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Vietnam bought in Israel SAM SPYDER

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Vietnam purchased medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems from Israel Rafael SPYDER, the blog reports bmpd With reference to the commander of the air force and air defense forces of the Vietnamese army Le Duy Vinh.




In his article “Creating Modern Air Force and Reliable Sky Protection,” published in a departmental newspaper, the general writes: “In recent years, the following systems were acquired by the Air Force and the Air Defense Force VNA: modern ELM-2288ER radar detection of air targets, 36D6 radar detection of air targets, Kolchuga passive detectors; missile systems SPYDER, S-300PMU1, C-125-2TM; Su-30МК2 multi-role fighters, CASA C295 aircraft; VQ 98-01, VQ-1М, VQ-2 automatic control and intelligence systems; in collaboration with Viettel Mobile (Vietnamese Telecommunications Group), the RV-D1, VRS-S, VRS-W radar systems were developed and manufactured. "

Thus, Vietnam became the fourth buyer of the Israeli Rafael SPYDER air defense system after Singapore, Georgia and India. Details of the agreement are unknown.

Photos used:
Kenneth Lai, soha.vn
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  1. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 23 October 2015 12: 51 New
    -2
    Ours is better. How many countries purchases our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of KamAZ. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.
    Georgia is also to me. They rafigachili all their airfields, restore air defense. Do not try. They don’t behave like this with their neighbors. What are they going to protect.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 23 October 2015 12: 53 New
      16
      Может и лучше, а купили не наше. Несмотря на многолетнюю "дружбу" ... Просто
      business. sad
      1. paxil
        paxil 23 October 2015 13: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: marlin1203
        Может и лучше, а купили не наше. Несмотря на многолетнюю "дружбу" ... Просто
        business.

        So they buy ships and submarines and planes from us, you don’t know what? smile
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 13: 11 New
          22
          Quote: Denis-Skiff
          Ours is better. How many countries purchases our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of KamAZ. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.

          Ours is really better, I will explain why:

          The Israeli complex uses - missiles Derby and Python 5 with a range of up to 35 km and altitude of targets in the range of 20-16 km. Missiles have the ability maneuvering at the final stage of flight with overloads up to 12 g.

          Beech-M2 It uses 9M317 missiles of the border of the affected area, with a maximum range of up to 50 km, and with a height of destruction of up to 25 km. Missile capable of hitting targets maneuvering with overloads up to 24g
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Quote: Denis-Skiff
            Ours is better. How many countries purchases our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of KamAZ. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.

            Ours is really better, I will explain why:
            The Israeli complex uses - missiles Derby and Python 5 with a range of up to 35 km and altitude of targets in the range of 20-16 km. Missiles have the ability maneuvering at the final stage of flight with overloads up to 12 g.
            Beech-M2 It uses 9M317 missiles of the border of the affected area, with a maximum range of up to 50 km, and with a height of destruction of up to 25 km. Missile capable of hitting targets maneuvering with overloads up to 24g

            Well, probably the Vietnamese did not make a finger and understand the air defense. Perhaps they were interested in this combination?
            As weapons, a combination of the ground-based version of the medium-range air defense "Derby" air-to-air missile system is used with active radar guidance and short-range Python-5 missiles with IR guidance system.
          2. ism_ek
            ism_ek 23 October 2015 13: 42 New
            18
            It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.
            У Бука - основные "мозги" в станции управления. Ракетам "Дерби» и «Питон-5» станция управления не нужна. Все "мозги" сосредоточены в ракете. Как говорится - "выстрелил и забыл". Телевизионный прицел позволяет попасть в любую точку самолета. Такая электроника стоит у нас на крылатых ракетах. Уменьшить ее до размеров зенитной ракеты мы пока не можем.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 13: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: ism_ek
              It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.
              У Бука - основные "мозги" в станции управления. Ракетам "Дерби» и «Питон-5» станция управления не нужна.......Уменьшить ее до размеров зенитной ракеты мы пока не можем.

              All we can, it's up to the promising Buk-M3.
              Quote: ism_ek
              Как говорится - "выстрелил и забыл"

              А я "выстрелил и не забыл", и что......да и какая мне разница если вероятность поражения российской ракетой в два-три раза выше, при всей высокотехнологичности израильского комплекса.

              With all due respect, it's over.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 14: 07 New
                +8
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                [
                А я "выстрелил и не забыл", и что......да и какая мне разница если вероятность поражения российской ракетой в два-три раза выше, при всей высокотехнологичности израильского комплекса.
                With all due respect, it's over.

                Firstly, who believed this and secondly, the Vietnamese are not dumber than you and me.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 14: 39 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Firstly, who believed this and secondly, the Vietnamese are not dumber than you and me.

                  By the way, like the Indians, they bought it the same.
            2. i80186
              i80186 23 October 2015 14: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: ism_ek
              It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.

              SPYDER does not use specialized anti-aircraft missiles at all, this launcher for air-to-air missiles. To put it mildly, not the most economical option. But just in circulation. smile
            3. avdkrd
              avdkrd 23 October 2015 16: 06 New
              12
              Quote: ism_ek
              It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.
              У Бука - основные "мозги" в станции управления. Ракетам "Дерби» и «Питон-5» станция управления не нужна. Все "мозги" сосредоточены в ракете. Как говорится - "выстрелил и забыл". Телевизионный прицел позволяет попасть в любую точку самолета. Такая электроника стоит у нас на крылатых ракетах. Уменьшить ее до размеров зенитной ракеты мы пока не можем.

