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Pseudo-patriotism: a tumor on the body of patriotism

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Pseudo-patriotism: a tumor on the body of patriotism



Pseudo-patriotism, its forms and goals


In connection with the events of the last year in the country, not only did patriotic sentiments grow, but the negative towards Russophobia and Westerners of various kinds intensified. Now, arguments about how everything is good in the West and how bad everything is in Russia do not find support from almost anyone. But the information war against Russia continues, and the Russophobes simply changed tactics. Pseudo-patriotism comes to replace frank Russophobia.

Pseudo-patriotism differs from true patriotism in that it carries a hidden ideological charge that can, with a successful impact, turn a patriot into a Russophobe. How to do it? There are many scenarios and methods for processing the brain. Since patriots, like all people, are different, you can find your own approach to each of them.

How to make a hater of Russia from a patriot of Russia? Only gradually, changing his worldview piece by piece. One cannot immediately instill hatred towards Russia, but one can instill hatred first towards an individual - for example, towards the President or the Patriarch. For starters, this will be enough. Or to some period of his stories. Next - a matter of technology.

Pseudo-patriotism: types and methods of influencing consciousness.


Pseudo-patriotic currents had been enough before, and they successfully processed people's brains, but in the last year they became especially active, having received financial infusions from the West. Here are the main ones:

Pseudopatriotism in the form of dolboslavia.




Who are dolboslavy, they are pagans, they are neo-pagans, they are also members of worshipers - it has been known for a long time. These clowns cause nothing but laughter in an adult sane person. But, despite this, dolboslavy continue to successfully process the brains of patriotic youth, turning those who managed to process, into an exact copy of the jumping Great Ukrov. The main goal of the dolboslavov is to incite hostility and hatred towards Orthodoxy and the Russian Orthodox Church, as one of the state-forming institutions.

At the same time, Dolboslags never openly oppose Islam or Judaism. It would seem that these religions should cause them no less hatred, what is the matter? The answer is simple. First of all, sorry for being honest, stsyklivo. The Jews for such attacks will immediately be planted, and for a long time, and Muslims can figure out without a court. It’s much safer to bark at peaceful and kind Orthodox Christians - you immediately feel big, formidable, powerful. Well, like that Pug, which barked at the imperturbable, not noticing her elephant.

And secondly, the goal of the dolboslavov is to incite enmity between the Russians, among whom are Muslims and Jews, and the cat wept. To set some Russians on others is the true goal of the Dolboslav movements.

But not only. Not only internet hamsters are cultivated in Dolboslav sects, but also cannon fodder that can be used in any cataclysms and upheavals. To do this, dolbo-bosoms instill the complexes of “small people”, total hatred for everyone around them and, first of all, for their people. The Russian people, in the opinion of the labor dolbosla, is a stupid redneck, whose religion is not even their own. Even the kings of others. Even writing and that imposed. And only he and a handful of his friends, great and wise, know the true history of the Slavs, a billion years ago who flew in from Sirius and won the orcs of Atlantis in alliance with the elves!

You find it funny? And I do not really. Because, having communicated with dolboslavy, I recognize in them as cannon fodder from the Ukrainian Maidan, and uporotyh Wahhabis, ready to kill anyone will be shown and blow themselves up where they are ordered. This is a classic cannon fodder. Therefore, when dolboslav says to you that “but we do not drink and do sports”, remember that Wahhabis do not drink either and play sports.

The good news is that the percentage of the real cannon fodder among dolboslavov is extremely small. Basically, these are computer warriors who, under the jar of Yagi, are urging everyone to go right now to blow up the Kremlin and kill Putin. But the bad thing is that they spread their ideas like a virus, and a new hamster picks them up.

Pseudo-patriotism in the form of monarchism




If a person simply believes that “with the king was better” - there is nothing wrong with that. Opinion, though controversial, but has the right to exist. If a person calls himself a "monarchist" and is worn with his "monarchism" aki with a written sack - in front of you is a classic washed pseudo-patriot. Why? Because the ideas that such figures carry are frankly directed against Russia and very convenient for the West.

To make sure of this, it is enough to delve into the history of the issue. The fashion for "monarchism" appeared in 80, among the then dissidents and liberasts who openly hated the Russian people. Since this is pseudo-patriotism, something like a Russian kagbe was needed as an idol, but so that with this Russian kagbe it was possible to stir up hatred between Russians. At that time, the tsarist regime was ideally suited as such a fetish, which in the USSR was often sprinkled with mud, sometimes truly unfair. And at the same time the White Guards, which causes a rupture of the brain in anyone who knows the story. After all, the overwhelming majority of white generals loved the tsar even less than the Bolsheviks, and the Russian people in general did not particularly like them. For example, the same Denikin, under whose command the Chechens and Ignushi recklessly cut Russians and Ukrainians. Or Baron Ungern is an uprooted fascist, who preached Pan-Mongolism and openly called the Slavs a lower race. Or Wrangel, who openly promised to sell Russia for the loot just to Europe in total slavery. In general, the phrase “foreigners will help us” appeared precisely among the White Guards. And Admiral, who is so adored by today's “monarchists”, for a minute, sawed out Siberians by whole villages, that is, was engaged in outright genocide of Russians.

What kind of patriotism is this, if Russian killers are proclaimed heroes? And this is the classic pseudo-patriotism - one to one the same can be observed in ukrov with their worship of Bandera. That “hera” is also in Ukrainian blood to the very neck, which does not prevent Ukrainian pseudo-patriots from worshiping it. Like our "monarchists", nothing prevents us from worshiping Krasnov and Vlasov. And there and to frank love to Hitler one step.

And how in one ideology the worship of the royal dynasty of the Romanovs is combined with these figures - ask the participants of the Swamp 2012 this. There, in one crowd, imperial flags and rainbow flags of homosexuals were quietly flying. This is called pseudo-patriotism.

If we remember the real monarchists of those times, they did not fight against the Bolsheviks. The Black Hundreds and other people loyal to the Tsar bitterly admitted that the Bolsheviks, though evil, were the least evil for Russia, so they would have to be supported so that it would not be even worse.

The goal of “monarchism” is instilling hatred to a specific period in the history of our country, namely, from 1917 to 1991. This is a very important period, only the victory over fascism and Gagarin are worth something. To change pride in the achievements of their fathers to the hatred of these achievements, this form of pseudo-patriotism was created. What is interesting is that these “patriots” are of little interest to the periods of the tsarist times themselves; they are not able to list, in order, the Russian tsars, they don’t know that the imperial flag they loved so much was the state’s 25 years old, and besides hate for the “Bolsheviks” (which , 25 does not exist for years), they are not interested in anything. Doesn't it remind anyone? For example, some residents of a neighboring country, all of whose thoughts are occupied with hatred for someone else's president?

Pseudo-patriotism in the form of a communist ideology



Here, perhaps, it is worth recalling, first of all, that the communists in Russia do not exist for a very long time. The authorities haven't had 1991 since August (although they started losing real power much earlier), and the 1993 was finally destroyed by the communist movement in Russia in October. Today's unsuccessful parodies of the CPSU are nothing more than speculation on the nostalgia of the older generation in the USSR and one of the breeding grounds for pseudo-patriotism.

Today's “communists” are sponsored from capitalist sources, from Russian entrepreneurs to the West. In terms of information processing of potential adherents, these "communists" are no different from "monarchists", especially since they feed on one hand. The main ideas are capitalists in power, that's why everything is bad, and there is only one way to fix it - PUTINGETEVSENAMAYDAN!

Pseudo-patriotism in the form of Nazism



In practice, even the nineties skinheads didn’t do anything more serious than beating Azeris on the market. On the other hand, the brains of youth were actively polluted by ideas that were in no way compatible with Russian patriotism. In the 2000s, these figures, constantly shouting about their hatred of all non-Russians, switched to a “war” with representatives of various subcultures, most of whom are quite Russian in their own right: rappers, emo, and other dull and harmless individuals. The more harmless, the better. The top of heroism is to attack ten yard-makers on the Tajik janitor, which quite naturally reinforced the mutual hatred of guest workers and the local population. After such an incident, the Tajik began to hate the Russians and did not consider it bad to wring the phone away from the Russian schoolchild, which in turn added the hatred of the local population to all the "chocks" and further around. As required.

Today, Nazi activism in real life has almost disappeared, but they are actively involved in propaganda, inciting hatred primarily among the indigenous peoples of Russia, calling for secession of regions, genocide and anarchy. And such Nazis are not only Russian nationality. There are Nazis among Caucasians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other indigenous peoples of Russia. All receive money from one source and work according to the same scheme, leading to a split of the country from within.

Ask a Nazi calling for, for example, separating the Caucasus in order to get rid of Caucasians: why, when Azerbaijan was separated, the Azeris in Russian cities became many times larger, but so far they were one country - nobody saw them? After that, you can sit back and enjoy the flow of hatred of the leader, who broke off all the propaganda in this community.

Pseudo-patriotism in new wrappers

In view of recent events, new pseudo-patriotic movements have appeared, the aim of which is also to make patriots enemies of Russia and, ideally, meat for Maidans. Here are the main ones:

"Putinislilshchiki". These are actively watching the war in Novorossia, for which they don’t want to go there and take part in person. Declare that the militia prevents Putin personally from winning, if not for Putin - they would have been in Kiev a long time ago. Different options: does not send troops, does not support weapons, interferes with the real heroes, promoting "their", directly prohibits the offensive, etc. As in all pseudo-patriots, in “putterslinschiki” the features of Great Ukrov are easily visible: it turns out that it is Putin who is responsible for everything that happens in the neighboring country.

"Sancciopanikery". These are close to liberasts, since they accuse Putin of all the sanctions imposed by the West, because of which we all now just die of hunger. It was precisely these figures who, with all their might, threw in ducks that they would block all Sberbank cards tomorrow — and yet achieved panic at ATMs and an outflow of funds, which hit the Russian economy as well as any sanction. It was they who bred in December the panic that tomorrow everything would rise in price by 100500, provoking a stir in the stores. Uncle Liao is delighted.

"Anti-refugees". These are making a panic about the fact that Putin (again, ONE, CAM, PERSONALLY) let in the country billions of refugees from Ukraine, who will take all our jobs and eat us all. Funny But on some acts and such.

Common pseudo-patriotism promises


"Everything is fine in Russia, but ..." This is followed by a systematic incitement of hatred towards hotel state structures or politically significant people. First of all to Putin. To this end, it is strongly suggested that Putin ONE, PERSONALLY is responsible for everything that happens in Russia and on the international arena — from currency rate changes to “I have someone shit at the entrance”

"In Russia, everything is bad, because ..." Reverse message, but with the same goals. The fact that “everything is bad” is blamed on someone (most often Putin, less often the Orthodox Church, the FSB, the police, or simply the mythical “Jews”).

“We cannot change anything because ...” Then again, the options: everything is controlled by the West, all captured zhidy, chocks or even some terrible enemies, and we are all sheep. This promise can be traced in almost all pseudo-patriots: we are nobody and nothing, others decide everything for us. An inferiority complex is being instilled, which entails aggression. What is required.

"Around enemies". Power is enemies, enemies in the West, enemies in Ukraine, China is the enemy, officials are the enemies, the police are the enemies, in general, all the enemies, just grab the machine gun right now and start watering everything around you in a queue - you will not be mistaken. The meaning of the message is more than clear.

How to distinguish pseudo-patriotism from normal patriotism?

Normal patriots always call for creation, pseudo-patriots - for destruction. The one who carries the negative and tries to call for some destructive "with good goals" is definitely not a patriot.

In general, in order not to hit one of the pseudo-patriotic currents, it’s best to really look at things and really assess your capabilities. Well, if you don’t overthrow the government, neither yours nor others, be you at least three times a patriot. You will not achieve the dismissal of a major official, you will not take billions from the oligarch. Unless they take a jump on the areas in the "meat", so that some big uncles take the loot from other big uncles. Ukraine is a vivid example. Strong there are simple "patriots" improved their lives?

Do what you can. Plant a tree, build a house, give birth to a son. Do you want to fight and seek justice? Fight and achieve next to you. Do not let the local officials steal, make your utilities work normally, kick drunken pals out of your doorway, organize a clean-up day to clean your yard. This is the real power of ordinary people. If hot water is constantly turned off in the house, and everyone is sitting in their apartments and chambers under their breath - they will turn it off. And if a minute after each shutdown, the whole house shouting “WHAT THE FUCKING PEACE ?!” will go out and go to the office of the relevant utilities in an organized manner - believe me, very quickly the water supply will start working without interruption. And so in everything.

There is an expression - “sweep your side of the street.” This means that I don’t see if the neighbor has swept up his side. Let him live in the mud if he wants. Even if the garbage from his side blows on my wind. Let, in the end, after all, live alone around the mud and no one sweeps. But I sweep in front of my house. And when I do this, my conscience will be calm. And only then can I blame my neighbor for not sweeping his side. If at least 10% of us “sweep our side of the street” - life will be noticeably better. Remember this.
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  1. venaya
    venaya 21 October 2015 05: 35 New
    +9
    Set some Russians against others is the true goal

    A wonderful, relevant article. It is a pity that she appeared so late, many mistakes could be avoided. I will not say that I completely agree with her, there are some points where the author puts it, but, in such a short article, it is simply not possible to explain everything in detail. It is necessary to continue this topic and create a series of articles.
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      1. venaya
        venaya 21 October 2015 06: 45 New
        +4
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        Brief summary of the article:

        Really. Everyone looks at what hurts him more, that’s natural. It hurts me more that people declare one thing, while in reality they do the opposite. For me, this topic is relevant, I myself dreamed of writing it, but there is very little necessary and useful information. The fact that you strictly judge the article, your right, I like the very fact of raising this topic, and not agree with the author for every privacy, I agree, I myself am for it.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 11: 50 New
          +11
          Quote: venaya
          . It hurts me more that people declare one thing, while in reality they do the opposite.

          Are you talking about our government? wink
          1. venaya
            venaya 21 October 2015 12: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Are you talking about our government?

            The article is devoted to the problem of pseudo-patriotism, that is, a certain group of people who are apparently paid from there, hiding behind the mask of patriotism. Some people don’t understand something, God bless them, others understand more than everything and playing on the psychology of people who are not very competent in these areas, they do their job for very weak grandmothers. As for the government: over half of such pseudo-patriots are possible there. Who counted? I am now impressed by the attack on me (my post) by the "Haettenschweiler" - a vivid example of the work. but who? But your post is just the answer to my answer to the post of "Haettenschweiler", possibly an inanimate troll. I haven’t seen such a thing yet, I myself am a bastard in complete surprise.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 59 New
              +13
              Quote: venaya
              that is, a certain group of persons paid for apparently from there, hiding behind the mask of patriotism

              There are such, I do not argue. But the author grabbed all the alternatives in one heap, “carefully” not mentioning that more damage to the state caused by statesmen themselves. It is they, cosmopolitans at the helm, leading the country, leading the country to the abyss. But they lead "competently", managing to make money, not letting them fall too quickly. With the thinking of the owner of a livestock farm whose cattle ration is calculated to grams, only from an economic point of view. But we are not cattle. We want to live better, but the author of those who disagree with the "diet" accuses him of betrayal. hi
              1. venaya
                venaya 21 October 2015 14: 03 New
                +1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                . more damage to the state caused by statesmen themselves. It is they, cosmopolitans at the helm, who lead the country to the abyss. ...

