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Media: Beijing is interested in Russian development of a promising WIG

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The representatives of China are negotiating with the Central Clinical Hospital on hydrofoil them. Alekseeva on the acquisition for the PLA of developed A-050 ekranoplans, reports Look with reference to Defense World.




In late September, the newspaper reported on the completion of the design of a promising sea-winged wig.

According to the publication, "A-050 ground effect vehicle will have a take-off weight of 54 tons, and is designed to carry 9 tons of cargo or 100 passengers to a distance of up to 5 thousand km with a cruising speed of 350 – 450 kilometers per hour." Supposedly, on the ekranoplan “the P-195 starting engines will be installed, as on the Su-25 attack aircraft, and the TV7-117СМ marching engines, as on the Il-114 aircraft.”

The newspaper reminds that at the end of July it became known about the decision taken in the Russian government to resume the production of ekranoplans "as attack missile systems with cruise missiles after 2020 of the year."
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  1. Vladimyrych
    Vladimyrych 21 October 2015 18: 30 New
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    Well, again ... These hugs are straining with China. Especially with regard to technology. For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like with finished products.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 21 October 2015 18: 31 New
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      Quote: Vladimir
      Well, here again ... These hugs are straining with China. Especially with regard to technology. For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like.

      Not quite so - you need to take money now, for development and design, otherwise then, they will buy one thing and turn on the copier.
      1. Vladimyrych
        Vladimyrych 21 October 2015 18: 34 New
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        lelikas or so.
        IMHO strategic technologies generally can not be sold. And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...
        1. Haettenschweiler
          Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 18: 40 New
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          Quote: Vladimir
          For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like with finished products.


          - For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial capacities for the production of finished products. To sell an idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.
          1. 79807420129
            79807420129 21 October 2015 19: 42 New
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            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            Quote: Vladimir
            For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like with finished products.


            - For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial capacities for the production of finished products. To sell an idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.

            Here and now, they have sold a lot of things and some, including some, want to. But with the loot here and now. The Chinese need only one apparatus and documentation, they will do the rest themselves and they will let us in here and now.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 20: 10 New
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            Quote: Haettenschweiler
            For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial facilities for the production of finished products. To sell the idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.

            Grab your five cents - and with them to where it is warm .... Только раньше мы смеялись над "пошью костюм с отливом, автомобиль "Волгу" куплю - и в Ялту!", а теперь это у нас русский бизнес такой - хапнуть сколько получится и рвать подальше. А главное - чего-то никто над ними не смеётся, наоборот - завидуют... negative
            1. Haettenschweiler
              Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 20: 27 New
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              Quote: 79807420129
              Here and now a lot of things have been sold and Russia, including some, is wanted by some. But with the loot here and now.


              Quote: Zoldat_A
              and now we have a Russian business like this - to grab as much as possible and tear away.


              - Такие вот дела. Поэтому и "СуперДжет" - собранный русскими руками из нерусских деталек. В итоге - полная зависимость от технологии и поставок наших драгоценных "западных партнёров". Хочется верить в лучшую судьбу для этого экраноплана (хоть я и не очень понимаю, какую такую роль он будет играть на ТВД), но я вполне допускаю, что он действительно очень быстро будет производиться в Китае и, в лучшем случае, продаваться в Россию.
        2. K-50
          K-50 21 October 2015 18: 43 New
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          Quote: Vladimir
          lelikas or so.
          IMHO strategic technologies generally can not be sold. And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

          Not certainly in that way. The technology is certainly advanced, but the states already have some groundwork on this topic and the Han people can quite agree on it and then our design bureau will be left without money to develop and debug production, and Russia without really needed ekranoplanes. The situation with both the T-90 and India. hi
          1. Zamachus
            Zamachus 21 October 2015 19: 01 New
            +3
            it has been worked out for a long time, but it didn’t need to be laid under the cloth now it took a little work on it in a modern way and forward to production
          2. ksan
            ksan 21 October 2015 21: 39 New
            +8
            then our design bureau will be left without money for the development and debugging of production, and Russia without the really necessary ekranoplanes. The situation with both the T-90 and India.
            There is a recipe, even three wink : 1. replace shitty liberal government (economic bloc). 2. limit the export of capital from the country, according to various sources, it is 100-150 yards every year, as many countries did during their crises. 3. to stir up a joint project with the Han, by analogy with BRAMOS and India. hi
          3. proletarian
            proletarian 22 October 2015 00: 34 New
            +1
            Да технология передовая,но вспомните "Луни",Пино-сы не дошли даже до этого;а что будет если восстановить технологию "Луней" не современной элементной базе да с новыми силовыми установками?
        3. Eugene-Eugene
          Eugene-Eugene 21 October 2015 18: 44 New
          +3
          In politics, little depends on desires and preferences. They gently supported the Russian Federation at the diplomatic level in the Ukrainian crisis and agreed to a pipe in the heavenly heavens — SU-35 and C-400 will go to them in response.
          1. clidon
            clidon 21 October 2015 20: 35 New
            +2
            They didn’t just support lightly - after we had an argument with the West, China is a country on which we depend with arms and legs. Money is occupied there, technology and equipment (tyrennoe Chinese from the same west) also from there. Therefore, you have to pay.
            However, the ekranoplans are not a pity, I think that in our country this project will die down.
            1. Eugene-Eugene
              Eugene-Eugene 21 October 2015 22: 49 New
              +2
              I think we have this project too.

              And in connection with what you think so?
              1. Manul
                Manul 21 October 2015 23: 20 New
                +2
                Quote: Eugene-Eugene
                And in connection with what you think so?

