Media: Beijing is interested in Russian development of a promising WIG

The representatives of China are negotiating with the Central Clinical Hospital on hydrofoil them. Alekseeva on the acquisition for the PLA of developed A-050 ekranoplans, reports Look with reference to Defense World.




In late September, the newspaper reported on the completion of the design of a promising sea-winged wig.

According to the publication, "A-050 ground effect vehicle will have a take-off weight of 54 tons, and is designed to carry 9 tons of cargo or 100 passengers to a distance of up to 5 thousand km with a cruising speed of 350 – 450 kilometers per hour." Supposedly, on the ekranoplan “the P-195 starting engines will be installed, as on the Su-25 attack aircraft, and the TV7-117СМ marching engines, as on the Il-114 aircraft.”

The newspaper reminds that at the end of July it became known about the decision taken in the Russian government to resume the production of ekranoplans "as attack missile systems with cruise missiles after 2020 of the year."
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  1. Vladimyrych 21 October 2015 18: 30 New
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    Well, again ... These hugs are straining with China. Especially with regard to technology. For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like with finished products.
    1. lelikas 21 October 2015 18: 31 New
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      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, here again ... These hugs are straining with China. Especially with regard to technology. For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like.

      Not quite so - you need to take money now, for development and design, otherwise then, they will buy one thing and turn on the copier.
      1. Vladimyrych 21 October 2015 18: 34 New
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        lelikas or so.
        IMHO strategic technologies generally can not be sold. And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...
        1. Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 18: 40 New
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          Quote: Vladimir
          For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like with finished products.


          - For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial capacities for the production of finished products. To sell an idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.
          1. 79807420129 21 October 2015 19: 42 New
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            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            Quote: Vladimir
            For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like with finished products.


            - For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial capacities for the production of finished products. To sell an idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.

            Here and now, they have sold a lot of things and some, including some, want to. But with the loot here and now. The Chinese need only one apparatus and documentation, they will do the rest themselves and they will let us in here and now.
          2. Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 20: 10 New
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            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial facilities for the production of finished products. To sell the idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.

            Grab your five cents - and with them to where it is warm .... Only earlier we laughed at “I’ll sew a suit with the ebb, I’ll buy a Volga car - and to Yalta!”, And now it’s our Russian business - to grab as much as possible and tear away. And most importantly - for some reason no one laughs at them, on the contrary - they envy ... negative
            1. Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 20: 27 New
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              Quote: 79807420129
              Here and now a lot of things have been sold and Russia, including some, is wanted by some. But with the loot here and now.


              Quote: Zoldat_A
              and now we have a Russian business like this - to grab as much as possible and tear away.


              - Such things. Therefore, the "SuperJet" - assembled by Russian hands from non-Russian details. The result is complete dependence on technology and the supply of our precious “Western partners.” I would like to believe in a better fate for this ekranoplan (although I don’t really understand what role it will play on the theater), but I fully admit that it will really be produced very quickly in China and, at best, will be sold to Russia.
        2. K-50 21 October 2015 18: 43 New
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          Quote: Vladimir
          lelikas or so.
          IMHO strategic technologies generally can not be sold. And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

          Not certainly in that way. The technology is certainly advanced, but the states already have some groundwork on this topic and the Han people can quite agree on it and then our design bureau will be left without money to develop and debug production, and Russia without really needed ekranoplanes. The situation with both the T-90 and India. hi
          1. Zamachus 21 October 2015 19: 01 New
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            it has been worked out for a long time, but it didn’t need to be laid under the cloth now it took a little work on it in a modern way and forward to production
          2. ksan 21 October 2015 21: 39 New
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            then our design bureau will be left without money for the development and debugging of production, and Russia without the really necessary ekranoplanes. The situation with both the T-90 and India.
            There is a recipe, even three wink : 1. replace shitty liberal government (economic bloc). 2. limit the export of capital from the country, according to various sources, it is 100-150 yards every year, as many countries did during their crises. 3. to stir up a joint project with the Han, by analogy with BRAMOS and India. hi
          3. proletarian 22 October 2015 00: 34 New
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            Yes, the technology is advanced, but remember the “Looney”, Pinosy did not even get to that, and what will happen if the “Moon” technology is restored not with a modern elemental base and with new power plants?
        3. Eugene-Eugene 21 October 2015 18: 44 New
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          In politics, little depends on desires and preferences. They gently supported the Russian Federation at the diplomatic level in the Ukrainian crisis and agreed to a pipe in the heavenly heavens — SU-35 and C-400 will go to them in response.
          1. clidon 21 October 2015 20: 35 New
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            They didn’t just support lightly - after we had an argument with the West, China is a country on which we depend with arms and legs. Money is occupied there, technology and equipment (tyrennoe Chinese from the same west) also from there. Therefore, you have to pay.
            However, the ekranoplans are not a pity, I think that in our country this project will die down.
            1. Eugene-Eugene 21 October 2015 22: 49 New
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              I think we have this project too.

              And in connection with what you think so?
              1. Manul 21 October 2015 23: 20 New
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                Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                And in connection with what you think so?

