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Vietnam bought in Israel SAM SPYDER

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Vietnam purchased medium-range anti-aircraft missile systems from Israel Rafael SPYDER, the blog reports bmpd With reference to the commander of the air force and air defense forces of the Vietnamese army Le Duy Vinh.




In his article “Creating Modern Air Force and Reliable Sky Protection,” published in a departmental newspaper, the general writes: “In recent years, the following systems were acquired by the Air Force and the Air Defense Force VNA: modern ELM-2288ER radar detection of air targets, 36D6 radar detection of air targets, Kolchuga passive detectors; missile systems SPYDER, S-300PMU1, C-125-2TM; Su-30МК2 multi-role fighters, CASA C295 aircraft; VQ 98-01, VQ-1М, VQ-2 automatic control and intelligence systems; in collaboration with Viettel Mobile (Vietnamese Telecommunications Group), the RV-D1, VRS-S, VRS-W radar systems were developed and manufactured. "

Thus, Vietnam became the fourth buyer of the Israeli Rafael SPYDER air defense system after Singapore, Georgia and India. Details of the agreement are unknown.

Photos used:
Kenneth Lai, soha.vn
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  1. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 23 October 2015 12: 51
    -2
    Ours is better. How many countries purchases our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of KamAZ. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.
    Georgia is also to me. They rafigachili all their airfields, restore air defense. Do not try. They don’t behave like this with their neighbors. What are they going to protect.
    1. marlin1203
      marlin1203 23 October 2015 12: 53
      16
      Maybe better, but they didn't buy ours. Despite many years of "friendship" ... Just
      business. sad
      1. paxil
        paxil 23 October 2015 13: 07
        +3
        Quote: marlin1203
        Maybe better, but they didn't buy ours. Despite many years of "friendship" ... Just
        business.

        So they buy ships and submarines and planes from us, you don’t know what? smile
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 13: 11
          22
          Quote: Denis-Skiff
          Ours is better. How many countries purchases our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of KamAZ. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.

          Ours is really better, I will explain why:

          The Israeli complex uses - missiles Derby and Python 5 with a range of up to 35 km and altitude of targets in the range of 20-16 km. Missiles have the ability maneuvering at the final stage of flight with overloads up to 12 g.

          Beech-M2 It uses 9M317 missiles of the border of the affected area, with a maximum range of up to 50 km, and with a height of destruction of up to 25 km. Missile capable of hitting targets maneuvering with overloads up to 24g
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 26
            +6
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Quote: Denis-Skiff
            Ours is better. How many countries purchases our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of KamAZ. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.

            Ours is really better, I will explain why:
            The Israeli complex uses - missiles Derby and Python 5 with a range of up to 35 km and altitude of targets in the range of 20-16 km. Missiles have the ability maneuvering at the final stage of flight with overloads up to 12 g.
            Beech-M2 It uses 9M317 missiles of the border of the affected area, with a maximum range of up to 50 km, and with a height of destruction of up to 25 km. Missile capable of hitting targets maneuvering with overloads up to 24g

            Well, probably the Vietnamese did not make a finger and understand the air defense. Perhaps they were interested in this combination?
            As weapons, a combination of the ground-based version of the medium-range air defense "Derby" air-to-air missile system is used with active radar guidance and short-range Python-5 missiles with IR guidance system.
          2. ism_ek
            ism_ek 23 October 2015 13: 42
            18
            It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.
            Buk has the main "brains" in the control station. Missiles "Derby" and "Python-5" do not need a control station. All the "brains" are concentrated in the rocket. As they say - "fire and forget." The television sight allows you to get to any point of the aircraft. Such electronics are on our cruise missiles. We cannot yet reduce it to the size of an anti-aircraft missile.
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 13: 57
              +1
              Quote: ism_ek
              It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.
              Buk has the main "brains" in the control station. The Derby and Python-5 missiles do not need a control station ....... We cannot yet reduce it to the size of an anti-aircraft missile.

              All we can, it's up to the promising Buk-M3.
              Quote: ism_ek
              As they say - "shoot and forget"

              And I "fired and did not forget," and what ... and what difference does it make to me if the probability of being hit by a Russian missile is two to three times higher, for all the high technology of the Israeli complex.

              With all due respect, it's over.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 14: 07
                +8
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                [
                And I "fired and did not forget," and what ... and what difference does it make to me if the probability of being hit by a Russian missile is two to three times higher, for all the high technology of the Israeli complex.
                With all due respect, it's over.

                Firstly, who believed this and secondly, the Vietnamese are not dumber than you and me.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 14: 39
                  +6
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Firstly, who believed this and secondly, the Vietnamese are not dumber than you and me.

                  By the way, like the Indians, they bought it the same.
            2. i80186
              i80186 23 October 2015 14: 54
              +3
              Quote: ism_ek
              It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.

              SPYDER does not use specialized anti-aircraft missiles at all, this launcher for air-to-air missiles. To put it mildly, not the most economical option. But just in circulation. smile
            3. avdkrd
              avdkrd 23 October 2015 16: 06
              12
              Quote: ism_ek
              It's not about overloads. SPYDER is the third generation of anti-aircraft missiles. Russia does not have such.
              Buk has the main "brains" in the control station. Missiles "Derby" and "Python-5" do not need a control station. All the "brains" are concentrated in the rocket. As they say - "fire and forget." The television sight allows you to get to any point of the aircraft. Such electronics are on our cruise missiles. We cannot yet reduce it to the size of an anti-aircraft missile.

