The drone downed by Turkey, most likely, the closed Russian development

The drone downed by Turkey, most likely, the closed Russian developmentTurkey has officially announced that the drone shot down at the Turkish-Syrian border is Russian. Nevertheless, the Russian army, apparently, is not its operator - although at the moment a whole group of Russian UAVs are in use in Syria. Will this incident have political consequences?


Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Monday that the unmanned aerial vehicle shot down by the Turkish Air Force last week was Russian-made.

“The drone shot down over the territory of Turkey was made in Russia. However, the Russian side told us that this is not its apparatus. He may belong to the Assad regime, the Syrian Kurds or other forces, ”said Davutoglu to Ahaber. He expressed the hope that Russia in view of this incident will be more cautious when conducting operations in Syria.

The drone was an orphan


“As for the downed drone on the border with Turkey, today it is not clear whose drone it is,” said Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matvienko on the sidelines of the Assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union in Geneva. She hopes that the experts will deal with this incident. Moscow is doing everything possible to prevent incidents in the operation zone in Syria, Matvienko assured.

As you know, on Friday, Turkish aviation shot down by an unidentified drone that violated the country's air border. Moscow responded by saying that Russian aviation has no casualties. As Colonel-General Andrei Kartapolov, chief of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, specified, “all the planes of the Russian air group in the Syrian Arab Republic returned to the Khmeimim air base after completing combat missions. However, in Damascus they announced that they had no air losses.

As RIA remindsNews", On Friday in social networks, with reference to the Turkish General Staff, photos of the drone allegedly produced by the St. Petersburg Technological Center (Orlan) appeared. The Russian company made a rebuttal, noting that these pictures "look more like a poorly played information provocation."

"Orlan" flies for "Bee"


UAV expert, editor-in-chief of the UAV.ru Internet portal Denis Fedutinov does not exclude that the downed vehicle actually belonged to the Syrian army or Kurdish partisans.

“Russia has already supplied unmanned systems to Syria. In particular, systems with Bee devices were supplied - a fairly old development complex from the Soviet era. But also, according to some sources, in recent years, the Aileron-3 mini-class systems have also been supplied. Actually, these two facts suggest that Moscow has experience with Damascus in terms of the supply of such equipment. In principle, we cannot exclude the supply of any other systems either, ”said the expert to the newspaper VIEW.

Fedutinov also believes that the level of training of Syrian officers is sufficient to control such devices: “This is a mini-class system, portable. It requires a small staff to manage and maintain. Training also does not require any long courses. ”

He admitted that he still cannot “recognize” the apparatus, the snapshot of which was spread by the Turkish authorities. “My colleagues and I carefully looked at the photos. Such a system on any public events have not seen. I suppose this is a closed development, ”Fedutinov explained. “Our military could use several types of drones in Syria. This is not only Eleron 3, but also heavier Orlan 10, he said. - It is possible that the apparatus of a larger class is also used, say, “Outpost”.

"Diplomatic injection" drone


The expert of the analytical center "KUB" Nadana Friedrichson suggests that Davutoglu is trying to threaten Moscow with a lowering of the level of his statement. “Perhaps this is a veiled allusion: if Russia does not abandon its plans in Syria, then Ankara will consider Moscow alongside the Kurds and Assad. This is such a diplomatic prick with an umbrella, ”the analyst told LOOK.

Friedrichson recalled that in the Middle East in general there is a serious redistribution of spheres of influence. “Different forces are trying to create a groundwork for the future. Turkey has long been cultivating the imperial idea, as has been publicly stated over the past three years. Syria, however, fell into the half-life stage. As Ankara had calculated, when Bashar Asad is shifted and the redistribution of Syria begins, she will receive her piece of influence. But the crisis suddenly dragged on. The Turkish President Erdogan did not have everything smoothly with some “architects” of the new redistribution in the region. And now, in his understanding, Russia has also “climbed” here. Moreover, I think Russia climbed exactly in that piece of Syria that Ankara planned to keep for itself, ”the analyst suggested.
“Now the allies, led by the United States, have embarked on a containment of Russia in this region - otherwise few of them will receive anything in the future from Syrian pie. Turkey is used for this deterrence. But the president of Turkey himself was in a precarious position - either pan or lost. At the end of the summer, he began an invasion across the border into Iraq, but radical sentiments are rising in the country, terrorist acts are raging on gas pipelines and in the center of the capital, his personal rating is falling, ”the political scientist believes.

