Frustration as the only way of existence of Euro-Ukraine

Forgive my emotion, but I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain


Frustration as the only way of existence of Euro-UkraineHow do the average supporters of European integration feel inside? To start a conversation on this topic, we will give a scientific definition of frustration.

Frustration (from the Latin. Frustratio - deception, vain expectation) - a negative mental state, due to the inability to meet certain needs. This condition is manifested in feelings of frustration, anxiety, irritability and despair.

On the basis of a large array of field observations, I would clarify that frustration often arises not even from unmet needs, but from unrealized expectations.

I constantly see it on the example of my little son (he is one and a half years old). Here he goes quite satisfied, satisfied, in comfort. And in a second he sees something that he cannot / cannot reach / is dangerous. And it sharply becomes “necessary” for him, and since it is unattainable, it makes him deeply (but, fortunately, for a short while) unhappy. Woe-woe. Classic frustration. But the child can be distracted and switched, to give him another positive experience that will change his mood.

It took him the other day to carry a suitcase. The suitcase is big, bigger than a child, also heavy (there are some things inside). But we have to. The child screamed, dragged, puffed, fell, the suitcase fell on him, "bo-bo", was upset, wept, but continued to drag. Until dad turned his attention to the designer.

With adults, things are much worse. Ukrainians have lived here for decades, they have been fine - the climate is temperate, the land is generous, the tariffs are low. And then they were told that "they are Europeans," and that they really need the European Union. 95% Ukrainians have never been there and never will be, but it is very necessary. What for? Why? No matter. It is necessary! Because so the TV said.

And also these, which, “European values”, ord. What kind of crap it is, no one knows, but I also really want to. To "like people."

And they were inspired by the need to "get out the look of Muscovites." And do not care that 80% relatives in Russia, but "we will never be brothers." Because the family has its black sheep, and most of them have referred to Ukraine since the times of Ivan the Terrible. Joke. Just "the TV said so." And thinking without a TV is too difficult and unusual for many.

So they fouled euromaidan. Because “in Europe, the salaries are so high” and “they beat the children”. And here "the TV said so." When the neo-Nazi provocateurs on Maidan were slightly beaten, the TV said indignant, and they were indignant, thousands of inspired zombies came out. When they burned Odessa residents, the TV said to rejoice, and they rejoiced, ate cakes with “Russian babies.” Eurozombi, you can not argue with the facts.

Gidnyuki type peremogli. But the expectations did not materialize! Adults, thinking people told them that they could not justify themselves, because they were unreal, but who, thinking, listens to them ?! It is necessary to ride!

And not just none of the expectations came true, but it became much worse. Crimea left, Donbass left, euro Maidan received thousands of coffins of their punishers who went to suppress the "Vatu" to the east, the economy fell twice, prices increased three times, the chaos of officials and corruption only increased, and they were also joined by armed "patriots" on streets that regularly rob someone and kill. In general, it is possible to enumerate for a long time, but in fact: the fact that for the rest is just a deterioration in the standard of living, then for the “maydanutye” there is a complete collapse, because, apart from objective factors, their expectations are also affected by the above-mentioned expectations, which increasingly frustrate their psyche.

But at the same time, in spite of the conductor, Putin and common sense, you need to pretend that everything is fine and it is getting better every day. You see, they even cannot respond naturally to the problems, because it will be a “surprise”. Therefore, we are forced to convince others and, even worse, ourselves, that everything goes "according to plan." What causes the inevitable schizophrenization of the consciousness of Euro-Ukrainians.

They are children, because children are able to change, are able to learn and do not possess going off-scale. They are worse than children, onizhedebily. Forgive my emotionality, but I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain.

And here is such a Euro-Ukrainian sitting in a cold apartment (because the heating has not yet been turned on), without work, without money, without rights and unwanted, and engaged in self-suggestion that he is “a representative of the oldest nation in the world that protects Europe from the Moscow invasion.” And how, consoling?
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  1. Armored optimist 22 October 2015 05: 44 New
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    Dreams seem to run out soon.
    1. science fiction writer 22 October 2015 06: 24 New
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      Yes, hunger, cold and nothing good to come,
      and Russia is to blame for everything.
      1. Vladimirets 22 October 2015 07: 15 New
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        I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain

        Just some did not participate in this race. yes
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          WKS 22 October 2015 09: 07 New
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          I also researched this question a bit: "when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain." He researched in his Ukrainian friend, who constantly made categorical statements on any domestic and political problems. This was before the Maidan. Talking with him, I found out the source of his "encyclopedic knowledge." In addition to naturally Ukrainian television, this source turned out to be of medium thickness, a book published by some Kharkov edition. With the name of something like - "1001 questions and answers to them ...". My friend bought this book in Ukraine five years before he showed it to me. He always carried with him and greatly harbored. Having looked through this "encyclopedia", I was convinced that the truthful information there is strongly mixed with frank inventions, and the question-answer level is simplified to the childish one. Especially a lot of fiction concerned historical events of the real and fictional from the distant and not very past. I thought that there were not many people like this friend of mine in Ukraine, but after the last Maidan I was convinced that there were at least a lot of them.
        2. ava09 22 October 2015 09: 12 New
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          Quote: Vladimirets
          I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain

          Just some did not participate in this race.


          The very fact of the birth of an individual puts him at the start of an evolutionary race; not using the brain in this race is a loss. Resent the fact that others are stupid, also stupidity, only already own. So nature arranged.
          1. SPACE 22 October 2015 09: 55 New
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            Quote: Vladimirets
            Just some did not participate in this race.

            Race is a competition, rivalry, no matter how cynical it sounds, but competitors in this civilization race are unnecessary or are needed as a traction force. To mine in Switzerland for a long time, there was a horse-drawn stagecoach route, so when the wagon went uphill, the first class of passengers rode in the wagon, the second class climbed down and walked, and the third class had to push the wagon. In approximately the same way, today we can classify the states participating in the race.
        3. common man 22 October 2015 09: 19 New
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          Quote: Vladimirets
          Just some did not participate in this race

          Well, forgive them, they were digging the Black Sea at that time.
        4. Vega 22 October 2015 22: 48 New
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          The question was what to participate in.
      2. Dembel77 22 October 2015 07: 15 New
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        It’s bad when expectations are not met. Living constantly in a state of frustration is unhealthy and shortens life. I sympathize with the majority of Ukrainians (that is, those who did not "ride", did not participate in the Maidan, did not kill their ethnic brothers, did not succumb to the false and stupid promises of European politicians), but sympathy does not mean forgiveness. After all, their main fault was not only in a passive position with respect to their future, they were waiting - maybe everything will work out by itself, a good uncle will come and do everything for them! The main thing is in the betrayal of the congenial Russian people, for having betrayed only your loved ones only once, you will be rejected forever! Agree, with such a feeling of guilt, a normal person will not live long, I emphasize - normal!
        1. BLOND 22 October 2015 07: 37 New
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          Just take a word
          The bulk of Ukrainians have no guilt either in the Donbass or in Russia
        2. summer 22 October 2015 10: 25 New
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          I carefully follow the articles in the VO for several years.

          I don’t take part in discussions, but I worry about the country of my birth –SSSR.

          And today I could not stand it - turned on.

          I am from Odessa and see it all in reality, and not at a distance. I live here. I was on the Kulikovo field a few days after .. There are no words ..
          In simple terms, frustration is a frustration. The Russians felt that the population of Ukraine should automatically accept the dogma of the great Russian rebirth. But that did not happen. And there are reasons for this.
          I am annoyed by the attitude of the majority of “reagents” to events in Ukraine. They are trying to transfer all the troubles to the whole nation and blame them for cowardice, betrayal and meekness. Yes, there are such stupid cowardly Judas and there are many of them. But .. Remember Russia and Moscow in the 91st, in the 93rd. Ten years of life under the alkonaut and his pack. What is the merit of the Russian people when Bora "appointed" Putin as "successor"?
          How did the Russian people bring GDP to power?
          You are just lucky, but specifically YOUR merit is very small. What are you boasting about? Is it only because the group of people who brought Putin to power had first a Soviet, and then a Russian passport?
          Brotherly people are in trouble, and you are proud to have been dragged from the trap. It was not you who spent tremendous efforts, but they pulled you by the scruff! What is your merit?
          And now, standing on the edge of the pit in which Ukraine is floundering, you make fun of it and gossip, instead of at least sympathizing.
          Russia and its leadership have made and are making huge mistakes in relation to Ukraine. The first ten years after the divorce, everything was left to chance. “Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow.” In the first ten years, almost the entire Soviet backlog in Ukraine was already destroyed. Then a few more years of picking my nose - an observation from the side, how Ukraine is being felled into Russophobia. And silence! I understand that it was first of all necessary to solve Russian problems. But after all, the attitude to the national economy of Ukraine as to something foreign is this mismanagement! And to people too! A holy place is never empty - it was taken by crooks and crooks with fake diplomas and personal files in the personnel department of interested organizations.
          Okay, this is not about that. What to do? At least, do not push your closest relatives away from you - you will not find the best support for anyone. And do not spare the efforts and financial resources for the rapprochement of peoples. At least, the potential of Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa would now greatly strengthen the position of Russia.
          And people here are "more and more spiritual.") (C)
          1. 97110 22 October 2015 10: 54 New
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            Quote: summer
            I am annoyed by the attitude of the majority of “reagents” to events in Ukraine.

            You will not believe how these "reagents" annoy your flag. You have not written anything new. And the "reagents" write about it. Only we are under the Russian flag. And under the Ukrainian. And it’s time to turn the pin of the dos. The Indians attacked.
            1. summer 22 October 2015 11: 12 New
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              I live in a "free" country. Therefore, I go around the corner.
              I will advise you with the words of Panikovsky - "And you go to Kiev and ask ..."
              And do not be proud of the flag - this is not your merit. I came here as I saw fit.
              1. 97110 23 October 2015 16: 50 New
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                Quote: summer
                I came here as I saw fit.

                Well, that's another matter. But minus still left you. Because Russia was under external control. And demanding something beyond that done is somehow childish. If the US flag hid, then they should understand.
                1. summer 23 October 2015 20: 33 New
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                  Nikolay, I’m not entering from my computer and I don’t select the flag. This time.
                  Second; Russia has not completely left outside external control, and the “nenka” is completely under it. Blaming the people, both Russian and Ukrainian, I personally would not dare.
                  Third; I do not require Russia to do something for Ukraine. This is in the public interest of Russia. Unlike the Eltsin clique, the current leadership of the Russian Federation clearly understands the historical significance of Ukraine as part of Russia. Russia is FORCED to make certain movements in this direction in order to preserve and increase its statehood. Listen carefully to Putin, Lavrov, S. Ivanov.
                  Fourth; I have not evaluated anyone either by minus or by plus. Not for this I write and read.
                  With a compliment.
          2. revnagan 22 October 2015 10: 58 New
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            Quote: summer
            And today I could not stand it - turned on.

            I am from Odessa and see it all in reality, and not at a distance

            I understand you perfectly. And your feelings. Because I myself from Sumy region. I have raised this topic many times, but either they don’t want to talk about it “out of harm”, or they feel “dizzy with success.” Of course, normal people, but mostly, when it comes to Ukraine and Ukrainians, the majority say: “yeah, they need it, traitors, policemen.” We have to admit that the West’s policy of dividing the peoples of the former USSR and turning them into enemies is very successfully, alas.
          3. afdjhbn67 22 October 2015 11: 13 New
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            Quote: summer
            And people here are "more and more spiritual.") (C)

            everything seems to be true, but I’ve seen your profile picture more than once ..
            1. summer 22 October 2015 11: 24 New
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              Blame everything wonderful Konstantin Vasilyev ..)))
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          4. ele1285 22 October 2015 11: 26 New
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            Quote: summer
            I carefully follow the articles in the VO for several years.

            I don’t take part in discussions, but I worry about the country of my birth –SSSR.

            And today I could not stand it - turned on.