                Is there a new Alekseev? And his associates who did not "bomb" his office after his death are alive and in production? And at least they built a new ship with air wings? I don’t jerk, I really would like, like everyone, that the ekranoplanes soar again over the water surface of the Caspian and not only. Only after the statements that we will have 50 Tu-160s, I consider any application through the prism of skeptics. We have much smaller planes on the knee are collected in smaller quantities. I would like to believe that such statements are not a desire to promote due to popular admiration for this technique.
            2. avia1991 21 October 2015 23: 10 New
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              Quote: clidon
              ekranoplans are not a pity, I believe that this project will die down in our country too.

              And absolutely unreasonably consider.
              At one time, these developments were hacked because of covert games, including, as well as with a change in the party course. But history is known to spiral wink
              Also, it was the case, in the early 60s they decided that "What for us long-range aviation ?! We have missiles!" And "under the knife" of the development of "strategists", reductions in the army, etc. And a few years later they realized: "E-mine! By the next congress (Plenum of the Central Committee, meeting of the Supreme Council) so that there is a new" strategist "! HOW YOU WANT TO BOOST - BUT REMOVE AND POSIT! "
              Well, even now they are not satisfied with such races .. although - Rogozin won with Vostochny, trying: "It’s a mustache, Mr. President, this year too!" Although there is work left ... not like before the moon, of course - but the most responsible! And the race here is by no means out of place!
              1. clidon 22 October 2015 15: 43 New
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                That is, 25 years of lack of interest in this topic come from undercover games?
                1. avia1991 23 October 2015 02: 14 New
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                  Quote: clidon
                  25 years of lack of interest in this topic

                  Alex, I said that the topic has died out, thanks, among other things, to undercover games. And “lack of interest” is generally a wrong assessment: it would be INTERESTING for the state to do many things, but HAS to deal mainly with what is enough money and what is vital.
                  Ekranoplanes - yes, we lived without them, and we can do further. But if the possibility of developing them appeared, it means that interest in this topic did not fade away, MEANS, which became possible to allocate for this work, simply appeared!
                  Moreover, the customer is MO - one of a narrow circle of structures that have begun to learn to spend money Rationally.
                  And the topic itself is very interesting - especially taking into account the development of technologies, metal science, engine building. With this in mind, a car can be built many times better than, for example, "Eaglet". hi
                  1. strannik1985 23 October 2015 06: 07 New
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                    Information in the media about the development / order / transfer of technology occurs with a frequency of 2-3 weeks. To be honest, it seems more like a throw-in.
                    It’s not interest (I don’t know the reliable data on the order for EP from MO), but there is a Central Design Bureau with a great reserve on this topic, everyone wants to eat.
                  2. clidon 23 October 2015 16: 43 New
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                    The topic would not have died out thanks to investor interest. In the 90s, technology pulled out of us, and we were ready to sell almost everything to everyone. However, the topic of ekranoplanes did not interest anyone.
                    And now it’s more and more like maintaining interest in the half-dead topic, where Russian businessmen are trying to work. There are a lot of declared plans, promises, and at the output there is at most something extremely small for some FSB officers in the tundra.
                    1. avia1991 23 October 2015 21: 26 New
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                      Quote: clidon
                      the output is a maximum of something extremely small for some FSB officers in the tundra.

                      Well, this, in fact, is also necessary - if you recall that the FSB, by definition, decides on issues of ensuring Russia's security.
                      Quote: clidon
                      In the 90s, technology pulled out of us, and we were ready to sell almost everything to everyone.

                      Moment! "Who are "we?
                      The question is, in whose hands were the materials on ekranoplans: among designers, scientists, in fact, there are much more patriots than you can imagine! Otherwise, Russia now would not have the military shield that we can see today: after all, most of today's latest weapons are basically from the USSR. And if "WE" (without me! soldier ) "they sold technology right and left" - there would be nothing to arm the army today. hi
                      Concerning
                      Quote: clidon
                      more like maintaining interest in a half dead topic
                      I’ll answer you simply: WE WILL LIVE - SEE.
                      1. clidon 23 October 2015 22: 56 New
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                        Well, this, in fact, is also necessary - if you recall that the FSB, by definition, decides on issues of ensuring Russia's security.

                        Well, these are ordinary patrolmen for border guards. The ekranoplanes may have their own niche, but it is not wider than those of the same "pillows" or "wings." Great hopes were pinned on both of them, and both of them remained in a narrow sphere of use.

                        The question is, in whose hands were the materials on ekranoplans: among designers, scientists, in fact, there are much more patriots than you can imagine!

                        They were allowed to “see” the ekranoplans, they were offered on the market without any problems, offered joint ventures, offered joint completion, and now they are offering. But in the end, everything turned out in the Orioles, which sell (or copy) in Iran and China.
                        And the patriots ... Hmm, do you work in the military-industrial complex?

                        I’ll answer you simply: WE WILL LIVE - SEE.

                        Yes, for God's sake ... This is not the first time I have seen this on planes.
                      2. Scraptor 23 November 2015 13: 24 New
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                        Well, yes, as well as vertical lines, aircraft carriers, airships, and generally everything that can well and economically (apart from a helicopter) overcome impassability or quickly and with a large load (unlike aircraft transporters) vast expanses of water, that is, what can provide it’s good for the Russians, and therefore poses a threat to your beloved USA, all the more so because across the Semen Dezhnev Strait, there is a stone's throw ...

