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Sergei Ivanov: do not think that everything is being decided in the Kremlin. Not all

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─ About the fact that our country is going to fight in Syria, the world learned when you presented the President’s address to the Federation Council on the use of the Russian armed forces beyond its borders. You have announced, Sergey Borisovich, the question to you: why now?

─ Then let's start from a distance. I remember how American partners and colleagues at the end of the 2000s patiently explained to me that it was very important to bring democracy to the Middle Eastern lands. They brought ... The results see the whole world.

Operation Enduring Freedom, launched by the United States in response to the September 11 attacks, continued in Afghanistan for thirteen years. This is the longest war in stories The United States, however, its goal ─ victory over the Taliban ─ was never achieved.

While Saddam was in power, it never occurred to anyone to talk about the presence of any terrorist groups in Iraq
In what the Americans turned Iraq, I think, no one needs to explain. For more than a decade chaos and complete powerlessness have reigned there. Saddam Hussein, I remind you, hated al-Qaeda and other terrorists. This I know for sure. Yes, he fought against them with clearly undemocratic methods, hung and shot without trial, but that was his manner of clarifying relations with opponents. While Saddam was in power, it had never occurred to anyone to talk about the presence of any terrorist groups in Iraq. Then Hussein was hanged, and today we have what we have.

Go ahead. Libya. The country turned, in fact, into the second Somalia. There is nothing more to add. It all also happened under the banner of the democratization of a large Middle East.

Take Egypt. Now he is on the periphery of public attention, there are hotter points. But in CNN's 2012, with enthusiasm and enthusiasm for hours, it reported on the awakening of the masses in Cairo, calling the Muslim Brotherhood practically refined democrats ... Well, well. If it were not for the courage and foresight of the then Minister of Defense of Egypt, General Al-Sisi, the country could easily turn into a kind of Libya. And in that situation it would not seem to anyone much. Still, this is the most populous state in the Middle East, in which more than 80 million people live. There, as they say, carried by.

Now Syria ...

─ Well, not quite now. In it, the civil war began in 2011.

─ Yes, the conflict has been going on for years. During this time, much of the country was in the hands of ISIS and other terrorist groups. The obvious fact! We all observe how the international coalition has been “successfully” struggling with them for over a year now.

─ Ironically?

We do not live in the jungle, nobody is allowed to destroy the world order

─ In my opinion, the world is going through a turning point. On the one hand, there are universally recognized institutions like the UN Security Council, without which it would be very bad, on the other hand, individual countries that call themselves carriers of a reference democracy, defiantly violate international law. For them, the laws are not written, more precisely, they recognize the only one: who is stronger, he is right. All this is very dangerous. We do not live in the jungle, nobody is allowed to destroy the world order.

Syria is in a sense a litmus test. I will not retell Vladimir Putin’s speech at the UN General Assembly and delve into the background of the president’s address to the Federation Council for permission to use our troops to help official Damascus. I repeat once again that in this case Russia has no foreign policy ambitions. It is absolutely clear to us that the situation in Syria cannot be resolved only by military means. Ultimately, sooner or later, we will have to proceed to a political settlement.

Sergei Ivanov: do not think that everything is being decided in the Kremlin. Not all

Russian Su-25CM attack aircraft at Khmeymim airbase
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Very complex, controversial, but Syria ─ itself is a very difficult country. By the way, the original proposal for an intra Syrian alliance in the fight against LIH did not come from us, but from French President Hollande. He expressed the idea of ​​uniting the government forces of Bashar Assad and the so-called "Free Syrian Army." Unless, of course, the latter really exists, and is not a virtual product, born in the offices of peak jackets in the West. You can try to come to an agreement with a reasonable opposition, compromises must be mutual, this is also absolutely understandable.

However, for the time being it is a question of a remote perspective, I will give another argument in favor of why Russia was forced to intervene in the Syrian conflict. As you have obviously heard, thousands of people from Russia and the CIS countries are fighting in the ranks of ISIL. Will you have to wait for them to practice there and calmly return home?