                You understand what you are writing: you have called outright enemies of the state, as well as enemies of the people living in this state, statesmen. Here I categorically cannot agree with you. The choice of terminology is more important than other words. I personally like the term "anti-statesmen", this term more honestly and more accurately reflects our reality. By the way, Colonel V.V. Kvachkov also liked to use this term, and I heard from him. Using inaccurate terminology is like playing a soccer game on a minefield, the player always loses. Otherwise, you accurately describe the situation, it coincides with mine, almost to the nuances.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 14: 19 New
                  +3
                  Quote: venaya
                  I personally like the term "anti-statesmen,"

                  Me too, but legally and actually they are civil servants. request
                  1. venaya
                    venaya 21 October 2015 14: 33 New
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Me too, but legally and actually they are civil servants.

                    It does not change anything: state. employees engaged in anti-state activities, abbreviated as "anti-state figures." Anyway, we come to the Kvachkov terminalology, nothing can be done. Further: in fact, “state employees” are true, but legally “state criminals”, nothing else comes of it.
              2. Robinzon57
                Robinzon57 21 October 2015 20: 14 New
                +3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                We want to live better, but the author of those who disagree with the "diet" accuses him of betrayal.

                Absolutely agree. Recently, several articles on this topic have been published, and in each such "clever men" are trying to convince us to be silent in a rag, not to interfere with plundering the country. Today, even the State Duma asked Shuvalov this question - and from him like water off a duck!
          2. andrejwz
            andrejwz 21 October 2015 13: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Are you talking about our government?

            Yesterday, almost all reports about the Krasnogorsk shooter ended: There could have been more victims!
            In connection with the government (with many of its members), the phrase from the Diamond Hand climbed into my head: "I should be in its place!"
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 21 October 2015 07: 07 New
        +12
        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        "if you are against the Orthodox Church (mired in corruption, acquiring earthly wealth and looking just ugly) - you are brainwashed

        Quote: Haettenschweiler
        The main message is that all "patriots" must by all means support the existing order of things and only very occasionally and very carefully criticize individual decisions of the government or individual "statesmen

        Very correct. Sometimes I really want to:
        ""just grab a gun now and start sprinkling everything in bursts""
        Not everything is around, of course, but I would like to thin out the ranks of liberalists and pseudo-patriots. And the oligarchs. And the bandits. And the workers are well of a very blue screen. Yes, we got a lot of trash, which I would like to reset.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 21 October 2015 07: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: EvgNik
          Very correct. Sometimes I really want to:
          "" just at least now grab the gun and start pouring everything around in bursts ""
          Not everything is around, of course, but I would like to thin out the ranks of liberalists and pseudo-patriots. And the oligarchs. And the bandits. And the workers are well of a very blue screen. Yes, we got a lot of trash, which I would like to reset.

          It’s not going to work out a bit, you’ve figured out how many things you’ll have and it will already be a different country, with a different regime
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 07: 30 New
            -7
            Quote: sa-ag
            It’s not going to work out a bit, you’ve figured out how many things you’ll have and it will already be a different country, with a different regime

            We will understand without advice from Kazakhstan.
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 21 October 2015 07: 33 New
              +10
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              We will understand without advice from Kazakhstan.

              But what about internationalism, the friendship of peoples? :-)
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 07: 40 New
                +1
                Quote: sa-ag

                But what about internationalism, the friendship of peoples? :-)

                But I don’t go to the sites of Kazakhstan and I don’t tell the Kazakhs how they should live, that Nazarbayev is not worthy to be the president of Kazakhstan. The Kazakhs themselves will figure out how to live and for whom to vote.
                And while you are sitting in Kazakhstan, you are sitting on Russian sites and shit watering everything you can.
                What do you need here at all? You don’t like Putin, so your problems. Many people like you don’t like him.
                1. sa-ag
                  sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 06 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And while you are sitting in Kazakhstan, you are sitting on Russian sites and shit watering everything you can.
                  What do you need here at all? You don’t like Putin, so your problems. Many people like you don’t like him.

                  This is a public resource, everyone can go to it and express their opinion.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 08: 21 New
                    -6
                    Quote: sa-ag
                    This is a public resource, everyone can go to it and express their opinion.

                    You have already been told about publicity and about your opinion.
                    1. sa-ag
                      sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 27 New
                      +21
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      You have already been told about publicity and about your opinion.

                      I’ll explain to you, Alexander Romanov, why I’m here, I was born in the USSR, I don’t consider the former RSFSR — the current Russian Federation as something separate or foreign, for me it remains part of a once big whole, so I think I have the moral right to go to any sites RF and express our opinion there, I hope you and I understood each other and will not continue to raise the issue of the reason for my presence on the site again and again, thank you for your attention.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 08: 34 New
                        -10
                        Quote: sa-ag
                        I do not consider the former RSFSR - the current Russian Federation as something separate or a foreign land

                        I noticed from comments that you’re driving your teeth off Russia.
                        Quote: sa-ag
                        and again raise the question of the reason for my presence on the site,

                        This is not for you to decide, you will start to hound again, and good bui.
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                      4. Was mammoth
                        Was mammoth 21 October 2015 09: 53 New
                        +9
                        The article did not like. Put a minus. Now by the rules.
              2. Altona
                Altona 21 October 2015 10: 57 New
                +11
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You don’t like Putin, so your problems. Many people like you don’t like him.

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                We partially do not like it, because inside the country there is no normal functional in many respects, in particular, in the economy (a huge resource base and poor financial support for this wealth). But Putin is not the ruble, so that everyone likes.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 11: 07 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Altona
                  We partially dislike him,

                  There is a difference in the fact that those who live inside the country do not like him, and when those who live abroad and dream when Putin is overthrown don't like him ..........
                  The owners bring order to their home, and not the neighbors dictate tips and conditions to you how you should live hi
            2. The lead
              The lead 21 October 2015 08: 41 New
              +16
              The author of the article does not understand at all what he is talking about, he would have to figure out the concept of what patriotism is, and then roll up the article. He listed all the "false patriots", rummaged in the eyes of each "enemy" pretty much in search of a straw, and there was a lie and sophists. He doesn’t just mention that there are cheers-patriots — I wonder why, maybe he himself is a cheers-patriot, from whom in reality there can be no less harm to the interests of the country than from the “enemies” of the human race, whom he so hateful with mud?
              1. Karabanov
                Karabanov 21 October 2015 10: 42 New
                +10
                Quote: Lead
                He just doesn’t mention that there are cheers-patriots, I wonder why, maybe he himself is a cheers-patriot, from whom in reality there can be no less harm to the interests of the country than from the “enemies” of the human race, whom he watered with such hatred dirt?

                The author has not identified such a definition of pseudo-patriots. Probably this does not fit into the established format of thinking. The friend-or-foe classification works flawlessly.
              2. Altona
                Altona 21 October 2015 11: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: Lead
                The author of the article does not understand at all what he is talking about, he would have to figure out the concept of what patriotism is, and then roll up the article. He listed all the "false patriots", rummaged in the eyes of each "enemy" pretty much in search of a straw, and there was a lie and sophistry.

                -------------------------
                Do you mean "patriotism without criticism"? Well, it exists not only in the form of “love for the motherland,” but also among all sports fans. Do you consider this a disease requiring treatment?
              3. just exp
                just exp 21 October 2015 12: 05 New
                -2
                the author wrote everything correctly, only this is not the whole picture, but only a part of it, but this part is described correctly. Judging by the nickname from the “Dolboslavs” cohort, by the way, I am fascinated by our ancestral home, the origins of peoples and others, but it’s exactly what I’m fond of this gave me some sober vision of history and all sorts of Rodnovers, Inglings and other woodpeckers are much more dangerous than liberals, liberals at least do not hide that they are against Russia, Rodnovers and other rabble pretend to be lovers of Russia and somehow try not to mention that they are tracing the Western sects and have nothing to do with Russia.
                1. just exp
                  just exp 21 October 2015 20: 26 New
                  +1
                  minusers first read at least Alekseev, and then minus, Rodnovers are Rockefeller gears, look for pictures of Levashov with Rockefeller. understand a lot.
                  Hitler on the same rake came the result is known to all, I read a lot about the Aryan ancestral home, and I know a little what it is about. so here. Rodnovers and Inglings (generally darkness, read who Ing was and how he relates to the Slavs) generally tries.
          2. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 07: 40 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We will understand without advice from Kazakhstan.

            Mountain aul. A resident comes to a neighbor.
            - Listen, tomorrow my wife’s son, lend a ram!
            - I can’t, but go to that house, there they will give you a ram!
            Went to that house.
            - Listen, tomorrow I’ll give my wife a son, lend me a ram!
            - I can’t, but go over to that house, there they will give you a ram!
            I went to that house.
            - Listen, tomorrow I will marry my son, lend me one ram!
            - I can’t, but go to the far house, they’ll give you a ram there!
            He walked, walked, walked ... meets the elder:
            - Listen, father! Why does no one give me a ram, but everyone gives advice on where to get a ram ?!
            - Because dear, because we do not have a country of sheep. We have a Country of Soviets !!!


            Good advice doesn't hurt anyone. wink
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 07: 44 New
              +3
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Good advice doesn't hurt anyone.

              Sahag’s advice is to overthrow the existing government in Russia. For that he has already been banned once. Now he has started again, giving “advice”.
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 07: 50 New
                +1
                Sahag’s advice is to overthrow the existing government in Russia. For that he has already been banned once. Now he has started again, giving “advice”.

                This is NOT good advice. lol
              2. sa-ag
                sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 04 New
                +3
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                For this, it has already been banned once.

                Do not mislead people, there the reason was completely different
                1. Altona
                  Altona 21 October 2015 11: 06 New
                  +5
                  Quote: sa-ag
                  Do not mislead people, there the reason was completely different

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                  For example, I also consider Kazakhstan a quasi-state, but at the same time I do not consider myself authorized to indicate to the Kazakhs with whom and how to live ...
                  1. sa-ag
                    sa-ag 21 October 2015 11: 16 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Altona
                    For example, I also consider Kazakhstan a quasi-state, but at the same time I do not consider myself authorized to indicate to the Kazakhs with whom and how to live ...

                    Each person has his own personal point of view and everyone can express it or keep it with him, this is his personal choice
                    1. navigator
                      navigator 21 October 2015 11: 41 New
                      +1
                      "Each person has his own personal point of view and everyone can express it or keep it with him, this is his personal choice"

                      One question. Why is Putin, Russia so worried, not Nazarbayev, Kazakhstan?
                    2. sa-ag
                      sa-ag 21 October 2015 11: 51 New
                      +2
                      Quote: navigator
                      One question. Why is Putin, Russia so worried, not Nazarbayev, Kazakhstan?

                      Why did you decide that one worries and the other doesn't? And it’s not just Putin as such, but the current system, what do you think he leads it or is it a part?
                    3. navigator
                      navigator 21 October 2015 20: 37 New
                      0
                      "Why did you decide that one worries and the other doesn't? And it’s not Putin alone, but the current system, what do you think he leads it or is it a part?"

                      Because everyone judges by himself, so I judge by myself. It would never have crossed my mind to go to a Kazakh site and discuss Nazarbayev and his system.
                2. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 15: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: sa-ag
                  Each person has his own personal point of view

                  Once upon a time there was a broad outlook. But my mother said: “Stop hovering in the clouds!”, And at school they demanded to learn everything “only by heart”. And the horizon narrowed and narrowed until it became a point. It is called since then the point of view.
          3. andj61
            andj61 21 October 2015 08: 35 New
            +17
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Sahag’s advice is to overthrow the existing government in Russia. For that he has already been banned once. Now he has started again, giving “advice”.

            That is, you pounced on him for past sins?
            Here is his comment
            Quote: EvgNik
            Very correct. Sometimes I really want to:
            "" just at least now grab the gun and start pouring everything around in bursts ""
            Not everything is around, of course, but I would like to thin out the ranks of liberalists and pseudo-patriots. And the oligarchs. And the bandits. And the workers are well of a very blue screen. Yes, we got a lot of trash, which I would like to reset.

            It’s not going to work out a bit, you’ve figured out how many things you’ll have and it will already be a different country, with a different regime

            And where does he "water shit"? what
            If you do not like him personally - this, of course, is your personal business. But as a moderator and official representative of the media, you are simply obligated to monitor compliance with the rules of the site and the compliance of your statements with the requirements of the media.
            There is, after all, the presumption of innocence - he was punished for the violation - you cannot blame him twice the same thing.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 09: 11 New
              -3
              Quote: andj61

              That is, you pounced on him for past sins?

              I already looked at his comments not only in this topic.
              Quote: andj61
              But as a moderator and an official representative of the media, you simply must monitor compliance with the rules of the site,

              That is precisely why he was banned, and not completely unfounded. Or do you think that now he will be different? - I doubt it.
              Quote: andj61
              There is, after all, the presumption of innocence - he was punished for the violation - you cannot blame him twice the same thing.

              There are Saita rules, violates it will fly away to the ban. And you, dear, I look at the lawyers are tearing in vain, there are no prosecutors here.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 11: 59 New
                +7
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                there are no prosecutors.

                Well, Sanya, pride is a sin, and you took on the function of the Archangel Michael. sa-ag orientates himself to the Russian, and as a Russian, he does not like everything in his historical homeland. Like me. Do not be biased, God (Smirnov) will punish! wink
              2. Haettenschweiler
                Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 15: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                There are Saita rules, violates it will fly away to the ban. And you, dear, I look at the lawyers are tearing in vain, there are no prosecutors here.


                - But justice is here Yes. Contrary to all your efforts, Mr. Romanov. And community members should not be threatened; violated - blocked. In the meantime, comrade "sa-ag" seems to be keeping himself within. Unlike, by the way, from you.
            2. Karabanov
              Karabanov 21 October 2015 10: 26 New
              +4
              Quote: andj61
              As a moderator and an official representative of the media, you simply must monitor compliance with the rules of the site and the compliance of your statements with the requirements of the media.

              Do not argue with the moderator, his word carries an infallible truth!
              1. andj61
                andj61 21 October 2015 10: 54 New
                +6
                Quote: Karabanov
                Do not argue with the moderator, his word carries an infallible truth!

                good True, I, naive, thought that the rules of the site and good behavior should be the same for everyone ... repeat hi
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 11: 09 New
                  +3
                  Quote: andj61
                  True, I, naive, thought that the rules of the site and good behavior should be the same for everyone ...

                  Yeah, Karabanov has three warnings for the mat and one for the crooked komenty. So there’s no reason the banned visitor laughing
                2. Karabanov
                  Karabanov 22 October 2015 00: 02 New
                  0
                  Monsieur Alexander Romanov stands guard over the morality and "purity" of the site, in his view, of course. Although he allows himself to express an opinion that cannot be called anything other than bias (I can give examples). And dissent is not in honor.
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  • GRAY
    GRAY 21 October 2015 07: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    - Are you kidding me? The brief essence of the article is: “if you are against the Orthodox Church (mired in corruption, acquiring earthly wealth and looking just ugly) - you are brainwashed. If you are not comfortable with the current ... legitimate“ statehood ”in Russia

    It smokes you. Stew soon :-)

    Breaking does not build, first try to do something useful.
    I agree with the author of the article - the vast majority of wrestlers with the regime are senseless and merciless air shakers.
    Well, they will demolish the state system, and then what? I don’t think that then they will be able to build something better, even more so - I’m sure that they can’t build anything in life, because they are waiting for a kind uncle to come and do everything for them. Dumb meat is.