                        Western investors and managers are also well invested in the station "MIR" laughing

                        why did they get out from under the carpet?
      2. Pilot 21 October 2015 19: 05 New
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        China became interested in Russian development, but at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development? So we can! And the main thing is to sell the past more expensive, and to the proceeds of the headstock, to develop a new one.
        1. Bayonet 21 October 2015 19: 12 New
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          Quote: Pilot
          , and at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development?

          Not. We buy from them ready. smile
        2. Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 20: 17 New
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          Quote: Pilot
          China became interested in Russian development, but at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development? So we can!

          We always could, and the Chinese have been tying technology with us all their lives. They bought something, stole something, but in the 90 they bought it so much that it would be better to steal ... And not only here ...

          The only thing that reassures is that they have it either because of a lack of metal, or because of the curvature of their hands - and the performance characteristics are always lower than stated and certainly lower than ours, with which it was blown away ...

          And on the other hand - open any computer and try to find something NOT Chinese ... We work ...
        3. Manul 21 October 2015 23: 25 New
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          Quote: Pilot
          China became interested in Russian development, but at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development? So we can!

          For work, I needed a cast-iron tee or tap (I don’t remember anymore), about an inch and a half. In one store I ask - no, but I ordered it, it will come in three weeks. I ask - why so long. - So they are being taken from China. Something like that.
        4. clidon 22 October 2015 15: 46 New
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          Typically, Russian interest in Chinese technology is covered in the news as "a new production has appeared in Russia ...")
      3. Penetrator 21 October 2015 19: 22 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

        For their “hypothetical territorial claims” this apparatus is completely unnecessary - the length of the land border between Russia and China is more than 4 thousand km., Will cost without ekranoplanes, in which case. But for use in a possible conflict with neighbors, regarding the disputed islands of the Spratly archipelago, it will be very out of place, which is probably why they are interested. So these are their graters in the South China Sea, they do not touch us from the word "completely"
        1. Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 20: 23 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          For their “hypothetical territorial claims” this apparatus is completely unnecessary - the length of the land border between Russia and China over 4 thousand km., Will do without ekranoplanes, in which case.

          Somehow I wrote about six months ago. Counted, not too lazy. And became sad.
          Do you know that if the Chinese cross the Russian border at a speed of 100 thousand people per hour, then they will go 570 days !!!!!!!!!!
          1. Zefr 21 October 2015 20: 53 New
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            This is 570 days, continuously, will not be silent machine gun?
        2. ksan 21 October 2015 21: 47 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          For their “hypothetical territorial claims” this apparatus is completely unnecessary - the length of the land border between Russia and China over 4 thousand km., Will do without ekranoplanes, in which case.
          In the "case of what" Russia is one of two countries that can erase in ZERO any country or several countries. And China is not included in this pair. But Chinese money is needed, so a joint mutually beneficial project with the "temporary fellow travelers" - China or India, I think the most. hi
      4. ksan 21 October 2015 21: 27 New
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        And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...
        Does China have territorial claims? It’s like Borya handed out to everyone who asked what, including the Chinese). And with technology, you really need to be careful, the Chinese people are cunning. hi
      5. PSih2097 21 October 2015 21: 27 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

        fucking along the Chinese dams - all of China, along with mudflows, will go to the South China Sea ...
        1. wk
          wk 21 October 2015 22: 37 New
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          Quote: PSih2097
          fucking along the Chinese dams - all of China, along with mudflows, will go to the South China Sea ...

          to hammer on the dam of the Rybinsk reservoir .... and the entire Volga cascade together with the adjacent cities will be washed off to the Caspian .... only or the pest decided to block the Volga with dams .... two units of the nuclear power plant generate more electricity than the Volga cascade .... yes, that there is a nuclear power plant ... 4-5 modern CCGT units will block the power of the entire cascade! about flooded CX territories, cities and towns .... powerful hydroelectric power plants justify themselves like the Sayano-Shushenskaya one, with deep reservoirs small in territory, with a large difference in elevation, in sparsely populated places .... but the danger from them is not small .. ..like the Volga arrived with the Dnieper, but now it’s not our problem anymore .... we urgently need to adopt a program for the phased elimination of the Volga cascade .... the only system that can’t be eliminated is the Volga-Moscow canal .... survived to the extent that from for a cascade of dams and reservoirs the Volga is shallow before our eyes, ceases to be navigable .... I will not say anything about fish and ecology.
          1. avia1991 21 October 2015 23: 19 New
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            Quote: wk
            I will not say anything about fish and ecology.