                А есть новый Алексеев? А его соратники, которые не "бомбили" его кабинет после кончины есть в живых и на производстве? А новый корабль на воздушных крыльях хотя бы построили?Я не ерничаю, мне правда хотелось бы как и всем, чтобы экранопланы снова воспарили над водной гладью Каспия и не только. Только после заявлений, что у нас будет 50 Ту-160, любое заявление рассматриваю через призму скептики. У нас гораздо меньшие самолеты на коленке собирают меньшим количеством. Хотелось бы верить, что такие заявления - не желание попиариться за счет народного восхищения этой техникой.
            2. avia1991
              avia1991 21 October 2015 23: 10 New
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              Quote: clidon
              ekranoplans are not a pity, I believe that this project will die down in our country too.

              And absolutely unreasonably consider.
              At one time, these developments were hacked because of covert games, including, as well as with a change in the party course. But history is known to spiral wink
              Так же, было дело, в начале 60-х решили, что "Нафиг нам дальняя авиация?! У нас ракеты есть!" И "под нож" разработки "стратегов", сокращения в армии и пр. А спустя несколько лет спохватились: "Е-мое! К очередному съезду (Пленуму ЦК, заседанию Верховного Совета) чтоб был новый "стратег"! КАК ХОТИТЕ УПИРАЙТЕСЬ - НО ВЫНЬ И ПОЛОЖ!"
              Хорошо, хоть сейчас таких гонок не устраивают.. хотя - Рогозин вон с "Восточным" попытался:"Усё зробымо, г-н Президент, в ентом годе еще!" Хотя там работы осталось... не как до Луны, конечно - но зато наиболее ответственной! И гонка здесь ну никак не к месту!
              1. clidon
                clidon 22 October 2015 15: 43 New
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                That is, 25 years of lack of interest in this topic come from undercover games?
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 23 October 2015 02: 14 New
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                  Quote: clidon
                  25 years of lack of interest in this topic

                  Алекс, я сказал, что тема заглохла, благодаря, в т.ч., подковерным игрищам. А "отсутствие интереса" - это вообще неверная оценка: государству было бы ИНТЕРЕСНО заняться многими вещами, но ПРИХОДИТСЯ заниматься, в основном, тем, на что денег хватает, и что является жизненно необходимым.
                  Ekranoplanes - yes, we lived without them, and we can do further. But if the possibility of developing them appeared, it means that interest in this topic did not fade away, MEANS, which became possible to allocate for this work, simply appeared!
                  Moreover, the customer is MO - one of a narrow circle of structures that have begun to learn to spend money Rationally.
                  А тема сама по себе весьма интересная - особенно с учетом развития технологий, металловедения, двигателестроения. С учетом этого, машину можно построить в разы лучшую, чем, например, "Орленок". hi
                  1. strannik1985
                    strannik1985 23 October 2015 06: 07 New
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                    Information in the media about the development / order / transfer of technology occurs with a frequency of 2-3 weeks. To be honest, it seems more like a throw-in.
                    It’s not interest (I don’t know the reliable data on the order for EP from MO), but there is a Central Design Bureau with a great reserve on this topic, everyone wants to eat.
                  2. clidon
                    clidon 23 October 2015 16: 43 New
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                    The topic would not have died out thanks to investor interest. In the 90s, technology pulled out of us, and we were ready to sell almost everything to everyone. However, the topic of ekranoplanes did not interest anyone.
                    And now it’s more and more like maintaining interest in the half-dead topic, where Russian businessmen are trying to work. There are a lot of declared plans, promises, and at the output there is at most something extremely small for some FSB officers in the tundra.
                    1. avia1991
                      avia1991 23 October 2015 21: 26 New
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                      Quote: clidon
                      the output is a maximum of something extremely small for some FSB officers in the tundra.

                      Well, this, in fact, is also necessary - if you recall that the FSB, by definition, decides on issues of ensuring Russia's security.
                      Quote: clidon
                      In the 90s, technology pulled out of us, and we were ready to sell almost everything to everyone.

                      Момент! "МЫ" - это КТО?
                      Вопрос, в чьих руках находились материалы по экранопланам: в среде конструкторов, ученых на самом деле гораздо больше патриотов, чем Вы можете себе представить! В противном случае, у России сейчас не было бы того военного щита, который мы сегодня можем видеть: ведь бОльшая часть сегодняшних новейших вооружений, в основе своей, родом из СССР. И если бы "МЫ" (без меня! soldier ) "продавали технологии направо и налево" - нечем бы было сегодня армию вооружать. hi
                      Concerning
                      Quote: clidon
                      more like maintaining interest in a half dead topic
                      I’ll answer you simply: WE WILL LIVE - SEE.
                      1. clidon
                        clidon 23 October 2015 22: 56 New
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                        Well, this, in fact, is also necessary - if you recall that the FSB, by definition, decides on issues of ensuring Russia's security.

                        Ну так это обычные патрульники для погранцов. Может у экранопланов и есть своя ниша, но она не шире чем у тех же "подушек" или "крыльев". И на те и на другие изначально возлагались огромные надежды и те и другие остались в узкой сфере использования.

                        The question is, in whose hands were the materials on ekranoplans: among designers, scientists, in fact, there are much more patriots than you can imagine!

                        К экранопланам пускали "посмотреть", их без проблем предлагали на рынке, предлагали совместные предприятия, предлагали совместную достройку и сейчас предлагают. А в итоге всё вышло в "Иволги", которые продают (или копируют) в Иране и Китае.
                        And the patriots ... Hmm, do you work in the military-industrial complex?

                        I’ll answer you simply: WE WILL LIVE - SEE.

                        Yes, for God's sake ... This is not the first time I have seen this on planes.
                      2. Scraptor
                        Scraptor 23 November 2015 13: 24 New
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                        Well, yes, as well as vertical lines, aircraft carriers, airships, and generally everything that can well and economically (apart from a helicopter) overcome impassability or quickly and with a large load (unlike aircraft transporters) vast expanses of water, that is, what can provide it’s good for the Russians, and therefore poses a threat to your beloved USA, all the more so because across the Semen Dezhnev Strait, there is a stone's throw ...

