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By the end of the 2017 year, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will enter the Russian Black Sea Fleet

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Deputy Armed Forces Vice-Admiral Viktor Bursuk, Deputy Chief of the Russian Navy for Arms, on the air of the TV channel “Россия 24»Announced that by the end of 2017, the Black Sea Fleet will receive all the submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, equipped with Caliber missiles, ordered by the Ministry of Defense. According to Vice-Admiral Bursuk, the Black Sea Fleet has not been properly strengthened for many years, but now an extensive program is being implemented to re-equip the Russian Black Sea Fleet, including its underwater component.


By the end of the 2017 year, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will enter the Russian Black Sea Fleet


Viktor Bursuk notes that the “partners” were seriously impressed by the launches of the Caliber rockets made by the Caspian ships flotilla.
Vice Admiral Bursuk:

Nobody in the world could have thought before that on such small displacement ships of the 21631 project it is possible to install such a formidable weapon.

We are talking about small rocket ships "Grad Sviyazhsk", "Uglich" and "Great Ustyug", which are part of the Caspian Flotilla.

Meanwhile, in the West, they are still trying to declare that not all of the Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria, and that some of the missiles allegedly fell in Iranian villages. Russian Ambassador to Iran Levan Dzhagaryan commented on the accusations against the Russian Federation (quote RIA News):

And I want to say that 7 of October launching 26 missiles from our ships that were stationed in the Caspian Sea, naturally, we coordinated with Iran, because these missiles crossed Iran's airspace. I would like to take this opportunity to say that not a single rocket fell on the territory of Iran, and those people who spread these false fabrications expressed wishful thinking.
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  1. vorobey
    vorobey 23 October 2015 17: 42 New
    68
    Meanwhile, in the West they are still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

    and let's repeat and count?
    1. Vyacheslav 64
      Vyacheslav 64 23 October 2015 17: 46 New
      12
      What good and timely news.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 23 October 2015 17: 48 New
        28
        А на Новый год в России медведи все ёлки в тайге нарядят "Калибрами"!
        Then vodka will get drunk and round dances will drive with the Russians, playing balalaikas and singing a song: Caliber-Malibr!
        (Kalinka-raspberry (tongue is drunk)
        laughing

        Fear us wild inadequate barbarians!
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 23 October 2015 17: 58 New
          16
          В тайге будут "Сарматами" наряжать ! laughing
          Now the surface ships of the Black Sea Fleet would have been provided on time.
          1. Eugene-Eugene
            Eugene-Eugene 23 October 2015 19: 32 New
            -9
            Poorly. It is necessary for Hindus to throw off this project.
            1. grayling
              grayling 24 October 2015 21: 58 New
              +3
              no, it’s not bad, the caliber has a developed system of artificial intelligence (some modifications)
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 23 October 2015 18: 34 New
          +8
          Не, не так…. Надо пафосно и высокопарно: "Да и пусть трепещут, супостаты… "… а кроме шуток, затрепещут…если Каспий призвел впечптление, то в ЧМ…. А в самый раз…. И побольше, побольше… tongue
          1. vsoltan
            vsoltan 23 October 2015 18: 38 New
            +5
            Hit a system engineer from VO: what stump do I have, a Russian, not once, except dill who has not traveled abroad ... however, Ukraine, what is this foreign country? ... why very often in the profile this damned mattress flies out? Strongly disagree, please fix ... :)
          2. Markiz_A
            Markiz_A 24 October 2015 07: 19 New
            -5
            And in the Black Sea we have only one carrier Caliber - Project 636.3 submarine Carries as many as 4 pieces! It takes another 20-odd such boats to equal the number of missiles with one US emine.
            1. vlad.svargin
              vlad.svargin 26 October 2015 16: 40 New
              0
              Markiz_A
              It takes another 20-odd such boats to equal the number of missiles with one US emine.

              DO NOT worry for us, for him (the US destroyer) and this is enough in excess, there will still be ...
        3. Observer2014
          Observer2014 23 October 2015 18: 47 New
          18
          "Байконур " привет!
          By the end of the 2017 year, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will enter the Russian Black Sea Fleet
          But cunning! Invented.
          В Каспии надводным базированием "калибр"стоит.А в Чёрном море куда нет, нет супостат заплывает, подводными лодками.Пойди их вычисли и уничтожь пока они смертоносную радость не выпустили.Сто баллов за идею и реализацию проекта!!
          1. just exp
            just exp 23 October 2015 22: 47 New
            +5
            They also go to the Black Sea Fleet and RTOs.
        4. Sterlya
          Sterlya 23 October 2015 19: 06 New
          +6
          I support. For the weekend there is still a drunken Tatar inadequate. We must be afraid, wild Barbaras (although it seems to me, I’m sure, the Barbarians are just crap, we are on foot before their barbarism)
          И Калибра всем "демократам" над душой.
        5. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 24 October 2015 14: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: Baikonur
          Then vodka will get drunk and round dances will drive together with Russians

          А после пьяные"ватники" устроят "медвежий биатлон"... laughing
        6. Sea Wolf
          Sea Wolf 26 October 2015 08: 13 New
          0
          Yes, we are Scythians, Siberians.
      2. figwam
        figwam 23 October 2015 17: 58 New
        20
        In Operation Desert Fox, 1998, the FSA carried out 415 launches of sea and air-based missiles, up to 20 percent of missiles did not achieve their goals, and about 10 percent were technically faulty before launch. From their point of view, we should have the same.
        1. Markiz_A
          Markiz_A 24 October 2015 08: 27 New
          0
          And where did such data come from?
      3. smershxnumx
        smershxnumx 23 October 2015 19: 11 New
        -3
        Vyacheslav 64 (1) RU Today, 17:46 ↑ New
        What good and timely news.

        Видимо, больше сказать и нечего... "Звезды" не позволяют... laughing laughing laughing
        Краткость и быстрота набора сообщения обеспечивают "рейтинг" laughing laughing laughing
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        2. Vyacheslav 64
          Vyacheslav 64 23 October 2015 20: 57 New
          +8
          Apparently, there is nothing more to say ... "Stars" do not allow ... laughing laughing laughing
          The brevity and speed of typing the message provide a "rating" laughing laughing laughing
          Unlike my example, your comment is incredibly deep and informative, especially galloping faces ...
      4. Klisha
        Klisha 23 October 2015 23: 06 New
        +3
        Great news, and great song to it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBnCo2SKafU
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    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 October 2015 17: 47 New
      +9
      By the end of the 2017 year, all six submarines of the 636.3 Varshavyanka project, armed with Caliber cruise missiles, will enter the Russian Black Sea Fleet

      This is great news! good
      There will be an opportunity, if anything, to enter into some kind of reptiles from the Black Sea basin.
      1. win
        win 23 October 2015 17: 55 New
        +4
        There will be an opportunity, if anything, to enter into some kind of reptiles from the Black Sea basin


        For this, it is necessary to coordinate with Turkey.

        А вот по пути "мимоходом" могут провести учения и раздолбать десяток целей из Средиземного моря.
        1. Throw
          Throw 23 October 2015 18: 00 New
          12
          And meanwhile the bastards took compasses and sadly draw circles from the Black Sea with a radius of 1500 km .. Or 2600 km .. Or ... wink
        2. vsoltan
          vsoltan 23 October 2015 18: 42 New
          +5
          siegen
          But in this matter, nothing needs to be agreed with the Turks ... don’t worry ... small-tonnage ships with straits and canals (Varshavyanka 3000 tons pass by itself, Buyan less than 1000 tons ... like some kind of fisherman will touch4) they’ll hold a thread like that ... I recall an old joke about the Soviet missile harvester ...
          1. ilya_oz
            ilya_oz 23 October 2015 20: 17 New
            +2
            Due to water cannons, Buyan has a small draft and can easily move inland by sea. Even easier Warsaw.
            1. kote119
              kote119 23 October 2015 20: 25 New
              +2
              nothing to do with water cannons, and without them ships go along rivers and lakes
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 23 October 2015 21: 38 New
              +3
              Ну ,тогда полный вперёд по Днепру-Славутичу ! Орды свидомых разбегутся у Польщу та Румунию .. .К тёте Анжеле Мэркэль .Этакие ракеты "26 бакинских комиссаров!!!"Пой, поэт, песню,
              Sing
              Calico sky such
              Blue...
              The sea roars too
              Song.
              26 them,
              26.

              September 1924
              Baku



              Source: http://esenin.niv.ru/esenin/text/ballada-26.htm


      2. Oman 47
        Oman 47 23 October 2015 19: 07 New
        +6
        Западные пацаны с большими звёздами все циркули уже истерли, рисуя "калиброванные" радиусы люлей... hi
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 23 October 2015 17: 48 New
      30
      Quote: vorobey
      Meanwhile, in the West they are still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

      and let's repeat and count?

      Западу теперь надо вот о чем думать.Кстати "Варшавянки" на ЧФ тоже достойные кандидаты на премию.
      1. Simon
        Simon 23 October 2015 18: 02 New
        +7
        This is a calibration needle to pacify NATO and America. laughing
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 23 October 2015 20: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        Кстати "Варшавянки" на ЧФ тоже достойные кандидаты на премию.

