Panfilov! Meet the reinforcement!

Comrades generals and officers, warrant officers, foremen and sergeants, soldiers and sailors, retired, reserve, urgent and contract service! Workers, founders, individual entrepreneurs, office workers, civil servants, clergymen, farmers and collective farmers! Brothers and sisters! 14 July 2015, in the historical and temporary rear of the Panfilov team, was led by a sabotage group led by the Director of the State Archives of the Russian Federation S.V. Mironenko with the task of making an ideological raid, spitting on memory and diminishing the feat of the Soviet soldiers who stopped the German offensive against Moscow. The actions of the sabotage group were blocked by combined forces, including the readers of the Military Survey (see the article "Shots in the back Panfilov“). In order to finally crush ideological saboteurs, the non-governmental organization“ Commonwealth of Eurasian Peoples ”planned and, starting October 24, begins to implement a set of measures to defeat the forces that want to trample the memory of the people and destroy the last foundations for patriotic education. descendants. Panfilov heroes, meet reinforcements!




Tomorrow, 24 in October 2015 in Orenburg will be the start of the International Watch for the memory “We are millions of Panfilov’s”, dedicated to the anniversary of the battle for Moscow and the immortal feat of 28 of Panfilov’s heroes inscribed in golden letters in the annals of the Great Patriotic War.

The initiator of the memory watch was the public organization "Commonwealth of Eurasian Peoples". The main goal of the international
one action is the unification of the patriotic forces of Russia, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, opposition to distortion stories, the frequent cases of the substitution of facts of the Great Patriotic War for false myths.

In Salut, Victory! Park on October 24 in 9: 30, a solemn opening ceremony of the watch of memory and the transfer of the share standard to the next participant will be held. The cities of Russia will take the baton: Chelyabinsk, Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk, Ufa, as well as the cities of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, the finish will be held in Moscow at the Monument to the Panfilov heroes.

Let us recall ourselves and tell the children how, during the critical months for the country, the inhabitants of Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan formed the legendary Panfilov Division, linking them to the military fraternity with the peoples of Russia. In the ranks of the division from October 1941 to May 1945, a native of the Orenburg Territory died or went missing 91, 48 of our countrymen were awarded military orders and medals.

As part of the October 24 events in Orenburg will be held:

09: 30-10: 30 - The inauguration of the “Watch of Memory - Us Millions of Panfilovs” (park “Salute, Victory!”, Orenburg) with the participation of World War II veterans, students of the city, students of the cadet school, delegations from Moscow, Chelyabinsk, Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan (up to 400 person).

11: 00-14: 00 - International round table "The martial fraternity of nations in the Great Patriotic War (countering the falsification of history)" with exhibitions of front-line letters, archival documents, books, finds of search teams on the battlefield sites. (NK Krupskaya Regional Universal Scientific Library).

14: 00-15: 00 - A visit to the Orenburg Governor’s Museum of Local History with an exposition of genuine battle banners of the 14 divisions formed during the war years in the Orenburg region.

In the Regional Universal Scientific Library. N.K. Krupskaya at 11: 00 will host the International Round Table “Combat Brotherhood of Nations in the Great Patriotic War (counteracting the falsification of history)”.

Our cause is right! The enemy will be defeated, Victory will be ours!
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  1. ratfly 24 October 2015 06: 12 New
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    Not one step back!
    1. Watchdog 24 October 2015 07: 19 New
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      Our cause is just, we will win!
      1. vovanpain 24 October 2015 07: 40 New
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        Hello comrades, so my opinion is that it should first of all be in the heart, the memory of having both your children and grandchildren talk about that terrible war, because it affected everyone, in every family there are dead relatives and war veterans, and today such figures as Mironenko they simply destroy our memory of those days, so you have to give it to the head so that they themselves do not forget thanks to whom we now live.
        1. Starover_Z 24 October 2015 09: 36 New
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          Quote: vovanpain
          and today such figures as Mironenko simply destroy our memory of those days

          Even Kozma Prutkov said: "See the root!"
          It is interesting, and on whose side did the ancestors of this Mironenko and his associates fight ?!
          1. vovanpain 24 October 2015 10: 04 New
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            Quote: Starover_Z
            Quote: vovanpain
            and today such figures as Mironenko simply destroy our memory of those days

            Even Kozma Prutkov said: "See the root!"
            It is interesting, and on whose side did the ancestors of this Mironenko and his associates fight ?!

            What I don’t know, I don’t know, but Mironenko and her comrades-in-arms seem to be fighting for mattress and liberal grants, rewriting history as they like.
            1. Talgat 24 October 2015 11: 33 New
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              There is a park of 28 Panfilov’s heroes in the center of Almaty - and now, although there is no USSR, this place is carefully preserved, it is a favorite place for family walks, an oasis of silence in the center of the metropolis,

              And the center of the Park is a grandiose monument to the heroes of Panfilov’s - our fellow countrymen who came to the aid of the capital - Moscow to protect them from hordes of European barbarians

              Not a single wedding in Almaty is complete without laying flowers at the monument to fallen heroes

              Also, Kazakhstan honors the memory of the red commander - subsequently General Panfilov’s Baurzhan Momysh-ula
              1. brasist 24 October 2015 13: 24 New
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                Let the army and the country finally recognize their proud names. The trenches were Klotchkov Basil G., Dobrobabin Ivan Evstafievich, Shepetkov Ivan Kryuchkov Abram I. Mitin Gavriil Stepanovich, Casa Alikbay, Petrenko Yavlinsky, Esibulatov Narsutbay, Kaleynikov Dmitry Mitrofanovich, Natarov Ivan Moiseevich, Shemyakin Grigory Mikhailovich, Dutov Peter Danilovich, Mitchenko Nikita Shopokov Duishenkul, Konkin Grigori, Shadrin Ivan Demidovich, EHKO Nicholas Yemtsov Peter Kuzmich, Kuzhebergenov Daniil Timofeev Dmitry Fomichev, Trofimov Nikolay Ignatievich Bondarenko Yakov, Vasily Larionov Romanovich, Belashev Nikolai Nikonorovich, Bezrodnyi Gregory Sengirbaev Musabek , Maksimov Nikolay, Ananyev Nikolay ...
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              2. O_s_c_a_R 26 October 2015 08: 16 New
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                I confirm
            2. Koshak 24 October 2015 18: 35 New
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              Quote: vovanpain
              What I don’t know, I don’t know, but Mironenko and her comrades-in-arms seem to be fighting for mattress and liberal grants, rewriting history as they like.