"Our video conferencing should be very careful"


Igor Morozov, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Federation Council, drew attention to an important caveat Davutoglu - the Turkish Prime Minister did not directly blame Moscow for the incident, but admitted that the device found did not belong to the Russian videoconferencing system, but to the Syrians or the Kurds.

“The Turks must be very careful in this situation, not wanting to worsen our relations with too harsh statements. Of course, Davutoglu is also cautious about his rhetoric, the senator told the VIEW newspaper. - The fact that we recently heard from the President of Turkey is somewhat “annoying” interstate relations. Although we continue to believe that Turkey is our friendly country, with which we are connected as историяand so powerful enough trade and economic relations. "

According to Morozov, today it is impossible to say that this airspace system could violate Turkish airspace. “But our armed forces, our VKS should be very careful, including when using a group of unmanned aerial vehicles,” the senator called. “In any case, our relations are so deeply tied that it is not necessary now, in the course of the common struggle against international terrorism, to use each other’s mistakes.”

Unlike the senator, Friedrichson expects Ankara, on the contrary, to continue to slightly provoke Moscow - after all, in less than a couple of weeks Turkey will have parliamentary elections, the second in six months already. “Erdogan’s personal power depends on the outcome of his foreign policy game. This is a very unenviable position, and he can in his hearts go to extreme measures in the process of containing Russia, ”the expert does not exclude.

“Look: first - an overreaction to the flown Su-30 in early October. Then, statements that MiG-29 still invaded, although Moscow has not confirmed this fact. Then, Turkish helicopters suddenly invaded the airspace of Armenia - Russia's ally in the CSTO. Now there are claims of a downed drone, ”lists Friedrichson.

“If Moscow and Ankara remain in the previous relations, then I do not exclude that Turkey will continue to inflame passions. “She can initiate any provocations in the South Caucasus,” Frederickson predicts. - There has already been an incident with Armenia. So, it is possible that the provocation will be connected with Georgia. ” In her opinion, Moscow must continue to exercise endurance, patience. “Still, in such a critical situation, it will be possible to agree with Erdogan when the internal political situation presses him down completely,” the political scientist sums up.

In the meantime, it became known that the Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia, Mikhail Bogdanov, held consultations on Monday with his Turkish counterpart Umit Yalcin in Istanbul on the situation in Syria. The message of the Russian Foreign Ministry notes that "the reciprocal disposition of Moscow and Ankara to maintain an active Russian-Turkish dialogue on topical issues on the Middle East agenda is confirmed."
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  1. Penetrator 21 October 2015 14: 07 New
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    Although we continue to believe that Turkey is our friendly country, with which both history and fairly powerful trade and economic relations connect us. ”

    What is our friendly story with the Turks? Eight wars were waged with them, starting from the beginning of the 18th century until the First World War inclusive. Something special friendship is not visible ..
    1. V.ic 21 October 2015 14: 17 New
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      Quote: Penetrator
      I don’t see much friendship.

      With the Bolsheviks they "were idolizing." They say that at the Ataturk monument there is a figure of K. Voroshilov
      1. sssla 21 October 2015 14: 41 New
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        Quote: V.ic
        They say

        They say that the T-14 Armat has a cardboard tower! Refute pzhlst
        1. Uncle VasyaSayapin 21 October 2015 16: 27 New
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          Frunze and Voroshilov at the Ataturk monument in Taksim Square.
          http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/1090260.html
          1. Bayonet 21 October 2015 18: 51 New
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            Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Frunze and Voroshilov at the Ataturk monument in Taksim Square.

