Tactics of the Syrian General Staff raises a number of questions

Tactics of the Syrian General Staff raises a number of questionsThe confrontation in Syria in some places has taken the character of a war of “all against all,” but this does not prevent the government army from developing the well-being of the Russian aviation offensive in a number of key areas. Another thing is that success is heterogeneous and ambiguous. And although the strategic goals of the Syrian general staff are quite obvious, the methods for achieving them sometimes raise questions.


After several days of lull caused by the artificially halted offensive of government forces, fighting in Syria resumed in several key sectors at once. The events around Aleppo brought newness to what is happening, where, for the first time since the beginning of the Russian operation, the opposing sides vividly demonstrated what the “war of all against all” means in practice and how it all ends.

It began with the fact that the pro-Western rebels (the name is conditional: there are Islamists mimicking “democrats” and semi-mythical “secular liberals”) were forced to re-group their forces by transferring units from under Aleppo to the “Homsky front”, where the offensive of government forces if it were a little better organized, it could well overturn them altogether. Parts of the Islamists and the “Westerners” were filmed mainly from the positions north and north-west of Aleppo, where they did not undertake anything active, preferring medieval tactics of siege the fortress.
The ISIS units immediately poured into this weakened zone and, on the backs of the “Free Syrian Army” that had run, took up “serfs” positions around Aleppo. The city and its adjacent territory have been in a circular siege for more than three years, the only difference is that for some time Aleppo and the surrounding area were mainly terrorized by pro-Western forces, and only in the last 10 months the ISIL fighters were drawn to them from the east. The panicked cries that the radicals "are standing on the rails of the Aleppo tram" (there is no tram there - and there has never been, this is just a figure of speech) - is an exaggeration. In the line of sight of the residential areas of Aleppo, the besiegers are crowding, we will repeat, a long time ago, and the appearance of “black flags” in the area of ​​the cement plant did not fundamentally change anything.

Another thing is that the logic of the behavior of government forces initially comes down to lifting the blockade of Aleppo, creating a solid front and restoring a full supply of all the blocked major cities and regions, including by destroying enclaves of armed opposition of different ideological and religious affiliation. Hence, the constant attempts to attack on various, often not directly related sectors of the fronts.

And so, after the rapid advance of ISIS last week north of Aleppo, government forces finally came to action in this enclave. It should be understood that the forces of government troops in the area, which includes the full airfield Kuwaireis, are limited in supplies, and to lead from there a massive attack on ISIL is impossible without destroying militants in the actual rear. What was undertaken.

The troops began to advance in two opposite directions. First, from the region of Nasiriyah to the northeast, to the area of ​​the city of Buraij, in the direction of the base of Kuwairis. The distances there are small, and not mountains, but the plain is an agricultural region with a developed (by local standards) network of roads. The command of government troops apparently decided that ISIS, also now possessing a small margin of safety, is rapidly melting due to air strikes, advancing north of Aleppo, will further weaken its position around the airbase. It was not there.

Russian aviation (most likely, at the request of Damascus) was ironed by the attacking units of ISIL for several days, which apparently should have restrained them, but did not lead active air preparation directly in the offensive zone of Nasiriyah. As a result, government forces were able to enter Buraiju, where they stopped, as they did last week when they attempted to conduct an attack in the direction of Kfar-Nabuby on another sector of the front. The attack on Kuveiris, thus, ended, practically not having begun, and at the moment the attempts to unblock the air base were stopped.

At the same time, the triumphant advance of ISIS north of Aleppo, which lasted 24 hours, was indeed stopped by Russian air strikes, which (in this paradox of the “all against all” war) were beneficial to the pro-Western opposition who had fled; Further attempts by the Islamists to move to the position of the SSA ended in complete failure and dozens killed. The question of whether it was worth supporting an air attack from Nasiriy instead of “holding back” ISIS north of the city remains open. And this question should be addressed to the Syrian general staff, which selects the direction and timing of the attacks, while the Russian VKS only provide this whole thing.

The second offensive of the government troops from the Aleppo area developed much more successfully and even indicatively, but went in the opposite direction - to the south-west. It was a natural and understandable move: the troops began to break through their way to connect with the "main" front in order to release the zone of Aleppo. Relying on Azzan Mountain (the terrain there is flat, and control over Azzanum gave obvious advantages for an offensive using armored vehicles), Assad quickly advanced almost a hundred kilometers, occupying a dozen different settlements and operational importance. Moreover (and this is a very encouraging innovation), the offensive has not stopped and continues to this day, although its pace has slowed down. It is possible that the main operational target is Al-Khader, a large settlement and transportation hub, starting from which you can continue to move to join the front in the province of Hama.

At the front in this province, active hostilities in the area of ​​the "Latamin protrusion" and on the flanks near it actually stopped. On the other hand, government forces continued to advance quite successfully on the front a little to the west, in the valley of Al-Gab (formally, this is Latakia province, but the front is solid here, and the old administrative division of Syria does not matter). For the Syrian army, this is the normal rate of attack, although many could reasonably recall some representatives of the animal world, in particular, turtles. This offensive continues with a common goal on Jizr al-Shugur through Sirmaniyah and Karkor for a week and a half, all repulsed settlements being piles of ruins unfit for life. And what's next, only the drones know.


The offensive in the valley of Al-Gab is limited from the west by a mountain range, which for almost a week they have been trying to storm frontal through the town of Salma, which has been passed from hand to hand several times. This occupation is hopeless, because the war in the highlands will require special knowledge and skills that the cat seems to have cried from the government army. But from a political point of view, an offensive in the Al-Gab valley and an attack on the mountains are extremely important, since in the long term they will give direct access to the Turkish border or even isolate militants and their surroundings in parts throughout the province of Idlib. This embarrasses Turkey, since the supply of militants in such a situation can only be conducted through Turkish territory, which is unacceptable for anyone.

Another serious success was achieved in the province of Homs, where a large enclave of insurgents has existed and flourished for five years, in which several dozen small groups of various orientations were pressed together. Potentially, this enclave in the deep rear was a serious danger to Damascus. In addition, attacks were periodically carried out from it in order to cut off the communications of the government forces. Now the Assad troops, with the direct support of Russian aviation, have finally managed to dismember it in two. Most likely, the enclave will be finished up slowly and gradually, hanging a sign "for the funeral": in the current situation there is no point in throwing large forces, since it no longer represents such a danger as 7 – 10 days ago, when from the last time someone ran out, cutting the road Homs - Hama. There are directions and more important. The same deblockade of Aleppo, for example. Or fighting in the eastern suburbs of Damascus.

