Starving God of War

The production of shells in Russia can be considered over


No matter how much buried artillery, it was, is and will be the god of war. Evidence of this is all the armed confrontations of our time. But without enough shells, cannons are useless.

I am not a tanker. And I am not going to criticize the Armat combat vehicle. Perhaps she really is the best in the world. But in my shell business, I am, I will say, without false modesty, an expert. Thirty-six years engaged in the technology of mechanical processing of artillery shells. I know in all necessary details what the mass production of ammunition is.

Starving God of WarNo matter how good the tank is, but without shells it turns into a burden for the army. Vasily Grabin called the tank a gun wagon. As for the "Almaty", it threatens to become a vehicle for the crew, hidden in a capsule, if the shell issue is not resolved.

In accordance with plans until 2020, it is planned to adopt 2300 tanks "Armata" (and this is not counting the cars on its platform). Uralvagonzavod intends to produce 500 units per year. “Armata” is equipped with a 125-mm cannon much longer than the existing ones with the new BPS (armor-piercing-submunition shells) “Vacuum-1”. In addition, it is stated that this is a temporary solution. And on the approach a 152-mm gun, the shells of which are capable of burning a meter of steel. Thus, the tank for many years will be inaccessible to competitors. Hearing about this, I perked up, imagining how much work for us, projectile specialists.

In ammunition "Almaty" 45 BPS caliber 125 millimeters. Caliber 152 millimeter will obviously not be more than thirty units. The developers comment on the situation as follows: of course, the ammunition for the 152-mm gun will be significantly less than for the 125-mm. Let's do arithmetic.

Multiplying 30 shells by 2300, we get 69 thousands. This is for all tanks and only for one battle. And the whole war? It is easy to figure out: for tanks such as "Armata" you need at least a million shells per year. But there is also the "Coalition", and self-propelled and towed howitzers tested in battles, which will remain in service with our army for a long time. We are talking about millions of shells.

Who and where will they be manufactured if, at present, the shell production in our country has been almost completely destroyed? For "Armat", passed on Red Square 9 May, they can be done on the knee. And for the entire planned fleet of these cars? Mass production of ammunition is not as simple as it may seem.

So where are they going to do anyway? To me, the old projectile, in spite of the knowledgeable of all those more or less capable of this production, it remains only to be perplexed. For maneuvers and demonstration shooting, there is no doubt that shells will be stockpiled. And in case of a big war, when ammunition will be required by front echelons? Do not assume that the fighting in the Donbass continued until the last stocks of Soviet shells ended? And at the same time on both sides.

I thought that our shell institute, which in its defense industry is a backbone, will finally be in demand - TNITI (Tula Technological Research Institute of Technology). After all, we are talking about nothing less than the security of the country, the fate of the Armata tanks, the equipment industry and the unique institute of TNITI, which in my opinion live the last days thanks to the concerns of reformers, who had become famous.

Recently, I was at a meeting of shareholders TNITI. There was a question about the early resignation of the director. When he reported to the team, he asked what he thought about the prospects of the once powerful institute of production and production, designed to provide plants for the industry with new technologies, machines and non-standard equipment?

The director did not say anything intelligible. But after he proposed another reduction of workers, out of the crisis, of which there was absolutely nothing left, and to rent out the last production space, there was no desire to ask him anything.

In conditions when everything at the enterprise is decided by several people who have the lion’s share of the shares, voting turns into a formality, into a fiction. Judge for yourself. Out of a thousand-plus shareholders, there were hardly a hundred. Nevertheless, the quorum gathered. Contrary to the wishes of the team, the director remained in office - to complete the last act of our tragedy, which stretched over 25 years.

The production of artillery shells in my memory was already in a similar position as a result of the reforms of Nikita Khrushchev. The leader of the Soviet state, suffering from a heavy rocket attack, defeated domestic artillery under zero. And at the same time and ammunition industry. After this pogrom in Tula, a shell institute was created in 1966, and we had to start literally from scratch.

By 1990, TNITI has become a truly unique institution - with its machine-tool production capacity of up to 150 machine tools per year, as well as non-standard equipment throughout the entire ammunition production cycle, from billet to finish. Three and a half thousand employees, a branch of the department of the Tula Polytechnic Institute, the training of engineering and scientific personnel - 40 candidates of technical sciences exclusively from their employees.

