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Confession of an army sysadmin

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Necessary author's preface. In general, it was planned as a kind of interview, but, processing the recording of our conversation, I decided to do it as a monologue of the narrator. It turns out more understandable and accessible. Moreover, unlike many representatives of the younger generation, my interlocutor is really burdened by intelligence and patriotism.


Confession of an army sysadmin


So it turned out that I work as a system administrator in one military unit. The part is not combat, but on the contrary, technical. Engaged in the repair and maintenance of equipment that comes from the entire HVAC. In short, a medium-sized rembase.

I got there quite a patronized, one might say. Yes, I love computers and I think at a decent level. Even studying for a programmer. In absentia. It would be possible and in person, but the point? He gave the debt to the Motherland, because the first attempt to get a higher education was successfully failed by me because of my own carelessness and the desire to get rich, which led me for a year under Kandalaksha. I don’t know what, if necessary, an anti-tanker will turn out of me, but I still tremble from the photo of Metis on the Internet.

We were also taught to use the “cornet”, but in theory. But the "Metis", to which the brigade of rockets just shaft, and dragged them from the heart, and shoot.

Dembelnuvshis felt the new horizons of being. Re-entered the university, and of course, began to look for where to put yourself in terms of earnings. By specialty, of course. You know how it is with this, settled in two offices at once, where there was no need to sit from call to call. Naturally, the "gray scheme". But it suits me, the counter is ticking, and my name is when it caught fire.

And it would be nothing, but in my house and in the same staircase with me there is one major who serves in this unit and whom I foolishly reanimated the comp.

So I received an invitation to work for the benefit of our army.

On the one hand, the work is official, experience, such as even a public service. Well, I do not have a bright prejudice against our sun. And I agreed. True, I'm not a system administrator. There is no such unit in the staff list. I am a mechanic in part time BOD. BOD is not a ship, of course, but a bath and laundry complex. And I’m his locksmith and mechanic for a year and a half. Although during this time I was not honored to look at it. There is no need.

In general, they took me as a person who understands computers and other things with the wording "we need a competent fighter for electronic trading, well, in general, everything is in order." I'll start with the second part. With tidying up everything.

It turned out that there is nothing to put in order. Not in the sense that everything is fine, but in the fact that there is nothing in the unit. That is, computers are, but they are not on the balance sheet. Not provided. As well as printers. And in which case (and the case came on the third week of my work) it is not possible to buy any parts.

I found out that the commander had provided the accounting department with computers in a very simple way. He wrote out bonuses to employees who purchased equipment on them and then wrote him official memos or reports (depending on who was a military man or a civilian) with a request to allow them to work for the good of the part on a personal computer. And so they work. What software is on them, I think, it is not worth explaining. If something unplanned happens, like a deceased video card from a GlavBukh, then it is unrealistic to buy another in return. No articles, no money. Who helps out? That's right, zampotyl. And the dumper in the repair base is correct. That is, able to give birth to vidyuhi within a couple of hours.

Although this summer was a light shock. Already allocated 120 thousands for the purchase of licensed software. Strange, there are no computers, but they give money for software. Well, we are a little weighed, and the grid was also patched up.

In general, in a year and a half, the work was somehow improved. That is, I am not ashamed of getting a salary of seven and a half thousand for me. Considering that I come half a day once a week for prevention, so listen to the complaints, and when something is broken or not there is poked with a finger. Well, give bonuses. The prize is generally such a thing, tangible.

So I do not seem to strain really, but the work is being done. At least, the accounting goes automatically, reports are formed, the authorities are happy. Only the sword of Damocles still hangs, if something suddenly covers. Then yes, alarm, alarm, throwing.

And in August, I decided to jerk to the south. With a good company, and even with a girl. So to say, to consolidate dating. And on the fourth day, as soon as everything entered the proper course, it “flew in”. A call from the authorities, and the chief accountant did not call, as usual, but the comrade lieutenant colonel himself. Like where you are, you are not just needed, but urgently needed. My attempts to jump off, they say, in the south, four hundred kilometers, maybe upon arrival, did not yield any result. The car is leaving for you, tell me just where to drive. Otherwise, the khan will come to all of us here, let's go to the execution, at best.

Shuddering from the prospect of driving 400 km on an UAZ and being shot at best, I began to prepare for departure. True, the arrival not of a soldier on the “goat”, but of two Komendachi on the “Focus” with flashing lights somewhat pleased, but at the same time raised the level of my importance in the company to the skies. So he did not rise above average. Yes, they talked about what was not very hot, apparently, otherwise they would send a helicopter. But thanks to that.

All attempts to find out what happened there in ambala carrying me, gave nothing. "Yes, you have a bum there," one remarked gloomily. "True, not only you." Very impressive start.

Bursting into my own accounting, I saw a picture that could shake the hair of any admin to the very roots. Nothing worked. Honestly, I wanted to ask in Watson's voice: “But damn it, Holmes, HOW?”, And then cry.

It turned out that on the second day, as I left, the newest antivirus was delivered. Recommended, if I may say so, by the Ministry of Defense. That is mandatory to use. Since I was not in the city, the commander, as usual, entrusted this to the imperial commander. And he, without thinking for a long time, shook himself in the hospital, to a friend, and he, out of the kindness of his heart, gave him a disease soldier. Who seems to be thinking in computers. The soldier antivirus installed, according to the instructions, everything is fine. But then Doctor Web asked him if it was necessary to change all the settings as it should be? And he, without thinking, answered in the affirmative. And launched a full scan.

In general, this doctor cut out everything he considered necessary. And he considered everything harmful, except for the licensed "Windows". The finish. Then there were three weeks of shock labor, under the watchful eye of a fairly relaxed warehouse and accounting. Which was not very pleasant to manually write out all movements. And we moved a lot, because it was through our repair base that the surrounding parts were supplied with oil, filters and other trifles.

After restoring everything, I thought that you can relax. It was not there. Then a nightmare began in the form of a series of inspections by a commission to oversee the preservation of state secrets. It is clear that the secret must be kept, especially the state one. And now I will tell, in fact, why I started all this story.

This year Shoygu's order to maximize the protection of information systems came to all parts. Apparently, they could not agree with Medvedev, and the spit was really found on a stone. Medvedev issued a decree (or whatever else) on the conduct of all public procurement through bidding on electronic platforms. And about electronic payments for these purchases. And we are just public procurement warehouses and stuff. And here begins.

It turns out that we should participate in all electronic auctions, but with the observance of a proper level of secrecy. Namely:

1. Computers from which they enter the bidding sites should be as closed as possible from outsiders. Well, it's simple, even though there is a time hiding behind an armored door, there will be no problems in any military unit.

2. This notorious "Doctor Web" should be installed on the computer. Which "Doctor" is purely nominally, it is great to cross over. And he has his own updates, and he sends the reports to the wrong place. Where to send. Okay, this question seems to be closed. Only now we still need to put all programs only licensed. Also experienced.

3. The provider must also not be anyhow. And what should be. Whether the military, I do not know. But the situation is funny - it is impossible to connect to the usual ones, and to what can or should be, nobody knows.

4. Subscriber station with data encryption system. This is understandable, it is logical.

5. Responsible for bidding. A person who has access to an electronic platform through a secret computer.

Actually we will execute point 1 and point 2 is really executed. And the rest ... dreams.

