Until the end of 2017, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will go to the Russian Black Sea Fleet

Deputy Armed Forces Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk, Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy for Arms, on the air of the TV channel “Россия 24»Announced that by the end of 2017, the Black Sea Fleet will receive all the submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, equipped with Caliber missiles, ordered by the Ministry of Defense. According to Vice-Admiral Bursuk, the Black Sea Fleet has not been properly strengthened for many years, but now an extensive program is being implemented to re-equip the Russian Black Sea Fleet, including its underwater component.


Until the end of 2017, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will go to the Russian Black Sea Fleet


Viktor Bursuk notes that the “partners” were seriously impressed by the launches of the Caliber rockets made by the Caspian ships flotilla.
Vice Admiral Bursuk:

Nobody in the world could have thought before that on such small displacement ships of the 21631 project it is possible to install such a formidable weapon.

We are talking about small rocket ships "Grad Sviyazhsk", "Uglich" and "Great Ustyug", which are part of the Caspian Flotilla.

Meanwhile, in the West, they are still trying to declare that not all of the Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria, and that some of the missiles allegedly fell in Iranian villages. Russian Ambassador to Iran Levan Dzhagaryan commented on the accusations against the Russian Federation (quote RIA News):

And I want to say that 7 of October launching 26 missiles from our ships that were stationed in the Caspian Sea, naturally, we coordinated with Iran, because these missiles crossed Iran's airspace. I would like to take this opportunity to say that not a single rocket fell on the territory of Iran, and those people who spread these false fabrications expressed wishful thinking.
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  1. vorobey 23 October 2015 17: 42 New
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    Meanwhile, in the West they are still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

    and let's repeat and count?
    1. Vyacheslav 64 23 October 2015 17: 46 New
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      What good and timely news.
      1. Baikonur 23 October 2015 17: 48 New
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        And on New Year's Eve in Russia, all the Christmas trees in the taiga will be decorated with "Caliber" bears!
        Then vodka will get drunk and round dances will drive with the Russians, playing balalaikas and singing a song: Caliber-Malibr!
        (Kalinka-raspberry (tongue is drunk)
        laughing

        Fear us wild inadequate barbarians!
        1. lelikas 23 October 2015 17: 58 New
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          In the taiga will be "Sarmatians" dress up! laughing
          Now the surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet would have been provided on time.
          1. Eugene-Eugene 23 October 2015 19: 32 New
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            Poorly. It is necessary for Hindus to throw off this project.
            1. grayling 24 October 2015 21: 58 New
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              no, it’s not bad, the caliber has a developed system of artificial intelligence (some modifications)
        2. vsoltan 23 October 2015 18: 34 New
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          No, not that ... It must be pathos and arrogant: "Yes, and let them tremble, adversaries ..." ... but aside from jokes, they will tremble ... if the Caspian invoked impression, then at the World Cup .... And just right .... And more, more ... tongue
          1. vsoltan 23 October 2015 18: 38 New
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            Hit a system engineer from VO: what stump do I have, a Russian, not once, except dill who has not traveled abroad ... however, Ukraine, what is this foreign country? ... why very often in the profile this damned mattress flies out? Strongly disagree, please fix ... :)
          2. Markiz_A 24 October 2015 07: 19 New
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            And in the Black Sea we have only one carrier Caliber - Project 636.3 submarine Carries as many as 4 pieces! It takes another 20-odd such boats to equal the number of missiles with one US emine.
            1. vlad.svargin 26 October 2015 16: 40 New
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              Markiz_A
              It takes another 20-odd such boats to equal the number of missiles with one US emine.

              DO NOT worry for us, for him (the US destroyer) and this is enough in excess, there will still be ...
        3. Observer2014 23 October 2015 18: 47 New
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          "Baikonur" hello!
          Until the end of 2017, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will go to the Russian Black Sea Fleet
          But cunning! Invented.
          In the Caspian, the "caliber" stands above the surface. And in the Black Sea, wherever there is, the adversary swims, by submarines. Go figure them out and destroy them before they release deadly joy. A hundred points for the idea and implementation of the project !!
          1. just exp 23 October 2015 22: 47 New
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            They also go to the Black Sea Fleet and RTOs.
        4. Sterlya 23 October 2015 19: 06 New
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          I support. For the weekend there is still a drunken Tatar inadequate. We must be afraid, wild Barbaras (although it seems to me, I’m sure, the Barbarians are just crap, we are on foot before their barbarism)
          And Caliber to all "democrats" over the soul.
        5. Prapor-527 24 October 2015 14: 42 New
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          Quote: Baikonur
          Then vodka will get drunk and round dances will drive together with Russians

          And after the drunk “quilted jackets” will arrange a “bear biathlon” ... laughing
        6. Sea Wolf 26 October 2015 08: 13 New
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          Yes, we are Scythians, Siberians.
      2. figwam 23 October 2015 17: 58 New
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        In Operation Desert Fox, 1998, the FSA carried out 415 launches of sea and air-based missiles, up to 20 percent of missiles did not achieve their goals, and about 10 percent were technically faulty before launch. From their point of view, we should have the same.
        1. Markiz_A 24 October 2015 08: 27 New
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          And where did such data come from?
      3. smershxnumx 23 October 2015 19: 11 New
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        Vyacheslav 64 (1) RU Today, 17:46 ↑ New
        What good and timely news.

        Apparently, there is nothing more to say ... "Stars" do not allow ... laughing laughing laughing
        The brevity and speed of typing messages provide a "rating" laughing laughing laughing
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        2. Vyacheslav 64 23 October 2015 20: 57 New
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          Apparently, there is nothing more to say ... "Stars" do not allow ... laughing laughing laughing
          The brevity and speed of typing provides a "rating" laughing laughing laughing
          Unlike my example, your comment is incredibly deep and informative, especially galloping faces ...
      4. Klisha 23 October 2015 23: 06 New
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        Great news, and great song to it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBnCo2SKafU
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    3. GSH-18 23 October 2015 17: 47 New
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      Until the end of 2017, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will go to the Russian Black Sea Fleet

      This is great news! good
      There will be an opportunity, if anything, to enter into some kind of reptiles from the Black Sea basin.
      1. win
        win 23 October 2015 17: 55 New
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        There will be an opportunity, if anything, to enter into some kind of reptiles from the Black Sea basin


        For this, it is necessary to coordinate with Turkey.

        But along the way “in passing” can conduct exercises and gouging dozens of targets from the Mediterranean Sea.
        1. Throw 23 October 2015 18: 00 New
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          And meanwhile the bastards took compasses and sadly draw circles from the Black Sea with a radius of 1500 km .. Or 2600 km .. Or ... wink
        2. vsoltan 23 October 2015 18: 42 New
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          siegen
          But in this matter, nothing needs to be agreed with the Turks ... don’t worry ... small-tonnage ships with straits and canals (Varshavyanka 3000 tons pass by itself, Buyan less than 1000 tons ... like some kind of fisherman will touch4) they’ll hold a thread like that ... I recall an old joke about the Soviet missile harvester ...
          1. ilya_oz 23 October 2015 20: 17 New
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            Due to water cannons, Buyan has a small draft and can easily move inland by sea. Even easier Warsaw.
            1. kote119 23 October 2015 20: 25 New
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              nothing to do with water cannons, and without them ships go along rivers and lakes
            2. Xnumx vis 23 October 2015 21: 38 New
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              Well then, full speed ahead along the Dnieper-Slavutich! Hordes of Svidomo will run away from Poland and Rumunia .... To Aunt Angela Merkel. Sort of missiles "26 Baku commissars !!!" Sing, poet, song,
              Sing
              Calico sky such
              Blue...
              The sea roars too
              Song.
              26 them,
              26.

              September 1924
              Baku



              Source: http://esenin.niv.ru/esenin/text/ballada-26.htm


      2. Oman 47 23 October 2015 19: 07 New
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        Western boys with large stars all circled already worn out, drawing the "calibrated" radii of the cots ... hi
    4. vovanpain 23 October 2015 17: 48 New
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      Quote: vorobey
      Meanwhile, in the West they are still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

      and let's repeat and count?

      The West now needs to think about that. By the way, the Varshavyanka at the Black Sea Fleet are also worthy candidates for the prize.
      1. Simon 23 October 2015 18: 02 New
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        This is a calibration needle to pacify NATO and America. laughing
      2. GSH-18 23 October 2015 20: 10 New
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        Quote: vovanpain
        By the way, “Varshavyanka” at the Black Sea Fleet are also worthy candidates for the award.