            In Yaroslavl, in the 19th century, sturgeons and beluga were caught. I saw a photo: Beluga was sold, weighing 72 pounds (1152 kilograms) !!
            With the advent of the Rybinsk Vdhr, the fish disappeared .. someone, interestingly, tried to calculate the real losses from the existence of the same Rybinsk hydroelectric station? Starting with flooding of agricultural land, resettlement of (forced) people, and climate change in the region?
          2. 79807420129 21 October 2015 23: 23 New
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            It’s better to beat yourself on the head, unfortunately Comrade Stalin died on March 5, 1953 and didn’t ask you to build or not to build a cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the Volga, and it seems that your phased elimination of the brain has already begun, but it’s better to sell it, as some comrade suggested, you will be happy here and now.
            1. wk
              wk 22 October 2015 00: 06 New
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              Quote: 79807420129
              Stalin died on March 5, 1953

              A large part of the cascade was built in the 50s-60s-70s after the death of Stalin .... during the life of Stalin there was neither the possibility of building powerful nuclear power plants or modern technologies with sufficient efficiency in the power system .. and hydrocarbon production (especially gas was In its infancy, Moscow was gasified only after the war, kerosene replaced gas in kitchens, coal in boiler rooms ... and small power plants) ... (it was a necessary measure) .... technologies that appeared later including High power NPPs, CCGTs have already left unclaimed the construction of hydroelectric power plants in the lowlands .... but hydropower continued to lobby for its crazy projects .... sooner or later, but this issue needs to be returned ... the sooner the better.

              "it’s better to beat yourself on the head" .... I do not propose to solve the problem of eliminating the cascade in this way, but only warn about the danger in the event of an armed conflict (including terrorist attack)

              1. Scraptor 22 October 2015 05: 45 New
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                They simply_ produced_Russian_ peasantry ... the energetic effect of them even then was minimal. It is also quite possible to do without nuclear power plants, Holland and Denmark live like that ... Germans are closing them on the sly.
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            3. avia1991 22 October 2015 02: 13 New
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              Quote: 79807420129
              It’s better to beat yourself on the head
              Your rudeness, gracious, directly corresponds to your name specified during registration. What is human something missing?
              If there are specific arguments - lay out, no - what is the point of insulting a person? Undeservedly, by the way. You still do not know what forced eviction from places of alleged flooding is? Basically, by the way, there were no compensations: as you want - so get out! You can’t take the house away - your problems, there’s nothing to take away — throw it away! .. Nobody tried to delve into the problems of the people who lived in those places all their lives.
              As for the efficiency of hydropower plants - in the eastern regions of the Central Federal District a significant part of the electricity is generated at thermal power plants, including peaty. It is impossible to say that the cascade of hydroelectric power plants is completely useless - but you still have to buy electricity.
              At the same time, I repeat: environmental damage is increasing. And measures to take NOT FOR WHAT. As always..
              1. 79807420129 22 October 2015 07: 25 New
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                Dear Sergey, of course I apologize if I offended you with something, but my comment was addressed not to you at all, but to comrade wk, I certainly don’t know how the resettlement happened, but my great-grandfather was evicted from Mologa, he knows that the hydropower station is working now, but mainly the energy we take from the Kalinin NPP. Aryba do not worry about the sea, there are no sturgeons and belugas, of course, but pike perch, bream bream, not to mention a trifle, are well caught, the climate is with us, here you are right, of course, too humid.
                1. avia1991 23 October 2015 02: 03 New
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                  Dear Glassworker!
                  The inability to contact the opponent by name causes a "normal irritation" in a normal person - especially if you do not hide the name itself hi This is so, by the way.
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  I apologize if I offended you with something, but my comment was not addressed to you at all,
                  You did not offend me in any way; this is true, as well as the fact that you answered not to me. But here is not a dispute between two opponents, but a forum, and in response to sheer rudeness, I considered it possible to intervene. If we ourselves cannot adequately communicate, nobody will do it FOR US.
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  my great-grandfather was evicted from Mologi, he knows
                  May God grant health to your great-grandfather! Moreover, your reaction to Vitaly’s proposal (wk) is not entirely clear - after all, the damage caused by the construction of this hydroelectric power station cascade was real! I don't think that offer to "fuck" should be taken literally smile
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  do not worry about eating fish in the sea, of course there are no sturgeons and belugas, but pike perch, bream bream, not to mention a trifle, are well caught,
                  I know that a fish is found in the Rybinsk reservoir. Only its quantity and quality cannot be compared with what the Volga gave in pre-revolutionary times: it was real fishing, on an industrial, one might say, scale!
                  And now - so .. that's exactly what "sit with a fishing rod."
          3. Aljavad 22 October 2015 04: 35 New
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            survived to the fact that because of the cascade of dams and reservoirs, the Volga becomes shallow before our eyes, ceases to be navigable .... I will not say anything about fish and ecology.


            "Tsimlyansk Sea" - the same garbage ... sad fool crying

            Sorry for the river!

            King of nature, poke him in the swing! am
      6. 341712 22 October 2015 08: 29 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        Vladimirich Yesterday, 18: 34 ↑
        Lelikas or so.
        IMHO strategic technologies generally can not be sold. And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

        Exactly ... Well, if hopelessly, then some sort of switch to hide .... that would be through the satellite CLICK))))))))
    2. Snake AAA 21 October 2015 19: 40 New
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      Behind. All you need to pay !!! And taking the money we can then pay a higher price !!! God forbid the lives of our soldiers !!! In any case, it is necessary to approach cooperation carefully !!!
    3. ssergn 21 October 2015 20: 22 New
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      Actually, it’s no secret to anyone that not least thanks to export orders, Russia received a plane like Su 30СМ for its Air Force.
    4. Mister22408 22 October 2015 01: 33 New
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      Leaning - let’s sell what wasn’t stolen before you. Pensioners care about money (their pension does not care - it was not they who created bully ), and where is our mighty, always, etc. Complex? How many state bonds were poured again this month? Xerox for people like you cannot do it - you still need to know how to enable it ... And you have the “LISTEN” command ...
  2. avt
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    Quote: Vladimir
    Well here again ..

