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It turns out that Kurginyan was not so wrong about Strelkov?

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It is difficult to count how many copies and feathers were broken in relation to the Kurginyan-Strelkov / Girkin collision. It is possible that in some moments the speakers criticizing Kurginyan were right about the essence of the Essence of Times movement, but the fact that the movement worked and does not harm Novorossia, but for its own benefit, does not cause any special doubts. For goods in LDNR still come.


But we are not talking about Kurginyan, oddly enough. It will be a question of the statement of Igor Korotchenko, who can only be accused of being unpatriotic if he does not know him. Or a sectarian who had created an idol in the form of a photo of a man in camouflage on the wall, in spite of his holy scripture.

So, Igor Korotchenko said in his characteristic manner that Igor Strelkov's interview about the Novorossia project was a betrayal of Russia.

“There should be one principle: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS. To desire the defeat of your army is a betrayal. The Ukrainian press with anti-Russian gloating and happily quotes Strelkova. So a man says and does something wrong! ”

Korochenko explains his indignation at the conclusions Strelkov made in an interview with one of the TV channels. True, "Roy TV" TV channel is difficult to call, but nonetheless. If someone wants to understand thoroughly what caused such a negative on the part of the respected Igor Yuryevich, he will be able to watch an hour and a half of the vangovaniye of Strelkov and El-Murid. Or Girkin and Nesmiyana. Who is more convenient.



Just a few quotes from Mr. Girkin recorded during the transfer.

"Russia in Syria, except for defeat, does not shine. Moscow has neither material nor human resources to get out of Syrian porridge without burns."

"In this war, it is generally impossible to win a final victory, and defeat will be very likely. In addition, after a while it will turn out that the invested resources" go nowhere ", both material and human. And thirdly, the moral effect of defeat "Rastiarennoy" war will affect the situation inside the country. "

"The Moscow bosses have" deliberately degraded "divisions of the armies of people's republics and brought them to an incapable state."

"The Syrian war has a direct bearing on Novorossia. After losing in Syria, Russia will lose Novorossia. After losing, Novorossia will lose Crimea. The loss of Crimea is the beginning of the collapse of Russia."

"We cannot win with the available forces and means in Syria, in the conditions of the confrontation between the United States and Ukraine. This threatens with the greatest military-political defeat."

Basically, enough. If someone wants more - please. Personally, I had enough. When discussing the issue of recruiting mercenaries in the Donbas, the references to Ekho Moskvy and Business FM were especially impressed. And the mention in the context of the speeches of the words "Russia", "Moscow", "Kremlin", "Moscow heads". Strange branch. It turns out that Girkin is a patriot, but as if detached from Moscow, Russia and others.

Actually, it is not surprising that Korotchenko was so indignant. The normal reaction of a normal patriot. I hope the readers will not deny this to Igor Yuryevich?

At least, ukroSMI Igor Korotchenko not quoted. But Igor Girkin - already. And the further, the more willing. Of course, in Ukraine, anyone will be quoted if he predicts the collapse of Russia. So today Girkin is really in trend. At least, the Internet resources began to pay attention to him. And even deputies Glad to quote and comment.

Good is not enough. In principle, the people have become accustomed to Girkin’s statements on the topic “everything is lost, and we will all die”. But while it concerned only Donbass, still fine. It seems like a person in the subject. Was at least. But Donbass, so many times already buried by Girkin, is still alive. Yes, the situation there is not delightful, but far from the predictions of Igor Vsevolodovich. And frank funeral klikuschestva really begin to strain.

To any thinking and sober-minded person it is clear that the conflict in Syria cannot be stopped in a month or two. A civil war on a religious platform is not a conflict between two organized crime groups sharing spheres of influence. This is a long time. But where does the Russian army?

Igor, who Korotchenko, really plows on the information front just on the side of the Russian army. Telling, showing, analyzing. And really is in this area a connoisseur and authority. Yes, and a patriot. For it is impossible, without being it, day after day to inform those who read, look and listen, that our army is becoming like in the song. Enduring and legendary. And his reproaches to the namesake, which Girkin, and relevant, and fair.

So maybe Kurginyan was not so wrong about Girkin-Strelkov in his time?
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  1. Igor39
    Igor39 23 October 2015 06: 26 New
    +18
    Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...
    1. beitar
      beitar 23 October 2015 06: 53 New
      -41
      And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?
      1. Jack-b
        Jack-b 23 October 2015 07: 02 New
        +20
        The situation is stable. Or are there doubts? Drive look. You tell us. Or do you really want to be merged?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 14 New
          +40
          Quote: Jack-B
          The situation is stable.

          There is no stability there.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 23 October 2015 08: 00 New
            +50
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There is no stability there.


            lack of stability is also stability .. don’t catch the wave of Sanya .. Hello ... Besides humanitarian aid, caravans from local wagons go in two by three cars .. what they shoot is already so fired, if refugees start skiing home, it’s not so bad. There is no doubt that Minsk will not do so in Kiev, and it is precisely on this that our emphasis is being made, for then the land near Kiev will go underfoot .. they don’t want to carry out federalization, half-life will come laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 27 New
              +30
              Quote: vorobey

              lack of stability is also stability.

              Hi Sanya! Now our 90s are there, I can’t call it stability. Chaos and chaos are redistributed. By and large, those who were in power are in power there. Surnames are the same as in 2013, with very few exceptions.
              Quote: vorobey
              There is no doubt that Kiev Minsk will not do so

              Washington Sanya Washington.
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 10: 37 New
                +50
                "In this war, it is generally impossible to win a final victory, and defeat will be very probable. In addition, after a while it will turn out that the invested resources" will go nowhere ", both material and human. And thirdly, the moral effect of the defeat in "PR" war will affect the situation inside the country. "

                Syria is a control (political and economic) hub. His loss is a big advantage in the direction of the enemy (USA) with very bad consequences for the Russian Federation. P.E. it is necessary to fight for him in any case, regardless of victory or defeat. And the point here is not only the terrorists who will later come to the Caucasus.

                In addition, the Russian Army is the second most powerful army in the world. Why does it exist? Is it not in order to protect the interests of the country, not only domestically, but also abroad.

                And if you talk like that, then you wouldn’t have to fight with Hitler, but surrender right away (otherwise losses are all things ...).
                1. Mahmut
                  Mahmut 23 October 2015 14: 01 New
                  +22
                  I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot. A true patriot should always scream outright and do a pang in any situation. The phrases cited in the article do belong to Strelkov, but are taken out of the context of his reasoning. Yes, geopolitics is weak, the logic of reasoning is often lame, fears and fears are exaggerated. But who then accuses him of indifference to the fate of Russia, New Russia or the Crimea?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 October 2015 14: 11 New
                    -17
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot.

                    but how, many people believe that patriotism is what power does
                    1. vlad.svargin
                      vlad.svargin 24 October 2015 07: 45 New
                      0
                      atalef (9)
                      but how, many people believe that patriotism is what power does

                      The author answered you:
                      At least, ukroSMI Igor Korotchenko not quoted. But Igor Girkin - already. And the further, the more willing. Of course, in Ukraine, anyone will be quoted if he predicts the collapse of Russia. So today Girkin is really in trend. At least, the Internet resources began to pay attention to him. And even deputies Glad to quote and comment.

                      If the statements of the patriot are used as an argument in propaganda against Russia, then this is already a “bear service”. What Girkin did for Novorossia is his honor and praise, but even in retirement one must remain a patriot of Russia. Especially if the actions of the authorities in foreign policy are supported by the overwhelming majority of Russia.
                      1. Karlovar
                        Karlovar 24 October 2015 14: 37 New
                        0
                        Not in vain, it means that Girkin-Strelkov was squeezed out of LDNR ... So the bulo, for sho ....
                    2. fyvaprold
                      fyvaprold 25 October 2015 23: 50 New
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      but how, many people believe that patriotism is what power does

                      Patriotism is what “power” does for the good of the people. And do not consider people in a foreign country more stupid than yourself, "all-understanding."
                  2. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 23 October 2015 15: 34 New
                    -1
                    Mahmut

                    If taken out of context, then any meaning can be given.

                    It’s always difficult to wang. Often there is not enough information to draw conclusions. The scales may lean in favor of information during the day. And within a week, all the vangs can look like a laughing stock.

                    The author in the course of the game began to burn males. Whoever beats his chest harder has the biggest male.
                    1. SPLV
                      SPLV 24 October 2015 10: 12 New
                      0
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      It’s always difficult to wang.

                      Yes Yes. Fob and psakat much easier. But speaking and writing in Russian is generally tin, how difficult.
                  3. Yars
                    Yars 23 October 2015 15: 59 New
                    -5
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot. A true patriot should always scream outright and do a pang in any situation. The phrases cited in the article do belong to Strelkov, but are taken out of the context of his reasoning. Yes, geopolitics is weak, the logic of reasoning is often lame, fears and fears are exaggerated. But who then accuses him of indifference to the fate of Russia, New Russia or the Crimea?

                    he doesn’t give a damn about Novorossia, they set the wrong tasks for him ....
                    1. Rusich is not from Kiev
                      Rusich is not from Kiev 23 October 2015 16: 29 New
                      -3
                      Quote: YARS
                      he doesn’t give a damn about Novorossia, they set the wrong tasks for him ....

                      It is a pity that local pseudo-patriots do not understand this.
                  4. Rusich is not from Kiev
                    Rusich is not from Kiev 23 October 2015 16: 25 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    I do not understand this logic. So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot.

                    Well, the fact is that this “patriot” used to say that if we abandon Syria, then we will lose everything. Now everything is as if the opposite.

                    Girkin is not a sofa warrior, but a man whose words are quoted abroad and who served in the FSB. Such nonsense can only be said by a pacifist or a person of small mind. For me, everything is so clear, a person also needs to live on something like these words and a contradiction to himself.
                    1. Awaz
                      Awaz 24 October 2015 19: 23 New
                      +1
                      in general, it cannot be ruled out that he went to Slavyansk at someone's direction. And this pointer was definitely not from the Kremlin. I personally try not to hang up labels, but Strelkov’s statements have been hindering me for a long time. I don’t know what prompts him to say this, but I agree that this is not right. On the other hand, no matter how the Western press and Ukrainians did not react to his words, he has no direct influence whatsoever on the situation. In some cases, his words can generally be perceived as a game, but probably here I am very mistaken. Probably these are all character traits.
                      Personally, I would not dramatize the situation, although listening to this is unpleasant
                    2. Peterhof 73
                      Peterhof 73 24 October 2015 20: 33 New
                      -2
                      This is what happens when two in one. In Slavyansk, he is Russian Strelkov. And on shit-TV he ... Girkin. Well, that’s it.
                  5. Baloo
                    Baloo 23 October 2015 19: 28 New
                    +13
                    So, Igor Korotchenko said in his characteristic manner that Igor Strelkov's interview about the Novorossia project was a betrayal of Russia.
                    “There should be one principle: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS. To desire the defeat of your army is a betrayal. The Ukrainian press with anti-Russian gloating and happily quotes Strelkova. So a man says and does something wrong! ”
                    good
                    My opinion in this case coincides with the opinion of Korotchenko.
                    Why does Strelkov distrust me? After his dismissal from the FSB, Strelkov worked in the protection of the Orthodox oligarch Malofeev, who has a strange partner, an American Baptist billionaire. Whether it was Malofeev’s attempt to squeeze Donbass from Akhmetov will someday become clear. So far, I see clearly that they tried to drag Russia into a confrontation with NATO in Ukraine, where the role of consumables is intended for Ukrainians. and it happened, only instead of NATO mercenaries and other rabble.
                    Surprised by the former curator of Strelkov, the KGB major general, who has a major son of the US Armed Forces. Strange compote. Let's wait.
                    The war in Syria is not just a gang of scumbags. I support everything that has been said about this GDP. hi Wait and see who is right.
                  6. Rastas
                    Rastas 23 October 2015 21: 18 New
                    +2
                    You're right. I also do not understand why Girkin can not express his opinion. I do not respect his views of the White Guard, but he is a patriot of Russia and has the right to express his opinion. The trouble is that in today's Russia, patriots are those who shout louder cheers, sneaks, lackeys and slimes of all sorts. Moreover, in the words of Girkin there are smart thoughts.
                  7. fyvaprold
                    fyvaprold 25 October 2015 23: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mahmut
                    So if a patriot begins to express doubts and concerns, this is no longer a patriot.

                    I don’t know your criteria for patriotism, but Girkin always "played for himself." Patriotism is love for the Motherland and, accordingly, respect, or even exaltation of the successes of one’s country, I have no doubt that Girkin loves Russia, but the principle is “good or bad, but this is my Motherland and I share her position and fate,” no one canceled for me at least. On this basis, Girkin’s patriotism is somewhat dubious and more reminiscent of self-PR. IMHO. With respect.
                2. Varyag_1973
                  Varyag_1973 23 October 2015 14: 34 New
                  +28
                  For Vladislav. The Russian army, in terms of budget and in numbers, can and does give the Americans first place, but it is by no means second! She was, is and will be - NUMBER ONE! The Americans in open combat clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 October 2015 14: 47 New
                    -37
                    Quote: Varyag_1973
                    The Americans in open military clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!

                    Well, you hurried with it somehow.
                    the arod is beating, emanating from the saliva, proving that the Americans are constantly unleashing wars, and you say that you did not win a single one.
                    And so the question is, what kind of a win did the USSR or Russia. List. What would be something to compare with.
                    Only WWII, Napoleon and the Tataromongols do not drag.
                    Say with 1946.
                    Best regards
                    1. Varyag_1973
                      Varyag_1973 23 October 2015 15: 20 New
                      +34
                      And what kind of war has the USSR waged since 1946, except for the Afghan ?! So in the Afghan war, the Soviet army completed all the tasks! To conquer Afghanistan, no one has set such a task!

                      Sorry, but respect you somehow not with your hands!
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 23 October 2015 15: 26 New
                        -21
                        Quote: Varyag_1973
                        And what kind of war has the USSR waged since 1946, except for the Afghan ?! So in the Afghan war, the Soviet army completed all the tasks!

                        All ? ie, you want to say that with the withdrawal from Afghanistan there remained a USSR-friendly regime?
                        Quote: Varyag_1973
                        Sorry, but respect you somehow not with your hands!

                        Yes, I don’t ask
                        you would answer the question. Do you want to list in relation to the USA how much and what they won by leaving and leaving behind them vassal regimes.
                      2. Rusich is not from Kiev
                        Rusich is not from Kiev 23 October 2015 16: 34 New
                        +12
                        Quote: atalef
                        All ? ie, you want to say that with the withdrawal from Afghanistan there remained a USSR-friendly regime?

                        Is not it so? Just then we stopped supplying, but the United States did not. The regime fell and then the Taliban came.
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 23 October 2015 15: 39 New
                      -23
                      The USSR waged wars that it did not win. There were "advisers" in Angola. In South Africa, they did something. They also abandoned everything and did not finish it. In my opinion, Mandela was seated on the throne. Well, you yourself know. There wikipedia should be infa. Plus minus is correct.
                    3. Homo
                      Homo 23 October 2015 16: 02 New
                      +29
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      The USSR waged wars that it did not win.

                      The USSR did not wage war; he took part in conflicts. And the result of conflicts does not always depend on military advisers and instructors. But two wars (Vietnam and Korea), the United States lost specifically!
                    4. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 26 New
                      +3
                      Homo

                      I accept the comment. You are right, absolutely.
              2. Yars
                Yars 23 October 2015 16: 02 New
                +8
                Quote: atalef
                Quote: Varyag_1973
                The Americans in open military clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!

                Well, you hurried with it somehow.
                the arod is beating, emanating from the saliva, proving that the Americans are constantly unleashing wars, and you say that you did not win a single one.
                And so the question is, what kind of a win did the USSR or Russia. List. What would be something to compare with.
                Only WWII, Napoleon and the Tataromongols do not drag.
                Say with 1946.
                Best regards

                "start wars" and "win wars" are two different things !!!
              3. vorobey
                vorobey 23 October 2015 16: 08 New
                +12
                Quote: atalef
                Well, you hurried with it somehow.


                Quote: atalef
                Say with 1946.


                Well, don’t turn on the fool Sanya ... the Korean War 50-53 where the USSR did not officially participate but the United States yes .. and they got bread from the Koreans and not from the USSR, although there were enough foxes ... The Vietnam War - there are veterans in Congress still can’t sit still, too, the USSR did not officially participate .. and also for some reason, the Americans wiped away in the end .. Cuba, Ethiopia. but we lost the cold war because we officially participated in it ... since then we have not officially participated anywhere ...
                1. _Vladislav_
                  _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 16: 36 New
                  -6
                  Quote: vorobey
                  since then we haven’t officially participated anywhere ...

                  Even as we participate, Syria for example, well, and 08.08.08 do not forget.

                  And as for the Cold War. It was just that the Soviet Union was forced into an arms race, which he and his economy could not win. The union broke up, but invaluable experience was gained. As a result, today, the USA uses exactly the same tool, but today it does not work very well.
                2. samuil60
                  samuil60 23 October 2015 18: 56 New
                  +22
                  Yes, the Union did not break up from the arms race! And from oil prices, too. The union was destroyed as a result of the direct betrayal of members of the top Communist Party and personally Mr. Gorbachev! And we all repeat the cliché of the liberals ... If the country had not been elementarily surrendered, the USSR would still exist, and there would be no present American mess in the world. But alas ... No army and no fortress can stand before the traitors.
                3. Baloo
                  Baloo 23 October 2015 19: 42 New
                  +12
                  In the last interview A, Kryuchkov told Karaulov:
                  -Returning from America, Gorbachev asked the Americans to arrange a meeting with the President Yu. Korea Rodeu so that Kryuchkov and Dobrynin would not recognize. The meeting at the airport was fruitful: cards for 100 thousand dollars. I tell him. Mish, will you hand over the cards to the cashier? then, then ...
                  - I come to him with documents on the recruitment of Yakovlev and Kalugin in the late 50s during an internship at Columbia University. And he told me, and you show Yakovlev ...
                  In the documentary about the collapse of the USSR, there is a fragment of an interview with one of the oldest neocons. American: I have enough fingers to count who we bought and after 8 years the Soviet Union collapsed. He said so: we bought them! Don’t you remember? First created a commodity-money deficit, undermined the budget-forming industries. In the Komsomol and other newspapers they wrote how the young men in leather jackets drove trains with goods to sidings. further under threat or for money everything was quickly overloaded. At the destination, the composition came empty or was completely dissolved in air.
                  And youth gangs? Kazan phenomenon "Tsyaplyap" was it only with us? Moreover, about what hierarchy in the gangs was discussed among citizens along with newcomers to cinema and TV. So the USSR was destroyed by traitors, I hate it.
                4. tank64rus
                  tank64rus 23 October 2015 20: 56 New
                  +9
                  I support all this is true. I myself saw cars with sausage and empty shelves. Aspen stake in them .. pu. It is necessary that the youth know them by the surnames of ALL of them. To be remembered as False Dmitry.
                5. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 23 October 2015 21: 30 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Balu
                  American: I have enough fingers to count who we bought and after 8 years the Soviet Union collapsed.

                  "... we spent $ 50 billion on the processes that occurred in the USSR ..." B. Clinton.
                  Quote: Balu
                  First created a commodity-money deficit, ...
                  whose ideologist was the future mayor of the capital - the pest economist G. Popov, his own technologies were the cause of the miners' strikes.
                  Quote: Balu
                  Don’t you remember? ...
                  Who knew, he will not forget and will know that as long as these shots remain unpunished, it means that someone needs and we cannot see a bright future either for us or our children. And someone did not know and did not want to know - because "the main thing was to destroy the communist system." The last statement has a bunch of authors, ending with Gorbachev.
                6. Karlovar
                  Karlovar 24 October 2015 14: 52 New
                  +2
                  How right now I remember the summer of 1990! Cigarettes disappeared in one night, as if by a wave of a hand! They were in the evening, already gone in the morning !!!! They evaporated ... And so for all the goods ... The situation with the "deficit" was obviously artificial ...
                7. Peterhof 73
                  Peterhof 73 24 October 2015 20: 44 New
                  0
                  Yes, I remember the summer of the 90th in training under Peter. So we smoked last year's “bull-calves” - self-roll stinky for a whole compartment. But the crest-battalioner (he had “prima” and “Berik”, so he didn’t give us, but he kept saying: “I can’t, I’m tilka to sebe and to commander pan.” Now, according to rumors, there were enough traitors in Bandera. is always.
                8. Baloo
                  Baloo 25 October 2015 21: 34 New
                  0
                  Our tobacco factory was jammed to the eyeballs with cigarettes, and in stores, the ball drove. They smoked some Cuban cigarettes and shag, yes shag! the factory was closed. Shevarnadze was then premiered. Here they say, the equipment is outdated, it is necessary to buy for currency and cigarettes urgently. Then the Finnish marlboro appeared on the free market, then disappeared. and the equipment that, thanks to Shevarnadze, was purchased, is it possible that a counterfeit marlboro, etc.
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 16: 46 New
          -6
          Quote: vorobey
          Well, don’t turn on the fool Sanya ... the Korean War 50-53 where the USSR did not officially participate but the United States yes .. and they got bread from the Koreans and not from the USSR, although there were enough lysicins there.

          Here, let's not drag in Korea, a million Chinese people have died there and the fate of the foxes.
          I’m talking about specific wars, when the Americans introduced their troops in the open, and not the participation of someone, somewhere,
          1950-1953 - war in Korea. About 350 thousand people, 1000 tanks, over 300 ships participated in the hostilities. The predominant part of the military contingent and military equipment provided the United States.

          April 1961 - an attempt of the American invasion of Cuba in the Playa Giron region in order to overthrow the government led by Fidel Castro.

          1965-1973 - the war in Vietnam. The largest use of US forces after World War II.

          1964-1973 - US armed operation in the fight against the Pathet Lao front in Laos. Over 50 thousand people participated.

          25 October 1983 - June 1985 - US military operation "Sudden Fury" in Grenada with the goal of overthrowing the left-wing government of the island nation.

          April 1986 - after the introduction of economic sanctions, the United States launched military actions against Libya. Residential areas of the cities of Tripoli and Benghazi were bombed.

          December 1989 - US military operation "Just Cause" in Panama in order to remove from power the country's leader Manuel Noriega, accused of drug trafficking and the promotion of terrorism.

          17 January - 28 February 1991 - the military operation of the United States and its allies to liberate Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, code-named "Desert Storm."

          1991-1995, 1998-1999 - Interethnic war in Yugoslavia and NATO aggression against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

          17 January 1993 - The United States launched a missile strike at an object located about 20 km from the center of Baghdad, where, according to Washington, work was underway to create nuclear weapons.

          26 June 1993 - The United States launched a missile attack on the main Iraqi intelligence command and control complex in Baghdad in response to Baghdad’s allegedly alleged plans to assassinate US President George W. Bush.

          3 September 1996 - The United States launched a cruise missile attack on Iraq after Iraqi forces conducted an operation against the Kurds in the Erbil area of ​​northern Iraq.

          20 August 1998 - a blow to the "terrorist targets" of Afghanistan and Sudan in response to terrorist acts against the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

          24 March 1999 Serbia - Operation "Allied Force". This historical review is especially interesting in terms of how the United States and Co. behaved in a situation where one independent country tried to pacify one self-proclaimed republic.

          7 October 2001 Afghanistan. The United States is conducting an operation in Afghanistan as part of Operation Enduring Freedom, allegedly launched in response to the September 11 terrorist act of 2001.

          20 March 2003 Iraq war - a military conflict that began with the invasion of US forces and their allies in Iraq, with the aim of overthrowing the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was codenamed Iraqi Freedom

          August 2008 of the year. Armed conflict in South Ossetia. A failed US attempt to start a war with Russia using Georgia.

          19 March 2011 year. The war in Libya. Under a far-fetched and deceitful pretext, they created an excuse for invading Libya.
          .
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 23 October 2015 16: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          Let’s not drag in Korea, a million Chinese people have died there and the fate of the Licensines. I’m talking about specific wars, when the Americans introduced their troops, in the open, and not the participation of someone, somewhere

          Quote: atalef
          , proving that the Americans constantly wage war, and you say that you didn’t win a single one. And so the question is, what kind of USSR or Russia did you win? list. What would be nothing to compare with. Just don’t drag in WWII, Napoleon and Tatars, let's say since 1946 .Yours faithfully


          Sanya, why this list ... Bring the list of the USSR in what wars participated .. 200000 military Buryats in Ukraine does not count.
        4. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 16: 59 New
          -15
          Quote: vorobey
          Sanya, why this list ... Bring the list of the USSR in what wars participated .. 200000 military Buryats in Ukraine does not count.