1. No computers. That is, they are, but they are not. Well, one for the part where they are engaged in procurement, it is not difficult to allocate / buy. Moreover, not all units in our troops are purchased at these auctions.

3. Provider ... Rumor has it that it seems that military communication should be involved, but this is rumor. In reality, never faced them. But how then to do this work, how to buy something, if you have sex for connecting to a civilian provider, the commander, and there is no other?

4. There is still a moment. The HGT service (state secret storage, if for short) should give us permission for the equipment of the subscriber station. And on the basis of this permit, they must allocate money for the purchase of equipment. But permission is not given, because there is no domain yet on which this item should be implemented. No permission, no money, all in a circle.

5. I'm not the only one, I know for sure. Get a job at the Ministry of Defense, and yes even in my specialty ... I don’t know where else, maybe in Moscow, otherwise, but we do. The hospital is well settled, they have as a call - so new free looking at the computers. But there is little sense, because every six months they change, and even more often. I know all of my own, you can even predict who will knock and when.

Why did I start telling all this? To be honest, I like it in my part. And then I would like to work, only with a normal design and other pleasures. Do not fitter in the bath. And so that the salary was ... worthy. Because, even adjusting the computers of our accounting, pumping them out after the next "Maksik, something happened to me," there is a feeling that you are doing a useful job. An order of magnitude higher than one fund in which I also work. They pay more money there, but people do not understand what. Pleasure zero. And in part it is another matter. It is clear that the army without marasmus that sex without orgasm, but not to the same extent?

I would very much like to have all this adjusted. For all, only it will be better.
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  1. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 23 October 2015 06: 36
    24
    I read and laugh! It seems that everything stands still in terms of providing a personal computer for military units! How was it left in the 2000s? fellow The very same problems with the procurement, with the conduct of special examinations, with the observance of the HRT regime! In general, things are still there! repeat
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 23 October 2015 08: 56
      13
      here honestly at these points:
      ... It turns out that we must participate in all electronic bidding, but with due respect for the secrecy. Namely:

      1. Computers from which they enter the bidding sites should be as closed as possible from outsiders. Well, it's simple, even though there is a time hiding behind an armored door, there will be no problems in any military unit.

      2. This notorious "Doctor Web" should be installed on the computer. Which "Doctor" is purely nominally, it is great to cross over. And he has his own updates, and he sends the reports to the wrong place. Where to send. Okay, this question seems to be closed. Only now we still need to put all programs only licensed. Also experienced.

      3. The provider must also not be anyhow. And what should be. Whether the military, I do not know. But the situation is funny - it is impossible to connect to the usual ones, and to what can or should be, nobody knows.

      4. Subscriber station with data encryption system. This is understandable, it is logical.

      5. Responsible for bidding. A person who has access to an electronic platform through a secret computer.

      I did not see anything illogical. Everything is written there correctly. This is just a performance through one place. I will say so, the commander of the unit is quite obliged and had to bring both the staff and equipment in accordance with the realities, i.e. and computers to materialize and register and enter the position. Very troublesome, but possible. Just did not want to hassle, everything worked fine. It should not be that the zampotyle can unofficially draw a video card (the question is, why did she stay on the office computer), this is a window to the theft of funds that no one wanted to close.
      1. brn521
        brn521 23 October 2015 12: 54
        15
        Quote: Max Otto
        I did not see anything illogical. Everything is written there correctly. This is just a performance through one place.

        No. The jamb is at the original source that allowed this regulation to be executed. He lives either somewhere abroad, or on the moon, or behind a fence on Rublevka. We have the whole government like that, no wonder. Neither responsibility, nor feedback, that is why frankly crude projects are being released.
        Quote: Max Otto
        It shouldn’t be that zampotypl can unofficially draw a video card

        You can't do without it. Because it's one thing when the system works on securities, "as expected." Another thing is when it is based on people who, if necessary, are able to perform "miracles". First, the business is done, then the papers are drawn up. And if, to act correctly, first draw up all the paperwork, and then do the job, the matter will drag on for weeks. And then it will completely stagnate if coordination with some completely insane elements is required.
        1. The point
          The point 24 October 2015 14: 34
          +3
          Quote: brn521
          No. The jamb is at the original source that allowed this regulation to be executed. He lives either somewhere abroad, or on the moon, or behind a fence on Rublevka.

          In relation to the article I’ll add, the more oaks in the army, the stronger our defense. Sometimes it seems to me that our government is being completed on the same principle.
      2. vadson
        vadson 23 October 2015 12: 55
        +4
        Good day, mothers are without video cards, therefore external ones are necessary. And so he has not yet described all hemorrhoids - those who work at state organizations with data containing information about people have several levels of hemorrhoids for data security
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 October 2015 22: 27
          0
          vadson

          Like a person with knowledge. Question.

          How can I connect a secret network to the Internet? I think it's criminal.

          Maybe I'm wrong.
          1. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 29 November 2015 19: 24
            0
            Quote: gladcu2
            How can I connect a secret network to the Internet? I think it's criminal.

            it is even forbidden to insert flash drives into the service computers that do not have a special FSB check, if they are not sealed at all, and you can get an article for connecting a civil Internet.

            If a person is related to the army, then obviously not to the combat unit, but to some kind of "officers' house" or a similar sharashka.
      3. I am
        I am 23 October 2015 13: 59
        +4
        Come on. Zamototy - cool. And to be honest, all that is written in this article is almost written about me))))))))))))))))) And the schemes are described and the interaction and pleasure from work.
        And the unit commander is also great. I will not say where, in addition to the local polytechnic, there is also an "electronic engineer". No, well, better than a "mechanic", just me and the soldering station, not very friendly, but nothing)))))))))))))))). Although people joke that fingernails are better than tweezers.
        1. Altona
          Altona 24 October 2015 20: 36
          0
          Quote: I am
          Come on. Zamototy - cool. And to be honest, all that is written in this article is almost written about me))))))))))))))))) And the schemes are described and the interaction and pleasure from work.

          -----------------------
          I read the article as a reportage about a "Martian" faced with our reality, for him parallel of course ...
      4. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 23 October 2015 17: 36
        +1
        Quote: Max Otto
        the commander of the unit was quite obliged and had to bring the staff and equipment in line with the realities

        How is this? The realities are such that the commander cannot buy any computers, since computers are not provided for by norms and other documents! Well this is not his company, this is a budget organization, besides MO!
        A situation familiar to laughs through tears. You stand in the traffic police, and the local computer chews data per person for 15 minutes. And if it doesn’t fly out, then it’s good, but if it flies out - backwaters first ... You ask - why didn’t they steer the base, is there really nobody? They answer - the computer programmer needs to take out six months to the required clearance. And the salary is such that he quits after a month maximum, so now there is none.
        It is necessary to change the cameras on a budget object. It is impossible! Why? No costs are foreseen. But they broke! So what, don’t you understand, aren’t provided for !! So would a reserve for replacement of equipment be laid in the service contract? It is impossible. The bosses held tenders until the service fell by the amount that was enough for gasoline to get to the serviced object once a month. Etc.
        The commander will be dismissed through the court much earlier than he will bring the computer park in line with the realities. It is impossible because. We are fighting for order here, and you are climbing with your realities! Order is a beautiful, motionless, cobblestone picture. It does not provide for any living movements ....
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 23 October 2015 19: 44
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Order is a beautiful, motionless, cobblestone picture

          In granite :-)
      5. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 29 November 2015 19: 15
        0
        Quote: Max Otto
        those. and computers to materialize and register and enter the position.

