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Egypt will resume the assembly of the American M1A1 Abrams

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Egyptian Minister of War Industry in mid-October held talks with General Dynamics Vice President Donald Schenk to resume supply of machine kits to continue the assembly process tanks M1A1 Abrams, reports TSAMTO with reference to Allafrica.com.


Egypt will resume the assembly of the American M1A1 Abrams


"At the talks, the parties discussed plans to deepen bilateral cooperation, to deliver components for the assembly of MBT at Egyptian enterprises and to expand opportunities for the development of heavy equipment," the publication said.

The licensed assembly of American tanks is performed by a plant located in the industrial zone of Helwan, south of Cairo.

According to the source, production is currently suspended, "due to the exhaustion of existing stocks of components and assemblies previously shipped from the United States."

In 2011, the US Ground Forces entered into a contract with General Dynamics (under the eleventh option to the main contract) worth $ 395 million to supply the Egyptian army 125 kits for assembling Abrams tanks. Deliveries began by the summer of 2013 g, but then (after the removal of Mursi from power) were suspended.

If this contract is completed, the number of M1A1 in the Egyptian army will reach 1130 units.
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  1. Das Boot
    Das Boot 22 October 2015 08: 37 New
    22
    Нда. Субмарины, геликоптероносцы, теперь абрашки...Идиома "египицькая сила..." постепенно материализуется...
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 October 2015 08: 40 New
      13
      Well, yes, with the world on a thread naked shirt.
      1. Penetrator
        Penetrator 22 October 2015 08: 50 New
        15
        Quote: vovanpain
        Well, yes, with the world on a thread naked shirt.

        Нихрена себе "рубашка" в 1130 единиц!
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 22 October 2015 08: 51 New
          +3
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: vovanpain
          Well, yes, with the world on a thread naked shirt.

          Нихрена себе "рубашка" в 1130 единиц!

          laughing armored baby girl ...
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          2. supertiger21
            supertiger21 22 October 2015 14: 28 New
            0
            Yes, Egypt’s cool army! 1000 units of Abrams is a terrible force, though there must also be an appropriate qualified crew for them. wink
        2. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: vovanpain
          Well, yes, with the world on a thread naked shirt.

          Нихрена себе "рубашка" в 1130 единиц!

          all the same, it turns out: either the shirt is long, or HE is short ... winked
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 53 New
      0
      here understand them ... both yours and ours. what со всеми работают,наверное,где за скидки,где за "бонусы"... what
      1. Hon
        Hon 22 October 2015 09: 13 New
        +3
        Everybody buys it like that
    3. Dreiko11
      Dreiko11 22 October 2015 09: 21 New
      +5
      something Egypt began to actively arm itself, the Mistrals are added to the above list .... what are they preparing for and who is financing them so
      1. amirbek
        amirbek 22 October 2015 09: 30 New
        +1
        Iggil written on tanks
      2. Россия 24
        Россия 24 22 October 2015 10: 37 New
        0
        Egypt will resume the assembly of American copper basins. lol
    4. marlin1203
      marlin1203 22 October 2015 15: 21 New
      +1
      1130 Abrams in the Egyptians? belay да они в этом случае кого-угодно в своем регионе " воткнуть " могут. С израилем только вопрос. Вот вам и " нищий" Египет... Или опять саудиты башляют? what
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 23 October 2015 13: 09 New
        0
        We are talking about the obsolete model M1A1, and the equipment is probably far from the equipment of the US Army tanks, armor without depleted uranium, truncated optical and electronic systems.
  2. Imperialkolorad
    Imperialkolorad 22 October 2015 08: 38 New
    -1
    So they need these sheds?
    1. Roman1970
      Roman1970 22 October 2015 08: 46 New
      15
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      So they need these sheds?

      Зря недооцениваете "сараи". Мы же не на "Цензоре", не стоит заниматься "шапкозакидательством". Оружие вероятного противника надо изучать и делать для себя соответствующие выводы. Тем более, неплохой танк. Вот, к примеру, украинский автомат "Гопак", меня действительно повеселил! laughing
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 22 October 2015 09: 13 New
        +5
        Quote: Roman1970
        Moreover, a good tank.


        Not bad .. not bad .. The Egyptians still do not understand.


        Armor
        Namely - uranium sections. You may ask, how can this thing be both an advantage and a disadvantage? But the thing is this. Until uranium is touched, it’s quiet, because it’s depleted, but it’s worth starting to hit shells with such armor as uranium strives to go into a finely dispersed state and, if it enters the lungs, can lead to severe poisoning. Yes, this wonderful metal, in addition to the well-known health effects, is also chemically toxic. This disappointing circumstance was clarified during the first “Desert Storm”, moreover, as a result of unfortunate incidents of “shooting at home,” when shells with cores from this uranium suddenly pierced armor with the same uranium. In this regard, the uranium causals began to slowly cut out from the army. Also, the tankers themselves were indignant - after all, when you are surrounded by several tons of armor with this uranium of yours, and several tens of shells crashing in your back with it, it becomes a little sad.
        1. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 22 October 2015 11: 14 New
          0
          Where do uranium plates come from in Egyptian Abrams?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 22 October 2015 11: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
            Where do uranium plates come from in Egyptian Abrams?