          Yes, you yourself know them
          Wars in the middle east
          Afgan
          Abkhazia - war laughing
          --- Well, everything seems to be. request
          Which of them can be called successful?
        5. vorobey
          vorobey 23 October 2015 17: 24 New
          +12
          Quote: atalef
          Wars in the middle east


          where in the Middle East we officially fought and with whom ... well, at least you are not a star pain ..

          why do you dislike Abkhazia ...

          And the Afghan ... the Americans against us deployed a whole car there and the instructors and the supply of weapons .... and so ... and for ten years we have 3500 losses given that we do not bother them ..
        6. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 17: 32 New
          -12
          Quote: vorobey
          de in the Middle East, we officially and with whom fought ... well, at least you are not a star pain

          Look, well, in general, both advisers and air defense units fought on the side of Egypt and Syria.
          Just understand if this is removed, so it turns out. What except Afghanistan has not fought anywhere, but what about the invincible and legendary? It seems like it turns out that after 1946 they didn’t seem to be at war.
        7. vorobey
          vorobey 23 October 2015 17: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          so it turns out. that besides Afghanistan, she never fought, but what about the invincible and legendary? It seems like it turns out that after 1946 they didn’t seem to be at war.


          but why then the mere mention of such horror and boiling leads ... Sanya ..
        8. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 18: 28 New
          -8
          Quote: vorobey
          but why then the mere mention of such horror and boiling leads ... Sanya ..

          Unpredictability, Alexander, unpredictability.
          Including for themselves.
          Well, no one ever thinks about the result.
          Everyone seems to have a strategy, but here - they wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
          This is scary.
  2. VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 06: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    Which of them can be called successful?

    08.08.08
    Pristina, not really a war, but everything’s nailed down ...
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  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 23 October 2015 17: 04 New
    +3
    ! 948 - the creation of the GDR, 1956 - Vegria, 1968-Czechoslovakia and Father Damansky.
  • navigator
    navigator 23 October 2015 19: 24 New
    +1
    "The arod here is beating, emanating from saliva, proving that the Americans are constantly unleashing wars, and you say that you have not won a single one."

    Unleashing does not mean winning. None of them have won pin.dos, Israeli.
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  • _Vladislav_
    _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 15: 08 New
    +6
    Quote: Varyag_1973
    For Vladislav. The Russian army, in terms of budget and in numbers, can and does give the Americans first place, but it is by no means second! She was, is and will be - NUMBER ONE! The Americans in open combat clashes did not win a single conflict, so I wouldn’t turn my tongue to call them number one!

    Yes, no, well, I think that you are mistaken.
    The American army is, firstly, a global army (military bases everywhere), and fighting with the most modern weapons. Its capabilities are hard to overestimate.

    Another thing is that, yes, the USA, in recent history, has never encountered an adversary of the level of Russia. And to predict the probability of the outcome of such a collision is actually difficult.

    At one time, the USSR was a US level power. Then it fell apart, as a result, Russia lost its former level. But having collected the fragments and capabilities of the Soviet system, she was able to the end without losing everything to create something new. Here it is, allowing her to take, firmly, the second place.

    And the USA as it was and remained, they did not suffer such a failure.
    1. Varyag_1973
      Varyag_1973 23 October 2015 15: 28 New
      +6
      To Vladislav. Even if the mattresses were fighting with blasters, this would absolutely not have changed anything! In war there are many necessary things for victory, but perhaps the most important thing is the fighting spirit and motivation of the soldier! The Vietnamese were oh how far to the Americans in terms of military equipment and what ?! How did this help the Yankees ?! They burned hundreds of hectares of jungle with napalm, erased dozens of villages and cities from the face of the Earth, and so what ?!

      So the mattress covers will never be number one, I’m telling you for sure!
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 23 October 2015 16: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Varyag_1973
        So the mattress covers will never be number one, I’m telling you for sure!

        Yes, I understand all these features.
        But then we compare potentials with you, and even there, fortitude, ingenuity, skills, abilities or just luck - this is only the action itself can show.
      2. samuil60
        samuil60 23 October 2015 19: 00 New
        0
        They are on a normal one - then they cannot really land, and you say: ARMY! It is well known how their battalion "fought" in Yugoslavia ... Ugh! It’s even funny to remember.
  • Ratnik555
    Ratnik555 23 October 2015 22: 09 New
    -1
    Okay so ... But what, Fedya, is there no war now? - But how is it not, the breadwinner, the Swedes are directly seizing, the Crimean Khan on the Izyum gang is messing up ... like that, and with a stroke of the pen you send our army to Syria ... do not take too much on yourself ... yes it exists .. .but not in order to participate in dubious and civil wars ... in Syria, the war of everyone against everyone (study carefully who and with whom and for what there is fighting at first) ... our presence of victory or preservation of Syria in its present form anyway will not provide ... so pack yourself up and hurry to Syria to fight for "political and economic" interests ...
  • Karabanov
    Karabanov 23 October 2015 15: 17 New
    +12
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Hi Sanya! Now our 90s are there, I can’t call it stability. Chaos and chaos are redistributed. By and large, those who were in power are in power there. Surnames are the same as in 2013, with very few exceptions.

    Hi Sashok. The answer is not quite for you, but on the topic ...
    I just can’t call Girkin-Strelkov a traitor. He really defended the interests of the fatherland with weapons in his hands (even if it sounds pathetic).
    And who is Kurginyan? The possessed, drooling troll from the TV.
    And the quoted quotes are just skepticism of a person who is disappointed in the system. You can dust as much as you like with “armatures”, Skolkovo “inventions”, Far Eastern cosmodromes ...
    There will be a desire and an opportunity, welcome to my provincial city, where I will show the reality and the ruined engineering plant, which by the way oversees UVZ.
  • Vyacheslav 64
    Vyacheslav 64 23 October 2015 17: 58 New
    +1
    Now there are our 90s, I can’t call it stability.
    And in Russia now what years have begun, let me ask? Isn’t it like 90s? I mean the economy, salaries and mood of people? They don’t shoot at us, including in administrative buildings? And who is in power in the localities? Not sitting for 20-30 years? Look at the districts of the Moscow Region, where the leaders of the same age as the late Brezhnev, are sitting in armchairs from the Gorbachev era.
  • Jack-b
    Jack-b 23 October 2015 18: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Now there are our 90e

    It depends on what you compare it to. If with the Russian Federation then of course, but if with the fact that it was there a year ago?
  • Don
    Don 25 October 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Now our 90s are there, I can’t call it stability. Chaos and chaos are redistributed. By and large, those who were in power are in power there. Surnames are the same as in 2013, with very few exceptions.

    And where are you, Alexander? In Donesk? Or Lugansk? That the 90s and the same surnames are so well visible to you. Here I am and I don’t see something of the 90s. But I remember them well and know what to compare. Maybe list the names. Is it Lukyanchenko, Shishatsky in power now? I am most struck by people sitting for hundreds of miles and speaking with 100% certainty.
  • Yars
    Yars 23 October 2015 15: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    There is no stability there.


    lack of stability is also stability .. do not catch the wave Sanya ..

    all right Sanya Romanov says!
  • 89067359490
    89067359490 23 October 2015 18: 05 New
    +2
    I personally saw the humanitarian aid in the Donbass. 30 trucks with textbooks.
  • Vega
    Vega 23 October 2015 12: 08 New
    -1
    And in the near future is not expected.
  • inpu
    inpu 23 October 2015 13: 34 New
    -1
    Quote: Jack-B
    The situation is stable. Or are there doubts? Drive look. You tell us. Or do you really want to be merged?

    Why not. It is stably unstable there.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 October 2015 07: 36 New
    +28
    It’s like someone. They practically do not shoot there. The humanitarian aid continues to haul over a thousand tons in a caravan. Prepare for the winter. The militia carries out exercises, repairs weapons and equipment. Everything else ... The information is very muddy. And to understand the whirlpools of the Donbass policy is not easier than in the same policy of Dill. It is hard to imagine that dill will be able to fulfill the Minsk agreements and federalize the country. And without it - a poor country looted by the junta on the side of the road - the mattress dragged it into the “harlot" and will not understand why it needs such a gingerbread Europe.
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 October 2015 10: 23 New
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The information is very muddy. And to understand the whirlpools of the Donbass policy is not easier than in the same policy of Dill.

      ----------------------
      So I also thought so ... And there, and there is a struggle of some kind of clans, consolidation of leadership on the ground, all this is not static, in the process ... Both the Lao PDR and Dill are now under tight external control and are trying so far with unnecessary gestures not to commit, because it already goes to the foreign policy costs of the curators ... But the curators already have higher stakes, now we are demonstrating with cruise missiles ... We have not muddied this conflict, we are not authors, we are not participants ... I watched this record with Strelkov on Youtube. What for he began to reason there? Enter all the troops in the Donbass or what? And what will it give? Nothing at all, Ukraine is not our enemy, and Bandera will devour itself by its stupidity ... Or will the whole Black Sea Fleet and the Marine Corps be brought into Syria? What for? Repeat the rake of the Americans?
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 23 October 2015 15: 46 New
        -3
        Altona

        Six months ago, everyone was yelling about the introduction of troops. You are there on YouTube for dates. Maybe the video is outdated.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 23 October 2015 15: 44 New
      0
      Mountain Shooter

      A goblin on YouTube has an interview with a militia a week ago. He directly says what and how. The person is knowledgeable.

      Nothing good, but there is hope for the best. What is normal.
      1. Rusich is not from Kiev
        Rusich is not from Kiev 23 October 2015 16: 49 New
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        A goblin on YouTube has an interview with a militia a week ago. He directly says what and how. The person is knowledgeable.

        Nothing good, but there is hope for the best. What is normal.

        Listen, there are dozens of views of militias where they say that they are building an army and they need to end the old order. So there is no need to say here that this militia is the truth. There are some semi-doos who still seriously say that all the militia wants to return Girkin.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 28 New
          0
          RUSICH

          No one knows the truth. A subjective point of view is expressed there.
  • VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 08: 19 New
    +7
    Quote: beitar
    And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

    Merged, merged ... And Syria merged ... laughing
    Where do you get these from? fool
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      Merged, merged ... And Syria merged.

      We will soon merge Syria as soon as 5 years. Do not bother them to merge laughing
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 08: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Merged, merged ... And Syria merged.

        We will soon merge Syria as soon as 5 years. Do not bother them to merge laughing

        No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.
        1. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 23 October 2015 08: 55 New
          +10
          Quote: atalef
          No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

          In what century I agree with Atalef.
          1. Good me
            Good me 23 October 2015 09: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: atalef

            No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

            It turns out that the esteemed atalef is not banned, as I expected, but only brought me to the "Emergency" ... I would like to know the reasons. Did I give a reason?

            And in general, at the last communication, he "begs for himself laughing "to" emergency ", to which he received the answer:
            Good I'm 17 October 2015 14: 57 | The Bulgarians again refused to provide an air corridor to the Russian transport

            Quote: atalef
            no, these are completely different concepts. I just don’t understand. why do you need to save Syria. but Novorossia seems to be done away with


            You do not "jump off" the topic in your worst national traditions ...

            They wrote "work out Novorossia", and keep the answer for what is written ...

            If they didn’t want to write, they made a mistake, they expressed the wrong idea, CORRECT, clarify the position ...

            Quote: atalef
            bring me to Chs - and you will be happy


            Masochist?

            This is for you, there will be happiness that I will not provide tongue


            To which I received an answer: "Well then bear with me ..."

            READY TO BE patient ...

            But something, apparently "broke" in atalef itself, and he hid behind the screen of "Emergency" ...


            Can any of those present in the topic take the trouble to copy this comment and present it in the form of a quote in order to get any explanations from him?
          2. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 23 October 2015 16: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            In what century I agree with Atalef.

            You also need to look at the map where the Alawites live and where the ATS fights.
        2. Angro Magno
          Angro Magno 23 October 2015 09: 16 New
          +15
          We in Russia perfectly understand that in Israel you need the division of Syria into enclaves. Hope.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 09: 28 New
            -33
            Quote: Angro Magno
            We in Russia perfectly understand that in Israel you need the division of Syria into enclaves. Hope.

            Yes, divided Syria is something that is not bad for us, but we don’t need to hope - it’s a fact
            1. Sosed_26
              Sosed_26 23 October 2015 11: 10 New
              +20
              Lord Jews, why are you trying to forget about how you generally got the land that you call your home is Israel ????
              And that there every day you hear the echoes of this, so to speak, "freebie" that you got.
              You put things in order in your relatively new home, and then you will share your experience!
              And teach someone how and what to do!
              1. artura0911
                artura0911 23 October 2015 17: 52 New
                +2
                who gives them the same money, the most for them))))) they well know that without America they will take away this desert. and many of their compatriots stink like that, go to the shower once a week)))))))))))))
            2. Angro Magno
              Angro Magno 23 October 2015 14: 58 New
              0
              I propose to start celebrating.
            3. gladcu2
              gladcu2 23 October 2015 16: 34 New
              0
              atalef

              In this phrase, atalef is not disingenuous. Israel does not hide the fact that the Golan Heights is a strategic position in the interests of the country.

              Deprived of Syria and return is possible only with the destruction of Israel.

              Cons put him in vain.
            4. aiden
              aiden 23 October 2015 22: 33 New
              +2
              See how Israel is not divided
          2. mirag2
            mirag2 23 October 2015 15: 10 New
            +3
            you in Israel need the division of Syria into enclaves.
            -we need the Golan Heights. There is water, and in Israel its cat wept and that only in one reservoir-lake Kineret.
            Here in real time the water level in Lake Kineret is shown:
            http://pogoda.israelinfo.co.il/kineret

            Fresh Lake Kineret is the main reservoir of drinking water in the country, and the level of water in it affects a lot, including the price of a cubic meter of water for households. It should be between the red and green lines. On the site where I gave the link you can see these features.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 15: 17 New
              -9
              Quote: mirag2
              they need the Golan Heights

              well, they are already ours
              Quote: mirag2
              There is water, and in Israel her cat cried and then only in one reservoir, Lake Kinere

              Fairy tales . Kineret today does not play a role in providing water. Today, Israel in general may refuse to use water from Kinneret
              Quote: mirag2
              Fresh Lake Kineret is the main reservoir of drinking water in the country, and the level of water in it affects a lot, including the price of a cubic meter of water for households

              Not long ago.
              1. Hello
                Hello 23 October 2015 16: 32 New
                -2
                Quote: atalef
                Fairy tales . Kineret today does not play a role in providing water. Today, Israel in general may refuse to use water from Kinneret

                Absolutely correctly, several desalination plants were built in Ashdod and Ashkelon, unfortunately this desalination is not cheap, but there is nothing to be done.
                Quote: mirag2
                -we need the Golan Heights. There is water, and in Israel its cat wept

                Golan Heights is more strategic altitude than the current water source wink
            2. padded jacket
              padded jacket 23 October 2015 15: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: mirag2
              they need the Golan Heights

              Personally, I think they need not only these heights, but a much larger territory (so far) of Syria, as well as gangs of terrorists under their command in the rest of the territory with the help of which they would spread the chaos first completely to Iraq and then to Iran.
        3. andj61
          andj61 23 October 2015 09: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

          And not only the Alawites: this is exactly the same with the Kurds and Christians. All that remains is the Druze and Sunnis - Sunnis and make up most of the radicals, and the Druze always adapt to all.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 09: 31 New
            -14
            Quote: andj61
            And not only Alawites: to Kurds and Christians this is exactly the same

            It’s easier with Christians - they almost all left, the Kurds are 40 million (in total) and they not only have their own territory, the people are on some side of the conflict and do not have the status of the previous government
            The Alawites are completely different, the Alaites are Assad, this is a bugbear, this is the reason for the conflict and its main component, I would not bother everyone together
            Quote: andj61
            only Druze and Sunnis — Sunnis — constitute the majority of the radicals, and Druze always adapt to all.

            Friends have nothing to worry about. there is someone to stand up for them
            1. Turkir
              Turkir 23 October 2015 11: 23 New
              +3
              Turkish Alawites, comprising from 10 to 12 million [4], apparently, are an independent phenomenon, very different from the Levantine.
              .
              Alavism arose in the XNUMXth century.
              .
              Ibn Taymiyyi believes that the Alawites split away from Shiism and moved away from the dominant Islamic trends in their views and religious practice, that in many ways they lost the right to be considered part of Islam in general, turning into a special religion - a mixture of Islam, Christianity and Islamic Islamic beliefs (" jahiliya ").

              As we see, Alavism is not a new phenomenon; it has existed for more than 1000 years.
              It is criticized by the Sunnis. We can only notice
              what -
              Wahhabism (from the Arabic. الوهابية - al-Wahhabiya) - the religious and political movement in Islam, which formed in XVIII century. The movement is named for [Comm. 1] Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi (1703-1792), who is a follower of Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328).

              It is interesting to know which areas of the above are tolerant of the creation of the state of Israel?
              1. andj61
                andj61 23 October 2015 13: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Turkir
                It is interesting to know which areas of the above are tolerant of the creation of the state of Israel?

                None! bully
                Really - only Druze. But there are many of them - and they themselves - in general, for a separate religion they consider, inherent only to this people.
              2. alone
                alone 23 October 2015 17: 08 New
                +1
                Quote: Turkir
                It is criticized by the Sunnis. We can only notice
                what -
                Wahhabism (from the Arabic. الوهابية - al-Wahhabiya) is a religious and political movement in Islam, which was formed in the XVIII century. The movement is named for [Comm. 1] Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab at-Tamimi (1703-1792), who is a follower of Ibn Taymiyyah (1263-1328).

                A small reference. The Shawites themselves often criticize the Alavites. The Alawites, especially the most fanatical wing, claim that Allah mistakenly gave the prophecy to Muhammad, who was destined for Ali. Not one Shiite will not say that.
          2. Hello
            Hello 23 October 2015 14: 07 New
            0
            Quote: andj61
            and the Druze always adapt to all.

            I would say to friends, too, everyone adapts. It's not for nothing that they are called fearless, no one wants to mess with them. wink
        4. Rusich is not from Kiev
          Rusich is not from Kiev 23 October 2015 16: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          No, they are fighting for their enclaves there, and in the case of the Alawites - or to fight - or death.

          That is, the Alawites live in Damascus, Aleppo, Holmes, Hama? Mdya ... go learn the map of the nationalities of Syria.
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 15: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We will soon merge Syria as soon as 5 years. Do not bother them to merge laughing

        Long live Russia!!! The creamiest country in the world !!! laughing
    2. Angro Magno
      Angro Magno 23 October 2015 09: 14 New
      +3
      Syria was leaked back in 13. This was written by all the unworthy media. They won’t lie, right?
    3. artura0911
      artura0911 23 October 2015 17: 33 New
      +2
      want to know where they get it from ??? Yes, they are offended people, sitting in their wilderness and barking.))) and they know that without Uncle Sema they would not exist at all.
  • Xergey
    Xergey 23 October 2015 08: 38 New
    0
    It was frozen until the restoration of Donbass at the expense of Ukrainians, and then a referendum and farewell Hohland)))
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 09: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: KSergey
      It was frozen until the restoration of Donbass at the expense of Ukrainians, and then a referendum and farewell Hohland)))

      And who told you that Ukraine will restore the Donbass?
    2. Altona
      Altona 23 October 2015 10: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: KSergey
      It was frozen until the restoration of Donbass at the expense of Ukrainians, and then a referendum and farewell Hohland)))

      ----------------------
      Where goodbye? Nifiga ... Hohland will be a divided country, because normal people with crazy nationalists will not be able to live long ... Dnepropetrovsk has already thought about economic autonomy ... This is the beginning of the end of Kiev ...
  • Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 23 October 2015 08: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: beitar
    And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

    If you believe the hawks from Russia and Ukraine, then respectively Putin and Poroshenko merged Donbass. But in essence, what’s happening, don’t understand what.
  • Angro Magno
    Angro Magno 23 October 2015 09: 11 New
    +2
    You can dream about it. Not forbidden.
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 23 October 2015 09: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: beitar
    And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

    And there that, already the power of the Kiev junta? laughing
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 23 October 2015 16: 45 New
    -1
    beitar
    And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?


    it’s all like with (Schrodinger’s cat) the situation with two unknowns is all in limbo and everything, as always, is not a war of peace. Tolley merged Tolley not merged! nobody knows for sure. it seems that everyone starts to think because he likes it better, regardless of what actually happens there
    Personally, I think if the border will be transferred to Ukram, it means that it was leaked!
    people fought and died for the Russian world, and the war ultimately comes to where it started, judging from this point of view, it’s a drain
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAwzGpmIe5A
  • MIK.VIK.
    MIK.VIK. 23 October 2015 19: 38 New
    +1
    As a matter of fact, everything is shown in news programs. And about some kind of drain, what kind of nonsense. We do not live with a hunchback or a drunkard.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 25 October 2015 23: 27 New
    0
    Quote: beitar
    And what is the situation in New Russia? Was it leaked or not?

    Take a trip to New Russia, then tell us. laughing Sincerely.
  • Good me
    Good me 23 October 2015 07: 52 New
    +22
    Quote: Igor39
    Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...


    Did you see the liberal in the trench belay ?
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 23 October 2015 08: 25 New
      +1
      And how is this to be understood? Russia in Syria, except for defeat, does not shine. Moscow has neither the material nor the human resources to get out of Syrian porridge without burns. "

      "In this war, it is generally impossible to win a final victory, and defeat will be very probable. In addition, after a while it will turn out that the invested resources" will go nowhere ", both material and human. And thirdly, the moral effect of the defeat in "PR" war will affect the situation inside the country. "

      "The Moscow chiefs have recently" deliberately degraded "the units of the armies of the people's republics and brought them to an incompetent state."

      "The Syrian war is directly related to Novorossia. Losing in Syria, Russia will lose Novorossia. Losing Novorossia will lose Crimea. The loss of Crimea is the beginning of the collapse of Russia."

      "We can’t defeat with the available forces and means in Syria, in the face of confrontation between the USA and Ukraine. This threatens with a major military-political defeat."
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 08: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: Igor39
        And how is this to be understood? Russia in Syria, except defeat, nothing shines

        Defeat or victory may be determined by the achievement of strategic goals or not.
        -Kakova (in your opinion) - Russia's strategic goal in Syria?
        Quote: Igor39
        In this war it is generally impossible to win a final victory

        What do you think? And what do you think the final victory in Syria looks like?
        Quote: Igor39
        The Syrian war is directly related to New Russia. Having lost in Syria, Russia will lose to Novorossia. Having lost Novorossia, he will lose Crimea. The loss of Crimea is the beginning of the collapse of Russia. "

        Well, Russia will not lose Crimea, but Novorossia is already merging and this is a fact and how correctly Says Girkin that it is not present in the News - it does not exist - will you argue with this?
        Quote: Igor39
        "We can’t defeat with the available forces and means in Syria, in the face of confrontation between the USA and Ukraine. This threatens with a major military-political defeat."

        Which part do you disagree with?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 23 October 2015 08: 58 New
          +7
          Quote: atalef
          but Novorossia is already merging and this is a fact and how correctly Girkin Says that it is not present in the News - does not exist - will you argue with that?


          you already vanged that they will take Merkava as the basis of Almaty ... I hit a shovel yesterday with a shovel laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 09: 04 New
            -5
            Quote: vorobey
            you already vanged that they will take Merkava as the basis of Almaty ... I hit a shovel yesterday with a shovel

            Well then, they talked about the concept and the chief specialist was Mehannik. Asserting that the engine was in front, the tower in the back - there were few other options. But the difference is that we discussed the theory, having no facts at all - here in general the situation is completely different.
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 23 October 2015 11: 13 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              But the difference is that we discussed the theory, having no facts at all - here in general the situation is completely different.