              The surname Mironenko causes me vague doubts. But if this "Cossack" was sent to us from the Svidomo state.
          2. AlexTires 24 October 2015 10: 48 New
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            most likely on his .....
          3. navigator 26 October 2015 09: 35 New
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            "It is interesting, and on whose side did the ancestors of this Mironenko and his associates fight ?!"

            Most likely on no one, they were waiting for someone to take.
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          5. OlegLex 26 October 2015 12: 55 New
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            it is difficult to answer why, and On whose side, However, Mr. Mironenko can be safely put and even asserted that there is no place in the position that he currently holds.
        2. go21zd45few 25 October 2015 16: 49 New
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          The fact that Mironenko is a bastard is a fact, but there are a full cabinet of such bastards.
          What the Ministry of Education does, it completely erases the memory of the younger generation about that feat of the peoples of the USSR in the Second World War. Those who went through the horrors of that war and who can tell children the truth are few, there is nothing at all in the history textbooks, or materials are distorted. We are turning into Ivanovs who do not remember kinship thanks to people like Mironenko and Minister Livanov.
          1. DMB_95 26 October 2015 13: 40 New
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            The theme of the Great Patriotic War and Victory in it should be legally approved as the main and obligatory for detailed study in ANY educational institution, regardless of whether it is a private paid gymnasium or a normal rural school. In our country, only a person who has studied Our History of Our country should have the right to obtain a certificate of successful completion of a school or other similar educational institution. Teachers must also pass through certification on knowledge of History, before admitting them to the teaching of any subject.
        3. msm
          msm 25 October 2015 17: 42 New
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          The Soviet people and without any far-fetched heroes showed amazing courage and courage. Glory to the heroes of the Second World War at all times!
      2. Observer2014 24 October 2015 08: 04 New
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        Oh, speak! Hmm, vague doubts creep in!
      3. Imperialkolorad 24 October 2015 09: 07 New
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        No pasaran!
    2. perm23 26 October 2015 06: 03 New
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      Well, that time has come for us for our fathers, for our grandfathers, for their feat and bright memory to stand up. So that this abomination could not pass. They have defended our lives, now we need to defend their memory and the lives of our children. Together. And forgive us fallen heroes that such scum lives among us.
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    Riv 24 October 2015 06: 12 New
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    "The Commonwealth of the Peoples of Eurasia," say? PR as they can. It seems that the topic is correct, and all that ... but somehow disgusting.
    1. Babr 24 October 2015 06: 50 New
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      Quote: Riv
      but somehow disgusting.

      Probably disgusting from the fact that this is another PR campaign.
      Today they shouted cheers, for tomorrow they forgot.
      It is disgusting that Panfilov’s do not live in their hearts, but as if they are being driven there with a stick.
      1. rf xnumx 24 October 2015 08: 24 New
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        Quote: Babr
        It is disgusting that Panfilov’s do not live in their hearts, but as if they are being driven there with a stick.

        I know a lot of people who Panfilov’s live in their heart, without any pathos and PR
        1. Babr 24 October 2015 09: 20 New
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          Quote: treble 72019
          Quote: Babr
          It is disgusting that Panfilov’s do not live in their hearts, but as if they are being driven there with a stick.

          I know a lot of people who Panfilov’s live in their heart, without any pathos and PR

          Yes, and I have them there too. I think on the site and there is no person claiming the opposite.
          1. Starley from the south 26 October 2015 20: 42 New
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            Quote: Babr
            I think on the site and there is no person claiming the opposite.

            But not so long ago, first-graders in the Moscow region were taught to read on the description of the feat of the Panfilov heroes. And it remained in their souls for life!
      2. lelikas 24 October 2015 10: 43 New
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        Quote: Babr
        It is disgusting that Panfilov’s do not live in their hearts, but as if they are being driven there with a stick.

        Come on, the "Immortal Regiment" was also conceived in order to show the world the death toll, and the people took and did their own way, so much so that everything in a ** e!
      3. Simon 25 October 2015 17: 20 New
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        PR! But what did the Nazis stop near Moscow? Although they had a few hours walk to Moscow! Probably wanted to relax? There were Panfilov’s, there were these heroes who stopped in front of Moscow, this fascist horde. And these, all sorts of Mironenko must be removed from the state. archive. Such clever people have nothing to do there, which spits on our people, on our memory and on our ideals. am
        1. anderles66 26 October 2015 13: 38 New
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          And you almost guessed. And Moscow and Stalingrad and Kursk happened solely due to the fact that the Wehrmacht command visited Nechochuha. True, I read opus about it. And the main Wicked was in Berlin, for which Germany paid in the 45th.
      4. Nick 25 October 2015 20: 08 New
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        Quote: Babr
        It is disgusting that Panfilov’s do not live in their hearts, but as if they are being driven there with a stick.

        Do not judge everyone by yourself
    2. Koshak 24 October 2015 18: 38 New
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      Quote: Riv
      "The Commonwealth of the Peoples of Eurasia," say? PR as they can. It seems that the topic is correct, and all that ... but somehow disgusting.

      A fly in the ointment (or shit) counted!
    3. Nick 25 October 2015 20: 07 New
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      Quote: Riv
      "The Commonwealth of the Peoples of Eurasia," say? PR as they can. It seems that the topic is correct, and all that ... but somehow disgusting.

      It’s disgusting to look at your profile picture -
  3. w3554152 24 October 2015 06: 27 New
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    "The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours." I. Stalin
    1. Dry_T-50 24 October 2015 21: 01 New
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      Quote: w3554152
      "The enemy will be defeated. Victory will be ours." I. Stalin

      Molotov ...
  4. hauptman7 24 October 2015 06: 28 New
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    Thank you good !!! And then if it goes on like that, we’ll think what kind of thread "captain America" ​​saved us
    1. NewDoctor 26 October 2015 07: 52 New
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      Well, Americans believe that Private Ryan saved everyone by killing Hitler in a bunker during the Iraq war in Vietnam
  5. Gormenghast 24 October 2015 06: 49 New
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    I never read the vile gamut denying the fact of the Panfilov’s feat.

    At school, by the way, he wrote an essay about them; but this was when they did not hear about any prostitute historians.

    That way, and soon Gagarin "expose"; already"expose"- instead of Gagarin, Ilyushin allegedly flew, who was injured after landing, and instead of him Gagarin was allegedly stuck out.
    1. Manul 24 October 2015 09: 31 New
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      Quote: Gormengast
      Soon, Gagarin will also be "exposed"; they’re already “exposing” - instead of Gagarin, Ilyushin allegedly flew, who was injured after landing, and instead of him Gagarin was allegedly popped out.