              Что значит -у России таких нет? У России нет самонаводящихся ракет воздух-воздух с приемлемыми характеристиками? Наиболее близко по характеристикам Р-73 имеет тепловую всеракурсную ГСН (30км), еще круче РВВ-МД(40км) уже с двух диапазонной ИГС, РВВ-АЕ (80км) с инерциальной с радиокоррекцией + активное радиолокационное самонаведение и как апогей РВВ-СД(110км). Все выстрелил-забыл. Комплекса на базе ракет воздух-воздух у нес еще нет(тех.задание нужно), а по поводу ракет "которых у нас нет" вы сильно не правы. Про тепловизионный прицел который "позволяет попасть в любую точку самолета" извините, но просто чушь. У Спайдера НЕТ(от слова совсем) тепловизионного прицела, есть тепловая ГСН(двухдиапазонная), есть алгоритм повышающий вероятность игнорировать тепловые ловушки и повышающий вероятность попадание в уязвимое место. Собственно у всех ракет воздух-воздух эта задача так или иначе решается.Еще есть обзорная РЛС которая обнаруживает и сопровождает цели, собственно она и выдает первичные данные для стрельбы. Ничего нового.
              About SUCH electronics standing on our cruise missiles in general beyond good and evil ....
              1. ism_ek
                ism_ek 23 October 2015 17: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: avdkrd
                Spider has NO (from the word at all) thermal imaging sight

          3. Falcon
            Falcon 23 October 2015 14: 18 New
            12
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Ours is really better, I will explain why:


            Rather class-shell-c1 system

            Quote: ism_ek
            Ракетам "Дерби» и «Питон-5» станция управления не нужна. Все "мозги" сосредоточены в ракете. Как говорится - "выстрелил и забыл".


            You can’t capture many ARLGSN on 20 km range, without video correction and two-way communication.

            Quote: ism_ek
            Such electronics are on our cruise missiles. We cannot reduce it to the size of an anti-aircraft missile.


            And what is the uniqueness of such electronics? Or is it somehow different from guidance systems
            RVV-SD


            or RVV-DB



            Or maybe the GOS with a diameter of 200mm and a weight of 14 kg is too large

            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 14: 22 New
              +3
              And what is the uniqueness of such electronics? Or is it somehow different from guidance systems
              RVV-SD

              Photos from MAX? The beauty)))
      2. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 23 October 2015 13: 18 New
        -13
        Just corruption.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 30 New
          11
          Quote: armored optimist
          Just corruption.

          Yeah. And if they had bitten Russian it was only honest. fellow
          1. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 23 October 2015 14: 10 New
            0
            But you can only tear apart and you can!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 14: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: armored optimist
              But you can only tear apart and you can!

              This is only your IMHO.
              1. Armored optimist
                Armored optimist 23 October 2015 14: 26 New
                -2
                And how else can one explain that the obviously better and cheaper system is losing the worse and more expensive? Only kickbacks. Minus as you want. All the same, Israel kirdyk. Read the source.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 14: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: armored optimist
                  And how else can one explain that the obviously better and cheaper system is losing the worse and more expensive? Only kickbacks

                  Or maybe not having any weapons in the world, is not the only and not the best?
                  1. velikoros-xnumx
                    velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 16: 30 New
                    +7
                    Quote: atalef
                    Or maybe not having any weapons in the world, is not the only and not the best?

                    I think the matter is not in the best and not in kickbacks. Most likely some characteristics of Spyder more fully meet the requirements of the Vietnamese military
                2. MACCABI-TLV
                  MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 20: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: armored optimist
                  And how else can one explain that the obviously better and cheaper system is losing the worse and more expensive?

                  started for health.
                  Quote: armored optimist
                  All the same, Israel kirdyk

                  finished, for peace.
                  I didn’t understand, praised him without analogues, or he was chastising Jews ... request
            2. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 16: 25 New
              11
              Quote: armored optimist
              But you can only tear apart and you can!

              I am not a fan of the Jews, but here you are fundamentally wrong. The defense complex of Israel, if inferior in level so only to Israeli medicine. In terms of electronics, and much more in which we would not hurt to adopt technology and experience from them. In general, given the more than modest size of the country, the defense industrial complex is almost phenomenal.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 23 October 2015 18: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                In general, given the more than modest size of the country, the defense industrial complex is almost phenomenal.

                Комрад, я вам примеров "феноминальности" могу много набросать : Швейцария, Люксембург, почти десяток "райских" островов.
                Israel does not produce most of the weapons, everything is made in other countries (Ships and boats in Germany, tanks and planes in the USA)!
                Исключение только в БПЛА да электронные прибамбасы, да и те в "бае системзе" и прочих "локхидах" прорабатываются. На Израиле отвёрточная сборка.
                Это, как кофе в зёрнах или растворимый "Made in Israel".
                In Israel, it is processed and packaged, and it is grown in other places (Currently, coffee is grown in more than 70 countries in Asia, Africa, Central and Latin America, Oceania).
                Well, it has a certain respect, from all over the world and from a poor shirt.
                1. MACCABI-TLV
                  MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 20: 38 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  Комрад, я вам примеров "феноминальности" могу много набросать : Швейцария, Люксембург, почти десяток "райских" островов.

                  and who, there, is at war?
                  what is produced, in these countries do you use daily?
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  In Israel, a screwdriver assembly.

                  will there be examples or are you pretending
                  1. MMX
                    MMX 23 October 2015 21: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Комрад, я вам примеров "феноминальности" могу много набросать : Швейцария, Люксембург, почти десяток "райских" островов.

                    and who, there, is at war?
                    what is produced, in these countries do you use daily?
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    In Israel, a screwdriver assembly.

                    will there be examples or are you pretending


                    Tiny (that's right to the extreme) example:
                    - перестань буржуи поставлять иудеям двигатели и трансмиссию, и хана "танковой промышленности" Израиля.
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                      1. Kuzyakin15
                        Kuzyakin15 23 October 2015 22: 47 New
                        +3
                        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                        Quote: MMX
                        - перестань буржуи поставлять иудеям двигатели и трансмиссию, и хана "танковой промышленности" Израиля.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Komrad answered you for me.

                        I already realized that you are not native to Russian.
                        What damn place, delivered whole and assembled engine and transmission belong to screwdriver assembly? AAAA ... ??? They beat already collected.
                        Also, televisions, refrigerators (except Israeli), washing machines (except Israeli). So de collected are cars, cigarettes, household chemicals.
                        As an example, I will tell you what a screwdriver assembly is. This is when large parts (assembled of 2 or more parts) and parts are assembled and assembled into the final product in the country, where they will be sold, BUT DO NOT ARE domestic registered trademarks and enterprises . TE BEMVE assembled near Kaliningrad, a German company, not Russian. Or Israeli Sercher assembled in Kazan, in the first batch assembled from ISRAELI components and parts, in the territory of the Russian Federation is a screwdriver assembly.
                        Now please examples of the Israeli screwdriver assembly.
                        Merkava is a domestic MBT project in which USED foreign components. (Fortunately, we do not have import substitution).