            from there and in the American ...
            m1a1 (since 1985) has a filler made of corundum ceramic AD92. M1A1HA (since 1988) corundum ceramics AD92 and uranoceramics UO87, (1990) M1A1HA + \ D \ M1A2 corundum ceramics AD95, and uranoceramics of the 2nd generation uo100. (since 2000) M1A2SEP \ SEPv2 \ M1A1SA \ FEP have AD95 and uranoceramics of the 3rd generation UO100 with graphite spraying and titanium as a lining of change reservation packages instead of aluminum
            http://topwar.ru/23416-analiz-bronirovaniya-tanka-m1a2-sep-abrams.html
            1. mvg
              mvg 22 October 2015 11: 56 New
              0
              you yourself answer that with uranium only m1a2 sep .. and this is not the same ..
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 22 October 2015 13: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: mvg
                you yourself answer that with uranium only m1a2 sep .. and this is not the same ..


                if you had carefully read .. M1A1HA (since 1988) corundum ceramics AD92 and uranoceramics UO87, (1990) M1A1HA + \ D \ M1A2 corundum ceramics AD95, and uranoceramics of the 2nd generation uo100

            2. KGB WATCH YOU
              KGB WATCH YOU 22 October 2015 12: 02 New
              +2
              AND? Uranium in M1A2 of certain modifications, Egypt buys M1A1 without uranium.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 22 October 2015 13: 54 New
                +2
                Quote: KGB WATCH YOU
                AND? Uranium in M1A2 of certain modifications, Egypt buys M1A1 without uranium.


                China also bought gold without tungsten in the states ...
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 22 October 2015 11: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: vorobey
          Armor
          Namely - uranium sections. You may ask, how can this thing be both an advantage and a disadvantage? But the thing is this. Until uranium is touched, it’s quiet, because it’s depleted, but it’s worth starting to hit shells with such armor as uranium strives to go into a finely dispersed state and, if it enters the lungs, can lead to severe poisoning. Yes, this wonderful metal, in addition to the well-known health effects, is also chemically toxic. This disappointing circumstance was clarified during the first “Desert Storm”, moreover, as a result of unfortunate incidents of “shooting at home,” when shells with cores from this uranium suddenly pierced armor with the same uranium. In this regard, the uranium causals began to slowly cut out from the army. Also, the tankers themselves were indignant - after all, when you are surrounded by several tons of armor with this uranium of yours, and several tens of shells crashing in your back with it, it becomes a little sad.


          Вообще-то в Лурке тоже косячат. В том числе и по этой тематике. В броне уран "связан" керамикой, а его летучесть несколько проблематична из-за большой плотности. По сути, он не опаснее аналогов в этом плане, а вот по цене - сильно дешевле.
          But the psychological factor, yes, he steers in full.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 22 October 2015 14: 02 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            В броне уран "связан" керамикой, а его летучесть несколько проблематична из-за большой плотности. По сути, он не опаснее аналогов в этом плане, а вот по цене - сильно дешевле. А вот психологический фактор -да, он рулит по полной программе.


            Well, yes ... an eloquent photo.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 22 October 2015 15: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              Well, yes ... an eloquent photo.

              Than? What someone attributed something without specifying the source of the photo and other cute moments and posted on btvt?
              Странно только что вот такая фотка с припиской в количестве одной штуки что-то пытается доказать, тогда как вокруг любого Абрамса должны тогда были бы ставить значок "радиоактивно".
              The problems of depleted uranium are not in radioactivity (which is approximately equal to the natural background from the extremely low half-life of depleted uranium), but in chemical toxicity. However, in order for the impact to go, a person must swallow such an amount of uranium dust that in this situation this is unrealistic. If only because in the armor the uranium is bound by ceramics.
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 22 October 2015 20: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              Well, yes ... an eloquent photo.

              show photos of our tanks? or google yourself?
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 22 October 2015 11: 39 New
        +5
        Quote: Roman1970
        Зря недооцениваете "сараи". Мы же не на "Цензоре", не стоит заниматься "шапкозакидательством".

        Здесь шапкозакидательство любили еще до "Цензора", там по сравнению с ВО дети сидят
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 22 October 2015 13: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Pimply
          Здесь шапкозакидательство любили еще до "Цензора", там по сравнению с ВО дети сидят


          Well, Zhenya can’t beat you anywhere ... Israel steers ...
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 22 October 2015 15: 22 New
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            Well, Zhenya can’t beat you anywhere ... Israel steers ...

            Well, well, it's me - special on caps 8)
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    2. Truth
      Truth 22 October 2015 08: 53 New
      0
      Quote: ImperialKolorad
      So they need these sheds?

      They are needed - they are not needed ... they will figure it out themselves.
      Тут другое, автомата заряжания нет - там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".
      Probably feed their on hot dogs, hamburgers and stake, that would at least somehow comply with entom standard ...
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      2. Mera joota
        Mera joota 22 October 2015 09: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: Truth
        там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".

        And where are the Germans taking the blacks? Do they order in the USA? What about the Jews? Arabs are riveted?
        1. Truth
          Truth 22 October 2015 09: 52 New
          0
          And this offer, you didn’t read
          Probably feed their on hot dogs, hamburgers and stake, that would at least somehow comply with entom standard ...
        2. Shuttle
          Shuttle 22 October 2015 10: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Mera Joota
          Quote: Truth
          там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".