      Liberast exposes everyone; this is their long-term plan-program. And Lomonosov, and Pushkin, and Mendeleev .. Only earlier, most of the population tried to harass this, although it was already choking on the fact that somehow everything was too bad with us, and now the administration has completely become impoverished. They must be crushed. No mines.
      1. Sling cutter 24 October 2015 14: 57 New
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        we often blame the ruin for decommunization ... but what happens in our native land.
        We are at war with the memory of the people, history is being rewritten, there are as many examples as you like: Panfilov’s, execution in Katyn, Kosmodemyanskaya, Sailors, films like “penal battalion”, blackening of the Chairman of the GKO I.V. Stalin ...
        And the last glaring example with the logo of the 70th anniversary of the Victory from which the symbols of the USSR- the country of the winner in the Great Patriotic War were removed!
        And all this is done at the state level.

        But We will fight for the blessed Memory of our fighters, commanders, partisans, blockade workers, home front workers who defeated Nazi Germany and liberated Europe from fascism!
  6. bakhit 24 October 2015 07: 00 New
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    The stock is right. I support. During the battle of Moscow, the Nazis called the division "wild", and they were terribly afraid of it. And when in Latvia the division was surrounded and the Nazis learned that they were Panfilov’s, the Nazis were ordered not to take any prisoners. So they wanted to avenge them for Mosciu
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      During the battle of Moscow, the Nazis called the division "wild", and they were terribly afraid of it. And when in Latvia the division was surrounded and the Nazis learned that they were Panfilov’s, the Nazis were ordered not to take any prisoners. So they wanted to avenge them for Mosciu

      mythology. such a mythology.
  7. Vorchun 24 October 2015 07: 01 New
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    Why this announcement appeared so late, now (08:56 Orenburg) looked at V.O. and found out, I don’t have time for the park. In the news - yesterday, the day before yesterday, etc. There was nothing. About any crap - as much as you like, but you will recognize this in hindsight, as if on purpose, so that they knew less.
  8. illreality 24 October 2015 07: 03 New
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    I live in Moscow, on the street of Heroes Panfilovtsev.
    I am 37, and probably because of this I know both about Panfilov’s division and about Beloborodov’s division — their veterans came to us, pioneers, to schools, for the lessons of Courage.
    Today, Saturday, I’m shooting a video, asking children on our street what they know about this story.
    1. Manul 24 October 2015 09: 35 New
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      Today, Saturday, I’m shooting a video, asking children on our street what they know about this story.

      Not afraid to be upset? And if everyone tells you that they don’t know anything? You at least print and hand out brochures with general correct information. Then you look next time they will answer.
    2. Manul 24 October 2015 09: 54 New
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      Quote: illreality
      Today, Saturday, I’m shooting a video, asking children on our street what they know about this story.

      Quote: Manul
      print brochures with general correct information


      PS Teachers should tell this at school. And it is unlikely that parents have time and business to disclose something to their children in detail. And if you hand out leaflets on your street describing the exploit of Panfilov’s, this will be your contribution to the education of the younger generation.
  9. samara-58 24 October 2015 07: 31 New
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    They were, we are, the descendants will be, thanks to them !!! Glory to YOU ​​fathers and grandfathers!
    1. Tektor 24 October 2015 11: 52 New
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      We are all Panfilov’s ...
  10. 1536 24 October 2015 07: 53 New
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    I support! If there is a rally or demonstration in support of 28 Panfilov’s heroes, I’ll go. The insults that the negligent "scientist" inflicted on the memory of the heroes cannot be forgotten, so you must definitely speak out in defense of the heroes of the Great Patriotic War.
    Outrage, burned INION, in the central archives, apparently, "liberalism", complete confusion and reeling, because not one of the historians, archival specialists working there, did not defend the Heroes. The university, which prepares archivists, has been turned into a hotbed of Americanism and "liberal values." What's next? Archival ISIS will come when they will destroy the past and mock the history of the country, the people? We must fight this!
  11. kartalovkolya 24 October 2015 09: 42 New
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    The most incomprehensible thing in all this "ugly bustle" around the Defense of Moscow is the slurred position of our supreme authority: the outspoken enemy and revisionist of our history continues to occupy the post of the main custodian of this story, which he, with relish, "has been overwhelmed"! It doesn’t matter how many and where German tanks were hit, but this bastard Mironenko was stopped by at least one, but in general does he even know what it is to fight off enemy attacks under fire? So who gave him the right to judge the truth or untruth about the Panfilovites! Belolentniki "quiet glanders," stealthily undermine the merits of all the people in the Victory over fascism, you can’t deceive us, but today's youth, trained according to their textbooks, may doubt the heroic past of their people and their Army! And these same "creeps" at one time started a company to rehabilitate the traitor Vlasov and other scum of all "stripes" and they are still "rummaging" in our archives ?! WHY???? It's time to put things in order not only in education, but also in the Archival and Historical Affairs!
  12. Stas57 24 October 2015 09: 52 New
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    International round table
    ***
    Our cause is right! The enemy will be defeated, Victory will be ours!


    no one will be defeated by stupid round tables and visiting museums by "participants in the rally"!


    Probes, shovels and archival documents and to restore the good, but completely forgotten name of the dead soldiers.
    Internet videos, 3 animation, docfilms and presentations.
    schools and schools
    and other, other, other useful things
    and this pathos crap will never be known to anyone
  13. cth; fyn 24 October 2015 09: 54 New
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    And what did this archiver prove? The fact that they were not there 28? So what? They stopped the fascists and this is a fact.
  14. Straight 24 October 2015 10: 17 New
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    This Mirononenko must be removed from office, and if his bosses do not remove him, then such bosses must also be driven to the neck!
  15. fairmen 24 October 2015 10: 23 New
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    It doesn’t matter how many there were, but the fact that the men in the literal sense of the word stopped the tanks with grenades and anti-tank rifles so that this T BARP would then pour mud on them to drive him into the crook’s neck
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    To the aid of the Panfilov’s their grateful descendants are nominated. Panfilov heroes, meet reinforcements!

    We were brought up on the example of the feat of Panfilov’s. Panfilovtsy, we are proud of you and remember!
    An evil autumn was spinning in the field,
    The late foliage rustled.
    There were only twenty eight
    And behind was Moscow.

    They are steel monsters
    Crawling, closing a semicircle.
    “So let's protect Moscow, family!” -
    The guards told the political instructor.

    Bottles and grenades are flying
    The last battle is always harsh.
    “So for Moscow, for us guys!” -
    Last time, Klochkov screams.

    Enemy tanks did not miss
    Heroes of their homeland.
    In the damp earth lie the remains
    The bodies of the warriors lie.

