines are the same commodity. It should be noted that the product is quite high-tech and with high added value. The defense industry is both space and aviation, and nanotechnology ... This is a lever for the revival of the country.

The moral side of arms sales should not worry us in principle. Everything happens according to UN requirements.

So, we choose the defense industry as the locomotive of our economy. It will force the rest of the industry to catch up to the present level. This is already happening, and quite successfully. For example, construction companies, accustomed to disorderly work, faced with stringent quality requirements and deadlines for work at the Vostochny cosmodrome, got a good lesson - they are waiting for prosecutions.

Not so fast and not everywhere, as we would like, happens. But the ice has broken. This goal is subject to the actions of the president and his "defense" team. It is they, and not the government as a whole, who will bring our economy out of collapse.

Liberal government is forced to powerlessly monitor the restoration of the country's industrial potential. They can still harm positive changes, but they can no longer change the motion vector.

At this stage of the country's development, it is necessary to increase the knowledge-intensiveness of the export potential and think over the effective competitive mechanisms for transferring the latest defense technologies to the civilian sector. Science and defense industry are the main engines of the Russian economy. Behind the development of the defense industry will reach other areas, including small and medium businesses.

The process has begun.
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  1. Riv
    Riv 26 October 2015 08: 49 New
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    The author is naive and confuses yellow and sweet. The very concept of "business" in the USSR was excluded. And if we consider the Union as a successful economic system (and it was), then for a start it is necessary to return to its territorial borders.
    1. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 26 October 2015 08: 57 New
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      Rive, do not confuse yellow and sweet. Do not confuse the concepts of "business" and "territorial boundaries", especially since the last phrase has no meaning at all.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 26 October 2015 09: 09 New
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        construction companies accustomed to disorderly work, faced with stringent requirements for the quality and timing of work at the Vostochny Cosmodrome, received a visual lesson - they will face prosecution

        But there was nothing for private owners to give in a row for the construction of a strategic facility. They have one goal - quick money making, and if it doesn’t work out, then quickly sleep .. uh .. steal.
        The development of the defense industry will stretch to other areas, including small and medium-sized businesses

        How interesting? In my opinion, small and medium-sized businesses should focus on the production of goods of group B, in other words consumer consumption, and not get into the defense industry.
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 26 October 2015 09: 36 New
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          "In my opinion, small and medium-sized businesses should focus on the production of goods of group B, in other words, consumer consumption, and not get into the defense industry."
          You are absolutely mistaken. Small and medium-sized businesses are mobile, make decisions and begin to act quickly, inside - an insignificant level of bureaucracy. They can do, and are doing a lot and a lot, including in terms of high technologies: electronics, optics, precision mechanics and, above all, of course software. Tasks for design, modeling, equipment installation. Very, very much. Unfortunately, we have few of them. In general, one should stop declaring private and corporate property a universal evil. It should take place and be sufficiently represented, the point is in the optimal proportion, distortions are terribly expensive. Without the public sector - the disaster of 29 years, without the private sector - the disaster of 91 years. In China, for more than two thousand years they have been looking for balance, and without finding it, they fly into another crisis.
          1. Makk
            Makk 26 October 2015 09: 53 New
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            Small and medium-sized businesses are mobile, make decisions and begin to act quickly, inside - an insignificant level of bureaucracy.
            and huge opportunities for violation of workers' rights, total non-compliance with TB.
            1. Nick
              Nick 26 October 2015 10: 20 New
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              Quote: Makk
              and huge opportunities for violation of workers' rights, total non-compliance with TB.

              Absolutely right! Like in the public sector
            2. Angro Magno
              Angro Magno 26 October 2015 13: 20 New
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              Of course. This is a huge problem. But this is a problem of a different plan.
          2. Penetrator
            Penetrator 26 October 2015 09: 59 New
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            Quote: Azitral
            in terms of high technology: electronics, optics, precision mechanics and, above all, of course software. Tasks for design, modeling, installation of equipment

            You singled out the quotient, and I talked about the general. I agree, in some areas where serious long-term investments are not required and guaranteeing quick profits, private business can be useful. But categorically it is impossible to admit to private enterprises strategic production and facilities.
            1. nazar_0753
              nazar_0753 26 October 2015 19: 44 New
              +1
              I agree with you. I personally think that any areas related to the country's strategic security should be filled exclusively by state-owned companies, and in terms of production, they should be closed inside Russia. But consumer goods and services can also be riveted to private traders. If you take the market for software products, then software and OS for military and state computers must be done by state-owned companies, and for the people and for export, private owners can also. Or in the food sector - for example, grain production on a scale necessary to provide for its own population should be carried out by organizations registered in Russia, working on Russian agricultural machinery and using Russian fertilizers, or, in extreme cases, machinery and fertilizers of the Union countries
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 27 October 2015 01: 11 New
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                Quote: nazar_0753
                then software and OS for military and state computers must be done by state-owned companies,
                - there are examples when private traders (and software is such an area where a small private trader can succeed, because it’s not very capital intensive as much as professionalism is needed) did better software than teams from state-owned companies. And how to be here? Stubbornly refuse the best software due to the fact that it was created by a private trader? For example, are you grateful to Bill Gates for blocking all of us from accessing the same Opera or the Fire Fox only on the basis that these browsers were not created in the bowels of Microsoft and stubbornly imposed their lame Ekplorer? Meanwhile, poor software on a sophisticated combat complex can cost the crew’s life, and indeed, the whole combat complex will be spoiled as a product, no one will buy it, although it’s a piece of hardware for iron, but the inept work of one team can spoil the work of a much larger number of teams, bother more conscientiously! No guys, the form of ownership here doesn’t change anything! Here's an interview http://www.mk.ru/social/2015/10/26/legendarnyy-aviakonstruktor-rasskazal-pochemu
                -rossiya-perestala-stroit-samolety-pokupaya-boingi.html with the legendary aircraft designer, read the following lines: "So what?

                - Next is a long story ... But in short, the Samara Plant is a private business. Someone did not want to support him with budget money. They said: we will build in Kazan. There is a beautiful factory, but now it is engaged in the military Tu-22M3 and Tu-160. And now more than a year has passed, and there is no solution for IL-114
                - such as you, forum users who do not want to see private traders, and can ruin the whole thing! But is Samara factory not located in Russia? Are not Russian citizens working in it? The owner of this plant can not be "punched" by the FSB for loyalty? Talk nonsense! But according to IL-114 there is no solution, but because it’s a private trader, you see!
                1. Xanna
                  Xanna 27 October 2015 10: 42 New
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                  So you need to look for another solution! Because tomorrow your private trader will sell all the documentation for this plane to our "friends and partners", and Vasya was called ... no commercial secrets will be saved.
                  What are we going to do with these machines, huh?
                  There will be no sense from them if all potential enemies know all their shortcomings ?!
                  So when, under the conditions of capitalism and the total betrayal of liberal-minded people, we will figure out how to make them not sell secrets for big loot, then we can talk about the participation of private owners.
          3. Altona
            Altona 26 October 2015 10: 43 New
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            Quote: Azitral
            In general, one should stop declaring private and corporate property a universal evil. It should take place and be sufficiently represented, the point is in the optimal proportion, distortions are terribly expensive.

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            No one declares "private activity" universal evil, for example, I indicate the "source of evil", why it comes from "private activity" and is it always just "private activity", and not collusion with officials for tasty tenders ...
            According to the article itself, in a nutshell, the author proposes to return to the industrial-high technology model instead of the commodity-based one, I am also a supporter of this ... There are really two ambushes, labor productivity has grown compared to the 80s, and then it was very large and as many people in production as before will not be needed ... Second, having high-performance production, it will be necessary to enter the foreign market and squeeze out the already established players — Germany, Japan and China, for example ...
          4. BMW
            BMW 26 October 2015 12: 17 New
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            Quote: Azitral
            Small and medium-sized businesses are mobile, make decisions and begin to act quickly, inside - an insignificant level of bureaucracy

            This is not true; medium-sized business is bureaucratic to the point of impossibility, sometimes so that the question arises of the expediency of existence. If good profitability and a good salary, then quickly acquires relatives, friends, etc. who do not work or work for themselves to the detriment of the enterprise. I say this absolutely confidently, because I work there myself and see this, in other enterprises the same thing. This disease permeated business from the top to the very bottom. Exceptions to IP with a very small number of employees. hi
          5. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 16: 49 New
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            Quote: Azitral
            In general, one should stop declaring private and corporate property a universal evil. It must be present and sufficiently represented.
            What kind of joy should it be?