            What to do? At least, do not push your closest relatives away from you - you will not find the best support for anyone. And do not spare the efforts and financial resources for the rapprochement of peoples. At least, the potential of Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa would now greatly strengthen the position of Russia.
            And people here are "more and more spiritual.") (C)

            Every nation has the government that it deserves.
            With rotten this "opus" from SUMMER. Again, do not spare money and efforts, help and pull out. Well, why do you have such a strong belief that you MUST?
            In 1 and 2, you didn’t even support us morally. You only whispered in the corners that Thank God that we didn’t. And in 93 from Transnistria they came to the defense of the White House, and you don’t, as usual - my hut from the edge. And in the 90-91 years you sacredly believed that you were the second custodian and enough to feed the Union. It was all that. And as if it’s really kirdyk, then help me again, we aren’t like that, we’re brothers.
            Leaf VO two years ago, how much was with 404? And how much is left now?
            And as for the potential of the East, so it strengthens Russia already, those who are smarter, have long been with us, and leave the scum from Aydar and Azov to yourselves. In Odessa it seems that there are a lot of people from Ternopol? Why aren't you fighting? Everyone is waiting for Russia to help, and then you say
            -Well, we ourselves.
            You will have to drink this cup to the bottom. Ukraine will only be allowed to die slowly, throwing small handouts in the form of money, coal, gas and take away the land.
            1. summer 22 October 2015 12: 05 New
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              Ho-ho .. Rude .. Already on the "you"?
              I’m telling you about the interest of Russia, not Ukraine. Well, if you have smart people at the head of the country, and not like you, “rootless cosmopolitans,” then they understand the difference between separately departing people and lost original Russian territories.)
              I do not advise you to generalize indiscriminately - “they”, “you”, “we”.
              I talked only about the past, which is easy to verify. And you vangue - what will happen. And what will be will be. If you do nothing, then nothing will happen.
              Logic is obviously not your trump card. It turns out that the Russian people sharply wiser after 2000? Before that, he deserved a drunk, and then immediately “deserved Putin”?
              You brought a set of nonsense, vulgarities. In short, stamps
              For a particularly incomprehensible, I repeat that your merit as a people who have chosen their path of movement is NOT!
              On the eve of the new year 2000, a group of people pressed a wheelchair user on Moskvich to a warm wall and hinted that "part is less than everything." And he parted.
              Generally speaking, the level of your rhetoric makes you think about the quality of Russian patriotism. For some, it would be better for their brains not to discredit this concept.
              1. ele1285 22 October 2015 12: 26 New
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                The appeal of "you" to you has nothing to do with rudeness as well. If it is difficult with the Russian language, take the secondary school course again.
                The Russian people did not grow wiser sharply in the 1999 year, but also in the 1993 year, but it was excusable for you, you might not know. The movement towards building the Empire went gradually, it was a necessity for us, but again I repeat, for you this is a "dark forest".
                I do not blame you, write as much BukF and about anything. As I always make sure that they know more about Russia in 404 than we draw conclusions, and not "kitchen" ones, but like three drunks around the corner. Well, fate (territory) ) such.
                Interestingly, did you attend a meeting of a wheelchair user or did you show on TSN?
                -and he parted.
                Proofs, bros, proofs. The rest is zvizdobolstvo. Than you actually always sinned.
              2. roadsmell 22 October 2015 13: 30 New
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                Logic is obviously not your trump card. It turns out that the Russian people sharply wiser after 2000? Before that, he deserved a drunk, and then immediately “deserved Putin”?
                You brought a set of nonsense, vulgarities. In short, stamps

                Our most important STAMP - while you were taking the inheritance inherited from the USSR, we, with our salaries, pensions, healthcare, industry, pulled another inheritance of the USSR - both yours, ours, and those others .. DEBTS!

                And we pulled this "inheritance". And they began to do this in the 90s, and not under the Putin you mentioned. Without anyone's help.

                So, do not hang stamps on others - look at the mirror, it has someone to hang stamps on.
              3. marna 24 October 2015 03: 16 New
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                It turns out that the Russian people sharply wiser after 2000? Before that, he deserved a drunk, and then immediately “deserved Putin”?


                Yes, the overwhelming majority wiser, unfortunately not sharply, if wiser faster, it would not be at the bottom in the 98th. But even then I did not meet people who would firmly believe that the West would help us free of charge with Euro salaries and Europencies.
                Rather, there was bewilderment at how several, I am not afraid of the word, mediocrity, could destroy such a powerful state - the Soviet Union. And how "brothers and sisters" rejoiced in the instant independence that had befallen them. From whom - from us or something, from Russia?
                And it was also a shame. It’s a shame when the popularly elected one-on-one “worked with documents”, it’s a shame when I didn’t leave the plane in Ireland in the 94th due to an unexpected “deterioration of health”, and in the same 94th I conducted the orchestra in Berlin. You can list indefinitely. Now all this painfully resembles the head of our neighboring state ...
                But I don’t remember something, that our neighbors were greatly concerned about our unenviable position in all respects, and even more so that we would blame some of them for our, to put it mildly, failures.
                Maybe that's why they "deserved" the current president ...
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                2. summer 24 October 2015 09: 38 New
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                  Even in your well-balanced post there is a set of clichés. Unfortunately.
                  Being determines consciousness. “The majority wiser” not by itself, but, firstly, thanks to the specific work of the Putin team, and, secondly, to a competent turn in the information policy. The primary work was Putin and Co. And then, as Celentano said, “I have always been convinced by convincing arguments.”
                  Independence as such is erroneously perceived by many as a positive positive factor. You can give a lot of examples of states that have received nezalezhnist, and sharply impoverished. True, in such states there is always a layer of rich people who for some reason are always in power. What hints .. By the way, about the joy "for independence". I perfectly remember my Moscow relatives in the early 90s, who arrived “to the south”, who, as children, were happy about the election of Yeltsin (who, in my opinion, was unable to trade seeds on Privoz) and that they died to feed parasites. Then it was a general feeling that all parasites were around. But this does not happen - someone is still the breadwinner. And that was Russia. But does this change anything in assessing moods? The euphoria of freedom has swept EVERYONE. (I personally am not there - I perfectly understood - a) instead of Moscow, Kiev will take the place of the throne and all financial flows will flow there; b) without its own energy carriers - oil and gas - kirdyk will come to independent Ukraine .. in December of the 91st I voted against leaving the USSR)
                  “I don’t remember that our neighbors were greatly concerned about our unenviable position in all respects, and even more so that we would blame some of them for our, to put it mildly, failures.” If we are talking about Ukraine and Russia (I know much less about other former Soviet republics), then in those years Ukrainians had no reason to rejoice at Russian failures, because Ukraine was located in the rectum much deeper than Russia. It is easy to compare inflation in those years. All but Belarus fell even lower than Russia. Maybe Turkmenistan has still relatively won. I do not mention the laying of the Baltic Sea.
                  Therefore, you did not elect Putin or bring him to the kingdom, but, as you rightly noted, you "deserve it."
                  God has given.
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                  2. marna 24 October 2015 14: 48 New
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                    Quote: summer
                    “The majority has become wiser” not by itself, but, firstly, thanks to the specific work of Putin’s team, and, secondly, to a competent turn in the information policy. The primary work was Putin and Co. And then, as Celentano said, “I have always been convinced by convincing arguments.”


                    I do not agree with your thesis. For me and my associates, who were liberal idiots in the early 90s, some doubts came when we realized that we were greatly raped, that all our moral and material principles, which we were taught at school and later at the institute, are, to put it mildly, inappropriate , if not harmful, in the conditions of developed and democratic capitalism, into which we all at once so together fell through the whole country. Independence and independence at once turned out to be not the conquest of the cultural revolution, but an unbearable burden for the majority of the population. Suddenly it turned out that in order to survive it is necessary to learn how to be a successful speculator. But we thought that this was article 154 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. Fools, that’s what I had to learn. In the mid-90s, we thought that we were already at the bottom and relaxed a bit and even began to raise our heads. In vain. In the late 90s, we were knocked from below ... Kinder, probably remember such a figure ... we were happy to plump again, recalling the words of the unforgettable Gerashchenko (Central Bank) that "the crisis invigorates." At this point, the word liberal in our party meant something abusive, so we somehow didn’t pay much attention to what was happening up there. Many have long realized that they will have to get out of the abyss with the help of "independence" (not for nothing that in the end we were its lucky owners), since we were already completely relieved and there was practically nothing to drag on ourselves. And yes, here I agree that we were lucky, after a popularly, democratically and repeatedly elected ... clown (I had completely scored the elections by then and had never appeared there), a sane person came to power who used every opportunity and all its potential to end the Chechen war and finally stop the sluggish parade of suverinetes, which almost led to the final collapse of the once great state. Then it was the most important thing to save the country.
                    Something like this coincided - at first they wiser, and there it was already lucky.

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                    in those years, Ukrainians had no reason to rejoice at Russian failures

                    Did not have. Nobody is talking about that time, everyone took a sip of independence. But it was precisely in those years in Ukraine that history turned upside down. And this is what it brought to - a significant part of the population of a huge country, paid for by Galicia, lives in the looking glass. People have a matrix gap. In fact, they were torn from the roots, and the roots themselves were uprooted and burned. Returning everything to its place will be extremely difficult. To do this, people, at least, should want to hear the truth, and not the stereotypes that they endlessly drive into their heads, starting from kindergarten. Hence the desire to blame the aggressor country (they came up with a word) in all their troubles, and not, for a start, look for reasons in their head. Hence the unbridled joy and gloating when the neighbor, something went wrong. And if this is so, then you can think of it, since the propaganda in Ukraine has greatly succeeded in this.
                    Yes, everything is so with us. Break through, not one of such troubles were chosen. And Ukrainians would like to wish that they finally begin to clean up their homes, and not look at what their neighbor has.
                    1. summer 25 October 2015 13: 22 New
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                      wait a bit .. i will answer you now
                      1. summer 25 October 2015 14: 04 New
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                        Knowing what you want and knowing what you don't want are two big differences ..)

                        You “wised up” in the 90s with a minus sign .. It's as always - “I don’t want to live like that .. .. Suppose .. Yeltsin began his career with this, taunting“ darakh rasiyan ”... On Kiev Maidan-1 and -2 of these were the absolute majority. You know the result. Being “smart” - beaten with a stick, it absolutely does not mean anything ..
                        With Putin, your knowledge has become a plus sign. Now you (all) know the taste of Victory and you have something to lose. You already have something to fight for.
                        Remember, you (all) have already filled the cones and tasted the fruit from the forbidden tree.
                        Now and only now you have become smarter.
                        I emphasize that specifically I understood this before the collapse of the USSR. My insight came a little earlier - during the GKChP ..
                        It then became clear to me that Yeltsin was not able to pull us out of the swamp .. We were even without a horse. Although it is still the same Munchausen. To my shame, I supported Gorbachev longer. Longer than it should.