    An evil autumn was spinning in a field;
    Opal late foliage.
    There were only twenty eight
    And behind was Moscow

    http://sovmusic.ru/text.php?fname=pesnya48
  17. Earnest 24 October 2015 10: 35 New
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    Quote: Stas57

    no one will be defeated by stupid round tables and visiting museums by "participants in the rally"!
    ... and this pathos crap will never be known to anyone

    Quote: Riv
    "The Commonwealth of the Peoples of Eurasia," say? PR as they can. It seems that the topic is correct, and all that ... but somehow disgusting.

    Stupid, say ... Yes, let it be at least one hundred governors and five hundred deputies publicized, let the park "Salute, Victory" a little scarce exhibits - people really organized and executed. Even if the 1 student learns something about his story, it’s not for nothing that the “fools at the table” and the “participants of the run” gathered. You have now done the same thing as Director Mironenko - in pursuit of the “truth” you have outstripped the real efforts of enthusiasts. How many trips did you personally organize? Filmed videos? Have any presentations? And here is a real event. In Orenburg. Remember the quote: "To the aunt, in the wilderness, to Saratov"? And we remember. Therefore, the divisions appear at the right time from nowhere, from the "village, backwoods, Saratov" and become legendary. Panfilovskaya - from Alma-Ata, is now part of the Armed Forces of Kyrgyzstan. And remember her - in Orenburg. In the backwoods. It will be hard near Moscow - be patient. We will come.
    1. Babr 24 October 2015 10: 46 New
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      Well, you my friend and bent. 1 student. This is mouse fuss. Until at the State level, such a question will not be posed, there will be no sense.
      But he is not interested in the ruling elite; otherwise, historical justice would have been restored long ago
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      Stupid, say ... Yes, let it be at least one hundred governors and five hundred deputies publicized, let the park "Salute, Victory" a little scarce exhibits - people really organized and executed. Even if the 1 student learns something about his story, it’s not for nothing that the “fools at the table” and the “participants of the run” gathered.

      It's great! Divine!

      but in general it’s stupid to pour such money into the education of one student.

      How many trips did you personally organize? Filmed videos? Have any presentations?

      pisulkami compare?
      Well, come on, I personally have 2 books on military history, which are well sold both in the Russian Federation and in the West.
      41 website.
      participant in search teams, medals, letters of appreciation, thanks and round tables.
      By the way, about the table, I’m telling you, such a round table is going to take place, eminent, powerful, deputy, note ...!
      everyone is sitting, broadcasting:
      - you need to save your memory!
      -Of course it is!
      -I must fight back!
      - Of course it is.
      Well, that's it. And not, another article in the newspaper and a report on tivi.
      This table will not be painted with any monument to the dead soldiers, it will not be restored with a single name in the archive, it’s all yap and scratching the tongues to the public!

      for example, the museum of our guys, all on their own




      And here is a real event.

      but what is its reality? - they will drive the schoolchildren into the hall to listen to the boring reports of uncles and aunts, so the schoolboy will bury himself in the hats


      You have now done the same thing as Director Mironenko - in pursuit of the "truth" have outstripped the real efforts of enthusiasts

      I'll tell you about the pursuit of truth and about the indefatigable enthusiasts

      I know a man of 10 historians who said Schallope- friend, well, do not touch the topic, the ram will climb, the muddy story comes out there.


      friend touched, libestion did not remain indifferent. Reacted instantly.
      But it was necessary to beat ahead of time, and cut liberalism a year or two ago and at the root.

      but here liberalism is very technically sophisticated, it’s specially deliberately substituted for a blow, and I think that it was not without intent that it was substituted .... but there is a war for the minds, and the war is dirty.

      What was needed? Yes, it was not necessary to make a movie, but a powerful website and documentary on Russia 1 and 2, where to say yes, 28 is a myth, but it does not matter.
      But it’s important that Panfilov’s division really fought and really defended Moscow, and it wasn’t alone, it was with Katukov’s tankers, with artillery, and also with Dovator’s cavalry, with Ilyinsky cadets, with many and many defenders from Tula to Dmitrov — these are real feats ****.

      Isaev spoke about this 2 about a year ago.
      It was necessary to promptly throw all documents on the division into the MO site, create 3D cards, animations and more.

      And after that, Mironenko could even jump naked and shake anything.
      And there was a sensation, and the voices of reason drowned in the abyss of screams.
      None of this was done, as a result, every student opening the Wikipedia sees that 28 is a myth, but there is no powerful counter-response!