The offensive there is extremely slow, taking into account the harshest conditions of a completely destroyed infrastructure, broken residential and industrial buildings, and indeed, dense urban battles have never been a reason for vigorous reports. Government troops managed to recapture several quarters, counting the liberated territory has to be carried out in almost every house, but a positive trend is already visible. If two weeks ago it was believed that ISIS, Dzhebhat al-Nusra and now deceased Jaish al-Fatah were ready to seize the center of Damascus, now they are only sluggishly gnawing with “wandering mortars” and “technicals”, and they don’t even think about the attack.
Something similar is happening on the very peripheral - southern and south-western - fronts. The appearance of Russian aviation was preceded by several local attacks of Islamists in the Deraa region and on the Golan Heights, but now the government army has stopped all these enemy achievements and slowly began to beat the lost back.

The “first speed” of what is happening has already become somewhat straining, but apparently the solution of one or, with God's help, several large front-line tasks will be able to radically change the balance of forces. Now, no frontal offensive by government forces against ISIL is possible without solving problems in the rear, the de-blockade of Aleppo, the Kuwaireis base, the elimination of enclaves and access to the Turkish border (Golan Heights can wait). And we'll see.
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  1. Tatar 174 22 October 2015 05: 46 New
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    Our military generals must be advisers to their General Staff.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 06: 04 New
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      government troops are exhausted, otherwise they would not have asked for help, so there is nothing surprising in the fact that their actions seem passive.
      Quote: Tartar 174
      Our military generals must be advisers to their General Staff.

      Uv.Zemlyak, I think the Syrians have more fighting experience in their conditions, the moral condition of Assad’s army is high (thanks to us), they perked up, but it takes time to bring everything back to normal after defeats. Surely we will see a turning point in the near future, ours the number of combat sorties increased. (private opinion) hi
    2. V.ic 22 October 2015 06: 07 New
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      Quote: Tartar 174
      to their General Staff advisers

      Does Syria have a General Staff?
      1. EvgNik 22 October 2015 06: 49 New
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        Quote: V.ic
        Does Syria have a General Staff?

        Do you have a head on your shoulders, or is it just that?
        1. V.ic 22 October 2015 08: 03 New
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          Quote: EvgNik
          А you have a head on your shoulders, or just the appearance of it?

          A counter question to you: (read above written)?
      2. V.ic 22 October 2015 08: 00 New
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        Does Syria have a General Staff?

        And what has this office done so far? The opponents of Assad, who is directly at war with his troops, do not have a General Staff, however, dushmans quietly tightened a noose around Assad’s neck, until our group intervened! So, gentlemen, the ministers, there is no General Staff in Syria, but there is only a sign with this name.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 11 New
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          Quote: V.ic
          And what has this office done so far?

          look at the map of fronts, questions will disappear ....
          1. V.ic 22 October 2015 08: 41 New
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            Quote: Andrew Y.
            look at the map of fronts, questions will disappear ....

            Six months ago or annual?
          2. Ramzaj99 22 October 2015 17: 59 New
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            Quote: Andrew Y.
            And what has this office done so far?

            In fact, this "cantor" has been fighting for 2 years, in fact against America and NATO and terrorists from around the world, and is still alive ...... have respect .......
            1. Kasym 23 October 2015 02: 36 New
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              In fact, there are already Russian and Iranian representatives of the General Staff there, and without them, an offensive is hardly planned. Another thing is why there is no "central direction of the offensive" !? The offensive is going on in different places and the successes so far are local. The reason is apparently in tactics. To hit in different directions, apparently for the enemy it is difficult to transfer supplies, people and weapons from one region to another. With such tactics, it is probably easier to identify the warehouses and logistics of terrorists. Depriving of ammunition, in fact, the militants will have nothing to fight. First of all, it refers to heavy weapons and their ammunition. The enemy’s armored vehicles are practically invisible. The bandits burrowed like moles in the population. points, fighting in open spaces is not visible. And it seems to me that everything will end with boilers in us. points.
              They “poison the beast” in such a way that it is impossible for them to escape because of the aerospace forces, it remains to dig into us. points. Ammunition is sprayed in all directions, and the ability of the militants to attack has decreased significantly - there is no way to concentrate large reserves somewhere. Previously, they beat the Syrian army everywhere unexpectedly, now they are being "threshed" in the same way. It is necessary to prepare for the fact that it will be necessary to "smoke" them out of all the holes - and this will not happen quickly - they managed to dig there for 4 years. If in the Caucasus mountains, then in Syria "holes". hi
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        2. SSR
          SSR 22 October 2015 09: 01 New
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          Quote: V.ic
          Does Syria have a General Staff?

          And what has this office done so far? The opponents of Assad, who is directly at war with his troops, do not have a General Staff, however, dushmans quietly tightened a noose around Assad’s neck, until our group intervened! So, gentlemen, the ministers, there is no General Staff in Syria, but there is only a sign with this name.

          How would you answer? ...... Do not tell me how the Ishilites who did not have heavy equipment began to squeeze equipment and take entire cities of Iraq? .... This is so for reflection and, to be honest, it’s not bad to read other articles.
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          look at the map of fronts, questions will disappear ....

          Six months ago or annual?

          I didn’t "catch", or sarcasm .....
          Messages from the lord of the Sith, look, there were the freshest cards (this is one offhand).
        3. MACCABI-TLV 22 October 2015 09: 05 New
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          Quote: V.ic
          The opponents of Assad, who is directly at war with his troops, do not have a General Staff, however, dushmans quietly tightened a noose around Assad’s neck, until our group intervened!

          based on the reports of the VKS press service, terrorists have at least more than a hundred headquarters hit by missile and bomb strikes. And on the basis of how well they are holding, the creation of GS for them is more minus than plus.
          You wanted to say that the General Staff of Syria exists, but is not effective !?
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          2. Asadullah 22 October 2015 11: 20 New
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            based on the reports of the VKS press service, terrorists have at least more than a hundred headquarters hit by missile and bomb strikes.


            The main thing is that at these headquarters, someone else was amazed.