        Varshavyanka, this is exactly what has long been lacking in the Black Sea Fleet. And now also with the "PRI" Caliber ...
        Reptiles of various stripes thoughtfully scratch their turnips ..
      3. Boa kaa 23 October 2015 23: 07 New
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        Quote: vovanpain
        The West now needs to think about

        The photo shows tactical anti-ship missiles with a detachable combat stage. 3M-54E - Turquoise. They shot at BC 3M-14. Here they need to be afraid, that's for sure!
    5. Simon 23 October 2015 17: 57 New
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      It’s better to offer the West to check the "Caliber NK" on American bases located in Europe, or the fact that there are too many of them divorced. Then they will know for sure whether the gauge flew or not. And let it scratch your head after that. recourse laughing
    6. dmi.pris 23 October 2015 18: 24 New
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      We demand the continuation of the banquet ...!
      Quote: vorobey
      Meanwhile, in the West they are still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

      and let's repeat and count?
    7. major071 23 October 2015 18: 28 New
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      Twenty six flew by
      Do not count in the pants!
      Missiles fly to Syria
      Closets are cracking in the USA ...
      wink drinks
      1. Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 15 New
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        These 6 submarines will be the last Varshavyanki built for the Russian Navy, you need to set up production of Lada submarines faster, you also need the Baltic Fleet (1 diesel submarine in the Baltic Fleet now), the Northern Fleet, and the Pacific Fleet to upgrade.
        1. gispanec 23 October 2015 19: 46 New
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          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          you also need the Baltic Fleet (1 diesel submarine in the Baltic Fleet now), the Northern Fleet, and the Pacific Fleet to upgrade.

          North and Pacific Fleet need APL in the first place ... and in the Baltic Sea, frets will be just right ... although they will not interfere in other fleets ...
          1. Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 20: 04 New
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            Quote: gispanec
            North and Pacific Fleet need APL in the first place ... and in the Baltic Sea, frets will be just right ... although they will not interfere in other fleets ...

            Only 7 Ash-trees will be in two fleets. Further, the 5th generation, judging by the words of the designers, will be, but the design and production of the first submarine will drag on for 10 years at best. And diesel submarines have the ability to produce in sufficient quantities, and not piece by piece.
            1. gispanec 23 October 2015 21: 56 New
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              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Only 7 Ash-trees will be in two fleets.

              do not forget about titanium barracudas .... 3 pieces under repair and on modif .... pikes-b will also serve them by the way the same in modernization .... and loaves are also the same ... so besides ash trees there is someone to wind their tails ...
          2. PN
            PN 23 October 2015 20: 09 New
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            And it’s better to please these two fleets with destroyers.
            1. gispanec 23 October 2015 22: 00 New
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              Quote: PN
              And it’s better to please these two fleets with destroyers.

              yes, in principle, frigates of the Gorshkov type almost came close to the destroyer in terms of armament .... so they should be planned for all fleets ... 4-6 in each ... now Grigorovich’s series will end immediately at 3 shipyards + Kerch download and drive the series ... and the corvettes need to be built at the Zelenodolsk plant .....
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    8. Black_PR 23 October 2015 19: 28 New
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      In the West ..? ))))
      1. jjj
        jjj 23 October 2015 20: 10 New
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        When the boat begins to open torpedo tubes for salvo, then adversary acoustics are not immediately clear: conventional torpedoes will go or missiles
    9. Wasiliy1985 23 October 2015 21: 23 New
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      I join this offer!
    10. Timur72 23 October 2015 21: 46 New
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      I am for !!! Only on the bases of terrorist training in an independent, and it’s easier to consider it !!!
    11. LEX SU 24 October 2015 03: 41 New
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      through the territory of mattress !!!! and if they fall - well, Russia will apologize lol
    12. Road runer 26 October 2015 10: 47 New
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      The news is certainly positive, but like all recently for urapatriots. Add a barrel of tar in a spoonful of honey. Meanwhile, at Sevmash: A criminal mess and a massive violation of technology in the construction of nuclear submarines at Sevmash!
      An open appeal of welders to the president!
      For this under Stalin-would be shot. Under Brezhnev, they put 15 years under. Under Putin, it’s just right to give the Sevmash CEO Mikhail Budnichenko the medal of the US Congress for his invaluable contribution to the defeat of the “enemy” nuclear fleet.
      Who cares, here is the link: http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/3765838
    13. Alexey-74 26 October 2015 12: 54 New
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      You can "calibrate" the opinion of those who disagree .....
  2. theodore rasp 23 October 2015 17: 42 New
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    Seven feet under the keel!
    1. FID
      FID 23 October 2015 17: 44 New
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      Quote: Theodore Rasp
      Seven feet under the keel!

      Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!
      1. vorobey 23 October 2015 17: 47 New
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        Quote: SSI
        Quote: Theodore Rasp
        Seven feet under the keel!

        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!


        Well then, a successful hunt .. laughing
        1. lelikas 23 October 2015 18: 01 New
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          Quote: vorobey
          Well then, a successful hunt ..

          There are now in abundance of whom they hunt, almost the entire coast of the World Cup - one "partners".
      2. GSH-18 23 October 2015 17: 53 New
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        Quote: SSI
        Quote: Theodore Rasp
        Seven feet under the keel!

        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!

        The Black Sea is a pretty deep water pool. In some places, the depth exceeds 2 km. This and the underwater nuclear cruisers are more than enough. And not like the Varshavyanka.
      3. lelikas 23 October 2015 17: 59 New
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        Quote: SSI
        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!

        It all depends on the situation! laughing
      4. avt
        avt 23 October 2015 18: 42 New
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        Quote: SSI
        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!

        Quote: vorobey
        Well then, a successful hunt ..

        no Well, it's time to finally remember - so that the number of dives is equal to the number of ascent, the other - for the strength of a solid body.
    2. zennon 23 October 2015 19: 11 New
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      Quote: Theodore Rasp
      636.3 "Varshavyanka"

      You can see what (clickable):
  3. Major Yurik 23 October 2015 17: 44 New
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    Oh, if even the ancient ukrov had a brain, they would not dig the Black Sea so deep laughing Good luck to you, submariners! soldier
    1. lelikas 23 October 2015 18: 03 New
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      Quote: Major Yurik
      Oh, if even the ancient ukrov had a brain, they would not dig the Black Sea so deep. Good luck to you, submariners!

      For posterity they tried! They did not know that they were so degrading.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
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      Quote: Major Yurik
      Oh, if even the ancient ukrov had a brain, they would not dig the Black Sea so deep. Good luck to you, submariners!

      Just when a country has nothing to be proud of, they begin to rewrite history in such a way as to represent the country as a great empire, even in the past. Come up with some achievements, albeit at the level of legends.
    3. Oman 47 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
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      Here the kahly will pop up - and DROP the Black Sea, disruption at the same time and the Main Caucasian ridge - to spite Russia and Turkey ... belay
      1. Aljavad 24 October 2015 04: 18 New
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        Here the kahly will pop up - and DROP the Black Sea, disruption at the same time and the Main Caucasian ridge - to spite Russia and Turkey ... belay


        And what? And then there will be continuous Russia to the Red Sea ...
    4. Sea Wolf 26 October 2015 08: 35 New
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      Everyone complete the task and return. Piglet then, on the pier.
  4. Wiruz 23 October 2015 17: 47 New
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    Yeah And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships request
    1. Lord of the Sith 23 October 2015 17: 52 New
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      While three are accepted, the fourth passes sea trials. I think it’s enough for the eyes ... And there in 2016 two more will arrive.
    2. ava09 23 October 2015 17: 54 New
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      (C) Hmm. And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships

      You are the first author who drew attention to the essence of the "material", unfortunately. I read the comments above - some kind of panopticon, even Christmas trees with missiles dress up in their fantasies ... Erotic, probably ...-)))
      1. lelikas 23 October 2015 18: 15 New
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        Quote: ava09
        (C) Hmm. And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships

        You are the first author who drew attention to the essence of the "material", unfortunately. I read the comments above - some kind of panopticon, even Christmas trees with missiles dress up in their fantasies ... Erotic, probably ...-)))

        “a shift of timelines to the right” is now a normal situation, despite the fact that LAO practically does not delay the timelines - everything is tied to finances.
    3. GSH-18 23 October 2015 18: 00 New
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      The Black Sea Fleet really needs new modern surface ships. The Black Sea Fleet actually controls the entire Mediterranean region. This region is key for all world players. Accordingly, it is impossible to overestimate the role of the Black Sea Fleet. The Black Sea Fleet certainly plays and will play a serious military-political role in this important region of the world.
  5. Dart2027 23 October 2015 17: 49 New
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    I hope the frigates will work.
  6. Bthuk 23 October 2015 17: 57 New
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    Caliber can be naughty from under water?
    1. GSH-18 23 October 2015 18: 01 New
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      Caliber can be naughty from under water?