          And where are the Germans taking the blacks? Do they order in the USA? What about the Jews? Arabs are riveted?

          A Negro is not only a race determined by skin color. In modern Russian, it is also a collective image of low-skilled workers engaged in heavy labor.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 22 October 2015 10: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Shuttle
            In modern Russian, it is also a collective image of low-skilled workers engaged in heavy labor


            nickname?
        3. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 22 October 2015 14: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Mera Joota
          And where are the Germans taking the blacks? Do they order in the USA? What about the Jews? Arabs are riveted?

          Уважаемый Mera Joota, позволю уточнить, ни у немцев, ни у израильтян "Абрамсы" на вооружении не состоят. hi
          But the question with the Egyptians is interesting. How many of them have not been seen are mostly skinny, although on the other hand they can be taken in two at a time. wassat
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 22 October 2015 14: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir 1964
            Уважаемый Mera Joota, позволю уточнить, ни у немцев, ни у израильтян "Абрамсы" на вооружении не состоят.


            we are talking about the fact that both Leo and Carrot are also manually charged ..
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 22 October 2015 17: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              we are talking about the fact that both Leo and Carrot are also manually charged ..

              Sasha, I don’t argue, but the article is about abrams. hi
              1. anti-Semite
                anti-Semite 22 October 2015 18: 14 New
                0
                Yes, but Egypt has experience operating t 55 and t 62 and there is manual loading so that is nothing new in this regard, the question is where do Americans take tank kits if the only state plant has been closed for a long time?
      3. Hon
        Hon 22 October 2015 09: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: Truth
        They are needed - they are not needed ... they will figure it out themselves.
        Тут другое, автомата заряжания нет - там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".
        Probably feed their on hot dogs, hamburgers and stake, that would at least somehow comply with entom standard ...

        There is no AZ, but longer ammunition can be used, which is why armor-piercing in Western 120 mm guns is higher than in our 125 mm
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 22 October 2015 09: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: Hon
          There is no AZ, but longer ammunition can be used, which is why armor-piercing in Western 120 mm guns is higher than in our 125 mm


          interesting opinion ... is it according to the discovery? at what distance .. and how does the scrap behave during a rebound ... and even thin long scrap has the property to break in flight .. laughing
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 22 October 2015 10: 03 New
            +1
            The length of the arrow-crowbar of Russian shells is about 55 cm,
            American - about 85 cm.
            Russian - tungsten, American - uranium.
            Compare.
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 22 October 2015 10: 11 New
              +3
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The length of the arrow-crowbar of Russian shells is about 55 cm, American - about 85 cm. Russian - tungsten, American - uranium. Compare.


              and what ... armor penetration for BPS is very arbitrary ... again this is Wiki ..
              Below are taken as an illustration taken from the monograph "Protection of Tanks", Publishing House MSTU. N.E. Bauman, 2007, the value of the "average" armor penetration of homogeneous steel armor at an angle of 60 ° at a distance of 2000 m [2]:

              Russia
              BOPS Lead-1 and 2 - 700mm / 60 °; available for the latest modifications 2A46 essentially for all T-90 [3].
              БОПС Вакуум-1 - 1024/60°; для орудия 2А82 и (возможно что или и не известно определённо для какой именно, с учётом разности калибров орудий очевидно что "поддоны" для "сердечника" будут разного калибра) 2А83 .[4][5]

              USA
              BOPS M829A1 for 120 mm caliber gun (USA) - 700 mm / 60 °;
              BOPS M829A2 - 740 mm / 60 °;
              BOPS M829A3 - 800 mm / 60 °; by combining a larger coefficient of elongation and mass and a drop in speed, when shooting at minimum distances compares favorably with other BPS listed throughout this article in the sense of an increase in armor penetration while reducing the distance in% of the calculation base.

              Germany
              BOPS DM53 for the Rheinmetal L / 55 cannon of 120 mm caliber with an increased barrel length Lst = 55 klb. - 750 mm (D = 2000 m) [6]. Potentially, there are later versions with increased armor penetration (possibly).

              Other countries. Of the known BPS from other countries, no record munitions of recent decades have been noticed at the moment, which has little to do with the actual situation of the situation, especially in the sense of additional data (for example, the number of shells and guns and the protection of the carrier
          2. Hon
            Hon 22 October 2015 10: 19 New
            +1
            even representatives of UVZ agreed with this, watched somehow the interview
          3. Pimply
            Pimply 22 October 2015 11: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            interesting opinion ... is it according to the discovery? at what distance .. and how does the scrap behave during a rebound ... and even thin long scrap has the property to break in flight ..

            Actually, it depends on the material. In this case, it does not break
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 22 October 2015 13: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: Pimply
              Actually, it depends on the material.


              not only ... it also depends on the ratio of length to diameter ... How much you have already argued Eugene you can’t fix ... By the way, didn’t you insist that carmatics and layout will form the basis of the armata .. laughing
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 22 October 2015 15: 28 New
                +1
                Quote: vorobey
                By the way, didn’t you insist that carmat development and layout will form the basis of the armata ..