                        That's right! And the Israeli military-technical thought should not be belittled, but worth learning. Learning from others is not shameful, if there is anything.
                        Well, you should not use the RUSSIAN mat, especially in a warped form. The effect is not the same!
                      2. MMX
                        MMX 24 October 2015 09: 29 New
                        0
                        That's right! And the Israeli military-technical thought should not be belittled, but worth learning. Learning from others is not shameful, if there is anything.


                        А кто же её принижает? Или Вы под "принижением" понимаете тот факт, что в израильских танках стоит иностранный двигатель и трансмиссия (а еще лицензионная германская пушка)?
                    2. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 24 October 2015 00: 50 New
                      -1
                      Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                      Merkava is a domestic MBT project in which USED foreign components. (Fortunately, we do not have import substitution).

                      Your project was assembled at a state-owned tank factory in the famous state of Amerika.
                      Из "вашего" в нём только день сп....е отовсюду.
                      Так и не ходи сюда и не импортнозамещайся и не тряси "культёй!.
                2. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 23 October 2015 22: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                  what is produced, in these countries do you use daily?

                  And what do I use in Israel?
                  NOTHING!
                  Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                  will there be examples or are you pretending

                  Quote: MMX
                  Tiny (that's right to the extreme) example:
                  - перестань буржуи поставлять иудеям двигатели и трансмиссию, и хана "танковой промышленности" Израиля.

                  Komrad answered you for me.
                  И я не куражусь в отличии от ваших "братцев".
                  For coffee, by the way, the worker of the coffee industry in Israel (Atalef, Herrr professor or someone else. I’m too lazy to look in the archive) can tell the best.
    2. yushch
      yushch 23 October 2015 14: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: marlin1203
      Может и лучше, а купили не наше. Несмотря на многолетнюю "дружбу" ... Просто
      business. sad


      Хотелось бы получить вот какую информацию-"А бывают в природе вьетнамские евреи??? Если они существуют,то все становится более менее понятно laughing
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 October 2015 14: 55 New
        0
        Quote: yushch
        Are there Vietnamese Jews in nature?

        If there are Chinese, then why not be Vietnamese? If among those with Orthodox roots worship Buddha or Krishna, then Jewry is no exception.
        1. yushch
          yushch 23 October 2015 15: 32 New
          0
          I would have been satisfied with a more specific answer, otherwise if only ...
          In general, it was a joke question, to defuse the situation.
          1. Orakul2000
            Orakul2000 24 October 2015 02: 02 New
            0
            There are. I personally saw one in our army.
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      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 23 October 2015 16: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: yushch
        And there are Vietnamese Jews in nature

        Yes, any blood and color.
        Take a giyur and in a couple of three generations the family will become 100% Jewish.
        Until then, at the errands of the main caste of Jews.
        Do you think why all the Israeli children are scattered like shit?
        They prove to the masters their need and usefulness, he is also converts.
      3. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 20: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: yushch
        Хотелось бы получить вот какую информацию-"А бывают в природе вьетнамские евреи???

        Quote: Hedgehog
        If there are Chinese, then why not be Vietnamese?

        in the 70s a couple of hundred refugees from south Vietnam were accepted. Citizenship was granted automatically.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 23 October 2015 22: 05 New
          0
          Quote: MACCABI-TLV
          in the 70s a couple of hundred refugees from south Vietnam were accepted. Citizenship was granted automatically.

          Epic amount accepted.
          And where are these yellow Jews of Judea now, what is remarkable about?
          Really interesting.
          1. MACCABI-TLV
            MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 22: 57 New
            -2
            Quote: Papakiko
            Epic amount accepted.

            Accept at least as many Syrians.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 24 October 2015 11: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: MACCABI-TLV
              Accept at least as many Syrians.

              Russia did not suit the war in Syria. These are minke whales with Israelis and Saudis, there they are promoting a war. Democracy is arranged in which the minority imposes its will on the majority.
              But Russia and refugees with urkaina enough. Especially from the west.
              1. MACCABI-TLV
                MACCABI-TLV 25 October 2015 19: 40 New
                0
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Russia did not suit the war in Syria.

                Israel did not arrange war in Vietnam, but accepted refugees.
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              1. MACCABI-TLV
                MACCABI-TLV 25 October 2015 19: 48 New
                -1
                Quote: Papakiko
                Yes, to put it mildly (very mildly) GALLERY!

                Trololo, have you moved to the Jews already?
                It was about (I remind) that Israel granted asylum to the Vietnamese who are from it in another part of the world. They are not our allies and not opponents, but our state accepted them.
                The Syrians are your allies; you do not want to see them.
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    4. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 14: 38 New
      0
      Quote: marlin1203
      Может и лучше, а купили не наше. Несмотря на многолетнюю "дружбу" ... Просто
      business. sad

      Well, in general, they refused Kalashnikov in favor of
      The Vietnamese Ministry of Defense intends to replace the Kalashnikov assault rifles used by the Israeli IWI Galil, Interfax reports citing Vietnam’s QPVN channel. It is expected that in the near future in the Asian country the enterprise for the production of automatic machines Galil ACE 31 and ACE 32 caliber 7,62 millimeters will begin to work. The plant is being built by the Israeli company Israel Weapon Industries.

      The construction of a factory for the production of Galil automatic machines is carried out under a contract with IWI worth one hundred million dollars


      http://topwar.ru/39187-vetnam-zamenit-avtomaty-kalashnikova-na-galil.html
      well, and the conversion of Soviet armored personnel carriers from hydraulic control to electric, my friend was engaged in Vietnam in the late 90s
    5. avdkrd
      avdkrd 23 October 2015 15: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: marlin1203
      Может и лучше, а купили не наше. Несмотря на многолетнюю "дружбу" ... Просто
      business. sad

      Rather than business, but kickbacks. In fact, Vietnam to buy air defense systems from a US ally is the height of insanity. Still the United States would have bought. Nobody even disputes the existence of bookmarks in military equipment, and they cannot be found in complex systems. They can both in the element base and in software. In the case of Russian systems, this is an inevitable evil and it is unlikely that ours will merge vulnerabilities to a third party - not those times. Israel is getting harder. Of course, the Vietnamese are straining because of our supplies to China, but they owe Russian air defense the very fact of existence and we did not let them down.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 16: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: avdkrd
        In fact, Vietnam to buy air defense systems from a US ally is the height of insanity. Still the United States would have bought.