So far, they are trying not to spread out loud, do not dare to say openly, but I can ... Now crowds of refugees from the Middle East have rushed to the countries of Southern Europe in the hope of transit to migrate to Western. What do you think, among them there are no so-called "slippers", "sleeping" agents and terrorists, who are sent to the Old World, in order to find a place where it is inconspicuous, lie low and wait? At the appointed hour, they will emerge from the shadows and play a well-known role. For example, the same suicide bomber, dying for his faith and trying to grab more people with him to the other world. I would not like to prophesy, but I have no doubt that this will be so. Sure!

─ Don't we provoke these radicals by getting involved in a war? Prevented terrorist attack in Moscow on Presnya ─ is this not the first wake-up call?

─ We try to make sure that there is no one to go to Russia from ISIS and all the militants are left lying in the land of Syria.

─ But you didn’t answer, Sergey Borisovich, why did we need to get into a fight right now?

─ The situation has become intolerable.

─ Western media, citing unnamed ─ by tradition ─ sources in the Kremlin, claimed that President Putin’s trio in Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Secretary of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev and you convinced the launch of an air operation in Syria. Is this true?

─ As the saying goes, thanks for the compliment, I was identified in a good company ... I am ironic again, sorry, I have such a manner. Seriously comment on such "leaks" is difficult. If no joke, I say: no, information from unnamed sources is not reliable. It was all wrong.

─ And how? Lovers of conspiracy claim, they say, Syria ─ only a “covering operation” with the goal of shifting attention from the east of Ukraine to the Middle East, finally moving the arrows from Donbass.

─ It is absurd to refute idle talk. I have already explained why we found it possible to respond to the request of the legitimate leadership of Syria to help him in the fight against terrorists of various stripes. Well, what a translation of arrows, what are you talking about? Listen, we didn’t organize an anti-constitutional coup in Kiev, right? If you want, I am ready to discuss the Ukrainian topic in more detail. Like that, whether we strive at any cost to break out of so-called isolation.

I love history and I know that Russia has always been feared, treated it, to put it mildly, with great suspicion. So it was under the tsarist regime, and under the Soviet system, it continues now. Alexander Solzhenitsyn said well: "The West has for centuries been afraid of the vastness of Russia." Hugeness! Sanctions were imposed against us even under the emperors of the Romanovs, there is nothing new here. Trade barriers were established, financial barriers ... And the measures were much tougher than they are now. Nothing, have not been scared before, and are now dying out. The influence of recent sanctions on the Russian economy by the West is greatly exaggerated. Yes, this creates certain difficulties for us, it is foolish to deny the obvious, but, I repeat, we have experienced much more serious problems in the past.

By G8 we do not cry, I assure you

Attempts to punish Russia are meaningless and ineffective. Here are excluded from G8. We thought that we would be very upset. But where exactly we are not striving to return, so to the G8. Believe it! In the 90-s, Russia has long and hard tried to enter this club of the elect, eventually ended up there to soon be convinced: G8 is no longer able to solve the serious problems that humanity is facing at the present stage. Yes, you can get together, talk, to determine the western ─ I emphasize! ─ approach to certain issues, but now the world has become completely different. Here is G20 ─ this is the level. It really discusses important topics and develops solution mechanisms. I will give an example that is relevant to Syria. On the need to eliminate chemical arsenals weapons in this country it was agreed precisely in the format of the G20, and not of the G8 or G7. So for G8 we do not cry, I assure you.

As for the decision-making mechanism for sending the Russian air group and, as they said before, the limited military contingent to the base under Latakia, there was no spontaneity or haste here. All actions were previously considered, carefully calculated and agreed with the supreme commander. It is no longer a secret that combat aircraft and some special forces of the armed forces were sent in advance to Syria ...

─ Although at first we discouraged it.

Let's be realistic: everyone understands that the transfer of several dozen planes cannot be concealed, everything is visible from space

─ Not so. We did not confirm or deny the information, simply did not comment on it. Standard international practice. By the way, quite legitimate. But let's be realistic: everyone understands that the transfer of several dozen planes cannot be concealed, everything is visible from space.