                No, actually. Why? I try not to make such assumptions. That the engine ahead can go - said. And the basis ... Will you find my phrase on this topic? 8)) I doubt something
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 22 October 2015 09: 53 New
          +4
          Quote: Hon
          b Western 120 mm guns are higher than our 125 mm

          есть и у нас 115-мм гладкоствольная пушка У-5ТС "Молот" с унитарным выстрелом....

          extend the barrel to 55 calibres + new BK (RP, with remote / programmed detonation, BOPS, cumulative) AZ ...

          БК У-5ТС "Молот" (2А20) танка Т-62
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 22 October 2015 09: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: cosmos111
            есть и у нас 115-мм гладкоствольная пушка У-5ТС "Молот" с унитарным выстрелом....


            good old 5ts, In response to it, they started to develop 120 mm .. for its time it was a breakthrough .. but now where to put it ...
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 22 October 2015 10: 05 New
              +3
              Quote: vorobey
              good old 5ts, In response to it, they started to develop 120 mm .. for its time it was a breakthrough .. but now where to put it ...


              then, the new 125 mm, did not hear we have in development ...

              the Chinese have already made an 125 mm tank gun, with a unitary shot and a long barrel in 60 calibres ...
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 22 October 2015 10: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: cosmos111
                the Chinese have already made an 125 mm tank gun, with a unitary shot and a long barrel in 60 calibres ...


                the Chinese are generally masters ... laughing after how many shots of continuous firing at this gun the barrel hangs as a member of impotent?
                1. cosmos111
                  cosmos111 22 October 2015 10: 42 New
                  +3
                  Quote: vorobey
                  after how many shots of continuous firing at this gun the barrel hangs as a member of impotent?


                  in German German L55, with a barrel in 55 calibers, DO NOT sag ???

                  why should the Chinese ???

                  don’t underestimate the Chinese defense industry, it is already producing world-class products, both in technology and in quality ...

                  the initial flight speed of the 125-mm armor-piercing submunition ammunition is 2000 m / s, for comparison, the current Chinese 125-mm shells provide 1700 m / s, the German L55 - 1750 m / s, and the American APFSDS shells only 1555 m / s .. .
                  1. vorobey
                    vorobey 22 October 2015 11: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: cosmos111
                    in German German L55, with a barrel in 55 calibers, DO NOT sag ???


                    I don’t understand the essence of the dispute ... a tank gun should provide the possibility of firing various types of ammunition and here the middle ground is more important than fitting advanced indicators to one kind of projectile ... Germans with a barrel length compensated for the appearance of 2a46 with us .. because 44 caliber did not provide proper level of armor penetration ..
                    1. cosmos111
                      cosmos111 22 October 2015 11: 20 New
                      +1
                      Quote: vorobey
                      a tank gun should provide the ability to fire various types of ammunition and here the golden mean is more important than fitting advanced indicators to one kind of projectile ... Germans with a barrel length compensated for the appearance of 2-46 in

                      with this, no one argues ...
                      what I wanted to say by writing ... a new BC (PF, with remote / programmed detonation, BOPS, cumulative)
                      and 115 mm barrel will work just fine ...

                      Americans, have already introduced OF in Abrams BC, in the modification M1A2 Abrams SEPV3 ...
                      MBT M1A2 SEP ammunition included:
                      1. 120-mm submunition armor-piercing shell M829E4 ...
                      2. 120-mm. Advanced Multi-Purpose ХМ1147 high-explosive fragmentation projectile, which has three modes of detonation: contact with deceleration, contact instant and programmable air. Advanced Multi-Purpose ХМ1147, having a programmable fuse ...
                      new fire control system Ammunition Data Link, allowing the use of a programmable fuse !!!
                      1. vorobey
                        vorobey 22 October 2015 11: 41 New
                        +1
                        Quote: cosmos111
                        Americans, have already entered the OB in the Abrams BC, in the modification of the M1A2 Abrams SEPV3 ... in the MBT M1A2 SEP, the ammunition included: 1. 120 mm M829E4 armor-piercing armor-piercing projectile ... 2. Advanced Multi-Purpose XM120 1147-mm high-explosive fragmentation shell, which has three modes of detonation: contact with deceleration, contact instant and programmable air. Advanced Multi-Purpose XM1147, with a programmable fuse ... a new fire control system Ammunition Data Link, allowing the use of a programmable fuse !!!


                        Our office also has three modes of detonation - fragmentation, high-explosive, and PF, and probably also manually set as American ones ... only as a rule in the park there is not always enough time for this ..
                      2. cosmos111
                        cosmos111 22 October 2015 12: 45 New
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Our office also has three modes of detonation - fragmentation, high-explosive, and OF

                        BUT, NOT programmable as ХМ1147 ...
                        официальное название : "фугасный многоцелевой с трассером "(High Explosive Multi-Purpose with Tracer - HEMP-T)
                        AMR HE projectile with a programmable fuse with a choice of at least three modes of detonation (contact with delay, contact instant, programmable air detonation), the mode is set via the fire control system Ammunition Data Link, tank M1A2 SEP ... ours doesn’t have such an SLA ((I hope so far .. maybe on Armata, something like that will be)))
                      3. vorobey
                        vorobey 22 October 2015 13: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: cosmos111
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Our office also has three modes of detonation - fragmentation, high-explosive, and OF