        Варшавянки, это как раз то чего давно не хватало на ЧФ. А теперь ещё и с "распиаренными" "Калибрами"...
        Reptiles of various stripes thoughtfully scratch their turnips ..
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 October 2015 23: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: vovanpain
        The West now needs to think about

        The photo shows tactical anti-ship missiles with a detachable combat stage. 3M-54E - Turquoise. They shot at BC 3M-14. Here they need to be afraid, that's for sure!
    5. Simon
      Simon 23 October 2015 17: 57 New
      +5
      Лучше западу предложить проверить "Калибр НК" по американским базам, находящихся в Европе, а то, что то слишком много там их развелось. Тогда точно будут знать, долетели калибрики или нет. И пускай чешут затылок после этого. recourse laughing
    6. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 23 October 2015 18: 24 New
      +3
      We demand the continuation of the banquet ...!
      Quote: vorobey
      Meanwhile, in the West they are still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

      and let's repeat and count?
    7. major071
      major071 23 October 2015 18: 28 New
      24
      Twenty six flew by
      Do not count in the pants!
      Missiles fly to Syria
      Closets are cracking in the USA ...
      wink drinks
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 15 New
        +6
        These 6 submarines will be the last Varshavyanki built for the Russian Navy, you need to set up production of Lada submarines faster, you also need the Baltic Fleet (1 diesel submarine in the Baltic Fleet now), the Northern Fleet, and the Pacific Fleet to upgrade.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 23 October 2015 19: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          you also need the Baltic Fleet (1 diesel submarine in the Baltic Fleet now), the Northern Fleet, and the Pacific Fleet to upgrade.

          North and Pacific Fleet need APL in the first place ... and in the Baltic Sea, frets will be just right ... although they will not interfere in other fleets ...
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 20: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: gispanec
            North and Pacific Fleet need APL in the first place ... and in the Baltic Sea, frets will be just right ... although they will not interfere in other fleets ...

            Only 7 Ash-trees will be in two fleets. Further, the 5th generation, judging by the words of the designers, will be, but the design and production of the first submarine will drag on for 10 years at best. And diesel submarines have the ability to produce in sufficient quantities, and not piece by piece.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 23 October 2015 21: 56 New
              +5
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              Only 7 Ash-trees will be in two fleets.

              do not forget about titanium barracudas .... 3 pieces under repair and on modif .... pikes-b will also serve them by the way the same in modernization .... and loaves are also the same ... so besides ash trees there is someone to wind their tails ...
          2. PN
            PN 23 October 2015 20: 09 New
            +1
            And it’s better to please these two fleets with destroyers.
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 23 October 2015 22: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: PN
              And it’s better to please these two fleets with destroyers.

              да в принципе фрегаты типа "Горшков" практически приблизился по составу вооружения к эсминцу....вот их и надо настругать на все флота...по 4-6 штук в каждом...сейчас серия Григоровича закончится вот и сразу на 3 верфях+ керченскую загрузитьи погнать серию...а корветы надо на зеленодольском заводе строить.....
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    8. Black_PR
      Black_PR 23 October 2015 19: 28 New
      0
      In the West ..? ))))
      1. jjj
        jjj 23 October 2015 20: 10 New
        +2
        When the boat begins to open torpedo tubes for salvo, then adversary acoustics are not immediately clear: conventional torpedoes will go or missiles
    9. Wasiliy1985
      Wasiliy1985 23 October 2015 21: 23 New
      +1
      I join this offer!
    10. Timur72
      Timur72 23 October 2015 21: 46 New
      0
      I am for !!! Only on the bases of terrorist training in an independent, and it’s easier to consider it !!!
    11. LEX SU
      LEX SU 24 October 2015 03: 41 New
      0
      through the territory of mattress !!!! and if they fall - well, Russia will apologize lol
    12. Road runer
      Road runer 26 October 2015 10: 47 New
      0
      Новость конечно позитивная, но как и все в последнее время для урапатриотов. Добавлю бочку дегтя в ложку меда. А тем временем на "Севмаше": Преступный бардак и массовое нарушение технологии при строительстве АПЛ на «Севмаше»!
      An open appeal of welders to the president!
      For this under Stalin-would be shot. Under Brezhnev, they put 15 years under. Under Putin, it’s just right to give the Sevmash CEO Mikhail Budnichenko the medal of the US Congress for his invaluable contribution to the defeat of the “enemy” nuclear fleet.
      Who cares, here is the link: http://maxpark.com/community/129/content/3765838
    13. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 26 October 2015 12: 54 New
      -1
      Можно "откалибровать" мнение несогласных.....
  2. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 23 October 2015 17: 42 New
    +5
    Seven feet under the keel!
    1. FID
      FID 23 October 2015 17: 44 New
      +6
      Quote: Theodore Rasp
      Seven feet under the keel!

      Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 23 October 2015 17: 47 New
        +4
        Quote: SSI
        Quote: Theodore Rasp
        Seven feet under the keel!

        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!


        Well then, a successful hunt .. laughing
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 23 October 2015 18: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          Well then, a successful hunt ..

          Там нынче в избытке на кого охотится , практически все побережье ЧМ - одни "партнеры" .
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 23 October 2015 17: 53 New
        0
        Quote: SSI
        Quote: Theodore Rasp
        Seven feet under the keel!

        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!

        Чёрное море это довольно таки глубоководный бассейн. Местами глубина превышает 2 км. Такого и подводным атомным крейсерам более чем достаточно. А не то что "Варшавянкам".
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 23 October 2015 17: 59 New
        0
        Quote: SSI
        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!

        It all depends on the situation! laughing
      4. avt
        avt 23 October 2015 18: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: SSI
        Yes, this is not enough submarines, not enough!

        Quote: vorobey
        Well then, a successful hunt ..

        No. Well, it's time to finally remember - so that the number of dives is equal to the number of ascent, the other - for the strength of a solid body.
    2. zennon
      zennon 23 October 2015 19: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Theodore Rasp
      636.3 "Varshavyanka"

      You can see what (clickable):
  3. Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 23 October 2015 17: 44 New
    +6
    Oh, if even the ancient ukrov had a brain, they would not dig the Black Sea so deep laughing Good luck to you, submariners! soldier
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 23 October 2015 18: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Oh, if even the ancient ukrov had a brain, they would not dig the Black Sea so deep. Good luck to you, submariners!

      For posterity they tried! They did not know that they were so degrading.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Oh, if even the ancient ukrov had a brain, they would not dig the Black Sea so deep. Good luck to you, submariners!

      Just when a country has nothing to be proud of, they begin to rewrite history in such a way as to represent the country as a great empire, even in the past. Come up with some achievements, albeit at the level of legends.
    3. Oman 47
      Oman 47 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
      +1
      Here the kahly will pop up - and DROP the Black Sea, disruption at the same time and the Main Caucasian ridge - to spite Russia and Turkey ... belay
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 24 October 2015 04: 18 New
        +1
        Here the kahly will pop up - and DROP the Black Sea, disruption at the same time and the Main Caucasian ridge - to spite Russia and Turkey ... belay


        And what? And then there will be continuous Russia to the Red Sea ...
    4. Sea Wolf
      Sea Wolf 26 October 2015 08: 35 New
      0
      Everyone complete the task and return. Piglet then, on the pier.
  4. Wiruz
    Wiruz 23 October 2015 17: 47 New
    +3
    Yeah And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships request
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 23 October 2015 17: 52 New
      +3
      While three are accepted, the fourth passes sea trials. I think it’s enough for the eyes ... And there in 2016 two more will arrive.
    2. ava09
      ava09 23 October 2015 17: 54 New
      +8
      (C) Hmm. And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships

      Вы первый автор, который обратил внимание на суть "материала", к сожалению. Почитал комменты выше - паноптикум какой-то, даже ёлки ракетами наряжают в своих фантазиях... Эротических, наверное...-)))
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 23 October 2015 18: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: ava09
        (C) Hmm. And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships

        Вы первый автор, который обратил внимание на суть "материала", к сожалению. Почитал комменты выше - паноптикум какой-то, даже ёлки ракетами наряжают в своих фантазиях... Эротических, наверное...-)))

        "сдвиг сроков в право" - теперь нормальная ситуация , при том , что ЛАО , практически не задерживает сроки - все на финансы завязано .
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 October 2015 18: 00 New
      +5
      The Black Sea Fleet really needs new modern surface ships. The Black Sea Fleet actually controls the entire Mediterranean region. This region is key for all world players. Accordingly, it is impossible to overestimate the role of the Black Sea Fleet. The Black Sea Fleet certainly plays and will play a serious military-political role in this important region of the world.
  5. Dart2027
    Dart2027 23 October 2015 17: 49 New
    +1
    I hope the frigates will work.
  6. Bthuk
    Bthuk 23 October 2015 17: 57 New
    +3
    Caliber can be naughty from under water?
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 23 October 2015 18: 01 New
      +7
      Quote: BaTHuk
      Caliber can be naughty from under water?

      Can. There is a modification for submarines.
    2. rf xnumx
      rf xnumx 23 October 2015 18: 04 New
      +9
      Quote: BaTHuk
      Caliber can be naughty from under water?
      Of course available !
      1. opus
        opus 23 October 2015 18: 32 New
        +5
        Quote: vc 72019
        Of course available !

        on your photo ICBM Mace R-30




        КР ЗМ-14 "стартует" под другим углом тангажа.
        Как ЗМ-10 "гранат"



    3. opus
      opus 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: BaTHuk
      Caliber can be naughty from under water?

      ракетный комплекс "Калибр-ПЛ(Э)" для вооружения подводных лодок.


      ZM-14 is similar in size to ZM-54
      Твердотопливный двигатель "первой" (разгонной) ступени ракеты обеспечивает ее движение на подводном участке траектории, выход из-под воды и набор высоты.
      possible through TA
      конструкторы ОКБ "Новатор" получили перед своими коллегами из "Дженерал Дайнемикс" почти двухметровую фору.
      Торпедные аппараты советских подводных лодок при том же 533-мм калибре были значительно длиннее американских. Точных данных по внутренней длине трубы "типового" ТА найти не удалось, однако известно также, что габаритная длина ДТА-53, установленного на эсминцах пр. 956 - 8,44 м....
      на экспортные модификации можно не смотреть,они"обрезаны"
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: opus
        ракетный комплекс "Калибр-ПЛ(Э)" для вооружения подводных лодок.