        And what, do we buy industrial products in Germany in the interests of the Ministry of Defense doesn’t bother you?
      2. quote
        quote 24 October 2015 06: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: avdkrd
        Israel is getting harder. Of course, the Vietnamese are tense because of our supplies to China, but they owe Russian air defense the very fact of existence and we did not let them down.

        That is, they are debtors? For life?
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  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 October 2015 12: 53 New
    +4
    In vain ... There are clearly bookmarks!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 07 New
      -7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      In vain ... There are clearly bookmarks!

      He has experience of real combat use, and therefore the ability to modify it. In 2006, Georgia bought one battery and during the war of 2008, wrote down on it two air forces of the Russian Federation. Given the low preparation of l / s, one can recognize decent performance characteristics of the complex.
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 23 October 2015 13: 11 New
        11
        Blah, blah, blah ... You there with the Ukrainians sort it out first, on whose account to record, otherwise the RF planes will not be enough ... And what happened to these mega air defense systems ???
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 21 New
          -4
          Quote: IAlex
          Blah, blah, blah ... You there with the Ukrainians sort it out first, on whose account to record, otherwise the RF planes will not be enough ... And what happened to these mega air defense systems ???

          Where is the mega SAM? one short-range battery?
          Perhaps they were interested in this?
          The typical Spider Division consists of one mobile command and fire control station and four to six mobile launchers with TOPLITE optical sensors. The control center is equipped with the three-coordinate radar EL / M-2106 ATAR developed by IAI / Elta, capable of simultaneously tracking 60 targets at a distance of 35 km.
        2. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 23 October 2015 18: 25 New
          -4
          Quote: IAlex
          Blah, blah, blah ... You there with the Ukrainians sort it out first, on whose account to record, otherwise the RF planes will not be enough ... And what happened to these mega air defense systems ???

          Противорадиолокационные ракеты в них случайно попали, выпущенные с Су-34 после того как он сам же ослепил их с помощью "Хибин". А у ЗРК Буг-М1, которые хуЮщенко подарил Грузии, в случае поражения главной РЛС на каждой пусковой машине имеется своя. От них то и были потери российских ВВС.
      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 23 October 2015 13: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: MIKHAN
        In vain ... There are clearly bookmarks!

        He has experience of real combat use, and therefore the ability to modify it. In 2006, Georgia bought one battery and during the war of 2008, wrote down on it two air forces of the Russian Federation. Given the low preparation of l / s, one can recognize decent performance characteristics of the complex.

        Advertising is good of course ... hi Here is just one BUT ... The satellites aimed at the target, and at that time there were a lot of them on duty! .. They hoped that Medvedev would be scared (while Putin was at the Olympics in China)))) I agree that they shot down ours, but wait for the answer .. ( water pipes will fly ..)))) That’s your whole essence, in relation to Russia! hi
        And the blood of the dead peacekeepers at the outpost in Tskhinval on your conscience ...! You have guaranteed that the sky will be fully protected ... Or is it not? Answer more ...
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN

          Advertising is good of course ... hi Here is just one BUT ... The satellites aimed at the target, and at that time there were a lot of them on duty! .. They hoped that Medvedev would be scared (while Putin was at the Olympics in China)))) I agree that they shot down ours, but wait for the answer .. ( water pipes will fly ..)))) That’s your whole essence, in relation to Russia! hi
          And the blood of the dead peacekeepers at the outpost in Tskhinval on your conscience ...! You have guaranteed that the sky will be fully protected ... Or is it not? Answer more ...

          Тяжело отвечать на бред малообразованного человека или пытающегося казаться таким, но попробую. Во первых " Spyder" не нуждается в спутниках. Во вторых у нас в регионе столько российского оружия гуляет, что " трубами" пугать смешно. В третьих " Корнеты" били наши танки за два года до конфликта в Грузии.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 October 2015 15: 02 New
            +8
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            "Корнеты" били наши танки за два года до конфликта в Грузии

            Привет, Арончик. Так ведь били "морковку" не на территории Израиля. Согласен? Не суй свою морковку куда попало. Пусть на территории Израиля стоит, и жаловаться нужды не будет.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 16: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              "Корнеты" били наши танки за два года до конфликта в Грузии

              Привет, Арончик. Так ведь били "морковку" не на территории Израиля. Согласен? Не суй свою морковку куда попало. Пусть на территории Израиля стоит, и жаловаться нужды не будет.

              Yes, please.
              ракета "Корнет" российского производства, выпущенная с территории сектора Газа, поразила 7 апреля 2011 года израильский школьный автобус, пишет NEWSru Israel. В результате этого обстрела водитель автобуса был легко ранен, а пассажир, 16-летний подросток, получил тяжелые ранения. Эти обвинения вызвали дипломатическую напряженность между странами.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 23 October 2015 17: 03 New
                +4
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                ракета "Корнет" российского производства, выпущенная с территории сектора Газа, поразила 7 апреля 2011 года израильский школьный автобус, пишет NEWSru Israel

                Да по школьному автобусу это они зря хотя если вспомнить сколько детей в Газе убил Израильский режим то это скорее месть так сказать "око за око" или просто перепутали хотя взаимная ненависть там просто зашкаливает.
                But the valiant Hezbollah, which this year struck at the border guards or the army and not the children, is also said from the Cornets.
              2. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 23 October 2015 17: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                hit an Israeli school bus on April 7, 2011

                Ну, Арончик, ты уж определись как нибудь конкретнее о чём говорить. Либо о "морковках", либо об автобусах с одним школьником.
                Возьми себе на заметку: "The surest sign of truth is simplicity and clarity. Lying is always complex, fanciful and verbose." (Лев Николаевич Толстой)
      3. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In the 2006 year, Georgia bought one battery and during the 2008 war of the year, two air forces of the Russian Federation were recorded on its account.