      Can. There is a modification for submarines.
    2. rf xnumx 23 October 2015 18: 04 New
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      Quote: BaTHuk
      Caliber can be naughty from under water?
      Of course available !
      1. opus 23 October 2015 18: 32 New
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        Of course available !

        on your photo ICBM Mace R-30




        KR ZM-14 "starts" at a different pitch angle.
        Like the ZM-10 "grenade"



    3. opus 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
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      Caliber can be naughty from under water?

      Caliber-PL (E) missile system for arming submarines.


      ZM-14 is similar in size to ZM-54
      The solid-fuel engine of the “first” (booster) stage of the rocket ensures its movement in the underwater section of the trajectory, out of the water and climb.
      possible through TA
      Designers of the Novator Design Bureau received an almost two-meter head start in front of their colleagues at General Dynamics.
      The torpedo tubes of Soviet submarines with the same 533 mm caliber were significantly longer than the American ones. It was not possible to find exact data on the internal length of the “typical” SL pipe, however, it is also known that the overall length of the DTA-53 installed on destroyers of pr. 956 is 8,44 m ....
      you can not look at export modifications, they are "cut off"
      1. Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 19 New
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        Caliber-PL (E) missile system for arming submarines.

        Here are just the regular ammunition of Varshavyank 18 units of weapons, of which the 2nd RCC Caliber and the 2nd for hitting ground targets. Only two upper torpedo tubes are intended for firing cruise missiles.
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        2. opus 23 October 2015 21: 15 New
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          [quote = Lt. Air Force reserve] Only two upper torpedo tubes are intended for firing cruise missiles.
          4 × RC "Caliber": anti-ship missiles ZM-54 or ZM-14 instead of a part of torpedoes
          533 mm torpedo tubes (universal) anyway.
          “upper” or “lower”.
          Does 636 have upper and lower TAs?
          Isn't it her torpedo deck?


          Start up of the Kyrgyz Republic from 30-40m.
          The main thing is that there is an ESU "Caliber-PL (E)"

          [quote = Lt. Air Force reserve] That's just the regular ammunition supply of Varshavyank 18 weapons, of which 2 [/ quote]

          With you I do not agree this organization:



          Total ammunition, units (missiles / torpedoes / min) - 4/ 18 / 24.

          1. Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 22: 10 New
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            Quote: opus
            Total ammunition, units (missiles / torpedoes / min) - 4/18/24.

            Missiles and mines instead of part of the torpedoes, 46 weapons can not fit there.

            Quote: opus
            Does 636 have upper and lower TAs?
            Isn't it her torpedo deck?
            1. opus 23 October 2015 23: 10 New
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              Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
              Missiles and mines instead of part of the torpedoes, 46 weapons can not fit there.

              Admiralty shipyards say something else.

              I think they know better, maybe they are building 636.3, and selling

              About the photo.
              I do not see a fundamental difference for the Kyrgyz Republic (upper, lower)
              After all, the point is not to “ship” (the Kyrgyz Republic is so and so)

              TA is unified.

              OR?
              1. tlauicol 24 October 2015 06: 31 New
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                Armament 636:
                - 6 x 533 mm bow torpedo tubes (TA control - remote from the command post, including reloading the TA). Two of the six SLTs (the upper tier of the vehicles) are designed for the use of remote-controlled torpedoes (using the example of pr.877V). Recharging is carried out using a quick reloading device "Murena" (TA automated remote control system - SDAU TA). Loading is carried out using a special loading device.
                Ammunition - 18 torpedoes (6 pcs. In TA, 12 pcs. On shelves) types 53-65KE, TEST-71ME (up to 4 pcs.) Or 24 mines DM-1 (or a combination of torpedoes and mines).

                how in 636.3 (pr.08773, pr.636M / 06361) everything will fit at once (46 units)? no way
                1. opus 24 October 2015 11: 01 New
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                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  how in 636.3 (pr.08773, pr.636M / 06361) everything will fit at once (46 units)? no way

                  you need to ask in the admiralty shipyards.
                  It's written
                  The number of torpedo tubes, units / caliber, mm. - 6/533;
                  Total ammunition, units (missiles / torpedoes / min) - 4/18/24.

                  http://admship.ru/?page_id=78

                  not written 4 or 18 or 24 or variations?
                  "total" = total
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Two of the six SLTs (upper tier of devices) are designed

                  it doesn’t mean that a shot cannot be fired from TA.
                  The loading of the Club-S complex missile into the torpedo tube of an Indian submarine pr.08773


                  The loading of Club-S complex missiles into the torpedo tubes of the Indian submarine "Sindhuvijay" pr.08773

                  Only two upper ones are telecontrolled, their lower ones are impossible.
                  Well, as I understand it (reel with cable)
                  1. tlauicol 24 October 2015 14: 44 New
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                    These numbers should be read "4 missiles and 14 torpedoes or 18 torpedoes or 24 mines" - compare with any other diesel-electric submarines.
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                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      and should read "4 missiles and 14 torpedoes or 18 torpedoes or 24 mines

                      I read, as the manufacturer wrote, without the "follows."
                      But I will ask them to be so.
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Compare with any other DEPL.

                      with what?
                      212A?

                      12 torpedoes of the DM-2A3 Seehecht and DM-2A4 types, to 24 bottom and to 36 anchor mines instead of torpedoes, anti-ship missiles "Triton" (number do not say)
                      Dolphin: Standard ammunition consists of 16 torpedoes and 5 anti-ship missiles “Sab-Harpoon” and mines (qty = ND)

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                        Maybe the KAA Boa constrictor knows about the number of missiles or about the reload speed request
                        I just thought: the possibility of firing the TEST-71ME was limited by the two top SLTs (coil, cable); under the "Pomegranate" filling the container with water before launch, increasing the pressure in the rocket (it was not for nothing that the experienced submarines altered it) ... maybe there are such difficulties with the Caliber, are they talking about two TAs? Not so simple, apparently, there is a difference where to let
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                  Two of the six SLTs (the upper tier of the vehicles) are designed for the use of remote-controlled torpedoes (for example, pr.877V)


                  correction. Telecontrolled are airborne, i.e. TA No. 1 and No. 2. your opponent has provided you with a photo of the torpedo deck of the Warsaw (only not pr. 636.3). If you look closely, you can see how the rear covers of the TA of the central group and the tail numbers differ. this “bulge” on the cover of the airborne TA also tells us that there are remote-controlled torpedoes with a coil and secateurs in this bulge. the top in this photo is not visible. but they differ from the lower central ones by the presence of a special AERVD connector in them. rockets can only be fired from them. but in 636.3, the TAs are already universal and they can shoot everything with rockets. but they are no longer designed for remote-controlled torpedoes
              2. tlauicol 24 October 2015 06: 38 New
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                - Project 08773, Project 636M / 06361 - Club-S missile system with the launch of cruise missiles from an underwater position from the upper tier TA (2 TA). Ammunition - 4 missiles (can be increased) and 14 torpedoes or 24 mines. Increased by reducing the number of torpedoes, of course.
                Question about Murena recharge device: how fast does it reload? or foreign analogues?
                1. opus 24 October 2015 11: 13 New
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                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Question about Murena recharge device: how fast does it reload? or foreign analogues?

                  who will tell something?
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                  On the new American nuclear submarine of the Seawolf type, the ammunition is stored on special fixed or rotary racks, equipped with a device for mechanized reloading torpedo tubes.

                  Ammunition loading on submarines is usually done through a special torpedo loading hatch in the torpedo compartment.

  7. roskot 23 October 2015 18: 01 New
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    May our friends rejoice and the enemies tremble. The fleet is getting stronger.
    1. smershxnumx 23 October 2015 20: 05 New
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      roskot SU Today, 18:01
      May our friends rejoice and the enemies tremble. The fleet is getting stronger.

      And here is another super-super-captain general, apparently, there is nothing more to say ... "Stars" do not allow ... laughing laughing laughing
      The brevity and speed of typing provides a "rating" laughing laughing laughing
  8. chunga-changa 23 October 2015 18: 04 New
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    At the Black Sea Fleet, 6 pieces are planned. PL and 6 pieces. MRK. I think the submarines will have more important tasks than to shoot missiles, and the RTOs will cope with this, especially since they can’t do anything else. Six submarines are certainly a drop in the bucket, the Turks can put up fourteen "classmates." At the Black Sea Fleet, at least one more submarine brigade is needed, and now there is enough space. Even so - there are now so many places that for his defense one more brigade of submarines is urgently needed.
  9. starshina pv 23 October 2015 18: 10 New
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    I got a stink from the Marshals and Generals, what good guys we are !!!! and where is the second launch ??? or just identified ????
    1. opus 23 October 2015 18: 39 New
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      and where is the second launch ??? or just identified ????

      expensive.
      The cost of one launch of the Tomahawk Kyrgyz Republic in March 2011 was about $ 1,5 million / piece.
      It’s obviously more expensive (less production, technological base, imported components, no junk on delay, etc.)