            And why at the moment, when no one declares it a universal evil, is it underrepresented? Is it because the existence of private property, beneficial exclusively to the owners of this property, requires the creation of greenhouse conditions that are created for the minority at the expense of the majority?
          6. Yarhann
            Yarhann 26 October 2015 22: 04 New
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            yes you are right, a medium-sized business can take part in securing a defense order, this is also providing provisions through tenders and uniforms with every kind of hindustry - the next is the communication facilities we have developed by private traders and they can also work in this direction in very high quality. Then the intelligence tools are UAV thermal imagers, the construction and design of gliders for both military and industrial purposes - a large sector of robotics is also industry and defense industry. Then the communications sector in terms of data transfer, that is, offices that work with the MO data centers, communication centers, etc., etc. are trusted private traders. All kinds of software for military institutions - I'm not talking about system programs, but just an internal accounting system, etc., etc. - a lot of things the army can offer the watch sector right now.
        2. Altona
          Altona 26 October 2015 09: 47 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          But there was nothing for private owners to give in a row for the construction of a strategic facility. They have one goal - quick money making, and if it doesn’t work out, then quickly sleep .. uh .. steal.

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          Our private trader, but usually a speculator, sorry, businessman, is imprisoned for a quick turnover of capital, that is, the resale of finished Chinese or Turkish goods. Engaging in production is rather troublesome, you need to find a cheap loan and build a marketing, that is, find a market for your "works". Hence moral restrictions, that is, neglecting everything that hinders business — extra or inconvenient employees, “extra” costs for compliance with labor laws and scientific research ... In general, the current private trader is a person with “circumcised” morality, not all of course, but many ...
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 26 October 2015 13: 11 New
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            Our private trader, but usually a speculator, sorry, businessman, is imprisoned for a quick turnover of capital, that is, the resale of finished Chinese or Turkish goods.


            You underestimate this factor of trade. The capitalization of this sector is small, compared, for example, with energy, but it is a powerful incentive for economic activity of citizens. The manufacturer focuses on the market, which is created precisely by such a Brownian money movement. You say Chinese goods, but do you know who the richest people in China are? Not oil kings, not real estate tycoons, not ship owners, but textile manufacturers. And yet, there is no state support for small business in China.
            1. Altona
              Altona 26 October 2015 16: 00 New
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              Quote: Asadullah
              You underestimate this factor of trade. The capitalization of this sector is small, compared, for example, with energy, but it is a powerful incentive for economic activity of citizens. The manufacturer focuses on the market, which is created precisely by such a Brownian money movement. You say Chinese goods, but do you know who the richest people in China are? Not oil kings, not real estate tycoons, not ship owners, but textile manufacturers. And yet, there is no state support for small business in China.

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              Why underestimate? I bring my observations from the side ... And trade is a very specific activity, it is inherent in the clan-family structure ... That is, eastern clans are strong in trade, where there are more numerous families, that is, a family bank is immediately organized to finance activities, the division of labor is organized — a storekeeper, a purchaser, a submitter, a driver, a director, an accountant ... And all the grandmothers go to the family ...
        3. Nick
          Nick 26 October 2015 10: 06 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          But there was nothing for private owners to give in a row for the construction of a strategic facility. They have one goal - quick money making, and if it doesn’t work out, then quickly sleep .. uh .. steal.

          Do you think that state-owned enterprises can allow them to be unprofitable and work at a loss? And who will pay the losses?
          Quote: Penetrator
          How interesting? In my opinion, small and medium-sized businesses should focus on the production of goods of group B, in other words consumer consumption, and not get into the defense industry.

          And in the Stalinist multistructure economy, industrial enterprises of the private sector successfully carried out state defense orders.
          1. Penetrator
            Penetrator 26 October 2015 10: 31 New
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            Quote: Nick
            And in the Stalinist multistructure economy, industrial enterprises of the private sector successfully carried out state defense orders.

            Which one? For the production of air plywood or soldier's bowlers? Moreover, one should not confuse the Stalinist economy, where there was the highest degree of responsibility of performers, regardless of the form of ownership of the enterprise, with the current one.
          2. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 17: 14 New
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            Quote: Nick
            And in the Stalinist multistructure economy
            Economic structure - a type of economy, which is based on a certain form of ownership of the means of production and the corresponding production relations.

            Stalin:

            One cannot identify commodity production with capitalist production. These are two different things. Capitalist production is the highest form of commodity production. Commodity production leads to capitalism only if there is private ownership of the means of production, if labor enters the market, as a commodity that a capitalist can buy and exploit in the production process, if, therefore, there is a system of exploitation of hired workers by capitalists in the country . Capitalist production begins where the means of production are concentrated in private hands, and the workers, deprived of the means of production, are forced to sell their labor power as a commodity. Without this, there is no capitalist production.
            Well, if these conditions are not available that turn commodity production into capitalist production, if the means of production are no longer private, but socialist property, if the system of wage labor does not exist and labor is no longer a commodity, if the system of exploitation has long been eliminated, - what to do then: is it possible to assume that commodity production will nevertheless lead to capitalism? No, you can’t count. But our society is just such a society where private ownership of means, production, the system of wage labor, the system of exploitation has long ceased to exist.

            T.16 p. 162
        4. Oper6300
          Oper6300 26 October 2015 13: 05 New
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          Don't worry, corruption and commodity monopolists will slow down the economy. What tries are liberals? All the same faces upstairs in the 90s.
        5. Angro Magno
          Angro Magno 26 October 2015 13: 15 New
          +1
          Everything is simple. Small and medium-sized businesses produce goods that are bought by employees of large enterprises. This is the first. Secondly, small and medium-sized businesses supply large holdings with appliances, furniture, transportation services, communications, etc.
          So the author has no mistake.
        6. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 26 October 2015 13: 48 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          But there was nothing for private owners to give in a row for the construction of a strategic facility.

          I completely agree, but then it would be more difficult to “absorb” the multi-billion dollar budget - after all, the bulk of the stolen money went to Moscow ..
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 26 October 2015 17: 57 New
            +1
            Not necessarily stolen. Many enterprises are registered in Moscow, where they pay taxes, and there is nothing left at the places where the enterprises are located. That is, if you paid taxes at the location of the enterprise, and not at the place of registration, then taxes would remain in the localities, but would not have sailed to Moscow. I can give you a lot of examples of how Muscovites even destroyed city-forming enterprises in order to remove competitors. Yes, and you yourself know such examples.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 27 October 2015 04: 46 New
              +1
              Quote: Amurets
              Not necessarily stolen


              I didn’t mean bank transactions, namely what was stolen ..
              1. Amurets
                Amurets 27 October 2015 12: 03 New
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                This can also be considered stolen from the regions. Moscow is fattening, and the regions are putting their teeth on the shelf.
                1. afdjhbn67
                  afdjhbn67 27 October 2015 13: 45 New
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                  Quote: Amurets
                  This can also be considered stolen from the regions. Moscow is fattening, and the regions are putting their teeth on the shelf.

                  What can you do the namesake our life is like that of zamkadyshe laughing
      2. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 26 October 2015 09: 17 New
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        Liberal government is forced to powerlessly monitor the restoration of the country's industrial potential. They can still harm positive changes, but they can no longer change the motion vector.
        - from article

        And why, then, our leader and President of Russia Putin V.V. keeps this hostile Government of liberals in power, protects it from attacks by the opposition?

        Something does not grow together with the author. Both the Government and President Putin V.V. adherents of the liberal path of development, which Putin has repeatedly confirmed.
        Putin V.V. a supporter of liberals and oligarchic economic management of Russia defends, in the world struggle of the capitalist states, the interests of Russian oligarchs, their interests, and Russia.
        Coincidence of interests. There will be no independent, sovereign Russia, and there will be no dominant possession of the Russian oligarchs over the natural storehouse of the wealth of the state.
        An important role in this, in the fate of Putin V.V., is played by the sad fate of the leaders who opposed the United States - Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia and other states.
        For all this, strengthening the defense capabilities of the Army and strengthening the defense industry are needed.
        But what about the rest of the economy, industry, agriculture, which under liberal conditions of the development of the state are simply doomed to destruction?
        Nobody is interested in their fate, everything is left to the mercy of the "free market", which leads the Russian economy to the raw materials appendage of the West and the USA.
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 26 October 2015 09: 59 New
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          Quote: vladimirZ
          But what about the rest of the economy, industry, agriculture, which under liberal conditions of the development of the state are simply doomed to destruction?

          If there is no economy (and not just the military-industrial complex) then there will be no
          Quote: vladimirZ
          independent, sovereign Russia, there will be no dominant possession of the Russian oligarchs over the natural storehouse of the wealth of the state.