                        BUT, NOT programmable as ХМ1147 ...
                        официальное название : "фугасный многоцелевой с трассером "(High Explosive Multi-Purpose with Tracer - HEMP-T)
                        AMR HE projectile with a programmable fuse with a choice of at least three modes of detonation (contact with delay, contact instant, programmable air detonation), the mode is set via the fire control system Ammunition Data Link, tank M1A2 SEP ... ours doesn’t have such an SLA ((I hope so far .. maybe on Armata, something like that will be)))


                        Well, there is no air blast in our country and what will affect the quality of the OFS? In other words, we have no shrapnel and that,
                      4. cosmos111
                        cosmos111 22 October 2015 15: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: vorobey
                        Well, we have no air blast and that it will greatly affect the quality of the OFS

                        воздушного подрыва ЕСТЬ..."Айнет " дистанционный взрыватель (3ВМ18, для ОФ снарядов), вкручиваемый в СТАНДАРТНЫЙ ОФС....


                        There is NO advanced SLA (such as Ammunition Data Link) which programs the 3 mode of undermining the OFS ...
                        Quote: vorobey
                        In other words, we have no shrapnel and that,

                        shrapnel, this is it, (M1028 120mm on Abrams) http://gallery.military.ir/albums/userpics/ORD_M1028_120mm_Tank_Round_lg.jpg
    3. vorobey
      vorobey 22 October 2015 09: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: cosmos111
      есть и у нас 115-мм гладкоствольная пушка У-5ТС "Молот" с унитарным выстрелом....


      good old 5ts, In response to it, they started to develop 120 mm .. for its time it was a breakthrough .. but now where to put it ...
    4. Pimply
      Pimply 22 October 2015 12: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: cosmos111
      есть и у нас 115-мм гладкоствольная пушка У-5ТС "Молот" с унитарным выстрелом...

      The question is, how many tanks is it on 8)
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 22 October 2015 12: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        how many tanks is it on

        I did not understand the question ... was (2A20) on all modifications of the T-62 ...

        T-62M of the 160-th Guards Regiment shell Grozny (2-I Chechen)

        http://otvaga2004.ru/tanki/v-boyah/tanki-t-62-v-chechne/
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 22 October 2015 13: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: cosmos111
          I did not understand the question ... was (2A20) on all modifications of the T-62 ...

          T-62M of the 160-th Guards Regiment shell Grozny (2-I Chechen)


          Wonderful. Only now the main Russian tank T-72, for starters, and in the world it is mainly found and T-55, T-62 is an extremely rare beast
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 22 October 2015 13: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            Now the main Russian tank T-72, for starters, and in the world it is mainly found and T-55, T-62 is an extremely rare beast


            this is understandable, BUT I post that it would be good to have a tank gun with a uniform shot ...
            as will accept, the gun U-5TS T-62 ..

            PS: why the Egyptians stubbornly buy MBT M1A2 Abrams ??? the main reason, in the relative safety of the crew, when loading the MBT ... AND, PHOTOS OF THE WORKED EXHAUST PANELS ...
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 22 October 2015 15: 32 New
              +1
              Quote: cosmos111

              PS: why the Egyptians stubbornly buy MBT M1A2 Abrams ??? the main reason, in the relative safety of the crew, when loading the MBT ... AND, PHOTOS OF THE WORKED EXHAUST PANELS ...

              1) There are no invulnerable tanks, remember this. Here they like to show burnt abrams, but they forget how much they fought, that recently the war has taken on a slightly different shape than the classical one, and Abrams adapted them well for these conditions. Forgot how many years tanks fought there? For such a period, relatively few wrecked cars, especially considering the fact that the Americans often preferred not to take risks and simply destroyed the tank
              2) Egypt receives US military assistance for 1,3 billion bucks annually. And they also have a factory for assembly. And also these tanks to a fig. And the tanks have shown themselves quite well. No hats please
              1. cosmos111
                cosmos111 22 October 2015 16: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                and Abrams adapted well to these conditions

                NOT adapted only from anti-tank systems attacking the upper hemisphere ...

                but it was really created for the classic war with frontal attacks and the use of nuclear weapons ...

                YES and the driver in a lying position, quickly gets tired (the pose is physiological, for rest)

                place of the driver in Abrams

                on the simulator, reclining

                and M-60
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 22 October 2015 17: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: cosmos111
                  YES and the driver in a lying position, quickly gets tired (the pose is physiological, for rest)

                  About this - extremely controversial, excuse me

                  Quote: cosmos111
                  NOT adapted only from anti-tank systems attacking the upper hemisphere ...

                  There were not too many of those the enemy
  • tchoni
    tchoni 22 October 2015 09: 34 New
    +1
    Yes, that you cling to AZ and its absence? This is just a solution to the problem. One of many. It has advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps, for the Egyptians, the absence of AZ is good.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 22 October 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: Truth
    They are needed - they are not needed ... they will figure it out themselves.
    Тут другое, автомата заряжания нет - там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".
    Probably they feed their on hot dogs, hamburgers and a stake, that would at least somehow comply with entom standard.