      Give goals "appropriate."



      Dushman with Kalashnikov?

      Cheaper (up to $ 20 / norm hour)
    2. smershxnumx 23 October 2015 20: 12 New
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      starshina pv (2) SU Today, 18:10
      I got a stink from the Marshals and Generals, what good guys we are !!!! and where is the second launch ??? or just identified ????

      The foreman of the border troops, do not worry about the "cons"! This is "foam", "scum" ... They who first posted - he is in the "chocolate" laughing
      When there is a need - "there will be a squirrel for you, there will be a whistle"!
      "Everything is good in moderation!" - said Jawaharlal Nehru ... bully
  10. kote119 23 October 2015 18: 13 New
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    don’t have to make a panacea from calibers, they shot and fired, a rocket is like a rocket, they were written on sheets and not in diapers from the khibiny, now the caliber ..... minus urakalki.
    1. nemec55 23 October 2015 19: 39 New
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      minus urakalki.

      Why is this high .. falling ???
      Opinion so the opinion is not to breed the same market ??
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        I'm not from evil, from the heart
        1. nemec55 23 October 2015 20: 09 New
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          I think every literate person understands that the caliber is not a flag over the Reichstag. And we have a lot of cool chips in the army.
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    And Shoigu will have DR in May. And you can just check "who pisses higher on the wall."
    Just why were there 26 launches? The GDP is still 63 years old.
  12. Old26 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
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    Quote: GSH-18
    There will be an opportunity, if anything, to enter into some kind of reptiles from the Black Sea basin.

    By whom, can I find out?

    Quote: Simon
    It’s better for the West to propose checking the NK Caliber for American bases located in Europe, or the fact that there are too many of them divorced. Then they will know for sure whether the gauge flew or not. And let it scratch your head after that. recourse laughing


    Is it okay if in response they decide to check our bases in the Crimea, in Abkhazia, South Ossetia? Tomahawks ??? Maybe before you grind with your tongue, you need to turn on the brain and calculate what we get in response ???? Damn ... STRATEGIES .... Such a weapon, especially to such a one should not be allowed on a cannon shot ....

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    While three are accepted, the fourth passes sea trials. I think it’s enough for the eyes ... And there in 2016 two more will arrive.

    Three? As far as I remember, only ONE, the rest pass certain tests

    Quote: Wiruz
    Yeah And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships request

    Yes, Alexei, they promised. And this does not mean at all that the dates will not be shifted to the right for one reason or another. I would not want to, but HZ, how and what happens

    Quote: chunga-changa
    At the Black Sea Fleet, 6 pieces are planned. PL and 6 pieces. MRK. I think the submarines will have more important tasks than to shoot missiles, and the RTOs will cope with this ...


    As far as I remember, it was planned at the Black Sea Fleet 6 boats и 6 frigates. Number of RTOs - 2 minimum, the rest are either not mortgaged, or will have to be at the KVF.

    In addition, now you can talk with a 100% guarantee only about THREE frigates, when the rest will be commissioned - and there, as you know the problems with Ukrainian engines - is unknown. So in any case, equipping the Black Sea Fleet with new ships moves to the right
    1. Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 09 New
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      Quote: Old26
      As far as I remember, 6 boats and 6 frigates were planned at the Black Sea Fleet.

      + 7th Alrosa. Which will have to be repaired and modernized.
    2. Kuzyakin15 23 October 2015 20: 30 New
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      Old 26:
      100% ++. We got ,, urrrrrya-patriots- we’ll put everyone ,, (please do not confuse with real-minded patriots, of whom the majority are in.
      Just to yell urrrr, but why the fuck ..... n knows.
  13. Armored optimist 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
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    Thus, the whole of Europe will be "under the hood"
  14. maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 18: 32 New
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    Want Want want!!! I want the words! We are closer to the Far East! Just a quiet fly ... Lionfish would be for us ... A few pieces ... Well, at least 500 ... winked
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      Wait, do not flicker ... For two hares .... You know ... smile
  15. maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 18: 35 New
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    And to us, in the Far East? Only the Silent fly over ... We would be a bit, about 500 pieces ... repeat
    1. kote119 23 October 2015 18: 47 New
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      will you be on the Far East?
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        Yes, such a little island ... It looks like a fish. "Area on the Islands" is called ... repeat
        1. kote119 23 October 2015 19: 06 New
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          Sakhalin, or what?
  16. Garris199 23 October 2015 18: 37 New
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    Ammunition in 4 caliber will not be enough. At the same "Buyan-m" with a smaller displacement, twice as many missiles. Or is it possible to load calibers on a submarine instead of all torpedoes?
    1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 18: 45 New
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      Quote: Garris199
      Or is it possible to load calibers on a submarine instead of all torpedoes?

      Yes, if the commanders of boats and above do not stomp. You can take the entire ammunition of cruise missiles and shoot them through 2 devices.
      1. kote119 23 October 2015 19: 00 New
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        and on duty where to put it (even though they are in that one), instead of full bk, not a single KPL will take winked
        1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 10 New
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          Quote: kote119
          and where to put on duty (even though they are in that one),

          6 pieces in apparatuses and 12 in racks. What is wrong? How racks will be freed from non-firing devices to racks and from them to firing. You can take a couple more pieces of superfluous stocks: 1 on the deck and 1 on the suspension. It’s already not even 18 units of ammunition, but all 20. Well, if there is a hold in the torpedo nose, then it’s not a sin to put it there. As well as at least 1 weapon under the deck compartment. This is now our warriors do not know anything and have a virgin brain not burdened with knowledge of history. And with their knowledge, you can b / c increase from 18 to 21 weapons at least. And as to cram into the hold - so there on the spot the crews must watch their own boats themselves about what fits there or not. And about the under-deck storage: there is narrow in the compartment, but you can cut a rectangle in the deck flooring and under it make a box for 1 unit of weapon. And after laying it on top, lay the deck flooring. And on that floor from above another 1 torpedo or rocket.
          And American boats also have 2 supernumerary weapons. In the US, this is practiced during wars.

          Quote: kote119
          the place of full BC, not one KPL will take

          So you need to drive such commanders to the neck. The Americans also rested. They didn’t want to either. After several commanders were removed from their posts, their boats took full “Tomahawk” ammunition and successfully shot them. And then with non-normal kmandirs, everyone always had problems. Let’s say the order will be to suddenly bombard ISIS targets with a boat. And the boat commander will refuse to accept full b / c missiles. As a result, some of the targets will remain unaffected by the boat. There will be an additional load on other weapons. And all because no one will accept. That’s why I’m saying that if the admirals on the shore and the boat commanders are blanched, then everything will be all right.
          1. kote119 23 October 2015 19: 23 New
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            if it’s not a secret on which project did you serve and in which year?
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              Quote: kote119
              if it’s not a secret on which project did you serve and in which year?

              He didn’t serve on any. I’m just doing the history of submarines and I know who had what boats and what they had in real wars.
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            BC pl commander does not determine
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    think for yourself comrade patriots, on the Black Sea theater of operations there are 1000 large targets that cannot be hit with one caliber, and on the 4 of them they will take a maximum of (6x4) in a normal scenario - this is zero, a beam of PCRs or torpedoes.
    1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 18: 54 New
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      Quote: kote119
      and on pl 4 of them will take a maximum (6x4) in a normal scenario

      This is not in a normal situation. Under normal conditions when setting a task to destroy ground targets, boats will take 18 pieces of cruise missiles each. It’s just that the admirals on the shore and the boat commanders need to be blown so that they know that if they shoot 2 devices, this does not mean that only 4 can be loaded.
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        I am in the subject, but the main task must be fulfilled, and self-defense is needed, I agree with you completely aboard and mine loading can be accepted
        1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
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          Quote: kote119
          I am in the subject, but the main task must be fulfilled, and self-defense is needed, I agree with you completely aboard and mine loading can be accepted

          When the main task is shelling ground targets, say ISIS in Syria, then there is no state of war with someone at sea. Therefore, self-defense is not needed. It takes a full b / c cruise missiles and is pulled to full use.
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            Quote: Denis_469
            When the main objective is firing at ground targets,

            Well, actually pralno. It all depends on the task. The main thing is that there is a fundamental opportunity to vary the ammunition. 18 calibers is already something.
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            learn the story of a warrior on the seas
  18. Old26 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
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    But in this matter, nothing needs to be agreed with the Turks ... don’t worry ... small-tonnage ships with straits and canals (Varshavyanka 3000 tons pass by itself, Buyan less than 1000 tons ... like some kind of fisherman will touch4) they’ll hold a thread like that ... I recall an old joke about the Soviet missile harvester ...