          The army is not only necessary to arm. She still needs to be dressed, shod, fed. Those who work in the defense industry also need to, etc. So the gentlemen of the liberals have no choice. If you don’t want to share with your Western uncles, be so kind as to strengthen your country. The layout of the gangster is purely in the style of the 90s. It is necessary not only to milk the cow, but also to feed, treat and shepherd, otherwise there will be no milk. If they understand this and finally begin to do something, then to hell with them, let them sit on the ground. We will survive the rest and have not seen it.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 26 October 2015 10: 12 New
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            The layout of the gangster is purely in the style of the 90s. It is necessary not only to milk the cow, but also to feed, treat and shepherd, otherwise there will be no milk.
            - shuhartred (2)

            This is so, but this is only part of the Russian population, which is somehow tied to ensuring the raw material flow to other countries and work in the defense industry.
            And other "extra people" tied up in other sectors of the economy? Who will deal with their fate? Soon even pensions will not be paid, increasing the retirement age, which is so diligently and systematically pursued by the Government of D. Medvedev.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 26 October 2015 11: 12 New
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              In addition.
              I just stumbled into Odnoklassniki on a video TV center (Moscow), adoption of a law on reforming budgetary organizations in the State Duma and the Federation Council, with the filing of the Government of the Russian Federation, more precisely, limiting subsidies from the state budget to budgetary organizations of health care and education.
              This essentially means curtailing free healthcare and education in Russia.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsLqMbSv5OE
              1. shuhartred
                shuhartred 26 October 2015 12: 07 New
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                Quote: vladimirZ
                I just stumbled into Odnoklassniki on a video TV center (Moscow), adoption of a law on reforming budgetary organizations in the State Duma and the Federation Council, with the filing of the Government of the Russian Federation, more precisely, limiting subsidies from the state budget to budgetary organizations of health care and education.
                This essentially means curtailing free healthcare and education in Russia.

                Does someone have to work? It should be cynical even if it comes sooner or later. And the problem cannot be solved by labor migrants, janitors and minibuses are not economic power. In short, if all these liberals, ministers, oligarchs want to live by exorbitant standards, they must make people live just fine and then they will have everything and more. But I do not need a gold toilet 50 kilo rubles of salary and a normal social network, and I will be deep in ... how many yachts Abramovich has.
                If Putin squeezes them, then it will be. If it’s completely stupid then ...... But in my opinion it was a "cunning plan" of GDP and it is only in the initial stage.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 26 October 2015 13: 49 New
                +9
                Quote: vladimirZ
                This essentially means curtailing free healthcare and education in Russia.

                all of the above is called genocide.
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            2. shuhartred
              shuhartred 26 October 2015 11: 58 New
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              Quote: vladimirZ
              This is so, but this is only part of the Russian population, which is somehow tied to ensuring the raw material flow to other countries and work in the defense industry.

              You somehow consider the problem separately. But it is necessary in a complex. The modern economy is still a bundle. I have never studied it, but my vision is this. Okay, the liberals buried the agricultural cries, buy from others cheaper. Bam got into a fight with those with these, exporters see that we don’t have ours, let’s turn up the price, etc. Again, no one canceled the sanctions, or the price of resources collapsed. There is only one way out. Tanks, planes are all great of course, but this is not enough. There must be economic power, and if it is dependent on someone, it is a weakness, while the weak is bent. They all went through the 90s, have they really forgotten? GDP left them no choice. Being engaged only in foreign policy, it is actually locked inside the country. They supported Putin, yes, that’s “answer for the bazaar” and it’s impossible to blame them. All Putin was scolded here for what he does not deal with internal affairs, but he competently does it, makes those who work because they have nowhere to go. No matter how lazy you are, but if a spring comes out of the sofa and digs into .op you have to get up and do something.
              1. vladimirZ
                vladimirZ 26 October 2015 13: 21 New
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                Quotes from shuhartred (2):
                If Putin squeezes them, then it will be. If it’s completely stupid then ...... But in my opinion it was a "cunning plan" of GDP and it is only in the initial stage.

                The modern economy is still a bundle. I have never studied it, but my vision is this.

                All Putin was scolded here for the fact that he was not involved in internal affairs, but he was doing it competently, forcing those who exist to work because they have nowhere to go.

                Dear shuhartred (2), unfortunately, Putin V.V. he "plays" in the team of liberals, which he has repeatedly spoken about, and in the team of the oligarchic bourgeoisie, whose interests he constantly defends, by providing a solution to the entire block of economic issues to the liberal Government of D. Medvedev, which only the lazy have not criticized.

                Over the past year, a two-fold collapse of the ruble, which turned out to be in fact the same multiplicity of decline in the purchasing power of the population, impoverishment of people.
                The rate of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation, brought not only to predatory, but to a blocking value in the development of the economy, practically stopped not only the development, but simply the production activities of most enterprises due to the impossibility of borrowing working capital for the purchase of raw materials, salaries and etc. the urgent needs of the economic activities of enterprises.

                In Russia, 80% of the ownership and control of the consumer market network belongs to foreign campaigns: Pyaterochka, Magnit, etc. to large trading networks of foreigners (information from yesterday’s TV, an official controlling consumer markets).
                Therefore, despite the current abundant harvest of Russian apples, foreign apples are on the distribution network, and apples from Russian producers rot.
                Have you looked at this topic already repeatedly broadcast on TV?

                And so in everything, you at least make money, the result of your work will not be in demand in the liberal open market, where foreign goods dominate with lower production costs, with low bank loans.
                So that your advertised "cunning plan" of GDP does not have any visible evidence. One talking room in the media and TV on this topic. Alas.
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 26 October 2015 18: 18 New
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                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  So that your advertised "cunning plan" of GDP does not have any visible evidence. One talking room in the media and TV on this topic. Alas.

                  I don’t advertise it, I said that it seems to me that way and if you don’t see confirmations then I see.
                2. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 26 October 2015 18: 30 New
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                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  Therefore, despite the current abundant harvest of Russian apples, foreign apples are on the distribution network, and apples from Russian producers rot.

                  Have you seen these rotting apples? Personally, when I come to the same magnet and five, I see Krasnodar apples in huge numbers and at a price half as much as imported (Murmansk) people sweep away instantly. We took 40 kg jams on compotes and eat. And stop minus just like that (it's not for you) argue argue. And then they glanced at the comment, ah, a Putinist, cheers-patriot nnn-minus you. But do not care, I say what I think and I think what I say. hi
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 27 October 2015 06: 37 New
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                    Quote from shuhartred (2):
                    Have you seen these rotting apples? Here I come personally ...

                    Unfortunately, shuhartred (2), saw reports on TV, where our producers of these apples do not even collect them, apples crumble, because even the costs of picking these apples, storing or processing, transporting them do not justify the price at which trade organizations ready to buy them.
                    The price level of trading organizations, the majority of which I remind you, is owned by foreigners, at which they are ready to buy our apples, determine the prices for these apples in the same Poland.
                    And if in the same “Magnit” (Murmansk) you indicated, there appeared our cheap, compared to imported, Krasnodar apples, which are “swept away” by customers from the counter, means the prompt reaction of the “Magnit” owners to the relevant actions of the media and control organizations criticizing purpose to "hush up" this problem.
                    But these actions of the owners of Magnit and similar organizations are temporary, going against their own interests. Interest, profit determines the actions of trading organizations, and not the indication of rare control checks.
                    1. shuhartred
                      shuhartred 27 October 2015 09: 28 New
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                      Quote: vladimirZ
                      But these actions of the owners of Magnit and similar organizations are temporary, going against their own interests.

                      This temporary phenomenon has been going on for three years. And on TV they show a lot of things, and if you sigh “alas” “unfortunately” “sadly but factly” each time, it’s better to strangle yourself right away. I want to believe that everything will work out in our country, otherwise there’s no reason to live, or we will die but with a noise and roar and drag half the world behind us (or more). If you want, I'm an optimist, but one of those who are studying AK just in case.
                      PS I’m not going to deny a huge number of problems in our country, but you can demolish a house in a couple of hours, and you need to build a new one.
                      1. vladimirZ
                        vladimirZ 28 October 2015 14: 03 New
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                        Quote from shuhartred (2):
                        If you want, I'm an optimist, but one of those who are studying AK just in case.

