It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong about Strelkov?

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It is difficult to count how many copies and feathers were broken in relation to the Kurginyan-Strelkov / Girkin collision. It is possible that in some moments the speakers criticizing Kurginyan were right about the essence of the Essence of Times movement, but the fact that the movement worked and does not harm Novorossia, but for its own benefit, does not cause any special doubts. For goods in LDNR still come.

But we are not talking about Kurginyan, oddly enough. It will be a question of the statement of Igor Korotchenko, who can only be accused of being unpatriotic if he does not know him. Or a sectarian who had created an idol in the form of a photo of a man in camouflage on the wall, in spite of his holy scripture.

So, Igor Korotchenko said in his characteristic manner that Igor Strelkov's interview about the Novorossia project was a betrayal of Russia.

“There should be one principle: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS. To desire the defeat of your army is a betrayal. The Ukrainian press with anti-Russian gloating and happily quotes Strelkova. So a man says and does something wrong! ”

Korochenko explains his indignation at the conclusions Strelkov made in an interview with one of the TV channels. True, "Roy TV" TV channel is difficult to call, but nonetheless. If someone wants to understand thoroughly what caused such a negative on the part of the respected Igor Yuryevich, he will be able to watch an hour and a half of the vangovaniye of Strelkov and El-Murid. Or Girkin and Nesmiyana. Who is more convenient.



Just a few quotes from Mr. Girkin recorded during the transfer.

"Russia in Syria, except for defeat, does not shine. Moscow has neither material nor human resources to get out of Syrian porridge without burns."

"In this war, it is generally impossible to win a final victory, and defeat will be very likely. In addition, after a while it will turn out that the invested resources" go nowhere ", both material and human. And thirdly, the moral effect of defeat "Rastiarennoy" war will affect the situation inside the country. "

"The Moscow bosses have" deliberately degraded "divisions of the armies of people's republics and brought them to an incapable state."

"The Syrian war has a direct bearing on Novorossia. After losing in Syria, Russia will lose Novorossia. After losing, Novorossia will lose Crimea. The loss of Crimea is the beginning of the collapse of Russia."

"We cannot win with the available forces and means in Syria, in the conditions of the confrontation between the United States and Ukraine. This threatens with the greatest military-political defeat."

Basically, enough. If someone wants more - please. Personally, I had enough. When discussing the issue of recruiting mercenaries in the Donbas, the references to Ekho Moskvy and Business FM were especially impressed. And the mention in the context of the speeches of the words "Russia", "Moscow", "Kremlin", "Moscow heads". Strange branch. It turns out that Girkin is a patriot, but as if detached from Moscow, Russia and others.

Actually, it is not surprising that Korotchenko was so indignant. The normal reaction of a normal patriot. I hope the readers will not deny this to Igor Yuryevich?

At least, ukroSMI Igor Korotchenko not quoted. But Igor Girkin - already. And the further, the more willing. Of course, in Ukraine, anyone will be quoted if he predicts the collapse of Russia. So today Girkin is really in trend. At least, the Internet resources began to pay attention to him. And even deputies Glad to quote and comment.

Good is not enough. In principle, the people have become accustomed to Girkin’s statements on the topic “everything is lost, and we will all die”. But while it concerned only Donbass, still fine. It seems like a person in the subject. Was at least. But Donbass, so many times already buried by Girkin, is still alive. Yes, the situation there is not delightful, but far from the predictions of Igor Vsevolodovich. And frank funeral klikuschestva really begin to strain.

To any thinking and sober-minded person it is clear that the conflict in Syria cannot be stopped in a month or two. A civil war on a religious platform is not a conflict between two organized crime groups sharing spheres of influence. This is a long time. But where does the Russian army?

Igor, who Korotchenko, really plows on the information front just on the side of the Russian army. Telling, showing, analyzing. And really is in this area a connoisseur and authority. Yes, and a patriot. For it is impossible, without being it, day after day to inform those who read, look and listen, that our army is becoming like in the song. Enduring and legendary. And his reproaches to the namesake, which Girkin, and relevant, and fair.

So maybe Kurginyan was not so wrong about Girkin-Strelkov in his time?
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  1. +18
    23 October 2015 06: 26
    Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...
    1. -41
      23 October 2015 06: 53
      And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?
      1. +20
        23 October 2015 07: 02
        The situation is stable. Or are there doubts? Drive look. You tell us. Or do you really want to be merged?
        1. +40
          23 October 2015 07: 14
          Quote: Jack-B
          The situation is stable.

          There is no stability there.
          1. +50
            23 October 2015 08: 00
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is no stability there.


            lack of stability is also stability .. don’t catch the wave of Sanya .. Hello ... Besides humanitarian aid, caravans from local wagons go in two by three cars .. what they shoot is already so fired, if refugees start skiing home, it’s not so bad. There is no doubt that Minsk will not do so in Kiev, and it is precisely on this that our emphasis is being made, for then the land near Kiev will go underfoot .. they don’t want to carry out federalization, half-life will come laughing
            1. +30
              23 October 2015 08: 27
              Quote: vorobey

              lack of stability is also stability.

              Hi Sanya! Now our 90s are there, I can’t call it stability. Chaos and chaos are redistributed. By and large, those who were in power are in power there. Surnames are the same as in 2013, with very few exceptions.
              Quote: vorobey
              There is no doubt that Kiev Minsk will not do so

              Washington Sanya Washington.
              1. +50
                23 October 2015 10: 37
                "In this war, it is generally impossible to win a final victory, and defeat will be very likely. In addition, after a while it will turn out that the invested resources" go nowhere ", both material and human. And thirdly, the moral effect of defeat "Rastiarennoy" war will affect the situation inside the country. "

                Syria is a control (political and economic) hub. His loss is a big advantage in the direction of the enemy (USA) with very bad consequences for the Russian Federation. P.E. it is necessary to fight for him in any case, regardless of victory or defeat. And the point here is not only the terrorists who will later come to the Caucasus.

                In addition, the Russian Army is the second most powerful army in the world. Why does it exist? Is it not in order to protect the interests of the country, not only domestically, but also abroad.

                And if you talk like that, then you wouldn’t have to fight with Hitler, but surrender right away (otherwise losses are all things ...).
                1. +22
                  23 October 2015 14: 01
                  I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot. A true patriot should always scream outright and do a pang in any situation. The phrases cited in the article do belong to Strelkov, but are taken out of the context of his reasoning. Yes, geopolitics is weak, the logic of reasoning is often lame, fears and fears are exaggerated. But who then accuses him of indifference to the fate of Russia, New Russia or the Crimea?
                  1. -17
                    23 October 2015 14: 11
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot.

                    but how, many people believe that patriotism is what power does
                    1. 0
                      24 October 2015 07: 45
                      atalef (9)
                      but how, many people believe that patriotism is what power does

                      The author answered you:
                      At least, ukroSMI Igor Korotchenko not quoted. But Igor Girkin - already. And the further, the more willing. Of course, in Ukraine, anyone will be quoted if he predicts the collapse of Russia. So today Girkin is really in trend. At least, the Internet resources began to pay attention to him. And even deputies Glad to quote and comment.

                      If the statements of a patriot are used as an argument in propaganda against Russia, then this is already a "disservice". What Girkin did for Novorossiya is his honor and praise, but even in retirement one must remain a patriot of Russia. All the more so if the actions of the authorities in foreign policy are supported by the overwhelming majority of Russia.
                      1. 0
                        24 October 2015 14: 37
                        Not in vain, it means that Girkin-Strelkov was squeezed out of LDNR ... So the bulo, for sho ....
                    2. 0
                      25 October 2015 23: 50
                      Quote: atalef
                      but how, many people believe that patriotism is what power does

                      Patriotism is what the "authorities" do for the good of the people. And you should not consider people in a foreign country more stupid than yourself, "all-understanding".
                  2. -1
                    23 October 2015 15: 34
                    Mahmut

                    If taken out of context, then any meaning can be given.

                    It’s always difficult to wang. Often there is not enough information to draw conclusions. The scales may lean in favor of information during the day. And within a week, all the vangs can look like a laughing stock.

                    The author in the course of the game began to burn males. Whoever beats his chest harder has the biggest male.
                    1. 0
                      24 October 2015 10: 12
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      It’s always difficult to wang.

                      Yes Yes. Fob and psakat much easier. But speaking and writing in Russian is generally tin, how difficult.
                  3. -5
                    23 October 2015 15: 59
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot. A true patriot should always scream outright and do a pang in any situation. The phrases cited in the article do belong to Strelkov, but are taken out of the context of his reasoning. Yes, geopolitics is weak, the logic of reasoning is often lame, fears and fears are exaggerated. But who then accuses him of indifference to the fate of Russia, New Russia or the Crimea?

                    he doesn’t give a damn about Novorossia, they set the wrong tasks for him ....
                    1. -3
                      23 October 2015 16: 29
                      Quote: YARS
                      he doesn’t give a damn about Novorossia, they set the wrong tasks for him ....

                      It is a pity that local pseudo-patriots do not understand this.
                  4. +8
                    23 October 2015 16: 25
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot.

                    Well, the fact is that this "patriot" used to say that if we leave Syria, we will lose everything. Now everything seems to be the opposite.

                    Girkin is not a sofa warrior, but a man whose words are quoted abroad and who served in the FSB. Such nonsense can only be said by a pacifist or a person of small mind. For me, everything is so clear, a person also needs to live on something like these words and a contradiction to himself.
                    1. +1
                      24 October 2015 19: 23
                      in general, it cannot be ruled out that he went to Slavyansk at someone's direction. And this pointer was definitely not from the Kremlin. I personally try not to hang up labels, but Strelkov’s statements have been hindering me for a long time. I don’t know what prompts him to say this, but I agree that this is not right. On the other hand, no matter how the Western press and Ukrainians did not react to his words, he has no direct influence whatsoever on the situation. In some cases, his words can generally be perceived as a game, but probably here I am very mistaken. Probably these are all character traits.
                      Personally, I would not dramatize the situation, although listening to this is unpleasant
                    2. -2
                      24 October 2015 20: 33
                      This is what happens when two in one. In Slavyansk, he is Russian Strelkov. And on shit-TV he ... Girkin. Well, that’s it.
                  5. +13
                    23 October 2015 19: 28
                    So, Igor Korotchenko said in his characteristic manner that Igor Strelkov's interview about the Novorossia project was a betrayal of Russia.
                    “There should be one principle: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS. To desire the defeat of your army is a betrayal. The Ukrainian press with anti-Russian gloating and happily quotes Strelkova. So a man says and does something wrong! ”
                    good
                    My opinion in this case coincides with the opinion of Korotchenko.
                    Why does Strelkov distrust me? After his dismissal from the FSB, Strelkov worked in the protection of the Orthodox oligarch Malofeev, who has a strange partner, an American Baptist billionaire. Whether it was Malofeev’s attempt to squeeze Donbass from Akhmetov will someday become clear. So far, I see clearly that they tried to drag Russia into a confrontation with NATO in Ukraine, where the role of consumables is intended for Ukrainians. and it happened, only instead of NATO mercenaries and other rabble.
                    Surprised by the former curator of Strelkov, the KGB major general, who has a major son of the US Armed Forces. Strange compote. Let's wait.
                    The war in Syria is not just a gang of scumbags. I support everything that has been said about this GDP. hi Wait and see who is right.
                  6. +2
                    23 October 2015 21: 18
                    You're right. I also do not understand why Girkin can not express his opinion. I do not respect his views of the White Guard, but he is a patriot of Russia and has the right to express his opinion. The trouble is that in today's Russia, patriots are those who shout louder cheers, sneaks, lackeys and slimes of all sorts. Moreover, in the words of Girkin there are smart thoughts.
                  7. 0
                    25 October 2015 23: 47
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot.

                    I don’t know your criteria for patriotism, but Girkin always “played for himself”. Patriotism is love for the Motherland and, accordingly, respect, or even extolling of the successes of his country, I have no doubt that Girkin loves Russia, but the principle is "good or bad, but this is my Motherland and I share its position and fate", no one canceled, for me at least. On this basis, Girkin's patriotism is somewhat dubious and more reminiscent of self-promotion. IMHO. With respect.
                2. +28
                  23 October 2015 14: 34
                  For Vladislav. The Russian army, in terms of budget and in numbers, can and does give the Americans first place, but it is by no means second! She was, is and will be - NUMBER ONE! The Americans in open combat clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!
                  1. -37
                    23 October 2015 14: 47
                    Quote: Varyag_1973
                    The Americans in open military clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!

                    Well, you hurried with it somehow.
                    the arod is beating, emanating from the saliva, proving that the Americans are constantly unleashing wars, and you say that you did not win a single one.
                    And so the question is, what kind of a win did the USSR or Russia. List. What would be something to compare with.
                    Only WWII, Napoleon and the Tataromongols do not drag.
                    Say with 1946.
                    Best regards
                    1. +34
                      23 October 2015 15: 20
                      And what kind of war has the USSR waged since 1946, except for the Afghan ?! So in the Afghan war, the Soviet army completed all the tasks! To conquer Afghanistan, no one has set such a task!

                      Sorry, but respect you somehow not with your hands!
                      1. -21
                        23 October 2015 15: 26
                        Quote: Varyag_1973
                        And what kind of war has the USSR waged since 1946, except for the Afghan ?! So in the Afghan war, the Soviet army completed all the tasks!

                        All ? ie, you want to say that with the withdrawal from Afghanistan there remained a USSR-friendly regime?
                        Quote: Varyag_1973
                        Sorry, but respect you somehow not with your hands!

                        Yes, I don’t ask
                        you would answer the question. Do you want to list in relation to the USA how much and what they won by leaving and leaving behind them vassal regimes.
                      2. +12
                        23 October 2015 16: 34
                        Quote: atalef
                        All ? ie, you want to say that with the withdrawal from Afghanistan there remained a USSR-friendly regime?

                        Is not it so? Just then we stopped supplying, but the United States did not. The regime fell and then the Taliban came.
                      3. -23
                        23 October 2015 15: 39
                        The USSR fought wars that it did not win. There were "advisers" in Angola. They did something in South Africa. They also abandoned everything and did not bring it to the end. In my opinion, Mandela was put on the throne. Well, you yourself know. There should be infa wikipedia. The plus or minus is correct.
                      4. +29
                        23 October 2015 16: 02
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        The USSR waged wars that it did not win.

                        The USSR did not wage war; he took part in conflicts. And the result of conflicts does not always depend on military advisers and instructors. But two wars (Vietnam and Korea), the United States lost specifically!
                      5. +3
                        23 October 2015 19: 26
                        Homo

                        I accept the comment. You are right, absolutely.
                    2. +8
                      23 October 2015 16: 02
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: Varyag_1973
                      The Americans in open military clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!

                      Well, you hurried with it somehow.
                      the arod is beating, emanating from the saliva, proving that the Americans are constantly unleashing wars, and you say that you did not win a single one.
                      And so the question is, what kind of a win did the USSR or Russia. List. What would be something to compare with.
                      Only WWII, Napoleon and the Tataromongols do not drag.
                      Say with 1946.
                      Best regards

                      "unleashing wars" and "winning wars" are different things !!!
                    3. +12
                      23 October 2015 16: 08
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, you hurried with it somehow.


                      Quote: atalef
                      Say with 1946.


                      Well, don’t turn on the fool Sanya ... the Korean War 50-53 where the USSR did not officially participate but the United States yes .. and they got bread from the Koreans and not from the USSR, although there were enough foxes ... The Vietnam War - there are veterans in Congress still can’t sit still, too, the USSR did not officially participate .. and also for some reason, the Americans wiped away in the end .. Cuba, Ethiopia. but we lost the cold war because we officially participated in it ... since then we have not officially participated anywhere ...
                      1. -6
                        23 October 2015 16: 36
                        Quote: vorobey
                        since then we haven’t officially participated anywhere ...

                        Even as we participate, Syria for example, well, and 08.08.08 do not forget.

                        And as for the Cold War. It was just that the Soviet Union was forced into an arms race, which he and his economy could not win. The union broke up, but invaluable experience was gained. As a result, today, the USA uses exactly the same tool, but today it does not work very well.
                      2. +22
                        23 October 2015 18: 56
                        Yes, the Union did not break up from the arms race! And from oil prices, too. The union was destroyed as a result of the direct betrayal of members of the top Communist Party and personally Mr. Gorbachev! And we all repeat the cliché of the liberals ... If the country had not been elementarily surrendered, the USSR would still exist, and there would be no present American mess in the world. But alas ... No army and no fortress can stand before the traitors.
                      3. +12
                        23 October 2015 19: 42
                        In the last interview A, Kryuchkov told Karaulov:
                        -Returning from America, Gorbachev asked the Americans to arrange a meeting with the President Yu. Korea Rodeu so that Kryuchkov and Dobrynin would not recognize. The meeting at the airport was fruitful: cards for 100 thousand dollars. I tell him. Mish, will you hand over the cards to the cashier? then, then ...
                        - I come to him with documents on the recruitment of Yakovlev and Kalugin in the late 50s during an internship at Columbia University. And he told me, and you show Yakovlev ...
                        In the documentary about the collapse of the USSR, there is a fragment of an interview with one of the oldest neocons. American: I have enough fingers to count who we bought and after 8 years the Soviet Union collapsed. He said so: we bought them! Don’t you remember? First created a commodity-money deficit, undermined the budget-forming industries. In the Komsomol and other newspapers they wrote how the young men in leather jackets drove trains with goods to sidings. further under threat or for money everything was quickly overloaded. At the destination, the composition came empty or was completely dissolved in air.
                        And the youth gangs? Kazan phenomenon "Tyaplyap" was it just us? Moreover, about what kind of hierarchy in the gangs was discussed among citizens along with the news of cinema and TV. So traitors destroyed the USSR, I hate it.
                      4. +9
                        23 October 2015 20: 56
                        I support all this is true. I myself saw cars with sausage and empty shelves. Aspen stake in them .. pu. It is necessary that the youth know them by the surnames of ALL of them. To be remembered as False Dmitry.
                      5. +7
                        23 October 2015 21: 30
                        Quote: Balu
                        American: I have enough fingers to count who we bought and after 8 years the Soviet Union collapsed.

                        "... for the processes that took place in the USSR, we spent 50 billion dollars ..." B. Clinton.
                        Quote: Balu
                        First created a commodity-money deficit, ...
                        whose ideologist was the future mayor of the capital - the pest economist G. Popov, his own technologies were the cause of the miners' strikes.
                        Quote: Balu
                        Don’t you remember? ...
                        Those who knew will not forget and will know that as long as these shots remain unpunished, it means that someone needs to see a bright future neither for us nor for our children. And someone did not know and does not want to know - after all, "the main thing was to destroy the communist system." The last statement has a bunch of authors, ending with Gorbachev.
                      6. +2
                        24 October 2015 14: 52
                        I remember the summer of 1990 right now! The cigarettes disappeared in one night, as if by wave of the hand! We were in the evening, in the morning it’s gone !!!! Evaporated ... And so on all goods ... The situation with a "deficit" was clearly artificial ...
                      7. 0
                        24 October 2015 20: 44
                        Yes, I remember the summer of the 90th in training near St. Petersburg. So we smoked last year's "gobies" - self-rolling smelly for the whole department. And the bataler-khokhol (he had "prima" and "Berik", so he did not give us, but kept repeating: "I can’t, tilki to the sebe and to the commander." Now, according to rumors, there were enough traitors in Bandera. always.
                      8. 0
                        25 October 2015 21: 34
                        Our tobacco factory was jammed to the eyeballs with cigarettes, and in stores, the ball drove. They smoked some Cuban cigarettes and shag, yes shag! the factory was closed. Shevarnadze was then premiered. Here they say, the equipment is outdated, it is necessary to buy for currency and cigarettes urgently. Then the Finnish marlboro appeared on the free market, then disappeared. and the equipment that, thanks to Shevarnadze, was purchased, is it possible that a counterfeit marlboro, etc.
                      9. -6
                        23 October 2015 16: 46
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Well, don’t turn on the fool Sanya ... the Korean War 50-53 where the USSR did not officially participate but the United States yes .. and they got bread from the Koreans and not from the USSR, although there were enough lysicins there.

                        Here, let's not drag in Korea, a million Chinese people have died there and the fate of the foxes.
                        I’m talking about specific wars, when the Americans introduced their troops in the open, and not the participation of someone, somewhere,
                        1950-1953 - war in Korea. About 350 thousand people, 1000 tanks, over 300 ships participated in the hostilities. The predominant part of the military contingent and military equipment provided the United States.

                        April 1961 - an attempt of the American invasion of Cuba in the Playa Giron region in order to overthrow the government led by Fidel Castro.

                        1965-1973 - the war in Vietnam. The largest use of US forces after World War II.

                        1964-1973 - US armed operation in the fight against the Pathet Lao front in Laos. Over 50 thousand people participated.

                        October 25, 1983 - June 1985 - US military operation "Sudden Fury" in Grenada to overthrow the left-wing government of the island nation.

                        April 1986 - after the introduction of economic sanctions, the United States launched military actions against Libya. Residential areas of the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi were bombed.

                        December 1989 - US military operation "Just Cause" in Panama in order to remove from power the country's leader Manuel Noriega, accused of drug trafficking and the promotion of terrorism.

                        January 17 - February 28, 1991 - a military operation by the United States and its allies to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, code-named "Desert Storm."

                        1991-1995, 1998-1999 - Interethnic war in Yugoslavia and NATO aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

                        17 January 1993 - The United States launched a missile strike at an object located about 20 km from the center of Baghdad, where, according to Washington, work was underway to create nuclear weapons.

                        26 June 1993 - The United States launched a missile attack on the main Iraqi intelligence command and control complex in Baghdad in response to Baghdad’s allegedly alleged plans to assassinate US President George W. Bush.

                        3 September 1996 - The United States launched a cruise missile attack on Iraq after Iraqi forces conducted an operation against the Kurds in the Erbil area of ​​northern Iraq.

                        August 20, 1998 - a blow to the "terrorist targets" of Afghanistan and Sudan in response to terrorist acts against the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

                        March 24, 1999 Serbia - Operation "Allied Force". This historical review is especially interesting in terms of how the United States and Co. behaved in a situation where one independent country tried to pacify one self-proclaimed republic.

                        7 October 2001 Afghanistan. The United States is conducting an operation in Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, allegedly launched in response to the September 11 terrorist act of 2001.

                        20 March 2003 Iraq war - a military conflict that began with the invasion of US forces and their allies in Iraq, with the aim of overthrowing the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was codenamed Iraqi Freedom

                        August 2008 of the year. Armed conflict in South Ossetia. A failed US attempt to start a war with Russia using Georgia.

                        19 March 2011 year. The war in Libya. Under a far-fetched and deceitful pretext, they created an excuse for invading Libya.
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                      10. +4
                        23 October 2015 16: 55
                        Quote: atalef
                        Let’s not drag in Korea, a million Chinese people have died there and the fate of the Licensines. I’m talking about specific wars, when the Americans introduced their troops, in the open, and not the participation of someone, somewhere

                        Quote: atalef
                        , proving that the Americans constantly wage war, and you say that you didn’t win a single one. And so the question is, what kind of USSR or Russia did you win? list. What would be nothing to compare with. Just don’t drag in WWII, Napoleon and Tatars, let's say since 1946 .Yours faithfully


                        Sanya, why this list ... Bring the list of the USSR in what wars participated .. 200000 military Buryats in Ukraine does not count.
                      11. -15
                        23 October 2015 16: 59
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Sanya, why this list ... Bring the list of the USSR in what wars participated .. 200000 military Buryats in Ukraine does not count.

                        Yes, you yourself know them
                        Wars in the middle east
                        Afgan
                        Abkhazia - war laughing
                        --- Well, everything seems to be. request
                        Which of them can be called successful?
                      12. +12
                        23 October 2015 17: 24
                        Quote: atalef
                        Wars in the middle east


                        where in the Middle East we officially fought and with whom ... well, at least you are not a star pain ..

                        why do you dislike Abkhazia ...

                        And the Afghan ... the Americans against us deployed a whole car there and the instructors and the supply of weapons .... and so ... and for ten years we have 3500 losses given that we do not bother them ..
                      13. -12
                        23 October 2015 17: 32
                        Quote: vorobey
                        de in the Middle East, we officially and with whom fought ... well, at least you are not a star pain

                        Look, well, in general, both advisers and air defense units fought on the side of Egypt and Syria.
                        Just understand if this is removed, so it turns out. What except Afghanistan has not fought anywhere, but what about the invincible and legendary? It seems like it turns out that after 1946 they didn’t seem to be at war.
                      14. +5
                        23 October 2015 17: 46
                        Quote: atalef
                        so it turns out. that besides Afghanistan, she never fought, but what about the invincible and legendary? It seems like it turns out that after 1946 they didn’t seem to be at war.


                        but why then the mere mention of such horror and boiling leads ... Sanya ..
                      15. -8
                        23 October 2015 18: 28
                        Quote: vorobey
                        but why then the mere mention of such horror and boiling leads ... Sanya ..

                        Unpredictability, Alexander, unpredictability.
                        Including for themselves.
                        Well, no one ever thinks about the result.
                        Everyone seems to have a strategy, but here - they wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
                        This is scary.
                      16. +2
                        24 October 2015 06: 45
                        Quote: atalef
                        Which of them can be called successful?

                        08.08.08
                        Pristina, not really a war, but everything’s nailed down ...
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                    5. +3
                      23 October 2015 17: 04
                      ! 948 - the creation of the GDR, 1956 - Vegria, 1968-Czechoslovakia and Father Damansky.
                    6. +1
                      23 October 2015 19: 24
                      "Arod is beating here, spitting on saliva, proving that the Americans are constantly unleashing wars, and you say that you have not won a single one."

                      Unleashing does not mean winning. None of them have won pin.dos, Israeli.
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                  2. +6
                    23 October 2015 15: 08
                    Quote: Varyag_1973
                    For Vladislav. The Russian army, in terms of budget and in numbers, can and does give the Americans first place, but it is by no means second! She was, is and will be - NUMBER ONE! The Americans in open combat clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!

                    Yes, no, well, I think that you are mistaken.
                    The American army is, firstly, a global army (military bases everywhere), and fighting with the most modern weapons. Its capabilities are hard to overestimate.

                    Another thing is that, yes, the USA, in recent history, has never encountered an adversary of the level of Russia. And to predict the probability of the outcome of such a collision is actually difficult.

                    At one time, the USSR was a US level power. Then it fell apart, as a result, Russia lost its former level. But having collected the fragments and capabilities of the Soviet system, she was able to the end without losing everything to create something new. Here it is, allowing her to take, firmly, the second place.

                    And the USA as it was and remained, they did not suffer such a failure.
                    1. +6
                      23 October 2015 15: 28
                      To Vladislav. Even if the mattresses were fighting with blasters, this would absolutely not have changed anything! In war there are many necessary things for victory, but perhaps the most important thing is the fighting spirit and motivation of the soldier! The Vietnamese were oh how far to the Americans in terms of military equipment and what ?! How did this help the Yankees ?! They burned hundreds of hectares of jungle with napalm, erased dozens of villages and cities from the face of the Earth, and so what ?!

                      So the mattress covers will never be number one, I’m telling you for sure!
                      1. +1
                        23 October 2015 16: 25
                        Quote: Varyag_1973
                        So the mattress covers will never be number one, I’m telling you for sure!

                        Yes, I understand all these features.
                        But then we compare potentials with you, and even there, fortitude, ingenuity, skills, abilities or just luck - this is only the action itself can show.
                      2. 0
                        23 October 2015 19: 00
                        They can't really land on a normal shore, but you say: ARMY! It is well known how their battalion "fought" in Yugoslavia ... Ugh! Even remembering is funny.
                3. -1
                  23 October 2015 22: 09
                  It's okay ... And what, Fedenka, there is no war now? - But how is it not, the breadwinner, the Swedes directly seize, the Crimean Khan is disgraceful on the Izyum Way ... that's how you send our army to Syria with a stroke of your pen ... isn't it too much to take on ... yes it exists .. .but not in order to participate in dubious and civil wars ... in Syria, a war of all against all (study carefully who and with whom and for what is fighting there first) ... our presence is a victory or preservation of Syria in its present form anyway will not provide ... so get ready yourself and hurry to Syria to fight for "political and economic" interests ...
              2. +12
                23 October 2015 15: 17
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Hi Sanya! Now our 90s are there, I can’t call it stability. Chaos and chaos are redistributed. By and large, those who were in power are in power there. Surnames are the same as in 2013, with very few exceptions.

                Hi Sashok. The answer is not quite for you, but on the topic ...
                I just can’t call Girkin-Strelkov a traitor. He really defended the interests of the fatherland with weapons in his hands (even if it sounds pathetic).
                And who is Kurginyan? The possessed, drooling troll from the TV.
                And the above quotes are just the skepticism of a person who is disappointed in the system. You can splurge as much as you like with "fittings", Skolkovo "inventions", Far Eastern cosmodromes ...
                There will be a desire and an opportunity, welcome to my provincial city, where I will show the reality and the ruined engineering plant, which by the way oversees UVZ.
              3. +1
                23 October 2015 17: 58
                Now there are our 90s, I can’t call it stability.
                And in Russia now what years have begun, let me ask? Isn’t it like 90s? I mean the economy, salaries and mood of people? They don’t shoot at us, including in administrative buildings? And who is in power in the localities? Not sitting for 20-30 years? Look at the districts of the Moscow Region, where the leaders of the same age as the late Brezhnev, are sitting in armchairs from the Gorbachev era.
              4. -1
                23 October 2015 18: 27
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Now there are our 90e

                It depends on what you compare it to. If with the Russian Federation then of course, but if with the fact that it was there a year ago?
              5. Don
                0
                25 October 2015 12: 43
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Now our 90s are there, I can’t call it stability. Chaos and chaos are redistributed. By and large, those who were in power are in power there. Surnames are the same as in 2013, with very few exceptions.

                And where are you, Alexander? In Donesk? Or Lugansk? That the 90s and the same surnames are so well visible to you. Here I am and I don’t see something of the 90s. But I remember them well and know what to compare. Maybe list the names. Is it Lukyanchenko, Shishatsky in power now? I am most struck by people sitting for hundreds of miles and speaking with 100% certainty.
            2. -1
              23 October 2015 15: 27
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There is no stability there.


              lack of stability is also stability .. do not catch the wave Sanya ..

              all right Sanya Romanov says!
            3. +2
              23 October 2015 18: 05
              I personally saw the humanitarian aid in the Donbass. 30 trucks with textbooks.
          2. -1
            23 October 2015 12: 08
            And in the near future is not expected.
        2. -1
          23 October 2015 13: 34
          Quote: Jack-B
          The situation is stable. Or are there doubts? Drive look. You tell us. Or do you really want to be merged?

          Why not. It is stably unstable there.
      2. +28
        23 October 2015 07: 36
        It's like someone. They practically don't shoot there. They continue to drag humanitarian aid in a thousand tons in a caravan. They are preparing for winter. The militia conducts exercises, repairs weapons and equipment. Everything else ... The information is very muddy. And to understand the whirlpools of the Donbass policy is no easier than in the same policy of Dill. It is hard to imagine that dill will be able to fulfill the Minsk agreements and federalize the country. And without this - a poor country plundered by the junta on the sidelines - it will lose interest in it and the mattress, which has drawn it into a "whore", and has not yet understood why Europe needs such a "carrot".
        1. +8
          23 October 2015 10: 23
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          The information is very muddy. And to understand the whirlpools of the Donbass policy is not easier than in the same policy of Dill.

          ----------------------
          So I also thought so ... And there, and there is a struggle of some kind of clans, consolidation of leadership on the ground, all this is not static, in the process ... Both the Lao PDR and Dill are now under tight external control and are trying so far with unnecessary gestures not to commit, because it already goes to the foreign policy costs of the curators ... But the curators already have higher stakes, now we are demonstrating with cruise missiles ... We have not muddied this conflict, we are not authors, we are not participants ... I watched this record with Strelkov on Youtube. What for he began to reason there? Enter all the troops in the Donbass or what? And what will it give? Nothing at all, Ukraine is not our enemy, and Bandera will devour itself by its stupidity ... Or will the whole Black Sea Fleet and the Marine Corps be brought into Syria? What for? Repeat the rake of the Americans?
          1. -3
            23 October 2015 15: 46
            Altona

            Six months ago, everyone was yelling about the introduction of troops. You are there on YouTube for dates. Maybe the video is outdated.
        2. 0
          23 October 2015 15: 44
          Mountain Shooter

          A goblin on YouTube has an interview with a militia a week ago. He directly says what and how. The person is knowledgeable.

          Nothing good, but there is hope for the best. What is normal.
          1. 0
            23 October 2015 16: 49
            Quote: gladcu2
            A goblin on YouTube has an interview with a militia a week ago. He directly says what and how. The person is knowledgeable.

            Nothing good, but there is hope for the best. What is normal.

            Listen, there are dozens of views of militias where they say that they are building an army and they need to end the old order. So there is no need to say here that this militia is the truth. There are some semi-doos who still seriously say that all the militia wants to return Girkin.
            1. 0
              23 October 2015 19: 28
              RUSICH

              No one knows the truth. A subjective point of view is expressed there.
      3. +7
        23 October 2015 08: 19
        Quote: beitar
        And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

        Merged, merged ... And Syria merged ... laughing
        Where do you get these from? fool
        1. +9
          23 October 2015 08: 28
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Merged, merged ... And Syria merged.

          We will soon merge Syria as soon as 5 years. Do not bother them to merge laughing
          1. +3
            23 October 2015 08: 37
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Merged, merged ... And Syria merged.