    They haven’t done anything yet, and they are already ready to steal.
  3. marlin1203 21 October 2015 19: 57 New
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    The Chinese need it. They are still with the Japanese bickering over the disputed islands. But the money will not hurt us, on which you can build such ekranoplanes for yourself.
    1. Basarev 21 October 2015 20: 46 New
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      But the money will not hurt us, on which you can build such ekranoplanes for yourself.

      Current, the Chinese have time to fill the market with their cheap copies, and our designers habitually nap their paw. It would be better to give the Chinese a turn from the gates, and not the one to stop creeping under China ... But our dear government has a thin gut.
      1. Asadullah 21 October 2015 21: 33 New
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        The Chinese will have time to fill the market with their cheap copies,


        That is, in Russia they can not only make cheap copies, but even make their own, in sufficient quantities? Strange, but there are so many experts on the resource who are cursing the damned liberals with their minds with cancer! Chezh not help !? Ahh, I realized that a corrupt government is bothering you !!! That is, for the successful production of ekranoplanes, it is necessary to overthrow the government!

        From one topic to another, this piggy squeal about the government, astronautics, education, military affairs, and any posted topic is being hammered with your sobs about the dangers of the government for Russia. What do you propose, the swamp movement, the Maidan of Russian patriots, the revolution of the offended consciousness or the march of condoms to the Kremlin? As a person standing sideways in action, I warn you, I will press, like bugs. Experience above the roof.
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          Quote: Asadullah
          As a person standing sideways in action, I warn you, I will press, like bugs. Experience above the roof.

          Do not promise, dear. When the mass of bugs reaches critical, they will pile in bulk, in spite of all your “superior” experience. And then at least sideways, even with cancer, stand in action - they will crush, devour, and not choke. And to prevent this from happening, real reforms in the economy and the responsibility of the elites to the people are needed. And the impression is that our government liberal economists are setting up a survival experiment on the population: "Raise housing and communal services tariffs! Suffer? Then raise the retirement age to 63 children! Have you suffered again? Nothing, we still have a lot of ideas to make their life seem like honey "
  4. GSH-18 21 October 2015 20: 47 New
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    Sorry for the news, the states today tested their MINTMEN 3 missiles, which is not a new word, but nonetheless the flying jamming reveals the introduction of new electronic components into the rocket .. Enemies are getting ready. We are following.
    1. clidon 21 October 2015 20: 53 New
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      So it’s already in a row, like the modernization of these units.
  5. Mihalich17 22 October 2015 07: 56 New
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    Strongly agree with you !!!
    CATEGORICALLY!!!
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    That's right, let Britain, with which they concluded contracts for 60 lard greens, be asked for technology. China is a bowing, ingratiatingly smiling stone neighbor
    bosom.
  7. fairmen 22 October 2015 20: 47 New
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    Yes, for myself it was necessary to do in the 60s, then the Americans would have fought at night in horror
  • svp67 21 October 2015 18: 30 New
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    Media: Beijing is interested in Russian development of a promising WIG
    I think ... China has so many disputed island territories that they really need such a machine.
  • meriem1 21 October 2015 18: 31 New
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    Still, would not be interested !!! The United States was terrified of Soviet developments. A vehicle carrying tons of weapons was moving above the water (outside the radar) at a speed of 500 km / h. Well, let them think ... if they did not have "CALIBER".
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      They almost died when they saw what it really represents. Hulking airplanes with low altitude and speed, or light-lifting ships, on which even self-defense systems have nowhere to put. Which it is unclear how to drive in coastal waters, how to save from birds, who will protect them on the route .. It's something in between, neither here nor there.
      However, so much has already been said and discussed about this, but still everyone believes in miracles "after 2000", no after 2010 ... "no" after 2020 ... "year.
      1. Aljavad 22 October 2015 04: 47 New
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        Hulking airplanes with low altitude and speed, or light-lifting ships, on which even self-defense systems have nowhere to put.


        "Pterodactyl - what is it? - An ordinary crocodile with wings!"