                        It’s not AK that should be studied, it’s the duty of any man, but to understand the socio-political structure of his state in order to understand the processes taking place in it, to know what political forces are involved in the political struggle, and most importantly for the average layman to vote for a party that defends the interests of the people , and not the interests of the oligarchs and liberal officials of "United Russia" who are now in power, thanks to the indifference of the majority of the people.
                3. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 27 October 2015 09: 34 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vladimirZ
                  Dear shuhartred (2)

                  I'm sorry that is not the topic repeat but you do not accidentally tell me where this could come from (2)? Previously, it didn’t seem to be hi
                  1. vladimirZ
                    vladimirZ 28 October 2015 14: 14 New
                    0
                    Quote from shuhartred (2):
                    ... do not tell me where this could come from (2)? Previously, it didn’t seem to be

                    The number (2) in your name shuhartred (2) means that someone else named shuhartred has registered on this site.
                    For example, I have this. There is another visitor to the VO site under the name vladimirZ, who registered after me under this name. Sometimes in discussions I intersect with him.
          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 27 October 2015 01: 14 New
            +3
            Quote: shuhartred
            It is necessary not only to milk the cow, but also to feed, treat and shepherd, otherwise there will be no milk. If they understand this and finally begin to do something, then to hell with them, let them sit on the ground. We will survive the rest and have not seen it.


            So our government is on the way to have more milk and it is cheaper - we need to feed the cow less and milk more often ...
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 27 October 2015 09: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              So our government is on the way to have more milk and it is cheaper - we need to feed the cow less and milk more often ..

              Then the cow will die stupidly and what will our "government" manage? The other is not, and the money they have accumulated by the "evil" uncles will be taken away and will not be allowed into another's yard. In the 90s, even stupid bulls understood this.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 26 October 2015 12: 42 New
          -7
          Putin V.V. a supporter of liberals and oligarchic economic management of Russia defends, in the world struggle of the capitalist states, the interests of Russian oligarchs, their interests, and Russia.


          So do you think Russia's interests coincide with the interests of the oligarchs and Putin’s personal interests?

          But could you list the interests of Putin, the interests of the oligarchs?

          For me personally, it is more interesting, the interests of some in these mantras. They mutter from topic to topic, who are insinuating, who are bluntly blunt. Apparently there is such a promise, drop by drop dissatisfaction. And you didn’t think that you were pouring seeds into cement, did you have to pour some water? I propose to adopt black magic, finally make a rag doll of Putin and stick needles there, every day for five minutes on an empty stomach. Just not so sad words, but with a twinkle in his eyes, so that it’s easier to establish a diagnosis.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 26 October 2015 12: 44 New
            +6
            Quote: Asadullah
            But could you list the interests of Putin, the interests of the oligarchs?

            Money is probably big money
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 26 October 2015 13: 30 New
              -5
              Money is probably big money


              Do you speak money? And how much does a person need money? And how long does human life last? And why is it given? Did not think about the fact that if the Almighty elevates you to the very top of management, then you are entrusted with a certain mission. When the fate of a huge country, and maybe the whole world, is in your hands, when your actions determine the fate of future generations, when your name goes down in world history, do you really think that a person is more important than money that he will not spend in any way allocated to him 20 -30-40 years, but no more?
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 26 October 2015 13: 54 New
                +7
                Quote: Asadullah
                history, do you really think that to a person money will be more important that he will not spend in any way in his allotted 20-30-40 years, but no more?

                Holy naivety request
                1. Asadullah
                  Asadullah 26 October 2015 15: 04 New
                  -2
                  naivety


                  La noblesse oblige. Man is imperfect, from that he is given the ability to learn and learn. The problem of buying meatballs does not exist with the director of the meatball factory, but not because they bring them boxes to his house, but because his position has the position to refuse them in principle. It all depends on your attitude to your situation. If it is a mask, an element of acting and deceit, an instrument of the embodiment of base goals, then yes, it is destined to rest among the meatball boxes from liver disease. But human nature, this is not the nature of hologram duriloks, intuition, education, experience, it is easy to see what color the halo of a celestial person is.
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 26 October 2015 12: 58 New
          +6
          In fact of the matter. It’s time for the president and the authorities to decide, before it’s too late. Otherwise, the liberal economy will finish off our country. The country needs to return to a planned economy, five-year plans, to return to the people stolen in the 90s. Moreover, the planned economy does not deny the elements of the market. But reasonable and economically feasible sectors of the Russian economy.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 27 October 2015 01: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: NordUral
            five-year plans to return to the people stolen in the 90s.

            It’s ridiculous, right, they didn’t declare with enthusiasm yesterday that the government is now considering plans for the year only ...
            Output? already the apparatus of analysts cannot calculate what will happen next ..
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 27 October 2015 12: 35 New
              0
              I can say. In September 2016, re-election of the State Duma. So why think what will happen next. Until the Duma will divide the portfolios until the presidential elections begin to work there. And they will leave you in the government or not, the grandmother said in two.
      3. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 26 October 2015 09: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Angro Magno
        , especially since the last phrase does not carry any meaning at all.

        The USSR was oriented towards the domestic market, and the internal market of the USSR - 300 thousand people. Therefore, the meaning in the last phrase still exists. The article is a plus, although it is really a bit naive
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 October 2015 09: 36 New
          +2
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          The USSR was oriented towards the domestic market, and the internal market of the USSR - 300 thousand people. Therefore, the meaning in the last phrase still exists. The article is a plus, although it is really a bit naive

          ---------------------------
          The domestic market of the USSR was about 288 million, plus the CMEA-Finland market and the socialist camp countries in Europe and Asia, though in this case a large share of exports was made up of raw wood, oil and semi-finished products, glass, rubber ... So count all .. .
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 October 2015 10: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Altona
            The domestic market of the USSR was about 288 million plus the market of the CMEA-Finland countries and the countries of the socialist camp in Europe

            And what was sold there, except for cars?
            1. Altona
              Altona 26 October 2015 10: 17 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              And what was sold there, except for cars?

              -----------------------
              Everyone sold, not only cars, but also ships, air and river, there was cooperation within the CMEA ... Consumer goods were also sold, the same refrigerators, for example ... Repair of equipment is also a market, for example, we have IFA trucks they repaired ... Various machines sold ... But basically, raw materials, of course ... The MADI faculty was "Organization of transportation", many wrote term papers on the example of "SOVTRANSAVTO", I somehow read the discarded draft, the export structure was painted there , where 80% were raw materials and semi-finished hydrocarbons, glass, wood, iron ore, coking coal, non-ferrous metals in the form of ingots ...
              1. Asadullah
                Asadullah 26 October 2015 12: 55 New
                0
                All sold


                I don’t quite agree. The share of exports was very insignificant, with the exception of hydrocarbons, forests and products of black chemistry. As for the rest, the word "sold" could be called dumped. For example, Japan bought rails, and even in such quantities that one could think of w / d to the moon. It’s clear why. There are many such examples when the finished product was sold at the price of raw materials. Another question is what was imported. And the main import shaft was precisely what they could manufacture themselves. But for this, all consumer goods had to be given in private hands. The CPSU was not ready for this, unlike the CCP. The result is obvious, the USSR no longer exists, China is the most powerful power on the planet.
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                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 26 October 2015 14: 27 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Asadullah
                  The share of exports was very insignificant, with the exception of hydrocarbons, forests and products of black chemistry.

                  And let's see:

                  (clickable)
                  1. Asadullah
                    Asadullah 26 October 2015 17: 59 New
                    0
                    And let's see:


                    And let's not attract the hare by the ears, making it an elephant! You will not find anywhere data that was under the letter and at the time of the State Planning Commission, reflecting the country's foreign currency export earnings. And what was provided on credit, in exchange for bananas, Yugoslav sheepskin coats, Indian coffee, I'm sorry, this is very far from the principle of world trade. Offsetting operations are possible with very deplorable cases, but do not reflect the success of the economy. Minus the hell, but you can’t argue against reality, exporting to CMEA, to third countries in the form of aid, this is not foreign trade. Foreign trade is foreign currency billions in various banks on the accounts of Vneshtorg. And this has never happened, even in the best of times. By the way, if you quoted the figures reflected foreign exchange earnings, then there would be no kilometer-long bursts of shortages, grocery kits and special stores. Foreign exchange earnings would fully cover not only the import of consumer goods, but also the free conversion of the ruble when traveling abroad.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 27 October 2015 16: 28 New
                      0
                      Quote: Asadullah
                      And let's not pull the hare by the ears,

                      as our esteemed colleague says, “don’t pull an owl on a globe” yes
                      In the USSR, everything was very normal with reporting, let alone exporting.
                      Quote: Asadullah
                      By the way, if you quoted the figures reflected foreign exchange earnings, then there would be no kilometer-long queues for shortages, grocery kits and special stores

                      Are you trying to present the artificially created Gorbachev deficit as a failure of the social system? request
                      I don’t even want to discuss ...
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        2. Nick
          Nick 26 October 2015 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          The USSR was oriented towards the domestic market, and the internal market of the USSR - 300 thousand people. Therefore, the meaning in the last phrase still exists.