            We will soon merge Syria as soon as 5 years. Do not bother them to merge laughing

            No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.
            1. +10
              23 October 2015 08: 55
              Quote: atalef
              No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

              In what century I agree with Atalef.
              1. +4
                23 October 2015 09: 21
                Quote: atalef

                No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

                It turns out that the respected atalef was not banned, as I expected, but only brought me into the "emergency" ... I would like to know the reasons. Did I give a reason?

                And in general, during the last communication, he himself "begged laughing "on" emergency ", to which he received the answer:
                Good I'm 17 October 2015 14: 57 | The Bulgarians again refused to provide an air corridor to the Russian transport

                Quote: atalef
                no, these are completely different concepts. I just don’t understand. why do you need to save Syria. but Novorossia seems to be done away with


                You do not "skip" from the topic, in your worst national traditions ...

                Wrote "work Novorossiya", and keep the answer for the written ...

                If they didn’t want to write, they made a mistake, they expressed the wrong idea, CORRECT, clarify the position ...

                Quote: atalef
                bring me to Chs - and you will be happy


                Masochist?

                This is for you, there will be happiness that I will not provide tongue


                To which I received the answer: "Well then bear with it ..."

                READY TO BE patient ...

                But something, apparently, "broke" in the atalef itself, and he hid behind the "emergency" screen ...


                Can any of those present in the topic take the trouble to copy this comment and present it in the form of a quote in order to get any explanations from him?
              2. +2
                23 October 2015 16: 51
                Quote: ImperialKolorad
                In what century I agree with Atalef.

                You also need to look at the map where the Alawites live and where the ATS fights.
            2. +15
              23 October 2015 09: 16
              We in Russia perfectly understand that in Israel you need the division of Syria into enclaves. Hope.
              1. -33
                23 October 2015 09: 28
                Quote: Angro Magno
                We in Russia perfectly understand that in Israel you need the division of Syria into enclaves. Hope.

                Yes, divided Syria is something that is not bad for us, but we don’t need to hope - it’s a fact
                1. +20
                  23 October 2015 11: 10
                  Lord Jews, why are you trying to forget about how you generally got the land that you call your home is Israel ????
                  And that there every day you can hear the echoes of this, so to speak, "freebies" that you got.
                  You put things in order in your relatively new home, and then you will share your experience!
                  And teach someone how and what to do!
                  1. +2
                    23 October 2015 17: 52
                    who gives them the same money, the most for them))))) they well know that without America they will take away this desert. and many of their compatriots stink like that, go to the shower once a week)))))))))))))
                2. 0
                  23 October 2015 14: 58
                  I propose to start celebrating.
                3. 0
                  23 October 2015 16: 34
                  atalef

                  In this phrase, atalef is not disingenuous. Israel does not hide the fact that the Golan Heights is a strategic position in the interests of the country.

                  Deprived of Syria and return is possible only with the destruction of Israel.

                  Cons put him in vain.
                4. +2
                  23 October 2015 22: 33
                  See how Israel is not divided
              2. +3
                23 October 2015 15: 10
                you in Israel need the division of Syria into enclaves.
                -we need the Golan Heights. There is water, and in Israel its cat wept and that only in one reservoir-lake Kineret.
                Here in real time the water level in Lake Kineret is shown:
                http://pogoda.israelinfo.co.il/kineret

                Fresh Lake Kineret is the main reservoir of drinking water in the country, and the level of water in it affects a lot, including the price of a cubic meter of water for households. It should be between the red and green lines. On the site where I gave the link you can see these features.
                1. -9
                  23 October 2015 15: 17
                  Quote: mirag2
                  they need the Golan Heights

                  well, they are already ours
                  Quote: mirag2
                  There is water, and in Israel her cat cried and then only in one reservoir, Lake Kinere

                  Fairy tales . Kineret today does not play a role in providing water. Today, Israel in general may refuse to use water from Kinneret
                  Quote: mirag2
                  Fresh Lake Kineret is the main reservoir of drinking water in the country, and the level of water in it affects a lot, including the price of a cubic meter of water for households

                  Not long ago.
                  1. -2
                    23 October 2015 16: 32
                    Quote: atalef
                    Fairy tales . Kineret today does not play a role in providing water. Today, Israel in general may refuse to use water from Kinneret

                    Absolutely correctly, several desalination plants were built in Ashdod and Ashkelon, unfortunately this desalination is not cheap, but there is nothing to be done.
                    Quote: mirag2
                    -we need the Golan Heights. There is water, and in Israel its cat wept

                    Golan Heights is more strategic altitude than the current water source wink
                2. +2
                  23 October 2015 15: 34
                  Quote: mirag2
                  they need the Golan Heights

                  Personally, I think they need not only these heights, but a much larger territory (so far) of Syria, as well as gangs of terrorists under their command in the rest of the territory with the help of which they would spread the chaos first completely to Iraq and then to Iran.
            3. +5
              23 October 2015 09: 17
              Quote: atalef
              No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

              And not only the Alawites: this is exactly the same with the Kurds and Christians. All that remains is the Druze and Sunnis - Sunnis and make up most of the radicals, and the Druze always adapt to all.
              1. -14
                23 October 2015 09: 31
                Quote: andj61
                And not only Alawites: to Kurds and Christians this is exactly the same

                It’s easier with Christians - they almost all left, the Kurds are 40 million (in total) and they not only have their own territory, the people are on some side of the conflict and do not have the status of the previous government
                The Alawites are completely different, the Alaites are Assad, this is a bugbear, this is the reason for the conflict and its main component, I would not bother everyone together
                Quote: andj61
                only Druze and Sunnis — Sunnis — constitute the majority of the radicals, and Druze always adapt to all.

                Friends have nothing to worry about. there is someone to stand up for them
                1. +3
                  23 October 2015 11: 23
                  Turkish Alawites, comprising from 10 to 12 million [4], apparently, are an independent phenomenon, very different from the Levantine.
                  ...
                  Alavism arose in the XNUMXth century.
                  ...
                  Ibn Taymiyyi believes that the Alawites split away from Shiism and moved away from the dominant Islamic trends in their views and religious practice, that in many ways they lost the right to be considered part of Islam in general, turning into a special religion - a mixture of Islam, Christianity and Islamic Islamic beliefs (" jahiliya ").

                  As we see, Alavism is not a new phenomenon; it has existed for more than 1000 years.
                  It is criticized by the Sunnis. We can only notice
                  what -
                  Wahhabism (from the Arabic. الوهابية - al-Wahhabiya) - the religious and political movement in Islam, which formed in XVIII century. The movement is named for [Comm. 1] Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi (1703-1792), who is a follower of Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328).

                  It is interesting to know which areas of the above are tolerant of the creation of the state of Israel?
                  1. +1
                    23 October 2015 13: 04
                    Quote: Turkir
                    It is interesting to know which areas of the above are tolerant of the creation of the state of Israel?

                    None! bully
                    Really - only Druze. But there are many of them - and they themselves - in general, for a separate religion they consider, inherent only to this people.
                  2. +1
                    23 October 2015 17: 08
                    Quote: Turkir
                    It is criticized by the Sunnis. We can only notice
                    what -
                    Wahhabism (from the Arabic. الوهابية - al-Wahhabiya) is a religious and political movement in Islam, which was formed in the XVIII century. The movement is named for [Comm. 1] Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi (1703-1792), who is a follower of Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328).

                    A small reference. The Shawites themselves often criticize the Alavites. The Alawites, especially the most fanatical wing, claim that Allah mistakenly gave the prophecy to Muhammad, who was destined for Ali. Not one Shiite will not say that.
              2. 0
                23 October 2015 14: 07
                Quote: andj61
                and the Druze always adapt to all.

                I would say to friends, too, everyone adapts. It's not for nothing that they are called fearless, no one wants to mess with them. wink
            4. +2
              23 October 2015 16: 50
              Quote: atalef
              No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

              That is, the Alawites live in Damascus, Aleppo, Holmes, Hama? Mdya ... go learn the map of the nationalities of Syria.
          2. 0
            24 October 2015 15: 03
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We will soon merge Syria as soon as 5 years. Do not bother them to merge laughing

            Long live Russia!!! The creamiest country in the world !!! laughing
        2. +3
          23 October 2015 09: 14
          Syria was leaked back in 13. This was written by all the unworthy media. They won’t lie, right?
        3. +2
          23 October 2015 17: 33
          want to know where they get it from ??? Yes, they are offended people, sitting in their wilderness and barking.))) and they know that without Uncle Sema they would not exist at all.
      4. 0
        23 October 2015 08: 38
        It was frozen until the restoration of Donbass at the expense of Ukrainians, and then a referendum and farewell Hohland)))
        1. +7
          23 October 2015 09: 02
          Quote: KSergey
          It was frozen until the restoration of Donbass at the expense of Ukrainians, and then a referendum and farewell Hohland)))

          And who told you that Ukraine will restore the Donbass?
        2. +2
          23 October 2015 10: 28
          Quote: KSergey
          It was frozen until the restoration of Donbass at the expense of Ukrainians, and then a referendum and farewell Hohland)))

          ----------------------
          Where goodbye? Nifiga ... Hohland will be a divided country, because normal people with crazy nationalists will not be able to live long ... Dnepropetrovsk has already thought about economic autonomy ... This is the beginning of the end of Kiev ...
      5. +3
        23 October 2015 08: 53
        Quote: beitar
        And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

        If you believe the hawks from Russia and Ukraine, then respectively Putin and Poroshenko merged Donbass. But in essence, what’s happening, don’t understand what.
      6. +2
        23 October 2015 09: 11
        You can dream about it. Not forbidden.
      7. +3
        23 October 2015 09: 32
        Quote: beitar
        And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

        And there that, already the power of the Kiev junta? laughing
      8. -1
        23 October 2015 16: 45
        beitar
        And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?


        it’s all like with (Schrodinger’s cat) the situation with two unknowns is all in limbo and everything, as always, is not a war of peace. Tolley merged Tolley not merged! nobody knows for sure. it seems that everyone starts to think because he likes it better, regardless of what actually happens there
        Personally, I think if the border will be transferred to Ukram, it means that it was leaked!
        people fought and died for the Russian world, and the war ultimately comes to where it started, judging from this point of view, it’s a drain
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAwzGpmIe5A
      9. +1
        23 October 2015 19: 38
        As a matter of fact, everything is shown in news programs. And about some kind of drain, what kind of nonsense. We do not live with a hunchback or a drunkard.
      10. 0
        25 October 2015 23: 27
        Quote: beitar
        And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

        Take a trip to New Russia, then tell us. laughing Sincerely.
    2. +22
      23 October 2015 07: 52
      Quote: Igor39
      Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...


      Did you see the liberal in the trench belay ?
      1. +1
        23 October 2015 08: 25
        How is this to be understood? Russia in Syria, except for defeat, does not shine. Moscow has neither the material nor the human resources to get out of the Syrian porridge without burns. "

        "In this war, it is generally impossible to win a final victory, and defeat will be very likely. In addition, after a while it will turn out that the invested resources" go nowhere ", both material and human. And thirdly, the moral effect of defeat "Rastiarennoy" war will affect the situation inside the country. "

        "The Moscow bosses have" deliberately degraded "divisions of the armies of people's republics and brought them to an incapable state."

        "The Syrian war has a direct bearing on Novorossia. After losing in Syria, Russia will lose Novorossia. After losing, Novorossia will lose Crimea. The loss of Crimea is the beginning of the collapse of Russia."

        "We cannot win with the available forces and means in Syria, in the conditions of the confrontation between the United States and Ukraine. This threatens with the greatest military-political defeat."
        1. -2
          23 October 2015 08: 32
          Quote: Igor39
          And how is this to be understood? Russia in Syria, except defeat, nothing shines

          Defeat or victory may be determined by the achievement of strategic goals or not.
          -Kakova (in your opinion) - Russia's strategic goal in Syria?
          Quote: Igor39
          In this war it is generally impossible to win a final victory

          What do you think? And what do you think the final victory in Syria looks like?
          Quote: Igor39
          The Syrian war is also directly related to Novorossia. Having lost in Syria, Russia will lose to Novorossiya. Having lost to Novorossiya, they will lose Crimea. The loss of Crimea is the beginning of the disintegration of Russia. "

          Well, Russia will not lose Crimea, but Novorossia is already merging and this is a fact and how correctly Says Girkin that it is not present in the News - it does not exist - will you argue with this?
          Quote: Igor39
          "We cannot win with the available forces and means in Syria, in the conditions of the confrontation between the United States and Ukraine. This threatens with the greatest military-political defeat."

          Which part do you disagree with?
          1. +7
            23 October 2015 08: 58
            Quote: atalef
            but Novorossia is already merging and this is a fact and how correctly Girkin Says that it is not present in the News - does not exist - will you argue with that?


            you already vanged that they will take Merkava as the basis of Almaty ... I hit a shovel yesterday with a shovel laughing
            1. -5
              23 October 2015 09: 04
              Quote: vorobey
              you already vanged that they will take Merkava as the basis of Almaty ... I hit a shovel yesterday with a shovel

              Well then, they talked about the concept and the chief specialist was Mehannik. Asserting that the engine was in front, the tower in the back - there were few other options. But the difference is that we discussed the theory, having no facts at all - here in general the situation is completely different.
              1. +2
                23 October 2015 11: 13
                Quote: atalef
                But the difference is that we discussed the theory, having no facts at all - here in general the situation is completely different.

                Yes, in general, it’s absolutely the same: some speculation and speculation ...
          2. +5
            23 October 2015 08: 58
            Quote: atalef
            but Novorossia is already merging and this is a fact and how correctly Girkin Says that it is not present in the News - does not exist - will you argue with that?


            you already vanged that they will take Merkava as the basis of Almaty ... I hit a shovel yesterday with a shovel laughing
          3. +4
            23 October 2015 10: 11
            Lord opened the bazaar. With Syria, Russia is concerned about one aspect. You didn’t listen to Putin at the UN, or wander around in the dark. He just said Preservation of statehood. That is not clear. By the way, volunteers of all the peoples of Syria are joining the Syrian army. There is nothing to cast a shadow on the fence. Only after the liberation of the country will the people decide how to continue to live. And how the kites flew this poor people too. Drop They themselves will solve all issues. And then listening to the hegemon I can’t understand where the right people are and where not. And Girkin just expresses his opinion is okay. Such are needed. Nobody will raise a hand to accuse him of betrayal. And that liberals of all stripes are curling around so clearly. But he said he won’t go into politics. He helps Dombass. Fine. And Kiev, the dilemma is incompatible to combine. And this is very logical. Putin at the UN said. And we won’t surrender the republics, but we will make guilty people in Kiev. Patience is needed. We wait and see. After SYRIA, the friends of Kiev began to slowly look into the East of Ukraine with different eyes. We are waiting for a long time.
            1. -7
              23 October 2015 11: 01
              Quote: igor.borov775
              . By the way, volunteers of all the peoples of Syria join the Syrian army.

              You absolutely do not know the situation
              Quote: igor.borov775
              . He said simply Preserving statehood

              Statehood can be preserved only by the peoples living in it - in the presence of community and purpose
              Quote: igor.borov775
              .A Girkin just expresses his opinion is okay.

              Indeed, it’s okay, the only question - how realistic is its analysis - in my understanding is very close to reality
              Quote: igor.borov775
              . Putin at the UN said

              At the UN, everyone speaks and no one hears anyone, everything that is said on the Gene of the UN Assembly is more for domestic consumption of the country to which the speaker belongs

              Quote: igor.borov775
              Wait and see. After SYRIA, the friends of Kiev began to slowly look at the East of Ukraine with different eyes

              What?
              1. +1
                23 October 2015 17: 39
                atalef

                You should not think that neighboring states are not interested in strong neighbors.

                Yes, experience, no one will demand the Golan from you back. Leave on record.
                Live calmly, grow up children. Improve your not-so-perfect educational system. Maybe a new generation will improve your international image.
                1. -5
                  23 October 2015 18: 32
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  You should not think that neighboring states are not interested in strong neighbors.

                  Why? Who needs a neighbor who can potentially blow you in the face.
                  Pay attention, I say POTENTIALLY, as priorities change, but strength remains
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Yes, experience, no one will demand the Golan from you back. Leave on record.

                  Therefore, they will not demand it, because they are strong. otherwise we would not have been behind the golan long ago
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Live calmly, grow up children. Improve your not-so-perfect educational system. Maybe a new generation will improve your international image.

                  Well, about the educational system - this can be argued.
                  I have something to compare.
                  All the same, in Canada, half of the family (on the mother's side) lives, including my eldest daughter.
                  1. +1
                    23 October 2015 19: 37
                    atalef

                    A strong neighbor and from the hegemon can help to brush it off.

                    At this political moment, a reassessment of values ​​has taken place. Independent states are becoming more valuable. The globalizers retreated. Therefore, in Syria, ISIS and bend to the fullest. Only 50 tons of weapons were abandoned, most likely due to bureaucratic inertia.

                    So Israel needs the Golan to support its independence. Therefore, by default, this question will not be raised with an edge.

                    The education in Israel is weak. Looking back 5 years ago.
                    1. -2
                      23 October 2015 20: 08
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      A strong neighbor and from the hegemon can help to brush it off.

                      Or maybe not
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Independent states are becoming more valuable.

                      independent no a priori
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Therefore, in Syria, ISIS and bend to the fullest.

                      belay Maybe I missed something?
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      So Israel needs the Golan to support its independence

                      Security
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The education in Israel is weak. Looking back 5 years ago.

                      I understand . that I lived here, well, somehow, according to my son (who graduated from the Technion), I would not say.
                      I have something to compare with
                  2. 0
                    23 October 2015 22: 07
                    Quote: atalef
                    Who needs a neighbor who can potentially blow you in the face.
                    Pay attention, I say POTENTIALLY, as priorities change, but strength remains

                    Some kind of alien worldview position. Now what, everyone thinks so? Here it is "the pig's snout of capitalism" that is doing to the people. This is the urine of all the weak, otherwise they will grow up and necessarily "punch in the face." You can start, for starters, with the former Soviet republics. I thought that it was our politicians at one time Belarus so spread rot? This is "American defense - active search and elimination of threats." Of course, in order to protect our national interests, risks should be assessed as "a combination of the probability of occurrence of adverse events and the magnitude of possible damage," but this is a completely different approach. In addition, the development of cooperation, friendship and the prevention of nasty things to neighbors is expected. Can anyone remember the "Peace Decree"? - something similar was said there. Well, and if an insidious enemy rolls his lips into someone else's, according to historical experience, he will blow it to the fullest, since the right side is the truth, in which the power, as stated in the famous film and not only. Well, there are some more nuances.
              2. +1
                24 October 2015 12: 59
                Dear where did the Syrian Army get the resources to launch an offensive on three routes. Yes Yes, it’s human. No gentlemen, the liberators from the President of Syria themselves gave an influx to the militia and the Army. Yes Isil doesn’t reckon with the states to build his bones. Yes to save the state and Lavrov in this he repeated in the spirit of Vienna and then the people themselves will decide everything. And what does Girkin not like you? Kurginyan rushes about on TV screens loudly broadcasts the truth And in the Soviet Socialist Republic he definitely had access to the main newspaper. broadcast too. This is already a profession. And Girkin is just a patriot. and a normal man has his own opinion. Yes, it does not coincide with those who radiantly shine on the screen. With such a country grows. What is terrible he says. Yes, he was in the Crimea in those very days and probably not a messenger. Yes, he was sitting in the trenches under the strongest fire and pressure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He saw the death of his friends who came to Donetsk. Of course, sitting in the offices far from the shell rupture, everything looks different. And this is also true. But they are different. That's where the problem is. So the soul hurts that not everything is done correctly. He has the right in his opinion, at his level, why refuse. him even that. He that undermines the foundations of the state is definitely not.
          4. +2
            23 October 2015 16: 50
            atalef

            The primary goal of the operation in Syria is the withdrawal of troop governments to the northern borders of the country. This will cut off the supply of ISIS troops. ISIS is supplied by Turkey. So says Yakov Kedmi.

            The Russian troops most likely will not stop there and will transfer their actions to the territory of Iraq. They will help there until the restoration of the state in normal mode.

            These goals have been stated from various sources. Let's just say semi-official but logically clear.
            1. -3
              23 October 2015 18: 34
              Quote: gladcu2
              The primary goal of the operation in Syria is the withdrawal of troop governments to the northern borders of the country. This will cut off the supply of ISIS troops.

              Strange, but I always thought that ISIS came from Iraq, and this is the east request
              Quote: gladcu2
              The Russian troops most likely will not stop there and will transfer their actions to the territory of Iraq

              Ie then we will switch to ISIS, and now with whom are they fighting?
              Quote: gladcu2
              These goals have been stated from various sources. Let's just say semi-official but logically clear.

              Logically yes, only not feasible. nobody will climb east
        2. -2
          23 October 2015 23: 18
          And what is incomprehensible here ... you cannot win the final victory there ... since the participants in the conflict are too diverse (first study who ... with whom ... and for what is fighting there). As a state in its current form, it is unlikely that it will be possible to preserve it ... It will spend colossal resources ... And we have a hostile neighbor in the person of Ukraine and other hostile "civilized" countries, and against the background of the deteriorating economic situation inside our country, figure out what consequences this can lead to.
    3. +10
      23 October 2015 08: 31
      I have always supported and will continue to support Strelkov. The only thing is that he is not a politician and sometimes he will say that not only ukroSMI, but all the others take his words out of context. Moreover, no matter what they say, but Russia is not yet ready for a large-scale war, including in Syria, and this is true, no matter who says anything (if the West tells us that it is afraid of us, it means only one thing - it puts us to sleep) ... And yes, Strelkov doesn’t believe in politicians, from here everything is possible for him “everything is gone”. In addition, I personally think that Strelkov is now oh how much he works for Russia, because if a large person in the West says that they are afraid of us, then this will mobilize the West, and in the same way, Strelkov wants to mobilize the Russians so that there is no opinion " shapkozakidatelstva "(remember the Russian-Japanese war ...). For some reason, there are a lot of jingoistic patriots, and this is more harmful than even liberoids.
      1. +23
        23 October 2015 09: 22
        Remember the statement of P.A. Stolypin: “In Russia they like to start reforms only because it is easier to hide the inability to rule.”
        And at the present stage of state development of Russia, we exist in a regime of constant reforms and counter-reforms !!! Those. it didn’t work (huge resources were wasted, guilty, as always, you’ll find hell, and everything is in place, permissiveness is booming), then a return to the previous working model. What is now observed!
        What does this mean?
        Capitalism was developed, surrendering territories of influence, and not national and state security were worried, Western partners, fucking. Only the Kremlin are to blame for the neglected situation. And when "a roast cock in .opu pecked, then they began to stir" (the initiative came from the people, and not from the "elites").
        Why, for example, I.V. Stalin strove for a “leap forward in development and evolutionary transformation,” and not for reform (breaking down and restructuring existing systems).
        Imagine what Comrade Stalin would have done in these 20-plus years of lawlessness of the “Kremlin content”. The North would have certainly been mastered, and only by the forces of criminals, compradors and cosmopolitans.

        Here is a series of expressions by P.A. Stolypin, relevant now (maybe even more than in his time):
        "A people that does not have a national identity is manure on which other peoples grow."
        "The main thing that is necessary is when we write the law for the whole country, to keep in mind the rational and the strong, not the drunk and the weak."
        “For those in power, there is no greater sin than cowardly evasion of responsibility.”
        “Where there is money, there is the devil. The homeland requires service so sacrificially pure that the slightest thought of personal gain overshadows the soul and paralyzes work. ”

        By the way, many statements by I.V. Stalin, too, today sounds just prophetic.
        1. +3
          23 October 2015 09: 57
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          And at the present stage of state development of Russia, we exist in a regime of constant reforms and counter-reforms !!!

          Og. Since the beginning of perestroika and the collapse of the country with the change of the social system to capitalism ...
          Reasons, reasons must be understood and not repeat such mistakes in the future. PROTECT RUSSIA !!!
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    4. 0
      23 October 2015 08: 34
      Quote: Igor39
      Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...

      I know how the crafts smell

      Quote: Gianni Rodari

      What do crafts smell like?

      Every case
      The smell is special:
      The bakery smells
      Dough and baking.

      Past the carpentry
      You go to the workshop, -
      Chip smells
      And fresh board.

      Smells painter
      Skiom and paint.
      The smell of glazier
      Window putty.

      Driver's jacket
      It smells of gasoline.
      Worker blouse -
      Machine oil.

      Confectioner smells
      Nutmeg nut.
      Doctor in lab coat -
      The medicine is pleasant.

      Loose earth
      Field and meadow
      Smells like a peasant,
      Going after the plow.

      Fish and sea
      It smells like a fisherman.
      Only idleness
      There is no smell.

      How many chokes
      Swindler rich
      It doesn't matter
      He smells guys!


      But I don’t know what Strelkov smells like. Let Strelkov’s supporters try to refute Starikov’s words.

      1. +1
        23 October 2015 10: 29
        Wash libroeaters, urapatriots and guard-patriots - you can’t argue against logic and pragmatism ...
        1. +2
          23 October 2015 17: 06
          Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
          Wash libroeaters, urapatriots and guard-patriots - you can’t argue against logic and pragmatism ...

          They always have arguments against logic in the form of reflex poking in the negative. laughing
          1. +2
            23 October 2015 18: 07
            And where is the logic? Or what?
            1. 0
              23 October 2015 19: 42
              Quote: Siberian
              And where is the logic? Or what?

              There a little higher video with Starikov look ...
          2. 0
            24 October 2015 19: 01
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            against logic, there are always arguments in the form of reflexive poking at minus.

            "one d. ugly person will ask so many questions that even 100 wise men will not answer" :)
            "Igor Ivanych", in your opinion, arrived in Slavyansk out of "nowhere", had an accidental relation to the office, and he also spoke about the Russian world on the first channel ?!
            Don't you think that he knows a lot more than he can say?
            Maybe some people don’t like what he says at all ?!
            Russian world, import substitution, stability (including the ruble), partners, a liberal economy, free capital withdrawal, effective managers who will not receive salaries in corporations, but will be civil servants? Are you sure the author is not familiar?
            1. 0
              24 October 2015 19: 49
              Quote: twviewer
              Russian world, import substitution, stability (including the ruble), partners, a liberal economy, free capital withdrawal, effective managers who will not receive salaries in corporations, but will be civil servants? Are you sure the author is not familiar?

              Sign, sign !!! good
              “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
              And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

              Or do you think that Russia, contrary to his actions, has entered one of the leading places in the world?
              1. +1
                24 October 2015 22: 07
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                Or do you think that Russia, contrary to his actions, has entered one of the leading places in the world?

                The location of the resource appendage? This is a feat.
                But Russia has not lived before in the 21st century at 100 + $ per barrel and is unlikely to be, so there’s nothing to compare with.
                Threat cars on credit in the yards from the poverty of the mind - you correctly noticed this
                1. -1
                  25 October 2015 19: 43
                  Quote: twviewer
                  But Russia has not lived before in the 21st century at 100 + $ per barrel and is unlikely to be, so there’s nothing to compare with.

                  Does it not seem strange to you that the United States has buried its own shale deposits, companies, etc.? They buried a whole industry. Tell them a damn thing? Well, the pipes. In addition to shales, they bury their dollar, and this is their main commodity.
                  1. +1
                    26 October 2015 18: 17
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Does it not seem strange to you that the United States has buried its own shale deposits, companies, etc.? They buried a whole industry. Tell them a damn thing? Well, the pipes. In addition to shales, they bury their dollar, and this is their main commodity.

                    Americans simply stopped investing in new fields (as we did in the 90s), the cost of production with the development of technology will fall, and the shale oil potential will remain.
                    As for the dollar, it has been buried for a long time, but just tell me, can the Americans bill? Russia? with its then liberal secondary economic course?
                    1. 0
                      30 October 2015 08: 22
                      Quote: twviewer
                      As for the dollar, it has been buried for a long time, but just tell me, can the Americans bill?

                      There was a precedent. De Gaulle returned the gold coin, and today they will refuse their paper and no accounts will be needed.

                      Quote: twviewer
                      Russia? with its then liberal secondary economic course?

                      The manufacturing sector of the Russian economy is comparable to the manufacturing sector of the United States, do not think badly about Russia. smile
            2. 0
              24 October 2015 19: 49
              Quote: twviewer
              Russian world, import substitution, stability (including the ruble), partners, a liberal economy, free capital withdrawal, effective managers who will not receive salaries in corporations, but will be civil servants? Are you sure the author is not familiar?

              Sign, sign !!! good
              “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
              And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

              Or do you think that Russia, contrary to his actions, has entered one of the leading places in the world?
      2. +5
        23 October 2015 10: 31
        Well, Starikov just doesn’t need to be cited as an example, he is still a figure. The magician is still one.
        1. +4
          23 October 2015 12: 18
          And whom ??? Who is the authority ??? Than the Old Men did not please ???
          1. +3
            23 October 2015 12: 44
            Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
            What did not please Starikov ???

            The pro-government manipulator of the consciousness of the masses. The key word is pro-government. He says a lot of right and necessary At the moment things, a lot of truth needed to bring down the Maidan mood in society. But he deliberately denigrates Strelkov, because an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it. If you watched their politring, tell me - what is Shooters wrong about? Why did Starikov then put him on a par with Obama, Kerry and other evil spirits, taking words out of context? Low.
            1. +3
              23 October 2015 14: 03
              Starikov has been saying the same thing for many years, both before your Girkin and before the course of the state became what he is now. Can Starikov manipulate the state ???
              Girkin the alternative to Putin is utter stupidity, this person is not competent in politics, economics, geopolitics, he occupies the place that suits him best, a sad, vain clown.Eternal- "Putin has leaked Donbass."
              The Novorossiya project is an anti-Ukraine project, by analogy with Ukraine-anti Russia. I’m not even sure that this project was initiated by Russia itself, most likely we intercepted it and used it against its creators (the notorious martial arts tactics). Donbass plays the role that must comply, he does not allow Ukraine to join NATO and also does not allow Ukraine to provoke a real war with Russia, the consequences of which will be sad for both Ukraine and Russia, to the joy of the United States.
              This is cynical in relation to the inhabitants of Donbass, but politics is a cynical thing, no emotions only pragmatism.
              "If something is profitable for us, believe the truth."
              1. +4
                23 October 2015 15: 55
                Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                alternative to Putin-stupidity is utter, this person is not competent in politics, economics

                Putin is also not competent in the economy.
                1. +2
                  23 October 2015 16: 39
                  Putin plays by the rules that are written so that you can’t win this game and you can’t get out of it either, while the result that we have (5th world economy) is impressive. So you are wrong.
                  1. +1
                    23 October 2015 23: 41
                    Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                    At the same time, the result that we have (5 world economy) is impressive.

                    What result do we have? Give an answer about high matters, for example, the attachment of the ruble to oil and the fact of the Karensi board, or about the price tag on a shelf from life and an unfulfilled import substitution?
                2. +1
                  23 October 2015 18: 45
                  tomke

                  GDP has a development potential. But if he does not know in details, then he perfectly imagines himself in a general form. This is enough and criticism is not appropriate.
                  1. +2
                    23 October 2015 23: 37
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    This is enough and criticism is not appropriate.

                    While the economic bloc headed by DAM is in power, criticism is more than appropriate.
                3. 0
                  23 October 2015 19: 39
                  Quote: tomket
                  Putin is also not competent in the economy.

                  And Russia under Putin paid off external debt. Increased GDP at times.
                  Here the comrade on the fingers explains this.
                  http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html
                  1. -3
                    23 October 2015 20: 09
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    And Russia under Putin paid off foreign debt

                    not repaid
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    . Increased GDP at times.

                    Well ?
                    Quote: VseDoFeNi
                    Here the comrade on the fingers explains this.

                    Well, then on the fingers are all masters, but in real life?
                    1. +2
                      23 October 2015 21: 08
                      But in real life I have a salary of more than 150 thousand rubles (75% in dollars) My military father does not need money, he has enough for everything, every year he has a vacation, the car is not the cheapest and, according to his seniority, he wants an apartment in Russia.
                      Enough ????
                      1. +1
                        23 October 2015 21: 28
                        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                        And in real life I have a salary of more than 150 thousand rubles (75% in dollars)

                        Good (for Russia), but not so much for some other countries.
                        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                        The military father does not need money, enough for everything,

                        Everything (actually) is never enough. Although, depending on what requests and desires. There are those who die in poverty, and the dough is a full mattress
                        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                        every year on vacation, the car is not the cheapest and, according to the length of service, an apartment where he wants to in Russia.
                        Enough ????

                        This is good, but for me it’s completely not enough. hi
                        It's like an anecdote, can a wife make her a millionaire husband
                        The answer is YES if he was a billionaire laughing
                      2. +1
                        23 October 2015 21: 48
                        Natural needs, something that allows you to live with dignity.
                        Do not forget about prices, even taking into account their increase, we are cheaper than in the "developed" capitalist countries.
                        When I come home from Korea (especially after a long interruption) to Sakhalin from a flight, every time I am surprised at the sacristy in prices, and in our direction (except for household appliances, prices are at the level), I generally keep silent about Japan there are sky-high.
                    2. +2
                      23 October 2015 23: 44
                      Quote: atalef
                      Well, then on the fingers are all masters, but in real life?

                      but in the real world there is no import substitution, there is no start of industrialization, the same iPhone rookie steers. In economics, Putin is the unit with a fat minus. Learn and study more .....
            2. +3
              23 October 2015 17: 11
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But he deliberately denigrates Strelkova

              Refute his words in a video argumentatively, as I requested.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              because an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it.

              Rather, I will become a mystery universe, than Strelkov will draw, as an alternative to Putin.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              what is wrong shooters?