        Here are just the regular ammunition of Varshavyank 18 units of weapons, of which the 2nd RCC Caliber and the 2nd for hitting ground targets. Only two upper torpedo tubes are intended for firing cruise missiles.
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        2. opus
          opus 23 October 2015 21: 15 New
          +3
          [quote=Лт. запаса ВВС]Для стрельбы крылатыми ракетами предназначены только два верхних торпедных аппарата.
          4 × RC "Caliber": anti-ship missiles ZM-54 or ZM-14 instead of a part of torpedoes
          533 mm torpedo tubes (universal) anyway.
          "верхних" или "нижних".
          А у 636 есть "верхние и нижние" ТА?
          Isn't it her torpedo deck?


          Start up of the Kyrgyz Republic from 30-40m.
          Главное ,что есть ЕСУ "Калибр-ПЛ(Э)"

          [quote=Лт. запаса ВВС] Вот только штатный боезапас Варшавянок 18 единиц вооружения, из которых 2-е [/quote]

          With you I do not agree this organization:



          Total ammunition, units (missiles / torpedoes / min) - 4/ 18 / 24.

          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 22: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: opus
            Total ammunition, units (missiles / torpedoes / min) - 4/18/24.

            Missiles and mines instead of part of the torpedoes, 46 weapons can not fit there.

            Quote: opus
            А у 636 есть "верхние и нижние" ТА?
            Isn't it her torpedo deck?
            1. opus
              opus 23 October 2015 23: 10 New
              +1
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              Missiles and mines instead of part of the torpedoes, 46 weapons can not fit there.

              Admiralty shipyards say something else.

              I think they know better, maybe they are building 636.3, and selling

              About the photo.
              I do not see a fundamental difference for the Kyrgyz Republic (upper, lower)
              Ведь дело не в "грузить" (КР в ТК так и так)

              TA is unified.

              OR?
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 24 October 2015 06: 31 New
                +1
                Armament 636:
                - 6 х 533 мм носовых торпедных аппарата (управление ТА - дистанционное с командного пункта, включая перезарядку ТА). Два из шести ТА (верхний ярус аппаратов) рассчитаны на применение телеуправляемых торпед (на примере пр.877В). Перезарядка осуществляется с помощью устройства быстрой перезарядки "Мурена" (система дистанционного автоматизированного управления ТА - СДАУ ТА). Погрузка осуществляется с помощью специального погрузочного устройства.
                Ammunition - 18 torpedoes (6 pcs. In TA, 12 pcs. On shelves) types 53-65KE, TEST-71ME (up to 4 pcs.) Or 24 mines DM-1 (or a combination of torpedoes and mines).

                how in 636.3 (pr.08773, pr.636M / 06361) everything will fit at once (46 units)? no way
                1. opus
                  opus 24 October 2015 11: 01 New
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                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  how in 636.3 (pr.08773, pr.636M / 06361) everything will fit at once (46 units)? no way

                  you need to ask in the admiralty shipyards.
                  It's written
                  The number of torpedo tubes, units / caliber, mm. - 6/533;
                  Total ammunition, units (missiles / torpedoes / min) - 4/18/24.

                  http://admship.ru/?page_id=78

                  not written 4 or 18 or 24 or variations?
                  "суммарный",= итого
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Two of the six SLTs (upper tier of devices) are designed

                  it doesn’t mean that a shot cannot be fired from TA.
                  The loading of the Club-S complex missile into the torpedo tube of an Indian submarine pr.08773


                  Погрузка ракет комплекса Club-S в торпедный аппарат индийской ПЛ "Sindhuvijay" пр.08773

                  Only two upper ones are telecontrolled, their lower ones are impossible.
                  Well, as I understand it (reel with cable)
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 24 October 2015 14: 44 New
                    +2
                    Эти цифры так и следует читать " 4 ракеты и 14 торпед или 18 торпед или 24 мины "- сравните с любой другой ДЭПЛ.
                    1. opus
                      opus 24 October 2015 20: 08 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      и следует читать " 4 ракеты и 14 торпед или 18 торпед или 24 мины

                      Я читаю,так как написал производитель,без "следует".
                      But I will ask them to be so.
                      Quote: Tlauicol
                      Compare with any other DEPL.

                      with what?
                      212A?

                      12 torpedoes of the DM-2A3 Seehecht and DM-2A4 types, to 24 bottom and to 36 anchor mines instead of torpedoes, anti-ship missiles "Triton" (number do not say)
                      Dolphin: Standard ammunition consists of 16 torpedoes and 5 anti-ship missiles “Sab-Harpoon” and mines (qty = ND)

                      ===================================

                      1. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 25 October 2015 06: 44 New
                        0
                        Maybe the KAA Boa constrictor knows about the number of missiles or about the reload speed request
                        Я вот еще подумал : возможность стрельбы ТЭСТ-71МЭ была ограничена двумя верхними ТА ( катушка, кабель ); под "Гранат" заполнение водой контейнера перед пуском, повышение давления в ракете ( не зря опытные подлодки переделали )... -может и с Калибром такие сложности, раз говорят о двух ТА ? Не все так просто, видимо ,есть разница откуда пускать
                2. bugagich
                  bugagich 5 June 2016 21: 06 New
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                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Two of the six SLTs (the upper tier of the vehicles) are designed for the use of remote-controlled torpedoes (for example, pr.877V)


                  поправочка. телеуправляемые это бортовые, т.е. ТА №1 и №2. оппонент вам предоставил фото торпедной палубы варшавянки(только не пр. 636.3). если присмотреться, то видно как отличаются задние крышки ТА центральной группы и бортовых номеров. вот эта "выпуклость" на крышке бортового ТА и говорит нам, что здесь живут телеуправляемые торпеды с катушкой и секатором в этой выпуклости. верхних на этом фото не видно. но они отличаются от нижних центральных наличием в них специального разъема "АЭРВД". ракетами можно стрелять только из них. а вот в 636.3 ТА уже универсальные и они могут стрелять ракетами все. но под телеуправляемые торпеды уже не предназначены
              2. tlauicol
                tlauicol 24 October 2015 06: 38 New
                0
                - Project 08773, Project 636M / 06361 - Club-S missile system with the launch of cruise missiles from an underwater position from the upper tier TA (2 TA). Ammunition - 4 missiles (can be increased) and 14 torpedoes or 24 mines. Increased by reducing the number of torpedoes, of course.
                Вопрос по устройству перезарядки "Мурена" : как быстро она перезаряжает ? или зарубежные аналоги ?
                1. opus
                  opus 24 October 2015 11: 13 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Вопрос по устройству перезарядки "Мурена" : как быстро она перезаряжает ? или зарубежные аналоги ?

                  who will tell something?
                  -------------------------------------------
                  On the new American nuclear submarine of the Seawolf type, the ammunition is stored on special fixed or rotary racks, equipped with a device for mechanized reloading torpedo tubes.

                  Ammunition loading on submarines is usually done through a special torpedo loading hatch in the torpedo compartment.

  7. roskot
    roskot 23 October 2015 18: 01 New
    +2
    May our friends rejoice and the enemies tremble. The fleet is getting stronger.
    1. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 23 October 2015 20: 05 New
      +5
      roskot SU Today, 18:01
      May our friends rejoice and the enemies tremble. The fleet is getting stronger.

      Вот и ещё одному суперпупергенералкапитану, видимо, больше сказать и нечего... "Звезды" не позволяют... laughing laughing laughing
      The brevity and speed of typing the message provide a "rating" laughing laughing laughing
  8. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 23 October 2015 18: 04 New
    +4
    На ЧФ планируется 6шт.ПЛ и 6шт.МРК. Думаю у ПЛ найдутся задачи поважнее чем ракетами пулять, с этим и МРК справятся, тем более ничего другого они делать и не "умеют". Шесть ПЛ это конечно капля в море, турки могут выставить четырнадцать "однокласников". На ЧФ нужна как минимум ещё одна бригада ПЛ, да и места теперь хватает. Даже так - места теперь столько, что для его обороны срочно нужна ещё одна бригада ПЛ.
  9. starshina pv
    starshina pv 23 October 2015 18: 10 New
    -9
    I got a stink from the Marshals and Generals, what good guys we are !!!! and where is the second launch ??? or just identified ????
    1. opus
      opus 23 October 2015 18: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: starshina pv
      and where is the second launch ??? or just identified ????

      expensive.
      The cost of one launch of the Tomahawk Kyrgyz Republic in March 2011 was about $ 1,5 million / piece.
      It’s obviously more expensive (less production, technological base, imported components, no junk on delay, etc.)

      Дайте цели "подобающие".



      Dushman with Kalashnikov?

      Cheaper (up to $ 20 / norm hour)
    2. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 23 October 2015 20: 12 New
      +2
      starshina pv (2) SU Today, 18:10
      I got a stink from the Marshals and Generals, what good guys we are !!!! and where is the second launch ??? or just identified ????

      Старшина погранвойск, не переживай за "минусы"! Это - "пена", "накипь"... У них кто первый запостил - тот в "шоколаде" laughing
      Когда будет необходимость - "будет тебе белка, будет и свисток"!
      "Всё хорошо в меру!" - сказал Джавахарлал Неру... bully
  10. kote119
    kote119 23 October 2015 18: 13 New
    +2
    don’t have to make a panacea from calibers, they shot and fired, a rocket is like a rocket, they were written on sheets and not in diapers from the khibiny, now the caliber ..... minus urakalki.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 23 October 2015 19: 39 New
      +4
      minus urakalki.