The final stage of the discussion of the operation in Syria with the participation of our military was held at a meeting of the Russian Security Council late at night on September 9th. We once again weighed the pros and cons, the pros and cons. Only after this did the President's appeal to the Council of the Federation, the text of which I brought early in the morning of the next day to the building on Bolshaya Dmitrovka ...

─ The Americans have already predicted the speedy losses of Russians in Syria. It is clear that there are no wars without sacrifices, but how much do you think the threat of such a development of events is great?

─ I told you that we evaluated all possible risks. Our soldiers will not participate in armed clashes on the ground, this was announced immediately and quite definitely. The home airfield where Russian aircraft are flying from is located in an area fully controlled by Syrian government forces. There is a level of protection. Very serious. In addition, in addition to pilots and technicians, a small detachment of our special forces engaged in the physical security of the airfield is located at the base near Latakia. It is quite natural that anyone would do that. Therefore, I would not talk about the serious threat of an attack on the Russian military grouping in Syria. Theoretically everything is possible, but preventive measures have been taken.

As for the words about the expected losses, we will not become like and recount the already lost American Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 21 October 2015 05: 49 New
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    it is quite clear that only by military means will the situation in Syria not be resolved ... sooner or later it will be necessary to begin a political settlement.

    Finally, at least one more sane leader appeared. The country doesn’t live by Putin alone, there is still “gunpowder in powder flasks” in Russia, it was a lot of such specialists that our country has long lacked. Not a single superfluous word, everything about the case, it’s a pleasure to read, to comment difficult, too thin article.
    1. science fiction writer
      science fiction writer 21 October 2015 06: 00 New
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      Not a single superfluous word, everything about the case, it’s a pleasure to read, to comment difficult, too thin article.

      I agree not with any verbiage and stupid talking-room everything is accurate and clear in essence of life. Not many are capable of it. good
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 21 October 2015 06: 22 New
        +1
        ─ But you didn’t answer, Sergey Borisovich, why did we need to get into a fight right now?

        Oil has fallen in price and it is not worth hoping for its soon rise in price. Therefore, it makes sense to boost arms exports. To do this, you need to conduct a large advertising campaign. And why the Syrian operation is bad for this.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 21 October 2015 08: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: Mahmut
          Oil has fallen in price and it is not worth hoping for its soon rise in price. Therefore, it makes sense to boost arms exports. To do this, you need to conduct a large advertising campaign.

          this is not the root cause, but the accompanying profits in the performance of tasks.
      2. Shveps
        Shveps 21 October 2015 09: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: fiction
        everything is accurate and clear in essence of life. N


        Quote: “I love history and I know that Russia has always been feared. So it was under the tsarist regime, and under the Soviet system. Nothing before scared and now vyyuzhim. "
        Of course now under oligarchic capitalism Russia is stronger than ever.
        The enemy tremble!
        1. mark2
          mark2 21 October 2015 18: 47 New
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          Irony or even your sarcasm is clear to me and close to me. Smiled.
      3. kot28.ru
        kot28.ru 21 October 2015 14: 24 New
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        When real business executives appear in the economic sphere, does it feel like there is a power bloc that defends the interests of the state and there is a bloc of liberal economists who stubbornly keep the state on the raw material needle for the benefit of international capitalism for the interests of capitalists? what
        1. mark2
          mark2 21 October 2015 19: 19 New
          +1
          Hmm ... not soon. Skilled managers from the ruling circles survived back in the 90s. And most of them retired. Their students and followers do not really want to steer the country, because all the same economists and accountants will stand above them, for whom ambulance is important at minimal cost.
          The whole problem is that the world economy does not reproduce anything. If initially it was important that your income exceeded expenses, then later it didn’t matter what your income was, it was important that you could service your debts and take new loans to increase capitalization. Now this mechanism stops working. It becomes clear to everyone that we must return to the roots. Those. so that enterprises start working and their incomes are higher than expenses. And how to return in the current economic model? No one knows.