    Well connoisseur, damn it ... And why are you here, in. but not at the General Staff ... I do not like the phrase LEARN MATCHbut she is for people like you.

    ANY EXIT through the straits are consistent with the Turks, "Buyan" can pretend to be a fisherman only in your brain. I understand that Friday (Tjepnica) was taken higher than what was laid on the chest and suffered ....
    WARSAW will pass through the straits only IN POPULATION.
    If you want to shoot ISIS from the Black Sea, you will have to coordinate with the Turks, otherwise all missiles will be shot down

    Quote: Garris199
    Ammunition in 4 caliber will not be enough. At the same "Buyan-m" with a smaller displacement, twice as many missiles. Or is it possible to load calibers on a submarine instead of all torpedoes?


    The ability to download? Why not. Shoot - no. Only 4 missiles from the upper TA.

    Quote: Denis_469
    Yes, if the commanders of boats and above do not stomp. You can take the entire ammunition of cruise missiles and shoot them through 2 devices.

    And will you manually overload the lower racks to the upper racks ???

    Quote: Denis_469
    Quote: kote119
    and on pl 4 of them will take a maximum (6x4) in a normal scenario

    This is not in a normal situation. Under normal conditions when setting a task to destroy ground targets, boats will take 18 pieces of cruise missiles each. It’s just that the admirals on the shore and the boat commanders need to be blown so that they know that if they shoot 2 devices, this does not mean that only 4 can be loaded.


    Are you ready to manually overload from the lower racks to the upper 2,5 ton rockets in the compartment ??? Or will sailors do this work for you ??? PANCAKE LEARN MATCH
    1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 19 New
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      Quote: Old26
      And will you manually overload the lower racks to the upper racks ???

      In previous wars, they were manually overloaded. And now they’ll do it.

      Quote: Old26
      Are you ready to manually overload from the lower racks to the upper 2,5 ton rockets in the compartment ???

      So this is the standard procedure on all fleets of the times 1 and 2 of the world wars. Americans sometimes manually carried torpedoes from the stern racks to the bow. Through the whole boat and through all the hatches. I remind you that there was no UBZ either in the 1st and 2nd world wars. Everything was done there manually. And the 533 mm torpedoes also weighed about 2 tons each.

      Quote: Old26
      Or will sailors do this work for you ???

      So yes - the sailors will do. The officers on the boat are for command, not to overload or reload torpedoes and missiles.

      Quote: Old26
      Pancake LEARN MATCH

      So learn the materiel. I understand that history is evil and now the crews of boats do not know how to work with the weapons of their boats. But it needs to be fixed.
      1. mvg
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        What nonsense ... You can cram a couple more rockets into the galley, and in the gym ... What the hell should I write? No one will take the supernumerary of ANYTHING. Total 4x6 = 24 missiles .. Not even enough for one AUG. In the best case, a Turkish parrot, if they are in the anti-ship version. 636.6 project - this is anti-submarine defense, minefields, not a shock option. Nuclear-powered vehicles on the Black Sea Fleet are also not an option, since the zone is free of atoms. And it’s too expensive to “bullet” Calibra’s on excavators and hospitals. We would have 3-4 thousand of them, of which 2-3 on the expiration date ...
        The same Su-34 (even at $ 20000 / hour can carry 8 tons (like warheads of 20 calibers) to the same distance, but the task is not an example more flexible. But Tu'ska will dump 40 tons of old free-falling bombs on his head bearded and not really .. at what from a height of 20 km, they don’t even understand where ..
        1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 25 New
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          Quote: mvg
          No one will take the supernumerary of ANYTHING.

          I already read it. And before the 1st World War and before the 2nd World War. Those who thought so usually more than 2-3 combat (namely fighting in a real war) campaigns did not survive. And therefore, during the wars, each commander went hungry as he wanted to increase his ammunition. Just a supernumerary, since there are not many torpedoes in a war. They are always lacking. And we will also have a new war. And during the Second World War, some commanders of U-type boats took a couple of 45-36 torpedoes into the stern torpedo compartment. Since 533 mm in length were not intermediated, but 450 mm were placed. According to the project, there were no spare torpedoes for the Shch fodder units, but they really wanted to live ...

          So I repeat once again - those who are "nothing supernumerary" - those can pre-order the funeral by themselves. Most likely they will die very quickly.
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            Yes, the boat does not "shoot back" from the Moscow Region and destroyers by torpedoes ... This is also before! The main weapon of the boat is stealth. Gone to the bottom, washed off, lost - survived. Otherwise - a kayuk. If she enters into a duel with a destroyer, there will be TROUBLE. Some options in World War II, this is an exception to the rule .. When an 88 mm gun (the only one) entered the surface position in an artillery battle. A boat is needed as a paralyzer of cargo shipping. From a torpedo - adequate protection does not exist. At least that's what they taught. But attacking warships in a warrant is tantamount to suicide. Varshavyanka at the Black Sea Fleet - to “tie up” 3-4 NATO destroyers, and 15-20 frigates .. This is not an offensive weapon, I repeat once again. If there were such "floating batteries" like "Florida" or conversion "Ohio" with 156 axes, then an option. And so - "annoy" the Janissaries ..
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              Quote: mvg
              The main weapon of the boat is stealth.

              There is stealth before the first attack or until the first radiogram or until the first detection. Further in the place it is very likely to calculate where the boat is going, how it will go and when it will arrive. And when she begins to attack, then there is no stealth anymore. All boat actions are easy to see.

              Quote: mvg
              If she enters into a duel with a destroyer, there will be TROUBLE.

              Yes - sorry for you, the participants in the wars (that 1, that 2) did not hear. There was once a case when 1 boat was hunting Japanese destroyers. And struck 4 or 5 pieces (right now I won’t say I need to search). So - the Japanese command decided that a group of submarines was operating there and that the fleet operation should be postponed. In general, boat attacks on destroyers are an everyday routine during wars.

              Quote: mvg
              Yes, the boat does not "shoot back" from the Ministry of Defense and destroyers by torpedoes ...

              In dangerous cases, it fires back, firing a torpedo or torpedoes in its direction. During World War II, in the submarine fleets of Germany and the USA (where there were homing torpedoes), there was a clear order to launch homing torpedoes at the approaching enemy destroyers. That is, if an anti-submarine ship goes in your direction, then the boat first launches a torpedo along it and only then goes into the depths and begins to evade.

              Quote: mvg
              But attacking warships in a warrant is tantamount to suicide.

              And can you find out how many boats in real wars so suicidal? And then somehow it turns out that submarine attacks on aircraft carrier groups and squadrons of warships are almost a routine.
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                mvg 23 October 2015 23: 54 New
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                The Black Sea is generally a puddle for submarines. But to find submarines traveling at 4-5 nodes, and at 300 m depth, and even hydroelectric power stations in submarines, as a rule, are more interesting than in NK, with a margin .. It may get lost. However, there are not many anti-submarine weapons to hit submarines at such a depth .. (not all torpedoes or missile torpedoes dive like that).
                So she attacked from 30 m depth and left until the Orions arrived and the frigates sailed .. There is time to be buried.
                Regarding artduels in the Second World War. Yes, I read a couple of cases, ended with the heroic death of the submarines (unless, of course, she shot the unarmed vehicles, saving torpedoes). Homing torpedoes were in the United States, the Germans do not know .. Almost appeared at dzhapanov. Torpedoes were fired not to parasite (it was too little chance to get into a combat-ready and maneuvering ship), but to distract, to gain time.
                This is how much you need to shoot to hit 4-5 destroyers ??? :-) For a boat, 1-2 hits are fatal, for destroyers - no. The Japanese are not fools at all. Smart, cunning and experienced. On an equal footing they fought with the strongest fleet of the planet (plus kangaroos and shaving, and Canadians). I read that a damaged boat (could not dive) entered the battle with 3-4 destroyers .. then surrendered .. but heroically (they flooded themselves), but this is an exception. Samurai are heroes, but not!
                The attack of destroyers imprisoned on PLO is roughly like a hornet’s nest with a stick .. Beautiful, but unreasonable .. and very fast. Especially in the Second World War, when the submarines were already considered a real force and prepared for attacks.
                And, it seems to me that it’s much more realistic to take a superstate a couple of batteries ... than a couple of torpedoes. Especially fodder .. More sense if you lie at the bottom for a week ..
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                  Quote: mvg
                  But to find submarines going at 4-5 knots, and at 300 m depth
                  Nobody goes to the ultimate depth! Failing to take the ballast is possible, but consciously ... on the verge of a foul ... Dismiss!
                  Quote: mvg
                  it’s much more realistic to take a superstate a couple of batteries ... than a couple of torpedoes.
                  You have no idea what you're talking about! This is not a flashlight where you can stick another "pair of batteries", or a cart where you can throw a couple of bags of potatoes! At sea, everything should be in regular places and be detached in a marching manner. He doesn’t like jokes, there are waves above the village council, an electrolyte sometimes spills even from standard AB batteries, poorly detached torpedoes crawl on lodgments ... And you can take extraordinary ones ... You can push provisions above all the cracks above the norm ...
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                  Quote: mvg
                  I read that a damaged boat (could not dive) entered the battle with 3-4 destroyers .. then surrendered .. but heroically (they flooded themselves), but this is an exception.

