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Service and combat use of the Su-24 front-line bomber. Part 2

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Prior to the cessation of production in 1993, export-modified Su-24MK bombers were shipped to Algeria, Iraq, Syria and Libya. The contract concluded with India was later terminated at the initiative of the customer, and front-line bombers with inscriptions in English on hatches and aggregates were transferred to the Soviet Air Force.

The first in the 1988 year (after the end of the Iran-Iraq war) Su-24MK received Iraq. In 1989, deliveries of the Su-24MK to Algeria, Libya and Syria began. Given the long range and wide range of weapons of the bomber, this was extremely painful in Israel.

Although the Iraqis were actively preparing to use the Su-24MK for long-range raids and even created for them an 3000-kg aerial bomb of their own design and specially converted one IL-76 into an air tanker, the century of these aircraft as part of the Iraqi Air Force was short. Due to the passivity of the Iraqi command, the Su-24MK was not used against the attacking forces of the anti-Iraqi coalition. Recorded only a few reconnaissance flights. In total, the 22 of the Iraqi Su-24MK bombers, fleeing from the US and British combat air raids, flew to Iran, where much of them have been safely operated so far.


Google Earth satellite image: Iranian Su-24MK at Shiraz airbase


Libya managed to get not all the ordered aircraft before the introduction of international sanctions. They flew in this country not too actively, more idle at the airfields. However, after the start of the civil war, some of the few Libyan Su-24MKs were still in flight and were attracted to delivering episodic air strikes against the rebels. It is very ineptly used only unmanaged means of destruction. In response, one bomber was shot down by anti-aircraft fire, and the rest were destroyed at airfields as a result of NATO bombings and rocket and artillery shelling.

The Su-24MK received by Algeria became a strong trump card in territorial disputes with its neighbors Morocco and Libya. The Algerian Twenty-Fours have never officially taken part in hostilities. According to unofficial information, which the Algerian representatives deny, Su-24M attacked the targets of the Islamists in Libya in 2014 year. Previously, they took part in a number of incidents on the border with Morocco. In this case, reported the loss of several cars in flight accidents.

Service and combat use of the Su-24 front-line bomber. Part 2

Su-24M Algerian Air Force


In addition to the previously received bombers, Algeria ordered some more upgraded Su-24М and Su-24МР in the early 2000-x. These aircraft were delivered from the Russian Air Force. Currently, the number of front-line bombers and reconnaissance aircraft in the Algerian Air Force exceeds 35 units.

An interesting fact is that the Algerian Air Force received upgraded Su-24M with the SVP-24 system from Gefest and T, CJSC earlier than the Russian Air Force. Lobbied by the former general director of Sukhoi, M.A. Pogosyan, the aiming-navigation system developed by the OKB and NIREK (OCD "Gusar"), which had the worst characteristics, was altogether rejected by Algerian representatives.

SVP-24 combines instruments and means of aiming, navigation and control. It significantly expands the range of tactical techniques available to pilots when searching for a target and going into an attack. The process of aiming and delivering missile and bomb strikes has been facilitated, while the accuracy has been increased. The range of available for use has expanded aviation means of destruction. For example, it became possible to use the Kh-31P anti-radar missile, which the Gusar could not provide. In combat work, it became possible to use a satellite positioning system, the navigation accuracy increased to 3 meters.


Su-24M with PCR X-31P


The reliability of the sighting and navigation complex also increased, while the use of a more modern compact element base reduced the weight and size of new electronic units.

In addition to Algeria, Su-24M from the Russian Air Force received Angola, an agreement on this was concluded at the end of 2000. At that time, civil war broke out in Angola between the government forces and the UNITA movement, which only stopped in 2002 after the death of UNITA leader Jonas Savimbi in a battle. The Angolan Air Force needed a “bomber” capable of striking remote areas of the country at any time of the day, regardless of the weather conditions in the target area.

The contract with Angola provided for the supply of 22 Su-24M bombers for 120 million. It is not known whether this contract was executed in full, but, according to reference books, as of 2010, the Angolan Air Force had 10 Su-24М.

Syria has actively used its Su-24MK against Islamists. The Syrian "twenty-four" suffered the main losses not in the air, but during artillery and mortar shelling of airfields. In September, one Su-2014MK Syrian air force was hit by a Patriot air defense missile when it approached the border with Israel.

In 2013, bypassing the arms embargo, Belarus delivered 12 withdrawn Su-24M bombers from their own air forces to Sudan. The planes are stationed at the Wadi Sayidna air base not far from Khartoum along with Belarusian technical staff and crews.


Satellite image of Google earth: Sudanese Su-24M at Wadi Sayidna airbase


Currently, the former Belarusian Su-24M is actively used by the Sudanese military in protracted conflicts in the country. There is a real civil war in southern Sudan using tanks and combat aviation. In the rebellious Sudanese province of Darfur alone, fighting has killed an estimated 300000 people in the past few years. However, Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir said that these aircraft will be used "only to repel external aggression."

The front bombers of the Russian Air Force Su-24M and the reconnaissance aircraft Su-24MR in the past were repeatedly used in combat operations in the post-Soviet space. They were involved in the first and second Chechen companies and the 2008 Russian-Georgian conflict.

Initially, in December 1994, the plans of the Russian military leadership did not provide for the widespread use of front-line aviation. It was assumed that after the entry of the federal troops, Dudayev’s militants would run home, abandoning weapon. For the suppression of individual foci of resistance, it was considered sufficient to use army helicopters Mi-8 and Mi-24 with aircraft gunfire weapons, NURS and ATGM. However, the reality turned out to be different, and it was not possible to take Grozny by the forces of one airborne regiment, as promised by then Defense Minister Grachev.

The federal forces, meeting the fierce resistance of Chechen armed groups, which, in addition to small arms, had heavy weapons and anti-aircraft systems, appealed for air support. Large-caliber bombs were required to destroy fortifications and bridges.