    You do not like the Orthodox Church - do not go there.
    You do not like the work of officials - go study, become an official yourself and work better than they do.
    1. goose
      goose 21 October 2015 09: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: GRAY
      Well, they will demolish the state system, and then what? I don’t think that then they can build something better.

      This is the misfortune of modern politics. Humanitarian populists are in power, they are only capable of appealing to the audience, this is their specialty. And they did not learn to build something. Because it’s boring - they’ve been building for decades, and the campaign for the most stubborn people lasts a maximum of 2 years, and usually half a year.
    2. Thronekeeper
      Thronekeeper 21 October 2015 12: 10 New
      -8
      You do not like the Orthodox Church - do not go there.
      You do not like the work of officials - go study, become an official yourself and work better than they do.


      And the article discusses this. About the link of "Rodnover", Nazis, commies, alarmists with liberalstion and homosexuals. Until the receipt of grants from one pendos embassy.
      It reminds me of Egypt under the short-lived (thank God) power of the terrorist organization Ihvan el Muslim. When the liberals themselves were completely Sharia, and at the same time in the parliament they dealt with issues of necrophilia. However, BM was fed by the same minke whales.

      As for "Orthodoxy" - it is in quotation marks, because now an unhealthy wave has gone, in the order of "fashion for religion", the institutionalization of the Russian Orthodox Church, and the use of Orthodoxy in anti-Russian propaganda in the sense that the Empire’s right to imperial politics is denied as an immoral thing, inherent in Tokma to non-kosher Anglo-Saxons. The removal of the brain and the sleep of reason, of course, but even in high school it’s worth talking about the extrajudicial liquidation of politicians unfriendly to the Russian Federation, solving geopolitical and economic problems, undermining the state’s economy by taking away their Middle Eastern allies, and even about the moral unacceptability of arms exports, they say - not Pe-Stan.
      In general, we have twice as many "patriots" as statesmen, and twice as many "Orthodox" as believers.
      But when they begin to insult the Russian Orthodox Church or "thieving officials" -this is an outburst of fire on the fan. If I have claims to the church and to power, then I will not pour water on the enemy’s mill.
      Indicator article.
      1. Olegovi4
        Olegovi4 21 October 2015 18: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Thronekeeper
        About the link of "Rodnover", Nazi, commi, alarmists with liberalstion and homosexuals

        Do you even know who all those people whom you so indiscriminately lined up with their labels? People respecting and taking care of their family, put in the same boiler with fagots and other evil spirits.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: GRAY
      Breaking does not build, first try to do something useful.

      Well, more in detail from now on. What good needs to be done to get better? To plant a tree, or to shame the housing and communal services director, they say it’s not good to rob people?
      Quote: GRAY
      You do not like the work of officials - go study, become an official yourself and work better than they do.

      fool Naive! Who will let honest people go there? And who will "add" upstairs? The officials as well as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The police reform passed, but in the traffic police as there was a norm of payments to superiors, it remained. And the chain of money goes to the very top. AT THE MOST. Do you think Kolokoltsov does not know this? He knows, he started from the bottom, in the know about the structure of the system. And for some reason it seems to me that it is, if not the last step in the transfer of "shares", then it definitely enters the last three.
      And you advise me - you want to change the traffic police, go there to serve and pay a "share" to your bosses.
  • ProtectRusOrDie
    ProtectRusOrDie 21 October 2015 08: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Haettenschweiler
    Quote: venaya
    A wonderful, relevant article.


    - Are you kidding me? The brief essence of the article is: “if you are against the Orthodox Church (mired in corruption, acquiring earthly wealth and looking just ugly) - you are brainwashed. If you are not comfortable with the present ... affluent“ statehood ”in Russia, if you socialist or other ideas are prettier - you are “brainwashed.” And so on. The main message is that all “patriots” must by all means support the existing order of things and only very sometimes very carefully criticize individual decisions of the government or individual “statesmen”.


    - Tell me please, otherwise I forgot it - when the “demolition” of the government did not lead to a worsening of the situation in the country. And at the same time, I ask you to tell us - who exactly do you want to replace the current government with? Plus describe the advantages of implementing this action "at the crossing" - i.e. during the war, albeit "undeclared."
    - What do you personally have against the Orthodox status of our country?
    - What exactly do you offer ?? With analytics and conclusions please. With criticism it’s already clear, but in the case?
    1. venaya
      venaya 21 October 2015 11: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: ProtectRusOrDie
      when the "demolition" of the government did not lead to a worsening of the situation in the country. And at the same time, I ask you to tell us - who exactly do you want to replace the current government with?

      I’ll try to explain: In the mode of analyzing articles and comments, I was not able to notice in time exactly who was asking the question. As soon as I started looking at the “profile”, I immediately discovered that the “0” column appeared in the “Recent Comments” column, while the “rating” turned out to be over 3000. Apparently, this is not about a simple troll, but some more complicated version of an attack on me in the style of NLP, pretty well developed by whom you understand. Perhaps this is due to some of my effective comments. Apparently, you need to contact the administration for help, but I don’t know what to do yet. As you know, the answer from such an extraordinary and apparently inanimate pseudo-troll is impossible to get.
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 15: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: venaya
        I’ll try to explain: In the mode of analyzing articles and comments, I was not able to notice in time exactly who was asking the question. As soon as I started looking at the “profile”, I immediately found out that in the column “Recent comments” there was a number “0”, while the “rating” was over 3000.


        - Now in the column "last comments" is the number "1". I don’t know what this is connected with. Moreover, if you click on the link "last comments" - everything is displayed (well, or sort of like everything, did not count). Anyone can check that curious fact that my comments are much more than "0" or even "1".

        Quote: venaya
        Apparently here we are not talking about a simple troll


        - Here we are not talking about the “troll” at all. Unless, of course, you are not one of those comrades who perceives any criticism, even the most superficial, exclusively as "trolling" - which is fundamentally wrong and gives away delusions of grandeur (or delusions of persecution).

        Quote: venaya
        Perhaps this is due to some of my effective comments.


        - Firstly, “spectacular”, and secondly, I came across you for the first time. Nowhere have we crossed paths and I have no idea what kind of "comments" you are talking about.

        Quote: venaya
        As you know, the answer from such an extraordinary and apparently inanimate pseudo-troll is impossible to get.


        “As you can see, it is possible.” 1. Either I am a superintelligent NLP program, advanced space research, or 2. I am not a troll at all. Question, as they say, in a million.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 21 October 2015 09: 41 New
    +3
    I generally agree with the article. It is necessary to do what is capable of. A large person has great opportunities, a small one has small opportunities.

    PySy. But as the author himself admitted
    If hot water is constantly turned off in the house, and everyone is sitting in their apartments and muttering under their breath, they will turn it off. And if a minute after each outage the whole house shouted “WHAT FUCK ?!” will go out and in an organized way to the office of the corresponding utilities - believe me, very quickly the water supply will begin to work without interruption. And so in everything.

    so in the 1917th, if the people would endure further, there would be no Union, the revolution was organized, or rather supported, by simple peasants and workers, much depends on each person if he joins something big creative.
    song in the subject.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 09: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      the revolution was organized, or rather supported, by simple peasants and workers,

      And in Kiev on the Maidan in the name of which ordinary peasants and workers were buzzing?
      "Down with corrupt officials in power" said the maydans and elected the president of the oligarch Poroshenko.

    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      the revolution was organized, or rather supported, by simple peasants and workers

      Whose money, let me ask?
  • bornikrub
    bornikrub 21 October 2015 09: 58 New
    +3
    A largely useful article, however, will refrain from applauding at the expense of the "mythical Jews."

    The creators of fascism are Jews (Torah, Talmud and other cannibalistic charms),
    Distributors - Germans,
    The main carriers are Anglo-Saxons.
    1. just exp
      just exp 21 October 2015 12: 09 New
      +3
      You are not quite right, the Jews are not only the creators, but also the bearers, and the arrogant Saxons are distributors, but the Germans, like kakly, are just stupid victims.
  • ava09
    ava09 21 October 2015 10: 12 New
    +7
    (C) A wonderful, relevant article. There are some points where the author writes

    An article with a disgusting darling. The author simply "skidded" into the topic, where he didn’t use his foot in the tooth or deliberately mixed the truth with a lie. As you know: Plus minus = minus.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 21 October 2015 11: 07 New
    +1
    A wonderful, relevant article. It is necessary to continue this topic and create a series of articles.


    In my opinion, the real problems and the "interest circles" are a bit mixed up. Piles of Rodnovers, monarchists and others, even the Nazis, reflect the desire of people to have fun in this way. You can certainly immerse yourself in the game to insanity .... but, that is, confidence, in the elections they wear jackets and vote for Putin. laughing The real problem, again, do not insist, this one:

    but you can inspire hatred first to the individual - for example, to the president or patriarch.


    The key word is hate. It fully reflects the form of pseudo-patriotism, for it completely fills the personality to the brim. It applies to everything. Even hatred of pseudo-patriots, in some way equalizes them on the scales. In general, to the author, bow.
  • varov14
    varov14 21 October 2015 11: 43 New
    0
    He is mistaken in one thing, the state must fight all these phenomena, but it condones this, referring to the fact that it is necessary to develop some kind of acceptable ideology, and it can be developed for another hundred years and rob the country under this mockery. Putin has nothing to do with it, the system opposes him, and he is a liberal, vicious circle.
  • skeptic31
    skeptic31 21 October 2015 11: 51 New
    +6
    Oh, yes. Tricky article. At first everything seemed to be the case, normal debriefing, everything about real pseudo-patriotism, and then completely unexpected conclusions. It turns out everyone who criticizes Putin and his team, which is happening in the country, is pseudo-patriots (?!?). There you go. Meanwhile, the chest opens quite simply. Before us is a typical, past centuries-old test, a Protestant way of proving the unprovable (Protestant because they invented this method). Its essence is elementary to impossibility. First you need to say something absolutely true and reliable, then absolutely incredible conclusions are drawn from this, and in conclusion again say something that everyone agrees with. It is impossible to argue with this set, because you will be sent all the time either to the beginning of the presentation, or to its end. This is how most of the economic and political articles of our liberals are built (HSE rules). The main thing is that the text must be sure that all this is done for the good of us. So that is all. All the latest reforms in the country, that with science, that with education, that with medicine, that with housing and communal services, all from this area. Those. exclusively taking care of our relatives. So it turns out that no matter how you tell, what fairy tales do not tell, but in fact the most important pseudo-patriots are our liberals, because no one else could have shattered our country as much as they had shamed. And currently they are the only ones who rule.
    1. BMW
      BMW 21 October 2015 14: 51 New
      +1
      Comments are certainly interesting, but let's try to figure it out.
      Dolbloslavie. When you hear: "seven thousand with a ponytail of years since the creation of the world in a star temple" you understand that not everyone is at home in their heads. But, why did such currents arise? And due to the information vacuum, historical science, about ancient Dokiev Rus, cannot tell us anything intelligible, I would say and do not want to. Primitive tribes lived and all. But the information vacuum is broken, information about ancient settlements fell into people's heads. Everything would be fine, even good, but official science does not hurry to organize and organize information in a hurry, or even frankly silent. It is on this basis of fragmentary and scattered data that all sorts of obscure trends and organizations are formed. People want to know about their ancient roots and believe that they are not what historical science says. It is on this basis that distrust grows this movement. The ROC also adds fuel to the fire. Hence the conclusion that blindly following our science in the wake of Western history is detrimental to our statehood.
  • antoXa
    antoXa 21 October 2015 16: 13 New
    -1
    venaya
    I agree with you and the author, even if not for every item.
    The conclusion regarding the creation and destruction has long made similar ones, in fact not a single revolution carried out by force has led to anything good. Only a gradual increase in the culture of self-awareness, legal awareness of society and the impact in this way on the state, through accessible legal mechanisms, will bring any benefit.
    1. Haettenschweiler
      Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 16: 24 New
      0
      Quote: GRAY
      Breaking does not build, first try to do something useful.


      - And what if I have already done something useful?

      Quote: GRAY
      I agree with the author of the article - the vast majority of wrestlers with the regime are senseless and merciless air shakers.


      - Well, apparently, in this article everyone can dig out exactly what he wants. Because I didn’t somehow catch this thought.

      Quote: GRAY
      Well, they will demolish the state system, and then what? I don’t think that then they will be able to build something better, even more so - I’m sure that they can’t build anything in life, because they are waiting for a kind uncle to come and do everything for them. Dumb meat is.


      - Here you can clearly see the "elitism syndrome". But the trouble is, on your part, "they" look like "stupid meat", on their part - you and your like-minded people ... as for me, both camps are "stupid meat", because both are stiff in their dogmas and do not think for themselves make even a small step to the side. But that is ... personal opinion, yeah.

      Quote: GRAY
      You do not like the Orthodox Church - do not go there.
      You do not like the work of officials - go study, become an official yourself and work better than they do.


      - I don’t like that the oil and gas industry in private hands and the capital from the sale of non-renewable resources flow abroad - I’ll go, with sorrow, I’ll build my Gazprom and transfer everything to the state to a penny. Gorgeous thought, and most importantly, preaches humility with reality is cleaner than the Russian Orthodox Church.
      1. Haettenschweiler
        Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 16: 25 New
        -5
        Quote: ProtectRusOrDie
        - Tell me please, otherwise I forgot it - when the “demolition” of the government did not lead to a worsening of the situation in the country.


        - Civil war, 1917. Tsarist Russia was on the verge of collapse, the southern regions were preparing for secession (and seceded after a little later, after February — and this was not a spontaneous decision!), Defeat in the First World War, Western intervention ... but the “Reds” did not manage to not only to stop the spread of the rotten Russian Empire, but in a couple of decades to create a force that was able to break the backbone of Nazi Germany - the very Germany that wiped its feet about almost all European civilizations.

        Quote: ProtectRusOrDie
        And at the same time, I ask you to tell us - who exactly do you want to replace the current government with? Plus describe the advantages of implementing this action "at the crossing" - i.e. during the war, albeit "undeclared."


        - Firstly, you attribute these interesting thoughts to me in vain. I did not call for a coup d'etat — your pure invention, slander. Secondly, why "replace"? There are more effective methods without “crossing action,” since you are so frightened by the changes during the propaganda of the “new cold war”.

        Quote: ProtectRusOrDie
        - What do you personally have against the Orthodox status of our country?


        - That according to the Constitution, Russia is secular by the state.

        Quote: ProtectRusOrDie
        - What exactly do you offer ?? With analytics and conclusions please. With criticism it’s already clear, but in the case?