              What do you mean, Russia has no such? Does Russia have no acceptable air-to-air homing missiles? The closest in terms of characteristics, the R-73 has a thermal all-aspect seeker (30 km), even steeper RVV-MD (40 km) already with two-band GCI, RVV-AE (80 km) with inertial radio correction + active radar homing and as the apogee of RVV-SD ( 110 km). I fired everything, I forgot. The complex on the basis of air-to-air missiles has not yet been carried (a technical assignment is needed), and about the missiles "which we do not have" you are very wrong. About the thermal imaging sight that "allows you to get to any point on the plane" sorry, but just nonsense. The Spider has NO (from the word at all) a thermal sight, there is a thermal seeker (dual-band), there is an algorithm that increases the likelihood of ignoring heat traps and increases the likelihood of hitting a vulnerable spot. Actually, all air-to-air missiles solve this problem one way or another. There is also a surveillance radar that detects and accompanies targets, in fact, it gives out the primary data for firing. Nothing new.
              About SUCH electronics standing on our cruise missiles in general beyond good and evil ....
              1. ism_ek
                ism_ek 23 October 2015 17: 34
                +2
                Quote: avdkrd
                Spider has NO (from the word at all) thermal imaging sight

          3. Falcon
            Falcon 23 October 2015 14: 18
            12
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            Ours is really better, I will explain why:


            Rather class-shell-c1 system

            Quote: ism_ek
            The Derby and Python-5 missiles do not need a control station. All "brains" are concentrated in the rocket. As they say - "fire and forget."


            You can’t capture many ARLGSN on 20 km range, without video correction and two-way communication.

            Quote: ism_ek
            Such electronics are on our cruise missiles. We cannot reduce it to the size of an anti-aircraft missile.


            And what is the uniqueness of such electronics? Or is it somehow different from guidance systems
            RVV-SD


            or RVV-DB



            Or maybe the GOS with a diameter of 200mm and a weight of 14 kg is too large

            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 14: 22
              +3
              And what is the uniqueness of such electronics? Or is it somehow different from guidance systems
              RVV-SD

              Photos from MAX? The beauty)))
      2. Armored optimist
        Armored optimist 23 October 2015 13: 18
        13 th
        Just corruption.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 30
          11
          Quote: armored optimist
          Just corruption.

          Yeah. And if they had bitten Russian it was only honest. fellow
          1. Armored optimist
            Armored optimist 23 October 2015 14: 10
            0
            But you can only tear apart and you can!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 14: 12
              +3
              Quote: armored optimist
              But you can only tear apart and you can!

              This is only your IMHO.
              1. Armored optimist
                Armored optimist 23 October 2015 14: 26
                -2
                And how else can one explain that the obviously better and cheaper system is losing the worse and more expensive? Only kickbacks. Minus as you want. All the same, Israel kirdyk. Read the source.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 14: 41
                  +1
                  Quote: armored optimist
                  And how else can one explain that the obviously better and cheaper system is losing the worse and more expensive? Only kickbacks

                  Or maybe not having any weapons in the world, is not the only and not the best?
                  1. velikoros-xnumx
                    velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 16: 30
                    +7
                    Quote: atalef
                    Or maybe not having any weapons in the world, is not the only and not the best?

                    I think the matter is not in the best and not in kickbacks. Most likely some characteristics of Spyder more fully meet the requirements of the Vietnamese military
                2. MACCABI-TLV
                  MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 20: 34
                  +2
                  Quote: armored optimist
                  And how else can one explain that the obviously better and cheaper system is losing the worse and more expensive?

                  started for health.
                  Quote: armored optimist
                  All the same, Israel kirdyk

                  finished, for peace.
                  I didn’t understand, praised him without analogues, or he was chastising Jews ... request
            2. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 16: 25
              11
              Quote: armored optimist
              But you can only tear apart and you can!

              I am not a fan of the Jews, but here you are fundamentally wrong. The defense complex of Israel, if inferior in level so only to Israeli medicine. In terms of electronics, and much more in which we would not hurt to adopt technology and experience from them. In general, given the more than modest size of the country, the defense industrial complex is almost phenomenal.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 23 October 2015 18: 35
                +2
                Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                In general, given the more than modest size of the country, the defense industrial complex is almost phenomenal.

                Comrad, I can sketch out a lot of examples of "phenomenality" for you: Switzerland, Luxembourg, almost a dozen of "paradise" islands.
                Israel does not produce most of the weapons, everything is made in other countries (Ships and boats in Germany, tanks and planes in the USA)!
                The only exception is in UAVs and electronic bells and whistles, and even those are being worked out in the "buy system" and other "lockhids". In Israel, screwdriver assembly.
                It is like coffee beans or instant "Made in Israel".
                In Israel, it is processed and packaged, and it is grown in other places (Currently, coffee is grown in more than 70 countries in Asia, Africa, Central and Latin America, Oceania).
                Well, it has a certain respect, from all over the world and from a poor shirt.
                1. MACCABI-TLV
                  MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 20: 38
                  +4
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  Comrad, I can sketch out a lot of examples of "phenomenality" for you: Switzerland, Luxembourg, almost a dozen of "paradise" islands.

                  and who, there, is at war?
                  what is produced, in these countries do you use daily?
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  In Israel, a screwdriver assembly.

                  will there be examples or are you pretending
                  1. MMX
                    MMX 23 October 2015 21: 04
                    +1
                    Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    Comrad, I can sketch out a lot of examples of "phenomenality" for you: Switzerland, Luxembourg, almost a dozen of "paradise" islands.

                    and who, there, is at war?
                    what is produced, in these countries do you use daily?
                    Quote: Papakiko
                    In Israel, a screwdriver assembly.

                    will there be examples or are you pretending


                    Tiny (that's right to the extreme) example:
                    - Stop the bourgeoisie supplying the Jews with engines and transmissions, and the khan of the "tank industry" of Israel.
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                      1. Kuzyakin15
                        Kuzyakin15 23 October 2015 22: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                        Quote: MMX
                        - Stop the bourgeoisie supplying the Jews with engines and transmissions, and the khan of the "tank industry" of Israel.

                        Quote: MMX
                        Komrad answered you for me.

                        I already realized that you are not native to Russian.
                        What damn place, delivered whole and assembled engine and transmission belong to screwdriver assembly? AAAA ... ??? They beat already collected.
                        Also, televisions, refrigerators (except Israeli), washing machines (except Israeli). So de collected are cars, cigarettes, household chemicals.
                        As an example, I will tell you what a screwdriver assembly is. This is when large parts (assembled of 2 or more parts) and parts are assembled and assembled into the final product in the country, where they will be sold, BUT DO NOT ARE domestic registered trademarks and enterprises . TE BEMVE assembled near Kaliningrad, a German company, not Russian. Or Israeli Sercher assembled in Kazan, in the first batch assembled from ISRAELI components and parts, in the territory of the Russian Federation is a screwdriver assembly.
                        Now please examples of the Israeli screwdriver assembly.
                        Merkava is a domestic MBT project in which USED foreign components. (Fortunately, we do not have import substitution).