                  These were not 3-4 destroyers, but only 1. It was a matter of fog, because the Japanese shot at flashes.
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                mvg 24 October 2015 00: 02 New
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                http://las-arms.ru/index.php?id=159 по поводу акустических торпед у немцев.
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                There was once a case when 1 boat was hunting Japanese destroyers.


                Hunting and duel are two big differences.

                Submarines on the occasion drowned and more serial military units than EM. But precisely - on occasion, from an ambush.
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              Yes, the boat does not "shoot back" from the Moscow Region and torpedo destroyers ... This is also before! The main weapon of the boat is stealth.
              Hello again! Yes, the main tactical quality of submarines is secrecy. But when they found you, then everything that is on board comes to business. Those who are familiar with TR submarines remember the tactic “Breakthrough of PLC system with the attack of one of the TO ships”.
              Quote: mvg
              From a torpedo - adequate protection does not exist.

              It did not exist, it will be more accurate. Then the Package appeared, GPA means, now they put anti-torpedoes for boats ...
              Quote: mvg
              or conversion "Ohio" with 156 axes,

              You are definitely bad with arithmetic! not 156, but 154 KR Tomahok. "Each of the 4 SSGNs is armed 154 cruise missiles Tomahawk, 22 out of 24 missile silos were modernized for vertical launch of the Kyrgyz Republic. In each modernized mine placed 7 missiles. The two mines closest to the wheelhouse are equipped with lock chambers. They are joined by ASDS mini-submarines. "(Http://3mv.ru)
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          If the enemy has at least some serious air defense, it would be better if the sailors tormented while carrying missiles on the boat than to expose the aircraft under attack. And I did not see the planes carrying full ammunition in Syria, although the FABs could have been spared.
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          What nonsense.
          I completely agree with your self-criticism! Now in order.
          Quote: mvg
          Total 4x6 = 24 missiles ... Not even enough for one AUG.
          Where does the digit come from? Well, understandably 6x3 = 18. Where did the extra seats in the 1st compartment on the 1st deck come from? Even if there are 6 in the pipes, then there are only 12 seats on the shelves. Or do you have a rubber compartment? And then, maybe they heard something about deja .TA? A submarine duel, and a break from the PLC? - No? Well, then - LEARN MAT PART!
          About AUG. There is a main goal - AVU. Here it will be discharged. First, anti-ship missiles, then torpedoes, with a breakthrough of protection. What did you think? In war, as in war! The task must be completed. And at what cost - it depends on equipment, luck, crew training, hydrology, readiness of submarine forces and many other components ...
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          636.6 project - This is anti-submarine defense, minefields, not a shock option.
          Yes you are a seer! Already TTX of the 6th modification you know! But let's talk about the 3rd! (pr.636.3!) Why do you deprive submarines of shock capabilities? What should I do if OBK, or DesO, or KOH, is hiding through your position at the worst end of the military TR?
          Aviation your pearls leave aviators! Believe me, there is also something there ... uh ... work!
    2. Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 24 New
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      And to make it clear, I’ll say this: that American (some) and German boats also had a torpedo reserve in the inter-hull space. This is the one that is between lightweight and sturdy cases. And the typical loading of IX series boats involved 10-14 torpedoes in the hull and 12-18 torpedoes inside the hull. Of these, several torpedoes on the decks of the torpedo compartment and under the deck of the torpedo compartment. So on the German IXC in the hold of the bow torpedo compartment there was a place for 4 (sometimes) 6 torpedoes. And with all this, the crews handled it manually. UBZ at that time were only on English boats of types "O" and "P", which the British themselves refused during the war. In order to increase the supply of torpedoes on boats of new projects instead of UBZ.
      1. kote119 23 October 2015 19: 36 New
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        you are too keen on history
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          you are too keen on history

          Those who do not know history and are not keen on it die in the war first.
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            I completely agree with you on this
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        go down from heaven to the torpedo compartment pl and then write
        1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 21 New
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          In the 90s he visited almost all projects of boats of the SF. And in the torpedo compartments as well. Because I saw from that and proceed.
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            and saw places for emergency torpedoes?
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              and saw places for emergency torpedoes?

              Saw. And I saw a free place on the deck. And I saw a torpedo on the suspension. And the place under the torpedo deck also saw. Where can I weld a box for an extra torpedo.
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                on which project?
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                  If I remember correctly, I was at 641B (I don’t remember the number of the boat), at 971 (like the Wolf), 667 (carrier (Orenburg 1st)), 667 AT (the last suspension with the tiller burst), 877 (no I remember), 641 (which they dragged to the plant for cutting), 667 BDRM (Karelia, like, but I could be mistaken), 941 (I already forgot the number, maybe TK-20). According to ours, everything seems to be. Was also on the French type "Rubis" coming to Severomorsk. It was not fate to get into the English type "Oberon".
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                  Climb up to begin with at least at pr. 877, which is more than one and a half times 636. There’s nothing to fart, no turn around, for an hour of excursion, I’ve broken my clothes in 3 places, there’s a super-tight layout, it’s corny VERY closely
                  I will add, your historical facts are very interesting, BUT! they have a very distant relationship to modernity
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                    there it is corny VERY closely

                    Nevertheless, on the torpedo deck of the torpedo compartment there is space for 1 torpedo and another 1 torpedo hanging on the suspension.
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                      calm down, there’s nothing for you there, you haven’t been to a single square, you are a theoretician, and class O is the Oberon only in England, it’s on a pedestal, don’t write any crap.
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                        I better know where I was and where I was not. And Oberon came to Severomorsk. So do not write crap. I understand that I want to show off my ignorance - well, so shine ... I read and laugh. Based on the fact that I am a theorist, then you are just a schoolboy.
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                        In total, from 1957 to 1978, 29 submarines of this type were built. Most of them were sold to other countries or built according to their orders, submarines of the Oberon type were, in addition to the UK Navy, armed with the Navy of Australia, Canada, Brazil, Chile and Egypt. In the UK, submarines of this type were withdrawn from service in the late 1980s and early 1990s;
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                    Well, formally there is. only have to crawl there. I am not tall, but in the hoists the pendant head was attached in the 1st compartment. So just creep!
          2. Boa kaa 24 October 2015 03: 23 New
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            and saw places for emergency torpedoes?

            And you were on the boat, in the torpedo compartment, and did not see the racks (places) for storing torpedoes ... Well, then flip through at least what is posted on this site (19:11 - enlarge picture 636 in section). Or at least this:
            “The combat strength of the 636th also increased, the submarine is armed with six 533mm bow remotely-controlled torpedo tubes with ammunition for 18 torpedoes (six in the vehicles and 12 on the shelves) for various purposes, instead of torpedoes, the submarine can take up to 24 minutes. Two onboard apparatus are used for firing remote-controlled torpedoes. (http://www.sluzhuotechestvu.info)
            1. kote119 24 October 2015 16: 27 New
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              I meant the opus of my vis-à-vis about additional places, some places on the deck, holds, tsitsternah, and you pulled my words out of context, I spent a lot of time on the torpedo
  • Asadullah 23 October 2015 19: 15 New
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    on the Black Sea theater of operations 1000 large targets,


    On the Black Sea theater only local misunderstandings are possible. For in all other cases - global war. Most likely nuclear. From that any of the "calibers", the ability to carry nuclear charges. That is, the issue of the dispersal of launch points, and not the buildup of military force, which is not a piece of gold, requires constant costs. For example, several tactical nuclear strikes against Romania completely removes it from participation in the war. That is why, first of all, there is a qualitative re-equipment, not quantitative. Russia defends itself, and does not carry the idea of ​​"democracy" with missiles around the world. The conventional arms war simply ruins the country, which is why the doctrine has changed when, for aggression, the country reserves the right to use nuclear weapons.
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      so almost any cr can carry sbch
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    Hey, geyeropa, depraved, smelly, we can try it at an American military base in Germany, because there is atomic weapon, we can remove it from there right away, otherwise the mattresses were stagnant there. Yes, and you will see the accuracy and quality of our "Caliber" And the firing will be made from the Black Sea.
  • vsoltan 23 October 2015 19: 34 New
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    siegen
    But in this matter, nothing needs to be agreed with the Turks ... don’t worry ... small-tonnage ships with straits and canals (Varshavyanka 3000 tons pass by itself, Buyan less than 1000 tons ... like some kind of fisherman will touch4) they’ll hold a thread like that ... I recall an old joke about the Soviet missile harvester ...
    Well connoisseur, damn it ... And why are you here, in. but not at the General Staff ... I do not like the phrase "LEARN MATCH", but it is for people like you.