        - Nope. Not here, not for you, not about you ... it’s like any drunk loafer would approach Lenin and, spitting out through a cigarette, said sincerely: “Well, Ilyich, go ahead, lie, how we will live.”
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 16: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Haettenschweiler
          and the “Reds” managed not only to stop the spread of rotten Russian roots

          Preliminarily overthrowing the government, and then winning the struggle for power among other revolutionaries. Trotsky was also red then, as was Rosalia Zalkind. And only then, after years, Stalin was able to stop the further collapse of the country by shooting most of those whom you call red.
          It is not worth demonizing tsarist Russia; there were both patriots and Russophobes in the tsarist government, both in the "red" government and in the current one. As a result of the revolution, Russia lost millions of its sons, on both sides, not to mention the territories. With the same logic that you have, you can justify the US war against S. Hussein in Iraq, the cause of which was allegedly poisoned by chemical weapons of 20 thousand people, while suppressing the uprising in northern Iraq. But as a result of this "help", more than a million Iraqis have already died.
          1. Haettenschweiler
            Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 17: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Preliminarily overthrowing the government, and then winning the struggle for power among other revolutionaries. Trotsky was also red then, as was Rosalia Zalkind. And only then, after years, Stalin was able to stop the further collapse of the country by shooting most of those whom you call red.
            It is not worth demonizing tsarist Russia; there were both patriots and Russophobes in the tsarist government, both in the "red" government and in the current one. As a result of the revolution, Russia lost millions of its sons, on both sides, not to mention the territories. With the same logic that you have, you can justify the US war against S. Hussein in Iraq, the cause of which was allegedly poisoned by chemical weapons of 20 thousand people, while suppressing the uprising in northern Iraq. But as a result of this "help", more than a million Iraqis have already died.


            - The government - the tsarist government - was not overthrown by the "red" at all, but by a completely liberal force. For before the October Revolution was the February Revolution, which brought to the very top of the amorphous, incompetent Kerensky and his Provisional Government. Which, however, actually controlled nothing, and could not control, because these guys, with rare exceptions, had the most vague idea of ​​public administration. Their affairs are proof of this.
            You remembered Trotsky in vain - in the early stages of the Civil War, he was priceless, and only after he began to "bring" with his idea of ​​a "world revolution" in which - not unfoundedly - by that time the rest of the party comrades had completely lost faith. As a result, he voluntarily stood up in opposition, began to harm the party and the Soviet government, for which he paid.
            The collapse of the country was stopped precisely by those "Reds" about whom I spoke. The Cossacks broke the ridge - ended "Don freemen." "White" on the nose clicked - and led to the submission of the southern, separatist, regions.
            If you face the truth, you will see that late tsarist Russia is corruption that permeated all power up to the tsar’s family, the complete impunity of the “elites”, all kinds of wrecking interests of the Fatherland, the constant sale and resale of the homeland in bulk and retail. The Russo-Japanese War, the Turkish War, the Crimean War, bread ("we can not eat, but we will take it out!"), Forest, hemp, railway ... no matter which side you touch, everything is mired in theft and betrayal. Individual patriots of the highest standard - were! And they were ... not for long. For information, I advise you to read about the fate of Kazarsky, Alexander Ivanovich. Very indicative, by the way.
            People as a result civil war (and not revolution) really perished. Only now they would have died more if the tsarist regime had been saved? I’ll tell you the secret of secrets - in Central Russia there was a famine under the tsar, a severe famine ... the minister’s words about "we are undernourished, but exported!" were not a metaphor ... the peasants were starving, now and then hunger riots broke out, which were suppressed by the troops (mostly Cossacks). And grain, bread, freely flowed abroad ... and those who profit from it, do you think they invested money in the development of the country? No ... they spent money on amusement, motivation in Europe, eccentric and senseless tricks (it seems like our Chelsea club recently bought our new “barchuk” ...). The Reds introduced surplus and breadcards - grain from the southern regions did not flow abroad, but to Central Russia. How they saved millions, tens of millions of lives. They did what the last king was never capable of.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 21: 18 New
              -1
              Quote: Haettenschweiler
              You vainly remembered Trotsky - in the early stages of the Civil War he was priceless, and only after he began to "bring"

              Is Trotsky priceless? belay You do not tell anyone in the Kuban. fool Read Stoleshnikov, he has such a work "Anti-archipelago, or there will be no rehabilitation." There for Trotsky in order and facts.
              Quote: Haettenschweiler
              The Reds introduced surplus and breadcards - grain from the southern regions did not flow abroad, but to Central Russia. How they saved millions, tens of millions of lives.

              This was especially liked by the peasants of the Tambov province.
              1. Haettenschweiler
                Haettenschweiler 21 October 2015 22: 04 New
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                You do not tell anyone in the Kuban.


                - Yes, it makes no difference to me, Kuban or not Kuban. I understand that in different areas different people have different attitudes (the most striking example is the long-suffering Lenin and Ukrainians), but the historical facts themselves do not change from this.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Read Stoleshnikov, he has such a work "Anti-archipelago, or there will be no rehabilitation."


                - Thank you for the hint, I’ll definitely take up this book the other day.

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                This was especially liked by the peasants of the Tambov province.


                - It does not matter to whom and what you liked or not; it was the only, just the only way out. And what a merry-go-round it turns out: the "reds" took by force the bread from the wealthy southern regions and brought it to Central Russia to feed the people - and the "whites", until their very last hour, sold this bread ... to France and to England. Through the Crimea, through Odessa. Until the 1920s.
  • MolGro
    MolGro 21 October 2015 05: 43 New
    +4
    Anyone who says "loves the homeland, but hates the state", hates the homeland.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 06: 04 New
      +5
      Quote: MolGro
      Anyone who says "loves the homeland, but hates the state", hates the homeland.

      That's right. This is schizophrenia. Actually, there is no norm. wink

      1. Socialism 2.0
        Socialism 2.0 21 October 2015 06: 30 New
        +4
        from he is the most important pseudo-patriot.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 21 October 2015 07: 44 New
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          Quote: 2.0 Socialism
          the most important pseudo-patriot.


          We have almost the entire thought consists of such patriots .. basically their own pockets ..
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 08: 12 New
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            Quote: afdjhbn67
            We have almost the entire thought consists of such patriots .. basically their own pockets ..

            You will be very surprised to learn that you are interested in MY pocket much less than yours?
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        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 08: 10 New
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          Quote: 2.0 Socialism
          from he is the most important pseudo-patriot.

          Often, people like you make the stigma of a Jew to those you don’t like. laughing
          The old men are not Jewish for an hour?
    2. Xanna
      Xanna 21 October 2015 06: 36 New
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      Those. in order to love the Motherland, I need to love all government agencies, including Oboronservis and Rusnano ?!

      Well, this is you well done! The author of the article is bold "-" !!!

      Yes, we have criticized and we will criticize!
      If I am a partiot, this does not mean that I do not have the right to criticize roads, corruption, Vasiliev and Serdyukov!

      And with religion in general, the author of the article bent! And if I am an atheist, then I can’t love my homeland, because it is not separable from the Russian Orthodox Church ?!
      And if I believe that Tsar Nikolk 2 is as holy as I am a ballerina, then I don’t like my homeland ?! And if I sincerely believe that all the minuses of the Soviet Union are fading, compared with how much good he has done for the country and I think that it is time to turn again towards nationalization - I'm not a patriot ??? !!!

      It is impossible to attach a discriminator to the concept of a patriot and cut off who is a patriot and who is not. The principle of Russia lies in the fact that we can build the best planes in the world, but we cannot at least build acceptable roads in many cities, but this does not mean that the one who criticizes these roads is not a patriot!

      Patriot - this one who does not betray the homeland!
      Patriot is the one who buys a car of at least Russian assembly to provide jobs for citizens of his country! Patriot - is going to rest in Russia, not abroad, to support the economy of another country. Patriot buys clothes from his factories, not foreign brands.
      Patriot - this is business, not thought !!!!
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      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 08: 07 New
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        Quote: Xanna
        Yes, we have criticized and we will criticize!

        Criticism is destructive in nature. Criticizing is always easier than doing it yourself. There is a liberal opposition at the direction of the West, and only does that it criticizes the power under which the people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.

        Quote: Xanna
        And if I sincerely believe that all the disadvantages of the Soviet Union are fading, compared with how much good it has done for the country

        From 1897 to 1914, the population of Russia increased by 49 million people. A hundred years have passed since then. How much has Russia lost people and lands?
        CER, Port Arthur, Dalniy (Dalian) Do you, as a patriot, remember or forgot? And in connection with what events have we lost all this?
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 16 New
          +6
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Port Arthur, Dalniy (Dalian) Do you, as a patriot, remember or forgot? And in connection with what events have we lost all this?

          This, by the way, was lost by Nicholas II, plus the plus-Sakhalin, plus the Kuril Islands south of it
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 08: 38 New
            +5
            Quote: sa-ag
            This, by the way, was lost by Nicholas II, plus the plus-Sakhalin, plus the Kuril Islands south of it

            The revolutionaries helped, both in 1905 and in 1917. Nikolay 2 was soft, but all the fiery ones should be put to the wall behind a bouzou in wartime. This is the first.
            And then, you forgot about the losses of Finland and other Poland ... Well, about the losses of 1991 you can not say - this is just a disaster.

            PS Can you tell me why the Russian city Verny is called Alma-Ata? request
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 44 New
              +1
              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              The revolutionaries helped, as in 1905

              And how did the revolutionaries help General Kuropatkin to leave their positions?
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 09: 26 New
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                Quote: sa-ag
                And how did the revolutionaries help General Kuropatkin to leave their positions?

                So again.
                Rebellion, as well as revolutions and other coups, in wartime should be punished by execution. As an extreme case - a penal battalion and to the forefront.
                1. sa-ag
                  sa-ag 21 October 2015 09: 47 New
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                  Quote: VseDoFeNi
                  So again.
                  Rebellion, as well as revolutions and other coups, in wartime should be punished by execution.

                  Well, where was the rebellion in the army in the Far East? There, the people fought without sparing their belly, and General Kuropatkin allotted and allotted the army until, as a result, both Dalniy, Port Arthur and half Sakhalin were surrendered under the Portsmouth Treaty
                  1. VseDoFeNi
                    VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 10: 17 New
                    +4
                    Quote: sa-ag
                    Well, where was the rebellion in the army in the Far East?

                    Revolutions and other riots weaken a warring state or strengthen?

                    Once again.
                    For the weakening of their country, any kind of boose in wartime should be put on the wall or sent to the front lines in penal battalions.
                    1. sa-ag
                      sa-ag 21 October 2015 10: 52 New
                      +1
                      Quote: VseDoFeNi
                      Revolutions and other riots weaken a warring state or strengthen?

                      After the revolution of 1917, the young state of the USSR defeated everyone who fought against it, I would not say that this is a weakening
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                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 15: 55 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        how do you approve of the actions of the Gestapo against German anti-fascists

                        Yes, a striking example of the other side of the coin. But if you follow the words of Aristotle "Plato is my friend, but the truth is more expensive," then the bulk of the Germans supported Hitler’s power, and accordingly approved the executions of traitors to the interests of the majority.
                      2. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 16: 14 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        It's funny to watch how you approve of the Gestapo’s actions against German anti-fascists, while condemning the actions of German anti-fascists in the period from the 39th to the 45th year :)

                        More precisely, condemning everyone who acts against their country.
                        Surely there were anti-Napoleonic, and anti-British, etc., etc. ...
                      3. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 21 October 2015 17: 13 New
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        the bulk of the Germans supported Hitler’s power, and accordingly approved the executions of traitors to the interests of the majority.

                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        More precisely, condemning all who act against their country
                        What about the militia of Donbass?
                      4. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 18: 29 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        What about the militia of Donbass?

                        What about the Kiev junta?
                      5. Uncle Joe
                        Uncle Joe 22 October 2015 00: 02 New
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                        Quote: VseDoFeNi
                        What about the Kiev junta?
                        If you follow your logic - the same as with any other state authority representing the country, for the weakening of which must be put to the wall.
                      6. VseDoFeNi
                        VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 13: 06 New
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                        Quote: Uncle Joe
                        If you follow your logic - the same as with any other state authority representing the country, for the weakening of which must be put to the wall.

                        You DO NOT glue your logic to others, you are an overseas manipulator.
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 21: 26 New
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                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    What about the militia of Donbass?

                    What does the Donbass have to do with it? The comparison is more appropriate if we compare the annexation by the Germans of the Sudetenland, since there the population was German.
                  3. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 22 October 2015 00: 03 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    What does the Donbass have to do with it?
                    In the minds of most Russians, he appears as a kind of analogue of German anti-fascists.
                  4. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 22 October 2015 09: 12 New
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                    Quote: Uncle Joe
                    In the minds of most Russians, he appears as a kind of analogue of German anti-fascists.

                    Then it’s better to compare the Donbass with the Spanish War.
                  5. Uncle Joe
                    Uncle Joe 22 October 2015 16: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    Then it’s better to compare the Donbass with the Spanish War.
                    In form - yes.

                    But we are not talking about external similarities, but the essence of the action - whether the weakening of “our country” in wartime is a priori negative, or we must look at the accompanying factors.

                    Dopheni, replacing concepts, argues that the negative in this case is an axiom.
                    As an example, I showed that there is no axiom here, that in judging it is necessary to take into account the accompanying factors, and make judgments based not on the category of friend or foe, but on the category of fair and unfair.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 21 October 2015 14: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    The revolutionaries helped, both in 1905 and in 1917. Nikolay 2 was soft, but all the fiery ones should be put to the wall behind a bouzou in wartime. This is the first.

    Incidentally, it was the rent of the Kwantung Peninsula with Port Arthur and Dalniy that provoked the Russo-Japanese War.

    And the most interesting thing is that the Port Arthur fleet was not considered as a base at all. The fleet wanted a base in Korea and took all measures to acquire it. But the Foreign Ministry literally imposed on the fleet Port Arthur, which the fleet itself considered unsuitable.
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    And then, you forgot about the losses of Finland and other Poland ...

    The broadest autonomy (actually independence) was promised to Poland back in 1914 under Nicholas 2.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 16: 07 New
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      Quote: Alexey RA
      it was the rent of the Kwantung Peninsula with Port Arthur and Dalniy that provoked the Russo-Japanese War.

      Precisely, the war in the Donbass was provoked not by the actions of the Kiev junta, but by the protection of their rights by the inhabitants of Donbass. fool

      Quote: Alexey RA
      The broadest autonomy (actually independence) was promised to Poland back in 1914 under Nicholas 2.

      Many who promise many things to many ...

      Quote: VseDoFeNi
      Once again.
      For the weakening of their country, any kind of boose in wartime should be put on the wall or sent to the front lines in penal battalions.
  • andj61
    andj61 21 October 2015 08: 44 New
    +8
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: VseDoFeNi
    Port Arthur, Dalniy (Dalian) Do you, as a patriot, remember or forgot? And in connection with what events have we lost all this?

    This, by the way, was lost by Nicholas II, plus the plus-Sakhalin, plus the Kuril Islands south of it

    The Kuril Islands are not at all south, but east of Sakhalin. And to be unbiased, the Kuril Islands were not officially part of Russia under Nicholas. The first distinction between the possessions of Russia and Japan in the Kuril Islands was made in the Shimodsk treaty of 1855. In exchange for the right of ownership of Sakhalin, Russia transferred all the Kuril Islands to Japan in 1875. Japan, as a result of the war, only secured the rights to the Kuril Islands.
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    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 10: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: afdjhbn67
      For three months now you’ve been dragging this phrase from article to article thinner than a troll.

      Kohl does not reach many, I will repeat.

      Quote: afdjhbn67
      And another question you get paid for it?

      Russia in the last century was TWICE destroyed. I just want to live in a great country. And you perfectly understand that no one pays me.
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 22 October 2015 03: 44 New
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        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Kohl does not reach many, I will repeat.