            Taksim Square
            Taksim Meydanı Square is an area in the central part of Istanbul (Taksim microdistrict of Beyoglu district). In the center of the square is the 12-meter “Republic” monument (Cumhuriyet Anıtı), erected in 1928 according to the project of the Italian architect Pietro Canonik.
            The monument symbolically represents the Turkish liberating army and the triumph of the establishment of the republic. The monument on Taksim Square includes sculptures of Marshals Mustafa Kemal Ataturk Mustafa Ismet Inyonu and Fevzi Chakmak and the image of the armed Turkish people. In addition, at the direction of Mustafa Kemal - Ataturk, figures of Mikhail Frunze and Kliment Voroshilov were included in the sculptural composition - "As a sign of gratitude for the military assistance to Soviet Russia."
        2. Letun 21 October 2015 18: 13 New
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          Quote: sssla
          Quote: V.ic
          They say

          Refute pzhlst

          What is there to refute is a well-known fact. I hope you do not need to refute that a healthy person has two arms and two legs.
          Fools once again demonstrate their ignorance.
          1. sssla 21 October 2015 19: 58 New
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            Quote: Letun
            Fools once again demonstrate their ignorance.

            It is a well-known fact that a reinforcement is made of cardboard, or that you are rude to a guy? What to refute ??? The first is not necessary, because it’s dill for raising your smelly ego, but the second is probably an axiom or theorem as you please !!
        3. Turkir 21 October 2015 22: 26 New
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          Oppvrgm, pzhlst.
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        5. varov14 22 October 2015 04: 45 New
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          You don’t make papier-mâché, you won’t shape the cardboard properly, but we’ll make inflatable cartoons for those too curious.
      2. Nicholas C. 21 October 2015 14: 43 New
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        How is this a downed drone "whose unknown", or even "secret Russian development"?
        We look, we compare:
        www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EWATT-Unmanned-Aerial-Vehicle-Fixed-Wing_60010112
        603.html
        1. GRAY 21 October 2015 15: 27 New
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EWATT-Unmanned-Aerial-Vehicle-Fixed-Wing_60010112

          The Chinese have ailerons to the very end of the wing, but the broken one does not.
          1. Throw 21 October 2015 17: 19 New
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            Even ailerons cannot copy, morons .. laughing

            In general, the cars are different. The Chinese have no hatch at the tail, an influx of the fuselage in front of the engine, and other cooling air intakes.
        2. Scoun 21 October 2015 17: 19 New
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          How is this a downed drone "whose unknown", or even "secret Russian development"?
          We look, we compare:

          Your version is the most identical, even the "horns" and other crap converge. Thank.
          1. GRAY 22 October 2015 08: 46 New
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            Quote: Scoun
            Your version is the most identical, even the "horns" and other crap converge. Thank.

            The motor may be from a third-party manufacturer.
        3. Bayonet 21 October 2015 18: 54 New
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EWATT-Unmanned-Aerial-Vehicle-Fixed-Wing_60010112


          603.html

          Quote: Nikolay S.
          We look, we compare:

          There is nothing to watch! Here's what is on your link. smile
          1. Throw 21 October 2015 19: 41 New
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            The Chinese banged the page, for the ailerons were offended laughing
            1. sssla 21 October 2015 23: 00 New
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              Quote: Lance
              The Chinese banged the page, for the ailerons were offended

              Cybercitizens also embroider with a cross and not just bang the pages of the tut in the Pentagon)
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        4. Asadullah 21 October 2015 21: 56 New
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          How is this a downed drone "whose unknown", or even "secret Russian development"?


          Yeah, in the article about the incident, I wrote that this is a Chinese drone, at the cost of three thousand greens without optics. About the "secret Russian development", this is generally a pearl. This article was published in Vzglyad. Which did not immediately add respect to the resource.
      3. alekc75 21 October 2015 14: 45 New
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        yes there is such a thing for sure
      4. puppet 21 October 2015 17: 41 New
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        They say that at the Ataturk monument there is a figure of K. Voroshilov

        but in my opinion he looks like Lenin, the first time I saw him, I was really scared ...
    2. Finches 21 October 2015 14: 17 New
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      If Turkey does not want normal relations with us, then it is a boor with it! Historically, we always put the Turks in their place only with the help of weapons - this is already in the blood of both the Turks and ours!
    3. Alexey-74 21 October 2015 14: 27 New
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      Everyone is dreaming about the Ottoman Empire .... but in fact, the Six States
    4. g1v2 21 October 2015 14: 30 New
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      Nothing is clear with the Turks. ERDOGAN THAT THREATS WITH A FIST, THAT WHISPERS WITH GDP and SEEMS THAT THEIR RELATIONSHIPS ARE GOOD. For example, the Turks are in every possible way protesting against our bombing in Syria, but at the same time they are selling us 8 ships for the Syrian express. They drag out the Turkish stream, but thanks to it we agreed on the northern stream2 with the Germans. The Turks let the militants pass, but the threat from the Turks forced the Kurds to negotiate with the Assad. Nothing is clear here - there are too many coincidences.
    5. vodolaz 21 October 2015 15: 13 New
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      The Turks will play out, there isn’t enough Americans at all to cover up. And the first ones are also trying to sit on several chairs.
    6. ver_ 21 October 2015 16: 19 New
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      ... in what year did Constantinople become Turkish Istanbul ..?
      1. Bayonet 21 October 2015 19: 02 New
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        Quote: ver_
        in what year did Constantinople become Turkish Istanbul ..?