        1. Computers for part, although not always in the right amount, but stand out. Normal commanders immediately put them on record, otherwise there will be problems with the FSB and the FSB. Service computers should have at least a special check from the FSB and be registered with the person who works for him.
        2. In parts there is no complexity of the system administrator. Specialists of Voentelecom are engaged in repair and equipment settings.
    2. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 23 October 2015 10: 52
      +7
      Who served in the army does not laugh at the circus.
    3. Will
      Will 23 October 2015 11: 32
      +7
      A good boss is the one who really represents the entire chain from zero to the maximum return of the required result from his activities, and when the management does not represent what is needed to be, then it turns out as it turns out. For Russians, ingenuity so far helps, but with the introduction of Civilized "norms, when everything is" estimated "by the amount of money, the end of earthly life, both military and civil, will clearly be ensured. Today, all of us can be saved by compics, taking upon themselves correct calculations, but if the correct calculations will be correct guys - those to whom truth and justice are more valuable than any other value. My opinion.
    4. Juborg
      Juborg 24 October 2015 22: 27
      +1
      It is high time for the bear to press the kokushka with the door and ask, "why are you crap?"
    5. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 29 November 2015 19: 03
      +2
      Quote: astronom1973n
      I read and laugh! It seems that everything stands still in terms of providing a personal computer for military units! How was it left in the 2000s? The very same problems with the procurement, with the conduct of special examinations, with the observance of the HRT regime!

      and what’s laughing, the story of an amateur in computers, which is not a system administrator for not knowing the basics of work.
      In all military units there is a closed satellite Internet for official use and are not bidding there.

      The article has a bunch of outright lies.
  2. blizart
    blizart 23 October 2015 06: 52
    +9
    Oh sore subject! The defense of state secrets ("eight" in the army vernacular) is now on our top. There is a lot of power and authority. Hundreds, laptops are their enemies, we would have their problems. Earlier, as it was convenient for me, I came from the service, copied all the VO articles and read at the service, in my free time from sleep. Now checks are checks. But how can you stop us if we don't want to ?! So just slow down! But seriously, can anyone turn on the camera on my laptop without me? Or browse the content?
    1. SeregaBoss
      SeregaBoss 23 October 2015 07: 16
      +9
      Of course they can, don’t worry, but they can also get through to your switched off mobile phone.
      Our armor is strong and our software is omnipotent !!! laughing
      1. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 23 October 2015 12: 27
        +2
        And your licensed version of Windows never turned on the computer to "update" in the middle of the night? Yes, you can "turn off", but will it turn off for real. And a module for remote control of a computer over a network is flashed into every OS of Microsoft. So "sugie" is quite justified for itself, from the point of view of "defense of the fatherland". Another thing is that often stupidity creates just fabulous metamorphoses with these logical things.
        1. Nonik
          Nonik 24 October 2015 21: 16
          +2
          And your licensed version of Windows never turned on the computer to "update" in the middle of the night?
          Only if enabled in the settings and the computer in a dream. If the BIOS is turned off, and in Windows - the awakening for updates - then nothing will happen.
        2. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 29 November 2015 19: 31
          0
          Quote: IrbenWolf
          And your licensed version of Windows never turned on the computer to "update" in the middle of the night? Yes, you can "turn off", but will it turn off for real. And a module for remote control of a computer over a network is flashed into every OS of Microsoft. So "sugie" is quite justified for itself, from the point of view of "defense of the fatherland". Another thing is that often stupidity creates just fabulous metamorphoses with these logical things.

          What signal to turn on from the Internet, on a computer that is not connected to the Internet? Yes, and on computers that are designed to work with official documents, Linux is mainly worth it. Of course fig, and not everywhere, but worth it. And new computers are only delivered with him.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 07: 17
      +6
      Quote: blizart
      But seriously, can anyone turn on the camera on my laptop without me?

      Maybe there are programs that allow you to do this, there really is a notification popping up on the remote computer that the camera is on, if you remove the notifications and you won’t know that you or your desktop are being watched, unless the processes are constantly monitored
      1. Genry
        Genry 23 October 2015 10: 11
        +5
        Quote: sa-ag
        you won’t even know that you or your desktop are being watched, unless processes are constantly monitored

        Black marker does not defeat any program!
    3. nva8
      nva8 23 October 2015 15: 01
      0
      It is much easier than you think.
  3. sa-ag
    sa-ag 23 October 2015 06: 57
    +7
    "... Then there were three weeks of shock work"

    There are no daily backups in critical places, as I understand it?
    1. Selendis
      Selendis 23 October 2015 08: 51
      +6
      Xs, what kind of system administrator, you're right, any important information or system should wear periodic backups)))
  4. Horst78
    Horst78 23 October 2015 06: 59
    -1
    I recommend installing ROSA OS. There will be no problems with software.
    1. partizan86
      partizan86 23 October 2015 08: 36
      0
      Well, serious toys under Windows, of course, and they won’t go there?
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 23 October 2015 09: 00
        0
        Quote: partizan86
        partizan86 SU Today, 08: 36 ↑ New

        Well, serious toys under Windows, of course, and they won’t go there?

        Wanted to play shooting games? lol That's why she and the state. OS to not play, but were busy with business.
    2. Genry
      Genry 23 October 2015 10: 16
      +6
      Quote: Horst78
      I recommend installing ROSA OS. There will be no problems with software.

      OCA died ...
      We need something public based on RedHat / CentOS.
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 23 October 2015 10: 46
        -1
        Quote: Genry
        Genry SU Today, 10: 16 ↑ New

        Quote: Horst78
        I recommend installing ROSA OS. There will be no problems with software.

        OCA died ...
        We need something public based on RedHat / CentOS.

        Why does it work for me? what

        9
        OS ROSA "CHROME"

        ROSA "CHROME" is an operating system certified by the FSTEC of Russia in desktop and server versions, used by government agencies and industrial enterprises working with government authorities. Recommended for working with state secrets. It can be used in automated systems of level not higher than 1B.


        16
        OS ROSA "COBALT"

        The ROSA KOBALT operating system is certified by the FSTEC of Russia in the desktop and server versions and is used by commercial structures, industrial enterprises and government bodies working with confidential information, including personal data. It can be used in automated systems of level no higher than 1Г.

        http://www.rosalab.ru/
        Download, enjoy smile
        1. 4thParasinok
          4thParasinok 14 December 2015 19: 44
          0
          Quote: Horst78
          Download, enjoy

          only for HOME USE, for everyone else - for the money, which means that in the account must be paid account ...
      2. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 23 October 2015 12: 32
        0
        Here! Exactly! And the IT direction will tighten (so that the staff will not go to Google and Facebook) and import substitution on the face.
  5. RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 23 October 2015 07: 29
    10
    Here you are, grandmother, and St. George’s Day! .. I read the second material for today from Roman Skomorokhov and the second time there is a persistent feeling - a provocation, however! .. belay
    The most unobjectionable statement: "... my interlocutor is really burdened with intellect and patriotism." I would also add - "maximalism". It so happened that after the "demobilization" I not only did not lose contact with the Armed Forces and my unit, but also became directly related to the formation of the so-called "number" in the troops. I really understand a young man yes , but he now only fits to "} {0тТ @ bb) chu" (Hottabych in the film of the same name by Peter Tochilin in 2006) to address. All at once and without flaws - only to wizards, especially in such matters. Everyone shouts: "Isn't there a little left-handers in the Fatherland? Why can't we immediately ?!" fellow Have you tried to design and configure a little way grid? And to build a hierarchy on a national scale, having built into it already existing control bodies (and where are without them, darlings? wink )? Such work in terms of scale can be compared with Tselina, BAM, and Dneproges, if you like. hi
    PySy: if someone catches a Golden Fish today (well, or its analogue in the form of a pike ... wassat ) - do not be greedy, customize it to a respected author - he already knows for sure how to use it correctly. IMHO hi
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 07: 36
      11
      Quote: RU-Officer
      but he now only fits to "} {0mT @ b) chu" (Hottabych in the film of the same name by Peter Tochilin in 2006) to address. All at once and without flaws - only to wizards, especially in such matters.