    Read some hundred thousand and a hundred disputes on the topic of AZ, and you will understand how often a nigga roll is preferable to AZ
  • AUL
    AUL 22 October 2015 14: 36 New
    -1
    там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".
    A hefty black man is included in the delivery car kit!
  • PSih2097
    PSih2097 22 October 2015 20: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Truth
    They are needed - they are not needed ... they will figure it out themselves.
    Тут другое, автомата заряжания нет - там в башке (в стандартной комплектации экипажа) сидит здоровенный негр и закидывает вручную выстрелы в "трубу".
    Probably feed their on hot dogs, hamburgers and stake, that would at least somehow comply with entom standard ...

    somewhere like that ...
    American tank M1 Abrams:
    — Отличный танк. Главное — высокотехнологичный: вместо автомата заряжания у него установлен негр-качок, забрасывающий в казённик выстрелы. Ведения огня ракетами в нём исторически не предусмотрено. А на хрена оно надо? Да и выглядит сия зверюга (кстати, его так и зовут в войсках — "зверь") впечатляюще. Особенно башня размером с садовый домик. Двигатель отличный — температура выхлопных газов такова, что инфракрасная головка самонаведения видит его даже из космоса. А ещё на этой же струе можно жарить сосиски для хот-догов. Решётки радиаторные тоже классные — после нескольких часов марша экипаж из них пыль кувалдами выбивает, чтобы движок не заглох. А если это будет вулканический пепел и его хотя бы немного смочит водой, то получится неплохой цемент. Также грамотно решён вопрос недостаточной мощности основного двигателя для кручения садового домика с пушкой. Сумрачные американские гении просто прицепили за башней дополнительный дизельный мотор. Из крупнокалиберного пулемёта, кстати, пробивается на раз, а потом начинает полыхать и лужайка вокруг домика. Отличный танк, короче. Наверное потому, их практически никто покупать не собирается, кроме армии США и африки
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 58 New
    0
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    So they need these sheds?

    видимо какие то преференции...ну не отдавать же нам даром свои? хватит уже "за так" помогать.ну пусть у них "абрамы" будут,нам то что ? request наши на "мисралях" наварятся... fellow
  • Archon
    Archon 22 October 2015 09: 22 New
    0
    and if you put a Russian tankman in abrams, then abrams will be good
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 October 2015 20: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Archon
      and if you put a Russian tankman in abrams, then abrams will be good

      profession loader-gunner in the tank - destroyed and forgotten ...
  • kimanas
    kimanas 22 October 2015 08: 38 New
    20
    How can an Orthodox Muslim fight in a tank named Abram-S?
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 22 October 2015 08: 51 New
      19
      Quote: kimanas
      How can an Orthodox Muslim fight in a tank named Abram-S?

      Наверное в египетской армии они называются "Ибрагим-с" laughing
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Penetrator
        Quote: kimanas
        How can an Orthodox Muslim fight in a tank named Abram-S?

        Наверное в египетской армии они называются "Ибрагим-с" laughing

        preach! + yes
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      3. Mera joota
        Mera joota 22 October 2015 09: 08 New
        +2
        Quote: Penetrator
        Наверное в египетской армии они называются "Ибрагим-с"

        Clap your hands!
      4. Pimply
        Pimply 22 October 2015 12: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Penetrator
        Наверное в египетской армии они называются "Ибрагим-с"

        Fine 8)
  • avvg
    avvg 22 October 2015 08: 38 New
    +4
    Egypt, thanks to Field Marshal As Sisi, acts correctly and on the principle that you want peace, prepare for war and the situation in Egypt has returned to normal.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 October 2015 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: avvg
      Egypt, thanks to Field Marshal As Sisi, acts correctly and on the principle that you want peace, prepare for war

      at the expense of the Saudis ??? Saudis are worse than the Jews in economic terms ...
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 22 October 2015 20: 53 New
      0
      Quote: avvg
      Egypt, thanks to Field Marshal As Sisi, acts correctly and on the principle that you want peace, prepare for war

      at the expense of the Saudis ??? Saudis are worse than the Jews in economic terms ...
  • mpzss
    mpzss 22 October 2015 08: 39 New
    +1
    the Egyptians seem to be going to fight ... only now with whom !? what
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 08: 41 New
      +8
      Quote: mpzss
      ..but only with whom !?

      В том краю,"друзеи" со всех сторон хватает.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 22 October 2015 08: 59 New
      0
      Quote: mpzss
      the Egyptians seem to be going to fight ... only now with whom !? what

      действительно - не с кем. В их ближневосточной коммуналке все друг другу в кастюли плюют, соль тырят и тараканов под двери запускают. Анадысь, помнится, приводились слова Рабиа о "переброске вооруженных сил в другие государства".
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: Das Boot
        really - not with anyone. In their Middle Eastern communal apartment, they all spit in each other's pots, salt is dug and cockroaches are launched under the doors.

        :"воронья слободка"-"золотой телёнок" "...ИиП"... request
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 22 October 2015 09: 20 New
      +3
      Egypt must have been transported into an ideal world of freedom and democracy? Not? Located in the center of the epic n **** tsa! That's what to fight with.