          In the late USSR there was a non-market economy. The quantity of goods and services, their price was determined by the State Planning Commission and not by the "invisible hand of the market."
        3. EvgNik
          EvgNik 26 October 2015 10: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          USSR domestic market - 300 thousand people

          Quote: Corporal Valera
          although she’s really a little naive

          Where does 300 thousand come from? Maybe millions? And the article is not naive, but just a set of stamps. In the comments, more sensible things are expressed.
      4. Riv
        Riv 26 October 2015 11: 21 New
        0
        It is to the former territorial borders. So it goes through life that the economy is tied to the territory. It is useless to plant corn and cotton near Murmansk, but not to dig a lot of coal near Kiev, even if you dig in all. Why be surprised that Russia drives gas and oil abroad? After the collapse of the USSR, almost the entire Western European part, that is, the economic zone with the most developed industry, fell away. Of course, much has died there, but restoration is much easier than building on a new one.

        And more than anything else, the West is afraid that the Union will unite again.
        1. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 17: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Riv
          And more than anything, the West is afraid that the Union will unite again
          Not the West, but capital, not the restoration of the Union, but the restoration of socialism.
      5. Goga101
        Goga101 26 October 2015 15: 29 New
        +1
        quote - "The government of the liberals is forced to powerlessly observe the restoration of the country's industrial potential" - oh well, what kind of "restoration" is it? Type in the search engine "RF industrial production" - and everything will become clear, since the summer of 2010, the PP schedule is confidently going down, and the farther, the steeper the decline.
        As long as enemies sit at key posts - the Central Bank, the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade, no defense industry will fix the situation, rather this gang and defense will drag it into the grave, followed by the rest ... request
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 27 October 2015 01: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Goga101
          Type in the search engine "RF industrial production" - and everything will become clear, from the summer of 2010 the PP schedule is confidently going down, and the further, the steeper the decline.


          A living example of our ZMMK .. probably you are in the know? hi
    2. Shveps
      Shveps 26 October 2015 09: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: Riv
      The author is naive and confuses yellow and sweet.


      Western transistors, microcircuits, integrated circuits in the production of Russian weapons account for up to 90% "(according to the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia).
      There is also the Belarusian OJSC Integral, but basically these are the western countries that have imposed sanctions against Russia. In addition, it is impossible to modernize production on the basis of imported equipment.
      Dmitry Rogozin: "Today, the planned course of modernization and rearmament of the defense industry has become more complicated due to recent events in Ukraine and in the world. The military-industrial complex is faced with the task of completely eliminating the import of parts and components of weapons from abroad."

      We cannot ignore the loss of many of the basic technologies, accelerated aging of production assets, violation of the supply of components, materials and raw materials, the loss of qualified personnel at all levels and the destruction of their training system.

      Works oh-oh-oh! And if we take into account the government of liberals who are “forced to powerlessly observe” (phrase from the article)?
      Slogans for fragile minds are one thing, only soon the fairy tale affects, but not soon the thing is done.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 26 October 2015 09: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Shveps
        Western transistors, microcircuits, integrated circuits in the production of Russian weapons account for up to 90% "(according to the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia).

        A scandal happened in America half a year ago, but the chips are Chinese lol
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 27 October 2015 12: 24 New
          0
          In the global semiconductor and chip market, up to 95% of products are manufactured in Southeast Asia under the control of firms in China, the Republic of Korea, and Japan, but most of these factories are controlled by China.
      2. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 17: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Shveps
        Dmitry Rogozin: “Today, the planned course of modernization and rearmament of the defense industry has become complicated due to recent events in Ukraine and in the world. The military-industrial complex is faced with the task of completely eliminating the import of parts and components of weapons from abroad
        1. Nonik
          Nonik 27 October 2015 00: 15 New
          -2
          But what, isn’t there a revival of industry now? I am not blind - I see this very rebirth.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 27 October 2015 01: 05 New
            +2
            Watch federal channels less and look around more.
            1. Nonik
              Nonik 28 October 2015 01: 02 New
              0
              I look around. I haven’t been watching TV for 6 years. And by the way, it doesn’t say anything about the revival, and it never said anything, no matter how rarely you turn on the news - nothing. And I see that it, a rebirth, is. Small but there.
              And you continue to tell further "everything is bad, everything * oops continuous"
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 October 2015 10: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: Riv
      And if we consider the Union as a successful economic system (and it was

      If the Union were a successful economic system, the US economy, and not the USSR, would collapse.
      They opened the borders for clothes from Europe and the USA, and light industry got a stake, scoring warehouses with useless products that could not even theoretically compete.
      Sony and tape recorders of Electronics 312, Spring and NOTE appeared in open sale.
      1. BMW
        BMW 26 October 2015 11: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We opened the borders for clothes from Europe and the USA and light industry got a stake

        Yes, they just forgot that competent propaganda was conducted on the descritation of domestic goods, which were better in quality, but inferior in terms of fashion. Bought for a beautiful wrapper. Shirts that can be worn for 10-15 years and at the same time did not lose quality and the color did not change - is this poor quality?
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        having scored warehouses with useless products that theoretically could not compete

        It just did not fit into the concept of fashion and that’s all.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Sony and tape recorders of Electronics 312, Spring and NOTA appeared in open sale

        What to give as an example the equipment of the third class? There was second-class equipment, which in quality was not inferior to foreign analogues Mayak 231, 233, 240, Yauza 234 Electronics and Radio Engineering (I already forgot the models). In the recording cooperatives, our equipment withstood the number of records as much as the Japanese, there were problems with controlling the playback speed, but it was easily solved if a person thought. The price of our equipment was lower.
        The whole problem was related to ours, spread rot and called name shovels, type unfashionable. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 October 2015 12: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: bmw
          Yes, they just forgot that competent propaganda was carried out on the descent of domestic goods

          Come on, right propaganda. The people are completely bad, they don’t distinguish normal shoes from misery that was impossible to wear.
          Quote: bmw
          Shirts that can be worn for 10-15 years and at the same time did not lose quality and the color did not change - is this poor quality?

          Yeah, let's talk about the good things that for some reason didn’t want to buy. lol
          Quote: bmw

          What to give as an example the equipment of the third class?

          Yes, at least what class, Radio technology was close, but the design and ........
          Quote: bmw
          . In the recording cooperatives, our equipment withstood the number of records as much as the Japanese,

          In the recordings were two-cassette Technics and Sharpy. Olympuses and other. Of our only reel
          1. BMW
            BMW 26 October 2015 14: 48 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Come on straight propaganda.

            As if she were not there.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Type people are very bad, they can’t distinguish normal shoes from misery that was impossible to wear.

            Here it’s not necessary to pour over everything with slop, they could and did good shoes, though it was not good enough, but there were seams with the winter one, that's for sure.
            I have two shirts, one Yugoslav, one ours. I’m still putting on dirty work, the quality is excellent, there aren’t any now, and they are over 25 years old. tongue
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Radio engineering was close

            Cassettes were bullshit, constant problems with the mechanism for spitting and spitting out cassettes. This is the most problematic cassette player. The most unkillable Lighthouses 231 and 233.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Two-cassette Technics and Sharps were in the sound recordings. Olympuses and more

            And why did they stand thinking? Here the main word is two-cassettes, because speed synchronization is not necessary. And ours did not let them out.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, at least what class,

            Yes, this is sound quality, it is fundamental. Of course, if MP3 is the limit of your dreams, then there’s nothing to say.
            Just do not say that then there was only one manure, there was a lot of good. Problems are also higher than the roof. But we all say that everything was bad and that’s it. Your approach does not have a real assessment of the positive and negative.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 October 2015 15: 35 New
              0
              Quote: bmw

              As if she were not there.

              No, it wasn’t. It was enough to look at Western products.
              Quote: bmw
              could and did good shoes and did,

              It’s a pity they couldn’t defy, there was one shit on sale.
              Quote: bmw
              I’m still putting on dirty work, the quality is excellent, there aren’t any now, and they are over 25 years old.

              Is that all you can be proud of?
              Quote: bmw
              Cassettes were bullshit

              Yes, I say, ours was bullshit.
              Quote: bmw
              And why did they stand thinking? Here the main word is two-cassettes, because do not need to synchronize speeds

              Because there were no two-cassette players in the USSR, because they were better in quality. And as for the synchron, there was an accelerated recording.
              Quote: bmw
              Your approach does not have a real assessment of the positive and negative.