                        Западные инвесторы и менеджеры тоже хорошо в станцию "МИР" вложились laughing

                        why did they get out from under the carpet?
      2. Pilot
        Pilot 21 October 2015 19: 05 New
        +7
        China became interested in Russian development, but at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development? So we can! And the main thing is to sell the past more expensive, and to the proceeds of the headstock, to develop a new one.
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 21 October 2015 19: 12 New
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          Quote: Pilot
          , and at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development?

          Not. We buy from them ready. smile
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 20: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Pilot
          China became interested in Russian development, but at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development? So we can!

          We always could, and the Chinese have been tying technology with us all their lives. They bought something, stole something, but in the 90 they bought it so much that it would be better to steal ... And not only here ...

          The only thing that reassures is that they have it either because of a lack of metal, or because of the curvature of their hands - and the performance characteristics are always lower than stated and certainly lower than ours, with which it was blown away ...

          And on the other hand - open any computer and try to find something NOT Chinese ... We work ...
        3. Manul
          Manul 21 October 2015 23: 25 New
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          Quote: Pilot
          China became interested in Russian development, but at least once, read? that the Russian Federation is interested in Chinese development? So we can!

          For work, I needed a cast-iron tee or tap (I don’t remember anymore), about an inch and a half. In one store I ask - no, but I ordered it, it will come in three weeks. I ask - why so long. - So they are being taken from China. Something like that.
        4. clidon
          clidon 22 October 2015 15: 46 New
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          Обычно российский интерес к китайским технологиям в новостях освещается как "в России появилось новое производство..." )
      3. Penetrator
        Penetrator 21 October 2015 19: 22 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

        Для их "гипотетических претензий территориальных" этот аппарат совершенно не нужен - длина сухопутной границы России с Китаем более 4 тыс. км., обойдутся и без экранопланов, в случае чего. А вот для применения в возможном конфликте с соседями, относительно спорных островов архипелага Спратли, будет оченно к месту, наверно потому и заинтересовались. Так это их тёрки в Южно-Китайском море, нас они не касаются от слова "совсем"
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 21 October 2015 20: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: Penetrator
          Для их "гипотетических претензий территориальных" этот аппарат совершенно не нужен - длина сухопутной границы России с Китаем более 4 тыс. км., обойдутся и без экранопланов, в случае чего.

          Somehow I wrote about six months ago. Counted, not too lazy. And became sad.
          Do you know that if the Chinese cross the Russian border at a speed of 100 thousand people per hour, then they will go 570 days !!!!!!!!!!
          1. Zefr
            Zefr 21 October 2015 20: 53 New
            0
            This is 570 days, continuously, will not be silent machine gun?
        2. ksan
          ksan 21 October 2015 21: 47 New
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          Quote: Penetrator
          Для их "гипотетических претензий территориальных" этот аппарат совершенно не нужен - длина сухопутной границы России с Китаем более 4 тыс. км., обойдутся и без экранопланов, в случае чего.
          В "случае чего" Россия одна из двух стран которые может стереть в НОЛЬ любую страну или несколько стран. И Китай в эту пару не входит. А вот китайские деньги нужны, так что совместный взаимовыгодный проект с "временными попутчиками" - Китаем или Индией думаю самое то. hi
      4. ksan
        ksan 21 October 2015 21: 27 New
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        And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...
        Does China have territorial claims? It’s like Borya handed out to everyone who asked what, including the Chinese). And with technology, you really need to be careful, the Chinese people are cunning. hi
      5. PSih2097
        PSih2097 21 October 2015 21: 27 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

        fucking along the Chinese dams - all of China, along with mudflows, will go to the South China Sea ...
        1. wk
          wk 21 October 2015 22: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: PSih2097
          fucking along the Chinese dams - all of China, along with mudflows, will go to the South China Sea ...

          to hammer on the dam of the Rybinsk reservoir .... and the entire Volga cascade together with the adjacent cities will be washed off to the Caspian .... only or the pest decided to block the Volga with dams .... two units of the nuclear power plant generate more electricity than the Volga cascade .... yes, that there is a nuclear power plant ... 4-5 modern CCGT units will block the power of the entire cascade! about flooded CX territories, cities and towns .... powerful hydroelectric power plants justify themselves like the Sayano-Shushenskaya one, with deep reservoirs small in territory, with a large difference in elevation, in sparsely populated places .... but the danger from them is not small .. ..like the Volga arrived with the Dnieper, but now it’s not our problem anymore .... we urgently need to adopt a program for the phased elimination of the Volga cascade .... the only system that can’t be eliminated is the Volga-Moscow canal .... survived to the extent that from for a cascade of dams and reservoirs the Volga is shallow before our eyes, ceases to be navigable .... I will not say anything about fish and ecology.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 21 October 2015 23: 19 New
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            Quote: wk
            I will not say anything about fish and ecology.

            In Yaroslavl, in the 19th century, sturgeons and beluga were caught. I saw a photo: Beluga was sold, weighing 72 pounds (1152 kilograms) !!
            With the advent of the Rybinsk Vdhr, the fish disappeared .. someone, interestingly, tried to calculate the real losses from the existence of the same Rybinsk hydroelectric station? Starting with flooding of agricultural land, resettlement of (forced) people, and climate change in the region?
          2. 79807420129
            79807420129 21 October 2015 23: 23 New
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            It’s better to beat yourself on the head, unfortunately Comrade Stalin died on March 5, 1953 and didn’t ask you to build or not to build a cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the Volga, and it seems that your phased elimination of the brain has already begun, but it’s better to sell it, as some comrade suggested, you will be happy here and now.
            1. wk
              wk 22 October 2015 00: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: 79807420129
              Stalin died on March 5, 1953

              A large part of the cascade was built in the 50s-60s-70s after the death of Stalin .... during the life of Stalin there was neither the possibility of building powerful nuclear power plants or modern technologies with sufficient efficiency in the power system .. and hydrocarbon production (especially gas was In its infancy, Moscow was gasified only after the war, kerosene replaced gas in kitchens, coal in boiler rooms ... and small power plants) ... (it was a necessary measure) .... technologies that appeared later including High power NPPs, CCGTs have already left unclaimed the construction of hydroelectric power plants in the lowlands .... but hydropower continued to lobby for its crazy projects .... sooner or later, but this issue needs to be returned ... the sooner the better.