                        That's right! And the Israeli military-technical thought should not be belittled, but worth learning. Learning from others is not shameful, if there is anything.
                        Well, you should not use the RUSSIAN mat, especially in a warped form. The effect is not the same!
                      2. MMX
                        MMX 24 October 2015 09: 29
                        0
                        That's right! And the Israeli military-technical thought should not be belittled, but worth learning. Learning from others is not shameful, if there is anything.


                        And who belittles her? Or do you mean by "belittling" the fact that Israeli tanks have a foreign engine and transmission (and also a licensed German gun)?
                    2. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 24 October 2015 00: 50
                      -1
                      Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                      Merkava is a domestic MBT project in which USED foreign components. (Fortunately, we do not have import substitution).

                      Your project was assembled at a state-owned tank factory in the famous state of Amerika.
                      From "your" in it only day cn .... e from everywhere.
                      So do not go here and do not substitute import and do not shake your "stump!"
                2. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 23 October 2015 22: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                  what is produced, in these countries do you use daily?

                  And what do I use in Israel?
                  NOTHING!
                  Quote: MACCABI-TLV
                  will there be examples or are you pretending

                  Quote: MMX
                  Tiny (that's right to the extreme) example:
                  - Stop the bourgeoisie supplying the Jews with engines and transmissions, and the khan of the "tank industry" of Israel.

                  Komrad answered you for me.
                  And I do not swagger, unlike your "brothers".
                  For coffee, by the way, the worker of the coffee industry in Israel (Atalef, Herrr professor or someone else. I’m too lazy to look in the archive) can tell the best.
    2. yushch
      yushch 23 October 2015 14: 27
      +2
      Quote: marlin1203
      Maybe better, but they didn't buy ours. Despite many years of "friendship" ... Just
      business. sad


      I would like to receive the following information - "Are there Vietnamese Jews in nature ??? If they exist, then everything becomes more or less clear laughing
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 23 October 2015 14: 55
        0
        Quote: yushch
        Are there Vietnamese Jews in nature?

        If there are Chinese, then why not be Vietnamese? If among those with Orthodox roots worship Buddha or Krishna, then Jewry is no exception.
        1. yushch
          yushch 23 October 2015 15: 32
          0
          I would have been satisfied with a more specific answer, otherwise if only ...
          In general, it was a joke question, to defuse the situation.
          1. Orakul2000
            Orakul2000 24 October 2015 02: 02
            0
            There are. I personally saw one in our army.
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      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 23 October 2015 16: 19
        +1
        Quote: yushch
        And there are Vietnamese Jews in nature

        Yes, any blood and color.
        Take a giyur and in a couple of three generations the family will become 100% Jewish.
        Until then, at the errands of the main caste of Jews.
        Do you think why all the Israeli children are scattered like shit?
        They prove to the masters their need and usefulness, he is also converts.
      3. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: yushch
        I would like to get the following information- "Are there Vietnamese Jews in nature ???

        Quote: Hedgehog
        If there are Chinese, then why not be Vietnamese?

        in the 70s a couple of hundred refugees from south Vietnam were accepted. Citizenship was granted automatically.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 23 October 2015 22: 05
          0
          Quote: MACCABI-TLV
          in the 70s a couple of hundred refugees from south Vietnam were accepted. Citizenship was granted automatically.

          Epic amount accepted.
          And where are these yellow Jews of Judea now, what is remarkable about?
          Really interesting.
          1. MACCABI-TLV
            MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 22: 57
            -2
            Quote: Papakiko
            Epic amount accepted.

            Accept at least as many Syrians.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 24 October 2015 11: 12
              +1
              Quote: MACCABI-TLV
              Accept at least as many Syrians.

              Russia did not suit the war in Syria. These are minke whales with Israelis and Saudis, there they are promoting a war. Democracy is arranged in which the minority imposes its will on the majority.
              But Russia and refugees with urkaina enough. Especially from the west.
              1. MACCABI-TLV
                MACCABI-TLV 25 October 2015 19: 40
                0
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Russia did not suit the war in Syria.

                Israel did not arrange war in Vietnam, but accepted refugees.
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              1. MACCABI-TLV
                MACCABI-TLV 25 October 2015 19: 48
                -1
                Quote: Papakiko
                Yes, to put it mildly (very mildly) GALLERY!

                Trololo, have you moved to the Jews already?
                It was about (I remind) that Israel granted asylum to the Vietnamese who are from it in another part of the world. They are not our allies and not opponents, but our state accepted them.
                The Syrians are your allies; you do not want to see them.
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    4. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 14: 38
      0
      Quote: marlin1203
      Maybe better, but they didn't buy ours. Despite many years of "friendship" ... Just
      business. sad

      Well, in general, they refused Kalashnikov in favor of
      The Vietnamese Ministry of Defense intends to replace the Kalashnikov assault rifles used by the Israeli IWI Galil, Interfax reports citing Vietnam’s QPVN channel. It is expected that in the near future in the Asian country the enterprise for the production of automatic machines Galil ACE 31 and ACE 32 caliber 7,62 millimeters will begin to work. The plant is being built by the Israeli company Israel Weapon Industries.

      The construction of a factory for the production of Galil automatic machines is carried out under a contract with IWI worth one hundred million dollars


      http://topwar.ru/39187-vetnam-zamenit-avtomaty-kalashnikova-na-galil.html
      well, and the conversion of Soviet armored personnel carriers from hydraulic control to electric, my friend was engaged in Vietnam in the late 90s
    5. avdkrd
      avdkrd 23 October 2015 15: 35
      -1
      Quote: marlin1203
      Maybe better, but they didn't buy ours. Despite many years of "friendship" ... Just
      business. sad

      Rather than business, but kickbacks. In fact, Vietnam to buy air defense systems from a US ally is the height of insanity. Still the United States would have bought. Nobody even disputes the existence of bookmarks in military equipment, and they cannot be found in complex systems. They can both in the element base and in software. In the case of Russian systems, this is an inevitable evil and it is unlikely that ours will merge vulnerabilities to a third party - not those times. Israel is getting harder. Of course, the Vietnamese are straining because of our supplies to China, but they owe Russian air defense the very fact of existence and we did not let them down.
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: avdkrd
        In fact, Vietnam to buy air defense systems from a US ally is the height of insanity. Still the United States would have bought.