    ANY EXIT through the straits is consistent with the Turks, "Buyan" can pretend to be a fisherman only in your brain. I understand that Friday (Tjapnik) was taken above what was laid on his chest and suffered ....
    WARSAWAN will pass through the straits only in the POSITION.

    Great ... when I become the chief of the General Staff, I will invite you to the first deputy .... Bosphorus ... the depth of the fairway 36-124 meters ... Dardanelles ... the average depth of the fairway 55 m .... or still blocking the chains ... I continue to learn the materiel ... well, to your competent knowledge, in the 2010 g NIS. "Rift", displacement 1380, safely led through the Volga-Don ... I specifically there and the father and son were the youngest .... "Buyan", you think is not enough? So I continue to learn materiel .... And geography, at the same time ... :), which is why I advise you ...
  • xin-l 23 October 2015 19: 39 New
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    Well, these boats have already been built at the Admiralty Shipyards; they are now undergoing tests. And then only anaerobic ones will be built, project 636 will most likely be closed and delivered if only for export.
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    Yes, what are the problems ??! You can repeat the launch of missiles wink and meticulously count! wassat Well, I think this is a normal option! good
  • pvv113 23 October 2015 20: 11 New
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    By the end of 2017, the Black Sea Fleet will receive all the Project 636.3 Varshavyanka submarines equipped with Caliber missiles ordered by the Ministry of Defense

    For some reason, the name "Varshavyanka" has always been associated with a victory over all adversaries
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    DHA 23 October 2015 20: 16 New
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    Look at the "WIKI" Warsaw in China more than ours!?
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      Well, yes, in the nineties, all shipyards had to be converted into frying factories due to uselessness laughing
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    I would like a rather anaerobic engine for our non-atomic pl.
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    Great ... when I become the chief of the General Staff, I will invite you as the first deputy .... Bosphorus ... the depth of the channel is 36-124 meters ... the Dardanelles ... the average channel depth is 55 meters ... or they are still blocking the chains ... I continue to learn the materiel ... well, for your competent information, in 2010 the R / V "Rift", displacement 1380, safely they led through the Volga-Don ... I specifically had both father and son the younger .... "Buyan", you think is not enough? So I continue to learn materiel .... And geography, at the same time ... :), which I advise you

    And where does the Volga-Don? the conversation was about firing CALIBERS from submarines from the Black Sea or their exit to the Mediterranean? And here is transportation along the internal routes and WARSHIANCES? Or nothing to write? The fact that BUYANE cross the internal paths is not denied. Otherwise, how would they end up on the same Black Sea ??

    And as for the Straits? What do you disagree with? With the fact that the boat should go on the surface? So this is the law. And not just in the surface, but also in addition and in the daytime. If you didn’t manage to pass both straits, it settles in the Sea of ​​Marmara. And you immediately began to “dump”, you remembered passing along the internal paths of the vessel, the chain in the straits. Nevertheless, if you write, really learn the materiel (read the same convention on the straits, on the time it takes to get to and from Black and on all other prohibitions ...)
    1. vsoltan 23 October 2015 21: 14 New
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      Thank you, pointed out possible gaps ... I read, if I find something to argue, I will answer ... basically, I meant navigating the ships .... And another intimate question - are you naval? And, with the goal of further “non-clogging of the water area", please write me back, please ... :) Thank you in advance if you teach anything .... Or just talk ... :)
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    Wonderful what the words about "asymmetric responses"do not remain words.

    Why monstrous AUG, when there are small Buyan and Varshavyanka.

    What for "gold"PRO when there are Iskanders and the same Caliber.
  • VALERIK_097 23 October 2015 20: 28 New
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    So this is the standard procedure on all fleets of the times 1 and 2 of the world wars. Americans sometimes manually carried torpedoes from the stern racks to the bow. Through the whole boat and through all the hatches.

    I beg you, they made you laugh, but they turned in which compartment
    1. kote119 23 October 2015 20: 38 New
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      comrade all in history, and did not see torpedoes, Tuscans through all the hatches ..... wassat
      1. Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 44 New
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        I understand that history is evil - because the reports of American boats to help you. If you cannot understand my words, then you can probably understand what you yourself will read.
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          I read the story, but you are far from the modern fleet, this is a fact, I can’t forbid you to wander off your conclusions
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            but you are far from the modern fleet, it is a fact

            I don’t argue with him. And even very glad that it is far from the modern fleet. Since when I visited boats in the 1990s, I saw this, that after Kursk it finally showed me that there is our fleet. Therefore, I have no illusions that our modern submariners will live long in the war.
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              and what did Kursk show you?
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                He showed me that since then I don’t communicate personally with warriors. What I promised then to the emergency staff not to talk until the time I’m fulfilling. But after that he started.
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                  promised then the rescue staff not to chat


                  "Do not chat" should be more thorough! angry
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      Quote: VALERIK_097
      I beg you, they made you laugh, but they turned in which compartment

      Unfolded in the bow torpedo. If it’s totally ridiculous, you can read it yourself in the reports of American submarines. The torpedo unfolds like this: the warhead is removed (so as not to accidentally hammer), after which the torpedo was placed diagonally and deployed. Then the warhead was lowered onto the shelves;
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        And fodder TA is not destined to shoot?
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          Quote: VALERIK_097
          And fodder TA is not destined to shoot?

          Not all boat commanders are able and able to shoot stern. The Germans and the Americans and the British have commanders who basically did not know how to shoot stern. More precisely, they shot, but almost always missed. Therefore, it was considered more useful (among Americans) to drag torpedoes from the stern into the nose.
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      I beg you, they made you laugh, but they turned in which compartment

      Campaign at the central post!
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      Americans sometimes manually carried torpedoes from the stern racks to the bow. Through the whole boat and through all the hatches.


      Ahhh ... I remember! It was shown in "Under Siege" with Seagal-kok, it seems .. The pirates pulled guns from side to side ... belay
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    Quote: VALERIK_097
    And fodder TA is not destined to shoot?

    Not all boat commanders are able and able to shoot stern. The Germans and the Americans and the British have commanders who basically did not know how to shoot stern. More precisely, they shot, but almost always missed. Therefore, it was considered more useful (among Americans) to drag torpedoes from the stern into the nose.

    Well, in this case, I recommend a toy called "Silent Hunter" with 100% realism, I dabbled about 5 years ago))). VII B-project.
  • propolsky 23 October 2015 21: 14 New
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    I can’t assess the quality and ability of these boats, as an aviator, but I feel with my skin, "I am what I need." Tolerate and appreciate, but I feel a new breath of the underwater forces of Russia. God grant!
  • leon1204id 23 October 2015 21: 37 New
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    It's not about Caliber. Modernization of project 636 implied 6pcs 636.3 diesel-electric submarines and the next 677 Lada should be equipped with VNEU. On our Lada it will not be a motor. Stirling. The Halibut project was fooled for a long time but it wasn’t brought to mind . And it should be boats of the 5th generation. Oh, what can I say. A dream for submariners. And "Caliber", by the way, at first was installed simply in 12 meter containers. As they say, "they didn’t wait." Best of luck to project 677. smile
  • Nymp 23 October 2015 21: 44 New
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    The more successful our military operations and training will be, the more mud will be sprayed on our equipment. And they themselves release expensive shit! Subsonic tamahawks are easily knocked down! There is something to compare, of course they will lie, God forbid the average merikasos will understand that their missiles are crap.
  • the most important 23 October 2015 21: 53 New
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    [quote = vorobey] Meanwhile, the West is still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

    And why refute it ??? I would be very pleased to confirm that yes ... half of the missiles fly wherever they want! From this confirmation, strokes will be in Qatar and in Saudi Arabia and in Turkey ... And you can always say: ah !!! This rocket accidentally flew into your palace ... I lost course from the heat!
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  • nemo778 23 October 2015 22: 37 New
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    I do not know! Maybe me! And Uryaaya Patriot! But! I still have goosebumps from such opportunities of our "caliber! But 1500km is in a straight line! With envelope envelope min-2500km (with bch-450kg)! A nuclear about -100kg, then simple physics good And if such a surprise from under the water! WITH "VARSOVYANKA"! love hi
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      Quote: nemo778
      I do not know! Maybe me! And Uryaaya Patriot! But! I still have goosebumps from such opportunities of our "caliber! But 1500km is in a straight line! With envelope envelope min-2500km (with bch-450kg)! And nuclear about -100kg, then simple physics. And if such a surprise from under the water! WITH "VARSOVYANKA"!