              "лучше по голове себе долбаните".... не предлагаю решать задачу ликвидации каскада таким образом, а лишь предупреждаю про опасность в случае вооружённого конфликта (в т.ч. теракта)

              1. Scraptor
                Scraptor 22 October 2015 05: 45 New
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                They simply_ produced_Russian_ peasantry ... the energetic effect of them even then was minimal. It is also quite possible to do without nuclear power plants, Holland and Denmark live like that ... Germans are closing them on the sly.
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            3. avia1991
              avia1991 22 October 2015 02: 13 New
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              Quote: 79807420129
              It’s better to beat yourself on the head
              Your rudeness, gracious, directly corresponds to your name specified during registration. What is human something missing?
              If there are specific arguments - lay out, no - what is the point of insulting a person? Undeservedly, by the way. You still do not know what forced eviction from places of alleged flooding is? Basically, by the way, there were no compensations: as you want - so get out! You can’t take the house away - your problems, there’s nothing to take away — throw it away! .. Nobody tried to delve into the problems of the people who lived in those places all their lives.
              As for the efficiency of hydropower plants - in the eastern regions of the Central Federal District a significant part of the electricity is generated at thermal power plants, including peaty. It is impossible to say that the cascade of hydroelectric power plants is completely useless - but you still have to buy electricity.
              At the same time, I repeat: environmental damage is increasing. And measures to take NOT FOR WHAT. As always..
              1. 79807420129
                79807420129 22 October 2015 07: 25 New
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                Dear Sergey, of course I apologize if I offended you with something, but my comment was addressed not to you at all, but to comrade wk, I certainly don’t know how the resettlement happened, but my great-grandfather was evicted from Mologa, he knows that the hydropower station is working now, but mainly the energy we take from the Kalinin NPP. Aryba do not worry about the sea, there are no sturgeons and belugas, of course, but pike perch, bream bream, not to mention a trifle, are well caught, the climate is with us, here you are right, of course, too humid.
                1. avia1991
                  avia1991 23 October 2015 02: 03 New
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                  Dear Glassworker!
                  Невозможность обратиться к оппоненту по имени вызывает у нормального человека "здоровое раздражение"- особенно, если сам имени не скрываешь hi This is so, by the way.
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  I apologize if I offended you with something, but my comment was not addressed to you at all,
                  You did not offend me in any way; this is true, as well as the fact that you answered not to me. But here is not a dispute between two opponents, but a forum, and in response to sheer rudeness, I considered it possible to intervene. If we ourselves cannot adequately communicate, nobody will do it FOR US.
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  my great-grandfather was evicted from Mologi, he knows
                  May God grant health to your great-grandfather! Moreover, your reaction to Vitaly’s proposal (wk) is not entirely clear - after all, the damage caused by the construction of this hydroelectric power station cascade was real! I don't think that предложение "долбануть" should be taken literally smile
                  Quote: 79807420129
                  do not worry about eating fish in the sea, of course there are no sturgeons and belugas, but pike perch, bream bream, not to mention a trifle, are well caught,
                  I know that a fish is found in the Rybinsk reservoir. Only its quantity and quality cannot be compared with what the Volga gave in pre-revolutionary times: it was real fishing, on an industrial, one might say, scale!
                  And now - so .. вот именно что "с удочкой посидеть".
          3. Aljavad
            Aljavad 22 October 2015 04: 35 New
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            survived to the fact that because of the cascade of dams and reservoirs, the Volga becomes shallow before our eyes, ceases to be navigable .... I will not say anything about fish and ecology.


            "Цимлянское море" - та же фигня... sad fool crying

            Sorry for the river!

            King of nature, poke him in the swing! am
      6. 341712
        341712 22 October 2015 08: 29 New
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        Quote: Vladimir
        Vladimirich Yesterday, 18: 34 ↑
        Lelikas or so.
        IMHO strategic technologies generally can not be sold. And China, including with their hypothetical territorial claims ...

        Exactly ... Well, if hopelessly, then some sort of switch to hide .... that would be through the satellite CLICK))))))))
    2. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA 21 October 2015 19: 40 New
      +3
      Behind. All you need to pay !!! And taking the money we can then pay a higher price !!! God forbid the lives of our soldiers !!! In any case, it is necessary to approach cooperation carefully !!!
    3. ssergn
      ssergn 21 October 2015 20: 22 New
      +4
      Actually, it’s no secret to anyone that not least thanks to export orders, Russia received a plane like Su 30СМ for its Air Force.
    4. Mister22408
      Mister22408 22 October 2015 01: 33 New
      0
      Leaning - let’s sell what wasn’t stolen before you. Pensioners care about money (their pension does not care - it was not they who created bully ), а где наш могучий , всегда и т.д. Комплекс? Сколько в этом месяце в облигации штатов в очередной раз влили? Ксерокс у таких как вы не получается - его еще надо Знать как включить... А у вас - команда "СПИСЫВАТЬ"...
  2. avt
    avt 21 October 2015 18: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir
    Well here again ..

    They haven’t done anything yet, and they are already ready to steal.
  3. marlin1203
    marlin1203 21 October 2015 19: 57 New
    +4
    The Chinese need it. They are still with the Japanese bickering over the disputed islands. But the money will not hurt us, on which you can build such ekranoplanes for yourself.
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 21 October 2015 20: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: marlin1203
      But the money will not hurt us, on which you can build such ekranoplanes for yourself.