        And what, do we buy industrial products in Germany in the interests of the Ministry of Defense doesn’t bother you?
      2. quote
        quote 24 October 2015 06: 28
        -1
        Quote: avdkrd
        Israel is getting harder. Of course, the Vietnamese are tense because of our supplies to China, but they owe Russian air defense the very fact of existence and we did not let them down.

        That is, they are debtors? For life?
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  2. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 October 2015 12: 53
    +4
    In vain ... There are clearly bookmarks!
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 07
      -7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      In vain ... There are clearly bookmarks!

      He has experience of real combat use, and therefore the ability to modify it. In 2006, Georgia bought one battery and during the war of 2008, wrote down on it two air forces of the Russian Federation. Given the low preparation of l / s, one can recognize decent performance characteristics of the complex.
      1. IAlex
        IAlex 23 October 2015 13: 11
        11
        Blah, blah, blah ... You there with the Ukrainians sort it out first, on whose account to record, otherwise the RF planes will not be enough ... And what happened to these mega air defense systems ???
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 21
          -4
          Quote: IAlex
          Blah, blah, blah ... You there with the Ukrainians sort it out first, on whose account to record, otherwise the RF planes will not be enough ... And what happened to these mega air defense systems ???

          Where is the mega SAM? one short-range battery?
          Perhaps they were interested in this?
          The typical Spider Division consists of one mobile command and fire control station and four to six mobile launchers with TOPLITE optical sensors. The control center is equipped with the three-coordinate radar EL / M-2106 ATAR developed by IAI / Elta, capable of simultaneously tracking 60 targets at a distance of 35 km.
        2. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 23 October 2015 18: 25
          -4
          Quote: IAlex
          Blah, blah, blah ... You there with the Ukrainians sort it out first, on whose account to record, otherwise the RF planes will not be enough ... And what happened to these mega air defense systems ???

          Anti-radar missiles accidentally hit them, fired from the Su-34 after he himself blinded them with the Khibiny. And the Bug-M1 air defense system, which KhuYushchenko presented to Georgia, in case of defeat of the main radar station, each launcher has its own. From them there were losses of the Russian Air Force.
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 23 October 2015 13: 31
        +4
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: MIKHAN
        In vain ... There are clearly bookmarks!

        He has experience of real combat use, and therefore the ability to modify it. In 2006, Georgia bought one battery and during the war of 2008, wrote down on it two air forces of the Russian Federation. Given the low preparation of l / s, one can recognize decent performance characteristics of the complex.

        Advertising is good of course ... hi Here is just one BUT ... The satellites aimed at the target, and at that time there were a lot of them on duty! .. They hoped that Medvedev would be scared (while Putin was at the Olympics in China)))) I agree that they shot down ours, but wait for the answer .. ( water pipes will fly ..)))) That’s your whole essence, in relation to Russia! hi
        And the blood of the dead peacekeepers at the outpost in Tskhinval on your conscience ...! You have guaranteed that the sky will be fully protected ... Or is it not? Answer more ...
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 52
          +4
          Quote: MIKHAN

          Advertising is good of course ... hi Here is just one BUT ... The satellites aimed at the target, and at that time there were a lot of them on duty! .. They hoped that Medvedev would be scared (while Putin was at the Olympics in China)))) I agree that they shot down ours, but wait for the answer .. ( water pipes will fly ..)))) That’s your whole essence, in relation to Russia! hi
          And the blood of the dead peacekeepers at the outpost in Tskhinval on your conscience ...! You have guaranteed that the sky will be fully protected ... Or is it not? Answer more ...

          It's hard to respond to the delirium of an uneducated person or someone who is trying to seem like that, but I'll try. First, the Spyder doesn't need satellites. Secondly, we have so many Russian weapons in the region that it is ridiculous to frighten with "pipes". Third, the "Cornets" beat our tanks two years before the conflict in Georgia.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 October 2015 15: 02
            +8
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            "Cornets" beat our tanks two years before the conflict in Georgia

            Hi, Aronchik. So the "carrot" was not beaten in Israel. I agree? Don't stick your carrot anywhere. Let it stand on the territory of Israel, and there will be no need to complain.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 16: 51
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              "Cornets" beat our tanks two years before the conflict in Georgia

              Hi, Aronchik. So the "carrot" was not beaten in Israel. I agree? Don't stick your carrot anywhere. Let it stand on the territory of Israel, and there will be no need to complain.

              Yes, please.
              A Russian-made Kornet rocket launched from the Gaza Strip hit an Israeli school bus on April 7, 2011, NEWSru Israel writes. As a result of this shelling, the bus driver was slightly injured and the passenger, a 16-year-old teenager, was seriously injured. These accusations have sparked diplomatic tensions between the countries.
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 23 October 2015 17: 03
                +4
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                a Russian-made Kornet rocket fired from the Gaza Strip hit an Israeli school bus on April 7, 2011, NEWSru Israel writes

                Yes, on the school bus they were in vain, although if you remember how many children in Gaza were killed by the Israeli regime, then it is more like revenge, so to speak, "tit for tat" or simply confused, although mutual hatred is simply off scale.
                But the valiant Hezbollah, which this year struck at the border guards or the army and not the children, is also said from the Cornets.
              2. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 23 October 2015 17: 57
                +1
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                hit an Israeli school bus on April 7, 2011

                Well, Aronchik, you really decide what to talk about more specifically. Either about "carrots", or about buses with one student.
                Take a note: "The surest sign of truth is simplicity and clarity. Lying is always complex, fanciful and verbose."(Lev Nikolaevich Tolstoy)
      3. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 11
        +6
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In the 2006 year, Georgia bought one battery and during the 2008 war of the year, two air forces of the Russian Federation were recorded on its account.