              And what is right? The fact that, as he did not cease defeat of the militias?
            3. 0
              23 October 2015 17: 11
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              But he deliberately denigrates Strelkova

              Refute his words in a video argumentatively, as I requested.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              because an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it.

              Rather, I will become a mystery universe, than Strelkov will draw, as an alternative to Putin.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              what is wrong shooters?

              And what is right? The fact that, as he did not cease defeat of the militias?
            4. +3
              23 October 2015 18: 42
              Ingvar 72

              Which manipulator do you prefer?
            5. +2
              23 October 2015 18: 44
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it.

              Not an option. Strelkov / Girkin politician is a hundred times worse than a military leader.
            6. -1
              24 October 2015 08: 20
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The pro-government manipulator of the consciousness of the masses. The key word is pro-government.

              From your words it follows that anti-government is good, and pro-government is bad. This idiotic understanding of the situation leads to revolutions and other Maidan. They, in turn, always lead to the blood and poverty of peoples with this idiotic understanding struck.
              So it was in France with its series of riots and unrest for many years, so it was with the Russian Empire, who lost the 1905 war not so much to Japan as to the maidanut of those years, led by Anglo-Saxon manipulators. So it was in the Russian Empire of 1917, which destroyed the strongest continental power of Eurasia. Etc. My good advice to you is to rethink your worldview and worldview. although this is difficult to do, one has to step on one's ego. But it, rethinking, is worth it.
              1. +2
                24 October 2015 08: 43
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                From your words it follows that anti-government is good, and pro-government is bad

                No, it happens that both are bad
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                This idiotic understanding of the situation leads to revolutions and other Maidan.

                Revolution - nor always badly because revolutions do not take shape from scratch, for this at least there must be a revolutionary situation. You already know its definition, well, how it is
                The lower classes do not want, the upper circles cannot
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                . My good advice to you is to rethink your worldview and worldview. although this is difficult to do, one has to step on one's ego. But it, rethinking, is worth it.

                You again do not understand, the revolutionary situation consists not only of the women’s Wishlist, but also of the non-Wishlist-upper.
                Both sides need to eliminate the causes.
                1. -1
                  26 October 2015 08: 50
                  Quote: atalef
                  Revolution - nor always badly because revolutions do not take shape from scratch, for this at least there must be a revolutionary situation. You already know its definition, well, how it is
                  The lower classes do not want, the upper circles cannot

                  Maidan, speak? Oh well...
                  NCO, speak? Yes Yes...
                  Stop funding IS and "moderate" opposition and that's it, no revolutionary situation.

                  PS An example of "not always a bad revolution" would you be so kind as to give it. Better than a few.
          2. -1
            23 October 2015 17: 08
            Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
            And whom ??? Who is the authority ??? Than the Old Men did not please ???

            Probably Novikov is an authority. laughing
      3. +4
        23 October 2015 18: 06
        The refutation of the words of Starikov is the words of Strelkov himself (listen to the politring himself). I have nothing against Starikov, but this is sophistry: the substitution of concepts by manipulating verbal. And after this same political spring, there was a discussion here.
        There it was about the fact that Starikov, having not been either in the Crimea or in the Donbass, told in his historical voice how the people of Crimea literally did everything with the powerful support of the authorities of all stripes. And Strelkov replied that there are no miracles in the world, such things do not happen spontaneously. I am not quoting, I am translating: I had to drive them in, it only means that with the hovering moods, the authorities were not eager to take concrete actions. And the expression "had to be driven out" is figurative. Yes, most likely I had to hurry. And everything else, too, has nothing to do with Starikov's words here.
        I do not understand the essence of these purely male feuds - what is the need for Strelkov to try to lower it? Yes, even with such perseverance? What, the more no?
        He is only a historian-reenactor, not a politician, not a political scientist, not a journalist. Romantic of the white movement. But for about 3 months he held out against various ukropodunits in Slavyansk. I sincerely believed and still believes that it was necessary for Roosia to reach Kiev. Until he is wrong. The stench would still be the same, but by now everything would have subsided. "To win, you have to fight", "with a truce in such a form as now, there are still losses among the peaceful people ..." What is wrong? But there would be no talk about draining, not draining, Donbass residents, who are over 100 years old at that time, would not be sitting in tame prisons.
        It is all the more incomprehensible why Strelkov is so worried about Roman S.? With such persistence ... About Strelkov, about Bednov, about Mozgovoy. Somehow he chooses the wrong "opponents". Why not Strelkov - and does good deeds, and hammers with his tongue in vain?
        1. 0
          26 October 2015 09: 00
          Quote: Siberian
          (listen to politring himself)

          I listened. Long. I'm not going to listen. I have a negative opinion about Strelkov.
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      4. +1
        23 October 2015 22: 50
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        But I don’t know what Strelkov smells like.

        What smells, what does it smell like? ... The "White Guard" and the monarchist Strelkov smells no worse than the monarchist and latent anti-Soviet Starikov. Both spokesmen for the interests of certain social strata (like Kurginyan, by the way) see the main goals in different ways, determine the effectiveness of achieving the current goals of the country's leadership in different ways, and evaluate the available resources differently. All three are patriots (ask any liberal - there is generally a patriot on a patriot) and sometimes act in the national interests of the country. The shooters, at least with weapons in their hands, acted in the interests of the country and his claims about the delay and half-heartedness of decisions made are justified. This is me about Novorossiya. Whoever did not understand this yet (on the example of Yugoslavia, when there was no time for it; Saddam Hussein, who was betrayed; Libya, which was not supported; Syria, about which they realized it, when it became obvious to the blind how it would all end), is just a blinkered urapatriot ... Well, let's see how the assessments of what was done wrong will change from the perspective of tomorrow.
        1. 0
          26 October 2015 09: 09
          Quote: V. Salama
          (ask any liberal - there is generally a patriot on a patriot)

          The ideal of individual freedom is Mowgli. But the trouble is, not capable and asocial to the roots of the hair. Liberals, sick people.

          Quote: V. Salama
          Strelkov, at least with arms in his hands, acted in the interests of the country, and his claims regarding the delay and half of the decisions made are fair.

          Sometimes a dangerous fool is worse than the enemy, which we saw very well with Khrushchev as an example.
    5. +1
      23 October 2015 09: 19
      March 4 2015
      http://topwar.ru/70172-boroday-strelkov-po-faktu-uzhe-voyuet-na-storone-protivni
      ka.html # comment-id-4174044
    6. +12
      23 October 2015 10: 43
      There are also many "strategists" on VO, and each has his own opinion. It smells more of a liberal from the Government of Russia, and V.V. Putin has repeatedly stated that Russia will not turn from the liberal course. Here's one of his recent statements: [media = http: //lentaru.media.eagleplatform.com/index/player? Player = new & player_tem
      plate_id = 4765 & record_id = 339832].
      But the author of the article, apparently, did not finish the program to the end (so he wrote in the text "Personally, I had enough" after referring to several phrases taken out of context). And the statement of Comrade Korotchenko
      The principle should be one: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS.
      testifies to a clearly emotional assessment of Strelkov's statements. First, the country is not a subject, but an object, while the subject is the state apparatus, which is made up of the same people as you and me. And secondly, people tend to be wrong. This is also the case for top-level managers. And here there is no need to harbor illusions about the unique abilities of V.V. Putin to come up with "cunning plans" - plans are developed by a team of people who are painfully famous. These are the very people who carried out the education reform, health care reform (sorry, health care), allowed Chubais to manage innovations, put the tax officer in charge of reforming the army (good luck!), Those who ruin the oil industry with their tax maneuvers, who invest money in foreign paper, and not in the development of their own country, etc.
      Therefore, Strelkov, Kalashnikov, and in general any sane person, has every right to doubt the correctness of the decisions of the country's leadership!
      Regarding ROY TV: Kalashnikov and the Party of Affairs are one of the few patriots who poses the right questions, and most importantly, offer practical solutions without cheering patriotism and hatred.
      1. -1
        23 October 2015 19: 03
        znorik

        Something you wrote, but obviously a lot is not right.

        GDP could say anything about the liberal rate. At the time, new features and reasons for changing the point of view are coming and appearing.

        How did you remember the oil industry? So the question is not straightforward. There is a large percentage of national, state property. The concepts of state ownership and taxes are not compatible. Since all profits belong to the state.
    7. +2
      23 October 2015 11: 50
      Quote: Igor39
      smacks of it.

      And a year ago, who questioned Igor Yuryevich’s talent in disgrace! O times about loyalty!
      1. avt
        0
        23 October 2015 19: 34
        Quote: sssla
        And a year ago, who questioned the talent of Igor Yuryevich

        Well, I set and
        Quote: Bayonet
        ! It was funny to read and get cons from enthusiastic defenders.

        I received not only minuses but also hysterical comments in response
        Quote: Bayonet
        And now, just Girkin

        And Girkin / Strelkov wrote. Well, who ended up right? And all the business was ready to sit and see who it was that same BabaYa / Mozhaeva was promoting with posters about 300 riflemen.
    8. +2
      23 October 2015 11: 51
      Quote: Igor39
      Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...

      Oh, how long has he been extolled here? They magnified solely on their patronymic - Igor Ivanovich, commander, strategist, for president they predicted! It was funny to read and get cons from enthusiastic defenders. And now, just Girkin (liberalist?), Which was to be expected. smile hi
      1. +1
        23 October 2015 12: 46
        You are right. I already wrote that the party line rules here and most likely "Eat Russia". The tail wagging appeared quite a long time ago. Here and there. And the further, the more the tail wobbles. There are more articles that justify the actions of politicians , which led the country to decline, more and more articles from the camp of liberals and who joined them. Well, the shkolota, she never had her own opinion, so she vacillates with the party's course. These are the hesitations that ruined the USSR. When the "communists" had to get up to defend the USSR, they hesitated expectantly, so they hesitated.
      2. +2
        23 October 2015 19: 10
        Bayonet

        Do not be a cynic. Someone casts a shadow on the wattle fence. Be more pragmatic. Look who needs it?

        If you are asked a question and for today you will give the correct answer. They will criticize and blame you tomorrow, only because your answer yesterday does not coincide with the present.
        1. +1
          24 October 2015 07: 53
          Quote: gladcu2
          If you are asked a question and for today you will give the correct answer. They will criticize and blame you tomorrow, only because your answer yesterday does not coincide with the present.

          And I was not and I will not be a weather vane! I have my opinion and I’m not going to change it for the sake of someone! hi
          1. 0
            24 October 2015 08: 37
            Quote: Bayonet
            I have my opinion and I’m not going to change it for the sake of someone!

            Even when you understand that you are wrong? wink
            This I do not claim, but to clarify the position for. Yes
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    10. -2
      23 October 2015 15: 25
      Quote: Igor39
      Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...

      Yes, it was initially clear that he was a liberal, his task was to do everything so that the world, and especially Europe, believed that Russia was behind the events in the Donbas and there were Russian troops there! what Girkin did successfully !!!
      1. +1
        23 October 2015 16: 18
        Quote: YARS
        Yes, it was initially clear that he was a liberal,

        Girkin Liberal belay
        Quote: YARS
        His task was to do everything so that the world, and especially Europe, believed that Russia was behind the events in the Donbass and there were Russian troops there! what Girkin did successfully!

        really great to ridiculous one step
        By the way, Yars, have you always had a Ukrainian flag, and here is German?
        Do you prefer to fade to the adversary and NATO member, and not to Russia?
        1. +4
          23 October 2015 17: 14
          and you so follow my flags? Does the flag opposite my nickname bother you or my opinion ?!
          You are funny my statement ?! Then prove the opposite! In general, when the Jews and liberals of our forum defend Girkin, this once again proves for me from where Girkin’s breeze is blowing! I want to emphasize right away that so now many do not yell, I am not an anti-Semite and have nothing against the Jews!
      2. +1
        23 October 2015 19: 14
        Yars

        This is what you say now. And two years ago no one really understood anything.

        The only statement was the GDP so that they would not hold a referendum. Which was not heard. And everything started spontaneously and unpredictably.

        So, you cannot judge retroactively.
        1. -1
          24 October 2015 11: 58
          Quote: gladcu2
          Yars

          This is what you say now. And two years ago no one really understood anything.

          The only statement was the GDP so that they would not hold a referendum. Which was not heard. And everything started spontaneously and unpredictably.

          So, you cannot judge retroactively.


          I agree, I do not deny it, I even wrote a comment in his favor. To me personally, initially, the phrase of him and his associates "we Russians came to save the Russians in Ukraine" seemed provocative, but emotions about the introduction of troops into Donbass and the bombing of civilians eclipsed vigilance! Putin and Primakov also stated that Russia is for the integrity of Ukraine!
    11. 0
      23 October 2015 15: 45
      It’s worse here, he is a monarchist and his goal is to put the new king on the Russian throne ...
      1. 0
        23 October 2015 18: 49
        Quote: TiGRoO
        he is a monarchist

        It is unclear who he is.
        Today is a liberal, tomorrow is a monarchist, the day after tomorrow a nationalist, and in a month Marx will be idolized ...
    12. 0
      24 October 2015 01: 42
      Girkin recovered.
    13. 0
      24 October 2015 02: 50
      Jews in the military are suspicious.
    14. 0
      24 October 2015 03: 17
      In general, his (Girkin's) statements regarding Syria are strange. How can a person who does not know a priori the situation there make such categorical conclusions? It can only speculate, but speculation is the essence of the same fantasy.
    15. +1
      25 October 2015 07: 23
      Why do you think so. In vain. It's just that he is a patriot of his country. If it becomes very bad, he will be the first to take up arms to defend the Country. It is necessary to distinguish between fighters of the propaganda front, who include two respected gentlemen and a man of business. He does not possess persuasion skills like these gentlemen. He also supports his country. His simple statements are very different from the speeches of Kurginyan and Korotich. But unfortunately he has the right to express them. In his mind, he understands that reality is much harsher than the figures who are pushing on television screens broadcast it. He is the only one. I do not believe. There are thousands of them who want the greatness of the country. Yes they criticize but they have their own and have the right all the more so they will not be aloof if suddenly. Yes, everyday life is not at all what they wanted and the changes are very slow. Girkin is afraid of one in Syria so that we would not make a mistake there. They cost human lives dearly. This is his pain. There are many cars in the world, but one life. A car can be repaired, a new one can be built, and there is no life. And it’s strange that these gentlemen attacked Girkin, they meet on round tables on television with more worthy faces from whom warps stronger. But strange they do not touch and do not criticize. Strange.
    16. 0
      25 October 2015 23: 26
      Oba-na, who would have thought that Girkin is not quite "correct", but from whose lips, a year ago Skomorokhov for such "sedition" from the Light would have lived. Apparently a "hangover" is better than a "binge", or rather "intoxication with the heroes of Donbass." Did not expect, although the first "saw the light" Alexander Romanov. Sincerely.
  2. +33
    23 October 2015 06: 30
    I myself fell victim to the "charm" of Strelkov-Girkin. And yelled obscenely at Kurginyan to himself. But I quickly realized from where the wind was blowing. Especially after the debate Girkin - Starikov. I will not write what I think about the "White Guard". I'm afraid to grab an eternal ban.
    1. +18
      23 October 2015 06: 53
      Quote: Vladimir
      I myself fell victim to the "charm" of Strelkov-Girkin. And yelled obscenely at Kurginyan to himself. But I quickly realized from where the wind was blowing. Especially after the debate Girkin - Starikov. I will not write what I think about the "White Guard". I'm afraid to grab an eternal ban.

      And I'm the opposite. When he was promoted, he was wary.
      Stopped PR, and he spoke a fairly accessible language for understanding.
      I understand him.
      1. +5
        23 October 2015 08: 07
        Quote: Babr
        Stopped PR, and he spoke a fairly accessible language for understanding.
        I understand him.

        But in general, what is he wrong with the wrong thing?
        Has anyone generally identified salt from this interview?
        Shooters
        1. The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)
        2. The war in Syria, PR turns into a sacred war, while Novorossia finally merges
        3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable
        4. Assad has no prospects, and at best, it is a question of consolidation in the Alavite regions
        5. The failure in Syria is the largest geraldic defeat and therefore
        and. or the deployment of ground forces is inevitable
        b. Or ... Assad will have to merge the same
        El murid
        1. The time to help Assad is lost.
        2. In terms of resources - Syria does not represent anything
        4 Russia is not brmbit ISIS
        3. The collapse of Syria actually happened and to collect it back is neither real
        5. Well and so on note ISIS oil production 30t bar. in the afternoon - so carnations in the coffin of propaganda that ISIS dropped the price of oil
        6. Transnistria is forgotten, and the Donbass is drained methodically

        This is so in detail not focusing on the rest, which is not right?
        I honestly don't see anything
        1. +5
          23 October 2015 08: 17
          Quote: atalef
          I honestly don't see anything

          Me too. Rarely you and I are in the same harness.
          But here ..... hi
          1. 0
            23 October 2015 10: 34
            Quote: Babr
            Me too. Rarely you and I are in the same harness

            Took off the tongue. And grace sometimes descends on Atalef. laughing
        2. +20
          23 October 2015 08: 34
          Quote: atalef
          while Novorossia finally merges

          Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.
          Quote: atalef
          3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable

          There are no colossal expenses. The teachings of the dough are devoured many times more.
          Quote: atalef
          3. The collapse of Syria actually happened and to collect it back is neither real

          Well, there will be two, three states. It's okay.
          Quote: atalef
          6. Transnistria is forgotten

          By whom?
          Quote: atalef
          I honestly don't see anything

          To bury 4000 rams fighting for ISIS in Syria is better than they returning.
          Healthy beach man, where are my women in swimsuits? laughing
          1. -8
            23 October 2015 08: 44
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

            Sanya, having blocked the border, half will run away, the second will have a drink and will sing Hai alive with foam at his mouth, but what about the partisans (of course, like in Chechnya and Dagestan), but to what sense? Ukraine will not disappear from this and Donbass will not become Russia
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There are no colossal expenses. The teachings of the dough are devoured many times more.

            Come on, also compared me
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, there will be two, three states. It's okay.

            Well, as long as the states arise, it will take time, nevertheless, Syria (from this) will never be united again.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            6. Transnistria is forgotten
            By whom?

            And what do you hear in the news about Transnistria? And that the blockade has already been lifted?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            To bury 4000 rams fighting for ISIS in Syria is better than they returning.

            Entering the war of Russia - will generate another 20 tons of the same, but seeing in Russia a legitimate enemy.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Healthy beach man, where are my women in swimsuits?

            On the beach laughing Although yours are probably already wearing fur coats laughing What is the temperature in Komsomolsk?
            1. +8
              23 October 2015 08: 56
              Quote: atalef
              Sanya, blocking the border - half scatter

              No, they have no where to run. This is the difficulty.
              Quote: atalef
              Ukraine will not disappear from this and Donbass will not become Russia

              I thought Putin would recognize Donbass, but I was wrong. Kiev Sanya is expensive, because read the sparrow.
              Quote: atalef
              And what do you hear in the news about Transnistria? And that the blockade has already been lifted?

              I don’t give a damn about the media, I have people there. Everything’s in there, nothing new.
              Quote: atalef

              Entrance to the war of Russia-will generate another 20 tons of the same

              Enough land for everyone.
              Quote: atalef
              What is the temperature in Komsomolsk?

              +10 tongue And not in fur coats, but in fur swimsuits bully
              1. -5
                23 October 2015 09: 09
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, they have no where to run. This is the difficulty.

                There is always where to run (by the way, but they will not be allowed into Russia? laughing it means no drain laughing )
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I thought Putin would recognize Donbass, but I was wrong. Kiev Sanya is expensive, because read the sparrow

                Sanya, did you decide that Syria is cheaper? belay
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I don’t give a damn about the media, I have people there. Everything’s in there, nothing new.

                Right, blockade is nothing new
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Enough land for everyone.

                Who would doubt that. I wrote you a famous saying
                The difference between smart and wise
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                +10 And not in fur coats, but in fur swimsuits
                1. +5
                  23 October 2015 09: 58
                  Quote: atalef
                  The difference between smart and wise

                  You just don't understand kaif
              2. +6
                23 October 2015 10: 31
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: atalef
                And what do you hear in the news about Transnistria? And that the blockade has already been lifted?
                I don’t give a damn about the media, I have people there. Everything’s in there, nothing new.


          2. +12
            23 October 2015 09: 34
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            To bury 4000 rams fighting for ISIS in Syria is better than they returning.

            I wanted to start opposing the atalef - so Romanov took it right off the tongue! good hi
            Syria is the teachings of some military branches in a combat situation. And the granny’s teachings are budgeted and successfully spent.
            Plus, there are geopolitical moments that are in no way connected with Syria. Russia proves that it is able to lead - and leads! - an independent policy. And the USA cannot oppose anything to Russia. The recognition of this by the world community is worth a lot! bully
            1. -5
              23 October 2015 09: 52
              Quote: andj61
              Syria is the teachings of some military branches in a combat situation. And the granny’s teachings are budgeted and successfully spent.

              Do you know the difference between teachings and Syria?
              Teachings on your territory and you start and finish them when you want
              The exercises on its territory do not bear you any geopolitical risks and image losses
              teachings cannot end in defeat or victory.
              Quote: andj61
              Plus, there are geopolitical moments that are in no way connected with Syria. Russia proves that it is able to lead - and leads! - independent policy

              You know, the same thing (as an example) I married for the first time, proving to my parents that I could pursue an affirmative policy, then I paid child support for 15 years, leaving home with two bags laughing
              independent - does not mean everything is correct and successful
              Quote: andj61
              And the USA cannot oppose anything to Russia. The recognition of this by the world community is worth a lot!

              Take your time - everything is just beginning. begins.
          3. +1
            23 October 2015 10: 37
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

            Without fuel supplies and other things, Novorossia will last a maximum of six months.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There are no colossal expenses. The teachings of the dough are devoured many times more.

            Not at times of course, but I agree.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, there will be two, three states. It's okay.

            Geopolitically defeated.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            By whom?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            By whom?

            Everyone postponed as a so far unnecessary thing. As needed - pulled out.
            1. +4
              23 October 2015 11: 32
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Without fuel supplies and other things, Novorossia will last a maximum of six months.

              Yes, fuel is regularly supplied there.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Geopolitically defeated.

              Well, sorry, take it as it is. Yes, and in fact, no one says that we are going to free Syria. While the attack is on, we are helping, then that's enough.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Everyone postponed as a so far unnecessary thing. As needed - pulled out.

              What is wrong there right now?
          4. 0
            23 October 2015 11: 47
            to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic
            no need to disarm anyone. Was it not here that I read that refugees are returning to Donetsk, not those who fled to Russia. and those who fled to the west of Krajina. How will they vote at the next election. When there is no front and a quiet movement between the West and the East is possible, the kidnappings will not begin. Just Kiev will merge with Donetsk and everyone will forget the word Novorossiya. In any case, those who were categorically against such a development of events "died by accident."
            1. +2
              23 October 2015 11: 55
              Quote: Gardamir
              Didn’t I read here that refugees are returning to Donetsk, not those who fled to Russia. and those who fled to the west Krajin

              A lot are also coming back from Russia.
              Quote: Gardamir
              When there is no front and a quiet movement between west and east is possible,

              To do this, you need to disarm the Donbass, and this is impossible!
              Quote: Gardamir
              ... In any case, those who were categorically against such a development of events "died by accident."

              For example, who accidentally died?
              1. 0
                23 October 2015 12: 29
                Alexander you are inattentive
                To do this, you need to disarm the Donbass, and this is impossible!
                Minsk agreements suggest unification. For example, Brain accidentally died.
          5. +1
            23 October 2015 12: 47
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

            By the way, where is the last "icon" of those who conceived, Motorola now?
            1. -4
              23 October 2015 14: 13
              Quote: tomket
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

              By the way, where is the last "icon" of those who conceived, Motorola now?

              He tried to convince everyone that in Syria.
              1. 0
                23 October 2015 15: 41
                Quote: atalef
                He tried to convince everyone that in Syria.

                Is he there or not ???
                1. +2
                  23 October 2015 16: 19
                  Quote: tomket
                  Quote: atalef
                  He tried to convince everyone that in Syria.

                  Is he there or not ???

                  judging by this video - This is definitely not Syria
                  1. 0
                    23 October 2015 17: 03
                    Quote: atalef
                    judging by this video - This is definitely not Syria

                    Vegetation looks more like what is growing outside my window. Apparently fell victim to self-PR ....
                    1. -1
                      23 October 2015 17: 13
                      Quote: tomket
                      Quote: atalef
                      judging by this video - This is definitely not Syria

                      Vegetation looks more like what is growing outside my window. Apparently fell victim to self-PR ....

                      Oh well.
                      Well, as it was necessary to otmazatsya somehow, the glory of the hero and the halo over his head - you get used to it.
            2. +2
              23 October 2015 17: 31
              About two weeks ago I was in Moscow.
              What does he have to do with it?
              1. +2
                23 October 2015 18: 17
                Well, justify the minus please. what
                I did not say that "Motor" is in Moscow, but said that he was here, came to the meeting of the union of volunteers of Donbass (unfortunately, we did not have time to come with a friend)
                And do not weave it into moronic disputes.
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        3. +4
          23 October 2015 08: 40
          I also think so .. Late to drink Borjomi .. In Syria, at best, they will be able to gain a foothold in certain territories. They are going to make 2 permanent bases - probably this is right .. But the Donbass are definitely preparing for the transition to dill .. The ruling oligarchs seem to have more or less agreed with whom it is necessary. Transnistria sausages in full. And ours seems to have completely stopped paying attention to it. While the regime in Kiev will be Amer’s, Transnistria’s chances of survival are minimal.
        4. +12
          23 October 2015 08: 44
          Quote: atalef
          1. The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)

          If no one voiced this long-term strategy, this does not mean that it does not exist.
          Quote: atalef
          2. The war in Syria, PR turns into a sacred war, while Novorossia finally merges

          Where is Syria, and where is New Russia .....?
          And why is one so stubbornly fastened to the other? This is not a war on two fronts.
          Quote: atalef
          3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable

          I didn’t see the budget for military spending ... Has anyone seen? what
          About irrevocability ... Guess who will restore the infrastructure and economy in Syria. Not for the "thanks"?
          It seems to me that Assad Jr. flew to Moscow not to show off in front of cameras with GDP, but to a personal meeting organized by GDP from his comrades. But with whom - a separate question.

          Hello Alexander!
          hi
          1. -3
            23 October 2015 09: 17
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            If no one voiced this long-term strategy, this does not mean that it does not exist.

            I saw the same video about the gopher, but the question is - what is Russia's strategy in Syria? What are the goals - voice.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Where is Syria, and where is New Russia .....?

            Hey . Ilyich !!
            Well, you don’t need to explain wink
            Syria is far from Russia, it is in the BV and Arabs live there (moreover, they differ in faith and development)
            New Russia is the border of Russia and the Slav brothers live there. speaking the same language and being part of the Russian world

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            I didn’t see the budget for military spending ... Has anyone seen?

            Well 10 lard forgiven. then they gave another 4 (4 years ago) - well then, they say the costs are minimal - 3 billion a year, now with the introduction of grouping - more.
            By the way, who considered indirect losses?

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            About irrevocability ... Guess who will restore the infrastructure and economy in Syria. Not for the "thanks"?

            And who will pay? Is Syria really? Or maybe you call her solvent allies laughing
            If you say Iran, I will laugh even more. Look at inflation in Iran over the past year.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It seems to me that Assad Jr. flew to Moscow not to show off in front of cameras with GDP, but to a personal meeting organized by GDP from his comrades.

            Well, think ? Who visited GDP before Assad?
            1. +7
              23 October 2015 09: 33
              Quote: atalef
              I saw the same video about the gopher, but the question is - what is Russia's strategy in Syria? What are the goals - voice.

              I will not call the GDP moves brilliant, because the party is in full swing.
              But I also cannot disagree with his argument, given the other day at Valdai, that it’s better to move in someone else’s toilet - your own will be cleaner.
              The operation of the Russian air forces in Syria is a rather forced measure. But as preventive and necessary.
              Quote: atalef
              And who will pay? Is Syria really

              Russia will take "copyright".
              In the case of the overthrow of Assad, the situation will be ten orders of magnitude worse.
              Quote: atalef
              Well, think ? Who visited GDP before Assad?

              But I did not remember ....
              I'm sick... fellow

              1. -6
                23 October 2015 11: 09
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                I will not call the moves of GDP brilliant

                What at least


                Quote: stalkerwalker
                But I also cannot disagree with his argument, given the other day at Valdai, that it is better to live in someone else's toilet

                Linguistics and nothing more. Sometimes it's better not to interfere in someone else's toilet at all
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Russia will take "copyright".

                Again words, copyrighted by what? Of course you will tell me again about non-existent oil and gas. And who needs it now?
                The conversation is only about one thing - when the investment is paid off - the answer is never.
                Question - why? , the answer is not clear
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                In the case of the overthrow of Assad, the situation will be ten orders of magnitude worse.

                I do not think.
                For Russia, for sure.
                Although, remember what I tell you. Assad will not be in power. This will be arranged beautifully - as the will of the Syrian people.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                But I did not remember ....
                I'm sick...

                Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel - I remind you hi
        5. +3
          23 October 2015 09: 01
          Girkin strategist? Do not make me laugh. The whole history of mankind indicates that all attempts to sit behind the fortress walls were doomed to failure. The main question is always - for what is all this being done by Russia? For the sake of territories, for the sake of natural resources, for the sake of profit? No. As in life, a brave and strong spirit comes to the rescue of someone whom, as happens in life, is beaten by a gang. Or you have to sit, count the numbers (who has how much) and cry in a vest. The truth is on our side. But with whose supply and whose mill Girkin pours water, this is a big question. You can, of course, and recklessly believe him - this is the right of anyone. Only the speed with which he disappeared from the Donbass speaks far from in his favor.
        6. +3
          23 October 2015 09: 02
          Quote: atalef
          This is so in detail not focusing on the rest, which is not right?
          I honestly don't see anything

          Almost everything is wrong. Here, Russia can be compared with a chess player who has at least 2 times less pieces than his opponents, but our president is surprisingly good at this amount. Therefore, one should not scream once again about pronated all-polymers.
          1. +1
            23 October 2015 09: 33
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Almost everything is wrong.

            Come on points
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Here Russia can be compared with a chess player who has at least 2 times less pieces than his opponents,

            And? - Does this automatically guarantee victory?
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            but our president is surprisingly good at this amount.

            Are there any real successes?
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Therefore, one should not scream once again about pronated all-polymers.

            decode the previous paragraphs, and then draw a conclusion. Suddenly I'm wrong? wink
          2. +4
            23 October 2015 09: 36
            "Tearing all obstacles in its path and breaking through reinforced concrete ceilings, Putin's rating has already become the subject of irony: another 4 percent, says the Internet, - and he will equal Ceausescu's rating. Before the execution." This quote....
        7. +3
          23 October 2015 09: 21
          I understand everything clearly. Plans for the destruction of Syria foiled, Israel in mourning. Cry, atalef, cry. But I’m not going to.
          1. -2
            23 October 2015 09: 35
            Quote: Angro Magno
            , Israel in mourning. Cry, atalef, cry.

            Unlike you, I’m a realist and ... for now, just smiling
            Quote: Angro Magno
            But I’m not going to.

            Yes, and not necessary. hi
        8. +4
          23 October 2015 09: 26
          "... Time to help Assad is lost!" as the initiative was missed and the success after the Crimea was not fixed.
          For the first time I agree with you 100%, atalef! Sorry, even yourself, is unpleasant. But fact is fact.
          The most important - TIME FACTOR - has been missed. The adversary took hold, took the initiative and counterattacked.
          "A good spoon for dinner" - as they say.
        9. 0
          23 October 2015 10: 19
          Gentlemen this year, the United States made a major breakthrough in reducing public debt. So, there they are talking about IG
        10. +3
          23 October 2015 10: 54
          Yes, the majority of HEs are not familiar with the concepts: own opinion, analytical thinking, cause-effect relationships, etc. No offense, comrades - just look at your comments.
          1. +3
            23 October 2015 11: 25
            No offense, comrades - just look at your comments

            We look at both ours and yours. tongue
        11. +5
          23 October 2015 12: 32
          What a foolish Jew =)
          1 The purpose of the operation, assistance to the Assad ground grouping, the consolidation of our bases on the coast, the desert territory is unnecessary for us, let the Americans take it.
          2 Novorossia is a delirium of the Jew, the goal was different and achieved, a frozen conflict preventing Ukraine from joining NATO
          3 Almost no expenses, correspond to the costs of the exercises.
          4 In general, there is a lot of laziness to paint, on such a tough and stupid nonsense, we will leave tidbits of Syria for ourselves, we don’t need the desert, we didn’t go in before, because the mules with Assad thought they could do it and were against our bases. As a result, everything will be ruined , Iran will sell oil, buy our weapons for money from oil, and gradually begin to make bobos to Israel =)
        12. -4
          23 October 2015 12: 45
          Quote: atalef
          But in general, what is he wrong with the wrong thing?
          Has anyone generally identified salt from this interview?
          Shooters

          It is simply pleasant for people to listen to victorious reports on TV about how "the barmaley flew to the ground, under the pressure of steel and fire" without bothering their heads with simple questions.
        13. +3
          23 October 2015 15: 26
          Quote: atalef
          The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)

          And why did you decide that the group (albeit aviation) will not undergo further changes, let’s say so?
          Quote: atalef
          The war in Syria is turning PR into a sacred war, with Novorossia finally merging

          The war against terrorists by PR around the world has been turned into a "sacred" one, as for Novorossia - there is still peace there (pah-pah do not jinx it), and even the Ukrainians for the most part observe it, so Novorossia is clearly not merged, but "frozen "like Pridnestrovie.
          Quote: atalef
          Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable

          And how enormous are the costs of operating 30 aircraft that drop old Soviet bombs from warehouses (natural disposal), supplies and fuel to Syria are cheaper to deliver than to the same Far East of Russia itself.
          Quote: atalef
          Assad has no prospects, and in the best case, it is a question of consolidation in the Alavite regions

          No one says that Assad should remain AFTER, ours say that he is legitimate NOW, that is, we will finish his bearded man. and then we will vote, for whom they vote - that will be.
          Quote: atalef
          The failure in Syria is the largest geraldic defeat and therefore

          Failure in Syria will lead to victory only for Islamic radicals, and this will be a geopolitical defeat for everyone, for the United States as well, because everyone will see that there are no “moderate” ones.
          Quote: atalef
          Russia is not brigit ISIS

          The old mantra of our "partners" - as they say where is your proof? Did you stand nearby and see whom Russia is bombing?
          Quote: atalef
          Transnistria is forgotten, and Donbass is drained methodically

          Pridnestrovie is still holding onto something, and the Donbass has been merged for a year now, as a result of past discharges became Debaltseve, the emergence of a well-organized army in the republics, in principle, you can continue no further ...
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            23 October 2015 16: 27
            Quote: Albert1988
            And why did you decide that the group (albeit aviation) will not undergo further changes, let’s say so?

            certainly undergo.
            Quote: Albert1988
            The war against terrorists by PR around the world has been turned into a "sacred" one, as for Novorossia - there is still peace there (pah-pah do not jinx it), and even the Ukrainians for the most part observe it, so Novorossia is clearly not merged, but "frozen "like Pridnestrovie.