              Of course not, but in your komeny, except for two shirts, everything else is called bullshit wassat
              1. BMW
                BMW 26 October 2015 17: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Of course not, but in your komeny, except for two shirts, everything else is called bullshit

                We tea more carefully.
                They could and did qualitatively, only a little. The fact that the system was inert was yes. Production was very slowly rebuilt, the trouble is.
                Bullshit was Radio Engineering, due to the design features.
                Cassette players were good, consoles were in no way inferior.
                I understand that we have no concept of sound quality. What are grades 0, 1, 2, 3?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                .And about synchron, there was an accelerated recording.

                The quality only fell at the same time, and the noise level was just off scale.
                Do we even know the purpose of the equalizer? lol
    4. volot-voin
      volot-voin 26 October 2015 11: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Riv
      The very concept of "business" in the USSR was excluded.

      The concept of "business" certainly did not exist, as well as "huckster." There was the concept of "economy" and it has not gone anywhere. The economy in the form of heavy industry, resource-extracting industries was state-owned, as it should be, without intermediaries from the thieves of oligarchs.
      Here is a small producer, light industry could and should be withdrawn from the public sector.
      1. Riv
        Riv 26 October 2015 11: 26 New
        0
        We read above: during the collapse of the USSR, the territory most developed in industrial regrowth remained abroad. There is nothing surprising in the fact that Russia drives fuel abroad, no. There are fewer consumers. Obviously, many socialist enterprises could not stand the competition, but the defense industry is alive.

        A "small business" and under Stalin perfectly existed. It was called cooperation. There is no need to invent anything.
      2. Riv
        Riv 26 October 2015 11: 26 New
        0
        We read above: during the collapse of the USSR, the territory most developed in industrial regrowth remained abroad. There is nothing surprising in the fact that Russia drives fuel abroad, no. There are fewer consumers.


        Obviously, many socialist enterprises could not stand the competition, but the defense industry is alive. A "small business" and under Stalin perfectly existed. It was called cooperation. There is no need to invent anything.
    5. antoXa
      antoXa 26 October 2015 12: 08 New
      0
      Riv
      And how do you want to return to them? please share)))
      1. Riv
        Riv 26 October 2015 14: 51 New
        0
        Our weapon is God's word and kindness. Well, of course, flowers to help. "Acacia" is, "Peonies" ... Or here are "Cornflowers" than bad?
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    6. War and Peace
      War and Peace 26 October 2015 13: 03 New
      +4
      The liberal economy, which is successfully introduced by the Russian government, is the economy of Russia's dependence on Western financial circles. Glazyev and all other economically unbiased economists point out that the basis of the ENGINE of INDUSTRY and the economy in general is INVESTMENT, and the domestic, but neither the Central Bank, with its overpriced loan rates, nor the Russian government are interested in financing their own economy.

      But the ice began to break. The actions of the president and his “defense” team are subordinated to this goal. It is they, and not the government as a whole, that will lead our economy out of collapse.


      where did he "move"? The basis of COUNTRY DEFENSE is its industry, but just the industry keeps the central bank and the government on a starvation diet. But who placed these figures in these posts? Yes, he did, (the king is good, the boyars are bad) so when they say that he has already received 90% of the public confidence, can one believe in this?
    7. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 26 October 2015 13: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: Riv
      The author is naive and confuses yellow and sweet.

      The liberal government is forced to powerlessly observe the restoration of the country's industrial potential.

      Here is the author gave .. laughed like a child ..
      For example, construction companies, accustomed to disorderly work, faced with stringent requirements for the quality and timing of work at the Vostochny Cosmodrome, received a visual lesson - they will face prosecutions.

      Moreover, many will face a terrible punishment ... laughing Maybe even send to London-uzhoss ....
    8. ava09
      ava09 26 October 2015 23: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: Riv
      The author is naive and confuses yellow and sweet. The very concept of "business" in the USSR was excluded. And if we consider the Union as a successful economic system (and it was), then for a start it is necessary to return to its territorial borders.


      Have you read the article? You reminded me of Psaki - speak as a counterargument of stupidity to what was not discussed at all. Where did the author even give a hint about the economic model of the Union, especially its success? What does business in the USSR have to do with the success of the defense industry, and where was it mentioned in the material? One involuntarily recalls the classic: - "When you say, I have a feeling that you are raving ..."
  2. Gorjelin
    Gorjelin 26 October 2015 08: 50 New
    +3
    The liberal government is forced to powerlessly observe the restoration of the country's industrial potential.

    The process has begun.


    Oh, how I want to believe ... I hope that this will be so.
    But there are a lot of doubts.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 26 October 2015 09: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: Gorjelin
      Oh, how I want to believe ... I hope that this will be so.
      But there are a lot of doubts.

      You know me, too, something is tormented by doubts that some will drive our economy.
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 26 October 2015 09: 13 New
      +7
      Yesterday I looked at the latest issues of Dvigatel magazine. There are fresh photos of gas turbine engine production. And there are photos of new CNC machines. So everything is done not by the will of the government, but contrary to the government, which is waiting for an infusion of new investments. What kind of stupid things should be still do not understand that with such a tax policy of the state, new high-tech industries in Russia cannot be developed.
      1. Frigate
        Frigate 26 October 2015 09: 46 New
        +8
        Quote: Amurets
        So, everything is done not by the will of the government, but contrary to the government, which is waiting for an infusion of new investments. It’s so stupid to be still not to understand that with such a tax policy of the state new high-tech industries in Russia cannot be developed.


        Well, why dumb. The government is doing everything possible to hinder the development of Russia. The question is different, why is this government still in Moscow, and not in the taiga?
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 October 2015 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Frigate
          Well, why dumb. The government is doing everything possible to hinder the development of Russia. The question is different, why is this government still in Moscow, and not in the taiga?

          -----------------------
          The government is adrift, standing in an observer posture, arms crossed ... Moreover, in the Government, HSE adherents and 90s privatizers who still have not bothered to build market institutions in Russia to strengthen their own economies ... This is still a station team Porters, that is, people who throw suitcases with money into western trains and planes ... To develop a private business, you need venture legislation, because business is a risk, and not everyone can take it, so the consequences should be regulated ... It's cheap loan, it is the guarantee of the state to those who contribute to job creation and regularly pay taxes, this is preference for high-tech business, the creation of an affordable social housing market for those who are looking for work in another region ... What does this have? NOTHING ... Also, the private owner’s admission to military developments, in particular computer companies that write programs or make electronic brains, or have an extensive market and are ready to provide the military with their capabilities ... In general, it is necessary to establish relations in the business sphere and tame the private owner and make the market civilized ...
          1. olimpiada15
            olimpiada15 26 October 2015 11: 37 New
            +4
            "It's a cheap loan ..."
            There are cheap Russian loans, but not in my country, I recently read that this year our financiers invested half of the GDP in the American economy. So there are cheap loans, but ... not about our honor, that is. There are Russian loans, but not for the Russian economy. The foolish in the government are not kept; the officials working there know and understand what they are doing. It means that the country's leadership is more important to support the American economy, they have such a huge public debt, and they need money: for maintaining military bases around the world, for organizing coups d'etat, for propaganda of Russian aggression, for training and arming terrorists (sorry, moderate opposition, which is extremely moderate , unlike terrorists, destroys cities, and cuts off heads). But the Russians can tolerate, they will declare inflation at 4% and the people will calm down, and will not notice that all everyday goods have become 1,5-3 times more expensive. But America needs help, they also need to build new military bases near the Russian borders, the Russian Federation is an aggressor.
      2. Gorjelin
        Gorjelin 26 October 2015 09: 52 New
        +2
        This is how stupid it must be to still not understand that with such a tax policy of the state new high-tech industries in Russia cannot be developed.


        Our government is very fond of investments from abroad, knowing full well that this is an instrument of influence and pressure on our country from outside.

        At the same time, he does not want to pour money into the economy of his country in order to prevent the economy from growing. Giant refinancing rates ...

        The result is a falling economy and all the ensuing problems. There are more and more questions for the government. Earlier in fat years, expensive oil was not noticeable, now everything is visible.