And today we should start with this. At the former shell plants a lot of free space, but the equipment is worn to the limit. Back in 1985, it was planned to completely replace it by the year of 2000. One can imagine what the age of the machine park is today - that part of it that is not scrapped, sold out and not taken apart for spare parts.

Maybe someone thinks to buy equipment abroad? However, neither America nor Europe will sell us the equipment for sludge production. Look at which machine tool plant was built by the German concern Gildemeister AG in Ulyanovsk. ECOLINE machines for someone, maybe, are good, but shells cannot make them. And judging by the fact that 1000 machines will make 200 workers, this is a screwdriver assembly.

By the way, this is what G. Samodurov, head of the Association of Manufacturers of Machine Tool Products, says: “... there is complete statistics showing how we are restricted in supplying a modern product, we are prohibited from supplying modern equipment to Russia for defense industry enterprises that work in dual technology. If they receive this equipment, it is done in different roundabout ways, through third-fourth countries, but this is not the case. And we have a lot of examples when they stop and shut off foreign equipment, especially American-made. We can recall specific facts, for example, in 2010, and in 2011, and in 2012, when a number of enterprises turned off equipment when moving it a meter or two from the initial installation site ”(“ Aging machine park ”,“ VPK ”, No. 7, 2014).

How to convey to those on whom the defense capability and security of the state depend, which is not too late, it is necessary to restore TNITI at least in the former Soviet dimensions. We must buy equipment for it, cherish it. There is simply no other way, in my deep conviction. But today TNITI can practically nothing of what it has done before. The staff is only 300 people, of whom hardly a hundred workers. We are talking about walls, factory buildings and traditions. If the state wants to revive shell production in Russia, it is impossible to do without a technological institute with a powerful machine-tool production.

Why is it necessary to revive the industry with TNITI? Do not start in the same bare spot. It was not for nothing that Tula was chosen as the location of the leading institute of the ammunition industry. There are no problems with specialists, because there is a Polytechnic Institute, which is closely related to the defense industry. And before the machine-tool plants, which ordered equipment for the industry, located mainly in the Urals and Siberia, are within reach. In addition to the slugging machines, many others were needed - artillery shells do not consist of the same buildings. By the way, we were engaged not only with shells, but with “melee combat”, and NURSs, and aerial bombs, and mines, and much more.

In the meantime, we didn’t set up our own plant, we went to Leningrad for the shell machines, and then to Krasnodar, where we organized the production of the KM-816 and KM-817 machines developed by our designers. When ordering equipment for my plants, I traveled all over the European part of the Union: Kiev, Kharkov, Melitopol, Minsk, Vitebsk, Krasnodar, Leningrad, Ryazan, Moscow, Klin, Yegoryevsk, Saratov, Kuibyshev, Penza, Voronezh, Zhytomyr. The entire geography of the deceased machine tool industry is in full view - some are not, and those are far away.

Dr. Kallistov, Ph.D. and academician who has worked all his life in the industry, wrote: “In Soviet times, one of the most important components of the ammunition industry was its own machine-tool industry and, on this basis, designing the technological chains of munitions factories that met modern progressive technologies and with the least labor costs allowed to produce the required amount of ammunition ... Unfortunately, currently own machine-tool industry in the ammunition industry and in our country does not exist, but because of the virtual absence of orders for the production of ammunition or miniscule amounts involved in their production of the required qualification, as a rule, no. "

And where will they come from, if only MGTU im. Bauman has a full-fledged department, training ammunition? Will graduates of this department go, for example, to the Upper Tour? And maybe they will go to Tula. Tula Technical University has not trained for a long time its personnel. Although it could.

It is easy for a specialist to calculate that the shelf life of Soviet shells is running out. It would seem that TNITI’s finest hour has come - once again a state order, financial investments, work will boil. If this is not done, the ammunition industry will remain at the bottom of the trough. Artillery shells will have to buy from China, Israel, the western neighbors of the former Warsaw Pact, which we ourselves once helped set up production.

Throughout the First World War, up to the 1916 year, until the Brusilov breakthrough, the Russian army suffered from a shortage of artillery shells. In 1916, the defense industry produced their 50 millions, eliminating the deficit. But it was already too late, exhausted by exhausting battles that did not lead to results, the army not only did not oppose, but also took the most active part in two revolutions.

In the Great Patriotic War, despite the loss in the first months of the main ammunition factories, it was possible to restore and surpass pre-war shell production with resolute measures. In one 1942 year, 73,4 made a million artillery shells of various calibers.