                        Well, now - "I do not agree with your thesis." or do I agree?
                      2. summer 25 October 2015 14: 51 New
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                        In the second part. Then I’m an expert to all experts - I experienced it myself. It began with "publicity." In the trams on the wall they wrote - “Get the Russian schools - the Janissary barracks” (this is transliteration).
                        The struggle and stubborn struggle for the minds of Ukrainians has been ongoing continuously for 25 years and practically
                        without the support of mother Rasei. And there are victims, and numerous. And do not indiscriminately all a) bring down in one heap; b) accuse of treachery and betrayal. Russia put a hand to this with its inaction (pun intended) and indifference.
                        Only 10 years ago, Berezovsky, Gusinsky and Co. (from the word Kogan) have been you. And you only the last 3-4 years have come to your senses and realized that Russia needs to be protected. Russia is the Wild East for the USA. They have already digested their Wild West.
                        And in Ukraine it lasts continuously 25 years ..
                        “I always sat. I sat under Alexander the Second “Liberator”, under Alexander the Third “Peacemaker”, under Nikolai the Second “Bloody”. Under Kerensky, I also sat. Under war communism, however, I did not sit at all, pure commerce disappeared, there was no work. But how I sat under NEP! How I sat with NEP! These were the best days of my life. For four years I spent at liberty no more than three months ... "
                        That's the way Ukraine has always been.
                        Ukraine, too, "must be protected." She is also a tidbit and someone has already looked after her. And so that she did not get unworthy, they came up with an enemy and war.
                        Therefore, in Ukraine, as in a crooked mirror, there are heroes of the war, liberators, refugees, Stalingrad ruins, the "ashes of Klaas" are already beating in numerous hearts.
                        What do you want? You overthrew your tyrants? No! And Ukraine did not overthrow them. Although there have been attempts. But Maidan is not an attempt to restore justice - these are valves for releasing steam in a whistle. The people are not monolithic, neither Russian nor Ukrainian. No one has disproved the theory of the Lenin revolution. It is used by both friends and enemies. The technologies for counteracting even the emergence of the possibility of revolution are constantly being improved. In our time, no state will allow the creation and development of a “revolutionary party of a new type” on its territory. In a dispute between Panikovsky and Balaganov, Panikovsky is more likely to win - “theft." Power can hardly be taken by force (unless Uncle Sam is behind him). And please steal. To do this, they came up with money, democracy .. And multi-party elections - to avert eyes. Anyway..
                        Russia, by and large, has a huge advantage - it is completely self-sufficient. Smart people are not proud of this, because it is the merit of their ancestors, like the color of their eyes and hair. We must not be proud of wealth, but take care. And multiply! And just do not humiliate the neighbors, especially the next of kin. It is not known how the matter will turn around. To create an enemy for yourself, and even out of the blue, the matter is simple - evil and simple.
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                        You have longing, summer, longing. The second day I read you. At first I thought that the SBU had found and launched an intellectual in VO. Yes, something does not converge. Write that roads are being built in Odessa ... But the question is: why does Mishuko put the baby tag as head of customs? Rhetorical question. The answer is already clear. When it is necessary to show the fight against corruption, he will surrender it with giblets to the SBU. And the "gray cardinals" of customs will remain aloof. Did you see Poroshenko’s vote today? Swollen, swollen, with swollen eyes. You are all comparing us and Ukraine. Incomparable concepts. And finally: you are on a Russian site. This means that any person has the right to give you his comments and evaluate you. This right of Russians to express their opinion (within the law) is enshrined in the Constitution. And you flickered, "I'm not talking to you" ... And regarding Russia, we get up, get up ... One "Immortal Regiment" collected half a million. Here is our "maidan", if you want. No drugs, no burning St. George ribbons, no horse racing to the rumble of empty barrels and cookies ... And Crimea is ours. Dot.
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                        Dear, I have a question for you. When you post, do you know the purpose of your message?
                        Or just write out of boredom?
                        Does the FSB make you write here? Or the CIA? Why do you think that only intelligence officers were trained in Ukraine? Or to enter the Internet do we need to fill out a form and swear on the Bible?
                        When did I write about roads in Odessa? Are you confusing anything?
                        Who is Mishuko? And why is he somehow somehow putting a crib? You will ask him. Of course, I have my own point of view and even the answer to the question "why does he pose it". But I'm not in business here - this is their own business.
                        Today I did not see Poroshenko voting - I voted for him all day.
                        In the sense that I voted for him. Instead of him.
                        "Himself, b-la, one, b-la."

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                        And finally: you are on a Russian site. This means that any person has the right to give you his comments and evaluate you. This right of Russians to express their opinion (within the law) is enshrined in the Constitution. And you flickered, "I'm not talking to you"


                        In the end, this is not in the middle of the text, but in the end.

                        I am on a Russian site. Any person has the right to express their correct (within the law) opinion. This is enshrined in the Constitution of the Russian Federation. AND…? What's next?
                        You are talking on the street with a person, asking him questions, and a passerby gets into a conversation with his answers. How do you respond to his “constitutional law”? Do you always invite neighbors to participate in family quarrels or do they come? And in your family bed is there a place for sudden and uninvited guests?
                        Of course, I exaggerate, but ..
                        In that episode, I asked the gentleman questions, he did not answer them, but answered the questions that I asked the other gentleman.
                        Does such a conflict in any way fall within the scope of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the Criminal Code, the UN Charter, the jurisdiction of the ECHR?
                        How would you rate the attitude of this gentleman if he addressed you in this way? Would you pretend that he used his constitutional right? Or hinted at his bad education and disrespect for the interlocutor? I distinguish between a conversation of educated people and a drunken bazaar in which everyone is rude and shouting at each other. Incidentally, I nevertheless continued the dialogue with him and gave him the opportunity to use his Russian constitutional law on the Russian site. But deep down I dream .. I'm waiting for him on the Ukrainian website with a volume of the Constitution of Ukraine in my hands. Tomik is very, very heavy, in a gold case.
                        Keep me what I do with it !!!

                        Finally, about the Crimea. Are you arguing with yourself and trying to prove something to yourself? In my face you found an ungrateful spectator - I do not understand the reason for your excitement. soldier
                  3. marna 26 October 2015 02: 42 New
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                    “I don’t want to live like this” meant that I wanted to go home, to the Sov. Union) From the very beginning, everything went wrong. Many good things in a hurry were lost or deliberately destroyed by vandals. Stability, education, medicine and other so-called social values ​​- everything remained there. Western material values, in the form of abundance on the shelves, which turned the country into a flea market, somehow could not replace it. There was a clear understanding that the power fell into the wrong hands and that they would overwhelm the country, which, in fact, they did immediately. It felt like a long, if not forever. Was this a “smartness” with a minus sign ... hardly, it came empirically, after all the cause-effect relationships were established and long before the situation began to change for the better.
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                    In the second part, I will say this. If such an inscription appeared on the wall of a trolleybus or bus (we have almost no trams) in Moscow, then by the morning it would not be there anymore - at night, during the cleaning, it would be painted over or wiped away. If such a leaflet caught my eye on the street, it would be torn off by the people themselves and thrown into the urn. We, too, Natsik raised their heads - the result is zero, they do not stand on ceremony. Our mentality is different.
                    You correctly say that Russia is a self-sufficient and large country, but we are not proud of its scale, but the fact that our ancestors collected it for us in pieces and washed it with their blood. And we will honor their memory and never give anyone a grudge.
                    And we don’t humiliate our neighbors, we’re just tired, we already endure the whims of our neighbor, and we are tired of exhorting. Just with amazement and regret, we watch how a neighbor lowered himself below the baseboard.
                  5. summer 26 October 2015 12: 10 New
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                    You, dear marna, always mention the pronoun "we".
                    If "we" is the Russian government, then it tolerated, is suffering and will continue to tolerate all the "whims of our neighbor." Because he understands perfectly well that he is really dealing with the United States and its proteges. No state is ever driven by emotions. Although separate exceptions exist.
                    If "we" are the Russian people, whose representative you are, then I remind you that the state’s policy is carried out by state power, and if the people have doubts about the correctness of the policy, then it changes state power. It turns out that you (the people) do not agree with Russian foreign policy. But it still takes place to be as it is.
                    From this it follows that "the dog barks, the wind wears." It sounds insulting, but it's a fact. If the government had consulted with the people at every step, the state would either go in circles or stand still.
                    The people delegated their powers to the state authorities (theoretically), therefore, they should not formulate their separate policies.
                    Therefore, all assessments such as “we should not feed you”, “Ukraine is our enemy”, “hah-ly all Judas” by the overwhelming majority are ignored by the authorities. Public opinion of Russians is formed and used as an instrument of pressure. Even to the same Ukraine.
                    And this is fair and meets the state interests of Russia.
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                    with amazement and regret, we watch how the neighbor lowered himself below the baseboard

                    I remind you how our neighbor (Russia) lowered himself in the first decade. Are you ready to take responsibility?
                    I do not get tired of repeating - the people have a very distant relation to the conduct of the state’s internal and foreign policy. Ukraine is an object, a piece on a chessboard. She cannot move independently. She is not a player. Until recently, Russia was also a figure. Not a pawn, but not a player. Now she has become a player, but, believe me, the people of Russia played a very small role in this.
                  6. marna 26 October 2015 13: 30 New
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                    “We” are people, I am not responsible for power, because I am outside of it. But at this stage, I unequivocally support Russia's foreign policy. And judging by the rating of the President, I am not alone in supporting. Ordinary people are simply tired of watching this outrage. Could help - certainly would help. Many, by the way, do so, help than SE and refugees from there can.
                    One can endlessly discuss Ukraine, say "and you have it in the 90s," recall Chechnya, etc. I do not think this is a constructive approach, we are talking specifically about Ukraine and this problem does not solve the problem of Ukraine.
                    The fact that Ukraine is under external control is clear to the ram. And it was clear all the 2000s. The fact that she completely surrendered to the West is something your politicians, sorry, are constantly broadcasting from all the stands. Accordingly, we also understood this.
                    Why did people in the South East not allow the Nazis to power, and remained silent in the rest of Ukraine. And do not say that SE Russia helps. Russia helps only those who want and ask for this help. Syria is your last example.
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                    Dear marna, if you support the government, of which I have no doubt, you should evaluate its efforts in the Ukrainian direction. Putin speaks of brotherly people, of a single people, and you are constantly opposing Russians and Ukrainians.
                    Those. in general, you are for Putin, but specifically in Ukraine you have a different point of view?
                    Most “military observers” hold even more extremist views. And also mostly for Putin.
                    Take any question of foreign and domestic policy, you (everyone) have their own point of view, and even often diametrically opposed, but all together you are for Putin.
                    What is this talking about? First of all, that you personally and most Russians (Russians) are afraid of losing him — no one is better visible on the horizon. God forbid Medvedev or something worse. Right? Adhere to the deep meaning of the saying - "the best is the enemy of the good" or about the horses at the crossing.
                    If we talk about Russia in the 90s, then I also do not really like this period of my life. But I have no better arguments to illustrate the possible development of events in Russia.

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                    Why did people in the South East not allow the Nazis to power, and remained silent in the rest of Ukraine

                    The answer lies on the surface - there was no single Ukraine as it was. However, as there is no single Russia. In Russia, there was only Chechnya ... Contrary to Yeltsin's "take sovereignty, how much ...", Putin is a statesman and understands the dangers of excessive freemen.
                    He is building a vertical of power, and not by force. In Ukraine, there is no Putin and could not be - from the very beginning, the situation got out of the control of the Kremlin. Here is partly the fault of Russia. Ukraine is a zone of historical interests of Russia, it is the territory of Russia. And Putin does not have the right to treat her like Bunsh at Kem volost.
                    And you, apparently, in the position of Bunshi?
                    Last thing. Listen carefully to Putin, he usually says what he thinks and does — this is the position of a strong leader. And about Syria, Putin says that there Russia defends, first of all, its interests.
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                    Thesis:

                    - I support
                    - I appreciate the efforts towards Ukraine
                    - I do not oppose
                    - specifically in Ukraine, right

                    But ... GDP is a great (I’m not afraid of this word) strategist of our time, I understand his strategy, the goal is clear, but achieving it, in my opinion, could be more dynamic ...
                    At the same time, I understand why this has not happened and will not happen. Ukraine is composed of puzzles, but these puzzles do not stack together. No wonder it is called the state artificially created by the Bolsheviks.
                    Russia is different. With proper management, subjects lost the desire "to take sovereignty as much as they can swallow." Chechnya has its own story. Russia is not afraid to be a federal state; moreover, its strength is precisely in the federal structure. Ukraine stuck on unitarity. It is clear that this is dictated by the owners, it is in the calculation of the collapse of the state, then it will be convenient to shove it in overseas and European pockets.
                    But at the same time, neither side prefers to make sudden movements. There is an exhausting game. Moreover, in the southeast the situation is not so unambiguous as it was in the Crimea. Watching this is unbearably difficult, I want to finally take some sort of radical action, especially since specific ordinary people suffer from this situation. However, moderate patriots, to whom I include myself, have gained patience and are waiting ...
                    Yes, the strength of BB is that he is telling the truth, it is equally important that this is conveyed in simple human language, and therefore ratings - people understand what is happening. Who wants, of course.
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                    Keywords - "With proper management." I am trying to bring you to the idea of ​​the primary role of Putin (the ideas of Putin and his team) and the secondary role of the people. The people liked where Russia was going under Putin. I would not say that it was exactly the right course, but certainly from the abyss.
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                    Ukraine jammed on unitarity

                    Right. Now it is a fact. But in 2000, or a little earlier, the idea of ​​federalization was not accepted with hostility. Great efforts were required to introduce false ideas into the heads of the people, and this goal, unfortunately, has been achieved.
                    In Ukraine, an entire generation of people with dislocated brains is already capable, who laughs in the face of “scoops” and is preying on the USSR.
                    This is the difference between 10 and 25 years of "occupation". There is also a Pepsi generation in Russia, but it did not have time to completely replace the Soviet one - there was not enough time.
                    This is not the fault of the Ukrainians, but the trouble. Really, Russia is an older sister. And she was in trouble at the same time as her younger brother. She managed to save herself and tidies herself up. “And Lenya drowned ... (googles)”
                    We have almost combined our positions smile
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                    the goal is clear, but its achievement, in my opinion, could be more dynamic ..