      Why is this high .. falling ???
      Opinion so the opinion is not to breed the same market ??
      1. kote119
        kote119 23 October 2015 19: 51 New
        -3
        I'm not from evil, from the heart
        1. nemec55
          nemec55 23 October 2015 20: 09 New
          +4
          I think every literate person understands that the caliber is not a flag over the Reichstag. And we have a lot of cool chips in the army.
  11. pia
    pia 23 October 2015 18: 24 New
    0
    А у Шойгу еще ДР в мае будет. А можно и просто так проверить "кто выше на стенку писает".
    Just why were there 26 launches? The GDP is still 63 years old.
  12. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: GSH-18
    There will be an opportunity, if anything, to enter into some kind of reptiles from the Black Sea basin.

    By whom, can I find out?

    Quote: Simon
    It’s better for the West to propose checking the NK Caliber for American bases located in Europe, or the fact that there are too many of them divorced. Then they will know for sure whether the gauge flew or not. And let it scratch your head after that. recourse laughing


    Is it okay if in response they decide to check our bases in the Crimea, in Abkhazia, South Ossetia? Tomahawks ??? Maybe before you grind with your tongue, you need to turn on the brain and calculate what we get in response ???? Damn ... STRATEGIES .... Such a weapon, especially to such a one should not be allowed on a cannon shot ....

    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    While three are accepted, the fourth passes sea trials. I think it’s enough for the eyes ... And there in 2016 two more will arrive.

    Three? As far as I remember, only ONE, the rest pass certain tests

    Quote: Wiruz
    Yeah And initially they promised before January 1, 2016. One thing is good that we are building submarines a bit more intensively than surface ships request

    Yes, Alexei, they promised. And this does not mean at all that the dates will not be shifted to the right for one reason or another. I would not want to, but HZ, how and what happens

    Quote: chunga-changa
    At the Black Sea Fleet, 6 pieces are planned. PL and 6 pieces. MRK. I think the submarines will have more important tasks than to shoot missiles, and the RTOs will cope with this ...


    As far as I remember, it was planned at the Black Sea Fleet 6 boats и 6 frigates. Number of RTOs - 2 minimum, the rest are either not mortgaged, or will have to be at the KVF.

    In addition, now you can talk with a 100% guarantee only about THREE frigates, when the rest will be commissioned - and there, as you know the problems with Ukrainian engines - is unknown. So in any case, equipping the Black Sea Fleet with new ships moves to the right
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 19: 09 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      As far as I remember, 6 boats and 6 frigates were planned at the Black Sea Fleet.

      + 7th Alrosa. Which will have to be repaired and modernized.
    2. Kuzyakin15
      Kuzyakin15 23 October 2015 20: 30 New
      +2
      Old 26:
      100% ++. We got ,, urrrrrya-patriots- we’ll put everyone ,, (please do not confuse with real-minded patriots, of whom the majority are in.
      Just to yell urrrr, but why the fuck ..... n knows.
  13. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
    +1
    Таким образом, вся Европа окажется "под колпаком"
  14. maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 18: 32 New
    -3
    Want Want want!!! I want the words! We are closer to the Far East! Just a quiet fly ... Lionfish would be for us ... A few pieces ... Well, at least 500 ... winked
    1. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 23 October 2015 20: 15 New
      0
      Wait, do not flicker ... For two hares .... You know ... smile
  15. maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 18: 35 New
    +1
    And to us, in the Far East? Only the Silent fly over ... We would be a bit, about 500 pieces ... repeat
    1. kote119
      kote119 23 October 2015 18: 47 New
      0
      will you be on the Far East?
      1. maikl50jrij
        maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 18: 56 New
        0
        Да масенький такой островок... На рыбку похож. "Область на островах" называется... repeat
        1. kote119
          kote119 23 October 2015 19: 06 New
          0
          Sakhalin, or what?
  16. Garris199
    Garris199 23 October 2015 18: 37 New
    +1
    Боезапаса в 4 калибра маловато будет. На тех же "буян-м" при меньшем водоизмещении в два раза больше ракет. Или же есть возможность на подлодке зарядить калибры вместо всех торпед?
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2015 18: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Garris199
      Or is it possible to load calibers on a submarine instead of all torpedoes?

      Yes, if the commanders of boats and above do not stomp. You can take the entire ammunition of cruise missiles and shoot them through 2 devices.
      1. kote119
        kote119 23 October 2015 19: 00 New
        +1
        and on duty where to put it (even though they are in that one), instead of full bk, not a single KPL will take winked
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: kote119
          and where to put on duty (even though they are in that one),

          6 pieces in apparatuses and 12 in racks. What is wrong? How racks will be freed from non-firing devices to racks and from them to firing. You can take a couple more pieces of superfluous stocks: 1 on the deck and 1 on the suspension. It’s already not even 18 units of ammunition, but all 20. Well, if there is a hold in the torpedo nose, then it’s not a sin to put it there. As well as at least 1 weapon under the deck compartment. This is now our warriors do not know anything and have a virgin brain not burdened with knowledge of history. And with their knowledge, you can b / c increase from 18 to 21 weapons at least. And as to cram into the hold - so there on the spot the crews must watch their own boats themselves about what fits there or not. And about the under-deck storage: there is narrow in the compartment, but you can cut a rectangle in the deck flooring and under it make a box for 1 unit of weapon. And after laying it on top, lay the deck flooring. And on that floor from above another 1 torpedo or rocket.
          And American boats also have 2 supernumerary weapons. In the US, this is practiced during wars.

          Quote: kote119
          the place of full BC, not one KPL will take

          Так таких командиров в шею гнать нужно. У американцев также упирались. Тоже не хотели. После того как несколько командиров сняли с должностей их лодки принимали полные боекомплекты "Томагавков" и успешно их отстреливали. А то с не нормальными кмандирами проблемы всегда были и у всех. Вот допустим будет приказ обстрелять лодкой внезапно цели ИГИЛа. А командир лодки откажется принимать полный б/к ракет. В результате часть целей останется не поражённой лодкой. Пойдёт дополнительная нагрузка на другие средства поражения. И всё из-за того, что никто не примет. Вот по тому я и говорю, что если адмиралов на берегу и командиров лодок дрючить, то тогда будет всё в порядке.
          1. kote119
            kote119 23 October 2015 19: 23 New
            0
            if it’s not a secret on which project did you serve and in which year?
            1. Denis_469
              Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 25 New
              0
              Quote: kote119
              if it’s not a secret on which project did you serve and in which year?

              He didn’t serve on any. I’m just doing the history of submarines and I know who had what boats and what they had in real wars.
          2. kote119
            kote119 23 October 2015 19: 59 New
            0
            BC pl commander does not determine
  17. kote119
    kote119 23 October 2015 18: 45 New
    -2
    think for yourself comrade patriots, on the Black Sea theater of operations there are 1000 large targets that cannot be hit with one caliber, and on the 4 of them they will take a maximum of (6x4) in a normal scenario - this is zero, a beam of PCRs or torpedoes.
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2015 18: 54 New
      0
      Quote: kote119
      and on pl 4 of them will take a maximum (6x4) in a normal scenario

      This is not in a normal situation. Under normal conditions when setting a task to destroy ground targets, boats will take 18 pieces of cruise missiles each. It’s just that the admirals on the shore and the boat commanders need to be blown so that they know that if they shoot 2 devices, this does not mean that only 4 can be loaded.
      1. kote119
        kote119 23 October 2015 19: 10 New
        0
        I am in the subject, but the main task must be fulfilled, and self-defense is needed, I agree with you completely aboard and mine loading can be accepted
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: kote119
          I am in the subject, but the main task must be fulfilled, and self-defense is needed, I agree with you completely aboard and mine loading can be accepted

          When the main task is shelling ground targets, say ISIS in Syria, then there is no state of war with someone at sea. Therefore, self-defense is not needed. It takes a full b / c cruise missiles and is pulled to full use.
          1. Garris199
            Garris199 23 October 2015 19: 22 New
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            Quote: Denis_469
            When the main objective is firing at ground targets,

            Well, actually pralno. It all depends on the task. The main thing is that there is a fundamental opportunity to vary the ammunition. 18 calibers is already something.
          2. kote119
            kote119 23 October 2015 19: 37 New
            -1
            learn the story of a warrior on the seas
  18. Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 19: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: vsoltan
    siegen
    But in this matter, nothing needs to be agreed with the Turks ... don’t worry ... small-tonnage ships with straits and canals (Varshavyanka 3000 tons pass by itself, Buyan less than 1000 tons ... like some kind of fisherman will touch4) they’ll hold a thread like that ... I recall an old joke about the Soviet missile harvester ...

    Well connoisseur, damn it ... And why are you here, in. but not at the General Staff ... I do not like the phrase "УЧИТЕ МАТЧАСТЬ"but she is for people like you.

    ANY EXIT через проливы согласуются с турками, "Буян" может прикинуться рыбаком только в вашем мозгу. Понимаю, пятница (тяпница)приняли выше положенного на грудь и понесло....
    WARSAW will pass through the straits only IN POPULATION.
    If you want to shoot ISIS from the Black Sea, you will have to coordinate with the Turks, otherwise all missiles will be shot down

    Quote: Garris199
    Боезапаса в 4 калибра маловато будет. На тех же "буян-м" при меньшем водоизмещении в два раза больше ракет. Или же есть возможность на подлодке зарядить калибры вместо всех торпед?


    The ability to download? Why not. Shoot - no. Only 4 missiles from the upper TA.

    Quote: Denis_469
    Yes, if the commanders of boats and above do not stomp. You can take the entire ammunition of cruise missiles and shoot them through 2 devices.

    And will you manually overload the lower racks to the upper racks ???

    Quote: Denis_469
    Quote: kote119
    and on pl 4 of them will take a maximum (6x4) in a normal scenario

    This is not in a normal situation. Under normal conditions when setting a task to destroy ground targets, boats will take 18 pieces of cruise missiles each. It’s just that the admirals on the shore and the boat commanders need to be blown so that they know that if they shoot 2 devices, this does not mean that only 4 can be loaded.