However, then superiority was achieved by the selfless labor of old men, women, teenagers in the rear ammunition factories and the feat of technologists who managed to divide the manufacture of the same shells into elementary operations using universal machines. But now even selflessness cannot solve anything, since the wear and tear of equipment both in the defense industry and in machine building in general has far exceeded reasonable limits. In the event of a big war, there will simply be nothing to do with projectiles, no matter how mobilized labor resources.
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  1. Dimon19661 25 October 2015 07: 18 New
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    An interesting way to PR, read and other articles of this author-campaign hiked TC, and that's aching.
    1. Wheel 25 October 2015 09: 37 New
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      Are you special?
      Do you own the decor?
      Something tells me that in matters of the defense industry you are at zero level.
      This fall was in Tula.
      Everything is sad, even very.
      Where something else is being done, it is done on the knee and in scanty volumes.
      I’ll add from myself that with the gunpowder we have a pipe, and with trunks.
      But PR is unattainable in former times.
      1. i80186 25 October 2015 10: 45 New
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        Quote: Wheel
        Are you special?

        I'm certainly not special on shells. But I understand tanks. smile
        High-explosive and cumulative shells, for 125mm tank guns, both old and new, are no different. That is, it is only necessary to make BOPS, of which 5-6 pieces are in the standard ammunition set. We proceed from the calculation of 10 shells for the defeat of one modern tank (for which new BOPS are needed) they must be taken into account, given the number of tanks the enemy has, say 100000-150000 pieces - this is 65 shells per tank maximum, given any war. The 152mm gun is generally not clear when it appears. "Everything is lost" is the next. winked
        1. Yon_Silent 25 October 2015 13: 16 New
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          Interestingly say - "make BOPS." If there is any lead or cable with a cable, then why are they needed? And the new one, in fact, also needs to be developed. In the sense - to carry out full R&D. And who in our country performs such work? right - that same TNITI and Moscow NIMI. The author complains about the ugly state of affairs with the means of production and with personnel ... logically, the situation is clearly visible to him at his enterprise. As for NIMI (and he is the head developer of all domestic BPS), there too .. as if to put it mildly ... a circus with horses. And these are only developer organizations. And what is happening now at the former shell-manufacturing plants I can hardly imagine.
          1. i80186 25 October 2015 14: 49 New
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            Quote: Jon_ Quiet
            In the sense - to carry out full R&D. And who in our country performs such work?

            I mean, do you think that you haven’t done this yet? Developed a cannon and a loading mechanism for a new projectile, but not? Brilliant is the same. laughing
            1. shasherin.pavel 25 October 2015 17: 47 New
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              Quote: i80186
              no shell? Brilliantly the same.

              if it would be an 155-mm shell, then I understand that we haven’t seen 155 mm barrels yet, the caliber is foreign. But when they write about the 152-millimeter one, it’s rifled and is no different from “Acacia” and others. As I wrote earlier, again I’ll grasp from the ignorant minuses, the Russian system of calibers differs from the western one, in that ours measure caliber by projectile, and they are measured by the copper shell of the projectile — this is called by the internal parts of the rifling, for us, and by the external parts of the rifling for Of the West. But for the smooth-bore caliber for us in 155 mm, when the barrel cut is eliminated, which gives us an increase in 3 mm, it will become 155 mm. The Is-2 caliber was 122 with a rifled barrel, and became 125 with a smooth one. But if there remains a rifled 152 mm shell, then why should I fence the garden? After all, you can have two types of "Armata" with an 125 mm barrel, as it is now, and partly equip an 152 mm. There were ISU-122 mm and ISU 152 mm. When discussing the shots from "Almaty" here, I wrote that the "Almaty barrel" has no recoil when fired, but the tank shakes more than the T-72 ", and suggested that the 125 barrel is superimposed on the 152 recoil mechanism mm guns. Less recoil power leads to the fact that the recoil mechanism is less susceptible to firing and transfers more to the machine and the tank itself. Apparently really:
              Quote: i80186
              no shell?
              , but then it turns out that they are preparing a smooth barrel, and not a rifled one. And the caliber should be 155 mm with blades opening in flight.
          2. lelikas 25 October 2015 14: 49 New
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            Last year, India purchased 66 thousand (42 thousand) Mango BPS - and nothing, but we can’t do it for ourselves?
            The author was definitely thrown with the order, and so he burst into flames.
        2. Wheel 25 October 2015 13: 50 New
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          Quote: i80186
          you need to have them, taking into account the number of tanks the enemy has, say 100000-150000 pieces — these are 65 shells per tank maximum,
          C'mon ... a millionaire of stuff, like, and on the knee can be done?
          Disappointing - it is impossible.
          And there were continuous knees.
          1. i80186 25 October 2015 14: 53 New
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            Quote: Wheel
            C'mon ... a millionaire of stuff, like, and on the knee can be done?