      Current, the Chinese have time to fill the market with their cheap copies, and our designers habitually nap their paw. It would be better to give the Chinese a turn from the gates, and not the one to stop creeping under China ... But our dear government has a thin gut.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 21 October 2015 21: 33 New
        0
        The Chinese will have time to fill the market with their cheap copies,


        That is, in Russia they can not only make cheap copies, but even make their own, in sufficient quantities? Strange, but there are so many experts on the resource who are cursing the damned liberals with their minds with cancer! Chezh not help !? Ahh, I realized that a corrupt government is bothering you !!! That is, for the successful production of ekranoplanes, it is necessary to overthrow the government!

        From one topic to another, this piggy squeal about the government, astronautics, education, military affairs, and any posted topic is being hammered with your sobs about the dangers of the government for Russia. What do you propose, the swamp movement, the Maidan of Russian patriots, the revolution of the offended consciousness or the march of condoms to the Kremlin? As a person standing sideways in action, I warn you, I will press, like bugs. Experience above the roof.
        1. Penetrator
          Penetrator 22 October 2015 00: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: Asadullah
          As a person standing sideways in action, I warn you, I will press, like bugs. Experience above the roof.

          Не зарекайтесь, уважаемый. Когда масса клопов достигнет критической, навалятся скопом, несмотря на весь Ваш "вышекрышный" опыт. И тогда хоть боком, хоть раком стойте при деле - сомнут, сожрут и не подавятся. А чтоб такого не случилось, нужны реальные реформы в экономике и ответственность элит перед народом. А то такое впечатление, что наши правительственные либерал-экономисты ставят над населением эксперимент по выживанию: "Поднять тарифы ЖКХ! Терпят? Тогда поднять пенсионный возраст до 63 дет! Опять вытерпели? Ничего, у нас еще много идей, чтоб им жизнь мёдом не казалась"
  4. GSH-18
    GSH-18 21 October 2015 20: 47 New
    +2
    Sorry for the news, the states today tested their MINTMEN 3 missiles, which is not a new word, but nonetheless the flying jamming reveals the introduction of new electronic components into the rocket .. Enemies are getting ready. We are following.
    1. clidon
      clidon 21 October 2015 20: 53 New
      -1
      So it’s already in a row, like the modernization of these units.
  5. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 22 October 2015 07: 56 New
    0
    Strongly agree with you !!!
    CATEGORICALLY!!!
  6. aleksfill
    aleksfill 22 October 2015 17: 31 New
    0
    That's right, let Britain, with which they concluded contracts for 60 lard greens, be asked for technology. China is a bowing, ingratiatingly smiling stone neighbor
    bosom.
  7. fairmen
    fairmen 22 October 2015 20: 47 New
    0
    Yes, for myself it was necessary to do in the 60s, then the Americans would have fought at night in horror
  • svp67
    svp67 21 October 2015 18: 30 New
    10
    Media: Beijing is interested in Russian development of a promising WIG
    I think ... China has so many disputed island territories that they really need such a machine.
  • meriem1
    meriem1 21 October 2015 18: 31 New
    +5
    Ещё-бы не заинтересоваться!!! США были в ужасе от Советских разработок. Несущий на себе тонны оружия аппарат шел над водой( вне радаров) со скоростью 500 км\час. Вот пусть думают...если им "КАЛИБРА" не хватило.
    1. clidon
      clidon 21 October 2015 20: 39 New
      -9
      They almost died when they saw what it really represents. Hulking airplanes with low altitude and speed, or light-lifting ships, on which even self-defense systems have nowhere to put. Which it is unclear how to drive in coastal waters, how to save from birds, who will protect them on the route .. It's something in between, neither here nor there.
      Впрочем столько уже об этом говорено- переговорено, но всё равно все верят в чудеса "после 2000", нет после 2010го..." нет "после 2020го..." года.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 22 October 2015 04: 47 New
        0
        Hulking airplanes with low altitude and speed, or light-lifting ships, on which even self-defense systems have nowhere to put.


        "Птеродактиль - это что такое? - Обыкновенный крокодил с крыльями!"

        Цитата из Стругацких по памяти. Когда летучий ящер такое про себя услышал, он от обиды (пардон) уср...ся. "Сказка о тройке". Как малообразованные, недалёкие, но с круглой печатью граждане решали судьбы уникумов и реликтов.
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 22 October 2015 05: 55 New
          0
          You won’t explain anything to him ...
        2. clidon
          clidon 22 October 2015 16: 21 New
          -1
          Well, of course you can continue to believe in super-wunderwaffles, in order to be surprised then, why these ships do not take these miracles into service.
          1. Scraptor
            Scraptor 23 November 2015 11: 59 New
            0
            Are you talking about the F-35?

            so
            Quote: clidon
            Hulking planes

            or
            Quote: clidon
            miracle ships?

            laughing

            They were in the Caspian only one model 5pcs in service.
      2. pticas
        pticas 22 October 2015 06: 09 New
        0
        At our air traffic control center, for half a year, with the help of an observer, the supervisor learned to determine the notch from the e-plan on the radar (knowing the flight courses and waiting for its appearance). Due to the high angular velocities and water suspension (especially the flight of an ekranoplan), it beats on the radar like a hindrance!
  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 21 October 2015 18: 31 New
    +2
    became aware of the decision made in the Russian government to resume the production of ekranoplanes

    Although they began to make the right decisions.
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 21 October 2015 18: 33 New
    +6
    Our innovations and our technologies interest everyone. If only we ourselves used our technologies, and then did not buy them from behind a hill or behind a puddle.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 21 October 2015 18: 36 New
    +6
    They haven’t done so yet, but are already acquiring it. Or, as usual, they only need one instance and a documentation package?
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 21 October 2015 18: 40 New
      +1
      Naturally, China does not buy differently. But why do we need it
    2. SAM 5
      SAM 5 21 October 2015 19: 03 New
      0
      Or, as usual, they need only one copy and a documentation package?