    Are you ready to manually overload from the lower racks to the upper 2,5 ton rockets in the compartment ??? Or will sailors do this work for you ??? PANCAKE LEARN MATCH
    1. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      And will you manually overload the lower racks to the upper racks ???

      In previous wars, they were manually overloaded. And now they’ll do it.

      Quote: Old26
      Are you ready to manually overload from the lower racks to the upper 2,5 ton rockets in the compartment ???

      So this is the standard procedure on all fleets of the times 1 and 2 of the world wars. Americans sometimes manually carried torpedoes from the stern racks to the bow. Through the whole boat and through all the hatches. I remind you that there was no UBZ either in the 1st and 2nd world wars. Everything was done there manually. And the 533 mm torpedoes also weighed about 2 tons each.

      Quote: Old26
      Or will sailors do this work for you ???

      So yes - the sailors will do. The officers on the boat are for command, not to overload or reload torpedoes and missiles.

      Quote: Old26
      Pancake LEARN MATCH

      So learn the materiel. I understand that history is evil and now the crews of boats do not know how to work with the weapons of their boats. But it needs to be fixed.
      1. mvg
        mvg 23 October 2015 19: 52 New
        0
        Какой бред... Еще пару ракет на камбуз можно запихать, и в спортзале... Что херню то писать? Никто не возьмет сверхштата НИЧЕГО. Итого 4х6=24 ракеты.. Не хватит даже на одну АУГ. В лучшем случае попугаем турок, если будут в противокорабельном варианте. 636.6 проект - это противолодочная оборона, минные заграждения, никак не ударный вариант. Атомоходы на ЧФ тоже не вариант, так как зона, свободная от атома. Да и слишком дорого "пулять" Калибрам'и по экскаваторам и госпиталям. Было бы их у нас 3-4 тысячи, из них 2-3 на предельном сроке годности...
        Тот же Су-34 (даже при 20000$/час способен отнести 8 т (как БЧ у 20 калибров) на ту же дистанцию, при этом не в пример гибче задание. А Ту'шка вообще вывалит 40 т старых свободнопадающих бомб на голову бородатым и не очень.. при чем с высоты в 20 км, даже не поймут откуда..
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          No one will take the supernumerary of ANYTHING.

          Я это уже читал. И перед 1 мировой войной и перед 2 мировой войной. Те, кто так думали обычно больше 2-3 боевых (именно боевых на реальной войне) походов не выживали. И потому во время войн каждый командир изголялся как угодно чтобы увеличить свой боекомплект. Как раз сверхштата, так как торпед на войне много не бывает. Их не хватает всегда. И у нас также будет в новой войне. И во время ВОВ, некоторые командиры лодок типа "Щ" брали в кормовой торпедный отсек пару торпеды "45-36". Так как 533-мм по длине не влазили, а 450-мм помещались. По проекту для кормовых аппаратов "Щ" запасных торпед не было, но им очень сильно хотелось жить...

          Так что ещё раз повторюсь - те, кто "ничего сверхштата" - те могут заранее заказать поминки по себе. Скорее всего они погибнут очень быстро.
          1. mvg
            mvg 23 October 2015 20: 59 New
            +1
            Да лодка не "отстреливается" от МО и эсминцев торпедами... Это тоже пред! Главное оружие лодки - скрытность. Ушла на дно, смылась, потерялась - выжила. Иначе - каюк. Если она вступит в дуэль с эсминцем - будет БЕДА. Некоторые варианты во II мировой, это исключение из правил.. Когда 88 мм орудие (единственное) вступало в надводном положение в артиллерийский бой. Лодка нужна, как парализатор грузового судоходства. От торпеды - адекватной защиты не существует. По крайней мере так учили. Но атаковать военные корабли в ордере, равносильно самоубийству. Варшавянки на ЧФ - чтоб "связать" 3-4 НАТОвских эсминцев, и 15-20 фрегатов.. Это не ударное оружие, повторю еще раз. Если бы были такие "плавучие батареи" как "Флорида" или конверсионные "Огайо" с 156-ю топорами, тогда вариант. А так - "позлить" янычаров..
            1. Denis_469
              Denis_469 23 October 2015 21: 14 New
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              Quote: mvg
              The main weapon of the boat is stealth.

              There is stealth before the first attack or until the first radiogram or until the first detection. Further in the place it is very likely to calculate where the boat is going, how it will go and when it will arrive. And when she begins to attack, then there is no stealth anymore. All boat actions are easy to see.

              Quote: mvg
              If she enters into a duel with a destroyer, there will be TROUBLE.

              Yes - sorry for you, the participants in the wars (that 1, that 2) did not hear. There was once a case when 1 boat was hunting Japanese destroyers. And struck 4 or 5 pieces (right now I won’t say I need to search). So - the Japanese command decided that a group of submarines was operating there and that the fleet operation should be postponed. In general, boat attacks on destroyers are an everyday routine during wars.

              Quote: mvg
              Да лодка не "отстреливается" от МО и эсминцев торпедами...

              In dangerous cases, it fires back, firing a torpedo or torpedoes in its direction. During World War II, in the submarine fleets of Germany and the USA (where there were homing torpedoes), there was a clear order to launch homing torpedoes at the approaching enemy destroyers. That is, if an anti-submarine ship goes in your direction, then the boat first launches a torpedo along it and only then goes into the depths and begins to evade.

              Quote: mvg
              But attacking warships in a warrant is tantamount to suicide.

              And can you find out how many boats in real wars so suicidal? And then somehow it turns out that submarine attacks on aircraft carrier groups and squadrons of warships are almost a routine.
              1. mvg
                mvg 23 October 2015 23: 54 New
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                The Black Sea is generally a puddle for submarines. But to find submarines traveling at 4-5 nodes, and at 300 m depth, and even hydroelectric power stations in submarines, as a rule, are more interesting than in NK, with a margin .. It may get lost. However, there are not many anti-submarine weapons to hit submarines at such a depth .. (not all torpedoes or missile torpedoes dive like that).
                So she attacked from 30 m depth and left until the Orions arrived and the frigates sailed .. There is time to be buried.
                Regarding artduels in the Second World War. Yes, I read a couple of cases, ended with the heroic death of the submarines (unless, of course, she shot the unarmed vehicles, saving torpedoes). Homing torpedoes were in the United States, the Germans do not know .. Almost appeared at dzhapanov. Torpedoes were fired not to parasite (it was too little chance to get into a combat-ready and maneuvering ship), but to distract, to gain time.
                This is how much you need to shoot to hit 4-5 destroyers ??? :-) For a boat, 1-2 hits are fatal, for destroyers - no. The Japanese are not fools at all. Smart, cunning and experienced. On an equal footing they fought with the strongest fleet of the planet (plus kangaroos and shaving, and Canadians). I read that a damaged boat (could not dive) entered the battle with 3-4 destroyers .. then surrendered .. but heroically (they flooded themselves), but this is an exception. Samurai are heroes, but not!
                The attack of destroyers imprisoned on PLO is roughly like a hornet’s nest with a stick .. Beautiful, but unreasonable .. and very fast. Especially in the Second World War, when the submarines were already considered a real force and prepared for attacks.
                And, it seems to me that it’s much more realistic to take a superstate a couple of batteries ... than a couple of torpedoes. Especially fodder .. More sense if you lie at the bottom for a week ..
                1. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 24 October 2015 03: 55 New
                  +2
                  Quote: mvg
                  But to find submarines going at 4-5 knots, and at 300 m depth
                  Nobody goes to the ultimate depth! Failing to take the ballast is possible, but consciously ... on the verge of a foul ... Dismiss!
                  Quote: mvg
                  it’s much more realistic to take a superstate a couple of batteries ... than a couple of torpedoes.
                  Вы даже не представляете о чем говорите! Это не фонарик, куда можно прилепить еще "пару батареек", или телега, куда можно кинуть пару мешков картошки! В море все должно находиться на штатных местах и быть раскреплено по-походному. Море шуток не любит, бывают волны выше сельсовета, электолит порой проливается даже из штатныз АБ, плохо раскрепленные торпеды елозят по ложементам... А вы взять нештатные...Сверх нормы можно распихать провизию по всем щелям...
                2. Denis_469
                  Denis_469 24 October 2015 09: 44 New
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                  Quote: mvg
                  I read that a damaged boat (could not dive) entered the battle with 3-4 destroyers .. then surrendered .. but heroically (they flooded themselves), but this is an exception.

                  These were not 3-4 destroyers, but only 1. It was a matter of fog, because the Japanese shot at flashes.
              2. mvg
                mvg 24 October 2015 00: 02 New
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                http://las-arms.ru/index.php?id=159 по поводу акустических торпед у немцев.
              3. Aljavad
                Aljavad 24 October 2015 17: 47 New
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                There was once a case when 1 boat was hunting Japanese destroyers.


                Hunting and duel are two big differences.

                Submarines on the occasion drowned and more serial military units than EM. But precisely - on occasion, from an ambush.
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 24 October 2015 03: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: mvg
              Да лодка не "отстреливается" от МО и эсминцев торпедами... Это тоже пред! Главное оружие лодки - скрытность.
              И снова -- здравствуйте! Да, главное тактическое качество ПЛ -- это скрытность. Но когда тебя обнаружили, тогда в дело идет все, что есть на борту. Кто знаком с ТР ПЛ, тот помнит тактический прием "Прорыв строя ПЛК с атакой одного из кораблей ТО".
              Quote: mvg
              From a torpedo - adequate protection does not exist.