        Is not a fact... what There is still no 100% reliable data on the losses of the RF Air Force in this conflict. With some margin of error, we can talk about the total number of shot down. But who and what is a difficult question. The undisputed leader in terms of efficiency was not SPYDER, but the Buk-M1 air defense missile system received from Ukraine, on which Ukrainian calculations were partly. Apparently, part of the Russian Su-25 was hit by Russian MANPADS due to the confusion.
        1. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 23 October 2015 21: 30
          +2
          There are still no 100% reliable data on the losses of the Russian Air Force in this conflict.

          There is a collection of articles about the war 080808 - "Tanks of Augustus". There, the authors conducted a good analysis based on various sources, including the losses of the Russian Air Force. So, it seems that almost all Russian planes were shot down with MANPADS. And half as a result of friendly fire. Only the Tu-22M3 is on the account of the Osa air defense system.
  3. vovanpain
    vovanpain 23 October 2015 12: 54
    11
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    Ours is better. How many countries will buy our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz.

    Now our Israeli colleagues on this site will prove the opposite to you.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 13: 03
      +2
      Quote: vovanpain
      Now our Israeli colleagues on this site will prove the opposite to you.

      And the main argument will be that their systems were tested in a combat situation, but ours are not.
      It was necessary to give East Prussia to Israel, not Poland, after World War II, Israel would be in Europe, safe and not martial law for the past 50 years, money would be spent on science and medicine, and not on missiles and air defense systems . And the Middle East would be more peaceful.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 13: 09
      +3
      Quote: vovanpain
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      Ours is better. How many countries will buy our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz.

      Now our Israeli colleagues on this site will prove the opposite to you.

      We will not let the Russian air defense systems honestly share first place with Europeans in terms of performance characteristics, but apparently others are catching up. Then this system of close radius, perhaps it has its own advantages.
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      2. bulvas
        bulvas 23 October 2015 13: 12
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Then this system of close radius, perhaps it has its own advantages.



        Buk (it seems that this is a medium-range air defense system in question) also has advantages and he is also tested in practice, and the old model - even ukroPoshniki could get out of it through Boeing



      3. Falcon
        Falcon 23 October 2015 14: 27
        +4
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Let’s not Russian air defense systems honestly share first place with Europeans in terms of performance characteristics


        Where in Europe have you seen the analogue of C-400? Or C-300ppm-2?
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 October 2015 16: 55
          -1
          Quote: Falcon
          Where in Europe have you seen the analogue of C-400? Or C-300ppm-2?

          Nowhere. These are systems that have no analogues in the world, as well as non-crashed single aircraft. fellow
          1. Ajent cho
            Ajent cho 23 October 2015 17: 59
            +8
            unmanned aircraft
            So, do not fly any aircraft as soon as the S-300/400 appears somewhere ... And it’s good that you don’t have to try it.
          2. Falcon
            Falcon 23 October 2015 18: 27
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Falcon
            Where in Europe have you seen the analogue of C-400? Or C-300ppm-2?

            Nowhere. These are systems that have no analogues in the world, as well as non-crashed single aircraft. fellow


            You can’t without a kick winked ?

            Well, compared with the European air defense systems. And where are they and what brought down?

            Many different weapons did not take part in the battles, for example, Yars, Poplar, (Israeli nuclear bomb), but no one doubts their effectiveness.

            The best weapon that wins without war.

            ps I remember you published articles on VO before. What have you stopped?
            1. Professor
              Professor 23 October 2015 20: 39
              +5
              Quote: Falcon
              You can’t without a kick?

              I can’t go past those who have no taxes in the world. wink

              Quote: Falcon
              Well, compared with the European air defense systems. And where are they and what brought down?

              And you compare with the Patriot. Constantly knocking someone.

              Quote: Falcon
              Many different weapons did not take part in the battles, for example, Yars, Poplar, (Israeli nuclear bomb), but no one doubts their effectiveness.

              They still doubt it. Weapons that cannot be used can hardly be called "effective".

              Quote: Falcon
              The best weapon that wins without war.

              A weapon never wins. The soldier wins.

              Quote: Falcon
              ps I remember you published articles on VO before. What have you stopped?


              And who needs it here?
              Quote: Hedgehog
              This is because on October 3 of this year, Israeli F-16 pilots, with the synchronization of an unavailable analogue in the world, made a 180-degree turn and did not dare to continue flying over Syrian territory.

              1. Falcon
                Falcon 23 October 2015 21: 43
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                They still doubt it. Weapons that cannot be used can hardly be called "effective".


                It effectively restrains from major conflicts. From the next 1941. Isn't that efficiency?

                Quote: Professor
                And who needs it here?


                And before, what was the other reader here?
                Nevertheless, you write comments, do not leave VO.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 24 October 2015 07: 08
                  +2
                  Quote: Falcon
                  It effectively restrains from major conflicts. From the next 1941. Isn't that efficiency?

                  Not holding back. Since 1945 there has been a sea of ​​conflict. In 1973, the Arabs attacked Israel despite the presence of (according to rumors) nuclear weapons.

                  Quote: Falcon
                  And before, what was the other reader here?

                  Other.

                  Quote: Falcon
                  Nevertheless, you write comments, do not leave VO.

                  Having fun.
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 23 October 2015 18: 27
            -2
            Quote: Professor
            These are systems that have no analogs in the world, but like non-crashed one plane
            This is because on October 3 of this year, Israeli F-16 pilots made a 180-degree turn with a synchronization unparalleled in the world and did not dare to continue flying over Syrian territory. Moreover, after the warning, "we made our legs." But some kind of ship installation could open an account. It doesn't matter to us which one, sea or land.
          4. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 23 October 2015 20: 37
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Nowhere. These are systems that have no analogues in the world, as well as non-crashed single aircraft.

            What is true is true. Which in general does not detract from the merits of the mentioned complexes. They shot enough targets for 30 years, this is of course not quite the same as removing in combat conditions, but still.
            The best are not the best, but definitely among the best.
  4. Dym71
    Dym71 23 October 2015 12: 54
    +6
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz.


    Based on MAN.
  5. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 12: 58
    +6
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    Ours is better. How many countries will buy our equipment? even the UAE buy our wheeled air defense on the basis of kamaz. Who is who, and we are in the air defense.

    Apparently they want to diversify their armed forces so as not to depend on one arms supplier.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 23 October 2015 16: 56
      +2
      Quote: Lt. air force reserve
      Apparently they want to diversify their armed forces so as not to depend on one arms supplier.