            A good prospect for Novorossia, 25 years old (as in Transnistria, no passport, nothing under the control of organized crime groups.
            So what were you fighting for? Remember, Ukraine is not allowed to enter the EU? Or Russian to save?
            Quote: Albert1988
            And how enormous are the costs of operating 30 aircraft that drop old Soviet bombs from warehouses (natural disposal), supplies and fuel to Syria are cheaper to deliver than to the same Far East of Russia itself.

            All 4 years, everything that they fight in Syria is paid by Russia.
            Quote: Albert1988
            No one says that Assad should remain AFTER, ours say that he is legitimate NOW, that is, we will finish his bearded man. and then we will vote, for whom they vote - that will be.

            In a parallel universe. It is interesting, provided that 70% of Syria are Sunnis - for whom they will vote request
            Quote: Albert1988
            Failure in Syria will lead to victory only for Islamic radicals, and this will be a geopolitical defeat for everyone, for the United States as well, because everyone will see that there are no “moderate” ones.

            moderate there have long been NEMA
            Quote: Albert1988
            The old mantra of our "partners" - as they say where is your proof? Did you stand nearby and see whom Russia is bombing?

            Yes, I’m close by and often see Syria and even without binoculars
            1. +3
              23 October 2015 17: 16
              Quote: atalef
              certainly undergo.

              Then your doubts about the availability of a strategic plan are groundless.
              Quote: atalef
              A good prospect for Novorossia, 25 years old (as in Transnistria, no passport, nothing under the control of organized crime groups.

              They already have their passport, but to travel abroad is already quietly distributing Russian passports to everyone who wants it. They are economically connected with Russia anyway, the connection will remain - everything will be normal, breaking the economy of relations with Russia - that would be a complete disaster for Donbass.
              Quote: atalef
              So what were you fighting for? Remember, Ukraine is not allowed to enter the EU? Or Russian to save?

              I allow myself to answer you with a question to the question - are you a realist or who? If a realist, then you yourself can answer this question.
              Quote: atalef
              In a parallel universe. It is interesting, provided that 70% of Syria are Sunnis - for whom they will vote

              That's when the vote takes place - then we will watch.
              Quote: atalef
              All 4 years, everything that they fight in Syria is paid by Russia.

              Proofs, as they say! To the studio! I agree, the Syrians are fighting with Russian / Soviet weapons, but I haven’t seen something there for 4 years all the recent export models, just recently, even the bearded children didn’t show anything — everything is old, Soviet.
              Quote: atalef
              moderate there have long been NEMA

              This only confirms that if they win, everyone will have a "geopolitical defeat".
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, I’m close by and often see Syria and even without binoculars

              And see directly all of Syria? And you see right there who is igil and who is not? I also want such binoculars! And then you yourself said:
              Quote: atalef
              moderate there have long been NEMA

              That is, it turns out that all terrorism and whom to bomb no difference, which means it is logical to assume that Russia bombes in the first place those goals that require strategic need? And doesn’t it seem strange to you that when they say that Russia doesn’t bomb the igles, the United States itself refuses to give us data on the deployment of this very igil? I see this very strange ...
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                24 October 2015 08: 36
                Quote: Albert1988
                Then your doubts about the availability of a strategic plan are groundless.

                she will endure not because of the plan, but due to compelled circumstances
                Quote: Albert1988
                They already have their passport, but to travel abroad is already quietly distributing Russian passports to everyone who wants it.

                and . well yes .
                Quote: Albert1988
                If a realist, then you yourself can answer this question.

                My opinion ? Donbass has nothing to do with the salvation of Russians. It was a plan to tear the belt from Ukraine to Transnistria. Failed, now you have to pull what is and understand what to do with it at all.
                10t Slavs died for what? And so that Ukraine would not enter the EU.
                Quote: Albert1988
                Proofs, as they say! To the studio! I agree, the Syrians are fighting with Russian / Soviet weapons, but I haven’t seen something there for 4 years all the recent export models, just recently, even the bearded children didn’t show anything — everything is old, Soviet.

                If you are attentive and often are in VO, then you would see screenshots of a walker of Russian BDK in Syria. For 20 flights a month, do you think they carry roses and bottled water?
                Quote: Albert1988
                And see directly all of Syria?

                No, but much more than you.
                Quote: Albert1988
                And you see right there who is igil and who is not? I also want such binoculars! And then you yourself said:

                Well, unlike you, we have more info. Moreover, you plunged into this conflict (informationally) well, maybe a year ago, but we follow it from the very beginning, and I remember very well how it started and how it developed

                Quote: Albert1988
                And doesn’t it seem strange to you that when they say that Russia doesn’t bomb the igles, the United States itself refuses to give us data on the deployment of this very igil? I see this very strange ...

                Well, yes, where is the SSA - Russia knows, and where ISIS - no. Do not find it strange? Especially in the media, only ISIS and bomb
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                  24 October 2015 13: 52
                  Quote: atalef
                  she will endure not because of the plan, but due to compelled circumstances

                  So you predict the future too? And then there are different "forced circumstances" - strategic necessity is also a "forced circumstance".
                  Quote: atalef
                  My opinion ?

                  considering that only absolute idealists could believe in the opposite option to the one you outlined ... Although I can correct - Ukraine will not be accepted into the European Union anyway, never ... "- for it is enough to split off any decent piece (like Georgia), the independence of which Ukraine does not recognize, and voila - its membership in NATO cried (Georgia won - it has been accepted there for 7 years and there is no end in sight).
                  Quote: atalef
                  If you are attentive and often are in VO, then you would see screenshots of a walker of Russian BDK in Syria. For 20 flights a month, do you think they carry roses and bottled water?

                  Do you know that such walks have gone only the last half of the year? Before that, there were flights there too, but not so often, and in the first 2 years of the conflict there was no special help at all.
                  Quote: atalef
                  No, but much more than you.

                  Hmm, but all the same, I really don't understand how you see who is igil and who is not, or they are shouting to you - "I am not igil, am I moderate?" And then - I somehow did not notice in your comment suggestions for a drink nabrudershaft)))
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, unlike you, we have more info.

                  Where does the infa come from? If even the Americans, who actively support someone there, cannot name the leaders of these very someone? And given the attitude of Israel to Syria ... As an example, many Ukrainians are also "aware" of what is there in Crimea and in Russia in general))))) And then Russia has been in the information fire for a long time in this conflict, although I admit - actively it was covered with long interruptions, for example, before the Maidan it was lit very tightly, then, of course, there was a break, now it is again in the spotlight))))
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                    24 October 2015 15: 11
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    So you predict the future too? And then there are different "forced circumstances" - a strategic necessity is also a "forced circumstance"

                    of course and they will arise
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Do you know that such walks have gone only the last half of the year?

                    Before
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Hmm, but still, I really don’t understand how you see who igil and who not

                    areas occupied by each group are known
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Where does infa come from? If even the Americans who actively support someone there cannot name the leaders of these same ones?

                    Why call them?
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And then Russia has been in the media for information in this conflict for so long.

                    Okay, tell me how it all started? hi
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                      24 October 2015 16: 08
                      Quote: atalef
                      Before

                      Where then infa? Israeli media? So they wrote that our "shark" entered the Mediterranean Sea, where there are some large landing ships)))
                      Quote: atalef
                      areas occupied by each group are known

                      What sources? How is it generally known that this bearded man is an igil, but that one is an-nusra. but these two - SSA?
                      Quote: atalef
                      Why call them?

                      Ha! Why - if the "moderates" position themselves as the future government, then their leaders should be heard and in plain sight, otherwise they cannot be seen or heard, which arouses natural suspicions ...
                      Quote: atalef
                      Okay, tell me how it all started?

                      Can you say it yourself? How did it all start? Yes, from a simple point - no one really needed Syria, but then either they found gas there and a lot, or Qatar needed to lay a gas pipeline there - it is pointless to guess about the real political background, but anti-government movements and a speech began to be actively financed, one of which is bloody the tyrant Assad allegedly shot. I do not argue - Assad is far from an angel - he is an autocrat, in Syria it was quite possible for some "innocent" poster to go to prison, but the facts are that there was such a "peaceful" protest, and he was so "mercilessly shot" , in general, a typical Maidan.
                      1. -1
                        24 October 2015 16: 38
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Where then infa? Israeli media? So they wrote that our "shark" entered the Mediterranean Sea, where there are some large landing ships)))


                        article for 2013
                        Of course, no country can declare the presence of certain weapons or the concluded contracts for their supply - this is part of the secrets of the state and the armed forces.

                        But I want to say that all contracts concluded with Russia are being implemented. And neither the crisis nor the pressure of the United States, Europe and the Gulf countries prevented their implementation. Russia supplies Syria with what is required for its defense and the protection of its people.

                        Читайте далее: http://izvestia.ru/news/556036#ixzz3pUY5h1C6

                        Israeli media did not write about Shark


                        Quote: Albert1988
                        What sources? How is it generally known that this bearded man is an igil, but that one is an-nusra. but these two - SSA?

                        Come on, look at any card, by the way, the SSA are not bearded - they are secular
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Ha! Why - if the "moderates" position themselves as the future government, then their leaders should be heard and in plain sight, otherwise they cannot be seen or heard, which arouses natural suspicions ...

                        Of course they are known, some of them are in Moscow, I’ll find a video now

                        Quote: Albert1988
                        It’s simple - nobody really needed Syria, but then either they found a lot of gas there, or Qatar needed to lay a gas pipeline there - it makes no sense to speculate on the real political background

                        Sorry, but apart from laughter, these words do not cause me.
                        Read about the dams (Turkish on Euphrates), then the impoverishment of the peasants and Assad's economic reforms - and then we'll talk
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        ... I do not argue - Assad is far from an angel - he is an autocrat, in Syria it was quite possible for some "innocent" poster to go to jail, but the facts that there was such a "peaceful" protest,

                        in general, Assad is a typical idiot, not realizing that he is an Alawite, he cannot endlessly spread rot for 70% of the Sunni population. enriching themselves at their expense and not give the people even the slightest hope of change.
                        The year there lasted * Maidan *, quiet, bloodless, protests and no one climbed there.
                        But Assad decided to shoot (of the Sunnis) - the result is 120t of deserters and where did they go?
                        Read more, then you can prove something more reasonably hi
                      2. +1
                        24 October 2015 21: 31
                        Regarding this gentleman in the video: "Assad's regime killed, according to our calculations, about half a million people," with a population of 22 million in Syria ... So, in terms of the level of repression of Joseph Vissarionych, he spat in percentage terms, and then who says this, who is he? Where from? The bandit Zakayev sits in London and broadcasts there how evil Russians killed 250000 Chechens, bandits looters from the Ukronazi Battalions, who do not hide their Nazism, travel to Washington and meet with congressmen there. What do you want - I can come to the States and sing there for some money what a terrible Vova Putin is and how he killed 10 million people here, which I personally saw ...
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                        24 October 2015 22: 20
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Regarding this gentleman in the video: "Assad's regime killed, according to our calculations, about half a million people", with a population of 22 million in Syria ... So, in terms of the level of repression of Joseph Vissarionych, he spat in percentage terms,

                        He means along with the war
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        What do you want - I can come to the States and sing for money there how terrible Vova Putin is and how he killed 10 million people here, which I personally saw ...

                        Well, I don’t know about 500t, but the people there are not measured or measured. One camp of Yarmouk’s palaces is worth it (it is in a suburb of Damascus), our palaces screamed that Assad killed 10 times more Palestinians than Israel.
                        But who will hear them, this is the Arab showdown.
                        Toli case. if the Jews of the Arab are shot, this is genocide.
                2. 0
                  24 October 2015 13: 52
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, yes, where is the SSA - Russia knows, and where ISIS - no

                  This is when Russia said that it did not know where the igil was? Directly like this, one of the officials officially declared: "We absolutely do not know where the igil is!" They asked the amers for our cards with igils because the Americans said - you don't bomb igil, so ours answered - let us bomb the cards, the Americans refused (do they really not know where the igils are either? belay ) I find something really strange! And then - I saw footage from the ground of all these "bearded pregnant children", when they are bombed by ours - everyone has a beard, everyone is talking "Alla Akbar", so what difference does it make to the devil who to bomb if everyone is the same? Is it logical that we should first bomb those targets that are required by strategic necessity?
                  Quote: atalef
                  Especially in the media, only ISIS and bomb

                  And in Russia, for the most part, everyone does not care who is there, and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we are used to looking not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.
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                    24 October 2015 15: 12
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And in Russia, for the most part, everyone does not care who is there, and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we are used to looking not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.

                    ok, wait a month. You will see that the SSA suddenly ceases to be thugs. Do you want to bet?
                    1. 0
                      24 October 2015 15: 31
                      Quote: atalef
                      Quote: Albert1988
                      And in Russia, for the most part, everyone does not care who is there, and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we are used to looking not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.

                      ok, wait a month. You will see that the SSA suddenly ceases to be thugs. Do you want to bet?

                      It is a pity that they did not argue, I gave a month, and not even an hour passed.
                      Russian aviation is ready to bomb targets indicated by the moderate Syrian opposition, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on 24 October in an interview with Russia-1 TV channel.

                      According to the Russian Foreign Minister, the main goal of Moscow is not to protect President Bashar al-Assad, but to protect the interests of all Syria, and for this it is necessary to normalize the situation in the country and not allow terrorist groups to seize power.

                      Sergey Lavrov noted that the successful actions of government forces should provide the necessary conditions for the resumption of the political process of resolving the crisis and allow for parliamentary and presidential elections.

                      The head of the Russian foreign policy department added that Moscow is ready for close cooperation with Washington in Syria, as well as for contacts with the moderate opposition. He lamented that the United States refuses to transmit data on the location of the positions of oppositionists who are not members of the extremist groups such as the Islamic State or Jabhat al-Nusra

                      Something like that hi
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                        24 October 2015 16: 12
                        Quote: atalef
                        It is a pity that they did not argue, I gave a month, and not even an hour passed.

                        And what in this contradicts my statements? Ours, as always, check all sorts of SSA and others for "lice" - they say if you are really so good and moderate, then coordinate your actions with us (which means stop fighting with Assad, at least temporarily), if not, do not blame ...
                        If they answer something like: "Get out" Rus-occupiers "or we will arrange a second Afghanistan for you" (as by the way, one alleged leader of this supposedly SSA tried to say, in ridiculously broken Russian - apparently he was hiding excellent English lol ) - it will immediately become clear who is who.
                        Something like this, like that, dear Atalef hi soldier hi
                      2. 0
                        24 October 2015 16: 24
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        And what contradicts my statements in this

                        I remind
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        And in Russia, for the most part, everyone does not care who is there, and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we are used to looking not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.

                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Ours, as always, check all sorts of SSA and others for "lice" - they say if you really are such good and moderate

                        You know, I certainly understand why not make a good face with a bad game, but
                        I'll remind you (and if you want to find articles by tags)
                        1. Russia argued that the SSA does not exist and all those fighting against Assad are illegal
                        2. moderate opposition does not exist
                        At the same time, they were bombed (of course, exclusively on a tip from the Syrian General Staff) - only that it turned out that the US first warned that it would put the SSA - stingers (there was an article on VO), then ATGM (the same was an article on VO)
                        and somehow the rhetoric changed, didn’t you notice?
                        (I'm not talking about the fact that the Syrian army has not achieved any success, take my word for it (you may not believe it) - but it is.
                        What happened next?
                        This is evident from the statement of Lavrov.
                        And remember. The FSA (which is also Sunnis) - they will not agree to leave Assad in power - never.
                        Therefore (as I said, I'm sorry) Assad is a dead figure.
                        and if not Assad, then who? That's right - Sunni. With all the consequences. hi
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        If they answer something like: "Get out," Rus-occupiers "or we will arrange a second Afghanistan for you" (as by the way, one alleged leader of this supposedly SSA tried to say, in ridiculously broken Russian - apparently he was hiding excellent English), then it will immediately become clear who is who.

                        Well, suppose it is clear who and for whom, what does it change?
                        Assad troops will be more successful at war? Or how ?
                      3. 0
                        24 October 2015 17: 09
                        Quote: atalef
                        You know, I certainly understand why not make a good face with a bad game, but

                        I wrote that this is a test for "lice" - they say if there are "moderates", they will agree to negotiations, if not, then you can bomb them as we want and no one decides to us, and we should not forget the informational component))))
                        Quote: atalef
                        First, the US warned that it would put SSA - stingers (there was an article on VO), then ATGM (the same was an article on VO)
                        and somehow the rhetoric changed, didn’t you notice?

                        Because it has not changed - they were offered negotiations and cooperation before, but every time there was virtually silence and shouts of "Allahu Akbar" in different tones.
                        As for the stingers, I agree "crocodile" can pinch them, but the rest in flat Syria will not work.
                        Quote: atalef
                        I'm not talking about the fact that the Syrian army has not achieved any success, take my word for it (you may not believe it) - but it is.

                        Again, the proofs - because VO regularly publishes articles about the slow but still offensive of the Syrian army on many fronts, and the fact that they are moving quietly is understandable for so much time almost completely bloodless.
                        Quote: atalef
                        And remember. The FSA (which is also Sunnis) - they will not agree to leave Assad in power - never.
                        Therefore (as I said, I'm sorry) Assad is a dead figure.

                        And I didn’t say that Assad will be saved AFTER, I always rested on the fact that it will be NOW - that is, until the end of hostilities, and then with the right policies, you can put a profitable compromise figure, which can be Sunni, but adequate, and not a bearded monkey who indulges in carnivore.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, suppose it is clear who and for whom, what does it change?
                        Assad troops will be more successful at war? Or how ?

                        Post-SSA (as well as SSA, SSU, SSO, etc.) will be bombed at the same pace (or maybe even denser), so Assad troops will not fight more successfully - bearded pregnant children will fight less successfully, but shave beards and wind up in Turkey in women's clothes more successfully (who is lucky not to get to the guria, of course).

                        In general, the Israelis should simply pray for Russia - because if Assad is blamed by the Islamists, then there will be no difference to Israel who is moderate there. and who isn’t - all this black extremist cancerous tumor will creep further into Palestine, to Gaza - the military has a splash again - people are cutting it with the knife right on the streets, and it’s clearly organized, and what will start, if the Lord doesn’t bring it, the igil will start to stir up your water ...
                      4. 0
                        24 October 2015 17: 23
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        I wrote that this is a test for "lice" - they say if there are "moderate", then they will agree to negotiations, if not, then you can bomb them

                        Come on . I remember a 2-week statement by the Foreign Ministry. for moderate - moderate bombs
                        Russia is beginning to understand where it has climbed, so about the talks (the first message was in the talks between Putin and Shoigu) about 5 days ago. where he said you can talk with the SSA, but now this is the Foreign Ministry turned to the United States and the SSA. about the negotiations
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        as we want and no one decree to us,

                        And what, until today was a decree? Proto someone began to understand the realities
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Because it has not changed - they were offered negotiations and cooperation before, but every time there was virtually silence and shouts of "Allahu Akbar" in different tones.

                        And here, come on without fairy tales. or confirm with a link.
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Again, proofs - because VO regularly publishes articles on the slow but still offensive Syrian army

                        Well yes, they publish - and it's all true
                        wink
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        but the fact that they move quietly is understandable for so much time, almost completely bloodless.

                        No, they are moving slowly in open areas, but what about the cities?
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        And I didn’t say that Assad will survive AFTER, I always rested on the fact that it will be NOW

                        Now is when? There will be no real conversation until the absolutely exact framework is determined - when Assad leaves.
                        While the rhetoric will be - first, let's put things in order. and then, the people of Syria decide, the war will not stop
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        and then, with the right politics, you can put a profitable compromise figure, which may be Sunni, but adequate, and not a bearded monkey, which indulges in carnivore.

                        The fact that there will be Sunni is not even discussed. And the fact that Russia climbed on the side of Assad is unlikely to make this figure pro-Russian
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        , but shaving beards and winding to Turkey in women's clothes more successfully

                        Yes, okay, you still believe in these tales laughing
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                        24 October 2015 21: 18
                        Quote: atalef
                        Russia begins to understand where it climbed

                        Do you think that before that she did not understand? Of course, I am far from enthusiastic about our government and I am laudable that individuals are sitting there ... not the best maral appearance, but we should not consider them clinical idiots and then - Russia has close contacts with Assad throughout the entire conflict, and if Since serious military assistance has begun recently, then all kinds of advisers and instructors have been working there for a long time, so I think that such "ignorance" is unlikely in this situation. And then - what about Russia itself? What is she risking there? By authority - this is how we fight more effectively than the American coalition, so PR is on our side, moreover, in the event of Assad's defeat, it will be possible to excuse himself, blaming everything on our "partners" ... And then - Russia is still far away, but Israel is close what will happen there if the bearded take power - no matter how it happened with the Ukrainians, who are now moaning how good it was under Yanukovych))))
                        And what's more, why did you decide that Russia sets its goal (for this company at least) or the main goal is to keep Assad? Why don't you assume that goals may be different? For example, just to weaken the rebel movement so that it has less weight in the political process after Assad, or, for example, just to run certain types of weapons in combat conditions and train pilots?
                        And in general, about the "fairy tales" - I can tell you a secret - everything that you tell me, and everything that I tell you, and everything that they tell us on TV - these are all in essence just "fairy tales", because real politics is being done on the sidelines, because if a politician says A, this does not mean that he does not think B, the media in each country try to create their own vision of each specific event or process among the population - you have a minus sign, we have a plus sign, but which in reality is hidden from everyone except very few. And I have some idea of ​​what I'm talking about - my father's friend is a diplomat, has a non-epic experience. I worked in our embassies in Austria, Japan and the States, in this kitchen he is like a fish in water, and so he once explained to me how to treat the politics that we see "on TV" and not trust him, I think there is no reason.
                        Why am I arguing with you, dear Atalef? Yes, just to show that you can find counterarguments for any of your arguments, no more, that if you and I see something, this does not mean that it really is, you may be right, or maybe I, although, most likely, both of us are right in some ways, we are mistaken in some ways, only time will tell, and that means to talk now is unproductive, this, by the way, applies to Igor Ivanovich, whom, by the way, I respect very much, and lately his rhetoric is purely as an expression of his opinion.
                      6. 0
                        24 October 2015 21: 34
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Do you think that before that she did not understand?

                        Yes, I think that the risks were not calculated, and indeed Russia does not understand what is happening in the BV, well, of course, we add that the situation in the Donbass played the same catalyst
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Russia has close contacts with Assad throughout the conflict, and if serious military assistance began recently, then all kinds of advisers and instructors have been working there for a long time, so I think that such "ignorance" in this situation is unlikely

                        Still, it is likely that the USSR helped the Arabs throughout all the wars, having advisers there from the battalion and above, nevertheless this did not prevent to lose all the wars outright and lose everything
                        So - the stand on Assad is stupid, even based on the realities of today. Sometimes it’s worth sacrificing the queen and winning the game, Russia is not ready to sacrifice the same pawn
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        By authority - this is how we fight more productively than the Amer coalition, so that PR is on our side, moreover in case of defeat

                        PR where? In Russia ? and how does that help?
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Why don't you assume that goals may be different? For example, just weaken the rebel movement so that it has less weight in the political process after Assad, or, for example, just run certain types of weapons under combat conditions and train pilots

                        Yes, because the SSA is local and Russia has no influence. You do not understand one. Russia got into a conflict initially on the side of the weak Assad-Shavite-Alavites, how can it dictate what, with 50 planes?
                        I would understand introduced a contingent (like the Americans in Iraq or Afghanistan) - and so? Yes, you can’t dictate anything, you are, at best, hostages of the Syrian General Staff and its introductory assets. And Assad’s army - which cannot fight
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        why am I arguing with you, dear Atalef? Yes, just to show that you can find counterarguments on any of your arguments, no more

                        well, truth is born in a dispute
                        Best regards hi
                      7. 0
                        24 October 2015 22: 03
                        Even if everything that you say is completely true, this does not deny the fact that Israel is on the "wrong" side - that Assad is far from a gift, I do not argue, BUT! He is much more sane than all that Caudle that opposes him and in this dark kingdom there are no rays of light ...
                        Remember Libya - there was a bloody terrible Gaddafi - he was overthrown and it became an order of magnitude worse ... There was all of himself so bad and corrupt Yanukovych - he was overthrown and it became many times worse ...
                        Now imagine what will happen after Assad ... And how will this affect the situation in neighboring unstable regions like Gaza or Palestine ...
                        I think that there’s nothing good, so it’s strange that you can’t understand what might well be that Assad simply has no alternative!
                        Just think of it as a possible option ...

                        And then - something the Israeli government was very willing to cooperate with Russia on this issue, albeit very limited.
                      8. 0
                        24 October 2015 22: 16
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Even if everything that you say is completely true, it does not deny the fact that Israel is on the "wrong" side.

                        Remember. Eugene, Israel is always on its side and not on whose other. We are too small for letters to be measured for someone. Assad is an enemy to us, we have a state of war with Syria and not to us, to fly to Syria. Assad will come and ask. offer - think about it.
                        And so? What should we run for Assad?
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Remember Libya - there was a bloody terrible Gaddafi - he was overthrown and it became an order of magnitude worse.

                        Eugene - it doesn’t matter to us that in Libya these are their problems. yours or america. but not ours. and I honestly feel sorry for Gaddafi. there’s nothing the man got into, but we don’t care. from whether Gaddafi is alive or dead with a mop in the ass. our problems with palms are not resolved
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        . Was all of himself so bad and corrupt Yanukovych - he was overthrown and it became many times worse.

                        Israel (if you have noticed) and doesn’t go there - why will you go? See paragraph above
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        I think that there’s nothing good, so it’s strange that you can’t understand what might well be that Assad simply has no alternative!

                        are you okay? Assad no alternative.
                        There is no Assad, forget about him.
                        Let the Syrians understand. in today's situation. only absolutely unflappable can put on Assad, as a leader for the future.
                      9. +1
                        24 October 2015 23: 25
                        Quote: atalef
                        Eugene - it doesn’t matter to us that in Libya these are their problems.

                        Only if your own "Libya" appears next to you ...
                        I know how the Israelis "love" Assad, that of the present, that of his father, but if everything is left to chance, it can only get worse.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Let the Syrians understand

                        Only the result of their disassembly may not please anyone ...
                        But Assad may be dead politically, only he is the only one who represents a secular state in Syria, all the rest are stupid religious fanatics, cutting heads. And I do not urge Israel to harness for Russia, I simply urge to think whether it is logical to wish Assad’s fall now, because if he holds on. it’s only due to the help of the honeycombs of the side, and therefore it will be possible to twirl them as you like, but if the bearded ones fall and come, then that’s all ...
                        Although it seems to me more and more that soon the whole Middle East will turn into one big Syria at such a pace ...
                      10. 0
                        24 October 2015 23: 44
                        [quote = Albert1988] Only if your own "Libya" appears next to you ... [/ quote]
                        Yes, she has already arisen
                        [quote = Albert1988] Assad may be dead politically, only here he is the only one who represents a secular state in Syria, [/ quote]
                        Nothing of the sort, SSA are secular
                        [quote = Albert1988] is it logical to wish for Assad’s fall now - if he holds on. it’s only due to the help of hundreds of parties, and therefore it will be possible to twist them as you like, [/ quote]
                        You can twirl Assad as you like, but how was he going to twirl Syria with 70% of the Sunnis?
                        [quote = Albert1988] Although it seems to me more and more that soon the whole Middle East at this pace will turn into one big Syria. [/ quote]
                        No, the time of color revolutions is over. Egypt has stabilized, the monarchy is the same.
                        Iran in the BV is muddying but not for long. read and think. infa today
                        [quote] Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday, that Russia is ready for deep cooperation with the United States in Syria, as well as for bombing targets in the interests of the "moderate opposition". This happened shortly after the visit of President Bashar Assad to Moscow, whose support for the regime was previously called by the Russian leader Vladimir Putin the main goal of the air forces.
                        Lavrov gave an interview to the Vesti on Saturday program of the Russia-1 channel. The program was aired in the Far East. “We do not want to take into account either the specific interests of Bashar al-Assad alone, or the specific interests of one opposition,” Lavrov said. “We want to take into account the interests of Syria.(my notes. late, after Russia realized that there was no sense from the Syrian army - it began to rush). And for Syria, it is important that there is a peaceful situation, the war ends as soon as possible and that terrorists do not get a chance to seize power in Damascus, or in any other part of Syria. "(Quote from Interfax.)

                        - Lavrov discussed with Kerry a political settlement
                        - SSA rejected Lavrov’s proposal
                        The Russian Foreign Minister also said that, according to Russia, the successes of the Syrian army should lead to the beginning of a political dialogue. Its component, according to Reuters, should be parliamentary and presidential elections.(my notes. in the country where Assad is Alaite and was lying on Shiite bayonets of Iran and Hezbollah, who will be chosen by 7% of the Sunnis?)

                        Moscow is ready to coordinate its actions in Syria with the United States as much as possible and support from the air and moderate opposition in the Arab Republic, the minister also said. “The big mistake is the refusal of the Americans to coordinate their anti-terrorist campaign with us.(my notes - and I wrote that the Americans will not coordinate, they will calmly let Russia get bogged down, and then watch and rub their hands. That is what happened) We are prepared for such coordination as deeply as possible. Moreover, we are ready to include patriotic opposition, including the so-called To support the "free Syrian army" from the air, although we are denied information about where, according to American estimates, the terrorists are, where are the patriotic oppositionists, "RIA Novosti quotes the minister.
                      11. 0
                        24 October 2015 23: 44
                        Extension
                        "The main thing for us is to reach out to people who will authoritatively represent certain armed groups opposing, among other things, terrorism. "(my notes - that is, including?), the minister added. [/ quote]
                        do you want the opposition’s answer?
                        [quote] The head of one of the units of the "Free Syrian Army" said that the group does not need military assistance from Russia. It is reported by Reuters. So the opposition responded to the words of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who said that Moscow was ready to provide air support to the “Free Syrian Army”.
                        "Russia must stop bombing the Free Army before offering support that we did not ask for," said Fares Bayoush. [/ Quote]
                        interesting answer, huh?
                        like going against the assertions that Assad is already winning and all the militants are simply rushing from Syria to all neighboring countries.
                        Best regards hi
                      12. +1
                        25 October 2015 00: 21
                        Assad can be twisted in the sense that you can force him to introduce the Sunnis into the government and then quietly back off, everything is legal and "democratic", and not like in Libya, where Gaddafi was overthrown by force and now it is not at all clear what is going on ...
                        Egypt may have stabilized, but Saudi Hussites cannot be overwhelmed in any way, in Iraq a mess, in Syria, too, the igil is spreading metastasis like cancer ...
                        Quote: atalef
                        like going against the assertions that Assad is already winning and all the militants are simply breaking from Syria to all neighboring countries

                        In general, it's strange where you found such reports - all official reports say that only some positive trends were outlined and some individual field commanders panicked and began to withdraw their own, plus some groups of militants began to flee from Syria. Yes, and about negotiations with "moderates" - this is also a long-standing topic - how many attempts were made to somehow attract them, and the fact that Lavrov is working is so excellent - diplomacy is also not useless thing. The Americans say they let us get in and look - but they themselves didn't fit in? We climbed deeper than ours, and believe me - if nothing comes of it, then what will we lose? Several thousand tons of old Soviet bombs, which in 5 years would have to be disposed of anyway?
                        As for Russia's allegedly bombing of the FSA itself, did the Ukrainian military scream for how long that Russia was at war with them? And then this very FSA rejected all proposals for negotiations even before the bombing, I motivate this by the fact that Assad should be removed, and then negotiations should be held, but then the question remains - if Assad is removed, then what to negotiate about? so think too, is everything all right with this "moderate opposition", because by agreement, they are exactly like the current Ukrainian government (or rather the American government of Ukraine) ...
                        So in any case, everything is much more complicated.
                    2. 0
                      24 October 2015 16: 14
                      Quote: atalef
                      Seesh

                      Strange, you never wrote where you suggested that I have a drink with you at the Brudershaft, but I agreed)))
                      1. -1
                        24 October 2015 17: 25
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Quote: atalef
                        Seesh

                        Strange, you never wrote where you suggested that I have a drink with you at the Brudershaft, but I agreed)))

                        You are probably brand new on the site, I have already written dozens of times. There is no appeal to you in Hebrew. over 25 years used.
                        My appeal to YOU ​​in no way diminishes my respect for you hi
                      2. 0
                        24 October 2015 21: 23
                        Quote: atalef
                        You are probably brand new on the site, I have already written dozens of times. There is no appeal to you in Hebrew. over 25 years used.
                        My appeal to YOU ​​in no way diminishes my respect for you

                        I’ve been on the site for only 2 years so I don’t know, I apologize, which is interesting - my many (now) Israeli relatives did not tell me about such nuances ...
                      3. +1
                        24 October 2015 22: 17
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        I’ve been on the site for only 2 years so I don’t know, I apologize, which is interesting - my many (now) Israeli relatives did not tell me about such nuances ...