The Su-24MR scouts conducted aerial reconnaissance, flying at altitudes inaccessible to the enemy’s anti-aircraft weapons, and Su-24M attacked the strongholds of the militants, covered them on the march, destroyed bridges and communications centers. Once again, the ability of the Su-24M to operate in conditions of poor visibility on radar landmarks was useful.

To train the crews of the 196 and 559 BAS, involved in Chechnya and largely lost the skills to use guided weapons, it was necessary to involve specialists and pilots-instructors from Lipetsk 4-th Center for Combat Training and 929-th State Flight Test Center in Akhtubinsk.


CAB-1500L


When the weather conditions allow, the most well-trained crews bombers admitted to the use of guided weapons, missiles used with a laser and X-25ML television-guided X-59, guided aerial bombs and 500L CC-CC-500KR as well as heavy and CC-1500L KAB- 1500TK. The last two bridges were destroyed across the Argun River. Heavy adjustable aerial bombs were used after the use of smaller-caliber ammunition did not give satisfactory results.

Unfortunately, not without loss. 3 February 1995 at low altitude in a thick fog Su-24M crashed into a mountain southeast of the village of Chervlennaya. A possible cause of the disaster could be a failure of the onboard navigation system.

After squeezing Dudaevs from the plains into the mountainous terrain, Su-24MR was actively used to search for their bases and camps, after which front-line bombers and attack aircraft entered into action.

At that time, the “twenty-fours” became a real nightmare for the leadership of the militants. Using information obtained by reconnaissance, front-line bombers, flying at altitudes inaccessible to the air defenses of the militants, methodically attacked with high-precision ammunition at command posts, weapons depots and staff buildings in areas not controlled by federal forces.

For the destruction of point targets very effectively used adjustable bombs KAB-500L with laser and KAB-500KR with television guidance. So, 24 May 1995, two KAB-500L destroyed ammunition depot, who was in a cave on a mountain slope to the south of the village zone. 28 May bombs with television-command guidance KAB-500KR was destroyed by the militants headquarters, and a powerful radio station in the village of Vedeno. A total of about Su-24M during 1-th Chechen was dropped about 30 KAB.

In the course of the 2 of the Chechen war, the military leadership acted more intelligently. During this “time of trouble”, the raid in the front-line shelves was minimal due to the lack of jet fuel, and the young pilots simply did not have the necessary flight experience (the average flight time per pilot was only 21 h). The veterans who went through Afghanistan and 1 Chechen again went to battle.

Before the start of the land operation, active aerial reconnaissance was conducted. The main source of information when planning air strikes were maps prepared on the basis of Su-24MR reconnaissance flights.

Su-24M bombers were involved in delivering massive bomb strikes with high-explosive FAB-250 and FAB-500 air bombs. In addition to directly destroying objects, manpower and equipment, the ruptures of powerful explosives contributed to blocking Chechen militants in isolated areas, creating impassable obstructions in mountainous and wooded areas. Also, once again found the use of high-precision aircraft munitions.

October 4 1999 of the year during the reconnaissance flight was lost Su-24MR from the 11-th RAP. The pilot died while the navigator successfully catapulted and was captured by the Chechens, but later he managed to escape.

Three more Su-24s were lost on January 30, 2000, at the airfield in Akhtubinsk. Airplanes fully fueled and equipped with ammunition burned after the TM-59G airfield “heat gun” driver, who had fallen asleep due to fatigue, crashed into them. Perhaps it was the most ridiculous loss of aircraft for the entire war.

7 May 2000 of the MANPADS near the Chechen village of Benoy-Vedeno was shot down by Su-24MR, both crew members were killed. Unlike previous attempts, the calculation of the anti-aircraft complex acted extremely competently and coolly. The rocket launch was carried out from a successful firing position and at the most advantageous moment to turn the plane.

Especially valuable once again was the ability of the Su-24M to act in conditions of bad weather and frequent fogs for the mountains. Twenty-fours were often the only front-line aircraft that made flights in adverse weather conditions. At the same time, it was deemed inexpedient to direct them to support ground units because of the high risk of strikes against the positions of their own troops. Su-24M were used exclusively for strikes against previously planned targets far from the line of contact. In total, during the 2, the Chechen Su-24M and Su-24MR made about 800 sorties.

In the "Russian-Georgian war" 2008 of the year were involved bombers: Su-24М 959-th BAP from Yeisk, 559-th BAP from Morozovsk, 4-th pulp and paper them. Chkalov from Lipetsk, as well as the scouts of the Su-24МР 11-th separate Guards Vitebsk RAP from Marinovka and 929-th GLITS from Akhtubinsk.

In this armed conflict for the first time in the Russian modern stories Our air forces are confronted with a rather modern, but rather modern and centralized air defense system.

Especially distinguished was the Georgian division of the Buk-М1 air defense system, which operated in the Gori area, as Ukrainian officials later admitted, at that moment Ukrainian military advisers and technical specialists were present at the location of the air defense station. The calculation of "Buka" managed to bring down reconnaissance Su-24MR, who piloted the crew of 929-th GLITs from Akhtubinsk. The pilots were able to eject, but one of them was killed, and the other was seriously injured.

According to unconfirmed data, besides the Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft, the Su-24M bomber, allegedly shot down by an Israeli-made Spider air defense system, was still lost.

In this conflict, the share of high-precision means of destruction intended for destruction of ground targets used by the Su-24M was unprecedentedly low. And it was not about the difficult weather conditions that prevented the guided bombs and rockets from a laser or television seeker to go under, as in Chechnya.



By the year 2008, the stock of high-precision aviation weapons produced back in the USSR was mostly spent or expired. And the Air Force Command was afraid to use the remaining guided munitions for reasons of leaving the front-line bombers unarmed, which was unacceptable if the conflict with the West escalated. So, once again, the twenty-fours had to process point targets with free-fall cast iron.