        Is not a fact... what На 100% достоверных данных о потерях ВВС РФ в этом конфликте нет до сих пор. С некоторой погрешностью можно говорить о общем количестве сбитых. Но кто и чем, это вопрос сложный. Безусловным лидером по эффективности оказался отнюдь не SPYDER, а ЗРК "Бук-М1" полученный из Украины на котором частично были украинские же расчёты. По всей видимости часть российских Су-25 была поражена российскими же ПЗРК из-за неразберихи.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 23 October 2015 21: 30 New
          +2
          There are still no 100% reliable data on the losses of the Russian Air Force in this conflict.

          Есть такой сборник статей о войне 080808 - "Танки Августа". Там авторы провели неплохой анализ на основе различных источников, в то числе и о потерях ВВС РФ. Так вот, похоже выходит, что практически все российские самолёты были сбиты при помощи ПЗРК. Причём половина в результате дружественного огня. Только Ту-22М3 на счету ЗРК "Оса".
  3. vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 October 2015 12: 54 New
    11
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    Ours is better. How many countries will buy our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz.

    Now our Israeli colleagues on this site will prove the opposite to you.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 13: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      Now our Israeli colleagues on this site will prove the opposite to you.

      And the main argument will be that their systems were tested in a combat situation, but ours are not.
      It was necessary to give East Prussia to Israel, not Poland, after World War II, Israel would be in Europe, safe and not martial law for the past 50 years, money would be spent on science and medicine, and not on missiles and air defense systems . And the Middle East would be more peaceful.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: vovanpain
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      Ours is better. How many countries will buy our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz.

      Now our Israeli colleagues on this site will prove the opposite to you.

      We will not let the Russian air defense systems honestly share first place with Europeans in terms of performance characteristics, but apparently others are catching up. Then this system of close radius, perhaps it has its own advantages.
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      2. bulvas
        bulvas 23 October 2015 13: 12 New
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Then this system of close radius, perhaps it has its own advantages.



        Buk (it seems that this is a medium-range air defense system in question) also has advantages and he is also tested in practice, and the old model - even ukroPoshniki could get out of it through Boeing



      3. Falcon
        Falcon 23 October 2015 14: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Let’s not Russian air defense systems honestly share first place with Europeans in terms of performance characteristics


        Where in Europe have you seen the analogue of C-400? Or C-300ppm-2?
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 October 2015 16: 55 New
          -1
          Quote: Falcon
          Where in Europe have you seen the analogue of C-400? Or C-300ppm-2?

          Nowhere. These are systems that have no analogues in the world, as well as non-crashed single aircraft. fellow
          1. Ajent cho
            Ajent cho 23 October 2015 17: 59 New
            +8
            unmanned aircraft
            So, do not fly any aircraft as soon as the S-300/400 appears somewhere ... And it’s good that you don’t have to try it.
          2. Falcon
            Falcon 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Falcon
            Where in Europe have you seen the analogue of C-400? Or C-300ppm-2?

            Nowhere. These are systems that have no analogues in the world, as well as non-crashed single aircraft. fellow


            You can’t without a kick winked ?

            Well, compared with the European air defense systems. And where are they and what brought down?

            Many different weapons did not take part in the battles, for example, Yars, Poplar, (Israeli nuclear bomb), but no one doubts their effectiveness.

            The best weapon that wins without war.

            ps I remember you published articles on VO before. What have you stopped?
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 October 2015 20: 39 New
              +5
              Quote: Falcon
              You can’t without a kick?

              I can’t go past those who have no taxes in the world. wink

              Quote: Falcon
              Well, compared with the European air defense systems. And where are they and what brought down?

              And you compare with the Patriot. Constantly knocking someone.

              Quote: Falcon
              Many different weapons did not take part in the battles, for example, Yars, Poplar, (Israeli nuclear bomb), but no one doubts their effectiveness.

              Еще как сомневаются. Оружие которое невозможно применить трудно назвать "эффективным".

              Quote: Falcon
              The best weapon that wins without war.

              A weapon never wins. The soldier wins.

              Quote: Falcon
              ps I remember you published articles on VO before. What have you stopped?


              And who needs it here?
              Quote: Hedgehog
              This is because on October 3 of this year, Israeli F-16 pilots, with the synchronization of an unavailable analogue in the world, made a 180-degree turn and did not dare to continue flying over Syrian territory.

              1. Falcon
                Falcon 23 October 2015 21: 43 New
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Еще как сомневаются. Оружие которое невозможно применить трудно назвать "эффективным".


                It effectively restrains from major conflicts. From the next 1941. Isn't that efficiency?

                Quote: Professor
                And who needs it here?


                And before, what was the other reader here?
                Nevertheless, you write comments, do not leave VO.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 24 October 2015 07: 08 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Falcon
                  It effectively restrains from major conflicts. From the next 1941. Isn't that efficiency?

                  Not holding back. Since 1945 there has been a sea of ​​conflict. In 1973, the Arabs attacked Israel despite the presence of (according to rumors) nuclear weapons.

                  Quote: Falcon
                  And before, what was the other reader here?

                  Other.

                  Quote: Falcon
                  Nevertheless, you write comments, do not leave VO.

                  Having fun.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
            -2
            Quote: Professor
            These are systems that have no analogs in the world, but like non-crashed one plane
            Это потому, что 3 октября сего года израильские пилоты F-16 с синхронностью неимеющейаналоговвмире совершили разворот на 180 градусов и не рискнули продолжать полёт над территорией Сирии. Более того, после предупреждения "сделали ноги". А ведь какая-то корабельная установка могла бы и счёт открыть. Нам ведь не важно, какая, морская или сухопутная.
          4. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 20: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Nowhere. These are systems that have no analogues in the world, as well as non-crashed single aircraft.

            What is true is true. Which in general does not detract from the merits of the mentioned complexes. They shot enough targets for 30 years, this is of course not quite the same as removing in combat conditions, but still.
            The best are not the best, but definitely among the best.
  4. Dym71
    Dym71 23 October 2015 12: 54 New
    +6
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz.


    Based on MAN.
  5. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 12: 58 New
    +6
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    Ours is better. How many countries will buy our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.

    Apparently they want to diversify their armed forces so as not to depend on one arms supplier.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 23 October 2015 16: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      Apparently they want to diversify their armed forces so as not to depend on one arms supplier.