            This article appeared in the View a few days ago. The author, to put it mildly, is an amateur who has run out of chips, but goes to the stall, is afraid to miss something interesting. During the Great Patriotic War, he was allowed to pay for such a scribble. Not from evil, but to order.
        4. mirag2 22 October 2015 10: 28 New
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          Opponents of Assad, who is directly at war with his troops, do not have a General Staff, however, dushmans slowly tightened a noose around Assad’s neck, until our group intervened
          - Assad’s opponents have such a “shadow general staff” with advisers from the United States, Saudi Arabia, etc., what the hell. There, hired specialists earn LV.
          1. Asadullah 22 October 2015 11: 22 New
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            "shadow general staff" is available


            Not shadow, but the most real, in Jordan. With a general from Qatar.
        5. Otshelnik 22 October 2015 23: 12 New
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          Yes, they didn’t do anything, with the exception of several states they fought against the rest of the world ..
      3. opus 22 October 2015 11: 09 New
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        Quote: V.ic
        Does Syria have a General Staff?

        Yes.
        The organizational structure of the Syrian armed forces
        MO and GSH

        The General Staff is in charge of the operational management and staffing of the armed forces, and the development of plans for their use. The General Staff has the following main departments: operational, reconnaissance, organizational and mobilization. The chief of the general staff is assigned the duties of the first deputy minister of defense and the commander of the ground forces. In operational terms, the commanders of the armed forces and military branches are subordinate to him.
        It is understandable
        USSR military assistance, which included the supply of weapons and military equipment, the sending of Soviet troops to the SAR as military advisers and specialists, and the organization of the training of national military personnel. Currently, the SAR Armed Forces maintain military-technical contacts with China, the DPRK, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria and several other states.

        There is a GS, but the effectiveness of its actions ...
        Arab-Israeli wars: 1948 - 1949, 1967, 1973 - 1974 and 1982
    3. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 06: 32 New
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      Our military generals must be advisers to their General Staff.

      Here the author is sent there, sitting on a sofa in Russia, he is much better than the Syrian generals and our advisers who are there, he knows how to quickly win and what needs to be done.
      1. afdjhbn67 22 October 2015 06: 59 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here is the author to send there, he is sitting on a sofa in Russia

        Sasha often reading your comments, I think - can we not write anything at all? True, I’m writing not on the couch, but in the chair, but still ... laughing
        1. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 07: 01 New
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          Quote: afdjhbn67
          True, I’m writing not on the couch, but in the chair, but still ...

          A chair is a completely different matter, it’s more convenient from a chair wink
          1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 07: 23 New
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            if there is no common enemy, people bite each other ... laughing laughing laughing
            1. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 07: 42 New
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              well, people bite each other ...

              I'd rather drink, and there at the table after 5 bottles the enemy will always get enough laughing
              1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 07: 55 New
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                Sasha, Sasha ... what can I say: http: //topwar.ru/84479-kak-alkogol-pobezhdaet-stranu.html#comment-id-509
                8560 laughing laughing laughing
              2. andj61 22 October 2015 07: 56 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: Andrew Y.
                well, people bite each other ...

                I'd rather drink, and there at the table after 5 bottles the enemy will always get enough laughing

                Of course - after the fifth bottle, the fight against "helicopters" is always in full swing ... bully drinks
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      2. Asadullah 22 October 2015 11: 27 New
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        Here is the author to send there


        Yeah, to collect a hundred more of these authors in an assault company, give Zhenya a parabellum, draw stars on the shoulder straps and forward, storm the abreks. The benefit is undoubted, in the media there will be less game.
    4. donavi49 22 October 2015 08: 23 New
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      AND? The developed operation will crash at the execution level.

      A couple of weeks ago there were pretty talking videos of the advance of the SAA marching column. TOU flies into them from the roof of the house = gets into the column, the tank is intact. What does CAA do? Could it be unfolding in order? Maybe moving away? Can it cover itself with smoke and cause art support, simultaneously leading a harassing fire? Not! Pret the same column, not even adding speed. The second TOU flies in them, the column was gone - the tank burned down. And all from one roof, one operator and a teenager charging done. Then the third in the BMP. Then the fourth is already on the tank standing in the field.

      The artillery preparation in the area of ​​the offensive was - but four hours before the advance. Its effectiveness is zero with such timings. But in the news was something to show.

      To each officer from the major in the head to drive the basic tactics of attack, movement, retreat? And in general, drive them what should have been driven into the military commissar. So this one will take many months ...

      If without this, then any operation will fail on execution, at least someone would have planned it.
      1. alicante11 22 October 2015 10: 14 New
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        A couple of weeks ago there were pretty talking videos of the advance of the SAA marching column. TOU flies into them from the roof of the house = gets into the column, the tank is intact


        Do you seriously think that it was a real movie, not an Al Jazeera decree?
        I personally deeply doubt that when a column of even unshooted boys is "worked out" from ATGM, they simply stupidly continue their movement "without even increasing speed." Still, this is not the 18 century, which slowly crawls under the fire of cannons, the cores of which make clearings in it, and it closes the ranks again. So either there was no video, or it was a resolution of Al-Jazeera.
        1. BARKHAN 22 October 2015 13: 52 New
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          I saw this video. There the landing behind the tank didn’t even react to the hit, the crew alive but burnt out ran away but fell under the rifle. Pearl was a dense column with almost no intervals, a fact. We didn’t spot either the place or the launch direction - fact. it’s not at all understandable. But the militants calmly, as if on a dash, didn’t scamper around them. They could have covered themselves with smoke and something. They crawled there for a long time. Such a poor performance turned out. .
          1. alicante11 22 October 2015 14: 06 New
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            .Not frail such a statement turned out. We need to learn, especially to us, as long as there are other people's mistakes.


            Well, taking Tripoli will be cooler, but nothing worked.
      2. Vanogog 22 October 2015 12: 50 New
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        Conclusion: for each battalion, an adviser (specialist)
      3. Metlik 22 October 2015 14: 11 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        To each officer from the major in the head to drive the basic tactics of attack, movement, retreat? And in general, drive them what should have been driven into the military commissar. So this one will take many months ...