        Wonderful things are your Lord ... yesterday, the comment was immediately deleted, but today I look at the answer to it ... magic?
  • Uncle Joe
    Uncle Joe 21 October 2015 15: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Xanna
    And if I am an atheist, then I can’t love the Motherland because it is not separable from the Russian Orthodox Church ?!

    And if I believe that Tsar Nikolk 2 is as holy as I am a ballerina, then I don’t like my homeland ?!

    And if I sincerely believe that all the minuses of the Soviet Union are fading, compared with how much good he has done for the country and I think that it is time to turn again towards nationalization - I'm not a patriot ??? !!!
    Yes - you can’t, do not love, not a patriot.

    You can’t simply because the author of this opus has his own homeland (bourgeois-oligarchic, existing in his interests), and you have your own, and even then only in the future (now you do not have a homeland, as it is privatized by such as the author, or those for whom he works).
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  • afdjhbn67
    afdjhbn67 21 October 2015 07: 37 New
    0
    Quote: MolGro
    The one who says "loves the motherland

    He qualified the main part quite well, if only the nationalists had been decomposed into molecules like that - I mean not Russians. Those who live in national republics will understand me perfectly ..
    I tried on an article on myself - it’s like an ordinary patriot I get, without kookies .. laughing
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: MolGro
    Anyone who says "loves the homeland, but hates the state", hates the homeland.

    What do you say about the state of the Yeltsin era?
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 21 October 2015 05: 49 New
    0
    I liked to become, ++++ She answered those thoughts and questions that could not even be formulated.
    1. Oper6300
      Oper6300 21 October 2015 11: 12 New
      -1
      Above the article, you need to fix a die on a well-known site:
      Attention! Article Detector!
      One of the side effects of reading this article is the so-called butthurt.
      If you begin to feel pain in the lower back, you should immediately stop further reading and come to terms with the fact that you are DOLBOSLAV.

      Addressed to Dr. Livesey and others.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 21 October 2015 05: 50 New
    +13
    Russian patriot "Boss" taught me the whole article CORRECTLY to love my homeland.

    “In general, in order not to hit one of the pseudo-patriotic currents, it’s best to really look at things and really assess your capabilities. ... You won’t get the dismissal of a major official, you won’t take billions from the oligarch.” - a "masterpiece"! man clearly blames the sins of the apparatus of United Russia.

    The author is "minus" for arrogance and provocation.
    1. Dr. Livesey
      Dr. Livesey 21 October 2015 08: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      Russian patriot "Boss" taught me the whole article CORRECTLY to love my homeland.

      good
      Quote: samarin1969
      “In general, in order not to hit one of the pseudo-patriotic currents, it’s best to really look at things and really assess your capabilities. ... You won’t get the dismissal of a major official, you won’t take billions from the oligarch.

      Citizen-patriot, you don’t go there, you go here, otherwise non-patriotic ideas will fall into the head, you’ll be completely dead!
  • Awaz
    Awaz 21 October 2015 05: 58 New
    +2
    the author also tries to suggest gradually that we are degenerates and. Nobody would pull the Russian Orthodox Church if she would do what priests should be recognized, and not try to live (and not bad) at our expense. It was not without reason that she began to remain silent in the press about the church because of the huge number of scandals, people look at these “priests” as lepers. Nazism arises from a stupid and criminal power that does not work at all on the topic of the coexistence of different peoples and religions ... and so on.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 21 October 2015 08: 59 New
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      Quote: AwaZ
      Nobody would pull the Russian Orthodox Church if she would do what priests should be recognized, and not try to live (and not bad) at our expense.

      Does the ROC live at your expense? And in what way?
      A candle in the temple, accidentally, bought something?
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 21 October 2015 10: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        Does the ROC live at your expense? And in what way?
        A candle in the temple, accidentally, bought something?
        Reply Quote Report Abuse

        Well, for example, baptism from 800 to one and a half thousand, and there are different candles. Bells in the Perm monastery Chelyabinsk authorities provided. Entire wars flare up due to a rural parish. So something like that
        1. GRAY
          GRAY 21 October 2015 11: 33 New
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          Quote: Sorokin
          Well, for example, baptism from 800 to one and a half thousand, and candles are different

          It’s not a sacrifice to donate to the temple, and if there is no money, then you can talk with the priest - he will not refuse.
          War over a rural parish is strong, usually they have battles for city temples smile , it seems that the righteous smile
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: GRAY
            Don’t donate to the temple

            So DONATE, not pay the price tag!
            1. navigator
              navigator 21 October 2015 15: 10 New
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              "So DONATE, not pay the price tag!"

              It’s popular for Ingvar 72 the difference between paying for services, goods and donations.

              Payment for a product or service is a payment, a donation is a donation. Something like that.
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        2. navigator
          navigator 21 October 2015 11: 51 New
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          “Well, for example, a baptism from 800 to one and a half thousand, and there are different candles. Bells in the Perm monastery Chelyabinsk authorities provided. Because of the rural parish, whole wars flare up. So something like that”

          In your opinion, the Baptism, and the funeral service, and everything else the priest should do for free. Candles, icons should also not be sold, but should be given for free. Are you aware of the cost of electricity and other services at the rates of commercial organizations? work for free, Sorokin? Authorities paid the bells, sinned up sins and what? Although they did something useful, everything is not for drugs and common fund. Something like that.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 13: 06 New
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            I will answer.
            Quote: navigator
            In your opinion, the Baptism, and the funeral service, and everything else the priest should do for free. Candles, icons, too, should not be sold, but given for free.
            You exaggerate. Candles and icons are physically sensible things, and the rite of baptism and burial is spiritual. And the price tag on spiritual things is blasphemy.
            Quote: navigator
            Are you aware that the Church pays for electric power and other services at the rates of commercial organizations?

            All this should be paid for DONATIONS, and not for profits from the sale of goods and services at the price tag, taking into account inflation. Otherwise, these are not servants of God, but LLC employees. hi
            1. navigator
              navigator 21 October 2015 15: 07 New
              +1
              Now I will answer.

              "You exaggerate. Candles and icons are physically sensible things, and the rite of baptism and burial is spiritual. And the price tag on spiritual things is sacrilege."

              Firstly, I will not exaggerate. Secondly, in addition to candles, icons and other things that need to be made, brought, etc., I wrote about the work of a priest, who, like any other work, must be paid. and not a sacrament. Just like the work of a cleaning lady washing a temple, the work of a saleswoman in a church shop, the guard of a temple, etc. etc. Something like that, Ingvar72. It is strange that you cannot understand such simple things.

              "All this should be paid for DONATIONS, and not for profits from the sale of goods and services at a price tag adjusted for inflation. Otherwise, these are not servants of God, but LLC employees."

              Goods and services are not paid for donations, their goals are different. But do you write in capital letters also because of dislike for His servants? "Anyone who is worthy of bribe, and even an ox threshering food." Serving God does not mean eating air, dressing in matting and moving through the air, like birds.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 16: 10 New
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                Quote: navigator
                which, like any other labor,should to be paid

                Taki should? belay And I thought the clergy should not serve according to the labor code, but according to holy scripture. And live on donations, i.e. who will give how much. But in reality, the majority declares a price tag, and this does not contribute to the spread of faith in God.
                Quote: navigator
                Goods and services are not paid for donations, their goals are different.

                Something I did not understand, what did you mean?
                Quote: navigator
                And you write God with a small letter also because of dislike for His servants?

                It was sealed up, and you can be convinced of it, dig deeper in my other comments.
                Quote: navigator
                Serving God does not mean eating air, dressing in matting and moving around the air, like birds.

                Come on? What, then, to extremes? How do you like the example of TRUE Father?
                1. navigator
                  navigator 21 October 2015 18: 18 New
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                  "Should I? Belay And I thought the clergy should not serve according to the labor code, but according to holy scripture."

                  They live by it.

                  "And live on donations, that is, who will give how much."

                  Well, start with yourself, live not on a salary, but on how much they will give, donate. Why did you decide that everything should be free in the Church in this paid world? There are many who donate 3 kopecks or don’t want to donate at all, choir he didn’t sing like that, the priest did not go out with a snout, and indeed, in God, in His churches everything should be free.

                  "But in reality, the majority declares a price tag, and this does not contribute to the spread of faith in God."


                  And this does not promote and does not hinder faith in God, because it has nothing to do with Faith.

                  "Come on? What are you at once in extremes? How do you like the example of the TRUE Father?"

                  A good example, Serbian Patriarch Pavel, a person’s holy life. I understand what you are hinting at with such an example. He was only a saint during his lifetime because he did not ride a tram or walk around Belgrade. There is no sin in driving a car.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 21: 32 New
                    -1
                    Quote: navigator
                    They live by it.

                    Who?!! Have you read the apostolic rules? Read, there is written in detail what is possible and what is not allowed to the clergy. These are canons. According to them, at least half of the top of the Russian Orthodox Church should be deprived of dignity.
                    And this does not promote and does not hinder faith in God, because it has nothing to do with Faith.
                    Namely, it does not have faith. And to God too. Because the person who sets the price for the ceremony of baptism or funeral, a priori, cannot be considered a servant of God.
                    Well, start with yourself, live not on a salary, but on how much they will give, they will donate
                    I am just an ordinary person, and do not call myself a servant of God in order to earn money for a living. And for good. And you, I look up for firm quotations in churches, trying to compare and equalize the secular and spiritual?
                    And I already answered you, for which, according to the logic of things, you can take money, and for what not. Material and spiritual.
                    P.S. Review the movie "Island" Lunging. hi
                    1. navigator
                      navigator 21 October 2015 21: 43 New
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                      "Who? !! Did you read the apostolic rules? Read, it is written in detail what is possible and what is not allowed to the clergy. These are canons. According to them, at least half of the top of the Russian Orthodox Church should be deprived of dignity."

                      Yes, you’re a canon. And where do you get the data from “The Interlocutor?” I’ll answer you simply: heed yourself. “Do not look for twigs in the eyes of others,“ Do not judge, but you will not be judged. ”Did you read the sacrament of confession, repentance besides canons?
                      You think in vain that all priests should be holy, sinless. Only God is sinless. They do not become saints overnight, someone doesn’t have enough life for this.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 October 2015 09: 08 New
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                        Quote: navigator
                        You think in vain that all priests should be holy, sinless.

                        So we talked. If priests need not follow the rules, then what can they teach?
                      2. navigator
                        navigator 22 October 2015 09: 45 New
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                        "So they talked. If the priests do not need to follow the rules, then what can they teach?"

                        You are stubborn, unproven, a priori repeating, like the mantra "If the priests have no reason to follow the rules, then what can they teach?"

                        For simplicity, I suggested that you start with yourself, to which you replied that you are an "ordinary person", etc. That is, you do not need rules, you require the observance of the rules from others. You constantly write the word "must". You are an unusual person You are a person who hates the Church, “servants of God” who cannot teach. Who gave you the right to judge and ... teach, an ordinary person? And how many do you know “servants of God” personally to declare with all responsibility that the rules do not comply, are unworthy to teach?
                        So they talked, I have nothing more to say to you first of all because you don’t want to hear any arguments.
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 October 2015 10: 51 New
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                        Quote: navigator
                        You are stubborn, unproven, a priori repeating like a mantra

                        And you are obstinately trying to prove the need for clergymen to conduct business.
                        And why unproven? Read the apostolic rules, you will understand.
                        Quote: navigator
                        That is, you do not need the rules, you require the observance of the rules from others.

                        Everyone needs the rules, and everyone chooses them himself. Thieves live according to thieves law, ordinary people according to secular laws, and clergy according to religious laws. I am an ordinary person, and I observe secular legislation. And I’m not teaching anyone. I hate it. when people teach something, themselves not conforming to their own canon. It looks just like a prostitute teaching moral.
                        But Batyushek met with a capital, unfortunately less than wanted.
                        Diomede, former bishop of Anadyr and Chukotka. Read.
                        P.S. Further argument, too, I think is useless, because you reject all arguments without considering. Trait of fanatics. request
                      4. navigator
                        navigator 22 October 2015 11: 55 New
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                        "And you are stubbornly trying to prove the need for clerics to conduct business."

                        No need to ascribe to me what I did not do.

                        "I am an ordinary person, and I abide by secular legislation. And I don’t teach anyone. I hate it. When people teach something, they don’t comply with their own canon. It looks like a prostitute teaching morality."

                        But I hate it when a person who has taken the right to judge everyone refers to non-compliance with canons that he himself does not know and does not observe.

                        "But Batyushek met with a capital, unfortunately less than wanted.
                        Diomede, former bishop of Anadyr and Chukotka. Read it. "

                        I know better than you the story of a former schismatic bishop.

                        “PS I think the further argument is useless, because you reject all arguments without considering. The line of fanatics.”


                        You have no arguments other than a reference to the canons, an ordinary person. And I was recorded as a fanatic simply because I disagree with you and your “arguments.” Listen to yourself and will be with you. “Do not judge, and you will not be judged.” Not by Senka’s hat is dressed. Already priests have been equated with prostitutes. The word is not a sparrow, it will fly out, you won’t catch it.
                      5. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 October 2015 12: 53 New
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                        Quote: navigator
                        No need to ascribe to me what I did not do.
                        belay
                        Quote: navigator
                        ,I wrote about the work of a priest, who, like any other work, must be paid

                        Quote: navigator
                        refers to non-compliance with canons, which he himself does not know and does not observe.

                        I know, but I don’t comply. Because I am a layman in the church language. And answer me, would you send your child to study if the teacher worked as a prostitute? or have taken to "judge"?
                        Quote: navigator
                        I know better than you the story of a former schismatic bishop.

                        Refute at least one of Diomede's statements?
                        Quote: navigator
                        You have no argument except a reference to canons

                        Not arguments? belay Are you friends with logic? What are canons in a church? The laws that they themselves undertook to live and teach others to live. And if someone departs from these laws, they call him an apostate. The iron argument.
                        Quote: navigator
                        Already priests were equalized with prostitutes.

                        It’s not my fault that some of the people in the cassock have become them.
                      6. navigator
                        navigator 22 October 2015 15: 05 New
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                        I told you clearly more than you can accommodate.

                        "Quote: navigator

                        No need to ascribe to me what I did not do.
                        belay

                        Quote: navigator

                        , I wrote about the work of a priest, who, like any other work, must be paid "


                        Why did you get the idea that priests should do everything for free? Why should a choir sing for free, why should temples be heated, lighted, and renovated for free? Is it with your logic problems, and not just with logic. Aren't you tired of writing pascivli for church? You are a secular person, besides "ordinary".

                        "I know, but I do not observe. Because I am a layman in church language."

                        So calm down, non-observer. Write nonsense without even realizing it. The layman also lives according to church canons, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, BY DEFINITION, ARE A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH NOT HAVING SANA. You are not a layman, because you have no relation to the Church and a member She is not. Is this understandable? You are a secular ordinary person who hates the Church. Without respect.
                      7. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 October 2015 16: 48 New
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                        Quote: navigator
                        BECAUSE THE PEOPLE, BY DEFINITION, ARE A MEMBER OF THE CHURCH NOT HAVING SANA

                        Wrong, Mirsky. request But you already understood that, just by the way they got attached.
                        As for the rest - I saw emotions with false slander, there are no answers to questions. So what's up?
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        would you send your child to study if the teacher earned extra money by prostitution?