                    Running ahead is very dangerous here. Crimea, Russia has "technically outlived". With Donbass, this would not have happened 100%. And, by and large, Russia did not need this urgently. The annexation of New Russia would have terrible consequences .. In 2014 (I specify) it would be enough to have a “friendly state”. And this was possible due to economic factors.
                    An attempt to provoke unrest in the southeast of Ukraine in the hope of joining the struggle of Russia is nothing but a stupid provocation, sorry, you will not name.
                    Girkin is not a hero of Donbass. This is a rather shallow adventurer who “put things in order” like an elephant in a china shop. As a result, the United States and its puppets took advantage of this, having received a formal pretext for the use of force, which in itself is very bad, and for fanning anti-Russian hysteria, which is double and triple bad. As a result, all anti-Russian forces were mobilized, all insults beaten by moths were pulled out of the chests, and access to direct communication of peoples was blocked. This is a very long time. One can no longer count on the return of all of Ukraine “under the wing”, for many reasons.
                    But ZapUkr, in principle, was a cut off slice. SE with a competent approach will recover quickly - here “mad cow disease” proceeds in a mild form. But the struggle for the minds of Ukraine itself will unfold serious and long.
                    But that is, that is. We live in fact.
                  11. marna 27 October 2015 01: 46 New
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                    Quote: summer
                    about the primary role of Putin (ideas of Putin and his team) and the secondary role of the people.


                    Good question and far from as simple as it seems at first glance.
                    In the Soviet school we were taught that power and people are inseparable, neither one nor the other can exist without each other. The eternal debate of statesmen and populists on the topic of "what is primary."
                    Recently I read an article by Rostislav Ishchenko "On the people and power" (in my name it is called), so he explains very well there what power is in Russia. Whatever form of power we establish (monarchy, democracy, party power, etc.), autocracy is nevertheless obtained. It justifies why - a vast territory, different ethnic groups, traditions, faiths, etc., and it turns out that only such an autocratic rule can keep Russia in check. If you follow his logic, then the role of the BB and the team is primary, but the people play far from the last role in this vertical.
                    Moreover, I think that the actions that BB is taking in different directions are to a large extent adjusted in accordance with the level of support for the population. If the ratings were lower, it is quite possible that the actions would be somewhat different.
                    In the Crimea ... I would say technically returned what should have remained in Russia during the divorce. But the three heroes in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, apparently, were so “worked with the documents” that they simply forgot to settle this small question. Moreover, the population of the peninsula, in its overwhelming majority, was not at all against finally returning to the place of registration. Donbass is a delicate matter ... Russia helps, and then let people be determined. What will happen to the memory, to be honest, I'm not even interested. But all the southeastern regions, I’m not even talking about the central part ... this is a big problem.
                    Let's hope that Lenya did not completely drown and he will be able to pump out.
                  12. summer 27 October 2015 13: 31 New
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                    We were taught at the school according to the canons of the theory of Marxism-Leninism, some ideas of which have undeservedly become dogmas.
                    A story is happening before our eyes. It has always been since Adam and Eve, but. Information has become widely available. Not all, of course, but we need to learn to read between the lines and not shun poking around in manure. Only now we start to look at life not through a kaleidoscope - all the glasses were poured out in front of us and each one makes up a pattern of them. To the best of their depravity .. wink
                    Moreover, I think that the actions that BB is taking in different directions are to a large extent adjusted in accordance with the level of support for the population. If the ratings were lower, it is quite possible that the actions would be somewhat different.

                    This is the difference between the autocrat and the tyrant. Putin is an “autocrat”, and Yeltsin is the rest ..
                    “Departure” sounds prettier and more expressive than “returned”. Although from a legal point of view, returned. But at the same time, she “depressed” beautifully. smile Alas, they don’t argue about tastes.

                    In the vocabulary of a person, the number "three" is often found. Holy Trinity, three musketeers, three heroes.
                    Are you hinting that in Belaya Vezha they “thought for three”?
                    I think that three little pigs went there, and three Bialowieza pigs returned. am

                    Yes, Lenya didn’t drown, it's just such a joke .. smile
                    He is not “worse than everyone” - this is another Odessa joke. smile
                    But “Lenya” looks very bad.
                    Without outside help, he’s a hap. (There are words in the mov that easily flow into the Russian language .. or should flow).
                    If you don’t know the mov, then what I’m writing now is not an ornate curse or an insult -
                    "Wincing the Zhinka, I hopped the garn of cloth."
                    This is actually almost a compliment!

                    I wish you success and see you on the air again.
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                    In order not to spoil either you or myself the impression of Belovezhskaya Pushcha, I give an indication of relaxation

                    this is a bonus track to all the most Soviet "scoops" - walking excavators!
                  14. marna 28 October 2015 00: 08 New
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                    Thank you, Sergey smile

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                    Are you hinting that in Belaya Vezha they “thought for three”?

                    Of course. When in the 90s BN went to the astral plane and couldn’t quickly emerge so that the population wouldn’t worry, someone around him would say the key phrase on the box that the president was working with documents. Everyone already knew that he usually worked fast.

                    You have patience and good luck!
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            2. BLOND 28 October 2015 04: 30 New
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              ... I will answer about Donbass
              - there were no attempts to provoke unrest in the SE ... on one side there were no
              - the people of Donbass wouldn’t rise; they forced him: this is the banderization of Ukraine (but this was not enough), the return of the Crimea (we also wanted),
              And the main NOD went after the Ukrainian Armed Forces entered the forces on May 2, Odessa, and May 9, Mariupol
              And you don’t have to drive Girkin (I don’t understand what’s happening with him now), but if everyone did as much as he did in the spring and summer of 2014 ....
              R.S. If you are not a troll, please excuse me
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              You from Lugansk are at the epicenter, but I'm not an outside observer either.
              All this disgrace began immediately after the “squeezing” of the Crimea - Bandera played a lead in fear of losing New Russia simply by inertia. ATO began on April 13 after a mess in Donetsk. There were similar ones in Bandera, but they were “right” rebellions. Over all events the USA hung. It’s clear that ordinary people don’t know what emotions you can’t do. In Crimea, the population had a concrete foundation in the person of the RF CCF and the autonomy of Crimea. This was not the case in New Russia. Why did Donbass flare up? The greatest concentration of the Russian population, the smallest percentage of Selyuk, the common border with Russia. I quoted Bismarck earlier, “politics is the art of the possible.” For the politician, even the middle hand, as I think, the rule is to look at the situation 2-3 moves ahead. Economically, Ukraine had already torn the navel and had to fall into the hands like an overripe fruit ...
              Those people who seized state institutions in Donetsk, Slavyansk, Lugansk, Kharkov, etc. gave the junta a reason to use force and begin a punitive operation.
              What is the result of the cavalry attack on dill in the Donbass? Not for me to say, not for you to listen. The main thing that the junta has achieved is that it aroused the people against Russia and got the opportunity a) by creating the appearance of external aggression, by letting out a thick fog, in the troubled waters to "solve" their selfish gesheft; b) lower the iron curtain on information relations with Russia; c) in conditions of informational hunger, to continue to fool the population on an increasing scale, while mobilizing a “war syndrome” for the population, in which the deterioration of people's lives does not raise numerous questions - “we were attacked, there is a war, we must tighten our belts, all the while fighting for Russia”.
              If you look at the matter from this perspective, I would not say that the Strelkov-Girkin, Ponomarev, and Beard case went exclusively to the "benefit of the case." Rather, it only dragged on and exacerbated the conflict.
              Now the law of "preserving profit" is working - if the welfare of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples has waned, then it has arrived at some other (others). Well, and to whom, one wonders, is this at hand?
              And Girkin is a professional adventurer "a la Che Guevara." I cited it only as an example, nothing more. Who really has a frustration! He thought to become a national hero, but, in fact, he simply got confused under his feet and interfered with everything. Alas.
              Yes, still .. Russia could not pull with Crimea in any way - the KChF base was at stake in Sevastopol, and if even the claw of a pin-up-and-eagle stepped there, it would have to be smoked from there by force. Effects…?!?! And New Russia will wait. I’ve waited 25 years, I will wait a couple more years.
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    Do not compare the years of the collapse of the USSR and what is happening in Ukraine now, these are two different things. To help Russia is already tired, how much can you feed the undergrowth, Russia and so paid the debts of the entire USSR, unlike others - tired. In addition, it’s good to “turn on the fool” when Russia is the aggressor for the press, when there is nothing to eat and it’s cold in winter, then beg the aggressor for gas discounts and preferential electricity tariffs. We survived our 90s, many fell asleep from their eyes, including about the fraternal republics ... You got what you wanted, you sat in the huts when the gopota zapadenskaya on the Independence Square made a coup and still sit "mine hut with the edge, "while there’s nothing to eat or until a neighbor with a pitchfork gets into your hut, you are happy with nothing to blame for Russia ... You made your choice.
    Do you want prosperity for Ukraine, so what actually bothers ?! Arrange the next Maidan tea not to get used to, a clear stump what to destroy not to build but not all the time on another's hump to paradise ...
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    Quote: summer
    . Remember Russia and Moscow in the 91st, in the 93rd. Ten years of life under the alkonaut and his pack. What is the merit of the Russian people when Borya “appointed” Putin as “successor”?