      Достаточно продуманный ответ,Вьетнам не хочет остаться бес системы ПВО в случае чего и от сюда такие странные на первый взгляд предпочтения.Они выбрали "золотую середину",для того чтоб не попасть под влияние стран с амбициями выбор пал на Израиль.Хотя совсем независимыми назвать евреев нельзя ,но это не податливые американскому влиянию французы и не немцы со своим Манштейном в юбке........... lol lol
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 October 2015 03: 18 New
        +2
        During the Vietnam-American War of 1965-1973, and especially during the Vietnam-China War of 1979, Vietnam was cut off from the USSR. Although the Chinese passed military cargo through their territory in 1965-1973, they did not willingly do so; many goods disappeared along the road. Under current conditions Seeing the rapprochement between Russia and China and not having reliable transport routes to Russia, Vietnam decided to find closer markets. This is just my personal opinion.
  • avt
    avt 23 October 2015 12: 52 New
    +1
    Details of the agreement are unknown.
    In terms of bakshish size is not tracked.
  • EFA
    EFA 23 October 2015 12: 53 New
    +2
    Is China so scared?
    And why exactly these models? What is the rationale for the choice? request
  • bronik
    bronik 23 October 2015 12: 54 New
    +1
    А распознавание целей "свой-чужой"? Кого сбивать-то будут?
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 23 October 2015 13: 25 New
      +3
      .....А распознавание целей "свой-чужой"? Кого сбивать-то будут?...

      .... Target recognition is not made by a missile, but by a detection station (radar) .... hi
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 October 2015 03: 22 New
        +1
        And they will recognize YOUR-ALIEN by the debris on the EARTH.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 October 2015 12: 56 New
    +7
    Vietnam approaches differentially to equipping its armed forces. Well, this is their right, so somewhere we made a mistake, if we could not be more convincing than the Israelis. Although this is generally normal practice for countries that do not have their full-scale defense industry.

    Something like this, Dear colleagues, I think. hi
    1. Sauron80
      Sauron80 23 October 2015 13: 06 New
      +3
      In the conditions of a real military conflict, all this differentiation oh how it comes around in terms of supply and repair.
      And for parades, any self-propelled gun will come down))
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 23 October 2015 13: 09 New
    0
    I personally hurt! The Vietnamese should remember the capabilities of our technology and especially the SAMs.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 23 October 2015 13: 27 New
      +4
      They know and remember, it is not for nothing that they have S-300PMU1 and S-125-2TM. But apparently they found something in Israeli complexes that we don’t have. Moreover, our export complexes were very different in equipment from ours, which stood on arming air defense of the USSR.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        They know and remember, it’s not for nothing that they have C-300ПМУ1 and С-125-2ТМ

        Not only your beloved C-75 in Vietnam are still in service.
        In the satellite image taken in 2015, the position of C-75 near the port of Camran.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 40 New
          +3
          Sergey! What can you do? First love. More than three months after the draft, I ended up in the combined special forces division of the 11th separate Air Defense Army. For whom and for what we received 2 regiment sets of equipment and still do not know. The officers probably didn’t know either of our division. Most importantly, the formation order indicated that soldiers and officers who had recently started serving were sent to the division. Soldiers and sergeants had a service life of no more than six months. It was interesting then, the next year, when we went to the regimental firing on Telembu. there were officers from GRAU with whom we were around KapYar about a year ago. Everyone who had the experience of KapYar was removed from his duties on the day of the shooting on Telemb. They shot with an abridged calculation, in very difficult conditions, but the guys didn’t let us down. And we had to look at this shooting from the side. The benefit is at least not removed from the site.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 24 October 2015 04: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Amurets
            Sergey! What can you do? First love.

            I myself am not indifferent to the air defense system, although I did not serve in the fire division and, due to the specifics of the service, I did not go to firing. Although the stories on this subject at the time heard enough.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 24 October 2015 05: 12 New
              +2
              There were many miracles. When they put them to finish off, in KapYar, they shot down the target before the main division, which was supposed to shoot the test shooting.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 October 2015 13: 22 New
    +2
    Yes, good rockets, what is already there. Only with us, in my opinion, is Thor a classmate with them? Or so.
    But Thor, he can shoot on the go. Beeches, in my opinion, are abruptly and heavier.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 23 October 2015 13: 35 New
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      then somewhere we made a mistake, if we couldn’t

      To press their diasporas, including robbers, in Russia, to pinch to the nail and the mistake will right away be corrected, for one and the corrupt officials who cover the underground production of the Vietnamese to transplant.
  • Saburo
    Saburo 23 October 2015 13: 42 New
    +3
    This is not the first time. Not so long ago, Kalashnikov lost to Galil as the main machine for the Vietnamese army. Maybe the Vietnamese are nervous because the Chinese know the characteristics of many Russian complexes, so they buy something else.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 23 October 2015 13: 53 New
      +6
      Скорее всего во многом взяли эти достаточно посредственные ЗРК для того чтобы ознакомится с их "начинкой" ну или что бы мы с ней ознакомились smile
      Кстати то что якобы ЗРК Спайдер сбили во время 08.08.2008 хоть один самолёт никем не доказано это лишь "хотелки" некоторых граждан из Израиля.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 14: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Скорее всего во многом взяли эти достаточно посредственные ЗРК для того чтобы ознакомится с их "начинкой" ну или что бы мы с ней ознакомились smile
        Кстати то что якобы ЗРК Спайдер сбили во время 08.08.2008 хоть один самолёт никем не доказано это лишь "хотелки" некоторых граждан из Израиля.

        Everything can be. I do not know why the Vietnamese bought this system and I have only open information on the conflict 8.8.8. If the Georgians were misled by their statement, then I’ll be deceived.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 23 October 2015 14: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          If the Georgians were misled by their statement, then I’ll be deceived.

          Да "привычку" выпускать "дезинформацию" и сеять ложь грузины похоже так же импортировали из Израиля как и БПЛА и другие подделки и "модернизации".
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Кстати то что якобы ЗРК Спайдер сбили во время 08.08.2008 хоть один самолёт никем не доказано это лишь "хотелки" некоторых граждан из Израиля.

        We won’t know it soon. request At least there were launches on air targets, perhaps they hit one Su-24M.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 23 October 2015 14: 39 New
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          We certainly won’t know it soon. At least there were launches on air targets, perhaps one Su-24M was hit.