Whether the conflict served as a catalyst for 2008 of the year, or just coincided, but in 2009, the Russian Defense Ministry finally decided to abandon the modernization of the remaining Su-24М for Su-24М2, proposed by Sukhoi (ROC Gusar), and chose the modernization for from JSC "Gefest and T" (OKR "Metronom"). The sighting navigation equipment SVP-24 of JSC "Hephaestus and T" at the output turned out to be much more practical, cheaper and more accurate. Old men Su-24M, equipped with SVP-24, in their percussion capabilities are not inferior to more modern machines.

The automated system of operational control of ASEC-24 repeatedly reduces the time of analysis of the results of combat sortie, which allows increasing the intensity of use of the Su-24М.

In addition to upgrading the bomber sighting and navigation complex, a ground component was also introduced - the Ground Complex for the preparation and control of flight missions (NKP and K). Its use more than doubles the frequency of Su-24М combat missions (Su-24МК) when changing the flight task setting.

The great advantage of this modernization option is that it can be carried out in front-line regiments, without sending aircraft to aircraft repair enterprises. The installation effort of the SNPC-24 is 85 man-hours.

Simultaneously with the introduction of the new digital complex equipment SVP-24, it was decided to resume production and modernization of some types of old high-precision munitions and the adoption of new ones.



In general, Su-24M with updated avionics are quite effective shock machines. They even surpass the modern Su-34 front-line bombers in some ways. During joint training flights at extremely low altitude with the Su-34, the pilots of the latter, due to excessive shaking, after a while asked to rise higher. In the same conditions, due to its aerodynamic layout, with a wing set at the maximum sweep angle, the Su-24M goes smoothly - “like an iron”. I think no one needs to explain the meaning of flights on primary air defense in the event of an air defense breakthrough.

The artillery weapons of the upgraded Su-24M, which he inherited from the earlier Su-24, remain highly controversial. 23-mm six-barreled gun GSH-6-23М with 500 rounds of ammunition shots has a rate of fire to 10000 rounds / min. However, the firing of a cannon, which has a powerful impact, often led to the failure of avionics. Vibration, thermal, acoustic and shock loads adversely affected the design of the right air intake, causing damage and corrosion of its panels. In the middle in 80-x shooting from the GSH-6-23 on the Su-24 was temporarily banned before making modifications that preclude the occurrence of emergency situations.

Designers, installing the GSH-6-23 on the Su-24, planned first of all to use it for ground attack. The same applies to the SPSP-6 outboard cannon installations with 23-mm six-barrel cannons. The carriage of the SPPU-6 installation had two degrees of freedom of movement. The movement of the gun carriage was controlled by a synchronous-tracking drive from the pilot's aiming device. It was assumed that from the SPPU-6 will be aimed shelling targets with a strafing flight.


SPPU-6


The SPPU-6 installation, despite its unique properties, was not popular among pilots, and especially among gunsmiths involved in the preparation for the use of aircraft weapons, due to excessive complexity. These aircraft artillery systems, outstanding in their characteristics, have never been used in a real combat situation, being, in fact, an expensive ballast.

The refusal of the use of aircraft cannons on the Su-24 in combat conditions due to the vulnerability of the front bomber when using this type of aircraft armament from anti-aircraft gun fire and even small arms. In this case, the Su-24 loses its main advantage - the ability to deliver sudden accurate shots from average heights at any time of the day and regardless of weather conditions. And to use an expensive front-line bomber with a heaped aiming-navigation complex as a microscope that clogs nails, is too expensive.

The capabilities of the Su-24 to combat aerial targets have always been evaluated very modestly. Melee air combat missiles P-60 on the Su-24 are designed mainly to fight with enemy helicopters. More modern P-73 missiles have better performance, but pilots of all twenty-four versions considered it a blessing to avoid air combat with modern fighters, since they had practically no chance of winning. Su-24 is capable of aerobatics without a suspension of armament and with a limited supply of fuel.

In this respect, of course, it is more preferable to look for the Su-34, but it also carries only near UR P-73 with TGS. Despite the presence of a Su-34 radar capable of detecting and tracking airborne targets at a considerable distance, there is still no medium-range guided missile in the Su-34 ammunition load. This means that, taking into account all its many advantages, the newest Russian front-line bomber is capable of leading only defensive aerial combat.

Another advantage of the Su-34 is the presence of a perfect REP complex on it. The Su-24 electronic countermeasure station has much more modest capabilities and is now obsolete.

Widely publicized in a number of domestic media outlets and causing a surge of “hurray-patriotic” sentiments, the case of the alleged “blinding” of the radar equipment of the destroyer USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) unfortunately does not correspond to reality. Since, due to financial constraints, the Khibiny E-175V complex was never installed on Su-24M aircraft.


Su-24MK model with container KS-418E of the Khibiny REP complex


The 1990-2000-e worked out the container case version of the KS-418E with the Khibiny REP model for export Su-24MK, but the matter did not move further than the construction of the models.

Unlike the Su-24M front-line bombers, the Su-24МР reconnaissance aircraft that are available in separate reconnaissance aircraft regiments have not been modernized. Their intelligence equipment, created at the beginning of 80's, is morally and physically outdated and no longer meets modern requirements. But after the cancellation of the supersonic high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft MiG-25РБ reconnaissance version of the "twenty-four" was the only front-line aircraft capable of conducting integrated reconnaissance.

Most likely, the leadership of the Air Force plans to transfer reconnaissance functions to Su-30CM and Su-34 aircraft, equipped with outboard containers with reconnaissance equipment. At present, KKR suspension containers (an integrated reconnaissance container) have been created and are being tested for these machines.

Earlier, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has repeatedly stated that all Su-24M and Su-24М2 will be replaced by 2020 with new Su-34 front-line bombers. Even taking into account that during the times of reforming and giving the armed forces a “new look”, a number of aviation bomber regiments armed with Su-24M were eliminated, it is reasonable to doubt that all of the twenty-fours currently available will be replaced in the near future by Su-34 in the ratio of 1: 1.