    I completely agree. They also sang in ears about “all people are brothers” even under the “Sword”, about “free and prosperous” capitalism, (though they modestly kept silent that it is not free and prosperous for everyone). Also jumped. Where again? In the capital, in Moscow! Where else were the jumps in cities and villages? No matter where. Also demolished monuments. Also: we had the shooting of tanks of the White House, they set fire to the Trade Union’s “right-wingers”. The only difference: we did not have a civil war. Chechnya was not a civil war.
    Now about the Ukrainians.
    Do you know that the author of the article, Alexander Rogers, is also Ukrainian and, moreover, was once an ardent supporter of "European integration"? But he took advantage of his gray matter for its intended purpose and learned from our mistakes. And the rest only on their own? And more than once?
    About relatives. Speak not to push away? There was a sea of ​​articles about how these Ukrainian “relatives” themselves abandoned their Russians, blaming them for all mortal sins!
    And now, when the brain has earned through the backside, they cannot confess and ask for forgiveness from their relatives in Russia. This is ZRADA, we are GREAT Ukrainians! So who repels whom?
    What kind of Humconvoy has already left for Donbass? And how much help did ordinary people all over Russia collect, and then volunteer volunteers, risking their lives, under fire, delivered all this to hungry children? What about Dr. Lisa? Do not remember already? Is the memory short? I'm already silent about coal, electricity and gas!
    You again boil down to the fact that: "We are proud Ukrainians! But because the cross of Russians, always drag us on ourselves!"
    Yes, you feel bad right now. Yes, we are lucky with Putin. Well, there are two options: either wait for your “Putin” or yourself, like Donbass. Scary like Donbass? And how to help those who are happy with everything. A rolling stone gathers no moss.
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      Comrade does not understand ..
      “You again reduce to the fact that:“ We are proud Ukrainians! And therefore, the cross of Russians always drag us on us! ””
      You seem to be discussing with me? Did I say this or mean it? If with me, then I did not say that. If you’ve made it, then don’t address it to me ..
      If A. Rogers was “not only an ardent supporter of“ European integration ”at one time,” I sympathize with him. But ... I didn’t refer to him and hooked him on any side.
      Comrade, when you are talking with a specific person, be kind, do not hang all the dogs on him. Believe me, I can whom you want to talk to, only this is the lot of teenagers.
      Do you have something to tell me on the topic? Tell me. And go out onto the podium and poke a finger from it into the hall? Do not…
      I did not touch on the topic of assisting the Donbass just because I was responding to specific assaults.
      There will be a conversation about humanitarian aid, let's talk about it.
      Summarizing ..
      "There are two options: either wait for your" Putin "or yourself, like Donbass."
      The mentoring of the adviser touches me. Do you yourself have experience like Donbass? Or did you get Putin and the right to advise others with him? Out of place it will be said, but on the territory of Russia only in the North Caucasus had its own Donbass. Are you alluding to this?
      In your attitude to Ukraine and Ukrainians, there is what my fellow countryman Zhvanetsky remarked: “What do you most like when you climb up? Spit down. "
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        In your attitude to Ukraine and Ukrainians, there is what my fellow countryman Zhvanetsky remarked: “What do you most like when you climb up? Spit down. "

        No, my dear, this is not with us, but you have such an attitude towards us. And in 91 and 93 and in February 2014 you stubbornly believed that Ukraine was not Russia. What kind of message did you not scratch a year and a half ago? Did you expect that you will get to the EU? Pension 2 t Euro, Germans will make cars, and the French are expensive?
        And why should I separate you from the Ukrainian people? You yourself write that there is a lot of Jude among you. How can you be separated by someone who is decent and who rides? I have many relatives on the line of my wife with Yekaterinoslav, and it’s clear that they don’t care what power, most importantly don’t touch me. So you live, my house ....
        The only thing I advise you, do not be afraid of a war with Russia, it will not cost you much. Buy a bouquet of flowers and run to meet the liberators (humor)
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          I participated in disputes on ukrosaytah. I note a slight difference. There, my opponents were aggressive banderlogs, and here narcissistic peacocks. But the brains are approximately equally divided.
          I am here as an individual, not as an ambassador or official.
          And you as children - write letters to O. Yankovsky as Baron M. or "to the village of grandfather."
          I am responsible only for my words and deeds, and not for all citizens of Ukraine. I understand that you miss the fresh, but ..
          It is necessary to observe decency. And if you think that in Ukraine everything is zombie, then, without denying this trend, I can say that among you there is also a decent amount of zombies. The sign is only different. But this, unfortunately, indicates that, having hammered a wedge, they reached their goal. The wedge is hammered not between, but between. There is a gap, and it expands with a wedge, BOTH SIDES.
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          No, my dear, this is not with us, but you have such an attitude towards us. And in 91 and 93 and in February 2014 you stubbornly believed that Ukraine was not Russia. What kind of message did you not scratch a year and a half ago? Did you expect that you will get to the EU? Pension 2 t Euro, Germans will make cars, and the French are expensive?
          And why should I separate you from the Ukrainian people? You yourself write that there is a lot of Jude among you. How can you be separated by someone who is decent and who rides? I have many relatives on the line of my wife with Yekaterinoslav, and it’s clear that they don’t care what power, most importantly don’t touch me. So you live, my house ....

          Nobody makes you strain - consider that everyone jumped. Just keep in mind that with this approach you can lose all your friends and allies. And even those two "sacred" ..)))
          Yes .. more .. for the change ..
          You have the gallows humor.

          It’s a great joy that you have nothing to do with Kremlin policy.
          1. ele1285 22 October 2015 16: 26 New
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            1, I am responsible only for my words and deeds, and not for all citizens of Ukraine. I understand, but..
            2, The wedge is clogged not between, but between. There is a gap, and it expands with a wedge, BOTH SIDES.

            3, Just keep in mind that with this approach you can lose all friends and allies.

            And even those two "sacred" ..)))
            Yes .. more .. for the change ..
            You have the gallows humor.

            4, It’s a great joy that you have nothing to do with Kremlin policy.

            So it will probably be easier.
            1, And what, my dear, did you do so that Odessa would not reduce the number of Russian schools, and so did 404? Did you go to the demonstration or, as usual, were there a few days later? What did YOU personally do by reading the history books of Ukraine? Or did they suit you? Will we remember the banning and burning of St. George ribbons?
            What did YOU personally do?
            2, The wedge is not scored in your deck, but between, of course. 25 years of independence are bearing fruit. We have the Unified State Exam, you just have nothing to do.
            3, Russia hasn’t and never had any allies (I recall Churchill’s words, “An ally is just someone who cannot stab you in the back now”), except for the Air Force and Navy. Czechs, Hungarians and other Romanians with Ukrainians we have already been shown this.
            4, I think that this is your personal pichalka, Some people think differently from you.

            Do you know why Russians from Estonia are better treated than you? They even fought for the Bronze Soldier in Kolyvan. And you have profiled, housekeepers, and now help and get out, Mother Russia. You don’t need Russia, but you have a tasty meal and a sweet sleep, since you haven’t taken it to the EU.
            And in Russia, a normal attitude towards you, if not buzz, as in Sverdlovsk.
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              Quote: ele1285

              So it will probably be easier. .


              Young man, I completely do not understand your irony.

              Quote: ele1285

              1, And what, my dear, did you do so that Odessa would not reduce the number of Russian schools, and so did 404? Did you go to the demonstration or, as usual, were there a few days later? What did YOU personally do by reading the history books of Ukraine? Or did they suit you? Will we remember the banning and burning of St. George ribbons?
              What did YOU personally do? .

              Should I report to you on my work?
              Do not forget that your marshal epaulettes are virtual .. If even in the 30s they saved only 40% of their carriers ...
              According to the canons of ethics, you could say - “I did this or that. What have you done? ”
              And just stupidly run over ???? “You were not standing here!” ..
              I recognize the brand of Moscow education ..)

              Quote: ele1285

              2, the Wedge is scored from you, not between the decks, but between, understandably. 25 years of independence are bearing fruit. We have an exam, you just have nothing to do. .


              To hammer a wedge in a deck? Let's get started - I'll see. You confuse a wedge with a cleaver. Squeezing slightly - “In ancient Egypt, bronze wedges were used in quarries for breaking off stone blocks needed in construction. Also used were wooden wedges that swelled after dousing with water. Some Native American tribes used deer antler wedges to split wood and make canoes, shelters, and other items. The wedge principle is used in such tools and tools as an ax, chisel, knife, nail, needle, count. "
              I know Russian much better than yours. I ask you not to read the notations. You see from marshals like Dvorkovich - right from the pot?

              Quote: ele1285

              3, Yes, there wasn’t and didn’t have any allies in Russia (I recall Churchill’s words, “An ally is just someone who cannot stab you in the back now”), except for the Air Force and Navy. Czechs, Hungarians and other Romanians with Ukrainians we have already been shown this. .

              3. Words are usually rushed by people who have no personal experience with allies. Stalin, Nick-2 and the rest of the kings had allies ..
              I recall "Ivan Vasilyevich .."
              “Kemsk volost! - The state will not be impoverished. Take it, take it. ”
              And the competent answer of the swindler Miloslavsky - “What are you, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands ?! That way you can’t save any volosts! ”
              Yes, only a real marshal can so alluringly scatter allies.
              "I remember the words of Churchill" - it's tin .. Nothing that I’m back to you ??????
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                4, I think that this is your personal pichalka, Some people think differently from you. .

                Those. it must be understood that Putin’s messengers are upholstering your thresholds?
                Do you cheat? Are you stuffing yourself a price? ".. well, finally, from the corpse .."

                Quote: ele1285

                Do you know why Russians from Estonia are better treated than you? They even fought for the Bronze Soldier in Kolyvan. And you have profiled, housekeepers, and now help and get out, Mother Russia. You don’t need Russia, but you have a tasty meal and a sweet sleep, since you haven’t taken it to the EU.
                And in Russia, a normal attitude towards you, if not buzz, as in Sverdlovsk.

                I’m not sure that you know where Estonia is, who lives there and what it does. Your knowledge at the level of reading Tolkien's works. Once again, I ask you not to read the notations.
                You, specifically you, specifically I have NOT ASKED FOR ANYTHING.
                And yet .. I perfectly understand that arrogance is not a hallmark of all Russians and even Muscovites ..)
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        And what are you my friend printing under all the flags of the world? From where are you broadcasting, if not secret? First there was the US flag, then the Netherlands, Romania Germany, Ukraine, etc. .... So move fast?)
        1. summer 22 October 2015 16: 24 New
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          I live in a "free" country. Therefore, I go around the corner.
          I came here as I saw fit.


          If you want - I’ll teach ..)))))
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        I realized that I was misunderstood ..)))
        I sympathize with Rogers in that he was captivated by illusions, which, in general, is characteristic of youth ..
        But it passes over time ..)))
        Although some, let's not get personal, manage to gray hair periodically repent that their "demon beguiled" ..
  • Horst78 22 October 2015 13: 12 New
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    summer US Today, 10: 25 ↑ New

    I carefully follow the articles in the VO for several years.

    I don’t take part in discussions, but I worry about the country of my birth –SSSR.

    And today I could not stand it - turned on.

    And not too late to "turn on"? Read the articles for 2-3 of the year in VO and comments on them. In February-March, 2014 had high hopes that everyone would calm down and agree. BUT after Odessa, Mariupol, "300 of Spatans" in Zaporizhia it became clear that To be WAR. And you just now, "Turned on" sad I am ashamed of you hi
    1. summer 22 October 2015 13: 25 New
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      Turned on when turned on. What kind of war are you talking about?
      I want to know about your specific contribution to the cause “if only there was no war”.
      "Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side."
      You can only be ashamed of yourself - I did not promise you anything and should not.
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        Quote: summer
        summer UA Today, 13: 25 ↑ New

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        я you promised nothing and should not.

        Here is the answer to your question.
        Quote: summer
        What kind of war are you talking about?

        It’s better for you to "turn off" back, otherwise the nerves will light up. There have already been cases in VO. It seems that people have always been adequate, but here they seemed to be replaced.
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        I want to know about your specific contribution to the “if only there was no war”

        First of all, dialogues and beliefs. But unfortunately there is a "group of persons" who do not know these definitions. They know how to "jump" current.
        Regards once again hi
        ps such dialogs on VO just 1,5 years ago were on VO. You are somehow late.
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          My dear, do not tell me what to do, and I will not show you the further path of your movement ..

          Quote: Horst78

          There have already been cases in VO. It seems that people have always been adequate, but here they seemed to be replaced. .


          Thank you for warning .. I took a convenient place, stocked up with popcorn and beer.
          Waiting, sir .. Begin ..
          Well..

          Quote: Horst78

          ps such dialogs on VO just 1,5 years ago were on VO. You are somehow late.


          Yeah .. Now some monologues and rather incoherent

          And yet .. What kind of war was yours involved, Vasisualiy, in the Russian revolution ..
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  • andron72 22 October 2015 14: 44 New
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    and that dear we’re sitting on the couch pease .. let's gather rallies, but we’re used to doing everything for you like you and others ... and sit in the country and think about your vision fool
  • neri73-r 22 October 2015 15: 40 New
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    Remember Russia and Moscow in the 91st, in the 93rd. Ten years of life under the alkonaut and his pack. What is the merit of the Russian people when Bora "appointed" Putin as "successor"?
    How did the Russian people bring GDP to power?
    You are just lucky, but specifically YOUR merit is very small. What are you boasting about? Is it only because the group of people who brought Putin to power had first a Soviet, and then a Russian passport?