            I’ll repeat it specifically for you. How many shells do you need in order to destroy one tank? How many tanks does the enemy have? What is a millionaire for? Are you going to find somewhere a couple of hundred thousand modern tanks for these shells? smile
            1. Ingvar 72 25 October 2015 15: 59 New
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              Quote: i80186
              How many tanks does the enemy have? What is a millionaire for?

              Listen to you - on one AK you need a maximum of two horns. The first Chechen one happened during an attempt to take control of the Grozny airport. The attempt remained an attempt.
              1. i80186 25 October 2015 16: 17 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Listen to you - on one AK you need a maximum of two horns. The first Chechen one happened during an attempt to take control of the Grozny airport. The attempt remained an attempt.

                There’s nothing to even say. We then need to make a couple of million “Invars”, you forgot about them. smile
                1. Ingvar 72 25 October 2015 17: 26 New
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                  Quote: i80186
                  There’s nothing to even say. We then need to make a couple of million “Invars”, you forgot about them

                  Smiled, a couple of million of my clones. Wife will not pull! laughing But in fact? Armata is planned as a replacement for the T-72 line as MBT. The concept of the use of MBT involves the conduct of prolonged combat operations. And long-term military operations involve a certain amount of ammunition. Or do you rely on the principle: one shell - one tank? fool A minimum of hundreds of three or four in stock must be in stock, for each unit. If you do not want to stay with an empty automatic loader after two weeks of fighting. hi
                  P.S. Cons for the previous koment were not mine, but I corrected. wink
                  1. i80186 26 October 2015 06: 36 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    A minimum of hundreds of three or four in stock must be in stock, for each unit.

                    Well, for sure, and to give each infantryman a tank a minimum, preferably two. laughing
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                    Smiled, a couple of million of my clones. Wife won't pull

                    I tell you, everything is clear. 9M119M - "Invar-M" guided missile complex "Reflex-M". Are they also 300-400 per tank, or are two dozen enough? Although they still come with volumetric detonating parts, I think we need to abandon the usual high-explosive bombs (you’ll get the hell out of them) and completely switch to rockets. repeat
              2. insafufa 26 October 2015 06: 45 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: i80186
                How many tanks does the enemy have? What is a millionaire for?

                Listen to you - on one AK you need a maximum of two horns. The first Chechen one happened during an attempt to take control of the Grozny airport. The attempt remained an attempt.


                In the Second World War, for every soldier killed at the front, there were 25 rounds
                1. i80186 26 October 2015 06: 48 New
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                  Quote: insafufa
                  In the Second World War, for every soldier killed at the front, there were 25 rounds

                  What about submunitions for 85mm tank guns per tiger? Lord, why are people from the infantry trying to talk about tank shells? laughing
                  By the way, to make it clearer, everyone speaks close to real shot. Count the shells and tanks?
                  1. insafufa 26 October 2015 08: 06 New
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                    Quote: i80186
                    Quote: insafufa
                    In the Second World War, for every soldier killed at the front, there were 25 rounds

                    What about submunitions for 85mm tank guns per tiger? Lord, why are people from the infantry trying to talk about tank shells? laughing
                    By the way, to make it clearer, everyone speaks close to real shot. Count the shells and tanks?


                    In general, from Artragvedka, I personally saw the consumption of conventional shells for one target on a kovkaz
                    If for one purpose the consumption of ATGMs is on average 2-3 pieces if the tank has all the bells and whistles
                    then for the destruction of one gang of 10k militants, the expenditure averaged from 20-30 shells that were not controlled, then adjustable centimeters needed 3 pieces, then red fields needed as strange as skin
                    1. i80186 2 November 2015 09: 52 New
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                      Quote: insafufa
                      In general, from Artragvedka, I personally saw the consumption of conventional shells for one target on a kovkaz

                      And here I am from tankers, and personally shot, and believe me, rarely more than two shells were required on the target, and high-explosive ones. For direct fire. To throw an auditory window at a distance of 1,5 km is not a problem at all. smile
                  2. Ingvar 72 26 October 2015 10: 37 New
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                    Quote: i80186
                    By the way, to make it clearer, everyone is talking close to real shot.