        A quote from the Strugatsky from memory. When the flying dinosaur heard such a thing to himself, he was frightened by resentment (sorry). "The Tale of the Three." How poorly educated, short-sighted, but with a round seal, citizens decided the fate of the unique and relics.
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          You won’t explain anything to him ...
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          Well, of course you can continue to believe in super-wunderwaffles, in order to be surprised then, why these ships do not take these miracles into service.
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            Are you talking about the F-35?

            so
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            Hulking planes

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            miracle ships?

            laughing

            They were in the Caspian only one model 5pcs in service.
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        At our air traffic control center, for half a year, with the help of an observer, the supervisor learned to determine the notch from the e-plan on the radar (knowing the flight courses and waiting for its appearance). Due to the high angular velocities and water suspension (especially the flight of an ekranoplan), it beats on the radar like a hindrance!
  • SAM 5 21 October 2015 18: 31 New
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    became aware of the decision made in the Russian government to resume the production of ekranoplanes

    Although they began to make the right decisions.
  • Alexander 3 21 October 2015 18: 33 New
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    Our innovations and our technologies interest everyone. If only we ourselves used our technologies, and then did not buy them from behind a hill or behind a puddle.
  • Wedmak 21 October 2015 18: 36 New
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    They haven’t done so yet, but are already acquiring it. Or, as usual, they only need one instance and a documentation package?
    1. Nikolay K 21 October 2015 18: 40 New
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      Naturally, China does not buy differently. But why do we need it
    2. SAM 5 21 October 2015 19: 03 New
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      Or, as usual, they need only one copy and a documentation package?

      Even the documentation package is not needed, they will cross it by eye.
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        And blind on a 3d printer ....
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        Or, as usual, they need only one copy and a documentation package?

        Even the documentation package is not needed, they will cross it by eye.
  • Armored optimist 21 October 2015 18: 37 New
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    Beautiful car.
    1. Izotovp 21 October 2015 19: 47 New
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      Of particular interest is the biplane solution, which, in my opinion, has been undeservedly forgotten in subsonic and naval aviation.
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        I wonder if a supporting hull is possible in an ekranoplane. To be without wings at all. There was, and quite marvelously, Martin Marietta X-24A flew, and yet it was almost half a century ago.
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          To be without wings at all.

          Will you install engines with propellers on the bow or aft? Again, the stability of the aircraft (damn woo?) Is less, remember the tightrope walkers!
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            It is better, of course, to put propellers on the nose. Intensive blowing of aerodynamic surfaces will give a serious increase in lift. And stability ... The screen effect seems to be different, which radically increases the stability of any vessel.
  • roskot 21 October 2015 18: 48 New
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    The car looks cool. A beautiful car and it will fly beautifully. But from the beginning it’s necessary to build for yourself.
  • Mr shrek 21 October 2015 18: 49 New
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    It’s good that the ekranoplanes are reborn.
    1. clidon 21 October 2015 20: 40 New
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      There is always a lot of talk, but as far as real production is concerned, "for some reason they are not for sale."
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        Because it’s good to fly to Amerika and land there ... what will the UN do without grated jeans, apples and lard? No quarantine or visas at all.
  • YGV-97219 21 October 2015 18: 49 New
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    Here is the grip of the Chinese, they are still developing it and they already want to buy it!
  • iliitchitch 21 October 2015 18: 52 New
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    Well, here again ... These hugs are straining with China. Especially with regard to technology. For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like.

    Not quite so - you need to take money now, for development and design, otherwise then, they will buy one thing and turn on the copier.


    Xerox was invented in China, they propagated themselves. They will copy the figures - no, they won’t fly, as Ilyushin used to say. SCHOOL is needed here. MAI, Baumanka, MEPhI, MIPT, and Siberia and the Far East! Continue to continue? Until we lag behind. Take the Chinese AK-74. No, better not take ...
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      About two weeks ago, there were exercises near St. Petersburg with specialists, so the people there said that our modern AKs also do not shine with quality and who are lucky, they use Soviet manufacture.
  • veksha50 21 October 2015 18: 54 New
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    "Beijing is interested Russian development of perspective ekranoplan "...

    It’s easier now to say what China is NOT interested in ... They catch and grab on the fly, she didn’t have time to fart for forty, and the Chinese have already plucked her tail ...
  • Mercury 21 October 2015 19: 07 New
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    Friends like the Chinese who follow the tactics of a monkey on a tree that watches a tiger fight and then comes down and does what the monkey constantly likes to do with a loser tiger. So, such friends need to sell equipment with a self-destruction button so that in case of something, turn on the button and the Chinese are left with axes and forks again
  • TIO1969 21 October 2015 19: 08 New
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    Yes, China takes advantage of the political situation in the world. It seems to us that it’s not convenient for them to refuse a “partnership” But we must try, nevertheless, with minimal losses. JV to create, in the contract to secure the rights and division of sales markets. Maybe try the option of BRAMOS with India. Joint development and so on.
  • Ivan Ivanovich 21 October 2015 19: 08 New
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    Myself must not forget to build ...
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      And do not offend yourself! We have to good will be! wink
  • Urri 21 October 2015 19: 15 New
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    Quote: iliitch
    Xerox was invented in China, they propagated themselves. They will copy the figures - no, they won’t fly, as Ilyushin used to say. SCHOOL is needed here. MAI, Baumanka, MEPhI, MIPT, and Siberia and the Far East! Continue to continue?