        In war, people learn faster. No matter how we want quick victories, it is more important to keep as many people in the SAA as possible and teach them how to fight well.
  2. venaya 22 October 2015 05: 51 New
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    war in the highlands will require special knowledge and skills

    After the victoriously voiced victories of the Syrians, the number of articles on serious problems of the Syrian army itself is increasing day by day. I understand that there is an opportunity to send advisers, but it looks like it should have been done the day before yesterday. What now? Hope only for the Iranians? Also not clear.
    1. Slobber 22 October 2015 10: 53 New
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      I understand the ability to send advisers exists

      Most likely, advisers from all the regions there are available, including from Asia. And yes, now all hope for the Iranians, the Syrians and the Hezbollahs are already specifically tired.
    2. Victorio 22 October 2015 11: 52 New
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      Quote: venaya
      war in the highlands will require special knowledge and skills

      After the victoriously voiced victories of the Syrians, the number of articles on serious problems of the Syrian army itself is increasing day by day. I understand that there is an opportunity to send advisers, but it looks like it should have been done the day before yesterday. What now? Hope only for the Iranians? Also not clear.

      ===
      I think before the start of the VKS operation, options for the development of events were calculated taking into account the state of the SAR troops. as an option they counted on joint efforts with the West, maybe only part of the country could be reconquered, well, other options
  3. Oman 47 22 October 2015 05: 51 New
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    Without cutting off the supply and financing of ISIS and the like, “head on”, the war in Syria will drag on for years ...
    1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 06: 06 New
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      Quote: Oman 47
      Without cutting off the supply and financing of ISIS and the like, “head on”, the war in Syria will drag on for years ...

      So they try to cut them off from the sea. yes
      1. andj61 22 October 2015 08: 00 New
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        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Oman 47
        Without cutting off the supply and financing of ISIS and the like, “head on”, the war in Syria will drag on for years ...

        So they try to cut them off from the sea. yes

        Is it from the sea? So far - from the Turkish border. And then, perhaps, it will come to Iraq. Or do you mean the Persian Gulf through the territory of Iraq?what
        1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 46 New
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          Quote: andj61
          Is it from the sea?

          both from the sea and from the Turkish border. We look at the military operations scheme, especially since we are interested in making the coast "clean" ... hi
      2. atalef 22 October 2015 09: 54 New
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        Quote: Andrew Y.
        Quote: Oman 47
        Without cutting off the supply and financing of ISIS and the like, “head on”, the war in Syria will drag on for years ...

        So they try to cut them off from the sea. yes


        hello, Andrey, in general, their main weapon is from Iraq and the captured Syrian, in general, they don’t have access to the sea
        1. Asadullah 22 October 2015 11: 32 New
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          in general, their main weapon is from Iraq and the captured Syrian


          From Jordan, too, dear. Just what is most effective against armor.
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            From Jordan, too, dear. Just what is most effective against armor.

            Let from Jordan. Is that Hashim? Well, what is licensed in Russia?
            1. Vanogog 22 October 2015 12: 53 New
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              Another t90 to sell to the Saudis, and then t90 will appear in Syria (among the bandits)
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              Yes, waking you my friend, the weapon is subjective, and is a consumable for someone who is imprisoned for this "expense". Turkish militant specialists will be trained to spend on the appointment of Hashima, Hashima will appear. But Jordan is just a platform, local Hashemite kings, by agreement, will let in and place not only militants with instructors on their territory, but a herd of pigs who will be kissed daily, exactly the same as persuasion. No matter how the Israelis do not know about this, is not it, dear friends? wink
    2. donavi49 22 October 2015 08: 14 New
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      From which sea? They have no sea. Only the Turkish border in the north and the Jordanian in the south, where Allah regularly gives gifts.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 49 New
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        Quote: donavi49
        From which sea? They have no sea.

        oh how! the word Tartus, does it mean anything to you? (close to Damascus, 200 kilometers or so) winked
        1. donavi49 22 October 2015 09: 09 New
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          So the whole coastal Latakia under the complete control of government troops. And they don’t really like baboons there, that is, if the baboons break out of the mountains, then there will be quite a people's war, for Latakian population two ways - win and survive or become heroes of the HD kin without special effects / slaves for 15-20 bucks in Idlib or Raqqa, depending on what kind of baboons will capture them. And no one is building any illusions. Islamists, moderate and IS equally declares - Alawites and Latakian Christians under the knife.

          The broads have no sea, see maps. The positions closest to the sea in the Mountains, but there still have to break through and break through.

          Red is Assad.
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          2. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 43 New
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            The broads have no sea, see maps. The positions closest to the sea in the Mountains, but there still have to break through and break through.
            that is, the fact that TAM has to keep troops doesn’t mean anything? ... well, you are a strategist ...
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            Monthly map
          4. Asadullah 22 October 2015 11: 40 New
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            become heroes of the HD kin without special effects / slaves for 15-20 bucks


            This is in the case of the adoption of a new faith. After that, they "voluntarily", until the end of life, must fulfill their sin. For the food.
      2. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 09: 12 New
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        From which sea? They have no sea.

        So, well this is already 6 bottle.
  4. iliitchitch 22 October 2015 05: 52 New
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    Something tells me if he will come, the day of the victory of the Syrian army. Right because. Beat the scoundrels face. Do they even have an ideology, well, at least some other than the destruction of everything and everything?
    I remember who tried to build a new world here who was nothing. From nothing, nothing happens. And the ideology was, instead of Christ Ilyich. The results are not impressive (I’m talking about the standard of living). Achievements were, but porridge slurp for a long time yet.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 06: 09 New
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      . These have at least an ideology, well, at least some other than the destruction of everything and everything

      of course the caliphate ...
    2. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 06: 34 New
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      Something tells me he will come, the day of the victory of the Syrian army

      It is impossible to win this warrior, you can only conquer a part and divide Syria into zones of responsibility. In the end, two or three states.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 06: 53 New
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        Quote: iliitch
        Something tells me he will come, the day of the victory of the Syrian army

        It is impossible to win this warrior, you can only conquer a part and divide Syria into zones of responsibility. In the end, two or three states.

        I think Sanya, the main thing for Assad is the coast. Whoever controls him is Papa. and the breakdown of Syria into two or three parts is a balm for the states, this cannot be allowed, otherwise the “kapets” to all good intentions. hi
        1. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 07: 04 New
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          and the breakdown of Syria into two or three parts is a balm for the states, this cannot be allowed, otherwise the “kapets” to all good intentions.