      Libya - Haftar is holding on there, now mainly on Egyptian assistance. Islamists from Libyan Dawn are shaking very hard, plus IS. And the Dawn of Libya declares a campaign in Egypt for illegally selected territories, and the Islamic State in general in Egypt planned to build a caliphate.

      Mali - in spite of the French peacekeepers who defended the western part of the country, the eastern slouched with the support of the population. The IS there is almost official, although for the time being they are executed at night and in houses, and not during the day, at the confluence of people in the squares, but this is temporary. IS again gathered in Egypt to build the Caliphate. And there is Alkaida Maghrib.

      Sinai - the broads there relied strongly on the local population and are actively picking up all the offended, treating the Muslim brothers. An attempt to get hold of his Mosul collapsed. However, driving around the Sinai is quite dangerous. Army columns are regularly smashed, officials are shot on the roads, and roadblocks are attacked.

      Help sponsors - money for toys gives Saudi Arabia, and it also requires support. For example, in Yemen. And it is real that the operation of the Arab coalition is only the first step of this kind. And soon there will be new blows to the unwanted, which are many in the region.
  • RBLip
    RBLip 22 October 2015 08: 40 New
    +2
    and is the Negro-Charger included?
    1. Penetrator
      Penetrator 22 October 2015 08: 53 New
      +2
      Yes, this is an integrated component of the charging system.
      1. amirbek
        amirbek 22 October 2015 09: 33 New
        -1
        and this is how much metal wasted ...
  • ZKB
    ZKB 22 October 2015 08: 48 New
    -9
    Urgently transfer the coordinates of the plant of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Then they will understand
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 22 October 2015 08: 52 New
      +9
      Quote: ZKB
      Urgently transfer the coordinates of the plant of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Then they will understand

      Wow, what a belligerent you are, why bomb Egypt, because you are still an ally.
      1. ZKB
        ZKB 22 October 2015 10: 09 New
        +2
        союзник не договаривается с врагом о производстве тяжелой техники в горячем регионе, где сталкиваются геополитические интересы. во- вторых, на сегодняшний момент, производство Абрамсов остановлено в США, и в третьих, где гарантия, что эти "египетские союзные " Абрамсы случайно не попадут в руки врагов России. К тому же, зачем нашему союзнику развивать вражескую инфраструктуру в регионе??? к танкам нужны запчасти, боеприпасы, расходники... Все это будет лежать у нашего "союзничка" до нужного момента, а потом еще одна небольшая революция, и это уже развернутая база США в Египте.
        before minus, the brain must be turned on. And lastly, it is possible that at the time of the pre-election situation and the low cost of spending on the military-industrial complex in the USA, this is one of the options to keep gunpowder dry and so that citizens do not particularly strain.
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      3. mvg
        mvg 22 October 2015 13: 49 New
        +2
        интересно, как поступит этот союзник, если мы с саудами в Сирии схлестнемся? Например, после поставки стингеров или рэд иглов? Или с Катаром, который "грозит" наземкой в Сирии? На чью сторону встанут Мистрали, Аллигаторы, Ф-16, Абрашки (фигова туча, кстати), больше, чем у кого-либо в регионе (по потенциалу), не считая евреев.
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: ZKB
      Urgently transfer the coordinates of the plant of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Then they will understand

      a bad joke.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 35 New
        +2
        minus without comment, you become like a mongrel barking from far away ... hi
      2. Das Boot
        Das Boot 22 October 2015 10: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: ZKB
        Urgently transfer the coordinates of the plant of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Then they will understand

        a bad joke.

        да, шуточка туповатая. Чел забыл мысль продолжить: "Спонсор авиаударов - Уралвагонзавод"
        1. AUL
          AUL 22 October 2015 15: 01 New
          0
          And why is Egypt there - there is only assembly going on. Evil must be crushed in the bud! Let's bomb the states, where they produce both car kits and finished Abrams! Or let's hit the Leopards! Or according to Leclerc - for a bodygirl with Mistral we recall. And Challengers are also annoying ...
          So, ZKB, you have a wide field of activity, go for it!
          Only do not get others involved in this stupidity.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 22 October 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    Prepare for war. The only question is with whom? On the one hand, there is the worst enemy - Israel, on the other hand, especially against the backdrop of the intensified Taliban, sponsored by the Saudis, it seems to tighten the ring around Iran. Again, against the background of Qatar's croaking about Syria, they can start with it. In general, if the Saudis are arming Egypt, then there can be any option.
    1. Das Boot
      Das Boot 22 October 2015 09: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Engineer
      On the one hand there is the worst enemy - Israel

      "Наши сердце с египетским народом, мы посылаем соболезнования правительству Египта и семьям погибших в борьбе с диким террором"
      Netanyahu. The Jews agreed to the Egyptian operation in the Sinai in the summer of this year.
      1. ZKB
        ZKB 22 October 2015 10: 15 New
        0
        The Americans will not supply weapons against Israel. Israel is the United States satellite, and Egypt, although it still bears the color of Russian influence, has lately been the Mistral ... Abrams ...
        1. Das Boot
          Das Boot 22 October 2015 11: 30 New
          0
          Quote: ZKB
          The Americans will not supply weapons against Israel. Israel is the U.S. satellite,

          yes come on, the lyrics are all that. This is the bread of the American defense industry. And besides, M60, avangers, M109, M120 in Egypt appeared as trophies, or what?
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 22 October 2015 09: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Engineer
      Prepare for war. The only question is with whom? On the one hand there is the worst enemy - Israel,

      They have peace with Israel, but a thin world!
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 22 October 2015 12: 06 New
        0
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        They have peace with Israel, but a thin world!