        After the founding of the Republic of Turkey in 1923, the capital was moved from Constantinople to Ankara.
        On March 28, 1930, the Turkish authorities renamed the city of Constantinople to Istanbul. hi
      2. traveler 21 October 2015 19: 29 New
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        1453. such dates must be remembered by heart.
        although my spouse figure 1492, as it turned out, does not say anything sad
        1. andj61 21 October 2015 19: 54 New
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          1453. such dates must be remembered by heart.
          although my spouse figure 1492, as it turned out, does not say anything sad

          In 1453, the Turks took Constantinople. And in 1492 what do we have? The discovery of America by Columbus, the capture of the Alhambra in Granada - the end of the Reconquista in Spain, yes, even in Russia they switched from the calendar of Constantinople to the Byzantine, and the beginning of the year was not March 1, but September 1.
        2. Bugor 22 October 2015 02: 29 New
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          1492 is a number, not a number.
    7. alone 21 October 2015 20: 38 New
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      Quote: Penetrator
      What is our friendly story with the Turks? Eight wars were waged with them, starting from the beginning of the 18th century until the First World War inclusive. Something special friendship is not visible ..

      and now what are you proposing? to renew hostilities? to start a war due to the fact that the kings and sultans had disagreements and enmities 2-3 centuries ago?
      1. Penetrator 21 October 2015 20: 49 New
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        and now what are you proposing? to renew hostilities? to start a war due to the fact that the kings and sultans had disagreements and enmities 2-3 centuries ago?

        This is to say that Russia and Turkey, as in the past, present and in the foreseeable future, have different geopolitical interests. At least in relation to the same South Caucasus.
    8. Amurets 22 October 2015 01: 34 New
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      And during the battle for the Caucasus, we had to keep five divisions on the border with Turkey, when they were needed in the foothills of the North Caucasus.
    9. onega67 22 October 2015 12: 36 New
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      they will NEVER forget this !!!!
    10. Seal 22 October 2015 20: 26 New
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      Well, if you don’t know the story, then why announce it to the whole world? Turkey and I had more peaceful periods than war years.

      In 1613, "the Sultan made a promise to be in" friendship and love "with the Moscow sovereign and stand together on the Lithuanian Tsar" (Gordeev, vol. 2, 161)

      In August 1615, the Moscow embassy invited the Sultan to fight against Poland together.
      In 1619, "Patriarch Filaret demanded from the Don Cossacks not only peaceful relations with Turkey, but also ordered the Cossacks to join the Turkish army and be under the command of the Turkish Pasha." (Gordeev, vol. 2, 169)
      In 1621, the sultan sent a "blood saber" to the Polish king Sigismund, demanding her kiss in sign of refusal of claims to Moscow. (Vesti-chimes. Appendix 1. 1600-1631. M.: Science, 1982).
      In 1627, "relations with Turkey were established by a record that said:" For the great sovereign Murad, I kiss the cross that he should be friends with Tsar Mikhail Fedorovich, be ambassadors, help the Tsar’s Majesty, and the Polish king against his enemies stand at the same time. He doesn’t order the Crimean Tsar and Nogai and Azov people to go to the Moscow lands with a war. "(Gordeev, vol. 2, 173)
      On July 3, 1700, a peace treaty was signed between Turkey and Muscovy for 30 years, which states "the Khan of the Crimean annual tribute should not be required of the Muscovite state" (Brickner, 378) The treaty also banned the attacks of the Crimean Khan on Russian lands and granted Muscovy the right to have in Istanbul, its permanent diplomatic representative, who has all the rights and privileges of ambassadors of other powers.
    11. Seal 22 October 2015 20: 30 New
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      Then, in 1831, at the request of the Sultan, we landed an expeditionary force on the shores of the Bosphorus to protect Istanbul from the forces of Egyptian Pasha advancing on it.
      Pasha understood everything correctly and gave the order to turn back.