              Yes, in general, it’s absolutely the same: some speculation and speculation ...
        2. vorobey
          vorobey 23 October 2015 08: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          but Novorossia is already merging and this is a fact and how correctly Girkin Says that it is not present in the News - does not exist - will you argue with that?


          you already vanged that they will take Merkava as the basis of Almaty ... I hit a shovel yesterday with a shovel laughing
        3. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 23 October 2015 10: 11 New
          +4
          Lord opened the bazaar. With Syria, Russia is concerned about one aspect. You didn’t listen to Putin at the UN, or wander around in the dark. He just said Preservation of statehood. That is not clear. By the way, volunteers of all the peoples of Syria are joining the Syrian army. There is nothing to cast a shadow on the fence. Only after the liberation of the country will the people decide how to continue to live. And how the kites flew this poor people too. Drop They themselves will solve all issues. And then listening to the hegemon I can’t understand where the right people are and where not. And Girkin just expresses his opinion is okay. Such are needed. Nobody will raise a hand to accuse him of betrayal. And that liberals of all stripes are curling around so clearly. But he said he won’t go into politics. He helps Dombass. Fine. And Kiev, the dilemma is incompatible to combine. And this is very logical. Putin at the UN said. And we won’t surrender the republics, but we will make guilty people in Kiev. Patience is needed. We wait and see. After SYRIA, the friends of Kiev began to slowly look into the East of Ukraine with different eyes. We are waiting for a long time.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 11: 01 New
            -7
            Quote: igor.borov775
            . By the way, volunteers of all the peoples of Syria join the Syrian army.

            You absolutely do not know the situation
            Quote: igor.borov775
            . He said simply Preserving statehood

            Statehood can be preserved only by the peoples living in it - in the presence of community and purpose
            Quote: igor.borov775
            .A Girkin just expresses his opinion is okay.

            Indeed, it’s okay, the only question - how realistic is its analysis - in my understanding is very close to reality
            Quote: igor.borov775
            . Putin at the UN said

            At the UN, everyone speaks and no one hears anyone, everything that is said on the Gene of the UN Assembly is more for domestic consumption of the country to which the speaker belongs

            Quote: igor.borov775
            Wait and see. After SYRIA, the friends of Kiev began to slowly look at the East of Ukraine with different eyes

            What?
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 23 October 2015 17: 39 New
              +1
              atalef

              You should not think that neighboring states are not interested in strong neighbors.

              Yes, experience, no one will demand the Golan from you back. Leave on record.
              Live calmly, grow up children. Improve your not-so-perfect educational system. Maybe a new generation will improve your international image.
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 October 2015 18: 32 New
                -5
                Quote: gladcu2
                You should not think that neighboring states are not interested in strong neighbors.

                Why? Who needs a neighbor who can potentially blow you in the face.
                Pay attention, I say POTENTIALLY, as priorities change, but strength remains
                Quote: gladcu2
                Yes, experience, no one will demand the Golan from you back. Leave on record.

                Therefore, they will not demand it, because they are strong. otherwise we would not have been behind the golan long ago
                Quote: gladcu2
                Live calmly, grow up children. Improve your not-so-perfect educational system. Maybe a new generation will improve your international image.

                Well, about the educational system - this can be argued.
                I have something to compare.
                All the same, in Canada, half of the family (on the mother's side) lives, including my eldest daughter.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 37 New
                  +1
                  atalef

                  A strong neighbor and from the hegemon can help to brush it off.

                  At this political moment, a reassessment of values ​​has taken place. Independent states are becoming more valuable. The globalizers retreated. Therefore, in Syria, ISIS and bend to the fullest. Only 50 tons of weapons were abandoned, most likely due to bureaucratic inertia.

                  So Israel needs the Golan to support its independence. Therefore, by default, this question will not be raised with an edge.

                  The education in Israel is weak. Looking back 5 years ago.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 October 2015 20: 08 New
                    -2
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    A strong neighbor and from the hegemon can help to brush it off.

                    Or maybe not
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    Independent states are becoming more valuable.

                    independent no a priori
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    Therefore, in Syria, ISIS and bend to the fullest.

                    belay Maybe I missed something?
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    So Israel needs the Golan to support its independence

                    Security
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    The education in Israel is weak. Looking back 5 years ago.

                    I understand . that I lived here, well, somehow, according to my son (who graduated from the Technion), I would not say.
                    I have something to compare with
                2. V. Salama
                  V. Salama 23 October 2015 22: 07 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Who needs a neighbor who can potentially blow you in the face.
                  Pay attention, I say POTENTIALLY, as priorities change, but strength remains

                  Some kind of alien worldview position. Now what, everyone thinks so? Here it is the “pork snout of capitalism” that it does to the people. This is that, the urine of all the weak, otherwise they will grow and be sure to "put in the face." You can start, for starters, with the former union republics. I thought what it was our politicians in their time Belarus so rotten? This is "American Defense - Actively Searching and Eliminating Threats." Of course, in order to protect our national interests, risks should be assessed as “a combination of the probability of occurrence of adverse events and the magnitude of possible damage”, but this is a completely different approach. In addition, the development of cooperation, friendship and the prevention of disgusting neighbors is assumed. Can anyone remember the Decree of the World? - something similar was said there. Well, if an insidious enemy, rolls his lips to someone else’s - according to historical experience, he will rake in full, because behind the right side is the truth, in which strength, as stated in the famous film and not only. Well, there are more nuances.
            2. igor.borov775
              igor.borov775 24 October 2015 12: 59 New
              +1
              Dear where did the Syrian Army get the resources to launch an offensive on three routes. Yes Yes, it’s human. No gentlemen, the liberators from the President of Syria themselves gave an influx to the militia and the Army. Yes Isil doesn’t reckon with the states to build his bones. Yes to save the state and Lavrov in this he repeated in the spirit of Vienna and then the people themselves will decide everything. And what does Girkin not like you? Kurginyan rushes about on TV screens loudly broadcasts the truth And in the Soviet Socialist Republic he definitely had access to the main newspaper. broadcast too. This is already a profession. And Girkin is just a patriot. and a normal man has his own opinion. Yes, it does not coincide with those who radiantly shine on the screen. With such a country grows. What is terrible he says. Yes, he was in the Crimea in those very days and probably not a messenger. Yes, he was sitting in the trenches under the strongest fire and pressure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. He saw the death of his friends who came to Donetsk. Of course, sitting in the offices far from the shell rupture, everything looks different. And this is also true. But they are different. That's where the problem is. So the soul hurts that not everything is done correctly. He has the right in his opinion, at his level, why refuse. him even that. He that undermines the foundations of the state is definitely not.
        4. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 October 2015 16: 50 New
          +2
          atalef

          The primary goal of the operation in Syria is the withdrawal of troop governments to the northern borders of the country. This will cut off the supply of ISIS troops. ISIS is supplied by Turkey. So says Yakov Kedmi.

          The Russian troops most likely will not stop there and will transfer their actions to the territory of Iraq. They will help there until the restoration of the state in normal mode.

          These goals have been stated from various sources. Let's just say semi-official but logically clear.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 18: 34 New
            -3
            Quote: gladcu2
            The primary goal of the operation in Syria is the withdrawal of troop governments to the northern borders of the country. This will cut off the supply of ISIS troops.

            Strange, but I always thought that ISIS came from Iraq, and this is the east request
            Quote: gladcu2
            The Russian troops most likely will not stop there and will transfer their actions to the territory of Iraq

            Ie then we will switch to ISIS, and now with whom are they fighting?
            Quote: gladcu2
            These goals have been stated from various sources. Let's just say semi-official but logically clear.

            Logically yes, only not feasible. nobody will climb east
      2. Ratnik555
        Ratnik555 23 October 2015 23: 18 New
        -2
        And what’s incomprehensible ... you won’t win a final victory there ... since there are too disparate participants in the conflict (first study who ... with whom ... and what they are fighting for). As a state in its present form, it’s unlikely that they will be able to be saved there .. Colossal resources will be spent ... But we have a hostile neighbor in the person of Ukraine and other hostile “civilized” countries, and amid the worsening economic situation in our country, you’ll have to decide what consequences this can lead to.
  • Madcape
    Madcape 23 October 2015 08: 31 New
    +10
    I have always supported and will continue to support Strelkov. The only moment he is not a politician and sometimes he will say such that not only ukroSMI, but all the others take his words out of context. Moreover, so that they don’t say, but Russia is not yet ready for a large-scale war, including in Syria, it’s true whoever says anything (if the West tells us that it’s afraid of us, it means only one thing - it puts you to sleep) . And yes, Strelkov doesn’t believe politicians, from here all of him is possible "everything is lost." In addition, I personally think that Strelkov now works so hard for Russia, because if a large person in the West says that they are afraid of us, then this will mobilize the West, and just like that, Strelkov wants to mobilize the Russians so that there is no opinion " hatred "(remember the Russian-Japanese war ...). For some reason, a lot of cheers patriots divorced, and this is more harmful than even liberoids.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 09: 22 New
      +23
      Remember the statement of P.A. Stolypin: “In Russia they like to start reforms only because it is easier to hide the inability to rule.”
      And at the present stage of state development of Russia, we exist in a regime of constant reforms and counter-reforms !!! Those. it didn’t work (huge resources were wasted, guilty, as always, you’ll find hell, and everything is in place, permissiveness is booming), then a return to the previous working model. What is now observed!
      What does this mean?
      Capitalism was developed by handing over territories of influence, and not national and state security were concerned, Western partners,. Only the Kremlin are guilty of the neglected situation. And when “the roasted rooster pecked at .op, then they stirred” (the initiative went from people, not from “elites”).
      Why, for example, I.V. Stalin strove for a “leap forward in development and evolutionary transformation,” and not for reform (breaking down and restructuring existing systems).
      Imagine what Comrade Stalin would have done in these 20-plus years of lawlessness of the “Kremlin content”. The North would have certainly been mastered, and only by the forces of criminals, compradors and cosmopolitans.

      Here is a series of expressions by P.A. Stolypin, relevant now (maybe even more than in his time):
      "A people that does not have a national identity is manure on which other peoples grow."
      "The main thing that is necessary is when we write the law for the whole country, to keep in mind the rational and the strong, not the drunk and the weak."
      “For those in power, there is no greater sin than cowardly evasion of responsibility.”
      “Where there is money, there is the devil. The homeland requires service so sacrificially pure that the slightest thought of personal gain overshadows the soul and paralyzes work. ”

      By the way, many statements by I.V. Stalin, too, today sounds just prophetic.
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 09: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        And at the present stage of state development of Russia, we exist in a regime of constant reforms and counter-reforms !!!

        Og. Since the beginning of perestroika and the collapse of the country with the change of the social system to capitalism ...
        Reasons, reasons must be understood and not repeat such mistakes in the future. PROTECT RUSSIA !!!
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  • VseDoFeNi
    VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 08: 34 New
    0
    Quote: Igor39
    Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...

    I know how the crafts smell

    Quote: Gianni Rodari

    What do crafts smell like?

    Every case
    The smell is special:
    The bakery smells
    Dough and baking.

    Past the carpentry
    You go to the workshop, -
    Chip smells
    And fresh board.

    Smells painter
    Skiom and paint.
    The smell of glazier
    Window putty.

    Driver's jacket
    It smells of gasoline.
    Worker blouse -
    Machine oil.

    Confectioner smells
    Nutmeg nut.
    Doctor in lab coat -
    The medicine is pleasant.

    Loose earth
    Field and meadow
    Smells like a peasant,
    Going after the plow.

    Fish and sea
    It smells like a fisherman.
    Only idleness
    There is no smell.

    How many chokes
    Swindler rich
    It doesn't matter
    He smells guys!


    But I don’t know what Strelkov smells like. Let Strelkov’s supporters try to refute Starikov’s words.

    1. JACTUS RECTUS
      JACTUS RECTUS 23 October 2015 10: 29 New
      +1
      Wash libroeaters, urapatriots and guard-patriots - you can’t argue against logic and pragmatism ...
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 06 New
        +2
        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
        Wash libroeaters, urapatriots and guard-patriots - you can’t argue against logic and pragmatism ...

        They always have arguments against logic in the form of reflex poking in the negative. laughing
        1. Siberian
          Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 07 New
          +2
          And where is the logic? Or what?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 42 New
            0
            Quote: Siberian
            And where is the logic? Or what?

            There a little higher video with Starikov look ...
        2. twviewer
          twviewer 24 October 2015 19: 01 New
          0
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          against logic, there are always arguments in the form of reflexive poking at minus.

          "one day uren will ask so many questions that 100 wise men will not answer" :)
          “Igor Ivanovich” in your opinion arrived in Slavyansk from “out of nowhere”, had an accidental relationship with the office, and on the first channel he also spoke about the Russian world ?!
          Don't you think that he knows a lot more than he can say?
          Maybe some people don’t like what he says at all ?!
          Russian world, import substitution, stability (including the ruble), partners, a liberal economy, free capital withdrawal, effective managers who will not receive salaries in corporations, but will be civil servants? Are you sure the author is not familiar?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 19: 49 New
            0
            Quote: twviewer
            Russian world, import substitution, stability (including the ruble), partners, a liberal economy, free capital withdrawal, effective managers who will not receive salaries in corporations, but will be civil servants? Are you sure the author is not familiar?

            Sign, sign !!! good
            “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
            And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

            Or do you think that Russia, contrary to his actions, has entered one of the leading places in the world?
            1. twviewer
              twviewer 24 October 2015 22: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Or do you think that Russia, contrary to his actions, has entered one of the leading places in the world?

              The location of the resource appendage? This is a feat.
              But Russia has not lived before in the 21st century at 100 + $ per barrel and is unlikely to be, so there’s nothing to compare with.
              Threat cars on credit in the yards from the poverty of the mind - you correctly noticed this
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 25 October 2015 19: 43 New
                -1
                Quote: twviewer
                But Russia has not lived before in the 21st century at 100 + $ per barrel and is unlikely to be, so there’s nothing to compare with.

                Does it not seem strange to you that the United States has buried its own shale deposits, companies, etc.? They buried a whole industry. Tell them a damn thing? Well, the pipes. In addition to shales, they bury their dollar, and this is their main commodity.
                1. twviewer
                  twviewer 26 October 2015 18: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  Does it not seem strange to you that the United States has buried its own shale deposits, companies, etc.? They buried a whole industry. Tell them a damn thing? Well, the pipes. In addition to shales, they bury their dollar, and this is their main commodity.

                  Americans simply stopped investing in new fields (as we did in the 90s), the cost of production with the development of technology will fall, and the shale oil potential will remain.
                  As for the dollar, it has been buried for a long time, but just tell me, can the Americans bill? Russia? with its then liberal secondary economic course?
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 30 October 2015 08: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: twviewer
                    As for the dollar, it has been buried for a long time, but just tell me, can the Americans bill?

                    There was a precedent. De Gaulle returned the gold coin, and today they will refuse their paper and no accounts will be needed.

                    Quote: twviewer
                    Russia? with its then liberal secondary economic course?

                    The manufacturing sector of the Russian economy is comparable to the manufacturing sector of the United States, do not think badly about Russia. smile
          2. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 19: 49 New
            0
            Quote: twviewer
            Russian world, import substitution, stability (including the ruble), partners, a liberal economy, free capital withdrawal, effective managers who will not receive salaries in corporations, but will be civil servants? Are you sure the author is not familiar?

            Sign, sign !!! good
            “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
            And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

            Or do you think that Russia, contrary to his actions, has entered one of the leading places in the world?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 10: 31 New
      +5
      Well, Starikov just doesn’t need to be cited as an example, he is still a figure. The magician is still one.
      1. JACTUS RECTUS
        JACTUS RECTUS 23 October 2015 12: 18 New
        +4
        And whom ??? Who is the authority ??? Than the Old Men did not please ???
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 12: 44 New
          +3
          Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
          What did not please Starikov ???

          The pro-government manipulator of the consciousness of the masses. The key word is pro-government. He says a lot of right and necessary At the moment things, a lot of truth needed to bring down the Maidan mood in society. But he deliberately denigrates Strelkov, because an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it. If you watched their politring, tell me - what is Shooters wrong about? Why did Starikov then put him on a par with Obama, Kerry and other evil spirits, taking words out of context? Low.
          1. JACTUS RECTUS
            JACTUS RECTUS 23 October 2015 14: 03 New
            +3
            Starikov has been saying the same thing for many years, both before your Girkin and before the course of the state became what he is now. Can Starikov manipulate the state ???
            Girkin an alternative to Putin, stupidity is utter, this person is not competent in politics, economics, geopolitics, he takes the place that suits him the most, a sad, conceited clown. Eternal - "Putin leaked Donbass."
            The Novorossiya project is an anti-Ukraine project, by analogy with Ukraine-anti Russia. I’m not even sure that this project was initiated by Russia itself, most likely we intercepted it and used it against its creators (the notorious martial arts tactics). Donbass plays the role that must comply, he does not allow Ukraine to join NATO and also does not allow Ukraine to provoke a real war with Russia, the consequences of which will be sad for both Ukraine and Russia, to the joy of the United States.
            This is cynical in relation to the inhabitants of Donbass, but politics is a cynical thing, no emotions only pragmatism.
            "If something is beneficial for us, believe the truth."
            1. tomket
              tomket 23 October 2015 15: 55 New
              +4
              Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
              alternative to Putin-stupidity is utter, this person is not competent in politics, economics

              Putin is also not competent in the economy.
              1. JACTUS RECTUS
                JACTUS RECTUS 23 October 2015 16: 39 New
                +2
                Putin plays by the rules that are written so that you can’t win this game and you can’t get out of it either, while the result that we have (5th world economy) is impressive. So you are wrong.
                1. tomket
                  tomket 23 October 2015 23: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                  At the same time, the result that we have (5 world economy) is impressive.

                  What result do we have? Give an answer about high matters, for example, the attachment of the ruble to oil and the fact of the Karensi board, or about the price tag on a shelf from life and an unfulfilled import substitution?
              2. gladcu2
                gladcu2 23 October 2015 18: 45 New
                +1
                tomke

                GDP has a development potential. But if he does not know in details, then he perfectly imagines himself in a general form. This is enough and criticism is not appropriate.
                1. tomket
                  tomket 23 October 2015 23: 37 New
                  +2
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  This is enough and criticism is not appropriate.

                  While the economic bloc headed by DAM is in power, criticism is more than appropriate.
              3. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 19: 39 New
                0
                Quote: tomket
                Putin is also not competent in the economy.

                And Russia under Putin paid off external debt. Increased GDP at times.
                Here the comrade on the fingers explains this.
                http://fritzmorgen.livejournal.com/818247.html
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 20: 09 New
                  -3
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  And Russia under Putin paid off foreign debt

                  not repaid
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  . Increased GDP at times.

                  Well ?
                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  Here the comrade on the fingers explains this.

                  Well, then on the fingers are all masters, but in real life?
                  1. JACTUS RECTUS
                    JACTUS RECTUS 23 October 2015 21: 08 New
                    +2
                    But in real life I have a salary of more than 150 thousand rubles (75% in dollars) My military father does not need money, he has enough for everything, every year he has a vacation, the car is not the cheapest and, according to his seniority, he wants an apartment in Russia.
                    Enough ????
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 23 October 2015 21: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                      And in real life I have a salary of more than 150 thousand rubles (75% in dollars)

                      Good (for Russia), but not so much for some other countries.
                      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                      The military father does not need money, enough for everything,

                      Everything (actually) is never enough. Although, depending on what requests and desires. There are those who die in poverty, and the dough is a full mattress
                      Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
                      every year on vacation, the car is not the cheapest and, according to the length of service, an apartment where he wants to in Russia.
                      Enough ????

                      This is good, but for me it’s completely not enough. hi
                      It's like an anecdote, can a wife make her a millionaire husband
                      The answer is YES if he was a billionaire laughing
                    2. JACTUS RECTUS
                      JACTUS RECTUS 23 October 2015 21: 48 New
                      +1
                      Natural needs, something that allows you to live with dignity.
                      Do not forget about prices, even taking into account their increase, it is cheaper here than in the "developed" capitalist countries.
                      When I come home from Korea (especially after a long interruption) to Sakhalin from a flight, every time I am surprised at the sacristy in prices, and in our direction (except for household appliances, prices are at the level), I generally keep silent about Japan there are sky-high.
                2. tomket
                  tomket 23 October 2015 23: 44 New
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, then on the fingers are all masters, but in real life?

                  but in the real world there is no import substitution, there is no start of industrialization, the same iPhone rookie steers. In economics, Putin is the unit with a fat minus. Learn and study more .....
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But he deliberately denigrates Strelkova

          Refute his words in a video argumentatively, as I requested.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          because an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it.

          Rather, I will become a mystery universe, than Strelkov will draw, as an alternative to Putin.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          what is wrong shooters?

          And what is right? The fact that, as he did not cease defeat of the militias?
        3. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          But he deliberately denigrates Strelkova

          Refute his words in a video argumentatively, as I requested.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          because an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it.

          Rather, I will become a mystery universe, than Strelkov will draw, as an alternative to Putin.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          what is wrong shooters?

          And what is right? The fact that, as he did not cease defeat of the militias?
        4. gladcu2
          gladcu2 23 October 2015 18: 42 New
          +3
          Ingvar 72

          Which manipulator do you prefer?
        5. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 23 October 2015 18: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          an alternative to Putin could be drawn from it.

          Not an option. Strelkov / Girkin politician is a hundred times worse than a military leader.
        6. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 08: 20 New
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The pro-government manipulator of the consciousness of the masses. The key word is pro-government.

          From your words it follows that anti-government is good, and pro-government is bad. This idiotic understanding of the situation leads to revolutions and other Maidan. They, in turn, always lead to the blood and poverty of peoples with this idiotic understanding struck.
          So it was in France with its series of riots and unrest for many years, so it was with the Russian Empire, who lost the 1905 war not so much to Japan as to the maidanut of those years, led by Anglo-Saxon manipulators. So it was in the Russian Empire of 1917, which destroyed the strongest continental power of Eurasia. Etc. My good advice to you is to rethink your worldview and worldview. although this is difficult to do, one has to step on one's ego. But it, rethinking, is worth it.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 October 2015 08: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            From your words it follows that anti-government is good, and pro-government is bad

            No, it happens that both are bad
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            This idiotic understanding of the situation leads to revolutions and other Maidan.

            Revolution - nor always badly because revolutions do not take shape from scratch, for this at least there must be a revolutionary situation. You already know its definition, well, how it is
            The lower classes do not want, the upper circles cannot
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            . My good advice to you is to rethink your worldview and worldview. although this is difficult to do, one has to step on one's ego. But it, rethinking, is worth it.

            You again do not understand, the revolutionary situation consists not only of the women’s Wishlist, but also of the non-Wishlist-upper.
            Both sides need to eliminate the causes.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 26 October 2015 08: 50 New
              -1
              Quote: atalef
              Revolution - nor always badly because revolutions do not take shape from scratch, for this at least there must be a revolutionary situation. You already know its definition, well, how it is
              The lower classes do not want, the upper circles cannot

              Maidan, speak? Oh well...
              NCO, speak? Yes Yes...
              Stop financing the IG and the "moderate" opposition and all, no revolutionary situation.

              PS An example of a "not always bad revolution", so kindly lead. And better than a few.
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 17: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
        And whom ??? Who is the authority ??? Than the Old Men did not please ???

        Probably Novikov is an authority. laughing
  • Siberian
    Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 06 New
    +4
    The refutation of the words of Starikov is the words of Strelkov himself (listen to the politring himself). I have nothing against Starikov, but this is sophistry: the substitution of concepts by manipulating verbal. And after this same political spring, there was a discussion here.
    There, it was said that Starikov, who was neither in the Crimea, nor in the Donbass, in his historical voice told how the people of Crimea literally did everything with the strong support of the authorities of all stripes. And Strelkov answered that there are no miracles in the world, such things do not happen spontaneously. I don’t quote, I translate: I had to drive only means that in the mood of the soaring, the authorities did not break into concrete actions. And the expression "had to be driven" - figurative. Yes, most likely, I had to hurry. And everything else also has nothing to do with the words here Starikova has.
    I do not understand the essence of these purely male feuds - what is the need for Strelkov to try to lower it? Yes, even with such perseverance? What, the more no?
    He is merely a reconstruction historian, not a politician, not a political scientist, not a journalist. Romantic white movement. But for about 3 months he stood against various dill units in Slavyansk. Sincerely believed and still believes that it was necessary to reach Roosia to Kiev. While there is no wrong. Anyway, the stink would have been the same, but by now everything would have subsided. “In order to win, you must fight,” “during a ceasefire in the form that now there are still losses among the peaceful people ...” What is wrong? But there would be no talk about draining, not draining, the Donbass people, who have been in this time for 100 years, would still not be sitting in the outskirts.
    It is all the more incomprehensible how exactly Roman S. is concerned with Strelkov? With such perseverance ... About Strelkova, about Bednov, about Brain. Somehow he chooses the wrong “opponents” for himself. Why not Strelkov - he does good deeds and thrashes his tongue in vain?
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 26 October 2015 09: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Siberian
      (listen to politring himself)

      I listened. Long. I'm not going to listen. I have a negative opinion about Strelkov.
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  • V. Salama
    V. Salama 23 October 2015 22: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    But I don’t know what Strelkov smells like.