        Nevertheless, Israel, among the main opponents, retreated half a step, letting local terrorists and Iran go ahead. The intensity of propaganda against Israel has slightly decreased
  • Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 22 October 2015 09: 07 New
    +2
    So many tanks is already serious.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      So many tanks is already serious.
      для африки-да. против вторжения "из вне"-ничто...(имею ввиду вторжение серьёзных государств,а не "племён".)
      1. mvg
        mvg 22 October 2015 13: 54 New
        +1
        "Из вне" это откуда? Единственное государство, обладающее соизмеримым количеством и качеством бронекулака - это Израиль, но у них с Ебиптом "мир, дружба, жвачка", Даже иранцы не обладают таким парком современных ОБТ. Как бы в Сирию не попер этот металлолом.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 22 October 2015 09: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: Alexey-74
      So many tanks is already serious.

      yeah, robots are grave) During the Six Day War and S.D. Egypt co-opted with the Syrians, Jordanians and Iraqis. And now, it seems, they rely only on themselves))))
  • observer
    observer 22 October 2015 09: 41 New
    -1
    On the one hand, it would not be bad if they bought tanks from us, but on the other Egypt supports us and its strengthening is also in our hands.
  • Dimon19661
    Dimon19661 22 October 2015 09: 55 New
    -1
    I wonder what percentage of combat-ready Abrams in the Egyptian army buy car kits, do not produce their spare parts, parts from General Dynamics cost fabulous money, like warranty, 55 percent are interesting?
  • ZKB
    ZKB 22 October 2015 10: 26 New
    -1
    вот увидите, этот "союзничек" еще покажет. Думаю, американцы обкакались в Сирии, и после 2014 взялись за Египет. идет передел Ближнего востока. и покупка Абрамсов у США в регионе- не очень хороший звоночек. они ж не Т-90 купили.
    1. KGB WATCH YOU
      KGB WATCH YOU 22 October 2015 11: 19 New
      +2
      What for them still T-90? They have Abrams, M60A2 / A3, T-55, T-62 are in service. They chose the most modern tank in service and buy it, everything is correct and logical.

      They buy Ka-52K and Ka-52 from us.
      1. ZKB
        ZKB 22 October 2015 12: 19 New
        0
        They chose the most modern tank in service and buy it, everything is correct and logical.

        about modernity, it’s you famously bent ... advertised, yes, and ala 80s.
        By the way, the only tank plant in the US, the Detroit Arsenal plant in Detroit is closed and demolished. Currently, deep modernization of existing Abrams tanks of all modifications is underway at the Lima Tank Plant in Lima, Ohio, owned by General Dynamics. The plant is experiencing significant financial difficulties; in 2013, the option of temporary closure until 2017 was discussed
        1. ZKB
          ZKB 22 October 2015 12: 21 New
          0
          Egypt decided to support the factory
        2. KGB WATCH YOU
          KGB WATCH YOU 22 October 2015 14: 38 New
          +1
          Во-первых, под фразой "самый современный танк стоящий на вооружении" имелось ввиду стоящий на вооружении в египетской армии.

          Secondly, Abrams is one of the best tanks in the LMS, which is definitely superior to the T-90S (I don’t know about the T-90CM). And crew survival is much more attractive than in T-esh.
    2. Das Boot
      Das Boot 22 October 2015 11: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: ZKB
      Well, they didn’t buy a T-90.

      well, the wedge light on the T-90 did not converge. Thank God, the market is deficient.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 22 October 2015 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: ZKB
      вот увидите, этот "союзничек" еще покажет. Думаю, американцы обкакались в Сирии, и после 2014 взялись за Египет. идет передел Ближнего востока. и покупка Абрамсов у США в регионе- не очень хороший звоночек. они ж не Т-90 купили.

      In fact, they receive only military assistance from the States for 1,3 billion dollars under the Sinai Peace Treaty (we will not mention economic, there is still a piece)
  • exalex2
    exalex2 22 October 2015 13: 06 New
    0
    Египет там,Египет здесь. И вертолёты, и танки, И ВСЁ на "халяву"?. Но так не бывает..Видимо поставят "смотрящим", когда всем уже надоест возиться с арабскими "братьями". "украинцы" уже всем надоели, нужна новая "тема".
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 22 October 2015 18: 35 New
    0
    Saudi Arabia with Qatar already drove Egypt about 30bn. into service, are going to fit more. Moreover, they monitor the costs, only weapons are bought, as quickly as possible, from anywhere, who really has one and they take it. Fleet, aviation, tanks, everything is ordered.
    Вопрос, когда и как они попросят египетское руководство отработать эти деньги? Тут же нет дураков которые считают, что деньги египту дают просто так - "бескорыстно". Учитывая что СА и катар поддерживают вахабитов и ИГИЛ, результат может получится весьма неожиданным для наших урапатриотов. Я бы даже сказал - совершенно неожиданным.