                        Ask, you will be surprised. hi
                        Where do relatives live?
                      4. +1
                        24 October 2015 23: 26
                        Quote: atalef
                        Where do relatives live?

                        They live in Tel Aviv - these are my cousins ​​uncles with wives, but here where the relatives from the side of the wives have already forgotten, like someone even in Jerusalem. So how will they come next time (probably in the winter - their children will be taken snow to watch wink ) and ask around)))
                      5. +1
                        24 October 2015 23: 31
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        . So the next time they arrive (probably in the winter - they will take their children snow to watch) and ask around)))

                        hi
        14. +5
          23 October 2015 15: 37
          Quote: atalef
          1. The time to help Assad is lost.
          2. In terms of resources - Syria does not represent anything
          4 Russia is not brmbit ISIS
          3. The collapse of Syria actually happened and to collect it back is neither real
          5. Well and so on note ISIS oil production 30t bar. in the afternoon - so carnations in the coffin of propaganda that ISIS dropped the price of oil
          6. Transnistria is forgotten, and the Donbass is drained methodically

          You are such a powerful analyst - do not tell me when it was necessary to do everything correctly?
          1. I agree that it was missed - but the United States and its friends systematically drive ISIS to Assad, and before that, they all tried to pull NATO into playing war games.
          2. I agree, even marine deposits are so small things.
          3. The collapse would have happened anyway - too much effort has been applied. You can collect - long and tedious, with wide autonomy - it is quite possible to gather in one country.
          4. Who do you think Russia is bombing? where do you get accurate information about some moderate opposition, well armed and even trained?
          5. Igil oil does not affect the state of the oil market, there are purely Saudis, Americans and Iran and an oversupply amid falling industrial production.
          6. Such an interesting drain - our equipment is being transported there, humanitarian assistance, payroll and social programs begin to pay in rubles - why ???
          Is Israel ready for a threat of disconnecting it from the financial markets of Europe and the USA, imposing sanctions - for example, blocking sales of high-tech equipment (your pride), cutting off the tourism sector, banning countries from buying your other products - free all captured Palestinian lands? Do you count money when you equate the houses of terrorists (in your opinion) on foreign territory, or fire at warehouses in Syria.
          1. -3
            23 October 2015 16: 35
            Quote: Corsair
            You are such a powerful analyst - do not tell me when it was necessary to do everything correctly?

            When it was just beginning and Syria was united and there were no bandits there - Russia had to leave Assad and put a Sunni, who was loyal to Russia,
            Quote: Corsair
            I agree, it’s missed - but the United States and its friends systematically drive ISIS to Assad, and before that all NATO tried to draw in to play war games.

            yes, but for some reason Russia climbed
            Quote: Corsair
            I agree, even marine deposits are so small things.

            They are not, there are forecasts. And from HER - to you, to NA - to you --- a huge distance
            Quote: Corsair
            The collapse would have happened anyway - too much effort has been applied. You can collect - long and tedious, with wide autonomy - it is quite possible to gather in one country.

            With broad autonomies under the control of WHO?
            Quote: Corsair
            Who do you think Russia is bombing? where do you get accurate information about some moderate opposition, well armed and even trained?

            Well, we are somehow the same in the subject. SSA and Al Nusra are bombed. (Which are certainly not moderate), but ISIS is the last in this line
            Quote: Corsair
            Igil oil does not affect the state of the oil market, there are purely Saudis, Americans and Iran and an oversupply amid falling industrial production.

            Well, I agree with this, with the exception of one. Iran has not yet begun to sell, sanctions have not yet been lifted, but they will be lifted - still ahead
            Quote: Corsair
            Such an interesting drain - our equipment is being transported there, humanitarian aid, payroll and social programs begin to pay in rubles - why ??

            And beh of this. generally end within a week, but no need to fight.
            Quote: Corsair
            Is Israel ready for a threat of disconnecting it from the financial markets of Europe and the United States, imposing sanctions - for example, blocking sales of high-tech equipment (your pride), cutting off the tourism sector, banning countries from buying your other products - free all captured Palestinian lands?

            100% if there is a threat of such sanctions. trust me, everything will be decided right away.
            Quote: Corsair
            Do you count money when you equate the houses of terrorists (in your opinion) on foreign territory, or fire at warehouses in Syria.

            Well, you have a comparison.
          2. +1
            23 October 2015 23: 09
            Quote: Corsair
            ... when it was necessary to do everything right?

            atalef will not say or will say wrong - he has his own interest. It was right for Russia in the Middle East to be done starting at least with Iraq.
        15. +1
          23 October 2015 18: 53
          Quote: atalef
          1. The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)
          2. The war in Syria, PR turns into a sacred war, while Novorossia finally merges
          3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable


          1. The operation in Syria cannot have a long-term strategy, because it is only one part of the strategic plan. It's like saying that the wheel of a car has the strategic goal of getting from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The wheel itself cannot have a strategic goal.
          2. Syria and Ukraine are parts of a common strategy. It is foolish to consider them in isolation.
          3. The consumption of your energy in the gym is also irrevocable. If we consider training as a closed system. Meanwhile, closed systems in nature practically do not exist.
          1. -1
            23 October 2015 19: 44
            Quote: Arkon
            . The operation in Syria cannot have a long-term strategy, because it is only one part of the strategic plan.

            and this ?????????
            Quote: Arkon
            It's like saying that the wheel of a car has the strategic goal of getting from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The wheel itself cannot have a strategic goal

            it probably I alone do not see this gopher?
            Quote: Arkon
            . Syria and Ukraine are parts of a common strategy. It is foolish to consider them in isolation.

            Let's consider together, what are your conclusions?

            Quote: Arkon
            . Your energy consumption in the gym is also irrevocable. If we consider training as a closed system

            It is returned, you will warm the atmosphere with your body and and because of this you will need to heat the apartment less
            Quote: Arkon
            Meanwhile, closed systems in nature practically do not exist.

            All convolutions are braided, so what's the strategy?
            1. +1
              23 October 2015 20: 23
              Quote: atalef
              All convolutions are braided, so what's the strategy?


              As I understand it, all previous interjections can be ignored, as they do not make sense and concentrate on this? wink

              The fact is that you are saying that there is no strategy. A counterbalance to this statement is the statement that there is a strategy. It is not necessary to disclose it at the same time, just as it is impossible to disclose the statement that there is no strategy.

              Well it is - logical reasoning in your spirit. You usually stop at it.

              However, I will continue and reveal your personal vision of strategy.
              She is very simple. Russia's strategy is to preserve and develop the Russian World.
              And the actions of Russia in Syria, Moldova, Iran, the USA, Germany, etc. etc. strictly fall into this outline. Surprised? smile
              1. -1
                23 October 2015 20: 45
                Quote: Arkon
                The fact is that you are saying that there is no strategy. A counterbalance to this statement is the statement that there is a strategy. It is not necessary to disclose it at the same time, just as it is impossible to disclose the statement that there is no strategy.

                Capacious good
                Quote: Arkon
                However, I will continue and reveal my personal vision of the strategy.
                She is very simple. Russia's strategy is to preserve and develop the Russian World.

                Words words.
                Quote: Arkon
                And the actions of Russia in Syria, Moldova, Iran, the USA, Germany, etc. etc. strictly fall into this outline. Surprised?

                No longer
                1. 0
                  23 October 2015 20: 54
                  Quote: atalef
                  Capacious


                  Thank you. smile

                  I will explain only to be correctly understood.
                  The Russian World is not the world of Russians by nationality. Rather, not only him.
                  These are the principles of the Russian worldview.
                  Which are now being clearly demonstrated and gaining more and more supporters.
                  1. 0
                    23 October 2015 21: 05
                    Quote: Arkon
                    I will explain only to be correctly understood.
                    The Russian World is not the world of Russians by nationality. Rather, not only him.
                    These are the principles of the Russian worldview.

                    Which are .... Continue your thought. otherwise you have a post, some kind of understatement. There seems to be a strategy - but I won’t tell tongue
                    They fall into the canvas ... and again without continuing
                    Quote: Arkon
                    Which are now being clearly demonstrated and gaining more and more supporters.

                    1. 0
                      24 October 2015 11: 09
                      I agree, there is understatement.
                      But just too lazy to write - to formulate for a long time.

                      I thought you were silent, but you ... smile

                      I won’t write about the strategy - it’s not mature enough, but I can formulate the principles of the Russian worldview, in my natural understanding, of course.
                      I'll see how articles are published here ...
            2. +1
              23 October 2015 23: 31
              Quote: atalef
              ...and this ?????????

              I read, I read posts - everything rests on this question. Zadolbalo, however. atalef, you yourself are so interested or is MOSSAD interested in you? The answer lies on the surface. The purpose of the operation in Syria is to curb the expansion of the geopolitical adversary, who uses various tools, such as terrorism. Accept that this is a strategy. I will not decrypt further, you all perfectly understand, only pretend to be.
              1. +1
                24 October 2015 08: 39
                Quote: V. Salama
                . The purpose of the operation in Syria is to curb the expansion of the geopolitical adversary, who uses various tools, such as terrorism.

                good
                And this geopolitical adversary .... Who? ISIS belay
                ISIS is a geopolitical adversary of Russia? Do not exaggerate the role of the crowd of bandits
                Quote: V. Salama
                Accept that this is a strategy

                Yes, I reconciled, only logically as it does not fit. hi
                1. 0
                  24 October 2015 13: 10
                  Quote: atalef
                  And this geopolitical adversary .... Who? ISIS

                  Of course not. ISIS is a tool. To clarify - VI Lenin owns the statement: "an illiterate person is always outside politics as a subject and always in politics as a means." But I am tormented by vague doubts that everything is clear to you anyway. However, anticipating the likely question (who is the enemy?), I will start by justifying the answer to it. You do not like "neighbors who can kick in the face", from your position this is bad. But how do you feel about your neighbors, which have 30-40 percent of the world's resources and make up only 2% of the world's population? About which Napoleon said that "geography is a sentence." I think you have a good, kind attitude, especially with regard to resources. There is truth in the statements of foreign leaders that this is unfair and this injustice must be corrected, anyway these Russians will not be able to use this resource correctly. Why are there foreign ones, we also have homegrown people imbued with the spirit of liberalism - Yegor Gaidar, for example, at the Congress of the Union of Right Forces (2002) said: "Russia, as a state, has no historical right to exist." Big businessmen often speak like Russia should disappear as a source of constant misunderstandings and surprises. In short, the collapse of Russia is beneficial to a number of countries, primarily the United States, to whose tune all European elites are dancing. Japan also wants to grab its piece of the pie. At least 16 countries participating in the 1918 intervention. Since then, they still have the taste of this pie in their mouths. Why, even Israel will have its own gesheft. This will revive the existing economic model of capitalism, remove many contradictions, save the dollar, and, in general, ensure a comfortable existence for many decades. Nothing personal, such is life as they say. We are not talking about the peoples of these countries, they are not enemies, these are the ideas of the "elites" of these countries, as well as the leadership of transnational corporations and the international financial oligarchy, because they are the ones who usurp power in all important decisions. Regarding logic ... The logic is simple: if you want peace, prepare for war. Not ready for war, anyway, oppose in your own interests. get strong or be devoured. Should I explain this to you - how Israel works? However, we have our own nuances in our mentality and our historical situation.
        16. 0
          23 October 2015 19: 21
          atalef

          I absolutely agree with you. What you wrote before the start of the operation in Syria should have looked exactly like that.

          But Strelkov, only suggests.

          Actually, what happens is happening.

          Does it not surprise you why everything is going easy and lightly?
    2. 0
      23 October 2015 06: 54
      I also mentioned this
    3. +15
      23 October 2015 06: 54
      Actually, it is not surprising that Korotchenko was so indignant. The normal reaction of a normal patriot. I hope the readers will not deny this to Igor Yuryevich?


      Do not refuse ROMAN ....
      rise not much higher than the people of the disagreements whom you describe ...

      Any of them does not wish harm to RUSSIA and each of them in his own way loves his HOMELAND.

      I remember how GIRKIN acted at the beginning of the rampage of Nazism in UKRAINE and respect him for that, but STRELKOV has his own vision and opinion and ideas about the world around him and this should be taken calmly .... he is out of work now and can say whatever any civilian person.
      1. +19
        23 October 2015 07: 19
        Chubais, Gozman and other Nemtsovs also love Russia. With a strange love. Also see patriots.
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 10: 47
          Quote: Irbis
          Chubais, Gozman and other Nemtsovs also love Russia. With a strange love. Also see patriots.

          Look at the root - they do not love Russia, but their homeland. And their homeland is different. Strelkov is a Russian monarchist.
      2. +9
        23 October 2015 07: 28
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Any of them does not wish harm to RUSSIA and each of them in his own way loves his HOMELAND.

        The road to hell is paved with good intentions. This is just about those "good" people like Strelkov who are trying to do their own thing and, inspired by pseudo-patriotism, harm their homeland.
      3. +7
        23 October 2015 07: 31
        In any status, you can’t say anything, you need to turn on the brain ...
      4. +3
        23 October 2015 11: 37
        Strelkova was leaked for a very FAST gained popularity ... Give him some resources and time and now HE would command LDNR and at least within the administrative borders of these entities, and very likely the People’s Republic of Lithuania with ODNR, DPNR .. But in this case he would become very one would have to reckon with him as a serious figure, and given his character and integrity this was not necessary for anyone on both sides of the barricades .. In Kiev, they were openly afraid of him, and in Moscow there was no need for a new leader of the Russian world (in case of victory in the Donbass Strelkov he would be). what he is saying now does not really matter, it is very likely that this line of behavior was recommended to him, and maybe not, you can understand him, by and large, betrayed him .. that’s how much he could not restrain himself, but the insult climbed out ..
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 16: 01
          Mozgovoy had integrity, he didn’t run away and was killed, and Girkin is a typical White Guard with a monarchism of the brain ...
    4. +8
      23 October 2015 07: 36
      I agree with you. Especially about the White Guards, a clear proof that White had no chance to win, and thank God. If Stalin had ache in the same way in 1941, we would simply not be there.
      1. +6
        23 October 2015 10: 52
        Quote: dvg79
        White didn’t have a chance to win, and thank God. If Stalin had ached in 1941, we would have simply been gone.

        If it weren’t for Stalin, who radically turned from the original path of the Reds, I think Russia would no longer exist. hi
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 15: 58
          Khrushchev radically turned back, and soon the USSR = Russia did not ... But the fact that Stalin turned out to be a kind person (too much) does not mean that he ceased to be a true communist.
    5. +2
      23 October 2015 08: 43
      put an eternal ban politics of the weak
    6. +4
      23 October 2015 10: 32
      Quote: Vladimir
      . Especially after the Girkin-Starikov debate

      After them I "saw" Starikov.
    7. +6
      23 October 2015 10: 49
      Starikov is a demagogue. And his debate with Strelkov is a vivid example of this.
  3. +10
    23 October 2015 06: 39
    Apparently from Strelkov, they decided to make a "new Bonaparte", but Strelkov, was led .. It's a pity ..
  4. +2
    23 October 2015 06: 40
    Author Roman Skomorokhov


    "True, it's hard to call Roy TV a TV channel,"
    I agree.
    He will never be given the status of the media.
    After all, it obliges a lot.
    It will be necessary to say the same, only that which you are unobtrusively advised.
    And so you can say what you think.
    1. +23
      23 October 2015 06: 48
      Quote: Babr
      He will never be given the status of the media.
      After all, it obliges a lot.
      It will be necessary to say the same, only that which you are unobtrusively advised.

      Our site has media status, so what? Someone can’t talk about what he thinks? (I don’t mean trolls from abroad)
      It’s just that Mr. Girkin should say that it’s contrary, otherwise no one will even remember him, but he wants to eat.
      1. +1
        23 October 2015 07: 17
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Our site has media status, so what? Someone can not talk about what he thinks? (

        Romanov !!! How could you think that I can say something bad about the fairest, most unbeatable, the most ..... the most .. (no words) site in the world !!!!
        Where everyone says, only what they think. And for this they will not be anything. True, they can declare a troll. But it is, production costs.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s just that Mr. Girkin should say that it’s contrary, otherwise no one will even remember him, but he wants to eat.

        Without a doubt. Such people are not independent. There entrance, rupe. Exit two.
        Or forward feet.
        But for now, he says what I want to hear.
        1. +11
          23 October 2015 07: 45
          Quote: Babr
          Where everyone says, only what they think. And for this they will not be anything.

          Not ham, not swearing and nothing will happen.
          Quote: Babr
          True, they can declare a troll.

          It can, if you live over a hill and yell that the power in Russia is bad.
          Quote: Babr
          But for now, he says what I want to hear.

          He has such a job and he will find his own contingent. If you knew more about him, you would have a different opinion.
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            1. +6
              23 October 2015 08: 02
              Quote: Babr
              Is that allowed?
              In the same subject.

              Here again, expose the mat, not just delete koment, also for a day in the ban fly away.
              Valera, did you decide to have fun?
              There is the same video on the network without a mat, but you chose a specialist with a mat.
              1. 0
                23 October 2015 08: 08
                request
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                There is the same video on the network without a mat, but you chose a specialist with a mat

                Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.
                1. +7
                  23 October 2015 08: 15
                  Quote: Babr
                  Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.

                  Our site is the media, come from this request
                  1. 0
                    23 October 2015 08: 22
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Our site is the media, come from this

                    ......... soldier .......
                2. +4
                  23 October 2015 08: 17
                  Quote: Babr
                  Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.

                  I remember in '86 I was at a non-alcoholic wedding - there they were swearing, so swearing laughing
                  1. +4
                    23 October 2015 08: 35
                    Quote: atalef
                    I remember in '86 I was at a non-alcoholic wedding - there they were swearing, so swearing

                    Relatives of the bride and groom filled their faces?
                    1. +4
                      23 October 2015 08: 45
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Relatives of the bride and groom filled their faces?

                      Well, what a wedding without a fight?
                  2. +5
                    23 October 2015 09: 43
                    Quote: atalef
                    Quote: Babr
                    Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.

                    I remember in '86 I was at a non-alcoholic wedding - there they were swearing, so swearing laughing

                    I was at several - "Stark" and brandy from tea cups under the cake (however, there was sausage on the tables) - quite nothing! drinks
                    And cursing no more than usual ... request
                    hi
        2. +3
          23 October 2015 11: 29
          Quote: Babr
          But for now, he says what I want to hear.

          This is precisely the most dangerous thing - when a person says not what they really are, but what others want to hear ...
          This should be treated as critically as possible ...

          Although I personally think that Igor Ivanovich is just a pessimist (like Bulychevsky Zeleny) - he always sees everything in a negative light, regardless of the real situation. By the way, this was evident even when he was what is called "in the field".
      2. -3
        23 October 2015 07: 53
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Someone can not talk about what he thinks?
        That is exactly so, if a person speaks constructively and objectively about the foreign policy of the government and at the same time his position diverges from the official, then his account is sent to the eternal ban.
        1. +9
          23 October 2015 07: 59
          Quote: Lead
          That is exactly so, if a person speaks constructively and objectively about the foreign policy of the government and at the same time his position diverges from the official, then his account is sent to the eternal ban.

          What is the truth? A lot of comments on the site with a lot of criticism and Medvedev and Putin, something that does not banyat. Do not know why?
          1. -3
            23 October 2015 08: 23
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            A lot of comments on the site with a lot of criticism and Medvedev and Putin, something is not banned
            You could give an example of criticism of foreign policy, otherwise your statement is perceived as idle talk.
            1. +3
              23 October 2015 11: 16
              Quote: Lead
              You could give an example of criticism of foreign policy, otherwise your statement is perceived as idle talk.

              Atalef in front of you with a bunch of criticism.
              1. -3
                23 October 2015 12: 11
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Atalef in front of you with a bunch of criticism.
                I re-read Atalef’s posts, there are words in support of Strelkov and that’s all. For Strelkov’s support they really don’t give a ban. They give a ban for upholding a position that contradicts the official position of the government.
      3. -1
        23 October 2015 08: 16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s just that Mr. Girkin should say that it’s contrary, otherwise no one will remember him

        This is certainly true, but this does not mean at all that he is wrong. hi
    2. -4
      23 October 2015 08: 15
      Quote: Babr
      True, it is difficult to call "Roy TV" a TV channel,

      Hello Victor hi
      It doesn’t matter whether it is a TV channel or not (although in the case of Russia, a TV channel is 100% dependent) the absence of this * rank * - gives at least some opportunity to say what you think, and not in the party line

      Quote: Babr
      And so you can say what you think

      Here I am about that.
      Nothing that Strelkov said (no matter how I belonged to him) in the part of Syria - I have no doubt
      His and El-Murida's analysis of the state, position and prospects - corresponds to my conclusions and vision of the situation.
      In New Russia - I do not know, there are people more in the subject.
      1. -2
        23 October 2015 08: 32
        Quote: atalef
        Hello Victor

        Hello Alexander.

        Quote: atalef
        Nothing that Strelkov said (no matter how I belonged to him) in the part of Syria - I have no doubt

        Me too.
        Quote: atalef
        In New Russia - I do not know, there are people more in the subject

        Here you are a little modest.
        This is "sick" for you lol theme.
        1. -1
          23 October 2015 08: 48
          Quote: Babr
          Here you are a little modest.
          This is a "sore" topic for you.

          Not so much that I would know her better than the Syrian, but agree that what I wrote a year ago - well, it somehow comes true.
          not all, well, so 85-90%.
          By the way, DO NOT REMEMBER THAT I SAID ABOUT THE PENSION AGE ABOUT YEAR 1.5?
          Although this is more related to another branch hi
          1. 0
            23 October 2015 09: 05
            Quote: atalef
            atalef

            Alexander, I understand why you wrote down excerpts from the conversation in such detail.
            I read the meaning of the above, so I agree with you.
            The other will only look at your flag and the reputation you have earned.
            And do not perceive it.
            This is called structureless management.
            1. 0
              23 October 2015 09: 38
              Quote: Babr
              Alexander, I understand why you wrote down excerpts from the conversation in such detail.
              I read the meaning of the above, so I agree with you.

              Realism - Victor, Realism
              Quote: Babr
              The other will only look at your flag

              Well, some just eat in the head
              Quote: Babr
              for the reputation you have earned.

              Yes, to be a captain with more than 20 tons of comments - you need to be able to wink
              Quote: Babr
              This is called structureless management.

              Vitya, this suggests that Baikonur, Vatniki and Mikhan are much more popular and nothing more.
              1. 0
                23 October 2015 09: 51
                Not Sanya. I understand that you and the author are in the same harness.
                Well, it's like two investigators, one angry and the other kind.
                And the result will be there. A round table with these speakers is dishonored.
                As required.
                Listen, I give you a plus, and someone, while I write, has time to vpendyurit you a minus. and not a single comment. Solid "dead souls" belay
                1. +2
                  23 October 2015 12: 38
                  Quote: Babr
                  Listen, I give you a plus, and someone, while I write, has time to vpendyurit you a minus. and not a single comment. Solid "dead souls"

                  So dead smile Alexander has just mentioned some prominent representatives. hi
      2. 0
        23 October 2015 23: 47
        Quote: atalef
        His and El-Murida's analysis of the state, position and prospects - corresponds to my conclusions and vision of the situation.
        This is how the thought should be formulated, Babr, I think it made a reservation, but someone suffered
        Quote: Babr
        But for now, he says what I want to hear.
    3. +2
      23 October 2015 08: 23
      Quote: Babr

      He will never be given the status of the media.
      After all, it obliges a lot.
      It will be necessary to say the same, only that which you are unobtrusively advised.
      And so you can say what you think.

      Why does this status do not oblige Emo-Moscow to anything? Yes, and more than a dozen such media.
      1. 0
        23 October 2015 08: 51
        Quote: KOSMOS59
        Why does this status do not oblige Emo-Moscow to anything? Yes, and more than a dozen such media.

        As I understand.
        There are "obvious" ones, like Echo of Moscow.
        There are "implicit" ones who are indignant at Echo of Moscow.
        And the owner is alone. And they are doing their common cause, to fool the people.
        And the echo of Moscow is a lightning rod. The people let off steam on the "explicit" and the "implicit" continues to do their petty business.
        1. +4
          23 October 2015 09: 19
          Quote: Babr
          As I understand.
          There are "obvious" ones, like Echo of Moscow.
          There are "implicit" ones who are indignant at Echo of Moscow.

          Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom Media
          Are there any other questions ?
          1. -2
            23 October 2015 09: 24
            Quote: atalef
            Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom Media

            You look narrowly. Look wider. tongue
            1. -2
              23 October 2015 09: 39
              Quote: Babr
              Quote: atalef
              Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom Media

              You look narrowly. Look wider. tongue

              Yeah much wider then wassat
              1. +2
                23 October 2015 11: 23
                Quote: atalef
                Yeah much wider then

                Gazprom Media, through its "dad", BELONGS TO THE STATE.
                1. +2
                  23 October 2015 14: 47
                  Gazprom Media, through its "dad", BELONGS TO THE STATE.
                  What kind of state is anti-state what Well, at least why TNT ignores all the holidays and even MAY 9?
              2. 0
                23 October 2015 20: 34
                In general, what is the whole dispute about? Did Russia have options? Putin, both in Syria and Ukraine, is forced to act in extraordinary circumstances, and so far the result is not the worst, given the level of confrontation that has practically no alternative imposed on Russia. And how many alarmist "prophecies" were there during these one and a half years that everything - in two days (two weeks, two months ...) a complete end and legs up. Wait until there is no reason. And why should you worry so much about Russia there in Israel? Pop somewhere on Tel Aviv sites on the topic closer ...
                1. 0
                  23 October 2015 21: 01
                  Indeed, when the furniture maker blocked the purchase of bmp3, bmd4, btrd and other weapons for several years, the urapatrics threw their bonnets up with delight, they say the main smart-main knows. As a result, by the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, the most combat-ready YuVO had 30% of modern weapons. It’s me that the choice is a consequence of the state’s internal policy
                  1. -1
                    23 October 2015 21: 06
                    Quote: onix757
                    So, as a result, by the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, the most combat-ready YuVO had 30% of modern weapons.

                    Did Russia fight in Ukraine?
                    1. +1
                      23 October 2015 21: 20
                      Officially, of course, she did not fight, because "officially" it was necessary to do then what is being done in a hurry now. Although I am sure that our army of 2014 model would have drawn the border along the Dnieper without any problems without meeting any resistance and depriving frostbitten resources. There would be no civil war on the left-bank Ukraine.
  5. +11
    23 October 2015 06: 41
    So Igor Korotchenko saidNo need to croak, Strelkov last year helped the country recover from overseas dependence. At least a little respect for themselves and each other, in contrast to civilized countries, which, like mongrels at a stand, quietly in front of the American financial dynasties.

    A man went through more than one war, he is also alive. And everyone pours on him and pours slops. Do not bother him, let him calm down and continue his useful work in the Donbass.
    1. +11
      23 October 2015 06: 52
      Quote: Novel 11
      No need to croak, Strelkov last year helped the country recover from overseas dependency

      Che true, but how did he help? His media outlets, the media will bury him.
      Quote: Novel 11
      Man has passed more than one war, he is also alive

      Many warriors have passed, and today you, many who have passed the warrior, will put the minuses in this topic.
      Quote: Novel 11
      . Do not bother him, let him calm down and continue his useful work in the Donbass.

      And what is he doing now useful for the Donbass? You can specifically
      1. -9
        23 October 2015 07: 07
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What is he doing now useful for the Donbass? You can specifically

        Dear, he buys a smoked sausage, catches a taxi on the border and delivers to the Aidar and Azovites - greetings from the kurginyan. laughing
        1. +9
          23 October 2015 07: 10
          Quote: Novel 11
          Dear, he buys a smoked sausage, catches a taxi on the border and delivers to the Aidar and Azovites - greetings from the kurginyan.

          Well, it’s clear, specifically, what he does can’t answer. Only blah blah blah
          1. +1
            23 October 2015 07: 49
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, it’s clear, specifically, what he does can’t answer. Only blah blah blah

            Yes, I copy everything from your idols - the Kurghins are eternal, and the heroes come and go .......
            1. +8
              23 October 2015 08: 16
              Quote: Novel 11

              Yes, I’m copying everything from your idols - the Kurghans are eternal,

              Yes, I did not care about Kurginyan, such a yap.
              1. +10
                23 October 2015 08: 25
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Novel 11

                Yes, I’m copying everything from your idols - the Kurghans are eternal,

                Yes, I did not care about Kurginyan, such a yap.

                Hey . Sanya
                And here I agree, Kurginyan absolutely conjunctural yap. Dorenko number 2, only possessed
                I like his cries like
                ANSWER ME YES or NO !!!!!
                , I just want to ask
                Kurginyan, have you stopped drinking in the morning? Tell me yes or no
                1. +4
                  23 October 2015 08: 59
                  Quote: atalef
                  Kurginyan, have you stopped drinking in the morning? Tell me yes or no

                  laughing good yes damn yes wassat
                2. +1
                  23 October 2015 12: 44
                  Quote: atalef
                  Have you stopped drinking in the morning? Tell me yes or no

                  Here is a question !!! I will certainly take it into service! However, how it is twisted - that it is so that commercials are all one Alconaut! good
    2. +11
      23 October 2015 06: 53
      Shooters of a young man in any way. It doesn’t matter what he thinks about the situation in Syria. I also think that in Syria it’s a muddy option — it’s impossible to win there — there are too many multidirectional forces (I already wrote this here, getting massive disapproval) —but I still I think so. And Putin’s words yesterday that Assad was ready to support his opponents.
      Those. in fact, the official drain of the Assad government is not in the Gaddafi format, but in the "legality" format.
      But Girkin did well. And cinema James Bond to grow up to him.
      1. +13
        23 October 2015 07: 00
        Many heroes appear in the wake of battle euphoria. Who, for example, will remember Babai now? And then he was even forgiven "grass". A new stage requires new faces. Actually the very example "from the great to the ridiculous" - Napoleon.
        1. +9
          23 October 2015 07: 30
          How many people are knowledgeable about what happened in the Donbas at the beginning. I somehow met few people who still remember with a breath about how it all began. More precisely did not see anyone. The real patriotic wave ended with the assault of the RSA, and then it started ...

          Surprisingly, Strelkov calls Mokhovshchina a successful struggle, while stabilization and the creation of a more or less army with centralized command is called a sink. Somehow it does not turn out.

          Strelkov’s media support was almost like Vladimir Vladimirovich’s. And for a long time it's not a secret who this project is dancing.
        2. +1
          23 October 2015 14: 59
          Who, for example, will remember Babai now? And then he was even forgiven "grass".
          "Yes, what weed? He himself said that he was wanted in the Russian Federation under Article 105 (if I do not confuse the new codec-murder, all the more intentional.
    3. -4
      23 October 2015 07: 24
      Quote: Novel 11
      Novel 11 (3) RU Today, 06: 41 New

      Quote: Novel 11
      Man has gone through more than one war

      But on a more specific basis? About the war in Bosnia, He rubbed it so that let REAL VETERAN-VOLUNTEERS tell better. It is not for me to judge his delirium.
      The war in Chechnya. It seems to be. But as the FSB fought, as the GRU, as the BB, what is the difference again to ask those who were there. I was gone.
      1. +6
        23 October 2015 09: 45
        Quote: Horst78
        But on a more specific basis? About the war in Bosnia, He rubbed it so that let REAL VETERAN-VOLUNTEERS tell better. It is not for me to judge his delirium.
        More details about the veterans? There were not so many of them, and Strelkov fought in a highly respected volunteer detachment - "Tsar's Wolves". What did he rub there that confuses you?
        1. -4
          23 October 2015 13: 03
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn RU Today, 09: 45 ↑

          Quote: Horst78
          But on a more specific basis? About the war in Bosnia, He rubbed it so that let REAL VETERAN-VOLUNTEERS tell better. It is not for me to judge his delirium.
          More details about the veterans? There were not so many of them, and Strelkov fought in a highly respected volunteer detachment - "Tsar's Wolves". What did he rub there that confuses you?

          Fighting and numbering (serving in the rear) are different things. I don’t remember at the expense of the statement (I need to raise my comments on VO), but something about where whose territories were (stupidly geographical errors in the statements) and it seemed that I fought around the globe.
      2. +4
        23 October 2015 14: 49
        RDO-2 (Second Russian Volunteer Detachment), nicknamed “Tsar's Wolves” due to the monarchist convictions of its participants, was created on November 1, 1992 in Visegrad. Alexander Mukharev became its commander, and Igor Girkin (“Strelkov”) became its deputy commander (both had previously “worked” on the Transnistria).
        There are photos and descriptions, it’s not difficult to find.
        Read O. Valetsky, a participant in all episodes of the Yugoslav war. It describes events very interestingly, professionally. Now in the same Bosnia, it is engaged in humanitarian mine clearance at PMCs.
        And in the Chechen Republic, each power agency worked in accordance with its mission. Everyone had to shoot. Everyone gained experience and practice. No one personally knew whether he would return from the war zone and what could happen. Recently, only the VoVans of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB work in the TFR. As it should be.
        I know the situation in the Balkans and the Caucasus personally, so there is no reason not to believe it.
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 19: 41
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Read O. Valetsky, a participant in all episodes of the Yugoslav war. It describes events very interestingly, professionally.