Su-24M at Shagol airbase


At present, there is a shortage of combat aircraft in the Russian armed forces capable of performing shock missions. Proof of this is the armament of fighters to achieve air superiority of the Su-27CM and Su-35C with unguided aviation weapons of destruction - the NAR and free-falling bombs.

At present, there are about 120 Su-24М and Su-24М2 in the VKS RF. In the light of aggravated relations with the United States and its NATO allies, the hasty abandonment of these aircraft seems completely unfounded. The front-line bombers that received the updated avionics, thanks to which their strike potential does not practically differ from the Su-34, are capable of successfully solving their combat missions for at least 10 years.

The latest events in Syria, where the 34 Su-12M is part of the Russian aviation group of 24 combat aircraft, confirm the relevance of these very effective front-line bombers.



It is noteworthy that Su-24M, transferred to Syria from the Shagol airbase near Chelyabinsk during attacks on IG facilities, use mostly free-fall bombs of old types, most likely from stocks supplied to Syria during the USSR.

The guided high-precision aircraft munitions carry the latest Su-34, apparently, an inviolable stock was “printed out” for them and possibly new products from the export order of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation were involved.

The author expresses his appreciation for the advice to "Ancient".

Another publication from this series: Service and combat use of the Su-24 front-line bomber. Part 1.

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  1. The point
    The point 27 October 2015 06: 27 New
    +5
    Our "drying" is not for everyone's teeth.
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 27 October 2015 09: 15 New
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      Quote: Maksud
      "drying"

      Sergei!
      Thank you so much for the interesting stuff!
      I read with pleasure both parts before going to work.

      Su-24 (product T-6). According to NATO codification - Fencer: "Fencer".
      Usually every plane gets a nickname.
      Rummaged in the Internet and for Su-24 found a whole list: Iron, Suitcase, Nuclear suitcase, Chest, Cabinet, Woodpecker, Goose.
      All right
      1. Bongo
        27 October 2015 09: 34 New
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        Quote: Mister X
        Sergei!
        Thank you so much for the interesting stuff!
        I read with pleasure both parts before going to work.

        Thank you! hi
        A good job is half of what a person needs to be happy! Well, God willing - everything will work out for you and you will read articles on "VO" as before during working hours wink
        Quote: Mister X
        u-24 (product T-6). According to NATO codification - Fencer: "Fencer".
        Usually every plane gets a nickname.
        Rummaged in the Internet and for Su-24 found a whole list: Iron, Suitcase, Nuclear suitcase, Chest, Cabinet, Woodpecker, Goose.
        All right


        All right yes "Suitcases" - usually called the Su-24 without the letter "M" with which they mainly used unguided weapons.
        1. Mister X
          Mister X 27 October 2015 09: 39 New
          +9
          Quote: Bongo
          Well, God willing - everything will work out for you and you will read articles on "VO" as before during working hours

          ABOUT! Big to you Moldavian multsumek!
          Then I can write for "VO" more often ...
          hi
          1. Malkor
            Malkor 27 October 2015 20: 43 New
            +6
            Yeah, guys write to VO more often.
            Ato here recently some kind of mujzz .... (an unpronounceable surname) littered VO with articles on comparing fu22, fu35 with our airplanes.
  2. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 27 October 2015 07: 06 New
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    Once again, the rule works, good hands should control good equipment, especially such a workhorse as the Su-24!
  3. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 27 October 2015 07: 09 New
    +3
    I remember in the 90s and early 2000s during training flights in the media there was information about accidents with the Su-24, an excuse was expressed that this was a very "capricious" machine. But now they fly and everything is fine with them, certain conclusions naturally suggest themselves ...
  4. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 27 October 2015 07: 11 New
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    Sergey, thanks for the comprehensive and detailed analysis!
    The father does not have the Internet in the village. I will print your article and give him "on paper". Yesterday I spoke to him on the phone - he was waiting, sir. At 24, in total, he served for almost 10 years, for the last two years he took cadets to practice from the Tambov VVAIU.
    Good luck and new interesting materials. You are doing very well. hi
    1. Bongo
      27 October 2015 07: 21 New
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      Quote: Scary ensign
      Good luck and new interesting materials. You are doing very well.

      Thank you Say hello to your father hi
      At the moment I am preparing a publication about the Su-34, but I was very convincingly asked not to disclose some aspects related to its armament and avionics. So such a detailed review of the Su-24 will not work. request
  5. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 27 October 2015 07: 14 New
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    An interesting fact is that the Algerian Air Force received upgraded Su-24M with the SVP-24 system from Gefest and T, CJSC earlier than the Russian Air Force. Lobbied by the former general director of Sukhoi, M.A. Pogosyan, the aiming-navigation system developed by the OKB and NIREK (OCD "Gusar"), which had the worst characteristics, was altogether rejected by Algerian representatives.


    And what's that? stone in the garden of the former chairman of the UAC ???
    1. Bongo
      27 October 2015 07: 24 New
      +9
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      And what's that? stone in the garden of the former chairman of the UAC ???

      This is a statement of fact. hi
  6. spec.78
    spec.78 27 October 2015 07: 23 New
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    In 2014, he attended an open day at the plant named after I. Chkalov. There was a Libyan "twenty-four", which flew in for repairs (possibly modernization). But in the light of well-known events, she remained motionless. Now I regret that I photographed it only in parts (I thought to make a model, but my hands did not reach it), there is no complete photo.
    1. Bongo
      27 October 2015 07: 25 New
      +6
      Quote: spec.78
      Now I regret that I photographed it only in parts (I thought of making a model, but my hands never reached), there is no complete photo.

      What a pity, that would be a unique photograph.
  7. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 27 October 2015 07: 30 New
    -9
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Wise Kaa
    And what's that? stone in the garden of the former chairman of the UAC ???

    This is a statement of fact. hi


    It is not clear why. The man did so much for the Sukhoi Design Bureau. And they poke him for a less successful complex.
    1. Bongo
      27 October 2015 07: 37 New
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      Quote: Wise Kaa
      It is not clear why.