      Even the documentation package is not needed, they will cross it by eye.
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 22 October 2015 00: 35 New
        0
        And blind on a 3d printer ....
        Quote: SAM 5
        Or, as usual, they need only one copy and a documentation package?

        Even the documentation package is not needed, they will cross it by eye.
  • Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 21 October 2015 18: 37 New
    +2
    Beautiful car.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 21 October 2015 19: 47 New
      +5
      Of particular interest is the biplane solution, which, in my opinion, has been undeservedly forgotten in subsonic and naval aviation.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 21 October 2015 20: 50 New
        +3
        I wonder if a supporting hull is possible in an ekranoplane. To be without wings at all. There was, and quite marvelously, Martin Marietta X-24A flew, and yet it was almost half a century ago.
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 22 October 2015 05: 57 New
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          To be without wings at all.

          Will you install engines with propellers on the bow or aft? Again, the stability of the aircraft (damn woo?) Is less, remember the tightrope walkers!
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 22 October 2015 21: 53 New
            0
            It is better, of course, to put propellers on the nose. Intensive blowing of aerodynamic surfaces will give a serious increase in lift. And stability ... The screen effect seems to be different, which radically increases the stability of any vessel.
  • roskot
    roskot 21 October 2015 18: 48 New
    +3
    The car looks cool. A beautiful car and it will fly beautifully. But from the beginning it’s necessary to build for yourself.
  • Mr shrek
    Mr shrek 21 October 2015 18: 49 New
    +3
    It’s good that the ekranoplanes are reborn.
    1. clidon
      clidon 21 October 2015 20: 40 New
      -1
      Разговоров как всмегда много, а как коснётся реального производства "не продаются почему то".
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 22 October 2015 05: 58 New
        0
        Because it’s good to fly to Amerika and land there ... what will the UN do without grated jeans, apples and lard? No quarantine or visas at all.
  • YGV-97219
    YGV-97219 21 October 2015 18: 49 New
    +1
    Here is the grip of the Chinese, they are still developing it and they already want to buy it!
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 21 October 2015 18: 52 New
    +8
    Quote: lelikas
    Quote: Vladimir
    Well, here again ... These hugs are straining with China. Especially with regard to technology. For yourself, do it, put it on the stream and then gurgle as much as you like.

    Not quite so - you need to take money now, for development and design, otherwise then, they will buy one thing and turn on the copier.


    Xerox was invented in China, they propagated themselves. They will copy the figures - no, they won’t fly, as Ilyushin used to say. SCHOOL is needed here. MAI, Baumanka, MEPhI, MIPT, and Siberia and the Far East! Continue to continue? Until we lag behind. Take the Chinese AK-74. No, better not take ...
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 21 October 2015 19: 45 New
      +5
      About two weeks ago, there were exercises near St. Petersburg with specialists, so the people there said that our modern AKs also do not shine with quality and who are lucky, they use Soviet manufacture.
  • veksha50
    veksha50 21 October 2015 18: 54 New
    +4
    "Beijing is interested российской разработкой перспективного экраноплана"...

    It’s easier now to say what China is NOT interested in ... They catch and grab on the fly, she didn’t have time to fart for forty, and the Chinese have already plucked her tail ...
  • Mercury
    Mercury 21 October 2015 19: 07 New
    -1
    Friends like the Chinese who follow the tactics of a monkey on a tree that watches a tiger fight and then comes down and does what the monkey constantly likes to do with a loser tiger. So, such friends need to sell equipment with a self-destruction button so that in case of something, turn on the button and the Chinese are left with axes and forks again
  • TIO1969
    TIO1969 21 October 2015 19: 08 New
    +3
    Да, Китай пользуется ситуацией политической в мире. Нам вроде как не удобно им отказать в "партнерстве" Но надо пытаться, все-таки с минимальными потерями. СП создать, в договоре закрепить права и разделение рынков сбыта. Может быть, вариант БРАМОС с Индией попробовать предложить. Совместная разработка ну и тд..
  • Ivan Ivanovich
    Ivan Ivanovich 21 October 2015 19: 08 New
    +1
    Myself must not forget to build ...
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 21 October 2015 19: 17 New
      +1
      And do not offend yourself! We have to good will be! wink
  • Urri
    Urri 21 October 2015 19: 15 New
    10
    Quote: iliitch
    Xerox was invented in China, they propagated themselves. They will copy the figures - no, they won’t fly, as Ilyushin used to say. SCHOOL is needed here. MAI, Baumanka, MEPhI, MIPT, and Siberia and the Far East! Continue to continue?


    Поздно надуваться спесью. Не далее как вчера лично мне крановщик 160-тоного "Либхера" из Минска плакался, что 2 новых 150-тонных "Зумлионга", появившихся в августе в Минске, мигом забрали на себя все заказы. Подымают на одинаковом вылете не 12, а 18 тонн, к примеру. Прошло время, когда немцы задавали стандарты в краностроении. Китайцы поимели в этой области весь мир менее, чем за 10 лет. И это только начало. Что российское, что белорусское машиностроение стремительно теряет конкурентоспособность в наукоемком и высокотехнологичном продукте, а мы всё "гордимся общественным строем". Просыпайтесь, господа! Самое время. Хотя, в некоторых областях, уже и поздно.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 21 October 2015 19: 40 New
      0
      Arrogance? What arrogance? Well, the Chinese will come to us in the Far East, and so what? All enslaved and killed? Divorced here on the Internet, to put it mildly, who think for others.
  • Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 21 October 2015 19: 17 New
    +1
    China, Tuamotu, Fiji Islands ... let them be interested in how much will fit.
    To promise is not to marry.
    Forgot in the technological map to indicate what kind of manganese dioxide .... and sorry, goodbye the flight of the Petrel.
    Here, do not forget to fasten ... those interested ... to your needs. Yes more thoroughly.
    .
    А вообще, от статьи, веет такой, юношеской окрыленностью - ура, ого, опять начнут военные "каспийские" или еще какие Монстры строить. И даже ударным оружием оснащать?
    And what for?
    "Калибры" так себя откалибровали, что всем еще только догнать нас придется. К 2020 году.
    А наши Левши, к тому времени, придумают какие-нито "Развертки" или "Шаблоны" там. Которые разрываются.
    "Головки хонингования"....а чо, всех отхонингуют.
    And where does the ekranoplan?
    No, much more interesting if he remains civilian, passenger.
    Estimate, from Leningrad to Kaliningrad, two hours and tama. Along the Strand of the Baltic. Beauty.
    And let the sprats strangle themselves.
    .
    And even from Astrakhan - the same three hours - and a company of special forces is already hosted in the Persian Gulf.
    And not a single radar saw them.
    Story!!!
    1. corporal
      corporal 21 October 2015 22: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Bashibuzuk
      And not a single radar saw them.
      Story!!!