      Quite a thoughtful answer, Vietnam does not want to be left without an air defense system in which case, and from here such strange at first glance preferences. They chose the "golden mean" in order not to fall under the influence of countries with ambitions, the choice fell on Israel. Jews are not allowed, but these are not the French, amenable to American influence, and not the Germans with their Manstein in a skirt ........... lol lol
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 October 2015 03: 18
        +2
        During the Vietnam-American War of 1965-1973, and especially during the Vietnam-China War of 1979, Vietnam was cut off from the USSR. Although the Chinese passed military cargo through their territory in 1965-1973, they did not willingly do so; many goods disappeared along the road. Under current conditions Seeing the rapprochement between Russia and China and not having reliable transport routes to Russia, Vietnam decided to find closer markets. This is just my personal opinion.
  • avt
    avt 23 October 2015 12: 52
    +1
    Details of the agreement are unknown.
    In terms of bakshish size is not tracked.
  • EFA
    EFA 23 October 2015 12: 53
    +2
    Is China so scared?
    And why exactly these models? What is the rationale for the choice? request
  • bronik
    bronik 23 October 2015 12: 54
    +1
    And the recognition of goals "friend or foe"? Whom will they shoot down?
    1. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 23 October 2015 13: 25
      +3
      ..... And the recognition of goals "friend or foe"? Whom will they shoot down? ...

      .... Target recognition is not made by a missile, but by a detection station (radar) .... hi
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 24 October 2015 03: 22
        +1
        And they will recognize YOUR-ALIEN by the debris on the EARTH.
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 23 October 2015 12: 56
    +7
    Vietnam approaches differentially to equipping its armed forces. Well, this is their right, so somewhere we made a mistake, if we could not be more convincing than the Israelis. Although this is generally normal practice for countries that do not have their full-scale defense industry.

    Something like this, Dear colleagues, I think. hi
    1. Sauron80
      Sauron80 23 October 2015 13: 06
      +3
      In the conditions of a real military conflict, all this differentiation oh how it comes around in terms of supply and repair.
      And for parades, any self-propelled gun will come down))
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 23 October 2015 13: 09
    0
    I personally hurt! The Vietnamese should remember the capabilities of our technology and especially the SAMs.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 23 October 2015 13: 27
      +4
      They know and remember, it is not for nothing that they have S-300PMU1 and S-125-2TM. But apparently they found something in Israeli complexes that we don’t have. Moreover, our export complexes were very different in equipment from ours, which stood on arming air defense of the USSR.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 28
        +2
        Quote: Amurets
        They know and remember, it’s not for nothing that they have C-300ПМУ1 and С-125-2ТМ

        Not only your beloved C-75 in Vietnam are still in service.
        In the satellite image taken in 2015, the position of C-75 near the port of Camran.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 40
          +3
          Sergey! What can you do? First love. More than three months after the draft, I ended up in the combined special forces division of the 11th separate Air Defense Army. For whom and for what we received 2 regiment sets of equipment and still do not know. The officers probably didn’t know either of our division. Most importantly, the formation order indicated that soldiers and officers who had recently started serving were sent to the division. Soldiers and sergeants had a service life of no more than six months. It was interesting then, the next year, when we went to the regimental firing on Telembu. there were officers from GRAU with whom we were around KapYar about a year ago. Everyone who had the experience of KapYar was removed from his duties on the day of the shooting on Telemb. They shot with an abridged calculation, in very difficult conditions, but the guys didn’t let us down. And we had to look at this shooting from the side. The benefit is at least not removed from the site.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 24 October 2015 04: 55
            +1
            Quote: Amurets
            Sergey! What can you do? First love.

            I myself am not indifferent to the air defense system, although I did not serve in the fire division and, due to the specifics of the service, I did not go to firing. Although the stories on this subject at the time heard enough.
            1. Amurets
              Amurets 24 October 2015 05: 12
              +2
              There were many miracles. When they put them to finish off, in KapYar, they shot down the target before the main division, which was supposed to shoot the test shooting.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 October 2015 13: 22
    +2
    Yes, good rockets, what is already there. Only with us, in my opinion, is Thor a classmate with them? Or so.
    But Thor, he can shoot on the go. Beeches, in my opinion, are abruptly and heavier.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 23 October 2015 13: 35
      -1
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      then somewhere we made a mistake, if we couldn’t

      To press their diasporas, including robbers, in Russia, to pinch to the nail and the mistake will right away be corrected, for one and the corrupt officials who cover the underground production of the Vietnamese to transplant.
  • Saburo
    Saburo 23 October 2015 13: 42
    +3
    This is not the first time. Not so long ago, Kalashnikov lost to Galil as the main machine for the Vietnamese army. Maybe the Vietnamese are nervous because the Chinese know the characteristics of many Russian complexes, so they buy something else.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 23 October 2015 13: 53
      +6
      Most likely, in many respects, they took these rather mediocre air defense systems in order to get acquainted with their "stuffing" well, or so that we could get acquainted with it smile
      By the way, the fact that allegedly the Spyder air defense system was shot down during 08.08.2008 at least one plane has not been proven by anyone, this is just a wishlist of some citizens from Israel.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 23 October 2015 14: 10
        +4
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Most likely, in many respects, they took these rather mediocre air defense systems in order to get acquainted with their "stuffing" well, or so that we could get acquainted with it smile
        By the way, the fact that allegedly the Spyder air defense system was shot down during 08.08.2008 at least one plane has not been proven by anyone, this is just a wishlist of some citizens from Israel.

        Everything can be. I do not know why the Vietnamese bought this system and I have only open information on the conflict 8.8.8. If the Georgians were misled by their statement, then I’ll be deceived.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 23 October 2015 14: 31
          +2
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          If the Georgians were misled by their statement, then I’ll be deceived.

          Yes, the "habit" of releasing "disinformation" and sowing lies the Georgians seem to have imported from Israel as well as UAVs and other fakes and "modernizations".
      2. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: quilted jacket
        By the way, the fact that allegedly the Spyder air defense system was shot down during 08.08.2008 at least one plane has not been proven by anyone, this is just a wishlist of some citizens from Israel.