    What smells, what smells? ... The "White Guard" and the monarchist Strelkov smells no worse than the monarchist and latent anti-adviser Starikov. Both spokesmen for the interests of certain social strata (as well as Kurginyan), see the main goals in different ways, determine the effectiveness of achieving the current goals of the country's leadership in different ways, and evaluate available resources in different ways. All three patriots (ask any liberal - there is generally a patriot on a patriot) and sometimes act in the national interests of the country. Strelkov, at least with arms in his hands, acted in the interests of the country, and his claims regarding the delay and half of the decisions made are fair. This is me about New Russia. Whoever did not understand this (on the example of Yugoslavia, when it was not before her; Saddam Hussein, whom they betrayed; Libya, which they did not support; Syria, which they realized, when it became clear to the blind how it would all end), he was simply a blinded urapatriot . Well, we’ll see how the assessments of what was done wrong from the perspective of tomorrow will change.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 26 October 2015 09: 09 New
      0
      Quote: V. Salama
      (ask any liberal - there is generally a patriot on a patriot)

      The ideal of individual freedom is Mowgli. But the trouble is, not capable and asocial to the roots of the hair. Liberals, sick people.

      Quote: V. Salama
      Strelkov, at least with arms in his hands, acted in the interests of the country, and his claims regarding the delay and half of the decisions made are fair.

      Sometimes a dangerous fool is worse than the enemy, which we saw very well with Khrushchev as an example.
  • viktorrymar
    viktorrymar 23 October 2015 09: 19 New
    +1
    March 4 2015
    http://topwar.ru/70172-boroday-strelkov-po-faktu-uzhe-voyuet-na-storone-protivni
    ka.html # comment-id-4174044
  • znorick
    znorick 23 October 2015 10: 43 New
    +12
    There are also many “strategists” at VO, and each has its own opinion. Liberal smacks of more from the Government of Russia, and V.V. Putin has repeatedly stated that Russia will not turn off the liberal course. Here is one of his recent statements: [media = http: //lentaru.media.eagleplatform.com/index/player? Player = new & player_tem
    plate_id = 4765 & record_id = 339832].
    But the author of the article apparently didn’t finish watching the broadcast (the text wrote "I personally had enough" after referring to several phrases taken out of context). Yes, and the statement of Comrade Korotchenko
    The principle should be one: my country, Russia, rights are ALWAYS.
    indicates a clearly emotional assessment of Strelkov’s statements. First, the country is not a subject, but an object, and the subject is a state apparatus, which is made up of the same people as you and I. And secondly, people tend to make mistakes. This is inherent in managers of the highest level. And there is no need to harbor illusions about the unique abilities of V.V. Putin to come up with "cunning plans" - plans are developed by a team of painfully famous people. These are precisely the people who carried out the reform of education, health care reform (excuse me, healthcare), allowed Chubais to manage innovation, put a tax specialist in reforming the army (good luck thought again!), Those who ruin the oil industry with their tax maneuvers, who invest money in foreign valuable paper, and not in the development of their own country, etc.
    Therefore, Strelkov, Kalashnikov, and in general any sane person, has every right to doubt the correctness of the decisions of the country's leadership!
    Regarding ROY TV: Kalashnikov and the Party of Affairs are one of the few patriots who poses the right questions, and most importantly, offer practical solutions without cheering patriotism and hatred.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 03 New
      -1
      znorik

      Something you wrote, but obviously a lot is not right.

      GDP could say anything about the liberal rate. At the time, new features and reasons for changing the point of view are coming and appearing.

      How did you remember the oil industry? So the question is not straightforward. There is a large percentage of national, state property. The concepts of state ownership and taxes are not compatible. Since all profits belong to the state.
  • sssla
    sssla 23 October 2015 11: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: Igor39
    smacks of it.

    And a year ago, who questioned Igor Yuryevich’s talent in disgrace! O times about loyalty!
    1. avt
      avt 23 October 2015 19: 34 New
      0
      Quote: sssla
      And a year ago, who questioned the talent of Igor Yuryevich

      Well, I set and
      Quote: Bayonet
      ! It was funny to read and get cons from enthusiastic defenders.

      I received not only minuses but also hysterical comments in response
      Quote: Bayonet
      And now, just Girkin

      And Girkin / Strelkov wrote. Well, who ended up right? And all the business was ready to sit and see who it was that same BabaYa / Mozhaeva was promoting with posters about 300 riflemen.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 23 October 2015 11: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: Igor39
    Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...

    Oh, how long has he been extolled here? They magnified solely on their patronymic - Igor Ivanovich, commander, strategist, for president they predicted! It was funny to read and get cons from enthusiastic defenders. And now, just Girkin (liberalist?), Which was to be expected. smile hi
    1. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 23 October 2015 12: 46 New
      +1
      You’re right. I already wrote that the party’s line rules here and most likely “We’re eating Russia.” Quite a long time ago the tail wagged. Here and there. And the farther, the more the tail swings. There are more statues justifying the actions of politicians which led the country to decline, more and more articles from the liberal camp and joined them. Well, the shkolota, she never had her own opinion, is hesitating with the course of the party. Such hesitations ruined the USSR. When the “communists” had to get up to defend the USSR, they waited expectantly, so they hesitated.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 10 New
      +2
      Bayonet

      Do not be a cynic. Someone casts a shadow on the wattle fence. Be more pragmatic. Look who needs it?

      If you are asked a question and for today you will give the correct answer. They will criticize and blame you tomorrow, only because your answer yesterday does not coincide with the present.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 24 October 2015 07: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        If you are asked a question and for today you will give the correct answer. They will criticize and blame you tomorrow, only because your answer yesterday does not coincide with the present.

        And I was not and I will not be a weather vane! I have my opinion and I’m not going to change it for the sake of someone! hi
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 24 October 2015 08: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Bayonet
          I have my opinion and I’m not going to change it for the sake of someone!

          Even when you understand that you are wrong? wink
          This I do not claim, but to clarify the position for. yes
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  • Yars
    Yars 23 October 2015 15: 25 New
    -2
    Quote: Igor39
    Girkin imagines himself a strategist and politician, liberal smacks of him ...

    Yes, it was initially clear that he was a liberal, his task was to do everything so that the world, and especially Europe, believed that Russia was behind the events in the Donbas and there were Russian troops there! what Girkin did successfully !!!
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 16: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: YARS
      Yes, it was initially clear that he was a liberal,

      Girkin Liberal belay
      Quote: YARS
      His task was to do everything so that the world, and especially Europe, believed that Russia was behind the events in the Donbass and there were Russian troops there! what Girkin did successfully!

      really great to ridiculous one step
      By the way, Yars, have you always had a Ukrainian flag, and here is German?
      Do you prefer to fade to the adversary and NATO member, and not to Russia?
      1. Yars
        Yars 23 October 2015 17: 14 New
        +4
        and you so follow my flags? Does the flag opposite my nickname bother you or my opinion ?!
        You are funny my statement ?! Then prove the opposite! In general, when the Jews and liberals of our forum defend Girkin, this once again proves for me from where Girkin’s breeze is blowing! I want to emphasize right away that so now many do not yell, I am not an anti-Semite and have nothing against the Jews!
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 14 New
      +1
      Yars

      This is what you say now. And two years ago no one really understood anything.

      The only statement was the GDP so that they would not hold a referendum. Which was not heard. And everything started spontaneously and unpredictably.

      So, you cannot judge retroactively.
      1. Yars
        Yars 24 October 2015 11: 58 New
        -1
        Quote: gladcu2
        Yars

        This is what you say now. And two years ago no one really understood anything.

        The only statement was the GDP so that they would not hold a referendum. Which was not heard. And everything started spontaneously and unpredictably.

        So, you cannot judge retroactively.


        I agree, I do not deny this, I even wrote a comment in his favor. To me personally, initially, the phrase of him and his associates "we Russians came to save the Russians in Ukraine" seemed provocative, but the emotions about the deployment of troops to the Donbass and the bombing of the civilian population overshadowed the vigilance! Putin and Primakov also said that Russia is for the integrity of Ukraine!
  • TiGRoO
    TiGRoO 23 October 2015 15: 45 New
    0
    It’s worse here, he is a monarchist and his goal is to put the new king on the Russian throne ...
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 23 October 2015 18: 49 New
      0
      Quote: TiGRoO
      he is a monarchist

      It is unclear who he is.
      Today is a liberal, tomorrow is a monarchist, the day after tomorrow a nationalist, and in a month Marx will be idolized ...
  • MAFIA
    MAFIA 24 October 2015 01: 42 New
    0
    Girkin recovered.
  • Andrey Petrov47
    Andrey Petrov47 24 October 2015 02: 50 New
    0
    Jews in the military are suspicious.
  • yugan
    yugan 24 October 2015 03: 17 New
    0
    In general, his (Girkin's) statements regarding Syria are strange. How can a person who does not know a priori the situation there make such categorical conclusions? It can only speculate, but speculation is the essence of the same fantasy.
  • igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 25 October 2015 07: 23 New
    +1
    Why do you think so. In vain. It's just that he is a patriot of his country. If it becomes very bad, he will be the first to take up arms to defend the Country. It is necessary to distinguish between fighters of the propaganda front, who include two respected gentlemen and a man of business. He does not possess persuasion skills like these gentlemen. He also supports his country. His simple statements are very different from the speeches of Kurginyan and Korotich. But unfortunately he has the right to express them. In his mind, he understands that reality is much harsher than the figures who are pushing on television screens broadcast it. He is the only one. I do not believe. There are thousands of them who want the greatness of the country. Yes they criticize but they have their own and have the right all the more so they will not be aloof if suddenly. Yes, everyday life is not at all what they wanted and the changes are very slow. Girkin is afraid of one in Syria so that we would not make a mistake there. They cost human lives dearly. This is his pain. There are many cars in the world, but one life. A car can be repaired, a new one can be built, and there is no life. And it’s strange that these gentlemen attacked Girkin, they meet on round tables on television with more worthy faces from whom warps stronger. But strange they do not touch and do not criticize. Strange.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 25 October 2015 23: 26 New
    0
    Obviously, who would have thought that Girkin was not quite “right”, but from whose lips, a year ago, Skomorokhov would have squandered Sveto for such “sedition”. Apparently a "hangover" is better than a "binge", or rather, "rapture by the heroes of the Donbass." I didn’t expect, although the first one "saw the light" Alexander Romanov. Sincerely.
  • Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 23 October 2015 06: 30 New
    +33
    I myself fell a victim of Strelkov-Girkin’s “charm”. And he yelled to himself at Kurginyan obscene. But he quickly realized where the wind was blowing. Especially after the Girkin-Starikov debate. I will not write what I think about the "White Guard". I'm afraid to grab the eternal ban.
    1. Babr
      Babr 23 October 2015 06: 53 New
      +18
      Quote: Vladimir
      I myself fell a victim of Strelkov-Girkin’s “charm”. And he yelled to himself at Kurginyan obscene. But he quickly realized where the wind was blowing. Especially after the Girkin-Starikov debate. I will not write what I think about the "White Guard". I'm afraid to grab the eternal ban.

      And I'm the opposite. When he was promoted, he was wary.
      Stopped PR, and he spoke a fairly accessible language for understanding.
      I understand him.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 08: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Babr
        Stopped PR, and he spoke a fairly accessible language for understanding.
        I understand him.

        But in general, what is he wrong with the wrong thing?
        Has anyone generally identified salt from this interview?
        Shooters
        1. The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)
        2. The war in Syria, PR turns into a sacred war, while Novorossia finally merges
        3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable
        4. Assad has no prospects, and at best, it is a question of consolidation in the Alavite regions
        5. The failure in Syria is the largest geraldic defeat and therefore
        and. or the deployment of ground forces is inevitable
        b. Or ... Assad will have to merge the same
        El murid
        1. The time to help Assad is lost.
        2. In terms of resources - Syria does not represent anything
        4 Russia is not brmbit ISIS
        3. The collapse of Syria actually happened and to collect it back is neither real
        5. Well and so on note ISIS oil production 30t bar. in the afternoon - so carnations in the coffin of propaganda that ISIS dropped the price of oil
        6. Transnistria is forgotten, and the Donbass is drained methodically

        This is so in detail not focusing on the rest, which is not right?
        I honestly don't see anything
        1. Babr
          Babr 23 October 2015 08: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          I honestly don't see anything

          Me too. Rarely you and I are in the same harness.
          But here ..... hi
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 10: 34 New
            0
            Quote: Babr
            Me too. Rarely you and I are in the same harness

            Took off the tongue. And grace sometimes descends on Atalef. laughing
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 34 New
          +20
          Quote: atalef
          while Novorossia finally merges

          Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.
          Quote: atalef
          3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable

          There are no colossal expenses. The teachings of the dough are devoured many times more.
          Quote: atalef
          3. The collapse of Syria actually happened and to collect it back is neither real

          Well, there will be two, three states. It's okay.
          Quote: atalef
          6. Transnistria is forgotten

          By whom?
          Quote: atalef
          I honestly don't see anything

          To bury 4000 rams fighting for ISIS in Syria is better than they returning.
          Healthy beach man, where are my women in swimsuits? laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 08: 44 New
            -8
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

            Sanya, having blocked the border, half will run away, the second will have a drink and will sing Hai alive with foam at his mouth, but what about the partisans (of course, like in Chechnya and Dagestan), but to what sense? Ukraine will not disappear from this and Donbass will not become Russia
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There are no colossal expenses. The teachings of the dough are devoured many times more.

            Come on, also compared me
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, there will be two, three states. It's okay.

            Well, as long as the states arise, it will take time, nevertheless, Syria (from this) will never be united again.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: atalef
            6. Transnistria is forgotten
            By whom?

            And what do you hear in the news about Transnistria? And that the blockade has already been lifted?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            To bury 4000 rams fighting for ISIS in Syria is better than they returning.

            Entering the war of Russia - will generate another 20 tons of the same, but seeing in Russia a legitimate enemy.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Healthy beach man, where are my women in swimsuits?

            On the beach laughing Although yours are probably already wearing fur coats laughing What is the temperature in Komsomolsk?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 56 New
              +8
              Quote: atalef
              Sanya, blocking the border - half scatter

              No, they have no where to run. This is the difficulty.
              Quote: atalef
              Ukraine will not disappear from this and Donbass will not become Russia

              I thought Putin would recognize Donbass, but I was wrong. Kiev Sanya is expensive, because read the sparrow.
              Quote: atalef
              And what do you hear in the news about Transnistria? And that the blockade has already been lifted?

              I don’t give a damn about the media, I have people there. Everything’s in there, nothing new.
              Quote: atalef

              Entrance to the war of Russia-will generate another 20 tons of the same

              Enough land for everyone.
              Quote: atalef
              What is the temperature in Komsomolsk?

              +10 tongue And not in fur coats, but in fur swimsuits bully
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 October 2015 09: 09 New
                -5
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, they have no where to run. This is the difficulty.

                There is always where to run (by the way, but they will not be allowed into Russia? laughing it means no drain laughing )
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I thought Putin would recognize Donbass, but I was wrong. Kiev Sanya is expensive, because read the sparrow

                Sanya, did you decide that Syria is cheaper? belay
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I don’t give a damn about the media, I have people there. Everything’s in there, nothing new.

                Right, blockade is nothing new
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Enough land for everyone.

                Who would doubt that. I wrote you a famous saying
                The difference between smart and wise
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                +10 And not in fur coats, but in fur swimsuits
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 09: 58 New
                  +5
                  Quote: atalef
                  The difference between smart and wise

                  You just don't understand kaif
              2. Good me
                Good me 23 October 2015 10: 31 New
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: atalef
                And what do you hear in the news about Transnistria? And that the blockade has already been lifted?
                I don’t give a damn about the media, I have people there. Everything’s in there, nothing new.


          2. andj61
            andj61 23 October 2015 09: 34 New
            +12
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            To bury 4000 rams fighting for ISIS in Syria is better than they returning.

            I wanted to start opposing the atalef - so Romanov took it right off the tongue! good hi
            Syria is the teachings of some military branches in a combat situation. And the granny’s teachings are budgeted and successfully spent.
            Plus, there are geopolitical moments that are in no way connected with Syria. Russia proves that it is able to lead - and leads! - an independent policy. And the USA cannot oppose anything to Russia. The recognition of this by the world community is worth a lot! bully
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 09: 52 New
              -5
              Quote: andj61
              Syria is the teachings of some military branches in a combat situation. And the granny’s teachings are budgeted and successfully spent.

              Do you know the difference between teachings and Syria?
              Teachings on your territory and you start and finish them when you want
              The exercises on its territory do not bear you any geopolitical risks and image losses
              teachings cannot end in defeat or victory.
              Quote: andj61
              Plus, there are geopolitical moments that are in no way connected with Syria. Russia proves that it is able to lead - and leads! - independent policy

              You know, the same thing (as an example) I married for the first time, proving to my parents that I could pursue an affirmative policy, then I paid child support for 15 years, leaving home with two bags laughing
              independent - does not mean everything is correct and successful
              Quote: andj61
              And the USA cannot oppose anything to Russia. The recognition of this by the world community is worth a lot!

              Take your time - everything is just beginning. begins.
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 10: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

            Without fuel supplies and other things, Novorossia will last a maximum of six months.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There are no colossal expenses. The teachings of the dough are devoured many times more.

            Not at times of course, but I agree.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, there will be two, three states. It's okay.

            Geopolitically defeated.
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            By whom?

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            By whom?

            Everyone postponed as a so far unnecessary thing. As needed - pulled out.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 11: 32 New
              +4
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Without fuel supplies and other things, Novorossia will last a maximum of six months.

              Yes, fuel is regularly supplied there.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Geopolitically defeated.

              Well, sorry, take it as it is. Yes, and in fact, no one says that we are going to free Syria. While the attack is on, we are helping, then that's enough.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Everyone postponed as a so far unnecessary thing. As needed - pulled out.

              What is wrong there right now?
          4. Gardamir
            Gardamir 23 October 2015 11: 47 New
            0
            to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic
            no need to disarm anyone. Didn’t I read here that refugees are returning to Donetsk, not those who fled to Russia. and those that fled to the west of Krajina. How they will vote on the next election. When there is no front and a quiet movement between west and east will be possible, will kidnappings begin. Just Kiev will merge with Donetsk and everyone will forget the word New Russia. In any case, those who were categorically against such a development of events "accidentally died."
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 11: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: Gardamir
              Didn’t I read here that refugees are returning to Donetsk, not those who fled to Russia. and those who fled to the west Krajin

              A lot are also coming back from Russia.
              Quote: Gardamir
              When there is no front and a quiet movement between west and east is possible,

              To do this, you need to disarm the Donbass, and this is impossible!
              Quote: Gardamir
              . In any case, those who were categorically against such a development of events "accidentally died."

              For example, who accidentally died?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 23 October 2015 12: 29 New
                0
                Alexander you are inattentive
                To do this, you need to disarm the Donbass, and this is impossible!
                Minsk agreements suggest unification. For example, Brain accidentally died.
          5. tomket
            tomket 23 October 2015 12: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

            By the way, where is the last "icon" of those who conceived, Motorola "?
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 14: 13 New
              -4
              Quote: tomket
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Sanya, to merge Novorossia (Donbass), it needs to be disarmed. This is unrealistic.

              By the way, where is the last "icon" of those who conceived, Motorola "?

              He tried to convince everyone that in Syria.
              1. tomket
                tomket 23 October 2015 15: 41 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                He tried to convince everyone that in Syria.

                Is he there or not ???
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 16: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: tomket
                  Quote: atalef
                  He tried to convince everyone that in Syria.

                  Is he there or not ???

                  judging by this video - This is definitely not Syria
                  1. tomket
                    tomket 23 October 2015 17: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    judging by this video - This is definitely not Syria

                    Vegetation looks more like what is growing outside my window. Apparently fell victim to self-PR ....
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 23 October 2015 17: 13 New
                      -1
                      Quote: tomket
                      Quote: atalef
                      judging by this video - This is definitely not Syria

                      Vegetation looks more like what is growing outside my window. Apparently fell victim to self-PR ....

                      Oh well.
                      Well, as it was necessary to otmazatsya somehow, the glory of the hero and the halo over his head - you get used to it.
            2. kg pv
              kg pv 23 October 2015 17: 31 New
              +2
              About two weeks ago I was in Moscow.
              What does he have to do with it?
              1. kg pv
                kg pv 23 October 2015 18: 17 New
                +2
                Well, justify the minus please. what
                I didn’t say that Motor was in Moscow, but said that he was here, he came to a meeting of the Donbass Volunteers Union (unfortunately, we didn’t have time to come with a friend)
                And do not weave it into moronic disputes.
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        3. Santa Claus
          Santa Claus 23 October 2015 08: 40 New
          +4
          I also think so .. Late to drink Borjomi .. In Syria, at best, they will be able to gain a foothold in certain territories. They are going to make 2 permanent bases - probably this is right .. But the Donbass are definitely preparing for the transition to dill .. The ruling oligarchs seem to have more or less agreed with whom it is necessary. Transnistria sausages in full. And ours seems to have completely stopped paying attention to it. While the regime in Kiev will be Amer’s, Transnistria’s chances of survival are minimal.
        4. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 23 October 2015 08: 44 New
          +12
          Quote: atalef
          1. The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)

          If no one voiced this long-term strategy, this does not mean that it does not exist.
          Quote: atalef
          2. The war in Syria, PR turns into a sacred war, while Novorossia finally merges

          Where is Syria, and where is New Russia .....?
          And why is one so stubbornly fastened to the other? This is not a war on two fronts.
          Quote: atalef
          3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable

          I didn’t see the budget for military spending ... Has anyone seen? what
          About irrevocability ... Guess who will restore the infrastructure and economy in Syria. Rather than thank you?
          It seems to me that Assad Jr. flew to Moscow not to show off in front of cameras with GDP, but to a personal meeting organized by GDP from his comrades. But with whom - a separate question.

          Hello Alexander!
          hi
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 09: 17 New
            -3
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            If no one voiced this long-term strategy, this does not mean that it does not exist.

            I saw the same video about the gopher, but the question is - what is Russia's strategy in Syria? What are the goals - voice.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Where is Syria, and where is New Russia .....?

            Hey . Ilyich !!
            Well, you don’t need to explain wink
            Syria is far from Russia, it is in the BV and Arabs live there (moreover, they differ in faith and development)
            New Russia is the border of Russia and the Slav brothers live there. speaking the same language and being part of the Russian world

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            I didn’t see the budget for military spending ... Has anyone seen?

            Well 10 lard forgiven. then they gave another 4 (4 years ago) - well then, they say the costs are minimal - 3 billion a year, now with the introduction of grouping - more.
            By the way, who considered indirect losses?

            Quote: stalkerwalker
            About irrevocability ... Guess who will restore the infrastructure and economy in Syria. Rather than thank you?

            And who will pay? Is Syria really? Or maybe you call her solvent allies laughing
            If you say Iran, I will laugh even more. Look at inflation in Iran over the past year.
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            It seems to me that Assad Jr. flew to Moscow not to show off in front of cameras with GDP, but to a personal meeting organized by GDP from his comrades.

            Well, think ? Who visited GDP before Assad?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 23 October 2015 09: 33 New
              +7
              Quote: atalef
              I saw the same video about the gopher, but the question is - what is Russia's strategy in Syria? What are the goals - voice.

              I will not call the GDP moves brilliant, because the party is in full swing.
              But I can not disagree with his argument, cited the other day on the “Valdai” that it’s better to put it in someone else's outhouse - it will be cleaner.
              The operation of the Russian air forces in Syria is a rather forced measure. But as preventive and necessary.
              Quote: atalef
              And who will pay? Is Syria really

              Russia rides "copyright".
              In the case of the overthrow of Assad, the situation will be ten orders of magnitude worse.
              Quote: atalef
              Well, think ? Who visited GDP before Assad?