    Fairly, you will not say anything! But we, if I may say so, have an excuse - we did not have the example that you have, the Ukrainians have our example (Moscow in the 91st, in the 93rd and before the 99th) !!!! ! This doubly speaks of the poor mind of the people!

    And now, standing on the edge of the pit in which Ukraine is floundering, you make fun of it and gossip, instead of at least sympathizing.


    It is by no means pathetic and painful to look at it! It is especially painful that you do not listen to us and do not take into account our past mistakes!

    Okay, this is not about that. What to do? At least, do not push your closest relatives away from you - you will not find the best support for anyone. And do not spare the efforts and financial resources for the rapprochement of peoples. At least, the potential of Kharkov, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa would now greatly strengthen the position of Russia.
    And people here are "more and more spiritual.") (C)


    The first step is to be taken by you, we are Russian (in the broad sense) people are kind, soulful and resourceful, even though you have broken our hands (s), we will hug, hold, feed, and wipe the tears with our feet! It was already passed.
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      But we, if I may say so, have an excuse - we did not have the example that you have, the Ukrainians have our example (Moscow in the 91st, in the 93rd and before the 99th) !!!! ! This doubly speaks of the poor mind of the people!


      Iron logic - Ukrainians are doubly meager. Well, Russian-once? Excuse me, are you not a hell (liberal)?


      It is by no means pathetic and painful to look at it! It is especially painful that you do not listen to us and do not take into account our past mistakes! .


      Your misfortune, dear, that you are captivated by the illusion that the people themselves choose their own path.
      A complete fallacy. The people are a battering ram, an instrument. But where to direct this tool and for what - this is a dark mystery.


      The first step is to be taken by you, we are Russian (in the broad sense) people are kind, soulful and resourceful, even though you have broken our hands (s), we will hug, hold, feed, and wipe the tears with our feet! It was already passed.


      I wouldn’t sniff in your place.

      Putin, unlike you, is a state man and doesn’t throw words in vain. He knows and honors the words of Bismarck - "Politics is the art of the possible."
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        1, Iron Logic - Ukrainians are doubly meager. Well, Russian-once? Excuse me, are you not a hell (liberal)?


        2, And here is where to direct this tool and for what - this is a mystery dark.



        3, Putin, unlike you, is a state man and does not throw words in vain. He knows and honors the words of Bismarck - “Politics is the art of the possible.” [/ Quote]


        Oh my god, what illiteracy, 25 years and pan Bibik rules Ukraine.

        1, Yes, Ukrainians are doubly half-witted, if not triple. We made a mistake once in 91, and you did it regularly. Rake racing is the national sport of Ukraine. You can't put your head on someone else's shoulders.
        2, Ivan IV the Terrible said - "This is a great mystery." Not dark, you should not lie.
        And he spoke about the sacrament when he asked Metropolitan Macarius
        about the disclosure of the secret of the sacrament of Prince Kurbsky. And Macarius refused him. Learn history not from the writings of Professor Bibik, but at least according to Rybakov. Unlearned and idiots.
        3, This is not Bismarck, this is Machiavelli, the work is called "Sovereign."
        You, my dear, horses, people, cartridges and Ukraine mixed up in a bunch of horses.
        Everyone has already understood that you have an upper tailoring education, and you will not see sewing BRUKS, such as in Rio de Janeiro.
        Oh my god, can you really boast about your illiteracy?
        I’ll go play the balalaika, pour vodka on the bear and start the reactor.
        Stopped even minus, no one.
        1. summer 22 October 2015 21: 44 New
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          Dear, your nickname is neri73-r (2) ??? If not, you should at least secure his consent to become his lawyer.
          I didn’t have a conversation with you, ele1285 ...

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          Oh my god, what illiteracy, 25 years and pan Bibik rules Ukraine.

          He is not Bibik, but Bebik ..
          If we are talking about literacy ..
          And the topic is very unfunny ..

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          1, Yes, Ukrainians are doubly half-witted, if not triple. We made a mistake once in 91, and you did it regularly. Rake racing is a national sport of Ukraine. You can’t put your head on someone else’s shoulders. .

          Then I will ask you a question - are you not a hell? Azef is not your cousin?
          If we are talking about literacy ..
          "Double" and "triple" are written that way ..

          Quote: ele1285

          2, Ivan IV the Terrible said - "This is a great mystery." Not dark, you should not lie.
          And he spoke about the sacrament when he asked Metropolitan Macarius
          about the disclosure of the secret of the sacrament of Prince Kurbsky. And Macarius refused him. Learn history not from the writings of Professor Bibik, but at least according to Rybakov. Unlearned and idiots. .

          If Ivan Vasilievich said that "This is a great mystery," this does not bother me; I MEAN to say otherwise .. He did not forbid me ..
          If we are talking about literacy ..
          I did not quote John .. etc. etc. Where did you see quotes there? Or do you have a patent for all combinations of Cyrillic letters?
          Or is it an allusion? Then this is purely your problem ..

          Quote: ele1285

          3, This is not Bismarck, this is Machiavelli, the work is called "Sovereign" ..

          If we are talking about literacy ..
          Maybe in Moscow you said so not only Machiavelli, but also Zarathustra ..
          And in the rest of the enlightened world, this is a quote from Otto von Bismarck - “Politics is the art of the possible.”
          Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen - August 11 Interview with Mr. Meyer von Waldeck on the St. Petersburg Newspaper Petersburgische Zeitung »»

          Quote: ele1285

          You, my dear, horses, people, cartridges and Ukraine mixed up in a bunch of horses.
          Everyone has already understood that you have an upper tailoring education, and you will not see sewing BRUKS, such as in Rio de Janeiro.
          Oh my god, can you really boast about your illiteracy?
          I’ll go play the balalaika, pour vodka on the bear and start the reactor.
          Stopped even minus, no one.

          I strongly recommend that you moderate your arrogance ..
          You dishonor not only Muscovites, but also Russians in general ..
          If we were talking about upbringing ..
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            [quote = summer] Dear, your nickname is neri73-r (2) ??? If not, you should at least secure his consent to become his lawyer.
            I didn’t have a conversation with you, ele1285 ...

            [quote = ele1285]
            Oh my god, what illiteracy, 25 years and pan Bibik rules Ukraine. [/ Quote]
            He is not Bibik, but Bebik ..
            [quote = ele1285]

            Then I will ask you a question - are you not a hell? Azef is not your cousin?
            If we are talking about literacy ..
            "Double" and "triple" are written that way ..
            FOR ESPECIALLY GIFTED, in your DUIN, or in your TROYN. For you just a briefcase, lessons in the morning to school. Although you do not have them.
            [quote = ele1285]

            If Ivan Vasilievich said that "This is a great mystery," this does not bother me; I MEAN to say otherwise .. He did not forbid me ..
            Yes, no one forbade you anything, you in Jewess have profiled everything that you can, cook yourself. Well, you do not need you in Russia.


            If we are talking about literacy ..
            Maybe in Moscow you said so not only Machiavelli, but also Zarathustra ..
            And in the rest of the enlightened world, this is a quote from Otto von Bismarck - “Politics is the art of the possible.”
            Die Politik ist die Lehre vom Möglichen - August 11 Interview with Mr. Meyer von Waldeck on the St. Petersburg Newspaper Petersburgische Zeitung »»

            [quote = ele1285]
            You, my dear, horses, people, cartridges and Ukraine mixed up in a bunch of horses.
            Everyone has already understood that you have an upper tailoring education, and you will not see sewing BRUKS, such as in Rio de Janeiro.
            Oh my god, can you really boast about your illiteracy?
            I’ll go play the balalaika, pour vodka on the bear and start the reactor.
            Stopped even minus, no one. [/ quote]
            I strongly recommend that you moderate your arrogance ..
            You dishonor not only Muscovites, but also Russians in general ..
            If we were talking about upbringing .. [/ quote]
            Well, now I’ll answer, like you. A lot of questions, but we’ll answer what’s convenient. Yes, we’re already used to dropouts.
            So Bebik suits you, but Bibik doesn’t? I’m sorry I don’t understand manure varieties and spelling.
            But Russia save and save, I have nothing to eat, I agree to sell to Chernihiv and sell Yuzovka. I’ll sell everything, just let it go to Russia, I want to eat, they don’t take it to the EU.
            No, pan, eat your Svidomo with a full spoon. You are a year and a half late two year old.

            Well, about the whole enlightened world, where a tailor with a higher education quotes Otto, without looking at the source, do you have a sewing education or a knitwear? At least read someone von Bismarck quoted, and then pretended to be smart. you, but forgiving Ukrainians.
            And that you, so dear, suffered. So do not generalize, I’m just for myself, I’ll just “hut” and now about Muscovites.
            No, my friend, now only to myself. And whom Bismarck quoted and about arrogance and about a rope that no one needs. And about Russia, help and strain.
            Trash is not only the French in the 1812 year.
            And the recommendations you have remained in the House of Trade Unions, where you were in a few days. It is not for you to give me advice.
            We are not relatives, Not relatives with you. All relatives have long been in Russia, and the rest have either bent to their knee-elbow position or pensioners.
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              I got into a quandary, in zugzwang ..
              Any my answer to you will only weaken the effect of your rudeness. You are inimitable! “Die, you can’t say better!”
              Did your relatives not serve in your circus? At the stable? Under the saddle

              However, there are some comments.
              1. According to the procedure. It turned out rather strange - I wrote to you directly at 18:42 and 18:45 yesterday, and you answered my posts to the person with the nickname “neri73-r (2)”. Is this a sign of sclerosis or something more serious?
              2. In shape. “You have to eat!”
              3. In content. “What kind of tanker are you ?!” I mean, Marshal.

              Summarizing - "You can bring a girl out of the village, but the village from the girl never."

              Further to continue the discussion with the "impostor" I do not consider it useful for VO visitors.
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      The first step is to be taken by you, we are Russian (in the broad sense) people are kind, soulful and resourceful, even though you have broken our hands (s), we will hug, hold, feed, and wipe the tears with our feet! It was already passed.

      I can’t understand when you will hug with your feet, where will your crotch be for this pan?
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    Yes, probably already amuse ourselves! In the first half of the year of these problems, we only did that we offered help!
    How many of your refugees have we taken as relatives and given them jobs ?! And by the way, the program is still in effect, take the monsters and go to Russia, whoever wants to. Isn’t Russia pulled Crimea out of this pit? Is not Russia helping Donbas with humanitarian aid and energy ?! More help to Donbas could be fraught with everything ...

    And now our reaction is based on the fact that we saw how other regions are waiting for help, saw how our own "Svidomo" relatives told us on the phone what bastards we were and how they were attacked ... I myself offered help to relatives in Ukraine, and to me in response they say that they do not need help. How does this relate?
    Do you want help ??? Do you need this help ???
    Who needs it - what we are waiting for in Russia, we simply cannot do more! We can't get everyone out! how much we could not break contracts with your industry and worked with you until the last!

    It's just that we, unlike the Geyropa and the USA, cannot offer you a beautiful candy wrapper, we can only show a country that gets out of its hole more successfully than you! But you need a freebie ...