          The Kurds will create their own state, consider the fact. Part of Syria will still be scumbags, the question is what.
          Andrea hi
          1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 07: 20 New
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            if the Kurds agree with Assad, then perhaps this is not a bad option, if only they wouldn’t unwind further! and then, if Shiite-Sunite-Alavite, separate republics will appear, do not wait for good ... Alexander hi
            1. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 07: 43 New
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              and then, if the Shiite-Sunite-Alavite, separate republics appear, do not wait for good ..

              Well, they will live, as in Lvii, and that's all. Although no, they will go to Europe for happiness. It’s also normal, there Merkel will warm them.
              1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 07: 57 New
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                Merkel warms up.

                Germans, as it were, of a different opinion ... what
                1. Alexander Romanov 22 October 2015 09: 16 New
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                  Germans, as it were, of a different opinion ...

                  It seems to me alone that she does not care what the Germans think.
                  Mohammed squats in Berlin and spits on the ground through a hole in his teeth. Suddenly a fairy appears and says:
                  - I am a socialist social liberal fairy! I flew to fulfill three wishes!
                  - Look, what a hole in my mouth! I want to be cured and put in all my teeth!
                  Before Muhammad could utter these words, the law on free treatment and prosthetics for social foreigners immediately came out, and his mouth shone with a snow-white Hollywood smile.
                  - I really miss my four wives and fifteen kids, as well as my parents, brothers and sisters, parents and siblings of my wives! I want us all to live in a luxury villa, and always have a lot of money!
                  Mohammed did not have time to finish, as he ended up in a beautiful villa! On the table is the text of the law on family reunification for social foreigners, as well as bank printouts with information about the benefits received. The house is fully furnished and equipped with electrical appliances in accordance with
                  the law on assistance in acquiring furniture and household appliances for social foreigners.
                  Happy Muhammad simply does not know what else to ask him, because one desire still remains. And he asked:
                  - I want to become a real German. Not only by citizenship. I want to be a blue-eyed blond, and that my name was Fritz Schulz!
                  Before he could finish the sentence, when everything had disappeared, he found himself squatting again and spitting on the ground through a hole in his teeth.
                  - What happened? He asked the fairy.
                  - It’s not a shame, Mr. Schulz, to beg the state! You must take care of yourself! Go and look for work!
                  1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 23 New
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                    Sits Muhammad

                    Well, yes, yes, it's funny ... yes
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                    It seems to me alone that she does not care what the Germans think.

                    and she doesn't give a damn what the Omerikans think ... then you're right ... hi
          2. MACCABI-TLV 22 October 2015 09: 12 New
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            The Kurds will create their own state, consider the fact. Part of Syria will still be scumbags

            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            It is impossible to win this warrior, you can only conquer a part and divide Syria into zones of responsibility. In the end, two or three states.

            Weighted and objective position. good
            1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 09: 24 New
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              Weighted and objective position.

              Of course, have you identified a "zone of influence"? wink
              1. Hello 22 October 2015 20: 53 New
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                Of course, have you identified a "zone of influence"?

                But did you doubt it? But seriously, Israel maintains good relations with Iraqi Kurds wink
              2. MACCABI-TLV 23 October 2015 00: 06 New
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                Of course, you have identified a "zone of influence"

                plant me along the border (on the other side) of friends' villages. That will be enough.
          3. atalef 22 October 2015 09: 57 New
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            and the breakdown of Syria into two or three parts is a balm for the states, this cannot be allowed, otherwise the “kapets” to all good intentions.

            The Kurds will create their own state, consider the fact. Part of Syria will still be scumbags, the question is what.
            Andrea hi

            Kurds will not create, Turkey will not, and Assad’s promises to the Kurds are absolutely worth it, as much as Assad now controls Syria
        2. atalef 22 October 2015 09: 56 New
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          Quote: Andrew Y.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: iliitch
          Something tells me he will come, the day of the victory of the Syrian army

          It is impossible to win this warrior, you can only conquer a part and divide Syria into zones of responsibility. In the end, two or three states.

          I think Sanya, the main thing for Assad is the coast. Whoever controls him is Papa. and the breakdown of Syria into two or three parts is a balm for the states, this cannot be allowed, otherwise the “kapets” to all good intentions. hi

          for Assad, the main sea of ​​shopping mall is the Alawite enclave, but for the Sunni Syria, the sea is important, so the war is for years and this is understandable
    3. EvgNik 22 October 2015 07: 08 New
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      The results are not impressive.

      You need to think. Won the Second World War. By what efforts, by what blood. It was necessary to restore everything again. Corncracker Nikitka ruined a lot. Brezhnev’s stagnation, when everyone was floating along the stream of the sleepy river. However, all the oligarchs grew up on these results, which are not impressive to you. Until now, all communications in the buildings of the buildings of the USSR. (Unless in new buildings - modern). But the main housing stock is from the times of the USSR. And how many fortunes have grown in the sale of scrap metal to the West? Recently, the monument to E. Leonov was sawn and sold. We still use what has been accumulated people THE USSR. And these are unimpressive results? You should be ashamed. And we disentangle the porridge precisely because we have turned off our path.
      1. Svetlana 22 October 2015 08: 35 New
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        However, all the oligarchs grew up on these results that are not impressive to you.

        In the possession of the USSR, the world financial clans enriched themselves even steeper than before. And here we are observing the remaining after this devastation and are trying to sort out some porridge. Someone else is trying to blame the “brainless corrupt communists” of a failed attempt to build a better society in the world. But they just can’t understand that such a society was almost built when the corn traitor began to destroy it, paving the way for Gorbachev’s perestroika. And to compare the savages, dismembering living people and destroying ancient shrines, with our ancestors, who for us created the Great Empire with equal rights for everyone, is simply disgusting and blasphemous. I agree with you.
    4. andj61 22 October 2015 08: 08 New
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      I remember who tried to build a new world here who was nothing. From nothing, nothing happens. And the ideology was, instead of Christ Ilyich. The results are not impressive (I’m talking about the standard of living). Achievements were, but porridge slurp for a long time yet.

      The results are just quite impressive - even about the standard of living. It was impossible for a country with a population of 250 million to withstand open enemies with a population of under 800 million and at the same time feed - literally - and arm even not allies, and it is not known who with a population of 2 billion. That’s overturned ... These were burps of world theory revolution. They did not reject it completely along with Trotskyism, and so they got a mine under the building of their own country.
      1. Svetlana 22 October 2015 11: 42 New
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        They did not reject it completely along with Trotskyism, and so they got a mine under the building of their own country.