                    Yeah, close to real. One "Sherman" battalion SS gouging! (Further on the film) Hollywood burns! laughing
                  3. lelikas 26 October 2015 12: 05 New
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                    Quote: i80186
                    By the way, to make it clearer, everyone speaks close to real shot. Count the shells and tanks?

                    It was shot beautifully, but in reality - all three Sherman and would not have reached the middle of the field.
                    1. Ingvar 72 26 October 2015 13: 55 New
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                      in reality - all three Sherman and would not have reached the middle of the field.

                      Exactly! Hollywood in one word! drinks
                    2. cth; fyn 27 October 2015 09: 23 New
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                      It’s not true, furry is a firefly, and its cannon already took 300 meters into the tiger’s forehead. But in general, I agree the battle is not logical.
                      1. Ingvar 72 27 October 2015 10: 24 New
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                        Quote: cth; fyn
                        it’s a firefly, and his cannon already took 300 meters into the tiger’s forehead.

                        I didn’t take it in the forehead (with ordinary armor-piercing ones). Like our 85th. hi
                    3. i80186 2 November 2015 09: 51 New
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                      Quote: lelikas
                      It was shot beautifully, but in reality - all three Sherman and would not have reached the middle of the field.

                      Well, yes, it would be so, but how many shells are there to defeat one Sherman? smile
                  4. Atemzug 10 November 2015 16: 20 New
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                    Fire on the go, without a stabilizer?
                    I don’t know where that “reality” is and who are those “all” to whom it seemed similar.

                    Itself shot only practical on the T-72A.
        3. Viktortopwar
          Viktortopwar 25 October 2015 19: 02 New
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          In the standard ammunition 5-6 BOPS? Do you think so? ...
          1. i80186 26 October 2015 06: 33 New
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            Quote: Viktortopwar
            staff ammunition 5-6 BOPS? Do you think so? ...

            I do not think, I know. smile
    2. viktorR 25 October 2015 16: 29 New
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      An interesting way to PR, read and other articles of this author-campaign hiked TC, and that's aching.

      In my opinion, the specialist will never say
      152-mm gun, the shells of which are able to burn a meter of steel

      So it was not in vain that he was thrown ...
      1. cth; fyn 27 October 2015 09: 26 New
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        So yes, the jet doesn’t burn through, but rather pushes the armor with gigantic gas pressure, pierces it.
        1. kolyhalovs 13 November 2015 11: 26 New
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          why gases? under tremendous pressure, the metal melts (there is a special element in the shell surrounded by explosives, which actually then flies in the form of a hot stream) and this LIQUID jet of metal punches a hole in the armor under tremendous pressure. Like a needle.
  2. mr.vasilievich 25 October 2015 08: 24 New
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    A very serious topic has been raised. Any new weapon requires a large amount of ammunition. And if an employee from this area is sounding the alarm, then the situation in providing ammunition, unfortunately, is not so hot.
    1. lelikas 25 October 2015 15: 15 New
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      Quote: mr.vasilievich
      A very serious topic has been raised. Any new weapon requires a large amount of ammunition. And if an employee from this area is sounding the alarm, then the situation in providing ammunition, unfortunately, is not so hot.

      if you dig a little deeper, in 2013 -
      State tests are completed, new ammunition for the 2A82 tank gun is accepted for supply. Serial production has begun, the first batch this year was adopted by the Moscow Region and sent to arsenals for the formation of regulatory reserves. By the time of putting into service the main tank of the Armata family, both standard stockpiles of ammunition will be created, and the current need for combat training will be provided. The factories are completing the next stage of the production of armored weapons and equipment on behalf of the Ministry of Defense and have already completed the production of three prototypes.

      it is clear that he is not the only one who thinks about ammunition. yes
      And if from more recent -
      JSC "Scientific and Production Concern" Engineering Technologies "(part of the state corporation" Rostec ") is a holding company in the field of industry of ammunition and special chemicals. The concern produces high-precision artillery and tank ammunition, artillery rounds for various purposes, multiple launch rocket systems, unguided rockets, small-caliber ammunition, aviation bomb weapons.
      The structure of "Techmash" includes 48 organizations of the industry of ammunition and special chemicals, 47 organizations belong to the military-industrial complex. Many enterprises and research institutes that are part of the holding have a history dating back several decades. Company organizations are located on the territory of 15 constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