          That's about the same thing happening in our economy. It is not for nothing that our rulers constantly talk about investments. They simply cannot imagine what needs to be done so that the economy begins to reproduce itself!
          Investing will not help. because they will be invested in highly profitable, high-speed enterprises, funds, etc.
          Every day on the radio they tell me how important it is to invest your capital in some investment funds with a yield of 30-40% !!! Is that a pyramid? What in an economy, a normal economy, can give such a return? Only JSC "MMM"!
          If money in Russia can be earned by doing nothing, but only by playing on exchanges, investing them in investment funds, then there can be no question of any industrial, economic and other revival of our country !! No small business in tandem with an average economy will be saved. This business is for those who are not in the subject. Those. there are hands and a head, but there is no ability to make money out of nothing, and oil wells and large enterprises are already captured by more nimble tribesmen.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 October 2015 08: 04 New
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      Quote: venaya
      Finally, at least one more sane leader appeared

      Why finally? Not the first day it works, it’s just not very noticeable, it doesn’t like to stand out unlike some.
      1. lukke
        lukke 21 October 2015 11: 38 New
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        “Why finally? Not the first day it’s working, it’s just not very noticeable, it doesn’t like to stand out unlike some”
        That's for sure. According to the American classification of our members of the government, he is a "hawk"). Sergey Ivanov was very spoiled by the scandal associated with his son, a road accident with a fatal outcome for the victim. After that, he was "gone" into the shadows and is only now beginning to appear publicly and much)
        And he was touched by a pearl with a "troika": Shoigu, Patrushev and Ivanov. The last two I agree, former high-ranking Chekists, international affairs, But Shoigu ....)))) don’t tell my slippers, from him an international analyst, like Mozambique, Minister of Culture.
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    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 21 October 2015 08: 20 New
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      Quote: venaya
      it is quite clear that only by military means will the situation in Syria not be resolved ... sooner or later it will be necessary to begin a political settlement.

      Finally, at least one more sane leader appeared. The country doesn’t live by Putin alone, there is still “gunpowder in powder flasks” in Russia, it was a lot of such specialists that our country has long lacked. Not a single superfluous word, everything about the case, it’s a pleasure to read, to comment difficult, too thin article.

      Why did he appear, he came to politics along with GDP and, even during Putin’s first term, was Minister of Defense, although I may be mistaken, but he holds posts in the Kremlin in my opinion from 2000-01.
    4. Curculum
      Curculum 21 October 2015 08: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: venaya
      Finally, at least one more sane leader appeared.

      And Ivanov didn’t show up anywhere - he’s just not promoting like some. Yes, and the latest tragic events made themselves felt ...
    5. Azitral
      Azitral 21 October 2015 09: 34 New
      +3
      You know, one by one. There was no one to look at, and then, somehow. Lavrov, Shoigu, Kozak, Ivanov. Yes, and the same Ragozin. He loves to say, but they call him a chatterbox in vain. People appear. One at a time, but "people's commissars" appear. God forbid.
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 21 October 2015 11: 43 New
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        I know, but that’s not the point: if a development vector is chosen, then there will be people. Regardless of direction.
    6. Nick
      Nick 21 October 2015 09: 45 New
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      Quote: venaya
      Finally, at least one more sane leader appeared

      Ivanov has long been manifested. And as the Minister of Defense, and as the head of special. services. Ivanov is a real patriot of Russia, not a conjuncturist.
    7. Talgat
      Talgat 22 October 2015 20: 49 New
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      Quote: venaya
      Finally, at least one more sane leader appeared

      Sergey Ivanov appeared long ago, and not now

      He is considered the "hawk" and the leader of the "power bloc" in power as opposed to the "liberals" for more than 10 years

      In recent years, Putin has been leaning in favor of the security forces and moving away from the "liberals" - the appointment of Ivanov, Shoigu, the approach of Bortnikov Patrushev Lavrov and others, etc. all signs that the government is changing its "orientation"