      Then, that "you cannot erase words from the song" No. The variant of modernization of the Su-24M from ZAO Gefest and T (OKR Metronom) turned out to be much more successful and cheaper.
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      The man did so much for the Sukhoi Design Bureau. And they poke him for a less successful complex.
      Ie when he imposed on the Air Force a less effective and more expensive complex developed by the Design Bureau, his previous "merits" were supposed to compensate for the decrease in the combat effectiveness of the bomber? wassat
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 27 October 2015 11: 36 New
      +5
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      The man did so much for the Sukhoi Design Bureau.

      From this point can be more? What did he do not only for the OKB, but also for the entire Russian aviation industry as president of United Aircraft Building OJSC?
  8. tchoni
    tchoni 27 October 2015 08: 24 New
    +6
    Mdya Like I was in Taganrog a couple of years ago, at the Red Hydropres plant, which is part of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, the impression is depressing. Osbo didn’t climb the shops, but what he saw drove into melancholy ....
  9. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 27 October 2015 09: 49 New
    -9
    Quote: Bongo
    Quote: Wise Kaa
    It is not clear why.

    Then, that "you cannot erase words from the song" No. The variant of modernization of the Su-24M from ZAO Gefest and T (OKR Metronom) turned out to be much more successful and cheaper.
    Quote: Wise Kaa
    The man did so much for the Sukhoi Design Bureau. And they poke him for a less successful complex.
    Ie when he imposed on the Air Force a less effective and more expensive complex developed by the Design Bureau, his previous "merits" were supposed to compensate for the decrease in the combat effectiveness of the bomber? wassat


    I meant the fact that they "poked" at a particular person, as if he "annoyed" something. Indeed, in the development of the same bomber, various successful and not entirely successful systems are adopted, and a specific person stands behind each such system. You can start "poking" everyone, but I did it unsuccessfully, the Americans did better. Well, get up and do better. It is clear that everyone will defend their idea. Another question is that, in fact, he is a "bad person" everywhere chopping up good ideas, for the sake of promoting his own, no matter what ... Then he is just a corrupt official, to drive such.
    1. Bongo
      27 October 2015 10: 01 New
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      Quote: Wise Kaa
      I meant the fact that they "poked" at a specific person, as if he "annoyed" something

      It was this man who "pushed" the obviously less successful version of the Su-24M2 modernization according to the Gusar design and development project. What have I sinned against the truth? what Former CEO of the company "Sukhoi" M.A. Are you a relative or acquaintance? If so, ask him why he tried to damage the country's defense.
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      You can start "poking" everyone, but I did it unsuccessfully, the Americans did better. Well, get up and do better.

      By the nature of my main activity, I do my job well, and "writing" is nothing more than entertainment. hi
      Quote: Wise Kaa
      Another question is that, in fact, he is a "bad person" everywhere chopping up good ideas, for the sake of promoting his own, no matter what ... Then he is just a corrupt official, to drive such.

      So he is already "out of business." However, I suggest not to mention this character. Since about the results of his "activities", you can say a lot more "kind words". Do you need it?
  10. Trigger-Happy
    Trigger-Happy 27 October 2015 10: 19 New
    +6
    Quote: tchoni
    Mdya Like I was in Taganrog a couple of years ago, at the Red Hydropres plant, which is part of the Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation, the impression is depressing. Osbo didn’t climb the shops, but what he saw drove into melancholy ....

    and so in almost all enterprises, units of what was now work now. But this is clearly not enough, Moscow apparently understands this, but nothing is being done, the juices are squeezed out of the remaining. Yes, there’s no one to work trivially; there are only one or two competent specialists left. Now the situation is as it should, but not where to get it! And if tomorrow is war, then what? I don’t want the infantry to go again, this time only with AKM and not with the 3rd, to flood the skyscrapers with no air support.
  11. Germanik
    Germanik 27 October 2015 11: 03 New
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    Who knows what this image is on VKS machines ??
    thank you in advance!
    1. rassom
      rassom 27 October 2015 12: 09 New
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      Emblem of Sukhoi aircraft on board the Su-24M
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 27 October 2015 12: 30 New
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      Quote: Germanik
      Who knows what this image is on VKS machines ??

      This is the emblem of the Sukhoi Design Bureau - the "winged knight".



      It was applied not only to the Su-24, but also to other Su-brand combat vehicles.
      1. ancient
        ancient 27 October 2015 15: 58 New
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        Quote: zyablik.olga
        This is the emblem of the Sukhoi Design Bureau - the "winged knight".


        Olya, absolutely true, +! love

        The initial version of the Vityaz emblem appeared in the project team around 1966, when the defense of the T6-1 model was being prepared, it was drawn by V. A. Nikolaenko.
        Yu. V. Ivashechkin added a white "wing" to it on top.
        In this initial version, it was much higher and longer, then it was "shortened" by balancing the picture in such a way that the onion opening indicated the maximum wing height. The VVS was written on the knight's shield (then there was a star).
        When the resulting emblem was shown to O.S. Samoilovich, he approved it, and in this form it appeared for the first time on the T6-1 model, on its left side, after which all the authors began to wait with bated breath for the software reaction to this "art" ... There was no reaction, which was seen as approval.



        On a real plane, such an emblem first appeared in 1969, on T6-2I (with a blue knight), at the very beginning of its tests, but then it was really removed and replaced with a more faceless "Su" emblem, and later, during the GSE on various experimental machines one could see such and such variants. However, by the time of the series, everything settled down, and the Su-24 went into operation with the same "regular" red knight.




        In relation to other machines, OKB is more complicated. There are photos of various KB-shnyh aircraft with such an emblem, for example, Su-15bis, experienced Su-17M, Su-22M, etc., on which such an emblem was applied, and in various versions, for example, not with white, but with red wing, and applied not on the port side, but on the starboard side.