              It did not exist, it will be more accurate. Then the Package appeared, GPA means, now they put anti-torpedoes for boats ...
              Quote: mvg
              или конверсионные "Огайо" с 156-ю топорами,

              У вас определенно плохо с арифметикой! не 156, а 154 КР Томахок. "Каждый из 4 ПЛАРК вооружён 154 cruise missiles «Томагавк», 22 из 24 ракетных шахт были модернизированы под вертикальный пуск КР. В каждой модернизированной шахте размещено по 7 ракет. Две ближайших к рубке шахты оснащены шлюзовыми камерами. К ним стыкуются мини-подлодки ASDS." (http://3mv.ru)
        2. ilya_oz
          ilya_oz 23 October 2015 20: 43 New
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          If the enemy has at least some serious air defense, it would be better if the sailors tormented while carrying missiles on the boat than to expose the aircraft under attack. And I did not see the planes carrying full ammunition in Syria, although the FABs could have been spared.
        3. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 24 October 2015 02: 38 New
          +1
          Quote: mvg
          What nonsense.
          I completely agree with your self-criticism! Now in order.
          Quote: mvg
          Total 4x6 = 24 missiles ... Not even enough for one AUG.
          Where does the digit come from? Well, understandably 6x3 = 18. Where did the extra seats in the 1st compartment on the 1st deck come from? Even if there are 6 in the pipes, then there are only 12 seats on the shelves. Or do you have a rubber compartment? And then, maybe they heard something about deja .TA? A submarine duel, and a break from the PLC? - No? Well, then - LEARN MAT PART!
          About AUG. There is a main goal - AVU. Here it will be discharged. First, anti-ship missiles, then torpedoes, with a breakthrough of protection. What did you think? In war, as in war! The task must be completed. And at what cost - it depends on equipment, luck, crew training, hydrology, readiness of submarine forces and many other components ...
          Quote: mvg
          636.6 project - This is anti-submarine defense, minefields, not a shock option.
          Yes you are a seer! Already TTX of the 6th modification you know! But let's talk about the 3rd! (pr.636.3!) Why do you deprive submarines of shock capabilities? What should I do if OBK, or DesO, or KOH, is hiding through your position at the worst end of the military TR?
          Aviation your pearls leave aviators! Believe me, there is also something there ... uh ... work!
    2. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 24 New
      +1
      А чтобы было понятным скажу так: что американские (некоторые) и германские лодки имели также торпедный запас ещё в межкорпусном пространстве. Это том, которое между лёгким и прочным корпусами. И типовая загрузка лодок IX серии предполагала из себя 10-14 торпед в межкорпусном пространстве и 12 - 18 торпед внутри корпуса. Из них несколько торпед на палубах торпедного отсека и под палубой торпедного отсека. Так на германской IXC в трюме носового торпедного отсека было место для 4 (иногда) 6 торпед. И со всем этим экипажи обращались вручную. УБЗ к тому времени были только на английских лодках типов "O" и "P", от которых сами англичане отказались во время войны. Чтобы вместо УБЗ увеличивать запас торпед на лодках новых проектов.
      1. kote119
        kote119 23 October 2015 19: 36 New
        -1
        you are too keen on history
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2015 19: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: kote119
          you are too keen on history

          Those who do not know history and are not keen on it die in the war first.
          1. kote119
            kote119 23 October 2015 20: 02 New
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            I completely agree with you on this
      2. kote119
        kote119 23 October 2015 20: 01 New
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        go down from heaven to the torpedo compartment pl and then write
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 21 New
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          In the 90s he visited almost all projects of boats of the SF. And in the torpedo compartments as well. Because I saw from that and proceed.
          1. kote119
            kote119 23 October 2015 20: 28 New
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            and saw places for emergency torpedoes?
            1. Denis_469
              Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 41 New
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              Quote: kote119
              and saw places for emergency torpedoes?

              Saw. And I saw a free place on the deck. And I saw a torpedo on the suspension. And the place under the torpedo deck also saw. Where can I weld a box for an extra torpedo.
              1. kote119
                kote119 23 October 2015 20: 45 New
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                on which project?
                1. Denis_469
                  Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 52 New
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                  Если я правильно помню, то был на 641Б (номер лодки не помню), на 971 (вроде Волк), 667 (носитель (Оренбург 1-й)), 667 АТ (последняя ходовая, у которой румпель лопнул), 877 (номер не помню), 641 (которую притащили на завод для разделки), 667 БДРМ (Карелия вроде, но могу ошибиться), 941 (номер уже забыл, может ТК-20). По нашим вроде все. Был также на французской типа "Рубис" приходившей в Североморск. На английскую типа "Оберон" попасть было не судьба.
                2. SSeT
                  SSeT 23 October 2015 21: 07 New
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                  Climb up to begin with at least at pr. 877, which is more than one and a half times 636. There’s nothing to fart, no turn around, for an hour of excursion, I’ve broken my clothes in 3 places, there’s a super-tight layout, it’s corny VERY closely
                  I will add, your historical facts are very interesting, BUT! they have a very distant relationship to modernity
                  1. Denis_469
                    Denis_469 23 October 2015 21: 17 New
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                    Quote: SSeT
                    there it is corny VERY closely

                    Nevertheless, on the torpedo deck of the torpedo compartment there is space for 1 torpedo and another 1 torpedo hanging on the suspension.
                    1. kote119
                      kote119 23 October 2015 21: 39 New
                      -1
                      calm down, there’s nothing for you there, you haven’t been to a single square, you are a theoretician, and class O is the Oberon only in England, it’s on a pedestal, don’t write any crap.
                      1. Denis_469
                        Denis_469 23 October 2015 22: 11 New
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                        I better know where I was and where I was not. And Oberon came to Severomorsk. So do not write crap. I understand that I want to show off my ignorance - well, so shine ... I read and laugh. Based on the fact that I am a theorist, then you are just a schoolboy.
                      2. Aljavad
                        Aljavad 24 October 2015 17: 58 New
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                        In total, from 1957 to 1978, 29 submarines of this type were built. Most of them were sold to other countries or built according to their orders, submarines of the Oberon type were, in addition to the UK Navy, armed with the Navy of Australia, Canada, Brazil, Chile and Egypt. In the UK, submarines of this type were withdrawn from service in the late 1980s and early 1990s;
                  2. SSeT
                    SSeT 23 October 2015 22: 34 New
                    -1
                    Well, formally there is. only have to crawl there. I am not tall, but in the hoists the pendant head was attached in the 1st compartment. So just creep!
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 24 October 2015 03: 23 New
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            Quote: kote119
            and saw places for emergency torpedoes?

            And you were on the boat, in the torpedo compartment, and did not see the racks (places) for storing torpedoes ... Well, then flip through at least what is posted on this site (19:11 - enlarge picture 636 in section). Or at least this:
            "Выросла и боевая мощь 636-й, подводная лодка вооружена шестью носовыми 533-мм дистанционно-управляемыми торпедными аппаратами с боезапасом на 18 торпед (шесть в аппаратах и 12 на стеллажах) различного назначения, вместо торпед ПЛ может принимать до 24 мин. Два бортовых аппарата используются для стрельбы телеуправляемыми торпедами.( http://www.sluzhuotechestvu.info)
            1. kote119
              kote119 24 October 2015 16: 27 New
              +1
              I meant the opus of my vis-à-vis about additional places, some places on the deck, holds, tsitsternah, and you pulled my words out of context, I spent a lot of time on the torpedo
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 23 October 2015 19: 15 New
    +4
    on the Black Sea theater of operations 1000 large targets,


    На черноморском ТВД возможны лишь локальные непонятки. Ибо во всех остальных случаях, - глобальная война. Скорее всего ядерная. От того любой из "калибров", возможность нести ядерные заряды. То есть, вопрос рассредоточения точек пуска, а не наращивание военной силы, которая не кусок золота, требует постоянных расходов. Например, несколько тактических ядерных ударов по Румынии, напрочь выводит её из участие в войне. Именно поэтому идет в первую очередь качественное перевооружение, а не количественное. Россия обороняется, а не несет идеи "демократии" ракетами по миру. Война обычными вооружениями, просто разорит страну, именно поэтому изменилась доктрина, когда на агрессию, страна оставляет за собой право применить ядерное оружие.
    1. kote119
      kote119 23 October 2015 20: 03 New
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      so almost any cr can carry sbch
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 23 October 2015 19: 28 New
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    Эй, гйеропа, развратная, вонючая может попробуем на военной американской базе в ФРГ, ведь там атомное оружие, может его уберем оттуда сразу, а то матрасники застоялись там. Да и вы убедитесь в точности и качестве наших"Калибров" И стрельбы будут произведены из Черного моря.
  • vsoltan
    vsoltan 23 October 2015 19: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: Old26
    Quote: vsoltan
    siegen
    But in this matter, nothing needs to be agreed with the Turks ... don’t worry ... small-tonnage ships with straits and canals (Varshavyanka 3000 tons pass by itself, Buyan less than 1000 tons ... like some kind of fisherman will touch4) they’ll hold a thread like that ... I recall an old joke about the Soviet missile harvester ...
    Ну знаток, блин... И чего вы тут, на ВО. а не в Генштабе... Не люблю фразу "УЧИТЕ МАТЧАСТЬ", но она для таких, как вы.

    ЛЮБОЙ ВЫХОД через проливы согласуются с турками, "Буян" может прикинуться рыбаком только в вашем мозгу. Понимаю, пятница (тяпница)приняли выше положенного на грудь и понесло....
    WARSAWAN will pass through the straits only in the POSITION.