      Yes, for 30 years, such missiles, how can I be surprised? Called Grenade, S-10, were only in nuclear design, the accuracy is really not the same as that of the Caliber.
      In the USA, the 4th Ohio converted to Tomahawk can simultaneously launch 616 cruise missiles in one salvo, each of 62 Arly Burke in conventional equipment carries 26 Tomahawks, 22 more Ticonderogs. About 50 U.S. submarines can carry 12 Tomahawks each in vertical launchers + additional missiles in torpedo tubes instead of part of the torpedoes.
      Each of the 66 B-1B bombers can carry 24 AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles (range 1000 kilometers)
      Each of the 65 B52 can carry 12 AGM-158 JASSM
      Each of the 19 B2 can carry 16 AGM-158 JASSM

      I understood that if Russia would launch the first hypersonic missiles in the world for militants in Syria, one could be proud then, since the United States has approximately analogs of Caliber for as long as 30 years, they have more carriers, they buy them hundreds in 2013 was signed contract for the supply of 400 Tomahawks by 2015 to the US Navy.
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        Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
        Each of the 66 B-1B bombers can carry 24 AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles (range 1000 kilometers)
        Each of the 65 B52 can carry 12 AGM-158 JASSM
        Each of the 19 B2 can carry 16 AGM-158 JASSM


        I would delete airplanes from this list .. because in this area there is parity .. AGM up to a thousand kilometers .. Our planes carry missiles of a series x .., from 2.5 km ..

        As for sea-based missiles .. We open the map and look at the area from where they can strike Russia ... and yet you think that there will be no council for these two positional areas?
        In this case, Russian calibers has a geographical advantage .. and they do not have to be sea-based. So plus and unpaved too.
        In white ... not everything is as sad as it might seem from your text)))
        I would also remove the phrase from you - a volley of 616 missiles .. carries so much .. yes, but a volley .. bust)))
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          Quote: dvina71
          Our aircraft carry missiles of the x .. series, from 2.5k km ..

          The X-55, X-555 missiles are mainly nuclear-only. As for the X-101/102, it is not yet clear that they are still being tested.
          Quote: dvina71
          So plus and unpaved too.

          Dirt should have a maximum 500 km limit. If we break the agreement tomorrow, the Pershing and ground Tomahawks will appear again in Europe, the United States will easily be able to afford it, and Russia will not, even if we find the money, now the design bureaus are busy updating the Strategic Missile Forces.
          Quote: dvina71
          I would also remove the phrase from you - a volley of 616 missiles .. carries so much .. yes, but a volley .. bust)))

          In 15 minutes, somewhere in Ohio can launch all 154 missiles.

          Quote: dvina71
          do you think that there will be no council for these two positional areas?

          From the Pacific Ocean they can strike in the Far East, from the Arctic Ocean in the European part, from the Black Sea they can also theoretically launch a missile strike.
          Bombers can strike from any direction.
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            The Black Sea can also theoretically deliver a missile strike.

            There is no one from Cherny .. categorically .. They are still waiting for them in Middle-earth and they will not miss such a fist.
            The Pacific Ocean .. for they will also not be allowed to shoot from the internal Sea of ​​Okhotsk, they can only cover coastal areas, but there is such a path above the water .. for axes this is a sentence ..
            Arctic .. From the SVM area they don’t shine .., there remains only the area north of Scandinavia .. There is not a weak SF grazing there .. Well and very dense air defense ..

            About the volley .. 154 for 15 minutes? If only from the surface. From underwater, this is not real. The operations of a similar Hippo for the Americans are not listed .. And the mass loss on the boats would be identical.

            And yes. 500km for defense is enough ..
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          Ohio 24 trident shafts converted into 24x4 axes ... 96 pcs, plus torpedo tubes ..
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            Ohio 24 trident shafts converted into 24x4 axes ... 96 pcs, plus torpedo tubes ..

            And where do you get all this from?
            "Each of the 4 SSGNs is armed 154 cruise missiles Tomahawk, 22 out of 24 missile silos were modernized for vertical launch of the Kyrgyz Republic. In each modernized mine placed 7 missiles. The two mines closest to the wheelhouse are equipped with lock chambers. They are joined by ASDS mini-submarines. "(Http://3mv.ru)
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    But 1500km is a straight line

    144 turns now called in a straight line ???

    Quote: nemo778
    With envelope relief min-2500 km (with warhead-450 kg)! A nuclear about -100kg, then simple physics

    2500 most likely with a special unit weighing 200 kg. Well, a 100 kg warhead is from the realm of fantasy ...
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    The caliber, even a small flea, jumps far ...
    Trouble for NATO's ugly mongrel
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    6pcs x 24pcs x 2600km = LOT ..
    ...................
    arithmetic - not even mathematics ..
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    "By the end of the 2017 year, all six submarines of the VNS Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will go to the Russian Black Sea Fleet."

    This is good, but other fleets should not be forgotten. Equip everything with similar weapons.
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    ARMOR STRAP! SUBSCRIBERS OUR FAST!
    We will protect the whole world on the whole Earth !!!
    And there will be no BANDER, nor fascists!
    Planet Mother DOES NOT FEED IN THE LABOR !!!!

    )))
  • Old26 24 October 2015 10: 10 New
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    6pcs x 24pcs x 2600km = LOT ..

    Why then trifle something. Feel free to multiply 6 boats by 50 missiles and you will be happy. Pancake, FULL AMMUNITION missiles and torpedoes - 18 unitsshoot ROCKETS can only be from the top two TAs, BK - 4 missiles .... But damn, little, irrelevant. Let's increase it to as much as 24 (do not care that the boat turns out to be completely unarmed, but nothing, it's parallel reality, everything is possible there). So I propose not to trifle, but to increase the BC of boats to 50 missiles ... And it’s better to do it like on the Ohio - as much as 154 ...
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    "By the end of the 2017 year, all six submarines of the VNS Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will go to the Russian Black Sea Fleet."

    This is good, but other fleets should not be forgotten. Equip everything with similar weapons.

    So far, such boats are not planned for our Navy. 2 should be delivered to Vietnam, 2 - to Algeria ... Will there still be a construction for us - UNKNOWN
  • Bastion 24 October 2015 13: 26 New
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    It’s high time to rearm the Black Sea Fleet, and then everyone floats on the Black Sea as at home!
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    It's good. The Black Sea Fleet just needs to be strengthened. And that he was "not just the Black Sea", but also constantly present in the Mediterranean Sea.
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    I’m watching here it’s not the Kotyri clowns who even try to calculate the loot how much it costs, and if the war counts, too, wake up shameful fool
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    It’s high time to rearm the Black Sea Fleet, and then everyone floats on the Black Sea as at home!

    and something will change? No, no one is against the rearmament of the fleet, over the past quarter century it has come to a deplorable state, but the Black Sea - alas, not our internal one. Alas, besides us, another 5 countries have a way out. Yes, and no one can ban others from entering the Black Sea ...
  • sds87 25 October 2015 17: 22 New
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    Then I read 2 related articles about welders at Sevmash
    http://kompromat29.ru/lenta/2015/06/05/popilen-vtoroj-milliard/
    http://kompromat29.ru/lenta/2015/10/23/chto-sluchilos-s-vashimi-podvodnyimi-lodk
    ami, -mister-prezident-oni-vse-utonuli! /
    I supplement the second article with an article from the video http://www.35media.ru/news/2011/01/18/cherepovchanin-pytaetsya-poluchit-zarplatu
    -cherez-sud
    In short, the welders for Sevmash are recruited through some kind of LLC and the welders end up being penniless when the LLC takes away the entire main amount of the welders' payment. Again solid sawflies ...
    1. Mishmish 26 October 2015 16: 38 New
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      So THIS is Great Russia! Now only on TV they talk about the external ... but the fact that it’s real in the country is like putting languages ​​in the ass .... From Greatness Padi!
  • YaMZ-238 26 October 2015 09: 14 New
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    And the Black Sea will turn into space .... with many "black holes" wink
  • serverny 26 October 2015 16: 17 New
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    Quote: Old26
    If you want to shoot ISIS from the Black Sea, you will have to coordinate with the Turks, otherwise all missiles will be shot down

    Ugums, just like the “volley” of 26 missiles, which went practically along their borders, “was shot down” (exactly where their own air defense systems “borrowed” by other NATO countries were deployed).
    Just for starters, it would be nice for them to learn how to get information about the volleys of the Kyrgyz Republic not from television news releases many hours after the event.