          I would also add Polikarpov "Sacrifice. Where does the guy get Serbian sadness?" http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/JUGOSLAVIA/serbia.txt
          It describes in detail how, including Strelkov, fought in Bosnia (Igor the Monarchist) in the corresponding chapter about the tsar’s wolves
    4. +4
      23 October 2015 07: 41
      However, many are better prepared to see IV Girkin (Strelkov) in the country's leadership (he deserved it by his deeds!) Than those "Kremlin" people and their entourage who are on the wave of the events of 1991-93. seized the power, or the party of bureaucrats - "United Russia".
      A population has a short memory when there is foreign policy success, somehow all the negativity goes to another plane. And the preparation of the people for the final privatization of the end of 2012-beginning of 2013. at the suggestion of the prime minister, with the support of the President. Do not remember? A personnel policy, and impunity and permissiveness?
      The essence of Strelkov's train of thought is that the authorities are trying harder to maintain and establish their status quo, and other "concerns" are concomitant.
      But weren’t the active actions of Strelkov set in motion and forced the national idea of ​​the Russian world?
      And the "Kremlin contents", as usual, from mediocrity (it’s mediocre and incompetent, and most importantly - short-sighted) - “if you cannot control - take the lead!”.
      How did it all begin ?!
      1. 0
        23 October 2015 09: 06
        Girkin once said that F.E.Dzerzhinsky is an executioner of the Russian people.
        After that, Girkin is not interesting to me.
        1. +3
          23 October 2015 11: 28
          Quote: Aurum
          F.E.Dzerzhinsky is an executioner of the Russian people.

          I agree with him. And I think if he lived to see 37, you know. Do you have a different opinion?
          1. -2
            23 October 2015 11: 56
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 (3) RU Today, 11: 28 ↑ New

            Quote: Aurum
            F.E.Dzerzhinsky is an executioner of the Russian people.

            I agree with him. And I think if he lived to see 37, you know. Do you have a different opinion?

            F.E. Dzerzhinsky lived to 1937.? belay
            1. +3
              23 October 2015 12: 13
              Quote: Horst78
              F.E. Dzerzhinsky lived to 1937.?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              if he lived to the 37th
              1. -1
                23 October 2015 13: 14
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                if he lived to the 37th

                It would be better to live. And so it stood until the 90s. request
                1. +2
                  23 October 2015 13: 26
                  Quote: Babr
                  It would be better to live. And so it stood until the 90s.

                  He still brought benefits, but only dead. Dead heroes are more important than living. Che Guevara as an example. If he hadn’t gone to Bolivia to bring out a swatch, Fidel would have definitely repressed him. laughing
                  1. +2
                    23 October 2015 13: 38
                    I think the same with Strelkov. Dead heroes are more important than living.
                    But he jumped off. Therefore, it became objectionable.
          2. +1
            23 October 2015 23: 58
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you have a different opinion?

            Incidentally, I have a different opinion and, I'm Russian. And in the year 37, the history of his country should not be studied according to White emigre propaganda and not according to Solzhenitsyn, however, who lied and did not hide it.
          3. 0
            23 October 2015 23: 58
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you have a different opinion?

            Incidentally, I have a different opinion and, I'm Russian. And in the year 37, the history of his country should not be studied according to White emigre propaganda and not according to Solzhenitsyn, however, who lied and did not hide it.
        2. +2
          23 October 2015 15: 09
          yes, another.
          I think Dzerzhinsky was an executioner of political prostitutes, boorish men, thieves and other Trotskyist trash, but not the Russian people. And if he lived to be 37 years old, I think there would be neither Yezhovs nor Berries
  6. +7
    23 October 2015 06: 43
    It’s just that Kurginyan didn’t make his revelations very timely, which is why he fell into the stream of slops. But he saw in Strelkov (I won’t talk about the traitor), at least the self-PR man was practically the first. And Nesmiyan showed his lack of detail even in the summer of 2014, when the very first began to yell about the discharge of New Russia. YuraSuma is gradually appearing in the same company, however sad it may be.
    1. +10
      23 October 2015 08: 03
      Quote: inkass_98
      Nesmiyan showed his complexity even in the summer of 2014,

      Nesmiyan showed his curiosity back in 2011, when he first supported Gaddafi in every possible way, and then - click - and "the bloody tyrant must leave." He is a media prostitute.
    2. +2
      23 October 2015 08: 16
      Quote: inkass_98
      YuraSuma is gradually appearing in the same company, however sad it may be.

      Arguing!
    3. +7
      23 October 2015 09: 49
      Quote: inkass_98
      It’s just that Kurginyan didn’t make his disclosures very timely, which is why he fell into the stream of slops. But he saw in Strelkov (I won’t talk about the traitor), at least the self-PR man was practically the first.
      Kurginyan said that it was impossible to leave Slavyansk. Do you agree with that? this was his main exposure, sitting on a green sofa with Kalash. Strelkov at that time was not up to samopiar ...
  7. +8
    23 October 2015 06: 44
    "Igor, who is Korotchenko, really plows" ... he is, of course, a patriot ... and yet Girkin's machines are more weighty in 2014. Strelkov is an active (!) Patriot (PMR, Serbia, Checheya, Donbass) and a hero.
    1. +7
      23 October 2015 06: 53
      Quote: samarin1969
      ..he is certainly a patriot ... and yet, the machines in Girkin’s 2014 are more significant

      Let him say who put these machines to him. He will surprise the people, so to speak. lol
      1. 0
        23 October 2015 08: 35
        You wanted to say: I was forced to bet, otherwise the loss of reputation and control over the situation?
      2. +3
        23 October 2015 18: 19
        It’s definitely not Kurginyan who was tearing over what Strelkov had EVERYTHING, he (Kurginyan) knows for sure that everything was there, why did he leave Slavyansk when there was everything - in?
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      4. -1
        23 October 2015 18: 34
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: samarin1969
        ..he is certainly a patriot ... and yet, the machines in Girkin’s 2014 are more significant

        Let him say who put these machines to him. He will surprise the people, so to speak. lol

        It seems to me that Alexander will find it hard for some to explain where Girkin got his machines from! They pointing to black will say white!
    2. +9
      23 October 2015 06: 57
      Quote: samarin1969
      (PMR, Serbia, Chechea, Donbass) and a hero.

      And I visited Crimea in time. Unlike Korotchenko and Kurginnian, at least he was visible, but they weren’t ...... and they didn’t sit in the trenches near Slavyansk when almost the entire army of dill besieged him. And most importantly, in which case I have no doubt that Strelkov will get into operation, but these 2 balabol will be somewhere far behind.
      1. +9
        23 October 2015 07: 13
        Quote: Novel 11
        And I visited Crimea in time.

        Yes, and if you know the specifics, then you would not remember the Crimea. Since in the Crimea he managed it, I really do not want to.
        Quote: Novel 11
        when almost the entire army of dill besieged him

        It is strange if the whole dill army was near Slavyansk, which then attacked Donetsk and Lugansk.
        I remember well the reports of those times.
        Quote: Novel 11
        . And most importantly, in which case I have no doubt that Strelkov will get into operation,

        If he doesn’t get up, he will come to Donetsk and he will be shot for “exploits” and for Slavyansk.
        1. +2
          23 October 2015 07: 34
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If he doesn’t get up, he will come to Donetsk and he will be shot for “exploits” and for Slavyansk.

          Not cut)

          For Slavyansk shoot?
          Wait, I'm confused))
          Those. for defending him?

          Maybe then at one time the Brest Fortress, Sevastopol, Stalingrad, etc. didn’t have to be protected? Well, they would have invited some Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and without bloodshed they would have made us perestroika with a drunk conductor laughing
          1. 0
            23 October 2015 07: 41
            Quote: Novel 11
            For Slavyansk shoot?
            Wait, I'm confused))
            Those. for defending him?

            Exactly for Slavyansk and for his "defense", but it seems to me that this is not his most important "feat". In any case, the people's "love" awaits him
          2. +1
            23 October 2015 07: 51
            Quote: Novel 11
            Was he to be shot for Slavyansk?

            And especially for Slavyansk, for that "heroic" exit from Slavyansk. For those whom he left there without warning that he was dumping. He left there with three commandan companies, without warning the people on the front lines. Those who died holding Slavyansk did not know then that Girkin had already dumped.
            Then they made their way on foot as best they could, and their commander Girkin PR in front of the cameras in Donetsk. When everything turned out, and not only for Slavyansk, he got a kick in the ass.
            Here he is, the heroes of Pepsi.
            1. +4
              23 October 2015 18: 26
              Well, you, my dear, would at least ask (find in the archives of the Military Review) how the exit from Slavyansk took place and why someone did not know. Here it was about that.
        2. +7
          23 October 2015 08: 44
          Alexander Romanov! You would be more careful with terms such as "shoot" in the media space geographically linked to the LPNR, because in the same place both Bednov and Mozgovoy were "shot" and further incomprehensible facts.
          Something quickly, somehow, the attitude towards "real" personalities in History begins to change. Is it not customary to judge by facts and results (meaning of events)? Already as the "red talking head in the Kremlin" will say, right?
      2. +1
        23 October 2015 13: 32
        From the very beginning of hostilities in the Donbass, the DPR’s armed forces have been fighting against fascism the “Essence of Time” detachment, formed by activists of the communist movement of the same name.

        https://vk.com/svdonbass
    3. +2
      23 October 2015 07: 37
      Did you mean-acted?
  8. +24
    23 October 2015 06: 48
    With all due respect to the author hi (To Roman Skomorokhov) I would very much like to warn everyone: do not rush, do not chop off the shoulder, do not judge and you will not be judged. That geopolitical "brew", which we have been seething for the last 2 years - what is it for? Who is the author of the recipe? Who is the chef? Who puts the firewood? Who adjusts the ingredients? And who, finally, they will regale, eh? At one time, EBN was the "idol of the electorate" - wherever Petrosyan (no offense to Yevgeny Vaganovich Yes ), and now on his bones only the lazy did not dance ... stop Not good - so, not in a human way. We will observe, we will think, however. Don't like the history of 37-39 years of the USSR? So let's not flog a fever. Suddenly, after 5 years, Roman Skomorokhov, rereading this material, will grimace and think to himself: "Damn it, almost a denunciation turned out ... Well at least no one noticed! .." hi
    1. +1
      23 October 2015 07: 36
      And why so scatter in apologies to the author? I didn't like it either. We are all now witnesses and eyewitnesses of the break in the development of the human race, neither more nor less. For all who are "in the subject", the development of events in the world is a revelation. And Roman is no exception.
    2. +3
      23 October 2015 18: 31
      Yes, he could already read about Mozgovoy - nothing has passed at all (his first sketches, "intermediate" - gum trips, then - a complete drain and sucks, and after death - as if nothing had happened: goodbye, brigade commander), you can stop ... Or - no way already?
  9. +7
    23 October 2015 06: 55
    but for me it’s been so luring from Strelkov lately!
  10. 0
    23 October 2015 06: 56
    Strelkov has long been bored, and Purgenyan has nothing to do with it.
    1. +2
      23 October 2015 07: 26
      Strange ... I wanted to put a plus, and the moderators put down the cons. What would that mean? Free and fligky I support your opinion.
      1. +2
        23 October 2015 07: 52
        Quote: natakor1949
        Strange ... I wanted to put a plus, and the moderators put down the cons. What would that mean?

        This means that at the same time someone put the cons.
      2. +1
        23 October 2015 08: 58
        natakor1949! Same. Moreover, it is stable. Even when I reload the page.
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 09: 23
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          natakor1949! Same. Moreover, it is stable. Even when I reload the page.

          This is a conspiracy of admins wassat Although not, I put you a minus, rolled.
          But it didn’t work for you, because two of them put the pluses laughing
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  11. +2
    23 October 2015 06: 57
    As soon as Strelkov starts to complain, our enemies will be in trouble. I remember "everything disappeared" in the summer of 2014, in the winter of 2015. After that there were "boilers" for dill. This is my opinion and observation. hi
    1. +2
      23 October 2015 07: 18
      Quote: Tumyr
      As soon as Strelkov begins to complain


      Shh! Let's consider this a good omen - the more boilers in the camp of the enemy, the better good
  12. +3
    23 October 2015 07: 11
    Finally it came. And a year ago I was minded by the fans of the "reenactor".
  13. +4
    23 October 2015 07: 14
    Kurginyan and Korotchenko say the right thing .... BUT ... Something not a single one was observed in Novorossia ...
    1. 0
      23 October 2015 07: 27
      Quote: dmi.pris
      dmi.pris (3) SU Today, 07: 14 New

      Kurginyan and Korotchenko say the right thing .... BUT ... Something not a single one was observed in Novorossia ...

      Well, Kurginyan seemed to have been to the warring Donetsk often. And he also had operational information.
      1. +4
        23 October 2015 09: 52
        Quote: Horst78
        Well, Kurginyan seemed to have been to the warring Donetsk often. And he also had operational information.
        Yeah, and I wrote down my messages from the couch — well, a real couch commando, of which there are most. Maybe that's why he has fans here soldier
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 10: 48
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn RU Today, 09: 52 ↑ New

          Quote: Horst78
          Well, Kurginyan seemed to have been to the warring Donetsk often. And he also had operational information.
          Yeah, and I wrote down my messages from the couch - well, a real couch commando, of which there are most. Maybe that's why he has here and fans are soldier

          Do you propose to the Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff, and what is the point of trifling the Supreme himself to take machine guns to the trenches? Do not make me laugh. Everyone must do their job.
    2. +5
      23 October 2015 07: 49
      Fiercely support! Judge by their deeds. P ... that is, to speak - not tossing bags.
      1. +1
        23 October 2015 18: 35
        All bettors + know who you fiercely support? Yes, and so too?
  14. +1
    23 October 2015 07: 24
    Kurginyan and Korotchenko say the right thing .... BUT ... Something not a single one was observed in Novorossia ...

    And you probably go there every weekend?

    Sorry, I believed in shooter to the last
    1. -2
      23 October 2015 07: 34
      Quote: Hammer
      Sorry, I believed in shooter to the last

      don't worry wink no one knows where the end is.

      Sometimes the end is the beginning.
      Well, let's just say (between us girls laughing ) - in his words there is not a small fraction of the truth and an absolutely adequate analysis, of course with a taste of the offended person.
  15. 0
    23 October 2015 07: 33
    The shooters were very popular. This is the great merit of the media. A little ago, they began to trample on him ... also a merit of the media. What can I say .... "and at all the crossroads of the earth, the expressions of their faces are not lost, noble kings are lying ...."
  16. +7
    23 October 2015 07: 38
    When they say that the conflict in Syria has a religious foundation, it means trying to hide the true state of affairs and transform it into a religious conflict so desired by the West.
    ISIS, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda, etc., etc. - are not representatives of Islam, but terrorist
    organizations created by the West to govern the Middle East.
    By eliminating financing and material supply, it is possible to achieve the withdrawal from the political arena of these structures and the deflation of this "bubble" to the level of scattered small gangs, which will be suppressed by ordinary law enforcement structures.
  17. +7
    23 October 2015 07: 39
    Probably, it is not entirely possible and necessary to agree, in the statements of Igor Strelkov, but personally I respect him. He has his own opinion, which he expressed, that this does not make a holiday for some, it does not mean that he does not root for Russia. Igor Strelkov's concern can be understood, even officially admitted that without victory in the ground operation, the bombing in Syria alone will not give anything. How far they have calculated everything correctly, time will tell, but on the border with Crimea, nationalists are escalating the situation, organizing a blockade, which suggests that the topic of Crimea is not closed and we must be prepared for an aggravation of the problem, in addition to Syria. If Strelkov is mistaken, it is only that, perhaps, "blowing on cold water", it is much worse if our authorities are mistaken, if they do not think "to blow on hot milk." Finally, as you can see, Igor Strelkov is a frank person, it is somehow difficult to suspect him of dirty intrigues. Maybe he is not such an experienced speaker as the same Kurginyan, but he really was in the war, risking his life, and not in TV studios, he was promoting himself, in endless discussions.
  18. +3
    23 October 2015 07: 47
    What can I say ... As my battalion commander said "Initiative e ... loves the initiator." A man at one time was not afraid to take the initiative, and it is customary to hang all dogs on such people in Rassia, regardless of the results. lol Wait a minute, when the question of "reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine" comes up seriously, some hunters will generally begin to demand Strelkov's head winked
    1. 0
      23 October 2015 13: 38
      Will reach the court. Now it’s too early to raise this topic.
      1. 0
        24 October 2015 09: 15
        God forbid that ukram is not issued. I feel sorry for him, the man was really let under the hammers.
        Tolstoyans, damn it ... Evil is not enough, but I do not want to swear.
  19. +4
    23 October 2015 07: 48
    Recently, I have been hearing more and more criticism of Girkin. For any reason. One gets the impression that he is being "drowned". Slow! With "interference" ...
    1. +2
      23 October 2015 08: 02
      Quote: maikl50jrij
      Recently, I have been hearing more and more criticism of Girkin. For any reason. One gets the impression that he is being "drowned". Slow! With "interference" ...

      Who the fuck needs him? The peak of the Girkiniad had long been passed, in particular, here, at VO they were choking with snot, they were compared with Zhukov, idolism ruled so that, on his praises, from corporals to generals in a couple of days they knocked out. And, of course, in the best traditions of those who treated him negatively, or at least with restraint, were immediately recorded as "liberals." What can he do in the political field? Flood on talk shows at unknown stations?
      1. +3
        23 October 2015 08: 26
        Who said he was a politician? He was needed as a fighter. "The Moor has done his job, the Moor will be removed!" hi
    2. +4
      23 October 2015 08: 55
      That's right, that's exactly the impression. The Kremlin seized the initiative from Strelkov and his team (because he himself was not ready for anything), when it saw a sharp rise in the popularity of I. Strelkov (the emergence of the national idea of ​​the Russian World, which is extremely dangerous for the "international" Kremlin) and applied the principle "you cannot control - take the lead. " That is why everything is "smooth" and happens, by the method of substitution.
      1. -5
        23 October 2015 09: 22
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        That's right, just such an impression. The Kremlin seized the initiative from Strelkova and the team

        Well, yes, but he came there by himself and PR in all the media at the expense of his resource
        1. -1
          23 October 2015 09: 53
          Well, not the Kremlin, which, if there was, then much later.
          Came with mates, like all volunteers usually do. And he was ready to die.
          1. +3
            23 October 2015 15: 47
            Quote: SibSlavRus
            Came with mates, like all volunteers usually do. And he was ready to die.

            something that he was ready there ..?
            1. +2
              23 October 2015 16: 37
              Quote: Das Boot
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Came with mates, like all volunteers usually do. And he was ready to die.

              something that he was ready there ..?

              well, this is to die, comrades.
              More precisely, he and his comrades have already given away, but they were ready to die. laughing
              1. 0
                23 October 2015 18: 11
                Quote: atalef
                More precisely, he and his comrades have already given away, but they were ready to die.

                calmly, camerade. According to the PR laws of the genre, there will be a continuation of the type "Igor Strelkov was attempted on his life at the exit from the laundry ... A laundress with a Ukrainian passport gives confessions", "The preparation of a terrorist attack by the SBU with the aim of killing Igor Strelkov by throwing expired pork on the shelves of Ashan is revealed ... "
                etc.
                StarO, as the relics of Goebbels ...
                But - a hero.
                1. 0
                  23 October 2015 18: 35
                  Quote: Das Boot
                  A laundress with a Ukrainian passport gives confessions "," The preparation of a terrorist attack by the SBU with the aim of killing Igor Strelkov by throwing expired pork onto the shelves of Ashan is revealed

                  good
        2. +2
          23 October 2015 18: 41
          And in what kind of media it is PR, except the Internet. And I didn’t notice a selfie.
          1. +1
            23 October 2015 19: 27
            Quote: Siberian
            And in what kind of media it is PR, except the Internet.

            well, apologists for information wars include the Internet in the media sphere, probably. The acronym for "media" is so flexible .... Vulnerable ...
  20. 0
    23 October 2015 07: 56
    Strelkov, IMHO, broke the Novorossia project, radicalizing the conflict before the armed BEFORE TIME. As a result, Kharkov remained with the Nazis. I was told about this by the residents of Kharkov, my friends. The situation has fluctuated. But when they started shooting in the Donbass ...
    If Strelkov is not, he understood it. But he cannot accept it. And the character ... So he "wangs", having lost the sense of reality.
    1. +6
      23 October 2015 08: 24
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Strelkov, IMHO, broke the Novorossiya project, radicalizing the conflict before the armed BEFORE TIME.

      Oh really? Or maybe the words "We do not abandon our own" were said earlier, and then the opinion changed?
      The oligarchs merged New Russia, there is already no New Russia to which they aspired. People’s Republic without oligarchs. And about Plotnitsky and say nothing. As for Syria ...
      Vanga also said:
      “Soon the oldest teaching will come into the world. They ask me: “Will this time come soon?” No, not soon. Syria has not fallen yet! Syria will collapse at the feet of the winner, but the winner will not be the same! ”
      When asked when the 3 I World War begins, she answered - “Not soon, Syria has not yet fallen, as soon as Syria falls, - wait for the great war between the West and the East”
      So time will tell who was right.
      1. +3
        23 October 2015 08: 58
        Quote: Egoza
        there is no longer the New Russia to which they were striving. People's Republic without oligarchs

        please leave this campanellaism, Elena. All these worthless declarations about "people's-pre-people's republics" are not worth an egg sniffed by Rabbit. It reminds me of Bidstrup's cartoons.
      2. +1
        24 October 2015 00: 30
        Quote: Egoza
        The oligarchs merged New Russia, there is already no New Russia to which they aspired.

        There is nothing to argue. Not only the lack of timeliness of the necessary decisions played a role, but also the deliberate sabotage of the goals desired by the people.
        Quote: Egoza
        Even Vanga said: ... as soon as Syria falls, wait for the great war between the West and the East ”
        One should not believe the sorcerers, especially since it was forbidden to write down Vanga's prophecies, it is more convenient for further manipulations. The same was with the prophecies of Nostradamus, whose manuscript with a full circulation was burned during a fire in Amsterdam, if I am not mistaken in 1614, and they blackmailed our monarchs and soared the brains of the people. I would believe in the effectiveness of the tabloid press, which at one time, fulfilling the tasks of the special services on behalf of the same Nostradamus, influenced public opinion with the prophecy that the last king on the territory of Hyperborea would be Michael the marked. The goal was to make the people come to terms with the inevitable and thereby deprive them of the ability to resist. I think this is the case with Vanga - who knows what exactly she said, but if the information came out that "after the fall of Syria there is a great war between the West and the East" - there is no doubt that the "world behind the scenes" (that is, the leadership of transnational corporations) is preparing such a dirty trick ...
        1. +1
          24 October 2015 00: 50
          Quote: V. Salama
          Sorcerers should not be trusted, especially since Vanga’s prophecies

          Don't touch wang laughing For many, this is the last, unkillable trump card. laughing further only God's word ..
    2. +1
      23 October 2015 09: 25
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Strelkov, IMHO, broke the Novorossiya project, radicalizing the conflict before the armed BEFORE TIME.

      No, everything was very simple, the point was to develop it further in the direction - Mariupol, Odessa, Nikolaev, Transnistria - failed.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      As a result, Kharkov remained with the Nazis. I was told about this by the residents of Kharkov, my friends.

      No, they just miscalculated - the idea somehow didn’t carry away, or there weren’t enough green people.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . The situation has fluctuated. But when they started shooting in the Donbass ...

      There they started shooting from the second day
      1. +2
        23 October 2015 11: 36
        Quote: atalef
        No, they just miscalculated - the idea somehow didn’t carry away,

        Not an idea, but the mayor of Kharkov, Kernes, he was running around trying to persuade people not to rebel. Knocked down a wave.
        1. +3
          23 October 2015 18: 49
          Chaly (Sevastopol) said in an interview that after the coup, everyone who did not agree (to the territory) called up and agreed to meet at 12.00 in Kharkov to develop a strategy for joint action. "We have arrived, and there is no one to talk to. Everyone has left." Then they realized that the hope was only for oneself. Kharkiv and others failed. self-organizing, most likely, was not as pressed as the Crimeans, and no one thought that there would be shooting. They shouted in the squares - and - to their homes.
  21. -1
    23 October 2015 08: 02
    Article poop, analysts, provocateurs licked from all the cracks, and, if shorter, bastards, Girkin hero and basta and all sorts of Kurkins, these nits are clearly visible in their faces.
    1. 0
      23 October 2015 08: 53
      Quote: Farvil
      Girkin hero and basta

      there are no heroes in civil wars.
      1. +4
        23 October 2015 10: 02
        Do not show ignorance once again!
        There are heroes in any civil war. In any country and at any time. Their names are known around the world. You yourself remember that they taught at the school on the History of Russia (USSR) of the Civil War period, the same USA with its national heroes, Europe, Latin America and further everywhere.
        It is this category of wars, as a rule, that changes the socio-political system or architecture of states.
        But the ruling regimes, by virtue of their desires and capabilities, control the interpretation of events in history. The history of Russia is a vivid example to you when changing the socio-political system and priorities. Accordingly, the interpretation of historical events and their significance. Although even we, with all those social cataclysms, did not reach the level of the pseudo-state of Ukraine. And remember the names of the heroes of the Civil War in Russia on both sides.
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 10: 42
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Do not show ignorance once again!

          "ignorance"?
          Oh well...

          Quote: SibSlavRus
          You yourself remember what was taught at the school on the History of Russia (USSR) of the Civil War


          Dear, I’ve graduated from school thirty years, believe me, apart from school textbooks, I read something, there was more than enough time and material to rethink school sources. I find no heroism in fratricide.
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          remember first and last names heroes Civil war in Russia at both sides.
          Yeah. In this very message there is a certain, as it were mildly, irrationality, or something. First, some heroes, from textbooks. Without fear or reproach. Then times changed, and others joined them, also heroes, but "from the other side." Moreover, the brand of heroes has not been erased from the first. Where is the logic?
          1. +1
            23 October 2015 12: 58
            Are you so well versed in the genesis of civil wars? History of Russia? Composition, forces and means of the parties?
            There are quite specific surnames and positions who brought to bloodshed or contributed to this. Who accumulated contradictions and benefited from this. Who did not have the mind to dissociate themselves from an external factor.
            When one social group parasitizes to another, turns it into a food base and despises its people, usurps power, subjugates power structures and impudes from impunity and permissiveness, this is not fratricide, but restoration of justice and punishment of the enemies of the people.
            The last example is Ukraine. And in the Donbass their heroes.
            As in any country in the world where civil wars were fought, and where the participants in these events (with popular support) carried out socio-political transformations, it is the successes in and after the war that determine the significance of its participants: either heroes or enemies.
            Instead of the logic of the Civil War in Russia, its significance and consequences, it is better to pay attention to its cause-effect relationships and the composition of active forces.
            And on this and on the other hand, Russian people with their beliefs wished their country well-being, and therefore they died the same for their beliefs and ideas. Therefore, History remembers everyone.
            And the Civil War in Russia was wholly and completely provoked and carried out by external forces relying on its agents, from 1905 until February, October 1917. Well, everyone understands what happens to the incompetent authorities.
            They tried to repeat this with us in 1991-1993.
            And heroization, depending on the socio-political regime, is of a conjunctural nature. But truth is always important for Russia, therefore we remember everyone and everything.
            1. +1
              23 October 2015 14: 21
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              The last example is Ukraine. And in the Donbass their heroes.

              Heroes only at the victors.
              The rest go into oblivion.
              1. +3
                23 October 2015 15: 38
                Quote: atalef
                Heroes only at the victors.
                The rest go into oblivion.

                Absolutely. There is such a thing as "victor's justice". Hero status means moral indulgence. Plus the brains pressed by propaganda, voila - without fear and reproach. Now and ever a hero.
              2. +4
                23 October 2015 19: 01
                Shamil, for example, a Caucasian (probably a Chechen), fought against the Russians, but nobility - respect and a worthy enemy, buried with military honors, his family (descendants) live in Moscow, leaving their last name Shamil, there is a Shamil fund, he is not forgotten, even though he was an enemy. This is just one episode. In the same village (at least in Siberia) there are many monuments of both red and white.
            2. 0
              23 October 2015 15: 24
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Are you so well versed in the genesis of civil wars?

              I don’t quite understand the reasons for your arrogance. I suspect that you are also far from an encyclopedist.
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              There are quite specific surnames and posts who brought to the bloodshed
              I did not expand the scope of the question to
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              genesis of civil wars
              and discussions of the mechanisms that trigger them. I only expressed the opinion that the glorification of persons who have succeeded in fratricide seems to me and Diotism. Your lengthy speech as a whole is about something else.
      2. +1
        23 October 2015 10: 12
        There are heroes in any civil war. In any country and at any time. Their names are known around the world. You yourself remember that they taught at the school on the History of Russia (USSR) of the Civil War period, the same USA with its national heroes, Europe, Latin America and further everywhere.
        It is this category of wars, as a rule, that changes the socio-political system or architecture of states.
        But the ruling regimes, by virtue of their desires and capabilities, control the interpretation of events in history. The history of Russia is a vivid example to you when changing the socio-political system and priorities. Accordingly, the interpretation of historical events and their significance. Although even we, with all those social cataclysms, did not reach the level of the pseudo-state of Ukraine. And remember the names of the heroes of the Civil War in Russia on both sides.
        1. -1
          23 October 2015 14: 22
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          There are heroes in any civil war. In any country and at any time. Their names are known around the world. You yourself remember what was taught at the school on the History of Russia (USSR) during the Civil War

          Well, call me the five heroes of the White Guards wink
      3. +3
        23 October 2015 13: 27
        Three ha ha ha. But what about Schors, Chapaev, Frunze, Kotovsky, Tukhachevsky and other comrades? We were always told this at school, and at Sovetskaya School. And in which they told you that they are not?
        1. +2
          23 October 2015 15: 33
          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          Tukhachevsky

          Quote: Tambov Wolf
          at the Sovetskaya school. And in what they said that they are not?

          Is Tukhachevsky a hero?
          OK. But, it seems, you are the only one who considers him, who has dealt with the Poles, but after that having ironed Kronstadt, as a hero.
          However - a pointless conversation.
          1. +1
            23 October 2015 16: 39
            Quote: Das Boot
            OK. But, it seems, you are the only one who considers him, who has dealt with the Poles, but after that having ironed Kronstadt, as a hero.

            Well, you can add, poisoned by gas from the Tambov peasants, and for some reason, by the repressed lamp and father of all the peoples of Stalin.
            1. 0
              23 October 2015 17: 07
              Quote: atalef
              Well, you can still add, poisoning the Tambov peasants with gas

              Well, yes, and, by the way, in Antonov’s liquidation another heroine shone -
              Quote: Tambov Wolf
              Kotovsky

              So
              Quote: Tambov Wolf
              We were always told this at school, and at Sovetskaya School. And in which they told you that they are not?


              there is. All heroes as one.
              1. -4
                23 October 2015 17: 27
                Quote: Das Boot
                there is. All heroes as one.

                Old Man Makhno, what is it
                Nestor Ivanovich Makhno (Ukrainian. Nestor Ivanovich Makhno; October 26 (November 7), 1888, Gulyaypole, Aleksandrovsky uyezd, Ekaterinoslav province, Russian Empire - July 6 (according to other sources - July 25) [1], 1934, Paris, France) - political and military leader, anarchist, organizer and leader of the revolutionary and liberation movement in southern Ukraine during the civil war of 1918-1922. Also known as “Father Makhno” (he signed so some orders). In 1926, in exile, he changed his surname to Mikhnenko [2].

                what was awarded there?
                Joseph Stalin sand Tsaritsyn’s defense is considered to be officially awarded the order number 3

                Rden No. 4 was awarded Nestor Makhno, whose troops took Mariupol on March 27, 1919, dramatically changing the situation at the front in favor of the Red Army. At that time, Makhno's detachments formally became part of the Red Army. These statements were based on the story of the widow of Makhno G. A. Kuzmenko to journalist and writer Semanov

                Heroes laughing
                1. +3
                  23 October 2015 17: 39
                  Quote: atalef
                  Heroes

                  In vain do you mean little Alexander.
                  After all, 90 percent of the so-called Bolshevik commissars were of your blood.
                  From here your sarcasm is clear.
                  1. +2
                    23 October 2015 18: 27
                    Quote: Babr
                    From here your sarcasm is clear.

                    Yes, I beg you - why this primitive racism? For example, I do not have a single corresponding polypeptide in the genes, however, I support the Jew atalef'but in his wicked irony about the "heroes of the civil war" laughing Oh, by the way, what about the rumors about the Jewish roots of Che Guevara? laughing Ehm ... Girkin?
                    1. +1
                      23 October 2015 18: 38
                      Quote: Das Boot
                      Oh, by the way, what about the rumors about the Jewish roots of Che Guevara? Ehm ... Girkin?

                      So you run up, you reveal all our plans for the seizure of the world. wassat Che Guevara is an agent of the ZOG under the code name "shimazal". feel
                      1. 0
                        23 October 2015 18: 54
                        Quote: Hello
                        Che Guevara is an agent of the ZOG under the code name "shimazal".