    Замечательно… когда стану начальником Генштаба, приглашу Вас первым замом…. Босфор… глубина фарватера 36-124 метра… Дарданеллы… средняя глубина фарватера 55 м… .или до сих пор цепями перегораживают… продолжаю учить матчасть…ну и к Вашему, компетентному сведению, в 2010 г НИС ."Рифт", водоизмещением 1380, благополучно провели через Волга-Дон… у меня там конкретно и отец и сын младший были…. "Буянам", считаете не хватит? Так что продолжаю учить матчасть…. И географию, заодно… :) , чего и Вам советую…
  • xin-l
    xin-l 23 October 2015 19: 39 New
    +1
    Well, these boats have already been built at the Admiralty Shipyards; they are now undergoing tests. And then only anaerobic ones will be built, project 636 will most likely be closed and delivered if only for export.
  • gg.na
    gg.na 23 October 2015 19: 59 New
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    Yes, what are the problems ??! You can repeat the launch of missiles wink and meticulously count! wassat Well, I think this is a normal option! good
  • pvv113
    pvv113 23 October 2015 20: 11 New
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    до конца 2017 года Черноморский флот получит все заказанные министерством обороны субмарины проекта 636.3 "Варшавянка", оснащённые ракетами «Калибр»

    У меня почему-то название "Варшавянка" всегда ассоциировалось с победой над всеми супостатами
  • DHA
    DHA 23 October 2015 20: 16 New
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    Посмотрите в "ВИКИ" варшавянок в китае больше чем у нас !?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 23 October 2015 20: 42 New
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      Well, yes, in the nineties, all shipyards had to be converted into frying factories due to uselessness laughing
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 23 October 2015 20: 20 New
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    I would like a rather anaerobic engine for our non-atomic pl.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 20: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: vsoltan
    Замечательно… когда стану начальником Генштаба, приглашу Вас первым замом…. Босфор… глубина фарватера 36-124 метра… Дарданеллы… средняя глубина фарватера 55 м… .или до сих пор цепями перегораживают… продолжаю учить матчасть…ну и к Вашему, компетентному сведению, в 2010 г НИС ."Рифт", водоизмещением 1380, благополучно провели через Волга-Дон… у меня там конкретно и отец и сын младший были…. "Буянам", считаете не хватит? Так что продолжаю учить матчасть…. И географию, заодно… :) , чего и Вам советую

    And where does the Volga-Don? the conversation was about firing CALIBERS from submarines from the Black Sea or their exit to the Mediterranean? And here is transportation along the internal routes and WARSHIANCES? Or nothing to write? The fact that BUYANE cross the internal paths is not denied. Otherwise, how would they end up on the same Black Sea ??

    И что касается Проливов? Вы с чем не согласны? С тем, что лодка должна идти в надводном положении? Так это закон. И не просто в надводном, а еще в добавок и в светлое время суток. Если не успела пройти оба пролива - отстаивается в Мраморном море. А вы тут же начали "сваливать", вспомнили прохождения по внутренним путям судна, цепи в проливах. Все же если пишите, действительно выучите матчасть (прочитайте ту же конвенцию о проливах, о времени прохождения в Черное и из черного и о всех иных запретах...)
    1. vsoltan
      vsoltan 23 October 2015 21: 14 New
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      Спасибо, указали на возможные пробелы… почитаю, если найду что возразить, отвечу… в основном, я имел в виду провождение кораблей…. И еще интимный вопрос - Вы флотский? И , с целью дальнейшего "незасорения акватории", отпишите мне в ликчу, благоугодно… :) заранее благодарен, если чему нибудь научите…. Или просто поговорим… :)
  • Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 23 October 2015 20: 26 New
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    Прекрасно, что слова об "asymmetric responses" не остаются словами.

    Why monstrous AUG, when there are small Buyan and Varshavyanka.

    Зачем "gold" ПРО, когда есть Искандеры и те же Калибры.
  • VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 23 October 2015 20: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Denis_469
    So this is the standard procedure on all fleets of the times 1 and 2 of the world wars. Americans sometimes manually carried torpedoes from the stern racks to the bow. Through the whole boat and through all the hatches.

    I beg you, they made you laugh, but they turned in which compartment
    1. kote119
      kote119 23 October 2015 20: 38 New
      +1
      comrade all in history, and did not see torpedoes, Tuscans through all the hatches ..... wassat
      1. Denis_469
        Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 44 New
        -1
        I understand that history is evil - because the reports of American boats to help you. If you cannot understand my words, then you can probably understand what you yourself will read.
        1. kote119
          kote119 23 October 2015 21: 11 New
          +1
          I read the story, but you are far from the modern fleet, this is a fact, I can’t forbid you to wander off your conclusions
          1. Denis_469
            Denis_469 23 October 2015 21: 19 New
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            Quote: kote119
            but you are far from the modern fleet, it is a fact

            I don’t argue with him. And even very glad that it is far from the modern fleet. Since when I visited boats in the 1990s, I saw this, that after Kursk it finally showed me that there is our fleet. Therefore, I have no illusions that our modern submariners will live long in the war.
            1. kote119
              kote119 23 October 2015 21: 41 New
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              and what did Kursk show you?
              1. Denis_469
                Denis_469 23 October 2015 22: 12 New
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                He showed me that since then I don’t communicate personally with warriors. What I promised then to the emergency staff not to talk until the time I’m fulfilling. But after that he started.
                1. Aljavad
                  Aljavad 24 October 2015 18: 08 New
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                  promised then the rescue staff not to chat


                  "Не болтать" следует тщательнее! angry
    2. Denis_469
      Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 43 New
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      Quote: VALERIK_097
      I beg you, they made you laugh, but they turned in which compartment

      Unfolded in the bow torpedo. If it’s totally ridiculous, you can read it yourself in the reports of American submarines. The torpedo unfolds like this: the warhead is removed (so as not to accidentally hammer), after which the torpedo was placed diagonally and deployed. Then the warhead was lowered onto the shelves;
      1. VALERIK_097
        VALERIK_097 23 October 2015 20: 48 New
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        And fodder TA is not destined to shoot?
        1. Denis_469
          Denis_469 23 October 2015 20: 55 New
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          Quote: VALERIK_097
          And fodder TA is not destined to shoot?

          Not all boat commanders are able and able to shoot stern. The Germans and the Americans and the British have commanders who basically did not know how to shoot stern. More precisely, they shot, but almost always missed. Therefore, it was considered more useful (among Americans) to drag torpedoes from the stern into the nose.
    3. Rostovchanin
      Rostovchanin 23 October 2015 20: 53 New
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      wink
      I beg you, they made you laugh, but they turned in which compartment

      Campaign at the central post!
    4. Aljavad
      Aljavad 24 October 2015 18: 06 New
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      Americans sometimes manually carried torpedoes from the stern racks to the bow. Through the whole boat and through all the hatches.


      А-а-а... Помню! Это показывали в "В осаде" с Сигалом-коком, кажется.. Исчё пираты тягали пушки с борта на борт... belay
  • VALERIK_097
    VALERIK_097 23 October 2015 21: 12 New
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    Quote: Denis_469
    Quote: VALERIK_097
    And fodder TA is not destined to shoot?

    Not all boat commanders are able and able to shoot stern. The Germans and the Americans and the British have commanders who basically did not know how to shoot stern. More precisely, they shot, but almost always missed. Therefore, it was considered more useful (among Americans) to drag torpedoes from the stern into the nose.

    Ну в таком случае рекомендую игрушку под названием "Бесшумный охотник" с реализмом в 100%,лет 5 назад баловался))).VII B -проект.
  • propolsky
    propolsky 23 October 2015 21: 14 New
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    Не могу оценить качество и способности это лодки, так как авиатор, но шкурой чувствую, "я то,что надо". Потерпим и оценим,но я чувствую новое дыхание подводных сил России. Дай Бог!
  • leon1204id
    leon1204id 23 October 2015 21: 37 New
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    Дело не в "Калибре".Модернизация проекта 636 предполагала 6шт 636.3 ДЭПЛ и следующие 677 "Лада" должны быть оснащены ВНЭУ.На наших "Ладах" это будет не двиг.Стирлинга.Долго морочили проект "Палтус" но так и не довели до ума.А это должны быть лодки 5го поколения.Эх,да что говорить.Мечта для подводников.А "Калибр" кстати сначала устанавливался просто в контейнерах 12 метровых.Как говорится-"не ждали". Пожелаем удачи проекту 677. smile
  • Nymp
    Nymp 23 October 2015 21: 44 New
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    Чем удачнее будут наши военные операции и учебные, тем больше будут поливать грязью нашу технику. А сами дорогостоящее дeрьмo выпускают! Дозвуковые "тамагавки" легко сбиваемые! Есть с чем сравнить, конечно будут врать,не дай Бог среднестатистический мерикасос поймёт что их ракеты - дeрьмо.
  • the most important
    the most important 23 October 2015 21: 53 New
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    [quote = vorobey] Meanwhile, the West is still trying to announce that not all Caliber NK cruise missiles launched by Russian ships hit the terrorist bases in Syria,

    And why refute it ??? I would be very pleased to confirm that yes ... half of the missiles fly wherever they want! From this confirmation, strokes will be in Qatar and in Saudi Arabia and in Turkey ... And you can always say: ah !!! This rocket accidentally flew into your palace ... I lost course from the heat!
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  • nemo778
    nemo778 23 October 2015 22: 37 New
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    Не знаю! Может Я! И Уря-яяя Патриот! Но!У меня до сих пор, мурашки по коже,от таких возможностей нашего "калибра"!А ведь 1500км-это по прямой!С огибанием рельефа-мин2500км( с бч-450кг)! А ядерная около-100кг,дальше простая физика good А если такой сюрприз из под воды! С"ВАРШОВЯНКИ"! love hi
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 22: 52 New
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      Quote: nemo778
      Не знаю! Может Я! И Уря-яяя Патриот! Но!У меня до сих пор, мурашки по коже,от таких возможностей нашего "калибра"!А ведь 1500км-это по прямой!С огибанием рельефа-мин2500км( с бч-450кг)! А ядерная около-100кг,дальше простая физика А если такой сюрприз из под воды! С"ВАРШОВЯНКИ"!