              But I did not remember ....
              I'm sick... fellow

              1. atalef
                atalef 23 October 2015 11: 09 New
                -6
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                I will not call the moves of GDP brilliant

                What at least


                Quote: stalkerwalker
                But I can not disagree with his argument, cited the other day on the “Valdai” that it’s better to put it in someone else’s toilet

                Linguistics and nothing more. Sometimes it's better not to interfere in someone else's toilet at all
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Russia rides "copyright".

                Again words, copyrighted by what? Of course you will tell me again about non-existent oil and gas. And who needs it now?
                The conversation is only about one thing - when the investment is paid off - the answer is never.
                Question - why? , the answer is not clear
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                In the case of the overthrow of Assad, the situation will be ten orders of magnitude worse.

                I do not think.
                For Russia, for sure.
                Although, remember what I tell you. Assad will not be in power. This will be arranged beautifully - as the will of the Syrian people.
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                But I did not remember ....
                I'm sick...

                Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel - I remind you hi
        5. oracul
          oracul 23 October 2015 09: 01 New
          +3
          Girkin strategist? Do not make me laugh. The whole history of mankind indicates that all attempts to sit behind the fortress walls were doomed to failure. The main question is always - for what is all this being done by Russia? For the sake of territories, for the sake of natural resources, for the sake of profit? No. As in life, a brave and strong spirit comes to the rescue of someone whom, as happens in life, is beaten by a gang. Or you have to sit, count the numbers (who has how much) and cry in a vest. The truth is on our side. But with whose supply and whose mill Girkin pours water, this is a big question. You can, of course, and recklessly believe him - this is the right of anyone. Only the speed with which he disappeared from the Donbass speaks far from in his favor.
        6. Imperialkolorad
          Imperialkolorad 23 October 2015 09: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          This is so in detail not focusing on the rest, which is not right?
          I honestly don't see anything

          Almost everything is wrong. Here, Russia can be compared with a chess player who has at least 2 times less pieces than his opponents, but our president is surprisingly good at this amount. Therefore, one should not scream once again about pronated all-polymers.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 09: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Almost everything is wrong.

            Come on points
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Here Russia can be compared with a chess player who has at least 2 times less pieces than his opponents,

            And? - Does this automatically guarantee victory?
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            but our president is surprisingly good at this amount.

            Are there any real successes?
            Quote: ImperialKolorad
            Therefore, one should not scream once again about pronated all-polymers.

            decode the previous paragraphs, and then draw a conclusion. Suddenly I'm wrong? wink
          2. Gorinich
            Gorinich 23 October 2015 09: 36 New
            +4
            "Putin’s rating, tearing all the obstacles in its path and breaking through reinforced concrete floors, has already become a subject of irony: another 4 percent, the Internet says, and it will be equal to Ceausescu’s rating. Before the shooting." This quote....
        7. Angro Magno
          Angro Magno 23 October 2015 09: 21 New
          +3
          I understand everything clearly. Plans for the destruction of Syria foiled, Israel in mourning. Cry, atalef, cry. But I’m not going to.
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 09: 35 New
            -2
            Quote: Angro Magno
            , Israel in mourning. Cry, atalef, cry.

            Unlike you, I’m a realist and ... for now, just smiling
            Quote: Angro Magno
            But I’m not going to.

            Yes, and not necessary. hi
        8. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 09: 26 New
          +4
          "... The time to help Assad is lost!" as the initiative was missed and success after Crimea was not fixed.
          For the first time I agree with you 100%, atalef! Sorry, even yourself, is unpleasant. But fact is fact.
          The most important - TIME FACTOR - has been missed. The adversary took hold, took the initiative and counterattacked.
          "A good spoon for dinner" - as they say.
        9. igor.borov775
          igor.borov775 23 October 2015 10: 19 New
          0
          Gentlemen this year, the United States made a major breakthrough in reducing public debt. So, there they are talking about IG
        10. znorick
          znorick 23 October 2015 10: 54 New
          +3
          Yes, the majority of HEs are not familiar with the concepts: own opinion, analytical thinking, cause-effect relationships, etc. No offense, comrades - just look at your comments.
          1. science fiction writer
            science fiction writer 23 October 2015 11: 25 New
            +3
            No offense, comrades - just look at your comments

            We look at both ours and yours. tongue
        11. murking
          murking 23 October 2015 12: 32 New
          +5
          What a foolish Jew =)
          1 The purpose of the operation, assistance to the Assad ground grouping, the consolidation of our bases on the coast, the desert territory is unnecessary for us, let the Americans take it.
          2 Novorossia is a delirium of the Jew, the goal was different and achieved, a frozen conflict preventing Ukraine from joining NATO
          3 Almost no expenses, correspond to the costs of the exercises.
          4 In general, there is a lot of laziness to paint, on such a tough and stupid nonsense, we will leave tidbits of Syria for ourselves, we don’t need the desert, we didn’t go in before, because the mules with Assad thought they could do it and were against our bases. As a result, everything will be ruined , Iran will sell oil, buy our weapons for money from oil, and gradually begin to make bobos to Israel =)
        12. tomket
          tomket 23 October 2015 12: 45 New
          -4
          Quote: atalef
          But in general, what is he wrong with the wrong thing?
          Has anyone generally identified salt from this interview?
          Shooters

          People are just pleased to listen to the victorious TV broadcasts about how "the barmalei flew to the earth, under the pressure of steel and fire" without especially bothering their heads with simple questions.
        13. Albert1988
          Albert1988 23 October 2015 15: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)

          And why did you decide that the group (albeit aviation) will not undergo further changes, let’s say so?
          Quote: atalef
          The war in Syria is turning PR into a sacred war, with Novorossia finally merging

          The war against terrorists in the whole world has been turned into a "public" one, as for Novorosia, there is peace for the time being (pah-pah not to jinx it), and even Ukrainians for the most part observe it, so Novorossia is clearly not drained, but "frozen" "like Transnistria.
          Quote: atalef
          Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable

          And how enormous are the costs of operating 30 aircraft that drop old Soviet bombs from warehouses (natural disposal), supplies and fuel to Syria are cheaper to deliver than to the same Far East of Russia itself.
          Quote: atalef
          Assad has no prospects, and in the best case, it is a question of consolidation in the Alavite regions

          No one says that Assad should remain AFTER, ours say that he is legitimate NOW, that is, we will finish his bearded man. and then we will vote, for whom they vote - that will be.
          Quote: atalef
          The failure in Syria is the largest geraldic defeat and therefore

          Failure in Syria will lead to the victory of only Islamic radicals, and this will be a geopolitical defeat for everyone, including the United States, for everyone will see that the "moderate" are mute.
          Quote: atalef
          Russia is not brigit ISIS

          The old mantra of our "partners" - as they say, where is your evidence? You stood nearby and saw whom Russia is bombing?
          Quote: atalef
          Transnistria is forgotten, and Donbass is drained methodically

          Pridnestrovie is still holding onto something, and the Donbass has been merged for a year now, as a result of past discharges became Debaltseve, the emergence of a well-organized army in the republics, in principle, you can continue no further ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 23 October 2015 16: 27 New
            -5
            Quote: Albert1988
            And why did you decide that the group (albeit aviation) will not undergo further changes, let’s say so?

            certainly undergo.
            Quote: Albert1988
            The war against terrorists in the whole world has been turned into a "public" one, as for Novorosia, there is peace for the time being (pah-pah not to jinx it), and even Ukrainians for the most part observe it, so Novorossia is clearly not drained, but "frozen" "like Transnistria.

            A good prospect for Novorossia, 25 years old (as in Transnistria, no passport, nothing under the control of organized crime groups.
            So what were you fighting for? Remember, Ukraine is not allowed to enter the EU? Or Russian to save?
            Quote: Albert1988
            And how enormous are the costs of operating 30 aircraft that drop old Soviet bombs from warehouses (natural disposal), supplies and fuel to Syria are cheaper to deliver than to the same Far East of Russia itself.

            All 4 years, everything that they fight in Syria is paid by Russia.
            Quote: Albert1988
            No one says that Assad should remain AFTER, ours say that he is legitimate NOW, that is, we will finish his bearded man. and then we will vote, for whom they vote - that will be.

            In a parallel universe. It is interesting, provided that 70% of Syria are Sunnis - for whom they will vote request
            Quote: Albert1988
            Failure in Syria will lead to the victory of only Islamic radicals, and this will be a geopolitical defeat for everyone, including the United States, for everyone will see that the "moderate" are mute.

            moderate there have long been NEMA
            Quote: Albert1988
            The old mantra of our "partners" - as they say, where is your evidence? You stood nearby and saw whom Russia is bombing?

            Yes, I’m close by and often see Syria and even without binoculars
            1. Albert1988
              Albert1988 23 October 2015 17: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              certainly undergo.

              Then your doubts about the availability of a strategic plan are groundless.
              Quote: atalef
              A good prospect for Novorossia, 25 years old (as in Transnistria, no passport, nothing under the control of organized crime groups.

              They already have their passport, but to travel abroad is already quietly distributing Russian passports to everyone who wants it. They are economically connected with Russia anyway, the connection will remain - everything will be normal, breaking the economy of relations with Russia - that would be a complete disaster for Donbass.
              Quote: atalef
              So what were you fighting for? Remember, Ukraine is not allowed to enter the EU? Or Russian to save?

              I allow myself to answer you with a question to the question - are you a realist or who? If a realist, then you yourself can answer this question.
              Quote: atalef
              In a parallel universe. It is interesting, provided that 70% of Syria are Sunnis - for whom they will vote

              That's when the vote takes place - then we will watch.
              Quote: atalef
              All 4 years, everything that they fight in Syria is paid by Russia.

              Proofs, as they say! To the studio! I agree, the Syrians are fighting with Russian / Soviet weapons, but I haven’t seen something there for 4 years all the recent export models, just recently, even the bearded children didn’t show anything — everything is old, Soviet.
              Quote: atalef
              moderate there have long been NEMA

              This only confirms that in case of their victory everyone will have a "geopolitical defeat".
              Quote: atalef
              Yes, I’m close by and often see Syria and even without binoculars

              And see directly all of Syria? And you see right there who is igil and who is not? I also want such binoculars! And then you yourself said:
              Quote: atalef
              moderate there have long been NEMA

              That is, it turns out that all terrorism and whom to bomb no difference, which means it is logical to assume that Russia bombes in the first place those goals that require strategic need? And doesn’t it seem strange to you that when they say that Russia doesn’t bomb the igles, the United States itself refuses to give us data on the deployment of this very igil? I see this very strange ...
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 October 2015 08: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Albert1988
                Then your doubts about the availability of a strategic plan are groundless.

                she will endure not because of the plan, but due to compelled circumstances
                Quote: Albert1988
                They already have their passport, but to travel abroad is already quietly distributing Russian passports to everyone who wants it.

                and . well yes .
                Quote: Albert1988
                If a realist, then you yourself can answer this question.

                My opinion ? Donbass has nothing to do with the salvation of Russians. It was a plan to tear the belt from Ukraine to Transnistria. Failed, now you have to pull what is and understand what to do with it at all.
                10t Slavs died for what? And so that Ukraine would not enter the EU.
                Quote: Albert1988
                Proofs, as they say! To the studio! I agree, the Syrians are fighting with Russian / Soviet weapons, but I haven’t seen something there for 4 years all the recent export models, just recently, even the bearded children didn’t show anything — everything is old, Soviet.

                If you are attentive and often are in VO, then you would see screenshots of a walker of Russian BDK in Syria. For 20 flights a month, do you think they carry roses and bottled water?
                Quote: Albert1988
                And see directly all of Syria?

                No, but much more than you.
                Quote: Albert1988
                And you see right there who is igil and who is not? I also want such binoculars! And then you yourself said:

                Well, unlike you, we have more info. Moreover, you plunged into this conflict (informationally) well, maybe a year ago, but we follow it from the very beginning, and I remember very well how it started and how it developed

                Quote: Albert1988
                And doesn’t it seem strange to you that when they say that Russia doesn’t bomb the igles, the United States itself refuses to give us data on the deployment of this very igil? I see this very strange ...

                Well, yes, where is the SSA - Russia knows, and where ISIS - no. Do not find it strange? Especially in the media, only ISIS and bomb
                1. Albert1988
                  Albert1988 24 October 2015 13: 52 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  she will endure not because of the plan, but due to compelled circumstances

                  So you predict the future? And then "forced circumstances" are different - a strategic necessity is also a "forced circumstance."
                  Quote: atalef
                  My opinion ?

                  if you consider that only absolute idealists could believe in the opposite of the option you presented ... Although I can correct it, Ukraine will not be taken to the European Union anyway, never ... And the "goal" to cut through the corridor in Transnistria is also such a horror story / mantra of our "partners "- because it’s enough to chop off any decent piece (like Georgia), whose independence Ukraine does not recognize, and voila — its NATO membership was crying (Georgia has been out there for 7 years and no end has been seen).
                  Quote: atalef
                  If you are attentive and often are in VO, then you would see screenshots of a walker of Russian BDK in Syria. For 20 flights a month, do you think they carry roses and bottled water?

                  Do you know that such walks have gone only the last half of the year? Before that, there were flights there too, but not so often, and in the first 2 years of the conflict there was no special help at all.
                  Quote: atalef
                  No, but much more than you.

                  Hmm, but still I really don’t understand how you see who is igil and who isn’t, or do they directly shout to you - "I am not igil, am I moderate?" And then - I somehow did not notice in your comment the offer to drink nabrudershaft)))
                  Quote: atalef
                  Well, unlike you, we have more info.

                  Where does infa come from? If even the Americans who actively support someone there cannot name the leaders of these same ones? And given the attitude of Israel towards Syria ... As an example, many Ukrainians are also "aware" of the fact that there are in the Crimea and in Russia in general))))) And then Russia has not been a year in the information chambers in this conflict, although I admit - actively it was lit with great interruptions, for example, it was lit very well before the Maidan, then, of course, there was a break, now it’s in the spotlight again))))
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 15: 11 New
                    0
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    So you predict the future? And then there are different “forced circumstances” - a strategic necessity is also a “forced circumstance”

                    of course and they will arise
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Do you know that such walks have gone only the last half of the year?

                    Before
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Hmm, but still, I really don’t understand how you see who igil and who not

                    areas occupied by each group are known
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Where does infa come from? If even the Americans who actively support someone there cannot name the leaders of these same ones?

                    Why call them?
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And then Russia has been in the media for information in this conflict for so long.

                    Okay, tell me how it all started? hi
                    1. Albert1988
                      Albert1988 24 October 2015 16: 08 New
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Before

                      Where then infa? From the Israeli media? So they wrote that our "shark" entered the Mediterranean Sea, where there are some kind of BDK)))
                      Quote: atalef
                      areas occupied by each group are known

                      What sources? How is it generally known that this bearded man is an igil, but that one is an-nusra. but these two - SSA?
                      Quote: atalef
                      Why call them?

                      Ha! Why - if the "moderate" position themselves as the future government, then their leaders should be in the ears and in the public eye, and they cannot be seen or heard, which causes legitimate suspicions ...
                      Quote: atalef
                      Okay, tell me how it all started?

                      Can you say it yourself? How did it all begin? It’s simple - nobody really needed Syria, but then they either found a lot of gas there, or Qatar needed to lay a gas pipeline there - it’s pointless to speculate on the real political background, but anti-government movements and speeches began to be actively financed, one of which was tyrant Assad allegedly shot. I do not argue - Assad is far from an angel - this is an autocrat, in Syria it was quite possible for some kind of "innocent" poster to go to jail, but the facts that there was such a "peaceful" protest there and he was so "ruthlessly shot" , in general, a typical Maidan.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 24 October 2015 16: 38 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Where then infa? From the Israeli media? So they wrote that our "shark" entered the Mediterranean Sea, where there are some kind of BDK)))


                        article for 2013
                        Of course, no country can declare the presence of certain weapons or the concluded contracts for their supply - this is part of the secrets of the state and the armed forces.

                        But I want to say that all contracts concluded with Russia are being implemented. And neither the crisis nor the pressure of the United States, Europe and the Gulf countries prevented their implementation. Russia supplies Syria with what is required for its defense and the protection of its people.

                        Читайте далее: http://izvestia.ru/news/556036#ixzz3pUY5h1C6

                        Israeli media did not write about Shark


                        Quote: Albert1988
                        What sources? How is it generally known that this bearded man is an igil, but that one is an-nusra. but these two - SSA?

                        Come on, look at any card, by the way, the SSA are not bearded - they are secular
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Ha! Why - if the "moderate" position themselves as the future government, then their leaders should be in the ears and in the public eye, and they cannot be seen or heard, which causes legitimate suspicions ...

                        Of course they are known, some of them are in Moscow, I’ll find a video now

                        Quote: Albert1988
                        It’s simple - nobody really needed Syria, but then either they found a lot of gas there, or Qatar needed to lay a gas pipeline there - it makes no sense to speculate on the real political background

                        Sorry, but apart from laughter, these words do not cause me.
                        Read about the dams (Turkish on Euphrates), then the impoverishment of the peasants and Assad's economic reforms - and then we'll talk
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        . I do not argue - Assad is far from an angel - this is an autocrat, in Syria it was quite possible for some kind of "innocent" poster to go to jail, but the facts that there was such a "peaceful" protest there,

                        in general, Assad is a typical idiot, not realizing that he is an Alawite, he cannot endlessly spread rot for 70% of the Sunni population. enriching themselves at their expense and not give the people even the slightest hope of change.
                        The year there lasted * Maidan *, quiet, bloodless, protests and no one climbed there.
                        But Assad decided to shoot (of the Sunnis) - the result is 120t of deserters and where did they go?
                        Read more, then you can prove something more reasonably hi
                      2. Albert1988
                        Albert1988 24 October 2015 21: 31 New
                        +1
                        Regarding this gentleman in the video: "Assad’s regime killed about half a million people according to our estimates," with a Syrian population of 22 million ... So he spat out the percentage of repressions of Joseph Vissarionych, and then who says that, who is that? Where from? There is a gangster Zakayev sitting in London and broadcasting there as evil Russians killed 250000 Chechens, gangsters looters from ukronatsibatalony who do not hide their Nazism, travel to Washington and meet with congressmen there. What do you want - I can come to the States and sing for money there how terrible Vova Putin is and how he killed 10 million people here, which I personally saw ...
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 24 October 2015 22: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        Regarding this gentleman in the video: "Assad’s regime killed about half a million people, according to our estimates," with a Syrian population of 22 million ... So he spat out the percentage of repressions of Joseph Vissarionych,

                        He means along with the war
                        Quote: Albert1988
                        What do you want - I can come to the States and sing for money there how terrible Vova Putin is and how he killed 10 million people here, which I personally saw ...

                        Well, I don’t know about 500t, but the people there are not measured or measured. One camp of Yarmouk’s palaces is worth it (it is in a suburb of Damascus), our palaces screamed that Assad killed 10 times more Palestinians than Israel.
                        But who will hear them, this is the Arab showdown.
                        Toli case. if the Jews of the Arab are shot, this is genocide.
            2. Albert1988
              Albert1988 24 October 2015 13: 52 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Well, yes, where is the SSA - Russia knows, and where ISIS - no

              This is when Russia said that it does not know where the igil is located? Just like this, one of the officials officially declared: "We absolutely do not know where the igil is!" Amers asked our cards from the igil because the Americans said - you didn’t bomb the igles, ours answered - let us bomb the cards, the Americans refused (do they also don’t know where the igil is? belay ) I find it really strange! And then - I saw land shots of all these "bearded pregnant children" when ours were bombing them - everyone has a beard, everyone says "Alla akbar", so what the hell is the difference who to bomb, if all are the same? It is logical that we must first bomb those goals that are required by strategic necessity?
              Quote: atalef
              Especially in the media, only ISIS and bomb

              And in Russia, for the most part, nobody cares who the igil there and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we used to look not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.
              1. atalef
                atalef 24 October 2015 15: 12 New
                0
                Quote: Albert1988
                And in Russia, for the most part, nobody cares who the igil there and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we used to look not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.

                ok, wait a month. You will see that the SSA suddenly ceases to be thugs. Do you want to bet?
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 October 2015 15: 31 New
                  0
                  Quote: atalef
                  Quote: Albert1988
                  And in Russia, for the most part, nobody cares who the igil there and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we used to look not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.

                  ok, wait a month. You will see that the SSA suddenly ceases to be thugs. Do you want to bet?

                  It is a pity that they did not argue, I gave a month, and not even an hour passed.
                  Russian aviation is ready to bomb the targets indicated by the moderate Syrian opposition, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview with Russia-24 on October 1.

                  According to the Russian Foreign Minister, the main goal of Moscow is not to protect President Bashar al-Assad, but to protect the interests of all Syria, and for this it is necessary to normalize the situation in the country and not allow terrorist groups to seize power.

                  Sergey Lavrov noted that the successful actions of government forces should provide the necessary conditions for the resumption of the political process of resolving the crisis and allow for parliamentary and presidential elections.

                  The head of the Russian foreign ministry added that Moscow is ready for close cooperation with Washington in Syria, as well as for contacts with moderate opposition. He lamented the US’s refusal to provide information about the location of the opposition’s positions, which are not extremist groups like the Islamic State or Jabhat al-Nusra.

                  Something like that hi
                  1. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 24 October 2015 16: 12 New
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    It is a pity that they did not argue, I gave a month, and not even an hour passed.

                    And what contradicts my statements in this? Our people, as always, test all kinds of SSA and others for “lice” - supposedly if you really are such good and moderate, then coordinate with us your actions (which means stop fighting with Assad, at least temporarily), if not, do not blame me ...
                    If they say something like: "get out" the Russian occupiers "or we will arrange a second Afghanistan for you" (as one supposedly leader of this supposedly SSA was already trying to say, in ridiculously broken Russian - apparently hid excellent English lol ) - it will immediately become clear who is who.
                    Something like this, like that, dear Atalef hi soldier hi
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 16: 24 New
                    0
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And what contradicts my statements in this

                    I remind
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And in Russia, for the most part, nobody cares who the igil there and who is the "free Syrian (Chechens, Libyans, Arabs, Negroes) army" - we used to look not at the names, but at the essence, but the essence is that they are all bearded fanatical thugs.

                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Ours, as always, test all kinds of SSA and others for “lice” - they say if you really are such good and moderate

                    You know, I certainly understand why not make a good face with a bad game, but
                    I'll remind you (and if you want to find articles by tags)
                    1. Russia argued that the SSA does not exist and all those fighting against Assad are illegal
                    2. moderate opposition does not exist
                    At the same time, they were bombed (of course, exclusively on a tip from the Syrian General Staff) - only that it turned out that the US first warned that it would put the SSA - stingers (there was an article on VO), then ATGM (the same was an article on VO)
                    and somehow the rhetoric changed, didn’t you notice?
                    (I'm not talking about the fact that the Syrian army has not achieved any success, take my word for it (you may not believe it) - but it is.
                    What happened next?
                    This is evident from the statement of Lavrov.
                    And remember. The FSA (which is also Sunnis) - they will not agree to leave Assad in power - never.
                    Therefore (as I said, I'm sorry) Assad is a dead figure.
                    and if not Assad, then who? That's right - Sunni. With all the consequences. hi
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    If they say something like: "get out" the Russian occupiers "or we will arrange a second Afghanistan for you" (as by the way, one supposedly leader of this supposedly SSA already tried to say in ridiculously broken Russian, apparently hiding excellent English), then it will immediately become clear who is who there.

                    Well, suppose it is clear who and for whom, what does it change?
                    Assad troops will be more successful at war? Or how ?
                  3. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 24 October 2015 17: 09 New
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                    You know, I certainly understand why not make a good face with a bad game, but

                    I wrote that this is a test for "lice" - they say if there are "moderate" people, then they will agree to negotiations, if not, then we can bomb them as we want and no one will give us a decree, and you shouldn’t forget the information component))))
                    Quote: atalef
                    First, the US warned that it would put SSA - stingers (there was an article on VO), then ATGM (the same was an article on VO)
                    and somehow the rhetoric changed, didn’t you notice?

                    Because it has not changed - they have previously been offered negotiations and cooperation, but each time there was actually silence and cries of “Allahu akbar” in a different tone.
                    Regarding the stingers - I agree that you can pinch the “crocodile”, but you can’t get the rest in the conditions of even Syria.
                    Quote: atalef
                    I'm not talking about the fact that the Syrian army has not achieved any success, take my word for it (you may not believe it) - but it is.