      All this is greatly helped by 2 factors - the clumsy gross aggression of the United States against Russia and the same clumsy gross stance of the oligarchs and their media connected with Jewish families. Putin did not want conflicts - he tried to agree for a long time. so that the bourgeois would grow fat and “the people wouldn’t die” but they didn’t compromise in 2003 - it began by a heavy kneading - well, we all know (it all started with the Rothschilds and Khodorka)
  2. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN 21 October 2015 05: 56 New
    +6
    I always treated Sergei Borisovich with respect, a man with his own opinion and his own vision of problems ... for which he pays off periodically ... how could the KGB general as Minister of Defense be exchanged for Lieutenant Serdyukov ???
    My purely opinion, I will not arrange a polemic ....
    soldier
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 21 October 2015 06: 02 New
    +3
    In addition, besides pilots and technicians, at the base near Latakia there is also small detachment our special forces involved in the physical protection of the airfield
    and this is certainly not a guard company, as in peacetime, when along the perimeter, from a fighter to a fighter, almost half a kilometer ...
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 21 October 2015 07: 22 New
      +5
      Well, he will not voice the numbers and show plans)))
      - Do you have many employees on guard?
      - Little.
      - How much is a little?
      - Enough for the guard ...
      Everything, the curtain)))
  4. noWAR
    noWAR 21 October 2015 06: 06 New
    +4
    The political sideways throwing from Russia seems to be over, it remains to hope for a progressive policy in the state’s economy, although after yesterday’s article it is hard to believe. I would like more of those drops that sharpen the stone.
  5. DAYMAN
    DAYMAN 21 October 2015 06: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: fiction

    I agree not with any verbiage and stupid talking-room everything is accurate and clear in essence of life. Not many are capable of it. good

    ... until 1985 in the residency in Finland, and then in Kenya [3] (where, in his own words, was transferred due to his disclosure in Europe by Oleg Gordievsky).
    In 1991-1998 he continued to work in the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia. He completed his intelligence service as First Deputy Director of the European Department of Foreign Intelligence Services of Russia.
    What a talking room .....
  6. ImPerts
    ImPerts 21 October 2015 06: 09 New
    +1
    Good article.
    In Syria, Russia is addressing several issues. Hope all 100% will be resolved.
    Z. S. Somewhere it flashed that the IS daily makes 2.300.000.000 killed raccoons on oil. And this is subject to low prices and dumping on their part. And Turkey earns mainly on this oil. I can’t vouch for the numbers, not mine ...
  7. Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 October 2015 06: 11 New
    +1
    Indeed, everything is on the shelves. Balm for the soul. I would still listen to Lavrov, but he has a different Role. Here I wonder who the next president is, again, DAM?
    1. noWAR
      noWAR 21 October 2015 06: 17 New
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      Quote: Barracuda
      again, again DAM?

      Are you joking? Nobody will understand this encore number!
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 21 October 2015 06: 20 New
        +2
        Sergei ! Well, you understand smile The site is not at all fools ..
      2. Azitral
        Azitral 21 October 2015 09: 39 New
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        With two hands for Ivanov, but he is a little old. now we need a man 45 - 55, and who has achieved concrete success in the state. construction.
    2. EvgNik
      EvgNik 21 October 2015 08: 01 New
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      Quote: Barracuda
      again, again DAM?

      Not DAM. Who will vote for him? Neither fish nor fowl.
    3. muhomor
      muhomor 21 October 2015 08: 23 New
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      Most likely, Shoigu.
  8. anfreezer
    anfreezer 21 October 2015 06: 20 New
    +1
    "Let’s be realistic: everyone understands that you can’t hide the transfer of several dozen planes, you can see everything from space

    ─ Not so. We did not confirm or deny the information, we simply did not comment on it. "