      the result, and here they take the schoolchildren, and on a watch, so that the boy himself finds the old PPS, and even after that he lives in a tent, so that he shoots from a gun, this, but for the story about the heroes behind the common cauldron, is for life, and a round table .... stupidity and boredom
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  22. warrior1979 24 October 2015 10: 42 New
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    Historian Sergei Mironenko felt a kick in the ass and collapsed on the frozen bottom of the trench. Still not believing what was happening, he got up and looked up. On the edge of the trench, the soldiers of the Red Army stood in a semicircle.
    - This is the last? - clarified one of the military, apparently the commander.
    “That's right, comrade political instructor!” - the soldier reported, whose kick sent the director of the State Archive to the trench.
    - Excuse me, what's going on? The historian muttered.
    “How is it going?” - grinned the political instructor. - The establishment of historical justice. Now you, Mironenko, will save Moscow from the Nazi invaders.
    Politruk pointed to a field on which several dozen German tanks froze in anticipation. Tankers climbed onto the towers and, shivering from the cold, watched with interest what was happening at Russian positions.
    - I? Why me? - Mironenko asked in shock. “What do I have to do with this?”
    “The most direct,” answered the political instructor. - All of you here have the most direct relation to this!
    The commander pointed Mironenko to the trench and the historian saw that it was full of respected people: there were already academician Pivovarov and his nephew-journalist, Svanidze was sitting by the machine gun with bulging eyes, next to him was the main de-regulator Fedotov, who was trembling from the cold, or from horror , further there were still familiar faces, but the frightened archivist completely forgot their names.
    “What are we all doing here?” - asked Mironenko. - This is not our era!
    The soldiers laughed together. Not only Russians but also Germans laughed, and even the recently killed German tanker, trying to maintain decency and pretending not to hear anything, nevertheless, shuddered with laughter.
    - Yes? - the political instructor was surprised. “But you all tell in such detail how it really was!” You explain with foam at the mouth that we threw Hitler with corpses. It’s you shouting that the people won the war, not the commanders, and especially not Stalin. You explain to everyone that Soviet heroes are a myth! You yourself, Mironenko, told us that we were a myth!
    - Excuse me, are you political instructor Klochkov? - asked Mironenko.
    “Exactly,” the commander replied. - And these are my fighters who are destined to lay their heads in this battle at the Dubosekovo junction! But you, Mironenko, assured that everything was not so, that all these heroes are a propaganda myth! And you know what we decided? We decided to really be a myth. And defend Moscow to trust trusted and reliable people. In particular, to you!
    - And you? The historian asked quietly.
    “And we are in the rear,” one of the fighters answered. - The guys and I were thinking to die for our homeland, for Stalin, but since we are a myth, why should we substitute bullets for nothing? Fight for yourself!
    “Hey Russians, how long have you been?” - shouted a cold German tanker.
    “Now, Hans, now,” the political instructor waved to him. - You see, Mironenko, time does not endure. It is time for you to defend your homeland.
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      Damn !! Well, why can’t I put a hundred pluses?
      At least for such cases, exceptions were made. crying
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    Then the TV presenter Pivovarov jumped out of the trench and rushed briskly towards the Germans with raised hands. In his hands he held white pants, which he was actively waving.
    “What a shame,” said one of the fighters.
    “Don’t worry,” Klochkov chuckled. - This is not our shame.
    Two German tankers caught Pivovarov and dragged him by the arms to the trench, dropping him down.
    “Schweine,” the German swore, looking at his overalls. “This hero of yours has pissed me off my leg with fear!”
    The second tankman shot Panfilov’s people to smoke and, drawing out, said:
    - Yes, comrades, you're out of luck! And for these here you were dying! Really in our Vaterland same grew? ..
    “No, comrade,” one of the Panfilov responded to him. “You now have none.” Only buggers and Turks.
    - And who are the buggers? - the German specified.
    A Red Army soldier whispered an answer to the aggressor in his ear. The face of the German was flooded with shame. Waving his hand, he went to the tank.
    “Let's end with us quickly,” he said. “I want to die from such things again.”
    Svanidze rushed from the trench to the political instructor.
    - Comrade commander, you misunderstood me, I didn’t say anything like that! And then, I can’t, I have a “white ticket”, I have poor eyesight and an ulcer!
    Politruk confidentially leaned towards Svanidze:
    - Do you think the tyrant Stalin was worried? He bombarded the enemy with cannon fodder! And even more so, I'm not your commander. You have your own - experienced and proven! Here he comes!
    From the depths of the trench Nikita Mikhalkov came to the place of conversation, holding a shovel from his hand.
    - Comrade political instructor, how can this be fought against tanks? - the director begged.
    “You know better,” the commander answered. “You already did this.” Yes, by the way, your beds are there. You can quickly establish anti-tank defense from them! Well, or pray, or something. Maybe help!
    Then the political instructor ordered the construction of his fighters.
    - Where are you going? - Mikhalkov asked with a longing in his voice.
    - Where to? - the political instructor grinned. - Take a position in your rear! The NKVD detachment is not at hand, so we ourselves will replace it! And if some scum from your penal battalion rushes out of position, we will shoot on the spot for cowardice and treason!
    - So there are no penal battles yet!
    - One created. Especially for you!
    German tanks roared engines. Desperate screams and swearing were heard in the trench - the new defenders of Moscow found out who was the first to expose the myths and dragged them into this story. Fedotov was beaten all together, after which he was thrown out of the trench under a German tank with a bottle. Someone shouted goodbye to him:
    - Well, for the Motherland, for Stalin!
    Mikhalkov clung to the outgoing political officer:
    - Comrade, my father fought, I was always a patriot and defender of heroes, help me!
    “Only out of respect for you,” the political instructor answered. - I give a great tool to fight the enemy! As good as it gets!
    And the commander handed the director a badminton racket and three shuttlecocks.
    “Farewell, your homeland will not forget you,” Mikhalkov, the political instructor, patted goodbye and rushed after his departing fighters ...
    1. Kilo-11 24 October 2015 17: 05 New
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      Just great !!! Dmitry, according to your plot, such a small film could have turned out not very bad. Especially good about Mr. Mikhalkov and his “true” contribution to the history of the Great Patriotic War.
      1. Old warrior 24 October 2015 17: 46 New
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        Fuck !!!!! Good script !!!!
        Mikhalkov must be ordered to make a film .... How he fucked up defending Moscow! laughing
    2. Kilo-11 24 October 2015 17: 48 New
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      Not a big addition-offer-the second number on the machine gun, to Svanidze, Fedya Bondarchuk.
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  24. roskot 24 October 2015 10: 56 New
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    Mironenko’s wish from Stalin’s comrade.
  25. Denis Skiff 24 October 2015 12: 11 New
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    Quote: warrior1979
    Then the TV presenter Pivovarov jumped out of the trench and rushed briskly towards the Germans with raised hands. In his hands he held white pants, which he was actively waving.
    “What a shame,” said one of the fighters.
    “Don’t worry,” Klochkov chuckled. - This is not our shame.
    Two German tankers caught Pivovarov and dragged him by the arms to the trench, dropping him down.
    “Schweine,” the German swore, looking at his overalls. “This hero of yours has pissed me off my leg with fear!”
    The second tankman shot Panfilov’s people to smoke and, drawing out, said:
    - Yes, comrades, you're out of luck! And for these here you were dying! Really in our Vaterland same grew? ..
    “No, comrade,” one of the Panfilov responded to him. “You now have none.” Only buggers and Turks.
    - And who are the buggers? - the German specified.
    A Red Army soldier whispered an answer to the aggressor in his ear. The face of the German was flooded with shame. Waving his hand, he went to the tank.
    “Let's end with us quickly,” he said. “I want to die from such things again.”
    Svanidze rushed from the trench to the political instructor.
    - Comrade commander, you misunderstood me, I didn’t say anything like that! And then, I can’t, I have a “white ticket”, I have poor eyesight and an ulcer!
    Politruk confidentially leaned towards Svanidze:
    - Do you think the tyrant Stalin was worried? He bombarded the enemy with cannon fodder! And even more so, I'm not your commander. You have your own - experienced and proven! Here he comes!
    From the depths of the trench Nikita Mikhalkov came to the place of conversation, holding a shovel from his hand.
    - Comrade political instructor, how can this be fought against tanks? - the director begged.
    “You know better,” the commander answered. “You already did this.” Yes, by the way, your beds are there. You can quickly establish anti-tank defense from them! Well, or pray, or something. Maybe help!
    Then the political instructor ordered the construction of his fighters.
    - Where are you going? - Mikhalkov asked with a longing in his voice.
    - Where to? - the political instructor grinned. - Take a position in your rear! The NKVD detachment is not at hand, so we ourselves will replace it! And if some scum from your penal battalion rushes out of position, we will shoot on the spot for cowardice and treason!
    - So there are no penal battles yet!
    - One created. Especially for you!
    German tanks roared engines. Desperate screams and swearing were heard in the trench - the new defenders of Moscow found out who was the first to expose the myths and dragged them into this story. Fedotov was beaten all together, after which he was thrown out of the trench under a German tank with a bottle. Someone shouted goodbye to him:
    - Well, for the Motherland, for Stalin!
    Mikhalkov clung to the outgoing political officer:
    - Comrade, my father fought, I was always a patriot and defender of heroes, help me!
    “Only out of respect for you,” the political instructor answered. - I give a great tool to fight the enemy! As good as it gets!
    And the commander handed the director a badminton racket and three shuttlecocks.
    “Farewell, your homeland will not forget you,” Mikhalkov, the political instructor, patted goodbye and rushed after his departing fighters ...