    Late to inflate with arrogance. As recently as yesterday, personally to me, the crane operator of the 160-ton Liebher from Minsk was crying that the 2 new 150-ton Zumliong, which appeared in Minsk in August, instantly took over all the orders. They lift at the same reach not 12, but 18 tons, for example. The time has passed when the Germans set the standards in crane construction. The Chinese have raped the whole world in this area in less than 10 years. And this is just the beginning. What is Russian, that Belarusian engineering is rapidly losing competitiveness in a high-tech and high-tech product, and we are all "proud of the social system." Wake up gentlemen! It's about time. Although, in some areas, it is already too late.
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      Arrogance? What arrogance? Well, the Chinese will come to us in the Far East, and so what? All enslaved and killed? Divorced here on the Internet, to put it mildly, who think for others.
  • Bashibuzuk 21 October 2015 19: 17 New
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    China, Tuamotu, Fiji Islands ... let them be interested in how much will fit.
    To promise is not to marry.
    Forgot in the technological map to indicate what kind of manganese dioxide .... and sorry, goodbye the flight of the Petrel.
    Here, do not forget to fasten ... those interested ... to your needs. Yes more thoroughly.
    .
    In general, from the article, it blows with such youthful inspiration - hooray, wow, again the military "Caspian" or some other Monsters will begin to build. And even equip shock weapons?
    And what for?
    The Gauges calibrated themselves in such a way that everyone would only have to catch up with us. By 2020
    And our Lefthanders, by then, will come up with some kind of “Reamers” or “Templates” there. Which are torn.
    "Honing heads" .... but cho, everyone is being honored.
    And where does the ekranoplan?
    No, much more interesting if he remains civilian, passenger.
    Estimate, from Leningrad to Kaliningrad, two hours and tama. Along the Strand of the Baltic. Beauty.
    And let the sprats strangle themselves.
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    And even from Astrakhan - the same three hours - and a company of special forces is already hosted in the Persian Gulf.
    And not a single radar saw them.
    Story!!!
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      And not a single radar saw them.
      Story!!!

      Fishing boats-sees, ekranoplan-no ??? Is it underwater or hyperlight?
  • Bthuk 21 October 2015 19: 20 New
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    after 2020 year

    All clear...
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      After 2020 - it means never.
  • Xsanchez 21 October 2015 19: 23 New
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    What pace the Chinese have gained, they are not far behind, so you can’t immediately sell new technologies. Let them torment for about 5 years, copying whatever they get. And when they mature, agree on the sale of 40 pieces. Most importantly, Ukraine will not sell them anything cheaply, because do not have such technologies.
    And what opportunities open up: equip with calibers, and teach the calibers to work on ships (put a radar, etc.). Then, in general, enemy ships can not go to sea, catch and drown.
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    Just do not think for our services that they are such naive freaks what "blades"
  • xtur 21 October 2015 19: 41 New
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    > take-off weight of 54 tons, designed to carry 9 tons of cargo at a range of up to 5 thousand km

    the Chinese, they are stupid, do not know that EP is a solid dough drank, and loses the plane in all respects. Perhaps that is why they are negotiating the purchase
    ;-)
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      take-off weight of 54 tons, designed to transport 9 tons of cargo at a range of up to 5 thousand km

      Well, make yourself an airship and carry 10 tons of cargo around the ball at least 10 times, until you have enough patience ...
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        By the way, helicopters are also great in terms of speed compared to airplanes, and TU-95 is not TU-160.
        In the furnace of all?
      2. xtur 22 October 2015 09: 49 New
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        > Well, make yourself an airship and carry 10 tons of cargo around the ball at least 10 times, until you have enough patience ...

        I repeat for those who did not understand the first time - it’s not me who is negotiating the purchase of electronic devices with the indicated characteristics, and the Chinese. All questions and suggestions to them.

        And I just drew the attention of the forum that, despite the fact that the ES on the forum is considered to be sloppy technology, it has a specific buyer - China. And since I got a few minuses for it, it means that I stepped on a sore spot for several people, and even how many can be calculated :-)
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          Americans on EP also bought everything for their "pelican" and put it under the cloth
      3. Scraptor 23 November 2015 12: 38 New
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        satellites do not fly too much, only more expensive and the "target area" slip quickly
        as well as with quick, cheap and safe crew replacement for them problems
  • novobranets 21 October 2015 19: 46 New
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    Representatives of China are negotiating with the Central Design Bureau on hydrofoil ships to them. Alekseeva on the acquisition for the PLA developed ekranoplanes A-050
    As always, one thing, to see how it works? Buy a patent, and spank on health. Accustomed to a freebie advanced technology lick. Replace the screwdriver bolt with a turnkey bolt, and regret shave, new design. They will give the technique a name that is inconvenient for women to pronounce, and they will rivet and wait for new Russian developments. Is it time to change this state of affairs?
  • iliitchitch 21 October 2015 19: 47 New
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    Friends like the Chinese who follow the tactics of a monkey on a tree that watches a tiger fight and then comes down and does what the monkey constantly likes to do with a loser tiger. So, such friends need to sell equipment with a self-destruction button so that in case of something, turn on the button and the Chinese are left with axes and forks again


    What are we selling? Mighty planes, so that they would bomb us? Oh well, I don’t believe it.
  • propolsky 21 October 2015 19: 50 New
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    A very tempting thing for China! Only Taiwan to return under its roof will require such cars in large numbers. And if you look further east of China, then the work is endless. You need to think. It is a pity to sell technologies that they themselves have not yet mastered.
  • tchoni 21 October 2015 20: 03 New
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    well, as they say in the "independent" "viter in sratsu" the Chinese. Perhaps at their expense it will turn out to work out the technology and slightly increase its production.
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    “A-050 ekranoplane operations with a take-off mass of about 50 tons are carried out within the framework of the enterprise’s development budget,” G. Antsev said.