        What is this, stupidity or betrayal ?!
        1. olimpiada15
          olimpiada15 26 October 2015 11: 13 New
          +2
          "What is this, stupidity or betrayal ?!"
          I want to note that stupidity is definitely absent in the highest circles of the country, this option is excluded for sure.
        2. Amurets
          Amurets 26 October 2015 17: 42 New
          -2
          This is betrayal! After the revolution of 1905, the “stupid” Tsar Nikolashka gave freedom to the development of industry. New factories appeared, old ones were rearmament. So, then it was proclaimed “not a slogan, but the principle” all weapons are made at RUSSIAN FACTORIES, BY THE HANDS OF RUSSIAN WORKERS and FROM RUSSIAN MATERIALS .Do not think that Russia’s industry and agriculture was backward. I don’t think that we ever surpassed 1913 in terms of industrial production. And another example: I don’t remember exactly, it seems that in 1911 the British sent a gun to the Russian gunsmiths in St. Petersburg. Length 1m diameter and 1mm diameter. What was their surprise when three months later they got this roller back and a hole 0.5mm in diameter was drilled in it. Unfortunately I didn’t find a link to a book about Leningrad turners and wonders which they performed in the siege of Leningrad. there was also a link where this roll was stored and a photograph of the roller.
        3. Uncle Joe
          Uncle Joe 26 October 2015 17: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: Gorjelin
          Our government is very fond of investments from abroad
          But at the same time, they are constantly talking about the need to attract foreign investment for some reason, not members of the government, but the president.
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 26 October 2015 10: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        It’s just how stupid it must be to still not understand that with such a tax policy of the state new high-tech industries in Russia cannot be developed

        They are far from naive. They will have to pay taxes their money. (well, they so naively believe that they earned by their sweat)
  3. Flinky
    Flinky 26 October 2015 08: 50 New
    0
    I forgot to add "Regards, your K.O."
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 26 October 2015 08: 52 New
    +1
    Russian industry joined the "friendly" world capitalist family and realized that they were not expected here.


    Our finances stuck in the global financial cycle of capital and it is currently controlled by the United States ... and this is a big problem for our independence from the United States.
  5. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 26 October 2015 08: 57 New
    +3
    Liberals are also groaning, a liberal is unavailable ... that the Caliber rocket is not a kettle, or even a vacuum cleaner, it can only be created if the highest level of technology is reached in various fields. Our misfortune is different; it consists in the dollarization of the economy and the venality of some capitalists and officials, but both are fixable.
  6. Jarilo
    Jarilo 26 October 2015 08: 58 New
    +7
    Expensive loans and high taxes make production in Russia unprofitable. We even have Chinese combs. And what does the technology have to do with it?
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 26 October 2015 09: 27 New
      -3
      Let them, Chinese combs, but Russian missiles.
      1. Dr. Livesey
        Dr. Livesey 26 October 2015 09: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: mikh-korsakov
        Let them, Chinese combs, but Russian missiles.

        I immediately remembered:
        But we make rockets,
        And they blocked the Yenisei,
        And also in the field of ballet
        We are ahead of the rest!
        1. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 26 October 2015 11: 20 New
          +1
          You can only be a leader in the field of missiles and in the field of combs (remembering the classics) "if you are absent" (Ilya Ilf, Evgeny Petrov - Polesov) a) theft from the state, b) unfair competition from the capitalists, so let missiles will be better, otherwise there will be nothing to comb. Overlap the Yenisei - this is also not khukh-mukhra.
  7. user
    user 26 October 2015 09: 01 New
    0
    So, we choose the defense industry as the locomotive of our economy.


    I remembered how at the turn of the 80s and 90s we were transferred to the output of the products of the economic sector (we will transfer the defense industry to peaceful tracks - you know perestroika). We’re sitting on the shore, like guarding dachas, remember the DND (I explain the voluntary national squad for very young people) and other things, and the neighbor at the dacha obscures Gorbachev and wants AKM and a backpack of cartridges (well, he took a little double cleaning on his chest , then with this case it was not very). And the problem was that he couldn’t understand how to make a good and cheap coffee grinder (they lowered the task from above), and he was deputy production director at the Research Institute of Metrology (by the way, their air defense systems are some of the best in the world), because according to him If you do such a thing well and in their research institute, then it will never work out cheaply (specialists at the level of their research institute were expensive). And he was all indignant, well, if we can shoot down almost any air target, then why should we make these coffee grinders, maybe this energy should be directed to improving the parameters of our air defense systems.
    Well, they finally survived, or some decent advisers appeared, because the price of one air defense system (no matter what) costs well, a lot of coffee grinders, and most importantly, the level of specialists for this needs a completely different one.
  8. Kunar
    Kunar 26 October 2015 09: 02 New
    +3
    Our military-industrial complex has always been distinguished by non-standard thinking. And what has been created for rubles still cannot be repeated and, even more so, surpassed for dollars ....
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 October 2015 09: 58 New
      +2
      They gave me to see DVDs of the First Channel "SECRETS OF FORGOTTEN VICTORIES". Not all the films were able to be watched. But my God, how many recent developments have not reached the conveyors for various reasons. And as some of the samples mastered by the army would be useful now, and some should be finalized on a new element base. What kind of weapon, for various reasons, did we procrastinate.
  9. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 October 2015 09: 11 New
    +5
    The defense industry is buzzing.
    For, as practice with the Mistrals has shown,
    abroad does not intend to supply us with weapons.
    Only one but. Let the defense industry keep up with the citizen.
    In terms of releasing the same electronics as for the military,
    so for civilian users.
    In essence, remove the barrel from the weapon,
    and you can already think about the introduction of a citizen.
    1. Lenin
      Lenin 26 October 2015 09: 20 New
      0
      So it was before perestroika.
  10. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 26 October 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    The liberal government is forced to powerlessly monitor the restoration of the country's industrial potential

    It is time for these capitalist ministers to kick out of the country's leadership along with the prime minister and various Ulyukaevs, Siluanovs and their beloved Central Banks, otherwise they will invest all the money into the economy of the enemy of Russia (USA), not long ago they screeched from joy that Russia was getting rid of from the Federal Reserve Bank's securities, and now, by a new increase, investments have already been increased to ninety lardes of American rubles, in words, one thing, in fact is completely different, liberals mother their words, someone said the right words; ... ki.
  11. akudr48
    akudr48 26 October 2015 09: 26 New
    +6
    So, we choose the defense industry as the locomotive of our economy. It will force the rest of the industry to catch up to the modern level.

    Everything is correct here, but it is necessary to clarify who the "we" are and how these "we" will make "the rest of the industry pull up to the modern level"

    Are we Friedmans with Avens, Deripaska, Sechin, Yakunin and other billionaires, with their assets and families in the West? Or "our" deputies, or "our" ministers, or "our" governors, or "our" courts, is this good also "we"?

    These "we" are so far busy stupidly extracting and selling raw materials to the foreign market, and these "we" are not engaged in any tasks to "catch up", since they are exclusively occupied with the tasks of "pulling" from Russia abroad what comes to hand.

    Less illusions are required on the subject of "we", a more sober assessment of what is happening, then to the bright capitalistic future of the Russian people, and this is what the author had in mind, "other spheres will be pulled, including small and medium business "
    1. dauria
      dauria 26 October 2015 11: 41 New
      +1
      Less illusions are required on the subject of “we”, a more sober assessment of what is happening,


      Eh, give a wave of your hand, but say it- YOURSELF all messed up in the 91st.

      And about the "bright capitalist future of the Russian people" they even said without me

      Listen, my dear: fatal works
      Ended - the German already puts the rails.
      The dead are buried in the ground; sick
      Hidden in dugouts; working people

      Close gathering at the office gathered ...
      They scratched their heads tightly:
      Every contractor should stay,
      Become a penny skipping days!

      All the tenants entered the book -
      Did he take a bath, did the patient lie:
      “Maybe there’s a lot of tepericha here,
      Yes, you go! .. "They waved a hand ...

      In the blue caftan is the venerable meadows
      Thick, greasy, red, like copper,
      A contractor is going on a holiday line,
      Goes to see their work.

      Idle people parted decently ...
      Pot wipes the merchant's face
      And he says, akimbo picture:
      “Well ... something ... well done! .. well done! ..

      With God, now home, - I congratulate you!
      (Hats off - if I say!)
      Barrel wine workers exhibit
      And I give the arrears! .. “

      Someone “cheers” screamed. Picked up
      Louder, friendlier, longer ... Look:
      With the song, the dozens of the barrels rolled ...
      Here and lazy could not resist!