        We won’t know it soon. request At least there were launches on air targets, perhaps they hit one Su-24M.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 23 October 2015 14: 39
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          We certainly won’t know it soon. At least there were launches on air targets, perhaps one Su-24M was hit.


          To be honest, I only read about it on the forums, and then there was no reliable information about it from the friends of Georgia. In general, in my opinion, then everyone agreed that the Spiders were never mastered by the troops at that time and stood just "dead weight" in my opinion, even a photo of this complex somewhere in Georgia in a field left to fend for itself even flashed.
          1. Bongo
            Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 47
            +4
            Quote: quilted jacket
            In general, in my opinion, then everyone agreed that the Spiders were never mastered by the troops at that time and stood just "dead weight" in my opinion, even a photo of this complex somewhere in Georgia in a field left to fend for itself even flashed.

            There were no spiders abandoned No. About combat launches says discovered not exploded SAM of this SAM.

            Our paratroopers captured one Buk-M1 air defense missile in Poti, which the Georgians did not manage to commission. Some time ago I was preparing a publication on the use of aviation in this conflict and shoveled a large amount of material hi
            1. padded jacket
              padded jacket 23 October 2015 14: 57
              +2
              Quote: Bongo
              There were no spiders abandoned

              I will not argue, I was not there, but here is a photo that more than once "shone" then on the forums;


              Here is one of the articles on this topic:Georgian air defense during the war in South Ossetia
              http://vichivisam.ru/?p=60369
              Quote: Bongo
              About combat launches says discovered not exploded SAM of this SAM.

              Personally, I read information that the found "Python" rocket was launched from the SU-25 "Scorpion" attack aircraft, modernized with the help of Israel
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 23 October 2015 15: 08
                +1
                Thanks for the link hi In general, this information is consistent with other materials. If our military captured Spider, it would certainly be demonstrated to all "progressive humanity" ..
                Quote: quilted jacket
                Personally, I read information that the found "Python" rocket was launched from the SU-25 "Scorpion" attack aircraft, modernized with the help of Israel

                But this is the first time I hear it, but frankly, for a number of reasons I doubt it.
                1. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 23 October 2015 15: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Bongo
                  If our military captured Spider, it would certainly be demonstrated to all "progressive humanity" ..

                  It is absolutely not necessary that we "captured" a lot of things there, for example, containers with some kind of equipment, the Czech electronic warfare station (I think under the name "Tamara"? I don’t remember exactly), again the T-72 SIM modernized by Israel and practically nothing of this in detail unknown so only footage was shown.
                  Quote: Bongo
                  But this is the first time I hear it, but frankly, for a number of reasons I doubt it.

                  And we are talking about the same Python who fell and did not explode breaking through the roof of the house?
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 23 October 2015 15: 31
                    +1
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    It is absolutely not necessary that we "captured" a lot of things there, for example, containers with some kind of equipment, the Czech electronic warfare station (I think under the name "Tamara"? I don’t remember exactly), again the T-72 SIM modernized by Israel and practically nothing of this in detail unknown so only footage was shown.

                    The modernized T-72s were handed over to the Ossetians and Abkhazians. I think that if the Israeli air defense missile system was really captured, it would certainly be "spotted".
                    Quote: quilted jacket
                    And we are talking about the same Python who fell and did not explode breaking through the roof of the house?

                    Not sure, according to my information, fragments of a rocket were discovered.
                    1. padded jacket
                      padded jacket 23 October 2015 16: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Bongo
                      The modernized T-72s were handed over to Ossetians and Abkhazians,

                      So we have different information with you personally, I read that it was not the modernized T-72 that was transferred to them, but all the modernized ones that were exported to Russia.
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Not sure, according to my information, fragments of a rocket were discovered.

                      You probably mean this video.

                      I saw other pictures, but unfortunately I can’t find them after eight years and of course I will not say anything for sure.
                    2. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 23 October 2015 16: 36
                      -3
                      Quote: Bongo
                      I think that if the Israeli air defense missile system was really captured, it would certainly "light up"

                      Quickly not thoughtfully, superficially, plotted.
                      What was needed was shown.
                      And what is not needed, they have not shown.
                      Do you hope you do not believe that the Libyan Tripoli stormed the Basmachis?
                      For the terry cloth was attached by sas and other divisions of calolic.
                      So in the Donbas, the national battalions are not composed of monkeys.
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 24 October 2015 02: 32
                        +2
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        What was needed was shown.

                        It’s hard to show what isn’t ...
                      2. Amurets
                        Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 00
                        +3
                        Bongo / Sergey! Hello. THAT you threw me a map there is no one S-75 air defense system, by numbering in my time the 7th and one C-125, in my opinion, in the Sail area. And now not related to this topic. Yugoslavian war. I know for sure that two F-117s were hit; one fell on the territory of Serbia, the second reached the island of Sicily, just about the second the Americans forced the Serbs to be silent. But I am interested in B-2, it seems, "The Spirit of Kansas." В-2 In the same next news release this interview was not already, but В-2 disappeared from the field of view for 2,5 years. All this was in 1999. I did not find any more materials. The whole topic is closed. And the most offensive thing is that the disc with materials for this one does not open for me.
                      3. Bongo
                        Bongo 24 October 2015 04: 31
                        +1
                        Hi, Nikolay!
                        Quote: Amurets
                        The fact that you sent me a card does not have one S-75 air defense system, according to the numbering in my time, the 7 and one C-125, in my opinion, in the Sail area.

                        This card is at the end of the 80's, and you served much earlier, a lot could change. As far as I know, in the area of ​​Parus on an ongoing basis SAMs were not deployed. There, before the construction of the plant began, there was a marshland and hills from the southeast obstruct the view.