      Fishing boats-sees, ekranoplan-no ??? Is it underwater or hyperlight?
  • Bthuk
    Bthuk 21 October 2015 19: 20 New
    0
    after 2020 year

    All clear...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 21 October 2015 22: 31 New
      0
      After 2020 - it means never.
  • Xsanchez
    Xsanchez 21 October 2015 19: 23 New
    +2
    What pace the Chinese have gained, they are not far behind, so you can’t immediately sell new technologies. Let them torment for about 5 years, copying whatever they get. And when they mature, agree on the sale of 40 pieces. Most importantly, Ukraine will not sell them anything cheaply, because do not have such technologies.
    And what opportunities open up: equip with calibers, and teach the calibers to work on ships (put a radar, etc.). Then, in general, enemy ships can not go to sea, catch and drown.
  • nrex
    nrex 21 October 2015 19: 34 New
    0
    Just do not think for our services that they are such naive freaks what "лопушки"
  • xtur
    xtur 21 October 2015 19: 41 New
    -5
    >взлётная масса 54 тонны, рассчитан на перевозку 9 т груза на дальность до 5 тыс. км

    the Chinese, they are stupid, do not know that EP is a solid dough drank, and loses the plane in all respects. Perhaps that is why they are negotiating the purchase
    ;-)
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 22 October 2015 06: 01 New
      -2
      Quote: xtur
      take-off weight of 54 tons, designed to transport 9 tons of cargo at a range of up to 5 thousand km

      Well, make yourself an airship and carry 10 tons of cargo around the ball at least 10 times, until you have enough patience ...
      1. pticas
        pticas 22 October 2015 06: 13 New
        0
        By the way, helicopters are also great in terms of speed compared to airplanes, and TU-95 is not TU-160.
        In the furnace of all?
      2. xtur
        xtur 22 October 2015 09: 49 New
        +1
        >Ну сделайте себе дирижопель и возите 10 тонн груза вокруг шарика хоть 10 раз, пока терпения хватит...

        I repeat for those who did not understand the first time - it’s not me who is negotiating the purchase of electronic devices with the indicated characteristics, and the Chinese. All questions and suggestions to them.

        And I just drew the attention of the forum that, despite the fact that the ES on the forum is considered to be sloppy technology, it has a specific buyer - China. And since I got a few minuses for it, it means that I stepped on a sore spot for several people, and even how many can be calculated :-)
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 23 November 2015 12: 35 New
          0
          америкосы по ЭП тоже все для своего "пеликана" скупили и положили под сукно
      3. Scraptor
        Scraptor 23 November 2015 12: 38 New
        0
        спутники и не постольку летают, только дороже и "таргет ареа" проскакивают быстро
        as well as with quick, cheap and safe crew replacement for them problems
  • novobranets
    novobranets 21 October 2015 19: 46 New
    +1
    Representatives of China are negotiating with the Central Design Bureau on hydrofoil ships to them. Alekseeva on the acquisition for the PLA developed ekranoplanes A-050
    As always, one thing, to see how it works? Buy a patent, and spank on health. Accustomed to a freebie advanced technology lick. Replace the screwdriver bolt with a turnkey bolt, and regret shave, new design. They will give the technique a name that is inconvenient for women to pronounce, and they will rivet and wait for new Russian developments. Is it time to change this state of affairs?
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 21 October 2015 19: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: Mercury
    Friends like the Chinese who follow the tactics of a monkey on a tree that watches a tiger fight and then comes down and does what the monkey constantly likes to do with a loser tiger. So, such friends need to sell equipment with a self-destruction button so that in case of something, turn on the button and the Chinese are left with axes and forks again


    What are we selling? Mighty planes, so that they would bomb us? Oh well, I don’t believe it.
  • propolsky
    propolsky 21 October 2015 19: 50 New
    +2
    A very tempting thing for China! Only Taiwan to return under its roof will require such cars in large numbers. And if you look further east of China, then the work is endless. You need to think. It is a pity to sell technologies that they themselves have not yet mastered.
  • tchoni
    tchoni 21 October 2015 20: 03 New
    +1
    ну, как говорят в "незалежной" "витер в срацю" китайцам. Авось за их счет получется отработать технологию и чуть - чуть приподнять свое производство.
  • sabakina
    sabakina 21 October 2015 20: 30 New
    +1
    “A-050 ekranoplane operations with a take-off mass of about 50 tons are carried out within the framework of the enterprise’s development budget,” G. Antsev said.