        The theory of the world revolution was just completely rejected, and successfully opposed world imperialism, survived two terrible wars, revived and flourished, but the mine was planted with the remaining unfinished Trotskyists in the person of a corncob and his comrades.
  5. Marconi41 22 October 2015 05: 55 New
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    You can send our General Staff to the Papuans, whether there will be any sense. The Syrian army is very exhausted by the war. That is why ours are waiting for the Iranian contingent and supply Assad with new weapons. It would not be bad to cooperate with the Kurds, but the United States privatized them. By cut, a very significant victory is needed to raise morale, for example, the complete liberation of Damascus. However, a bunch of Syrian men flee to Europe. So this war will not be fast. I hope our pilots will be as lucky as before.
    1. Haettenschweiler 22 October 2015 06: 54 New
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      By cut, a very significant victory is needed to raise morale, for example, the complete liberation of Damascus. However, a bunch of Syrian men flee to Europe.


      - While Europe is gloatingly watching the war in the East, the Arabs are gradually turning Europe into Syria. 750 policemen guard the tunnel through the English Channel from refugees, and the French minister asks for help from the army; apparently, there is no hope only for police forces. There, of course, are not only Syrians. But, I think, the Europeans will not care who cuts them - Libyan, Syrian, Iranian ... and small-town clashes have already been, and still will be, more than once. This is the price of the policy of condoning USA games in the East.
  6. Nitarius 22 October 2015 06: 04 New
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    Patience ... and more patience! Experience itself does not appear! Our young and Syrians need experience!
    The experience of warfare! Future wars .. God forbid! just will be in the Cities Millionaires!
    So .. EXPERIENCE and EXPERIENCE again!
  7. Mountain shooter 22 October 2015 06: 04 New
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    Apparently, Assad is precisely why they "invited". Russia does not need a sluggish war for years. But the Syrian army is demoralized and no longer understands what a strategic initiative is.
    1. atalef 22 October 2015 10: 01 New
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      Apparently, Assad is precisely why they "invited". Russia does not need a sluggish war for years. But the Syrian army is demoralized and no longer understands what a strategic initiative is.

      the Syrian army is the Alawites and they will not climb into the Sunni enclaves, and in general, if someone thought that a fairy in the face of 50 aircraft could turn the tide of the war - this is a mistake, they can help the ground forces, and fight the infantry and tanks all the same - but with the fighting efficiency of these troops and morale - the problem
  8. Wolka 22 October 2015 06: 11 New
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    and why be surprised, typical Arab tactics, nothing has changed, read the memoirs of famous commanders participating in the Russian-Turkish wars ...
  9. V.ic 22 October 2015 06: 12 New
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    May Allah Assad and his comrades-in-arms catch their breath ... So far, our aviation group has only a little shredded Wahhabi grip on the throat of Damascus. Well, and then, as in a joke: "we will shake the herbs, take a sip of water, quietly go down and re ... love the whole herd!"
  10. snifer 22 October 2015 06: 13 New
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    The war in Syria shows that, like in the last century, the most difficult thing is to break through a well-organized enemy defense. No bombing and cruise missile attacks can break into a well-prepared defense, you need artillery, tanks and infantry and well-organized logistics to provide all the necessary military equipment the time of the offensive, but the Syrian army has a problem with this.
  11. igorra 22 October 2015 06: 14 New
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    So Assad was pulled on the carpet to Putin, I hope he was popularly explained the role of the General Staff in the war. Arabs fight much against a weak enemy, and a little stronger - they run to the nearest "Canadian border".
  12. Nehist 22 October 2015 06: 25 New
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    Assad’s army is not only exhausted, resources are also depleted, logistics are disrupted, which naturally does not add pace to the offensive. It would be strange to expect high rates of advance, plus urban battles themselves, as one of the complex types of databases, do not contribute to the rapid advancement, and of course, everything is against everyone. We have to defend ourselves with the so-called opposition, which seems to be "neutral"
    1. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 07: 13 New
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      It would be strange to expect high rates of attack, plus urban battles themselves as one of the complex types of databases

      At the same time, Alexander, as you rightly noted, the urban fights in Syria are fundamentally different from everything that we saw and knew before. they don’t rush to “clean” buildings, they stupidly water each other from a distance, and from such that “Kalash” only gets it in the form of PKK, and a little closer, the RPG works. with such tactics, rapid advancement is impossible, although it is probably rational in order to maintain L / C. hi
      1. Vadim237 22 October 2015 10: 01 New
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        It’s bad that we don’t have combat drones there, equipped with thermal imagers and missile-bomb weapons - just the technique for destroying small groups on cars and in ambushes.
  13. iliitchitch 22 October 2015 06: 38 New
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    So Assad was pulled on the carpet to Putin, I hope he was popularly explained the role of the General Staff in the war. Arabs fight much against a weak enemy, and a little stronger - they run to the nearest "Canadian border".


    Well, no way, you can’t do without a land operation. I don’t want to, but I need to. Some kind of curse hangs on us. Constantly got into conflicts, nafig not needed. Well, after all, the marines will fill the faces of everyone. Until they bite off in full, they don’t understand.
  14. Barakuda 22 October 2015 06: 57 New
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    It would not hurt to attach a map to the article.
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    2. Andrey Yuryevich 22 October 2015 08: 06 New
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      I will try to help:
  15. Raider 22 October 2015 07: 01 New
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    After the "capricious" articles, this one is closer to the real one. It is clear that aviation cannot solve the problem. Assad is also probably hard, internal political and personnel problems are also enough. I think our advisers understand all this better than we do and work on the bugs is underway. But we need to look at the future and teach new officers in schools, it is they who will later become the basis of the Syrian army and the country's elite. They have enough practice, now they need to mix it with the theory and experience of others. Remember one Chechen? And compare with 1. We also studied, unfortunately from our mistakes. The war with ISIS will end, the struggle for power will begin, I think it is the proven and reliable fighters that will become the support of President Assad. Good luck everyone!
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    Well, do not tell me in the morning. Wrong mood on Thursday morning to listen to the Petrosianism. What is the "tactics of the Syrian General Staff"? There, in the linear units, the vast majority of soldiers are yesterday's peasants, for whom even an assault rifle is an incomprehensible shaitan machine. The monkey is really smarter. With a more sophisticated technique, even trying to teach them is useless. The officers are the same.
    Why was ISIS crushing the Syrian army? Yes, because professionals are hired and paid to them (at least to those who survive). So there is no need here about some tactics with strategy. A soldier must be trained seriously, as was done in Soviet times. Egypt prepared the army so that the school is still felt. The same thing must be done with the Syrians - to cook them. To bring to Russia, to train according to our charters and on our equipment.
    Then it makes sense to talk about some kind of tactics.
    1. atalef 22 October 2015 10: 05 New
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      . ) So there is no need here about some tactics with strategy. A soldier must be trained seriously, as was done in Soviet times. Egypt prepared the army so that the school is still felt.