      In the First World War, we and Turkey were dragged by the ears. Neither we nor they had insoluble contradictions either with Europe or between ourselves. But we and the Ottoman Empire had oil for our misfortune. And this means that bloody tsarism and bloody Ottomanism should have come to an end. And by the way, as soon as Herr Diesel invented his internal combustion engine and everyone in Europe understood the importance of oil, right there, by a wave of a magic wand, “Jewish pogroms” began in Russia and “Armenian” in Turkey.
      In the Second World War, Turkey took an extremely neutral position until the beginning of 1945, and in 1945, like most countries of the world, declared war on Germany. But its neutrality actually provided us HUGE help in the war. For Turkey withstood all the frantic pressure of both Hitler and Mussolini - but it didn’t open its Black Sea straits for their warships. The only thing that the Germans managed to push through the straits a couple of self-propelled barges (without weapons) under the guise of commercial ships. And that’s all. All the rest: other self-propelled barges, submarines, torpedo boats and so on, the Germans and Italians had to deliver either along the Danube, or transported unassembled by rail to the ports of Romania and assembled there. Therefore, the Germans and Italians throughout the war on the Black Sea did not have a single decent warship. And submarines are only small and therefore quite outdated. And now just imagine that in 1941 or 1942 an Italian battleship would appear on the Black Sea with cruisers and escort destroyers !!!
  2. MIKHAN 21 October 2015 14: 08 New
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    Moscow needs to continue to show restraint, patience.

    That's right ... Let them scream further! Ours is not our essence. Erdogan is not impudent!
  3. avvg 21 October 2015 14: 08 New
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    Russian drones do not fall, This "bullshit drone" does not belong to Russia.
    1. kil 31 21 October 2015 14: 12 New
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      https://youtu.be/E9hsTqO5wG4
      Turkey has officially announced that the drone shot down at the Turkish-Syrian border is Russian. Nevertheless, the Russian army, apparently, is not its operator - although at the moment a whole group of Russian UAVs are in use in Syria. Will this incident have political consequences?

      Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said on Monday that the unmanned aerial vehicle shot down by the Turkish Air Force last week was Russian-made.

      “A drone shot down over Turkish territory was made in Russia. However, the Russian side told us that this was not its apparatus. It may belong to the Assad regime, the Syrian Kurds, or other forces, ”Davutoglu told Ahaber. He expressed the hope that Russia, taking into account this incident, would be more careful when conducting an operation in Syria
      There is nothing strange, in Abkhazia no one was indignant that the UAV was made by Israel.
      1. Genry 21 October 2015 15: 48 New
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        Somewhere there was a competent analysis that this is a Ukrainian drone.
    2. V.ic 21 October 2015 14: 15 New
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      Quote: avvg
      Russian drones do not fall

      ... they crash into a column of enemy armored vehicles, aiming at a tanker!
    3. nafanal 22 October 2015 09: 16 New
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      Exactly the same sculpt in Ukraine. Cadets of the Zhytomyr Military School
  4. The drone downed by Turkey, most likely, the closed Russian development