      As far as I understood from the text, the grid there is the simplest - peer-to-peer, there was no talk at all about the domain controller or gateway, the Internet router is distributing, the accounting database is somewhere in the chief accountant, the rest is about the same. there is no need to be a magician, just a competent specialist, here the author asks the question "well, why do I need full-time education", he would most likely learn something in full-time, this of course depends on the university
      1. rassom
        rassom 23 October 2015 08: 12
        +2
        it depends on experience
      2. Selendis
        Selendis 23 October 2015 08: 54
        +4
        ))) what did you want? Two domains, fiber mesh? The distance of the strapping is 200 km?)) And the tie is not only for a part but also for the next ones, for every fireman)). Everything - as usual, would have slapped a file server on ubuntu, with backup, would have shoved 1c databases and a trash can there, there would have been fewer problems
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 23 October 2015 08: 56
          +4
          Quote: Selendis
          fiber optic mesh

          good thing, put it down and forget it until the media converter dies of old age :-)
        2. Genry
          Genry 23 October 2015 10: 24
          0
          Quote: Selendis
          would put a file server on ubuntu, with

          Ubuntu? laughing
          She doesn't have a basic security system. No immune system !!!
          Only serious distributions with SELinux can be installed.
      3. vadson
        vadson 23 October 2015 13: 03
        +3
        It also depends on the payment - a peer-to-peer network for 7500 - put it and forgot - and with domains, servers and all kinds of services and security, the payment should be completely different since the time costs are completely different
    2. hitech
      hitech 23 October 2015 17: 52
      0
      Quote: RU-Officer
      Here you are, grandmother, and St. George’s Day! .. I read the second material for today from Roman Skomorokhov and the second time there is a persistent feeling - a provocation, however! .. belay
      The most unobjectionable statement: "... my interlocutor is really burdened with intellect and patriotism." I would also add - "maximalism". It so happened that after the "demobilization" I not only did not lose contact with the Armed Forces and my unit, but also became directly related to the formation of the so-called "number" in the troops. I really understand a young man yes , but he now only fits to "} {0тТ @ bb) chu" (Hottabych in the film of the same name by Peter Tochilin in 2006) to address. All at once and without flaws - only to wizards, especially in such matters. Everyone shouts: "Isn't there a little left-handers in the Fatherland? Why can't we immediately ?!" fellow Have you tried to design and configure a little way grid? And to build a hierarchy on a national scale, having built into it already existing control bodies (and where are without them, darlings? wink )? Such work in terms of scale can be compared with Tselina, BAM, and Dneproges, if you like. hi
      PySy: if someone catches a Golden Fish today (well, or its analogue in the form of a pike ... wassat ) - do not be greedy, customize it to a respected author - he already knows for sure how to use it correctly. IMHO hi


      What the hell is provocation? You’re not a RU officer. The guy says business. HOW USUALLY A LOT OF HEADS WITH ITS DIRECTIONS. AND YOU GO BACK AND TUNE THROUGH ONE PLACE.
  6. Riv
    Riv 23 October 2015 08: 19
    +5
    Well, there are a few nuances that make me doubt that the author really serves.
    First: the situation described by him is impossible. If the unit commander receives an order that prescribes something to him, then the order will be executed "from now on," and otherwise the executor has complete freedom of action within the framework of the regulations. If the order prohibits something - the same thing. That is, the order either contains a list of providers to which you can connect, or a list of those to whom you cannot connect. Uncertainty is impossible here in principle. Any uncertainty for a soldier is freedom of action.
    That is, the situation described by the author for the unit commander is not a problem in principle.

    Secondly: the unit commander hired a civilian specialist. This happens. But the civilian personnel of a military unit obey the statutes and orders in the same way. If he leaves somewhere (business trip, vacation - it doesn’t matter), a deputy remains in his place. This is a must. Otherwise, they won’t let him go anywhere, because the unit commander, who released the specialist and did not appoint an acting one, automatically makes himself the acting one. A military man who does not understand this simple principle will never become a unit commander and will not rise above two small stars.

    Thirdly: it doesn’t happen that some work is going on in the unit and the one who is responsible for such work was not informed of it. They will find at least at the pole and warn. This is a matter of combat readiness. In a week, the person responsible will return and stick in for three days. Maybe she won’t understand anything. And then - war, and then what to do?

    Fourth: there is more than one such RF in Russia. There are parts in which the described problem is solved and solved correctly. A serviceman is sent to such a unit, he studies the issue and, returning to his native unit, does as it should. That is why the commander of the unit will never, never, never, NEVER hire a specialist from a civilian for part-time jobs, for three hours a week. This is again a question of the combat effectiveness of the unit and the service compliance of its commander.
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 23 October 2015 09: 00
      0
      There is a part of the paramilitary, so the situation is just possible wink
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        1. Max otto
          Max otto 23 October 2015 12: 38
          +6
          Quote: Riv
          What does "half" mean ??? There are no "semi-military" units. Not provided for by statutes.

          This is not in the charters, but in life there. I started working at a construction plant subordinate to the USSR Ministry of Defense. The colonel is the head of the plant, not the director, but the head. Half of the engineers and technicians are military, half are civilian, workers are all civilian, the relationship is completely civilian, though there are more pluses: the higher authorities were many times less and the workforce was inexhaustible, a little shredded, they brought soldiers from parts. There, the author has almost the same office, as I understand it, procurement, distribution and storage, nothing secret.
          True, he exposes his unit commander very coolly. After all, there is one stump, and hands reach the facts. Then the questions for the commander will begin: why is the civilian involved in the system, and even the locksmith, there will be secrecy on the papers in any way, and this is an occasion to start a case for the military prosecutor's office. And no one will ask him about the presence of a post in the staff list, they will only establish the fact of violation. In the best case, they will dismiss them. The author wanted the best, I understand.
          1. Riv
            Riv 23 October 2015 13: 56
            +1
            So you yourself answered your remark: "brought soldiers from other units." You did not have a military unit there, but a regime enterprise. This is somewhat different. The Ministry of Medium Machine Building also had such factories, and instead of soldiers, they could well bring in prisoners.
            The main difference is that, unlike the HF, the personnel of the sensitive facility are not part of the garrison, and the military personnel serving the facility did not carry out the combat mission. Protection was carried out by units of the BB, or VOHR.