    As for Putin - yes, I admit, we were lucky with him! BUT ... We, the patriots of our country - these are the pillars on which Putin’s government relies. Do you think they didn’t try to overthrow him, do you think in Russia you didn’t try to make another 1991? Yes, they tried, and more than once ... And here OUR merit already begins! We will not let this be done, and we will not allow it! We will go to disperse any Maidan by pitchfork, protecting our power and our well-being!
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      Girl Hanna, did I understand correctly that you are addressing your tirades to me?
      If yes, then I will answer you, if not, then there will be information for general development.
      First, you and only you, identify yourself (the people of Russia) with power. And me with the Ukrainian people. Therefore, in your understanding, “we” solves global policy issues, and “you” is a clinical beggar people.
      Both are dangerous misconceptions. If you had been given the opportunity to make decisions on Ukraine, the “war” would have ended long ago .. On the Kuril Islands .. Your happiness is that Putin has become inadequate on the way. Give free rein to people like Girkin, except for grief and shame, the conflict in the Donbass would not bring Russia anything. Think for yourself, there is no logic in your words - Ukrainians are freeloaders and traitors, and we should not help them, and we help them, and our Donbass and not ours, and we are so cool !!!!!, cooler than boiled eggs.
      THIS IS NOT YOUR SERVICE! If you had a decrepit drunk in power, you wouldn’t even talk about Armata and the T-50. And in Syria, along with pin-dos, they would have wet Assad in the toilet. And they would rule everything in Russia Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky, etc.
      The collective mind exists only in the anthill, and in society - the swan, cancer and pike. Political decisions are made by a narrow circle of people, many of whom we will never know.
      Therefore, this is not necessary - “WE”. People privately help individual residents of Ukraine. Judging by the VO forum, there are practically no sympathizers for Ukraine. So who are these “we” helpers? Or are you stealthily helping, and on the forum you are pouring mud on the forum. The cognitive dissonance? Gap pattern?
      You are a little crazy - when did IT try to overthrow it?

      “And here OUR merit already begins! We will not let this be done, and we will not allow it! We will go to disperse any Maidan by pitchfork, protecting our power and our well-being! ”

      Is he aware of your merits? That's when you and “you” go with a pitchfork, then we'll talk. I want, "so that your desires match your capabilities." I saw the 91st year, and the 93rd, and beyond .. and the "condoms", and your TV with internal enemies through time ..
      And you didn’t see the nifig after 2000 .. And I remember Kiriyenko, and Kasyanov .. In 2003, did you personally see it? You can continue to list your insights .. Zurabov, for example ..

      Now about "you" .. Once again I repeat - I asked you and "you" for help? I asked you not to break the contracts with Our (My) industry? Maybe I "got the rams" and ended up at a meeting of the Security Council of the Russian Federation? Who are you, I do not recognize you in makeup. S.B. Ivanov? Shoigu? Lavrov? Maybe Dimon himself?
      Not you, and not even “you,” resolved with grief in half, not Ukrainian, but Russian problems on the territory of Ukraine.
      I repeat that I am discussing not Russian assistance to Ukraine, but the defense of Russian conquests within the framework of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR.
      I understand that I have chosen the site for such discussions unsuccessfully. The cook, which is on the censor. No, what is in, remains the cook. Even if she was handed virtual officer uniforms. (
      They are zombies and zombies in Africa .. This is not for you, "this is the other who died."

      Pay attention only to the fact that I am not acting as an authorized representative on behalf of anyone. I am I. And you are “we” all the time. For "we" it is very easy to hide our own helplessness.

      This again is not for you. I am generally respectful of women ..

      Benevolently ..
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    Listen, you’re a “Cossack mishandled,” even if you change your flag! You saw everything, you know everything and even the fact that someone took Russia and "pulled by the scruff" out of the garbage! Here's what I’ll answer you, I have had more than 12 years of service in the vast expanses of the current “independent” and I must say that nationalism in the 70-80 years of the last century simply overwhelmed all spheres of life in Ukraine. To begin with, over the course of these 12 years, my wife (a medical doctor by training) has never been able to get a job in my specialty, but I mainly served in "small town Ukraine", and everywhere there was an excuse that you are temporary people etc. etc.! I also want to remind you of the fact that Kravchuk, notorious for everyone about friendship and internationalism and other crap, "crucified" at party events in Kiev, but in fact turned out to be an ordinary descendant of Bandera, who today in his interview tells how he will shoot Russians to the last patron! add that in the course of any drinking with the Ukrainians the question arose that you mos-kali our fat zilya! Well, what can I talk about and who can I sympathize with? Bandera drowned you in wells, burned alive, quartered and the same pravoseki do in the Donbass now, then tell me how do you differ from them? You are accomplices of war crimes and will be responsible for both the Donbass and the Kulikovo field and for all the atrocities of the Kiev junta because of your indifference, and maybe even tacit agreement with them! You expect Russia to come and pull you out of the shit that you happily ran into! Although I understand you, give pennies but as the customs officer Vereshchagin said (I hope you know this character): "... guys I won’t give you a machine gun ...! And pennies the same!
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      Listen, Kolyan, you and I grazed pigs together when you studied at the sergeant school? As you, sovereign, corporal, so they ...
      If in an adult ..
      Mr. Marshal, is it possible somehow without amiconia?
      What are you pouring on me for? Do you personally know me? Have I stolen something from you? Offended your children? Did you dishonor your wife?
      Your concrete merit is that Russia is on its feet, I do not see. Bo I don’t know. And I will not discuss it, because this is idiocy.
      You all laugh with idiots-ukrov .. And all together you make the same repulsive impression as regulars censor.net.
      The same warlike dumb zombies. The pin-dos still got their way - they messed up your mind.
      You have not been given the right to be prosecutors, judges and executioners, either by all of you, or by anyone individually, by the State Duma, the Federation Council, or DAM, or even CAM.
      Poor Russia, when it has such marshals, even cardboard ones. After all, you earned your "stars" from the number of endorsements of readers. This means that your, specifically yours, "kartalovkolya (2)", narrow-minded chauvinism supports a certain and considerable number of people.
      Imagine that tomorrow the DAM will again become the First, and the Second - let's say, Nai .. Nabiullina ..
      Well, you'll chew mostly snot .. about six months ..
      And then, as in the 94th, for the most part you will successfully forget the assault on the Russian Armed Forces .. And the T-50 will become the same legend as the Tu-144 and Buran.
      Leavened patriots are a disaster, not a pillar of power. They would have chants screaming and jumping. Do you think you are blowing this bowl? Under certain conditions, we will see a similar race in the Maidan in Russia.
      I have a specific offer for you ..
      Do you want an information safari (such that you are not killed there)?
      Go to ukrosayty and fight there until you lose your pulse.
      Do you blame the stupidity ukrov? You are their mirror image. Family ties and habits just stick out .. This is the most important evidence that we are one people.) Just the degree of hatred you have is not so high. But this is a matter of time.
      Alas, and ah.
      1. BLOND 25 October 2015 04: 59 New
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        It’s just “some kind of holiday” ...
        I read your posts ...
        You are the best - you could give everyone what you deserved
        - and for literacy
        - and for rudeness (although they themselves are rude! But who needs to be measured more?)
        - you are not the Ukrainian people, you are responsible for yourself, But you have blamed all of Russia, all Russians, all Muscovites .. But you have not answered for yourself
        For myself, I am from the Donbass and now in Russia (this is for your qualified answer to me)
        The opinion that has been created about you (you cannot share it) you are a troll with the formation of a good, dear (must be highly paid) troll!
        1. summer 25 October 2015 20: 49 New
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          Sergei, you might not have to answer, because trolls usually behave this way.
          Of course I'm not a troll. I have a certain value system; I set forth my point of view, mainly, not for pointless squabbles, but for determining the positions of the counterparty and finding common ground.
          Please note that I have always only RESPONSIBLE for ethical violations.
          I will accept any allegations against me if they are justified. And if not, then this is a dumb collision, the desire to "take by the throat." Usually louts themselves are not without sin and they can always be put in place. And it is necessary. To live with wolves - howl like a wolf. They will put me in my place - I will wipe myself, but I will. If I deserve it.
          I have repeatedly explained my position - I discuss here, on a Russian resource, Russia's interests. Why and why is another question.
          From this point of view, your reproaches seem baseless -

          “They accused all of Russia, all Russians, all Muscovites .. But they didn’t answer for themselves”

          Firstly, I did not blame everyone for nothing. If you roll back past discussions, I warned my opponent not to disgrace Russians and Muscovites. But the “Moscow corporate education” was not a secret for anyone back in Soviet times.
          Maybe this refers to the "fermenting patriots"? But these are not all Russians, far from all. As well as not all Ukrainians rode during the Maidan.
          I can blame Russia if it does not protect its interests. And who should I blame for this? America? China? Ukraine?
          Last thing. And most importantly .. In what question did I not answer for myself?
          I wish you success in a new place.
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  • Sharapov 26 October 2015 08: 01 New
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    "More and more sincere" people are sitting in holes, waiting for the next orange-brown Maidan, and they won’t even dare to crumble. I know what I'm talking about - at the very relatives in Khokhlopopia there are 19 people from Lviv, Odessa to Kharkov and Crimea. Oh, I’m braking - five Crimean relatives have already made the right choice ... Russia was not lucky with GDP, but with the lack of the need to suck a banana overseas monkey. A “SUPER-Independent” people cannot be fraternal - you can kiss him everywhere you go to J.PU, because he will face the West.
    1. summer 26 October 2015 10: 20 New
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      You transfer your attitude to the politics of Ukraine to its people. And be contemptuous.
      I recall 1999. Russia stepped aside and allowed to deal with Yugoslavia. It was a Clinton white monkey banana. In 2003, they snapped, but gave a green light to the destruction of Iraq. A banana bush monkey was sucked.
      2011 year .. Given the opportunity to kill Gaddafi-managed to suck a banana of a black monkey .. Then they broke pots with Iran, which Putin still regrets. Again a black banana in the mouth.
      And only when Russia was overlaid on all sides, and the black banana swayed right near the nose, did Russia have the intelligence to try to avoid shame and humiliation.
      Russia has nuclear weapons. She can slam the door loudly. Ukraine does not have nuclear weapons, it does not have Putin - it has Klitschko and Yatsenyuk. You are trying to compare disparate things.
      Russia in the person of its leadership itself has created a lot of problems for itself, but it seems to have taken up the mind.
      In your attitude, I see pride in what you have not done -
      "We do not sow, do not plow, do not build - we are proud of the social system." Not you personally were able to avoid shame, but Putin and his team.
      Therefore, ignoring Putin’s role in “the need to suck a banana overseas monkey” is just babble.
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  • Panikovsky 22 October 2015 11: 18 New
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    Quote: Dembel 77
    The main thing is in the betrayal of the congenial Russian people, for having betrayed only your loved ones only once, you will be rejected forever! Agree, with such a feeling of guilt, a normal person will not live long, I emphasize - normal!

    uv.Vlad! for this you get 100500 pluses from me.
  • spiriolla-45 22 October 2015 12: 54 New
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    Talk well about others. And what could many change, even if they were against it? When I watched the reports about how the drunk was shooting deputies of barricaded deputies from tanks, I was with all my heart against it, but what could I do? Moscow is thousands of kilometers away from us. Everything is done in the capitals, we only, all this dirty tricks, after we disentangle.
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  • mamont5 22 October 2015 05: 45 New
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    “And such a Euro-Ukrainian is sitting in a cold apartment (because they haven’t turned on the heating yet), without work, without money, powerless and useless to anyone, and is engaged in self-hypnosis that he is“ a representative of the oldest nation in the world protecting Europe from the invasion of Europe ”"

    Oh, and for a long time Svidomo will have to sit like that, apparently ...
    1. SPACE 22 October 2015 06: 55 New
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      Oh, and for a long time Svidomo will have to sit like that, apparently ...

      In the Ukraine, the Moors did the job, now it’s irrelevant and it’s not interesting what is happening in Somalia. Another thing is that the local preoccupied local patriots Maidan sometimes aggravates and progresses)))
      Quote: author
      They are worse than children, they are morons. Forgive my emotionality, but I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain.