        In the series, the emblems were on the Su-24 - with a red hero (on all versions), on the Su-17M2 and on the Su-17UM (with a blue hero), and on the Su-27 (with a blue hero). soldier
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 27 October 2015 22: 10 New
          +7
          I'd like to note very professional comments the ancient, by Su-24.
          Thank you so much !!!!!
        2. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 28 October 2015 07: 55 New
          +7
          Quote: ancient
          Olya, absolutely true, +!

          Thank you! smile You know who told me this ... wink
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 27 October 2015 11: 25 New
    +4
    Russian bombers for a month in intense combatants.
    And there is no serious repair base in Syria.
    In my opinion, you need to urgently change the aircraft, until they got up because of
    breakdowns. Or did not start to fall on those. reasons God forbid
    Drive new, and these - for repairs.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 27 October 2015 12: 52 New
      +8
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Russian bombers for a month in intense combatants.
      And there is no serious repair base in Syria.
      In my opinion, you need to urgently change the aircraft, until they got up because of
      breakdowns. Or did not start to fall on those. reasons God forbid
      Drive new, and these - for repairs.

      The overhaul life of large units is several hundred hours of operating time. Do you really think that sending planes to Syria did not take this into account? And with the current repair and maintenance will cope technology at the airport based.
    2. WUA 518
      WUA 518 27 October 2015 13: 01 New
      16
      Quote: voyaka uh
      And there is no serious repair base in Syria.

      TEC (Technical Operational Unit) is quite enough. They carry out all types of routine maintenance, restoration repair, repair of combat damage, rework, etc.
  13. rassom
    rassom 27 October 2015 11: 47 New
    +7
    Interesting article! I enjoyed reading while driving to work. Will there be similar materials about other aircraft?
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 27 October 2015 12: 26 New
      +8
      Quote: rassom
      Interesting article! I enjoyed reading while driving to work. Will there be similar materials about other aircraft?

      Apparently yes.
      Quote: Bongo
      At the moment I am preparing a publication about the Su-34, but I was very convincingly asked not to disclose some aspects related to its armament and avionics. So such a detailed review of the Su-24 will not work.
  14. Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 27 October 2015 14: 54 New
    +8
    Thanks to the author for a really good article.
    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. padded jacket
      padded jacket 27 October 2015 15: 49 New
      +5
      Interestingly, but for some reason my comment with a harmless photo and link was deleted belay Maybe some mistake?
      I repeat.
      "Iranian" SU-24 with samples of "local" weapons.

      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 October 2015 15: 51 New
        0
        Quote: quilted jacket
        Maybe some mistake?

        Normally koment koppy, without bends. Or you can not insert pictures.
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 27 October 2015 17: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Normally koment koppy, without bends. Or you can not insert pictures.

          I don’t know, I repeated the comment only without a link to the article and inserted without any problems. Maybe some kind of link is forbidden? lol
      2. Charik
        Charik 3 February 2016 08: 36 New
        0
        all bombs and missiles are exact copies of Russian products
  15. oreh72
    oreh72 27 October 2015 16: 34 New
    11
    I read both articles with great pleasure. Respect to the author !!!
    We are waiting for the promised about Su-34! And about the Su-25 will not be?
    (Give pills for greed, yes more, more! smile )
    1. Bongo
      28 October 2015 10: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: oreh72
      We are waiting for the promised about Su-34! And about the Su-25 will not be?

      About the Su-25, in contrast to the Su-24, there is a lot of material, both in service and in combat use. So excuse me, I try to "dig topics" that have not been seriously covered before me.
  16. 52
    52 27 October 2015 17: 08 New
    +8
    Excellent article!
  17. Bayonet
    Bayonet 27 October 2015 18: 10 New
    +8
    Good articles and interesting to read. Thank you very much! Do not stop, we are waiting for other cars. hi
    1. Bongo
      28 October 2015 10: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Bayonet
      Good articles and interesting to read. Thank you very much! Do not stop, we are waiting for other cars.

      You are welcome! hi About Soviet fighter-bombers I had about two years ago. If not laziness, you can go to the profile and search. hi
  18. By001261
    By001261 27 October 2015 20: 27 New
    +5
    Thank you very much for the excellent article, we are waiting for the continuation!
  19. luber304
    luber304 27 October 2015 22: 35 New
    +2
    In the photo "Su-24M with X-31P PLR" is not the X-31 missile
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 28 October 2015 07: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: luber304
      In the photo "Su-24M with X-31P PLR" is not the X-31 missile

      And what?
      1. luber304
        luber304 28 October 2015 08: 32 New
        +6
        In this photo, the X-58 rocket (I just can’t say the modification).
        Both X-58 and X-31P anti-radar missiles may therefore have been mistaken in posting the photograph.
  20. Wise Kaa
    Wise Kaa 28 October 2015 02: 25 New
    -3
    So he is already "out of business." However, I suggest not to mention this character. Since about the results of his "activities", you can say a lot more "kind words". Do you need it?


    The fact of the matter is that in the media the person was promoted, so much so that he was associated with the restoration of our aviation industry. And you are implying that this is far from the case. So I wondered what kind of "good deeds" he had done in reality. HE is not my relative, friend or acquaintance, but I want to know my heroes and traitors in person. If not Poghosyan, then on what people in the OKB does everything rest?
  21. _dimasik_
    _dimasik_ 28 October 2015 17: 51 New
    +6
    Both parts are very interesting, I'm waiting for an article about the su-34.
    By the way, you shouldn’t be so. With your quality approach to writing articles, it would be interesting to read about other types of aircraft. Because most of the articles on VO are superficial analysis and little information. Explanatory authors on the fingers can be counted. So think it over. It would be interesting to read about the use of su-25.
    There were good articles about Mig-23 and Mig-27, so you can not touch on them. I don’t remember who wrote it, but there were also quality articles (didn’t you write by chance?).
    1. Mister X
      Mister X 28 October 2015 21: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: _dimasik_
      About Mig-23 and Mig-27 were good articles,

      Quote: _dimasik_
      (Didn't you write by chance?).