            Well, I don’t know, of course, how it is now, but in those days it was impossible so simply to "lock the computer and put the sentry." The commander of the security unit did not obey the leadership of the secure facility, and in order to change the schedule of posts, the director had to wriggle out of his skin.
    2. gunya
      gunya 24 October 2015 21: 54
      0
      it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines, and walk on them!
  7. partizan86
    partizan86 23 October 2015 08: 31
    +2
    I was only surprised why it wasn’t a helicopter but a car, so I read on and see the answer. It’s the same with the antivirus, I’ve already grabbed it by the head, how you can install it, it’s also some kind of special version, but it’s strange that they didn’t choose Casper, probably cheaper.
    This is how they allow outsiders to machines. Everything can be, but one person should be engaged in computers, even in trifles.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 5 November 2015 14: 37
      0
      From Casper, computers will actually become stupid, because Probably there is little RAM in the hardware.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 14 December 2015 19: 48
        0
        Quote: Black Colonel
        From Casper, computers will actually become stupid, because Probably there is little RAM in the hardware.

        it is only when there is little RAM in the head of the system administrator and user. Any program must be configured.
  8. Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 23 October 2015 08: 33
    0
    Renamed, or what? There used to be "HRT" ...
  9. 3vs
    3vs 23 October 2015 08: 37
    +9
    In general, it has long been necessary to set a task for our mathematicians and programmers in
    development of its network protocol, not based on TCP / IP, the protocol will stand up
    the issue of the release of its network equipment (network cards, switches, routers).
    Consumers - Moscow Region, Federal Security Service, Ministry of Internal Affairs, state. organs.
    Further, it will reach civilian consumers.
    Where you need the Internet, your own gateway.

    He proposed to oblige the company 1С with the release of configurations for the military, state. structures
    include in supported SQL servers except Microsoft, IBM, Oracle, Postgre
    our only, probably, completely domestic Linter, guys from Voronezh
    style - a thing with all degrees of protection for military use and
    responsible facilities (nuclear power plants, gas pipelines, flight management ...)
    As a result, the Ministry of Communications answered that “we have no right to dictate to manufacturers
    what tools to use "!
    They have no right!
    But the state is right when it is bought at the state expense for
    software organization, require that the SQL server must be domestic,
    the same Linter!
    Here is an example of import substitution in action!
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 08: 42
      +5
      Quote: 3vs
      In general, it has long been necessary to set a task for our mathematicians and programmers in
      developing your own network protocol, not based on TCP / IP

      When we started with the number system, there was a project called "Setun", software built on the ternary system
      1. Riv
        Riv 23 October 2015 08: 55
        10
        Ternary system? Hmmm ... Well this is a stopudo army will do. "That's right! No way! I can't know!"
        1. vadson
          vadson 23 October 2015 13: 07
          +6
          Not a byte but a trait -1 0 1
        2. Throw
          Throw 23 October 2015 14: 27
          +1
          The Trinity System is a step towards a breakthrough! Then go fuzzy logic on quantum computers laughing
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      3. gjv
        gjv 23 October 2015 15: 54
        +6
        Quote: sa-ag
        there was such a project "Setun", software built on a ternary system

        Well, there was no software as such. There was a unicast system of 34 data I / O commands and register operations. And there were programmers at universities who "conjured" the programming of task packages for a small computer "Setun-70" on 7 available registers, of which 4 were for data operations (input, output, AU, adder), and 3 were service ( command register, command counter, forwarding register). Data entry - typewriter, photoelectric drum or punched tape. Teletype output.
        Quote: vadson
        Not a byte but a trait -1 0 1

        + per trait. However, a little bit wrong. Trait - the minimum directly addressed unit of the main memory "Setun-70". And the elementary coded notation is trit. A trait is 6 trits. Numbers and numbers were encoded in trits according to the ternary, ninefold or twenty-seven-dimensional system. Trit was represented in a two-bit ternary code (0,0), (0,1), (1,0). The fourth combination (1,1) was not used. Thus 1 trit = 9,51 bits. hi
        1. Throw
          Throw 23 October 2015 21: 06
          0
          +! Live and learn))

          The branch, as I understand it, was tied to a specific iron, and therefore deadlock?
    2. Genry
      Genry 23 October 2015 10: 52
      0
      Quote: 3vs
      SQL server must be domestic,
      the same linter

      This Linter, by chance, is not an ancient version of PostgreSQL? sad
      1. 3vs
        3vs 23 October 2015 18: 54
        0
        On the basis of PostgreSQL, a fake linter "Linter-VS" "maskvichi" from VNIINS is being molded.
        This has nothing to do with the real Linter of RELEX.
        In general, for such plagiarism they beat their faces, but Voronezh residents already spat on this matter,
        what to do when the "Muscovites" are sawing budget money and us ...
        that is not its own development but dopilennaya ...
        The site of children from Voronezh http://linter.ru/ru/
        Who cares, look and be surprised.
    3. Performance
      Performance 23 October 2015 11: 45
      +1
      We have everything, only here the rake is buried - if software or hardware for military use, then secret, if secret, it is known only to a narrow circle.

      If it is specialized and little-known, it means that it does not pay off itself and does not develop without infusion from above, since from above we have "effective civil management", which should not know military secrets, therefore we step on the rake and return to the beginning of the cycle!
  10. V.ic
    V.ic 23 October 2015 09: 08
    +5
    It is clear that the army without insanity that .ex without org .. ma, .. Author Roman Skomorokhov

    Are the words "..ex" and "org..m" present in the list of allowed by the Rules?
    It turns out that it is missing: "The message contains text that is invalid for publication." Hey, moderators ...
    1. i80186
      i80186 23 October 2015 09: 50
      +1
      Well, it’s kind of not a mate, not an insult to the feelings of believers, not an incitement of ethnic hatred, and this is in the correct Russian. Immediately not a kindergarten. smile
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 23 October 2015 10: 31
        +7
        Quote: i80186
        in correct Russian. Immediately not a kindergarten

        You try to insert these words "in correct Russian" into the commentary and look at the result. Just the author of an article from the category of moderators on this site that teach us correct speech and contempt for profanity.
        1. Throw
          Throw 23 October 2015 14: 41
          +5
          And this double site moderation standards In action.

          For example, I received one of the warnings for the word "popka". What "kindergarten" string and in what place of the subtle modern soul it cut is a mystery .. laughing

          And recently in the title articles of the week read the word "g-but"! ..
          belay

          This is how we live "tolerantly" .. request
    2. sniper
      sniper 24 October 2015 15: 47
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      Aw, moderators ...

      Well worth the site "autocensor" and what ??? Who knows what kind of cockroaches are in his electronic head? Hosting lowers the basic package of "unacceptable vocabulary", and so either turn on this krakozyabra, or do not turn it on ... On small resources, most often they do not include so that this brain does not float, but on large ones ... the "autocensor" will overdo it, than not enough ... Well, something like that ... wassat
  11. Fing
    Fing 23 October 2015 09: 09
    +5
    No, in fact, as I understood everything is quite real. The main question is: "How to act in accordance with the order, if there is a second order that excludes the first." Our army is still far from high technology at the office level. How to fasten new brains to a warhead is yes.
    And how to solve the problem:
    - You must work through the electronic document management forum.
    - You can't use computers and the Internet, HRT doesn't allow. That is, it is possible, but with the help of Voensvyaz, and it is like the notorious Slavyanka.