    I would like it to be always so that after the silence on the part of our leadership about the unclear "movement" around any event, regional or global, after we, uninitiated in state secrets, would put forward a lot of fantastic and mutually exclusive versions about the development of this event ... still here ... so that pleasant and smart (and this is most important) surprises are always waiting for us ..
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 October 2015 06: 30 New
    +5
    Serious man. It is good that he is in the GDP team, and not in the opposition. A real scout. It is a pity that next to GDP there is no such level of economist ...
    1. Neophyte
      Neophyte 21 October 2015 07: 18 New
      +2
      Glazyev-adviser, but in the shade?
      1. Azitral
        Azitral 21 October 2015 09: 49 New
        +2
        Please do not get carried away by Glazyev. His proposals have a lot of reason, but in general - it is very controversial. And - there is no main thing. A resource has not been proposed, including it in the economy, you can make a breakthrough and then develop steadily for a long time. CA and Qatar have easily produced hydrocarbons, China has cheap and high-quality labor, Korea and Japan have a long coast. We have it (and these are NOT hydrocarbons), but Glazyev does not say anything about it. He does not understand that this is a resource, does not offer / does not know how to integrate it comprehensively into circulation. Without this, any economic reform is nothing more than shifting money from pocket to pocket.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 21 October 2015 12: 37 New
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          Quote: Azitral
          Please do not get carried away by Glazyev. His proposals have a lot of reason, but in general - it is very controversial. And - there is no main thing. A resource has not been proposed, including it in the economy, you can make a breakthrough and then develop steadily for a long time. CA and Qatar have easily produced hydrocarbons, China has cheap and high-quality labor, Korea and Japan have a long coast. We have it (and these are NOT hydrocarbons), but Glazyev does not say anything about it. He does not understand that this is a resource, does not offer / does not know how to integrate it comprehensively into circulation. Without this, any economic reform is nothing more than shifting money from pocket to pocket.

          Forget about cheap labor.
          "... In 2014, the average salary in Chinese cities was $ 731. Over 15 years, it has grown more than 15 times. In Russia, if you trust the same study, it is $ 686. The cheapness of labor in China has already turned into a myth. In this case, however, do not forget about the specifics of labor relations in China, actually irregular working hours and a minimum of holidays-holidays.On the other hand, production in China requires additional costs for controllers: if you do not keep abreast, the product quality will be unpredictable. .. "
          http://secretmag.ru/articles/2015/04/09/titov/
          1. Azitral
            Azitral 21 October 2015 13: 35 New
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            She was. Allowed to get up, dial "reel". And now it has ceased to be an "accessible resource", and, in this regard, has been used up. Now - not cheap, but more qualified. The climb took place, now you can look further. And we did not even take on the colossal work of turning our main resource into the "main product". They would take it, and everything would gradually go along with the people and the country. Like a person who has found a business for which he was created, you know?
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  10. sa-ag
    sa-ag 21 October 2015 06: 47 New
    +2
    "Sergei Ivanov: do not think that everything is decided in the Kremlin. Not all"
    Sergey Ivanov betrayed a terrible bourgeois secret :-)

    "... I already explained why we found it possible to answer the request of the legitimate leadership of Syria to help him in the fight against terrorists of various stripes."

    Yanukovych also voiced a similar request, albeit from Rostov-on-Don, albeit on a piece of paper. Let's not forget that all these operations are the expenditure side of the budget, this is not the USSR, which could afford the support of any regime for ideological reasons, here, like in all other actions, monetary interest lies implicitly, it simply is not shown to the public
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 21 October 2015 07: 17 New
      +6
      Quote: sa-ag
      Yanukovych also voiced a similar request, albeit from Rostov-on-Don, albeit on a piece of paper.

      There is a fundamental difference between Assad and Yanukovych. Assad lasted for 4 of the year and hopes for a quick change of power did not materialize, thereby burying talk of all-encompassing popular anger that razed the tyrannical dynasty.
      Yanukovych was without balls in his pants and passed everything.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 21 October 2015 07: 29 New
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        Quote: ImPerts
        There is a fundamental difference between Assad and Yanukovych.

        There is a fact about the request of the lawful president, bordering on the Russian Federation, a country that would be a convenient neutral sanitary cordon, and Syria is not, but with its loss, the Russian Federation will suffer financial losses in the hydrocarbon market, money, that's all
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 21 October 2015 08: 12 New
          +2
          Quote: sa-ag
          would be a convenient neutral sanitary cordon, and Syria is not

          It is also how. ISIS has a task? Islamic state from the Volga to Africa. And appetites grow during meals. So you don’t have to reassure yourself that they are far away and have nothing to do with us, just as they have. Evil needs to be crushed in the bud. Recently there are more and more throws that we are in Syria just because of problems with oil and gas. I consider such attacks playing into the hands of our enemies.
          1. sa-ag
            sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 22 New
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            Quote: EvgNik
            It is also how.