    It’s bad if that’s true. recourse Although in a closed development, a small "bad boom" should be built. fellow
    1. proletarian 21 October 2015 14: 48 New
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      Precisely closed, unsuitable.
    2. Amurets 22 October 2015 01: 55 New
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      Exactly closed. The engine ran out in the school’s aviation circle, but there was no money for new ones. The Ministry of Finance refused to finance the extra-curricular education of the Ministry of Education and Science. There is not enough money to double the salary of the deputies.
  5. pts-m 21 October 2015 14: 10 New
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    something reminiscent of a Kakhlov trick when their pastry chef waved passport crusts and a tin with holes in a speech in one of the gay countries.
  6. Agent Putin 21 October 2015 14: 13 New
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    Well, yes, Russian ... And, probably, personally controlled by Putin?
    What can point to Russia there? Is there evidence or a fortune-teller fortuneteller received information through torsion fields?
  7. V.ic 21 October 2015 14: 13 New
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    Well, they shot down so they shot down, so they didn’t kill anyone! One "broken toy" is less ... And why on this occasion to cheek up? Drop a couple of beehives on their heads without honey, but with bees! laughing
  8. GRAY 21 October 2015 14: 15 New
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    How was it determined? Did someone forget the earflaps and balalaika in the bomb bay?
    1. Petrik66 22 October 2015 13: 04 New
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      Yeah, and there were documents personally signed by Putin about the oppression of Ukrainian gays.
    2. Petrik66 22 October 2015 13: 04 New
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      Yeah, and there were documents personally signed by Putin about the oppression of Ukrainian gays.
  9. Arktidianets 21 October 2015 14: 31 New
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    The Ottomans were rude to be rude in our direction, they forgot to see how they got it after the cabbage soup.
  10. Luga 21 October 2015 14: 44 New
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    The irony of the situation is that Russia and Turkey have dual relations. In terms of economics, Turkey’s interests largely coincide with Russia's interests - security, trade, a gas pipeline ... But Turkey’s foreign policy line radically contradicts Russia's interests in the Middle East, because Iran and Syria, if not our allies, are friendly to us powers whose interests Russia has repeatedly defended at the UN and, in general, Turkey’s natural rivals in the struggle for political hegemony in the region. Plus, the Kurds, who have long stood a bone in the throat of everyone, for (that's because villains!) Want to restore their own national state. And the lands of this planned state now belong to Turkey and Iran and Syria and, if I am not mistaken, even Iraq.

    Turkey will not be able to give up ambitions (and who could?), Moreover, these ambitions are constantly being warmed up from across the ocean, and there are not enough forces to satisfy them, and who will allow it?

    The Turkish leadership, in my opinion, now faces a very difficult dilemma - to develop the economy, build muscle for future achievements or try to get into a mess with an unclear outcome now.

    It seems that a decision was made to implement the second scenario, they were only waiting for Assad to completely weaken, but Russia's intervention changed the balance of power and the decision would have to be reconsidered in the direction of "economic". Hence the tantrum. We were preparing about one scenario, but got a completely different one. Sober-minded politicians in Turkey have already realized that it is no longer possible to cut off a piece from Syria and (or) Iraq (Iran probably wasn’t talking about), if Russia could keep its Kurds in obedience. Therefore, the best way out is with bayonets in the ground and huts, a gas pipeline and hotels for Russians to build. But not everyone seems to think so. There are hawks there too.

    However, it seems to me that their positions (hawks, in the sense) are not so strong and their beaks are quickly wrapped up, despite the support of the latter by mattresses. Wait and see.
    1. orphan 63 21 October 2015 15: 27 New
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      laughing "- What are you doing?! Well, just look !!!" the drone yelled bitterly in response to the threats of the Turkish military ... It didn’t help, damn it, they shot down it, the barbarians ... Erdogan, having insulted unknown aircraft modellers to tears, he sensed Belmondo, and declared that from now on he would shoot down any planes that invaded the limits ... Your mother ... It's terrible how! And yet, all the same ... I like this guy, straight as a perpendicular ... You don’t have any emotional throwings, searches for hidden meaning and hidden essence of things ! Oil deliveries are being cut off from ISIS !? It's not scary, he’ll cut down the grandmothers elsewhere! Now, Recep has started to kick up Syrian refugees ... Trading with the European Union is in the best traditions of the eastern bazaar. Edogan’s position is simple, like Porosheko’s screech: You don’t want to Refugees climbed up to you, pay! The question price is miserable three billion. Europeans do not want refugees, but they feel sorry for the money and therefore promise EU membership in return ... There will be laughter if they make Turks non-permanent members! It will be extremely imprudent from the side Ony Frau Merkel. I’ll say more: Turkey’s EU membership will result in self-harm, because, as far as I understand, there are no borders between the countries at all, and nothing will stop migrants from quietly migrating wherever they want, that is, to Germany ... As a bonus to them, and a million - another Turks will join ... However, Erdogan is struggling and kobenitsya- wants money, even more than membership ... And right away ... Now it’s up to him, and if Recep thinks of organizing a large one-time delivery of several thousand migrants from the wholesale warehouse, then we must think that they will give him money, and right away! And you don’t have to be a seer to understand that this will not be the final amount, you will have to pay a lot and regularly ... They themselves are to blame, because no one promised that it would be easy, moreover, Gaddafi even warned about such a development ... I reached out ... "
      Al Perlin - Evil Political Information 15
    2. Uncle VasyaSayapin 21 October 2015 16: 34 New
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      In short, the main contradictions between the Russian Federation and Turkey are that Turkey is located in a very convenient place for us (if we somehow take it to our place), and in the Russian Federation and countries close to the Russian Federation there are many Turkic-speaking population from which Turkey would not be away to pile the Empire.
  11. uav80 21 October 2015 14: 58 New
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    Quote: Nikolay S.
    We look, we compare:

    On an old American T-16 is also very looks like ..
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  13. Mikhail Krapivin 21 October 2015 16: 06 New
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    Is there a similarity between the old American T-16 and our Orlan, or do I have evil glitches?
  14. mitrich 21 October 2015 16: 11 New
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    If ours, and with some know-how devices, then it’s bad, the enemy, insignificant confusion and pretty rubbing sweaty little hands, they will brazenly take possession of them. And if, a long outdated system, well, God bless her, they shot down so they shot down. But it looks more like it itself has fallen.
    But the Turks, our eternal enemies and, if possible, should be kept on a short leash and, if necessary, break off horns.
  15. Bamse 21 October 2015 16: 47 New
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    Quote: Penetrator

    What is our friendly story with the Turks? Eight wars were waged with them, starting from the beginning of the 18th century until the First World War inclusive. Something special friendship is not visible ..


    One Orthodox priest predicted another war with the Turks. Of course, not all predictions come true, but for example, a familiar psychic told me in 2008 that there would be a war in Ukraine, so I doubted it very much, I wondered if they would be at war with the Turks. But it’s how it turned out.
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    “As for the downed drone on the border with Turkey, today it is unclear whose drone it is,” said Federation Council Speaker Valentina Matvienko on the sidelines of the Assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union in Geneva. She hopes that experts will deal with this incident.
    "Orlan", and so it is clear, our bird ... They were for sale !!! Left to right and who else will give money !!! Blin, how many times said! Whatever he is in fact, he is still OUR! So they write to us the "last world".
  17. 31rus 21 October 2015 19: 04 New
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    Dear, I watched the news, including about Ukraine, the report as Poroshenko, looked at new weapons, as if the UAV in the background were very similar to the downed one, I don’t want Ukraine or anyone else to suspect, only a question, but Who is it (Ukraine) that supplies the UAV?
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    2. IAlex 21 October 2015 21: 43 New
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      Let’s take a photo, and we will compare ...
  18. IAlex 21 October 2015 21: 43 New
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    With the same success, all experts can be sent to hell and an adequate version can be explained by the appearance of an unknown drone, which made a Turkish school student save money for breakfast for a circle, and during the trials, evil Turks brought down his property in the sky of his own country, resulting in zero all the attempts in a hunger strike, fundraising, labor and kidalov’s finger in front of his brothers, giving all the laurels of the designer of the Russian Federation which already has enough of its planes ... laughing
  19. TsUS-Air Force 21 October 2015 23: 57 New
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    necessarily Russian and was controlled by a battalion of Pskov paratroopers laughing laughing laughing
  20. proletarian 22 October 2015 00: 25 New
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    Oh, I look "minus" me, well, I’ll explain my position: Judging by the photo, we made such crafts in the pioneer camp 30 years ago.
    Mine to you with a "brush".
  21. Nasty 22 October 2015 03: 12 New
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    It is not clear why they shot him down ???? If the missile was BB, then it should have been torn to shreds. Given the size of the device, it seems unlikely, yes, and how to visit somewhere? The engine has no exhaust, from the point of view of the rocket. Weapon? Do not tell my grandmother. Rather, it seems like an unsuccessful landing. And then, it didn’t happen here. He was brought from somewhere, abandoned, "sfotkali" and declared Russian. Business something. :) The diagnosis is fake.
  22. vladimirw 22 October 2015 12: 28 New
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    This is clearly a provocation.
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    this one is very similar to Orlan, I wonder what they are talking about.