      Yes, for 30 years, such missiles, how can I be surprised? Called Grenade, S-10, were only in nuclear design, the accuracy is really not the same as that of the Caliber.
      In the USA, the 4th Ohio converted to Tomahawk can simultaneously launch 616 cruise missiles in one salvo, each of 62 Arly Burke in conventional equipment carries 26 Tomahawks, 22 more Ticonderogs. About 50 U.S. submarines can carry 12 Tomahawks each in vertical launchers + additional missiles in torpedo tubes instead of part of the torpedoes.
      Each of the 66 B-1B bombers can carry 24 AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles (range 1000 kilometers)
      Each of the 65 B52 can carry 12 AGM-158 JASSM
      Each of the 19 B2 can carry 16 AGM-158 JASSM

      I understood that if Russia would launch the first hypersonic missiles in the world for militants in Syria, one could be proud then, since the United States has approximately analogs of Caliber for as long as 30 years, they have more carriers, they buy them hundreds in 2013 was signed contract for the supply of 400 Tomahawks by 2015 to the US Navy.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 23 October 2015 23: 17 New
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        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        Each of the 66 B-1B bombers can carry 24 AGM-158 JASSM cruise missiles (range 1000 kilometers)
        Each of the 65 B52 can carry 12 AGM-158 JASSM
        Each of the 19 B2 can carry 16 AGM-158 JASSM


        I would delete airplanes from this list .. because in this area there is parity .. AGM up to a thousand kilometers .. Our planes carry missiles of a series x .., from 2.5 km ..

        As for sea-based missiles .. We open the map and look at the area from where they can strike Russia ... and yet you think that there will be no council for these two positional areas?
        In this case, Russian calibers has a geographical advantage .. and they do not have to be sea-based. So plus and unpaved too.
        In white ... not everything is as sad as it might seem from your text)))
        I would also remove the phrase from you - a volley of 616 missiles .. carries so much .. yes, but a volley .. bust)))
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 23: 52 New
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          Quote: dvina71
          Our aircraft carry missiles of the x .. series, from 2.5k km ..

          The X-55, X-555 missiles are mainly nuclear-only. As for the X-101/102, it is not yet clear that they are still being tested.
          Quote: dvina71
          So plus and unpaved too.

          Dirt should have a maximum 500 km limit. If we break the agreement tomorrow, the Pershing and ground Tomahawks will appear again in Europe, the United States will easily be able to afford it, and Russia will not, even if we find the money, now the design bureaus are busy updating the Strategic Missile Forces.
          Quote: dvina71
          I would also remove the phrase from you - a volley of 616 missiles .. carries so much .. yes, but a volley .. bust)))

          In 15 minutes, somewhere in Ohio can launch all 154 missiles.

          Quote: dvina71
          do you think that there will be no council for these two positional areas?

          From the Pacific Ocean they can strike in the Far East, from the Arctic Ocean in the European part, from the Black Sea they can also theoretically launch a missile strike.
          Bombers can strike from any direction.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 24 October 2015 00: 06 New
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            Quote: Lt. air force reserve
            The Black Sea can also theoretically deliver a missile strike.

            There is no one from Cherny .. categorically .. They are still waiting for them in Middle-earth and they will not miss such a fist.
            The Pacific Ocean .. for they will also not be allowed to shoot from the internal Sea of ​​Okhotsk, they can only cover coastal areas, but there is such a path above the water .. for axes this is a sentence ..
            Arctic .. From the SVM area they don’t shine .., there remains only the area north of Scandinavia .. There is not a weak SF grazing there .. Well and very dense air defense ..

            About the volley .. 154 for 15 minutes? If only from the surface. From underwater, this is not real. The operations of a similar Hippo for the Americans are not listed .. And the mass loss on the boats would be identical.

            And yes. 500km for defense is enough ..
        2. mvg
          mvg 24 October 2015 00: 13 New
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          Ohio 24 trident shafts converted into 24x4 axes ... 96 pcs, plus torpedo tubes ..
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 24 October 2015 03: 12 New
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            Quote: mvg
            Ohio 24 trident shafts converted into 24x4 axes ... 96 pcs, plus torpedo tubes ..

            And where do you get all this from?
            "Каждый из 4 ПЛАРК вооружён 154 cruise missiles «Томагавк», 22 из 24 ракетных шахт были модернизированы под вертикальный пуск КР. В каждой модернизированной шахте размещено по 7 ракет. Две ближайших к рубке шахты оснащены шлюзовыми камерами. К ним стыкуются мини-подлодки ASDS." (http://3mv.ru)
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 23: 14 New
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    Quote: nemo778
    But 1500km is a straight line

    144 turns now called in a straight line ???

    Quote: nemo778
    With envelope relief min-2500 km (with warhead-450 kg)! A nuclear about -100kg, then simple physics

    2500 most likely with a special unit weighing 200 kg. Well, a 100 kg warhead is from the realm of fantasy ...
  • Lev s
    Lev s 24 October 2015 00: 43 New
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    The caliber, even a small flea, jumps far ...
    Trouble for NATO's ugly mongrel
  • boroda64
    boroda64 24 October 2015 01: 59 New
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    6pcs x 24pcs x 2600km = LOT ..
    ...................
    arithmetic - not even mathematics ..
  • mamont5
    mamont5 24 October 2015 07: 28 New
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    "До конца 2017 года все шесть субмарин проекта 636.3 "Варшавянка", вооружённые крылатыми ракетами "Калибр", поступят на Черноморский флот РФ"

    This is good, but other fleets should not be forgotten. Equip everything with similar weapons.
  • slizhov
    slizhov 24 October 2015 07: 59 New
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    ARMOR STRAP! SUBSCRIBERS OUR FAST!
    We will protect the whole world on the whole Earth !!!
    And there will be no BANDER, nor fascists!
    Planet Mother DOES NOT FEED IN THE LABOR !!!!

    )))
  • Old26
    Old26 24 October 2015 10: 10 New
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    Quote: boroda64
    6pcs x 24pcs x 2600km = LOT ..

    Why then trifle something. Feel free to multiply 6 boats by 50 missiles and you will be happy. Pancake, FULL AMMUNITION missiles and torpedoes - 18 unitsshoot ROCKETS can only be from the top two TAs, BK - 4 missiles .... Но блин, мало же, неактуально. Давайте увеличим аж до 24 (пофиг, что лодка окажется абсолютно безоружной, но ничего, это ведь параллельная реальность, там все можно). Так вот я предлагаю не мелочиться, а увеличить БК лодок до 50 ракет... А лучше сделать как на "Огайо" - аж 154...
  • Old26
    Old26 24 October 2015 10: 36 New
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    Quote: mamont5
    "До конца 2017 года все шесть субмарин проекта 636.3 "Варшавянка", вооружённые крылатыми ракетами "Калибр", поступят на Черноморский флот РФ"

    This is good, but other fleets should not be forgotten. Equip everything with similar weapons.

    So far, such boats are not planned for our Navy. 2 should be delivered to Vietnam, 2 - to Algeria ... Will there still be a construction for us - UNKNOWN
  • Bastion
    Bastion 24 October 2015 13: 26 New
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    It’s high time to rearm the Black Sea Fleet, and then everyone floats on the Black Sea as at home!
  • Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 24 October 2015 17: 35 New
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    Это хорошо. Черноморский Флот просто необходимо усиливать. И чтобы он был "не просто Черноморским", а и постоянно присутствовал в Средиземном море.
  • andron72
    andron72 25 October 2015 10: 08 New
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    I’m watching here it’s not the Kotyri clowns who even try to calculate the loot how much it costs, and if the war counts, too, wake up shameful fool
  • Old26
    Old26 25 October 2015 12: 11 New
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    Quote: Bastion
    It’s high time to rearm the Black Sea Fleet, and then everyone floats on the Black Sea as at home!

    and something will change? No, no one is against the rearmament of the fleet, over the past quarter century it has come to a deplorable state, but the Black Sea - alas, not our internal one. Alas, besides us, another 5 countries have a way out. Yes, and no one can ban others from entering the Black Sea ...
  • sds87
    sds87 25 October 2015 17: 22 New
    +1
    Then I read 2 related articles about welders at Sevmash
    http://kompromat29.ru/lenta/2015/06/05/popilen-vtoroj-milliard/
    http://kompromat29.ru/lenta/2015/10/23/chto-sluchilos-s-vashimi-podvodnyimi-lodk
    ami, -mister-prezident-oni-vse-utonuli! /
    I supplement the second article with an article from the video http://www.35media.ru/news/2011/01/18/cherepovchanin-pytaetsya-poluchit-zarplatu
    -cherez-sud
    Если коротко, то сварщики для "Севмаша" набираются через какое-то ООО и сварщики в итоге оказываются с грошами, когда ООО забирает себе всю основную сумму оплаты сварщиков. Опять сплошные пилильщики...
    1. Mishmish
      Mishmish 26 October 2015 16: 38 New
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      So THIS is Great Russia! Now only on TV they talk about the external ... but the fact that it’s real in the country is like putting languages ​​in the ass .... From Greatness Padi!
  • YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 26 October 2015 09: 14 New
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    И Черное море превратится в космос....с множеством "черных дыр" wink
  • serverny
    serverny 26 October 2015 16: 17 New
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    Quote: Old26
    If you want to shoot ISIS from the Black Sea, you will have to coordinate with the Turks, otherwise all missiles will be shot down

    Угумс, точно так же, как "сбили" тот залп из 26 ракет, который прошел практически вдоль их границ (как раз там, где развернуты их собственные и "одолженные" другими странами НАТО комплексы ПВО).
    Just for starters, it would be nice for them to learn how to get information about the volleys of the Kyrgyz Republic not from television news releases many hours after the event.