            Well, how can it be a cordon if it does not have a common border?
            "Evil must be crushed in the bud."
            But the embryo is not Syria or even Iraq, this topic begins with Afghanistan
        2. ImPerts
          ImPerts 21 October 2015 08: 25 New
          +1
          First, Yanukovych was declared illegal and Turchinov, with whom the democratic West was talking, is an example. Secondly, to fulfill the request of Yanukovych means to rally everyone around the Ukrainian radicals and give the world a cesspool an occasion for concrete accusations and the emergence of a new Afghanistan near the western borders of Russia, which this cesspool will unite to help. Thirdly, the experience of the Malaysian Boeing shows that the Western community will interpret the legal principles and basic concepts in its favor. And public opinion will obediently believe this. Both in "democratic" countries and within the country, in the "broad popular" strata of convinced democrats and liberals.
      2. AlNikolaich
        AlNikolaich 21 October 2015 07: 42 New
        +2
        Quote: ImPerts
        Quote: sa-ag
        Yanukovych also voiced a similar request, albeit from Rostov-on-Don, albeit on a piece of paper.

        There is a fundamental difference between Assad and Yanukovych. Assad lasted for 4 of the year and hopes for a quick change of power did not materialize, thereby burying talk of all-encompassing popular anger that razed the tyrannical dynasty.
        Yanukovych was without balls in his pants and passed everything.

        And I see a slightly different! The main factor is popular support. Assad has it! Citizens
        believe in their president and support. Syria would not have been possible without this!
        Yanukovych, trying to sit on two chairs, flirting with the oligarchs, and stealing, lost any
        popular support! In all places of Ukraine. Nobody will go for that! Hence the result!
        Therefore, I do not separate Assad from the people of Syria.
        But the Western coalition seeks to “leave” Assad, but does not say a word about the people! And to ask
        need to! 80% of Syrian people support the president, what will happen to them if Assad leaves?
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 21 October 2015 08: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: AlNikolaich
          The main factor is popular support. Assad has it! Citizens
          believe in their president and support. Syria would not have been possible without this!

          Therefore, he wrote about four years and the inability to assert after such that the people are against Assad.
  11. dog1965
    dog1965 21 October 2015 07: 24 New
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    I really want to believe that such verified steps in foreign policy will someday be reflected in the domestic one, but so far, apart from the appointment to the Ministry of Culture of Medinsky, nothing of the kind has been observed. Yes, and now this department is experiencing punctures with state financing of the wrong projects (apparently there are a lot of liberals in it). Today, the picture as a whole is as follows: I want complete power, but we stumbled upon external opposition, which we are fighting with (in general, this is good for Russia as an independent state), however, it suits the order inside - so in words we’ll talk about pleasant things for the people, even we’ll take some steps, but on the whole we will not change the liberal system.
  12. Signaller
    Signaller 21 October 2015 08: 23 New
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    Here are the right words Attempts to punish Russia are meaningless and ineffective. That's expelled from the G8. Thought we were very upset. Yes G8 or G7 and Canada ???? This is generally nonsense. Sounds like a joke.
  13. sl22277
    sl22277 21 October 2015 09: 50 New
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    (From the full version of the article). S.I Ivanov: “we will never do anything to the detriment of national interests just for the sake of lifting sanctions. I repeat: we won’t! We didn’t introduce these measures and we are not going to discuss in any format what is needed to cancel them” .
  14. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 21 October 2015 10: 03 New
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    Depends on a situation. Maybe Ivanov will have a chance.
    Quote: Barracuda
    Indeed, everything is on the shelves. Balm for the soul. I would still listen to Lavrov, but he has a different Role. Here I wonder who the next president is, again, DAM?
  15. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 October 2015 11: 41 New
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    don't think that everything is decided in the Kremlin. Not all