      I follow the publications of the author.
      He wrote about them as well.
      He compiled a list of Sergey's publications on Soviet aviation:
      -Soviet fighter-bombers in battle. Part 2-i (Su-22M, MiG-23BN, MiG-27K, D and M)
      -Soviet fighter-bombers in battle. Part 1-i (Su-7, Su-17, Su-20 and Su-22
      -Soviet fighter-bomber aircraft (Su-7, Su-17, MiG-23B, MiG-27)
      -Fighter-interceptors F-106 and Su-15 "Keepers of the sky"
      -TB-1 and P-6 - the firstborn of the Soviet Long-Range Aviation
      - “Elah” against tanks (IL-2)
      - Front bomber Il-28
      -An-xnumx at war
      - Sea aviation of Russia. What's next?
      Deck aircraft. Part 2-I, USSR / Russia (Yak-36М)

      His articles here: http://topwar.ru/user/Bongo/news/page/5/
      hi
      1. _dimasik_
        _dimasik_ 29 October 2015 17: 21 New
        +5
        Thank you, read at your leisure
      2. _dimasik_
        _dimasik_ 29 October 2015 17: 21 New
        0
        Thank you, read at your leisure
  22. NIKNN
    NIKNN 28 October 2015 21: 47 New
    +8
    Thanks to the article!
    "... In this respect, of course, the Su-34 looks more preferable, but it also carries only close-range R-73 missiles with TGS. Despite the presence of an onboard radar on the Su-34, capable of detecting and tracking air targets at a considerable distance, in The Su-34 still lacks medium-range guided missiles, which means that, given all its many advantages, the newest Russian front-line bomber is only capable of conducting defensive air combat. "

    The standard weapons of the SU-34 include P-27 and RVV AE
    http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bomber/su34/su34-2.gif
    1. Bongo
      29 October 2015 05: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: NIKNN
      The standard weapons of the SU-34 include P-27 and RVV AE
      http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bomber/su34/su34-2.gif


      If you think so sincerely, I will not argue with you request I was asked not to disclose in detail the composition of the weapons of the Su-34. All visitors to the site would be very grateful if you would take the trouble to write an article on this topic. hi
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 29 October 2015 06: 50 New
        +6
        This information is publicly available.
        Although I am a pilot (reserve major), I am interested in aviation technology and aviation history, I probably read everything that is read laughing , but since you, alas, I won’t write, but I would like the readers to be as enthusiastic as this article.
        1. Bongo
          29 October 2015 07: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: NIKNN
          This information is publicly available.

          You know Nikolay, not everything that is "in the public domain" - corresponds to reality. request Do you know the number of new UR "RVV AE" delivered to the troops, or the results of the GSI Su-34?

          I am not a pilot, in the past I was involved in air defense. At the moment, I also work for the state. I started "writing" with the sole purpose of increasing the technical literacy and awareness of site visitors. hi
          1. NIKNN
            NIKNN 29 October 2015 19: 41 New
            +8
            At the expense of the number of RVV-AE, the information is actually closed, apparently still in insufficient quantity, because I have never heard of its use in combat units (there are a lot of friends), especially on the Su34, although they are based on Baltimore. Only I mean that it would be unwise not to foresee the possibility of using medium-range missiles with the support of this avionics weapon. it is not always wise to actually use the foreseen, take, for example, the GSh-24-6 envisaged on the Su23, which contradicts the concept of the combat use of this aircraft, since the tactics of using such weapons forcing such accurate and expensive equipment to be substituted for air defense with minimal damage to the enemy In other words, the tasks are different. what
            Good luck writing an article about Su34. Look forward to hi
            1. Bongo
              30 October 2015 02: 53 New
              +4
              Quote: NIKNN
              At the expense of the number of RVV-AE, the information is actually closed, apparently still in insufficient quantity, since I have never heard of its use in combat units (there are many friends), especially on the Su34, even though we are based on Baltimore.

              Exactly there. yes
              Quote: NIKNN
              Only I that it would be foolish to agree that it would not be foolish not to foresee the possibility of using medium-range SDs with the support of these armaments of avionics.

              Agree, this was not approved in the publication. The author tried to highlight the current state of affairs in this area.
              Quote: NIKNN
              Only I that not to provide for the possibility of using medium-range SDs with the support of these armament avionics would agree it would be foolish

              Absolutely agree with you yes I am sure that over time everything will be "brought to mind" ...
              Quote: NIKNN
              Good luck writing an article about Su34. Look forward to