                        shit ... I allow myself an impromptu line in the style of Vishnevsky:

                        I push backstage with skip ...
                    2. +1
                      23 October 2015 19: 37
                      Racism? Excuse me, I'm not "sinless" myself, my surname is from a Jewish name.
                      And so I probably subconsciously separate the word Jew from ... ice.
                      For me, a Jew, this is the people.
                      Dyd, this is a bloodsucker.
                      Understand the difference, and you will be happy. Yes
                      1. +1
                        23 October 2015 19: 45
                        Quote: Babr
                        I am not "sinless" myself

                        Quote: Babr
                        I have a surname, from a Jewish name.

                        Quote: Babr
                        I probably subconsciously separate the word Jew

                        Quote: Babr
                        For me, a Jew, this is the people.
                      2. 0
                        23 October 2015 21: 24
                        Think man, think. After all, a direct gyrus, this is not good.
                    3. 0
                      24 October 2015 01: 02
                      Quote: Das Boot
                      Oh, by the way, what about the rumors about the Jewish roots of Che Guevara?

                      Stop it, I'm watching you ... laughing
                  2. +2
                    23 October 2015 18: 42
                    Quote: Babr
                    In vain do you mean little Alexander.
                    After all, 90 percent of the so-called Bolshevik commissars were of your blood.

                    Yes, the bloodsuckers are still those.
                    The percentage is certainly lower, but mine was enough, including my famous uncle (or rather, my great-grandfather’s brother) - who arrested Meyer Schneerson and confiscated his library.
                    For which Russian patriots are still tearing their throats - saying that this is the property of Russia
                    So I just can not understand what is my mark in this matter?
                    sort of confiscated (relative) - now the property of the country, the center was built, Putin opened it
                    And in my opinion, there is nothing to be proud of (the communist gang that destroyed the country) than pouring water to the mill - to other lovers of Jewish security officers.
                    So judge request
                    1. 0
                      23 October 2015 19: 18
                      Quote: atalef
                      So I just can not understand what is my mark in this matter?

                      Ai-yayay, these ordinary Jewish reflections laughing Ask from MIKHAN 'or, at worst, padded jacket. Regarding the first one, of course, the question is - he is busy with the selection of caps for throwing, as usual ... But padded jacket may well add branches to your genealogical, sorry, tree. About the library - ha! from Alter Rebbe to slaughtered babies in Gaza !!!!
                      B / \ I ... But padded jacket taxis here, don't you find?
                      1. +2
                        23 October 2015 19: 27
                        Quote: Das Boot
                        About the library - ha! from Alter Rebbe to slaughtered babies in Gaza !!!!

                        So you forgot the protocols of the Zion of the sages and the Jews in power. fellow
                      2. -1
                        23 October 2015 19: 36
                        Quote: Hello
                        So you forgot the protocols of the Zion of the sages and the Jews in power.

                        quieter, quieter .... These are the usual party blah-blah'ski) You, in fact, are aware that some (OMG!) here believe that PSM were edited by Himself !!!
                        (uh-uh ... really, what kind of "Himself" ... I don't give a damn.)
                      3. -1
                        23 October 2015 21: 26
                        Quote: Das Boot
                        You, in fact, are aware that some (OMG!) Here believe that P.S.M. were edited by Himself !!!
                        (uh-uh ... really, what kind of "Himself" ... I don't give a damn.)

                        The padded jacket itself? feel
                      4. 0
                        23 October 2015 20: 45
                        Why have you forgotten? We have read, we remember, and we also heard your rebbe's speeches. What did you mean to say that we have a short memory? Or is it just you, the “chosen of God,” everything is possible? And bomb Syria (it seems a shell flew from there) and Palestine to muzzle, and then yell that they treat you badly. Are you like others?
                      5. -1
                        23 October 2015 19: 50
                        Quote: Das Boot
                        .. But the quilted jacket rules here, don't you find?

                        you know, if Vatnik weren’t in real life, they would have to invent it.
                        Like some apotheosis and a collective image. in a sense, the standard. on which would be equated and to which would strive. laughing
                        Vatnik always knows - who is to blame and what to do bully
                      6. 0
                        23 October 2015 20: 37
                        Quote: atalef
                        Vatnik always knows - who is to blame and what to do

                        amendment: who's guilty - Yes.
                        and with what to do ... We follow ... we move ... "Anihuyasibe" in Hebrew is not rushing ... Sadness ...
                      7. 0
                        24 October 2015 01: 08
                        Quote: Das Boot
                        Quote: atalef
                        So I just can not understand what is my mark in this matter?

                        Ai-yayay, these ordinary Jewish reflections laughing Ask from MIKHAN 'or, at worst, padded jacket. Regarding the first one, of course, the question is - he is busy with the selection of caps for throwing, as usual ... But padded jacket may well add branches to your genealogical, sorry, tree. About the library - ha! from Alter Rebbe to slaughtered babies in Gaza !!!!
                        B / \ I ... But padded jacket taxis here, don't you find?


                        We find .. and generally abruptly come across chelas - "anti-Semite" and no one bans him, rather "marshal" will be soon .. wassat
                    2. 0
                      23 October 2015 21: 08
                      Quote: atalef
                      So judge


                      Time will judge. The Law of Time. It is not subject to anyone.
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                      1. +1
                        23 October 2015 21: 38
                        Quote: Babr
                        Sanya, what have you got? Abnormal working day? Or an order?

                        No, everything is easier, I’m at home today, there’s nothing to do, yesterday I returned from the Red Sea. rested a week
                        Quote: Babr
                        Judge on account, Time will judge. Law of Time, do you understand?

                        I would like during life laughing hi
                      2. 0
                        23 October 2015 21: 54
                        To want is not harmful, it is harmful not to want. hi
            2. +2
              23 October 2015 20: 36
              And you, the citizens of Israel, should carry IV Stalin in your arms, and not bark at him like pugs. Thanks to him, your country exists. Read the story. Also remember the backfill where your fathers and mothers, the founders of the state of Israel, came from. .
              1. -1
                23 October 2015 20: 51
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                And you, the citizens of Israel, must carry IV Stalin in your arms, and not bark at him like pugs

                But they do not bark at Stalin, in Israel on the day of his death there was nat.traur
                It was Khrushchev who then enslaved everything, began to run after the Arabs - and still eat his politics
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                Thanks to him, your country exists. Read the story.

                Well, not only him and far not only him. Read the story
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                .You also remember the backfill where your fathers and mothers, the founders of the state of Israel, came from.

                Well, Israel existed long before ..
                But returning to your words - ask - not from where (maybe Jews lived not only in the USSR) - but why?
              2. 0
                23 October 2015 21: 30
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                And you, the citizens of Israel, must carry IV Stalin in your arms, and not bark at him like pugs

                To dig and wear it? It’s somehow not comme il faut. But seriously, Stalin is treated with respect in Israel.
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                Thanks to him, your country exists. Read the story.

                Here you are a little too much thanking you for voting at the UN, but that’s all.
                Quote: Tambov Wolf
                Yes, remember the backfill where your fathers and mothers, the founders of the state of Israel, came from.

                Oh, where didn’t they come from Ethiopia, for example, is this also a merit of the father of nations?
          2. 0
            23 October 2015 20: 31
            My dear, we were taught this in the 60s of the last century. Then no one knew about all these tweaks. Now they open the documents. I wrote to you what we were taught. But you don’t understand this.
  22. +1
    23 October 2015 08: 03
    Dear, once again I urge you to think for yourself, you are stuffed with information that is beneficial, everyone has the right to their own opinion and position, any words can be distorted and another meaning can be put in, time and deeds will show who is who
    1. +6
      23 October 2015 08: 15
      With great pleasure I will send the author and "what a bad shooter commentator" to the front line to their favorite ukram together with their families)), and Kurginyan there with Co. Why are they afraid there is a truce)). Let them burn the swastika on their faces. climbed out. Strelkov showed us how to crush all this scum.
      1. +5
        23 October 2015 09: 17
        Bold desire. And nothing that thanks to some authors, those who did not swell on the front lines of hunger, did not freeze in the winter and received medicines, and some remained in hospital at the right time?
        1. +1
          23 October 2015 17: 58
          You can be a "Shooter" or be a slave. You can stand aside hoping for a handout from the master's table in a distant Rashka or the west. Everyone chooses for himself. soldier

          Dogs. Sometimes you need to live to the hospital.
        2. +2
          23 October 2015 19: 10
          "And nothing that thanks to some authors"
          So it’s precisely some (not for the first time) that they urge not to trample on their own good, it is not clear why. I already wrote above: the same thing is being criticized: Strelkov, when he fought, was good, now he is spoiled. Roma, when he organized and drove - was a benefactor, now - he got spoiled (from boredom, from envy), then why does he criticize, what is the difference?
          1. -3
            24 October 2015 02: 00
            You didn't get the hint. Not only do these authors have direct sources of information, they have been to Donbass itself more than once, and local admirers of Strelkov have information from advertising posters "300 Strelkovites".
  23. 3vs
    +2
    23 October 2015 08: 10
    Girkin is one of those who always wants to be the first.
    They forgot it, he, like those artists and others, like dogs, wants to somehow light up.
    The official authorities distanced themselves from it, well, so you need to throw a fan on it ...
    "I am an FSB colonel" - this is already somehow beginning to repel.
    FSB colonels, usually, do not stick this out.
  24. +5
    23 October 2015 08: 12
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    His media outlets, the media and bury him ... And what is he doing now useful for the Donbass? You can specifically
    Yes, sometimes Strelkov does, although he apparently has a "deserved" right to grievances, he really did more than anyone else. He did the main thing - he gave time to organize resistance, showed everyone by example that it is possible to resist the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And the VO site, which
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    "has media status"
    In fact, he was the best in covering the events in Donbass, talking about the "300-shooters", "Russian anti-fascist volunteers", "heroes and scoundrels" - which won even more authority, respect and attracted new participants.

    Yes, they tried to "forget" him officially, as they try to "forget" Petrovsky, Bezler and many others. But, this does not mean that those who either did nothing at all, or tried only to shit, became honored!

    One, Shooters do not like out of hatred, others out of envy, third out of fear! And you, Mr. Romanov, what did he annoy with?
    1. -2
      23 October 2015 08: 21
      Quote: VadimSt
      he really did the most

      Most of all at that time did those whose last names you still do not know.
      Quote: VadimSt
      He did the most important thing - he gave time for the organization of resistance, showed everyone on the example that to resist the Ukrainian Armed Forces

      In the game that was already going on, he was neither anyone nor his name. Donetsk and Lugansk didn’t give up and there is no merit here.
      Quote: VadimSt
      And to you what he annoyed?

      And I know a little more about him and not from the media. The time will come and you will find out.
      Until I met people who would be there with him and say good things about him. Do not know why?
      1. +9
        23 October 2015 08: 32
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Until I met people who would be there with him and say good things about him.

        As far as I know, both Mozgova and Givi supported Strelkov’s opinion and were on his side, precisely when they began to pour mud on him. And for me this is an argument.
      2. +3
        23 October 2015 08: 43
        Until I met people who would be there with him and say good things about him

        Petrovsky.
        1. 0
          23 October 2015 10: 44
          Aha Petrovsky said that he reported to Girkin about his girlfriend, who was unpacking the humanitarian aid, but instead of punishment, Girkin rushed to defend him, a very positive statement about the protection of the thief =)
      3. +6
        23 October 2015 08: 49
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And I know a little more about him and not from the media. The time will come and you will find out.
        My priests, how weighty, convincing, and mysterious! I almost thought that the pointing finger from the window opposite the Children's World was sticking out!
        Some, in theory, know everything, but do nothing, others, almost everyone does it!
        1. 0
          23 October 2015 09: 03
          Quote: VadimSt
          My fathers, how weighty, convincing, and mysterious!

          Nothing mysterious, just if you have a lot, then I sometimes speak with those who were there.
          Quote: VadimSt
          Some, in theory, everyone knows

          Self-critical is commendable.
          1. +2
            23 October 2015 09: 26
            Okay! I will leave you and your "informativeness" alone, after all, you are talking to "someone ...", and we are "... we live close by." Yes, and trolling, I'm not interested!
    2. -2
      23 October 2015 09: 07
      Quote: VadimSt
      Yes, they tried to "forget" him officially

      Well, yes, the torture of oblivion is poorly tolerated for any yesterday's "caliph for an hour".
  25. +4
    23 October 2015 08: 14
    Not every good company officer can become a good commander. Obviously, this applies to Girkin. On the scale of the Donbass, he was in his place, on the scale of Eurasia - a question. After all, he did not become the president of Russia. Every person has his own ceiling, the main thing is to remain HUMAN.
  26. +5
    23 October 2015 08: 18
    Shooters said simple language for ordinary people what he thinks. If you listen to what politicians say on all kinds of talk shows there, then it’s sometimes sometimes difficult to understand something about what they are actually talking about and what they’re saying. It's just that someone is in business and someone is not, that’s not understand each other.
    Felling everything on Strelkov is simply stupid, the easiest thing is to find who is to blame.
    As one American political scientist correctly said: America plays long and Russia does not. That’s why all the mistakes are in Russian strategy.
    The new president and the new strategy were like this until recently, until the GDP stood at the helm.
  27. +14
    23 October 2015 08: 23
    Surprisingly, Strelkov turned from a hero into an outcast. Many hate him more than Chubais, Makarevich and Navalny put together :) Let's separate the flies from cutlets.

    Shooters are a warrior. And never a politician. Kurginyan is an artist. I was not in the trenches. Korotchenko is a journalist. Military, really. Starikov is a politician who is slowly but consistently striving for power. That is, all three are "artists" of the speaking genre.

    Now think for a minute. Here are the shooters in the Crimea. Then he suddenly finds himself in Rostov, collects fifty people with weapons and goes to Slavyansk. He says that Saiga, however, one of those fifty in a video interview let slip that the AK-74.

    300 kilometers from Rostov to Slavyansk. Hundreds of men of military age with weapons, ammunition, medicines, etc., in uniform (these are two large buses or 2-3 kungs) get together, travel 300 km across the border, and there is no FSB there, nor do the SBU see this here? Do not make me laugh. Well, or the FSB need to be dispersed, because otherwise they work efficiently? Look how many attacks have already been prevented.

    Conclusion: they were missed, and they were not volunteers. They made a mess, waited for reinforcements or at least the promised deliveries of ammunition. However, the plans of the conditional marmots changed, and they were simply left to die. Kurginyan asked, lounging on the sofa with two (!) Machine guns: "Why didn't you die in Slavyansk?" Would you agree? Not for the Motherland, but for the interests of the oligarchs. Look what is happening in Luhansk. A vicious bickering of grabbers tearing each other's throats for profit from coal. And Plotnitsky like them. Was it necessary to start such a thing, let alone die for it? And how is it smarter than the Kiev Maidan? And why are all iconic persons either killed (and clearly not by Kiev ones), or recalled? Shooters hindering you? Why was it withdrawn? :)

    So do not try, dear friends, to color everyone once and for all only in black and white. This does not happen. Even in the Watch at Lukyanenko, not to mention the realities :) And remember the Scripture: Judge by their deeds.
    1. -6
      23 October 2015 08: 36
      Quote: vladimir_krm
      Surprisingly, Strelkov turned from a hero into an outcast. Many hate him more than Chubais, Makarevich and Navalny combined

      there is no prophet in my own country, I said dd ago, Strelkov had to die - then streets would have been called after him

      Quote: vladimir_krm
      300 kilometers from Rostov to Slavyansk. Hundreds of men of military age with weapons, ammunition, medicines, etc., in uniform (these are two large buses or 2-3 kungs) get together, travel 300 km across the border, and there is no FSB there, nor do the SBU see this here? Do not make me laugh. Well, or the FSB need to be dispersed, because otherwise they work efficiently? Look how many attacks have already been prevented.

      good , Good morning Country.
      This is exactly where Girkins did not come to save the Russians - there is no war and the Slavs do not kill the Slavs
      1. +19
        23 October 2015 09: 12
        Quote: atalef
        , Good morning Country.
        This is exactly where Girkins did not come to save the Russians - there is no war and the Slavs do not kill the Slavs

        Sasha ... Fear God ... At least your ....
        People alive drowned in the Pechersk reservoir near Kharkov, with pieces of iron tied to their legs, in the spring of 2014, as well as corpses floating on the Seversky Donets, dropped helicopters a little later, with their hands tied and their heads wrapped .... And how many never found? Or did the Martians and the Ishilians do this?
        This is war. Civil War.
        And while the junta is sitting in Kiev, shutting its mouth to the people with the fear of death, this war will not end.
        1. 0
          23 October 2015 09: 45
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          Sasha ... Fear God ... At least your ....

          Ilyich - God is One wink

          Quote: stalkerwalker
          People alive drowned in the Pechersk reservoir near Kharkov, with pieces of iron tied to their legs, in the spring of 2014, as well as corpses floating on the Seversky Donets, dropped helicopters a little later, with their hands tied and their heads wrapped .... And how many never found? Or did the Martians and the Ishilians do this?

          Of course not, Slavs, Ilyich, Slavs - despite the fact that from a helicopter (I’m sure they were thrown off with the words - Fly to ..- not in English, but in Russian) - did anyone even think about what the fraternal peoples had brought to? And at least both sides. And how fast.

          Quote: stalkerwalker
          This is war. Civil War.
          And while the junta is sitting in Kiev, shutting its mouth to the people with the fear of death, this war will not end.

          Ilyich, Ilyich - as you do not understand, a civil war without
          1. Advocacy
          2.Money
          3. Tune in the masses
          - cannot take place a priori.
          What does it mean, as you know, there are 2 sides.
          1. +3
            23 October 2015 13: 58
            Quote: atalef
            Of course not, Slavs, Ilyich, Slavs - despite the fact that from a helicopter (I’m sure they were thrown off with the words - Fly to ..- not in English, but in Russian) - did anyone even think about what the fraternal peoples had brought to? And at least both sides. And how fast.

            Quote: atalef
            3. Tune in the masses
            - cannot take place a priori.
            What does it mean, as you know, there are 2 sides.

            Sasha ...
            There is ALREADY no mood among the masses - the mood has disappeared.
            I quote a friend from Kiev from August this year, who spat on me in OK in September 2013, and threatened with punishment from heaven in the spring of 2014:
            Yes, you're right, tired of this whole situevina, which has gone too far. God willing, everything settles down to calm down, otherwise we live like a volcano. Everything is somehow not very good for me, the company fell apart ... Right now on the stock exchange. Engaged in building. and repair. apartments ...
            This is an answer from that side.
            About ETU - everything is more or less clear.
            But there is one question and not there - when will the confrontation end?
            When the guns cease to shoot in the Donbass (note - not in Kiev or Lviv).
            This civil war went into a waiting phase when both sides dream that the other side would die faster. There you go Minsk agreements, the fulfillment of which is expected, first of all, from Kuev. And only Frau Merkel is trying to pose as a champion of democratic values. But refugees arriving in Germany in droves will demolish the chancellor like a mudflow. And Paris "has already eaten", only assent.
            Urkaina's future is quite transparent - "thrifty hamsters" are filling the bins, waiting for the go-ahead "Everyone to leave the side of the sinking toilet bowl."
            1. -4
              23 October 2015 14: 30
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              Sasha ...
              There is ALREADY no mood among the masses - the mood has disappeared.

              Yes, and you paid attention that this is a conversation about fraternal people and Russian, it seems, like a world.
              I wonder at what speed the fuse and mood to defend Assad will disappear?
              I immediately said that now the states shouldn’t strain at all - you just need to drag out the conflict - remember my words - THE TRAP SLAMS - wait a month or two. From the middle of November, beginning of December, the season of rains, fogs and nasty weather begins - this will complicate the work of the Air Force
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              This civil war went into a waiting phase, when both sides dream that the other side would die faster

              Of course, only Ukraine is larger than the Donbass and it is at home, and the Donbass has nowhere to run.

              Quote: stalkerwalker
              ... And only Frau Merkel is trying to pose as a champion of democratic values. But refugees arriving in Germany en masse will demolish the chancellor like a mudflow. And Paris "has already eaten", only assent.

              They will pay Turkey (which has already been done) and ... did you notice that it somehow calmed down with the refugees?

              Quote: stalkerwalker
              The future of Urkaina is transparent enough

              Ukraine will remain and will not go anywhere.
              All that you said is about New Russia.
              There already 70% of hamsters faded. Count the names (known).
              1. +2
                24 October 2015 11: 17
                Quote: atalef
                Ukraine will remain and will not go anywhere.
                All that you said is about New Russia.

                Hi Alexander!
                hi
                All our discussion with you is an exact cast of the arguments and counterarguments of BOTH parties to the conflict ... fellow
                There is only one thing left to say - "Wait and see ...".
          2. +2
            23 October 2015 16: 30
            everything mixed up in the Oblonsky house ...
            Quote: atalef
            Of course not, Slavs, Ilyich, Slavs - despite the fact that from a helicopter (I’m sure they were thrown off with the words - Fly to ..- not in English, but in Russian)

            1-why are you sure that it is not in English?
            2- why from 2 sides ?. where in our country Ukrainians were beaten or killed only because they speak Ukrainian or if Russia does not shout a mustache? (all the children in music schools still learn and sing Ukrainian songs): and it all started in Ukraine. the mattress rules the ball unfortunately. and we ... Ukraine and the battle for the minds. or do you think there may be two opinions: a Bandera hero or not? where do you think then the fault of the second non-Kiev-junta side?
      2. +5
        23 October 2015 11: 59
        There were no Slavs in Odessa, no?
      3. +7
        23 October 2015 19: 24
        The Slavs (ukroki) began to hammer the Slavs before the arrival of Strelkov and even where he was not and is not there until now. Let me remind you - Mariupol, Odessa. In Crimea flooded on the "friendship train" Strelkov to look for? To bomb the Luhansk airport - why did Strelkov run on takeoff? The Girkins were in Crimea, and there is no war there. Unnoticed? And in Mariupol, Odessa, they were not on time ... Yes, the shooting began on the sacred Maidan, the Girkins certainly did not gallop there.
        Think at least something at least sometimes.
  28. +3
    23 October 2015 08: 30
    Yes, maybe Strelkov made mistakes, as everyone has pros and cons, but as for me there are more pluses, but what doubts our Syrian victories will show time if so let him lower his eyes. But when a shushar like a kurginyan and others like him pour dirt, this is not acceptable; they are not allowed to comment on pig farrow pigsty but people who risk their lives for the Russian world are not allowed to spray this road dirt.
  29. +3
    23 October 2015 08: 35
    It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong about Strelkov?

    By the way, from a week ago, I somehow remembered Strelkov and the well-known video of Kurginyan. I also wondered where Strelkov disappeared, and was Kurginyan really wrong? And here is the article. smile
  30. +4
    23 October 2015 08: 37
    Everyone must do their job! it would be better to have fought on, and not climb into politics!
  31. 0
    23 October 2015 08: 40
    unfortunately, it is not always possible to get to the bottom of the truth working only from open sources, especially being a contemporary of the current events. After all, somehow the brilliant General Vlasov turned into a traitor. and a number of comrades to this day claim that no one shot him, that they say that Vlasov had a "special" mission. and show maps where very strange Vlasov is literally left to the German troops.
    in no case do not compare these two figures (Strelkov and Vlasov), however, I draw attention to ambiguity one or another behavior of a person whose official interpretation of the actions is regarded as a betrayal. politics is not only multi-way, but also multivariate and non-linear. in it it is necessary to think not with pillars but with trees. therefore, it is impossible to fully formulate the attitude to the event without owning the context.
    Of course, the official point of view on the publicly expressed position of a person who calls himself patriot the exact opposite of the official position of the leadership of his country can only be that betrayal. There is no opposition in the war.
  32. -7
    23 October 2015 08: 40
    girkin is an undercover agent, he works as a disinfectant)))
  33. +2
    23 October 2015 08: 48
    In my opinion, Strelkov will remain in history as "Che Guevara of the XXI century". Hero City Slavyansk!
    1. -2
      23 October 2015 09: 07
      That's why the fidel actually handed over to Che Guevara, they say, at the direct direction of Khrushchev)))
    2. -1
      23 October 2015 09: 13
      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      In my opinion, Strelkov will remain in history as "Che Guevara of the XXI century"

      take it easy, won't stay. Neither in history, nor Guevara. Is that an adventurer-loser. After a couple of years, this image will be forgotten. And if he continues to climb with his predictions, he will gently migrate to Echo and Rain, and later to Bolotnaya. Personally, I will not be surprised at such metamorphoses.
    3. -3
      23 October 2015 09: 26
      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      In my opinion, Strelkov will remain in history as "Che Guevara of the XXI century". Hero City Slavyansk!

      He lives calmly under ukrami and ... can you hear about the partisan movement in Slavyansk?
  34. +7
    23 October 2015 08: 48
    Sometimes Strelkov is better off being silent than talking. In war, often very different people fight in the same trench, but their ultimate goals vary greatly. While he was at war, questions to him were purely tactical and military, and now, when he was talking about his ultimate political goals, there were misunderstandings.
  35. yan 2015
    0
    23 October 2015 09: 00
    Girkin got hooked on the spice. or insult that moved. carry such crap .. and even to a public court. sorry, respected his undertaking.
  36. +8
    23 October 2015 09: 01
    The German magazine Der Spiegel interviewed Igor Strelkov, the former commander of the Donbass militia.
    Strelkov, according to him, did not think that the war would drag on for such a long period of time and would be so bloody. "I thought that Moscow would annex Donbass, just like Crimea, as a result of a referendum," he said. "Most of the militia are fighting precisely for reunification with Russia. Crimea inspired them." "Nevertheless, I cannot look into what is going on inside the Kremlin," Strelkov continued. "Moscow is delaying because of foreign policy reasons. Perhaps because of the West."
    The militias, Strelkov said, had "the opportunity to defeat the Ukrainian army in September. We could have occupied Mariupol and even more." "However, now, despite the defeat at Debaltsovo, the Ukrainian army is far superior to the armed forces of the People's Republics." Russia, according to Strelkov, should more actively "participate in the conflict in eastern Ukraine." The ex-commander offered to overthrow the current regime in Kiev. "For me, this is the government of the Nazis. Russia must establish order in all of Ukraine and put a legitimate government in power. Only then will the problems of Donbass be resolved," Strelkov said.
    The real separatists, in his opinion, are "Ukrainian politicians, since they separated from Russia." “I remain an adherent of a united Russia,” he stressed. “Kiev is a Russian city. (...) Ukraine was and is a part of Russia. I dream that Russia will regain its natural borders, at least within 1939” ... As for the form of government, for Russia, according to Strelkov, "any autocratic is optimal. It corresponds to our culture and economic reality."
    XXXX
    Yes, Strelkov is a monarchist. So what? in fact, JV Stalin was the "Red Monarch". And where do you see the betrayal of Russia in Strelkov's statements?
  37. +4
    23 October 2015 09: 06
    “There should be one principle: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS. To desire the defeat of your army is a betrayal. The Ukrainian press with anti-Russian gloating and happily quotes Strelkova. So a man says and does something wrong! ”

    Do you know what true patriotism is? Act for the good of the motherland, even if at the same time you go against the will of the authorities.
  38. +2
    23 October 2015 09: 13
    Shooters, although not a coward, and they used him as a torpedo in this conflict, are quite funny from a psychological point of view, there are a lot of feminine features in his character. Strongly developed narcissism, the first call sign is just what it is, constant tantrums and increased touchiness, coupled with rabble like spruce murida, they did their job. Strelkov got a kick in the ass for not following orders, putting his interests above the interests of the country. Yes, he pours slops, primarily from the insult that the general was not made by the governor of the DPR, the state did not appreciate his merits and self-sacrifice, these actions are ordinary human weakness.
  39. +2
    23 October 2015 09: 17
    Strelkov greatly overestimates his analytical capabilities to give forecasts and assess the development of the situation inside the country and beyond. It seems that the unfulfilled ambitions and resentment that they did not appreciate, were removed from Novorossia and he is not in demand by the Russian authorities. It is difficult to live for those who consider themselves better and smarter than others.
  40. +4
    23 October 2015 09: 19
    I will not judge any of the parties now, I will just remind you how a year ago everyone admired Strelkov, compared him with the best commanders of the past, praised and rejoiced for the fact that he is. Forgotten already? What and why he says now is a different question. Not having complete information, I myself will not speak for and against. But what will they say in another year?
    In general, fame, as you know - a windy girl. Apparently, now the wind is blowing on Strelkova. Maybe change? We'll see...
  41. +3
    23 October 2015 09: 23
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Yes, and if you know the specifics, then you would not remember the Crimea. Since in the Crimea he managed it, I really do not want to.

    Can I open a topic? Why did you get this at all? Or at least links.
  42. -6
    23 October 2015 09: 28
    Strelkov is the same analyst as I am a trolleybus driver in Paris. There is nothing except show-off. "Escaped fighter from the battlefield" who wants to take his place under the Sun ... The whole truth is that the Americans have begun to approach our oil in Iraq, and no one will allow this. Everything is trite - raw materials. So we gouge at IS and gouge, and these rogue analysts work off McCain's or Nuland's bucks and nothing more. War will show the plan, and time will show the result.
  43. +6
    23 October 2015 09: 36
    The main thing is that a year later they do not start back up again when marking heroes and traitors ... otherwise, as I understand it, many of the "sofas" sitting here praised Strelkov in the recent past.
  44. +1
    23 October 2015 09: 37
    By the way, it’s amusing when some people write that without Strelkov there wouldn’t be anything, Strelkova pulled Borodai to Donbas, Borodaya was supervised by special services, from the rearrangement of places, the amount would not have changed, if there weren’t Strelkov but Grenade launchers =)
  45. 0
    23 October 2015 09: 38
    According to his actions (Girkin), back in 2014. realized that he was a Cossack mishandled ....
  46. -7
    23 October 2015 09: 41
    Girkin’s job is to panic.
  47. +3
    23 October 2015 09: 43
    That's how easy it turns out to be to manipulate public opinion! And they also wonder how everyone in Ukraine is mad! At first, everyone shouted in delight what Strelkov was a hero-patriot, the hope of Russia! Then they removed Strelkov, found the "media patriots" Kurginyan and Starikov and began to throw mud at Strelkov (at the suggestion of Surkov)! Now the lazy will not throw a stone at the traitor-changer Girkin-Strelkov! Are you people out of your mind? The shooters proved by deeds who he is and what he is, in Donbass! What he says is his personal opinion, which he is not afraid to express (do you think he doesn’t understand what kind of wave is rising? Of course, it’s easier to be an opportunist Kurginyan!), And you don’t need to smear the Hero with mud. He will forever go down in the history of Russia as a Hero!
    1. -5
      23 October 2015 09: 51
      What the hell is the management of public opinion, Strelkov pours mud on himself, pouring slop on Russia, one of his white-bellied friends, spruce murid, which is worth it, under Stalin, the spruce murid would have hung on a lamppost for a long time.
    2. -4
      23 October 2015 12: 22
      No need to la-la, not all "at first" shouted delightedly that Strelkov was a hero. From the very beginning, it was already noted that any public speech by Strelkov is "we will all die, Russia will send troops." And Kurginyan clashed with him even before he was removed.

      PS: And is he a hero or not a hero, we will not know soon. Why, for example, did he order the withdrawal of anti-tank weapons from positions before leaving Slavyansk?
  48. +3
    23 October 2015 09: 45
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Novel 11
    when almost the entire army of dill besieged him

    It is strange if the whole dill army was near Slavyansk, which then attacked Donetsk and Lugansk.
    I remember well the reports of those times.