      An unsuccessful example, by the way, the Syrian army was always built on the model of the Soviet one - by the way, by the way, it did not boast of success
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        Apparently at least your grandfather left for Israel? You have a poor idea of ​​what the Soviet Army is. In 1815, Russia began the first Caucasian war. The country had an advanced army at the time, which had just defeated Napoleon and was led by officers with rich combat experience. The economy was in excellent condition. No one disputed the authority of the throne. The army was opposed by the half-wild highlanders. With all this, the war went on for almost seventy years.

        But the Chechen conflict was completely over in ten years, in the most difficult economic and political situation, and not even by the Soviet Army, but by its miserable remnants, which somehow preserved their combat readiness. Almost all the local population and trained mercenaries opposed Russian soldiers. But they did it.

        Compare this with the success of the IDF, which can not cope with half-naked Palestinians ...
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          Apparently at least your grandfather left for Israel?

          Yes ? Have you served in the SA?
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          You poorly imagine what the Soviet Army is

          I'm DMB -90, and you?
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          Compare this to the success of the IDF,

          Why compare, then?
          the post was
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          A soldier must be trained seriously, as was done in Soviet times. Egypt prepared the army so that the school is still felt. The same thing must be done with the Syrians

          All wars, that Egypt, that Syria-have lost outright to Israel, further
          Quote: Riv
          with half-naked Palestinians.

          Assad has not been able to cope with his army for 4 years. but loses one territory after another.
          Googled about the Syrian army and on whose model it was built
          learn materiel laughing
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            Tell tales, Jew. In the 90th he was demobilized ... Yes, your dad and mom met already in this century. I look: not only here we have a bad history with school.
            Where would Israel be now if England and France had not harnessed for it during the Suez crisis? Be silent, hussars! No time to rhyme. In Jewish schools, is it not fashionable to teach such historical details?
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  17. 31rus 22 October 2015 08: 23 New
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    And this is an analysis of the situation? Yes, even with no accusations, or do you naively think that there are no our advisers in Syria, it would be easy and easy Assad would not lose so much territory and strategically important areas, there is practically no equipment, artillery only to control important areas, the political crisis inside the country, refugees, and even a lot of problems, and with all this, the troops go on the offensive, it’s difficult, hard, but your epithets are “triumphant”, they’re not at all appropriate
    1. KG_patriot_last 22 October 2015 11: 10 New
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      The author contradicts himself in his article twice. That movement around Aleppo is a mistake, then this is the main task. Either everything was choked with it, then the territories were recaptured in all the provinces ...

      I think that there are advisers at all levels - from the company of special forces to the General Staff. Send a squadron to be commanded by the Syrian general staff? Even an Eskimo would not have made such a mistake.

      And the available aircraft is quite enough for the existing army against the existing enemy. 45 departures per day for 45 flying devices or what? The distance there the cat cried - half an hour in the air and return to base.

      And the slowness is due to the rise in price of soldiers, there are very few of them left over the 4 of the year. Some cite the number in 280 thousands at the beginning of the conflict. Probably in their head Turkey attacked Syria and all 280 thousands are fighting with it. They do not understand that a civil war happened there and at the beginning the Sunnis fought with the rest. Assad may now have 280 thousands, but he has no more thousands of 30 armies (which ensures the current advancement). The rest of the militia is not trained and not equipped - capable of only holding frontiers in the trenches.

      And you don’t need 200 planes to bomb the desert. And the cities will hardly be bombed - they will repeat American mistakes ... The Russians want to be liberators and peacekeepers. Therefore, Assad and on his lips constantly on reconciliation and peace. He is already participating in the political struggle.

      The Chechen scenario will be involved. You’ll see you as your best friends. Even the Kurdish leaders do not have a single word about an independent country - because Turkey simply annexes them. They will all be reconciled and processed by propaganda.