                    Again, the proofs - because VO regularly publishes articles about the slow but still offensive of the Syrian army on many fronts, and the fact that they are moving quietly is understandable for so much time almost completely bloodless.
                    Quote: atalef
                    And remember. The FSA (which is also Sunnis) - they will not agree to leave Assad in power - never.
                    Therefore (as I said, I'm sorry) Assad is a dead figure.

                    And I didn’t say that Assad will be saved AFTER, I always rested on the fact that it will be NOW - that is, until the end of hostilities, and then with the right policies, you can put a profitable compromise figure, which can be Sunni, but adequate, and not a bearded monkey who indulges in carnivore.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well, suppose it is clear who and for whom, what does it change?
                    Assad troops will be more successful at war? Or how ?

                    Post-SSA (as well as SSA, SSU, SSO, etc.) will be bombed at the same pace (or maybe even denser), so Assad troops will not fight more successfully - bearded pregnant children will fight less successfully, but shave beards and wind up in Turkey in women's clothes more successfully (who is lucky not to get to the guria, of course).

                    In general, the Israelis should simply pray for Russia - because if Assad is blamed by the Islamists, then there will be no difference to Israel who is moderate there. and who isn’t - all this black extremist cancerous tumor will creep further into Palestine, to Gaza - the military has a splash again - people are cutting it with the knife right on the streets, and it’s clearly organized, and what will start, if the Lord doesn’t bring it, the igil will start to stir up your water ...
                  4. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 17: 23 New
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                    Quote: Albert1988
                    I wrote that this is a test for "lice" - they say if there are "moderate", then they will agree to negotiations, if not, then you can bomb them

                    Come on . I remember a 2-week statement by the Foreign Ministry. for moderate - moderate bombs
                    Russia is beginning to understand where it has climbed, so about the talks (the first message was in the talks between Putin and Shoigu) about 5 days ago. where he said you can talk with the SSA, but now this is the Foreign Ministry turned to the United States and the SSA. about the negotiations
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    as we want and no one decree to us,

                    And what, until today was a decree? Proto someone began to understand the realities
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Because it has not changed - they have previously been offered negotiations and cooperation, but each time there was actually silence and cries of “Allahu akbar” in a different tone.

                    And here, come on without fairy tales. or confirm with a link.
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Again, proofs - because VO regularly publishes articles on the slow but still offensive Syrian army

                    Well yes, they publish - and it's all true
                    wink
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    but the fact that they move quietly is understandable for so much time, almost completely bloodless.

                    No, they are moving slowly in open areas, but what about the cities?
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    And I didn’t say that Assad will survive AFTER, I always rested on the fact that it will be NOW

                    Now is when? There will be no real conversation until the absolutely exact framework is determined - when Assad leaves.
                    While the rhetoric will be - first, let's put things in order. and then, the people of Syria decide, the war will not stop
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    and then, with the right politics, you can put a profitable compromise figure, which may be Sunni, but adequate, and not a bearded monkey, which indulges in carnivore.

                    The fact that there will be Sunni is not even discussed. And the fact that Russia climbed on the side of Assad is unlikely to make this figure pro-Russian
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    , but shaving beards and winding to Turkey in women's clothes more successfully

                    Yes, okay, you still believe in these tales laughing
                  5. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 24 October 2015 21: 18 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Russia begins to understand where it climbed

                    Do you think that before that she did not understand? Of course, I’m far from being enthusiastic about our government and I’m happy that the people are sitting there ... not the best maral look, but don’t have to consider them clinical idiots and then Russia has had close contacts with Assad throughout the conflict, and if Since serious military assistance began recently, all sorts of advisers there with instructors have been working there for a long time, so I think that such “ignorance” is hardly probable in this situation. And then - and what about this actually Russia? What is she risking there? By authority - this is how we fight more productively than the Amer’s coalition, so that PR is on our side, moreover, in the case of Assad’s defeat, it will be possible to pay off, dumping everything on our “partners” ... And then Russia is still far away, and Israel is close what will happen if the bearded take power - no matter how it turns out, as with the Ukrainians, who now groan as well under Yanukovych))))
                    And what's more, why did you decide that Russia sets its goal (for this company at least) or the main goal is to keep Assad? Why don't you assume that goals may be different? For example, just to weaken the rebel movement so that it has less weight in the political process after Assad, or, for example, just to run certain types of weapons in combat conditions and train pilots?
                    And in general, about the "fairy tales" - I can tell you a secret - everything that you tell me, and everything that I tell you, and everything that we are told on TV - this is all essentially just "fairy tales", because real politics is done on the sidelines, because if a politician says A, it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t think B, the media in every country try to create their own vision of each particular event or process in the population - you have a minus sign, we have a plus sign, but that in reality is hidden from all but very few. And I have some idea what I'm talking about - my father’s friend is a diplomat, has a non-narrative experience. he worked in our embassies in Austria, Japan and the United States, in this kitchen he is like a fish in water, and he once explained to me how to relate to the policy that we see "on TV" and not trust him, I think there is no reason.
                    Why am I arguing with you, dear Atalef? Yes, just to show that you can find counterarguments for any of your arguments, no more, that if you and I see something, this does not mean that it really is, you may be right, or maybe I, although, most likely, both of us are right in some ways, we are mistaken in some ways, only time will tell, and that means to talk now is unproductive, this, by the way, applies to Igor Ivanovich, whom, by the way, I respect very much, and lately his rhetoric is purely as an expression of his opinion.
                  6. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 21: 34 New
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                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Do you think that before that she did not understand?

                    Yes, I think that the risks were not calculated, and indeed Russia does not understand what is happening in the BV, well, of course, we add that the situation in the Donbass played the same catalyst
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Russia has had close contacts with Assad throughout the conflict, and if serious military assistance began recently, all kinds of advisers there with instructors have been working there for a long time, so I think that such “ignorance” is hardly likely in this situation

                    Still, it is likely that the USSR helped the Arabs throughout all the wars, having advisers there from the battalion and above, nevertheless this did not prevent to lose all the wars outright and lose everything
                    So - the stand on Assad is stupid, even based on the realities of today. Sometimes it’s worth sacrificing the queen and winning the game, Russia is not ready to sacrifice the same pawn
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    By authority - this is how we fight more productively than the Amer coalition, so that PR is on our side, moreover in case of defeat

                    PR where? In Russia ? and how does that help?
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Why don't you assume that goals may be different? For example, just weaken the rebel movement so that it has less weight in the political process after Assad, or, for example, just run certain types of weapons under combat conditions and train pilots

                    Yes, because the SSA is local and Russia has no influence. You do not understand one. Russia got into a conflict initially on the side of the weak Assad-Shavite-Alavites, how can it dictate what, with 50 planes?
                    I would understand introduced a contingent (like the Americans in Iraq or Afghanistan) - and so? Yes, you can’t dictate anything, you are, at best, hostages of the Syrian General Staff and its introductory assets. And Assad’s army - which cannot fight
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    why am I arguing with you, dear Atalef? Yes, just to show that you can find counterarguments on any of your arguments, no more

                    well, truth is born in a dispute
                    Best regards hi
                  7. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 24 October 2015 22: 03 New
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                    Even if everything that you say is true, this does not deny the fact that Israel is on the “wrong” side - that Assad is far from a gift, I do not argue, BUT! He is much more sane than all the Caudle that opposes him and in this dark realm there are no rays of light ...
                    Remember Libya - there was a bloody terrible Gaddafi - he was overthrown and it became an order of magnitude worse ... There was all of himself so bad and corrupt Yanukovych - he was overthrown and it became many times worse ...
                    Now imagine what will happen after Assad ... And how will this affect the situation in neighboring unstable regions like Gaza or Palestine ...
                    I think that there’s nothing good, so it’s strange that you can’t understand what might well be that Assad simply has no alternative!
                    Just think of it as a possible option ...

                    And then - something the Israeli government was very willing to cooperate with Russia on this issue, albeit very limited.
                  8. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 22: 16 New
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                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Even if everything that you say is true, then this does not deny the fact that Israel is on the “wrong” side

                    Remember. Eugene, Israel is always on its side and not on whose other. We are too small for letters to be measured for someone. Assad is an enemy to us, we have a state of war with Syria and not to us, to fly to Syria. Assad will come and ask. offer - think about it.
                    And so? What should we run for Assad?
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    Remember Libya - there was a bloody terrible Gaddafi - he was overthrown and it became an order of magnitude worse.

                    Eugene - it doesn’t matter to us that in Libya these are their problems. yours or america. but not ours. and I honestly feel sorry for Gaddafi. there’s nothing the man got into, but we don’t care. from whether Gaddafi is alive or dead with a mop in the ass. our problems with palms are not resolved
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    . Was all of himself so bad and corrupt Yanukovych - he was overthrown and it became many times worse.

                    Israel (if you have noticed) and doesn’t go there - why will you go? See paragraph above
                    Quote: Albert1988
                    I think that there’s nothing good, so it’s strange that you can’t understand what might well be that Assad simply has no alternative!

                    are you okay? Assad no alternative.
                    There is no Assad, forget about him.
                    Let the Syrians understand. in today's situation. only absolutely unflappable can put on Assad, as a leader for the future.
                  9. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 24 October 2015 23: 25 New
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                    Quote: atalef
                    Eugene - it doesn’t matter to us that in Libya these are their problems.

                    Only now if you have your own "Libya" next to you ...
                    I know how the Israelis “love” Assad, what’s current, what’s his dad, but if everything is left to chance, it can only get worse.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Let the Syrians understand

                    Only the result of their disassembly may not please anyone ...
                    But Assad may be dead politically, only he is the only one who represents a secular state in Syria, all the rest are stupid religious fanatics, cutting heads. And I do not urge Israel to harness for Russia, I simply urge to think whether it is logical to wish Assad’s fall now, because if he holds on. it’s only due to the help of the honeycombs of the side, and therefore it will be possible to twirl them as you like, but if the bearded ones fall and come, then that’s all ...
                    Although it seems to me more and more that soon the whole Middle East will turn into one big Syria at such a pace ...
                  10. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 23: 44 New
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                    [quote = Albert1988] Only now if you have your own "Libya" next to you ... [/ quote]
                    Yes, she has already arisen
                    [quote = Albert1988] Assad may be dead politically, only here he is the only one who represents a secular state in Syria, [/ quote]
                    Nothing of the sort, SSA are secular
                    [quote = Albert1988] is it logical to wish for Assad’s fall now - if he holds on. it’s only due to the help of hundreds of parties, and therefore it will be possible to twist them as you like, [/ quote]
                    You can twirl Assad as you like, but how was he going to twirl Syria with 70% of the Sunnis?
                    [quote = Albert1988] Although it seems to me more and more that soon the whole Middle East at this pace will turn into one big Syria. [/ quote]
                    No, the time of color revolutions is over. Egypt has stabilized, the monarchy is the same.
                    Iran in the BV is muddying but not for long. read and think. infa today
                    [quote] Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Saturday, that Russia is ready for deep cooperation with the United States in Syria, as well as for bombing targets in the interests of the "moderate opposition". This happened shortly after the visit of President Bashar Assad to Moscow, whose support for the regime was previously called by the Russian leader Vladimir Putin the main goal of the air forces.
                    Lavrov gave an interview to the program "News on Saturday" channel "Russia-1". The program aired in the Far East. “We do not want to take into account specifically the interests of one Bashar al-Assad, or specifically the interests of one opposition,” Lavrov said. “We want to take into account the interests of Syria(my notes. late, after Russia realized that there was no sense from the Syrian army - it began to rush about). And for Syria it is important that there is a peaceful environment, the war ends as soon as possible, and that the terrorists do not get a chance to seize power in Damascus, and indeed in any other part of Syria. "(Quote from Interfax.)

                    - Lavrov discussed with Kerry a political settlement
                    - SSA rejected Lavrov’s proposal
                    The Russian Foreign Minister also said that, according to Russia, the successes of the Syrian army should lead to the beginning of a political dialogue. Its component, according to Reuters, should be parliamentary and presidential elections.(my notes. in the country where Assad is Alaite and was lying on Shiite bayonets of Iran and Hezbollah, who will be chosen by 7% of the Sunnis?)

                    Moscow is ready to coordinate its actions in Syria with the United States as much as possible and support from the air and moderate opposition in the Arab Republic, the minister also said. "The big mistake is the Americans’ refusal to coordinate their anti-terrorism campaign with us.(my notes - and I wrote that the Americans will not coordinate, they will calmly let Russia get bogged down, and then watch and rub their hands. That is what happened) We are prepared for such coordination as deeply as possible. Moreover, we are ready to include patriotic opposition, including the so-called "Free Syrian Army" also maintain from the airalthough they refuse to provide information about where, according to American estimates, where the terrorists are, where are the patriotic opposition, "RIA Novosti quoted the minister as saying.
                  11. atalef
                    atalef 24 October 2015 23: 44 New
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                    Extension
                    "The main thing for us is to reach out to people who will authoritatively represent certain armed groups opposing terrorism, including "(my notes - that is, including?), the minister added. [/ quote]
                    do you want the opposition’s answer?
                    [quote] The head of one of the units of the "Free Syrian Army" said that the group does not need military assistance from Russia. It is reported by Reuters. So the opposition responded to the words of Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, who said that Moscow was ready to provide air support to the “Free Syrian Army”.
                    "Russia must stop bombing the Free Army before offering support that we did not ask for," said Fares Bayoush. [/ Quote]
                    interesting answer, huh?
                    like going against the assertions that Assad is already winning and all the militants are simply rushing from Syria to all neighboring countries.
                    Best regards hi
                  12. Albert1988
                    Albert1988 25 October 2015 00: 21 New
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                    Assad can be twisted in the sense that you can force him to enter the Sunni government and then quietly dump, everything is legal and “democratically”, and not like in Libya, where Gaddafi was overthrown by force and now it’s not clear what’s going on ...
                    Egypt may have stabilized, but Saudi Hussites cannot be overwhelmed in any way, in Iraq a mess, in Syria, too, the igil is spreading metastasis like cancer ...
                    Quote: atalef
                    like going against the assertions that Assad is already winning and all the militants are simply breaking from Syria to all neighboring countries

                    In general, it’s strange where you found such reports - in all official reports it says that only some positive trends were outlined and some individual field commanders panicked and began to withdraw their own, plus some groups of fighters began to flee from Syria. Yes, and about negotiations with the "moderate" - this is also a long-standing topic - how many attempts were to somehow attract them, but the fact that Lavrov works is so excellent - diplomacy is also worthless. The Americans say they let us get in and look - but they themselves didn’t fit in? We climbed deeper than ours, and believe me - if nothing comes of it, then what will we lose? A few thousand tons of old Soviet bombs that in 5 years would have to be disposed of anyway?
                    As for the alleged bombardment by Russia of the same SSA - the Ukrainian military won how long it was yelling that Russia was fighting with them? And then this same SSA rejected all proposals for negotiations even before the bombing, I motivate this by saying that Assad should be removed, and then negotiations should be held, but then the question remains - if Assad is removed, then what is there to talk about? so think about it, is it all right with this "moderate opposition", because by agreement they are exactly like the current Ukrainian government (or rather, the American government of Ukraine) ...
                    So in any case, everything is much more complicated.
  • Albert1988
    Albert1988 24 October 2015 16: 14 New
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    Quote: atalef
    Seesh

    Strange, you never wrote where you suggested that I have a drink with you at the Brudershaft, but I agreed)))
    1. atalef
      atalef 24 October 2015 17: 25 New
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      Quote: Albert1988
      Quote: atalef
      Seesh

      Strange, you never wrote where you suggested that I have a drink with you at the Brudershaft, but I agreed)))

      You are probably brand new on the site, I have already written dozens of times. There is no appeal to you in Hebrew. over 25 years used.
      My appeal to YOU ​​in no way diminishes my respect for you hi
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 October 2015 21: 23 New
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      Quote: atalef
      You are probably brand new on the site, I have already written dozens of times. There is no appeal to you in Hebrew. over 25 years used.
      My appeal to YOU ​​in no way diminishes my respect for you

      I’ve been on the site for only 2 years so I don’t know, I apologize, which is interesting - my many (now) Israeli relatives did not tell me about such nuances ...
    3. atalef
      atalef 24 October 2015 22: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Albert1988
      I’ve been on the site for only 2 years so I don’t know, I apologize, which is interesting - my many (now) Israeli relatives did not tell me about such nuances ...

      Ask, you will be surprised. hi
      Where do relatives live?
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 24 October 2015 23: 26 New
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      Quote: atalef
      Where do relatives live?

      They live in Tel Aviv - these are my cousins ​​uncles with wives, but here where the relatives from the side of the wives have already forgotten, like someone even in Jerusalem. So how will they come next time (probably in the winter - their children will be taken snow to watch wink ) and ask around)))
    5. atalef
      atalef 24 October 2015 23: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: Albert1988
      . So the next time they arrive (probably in the winter - they will take their children snow to watch) and ask around)))

      hi
  • Corsair
    Corsair 23 October 2015 15: 37 New
    +5
    Quote: atalef
    1. The time to help Assad is lost.
    2. In terms of resources - Syria does not represent anything
    4 Russia is not brmbit ISIS
    3. The collapse of Syria actually happened and to collect it back is neither real
    5. Well and so on note ISIS oil production 30t bar. in the afternoon - so carnations in the coffin of propaganda that ISIS dropped the price of oil
    6. Transnistria is forgotten, and the Donbass is drained methodically

    You are such a powerful analyst - do not tell me when it was necessary to do everything correctly?
    1. I agree that it was missed - but the United States and its friends systematically drive ISIS to Assad, and before that, they all tried to pull NATO into playing war games.
    2. I agree, even marine deposits are so small things.
    3. The collapse would have happened anyway - too much effort has been applied. You can collect - long and tedious, with wide autonomy - it is quite possible to gather in one country.
    4. Who do you think Russia is bombing? where do you get accurate information about some moderate opposition, well armed and even trained?
    5. Igil oil does not affect the state of the oil market, there are purely Saudis, Americans and Iran and an oversupply amid falling industrial production.
    6. Such an interesting drain - our equipment is being transported there, humanitarian assistance, payroll and social programs begin to pay in rubles - why ???
    Is Israel ready for a threat of disconnecting it from the financial markets of Europe and the USA, imposing sanctions - for example, blocking sales of high-tech equipment (your pride), cutting off the tourism sector, banning countries from buying your other products - free all captured Palestinian lands? Do you count money when you equate the houses of terrorists (in your opinion) on foreign territory, or fire at warehouses in Syria.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 16: 35 New
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      Quote: Corsair
      You are such a powerful analyst - do not tell me when it was necessary to do everything correctly?

      When it was just beginning and Syria was united and there were no bandits there - Russia had to leave Assad and put a Sunni, who was loyal to Russia,
      Quote: Corsair
      I agree, it’s missed - but the United States and its friends systematically drive ISIS to Assad, and before that all NATO tried to draw in to play war games.

      yes, but for some reason Russia climbed
      Quote: Corsair
      I agree, even marine deposits are so small things.

      They are not, there are forecasts. And from HER - to you, to NA - to you --- a huge distance
      Quote: Corsair
      The collapse would have happened anyway - too much effort has been applied. You can collect - long and tedious, with wide autonomy - it is quite possible to gather in one country.

      With broad autonomies under the control of WHO?
      Quote: Corsair
      Who do you think Russia is bombing? where do you get accurate information about some moderate opposition, well armed and even trained?

      Well, we are somehow the same in the subject. SSA and Al Nusra are bombed. (Which are certainly not moderate), but ISIS is the last in this line
      Quote: Corsair
      Igil oil does not affect the state of the oil market, there are purely Saudis, Americans and Iran and an oversupply amid falling industrial production.

      Well, I agree with this, with the exception of one. Iran has not yet begun to sell, sanctions have not yet been lifted, but they will be lifted - still ahead
      Quote: Corsair
      Such an interesting drain - our equipment is being transported there, humanitarian aid, payroll and social programs begin to pay in rubles - why ??

      And beh of this. generally end within a week, but no need to fight.
      Quote: Corsair
      Is Israel ready for a threat of disconnecting it from the financial markets of Europe and the United States, imposing sanctions - for example, blocking sales of high-tech equipment (your pride), cutting off the tourism sector, banning countries from buying your other products - free all captured Palestinian lands?

      100% if there is a threat of such sanctions. trust me, everything will be decided right away.
      Quote: Corsair
      Do you count money when you equate the houses of terrorists (in your opinion) on foreign territory, or fire at warehouses in Syria.

      Well, you have a comparison.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 23 October 2015 23: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair
      ... when it was necessary to do everything right?

      atalef will not say or will say wrong - he has his own interest. It was right for Russia in the Middle East to be done starting at least with Iraq.
  • Arkon
    Arkon 23 October 2015 18: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    1. The operation in Syria has no long-term strategy and prospects (this group of forces)
    2. The war in Syria, PR turns into a sacred war, while Novorossia finally merges
    3. Costs in Syria are colossal and irrevocable


    1. The operation in Syria cannot have a long-term strategy, because it is only one part of the strategic plan. It's like saying that the wheel of a car has the strategic goal of getting from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The wheel itself cannot have a strategic goal.
    2. Syria and Ukraine are parts of a common strategy. It is foolish to consider them in isolation.
    3. The consumption of your energy in the gym is also irrevocable. If we consider training as a closed system. Meanwhile, closed systems in nature practically do not exist.
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 19: 44 New
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      Quote: Arkon
      . The operation in Syria cannot have a long-term strategy, because it is only one part of the strategic plan.

      and this ?????????
      Quote: Arkon
      It's like saying that the wheel of a car has the strategic goal of getting from St. Petersburg to Moscow. The wheel itself cannot have a strategic goal

      it probably I alone do not see this gopher?
      Quote: Arkon
      . Syria and Ukraine are parts of a common strategy. It is foolish to consider them in isolation.

      Let's consider together, what are your conclusions?

      Quote: Arkon
      . Your energy consumption in the gym is also irrevocable. If we consider training as a closed system

      It is returned, you will warm the atmosphere with your body and and because of this you will need to heat the apartment less
      Quote: Arkon
      Meanwhile, closed systems in nature practically do not exist.

      All convolutions are braided, so what's the strategy?
      1. Arkon
        Arkon 23 October 2015 20: 23 New
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        Quote: atalef
        All convolutions are braided, so what's the strategy?


        As I understand it, all previous interjections can be ignored, as they do not make sense and concentrate on this? wink

        The fact is that you are saying that there is no strategy. A counterbalance to this statement is the statement that there is a strategy. It is not necessary to disclose it at the same time, just as it is impossible to disclose the statement that there is no strategy.

        Well it is - logical reasoning in your spirit. You usually stop at it.

        However, I will continue and reveal your personal vision of strategy.
        She is very simple. Russia's strategy is to preserve and develop the Russian World.
        And the actions of Russia in Syria, Moldova, Iran, the USA, Germany, etc. etc. strictly fall into this outline. Surprised? smile
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 20: 45 New
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          Quote: Arkon
          The fact is that you are saying that there is no strategy. A counterbalance to this statement is the statement that there is a strategy. It is not necessary to disclose it at the same time, just as it is impossible to disclose the statement that there is no strategy.

          Capacious good
          Quote: Arkon
          However, I will continue and reveal my personal vision of the strategy.
          She is very simple. Russia's strategy is to preserve and develop the Russian World.

          Words words.
          Quote: Arkon
          And the actions of Russia in Syria, Moldova, Iran, the USA, Germany, etc. etc. strictly fall into this outline. Surprised?

          No longer
          1. Arkon
            Arkon 23 October 2015 20: 54 New
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            Quote: atalef
            Capacious


            Thank you. smile

            I will explain only to be correctly understood.
            The Russian World is not the world of Russians by nationality. Rather, not only him.
            These are the principles of the Russian worldview.
            Which are now being clearly demonstrated and gaining more and more supporters.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 21: 05 New
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              Quote: Arkon
              I will explain only to be correctly understood.
              The Russian World is not the world of Russians by nationality. Rather, not only him.
              These are the principles of the Russian worldview.

              Which are .... Continue your thought. otherwise you have a post, some kind of understatement. There seems to be a strategy - but I won’t tell tongue
              They fall into the canvas ... and again without continuing
              Quote: Arkon
              Which are now being clearly demonstrated and gaining more and more supporters.

              1. Arkon
                Arkon 24 October 2015 11: 09 New
                0
                I agree, there is understatement.
                But just too lazy to write - to formulate for a long time.