          Честно говоря читал об этом только на форумах и то со стороны друзей Грузии каких либо заслуживающих доверия сведений об этом не было. В общем по моему тогда все сошлись во мнении что Спайдеры так и не были освоены в войсках на то время и простояли просто "мёртвым грузом" по моему даже мелькала даже фото этого комплекса где то в Грузии в поле брошенное на произвол судьбы.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: quilted jacket
            В общем по моему тогда все сошлись во мнении что Спайдеры так и не были освоены в войсках на то время и простояли просто "мёртвым грузом" по моему даже мелькала даже фото этого комплекса где то в Грузии в поле брошенное на произвол судьбы.

            There were no spiders abandoned No. About combat launches says discovered not exploded SAM of this SAM.

            Наши десантники захватили в Поти один зрдн "Бук-М1", которые грузины так и не успели ввести в строй. Некоторое время назад я готовил публикацию на тему применения авиации в этом конфликте и перелопатил большое количество материала hi
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 23 October 2015 14: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Bongo
              There were no spiders abandoned

              Утверждать не буду я там не был но вот фото которое не один раз "светилось" тогда на форумах;


              Here is one of the articles on this topic:Georgian air defense during the war in South Ossetia
              http://vichivisam.ru/?p=60369
              Quote: Bongo
              About combat launches says discovered not exploded SAM of this SAM.

              Лично я читал информацию что найденная ракета "Питон" была с пущена со штурмовика СУ-25 "Скорпион" модернизированного с помощью Израиля
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 23 October 2015 15: 08 New
                +1
                Thanks for the link hi В общем и целом эта информация согласуется с другими материалами. Если бы наши военные захватили Спайдер - его бы безусловно продемонстрировали бы всему "прогрессивному человечеству"..
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Лично я читал информацию что найденная ракета "Питон" была с пущена со штурмовика СУ-25 "Скорпион" модернизированного с помощью Израиля

                But this is the first time I hear it, but frankly, for a number of reasons I doubt it.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 23 October 2015 15: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Bongo
                  Если бы наши военные захватили Спайдер - его бы безусловно продемонстрировали бы всему "прогрессивному человечеству"..

                  Совершенно не обязательно мы там много чего "захватили", например контейнеры с каким то оборудованием, чешскую станцию РЭб ( кажется под названием "Тамара"?точно не помню ) опять же модернизированные Израилем Т-72 СИМ и практически не о чём из этого в подробностях неизвестно так только кадры показывали.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  But this is the first time I hear it, but frankly, for a number of reasons I doubt it.

                  And we are talking about the same Python who fell and did not explode breaking through the roof of the house?
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 23 October 2015 15: 31 New
                    +1
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    Совершенно не обязательно мы там много чего "захватили", например контейнеры с каким то оборудованием, чешскую станцию РЭб ( кажется под названием "Тамара"?точно не помню ) опять же модернизированные Израилем Т-72 СИМ и практически не о чём из этого в подробностях неизвестно так только кадры показывали.

                    Модернизированные Т-72 передали осетинам и абхазам, Думаю, что если бы израильский ЗРК действительно захватили, он бы обязательно "засветился".
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    And we are talking about the same Python who fell and did not explode breaking through the roof of the house?

                    Not sure, according to my information, fragments of a rocket were discovered.
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 23 October 2015 16: 04 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Bongo
                      The modernized T-72s were handed over to Ossetians and Abkhazians,

                      So we have different information with you personally, I read that it was not the modernized T-72 that was transferred to them, but all the modernized ones that were exported to Russia.
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Not sure, according to my information, fragments of a rocket were discovered.

                      You probably mean this video.

                      I saw other pictures, but unfortunately I can’t find them after eight years and of course I will not say anything for sure.
                    2. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 23 October 2015 16: 36 New
                      -3
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Думаю, что если бы израильский ЗРК действительно захватили, он бы обязательно "засветился"

                      Quickly not thoughtfully, superficially, plotted.
                      What was needed was shown.
                      And what is not needed, they have not shown.
                      Do you hope you do not believe that the Libyan Tripoli stormed the Basmachis?
                      For the terry cloth was attached by sas and other divisions of calolic.
                      So in the Donbas, the national battalions are not composed of monkeys.
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 24 October 2015 02: 32 New
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                        Quote: Papakiko
                        What was needed was shown.

                        It’s hard to show what isn’t ...
                      2. Amurets
                        Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 00 New
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                        Bongo/ Сергей!Привет.ТО что ты мне сбосил карту нет одного ЗРК С-75, по нумерации в моё время 7-ой и одного С-125 по-моему в районе Паруса. И теперь не относящееся к данной теме.Югославская война.Точно знаю что было поражено два F-117; один упал на территории Сербии,второй дотянул до острова Сицилия,просто про второй америкосы заставили молчать Сербов.Но меня интересует В-2 кажется "Дух Канзаса."В интервью,показаном в новостях, Расплетин,кажется на Максе проговорился о попадании нашей ракеты в В-2.В тот-же в следующем выпуске новостей этого интерьвью уже небыло,но и В-2 исчез из поля зрения на 2,5-й года. Всё это было в 1999 году.Больше материалов я не нашёл.Вся тема закрыта.И самое обидное то что диск сматериалами на эту у меня не открывается.
                      3. Bongo
                        Bongo 24 October 2015 04: 31 New
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                        Hi, Nikolay!
                        Quote: Amurets
                        The fact that you sent me a card does not have one S-75 air defense system, according to the numbering in my time, the 7 and one C-125, in my opinion, in the Sail area.

                        This card is at the end of the 80's, and you served much earlier, a lot could change. As far as I know, in the area of ​​Parus on an ongoing basis SAMs were not deployed. There, before the construction of the plant began, there was a marshland and hills from the southeast obstruct the view.