    Well, if you put such an avatar, at least nickname in Russian scribble))
  26. VL33 24 October 2015 12: 39 New
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    I had a good friend, a veteran, and we agreed that every year before May 9 and September 23 (the day of the liberation of Poltava from the Nazis) I take him to school with my son and daughter to conduct a memory lesson to tell what the Second World War is. At 15 he went to the front from Donets to Berlin! After the war, such a strong man became a writer himself a journalist. The injuries were light and severe. In general, the lessons were held with a bang with the voice acting of the songs of Katyusha, Victory Day and etc. The children’s eyes burned and were concentrated, everyone asked and the veteran congratulated. It was pleasant to my heart that the children would learn the truth about the war about their great-grandfathers-warriors.
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    Quote: Stas57

    but in general it’s stupid to pour such money into the education of one student.

    And how much is not stupid? Where is the border? If N rubles, then remember Panfilov, and if for N-1, no?
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    pisulkami compare? Well, come on, I personally have 2 books on military history, which are well sold both in Russia and in the West. 41 website.

    Come on, let's face it. How many bullet wounds do you have? And fragmentation? Did you get a lieutenant colonel in 30 years? You, like me, in the 32, the commission after the complications? And how many years of service with combat turned out? And how are you with state awards?
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    but what is its reality? - they will drive the schoolchildren into the hall to listen to the boring reports of uncles and aunts, so the schoolboy will bury himself in the hats

    And why are you not at this event? Why, in this reality, while I rode through the mountain-forests, you youths profukali?
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    the result, and here they take the schoolchildren, and on a watch, so that the boy himself finds the old PPS, and even after that he lives in a tent, so that he shoots from a gun, this, but for the story about the heroes behind the common cauldron, is for life, and a round table .... stupidity and boredom

    And I’m everything, the boys from the Kalashnikovs taught to shoot, how to search / raid, how to plan fire raids and how to power the P-123 from the old battery, TA-57 and the circuit that I connected to the knuckles on the knee ... You did did not understand the main thing! Those like me, who miraculously did not go to jail, were not killed in the dismantling of the 90's, who did not drink in the end, but who carried faith through their really terrible service, no - I believe in my Homeland and my people, as we can trying to put together a bunch of Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Ukrainians and other RUSSIANs with such meetings? For lack of writing paper, orders were written on a pack of cigarettes. So it is here. Bad, stupid, clumsy, pathos - DO! Even though I write in Russian almost without errors, I know the meaning of the word “polemic” - and half of my colleagues would just send you to ... and to ..., and would stop writing to such forums.
    Well, if it’s closer to ideology, don’t you understand that the deputy with the surname Saloedov wanted to spit on Panfilov’s from the height of any of his personal elevators, but when the governor signed the action plan, Saloedov himself would run, and he would organize buses for veterans will feed buckwheat porridge to schoolchildren from the field kitchen? You did not grow out of those trenches that you dug up (for which you sincerely bow, you see, someone like you will find my ensign Matvienko, he crawled away wounded in the green and that's it). You have to fight like that. Through PR, through the museum, through the governors. Let them learn history to make a career, let them shine with knowledge of the date of birth of Alexander Nevsky, to become the governor of the Vladimir region! So that one of them joins the next president’s team and becomes the head of the State Archives, he knows - it’s IMPOSSIBLE even to destroy the legend in the name of truth, without compensating for the loss of its educational effect.
    1. Stas57 24 October 2015 14: 50 New
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      And how much is not stupid? Where is the border? If N rubles, then remember Panfilov, and if for N-1, no?

      balance difference.
      it is strange to explain to you that the rally for the sake of the student is very bold.
      Come on, let's face it. How many bullet wounds do you have? And fragmentation? Did you get a lieutenant colonel in 30 years? You, like me, in the 32, the commission after the complications? And how many years of service with combat turned out? And how are you with state awards?

      cool, yes, but personally it doesn’t impress me at all, probably numb. But I'll stand up and shake my hand, here I have obviously less.

      (I will tell one story, no offense, I will immediately warn you.
      a fighter lies in a cell, with a grenade, his head is punched, a flask in the holes. Mina or projectile near.
      Meters in 20 truck from 4 ....
      Who will tell about him, about his feat, about his last and most likely first tank?
      no name, no tag. He is not Panfilov, he is not interesting to anyone. He is not from Prokhorovka, he does not have a monument.
      And who will tell about you (about why that war)? Friends, fine, but we'll all be gone. Round tables? Motor races? Promotions (not the Immortal Regiment) about me definitely no one will tell, okay :))
      But after 10 years, Europe will no longer be afraid to remember Hitler in negative colors, and the Second World War will become as far as 1812.
      )

      but, however, I do not see a single presentation, a single campaign, or a single video clip, so it doesn’t strongly but completely reflect the search and educational work with young people. What did you do in it? But we are about it.

      And why are you not at this event? Why, in this reality, while I rode through the mountain-forests, you youths profukali?

      it seems to say clearly that I do not go to empty events.

      and perhaps you also say that I am guilty in the absence of self-knowledge of the people, in its self-defense, that they do not spit in foul-looking faces? What grandfathers do not protect?

      that the deputy with the surname Salo wanted to spit at Panfilov from the height of any of his personal elevators, but when the governor signed an action plan, then Salo would run himself, and organize buses for veterans, and feed schoolchildren from field kitchen with buckwheat porridge? You didn’t grow out of those trenches that you dug up (for which you are sincerely bowing, you see, someone like you will find my warrant officer Matvienko, he crawled away wounded into the green and that’s all). You have to fight like that. Through PR, through the museum, through the governors. So that the one who will join the team of the next president and become the head of the State Archive knows that it is IMPOSSIBLE to destroy the legend even in the name of truth, without compensating for the loss of its educational effect.

      everything is beautiful, but empty, it must be done daily and always with high quality
      and I wrote how.
      no round table will help, the governor will distribute beautiful promises, and then you have to walk and knock, knock out, demand.
      no Mironenko would harm more than earning glory, money, and urapatriotic slogans on World War II.