                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Refute at least one of Diomede's statements?
                      8. navigator
                        navigator 22 October 2015 19: 17 New
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                        "I was mistaken, MIRSKAYA. Request But you already understood this, you just got attached to the word."

                        I didn’t cling to anything. I also understood that you are mistaken in simple things, what kind of discussion there is of errors and non-observance of the canons of the former bishop-schismatic. My argument with you reminds Zhvanetsky with his argument about the taste of oysters with those who ate them .

                        "For the rest, I saw emotions with false slander, there are no answers to questions. So what about questions?"

                        Not a teacher at school and not an investigator during interrogation. And to hear the answers, you must at least listen and know the subject of the dispute. You, saying that 2x2 = 5, require discussing with Newton bin. Learn the materiel.
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 18: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    ? How do you like the example of TRUE Father?

    In the 60s, our priests also walked.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 21: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      In the 60s, our priests also walked.

      And for the most part they knocked on the KGB.
      1. navigator
        navigator 21 October 2015 22: 02 New
        0
        "And for the most part they knocked on the KGB."

        Famous myth.
  • navigator
    navigator 21 October 2015 11: 51 New
    +1
    “Well, for example, a baptism from 800 to one and a half thousand, and there are different candles. Bells in the Perm monastery Chelyabinsk authorities provided. Because of the rural parish, whole wars flare up. So something like that”

    In your opinion, the Baptism, and the funeral service, and everything else the priest should do for free. Candles, icons should also not be sold, but should be given for free. Are you aware of the cost of electricity and other services at the rates of commercial organizations? work for free, Sorokin? Authorities paid the bells, sinned up sins and what? Although they did something useful, everything is not for drugs and common fund. Something like that.
    1. Olegovi4
      Olegovi4 21 October 2015 18: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: navigator
      In your opinion, both the Baptism, and the funeral service, and everything else the priest should do for free.

      For that, in your opinion, to consecrate a person to God and send his soul to him for “silver coins” is the norm. Well good luck with the Russian Orthodox Church.
      1. navigator
        navigator 21 October 2015 18: 30 New
        -1
        "For that, in your opinion, dedicating a person to God and sending his soul to him for" silver coins "is the norm. Well, good luck to you, along with the Russian Orthodox Church."

        Do you yourself understand what you wrote? For which “silver coins” to send which soul to whom is this the norm? Thanks for the wish of good luck with the Russian Orthodox Church, with whom else.
  • KOH
    KOH 21 October 2015 06: 00 New
    +4
    It is necessary to change the constitution of the 90s, which was written under the dictation of mattresses, after changing some articles, all sorts of false patriots will be shut up right away, in fear of being imprisoned, or deported ..., to use the ordinary language, they will start to answer for the bazaar ...
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 06: 07 New
      +4
      Our challenge nationalize the banking systemstarting with the Central Bank, bowels and other natural resources, strategic industriesincluding energy and transport. Return state monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return a state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.
      Welcome http://referendumrusnod.ru/
      1. Socialism 2.0
        Socialism 2.0 21 October 2015 06: 37 New
        +2
        your GCD, the same Kremlin pseudo-patriotic sharazhka as air defense
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 06: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: 2.0 Socialism
          your GCD, the same Kremlin pseudo-patriotic sharazhka as air defense

          GCD is the same as ours. Judging by your remark, say about my words,

          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          Our task is to nationalize the banking system, starting with the Central Bank, subsoil and other natural resources, strategic industries, including energy and transport. Return the state’s monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.

          you have nothing.

          PS By the way, the minus is not mine. wink
          1. Socialism 2.0
            Socialism 2.0 21 October 2015 06: 48 New
            +2
            Fedorov is an empty-headed chatterbox, together with Starikov, fooling the people of the brain, pulling on themselves potentially healthy patriotic forces.
            On the downside, it’s violet to me, seeing how all the jingoistic patriotic slag is posted by the local generals under each article.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 07: 12 New
              +2
              Have I even said a WORD about Fedorov? And, by the way, he and Starikov make a fool of the people much less than corrupt brainless communists who destroyed our country twice in the last century - in 1917 and 1917.
              If you, like chain dogs, throw themselves at anyone who disagrees with you and is ready to shoot everyone, as the "great" Trotsky and Co. bequeathed, this does not make you a patriot in any way. You are not patriots, you are just frenzied, thoughtless bitterness.

              And I repeat the question - do you have something to say against my words?

              Quote: VseDoFeNi
              Our challenge nationalize the banking systemstarting with the Central Bank, bowels and other natural resources, strategic industriesincluding energy and transport. Return the state’s monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return the state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.
              Welcome http://referendumrusnod.ru/
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 32 New
              0
              Quote: 2.0 Socialism
              pulling over potentially healthy patriotic forces.

              This is right at this historical moment. Otherwise, these patriotic forces will climb to make the Maidan in Red Square under the guidance of dark personalities, skillfully hiding in the crowd. And the power must be forced to work scaring the Maidan, and not to arrange the Maidan in reality.
              According to Starikov’s assessment, I agree that I prefer the views of Fursov and Strelkov. hi
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 21 October 2015 07: 16 New
        +5
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Return the state monopoly

        To return the monopoly to all this, I completely agree. But here to reduce the production of alcohol and tobacco to zero - it’s you, my friend, turned down. Already passed this, and not just us. Do you want to get smuggling? And she will be checked by time.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 07: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: EvgNik
          But here to reduce the production of alcohol and tobacco to zero - it’s you, my friend, turned down. Already passed this, and not just us. Do you want to get smuggling?

          You recall the success of the Soviet Union in the eradication of smuggling? Was there a lot of it in the USSR?
          Why don’t you like yourself? You personally can do without poison or wait for a doctor’s pendell after a heart attack? My father smoked ... before a heart attack. With ischemic heart disease and other angina pectoris smoked. And I smoked for 30 years looking at him, stopped smoking without honey. testimony, thanks Zhdanov.
          How much do you need to transplant idi.ot.ov who committed drunken crimes ???
          1. andj61
            andj61 21 October 2015 08: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            You recall the success of the Soviet Union in the eradication of smuggling? Was there a lot of it in the USSR?

            Do you recall the "successes" in the fight against alcoholism in the USSR? Eradicated drunkenness under Gorbachev? There is no need for smuggling - they will drink counterfeit drugs and switch to chemistry, many will also try drugs - drug addiction and substance abuse - from the time of Gorbachev. And as an eyewitness and participant in these events, I can responsibly declare SUCH SUCH rubbish and in SUCH quantities to drink, as they drank about the time of the fight against drunkenness, and did not drink under Brezhnev or under the "drunk" Yeltsin. The fight against alcoholism and smoking should be exclusively at the propaganda level, plus incentives in enterprises - bonuses, gifts, etc. It is possible that the benefits of medical care - for non-drinkers and non-smokers, to provide for some paid types of medical services for free - of course, you need to consider the mechanism.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 09: 50 New
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              Quote: andj61
              There is no need for smuggling here - they will drink counterfeit drugs and switch to chemistry, many will also try drugs - addiction and substance abuse

              That is, you sacredly believe that drunkenness in the USSR with all narcology and LTP is garbage in vegetable oil? The Communist Party perfectly succeeded in drinking the population of the USSR. But it did not work out to fix it because of a different goal setting. Gorbachev had the task of destroying the USSR, and not pissing his people from an alcoholic dope.
              And where did you get the idea that a sober person would rush to pour poison in himself?

              And fighting FOR sobriety is easy, as Zhdanov suggested, you need to give 80% of the fines to the police and everything will be decided very quickly.

              Actually, the main thing is that children do not start drinking, looking at their parents. And you, at least get drunk to death.
              1. andj61
                andj61 21 October 2015 10: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: VseDoFeNi
                That is, you sacredly believe that drunkenness in the USSR with all narcology and LTP is garbage in vegetable oil?

                No need to juggle, I just said that the maximum rampant drunkenness was under Gorbachev, there are also the sources of drug addiction and substance abuse. All this was maximized precisely in the era of the fight against alcoholism. Regarding the task of Gorbachev - now we can say anything. But he had no purpose to destroy the USSR. He was just a talker, and listened to talkers and traitors. And the beautiful-hearted chatterbox considered that by means of prohibitions and toughening repressions (you also think) you can put an end to drunkenness. But what really happened was not the fight against drunkenness, but the humiliation of the people who were driven into kilometer (and there is little exaggeration, he himself stood in) lines. And drunkards switched to moonshine, surrogates, falsifications, etc. BF-6 glue - water was added, the impeller was placed on a drill or a drilling machine, and glue was wound on a drill in a container with glue - they drink liquid. Acetone - "you smear a glass - you go bad for three days - good!". A spot on the head is shaved, an incision is made, a cotton wool moistened with acetone is placed on it; Gutalin - spread on bread and overnight on a battery, the next morning cut off shoe polish - ready for use. Two “zilch” dichlorvos in a mug of beer ... And as teenagers sniffed the “Moment” glue - and this caused some adverse changes in the brain, they became dibs: glue fumes slowly dissolve the brain, which, in general, adipose tissue ... More recipes from those times to give? - And that was all, and the reason for this was the administrative and prohibitive measures in the fight against alcoholism. That is approximately what you offer, maybe, only in a slightly different performance.
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 18: 44 New
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                  Quote: andj61
                  the maximum rampant drunkenness was under Gorbachev

                  It's a lie. Under Gorbachev there was a minimum of alcohol consumption. It was perfectly visible to me with a sober look.

                  Quote: andj61
                  And the beautiful-hearted chatterbox considered that by means of prohibitions and toughening repressions (you also think) you can put an end to drunkenness.

                  The cross on drunkenness must be put upbringing, first of all. Although bans are needed unconditionally.
                  You must understand that if you remove the ban from theft and bribes, they will become more.
                  The same thing with drunkenness.

                  Quote: andj61
                  . Gutalin - spread on bread and overnight on a battery, the next morning cut off shoe polish - ready for use. Two zilch dichlorvos in a mug of beer ..

                  And let's allow the drug, any !!! fool You strongly believe that prohibitions only harm.

                  Quote: andj61
                  .And as teenagers sniffed the “Moment” glue - and this caused some adverse changes in the brain, they became dibs: glue pairs slowly dissolve the brain, which, in general, is fatty tissue ...

                  I have never seen such teenagers. And if they were abandoned by their parents, then the point is not the prohibitions on drunkenness. Or do you propose to ensure the delivery of beer to the doorstep of the school? fool

                  No, you drink something. The main thing is to protect children from this infection. You are too late. You are already adult boys who have poisoned their liver, kidneys, pancreas ...

          2. Turkir
            Turkir 21 October 2015 10: 39 New
            +2
            EvgNik - just rightly remarked that harsh prohibitive measures - are not viable. All these cries about the dangers of drinking and smoking will not lead to their disappearance. This has been shown by international experience.
            By the way, these banal statements distract from solving more pressing problems of an economic nature, the indicators of which are unemployment and low living standards. Perhaps this is more important?
            Is there a problem you wrote about? Yes. Nobody denies her. But the answer to her decision has not yet been found, anywhere.
            All this reminds me of how the Duma "helped" Russian producers - introduced a tax on imported coffee. True, it is still not known where coffee grows in the Russian Federation.
            ---
            After rising prices for tobacco and alcohol, the state began to receive more deductions to the budget. This is me, by the way ...
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 18: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Turkir
              that harsh prohibitive measures are not viable.

              And you in Saudi Arabia try to get drunk or go drunk, you will instantly understand the viability of tough measures. laughing

              Believe me, if hands were cut for theft and bribes, thieves and bribe takers would be noticeably reduced. angry

              But the answer to her decision has not yet been found, anywhere.

              Once again to the Saudis ... good

              Or to Iran ...
              Everyone flying to Iran will have to say goodbye to their pig style and habits already on board the plane - it doesn’t matter if Iran is an airline or not: firstly, you will not be sold alcohol (since the transportation, production and consumption of alcohol is prohibited by law in Iran, alcohol equated with narcotic substances - and the last death penalty for drinking alcohol was carried out about two months ago). That is, even if a passenger arrives in Iran drunk, the police have every right to arrest him and impose a punishment in the form of a certain number of strokes with a stick. Iran is one of 40 countries in the world where alcohol is completely banned.

              This is for the first time. If you get caught a couple more times, the trip to Iran will end on the gallows (officially executed in this country by hanging). And it is unlikely that the Iranian authorities will worry about the fact that the defendant is a foreigner.
      3. Bekas1967
        Bekas1967 21 October 2015 08: 54 New
        +1
        Absolutely something ???? No, you can’t do without vodka !!! You need to fight alcoholism, but not by prohibitive methods.
        1. Hleb
          Hleb 21 October 2015 09: 11 New
          +2
          Well, you can’t tolerate this anymore. smoking and bluing the evil level of war. the government understands this, but apart from the ban on smoking in public places and sales from 10 hours (and in some regions from 2 days) they didn’t come up with anything. and they won’t come up with such approaches and would rather die out than they would begin to withdraw such a source of replenishment of the budget and pockets. prices, on the contrary, creep up and as a result a person does not quit smoking, but from Camel or Marlborough he switches to some kind of Optima, but begins to grow a samosad in the garden instead of potatoes, simultaneously distilling moonshine.
          how many problems do we have with the health of the nation due to drunkenness and smoking ...
        2. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 09: 18 New
          0
          Quote: Bekas1967
          No, you can’t do without vodka !!!

          Something tells me that you are a drinker.

          Quote: Bekas1967
          It is necessary to combat alcoholism, but not by prohibitive methods.

          What, permissive-compelling? laughing

          Recently, an aunt told me that if the Criminal Code is abolished, there will be no crime. fool
          1. Bekas1967
            Bekas1967 21 October 2015 10: 44 New
            +3
            I drink it))) especially in good company! And about the punishments,; the inevitability and the law are the same for everyone, regardless of the ranks and merit! That’s what, and not the severity of the Criminal Code, we need. I don’t smoke, but I won’t forbid others , this is their RIGHT. And then you can ban sugar, we have a lot of diabetics ...
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 19: 21 New
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              Quote: Bekas1967
              I drink it)))

              What a dodger you are. You go and urinate call discharge. laughing

              Quote: Bekas1967
              And about the punishments,; inevitability and the law are one for all, regardless of the ranks and merit! That’s what, and not the severity of the Criminal Code, we need.

              All those flying to Iran will have to say goodbye to their pig style and habits already on board the plane - it doesn’t matter if Iran is an airline or not: firstly, they will not sell you alcohol (since the transportation, production and consumption of alcohol is prohibited in Iran at the legislative level, alcohol is equated with narcotic substances - and the last death penalty for alcohol was carried out about two months ago) That is, even if a passenger arrives in Iran drunk, the police have every right to arrest him and impose a punishment in the form of a certain number of strokes with a stick. Iran is one of 40 countries in the world where alcohol is completely banned.

              This is for the first time. If you get caught a couple more times, the trip to Iran will end on the gallows (officially executed in this country by hanging). And it is unlikely that the Iranian authorities will worry about the fact that the defendant is a foreigner.


              Quote: Bekas1967
              I myself do not smoke, but I will not forbid others, it is their RIGHT

              And what about smoking mothers and even pregnant women? They poison children, even their own and unborn, but they take away the health of OTHER people. These are CRIMINALS.

              Quote: Bekas1967
              And then sugar can be banned, we have a lot of diabetics ...