      T, e, there are problems, but there is someone to solve them.
  3. aleksandrs95 25 October 2015 10: 17 New
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    The problem is more than strategic, shell production is not only a costly item but also a profitable expense of export. Attention must be paid constantly. Because modern shells can destroy super modern systems from old weapons.
  4. Dimon19661 25 October 2015 10: 22 New
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    And you read the other opuses of this employee. And as for the special, not special, MR-123, MP-600 (20 years) was closely involved. In Soviet times, various offices pulled a blanket over themselves telling how everything was bad and how others could not cope with the order .By the way, read this article in the full original. And about Tula, do you just go around the enterprises? Or at the level of conversations. Tells something to him ..... By the way, I do not say that everything is fine and good, but the work is being done, it may not as fast as I would like. And the author in the full version of the article simply stupidly admitted that they broke off their office with an order for shells and gave the contract to another enterprise. By the way, read his opus about Armata’s tank platform, in his opinion it’s also not needed, we can handle it with the T-90.
  5. runway 25 October 2015 11: 08 New
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    If everything would be fine with the production of ammunition, then they would write about it. But, unfortunately, in that area of ​​the economy - the "defense industry", where we have traditionally been strong, the processes of devastation are already clearly observed.
    I would be glad to be wrong, but the chronic failure to fulfill the state defense order, the latest events at the Vostochny Cosmodrome, the production of ships and aircraft in pieces indicate a serious illness in our economy. If it were the other way round, the “defense industry” would not have noticed the non-delivery by Ukraine of engines for our frigates and helicopters .... I have been looking at information on this site for more than one year, and have not yet seen that area of ​​our economy where everything would be “excellent” .
    If our current leaders didn’t disagree with deeds, import substitution would have already been carried out three times, and all sectors of the economy would be so modernized that they would shine like Vasya’s cat.
    1. Wheel 25 October 2015 11: 50 New
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      Quote: piston
      I’ve been browsing information on this site for more than one year, and have not yet seen that area of ​​our economy where everything would be “excellent”.

      Well, what about?
      The oil industry, the "public domain", the banking sector and the export of grain.
    2. lelikas 25 October 2015 14: 52 New
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      Quote: piston
      If everything would be fine with the production of ammunition, then they would write about it.

      So it’s not interesting to anyone - a plane or a ship is another matter, and today, our plant produced 5000 rounds of ammunition and 100 shells for an article - at best, they will look askance.
    3. GRAY 27 October 2015 08: 16 New
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      Quote: piston
      I’ve been browsing information on this site for more than one year, and have not yet seen that area of ​​our economy where everything would be “excellent”.

      It’s not customary to write about such things.
  6. Colonel 25 October 2015 12: 55 New
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    To the question of specialists
    But in my shell business I am, I will say without false modesty, a specialist.

    and at the same time
    which shells are capable burn steel meter.

    and is it special?
    1. lelikas 25 October 2015 14: 58 New
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      Quote: colonel
      and is it special?

      Of course, special! The fact that she and the OFS are also needed - I did not even think. Shells must be made at the factory, and the institute must develop them and have pilot production.
  7. epron 25 October 2015 12: 57 New
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    Mlyayayayaya! Everything is lost, the guns are cleaned, the bedans distributed. And then a herak, from the Caspian for 50 km, through two states. They also shouted about the T-350, and now, as planned, the combat line of weapons is being filled. Probably, it’s not just the couches that have a headache about the security of the state. Here the other day the S presented.
  8. Cap.Morgan 25 October 2015 13: 32 New
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    Firstly, Armata is still under development and development. This process will take years. During this time, they will learn how to solve the shell problem. So I see no reason to panic.
    Moreover, Russia began active hostilities in Syria, the shell arsenals will require replenishment, which means there will be new orders for both gunpowder and shells. And as a result, financing will go.
  9. anip 25 October 2015 13: 50 New
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    Recently, I was at a meeting of shareholders TNITI. There was a question about the early resignation of the director. When he reported to the team, he asked what he thought about the prospects of the once powerful institute of production and production, designed to provide plants for the industry with new technologies, machines and non-standard equipment?
    The director did not say anything intelligible. But after he proposed another reduction of workers, out of the crisis, of which there was absolutely nothing left, and to rent out the last production space, there was no desire to ask him anything.