                        По поводу "Стелтсов" в Югославии у меня достоверной информации нет request And I'm not used to relying on rumors.
                      4. Amurets
                        Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 56 New
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                        I completely agree with you about the Stealth. The fact is that I saw the headings of the articles, there were links, but most often the link was empty, two times the material was encrypted and password-protected. And it seems a couple of times there was a warning that access to the site is strictly prohibited. I also agree with the divisions, too much time has passed, almost 20 years.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 23 October 2015 14: 05 New
    +1
    It is interesting, but how is the issue of integration of various air defense systems created on a different hardware base - our standard and Israeli? After all, these are not just the components of layered air defense, they should receive information from different sources.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 23 October 2015 14: 22 New
      +2
      Да в том то и дело,не знаю как израильские,а наши системы могут интегрироваться с другими системами ПВО,по поводу Вьетнама,"Тор"не продается,а "Панцирь"уступает израильским комплексам,вот и весь расклад
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 53 New
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        Quote: 31rus
        "Тор"не продается

        Why did it happen? No. Offshore exports were carried out to Venezuela, Iran, China, Greece, Egypt. Well, maybe I forgot someone else ...
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  • tezey
    tezey 23 October 2015 16: 47 New
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    Quote: marlin1203
    Может и лучше, а купили не наше. Несмотря на многолетнюю "дружбу" ... Просто
    business. sad

    Well, we bought it. For ours, not just ours, just for the sake of exhilaration, the Vietnamese will let us dig. Purely out of curiosity.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 17: 24 New
    +4
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    All we can, it's up to the promising Buk-M3.

    Вот только перспективного "Бук-М3" еще нет...

    Quote: cherkas.oe
    To press their diasporas, including robbers, in Russia, to pinch to the nail and the mistake will right away be corrected, for one and the corrupt officials who cover the underground production of the Vietnamese to transplant.

    Wow. Let every country that will not buy our weapons so spread rot. 10 years will pass and we do not need the enemy. Everything is turned away from us ...

    Quote: Amurets
    Moreover, our export complexes differed sharply in equipment from ours, which were in service with the USSR air defense.

    Unfortunately, Nikolai, unfortunately. We in export products give characteristics worse than in our own. And then we wonder why they buy from others
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 13 New
      +3
      Old26 Volodya! When we on KapYar, on the basis of a complete set, received new complexes from industry, on the next site there were export complexes after overhaul. In one cabin the factory workers worked and we were able to look into it. We were struck by the wretchedness of the equipment and even got it stuck for stopping by someone else’s cabin. Silence-silent then did not doze off.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 17: 25 New
    +4
    Quote: Theseus
    Well, we bought it. For ours, not just ours, just for the sake of exhilaration, the Vietnamese will let us dig. Purely out of curiosity.

    Sure. What will give digging?
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 17: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Theseus
    Well, we bought it. For ours, not just ours, just for the sake of exhilaration, the Vietnamese will let us dig. Purely out of curiosity.

    Sure. What will give digging?
  • Vivan
    Vivan 23 October 2015 21: 22 New
    +8
    Want to hear the opinion of a Vietnamese? My opinion, of course, does not pretend to be true, but just a hunch. Sometime a few months ago I read on the net an article of a Vietnamese general who analyzed the Anglo-Argentine conflict (Falkland Islands, 1982) and came to the conclusion that “we should diversify our armaments so as not to fall into the then position of Argentina” .

    What exactly happened to Argentina then? At the beginning of the conflict, the armed forces of Argentina seemingly successfully resisted the British fleet, however, at the request of the latter, France cut off supplies of air-sea missiles to Argentina, and Argentina began to erupt. And in the end, she lost the war.

    In my opinion, the Vietnamese leadership is aware that in the strategic plan, China is much more important to Russia than Vietnam, and in the event of a military clash between Vietnam and China, Russia can satisfy the request of China and completely stop the supply of arms to Vietnam. So Vietnam should build a good relationship with Israel in advance right now, with the expectation of a possible war in the future. In addition, Israeli complexes may be inferior to Russian complexes, but their technical characteristics are unknown to the Chinese.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 October 2015 05: 03 New
      +1
      Vivan. Everything is correct. All eggs are not put in one basket. Here I agree with you.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 24 October 2015 17: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Saburo
    This is not the first time. Not so long ago, Kalashnikov lost to Galil as the main machine for the Vietnamese army.

    Lose to yourself? The praised Galil is an imitation of the Israelis by the Chinese; instead of acquiring a license, they decided to pay nothing and get the same Kalashnikov, a side view.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 October 2015 17: 46 New
      -2
      Quote: Mentat
      The praised Galil is an imitation of the Israelis by the Chinese; instead of acquiring a license, they decided to pay nothing and get the same Kalashnikov, a side view.

      Duc Galil is a legitimate licensed version officially acquired. fool
      1. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho 24 October 2015 22: 10 New
        +1
        Galil legal licensed version
        Kalashnikov?
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 October 2015 07: 54 New
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          Quote: Ajent Cho
          Kalashnikov?

          Of course. The Finns acquired a license from the USSR, Israel acquired a license from the Finns.

          Quote: Mentat
          Who did you buy the license from, who delegated the rights of Finland to issue secondary licenses?

          We bought from the Finns and I don’t remember the USSR suing Finland for reselling the license. Can you remind us when the copyright for Kalashnikov was filed? And they were generally issued? wink So Israel could not pay at all for any license at all and absolutely legitimately copy Kalashnikov. Learn the materiel.
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 24 October 2015 22: 20 New
    0
    Vietnam bought in Israel SAM SPYDER
    For those who think that Vietnam has turned its back on Russia: during the Amer invasion, Vietnam had two main suppliers of weapons - the Soviet Union and China. Ho-Chi-Ming very competently maneuvered between the countries at that time in a quarrel, receiving preferences from both governments.
    Since then - nothing has changed. And our polymers will be bought as before.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 25 October 2015 03: 22 New
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Mentat
    The praised Galil is an imitation of the Israelis by the Chinese; instead of acquiring a license, they decided to pay nothing and get the same Kalashnikov, a side view.

    Duc Galil is a legitimate licensed version officially acquired. fool

    Yes, tap your forehead. Who did you buy the license from, who delegated the rights of Finland to issue secondary licenses? The Chinese version in its purest form from engineering poverty.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 October 2015 22: 17 New
    0
    Новость в оригинале звучала как: Вьетнам вместо комплекса "Панцирь С1" купил комплекс Израильского производства. В любом случае, производитель ракеты - Израиль и радаров -Израиль. В случае войны есть гарантии, что третьи страны не вмешаются в поставки ракет. К примеру аналогичный германский комплекс использует американские ракеты.