    Really it finally dawned.) All that was left for them to figure out is what they really decide in the Kremlin themselves, and what various "well-wishers" and other "investors" suggest to them. You see, they will begin to build a normal country, for the people, and not for "our foreign partners."
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 October 2015 11: 52 New
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    And what is the truth nobody cares about in the Donbass? A year and a half, they threw minuses at each other, and as a means of mass disinformation shut up. so and carrots with it?
  17. Yura
    Yura 21 October 2015 12: 08 New
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    N..yes, the law of the jungle, he is one, everyone eats everyone. Some eat the jungle, others eat those who eat the jungle, the jungle live at the expense of those who live in them turning into fertilizers. This is exactly what the world order is in modern times, Russia and those countries who understand this are trying to change it, because there can be a symbiosis in the world order, where the existence of some can help the existence of others without cutting each other in the butcher's deck.
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 21 October 2015 12: 12 New
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      Quote: Jura
      N..yes, the law of the jungle, he is one, everyone eats everyone. Some eat the jungle, others eat those who eat the jungle, the jungle live at the expense of those who live in them turning into fertilizers

      This is called the food chain. It’s important who is on top of it.
  18. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 21 October 2015 14: 05 New
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    I’ll answer the question that not everything is “solved in the Kremlin”, it’s bad that many of the decisions that should have been made in the Kremlin are not solved. It comes to mind that Khazanov’s reprise in the village of Gadyukino rains, what do you think Comrade Stalin would do, I think the leaders would be called they asked the collective farm, district, regional committee what the local party organization and executive committees did so that it didn’t rain, I am sure THESE leaders in the SHORTEST TIME decided the rainy question, which prevents the issue of drunkenness and ravaging on the roads from resolving, this is because of the drunk drivers dying bol ie 20 147 RUSSIAN CITIZENS of them one third of the children or the fight against corruption as it could happen that the stool was appointed the Russian Ministry of Defense, but his forehead is written BOP or business Khoroshavina, geyser and other such examples Kremlin blunders weight. The Kremlin probably needs to THINK HOW TO SOLVE ISSUES that its actions or inaction affect the entire XNUMX million population of RUSSIA, but on the account THINK in the Kremlin is somehow bad.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 21 October 2015 14: 37 New
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      Quotation: I.P.
      what do you think comrade Stalin would do

      but you might think how Catherine the Great, Peter the Great, and Ivan the Terrible would act ... Yes, there were Rulers - they didn’t have any mistakes, and Joseph Vissarionovich was such an “unmistakable standard”. And how to continue to live with non-something?
  19. onix757
    onix757 21 October 2015 20: 45 New
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    And his son has a smart head, talented, however, like Fradkov and any other member of the government
  20. user3970
    user3970 21 October 2015 22: 46 New
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    With regards to Ivanova ... Both GDP and Ivanov are former intelligence officers. But comparing the SVR and the KGB is a comparison of God's gift with fried eggs. And the 5th department of the KGB, whose functions included, among other things, surveillance of Soviet citizens, especially those who were abroad. And we must remember that the main "merit" in the collapse of the USSR lies precisely with the KGB. Regarding today's time about the SVR - I do not know, there is little information. But about the KGB-FSB ... It seems to me that this office has become a purely commercial structure and God forbid with a criminal bias. Ivanov is an SVR officer in the rank of general (how many stars are on uniform?), GDP is a KGB colonel. According to IQ, the difference in brain intelligence is an order of magnitude. And yet ... For Ivanov (at least for today I do not have such information, except for an accident with my son), a criminal story does not stretch. But for GDP ... By the way, don’t enlighten, some people sitting on this forum know what ACS is the Perimeter of Moscow Defense. So for now, an unverified rumor, the head and owner of AFK Sistema (tell me your last name) along with Shoigu, slipped us a fake on budget money, and hundreds of billions of rubles bye-bye. This means that in the event of an attack from outside and the death of the top leaders there is NO retaliation in automatic mode WILL NOT! This is why it is explained by = what the beast of GDP has been looking at Shoigu for recently.
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 22 October 2015 16: 15 New
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      Or maybe the GDP is still a Jew?