    Duc. Do you think that such (similar) is happening only at your enterprise? Yes, this is happening at most enterprises, all the reforms and the whole fight against the crisis is to reduce those who really work (and according to the leadership and top managers - "unnecessary" workers). This is Putin's economy.
  10. dvg79 25 October 2015 14: 13 New
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    I agree with the author of the article because of the ostentatious achievements of the defense industry, it is often empty. I don’t know how much ammunition production is left and what the real situation is, but at the Komsomolsk aircraft factory where the PAK FA is doing, the situation is awful - specialists are fired in packs (a colleague from whom he worked there said there are good friends and relatives, by the way, he himself used to work in the production of ammunition, now there’s just no factory).
  11. ratcatcher 25 October 2015 15: 20 New
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    Great article. The war is won not by the demonstration of Almaty (new weapons are important, but only in the system), but by logistics and support.
    In 1941, the Germans had all the tanks worse than the Soviet, however, it was organization and logistics that helped them achieve great success at that stage ...
    And what is now ... The result of the social and economic system of the past 25 years ...
    Even the Coalition, with its unique double-barreled layout, fell a victim, apparently, in many respects, imperfections in logistics and the breakdown of production and was simplified to a single-barrel model ...
  12. Gray 43 25 October 2015 17: 17 New
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    I would not scold the author like that - in many areas we are in the role of catching up. In the 90s, foreign “partners” made a lot of efforts for the collapse of unique enterprises, the “furniture maker” stood up for everything foreign, disbanding educational institutions, and yet Stalin put forward the slogan “Cadres decide everything!”. Yes, we are strong in the development of rocket technology and we have demonstrated this to the whole world, EW troops are working well, and so far things are not going so far with strike drones, although staffers use such equipment to the fullest, however, civilians often get it. People "in the subject" are well aware of the share of imports in modern armored cars of the Typhoon series, even Michelin wheels.
  13. zulusuluz 25 October 2015 20: 31 New
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    I read many comments and just want to cry. The fact that some, unfortunately, do not see the main thing is a decline in the engineering and technological sectors. Maybe the author was “filled up” with the TS, but whatever the reasons, he expresses the correct idea - you need to teach people and restore the industry. In the end, if not everything, then a lot depends on the personnel.
  14. Dimon19661 26 October 2015 02: 02 New
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    A work colleague with friends there told .....- absolutely reliable information)))))
  15. Andrey NM 26 October 2015 05: 15 New
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    Long live paid education! Hooray to masters and bachelors! A few more such reforms in the field of education, and there will be no cadres at all.
    Pulling cash flows closer to the center will not lead to anything good either. The Institute of Heat Engineering with Bulava has already shown this to us, as a result of the “Makeevites” we still had to attract, and it would not be clear when the Bulava would normally fly.
    Will a Baumanka graduate go somewhere from the capital? Yeah, I ran away. On the ground, you need to learn. And in general, it is impossible to corporatize such institutions, as a result we get questions whether to rent the premises, or to sell them to someone, and those responsible for this mess go out on parole or under the amnesty become "secret Heroes of Russia".
  16. Arjuna 26 October 2015 09: 50 New
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    Since its founding, my small Ural town has been sharpening shells for the Russian army. In the 30s, Comrade visited us. Orgenikidze. And a gypsum monument and American hydraulic presses appeared in the city. A boot was periodically hung on Orshenikidze’s plaster hand - a tribute to the local population for owls. the authorities, the "Americans", on the other hand, did not want to work on our engine oil and throughout the war, vegetable oil was poured into oil baths. People starved to fluff, and in the press pure oil rang. It is not a legend that workers tied themselves to machines so as not to collapse on the spindle from hunger !!! We ground the shells! In three shifts. I graduated from a technical school at the factory, where yesterday’s students from Tula, who had just graduated from the institute and who were distributed in our “bear’s corner”, gave us the most advanced knowledge at that time. Kowtow to them for this! There are still no problems with tolerances and landings.
    So what am I doing? And to the fact that the only city-forming enterprise that has equipped the fleet and army with modern shells for centuries has been covered with a copper basin in the early 90s and guess what it is doing now? What is now with the city - I will not ask. Bitter to me ...
  17. GRAY 27 October 2015 08: 30 New
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    For some reason, the article does not completely take into account the number of shells already in the warehouses, as if they were not there at all - this is wrong. I don’t think that in the Moscow region fools are sitting, how much they wrote off - they ordered so much.