                I thought you were silent, but you ... smile

                I won’t write about the strategy - it’s not mature enough, but I can formulate the principles of the Russian worldview, in my natural understanding, of course.
                I'll see how articles are published here ...
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 23 October 2015 23: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        ...and this ?????????

        I read, I read posts - everything rests on this question. Zadolbalo, however. atalef, you yourself are so interested or is MOSSAD interested in you? The answer lies on the surface. The purpose of the operation in Syria is to curb the expansion of the geopolitical adversary, who uses various tools, such as terrorism. Accept that this is a strategy. I will not decrypt further, you all perfectly understand, only pretend to be.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 October 2015 08: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: V. Salama
          . The purpose of the operation in Syria is to curb the expansion of the geopolitical adversary, who uses various tools, such as terrorism.

          good
          And this geopolitical adversary .... Who? ISIS belay
          ISIS is a geopolitical adversary of Russia? Do not exaggerate the role of the crowd of bandits
          Quote: V. Salama
          Accept that this is a strategy

          Yes, I reconciled, only logically as it does not fit. hi
          1. V. Salama
            V. Salama 24 October 2015 13: 10 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            And this geopolitical adversary .... Who? ISIS

            Of course not. ISIS is a tool. To clarify, V.I. Lenin owns the statement: "an illiterate person is always outside politics as a subject and, always in politics, as a means." But I am tormented by vague doubts that everything is clear to you. However, anticipating the likely question (who is the opponent?) I will begin by substantiating the answer to it. You don’t like “neighbors who can give in the face”, it’s bad from your position. But how do you feel about neighbors who possess 30-40 percent of the world's resources and make up only 2% of the world's population? About which Napoleon also said that "geography is a sentence." I think that you are kind, kind, especially to resources. There are true statements by foreign leaders that this is unfair and this injustice needs to be corrected, all the same, these Russians will not be able to use this resource correctly. Yes, what’s foreign there, we have home-grown ones who are inspired by the spirit of liberalism - Yegor Gaidar, for example, at the SPS Congress (2002) said: "Russia, as a state, has no historical right to exist." Big businessmen often speak out like Russia should disappear as a source of constant misunderstandings and surprises. In short, the collapse of Russia is beneficial to a number of countries, primarily the United States, to the tune of which all the European elites are dancing. Japan also wants to grab its piece of cake. At least 16 countries participating in the 1918 intervention. They have since still tasted this pie in their mouths. Why, even Israel will have its own gesheft. This will revitalize the existing economic model of capitalism, remove many contradictions, save the dollar, and generally ensure a comfortable life for many decades. Nothing personal, such is life, as they say. It's not about the peoples of these countries, they are not the enemies, these are the ideas of the "elites" of these countries, as well as the leadership of transnational corporations and the international financial oligarchy, because it is they who usurp power in making all the most important decisions. Regarding logic ... The logic is simple: if you want peace, get ready for war. Not ready for war, anyway counteract in your own interests. become strong or gobble up. Do I need to explain this to you - how does Israel act? However, we have our own nuances in our mentality and our historical situation.
  • gladcu2
    gladcu2 23 October 2015 19: 21 New
    0
    atalef

    I absolutely agree with you. What you wrote before the start of the operation in Syria should have looked exactly like that.

    But Strelkov, only suggests.

    Actually, what happens is happening.

    Does it not surprise you why everything is going easy and lightly?
  • free
    free 23 October 2015 06: 54 New
    0
    I also mentioned this
  • Same lech
    Same lech 23 October 2015 06: 54 New
    +15
    Actually, it is not surprising that Korotchenko was so indignant. The normal reaction of a normal patriot. I hope the readers will not deny this to Igor Yuryevich?


    Do not refuse ROMAN ....
    rise not much higher than the people of the disagreements whom you describe ...

    Any of them does not wish harm to RUSSIA and each of them in his own way loves his HOMELAND.

    I remember how GIRKIN acted at the beginning of the rampage of Nazism in UKRAINE and respect him for that, but STRELKOV has his own vision and opinion and ideas about the world around him and this should be taken calmly .... he is out of work now and can say whatever any civilian person.
    1. Irbis
      Irbis 23 October 2015 07: 19 New
      +19
      Chubais, Gozman and other Nemtsovs also love Russia. With a strange love. Also see patriots.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 10: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Irbis
        Chubais, Gozman and other Nemtsovs also love Russia. With a strange love. Also see patriots.

        Look at the root - they do not love Russia, but their homeland. And their homeland is different. Strelkov is a Russian monarchist.
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 23 October 2015 07: 28 New
      +9
      Quote: The same Lech
      Any of them does not wish harm to RUSSIA and each of them in his own way loves his HOMELAND.

      With good intentions, the road to hell is paved. This is just about those "good" people like Strelkov who are trying to do their own thing and inspired by pseudo-patriotism are harming their homeland.
    3. Andrew
      Andrew 23 October 2015 07: 31 New
      +7
      In any status, you can’t say anything, you need to turn on the brain ...
    4. max702
      max702 23 October 2015 11: 37 New
      +3
      Strelkova was leaked for a very FAST gained popularity ... Give him some resources and time and now HE would command LDNR and at least within the administrative borders of these entities, and very likely the People’s Republic of Lithuania with ODNR, DPNR .. But in this case he would become very one would have to reckon with him as a serious figure, and given his character and integrity this was not necessary for anyone on both sides of the barricades .. In Kiev, they were openly afraid of him, and in Moscow there was no need for a new leader of the Russian world (in case of victory in the Donbass Strelkov he would be). what he is saying now does not really matter, it is very likely that this line of behavior was recommended to him, and maybe not, you can understand him, by and large, betrayed him .. that’s how much he could not restrain himself, but the insult climbed out ..
      1. TiGRoO
        TiGRoO 23 October 2015 16: 01 New
        +1
        Mozgovoy had integrity, he didn’t run away and was killed, and Girkin is a typical White Guard with a monarchism of the brain ...
  • dvg79
    dvg79 23 October 2015 07: 36 New
    +8
    I agree with you. Especially about the White Guards, a clear proof that White had no chance to win, and thank God. If Stalin had ache in the same way in 1941, we would simply not be there.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 10: 52 New
      +6
      Quote: dvg79
      White didn’t have a chance to win, and thank God. If Stalin had ached in 1941, we would have simply been gone.

      If it weren’t for Stalin, who radically turned from the original path of the Reds, I think Russia would no longer exist. hi
      1. TiGRoO
        TiGRoO 23 October 2015 15: 58 New
        +1
        Khrushchev radically turned back, and soon the USSR = Russia did not ... But the fact that Stalin turned out to be a kind person (too much) does not mean that he ceased to be a true communist.
  • Drmadfisher
    Drmadfisher 23 October 2015 08: 43 New
    +2
    put an eternal ban politics of the weak
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 10: 32 New
    +4
    Quote: Vladimir
    . Especially after the Girkin-Starikov debate

    I after them "made out" Starikov.
  • znorick
    znorick 23 October 2015 10: 49 New
    +6
    Starikov is a demagogue. And his debate with Strelkov is a vivid example of this.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 October 2015 06: 39 New
    +10
    Apparently from Strelkova, they decided to make a "new Bonaparte", but Strelkov was seduced .. Sorry ..
  • Babr
    Babr 23 October 2015 06: 40 New
    +2
    Author Roman Skomorokhov


    "True, Roy TV is difficult to call a TV channel,"
    I agree.
    He will never be given the status of the media.
    After all, it obliges a lot.
    It will be necessary to say the same, only that which you are unobtrusively advised.
    And so you can say what you think.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 06: 48 New
      +23
      Quote: Babr
      He will never be given the status of the media.
      After all, it obliges a lot.
      It will be necessary to say the same, only that which you are unobtrusively advised.

      Our site has media status, so what? Someone can’t talk about what he thinks? (I don’t mean trolls from abroad)
      It’s just that Mr. Girkin should say that it’s contrary, otherwise no one will even remember him, but he wants to eat.
      1. Babr
        Babr 23 October 2015 07: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Our site has media status, so what? Someone can not talk about what he thinks? (

        Romanov !!! How could you think that I can say something bad about the fairest, most unbeatable, the most ..... the most .. (no words) site in the world !!!!
        Where everyone says, only what they think. And for this they will not be anything. True, they can declare a troll. But it is, production costs.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s just that Mr. Girkin should say that it’s contrary, otherwise no one will even remember him, but he wants to eat.

        Without a doubt. Such people are not independent. There entrance, rupe. Exit two.
        Or forward feet.
        But for now, he says what I want to hear.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 45 New
          +11
          Quote: Babr
          Where everyone says, only what they think. And for this they will not be anything.

          Not ham, not swearing and nothing will happen.
          Quote: Babr
          True, they can declare a troll.

          It can, if you live over a hill and yell that the power in Russia is bad.
          Quote: Babr
          But for now, he says what I want to hear.

          He has such a job and he will find his own contingent. If you knew more about him, you would have a different opinion.
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            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 02 New
              +6
              Quote: Babr
              Is that allowed?
              In the same subject.

              Here again, expose the mat, not just delete koment, also for a day in the ban fly away.
              Valera, did you decide to have fun?
              There is the same video on the network without a mat, but you chose a specialist with a mat.
              1. Babr
                Babr 23 October 2015 08: 08 New
                0
                request
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                There is the same video on the network without a mat, but you chose a specialist with a mat

                Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 15 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Babr
                  Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.

                  Our site is the media, come from this request
                  1. Babr
                    Babr 23 October 2015 08: 22 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Our site is the media, come from this

                    ......... soldier .......
                2. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 08: 17 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Babr
                  Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.

                  I remember in '86 I was at a non-alcoholic wedding - there they were swearing, so swearing laughing
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 35 New
                    +4
                    Quote: atalef
                    I remember in '86 I was at a non-alcoholic wedding - there they were swearing, so swearing

                    Relatives of the bride and groom filled their faces?
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 23 October 2015 08: 45 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Relatives of the bride and groom filled their faces?

                      Well, what a wedding without a fight?
                  2. andj61
                    andj61 23 October 2015 09: 43 New
                    +5
                    Quote: atalef
                    Quote: Babr
                    Sanya, without a mat, in such a situation ... it's like a non-alcoholic wedding and, in addition, without a button accordion.

                    I remember in '86 I was at a non-alcoholic wedding - there they were swearing, so swearing laughing

                    I was on a few - "Stark" and cognac from tea cups under the cake (although there was a sausage on the tables) - it’s completely nothing! drinks
                    And cursing no more than usual ... request
                    hi
        2. Albert1988
          Albert1988 23 October 2015 11: 29 New
          +3
          Quote: Babr
          But for now, he says what I want to hear.

          This is precisely the most dangerous thing - when a person says not what they really are, but what others want to hear ...
          This should be treated as critically as possible ...

          Although I personally think that Igor Ivanovich is just a pessimist (like Bulychevsky Green) - all the time he sees everything in a negative light, regardless of the real situation. By the way, this was still visible when he was called "in the field."
      2. The lead
        The lead 23 October 2015 07: 53 New
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Someone can not talk about what he thinks?
        That is exactly so, if a person speaks constructively and objectively about the foreign policy of the government and at the same time his position diverges from the official, then his account is sent to the eternal ban.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 59 New
          +9
          Quote: Lead
          That is exactly so, if a person speaks constructively and objectively about the foreign policy of the government and at the same time his position diverges from the official, then his account is sent to the eternal ban.

          What is the truth? A lot of comments on the site with a lot of criticism and Medvedev and Putin, something that does not banyat. Do not know why?
          1. The lead
            The lead 23 October 2015 08: 23 New
            -3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            A lot of comments on the site with a lot of criticism and Medvedev and Putin, something is not banned
            You could give an example of criticism of foreign policy, otherwise your statement is perceived as idle talk.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 11: 16 New
              +3
              Quote: Lead
              You could give an example of criticism of foreign policy, otherwise your statement is perceived as idle talk.

              Atalef in front of you with a bunch of criticism.
              1. The lead
                The lead 23 October 2015 12: 11 New
                -3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Atalef in front of you with a bunch of criticism.
                I re-read Atalef’s posts, there are words in support of Strelkov and that’s all. For Strelkov’s support they really don’t give a ban. They give a ban for upholding a position that contradicts the official position of the government.
      3. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 08: 16 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s just that Mr. Girkin should say that it’s contrary, otherwise no one will remember him

        This is certainly true, but this does not mean at all that he is wrong. hi
    2. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 08: 15 New
      -4
      Quote: Babr
      True, Roy TV is difficult to call a TV channel,

      Hello Victor hi
      It doesn’t matter whether it is a TV channel or not (although in the case of Russia, a TV channel is 100% dependent) the absence of this * rank * - gives at least some opportunity to say what you think, and not in the party line

      Quote: Babr
      And so you can say what you think

      Here I am about that.
      Nothing that Strelkov said (no matter how I belonged to him) in the part of Syria - I have no doubt
      His and El-Murida's analysis of the state, position and prospects - corresponds to my conclusions and vision of the situation.
      In New Russia - I do not know, there are people more in the subject.
      1. Babr
        Babr 23 October 2015 08: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: atalef
        Hello Victor

        Hello Alexander.

        Quote: atalef
        Nothing that Strelkov said (no matter how I belonged to him) in the part of Syria - I have no doubt

        Me too.
        Quote: atalef
        In New Russia - I do not know, there are people more in the subject

        Here you are a little modest.
        This is for you "sick" lol theme.
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 08: 48 New
          -1
          Quote: Babr
          Here you are a little modest.
          This is a sore topic for you.

          Not so much that I would know her better than the Syrian, but agree that what I wrote a year ago - well, it somehow comes true.
          not all, well, so 85-90%.
          By the way, DO NOT REMEMBER THAT I SAID ABOUT THE PENSION AGE ABOUT YEAR 1.5?
          Although this is more related to another branch hi
          1. Babr
            Babr 23 October 2015 09: 05 New
            0
            Quote: atalef
            atalef

            Alexander, I understand why you wrote down excerpts from the conversation in such detail.
            I read the meaning of the above, so I agree with you.
            The other will only look at your flag and the reputation you have earned.
            And do not perceive it.
            This is called structureless management.
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 09: 38 New
              0
              Quote: Babr
              Alexander, I understand why you wrote down excerpts from the conversation in such detail.
              I read the meaning of the above, so I agree with you.

              Realism - Victor, Realism
              Quote: Babr
              The other will only look at your flag

              Well, some just eat in the head
              Quote: Babr
              for the reputation you have earned.

              Yes, to be a captain with more than 20 tons of comments - you need to be able to wink
              Quote: Babr
              This is called structureless management.

              Vitya, this suggests that Baikonur, Vatniki and Mikhan are much more popular and nothing more.
              1. Babr
                Babr 23 October 2015 09: 51 New
                0
                Not Sanya. I understand that you and the author are in the same harness.
                Well, it's like two investigators, one angry and the other kind.
                And the result will be there. A round table with these speakers is dishonored.
                As required.
                Listen, I’m giving you a plus, and someone, while I’m writing, has time to play you a minus. and not a single komenta. Solid "dead souls" belay
                1. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 23 October 2015 12: 38 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Babr
                  Listen, I’m giving you a plus, and someone, while I’m writing, has time to play you a minus. and not a single komenta. Solid "dead souls"

                  So dead smile Alexander has just mentioned some prominent representatives. hi
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 23 October 2015 23: 47 New
        0
        Quote: atalef
        His and El-Murida's analysis of the state, position and prospects - corresponds to my conclusions and vision of the situation.
        This is how the thought should be formulated, Babr, I think it made a reservation, but someone suffered
        Quote: Babr
        But for now, he says what I want to hear.
    3. SPACE59
      SPACE59 23 October 2015 08: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Babr

      He will never be given the status of the media.
      After all, it obliges a lot.
      It will be necessary to say the same, only that which you are unobtrusively advised.
      And so you can say what you think.

      Why does this status do not oblige Emo-Moscow to anything? Yes, and more than a dozen such media.
      1. Babr
        Babr 23 October 2015 08: 51 New
        0
        Quote: KOSMOS59
        Why does this status do not oblige Emo-Moscow to anything? Yes, and more than a dozen such media.

        As I understand.
        There are "explicit" ones like the Echo of Moscow.
        There are “implicit” ones who resent the Echo of Moscow.
        And the owner is alone. And they are doing their common cause, to fool the people.
        And the echo of Moscow is a lightning rod. The people let off steam on the “explicit” and the “implicit” continues to do its vile deed.
        1. atalef
          atalef 23 October 2015 09: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: Babr
          As I understand.
          There are "explicit" ones like the Echo of Moscow.
          There are “implicit” ones who resent the Echo of Moscow.

          Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom Media
          Are there any other questions ?
          1. Babr
            Babr 23 October 2015 09: 24 New
            -2
            Quote: atalef
            Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom Media

            You look narrowly. Look wider. tongue
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 09: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: Babr
              Quote: atalef
              Echo of Moscow belongs to Gazprom Media

              You look narrowly. Look wider. tongue

              Yeah much wider then wassat
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 11: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: atalef
                Yeah much wider then

                Gazprom Media, through its "dad," BELONGS TO THE STATE.
                1. Gardamir
                  Gardamir 23 October 2015 14: 47 New
                  +2
                  Gazprom Media, through its "dad," BELONGS TO THE STATE.
                  What kind of state is anti-state what Well, at least why TNT ignores all the holidays and even MAY 9?
              2. rosstov
                rosstov 23 October 2015 20: 34 New
                0
                But what is the whole argument about? Did Russia have any options? Putin, both in Syria and Ukraine, is forced to act in extraordinary circumstances, and so far the result is not the worst, given the level of confrontation that Russia has virtually no alternative to. And how many alarmist "prophecies" were during these one and a half years, that everything - in two days (two weeks, two months ...) full end and paws up. Wait until there is no reason. And why are you there in Israel so worried about Russia? Post somewhere on tel Aviv sites on the subject closer ...
                1. onix757
                  onix757 23 October 2015 21: 01 New
                  0
                  Indeed, when the furniture maker blocked the purchase of bmp3, bmd4, btrd and other weapons for several years, the urapatrics threw their bonnets up with delight, they say the main smart-main knows. As a result, by the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, the most combat-ready YuVO had 30% of modern weapons. It’s me that the choice is a consequence of the state’s internal policy
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 23 October 2015 21: 06 New
                    -1
                    Quote: onix757
                    So, as a result, by the beginning of the Ukrainian crisis, the most combat-ready YuVO had 30% of modern weapons.

                    Did Russia fight in Ukraine?
                    1. onix757
                      onix757 23 October 2015 21: 20 New
                      +1
                      Of course, I didn’t officially fight, because it was necessary to do what was being done in a hurry now at “officially”. Although I’m sure that our 2014 army would have drawn the border along the Dnieper without any problems and deprived of frostbitten resources. There would be no civil war on left-bank Ukraine.
  • Roman 11
    Roman 11 23 October 2015 06: 41 New
    +11
    So Igor Korotchenko saidNo need to croak, Strelkov last year helped the country recover from overseas dependence. At least a little respect for themselves and each other, in contrast to civilized countries, which, like mongrels at a stand, quietly in front of the American financial dynasties.

    A man went through more than one war, he is also alive. And everyone pours on him and pours slops. Do not bother him, let him calm down and continue his useful work in the Donbass.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 06: 52 New
      +11
      Quote: Novel 11
      No need to croak, Strelkov last year helped the country recover from overseas dependency

      Che true, but how did he help? His media outlets, the media will bury him.
      Quote: Novel 11
      Man has passed more than one war, he is also alive

      Many warriors have passed, and today you, many who have passed the warrior, will put the minuses in this topic.
      Quote: Novel 11
      . Do not bother him, let him calm down and continue his useful work in the Donbass.

      And what is he doing now useful for the Donbass? You can specifically
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 23 October 2015 07: 07 New
        -9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What is he doing now useful for the Donbass? You can specifically

        Dear, he buys a smoked sausage, catches a taxi on the border and delivers to the Aidar and Azovites - greetings from the kurginyan. laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 10 New
          +9
          Quote: Novel 11
          Dear, he buys a smoked sausage, catches a taxi on the border and delivers to the Aidar and Azovites - greetings from the kurginyan.

          Well, it’s clear, specifically, what he does can’t answer. Only blah blah blah
          1. Roman 11
            Roman 11 23 October 2015 07: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, it’s clear, specifically, what he does can’t answer. Only blah blah blah

            Yes, I copy everything from your idols - the Kurghins are eternal, and the heroes come and go .......
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 16 New
              +8
              Quote: Novel 11

              Yes, I’m copying everything from your idols - the Kurghans are eternal,

              Yes, I did not care about Kurginyan, such a yap.
              1. atalef
                atalef 23 October 2015 08: 25 New
                +10
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Novel 11

                Yes, I’m copying everything from your idols - the Kurghans are eternal,

                Yes, I did not care about Kurginyan, such a yap.

                Hey . Sanya
                And here I agree, Kurginyan absolutely conjunctural yap. Dorenko number 2, only possessed
                I like his cries like
                ANSWER ME YES or NO !!!!!
                , I just want to ask
                Kurginyan, have you stopped drinking in the morning? Tell me yes or no
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 08: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  Kurginyan, have you stopped drinking in the morning? Tell me yes or no

                  laughing good yes damn yes wassat
                2. Bayonet
                  Bayonet 23 October 2015 12: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Have you stopped drinking in the morning? Tell me yes or no

                  Here is a question !!! I will certainly take it into service! However, how it is twisted - that it is so that commercials are all one Alconaut! good
    2. mirag2
      mirag2 23 October 2015 06: 53 New
      +11
      Shooters of a young man in any way. It doesn’t matter what he thinks about the situation in Syria. I also think that in Syria it’s a muddy option — it’s impossible to win there — there are too many multidirectional forces (I already wrote this here, getting massive disapproval) —but I still I think so. And Putin’s words yesterday that Assad was ready to support his opponents.
      Those. in fact, the official discharge of the Assad government is not in the format of Gaddafi, but in the format of "legitimacy."
      But Girkin did well. And cinema James Bond to grow up to him.
      1. blizart
        blizart 23 October 2015 07: 00 New
        +13
        On the wave of fighting euphoria, many heroes arise. Who, for example, will now remember Babai? And then he was even forgiven “weed”. A new stage requires new faces. Actually, the very example of “from the great to the ridiculous” is Napoleon.
        1. Irbis
          Irbis 23 October 2015 07: 30 New
          +9
          How many people are knowledgeable about what happened in the Donbas at the beginning. I somehow met few people who still remember with a breath about how it all began. More precisely did not see anyone. The real patriotic wave ended with the assault of the RSA, and then it started ...

          Surprisingly, Strelkov calls Mokhovshchina a successful struggle, while stabilization and the creation of a more or less army with centralized command is called a sink. Somehow it does not turn out.

          Strelkov’s media support was almost like Vladimir Vladimirovich’s. And for a long time it's not a secret who this project is dancing.
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 23 October 2015 14: 59 New
          +1
          Who, for example, will now remember Babai? And then he was even forgiven “weed”.
          "Yes, what weed? He himself said that he was wanted in the Russian Federation under Article 105 (if I do not confuse the new codec-murder, all the more intentional.
    3. Horst78
      Horst78 23 October 2015 07: 24 New
      -4
      Quote: Novel 11
      Novel 11 (3) RU Today, 06: 41 New

      Quote: Novel 11
      Man has gone through more than one war

      But on a more specific basis? About the war in Bosnia, He rubbed it so that let REAL VETERAN-VOLUNTEERS tell better. It is not for me to judge his delirium.
      The war in Chechnya. It seems to be. But as the FSB fought, as the GRU, as the BB, what is the difference again to ask those who were there. I was gone.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 October 2015 09: 45 New
        +6
        Quote: Horst78
        But on a more specific basis? About the war in Bosnia, He rubbed it so that let REAL VETERAN-VOLUNTEERS tell better. It is not for me to judge his delirium.
        More details about veterans? There were not many of them there, and Strelkov fought in a highly respected volunteer unit - the Tsar’s Wolves. What is he rubbing in there that bothers you?
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 23 October 2015 13: 03 New
          -4
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn RU Today, 09: 45 ↑

          Quote: Horst78
          But on a more specific basis? About the war in Bosnia, He rubbed it so that let REAL VETERAN-VOLUNTEERS tell better. It is not for me to judge his delirium.
          More details about veterans? There were not many of them there, and Strelkov fought in a highly respected volunteer unit - the Tsar’s Wolves. What is he rubbing in there that bothers you?