    But you need to work.
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 23 October 2015 09: 47
    +1
    The problem is super relevant. On the one hand, the eights and the FSB are atrocious that you cannot work this way, on the other hand, it is impossible to work correctly. The military system and the civilian absolutely do not meet, at the points of contact.
  13. Rostislav
    Rostislav 23 October 2015 11: 10
    +1
    "... Then there were three weeks of shock work"

    There are no daily backups in critical places, as I understand it?


    It is he who inserted a red word. Judging by the text, the guy is thinking, so he had to create rollback points. And to roll back the OS to previously saved settings - a couple of hours (this is if there are a lot of computers)
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 12: 04
      0
      Quote: Rostislav
      And to roll back the OS to previously saved settings - a couple of hours (this is if there are a lot of computers)

      So there, according to the author, everything that wasn’t from Microsoft was beaten, so the OS is intact, but with accounting everything is bad, if they re-performed everything there
  14. S-cream
    S-cream 23 October 2015 11: 11
    +4
    He served in 2001-2002. A computer boy in the UCP department. Space troops (at that time). Yes, there were no full-time computer engineers, but there were enough recruits. It was not so sad. Yes, there was no grid at headquarters, yes, there was no Internet either. It is impossible.
    But - there were computers, there were enough of them. All services where computers were needed were provided by computers.

    But - I fully understand and sympathize with the situation described in the article.

    And I hope that the insanity will be less. And, yes, Medvedev, he is still a "specialist".
  15. vyinemeynen
    vyinemeynen 23 October 2015 11: 22
    +1
    Thank. Good article, youth remembered!
  16. AlexSam
    AlexSam 23 October 2015 12: 55
    +5
    the guy described the situation in any average civil office (rural, city, it doesn’t matter) and the troubles of any system administrator in it, starting from knocking money out of a piece of iron and ending with wooden users, babysitting bukhs with rewriting the configuration in 1C for their mental development and mocking salary .. ... just don’t need me to scream about what kind of system administrator, such a salary, his boss has the priority to update Lexus, and not develop the infrastructure and motivate the person so that the desire to work does not die ... but the offices where the salary is from 50 and above, in any city you can count on the fingers, we will not for Moscow, it has nothing to do with Russia, except for collecting tribute ...
  17. tolancop
    tolancop 23 October 2015 13: 06
    +1
    I will not discuss the intelligence and patriotism of the "storyteller."
    He can be a genius and complete mediocrity. The result would be the same ... The problem of information security really exists, but it is often solved through 5 points. And separate directions are joined very poorly or not at all.
    There are requirements. The instructions are written in the mountains. But any in the slightest sense and who has worked even for a short time, a specialist without much difficulty will put any "checking" in a puddle with a simple example of the IMPOSSIBILITY of full compliance with the instructions. But the trouble is that the "inspector" will probably not listen to anything and will write down a bunch of your sins in a piece of paper, although the blame for their commission lies with the people who created "instructions that are not of this world." Alas, this is how it is, apparently it has always been so, and something tells me, and it will be exactly the same.

  18. Buran
    Buran 23 October 2015 14: 08
    +1
    I'm wildly sorry, but isn't Casper recommended for government agencies, not DockWeb ??? Yes, and for the network Admin Kit at Casper sharpened well.
  19. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 23 October 2015 14: 26
    0
    A strange article about a strange "mechanic-mechanic" in a bath = laundry complex and a strange military unit. Here comrade RIV has already written almost everything. In simple language, one can say - the cuff and the illiteracy of the "system administrator" who does not obey anyone and the superficiality of the author "who interviewed ".
  20. Clueless
    Clueless 23 October 2015 15: 12
    +1
    Complete nonsense. In the army, it happened so on an urgent basis, back in the distant 1998-00 computers were in charge, there was a separate office of Informpost + computers in the financial part.

    Even then, there was a position for the ensign, or rather the ensign (to whom I was put to help) - the head of the information post.

    It’s true that to me as an ordinary, more precisely, the corporal was regularly assigned to the security platoon ... with the post of senior projectionist :) It was not in vain that I studied at Schelkovo for 6 months.

    There was a computer, a printer, a security check came regularly. Type it is impossible to print a secret, its current on typewriters. Well, of course, I printed the secret on my computer, on a matrix printer, sometimes under a carbon copy, so that it looked like a typewriter. Of course, I circumvented the checks, using one well-known DOS utility from Norton, simply hiding folders so that it was impossible to find them — I’ll give a hint — this is due to the file structure :)

    In addition, when I quit, they had already begun to install protection from external scanning in Informpost (images from the monitor, etc.), in the brigade these rooms were already equipped with it.

    So either in 15 years everything has degraded like that, or this author somewhere is serving at the North Pole, where there are deer for the Internet place, and a computer for the computer place.

    p / s / Oh, what time it was, I had my own cell phone in the army then, and connected to the only telephone with the long-distance output (and not through the switch like the others), but it was connected illegally (and not the FIG cable it was stretching out with my office) that not the current soldiers used the connection, but also the officers. In short, everyone knew about this case, down to the Deputy Commanders (they also had to call) - but the commander did not know - the result .. six months later, a platoon of soldiers was sent to set up posts to account for debts for intercity :)))

    And as we opened the safe, and I quickly made a leave, stamped it, the artist from the company forged the painting of the commander of the unit ... when I quit, there was still a huge bundle of leave to leave :)) Yes, and I was on vacation 3 times :)

    There were times :)
  21. Fing
    Fing 23 October 2015 16: 10
    0
    You wrote here clever words - no doubt.

    Yes, only here, apparently, as always, we read only what we ourselves like. I myself am in a similar situation, I also work in our invincible MO.

    Backups: This is certainly good, but let's think, a full backup of the system drive - where to store it? The problem is apparently in the equipment. Backup of configs only slightly simplifies the situation.

    Education: This is nonsense, I am working quite successfully as a system administrator with the highest humanitarian.

    rOSa she is ROSA: I wonder how, for example, I should explain to the management the need to switch to the domestic axis? And do the staff train me too? Believe me, "babysitting" with the accounting department is already enough. + Specific software exclusively for Small Soft

    Antivirus: Yes, and Dr. Web and Kaspersky are both sharpened for the army, but the second only in the Firewall antivirus version is not provided.

    Submission / disobedience: Again, nonsense, if I work "on call" and only come when I need to do / fix / break something, who will control me if everything works and there are no questions?

    What is possible / what is not: Here is just the main question. Again, how to explain to the boss / commander the need to modernize the hardware, "if everything works anyway"? How do you think a peer-to-peer network should look like without the possibility of accessing the Internet (according to the requirements) and with work on electronic platforms simultaneously (according to the requirements)?

    Conclusion: it’s more convenient to croak from a swamp, poke a finger in your neighbors and talk about the great. But the problem is real. Even the trivial accountants / personnel officers and other office workers of the MO structures, do not need to provide working conditions for them? So let's put the scores to everyone on the table, 21 century. Only the requirements are modern, and the approach is medieval.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 19: 53
      0
      Quote: Fing
      Backups: this is certainly good, but let's think, a full backup of the system drive - where to store it? The problem is apparently in the equipment. Backup of configs only slightly simplifies the situation.