      The author is indulgent "they don’t use the brain," you can’t use what is not, solid extremes, some in the fog of illusion, others have gastric reality.
    2. 97110 22 October 2015 10: 24 New
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      Oh, and for a long time yet Svidomo will have to sit

      Here I doubt the "long". Such a piece is lying around. It is inhabited by Pinocchio. For the sake of shitting sworn on any stupidity underway. And foxes and cats walk in circles. I believe Ukraine will be quickly capitalized. Well, like Papa Carlo's ABC. While Pinocchio on the image of heat and satiety, painted on the horizon with patriotic colors, stare.
  • venaya 22 October 2015 06: 10 New
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    then they were told that “they are Europeans” and that they really need to join the European Union.

    It is important to convince a person, after which you can do what you want with him. Firstly, trade is based on this principle, as well as other relatively legitimate methods of taking property from "suckers." In this way, they adapted to take away not only personal property, but also entire states. In this case, the media are engaged in the beliefs as usual.
    1. inkass_98 22 October 2015 07: 21 New
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      What they wanted, they got it. Everything goes according to plan.
    2. Belgorod 22 October 2015 09: 40 New
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      While the bouncers live in the world
      We must glorify our fate.
      What a blue sky
      We are not supporters of robbery:
      The bouncer does not need a knife,
      You’ll sing him a little
      And do what you like with him.
      As long as the greedy around
      Good luck we will not lose sight of.
      What a blue sky
      We are not supporters of robbery:
      You don't need a knife for greedy
      You will show him a copper penny
      And do with it what you want!
      As long as there are fools in the world,
      By deception, we live, therefore, with our hands.
      What a blue sky
      We are not supporters of robbery:
      A fool not need a knife,
      You’re lying to him from three baskets -
      And do with it what you want!

      Lap tu bu di bu du give.
      Lap tu bu di bu du give.
      Lap tu bu di bu du give. gimme gimme
      Lap tu bu di bu du give.
      Lap tu bu di bu du give.
      Lap tu bu di bu du give. give give give meow!
      Bark bark
      Bark bark
      Bark bark
      Bark bark
      Bark bark
      La la.
  • EvgNik 22 October 2015 06: 12 New
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    Yes, we have ceased to be surprised, the brains of Ukrainians have gone so far from our understanding.
  • Oman 47 22 October 2015 06: 16 New
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    The Crested One cannot do without another revolution; with the advent of ADEQUATE leaders
    Either - revolution, or - collapse into specific principalities.
  • B.T.V. 22 October 2015 06: 19 New
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    Indeed, they are children.
  • Masya masya 22 October 2015 06: 22 New
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    So it’s not just that he sits and waits, he also demands! The whole world must!
  • Mitrich76 22 October 2015 06: 29 New
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    The most disheartening thing is that (by analogy with a child) the suitcase is heavy, it cannot be pulled away, it falls and does more, but the parents are to blame, not him.
    And these frustrated “non-brothers” also jump around the evrocheodan, they don’t need him at all for anything, there are some problems with him, but those who offer to think about why this is all started is the first enemy.
    And the “child” does not feel any comfort anymore, and it has become obnoxious, and is all bruised, and there is already no feeling of satiety, but so far the suitcase is more interesting. And to whom will he run when he is completely hungry and there will be no place at all in the diaper? And who will rush for comfort? To parents or to those who showed the suitcase?
  • Oleko 22 October 2015 06: 38 New
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    What is the article about? Yes, nothing, about what has already been known for a long time. The fact that life has become harder in Kiev, I know from my mother’s calls to my cousin. There is no discussion of politics, because the sister (the kindest woman, very sick, disabled) suddenly becomes angry, irritable and there is nothing more than “this is your Putin arranged”. What is driven into the head? So much so that Poroshenko still believes. Where did elementary logical thinking go? Or Ukrainians are now going through what we did not so long ago? The drunk president, “young reformers, you see ...” Nemtsov and Chubais, the rampant gangsterism, the IMF bondage, from which the GDP was freed, the crushed military-industrial complex, which is now on its feet. Thunder will not strike, man will not cross himself? Or really, they got so caught up that until you put a face on a table, enlightenment in your brain and do not wait? I do not know. And the great ukram needs to read the article, not us, but this is my personal opinion. There is nothing new in it.
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      And the great ukram need to read the article

      Why should they read this article? wink The TV will tell them everything. And you also need to strain the brain by recognizing all sorts of letters there and unravel the meaning inherent in the sentences ... repeat
  • rotmistr60 22 October 2015 06: 42 New
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    you need to pretend that everything is fine and every day is getting better

    That's about it, they succeeded. Of those places, one can only hear about another "breakthrough" and what a big cookie this time showed to Russia. But this virtual life in the "happiness of Ukrainian democracy" cannot last forever. That is why with even greater zeal they amuse themselves with the thought of their "historical" sources and "historical" destiny.
  • Neophyte 22 October 2015 07: 13 New
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    Our liberals also need to read, we constantly see a certain percentage of renegades opponents of Russia.
  • Shiva83483 22 October 2015 07: 31 New
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    They are worse than children, they are morons. Forgive my emotionality, but I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain.
    One sarcastic question for the author — did he (that is, the brain) have they at least been embedded in the performance characteristics of the saloed, at the time of creation of this misunderstanding by the Creator? As for me, when the brains were handed outthey are morons, stood in line for a freebie ...
  • Arkan 22 October 2015 08: 02 New
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    Forgive my emotionality, but I am always outraged when people do not use their main achievement in the evolutionary race - the brain.


    Class !!! Yes, one gets the feeling that Ukrainian farmer-speaking humanoid primates, because their actions do not fit into the simple everyday logic of behavior (a bird in the hands is better than a crane in the sky).
  • Gormenghast 22 October 2015 08: 11 New
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    But there is no sexual frustration.

    How many Ukrainians yelled that they were not pederasts - but recently it turned out (officials!) That association with the EU still implies "elimination of discrimination against LGBT people"And then Elton John is not satisfied.

    Carnivals with public education masturbation and BDSM; with booths for those who want to immediately try the acquired knowledge in practice - this is the everyday life of Ukraine.

    Every Ukrainian will be satisfied! the truth is not the level and quality of life, but exclusively "sexually". laughing

    PS. Cool, I used the word "g-e-i"; automatically changed to "buggers" laughing
    Apparently, in conjunction with the word Ukrainians, there is only this scientific term. laughing
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      Quote: Gormengast
      PS. Cool, I used the word "g-e-i"; automatically changed to "buggers"

      You need to call a spade a spade, he is a bugger and is full of holes in Africa.
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    Riv 22 October 2015 08: 15 New
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    I liked the analogy with a child and a suitcase, but it is hardly appropriate. Still, we are dealing with adults. Of course, there are those who are children until old age, but most of them still have the rudiments of logical thinking and they simply will not drag a suitcase.

    Here, rather, a national peculiarity takes place. There is an old joke. They are led into a dark room of a German. The German walked around the corners, found a stool in the room and sat on it. And in the seat is a nail. The German pulled out a nail, sat comfortably. Then the same thing with the Russian. The Russian also sat on a nail, jumped up, covered all with mats, bent the nail and also sat down normally. The third crest. He, too, sat down on a stool, jumped up, thought: "Is that what you need?" - and sat down on the nail again. This is the national philosophy of patience. The promises of help from the West and the fact that someone is getting ready for the Ruin very well fall on it, helping to endure. And the Ukrainian will put up a mess further in the hope that everything will somehow form by itself, or Putin will finally come and put things in order.
    1. gramatey 22 October 2015 08: 50 New
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      If someone comes to restore order, then he will be to blame - and the order is not as it should and came late! An army saying is best suited here: where you don’t kiss a soldier, it’s everywhere. So it is: everyone will be guilty except themselves.
      To think? Apologize? To be corrected? - Do not wait!
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        Riv 22 October 2015 09: 28 New
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        I read today: "Red Estuary renamed to Red Estuary":

        http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2442752.html

        Children don’t do that. Only adults can come up with this, which really is everything up to the lantern.
  • rf xnumx 22 October 2015 09: 07 New
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    Frustration as the only way of existence of Euro-Ukraine
    Svidomye thoughts on "no censor"
  • tomket 22 October 2015 09: 07 New
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    And who will say what is happening in Lugansk with the carpenter?
    1. Magadan 22 October 2015 11: 04 New
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      hope the right things happen. Who should be imprisoned.
      That's Ishchenko (who’s like a "political scientist") on the city, but comes in his latest article about the "coup in Lugansk."
      In general, the security forces of Lugansk stand their ground. A thief who had stolen coal at the 350 (obviously not without Plotnitsky’s knowledge) is not released from prison, despite the cries of Plotnitsky (and all kinds of “political scientists” like Ishchenko)
      In a word, I really hope that Plotnitsky will be responsible for both Batman and Mozgovoy and everything else “good”.
  • Zomanus 22 October 2015 09: 51 New
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    As it was written somewhere, horizons at the level of Selyuk.
    He sees no further than the boundary, the maximum of the outskirts of the farm.
    About analytical thinking in general I am silent.
    And why? Yes, because they were allowed everything.
    As from the time of the Union, indulged and patronized,
    and until recently, and now continues in places.
    And there, thinking of a campaign, you feed us, and we will do anything for it.
    And whoever feeds them at the moment, they serve him,
    doing everything and not thinking about the future.
  • trophy 22 October 2015 10: 01 New
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    "They are morons." And that sounds beautiful.
  • akudr48 22 October 2015 10: 15 New
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    I don’t know which science to relate to the problem of studying the motives and results of the behavior of wcdr after all the journeys from overwhelming to hardships and vice versa. That is, repeated stepping on a rake, with harm to the forehead and useless lessons for the brain.

    Maybe to the subtle sections of psychiatry that have not yet been studied properly or the results of field experiments with methods and means of information warfare that have not yet been learned, as required or something else, brought not only from Washington, Warsaw or Brussels to Berlin, but directly from space , from some planet Arkanar.

    If from space I’m spoiling for uk.r. induced, it is an honor to be an idiot for cosmic reasons.

    But it is perfectly acceptable to consider that they are idiots as idiots. - are by birth.
  • 35lisment35 22 October 2015 12: 25 New
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    Ukrainians are the same Russian, it’s interesting, but spitting in their reflection is normal?!?!
  • Avas2006 22 October 2015 12: 27 New
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    It is bad in Ukraine just for people who warned that all these youth joys - marching with "yellow - black" flags, torchlight processions at night, the collapse of monuments, will not lead to anything good. Young employees who were fond of all this somehow settled down, one went to China, designs for an American company, the other moved to live in Poland, finding Polish roots, and the third designs for Moscow through dummies. It is bad for those who are unemployed, on scanty salaries and pensions without the ability to change anything.
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      don’t get stony already angry
  • Mirovey dodson 22 October 2015 12: 29 New
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    "they are children", an unformed new nation. The word -Ukraine appeared a little more than 120 years ago, Ukrainians even later. It’s bad that a growing organism, even at birth, received aggregate damage to the brain, plus an infectious disease. How to treat, than to treat ... can it fall off by itself?
  • Normal ok 23 October 2015 14: 45 New
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    Quote: mamont5
    “And such a Euro-Ukrainian is sitting in a cold apartment (because they haven't turned on the heating yet), without work, without money, powerless and useless to anyone, and is engaged in self-hypnosis that he is“ a representative of the oldest nation in the world protecting Europe from the invasion of Europe ”

    This nonsense takes place only in your head, and not in reality. I’ve been reading this nonsense here for 1,5 years: "they are hungry, cold, unemployed and dream of greatness." Actually, there is a serious decline in the standard of living, but it is by no means a cataclysm as you draw. Figuratively speaking, if before they ate more pork, now they have switched to chicken. In Odessa, where I live, in general, according to the results of 9 months, the city budget surplus is 1 billion. UAH - make roads, etc. And "about megalomania of Ukrainians" - this is online nonsense. In reality, the percentage of such in Ukraine is not more than in Russia. And apparently they are grouped on several sample sites. By the way, over the past year, VO has dropped to the same level. But the main problem is that if the Russians will base their judgments about Ukraine on the info from the zombies, then you really will lose Ukraine forever. And even those who are not against Russia now. Because a lie gives rise to separation between people.