          Fighting and numbering (serving in the rear) are different things. I don’t remember at the expense of the statement (I need to raise my comments on VO), but something about where whose territories were (stupidly geographical errors in the statements) and it seemed that I fought around the globe.
      2. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 14: 49 New
        +4
        RDO-2 (Second Russian Volunteer Detachment), nicknamed “Tsar Wolves” due to the monarchist convictions of its members, was created on November 1, 1992 in Visegrad. Alexander Mukharev became its commander, and Igor Girkin (“Strelkov”) became deputy commander (both had previously “worked” on Transnistria).
        There are photos and descriptions, it’s not difficult to find.
        Read O. Valetsky, a participant in all episodes of the Yugoslav war. It describes events very interestingly, professionally. Now in the same Bosnia, it is engaged in humanitarian mine clearance at PMCs.
        And in the Chechen Republic, each power agency worked in accordance with its mission. Everyone had to shoot. Everyone gained experience and practice. No one personally knew whether he would return from the war zone and what could happen. Recently, only the VoVans of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB work in the TFR. As it should be.
        I know the situation in the Balkans and the Caucasus personally, so there is no reason not to believe it.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 23 October 2015 19: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          Read O. Valetsky, a participant in all episodes of the Yugoslav war. It describes events very interestingly, professionally.

          I would add Polikarpov, "Sacrifice. Where does the guy get Serbian sadness?" http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/JUGOSLAVIA/serbia.txt
          It describes in detail how, including Strelkov, fought in Bosnia (Igor the Monarchist) in the corresponding chapter about the tsar’s wolves
    4. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 07: 41 New
      +4
      However, many are ready to see IV Girkin (Strelkov) better in the leadership of the country (he deserves it!) Than those “Kremlin people” and their close associates who are in the wake of the events of 1991-93. seized upon the power, or party bureaucrats - "ER".
      A population has a short memory when there is foreign policy success, somehow all the negativity goes to another plane. And the preparation of the people for the final privatization of the end of 2012-beginning of 2013. at the suggestion of the prime minister, with the support of the President. Do not remember? A personnel policy, and impunity and permissiveness?
      The essence of Strelkov’s train of thought is that the authorities are trying more to maintain and establish their status quo, while other “worries” are concomitant.
      But weren’t the active actions of Strelkov set in motion and forced the national idea of ​​the Russian world?
      And the “Kremlin contents”, as usual, from mediocrity (launching Ukraine to dirt is mediocre and incompetent, and most importantly, short-sighted) - “you can’t control - head!”
      How did it all begin ?!
      1. Aurum
        Aurum 23 October 2015 09: 06 New
        0
        Girkin once said that F.E.Dzerzhinsky is an executioner of the Russian people.
        After that, Girkin is not interesting to me.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 11: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: Aurum
          F.E.Dzerzhinsky is an executioner of the Russian people.

          I agree with him. And I think if he lived to see 37, you know. Do you have a different opinion?
          1. Horst78
            Horst78 23 October 2015 11: 56 New
            -2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 (3) RU Today, 11: 28 ↑ New

            Quote: Aurum
            F.E.Dzerzhinsky is an executioner of the Russian people.

            I agree with him. And I think if he lived to see 37, you know. Do you have a different opinion?

            F.E. Dzerzhinsky lived to 1937.? belay
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 12: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: Horst78
              F.E. Dzerzhinsky lived to 1937.?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              if he lived to the 37th
              1. Babr
                Babr 23 October 2015 13: 14 New
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                if he lived to the 37th

                It would be better to live. And so it stood until the 90s. request
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 October 2015 13: 26 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Babr
                  It would be better to live. And so it stood until the 90s.

                  He still brought benefits, but only dead. Dead heroes are more important than living. Che Guevara as an example. If he hadn’t gone to Bolivia to bring out a swatch, Fidel would have definitely repressed him. laughing
                  1. Babr
                    Babr 23 October 2015 13: 38 New
                    +2
                    I think the same with Strelkov. Dead heroes are more important than living.
                    But he jumped off. Therefore, it became objectionable.
          2. V. Salama
            V. Salama 23 October 2015 23: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you have a different opinion?

            Incidentally, I have a different opinion and, I'm Russian. And in the year 37, the history of his country should not be studied according to White emigre propaganda and not according to Solzhenitsyn, however, who lied and did not hide it.
          3. V. Salama
            V. Salama 23 October 2015 23: 58 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Do you have a different opinion?

            Incidentally, I have a different opinion and, I'm Russian. And in the year 37, the history of his country should not be studied according to White emigre propaganda and not according to Solzhenitsyn, however, who lied and did not hide it.
        2. Aurum
          Aurum 23 October 2015 15: 09 New
          +2
          yes, another.
          I think Dzerzhinsky was an executioner of political prostitutes, boorish men, thieves and other Trotskyist trash, but not the Russian people. And if he lived to be 37 years old, I think there would be neither Yezhovs nor Berries
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 23 October 2015 06: 43 New
    +7
    It’s just that Kurginyan didn’t make his revelations very timely, which is why he fell into the stream of slops. But he saw in Strelkov (I won’t talk about the traitor), at least the self-PR man was practically the first. And Nesmiyan showed his lack of detail even in the summer of 2014, when the very first began to yell about the discharge of New Russia. YuraSuma is gradually appearing in the same company, however sad it may be.
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 23 October 2015 08: 03 New
      +10
      Quote: inkass_98
      Nesmiyan showed his complexity even in the summer of 2014,

      Nesmiyan showed his lack of detail back in 2011, when he first supported Gaddafi in every possible way, and then - click - and "the bloody tyrant must go." Media prostitute he is.
    2. vyinemeynen
      vyinemeynen 23 October 2015 08: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      YuraSuma is gradually appearing in the same company, however sad it may be.

      Arguing!
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 23 October 2015 09: 49 New
      +7
      Quote: inkass_98
      It’s just that Kurginyan didn’t make his disclosures very timely, which is why he fell into the stream of slops. But he saw in Strelkov (I won’t talk about the traitor), at least the self-PR man was practically the first.
      Kurginyan said that it was impossible to leave Slavyansk. Do you agree with that? this was his main exposure, sitting on a green sofa with Kalash. Strelkov at that time was not up to samopiar ...
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 October 2015 06: 44 New
    +8
    "Igor, who Korotchenko really plows" ... he certainly is a patriot ... and yet, in 2014, Girkin’s machines are more significant. Strelkov is an acting (!) Patriot (Transnistria, Serbia, Chechea, Donbass) and a hero.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 06: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: samarin1969
      ..he is certainly a patriot ... and yet, the machines in Girkin’s 2014 are more significant

      Let him say who put these machines to him. He will surprise the people, so to speak. lol
      1. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 08: 35 New
        0
        You wanted to say: I was forced to bet, otherwise the loss of reputation and control over the situation?
      2. Siberian
        Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 19 New
        +3
        It’s definitely not Kurginyan who was tearing over what Strelkov had EVERYTHING, he (Kurginyan) knows for sure that everything was there, why did he leave Slavyansk when there was everything - in?
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      4. Yars
        Yars 23 October 2015 18: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: samarin1969
        ..he is certainly a patriot ... and yet, the machines in Girkin’s 2014 are more significant

        Let him say who put these machines to him. He will surprise the people, so to speak. lol

        It seems to me that Alexander will find it hard for some to explain where Girkin got his machines from! They pointing to black will say white!
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 23 October 2015 06: 57 New
      +9
      Quote: samarin1969
      (PMR, Serbia, Chechea, Donbass) and a hero.

      And I visited Crimea in time. Unlike Korotchenko and Kurginnian, at least he was visible, but they weren’t ...... and they didn’t sit in the trenches near Slavyansk when almost the entire army of dill besieged him. And most importantly, in which case I have no doubt that Strelkov will get into operation, but these 2 balabol will be somewhere far behind.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 13 New
        +9
        Quote: Novel 11
        And I visited Crimea in time.

        Yes, and if you know the specifics, then you would not remember the Crimea. Since in the Crimea he managed it, I really do not want to.
        Quote: Novel 11
        when almost the entire army of dill besieged him

        It is strange if the whole dill army was near Slavyansk, which then attacked Donetsk and Lugansk.
        I remember well the reports of those times.
        Quote: Novel 11
        . And most importantly, in which case I have no doubt that Strelkov will get into operation,

        He doesn’t get up, he will come to Donetsk to be shot for "feats" and for Slavyansk.
        1. Roman 11
          Roman 11 23 October 2015 07: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He doesn’t get up, he will come to Donetsk to be shot for "feats" and for Slavyansk.

          Not cut)

          For Slavyansk shoot?
          Wait, I'm confused))
          Those. for defending him?

          Maybe then at one time the Brest Fortress, Sevastopol, Stalingrad, etc. didn’t have to be protected? Well, they would have invited some Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and without bloodshed they would have made us perestroika with a drunk conductor laughing
          1. Irbis
            Irbis 23 October 2015 07: 41 New
            0
            Quote: Novel 11
            For Slavyansk shoot?
            Wait, I'm confused))
            Those. for defending him?

            That's it for Slavyansk and for his "protection", but it seems to me that this is not his main "feat." In any case, it is waiting for the people "love"
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Novel 11
            Was he to be shot for Slavyansk?

            And especially for Slavyansk, for that "heroic" exit from Slavyansk. For those whom he left there without warning that he was dumping. He left there with three commandant companies, without warning the people to the front lines. Those who died while holding Slavyansk did not know then that Girkin had already dumped.
            Then they made their way on foot as best they could, and their commander Girkin PR in front of the cameras in Donetsk. When everything turned out, and not only for Slavyansk, he got a kick in the ass.
            Here he is, the heroes of Pepsi.
            1. Siberian
              Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 26 New
              +4
              Well, you, my dear, would at least ask (find in the archives of the Military Review) how the exit from Slavyansk took place and why someone did not know. Here it was about that.
        2. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 08: 44 New
          +7
          Alexander Romanov! You would be more careful with terms like “shoot” in the media space with a geographical reference to LDNR, because Bednov and Mozgovoy were “shot” and further incomprehensible facts in the same place.
          Something quickly somehow related to the "real" personalities in History begins to change. By the facts and results (the significance of the events) it is not accepted to judge? Already as the "red-headed talking head in the Kremlin" will say, right?
      2. communist
        communist 23 October 2015 13: 32 New
        +1
        From the very beginning of hostilities in the Donbass, the DPR’s armed forces have been fighting against fascism the “Essence of Time” detachment, formed by activists of the communist movement of the same name.

        https://vk.com/svdonbass
    3. Andrew
      Andrew 23 October 2015 07: 37 New
      +2
      Did you mean-acted?
  • RU-Officer
    RU-Officer 23 October 2015 06: 48 New
    +24
    With all due respect to the author hi (Roman Skomorokhov) I would very much like to warn everyone: do not rush, do not chop off your shoulder, do not judge and will not be judged. That geopolitical "brew", the turbulence of which we have been observing during the last 2 of the year - what is it for? Who is the author of the recipe? Who is the chef? Who puts firewood? Who is customizing the ingredients? And who, finally, will be treated, huh? At one time, EBN was an "idol of the electorate" - where is Petrosyan there (no offense to Yevgeny Vaganovich yes ), and now on his bones only the lazy did not dance ... stop Not good - so, not humanly. We will observe, we will think, however. Do not like the history of the 37-39 of the USSR? So let's not flog a fever. Suddenly, through 5, Roman Skomorokhov, after reading this material, twists and thinks to himself: “Damn it, it’s practically a denunciation ... Well, at least no one noticed! .." hi
    1. blizart
      blizart 23 October 2015 07: 36 New
      +1
      And what is so scattered in an apology to the author? I didn’t like it either. We are all witnesses and eyewitnesses to a break in the development of the human race, no less. For everyone who is “in the subject,” the development of events in the world is a revelation. And Roman is no exception.
    2. Siberian
      Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 31 New
      +3
      Yes, he could already read about Mozgovoy - time passed completely nothing (his first sketches, “intermediate” - humanitarian trips, then - complete discharge and sucks, and after death - as if nothing had happened: goodbye, brigade commander), you can stop . Or - no way?
  • free
    free 23 October 2015 06: 55 New
    +7
    but for me it’s been so luring from Strelkov lately!
  • Flinky
    Flinky 23 October 2015 06: 56 New
    0
    Strelkov has long been bored, and Purgenyan has nothing to do with it.
    1. natakor1949
      natakor1949 23 October 2015 07: 26 New
      +2
      Strange ... I wanted to put a plus, and the moderators put down the cons. What would that mean? Free and fligky I support your opinion.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 07: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: natakor1949
        Strange ... I wanted to put a plus, and the moderators put down the cons. What would that mean?

        This means that at the same time someone put the cons.
      2. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 08: 58 New
        +1
        natakor1949! Same. Moreover, it is stable. Even when I reload the page.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 October 2015 09: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          natakor1949! Same. Moreover, it is stable. Even when I reload the page.

          This is a conspiracy of admins wassat Although not, I put you a minus, rolled.
          But it didn’t work for you, because two of them put the pluses laughing
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  • Tummyr
    Tummyr 23 October 2015 06: 57 New
    +2
    As soon as Strelkov begins to complain, our horns will be in trouble. I recall "all the time" in the summer of 2014, winter of 2015. After that there were "boilers" for dill. This is my opinion and observation. hi
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 23 October 2015 07: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Tumyr
      As soon as Strelkov begins to complain


      Shh! Let's consider this a good omen - the more boilers in the camp of the enemy, the better good
  • Horst78
    Horst78 23 October 2015 07: 11 New
    +3
    It came at last. And a year ago, fans of the "re-enactor" zealed me.
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 23 October 2015 07: 14 New
    +4
    Kurginyan and Korotchenko say the right thing .... BUT ... Something not a single one was observed in Novorossia ...
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 23 October 2015 07: 27 New
      0
      Quote: dmi.pris
      dmi.pris (3) SU Today, 07: 14 New

      Kurginyan and Korotchenko say the right thing .... BUT ... Something not a single one was observed in Novorossia ...

      Well, Kurginyan seemed to have been to the warring Donetsk often. And he also had operational information.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 23 October 2015 09: 52 New
        +4
        Quote: Horst78
        Well, Kurginyan seemed to have been to the warring Donetsk often. And he also had operational information.
        Yeah, and I wrote down my messages from the couch — well, a real couch commando, of which there are most. Maybe that's why he has fans here soldier
        1. Horst78
          Horst78 23 October 2015 10: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn RU Today, 09: 52 ↑ New

          Quote: Horst78
          Well, Kurginyan seemed to have been to the warring Donetsk often. And he also had operational information.
          Yeah, and I wrote down my messages from the couch - well, a real couch commando, of which there are most. Maybe that's why he has here and fans are soldier

          Do you propose to the Minister of Defense, the Chief of the General Staff, and what is the point of trifling the Supreme himself to take machine guns to the trenches? Do not make me laugh. Everyone must do their job.
    2. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 23 October 2015 07: 49 New
      +5
      Fiercely support! Judge by their deeds. P ... that is, to speak - not tossing bags.
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 35 New
        +1
        All bettors + know who you fiercely support? Yes, and so too?
  • Hammer
    Hammer 23 October 2015 07: 24 New
    +1
    Kurginyan and Korotchenko say the right thing .... BUT ... Something not a single one was observed in Novorossia ...

    And you probably go there every weekend?

    Sorry, I believed in shooter to the last
    1. atalef
      atalef 23 October 2015 07: 34 New
      -2
      Quote: Hammer
      Sorry, I believed in shooter to the last

      don't worry wink no one knows where the end is.

      Sometimes the end is the beginning.
      Well, let's just say (between us girls laughing ) - in his words there is not a small fraction of the truth and an absolutely adequate analysis, of course with a taste of the offended person.
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 23 October 2015 07: 33 New
    0
    Shooter was very popular. This is a huge merit of the media. A little ago, they began to trample it ... also the merit of the media. What can I say .... "and at all crossroads of the earth, facial expressions without losing, noble kings lie ..."
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 23 October 2015 07: 38 New
    +7
    When they say that the conflict in Syria has a religious foundation, it means trying to hide the true state of affairs and transform it into a religious conflict so desired by the West.
    ISIS, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda, etc., etc. - are not representatives of Islam, but terrorist
    organizations created by the West to govern the Middle East.
    By eliminating funding and mate-tech supply, it is possible to get these structures out of the political arena and blow off this “bubble” to the level of disparate small gangs that will be suppressed by ordinary law enforcement agencies.
  • Per se.
    Per se. 23 October 2015 07: 39 New
    +7
    Probably, it’s not entirely possible and necessary to agree in the statements of Igor Strelkov, but I personally respect him. He has his own opinion, which he expressed, that this does not make the holiday some, so this does not mean that he does not root for Russia. The concern of Igor Strelkov can be understood, even officially admits that without a victory in the ground operation, bombing in Syria alone will not give anything. How much everything is correctly calculated, time will tell, but on the border with Crimea, nationalists are escalating the situation, organizing a blockade, which indicates that the topic of Crimea is not closed and that we must be prepared to aggravate the problem, in addition to Syria. If Strelkov is mistaken, it’s only that, perhaps, he’s "blowing cold water", it’s much worse if our authorities make a mistake if they don’t think "blow hot milk." Finally, as you can see, Igor Strelkov is a frank person, it is somehow difficult to suspect him of dirty intrigues. He may not be such an experienced speaker as the same Kurginyan, but he was really at war, risking his life, and not in television studios, in PR, in endless discussions.
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 23 October 2015 07: 47 New
    +3
    What can I say ... As my battalion commander said, "Initiative e ... loves the initiator." The man at one time was not afraid to take the initiative, and it is customary to hang all the dogs on such people in Russia regardless of the results. lol Wait a minute, when the question of “reintegration of Donbass into Ukraine” comes seriously, some clicks will begin to demand Strelkov’s head winked
    1. communist
      communist 23 October 2015 13: 38 New
      0
      Will reach the court. Now it’s too early to raise this topic.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 24 October 2015 09: 15 New
        0
        God forbid that ukram is not issued. I feel sorry for him, the man was really let under the hammers.
        Tolstoyans, damn it ... Evil is not enough, but I do not want to swear.
  • maikl50jrij
    maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 07: 48 New
    +4
    Recently, I have more and more heard criticism of Girkin. For any reason. It seems that he is "drowned". Slow! With a tight fit ...
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 23 October 2015 08: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: maikl50jrij
      Recently, I have more and more heard criticism of Girkin. For any reason. It seems that he is "drowned". Slow! With a tight fit ...

      But who the hell is he needed? The peak of the gyrkiniad has long been passed, in particular, here in VO they choked with nozzles, compared with Zhukov, idolized so that in his praise from the corporals they were knocked out for generals in a couple of days. And, of course, in the best traditions, those who treated him negatively or, at least, with restraint, were immediately recorded as "liberalists." What can he do on the political field? Flood on talk shows at unknown stations?
      1. maikl50jrij
        maikl50jrij 23 October 2015 08: 26 New
        +3
        And who said that he is a politician? He was needed as a fighter. "The Moor has done his job; the Moor will be removed!" hi
    2. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 08: 55 New
      +4
      That's right, just such an impression. The Kremlin seized the initiative from Strelkov and the team (because he himself was not ready for anything) when he saw a sharp rise in the popularity of I. Strelkov (the emergence of the national idea of ​​the Russian world, which is extremely dangerous for the "international" Kremlin) and applied the principle "you can’t control - lead. " That's why everything is "smooth" and happens, by the method of substitution.
      1. atalef
        atalef 23 October 2015 09: 22 New
        -5
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        That's right, just such an impression. The Kremlin seized the initiative from Strelkova and the team

        Well, yes, but he came there by himself and PR in all the media at the expense of his resource
        1. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 23 October 2015 09: 53 New
          -1
          Well, not the Kremlin, which, if there was, then much later.
          Came with mates, like all volunteers usually do. And he was ready to die.
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 23 October 2015 15: 47 New
            +3
            Quote: SibSlavRus
            Came with mates, like all volunteers usually do. And he was ready to die.

            something that he was ready there ..?
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 October 2015 16: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: Das Boot
              Quote: SibSlavRus
              Came with mates, like all volunteers usually do. And he was ready to die.

              something that he was ready there ..?

              well, this is to die, comrades.
              More precisely, he and his comrades have already given away, but they were ready to die. laughing
              1. Das Boot
                Das Boot 23 October 2015 18: 11 New
                0
                Quote: atalef
                More precisely, he and his comrades have already given away, but they were ready to die.

                calm, camera. According to the PR laws of the genre, there will be a continuation of the type “An attempt was made on Igor Strelkov at the exit from the laundry ... A laundress with a Ukrainian passport gives a confession”, “The preparation of the SBU terrorist attack with the aim of killing Igor Strelkov by dumping expired pork to Auchan’s counters is disclosed ... "
                etc.
                StarO, as the relics of Goebbels ...
                But - a hero.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 23 October 2015 18: 35 New
                  0
                  Quote: Das Boot
                  Laundress with Ukrainian passport gives confession "," Disclosed preparation of the SBU terrorist attack to kill Igor Strelkov by throwing expired pork on the shelves of Auchan

                  good
        2. Siberian
          Siberian 23 October 2015 18: 41 New
          +2
          And in what kind of media it is PR, except the Internet. And I didn’t notice a selfie.
          1. Das Boot
            Das Boot 23 October 2015 19: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Siberian
            And in what kind of media it is PR, except the Internet.

            Well, apologists for information wars include in the media sphere and the Internet, I guess. The abbreviation "Media" is so flexible .... The vulnerable ...
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 October 2015 07: 56 New
    0
    Strelkov, IMHO, broke the Novorossia project, radicalizing the conflict before the armed BEFORE TIME. As a result, Kharkov remained with the Nazis. I was told about this by the residents of Kharkov, my friends. The situation has fluctuated. But when they started shooting in the Donbass ...
    If Strelkov is not, he understood this. But he can’t put up with it. Yes, and character ... That’s “vanging”, losing a sense of reality.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 October 2015 08: 24 New
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Strelkov, IMHO, broke the Novorossiya project, radicalizing the conflict before the armed BEFORE TIME.

      Oh really? Or maybe the words “We don’t leave our own” were said before, and then the opinion changed?
      The oligarchs merged New Russia, there is already no New Russia to which they aspired. People’s Republic without oligarchs. And about Plotnitsky and say nothing. As for Syria ...
      Vanga also said:
      “Soon the oldest teaching will come into the world. They ask me: “Will this time come soon?” No, not soon. Syria has not fallen yet! Syria will collapse at the feet of the winner, but the winner will not be the same! ”
      When asked when the 3 I World War begins, she answered - “Not soon, Syria has not yet fallen, as soon as Syria falls, - wait for the great war between the West and the East”
      So time will tell who was right.
      1. Das Boot
        Das Boot 23 October 2015 08: 58 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        there is no longer the New Russia to which they were striving. People's Republic without oligarchs

        please leave this campaign, Elena. All these worthless declarations of "popular pre-people's republics" do not cost the eggs of the rabbit sniffed by. This Bidstrup caricature reminds me.
      2. V. Salama
        V. Salama 24 October 2015 00: 30 New
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        Quote: Egoza
        The oligarchs merged New Russia, there is already no New Russia to which they aspired.

        There is nothing to argue. Not only the lack of timeliness of the necessary decisions played a role, but also the deliberate sabotage of the goals desired by the people.
        Quote: Egoza
        Even Vanga said: ... as soon as Syria falls, wait for the great war between the West and the East ”
        Sorcerers should not be trusted, especially since Vanga’s prophecies were forbidden to be written down, so it’s more convenient for further manipulations. The same was true with the prophecies of Nostradamus, whose manuscript burned out in full circulation during a fire in Amsterdam, if I am not mistaken in 1614, and they blackmailed our monarchs and steamed the brains of the people. I would believe in the effectiveness of the yellow press, which at one time, fulfilling the tasks of the special services on behalf of the same Nostradamus, influenced public opinion by a prophecy that the last king in Hyperborea would be Michael-labeled. The goal was to make people come to terms with the inevitable and thereby deprive them of their ability to counteract. I think this is the very case with Wang — who knows what she was saying, but if the information went that “after the fall of Syria there is a great war between the West and the East” - there is no doubt “the world behind the scenes” (that is, the leadership of transnational corporations) is preparing such a dirty trick .
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 24 October 2015 00: 50 New
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