    "Лунь", около 500т., имел 8 двигателей, 6 "Москитов"...А этот, с двумя винтами...ну так, на рыбалку сгонять...
    1. pticas
      pticas 22 October 2015 06: 15 New
      0
      У "Орлёнка" 159тонн и 2НК-8 и один НК-12 и очень неплохо на рыбалку возил до 200 десантников или пару БТР!
    2. strannik1985
      strannik1985 22 October 2015 13: 48 New
      -1
      С дальностью пуска 120 км,при этом базировались на ЧВМФ куда авианосец никогда не придёт. Мореходность на уровне 3-4 балла,дальность 2000 км. И это "противоавианосное" оружие?
      1. Scraptor
        Scraptor 23 November 2015 12: 08 New
        0
        Was it impossible to relocate it? The same flying boat with only a small ceiling.
  • manguest
    manguest 21 October 2015 20: 54 New
    +2
    For the Chinese, this is a very low-cost option of fighting ships in general, and with whose AUGs in particular the vast expanses of the Pacific Ocean are known. Other uses for such devices are also possible.
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 21 October 2015 22: 13 New
    +4
    I repeat here is what the ekranolety need
    1. Dreiko11
      Dreiko11 22 October 2015 02: 43 New
      0
      aaaaa laughing kapets ............ who said that the us army is fighting? here is the real proof of that .....
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 21 October 2015 22: 25 New
    0
    China to sell a batch of at least 5 products and money in advance :)
  • INF
    INF 21 October 2015 22: 36 New
    0
    Yes, so far there is no one to be friends openly with, no country has said that the whole west will fall asleep in a clash with Russia, they will take care of everything, sell as usual something average, they will copy in the same way.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 21 October 2015 22: 37 New
    0
    British Prime Minister David Cameron said during a visit to President Xi Jinping that they would sign agreements on deals worth 40 billion pounds ($ 62 billion).
    21 October

    Xin Jinping can buy an ekranoplane from Cameron.

  • Urri
    Urri 21 October 2015 22: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Turkir
    Xin Jinping can buy an ekranoplane from Cameron.


    Spicy. Overseas :-))
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  • lukke
    lukke 21 October 2015 23: 20 New
    0
    at A-050 the muzzle resembles a shark
  • Baloo
    Baloo 21 October 2015 23: 25 New
    0
    By profession, I have no relation to aviation; in my childhood I was engaged in aircraft modeling. If you put an additional small wing in the bow, will it be able to reach the angle of attack earlier? Or a type of ski that retracts into the hull after separation from the water? What do the pros say? hi
    1. Scraptor
      Scraptor 22 October 2015 06: 09 New
      0
      Why small?
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      2. Baloo
        Baloo 22 October 2015 11: 27 New
        0
        To reach faster at the required angle of attack of a small wing or a ski retracted into the hull will be enough. When the car is moving, open the window and stick out your hand, what will you feel?
        1. Scraptor
          Scraptor 23 November 2015 12: 27 New
          0
          medium size is better - the effect is greater

          с небольшой лыжой близко к носу будут проблемы с ее стойкой и с "усами" по воде которые она дает на нзкое основное крыло, там вообще не угол атаки нужен, а напор и поддув для создания динамической воздушной подушки.
    2. pticas
      pticas 22 October 2015 06: 18 New
      0
      У "Орлёнка" был глиссирующий корпус с реданами и управляемая лыжа.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 22 October 2015 03: 03 New
    0
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    For a long time, plus it is necessary to invest in the development of technologies and industrial facilities for the production of finished products. To sell the idea - and get an instant profit, albeit tens, hundreds of times smaller, but here and now.

    Grab your five cents - and with them to where it is warm .... Только раньше мы смеялись над "пошью костюм с отливом, автомобиль "Волгу" куплю - и в Ялту!", а теперь это у нас русский бизнес такой - хапнуть сколько получится и рвать подальше. А главное - чего-то никто над ними не смеётся, наоборот - завидуют... negative


    Да кто завидует ? РВАЧЕЙ никогда не уважали . Появились тут в 90-е , и что ? Костюм "АDIDAS" запасной купил чел , и в Рио-де-Жанейро в белых штанах , образно выражаясь ? Несерьёзно как-то . Мы здесь живём . И техника у нас на уровне . Эк верещат буржуины - значит , правильно караван идёт .
  • ermolai
    ermolai 22 October 2015 03: 47 New
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    1. replace shitty liberal government (economic bloc). 2. limit the export of capital from the country, according to various sources, it is 100-150 yards every year, as many countries did during their crises. 3. stir up a joint project with the Han,

    the recipe is probably one, three in one, but the government should not be changed, but planted exponentially, for ineffective management, with confiscation of property, and compensation for damage, return s / n. for the withdrawal of capital to mines 15 years.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 22 October 2015 03: 49 New
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    China needs such machines more than we do.
    And it makes sense to take their money to project freely,
    plus use Chinese facilities for the construction of prototypes.
    The technologies worked out, then it’s already possible to build with us a secret filling,
    for specific purposes.
    Nobody shouts about the brahmos, although there is also a military one.
    And what about the war with China, do you seriously believe in it?
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 22 October 2015 06: 05 New
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      Quote: Zomanus
      And what about the war with China, do you seriously believe in it?

      Are you seriously expelling her? In the city of Dalnerechensk, Primorsky Territory, in a park in the city center, border guards from Damansky are buried.
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 22 October 2015 12: 41 New
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        And throughout Russia, the monuments to those killed in the Second World War and what? Is it because of this not to be friends with the Germans? Times change.
  • Earnest
    Earnest 22 October 2015 12: 39 New
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    Quote: PSih2097
    fucking along the Chinese dams - all of China, along with mudflows, will go to the South China Sea ...

    to hammer on the dam of the Rybinsk reservoir .... and the entire Volga cascade together with the adjacent cities will be washed off to the Caspian .... only or the pest decided to block the Volga with dams .... two units of the nuclear power plant generate more electricity than the Volga cascade .... yes, that there is a nuclear power plant ... 4 -5 of modern CCGT units will block the power of the entire cascade! about flooded CX territories, cities and towns .... powerful hydroelectric power plants justify themselves like Sayano-Shushenskaya, ... I will not say anything about fish and ecology.

    And if you fuck at the nuclear power plant, it will become easier ?? I'd rather have a swim laughing