      For example, on a logical drive D, there is no network drive to send it to the shared drive of another computer, there is one full archive, then the differential ones, not so big, even a larger flash drive

      Quote: Fing
      Education: This is nonsense

      Education is never nonsense, knowledge is power
  22. pts-m
    pts-m 23 October 2015 16: 45
    0
    the employees of the anb probably have a head spinning around from replicas on the VO website. There is nothing to be done about it, having cut a window to Europe it should be used for its intended purpose, and not a century to sit in a den equipped with high-quality equipment.
  23. grandfather
    grandfather 23 October 2015 18: 23
    +1
    Article is pure nonsense! How can a normal system administrator allow someone from outside to be able to install third-party software? Or provide a password for the system? More like fiction than truth. Or a person on the spot does not control the situation.
  24. Des10
    Des10 23 October 2015 18: 48
    +1
    The problems of army use of computers even in the form of a comic discussion are the rubbish from which interested persons can get seeds. They do not need extra feed.
  25. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 23 October 2015 20: 18
    +4
    Good gentlemen, I read the entire thread from and to. I found a lot of interesting things from "domain controllers" to "immunity" in networks and OS.
    I will express my opinion, useless to anyone, on this article.
    Comrades, there is such an interesting pattern - "If something can happen, it will happen sooner or later." I have been dealing with data transmission networks for almost 10 years, have seen a lot and managed to participate in many projects. For the last couple of years I have been working in a first-line company in the Russian Federation. I get the EU, but more than 7500 thousand.
    So, if you use the Win system at work, be prepared that everything you do there will be stolen, simply because there is such an opportunity. If you do not have a closed and open circuit, and everything is on the heap, be prepared that the information will be lost, because there is such an opportunity.
    And so on.
    Described in the article is the work of a simple enikey of the level of a modern kid of 16-18 years old. Let me in there, and I can go there under the guise of a person who wants to get a job, or else like me, I’ll be here every day to publish all their correspondence, data from 1C, etc. What did you want for the 7500? Up to 50% of the cost of the information itself is spent on information protection. And military information has a fairly high price, do not you?

    And now, in the case.
    No PCs on any military facilities. Only terminal access.
    No copper. Only optics. Otherwise, it is possible to steal information and not be caught.
    No windows and other tsisoks.
    OS fork live ubuntu OSes with centralized management.
    No amateur "admins" for 7500 rubles.
    No internet! Only access to army data centers.
    At least three degrees of information security, depending on the importance of this information.
    Using open source to the maximum. No "unparalleled" developments such as, not by nightfall, ternary logic and other Mr. All these developments are waiting in the dustbin of history, which we see.
    And most importantly:
    MAXIMUM CENTRALIZATION AND CONTROL!

    No need to invent the fifth wheel, I understand that this process is very useful financially. And most prokhindey in Russia only sit on these endless developments. The same Gazprom is already a cut above and more experienced than our army in these matters.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 20: 43
      0
      Here it is
      Quote: Sergey_K
      No PCs on any military facilities.

      and here it is
      Quote: Sergey_K
      OS fork live ubuntu type OS

      contradict each other, for something this very OS fork of a live operating system should work

      Quote: Sergey_K
      Using open source to the maximum.

      It’s great until the software begins to live its own life, then a fun life begins, and as you can see from the author’s article, it can easily start after installing the prescribed software
    2. tolancop
      tolancop 23 October 2015 21: 01
      0
      I do not pretend to be a connoisseur in any way, but, unconditionally agreeing with the author of most of the positions, I still cannot agree on some.

      "No PCs on any military site. Only terminal access ..."
      If I understand correctly, it is proposed to have a certain central computer, with access through the terminals. Great .. Only in my deep conviction, if information is stored at one point (on a PC), then it is much easier to ensure its safety, since the transmission channels of information from the point of view of its leakage pose a potential danger. Of course, you can take measures to protect them, but all this will fly into huge rubles .. Another aspect: a stand-alone PC, when disconnected from communication channels, remains operational, possibly not in full, but it does. For terminals, the picture is fundamentally different - cutting a communication channel and the terminal will be useless.
      T.ch. not a PC trouble, but their misuse.
  26. xin-l
    xin-l 23 October 2015 20: 46
    -1
    Quote: Sergey_K

    I will express my opinion, useless to anyone, on this article.

    And now, in the case.
    No PCs on any military facilities. Only terminal access.
    No copper. Only optics. Otherwise, it is possible to steal information and not be caught.
    No windows and other tsisoks.
    OS fork live ubuntu OSes with centralized management.
    No amateur "admins" for 7500 rubles.
    No internet! Only access to army data centers.
    At least three degrees of information security, depending on the importance of this information.
    Using open source to the maximum. No "unparalleled" developments such as, not by nightfall, ternary logic and other Mr. All these developments are waiting in the dustbin of history, which we see.
    And most importantly:
    MAXIMUM CENTRALIZATION AND CONTROL!

    No need to invent the fifth wheel, I understand that this process is very useful financially. And most prokhindey in Russia only sit on these endless developments. The same Gazprom is already a cut above and more experienced than our army in these matters.

    A very necessary opinion. Thanks. For the correct and serious organization of the "workplace".
  27. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K 23 October 2015 20: 55
    -1
    Quote: sa-ag
    Here it is
    Quote: Sergey_K
    No PCs on any military facilities.

    and here it is
    Quote: Sergey_K
    OS fork live ubuntu type OS

    contradict each other, for something this very OS fork of a live operating system should work



    Quote: Sergey_K
    Using open source to the maximum.

    It’s great until the software begins to live its own life, then a fun life begins, and as you can see from the author’s article, it can easily start after installing the prescribed software

    Do not contradict. OS is a broad concept. Even the firmware in the microcontroller can be called the OS. For the OS is a program that launches other programs. Even the terminal client has an OS.

    Open source never begins to live "its own life" because it is built from source files. The source files are readable and amenable to analysis.
    But how will you analyze the compiled Windows binary, will you tell me?
    Regarding the prescribed software, when there is no IS strategy, there are no competent specialists, you can prescribe and prohibit anything.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 23 October 2015 21: 03
      0
      Quote: Sergey_K
      Open source never begins to live "its own life" because it is built from source files. The source files are readable and amenable to analysis.

      "Everything that can break will break, everything that should not break will break too" (C), why I indicated above, the human factor in one word

      Quote: Sergey_K
      But how will you analyze the compiled Windows binary, will you tell me?

      Gentoo way, right? :-) Usually they analyze the logs if something happens, although who will do this in part, by the way, "no cisok", then what to do routing?
      1. Sergey_K
        Sergey_K 23 October 2015 21: 09
        -1
        What kind of kindergarten? What are the logs? Or do you think that Windows writes in the logs what and where it sends?
        I’ll tell you a secret - Cisco is not a synonym for routing. This is just a good office. There are many of those. Even in the Russian Federation.

        I understand with binaries agree?
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 23 October 2015 21: 14
          0
          Quote: Sergey_K
          Or do you think that Windows writes in the logs what and where it sends?