              You still won’t believe it, but diabetes is treated elementarily, but not by medical methods.



              I assure you, most people on Earth live a sober life.
      4. Uncle Joe
        Uncle Joe 21 October 2015 16: 20 New
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        And you perfectly understand that no one pays me
        But not a fact.

        You constantly repeat the same nonsense, knowing full well that this is nonsense.

        You are talking about nationalization, and at the same time you are accusing the bourgeois-oligarchic authorities and Putin personifying it, repeatedly declaring that there will not be any revision of the results of privatization, conducting (and conducting) the privatization of energy and transport, saying that the government did not begin to nationalize even then when the enterprises themselves asked for this, who assured that the free movement of capital would be preserved, that Russia would remain a liberal market economy, that the authorities would consistently continue the line of encouraging private initiative, of integration into the world economy.

        You also know very well that there can be no question of any nationalization (change of ownership from private to state) of the subsoil or the Central Bank, since, in accordance with Section 2 of the Subsoil Law, the subsoil and its contents are state-owned, and the Central Bank in general state institution.

        At the same time, you are talking about the need for what the so-called “corrupt destroyers” —the Bolsheviks / Communists — did so you didn’t do, to throw a shit in which you never miss the chance.

        That is, you constantly contradict yourself, and at the same time you're lying.

        And such contradictions, diluted with false nonsense, can arise only in 2 cases - either when a person is completely not friends with his head, or when he is paid for it.
        1. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 19: 12 New
          -1
          Pot calls the kettle black...

          You are a subtle Russophobe and a hater of Putin who saved Russia from its final collapse by creating a vertical of power. Etc.
          In general, “Today, under Putin, people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this is the courtyards of Russian cities, clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
          And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

          As for the lies, you could no longer convict me of the fact that I scolded Stalin and the USSR.

          ... and yours would be silent.
          1. Uncle Joe
            Uncle Joe 22 October 2015 00: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            You are a subtle Russophobe and a hater of Putin, who saved Russia from its final collapse by creating a vertical of power.
            Delivered: a vertical from Sechin, Serdyukov and other EP, created by Putin, saved Russia from the final collapse - cheers, comrades ... negative

            Today, under Putin, people in Russia live so RICH
            The obvious fact that “with” is not at all equal to “thanks” is completely ignored.

            many of which are bought with overpayment on credit. This indicates that people have money to overpay and the lack of intelligence, so as not to overpay.
            No comment ...

            In general, Putin is doing everything right, but -

            Quote: VseDoFeNi
            Our challenge nationalize the banking systemstarting with the Central Bank, bowels and other natural resources, strategic industriesincluding energy and transport. Return state monopoly on foreign trade, prohibit the free movement of capital across the border. Return a state monopoly on the production and trade of alcohol and tobacco with a gradual reduction in their turnover to zero.

            - that is, minus the frank nonsense about the nationalization of the subsoil and the Central Bank, the task is to do the exact opposite of what good Putin does, who does everything right.


            Such contradictions, diluted with false nonsense, can arise only in 2 cases - either when a person is completely not friends with his head, or when he is paid for it.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 22 October 2015 03: 41 New
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              Quote: Uncle Joe
              diluted with false nonsense can only occur in 2


              About such a comment on the post, I completely deleted it immediately yesterday .. it seems almost literally ..
              1. VseDoFeNi
                VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 06: 51 New
                0
                Quote: afdjhbn67
                About such a comment on the post, I completely deleted it immediately yesterday .. it seems almost literally ..

                And my comments are often deleted. wink
                Even in this thread removed when I wrote about Judeo-Christianity. And this despite the fact that the former patriarch himself, Alexy 2, said that
                The main idea of ​​this sermon is the closest relationship between the Old Testament and New Testament religions. The unity of Judaism and Christianity has a real basis for spiritual and natural kinship and positive religious interests. We are one with the Jews, not rejecting Christianity, not contrary to Christianity, but in the name and by virtue of Christianity, and the Jews are one with us not contrary to Judaism, but in the name and by virtue of true Judaism. We are therefore separated from the Jews, because we are still “not completely Christians,” and the Jews are therefore separated from us because they are “not completely Jews.” For the fullness of Christianity embraces Judaism, and the fullness of Judaism is Christianity.

                As for Uncle Joe, he simply tries to provoke a negative among Russian people. Without the negativity, rEvolution does not work, and all the arrogant Saxon technologies fly down the drain.
            2. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 06: 56 New
              0
              Uncle Joe, I have strong immunity for your manipulations. You can not try. laughing
  • blizart
    blizart 21 October 2015 06: 05 New
    +4
    In the thought of the discreetness of true patriotism, the author echoes Tolstoy. He, too, sarcastically spoke of "ostentatious" types of patriotism such as pinching lint by countesses or equipping militia regiments with nobles at their own expense. And he called the Russian peasants real patriots that they didn’t bring forage to the enemy for any money - they burned it, nailing foragers if possible, and the conditional old lady who, despite assurances about Moscow’s defense and prohibitions to leave, quietly slipped out of it from all the yard, leaving everything acquired. There was no question for her that the inhabitants of all other European capitals positively decided for themselves: "How will it be under the Frenchman?" It was impossible under the Frenchman. By the way, recalling the terrible blow to the enemy of Borodin, we underestimate the psychological impact on the invasion - the spectacles of an empty Moscow.
  • V.ic
    V.ic 21 October 2015 06: 16 New
    +4
    that Putin (again, notice, ONE, HIMSELF, PERSONALLY) let into the country billions refugees from Ukraine who ... By Boss

    Why not trillions?
    The author here laid out everything on the shelves in the part concerning the "electorate", here he is "+". But he would have had the courage and courage to tell us, Siri, about the pseudo-patriotism of “our” oligarchs and their “sixes” / disproportionately large layer of officials / ... He said “A”, say “B”, otherwise it turned out - "neither be, nor me, nor crow."
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 October 2015 12: 33 New
      +3
      about the pseudo-patriotism of "our" oligarchs and their "sixes"
      the author himself is the six oligarchs.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 21 October 2015 06: 19 New
    +6
    Well, the author showed who the "enemies" are. And who are the "friends"? Those not mentioned in the text? Those. first of all, of course, the Russian Orthodox Church, which, with the appearance of an elephant, walks in gold robes and diamond watches past the "mosque". Yes, and they were appointed state-forming. Excuse me, author, but so far we have separated the church from the state. And I don’t know who is doing more for the “Maidan” in Moscow - Rodnover or pop on the “Ferari”. I bow even more to the latter. And the other "friends"? Officials, oligarchs, businessmen? They are also not mentioned in the article, which means that everything is fine here and patriotism in those parts is going through the roof. Maybe I missed something, enlighten.
    The ending of the article is very good. I always say that too. What you need to start with yourself. But ... it would be good and right if I lived somewhere in the taiga or on an island and from there "loved the Motherland". And I live in a society in which I am constantly prevented from "starting with myself." Well, we gave birth to a child, not one, but three. And then ... prices soared, the dollar, you see, has risen in price. Although what does it have to do with our pasta with buckwheat or ice cream or children's furniture, "maid and rush"? And the salary did not fly up. And what to do with the children? Like that businessman ruined who just took and killed his own. He, too, when the children appeared, was a well-to-do person. Go to get a second job and send my wife to work? And then who will deal with children? There are no places in kindergartens, and they are not drawn to these "institutions" after seeing what is happening there. And in a private kindergarten to give, so it will have to work. Anyway, man does not need to live? Only work? So I want to drive out the "gopota" from the entrance. They gathered with their neighbors, took a bit and went to drive them away, and then, according to the statement of the same “gopota”, we will be sent to the police and put in prison for the infliction. Not to mention, if you speak out against non-Russians, they will generally be condemned for inciting ethnic hatred. And how to lower utility bills, or the cost of gasoline, for example, also go out on a community work day? In general, of course, it’s good to start with oneself, but to ask from thieving officials, from parasites, priests, from oligarchs who simply rob people, the STATE should, otherwise why do we need it, we will work it out on community work days.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 21 October 2015 07: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: alicante11
      Well, the author showed who the "enemies" are. And who are the "friends"? Those not mentioned in the text?

      Well, how about "... you won’t get the dismissal of a big official, you won’t take away billions from the oligarch.", But you don’t cope with them anyway therefore "... Do what you can. Plant a tree, build a house, give birth son. ", therefore the above-mentioned groups are the current" friends "and" patriots ", this is a kind of sacred cow, but in general the article is the point of view of a tradesman from the city N, the characteristic sign is -" ... There is such an expression - “sweep your side the streets. ”This means that I don’t look whether the neighbor opposite me has swept his side. Let him live in the mud, if he wants. Let the garbage from his side blow the wind onto mine. Let, in the end, they live alone around and get dirty "nobody sweeps anything. But I will sweep in front of my house." it’s such a “hatred”, purely local thinking, I feel good and ok
      1. Dr. Livesey
        Dr. Livesey 21 October 2015 08: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: sa-ag
        Quote: alicante11
        Well, the author showed who the "enemies" are. And who are the "friends"? Those not mentioned in the text?

        Well, how about "... you won’t get the dismissal of a big official, you won’t take away billions from the oligarch.", But you don’t cope with them anyway therefore "... Do what you can. Plant a tree, build a house, give birth son. ", therefore the above-mentioned groups are the current" friends "and" patriots ", this is a kind of sacred cow, but in general the article is the point of view of a tradesman from the city N, the characteristic sign is -" ... There is such an expression - “sweep your side the streets. ”This means that I don’t look whether the neighbor opposite me has swept his side. Let him live in the mud, if he wants. Let the garbage from his side blow the wind onto mine. Let, in the end, they live alone around and get dirty "nobody sweeps anything. But I will sweep in front of my house." it’s such a “hatred”, purely local thinking, I feel good and ok

        Taking off my hat. hi Glad to see you again.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 21 October 2015 08: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Dr. Livesey
          Glad to see you again.

          Thank you:-)
      2. Genry
        Genry 21 October 2015 08: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: sa-ag
        it’s such a “hatred”, purely local thinking, I feel good and ok

        How to turn it out!
        Previously, it was called "make a contribution to the cause", "even a little bit."
        It all starts with a small one made by one person. Then comes the development.
        1. sa-ag
          sa-ag 21 October 2015 09: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Genry
          Previously, it was called "make a contribution to the cause", "even a little bit."

          Yes, but all together
    2. andj61
      andj61 21 October 2015 08: 57 New
      +5
      Quote: alicante11
      And I don’t know who is doing more for the “Maidan” in Moscow - Rodnover or pop on the “Ferari”. I bow even more to the latter. And the other "friends"? Officials, oligarchs, businessmen? They are also not mentioned in the article, which means that everything is fine here and patriotism in those parts is going through the roof. Maybe I missed something, enlighten.

      good! The author generally smeared too many with black paint. And at the same time he kept silent about a great deal. I did not like this article - precisely because of the contention. And right now, when the unity of the people is needed more than ever, and this unity is finally, very slowly, beginning to take on a visible form.
    3. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 21 October 2015 10: 49 New
      +2
      The state is the main commander of its people.
    4. Turkir
      Turkir 21 October 2015 10: 56 New
      +1
      Well, the author showed who the "enemies" are. And who are the "friends"?

      You correctly noticed the peculiarity of this simply private opinion.
      We learned who, according to the author, is not patriots. Apparently the answer to the question is, and who are the “normal” patriots, we can only logically - this is all the others who did not get on this list. winked
      ----
      Personally, I have always believed that patriotism is not loud and not parade.
  • Hleb
    Hleb 21 October 2015 06: 28 New
    +3
    Who are the Dolboslavs, they are also pagansThey are neopagans, they are also member-worshipers - it has been known for a long time.

    Well, neo-pagans, member-worshipers, modern Rodnovers - they can be called dolboslavy, but how can the term "paganism" be equated with dolboslavity? moreover, to say that this has been known for a long time ... for a long time it was probably when pagans called those who did not profess Christianity and Judaism?
    subtly tried to hint)
  • populist
    populist 21 October 2015 06: 30 New
    +4
    Plant a tree, build a house, give birth to a son. Do you want to fight and seek justice? Fight and get close to yourself.

    Exposing certain pseudo-patriotisms, the author revealed Urbi et Orbi (City and Peace)
    communal (housing and communal services) pseudo-patriotism, no less dangerous and harmful.
    People be vigilant.
  • Vladycat
    Vladycat 21 October 2015 06: 31 New
    +3
    The article is not bad, but categorical. In the camp of the above pseudo-patriotic sects, people who are patriots just meet. Because we now in fact have no communities where you can talk, argue on the topic of patriotism. Even on the Internet such people peck and minus. So you have to (roughly speaking) join a more aggressive company. Ps and the pagans are not friends with Orthodoxy precisely because, it and not other religions burned them out, despite all its tolerance and humility.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 21 October 2015 06: 31 New
    +10
    In my opinion, the author goes overboard a bit. If I reel with a saber and respect the grandfather of the late communist order bearer I respect, SO, I don’t like my homeland?
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  • Oprychnik
    Oprychnik 21 October 2015 06: 38 New
    +9
    I wonder who the Boss will refer the author of these lines to.
    What seal will put on it?

    "Homeland" M.Yu. Lermontov

    I love my motherland, but with strange love!
    Her reason will not win.
    No fame, bought with blood,
    Neither full of proud peace of mind,
    Neither dark antiquities cherished precepts
    Do not stir in me a pleasant dream.

    But I love - for which, I don’t know myself -
    Its steppes are a cold silence,
    Its forests are boundless kolyagyan,
    The spills of its rivers, like the seas;
    In the country way I like jumping in a cart
    And, with a slow gaze of a night piercing the shadow,
    To meet on the sides, sighing about the overnight stay,
    Trembling lights of sad villages;
    I love the smoke of a bedroom stubble,
    In the steppe, the overnight convoy
    And on a hill among the yellow fields
    Even the white birches.
    With joy, a lot of unfamiliar,
    I see a full threshing floor,
    The hut covered with straw,
    With carved shutters window;
    And on a feast in the evening dewy,
    Watch until midnight ready
    On the dance with stomping and whistling
    Under the sound of drunken peasants.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 21 October 2015 06: 50 New
    +2
    Quote: samarin1969
    Russian patriot "Boss" taught me the whole article CORRECTLY to love my homeland.