      Who brought the war? USA. Who bombed us? Turkey. Who set up the mercenaries? Qatar. What did the Saud need? Your territory? Who died in this? Every Syrian family lost a member, regardless of faith ... After all, in Syria there was a secular state and there will be a rollback to this state. Take a closer look at the leader of the moderate Sunnis. The same woman performed there. So mercenaries and radical Sunnis will be destroyed and rallied.
  18. Neophyte 22 October 2015 08: 41 New
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    East is a delicate matter? Moreover, there are no classical fronts and rear. And so, according to Clausewitz, the 1st column ... a marshisht will not work! As in Afghanistan, the militants use the tactics of small mobile units, it is very difficult to destroy them. The main thing is to continue to destroy large ground goals.
  19. vladimirvn 22 October 2015 09: 14 New
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    It seems that they are trying to drag us into a full-scale war, a second Afghanistan. The states and their allies are usually a little taut with fantasy, so they use already tested templates.
  20. xin-l 22 October 2015 09: 34 New
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    The eastern slow-moving mentality also affects the habit of positional warfare, but I think that soon the Syrian troops will be reorganized at an accelerated pace. Plus, of course, the dispersion of forces on all fronts is not good, and here we either need to increase the air force. or slow down the hot Syrian heads. The author of the rights of the dumb is all stupid. We need to focus on the key north direction.
  21. AlexTires 22 October 2015 09: 45 New
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    Clusters of terrorists were the target of attacks by Russian aviation only where these clusters were or are. In urban environments, such strikes do not always lead to the immediate capture of objects. “Cyborgs” sat for a long time at the Donetsk airport after there was nothing left to sit there.
    The main goal of the strike of Russian aviation are warehouses and communications. This will not affect the state of terrorists in one day. But it will be reflected. War has its own laws and calculations.
  22. skrabplus.ru 22 October 2015 10: 55 New
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    don't angry Russians, better sit under sofas
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      So in the frame it’s kind of like not a fighter, and not even Russian at all, but Su-22 Syrian. Well, God bless him ...
  23. 31rus 22 October 2015 11: 14 New
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    Interesting comments here on the site, I want to ask the guys, and whose will you be? More than half of them shouted “cheers” very loudly after the launch of the “Caliber” and were delighted with the militants' flight, and as soon as the situation took on a serious character (which should have been) , "critical" conclusions and forecasts came out immediately, so whose will you be?
  24. Shadowcat 22 October 2015 11: 17 New
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    Sofa generals.
    You sit and remember the analogue. The end of winter to the beginning of summer 1942. The euphoria of the victories of the winter of 1941 and the army again broken in blood. Everything is about the same.
    Wai do not tell me about the supply of troops? (the tank travels about 320-500 km. In addition to fuel, it needs shells. It needs infantry support, it needs aviation support). There is an analogue already in the winter of the 43rd when the troops are left without supplies because of the stretched lines.
    In order to talk about this, it’s not necessary the reports of the media, among which the military specialists of Adyns-Tory and those who listen to the currents on presentations. Tactical and staff cards are needed for evaluation, and who will give them all the more in military operations?
    If you look purely logically and from the supply side, you need to cut off the supply channels. These are borders with Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and Jordan. What in the center is it just crushing for several weeks, a maximum of months without supply.
  25. Aleksandr21 22 October 2015 11: 18 New
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    The tactics of the Syrian General Staff just does not raise questions. I’m generally surprised that the Syrian army still exists, given the number of participants opposed by the SA: "peaceful opposition", ISIS, Front-en-Nusra, Muslim Brotherhood etc. and these are only terrorist organizations, with the support of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, the United States ... therefore, there is no need to talk about the inefficiency of the Syrian General Staff, they fought this war almost alone for 4 years. With the advent of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the situation has changed, but there is no need to wait for miracles either, the Syrian army is tired of fighting, there is a shortage of personnel, equipment, ammunition, on our part, I think it will not be superfluous to supply large quantities of military equipment, we have so many equipment in our warehouses since the days of the USSR and all this will stand until it decays, since new samples are coming to the armed forces of the Russian Army and there’s nothing to put the old .... I’ll make a reservation that “old” does not mean not efficiency, only the phrase “made in the USSR” says a lot . With the personnel, Iran’s help would have come in handy, well, our support of the air forces from the air.
  26. Boris Zidkov 22 October 2015 12: 04 New
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    for atalef, the Soviet army took Berlin and pulled you snipers.
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      for atalef, the Soviet army took Berlin

      And what's the connection?
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    How tired of the news about Syria, we are killing Russians near Donbass, and the public somehow strangely turned our attention ... or maybe on purpose, to merge New Russia
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    Until the border between Syria and Turkey is blocked, there will be no sense in fighting. All the supplies and personnel of the militants come from Turkey. But everyone is silent about this thing, although everyone has known for a long time. Everything was the same in Chechnya, until we closed as it was, borders were liquidated by banks in the country that help bandits financially. So is Syria. One can assume a collusion between our government, the USA and the EU on the division of Syria into several parts, as it was before 1941. I can’t say whether this is good or bad but once being forced to conspire, they will be forced to the rest. It was already under Gorbachev. I talked about surrendering the GDR and not expanding NATO, got the collapse of the USSR and NATO at our borders. Ratings are certainly a good thing for the "electorate", but better for the people there would be the resignation of a wrecking government, an amendment of the Constitution to an independent one and a ban on enemy ideologists from working in the country under the guise of "freedom of speech."
  29. uhu189 22 October 2015 16: 29 New
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    Finally, the obvious things began to come to mind, that PR, and the reality is a little different. If the troops are bloodless, scattered throughout the country, have suffered heavy losses in technology and the country is practically destroyed economically, it is foolish to hope that a miracle will happen and as a result of the 3 weeks of bombing, everything will change dramatically. It is a long road, very long. And I have no confidence (especially after the Donbass) that the Russian leadership is ready to go this way to the end. The main thing is that this is not an element of the next auction. If this is so, and this is really bargaining, then we (or rather, our ruling elite) are no different from the so-called bad Americans ...
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    Quote: iliitch
    The results are not impressive.

    You need to think. Won the Second World War. By what efforts, by what blood. It was necessary to restore everything again. Corncracker Nikitka ruined a lot. Brezhnev’s stagnation, when everyone was floating along the stream of the sleepy river. However, all the oligarchs grew up on these results, which are not impressive to you. Until now, all communications in the buildings of the buildings of the USSR. (Unless in new buildings - modern). But the main housing stock is from the times of the USSR. And how many fortunes have grown in the sale of scrap metal to the West? Recently, the monument to E. Leonov was sawn and sold. We still use what has been accumulated people THE USSR. And these are unimpressive results? You should be ashamed. And we disentangle the porridge precisely because we have turned off our path.


    But I do not agree, I do not think so. A simple question: why did my parents die in poverty, even though they didn’t take a penny from someone else in their lives? Worked honestly. EXACTLY, because the Soviet power was curtailed, BECAUSE the results are not impressive either. Do not pull in sophistry, I will not answer. The result of Soviet power is not impressive! Should have been, and were bound to achieve more, and stretched TOTAL 70 years. So, that power was not viable, since it quickly went rotten! And I don’t want to hear songs about traitors and objective difficulties at all. Simply put, all the time, it was sucking in that power to the people that Our poop tastes better than Their poop; and Our AIDS is better than Their AIDS! And what we have achieved is thanks to our patient people, and not thanks to the power of the communist stupid. Well, I’m not a democrat, but now some people are witnessing here, but the communist power was IMAGINOUS, the descendants of the lumpen climbed out of the cellars in the 20th and 30th, and let's steer. If it weren’t for external enemies, and they wouldn’t have survived for 15 years, they would have devoured themselves ... The self-preservation instinct worked, as did all primitive ones. That's it.
    1. Izotovp 24 October 2015 01: 52 New
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      What a funny one !! So the people once, not listening to any of the rulers gathered and how let's build, reinvent and fight !!!! So the football players don’t need a coach and the orchestra conductor? And in order to make it easier to think, you need to learn a story, but to tighten the economy with geography. And remember about propaganda in other countries.