                        I have no reliable information about the Stealths in Yugoslavia request And I'm not used to relying on rumors.
                      4. Amurets
                        Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 56
                        +2
                        I completely agree with you about the Stealth. The fact is that I saw the headings of the articles, there were links, but most often the link was empty, two times the material was encrypted and password-protected. And it seems a couple of times there was a warning that access to the site is strictly prohibited. I also agree with the divisions, too much time has passed, almost 20 years.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 23 October 2015 14: 05
    +1
    It is interesting, but how is the issue of integration of various air defense systems created on a different hardware base - our standard and Israeli? After all, these are not just the components of layered air defense, they should receive information from different sources.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 23 October 2015 14: 22
      +2
      Yes, that's just the point, I don't know how Israeli, but our systems can be integrated with other air defense systems, about Vietnam, "Tor" is not for sale, and "Pantsir" is inferior to Israeli complexes, that's the whole alignment
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 23 October 2015 14: 53
        +3
        Quote: 31rus
        "Thor" is not for sale

        Why did it happen? No. Offshore exports were carried out to Venezuela, Iran, China, Greece, Egypt. Well, maybe I forgot someone else ...
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  • tezey
    tezey 23 October 2015 16: 47
    0
    Quote: marlin1203
    Maybe better, but they didn't buy ours. Despite many years of "friendship" ... Just
    business. sad

    Well, we bought it. For ours, not just ours, just for the sake of exhilaration, the Vietnamese will let us dig. Purely out of curiosity.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 17: 24
    +4
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    All we can, it's up to the promising Buk-M3.

    But there is no promising Buk-M3 yet ...

    Quote: cherkas.oe
    To press their diasporas, including robbers, in Russia, to pinch to the nail and the mistake will right away be corrected, for one and the corrupt officials who cover the underground production of the Vietnamese to transplant.

    Wow. Let every country that will not buy our weapons so spread rot. 10 years will pass and we do not need the enemy. Everything is turned away from us ...

    Quote: Amurets
    Moreover, our export complexes differed sharply in equipment from ours, which were in service with the USSR air defense.

    Unfortunately, Nikolai, unfortunately. We in export products give characteristics worse than in our own. And then we wonder why they buy from others
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 October 2015 04: 13
      +3
      Old26 Volodya! When we on KapYar, on the basis of a complete set, received new complexes from industry, on the next site there were export complexes after overhaul. In one cabin the factory workers worked and we were able to look into it. We were struck by the wretchedness of the equipment and even got it stuck for stopping by someone else’s cabin. Silence-silent then did not doze off.
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 17: 25
    +4
    Quote: Theseus
    Well, we bought it. For ours, not just ours, just for the sake of exhilaration, the Vietnamese will let us dig. Purely out of curiosity.

    Sure. What will give digging?
  • Old26
    Old26 23 October 2015 17: 25
    0
    Quote: Theseus
    Well, we bought it. For ours, not just ours, just for the sake of exhilaration, the Vietnamese will let us dig. Purely out of curiosity.

    Sure. What will give digging?
  • Vivan
    Vivan 23 October 2015 21: 22
    +8
    Want to hear the opinion of a Vietnamese? My opinion, of course, does not pretend to be true, but just a hunch. Sometime a few months ago I read on the net an article of a Vietnamese general who analyzed the Anglo-Argentine conflict (Falkland Islands, 1982) and came to the conclusion that “we should diversify our armaments so as not to fall into the then position of Argentina” .

    What exactly happened to Argentina then? At the beginning of the conflict, the armed forces of Argentina seemingly successfully resisted the British fleet, however, at the request of the latter, France cut off supplies of air-sea missiles to Argentina, and Argentina began to erupt. And in the end, she lost the war.

    In my opinion, the Vietnamese leadership is aware that in the strategic plan, China is much more important to Russia than Vietnam, and in the event of a military clash between Vietnam and China, Russia can satisfy the request of China and completely stop the supply of arms to Vietnam. So Vietnam should build a good relationship with Israel in advance right now, with the expectation of a possible war in the future. In addition, Israeli complexes may be inferior to Russian complexes, but their technical characteristics are unknown to the Chinese.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 24 October 2015 05: 03
      +1
      Vivan. Everything is correct. All eggs are not put in one basket. Here I agree with you.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 24 October 2015 17: 38
    -1
    Quote: Saburo
    This is not the first time. Not so long ago, Kalashnikov lost to Galil as the main machine for the Vietnamese army.

    Lose to yourself? The praised Galil is an imitation of the Israelis by the Chinese; instead of acquiring a license, they decided to pay nothing and get the same Kalashnikov, a side view.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 October 2015 17: 46
      -2
      Quote: Mentat
      The praised Galil is an imitation of the Israelis by the Chinese; instead of acquiring a license, they decided to pay nothing and get the same Kalashnikov, a side view.

      Duc Galil is a legitimate licensed version officially acquired. fool
      1. Ajent cho
        Ajent cho 24 October 2015 22: 10
        +1
        Galil legal licensed version
        Kalashnikov?
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 October 2015 07: 54
          0
          Quote: Ajent Cho
          Kalashnikov?

          Of course. The Finns acquired a license from the USSR, Israel acquired a license from the Finns.

          Quote: Mentat
          Who did you buy the license from, who delegated the rights of Finland to issue secondary licenses?

          We bought from the Finns and I don’t remember the USSR suing Finland for reselling the license. Can you remind us when the copyright for Kalashnikov was filed? And they were generally issued? wink So Israel could not pay at all for any license at all and absolutely legitimately copy Kalashnikov. Learn the materiel.
  • Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 24 October 2015 22: 20
    0
    Vietnam bought in Israel SAM SPYDER
    For those who think that Vietnam has turned its back on Russia: during the Amer invasion, Vietnam had two main suppliers of weapons - the Soviet Union and China. Ho-Chi-Ming very competently maneuvered between the countries at that time in a quarrel, receiving preferences from both governments.
    Since then - nothing has changed. And our polymers will be bought as before.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 25 October 2015 03: 22
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Mentat
    The praised Galil is an imitation of the Israelis by the Chinese; instead of acquiring a license, they decided to pay nothing and get the same Kalashnikov, a side view.

    Duc Galil is a legitimate licensed version officially acquired. fool

    Yes, tap your forehead. Who did you buy the license from, who delegated the rights of Finland to issue secondary licenses? The Chinese version in its purest form from engineering poverty.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 October 2015 22: 17
    0
    The news in the original sounded like: instead of the Pantsir C1 complex, Vietnam bought an Israeli-made complex. In any case, the missile manufacturer is Israel and the radar manufacturer is Israel. In the event of a war, there are guarantees that third countries will not interfere with the delivery of missiles. For example, a similar German complex uses American missiles.