      But the Truth - she is stronger than the Legend, and you cannot make a traitor and a policeman a hero.

      And we saw that it wasn’t the pike perch that Mironenko did, but those who tried to hide the truth, I repeat. Say even earlier, everything is as it is, admit it was (and there is a lot of heroism, the same sappers, there is nothing shameful in that story to hide), and then there is a trump card for any liberal bullet - the division fought heroically, propaganda was not less important weapon than.
      And it happened according to the canons of a children's fairy tale, a lot of deception, and the truth is under my breath.
      1. sharp-lad 24 October 2015 20: 26 New
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        What a difference the Panfilovs were or not! It was the exploit of the Soviet people! And a myth or not a myth, but the personification of this FEAT! In my opinion, it’s time to stop looking for dirty tricks in the history of this war, it would be better to throw your strength at the discovery of the exploits of every beating fascist beast on the battlefield and in the rear!
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          Quote: sharp-lad
          What a difference the Panfilovs were or not! It was the exploit of the Soviet people! And a myth or not a myth, but the personification of this FEAT! In my opinion, it’s time to stop looking for dirty tricks in the history of this war, it would be better to throw your strength at the discovery of the exploits of every beating fascist beast on the battlefield and in the rear!

          two people respecting each other lead a conversation, there are questions on which they completely disagree with each other.
          Why did you get involved with slogans, if you don’t have any difference?
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      if I understand correctly, are you one of the organizers?
      Well then, I just wish good luck.
    3. Kuzyakin15 24 October 2015 19: 13 New
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      Earnest:
      Well done! Thank!
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    [media = http: //m.youtube.com/watch? v = 0-J5Vg0SxLc]

    Here is also an example - how much historical truth and realism are there in this production video? A bunch of blunders, in all the bushes they pianoforted - but for the general essence, for one name only, for 8 of millions of views, I would write a state award to the authors!
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    It is necessary to put pressure on these Judas, mattress prostitutes from history, who, with their vile lies, desecrate the blessed memory of those who fulfilled their duty to the end, and who then stopped the fascists near Moscow, Private Ryan? Such creatures in 41 were the first to raise white flags in front of the enemy, and then they went to serve as lackeys to the "civilizers" for a piece of sausage and a bottle of beer.
  31. Captain45 24 October 2015 19: 18 New
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    Glad for fellow countrymen of Orenburg! And about Mironenko, somehow laid out, well, let me repeat:
    Historian Sergei Mironenko felt a kick in the ass and collapsed on the frozen bottom of the trench. Still not believing what was happening, he got up and looked up. On the edge of the trench, the soldiers of the Red Army stood in a semicircle.
    - This is the last? - clarified one of the military, apparently the commander.
    “That's right, comrade political instructor!” - the soldier reported, whose kick sent the director of the State Archive to the trench.
    - Excuse me, what's going on? the historian muttered.
    “How is it going?” - grinned the political instructor. - The establishment of historical justice. Now you, Mironenko, will save Moscow from the Nazi invaders.
    Politruk pointed to a field on which several dozen German tanks froze in anticipation. Tankers climbed onto the towers and, shivering from the cold, watched with interest what was happening at Russian positions.
    - I? Why me? - Mironenko asked in shock. “What do I have to do with this?”
    “The most direct,” answered the political instructor. - All of you here have the most direct relation to this!
    The commander pointed Mironenko to the trench and the historian saw that it was full of respected people: there were already academician Pivovarov and his nephew-journalist, Svanidze was sitting by the machine gun with bulging eyes, next to him was the main de-regulator Fedotov, who was trembling from the cold, or from horror , further there were still familiar faces, but the frightened archivist completely forgot their names.
    “What are we all doing here?” - asked Mironenko. - This is not our era!
    The soldiers laughed together. Not only Russians but also Germans laughed, and even the recently killed German tanker, trying to maintain decency and pretending not to hear anything, nevertheless, shuddered with laughter.
    - Yes? - the political instructor was surprised. “But you all tell in such detail in detail how it really was!” You explain with foam at the mouth that we threw Hitler with corpses. It’s you shouting that the people won the war, not the commanders, and especially not Stalin. You explain this to everyone that Soviet heroes are a myth! You yourself, Mironenko, told us that we were a myth!
    - Excuse me, are you political instructor Klochkov? - asked Mironenko.
    “Exactly,” the commander answered. - And these are my fighters who are destined to lay their heads in this battle at the Dubosekovo junction! But you, Mironenko, assured that everything was wrong, that all these heroes were a propaganda myth! And you know what we decided? We decided to really be a myth. And to defend Moscow to trust trusted and reliable people. In particular, to you!
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    - And you? the historian asked quietly.
    “And we are in the rear,” one of the fighters answered. - The guys and I were thinking to die for our homeland, for Stalin, but since we are a myth, why should we substitute bullets for nothing? Fight for yourself!
    “Hey Russians, how long have you been?” - shouted the shy German tankman.
    “Now, Hans, now,” the political instructor waved to him. - You see, Mironenko, time does not endure. It is time for you to defend your homeland.
    Then the TV presenter Pivovarov jumped out of the trench and rushed briskly towards the Germans with raised hands. In his hands he held white pants, which he was actively waving.
    “What a shame,” said one of the fighters.
    “Don’t worry,” Klochkov chuckled. - This is not our shame.
    Two German tankers caught Pivovarov and dragged him by the arms to the trench, dropping him down.
    “Schweine,” the German swore, looking at his overalls. “This hero of yours has pissed me off my leg with fear!”
    The second tankman shot Panfilov’s people to smoke and, drawing out, said:
    - Yes, comrades, you're out of luck! And for these here you were dying! Really in our Vaterland same grew? ..
    “No, comrade,” one of the Panfilov responded to him. “You now have none.” Only buggers and Turks.
    - And who are the buggers? - the German specified.
    A Red Army soldier whispered an answer to the aggressor in his ear. The face of the German was flooded with shame. Waving his hand, he went to the tank.
    “Let's end with us quickly,” he said. “I want to die from such things again.”
    Svanidze rushed from the trench to the political instructor.
    - Comrade commander, you misunderstood me, I didn’t say anything like that! And then, I can’t, I have a “white ticket”, I have poor eyesight and an ulcer!
    Politruk confidentially leaned towards Svanidze:
    - Do you think the tyrant Stalin was worried? He bombarded the enemy with cannon fodder! And even more so, I'm not your commander. You have your own - experienced and proven! Here he comes!
    From the depths of the trench Nikita Mikhalkov came to the place of conversation, holding a shovel from his hand.
    - Comrade political instructor, how can this be fought against tanks? - the director begged.
    “You know better,” the commander answered. “You already did this.” Yes, by the way, your beds are there. You can quickly establish anti-tank defense from them! Well, or pray, or something. Maybe help!
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    Then the political instructor ordered the construction of his fighters.
    - Where are you going? - Mikhalkov asked with a longing in his voice.
    - Where to? - the political instructor grinned. - Take a position in your rear! The NKVD detachment is not at hand, so we ourselves will replace it! And if some scum from your penal battalion rushes out of position, we will shoot on the spot for cowardice and treason!
    - So there are no penal battles yet!
    - One created. Especially for you!
    German tanks roared engines. Desperate screams and swearing were heard in the trench - the new defenders of Moscow found out who was the first to expose the myths and dragged them into this story. Fedotov was beaten all together, after which he was thrown out of the trench under a German tank with a bottle. Someone shouted goodbye to him:
    - Well, for the Motherland, for Stalin!
    Mikhalkov clung to the outgoing political officer:
    - Comrade, my father fought, I was always a patriot and defender of heroes, help me!
    “Only out of respect for you,” the political instructor answered. - I give a great tool to fight the enemy! As good as it gets!
    And the commander handed the director a badminton racket and three shuttlecocks.
    “Farewell, the Motherland will not forget you,” Mikhalkov, the political instructor, patted goodbye and rushed after his departing fighters.