      Harnessed the people of horses - and the merchandise
      With a cry of “Hurray!” He rushed down the road ...
      It seems hard to please the picture
      To draw, general? .. "

      (1864)



      The only pity is to live in this beautiful time
      I don’t have to - neither to me nor to you. ”
  12. smith7
    smith7 26 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +1
    Agree with "The moral side of arms sales should in principle not bother us. Everything happens according to UN requirements." I can not. Although I have been serving the cause of the security of the Motherland all my life, I believe that Man was not born to destroy his own kind. All animals on Earth, including Man, are fighting to death for a place under the Sun. This struggle is the essence of life on the planet ... But as a believer and a humanist in the soul, I cannot agree with the “moral side of arms sales”. The idea "We are peaceful people, but our armored train (which we always harness slowly winked ) stands on the siding! "Nothing good is invested in the defense industry, except for one ... the most important thing - confidence in the future.
  13. Alexl
    Alexl 26 October 2015 09: 30 New
    +1
    Will we plow the fields on tanks?
    1. Lenin
      Lenin 26 October 2015 10: 20 New
      +2
      Why on tanks, it’s not high-tech. Apply NANO APPROACH. First, a volley from "Pinocchio" or "Solntsepeka" to burn out the terrorists who are increasingly renting our arable land, as well as weeds and other pests. Well, then with the City, we all plow evenly square by square. laughing
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 26 October 2015 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: AleksL
      Will we plow the fields on tanks?

      I saw something like a piece of a documentary film, after the war I could see the shot, in general the T-34 without a tower, with a fence, delivering cans of milk, voice-overs "peaceful tank in the service of the national economy" :-)
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 27 October 2015 12: 00 New
        0
        I saw this film about the restoration of the national economy. They showed such devastation after the war that it seemed impossible to restore. Restored what was destroyed by the war. But how to restore what was destroyed by our high-ranking officials, and even with their opposition?
  14. atamankko
    atamankko 26 October 2015 09: 37 New
    0
    It has long been clear that the West does not accept us as partners,
    why do we need them, we need to live our minds and keep the brand.
    The West began to think, and not blindly follow the instructions of the State Department.
  15. ARES623
    ARES623 26 October 2015 10: 00 New
    +1
    It seems that the military-industrial complex has always been and will be the "industrial locomotive" of the Russian economy. But that is not the issue. The question, it seems to me, is that the manufacturer receive a guarantee of domestic demand for their products. Then the money will go into production. In this case, it is necessary to ensure product quality. This is not exactly the market in which the current liberal wing of the government relies. Most likely, it is necessary to create conditions for competition between domestic producers, and to establish quotas for imports so that it does not stifle domestic production. Today, foreign competitors have all the possibilities of political pressure on consumers. Actually this is what they are doing. It would be very nice to change Miller and Sechin (and some other leaders of semi-state concerns) for the lack of development of specialized technologies and dependence on imports in critical areas. We live off gas and oil, but we can’t do hydraulic fracturing! It is obvious that until the President pays attention to trade fraud, they will also roll a barrel at each other, and do not understand why apples in the country of Michurin do not grow. Who is driving the economy there, and most importantly - where?
  16. 35lisment35
    35lisment35 26 October 2015 10: 48 New
    0
    The profitability of our economy in the oil and gas and chemical industries, and all this because of the key interest rate of the Central Bank, so that you can’t stretch the economy out of one defense industry
  17. yury1974
    yury1974 26 October 2015 10: 55 New
    0
    Recently in Russia2 I watched a program (replay) about the domestic tank-building industry ... It just becomes scary because we (our entire country) stood on the edge of the abyss .... But no, there are still people, many people who care about nothing ... I myself work at one of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, believe me. there are people ... and the youth has gone, and it’s interesting for them to create such sophisticated and smart cars .... ARE THEY OTHER COMPLEX ... So we live ...
  18. Buffalo
    Buffalo 26 October 2015 11: 36 New
    -1
    Kapitsa Sr. did not in vain say that war is the engine of progress.
    Today, a message came from Kommersant that the factories of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation switched to three-shift work. Mobilization economics included.
  19. sa-ag
    sa-ag 26 October 2015 12: 10 New
    0
    "... So, we choose the defense industry as the locomotive of our economy. It will make the rest of the industry pull up to the modern level."

    No, it won’t, the defense industry will not become a technology donor because they are all secret, and everything is expensive there. In addition to purely defense enterprises, there were civilians in the USSR, which in turn had a closed workshop for the production of defense products. It is necessary to stimulate the development of the civilian sector, which, having a developed production base, can produce something necessary for defense, otherwise pots from titanium-magnesium steel will be on the shelves at the price of a Kirby vacuum cleaner :-)
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 26 October 2015 18: 42 New
      0
      It seems that some of the cellar knows better
      pan "specialist". Dreaming ... Pots, this is what the defense was pushing off with arms and legs, but it was forced, because nothing more was offered to it.
  20. ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 26 October 2015 12: 27 New
    +1
    The government of the Russian liberals is still able to harm Russia by 90%, so you should not hope for a miracle. Only a change in this Government led by YES can lead to a change in course and a real way out of the crisis and economic growth.
  21. NordUral
    NordUral 26 October 2015 12: 49 New
    +1
    The main engine of the Russian economy is social justice in the country.
    1. traveler
      traveler 27 October 2015 00: 11 New
      +1
      social justice in the country

      amusingly
  22. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 26 October 2015 13: 13 New
    +2
    First, the dismemberment of the USSR must be declared illegal. Bring back the borders of 1991. Legally, the business is 100% winning.
    Then change the constitution as we see fit.
    Bring legislation to common sense.
    And then! ...
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 26 October 2015 14: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Volzhanin
      ... Legally, the business is 100% winning ....

      And how are you going to comply with court decisions? Are you sure that Kazakhs, Moldovans, Turkmens, Balts ... will support the court decision? By the way, what?
      Quote: Volzhanin
      Bring legislation to common sense.

      And what is common sense in this case?
      Unification is possible and I think it will be, but not soon and not at all by court order.
      Unfortunately, I certainly will not survive.
      Ah, the article is too rosy.
  23. Yurmix
    Yurmix 26 October 2015 17: 20 New
    0
    Quote: NordUral
    The country needs to return to a planned economy, five-year plans, to return to the people stolen in the 90s. Moreover, the planned economy does not deny the elements of the market. But reasonable and economically feasible sectors of the Russian economy.

    + 1000.
  24. Stas 86
    Stas 86 26 October 2015 18: 37 New
    0
    Engine economy


    Where is the engine of the economy ???
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 26 October 2015 18: 51 New
      -1
      According to all the same Kapitsa Sr., this engine is in us. It is called laziness.
      The unwillingness of a person to work physically, was the reason for the creation of numerous equipment, the main purpose of which is to replace the muscular strength of a person. The computer, and even earlier - the arithmometer, is replaced by the MIND human. And this is even more progress.
    2. Stas 86
      Stas 86 26 October 2015 18: 53 New
      +1
      Example:
      In the Russian Federation, economic zones are being built, but they do not save as we would like.
      Goods from these economic zones cannot compete with developed exporting countries.
      And now a question for the author:
      What would you do if you were a manager from one such economic zone?
      What would you save on?
      To reach the level of developed countries, you need to save somewhere, otherwise mathematics will drive the country to the minus, since economics is mathematics.
  25. traveler
    traveler 27 October 2015 00: 20 New
    +1
    in short, so that we do not try to do it always turns out a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
    then what can the vpk pull out - the second vpk, the third?
    Well, how much do we need to pit countries together to sell tanks and guns for an amount sufficient to purchase grub and clothes?
  26. Concealer
    Concealer 27 October 2015 04: 50 New
    0
    The naivete of the author touches. Obviously, he did not teach history from the textbooks of the USSR. If we had taken into account from the textbooks of the USSR, then I would have known how militarism ends with the capitalist formation.
    1. Buffalo
      Buffalo 27 October 2015 10: 18 New
      +1
      Do not confuse salt with green.
      An aggressive state, like Germany, of the 1939 model, is one thing, and the defense of the Fatherland is a completely different matter.
      When they declared war on you, your choice is not rich: to die or to win.
      1. Concealer
        Concealer 28 October 2015 20: 45 New
        0
        Since when does the end justify the means in Russia?
  27. Buffalo
    Buffalo 27 October 2015 10: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Stas 86
    What would you save With?
    laughing
    I would start with grammar and learning in general. And then, some, not having mastered the basic knowledge, immediately take the wheel of the country's economy ...
  28. kunstkammer
    27 October 2015 15: 00 New
    +1
    State corporations .. state-owned companies .. state-owned enterprises ..
    And tell me, if the state owns 51% of the shares, and "Uncle Vasya Alibabaevich" the rest of 49% - do they consider them to be a state-owned enterprise?
    Sberbank state-owned enterprise? And others like that?
    Write in which state. no private owners? I would really appreciate it :)