    "Lun", about 500t., Had 8 engines, 6 "Mosquitoes" ... And this one, with two screws ... well, to drive away for fishing ...
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      The “Orlyonok” has 159 tons and 2 NK-8 and one NK-12, and it drove up to 200 paratroopers or a couple of armored personnel carriers very well for fishing!
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      With a launch range of 120 km, they were based on the Navy where the aircraft carrier will never come. Seaworthiness at the level of 3-4 points, range 2000 km. And is this an "anti-aircraft" weapon?
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        Was it impossible to relocate it? The same flying boat with only a small ceiling.
  • manguest 21 October 2015 20: 54 New
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    For the Chinese, this is a very low-cost option of fighting ships in general, and with whose AUGs in particular the vast expanses of the Pacific Ocean are known. Other uses for such devices are also possible.
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    I repeat here is what the ekranolety need
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      aaaaa laughing kapets ............ who said that the us army is fighting? here is the real proof of that .....
  • kill the fascist 21 October 2015 22: 25 New
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    China to sell a batch of at least 5 products and money in advance :)
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    Yes, so far there is no one to be friends openly with, no country has said that the whole west will fall asleep in a clash with Russia, they will take care of everything, sell as usual something average, they will copy in the same way.
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    British Prime Minister David Cameron said during a visit to President Xi Jinping that they would sign agreements on deals worth 40 billion pounds ($ 62 billion).
    21 October

    Xin Jinping can buy an ekranoplane from Cameron.

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    Xin Jinping can buy an ekranoplane from Cameron.


    Spicy. Overseas :-))
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  • lukke 21 October 2015 23: 20 New
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    at A-050 the muzzle resembles a shark
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    By profession, I have no relation to aviation; in my childhood I was engaged in aircraft modeling. If you put an additional small wing in the bow, will it be able to reach the angle of attack earlier? Or a type of ski that retracts into the hull after separation from the water? What do the pros say? hi
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      Why small?
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        To reach faster at the required angle of attack of a small wing or a ski retracted into the hull will be enough. When the car is moving, open the window and stick out your hand, what will you feel?
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          medium size is better - the effect is greater

          with a small ski close to the nose there will be problems with her stance and with the "mustache" in the water that she gives to the low main wing, there is no need for an angle of attack at all, but pressure and blowing to create a dynamic air cushion.
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      The "Eaglet" had a planing hull with redans and a controlled ski.
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    Quote: Zoldat_A
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    For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial facilities for the production of finished products. To sell the idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.

    Grab your five cents - and with them to where it is warm .... Only earlier we laughed at “I’ll sew a suit with the ebb, I’ll buy a Volga car - and to Yalta!”, And now it’s our Russian business - to grab as much as possible and tear away. And most importantly - for some reason no one laughs at them, on the contrary - they envy ... negative


    Who is jealous? DEVOTERS never respected. Appeared here in the 90s, so what? The ADIDAS suit was bought by a spare person, and in Rio de Janeiro in white pants, figuratively speaking? Not serious somehow. We live here. And the technology is on the level with us. Ek bourgeois scream - it means that the caravan is going right.
  • ermolai 22 October 2015 03: 47 New
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    1. replace shitty liberal government (economic bloc). 2. limit the export of capital from the country, according to various sources, it is 100-150 yards every year, as many countries did during their crises. 3. stir up a joint project with the Han,

    the recipe is probably one, three in one, but the government should not be changed, but planted exponentially, for ineffective management, with confiscation of property, and compensation for damage, return s / n. for the withdrawal of capital to mines 15 years.
  • Zomanus 22 October 2015 03: 49 New
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    China needs such machines more than we do.
    And it makes sense to take their money to project freely,
    plus use Chinese facilities for the construction of prototypes.
    The technologies worked out, then it’s already possible to build with us a secret filling,
    for specific purposes.
    Nobody shouts about the brahmos, although there is also a military one.
    And what about the war with China, do you seriously believe in it?
    1. V.ic 22 October 2015 06: 05 New
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      And what about the war with China, do you seriously believe in it?

      Are you seriously expelling her? In the city of Dalnerechensk, Primorsky Territory, in a park in the city center, border guards from Damansky are buried.
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        And throughout Russia, the monuments to those killed in the Second World War and what? Is it because of this not to be friends with the Germans? Times change.
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    fucking along the Chinese dams - all of China, along with mudflows, will go to the South China Sea ...

    to hammer on the dam of the Rybinsk reservoir .... and the entire Volga cascade together with the adjacent cities will be washed off to the Caspian .... only or the pest decided to block the Volga with dams .... two units of the nuclear power plant generate more electricity than the Volga cascade .... yes, that there is a nuclear power plant ... 4 -5 of modern CCGT units will block the power of the entire cascade! about flooded CX territories, cities and towns .... powerful hydroelectric power plants justify themselves like Sayano-Shushenskaya, ... I will not say anything about fish and ecology.

    And if you fuck at the nuclear power plant, it will become easier ?? I'd rather have a swim laughing