    written unfortunately not by me
    (author unknown)
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    And in general, this eccentric letter M S.V. Mironenko needs to pinch his eggs with a door. Unless of course he has them.
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    Heroes of Panfilov’s, you are in the heart of your Motherland! Forever!



    Glory to the Russian Warriors! Glory to the Red Army. Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten!

    For the Honor and Glory of the ancestors!
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  37. Stelth1985 25 October 2015 07: 20 New
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    Not only Panfilov’s will remain for centuries:

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    Science and technology:

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    Do not forget:

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    No one has the right to belittle the feat of Soviet soldiers near Moscow. There were Panfilov’s and my countrymen, Siberians. A lot of them died there in the frozen fields. In Siberian villages, monuments stand for the dead. Half and no longer returned from that war. We remember and are proud of our grandfathers and fathers. We will not give Russia to anyone.
  42. win
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    There is a systematic distortion of world history.
    For example, in Japan, about 70 percent of childhood and adolescent settlements believe that the Soviet Union carried out a nuclear bombardment of Japan. And the Americans were the first to fly into space ...
    “Historians” like Rezun and Svanidze exist all over the world.
    The earth still holds them ...
  43. Mihalich17 26 October 2015 06: 59 New
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    I’m thinking here (sometimes), but can it be that only ordinary citizens of our Russia should “highlight” these “ideological creatures” trying to distort our Victory History in the Great Patriotic War?
    I believe that there is a field of activity for our valiant intelligence agencies.
    The blatantly glaring facts of distortion of history are observed periodically.
    Good luck and severity to our special services in this area of ​​their activity.
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    I am proud that this action starts in Orenburg !!!
  45. 56_br 26 October 2015 10: 15 New
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    In the days of Stalin, the Hero of the USSR was not so easy to get as it is now.
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      "In the days of Stalin, the Hero of the USSR was not as easy to get as it is now."

      Why such confidence?
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  46. Military Builder 26 October 2015 10: 44 New
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    Quote: hauptman7
    And then if it goes on like that, we’ll think what kind of thread "captain America" ​​saved us


    "I even know what his name is, Captain John Miller, while he was looking for James Ryan with his guys, he beat all the Nazis"
  47. sogdianec 26 October 2015 10: 56 New
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    In the days of Stalin, the Hero of the USSR was not so easy to get as it is now.


    Do you have personal experience in receiving these awards? What feat did you accomplish if you say so boldly?
  48. Engineer 26 October 2015 11: 19 New
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    In the days of Stalin, the Hero of the USSR was not so easy to get as it is now.

    In the days of Stalin, this was a well-deserved reward, and now the hero of Russia is worn by former field commanders of gangs, beer makers and the oligarch’s son.
    1. navigator 26 October 2015 11: 39 New
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      "In the days of Stalin, it was a well-deserved reward, and now the hero of Russia is worn by former field commanders of gangs, beer makers and the oligarchs' sons."

      Serious statement. Could you please name at least a couple of surnames from the listed, especially, oligarch’s sons?

      Here is one example for your information, so as not to become like you and not be unfounded. Alexander Petrovich Zhukov, Hero of Russia. There is always a place for achievement in life.

      http://www.pravoslavie.ru/jurnal/76138.htm
      1. anderles66 26 October 2015 13: 55 New
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        I also wanted to post information about the Heroes, but decided that it was empty. A real shovel will always find what he is looking for and you can’t prove anything to him. If desired, you can defame the Heroes of the Soviet Union. The main thing is to have a desire.
  49. stas-xnumx 26 October 2015 11: 29 New
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    Dear admins !!! I suggest to openly show the names / profile of minus signers of such articles !!! Very interesting, who are they? And that in such articles they are not satisfied !!!!! As many 6 (SIX) MINUSTAUSHERS of a GOOD ARTICLE ABOUT OUR HEROES OF ANCESTORS .....
    1. I am 26 October 2015 15: 31 New
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      But I minusanul you - quite deliberately! Do you feel better?
      The article is HUGE "+", but to you personally "-", you don’t clog the topic.
      1. stas-xnumx 26 October 2015 16: 08 New
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        You look, what ... And the subject is littered with minusculeers. Let them come out to the people and explain why the cons of the article? Here is what is interesting. Okay, I don’t want to argue, but expressed my opinion.
    2. Minsker 26 October 2015 16: 11 New
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      And then shoot them huh ?. Passed already. Get used to respecting any opinion.
    3. Minsker 26 October 2015 16: 11 New
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      And then shoot them huh ?. Passed already. Get used to respecting any opinion.
    4. Alibekulu 26 October 2015 18: 31 New
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      Quote: stas-21127
      Dear admins !!! I suggest to openly show the names / profile of minus signers of such articles !!! Very interesting, who are they? And that in such articles they are not satisfied !!!!! As many 6 (SIX) MINUSTAUSHERS of a GOOD ARTICLE ABOUT OUR HEROES OF ANCESTORS .....
      Yes am And let them put a party card on the table ..
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