    When there was a siege of Slavyansk, there was no attack on Donetsk and Lugansk.
  49. +6
    23 October 2015 09: 47
    Listen, Comrades, scribblers messages - you are not ashamed!
    It’s fashionable to spray mud with Strelkova ...
    Everyone forgot the events of 2014, his merits.
    A man worries about his work. Well, with pessimism he approaches everything, as always in his messages. And what would happen if not for him ...
    1. -5
      23 October 2015 10: 54
      What merit, the fact that he passed Slavic, did not take our word for it, was afraid for his own skin and did not follow the order, or that he gave orders, to retreat to other points that people did not fulfill and kept them safe. Now he is chasing Merc , his wife said that he was paid well, at other times, he would have been waiting for completely different consequences, for his suitors.
      1. +5
        23 October 2015 13: 54
        This is what "leadership"? Surkov, perhaps, who hides his real name and surname, disgracing his family? Guarantor Putin, who blurted out that we were not abandoning our own people, and if Russians offend Russians in the East of Ukraine, we say we will stand up for them? Or the local "leadership", which dance to the tune of Surkov and Akhmetov, hoping to get their little bit? Did you measure your skin with him when he fought or did your skin in the kitchen drank coffee with beer? And where did his wife tell you? Under the blanket, when you slept with her, or, not having your mind, retell the woman's rumors? You, my friend, are irresponsible balabol. Has anyone else beat you for the market?
        1. -2
          23 October 2015 19: 31
          Oh my God, the idol of the fanatic was offended by the guard =) his wife spoke in an interview. Our army harnessed so that Girkind would not be thrown in Slavyansk either, and with whom he was talking you could ask him, he could tell you as a fan, also he wasn’t there with whom, as a rambo, he didn’t fight, but only gave orders, Putin said that we would defend and our army did it within the boundaries necessary for a frozen conflict, if Girkind hadn’t fled ahead of time, the territory would be bigger, Surkov hides his family name disgracefully and only you Tambov wolf, you know his name, you’re straight colombo, I hope you won’t cry, and the last sentence seems to be written under tears =)
          1. +2
            23 October 2015 20: 57
            I don’t have any idols, I don’t create them, but I never like to listen and read. Your army is Ukrainian, or something, because there was no Russian there, it’s your idol the guarantor screams at all performances. And Surkova’s name is Aslambek Dudayev, google, You will find it. For a Chechen to abandon the clan is a disgrace, just like the Russian Orthodox to accept the Jewish faith. Further, I didn’t poke you, and you are either a fucked up kid or a dumb bastard who does not know the rules of behavior in a decent society. Arivederchi bambino.
            1. -4
              23 October 2015 21: 17
              You’re just like a girl, talking too many tantrums, feel sorry for you? =) Putin can say that you will become an insect ?, he changed his surname by his mother, only for the political background, due to the fact that she repeats another well-known Dudaev. I I see you follow, who crap one's clothes where, collect for souvenirs? bully
    2. 0
      23 October 2015 11: 19
      This is not pessimism. This is an attempt to promote ... everything will not go away ... like a prophet .... but about Slavyansk there are a lot of muddy things there.
  50. +4
    23 October 2015 09: 52
    Quote: murking
    By the way, it’s amusing when some people write that without Strelkov there wouldn’t be anything, Strelkova pulled Borodai to Donbas, Borodaya was supervised by special services, from the rearrangement of places, the amount would not have changed, if there weren’t Strelkov but Grenade launchers =)

    Have you ever tried to organize anything in your life? And the people went after Strelkov! They believed and risked everything! You treat people badly, you wouldn't go after any "Granatametchikov"!
    1. -6
      23 October 2015 10: 00
      People went for a picture on TV, which is easy to cook up, even if people went to the LPR for the driver of the swamp, and what difference does it make if Strelkov’s last action in the war, an attempt to retreat to Russia and surrender all territories, decided the entire entry of our army, and the rest is a normal performance.
    2. -8
      23 October 2015 13: 43
      And he betrayed them, surrendering Slavyansk.
      The time will come and the court will establish all the facts.
    3. +3
      23 October 2015 15: 16
      When I hear criticism from those who not only did not smell gunpowder, but also miss Poroshenko from a machine gun from five meters, I always remember the Chinese proverb: "It's easy to cut down ... a fallen tree."
      ------
      It will also be interesting to know the opinion of Kurginyan about Mozgovoy or his opinion about Kvachkov ...
      1. -1
        23 October 2015 23: 33
        Everything, in general, is so, as long as the one who is being criticized goes about his business. Strelkov is a good tactician, a unit commander. Perhaps a good military strategist (not for me to judge). But the key word here is "military". Politics and diplomacy are very different from military operations. Therefore, it was not worth it to start criticizing Russia's strategy in the international arena. And it was also brought into the economy by the edge. It seems that the cabin boy is outraged by the deviation of the ship from the course, not realizing that the ship is bypassing the minefield. Plus, there is a clear negative effect in the information war waged by the West against Russia.
  51. +8
    23 October 2015 09: 59
    Strelkov quite competently and logically described his vision of the situation. Each person draws conclusions from the information he has. I’m not talking about media propaganda, you can imagine the conclusions of ordinary Ukrainian citizens about themselves and about Russia. Our jingoistic patriots are not at all behind them.
    1. +5
      23 October 2015 17: 13
      Greetings! don't pay attention to them! today those who scold and throw mud at Girkin-Strelkov, a year ago they prayed to him as an icon. More than half of the people sitting here remind me of the mechanic Polesov.
  52. +5
    23 October 2015 10: 06
    Discussing Strelkov using the example of the court weather vane and goryoshka korotchenka is five!)) This schlimazzle promised on September 6 that in 45 days Russian passports would be distributed to citizens of the LDPR. 45 days have passed, even such a slut as the short one has to answer for the market. Let him take the blow for his words. Does a lot (c).. :) What exactly?))))
  53. +5
    23 October 2015 10: 08
    The presence of purgen slaves from the “dirt of time” sect in the comments hints that the chmyrenys who prepared the surrender of Donetsk in July 2014 still cannot forget the spoiled rEnome.)))) Glory to Rus' and Novorossiya!
  54. +9
    23 October 2015 10: 13
    Kurginyan is hysterical.
    There is no need for dirt about Girkin, opinions have their place, even if they do not coincide with the opinions of the majority/minority. This does not detract from his previous merits.
  55. +8
    23 October 2015 10: 17
    Somehow there was no sign of Kurgenyan or Starikov or other skilled talkers in the Donbass with a machine gun in their hands. They prefer the capital's stands and television studios. Where were they when Donetsk, Lugansk, Kharkov, Odessa rebelled? But we know exactly where Strelkov was.
    1. -2
      23 October 2015 13: 47
      From the very beginning of hostilities in the Donbass, the DPR’s armed forces have been fighting against fascism the “Essence of Time” detachment, formed by activists of the communist movement of the same name.

      http://vk.com/svdonbass
    2. 0
      28 October 2015 10: 14
      Maybe you can explain to me who needed the civil war in Donbass and why. According to Strelkov himself, it was he who untied it, because without him, everything would have calmed down more or less peacefully and there would not have been the victims that occurred, and there would not have been that hatred between certain segments of the population in Ukraine?
  56. Roy
    +6
    23 October 2015 10: 28
    Kurginyan is a nasty aphid and a custom-made Surkov aphid. Strelkov is a patriot, statesman and warrior.
    And the author of this article is from the liberal-dung media.
    1. -6
      23 October 2015 11: 07
      What a cultural fanatic Girkin is, your Girkin is the main star of yesterday’s censor, his story about the collapse of Russia excited the crests quite a lot, you should have a joint orgy with them, according to Girkind’s article.
  57. -4
    23 October 2015 10: 45
    There is a liberal intelligentsia and a new bourgeoisie, but this is only one of the areas of work to destroy Russia, but there is also the People’s Labor Union and the Vlasovites and other supposedly cheerful patriots and Russian nationalists. And this is another area of ​​activity! Both left and right they are doing their work! I highly recommend watching “The Essence of Time”!
  58. 0
    23 October 2015 11: 09
    Strelkov's role is simple and clear. He will always verbally say “everything is lost and we will all die.” You need to understand that these are just words. The old principle of divide and conquer. All his statements are purely for crests - he is breeding suckers. The purpose of such statements is to sow false conclusions about the state of affairs in Novorossiya among crests.
  59. +5
    23 October 2015 11: 10
    Oh, Romka threw in the yeast again))) Effective as always)

    With Comrade Strelkov, everything is somehow completely ambiguous. On the one hand, it is actually difficult to overestimate his contribution to the Militia cause. On the other hand... It’s enough for me that he promoted the sect of Tsar-worshipers in his circles. In short, the copper pipes did not pass through. Judge him for this? Don't think...
    1. -5
      23 October 2015 13: 49
      Yes, he should be tried for something else.
    2. +4
      23 October 2015 19: 50
      Romka threw in the yeast again. Yeah, to the neighbor's toilet in the heat.
  60. +4
    23 October 2015 11: 12
    Strelkov’s attitude to the Syrian issue is clear and can be characterized by the proverb about his shirt, which, despite everything, is still closer to the body. One can understand him: he risked his life for the failed “Novorossiya”, which Russia never supported, and his experiences are entirely connected with the fate of this region, and not distant Syria. In general, there is a chance to break the back of the American cartel, but only if we have a real alliance with Arab countries, primarily Iran, and this alliance manages to isolate terrorist groups by blocking all access to replenishment of weapons, ammunition, and manpower.
  61. +6
    23 October 2015 11: 14
    Russia has global interests in Syria. This is, firstly, control of oil from the Middle East to Europe. As long as there is a regime in power that does not want to have anything to do with America and Europe, an oil pipeline to Europe from the Saudis will be laid.
    A regular war for resources. And of course the military aspect, since bases in Syria make it possible to keep the entire Middle Eastern region under control.

    Is it possible for Russia to participate in the conflict for this? You decide for yourself, but given the moves of the Islamic State on Russian territory, I think that it is simply necessary to punish some people. Moreover, you can warn those who are especially stubborn in Saudi Arabia that there will be no meat from Russia, but there will be a flight of cruise missiles from nuclear warheads and the remaining population of the Arabian Peninsula will then work as kailomi in Iranian mines.
    1. -2
      23 October 2015 16: 54
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      This is, firstly, control of oil from the Middle East to Europe.

      How ? No oil pipeline has passed through Syria
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      As long as there is a regime in power that does not want to have anything to do with America and Europe, an oil pipeline to Europe from the Saudis will be laid.

      Why would (this pipe) bother Assad so much (if it had been laid) that he was ready to get into a war for it?
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      And of course the military aspect, since bases in Syria make it possible to keep the entire Middle Eastern region under control.

      Bases? There were no Russian bases in Syria. There was a mattech service point. One pier and one and a half diggers of servants.
      It’s strange, if we take all your statements seriously, it turns out that Assad is fighting and destroying his country solely for the interests of Rosneft and the Russian Defense Ministry

      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Is it possible for Russia to participate in the conflict for this?

      Participate, judging by your thoughts - Russia is the cause of the conflict (more precisely, its interests)
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Moreover, you can warn those who are especially stubborn in Saudi Arabia that there will be no meat from Russia, but there will be a flight of cruise missiles from nuclear warheads and the remaining population of the Arabian Peninsula will then work as kailomi in Iranian mines.

      belay Yes, it’s a pity I didn’t read the comment to the end right away.
      1. 0
        23 October 2015 20: 21
        You’re not tired of dealing with nonsense yet, expect massive sales of our weapons to Iran, from its oil money, after we settle things with Syria fellow
  62. -10
    23 October 2015 11: 17
    Guys, patriots of Russia, do not publish on the censor as the main topic, but Girkind is published =)
    1. -3
      28 October 2015 10: 19
      One of two things: Girkin is either an enemy or... Judging by the planned and systematic nature of actions and statements, it is most likely the former.
  63. +10
    23 October 2015 11: 18
    The campaign to dump Strelkov continues. What is most amusing is the comparison of comments from the time of the defense of Slavyansk and the present. And we also shout that in Ukraine the people are being zombified through the media.
    1. -6
      23 October 2015 11: 40
      Fuck who needs your Strelkov to leak him, 90 percent of the population has long forgotten about him, they changed the record on TV and there is no Strelkov. He’s just in the information war, he’s participating against Russia and he’s often published on the censor, which is upsetting =).
      1. +3
        24 October 2015 00: 10
        murking I answer especially for the (tinted) most literate ones. “Who the hell needs your Strelkov...” The South-West really needs it. He was needed in the spring of 2014, very much, and for our Jewish happiness, he went to Slavyansk. And we called. And now we need it, but y.u.h. will come after all the crap in the Donbass. In short, words cannot express how much they expected that we would be next after Crimea. It’s good that Crimea was saved.
  64. +8
    23 October 2015 11: 23
    22.10.15. A note from militiaman Alexander Zhuchkovsky.
    “The topic is boring, but it is raised again and again, so I will also speak out - we are again talking about Strelkov, Surkov, the Novorossiya “project”, etc. I am not Strelkov’s lawyer (he doesn’t need anyone’s lawyer), but regular attacks on him they still demand an answer (he himself rarely responds to attacks, this is correct), because the matter is not only with Strelkov as an individual, but also with all of us who stood under his banner for Novorossiya, and not for “certain regions” for some unknown reason .
    I was extremely irritated by Igor Korotchenko’s pretentious statement; he accused Strelkov of betrayal: “There should be one principle: my country - Russia - is ALWAYS right. To wish for the defeat of your army is a betrayal. The Ukrainian press with anti-Russian gloating and joyfully quotes Strelkov. This means that a man says and does the wrong thing!"
    I watch how these “status patriots” are now self-confidently (“categorically and confidently” like Sharikov) making their judgments about Strelkov and Donbass, which in fact are not their own, that is, not independent, but for some reason are always strictly synchronized with the “general line of the party "(which line tends to change). The sayings of the “status patriots” are picked up on the fly by the “network patriots”, who immediately began to shout in unison - “Strelkov EVERYTHING”, “the colonel is blown away”, etc. A year ago they expressed extraordinary delight and affection for the “new Suvorov,” and now they wittily compare Strelkov with Lenin or Vlasov.
    1. +2
      23 October 2015 11: 27
      Continuation of the note here: https://m.vk.com/wall-57424472_78475 In principle, dear moderators, if desired, can submit it as a separate article for discussion.
    2. -3
      23 October 2015 13: 52
      We found a defender...

      Zhuchkovsky: “Live, prosper... and destroy the Russian Federation!”
      http://ruskom.livejournal.com/627885.html
  65. -4
    23 October 2015 11: 24
    Oh, soon the church of “Strelkov’s Witnesses” will appear and I will carry the message throughout Rus' and read the gospel of Saints Kassad and El Murid.
  66. +10
    23 October 2015 11: 40
    I don’t think that Strelkov was bought or that he changed his worldview. Strelkov is a soldier and looks at the war in his own way, while more or less realistically assessing the state of affairs both in the Donbass and in Syria. As for me, let him cut the truth rather than dance under someone’s then the pipe.
  67. -2
    23 October 2015 11: 49
    That shooter again! Yes, as much as possible!
  68. Stepan stepanovich
    +9
    23 October 2015 11: 54
    Title
    It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong about Strelkov?
    -throwing shit on the fan.
    To wish for the defeat of your army is treason.

    Who's there wish defeat of your army? In which place? I read it carefully and didn’t find it!
    I collected some crap, mixed it up, added a title =
    It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong about Strelkov?
  69. +7
    23 October 2015 11: 55
    By and large, the issue is not Strelkov. He is a man, he may be a hero, he may make mistakes somewhere. The question is the Russian idea, as soon as it is raised, a legion of Kurginyans, Starikovs, Surkovs and several hundred more names are heard. The answer is simple - if the Russian idea wins, this rat oligarchic little world will by definition go to hell. And Strelkov is one of many, many of whom are already in their graves...
  70. +2
    23 October 2015 11: 58
    Muddy things are going on around this Girkin. And he himself doesn’t specifically watch his words...
  71. -1
    23 October 2015 11: 59
    I don’t know who had any doubts about Strelkov, but for me he was always Girkin. He doesn’t look like Strelkov... It’s obvious that the man thinks about his own political weight. He doesn't give a damn about Russia. Fortunately, he himself confirmed this not only with his statements, but also with the people with whom he began to associate. In general, there is nothing to discuss. If only I could write less about this insignificant person, everyone will forget about him in an instant. negative
  72. 0
    23 October 2015 12: 09
    Any revolution, rebellion, riot brings out its heroes. They are distinguished by: a lack of fundamental knowledge in the field of activity they lead, personal charisma, courage, and luck. Behind them are confused people who are ready to follow anyone who says that they know where to go and what will happen ahead. all successes are appropriated by the leader, all defeats are blamed on: the people, betrayal (i.e., the reluctance of some population groups, leaders and entire countries to dance to the tune of the new hero). Then, when impudence alone becomes not enough, i.e. when professionals from both sides get involved, then the hero is either neatly taken down by his own, or he leaves for his ethnic homeland. there, he, accustomed to commanding and feeling important to Choibolsan, becomes a private person and not needed by anyone. It is a face that is upset because it is absolutely not ready to return to ordinary life with its trips to the store and throwing out garbage. Well, he starts giving interviews and intimidating. talk outright nonsense, etc. Notice me, give me a division and I will reach..... Kyiv, Moscow, Paris.... well, remember those nonsense and prophecies that Mr. Girkin spoke on this site. How many times had he already buried everyone, how many times had the crests already launched a decisive offensive, in which the militias without Field Marshal Girkin had no chance. You all actively commented on him - they say that such and such a hero will not betray him, he already knows everything.... Why discuss him? In time, the Girkins are gone, and irrevocably. And the crests, in the same way, are disposing of their heroic psychopaths and will again start asking us for dough to talk about brotherhood and a united people. And we will give it again.
  73. 0
    23 October 2015 12: 19
    Xx these experts are not on the central TV channels. Or?
  74. -2
    23 October 2015 13: 45
    People, call a spade a spade - Strelkov is a provocateur. He was, and he remains.
  75. +3
    23 October 2015 14: 00
    But I wonder why Kurginyan didn’t go to fight at the checkpoint in Slavyansk, but preferred to fight on the couch in the studio of the Rossiya1 channel?

    Probably because they didn’t shoot there!
    1. -5
      23 October 2015 14: 08
      The combat detachment of his organization “Essence of Time” in the Donbass has been taking part in the fighting from the very beginning.

      And Kurginyan brought the accusation against Strelkov-Girkin for the surrender of Slavyansk while in Donetsk, and not in the “studio of the Rossiya1 channel.”
      1. +2
        28 October 2015 10: 50
        And Kurginyan brought the accusation against Strelkov-Girkin for the surrender of Slavyansk while in Donetsk, and not in the “studio of the Rossiya1 channel.”

        Why did he come, what did he want to do, what did he do and when did he leave, this gentleman?
        On whose behalf did he accuse, who sent him, who gave him authority, what kind of authority, what government position did he hold at that time and what government position does he hold now, was he a military man, was he on the front line? I don’t have answers to these questions, it’s a complete mystery.
        ---------
        Probably these are all the questions that a smart and conscientious person should ask himself.
        There are a lot of military people on this site. Imagine that during the fighting, Ilya Ehrenburg came, there was such a publicist and told you, go ahead, attack. All of Strelkov’s critics will immediately go on the attack, judging by the numerous comments...
        But I would arrest such an adviser.
  76. +1
    23 October 2015 14: 28
    The principle should be one: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS.

    Strongly reminiscent of one well-known saying - point 1 - the commander is always right. If the commander is wrong, see point 1. Who is the commander? Human. And as you know, every person makes mistakes.

    Russia is also led by people. Which can also be wrong. But their mistakes can be very costly for the entire country.

    I'm reading a book now called "Tsushima". Author - Alexey Silych Novikov-Priboy. A direct participant in the events of the Battle of Tsushima. He served on the battleship "Eagle", which was part of the 2nd Pacific Squadron, as a battalionman.
    This is how it describes the commander of the 2nd Pacific Squadron of the Russian Imperial Navy, Vice Admiral Rozhdestvensky. Who also conceited himself that he is always right.

    On May 14, 1905, the Japanese fleet attacked Rozhestvensky's squadron in the Tsushima Strait (see Battle of Tsushima). During the battle, the flagship "Prince Suvorov" was disabled and sunk, and the vice admiral himself was seriously wounded in the head. Control of the squadron was lost 20 minutes after the start of the battle. By the morning of May 15, the Second Pacific Squadron ceased to exist. The destroyer Bedovy, which carried the wounded Rozhdestvensky and other wounded Russian officers, was surrendered to the Japanese and later served in the Imperial Navy (Japanese).
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Рожественский,_Зиновий_Пет
    1. +1
      23 October 2015 14: 30
      A good lesson for those who cry and those who like to yell at every corner - we are always right.
  77. +5
    23 October 2015 14: 29
    Unfortunately, history repeats itself.
    “The revolution is prepared by geniuses, carried out by fanatics, and its fruits are enjoyed by scoundrels.”
    In the case of Novorossiya, there were no geniuses planning a liberation movement. Strelkov said that the promises remained promises, which led to a protracted conflict and numerous casualties...
    Is Strelkov a fanatic? For whom, how.... But to evaluate him by whether he likes him or not is, to say the least, frivolous. If we evaluate by his deeds, then he has already remained in HISTORY as a fighter for the life and freedom of the people of Lugansk and Donbass!
    As for the crooks, the list will not end with only Korotchenko and Kurginyan. There are many more of them! Even now, at the very top, they are looking for benefits for themselves, trading in the lives and freedom of residents of the LPR and DPR. Well, how can you evaluate the decision of the management of the largest Russian banks to allocate two billion dollars to their subsidiary banks operating in Ukraine?
    Regarding Atalef’s question: “What has Russia forgotten in Syria?” (apparently, Putin’s official response about supporting the sovereignty of Syria did not satisfy him, like many).
    I believe that Mama_Cholli closest to the truth. The struggle for control over resources. IS smuggled oil “for cheap” through Turkey, which caused its price to fall. And this is an undermining of the unfortunate economy of our country, directly related to it.
    A few words on the topic "The plaster is removed, the client is leaving"....
    There are forces in Syria interested in defeating ISIS. This will entail changing the map of the entire region. And it’s good that Russia at this time will not remain on the sidelines of historical events.
    1. -3
      23 October 2015 16: 07
      Quote: piston
      IS smuggled oil “for cheap” through Turkey, which caused its price to fall.

      do you believe in this nonsense?
  78. +4
    23 October 2015 15: 11
    Russia is always right when everything is done honestly and openly. But the current and past temporary cunning planners who rule Russia were very, very often mistaken. Confusing cold with soft is the signature style of Kurginyan and his sectarians.
    1. -1
      23 October 2015 19: 27
      Americans say that America is always right. The Austrians say that Austria is always right. The Irish say that Ireland is always right. Russians say that Russia is always right...
      Who to believe? What to do? Who is guilty?
  79. +5
    23 October 2015 15: 25
    Auto RU

    “We are talking about the statement of Igor Korotchenko, who can only be accused of unpatriotism by a person who does not know him.”

    I do not know this person. What should I do?

    Who to believe?
  80. +3
    23 October 2015 16: 24
    Another disgusting custom article, everything is like a carbon copy: publication early in the morning (while most ordinary readers are sleeping); throwing in a wild number of negative comments and comments leading away from the discussion (note how the tone of the comments changes as ordinary readers connect), and the job is done - the average person saw the article, and there, “Mama, don’t worry,” everyone is branding the traitor Girkin, here a crazy thought creeps up: “What if he’s really bad and went to defend the Russian world just as a diversion, not like the heroic Kurginyan, he even took a photo next to the machine gun.” The purpose of the article is to smear a potential political opponent with mud, so that the throne does not seem like a dwarf, and so that the one on the throne looks like the only uncontested option. Strelkov, unlike others, personally defended his homeland and has the right to his own position, even if it differs from the official one.
    1. -3
      23 October 2015 20: 06
      Vlasov also defended his homeland, Girkind has a white-ribbon friend, a murid, who pours slop on the country and misinformation for the mentally disabled, at whose house crests hang out in droves and rejoice in his writings, Girkind is already starting to pour almost the same thing, like, in the Crimea, we forced everyone there to vote with automatic machines and other nonsense, useful for our enemies. In general, Girkind is a hero, for those whose brains revolve around one gyrus =)
  81. +3
    23 October 2015 17: 14
    What hinders Strelkov is his excessive intelligence. We need to be tougher in discussions.
  82. +8
    23 October 2015 17: 21
    )))

    They accuse a person of saying what he thinks on a specific issue. An issue that he started and dealt with personally. They accuse him with the words of I. Korotchenko, who is a colonel of two (!) law enforcement agencies (essentially utter stupidity and nonsense), who was imprisoned on the couch and giving interviews left and right.
    As a military expert, Korotchenko is very mediocre, who sometimes says such nonsense that you even have to wonder whether this person was really in any way connected with military affairs.
  83. +1
    23 October 2015 17: 47
    [quote=Igor39]Girkin imagines himself to be a strategist and politician, he smacks of liberal...[/quote} I don’t consider myself to be a liberal mold, but I must say that from the above quotes such a conclusion cannot be drawn (in my opinion). I want to note that there was a time - Strelkov was on our board - but let’s not draw conclusions, there is too much muddiness in this whole story.
  84. +3
    23 October 2015 17: 52
    Everything is like in Ukrosmi, it makes me really happy. Thanks to YOU, I began to believe Putin, a little more and I will begin to believe Lenin and Stalin.

    LIBERALS STOP BEATING!!!!!
  85. +5
    23 October 2015 18: 02
    minus the article!
    for this phrase!
    Author Roman Skomorokhov
    So maybe Kurginyan was not so wrong about Girkin-Strelkov in his time?

    think about it! How can you possibly take the words of this sofa babble seriously after this pretentious production video!
    Strelkov! - whatever they say about him, along with his mistakes and shortcomings, he really is a HERO! with arms in hand, he was not afraid to fight for the ideals of Russia for the Russian world for the rebel people of Donbass, while this empty-bellied Kuryakin mumbler with the smart look of an experienced professor told us nonsense, sitting with pink machine guns on the sofa in the studio, accusing a real military officer of treason! ! YES THIS IS utter nonsense! nonsense and nonsense rolled into one!!!! Yes, I won’t believe a single word in my life anymore, no matter what kind of nonsense he no longer broadcasts from the screens with a smart look! he just reeks of the corruption of the pitiful soul Kamu wants! and go to hell... who else is trying to justify him! In my memory, Strelkov will forever remain a hero of Donbass, period! having put together the strongest army in Slovyansk from scratch, there is still malnourished peace for the entire Ukrainian National Guard! and without him, nothing would have happened at all! and Khodokovsky and the fur-bearing animals would definitely try to drain everything to Akhmetov’s joy! and it’s not his fault that Moscow, for some reason only known to it, never supported him!
  86. +3
    23 October 2015 18: 09
    What is the echo of the matzah, that the Israelis are driving only rotten nonsense.
  87. -5
    23 October 2015 18: 35
    Strelkov/Girkin escaped from Novorossiya, but still dreams of the glory of Napoleon...
    1. 0
      28 October 2015 10: 27
      It’s more likely that he didn’t “escap”, but was removed from there. He did a lot of bad things there, they still can’t clean it up. And we will reap the fruits of what he did there for a long time to come.
  88. +3
    23 October 2015 19: 08
    Quote: regressSSSR
    minus the article!
    for this phrase!
    Author Roman Skomorokhov
    So maybe Kurginyan was not so wrong about Girkin-Strelkov in his time?

    think about it! How can you possibly take the words of this sofa babble seriously after this pretentious production video!
    Strelkov! - whatever they say about him, along with his mistakes and shortcomings, he really is a HERO! with arms in hand, he was not afraid to fight for the ideals of Russia for the Russian world for the rebel people of Donbass, while this empty-bellied Kuryakin mumbler with the smart look of an experienced professor told us nonsense, sitting with pink machine guns on the sofa in the studio, accusing a real military officer of treason! ! YES THIS IS utter nonsense! nonsense and nonsense rolled into one!!!! Yes, I won’t believe a single word in my life anymore, no matter what kind of nonsense he no longer broadcasts from the screens with a smart look! he just reeks of the corruption of the pitiful soul Kamu wants! and go to hell... who else is trying to justify him! In my memory, Strelkov will forever remain a hero of Donbass, period! having put together the strongest army in Slovyansk from scratch, there is still malnourished peace for the entire Ukrainian National Guard! and without him, nothing would have happened at all! and Khodokovsky and the fur-bearing animals would definitely try to drain everything to Akhmetov’s joy! and it’s not his fault that Moscow, for some reason only known to it, never supported him!

    Thank you for your comment! They expressed what was really painful!
    1. +1
      23 October 2015 19: 44
      Among the bandits and robbers, there were also people who defended their homeland in hot spots and received medals for this, the past does not matter when assessing the present.
      1. 0
        25 October 2015 19: 35
        quote from article
        EL_STUDENT
        Does Assad understand this? Of course. But he is in exactly the same situation as Strelkov: a step to the right and left, the slightest independence - and a call will immediately follow from Moscow: do you not need our help anymore? Well then, right now we are taking off and flying home, sort it out here yourself. Strelkova was blackmailed in the same way - either you leave, or we close even that frail brook that drips across the border. I attended one such conversation. What did Strelkov say - I didn’t hear, but according to the answers and remarks of Igor himself it was not difficult to understand what was being discussed. The technology is exactly the same, why invent something?

        A month after Strelkov left, the same people who admired his heroism and pasted his photo on their avatars began to splash mud on the theme: "He ran away!" "He left everyone!" "He betrayed!", "He surrendered Slavyansk!" Interestingly, after what time will the same ones begin to pour mud on Assad? But if they start, they won't go anywhere.

        source
        http://el-murid.livejournal.com
        think about it!
  89. +4
    23 October 2015 19: 51
    It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong about Strelkov?
    No, it doesn't work. It doesn't work out...
  90. +5
    23 October 2015 20: 16
    I know Strelkov as a defender of Donbass. Kurginyan, etc. There is no desire to know the door of the balls in the world. The audience is too slimy.
    1. -3
      23 October 2015 20: 26
      It’s in vain that in the article they mentioned this city madman Kurginyan, an unnecessary shift from the destructive activities of Girkind goes on to talk about Kurginyan and other nonsense.
  91. +2
    23 October 2015 20: 25
    I read a couple of paragraphs, Skomorokhov immediately understood, I finished reading, and that’s it.
    I watched Strelkov’s interview with Kalashnikov (only pseudonyms) carefully, spat at the monitor and swore, I decided to watch and listen to these figures more, there is no extra time.
    As for Kurginyan, here it is, as usual, a fly in the ointment from Skomorokhov. Does the author want to convince us that Kurginyan is a good guy? Let's all believe together, otherwise the guy screwed up in a bad way, but he still has such a resource of love for his homeland and people, well, let's wash off his comrade.
  92. +3
    23 October 2015 20: 57
    The “Political Review” has now published an appeal “Novorossiya needs volunteers.” Exactly what Strelkov said in his addresses in the spring and summer of 2014. Wow, the hated liberal traitor is still being quoted. He’s probably a commander, but how right he was...
  93. -2
    23 October 2015 21: 01
    Look at the map - Slavyansk covered Donetsk. If it were not for the sudden and unexpected surrender of Slavyansk, the situation in Donetsk and Lugansk would have been better. Draw conclusions.
  94. +1
    23 October 2015 21: 11
    I didn't even read the thread. But Strelok was there at the most critical moment, and commanded based on what he had. But there was NO FUCK, there was no military trade then. And no one has yet really refuted his vision of things then - the interview. Just attacks and a struggle of excuses. sad
    Well, to Roman - Respect! You would try to go for a ride yourself, help us collect and deliver... This is just an article for thought, not a statement.
    Forum members, respect the Author, HE TRIED!
  95. -1
    23 October 2015 21: 12
    How tired they all are, with their Ukraine, with their Girkin.
  96. 0
    23 October 2015 21: 40
    For comparison
  97. +2
    23 October 2015 22: 51
    Quote: _Vladislav_
    And as for the Cold War. It was just that the Soviet Union was forced into an arms race, which he and his economy could not win. The union broke up, but invaluable experience was gained. As a result, today, the USA uses exactly the same tool, but today it does not work very well.


    Why are you retelling these fables, come on, read the economic primer first. A high military budget is a plus (I mean the times of the USSR), just like everything else, this is what the United States tried to eliminate first of all
    the cause of any disintegration is greed (bribery-betrayal) and the thirst for power at any cost (internecine strife, struggle for power) - this has always been and is the favorite method of Western “allies” at all times.
    You can read the history of “Russia/USSR/Rus” and study the reasons during the period of weakening/half-life of the country starting from the 17th century. Everything is banal and simple.
    The rest is propaganda, fiction, illustrations
  98. +2
    23 October 2015 22: 52
    this is the opinion of the militia
  99. +3
    23 October 2015 23: 34
    With all due respect to Igor Yuryevich, I want to note that apart from “zvizdezh”, sometimes called stories, sometimes analysis, he did nothing useful either for Donbass or for Syria. The same cannot be said about Strelkov. He is not a god (and even gods have made mistakes) and he has his own vision of the processes taking place in the world. And he has the right to give any comments, like any other free citizen of Russia. And his practical contribution in the struggle for the Russian people, for the Russian idea, is widely known. I am not a fan of Strelkov, but I saw him in combat conditions in the Donbass. And I can report with responsibility that people will follow him. but hardly for Korotchenko. This is where you need to dance. And stop poisoning Igor Ivanovich. The future belongs to people like him.
  100. -2
    24 October 2015 00: 01
    Article plus. The patriotism of I. Korotchenko and R. Skomorokhov “does not raise any special doubts.” Sorry, I used the Author's wording. However, the time is now, we must say directly that we have to each other, there is no time to be nice.

    Please look at the diagram:

    1. I. Korotchenko is a patriot, an intellectual who holds moderately anti-Soviet views.
    2. R. Skomorokhov is a patriot, an intellectual, for whom the reliability of I. Korotchenko is firmly established. And of course, from Skomorokhov’s point of view, Korotchenko’s reliability is higher than Kurginyan’s.
    3. The words of the “dubious” Kurginyan have no independent meaning, and deserve consideration from R. Skomorokhov only if they correlate with the statement of the “reliable” Korotchenko: “It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong in relation to Strelkov?”
    4. Yes, it turns out that way, but only because Korotchenko spoke in a similar way.

    The scheme is finished, so where is the normality here, I ask, where is the normality?!!!

    Quote: “Actually, it’s no wonder that Korotchenko was so indignant. A normal reaction of a normal patriot. I hope the readers will not deny this to Igor Yuryevich?” Why did three quarters of the reading community in 2014 refuse such a reaction to Sergei Ervandovich? Didn't he come out with his snout? Maybe R. Skomorokhov can explain it to me?

    The conclusion suggests itself: Kurginyan is perceived by the majority of the patriotic intellectual community on an emotional level, but not on a rational one. Kurginyan's rational argumentation passes by their consciousness. Being presented, it (the argumentation) at the first moment causes a spontaneous outburst of indignation and denial - well, I don’t like it and that’s it!!! - the ability to perceive reality returns after time. This is bad. It’s bad if awareness of reality is achieved with such internal effort and such a waste of time. Think about what could happen to Russia given such a slow reaction of our intellectual community to emerging threats?

    I would like to note to the Author that “The Normal Reaction of a Normal Patriot” was more than a year late. This reaction would have been very useful in July-August 2014. Only Kurginyan acted promptly and accurately at that time; the rest remained silent or hurled thunder and lightning at him. If Kurginyan had not intervened then, Girkin’s antics would have cost us all dearly. But the article is still a plus, the recognition of R. Skomorokhov, although belated, is better late than never.

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