          Well, usually statistics on the data on the gateway is written, from which address, to which one it took, deeper packet scanning requires more expensive equipment, which not all providers have, but about "no cisok" you won't tell me the secret, alas :-) it was just interesting that you would offer instead of imported network equipment

          "Do you agree with the binaries?"
          Well, there are people who are engaged in reverse engineering, so IDA, WinHEX, experience do amazing things, then articles about malware, vulnerabilities appear on the network and find exactly where you indicated
          1. Sergey_K
            Sergey_K 23 October 2015 21: 24
            -1
            Colleague, the information is already gone. Once it caught on a network analyzer you have a hole at the OS level. All. Kapets. An integrated approach is needed.
            Regarding the piece of iron - Angstrom-Telecom was testing, the iron in the C grade, but the trouble began.
            Infotex was - it is used a lot where and for a couple of years they have grown significantly.

            The Chinese are the same, but here I would put an equal sign between Ziska and Huawei. You cannot trust either.
        2. Wingpilot
          Wingpilot 24 October 2015 00: 01
          0
          It would be interesting to see several examples of "good offices" from the Russian Federation, making routing hardware and software of the Cisco level. As far as I understand, this is not a problem if there are "many" of them.
          1. IAlex
            IAlex 24 October 2015 02: 10
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            JSC Concern "Avtomatika" as an example ...
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  28. Egevich
    Egevich 23 October 2015 20: 58
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    read carefully, the conclusion - an article from the series "one grandmother said", ie lies, gundezh and provocation. The boy was taken after the deadline so that the cartridges were cowardly on time, and he began to draw conclusions in what he does not understand at all, and even publicly speak words for which the commander can at least warn about the NSS, if the prosecutor's office is not interested in the time sheet and other things sounded. And like the conclusions of a tough specialist that the BHRVT independently holds tenders and tenders, is generally nonsense. The base that received the orders, then transferred to the subordinates. A personal computer is also supposed to have regular ones, he made fun of a regular antivirus - there is one, but he is not able to do this, as described. In general, read on scandals, intrigues, investigations. The article, if I could, put -100500 ... Rather, there was no boy, and an article like a message to higher reading VOs, only very nothing.
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  30. realist
    realist 23 October 2015 21: 10
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    hold on guy! it will be hard for the first 20 years - then everything will stabilize and improve! One thing I don't understand is how you can put a soft system in the army - it's a bomb in your pocket. Do not the army and ministerial chiefs really understand that all this "licensed" software can be repaid from the USA - is it not better how to use China Linux?
  31. Wingpilot
    Wingpilot 23 October 2015 23: 55
    -1
    Quote: Max Otto
    the truth is, why did she stay on the office computer

    You will be surprised, but the monitor will not work without a video card. Generally. And therefore, if you don’t have an Ethernet port implanted in your skull, you won’t be able to work in another way even on an office computer. ;)
  32. IAlex
    IAlex 24 October 2015 01: 56
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    The FSB really misses the lieutenant colonel, the manager and this admin. Since the admin managed to secure the facility, buy junk goods, install an unprotected network, install a civilian software and at the same time with anarchy in places of job creation and access for people ... Moreover, pepper is not aware of the information protection departments in research institutes and municipalities, as well as about the first departments. In general, he was provided with several years, and where the FSB looks, does heroin push the local bandits at a better price?

    Although why be surprised, now put everything on everything ...

    And to all the local comrades: you can calm down, everything that the information protection departments need is all there, as well as measuring equipment and hardware / software.
    1. Olezhek
      Olezhek 24 October 2015 22: 07
      -1
      Such is life in Russia
      it is typical
  33. Egevich
    Egevich 24 October 2015 10: 46
    +1
    It was delivered to me - the HGT service and the commission for supervision over the preservation of state secrets ... but the magic words "Metis" and "Cornet" are present, that's it. I also liked the stable association with the command through the word "we" and "we", a patriot, yes ... the second time I usually don't write a comment, but here my mind is outraged by such graphomania ...
    Roman, you would at least have consulted with someone thread before such "sketches about the truth of the homespun" ...
    Although, there is another option - I was afraid to directly contact the organs of the little man, but here I type in the media outlined the facts of violations of the law and not simple, but magical, related to the regime ... hmm, mother bi and so ...
    comrade believe she will pass
    and democracy and publicity
    and then state security
    will recall these names
    1. TAXR
      TAXR 24 October 2015 12: 20
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      What "graphomancy", what "organs"? Moscow girls from the Moscow Region send their "instructions", and on the periphery in the units they get out as best they can, by hook or by crook. What kind of "secrecy" can there be if you are sent by open "soap" a new staffing table for your unit? Correct article, but "the fish rots from the head" and all inconsistencies with misunderstandings breed there.
      1. Egevich
        Egevich 25 October 2015 12: 09
        +1
        Quote: TAKR
        What "graphomancy", what "organs"? Moscow girls from the Moscow Region send their "instructions", and on the periphery in the units they get out as best they can, by hook or by crook. What kind of "secrecy" can there be if you are sent by open "soap" a new staffing table for your unit? Correct article, but "the fish rots from the head" and all inconsistencies with misunderstandings breed there.

        what are you talking about? versed in the subject or so, did not read, but also against?
        ... there are no staffing levels in military units, no, there is no word from the word, but before it only job positions were kept and it was not secret from the word at all, and everything else with which you confuse the staff list is on paper with vulture ...
        I wrote that the article is illiterate and incorrect, and as a topic for discussion - inappropriate in a decent society, but the analysis of the horse in a vacuum with keywords began - regime and anarchy ... not funny ... sad ... the essence of the article, then Does it make sense to distinguish how we read citizens?
        the breeze brought a smelly smell, and the experts happily whispered - yes, yes, it’s not for nothing ... why are you conspiring to carry on nonsense? every first is an enemy, and the second is a d.u.r.a.k. (s)
        well, although, yes, every cook, or rather, a half-time repairman, broadcasts to the whole world (do not forget the forum status), what are all the balloons and what are the wrong decrees and orders and how to organize work in the RF Armed Forces ... ..., b ...... (s) S. Lavrov
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 29 November 2015 18: 50
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        Quote: TAKR
        What "graphomancy", what "organs"? Moscow girls from the Moscow Region send their "instructions", and on the periphery in the units they get out as best they can, by hook or by crook. What kind of "secrecy" can there be if you are sent by open "soap" a new staffing table for your unit? Correct article, but "the fish rots from the head" and all inconsistencies with misunderstandings breed there.

        if you don’t know the topic of conversation, then shut up, maybe you’ll be a smart guy
  34. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 24 October 2015 11: 28
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    I work at the enterprise. In this mode, the automation of boiler room safety works throughout the city.
  35. nick_826
    nick_826 31 October 2015 20: 47
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    Dear author!

    As a person turning firsthand in this topic, I read and I do not leave the thought that it strongly smacks of a certain farce or comedy. Yes, everything is sad and sad enough. But if you describe any specifics, then it would be nice to thoroughly understand it (for you). I will not indicate specific shortcomings, but there are a lot of them.

    And so this article does not claim to be anything more than the works of Alex Exler (I respect him immensely). Although the image was created quite picturesque.

    I ask you to understand this comment correctly, I would not want to offend anyone !!!
  36. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 29 November 2015 18: 47
    +3
    article minus for blatant lies, and it begins with these words: "It so happened that I work as a system administrator in one military unit. The unit is not combat, but, on the contrary, technical. They are engaged in the repair and maintenance of equipment that comes from the entire Central Military District. In short, a medium-sized rembaza. "

    For 3 years, the Moscow Region has not allocated money for the repair of equipment by its specialists; for this, Voentelecom was created, which also deals with this issue.