              Thanks! The publication "F-15E vs. Su-34. Who is better?" has long been ready and "hangs" in my profile unpublished. I hope it will come out today or tomorrow. hi
  23. Kir1984
    Kir1984 29 October 2015 09: 32 New
    +3
    So ours from Shagol is there. Wow.
    Somehow this information passed me.
    I wish them good luck with all my heart.
  24. iouris
    iouris 29 October 2015 18: 21 New
    +8
    Thanks to the author for an interesting and objective article without criticism. I hope other authors and readers will stop provoking shap-hack sentiments and begin to look more objectively at the history of development and the current level of our military technologies. I would like to single out one point, to which attention is drawn in the article, for pointing out which I was once viciously cursed at one of the forums: the Su-34, unlike the Su-24, is not very suitable for breaking through air defense at low altitudes. This advantage of the Su-24 is associated with a higher specific wing loading. If it turns out that this mode is in demand, then in the future it will be necessary to develop a specialized aircraft. The miscalculations in equipping the aircraft with cannon armament were very correctly noted. We can talk about a well-known design defect that prevents the use of guns on all domestic aircraft, not only on the Su-24. By the way, SPPU-23 could be effectively used in Syria during the storming of columns at night, if ... Summary: something must be done, finally, or the guns must be removed. And the last thing. It is not clear when Poghosyan managed to become so "bronzed"? Personally, I support the author and I think the conclusions about the personal responsibility of this manager are quite reasonable. Poghosyan is a "doer" of the "dashing 1990" and that says it all. We will not have another life.
  25. chetbor
    chetbor 22 November 2015 18: 29 New
    0
    Straightening the second part - not everything is smooth ... alas
    - Libya managed to get not all the ordered planes before the introduction of international sanctions. They did not fly very actively in this country; they were more idle at airfields. However, after the outbreak of the civil war, part of the small Libyan Su-24MK was still in flight condition and was involved in delivering occasional air strikes against the rebels. At the same time, extremely unguided weapons were used very ineptly. In response with anti-aircraft fire, one bomber was shot down ... 05.03.2011/24/38, Crash of the Su-23mk Libyan Air Force, board 4, the plane was shot down from ZPU-06.03.2011-24. The crew died. Photo is avaiable. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the crash of the Su-XNUMXmk Libyan Air Force. The Libyan Government Air Force crew, after hijacking an aircraft in the direction of the rebels, tried to land on the highway in the Ras Lunofom area. The rebels did not understand the crew’s intention and were shot down during the landing approach maneuver. The crew died.
    - An interesting fact is that the Algerian Air Force received the upgraded Su-24M with the SVP-24 system from CJSC Hephaestus T earlier than the Russian Air Force. Lobbied by the former CEO of Sukhoi, M.A. Pogosyan’s aiming and navigation system, developed by the Design Bureau and NIIREC (ROC "Gusar"), which had worse performance, was reasonably rejected by Algerian representatives. There are three modifications of the Su-24M: Hephaestus, Metronome and Hussar. Each has its own advantages and disadvantages when comparing.
    - Syria actively used its Su-24MK against the Islamists. Syrian "twenty-four" suffered major losses not in the air, but with artillery and mortar shelling of airfields. In September 2014, one Su-24MK Syrian Air Force was shot down by a Patriot air defense missile when it approached the border with Israel. 28.11/2012. 24, shot down Su-23.09.2014mk, Syrian Air Force. The plane was shot down by militants from MANPADS. 24/2/8, a Su-57mk800 Syrian Air Force plane was shot down over the Golan. It is reported that at 24:104 a Syrian plane crossed the ceasefire line and plunged into Israeli airspace for 11.06.2015 meters. A minute after this, the Su-24 was hit by the MIM-2 Patriot SAM and fell on the territory of Syria, there was an ejection of both pilots. One crew member - Syrian Air Force Colonel died. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the Syrian Air Force Su-XNUMXmkXNUMX crashed. The place of fall is the district of the city of Bosra al-Harir in the province of Daraa. The plane fell burning from a relatively high altitude. And these are only their open sources ...
    - Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir said that these aircraft will be used "only to repel external aggression". Alas, the president gave the word, took the word ... Sudanese suitcase - works from the Saudis in Yemen.
    hi
  26. chetbor
    chetbor 22 November 2015 18: 29 New
    0
    - For the training of crews of the 196th and 559th BAP ... Firstly, "bap" is written in lowercase letters, but secondly - 196 bap - who is it ?????
    - On October 4, 1999, during a reconnaissance flight, the Su-24MR from the 11th RAP was lost. The pilot died while the navigator successfully ejected and was captured by the Chechens, but later he managed to escape. So, dear author, even Google knows that 11 oraps, since ALWAYS reconnaissance regiments and ai were SEPARATE - that is orap and orae. And in the sequel - the crew Mr. Stukalo KA and navigator st. ln Smyslov EN, during a flight to perform reconnaissance of targets in the area of ​​the Urus-Mortan NP, the plane was shot down during the next approach (from the same direction and maneuver), the crew ejected, but due to the low altitude, it worked normally only the navigator’s K-36d, the pilot died in a strike on the ground. The navigator was captured and was released after a special operation on November 24.
    - On May 7, 2000, a Su-24MR was shot down from MANPADS near the Chechen village of Benoy-Vedeno, both crew members were killed. Unlike previous attempts, the calculation of the anti-aircraft complex acted extremely competently and calmly. The missile was launched from a successful firing position and at the most favorable moment for the defeat of the aircraft's turn. We will leave attempts to multiply the successes of the militants aside. The crew, flight commander Mr. Kazakov Yu.V., navigator, Mr. Kurdyukov E.V., while performing a special mission for reconnaissance and monitoring the results of the strike, the plane collided with a mountain in the region of 7 km southeast of Benoy-Vedeno, the northern slope of 1449,5 mark on N = 1295m crew died. As a result of the AKP on May 15, a plane crash site was discovered. Search and evacuation of the remains of the crew and fragments of the aircraft. Trying to get out under the clouds in the mountains ...
    - In total, about 2 sorties took place in the 24nd Chechen Su-24M and Su-800MR. Su-24, Su-24m and Su-24mr participated in both companies.
    - In the “Russian-Georgian war” of 2008, bombers were involved: the Su-24M of the 959th BAP ... The question arises, where did the Su-24m come from, if there have always been simple Su-24s before the dispersal of the regiment ...
    hi
    Well, how it will be removed from service, it will be possible to write more ...
    1. ancient
      ancient 24 November 2015 17: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: chetbor
      but the second - 196 bap - ento who ?????


      Then there was a "thought" to form 196 bap from Yeisk and from Lebyazhka, and 11 bap to "chuck" to Orae and give to Morozovsk and another one somewhere else .. I don’t remember, but ... didn’t fuse.

      Yes .. in Yeisk there were only simple T-6s .. which were then sold at auction in 2012, but .. all these T-6s were also "modernized" according to the ROC .. "Metronome" wink
  27. Charik
    Charik 3 February 2016 08: 06 New
    +1
    but by chance it's not x-58 hanging on the photo where it is signed that x-31p
    1. Bongo
      3 February 2016 08: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Charik
      but by chance it's not x-58 hanging on the photo where it is signed that x-31p

      She is the one who signed the park wrong, my cant. hi
  28. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 14: 18 New
    +3
    worthy stuff, thanks!