    I agree! There are a lot of letters — how can I love the Motherland! ANY patriot can believe in anything — NOT PROHIBITED BY THE LAW. This concerns nationalism, etc. ANY patriot may not like Putin and his government (and this does not make him a “pseudo-patriot”). And calls-get out around the house, and fight with your housing and communal services (and don’t think about more) -this is calls to turn into a shell, they say don’t go into big politics, and there they’ll figure it out. It's disgusting! I’ll love my homeland in my own way, the only thing limits human freedom — this is where the freedom of another person begins. yes hi
  • Mercury
    Mercury 21 October 2015 06: 54 New
    0
    At the expense of the Dolboslavs, I completely agree, since they are the same as the ukrodolboslavs. This is a clear policy against the Orthodox Church against Russia as the most powerful Orthodox state after Byzantium. Well, I’m naturally against the opinion that the monarchists are washed. Everywhere there are fanatics, but you need to love your homeland as a whole and Kievan Rus and the Russian empire and the rest after the Leninist Maidan, the people were building a new country. since the civil war of 1917, when a brother killed his brother for believing in God and for a bright German-Marxist future.
  • wadim13
    wadim13 21 October 2015 06: 56 New
    +7
    I ask the author to distinguish subclasses. I here support the communist ideology, but the apparent venality of the Communist Party of the Simonenkovo ​​did not enter into force. Who am I ?
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 21 October 2015 07: 07 New
      +4
      Obviously not the Pope. And Simonenko is quite a competent man, though a bastard. I was familiar with his bodyguards; they did not say anything good about him.
      1. wadim13
        wadim13 21 October 2015 07: 41 New
        +6
        Yes, we are all pretty competent men here. Once I was at a meeting with Petya before the next election. Our men tell him how to work with people on the ground. Remember the old phrase: "The communist is, above all, an agitator"? And this freak, orgasming from self-contemplation and howls of mongrels from the retinue, is pounding about the memorized phrases from agitlistovas about NATO. Dude finally differentiated where he was, roofing felts in the Verkhovna Rada, or in a small room with the villagers. But the apotheosis of everything was how once familiar party members suggested that I lead a local party member. There were three arguments. The first one is salary, the second one is personal transport, the third one (to avoid injuries, I ask you not to read further standing) - for any flight at work (arbitrariness of authorities, hitting organs for a bribe), everything can be immediately transferred to political repression. Type, complete invulnerability. Then for three days I was sick at the mere mention of the CPU
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 21 October 2015 08: 25 New
          +1
          I have a neighbor, the head of the district scale "communist". He rides a bicycle, dressed since the times of the USSR. But as soon as the elections - a suit for 500 euros and a Mercedes. Well, at least he says hello, and that’s good.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 07: 34 New
    -3
    Give patriots, I'll sit and see how you face each other here on the site will beat, forgetting that you live in one country.
    The saga is not concerned, a stranger from a foreign land.
    1. Bekas1967
      Bekas1967 21 October 2015 10: 55 New
      +3
      Divided (((ours-strangers ... even during the Second World War, "strangers" seemed to be their own. And if tomorrow again?
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 21 October 2015 07: 37 New
    +3
    I was a member of the CPSU. 19 years old. I came out of it one of the first. (I wanted to leave a year after joining, but promised to declare it an enemy of the people). I didn’t come out because the party’s ideology was wrong, but because it degenerated into a structure that was exclusively engaged in economic activities and raising personal status in society. the first invaders (or rather, in the front ranks) were party members and the Komsomol. The church is a separate conversation, but it’s funny when the leaders of the state ineptly baptized in the church (and before they fought with it!). And so, according to the article, it turns out that there are no true patriots in Russia (except for the author), the rest are all messed up in something.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 October 2015 07: 57 New
      +3
      Quote: EvgNik
      And so, according to the article, it turns out that there are no true patriots in Russia (except for the author), the rest are all messed up in something.

      Everyone loves their homeland in their own way.
      I suggest watching a short video for a more in-depth understanding of this topic:

    2. Moore
      Moore 21 October 2015 09: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: EvgNik
      I was a member of the CPSU. 19 years old. I came out of it one of the first. (I wanted to leave a year after joining, but promised to declare an enemy of the people). I didn’t come out because the ideology of the party is not true ...

      Well, did real Communists stop the threat of becoming "enemies of the people"? laughing They fought to the end!
      I immediately recall the story of one “native” that happened before my eyes.
      The fact is that the political leaders of all ranks have always been very sensitive to the party stratum among the ensigns, especially the mechanics-drivers of launchers. I remember there was a warrant-loafer who joined the CPSU as a candidate and on this basis he was entrusted with the sacred - the division’s bread truck!
      And our hero arrived as a candidate right from the training session - he immediately became a deputy of all party conferences, and after the lapse of time they entrusted him with the no less sacred - a notebook where the order was spent on all kinds of deficient nishtyaks, sometimes falling to the division level through a sieve of overlying structures - women's boots, televisions and etc.
      Our communist distributed everything honestly - the old notebook was missing somewhere and the conscientious man started a new one - with himself and the most authoritative ensigns of the division in the front ranks (not forgetting the political commander and commando). And then these ridiculous handouts disappeared by the year 91.
      And the question arose before the "conscience of the division" - what about paying nafuya 6 rubles for party contributions in such inhuman conditions ??
      The speeches of the ensign at the meeting of the party organization of the division on the occasion of his withdrawal from the ranks would have been envied by Plevako himself with Leiba Bronstein. It turns out that he was faithfully mistaken, but in fact everything there - well, as you have - "was reborn, deviation, bloody gebnya, etc."
      Before the dissolution of the Communist Party of thirty thirty he saved ...
      No, I'm not a fan of Sue and the rest. And why at my place is still a membership card and an account card - HZ.
  • Shurale
    Shurale 21 October 2015 08: 20 New
    +1
    Normal patriots always call for creation, pseudo-patriots for destruction.

    I have a nagging liberal to the marrow of bones, so he believes that you can’t do something by force, with bloodshed, etc. When I offer him to answer the question of how to remove all thieves from power in a bloodless way, he replies that you just need to wait.
    Really funny?
    1. traveler
      traveler 21 October 2015 08: 40 New
      +4
      well, so the rejection of violence is not bad, certainly better than the thirst for bloodshed.
  • slizhov
    slizhov 21 October 2015 08: 40 New
    +2
    Not Syrians and those fleeing the war, sleek, sinewy, muscular in order to sit at the basin with the grub allocated by the EU.
    And all this riffraff, such as Pusi, Masha, Ksyusha, which is difficult to live without oysters, is already being thrown overboard as a foam over our Power, which, of course, has many difficulties and many problems. But who, when Nabat sounds, goes back to a neighbor in the village and starts a showdown related to his disrespect for himself? )
  • traveler
    traveler 21 October 2015 08: 46 New
    +3
    there is still such an option - the Orthodox Communists, now very much in demand, and judging by Channel 1 and Russia24 - they are the real patriots and they know exactly how to live.
    most of the readers of “in” are just those, judging by the comments.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 October 2015 12: 50 New
      +1
      most readers in
      An even simpler example is that all the liberals of Russia are pushing the idea of ​​the monarchy strenuously. True, it is not clear yet who they want as monarchs, either Romanov or Putin. The same Vanya Oh Lobystin offered both candidates.
      1. traveler
        traveler 21 October 2015 19: 20 New
        0
        liberals and monarchy? interesting cocktail
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 22 October 2015 03: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: traveler
          liberals and monarchy


          This is called a constitutional monarchy, do not disappoint ...
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 07: 09 New
            0
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            This is called a constitutional monarchy, do not disappoint ...

            Is it not otherwise that you are talking about old England? So you know that there is no constitution at all.
      2. navigator
        navigator 21 October 2015 20: 54 New
        0
        "An even simpler example is that all the liberals of Russia push hard on the idea of ​​the monarchy. The truth is, it’s not clear yet who they want as monarchs, either Romanov or Putin."

        Name at least one liberal monarchist, these are mutually exclusive concepts.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 22 October 2015 06: 52 New
          0
          Quote: navigator
          "An even simpler example is that all the liberals of Russia push hard on the idea of ​​the monarchy. The truth is, it’s not clear yet who they want as monarchs, either Romanov or Putin."

          Name at least one liberal monarchist, these are mutually exclusive concepts.

          The communist monarchist is so mutually exclusive, but liberals as much as you want .. for example, the UK will suit you?
          1. VseDoFeNi
            VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 07: 07 New
            0
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            but liberals arbitrarily

            Liberals are a tool, brainwashed people. Moreover, as soon as the law, the only thing that holds them back, stops working, they fall into savagery. Moreover, in absolute savagery in which there is no place for centuries-old foundations of the native "savages".
            The behavior of US liberals in New Orleans after Katrina is a vivid example.
            Liberalism, if you like, is selfish totalitarianism in the cube.
          2. navigator
            navigator 22 October 2015 09: 35 New
            0
            "Will the UK example suit you?"

            No, and there it is rather arbitrary and, most importantly, nameless. And we were talking about Russia, the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin. And it was proposed to NAME at least one Russian liberal-monarchist in Russia.
            1. VseDoFeNi
              VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 09: 42 New
              0
              Quote: navigator
              And we were talking about Russia, the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin.

              From this place in more detail, please. Or did you want to say about a FOLLOWER, not a descendant?
              1. navigator
                navigator 22 October 2015 19: 25 New
                0
                "From this place in more detail, please. Or did you want to say about the FOLLOWER, and not about the descendant?"

                From now on, what in more detail?

                I asked Gardamir to name at least one surname among the many liberal monarchists. Neither he nor the wedged-in afdjhbn67 did this.

                Quote Gardamir: “An even simpler example is that all the liberals of Russia push hard on the idea of ​​the monarchy. It’s true it’s not clear who they want to become a monarch, either Romanov or Putin. The same Vanya Oh lobystin suggested this and that candidate.”
                1. VseDoFeNi
                  VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 20: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: navigator
                  From now on, what in more detail?

                  Not Gardamir wrote that Putin is a descendant of the Romanovs ...
                  1. navigator
                    navigator 22 October 2015 21: 19 New
                    0
                    Quote Gardamir: "The truth is not clear yet who they want as monarchs, either Romanov or Putin."

                    Yours: "It’s not Gardamir who wrote that Putin is a descendant of the Romanovs ..."

                    And I didn’t write it. So what Romanov did he mean, the namesake?
                    The phrase "And we were talking about Russia, the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin" contains commas. If you understand that Russia is not a descendant of the Romanovs, then why is the continuation unclear? And there are commas.
                    1. VseDoFeNi
                      VseDoFeNi 23 October 2015 06: 52 New
                      0
                      Quote: navigator
                      Quote Gardamir: "The truth is not clear yet who they want as monarchs, either Romanov or Putin."

                      Yours: "It’s not Gardamir who wrote that Putin is a descendant of the Romanovs ..."

                      So again.
                      Quote: navigator
                      And we were talking about Russia, the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin.

                      You write, not Gardamir, that "the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin." A descendant, as I understand it, is a relative. You are a descendant of your parents, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, etc.
                      And it is obvious that the Romanovs, not the descendants of the Rurikovich, Putin is NOT a descendant of the Romanovs.
                      1. navigator
                        navigator 23 October 2015 08: 34 New
                        0
                        “You write, not Gardamir, that“ the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin. ”A descendant, as I understand it, a relative. You are a descendant of your parents, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, etc.
                        And it’s obvious that the Romanovs, not the descendants of the Rurikovich, Putin is NOT a descendant of the Romanovs. "

                        For those who are in the tank. I wrote: "And we were talking about Russia, the descendant of the Romanovs, Putin." By your logic, Putin is not only a descendant of the Romanovs, but also Russia. England was woven with nameless liberal monarchists. I recalled. that it was proposed to give at least one Russian surname of this in Russia. Where do you get what I did not write. For you, in view of the difficulty of reading, this option is: "And we were talking about Russia, the descendant of the Romanovs and Putin"
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  • Evgeniy-111
    Evgeniy-111 21 October 2015 09: 00 New
    +1
    Actually, our roots are not Christianity (even Orthodox), but that same paganism. If we use horticultural terms, then Christianity is an established graft on strong roots.
    1. Mercury
      Mercury 21 October 2015 09: 36 New
      -2
      Christianity cannot be the root as an institution can be the beginning of the formation of man. Yes, we have been pagans for hundreds and hundreds of years, but we have grown out of this
      1. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 09: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Mercury
        .Yes we have been pagans for hundreds and hundreds of years but we have grown out of this

        And he says that Russia was baptized with fire and sword. No?
  • Kovlad
    Kovlad 21 October 2015 09: 25 New
    +4
    The real case. I don’t remember exactly 2012 or 2013. Astrakhan region. The plot on TV: an African who was educated in one of the universities of the Russian Federation, decided to stay with us, settled in the Astrakhan region, took up melon. In the election of the local mayor, he decided to run for these "mayors". And here is a scene from the news: Hot summer, a tent in the local market, littered with watermelons, melons, a black man in a black suit, a snow-white shirt with a tie, widely spread arms and a snow-white smile on a black face. A banner is fixed on the tent: I WILL BE A MAYOR, I WILL POW AS A BLACK!

    A minus article. Under the concepts of the author, a kind of stigma of "pseudo-patriot", you can bring any person, starting with the author of the article. And our people live the same way, the first thoughts are to bring a salary home and try to do something at home and plant trees. And the vast majority do not have money to rest beyond the "hill" and most often they spend their holidays in their native country house.
  • Mercury
    Mercury 21 October 2015 09: 25 New
    0
    There are two forces in the world that are fighting. Russia and the West. And no matter how it hurts the rumor, Orthodoxy and the ecobichristians of the West and then open atheists. Starting from Alexander Nevsky to Nikolai || .According to Aleksandr, no one ideologically attacked Russia and Hitler attacked the field in order to update the old German German Windows communism on the Windows of fascism. The West does not like Russian Russia with the Orthodox faith. It is necessary that we have fagots priests and pedophile deputies in schools and whores of labor performers. And they will not interfere with the Russian faith that they flew in from Sirius as protouri. But they are like a bone in the throat Russian faith in the truth in God. Because we do not accept their laws of vice, whether it be permits of same-sex marriage or legalization of prostitution. They will be seen by shniki against the background of Russia
    1. traveler
      traveler 21 October 2015 09: 34 New
      +2
      aaaaaaaaaaaa !!!!
      fir trees, where do you come from, what is going on in your head?
      how can one get to this, what books to read, watch films?
      tell me.
    2. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 09: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Mercury
      they need us to have fagots priests and deputies pedophiles in schools and whores otnitsa labor

      This is satanism.

      Quote: Mercury
      Atoms like a bone in the throat of Russian faith in the truth in God.

      Which one?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 October 2015 09: 46 New
        0
        Quote: VseDoFeNi
        Which one?

        God is one! - the faiths are different.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 12: 37 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          God is one! - the faiths are different.

          Tell Sanya, since God is one, then who are angels with archangels? And who is the devil? wink
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 21 October 2015 13: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          God is one! - the faiths are different.

          God is one - different prophets.
          People do not believe in God and not even prophets, but in the interpretation of the warlocks of what they supposedly said.

          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 14: 17 New
            -1
            Quote: Boris55
            People do not believe in God and not even prophets, but in the interpretation of the warlocks of what they supposedly said.

            And what God really said is no longer possible to find. request And I like the fragment too.
            Quote: Boris55
            God is one - different prophets.

            More inclined to a non-monotheistic version. There is a supreme God, and he really is one (Odin, Zeus Svarog, Jupiter, etc.), the gods of the lower order, in a hierarchical ladder, and other mythical creatures. They are in Christianity. Jews deceived, exalting in the status of God only one Jehovah (he has more names). Then who is the Devil? Seraphim with Cherubim? The gods of the lower order, with their own characteristics.
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              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 16: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                What is God:

                Yes, Petrov taught his adherents to crush logic, you can’t argue!laughing
                P.S. (I apologize - I will add) But I am still inclined to believe that we are EXACTLY descendants of the Gods, and carry the code of all our ancestors, the first of which we call Gods. Not only a physical code, but also a sacred one. “It’s written on the Family” - I understand literally. All good deeds, like bad ones, fall on the WHOLE Rod, and not only on those who committed them. And the whole race answers. And not any "repent and be forgiven you."
                1. navigator
                  navigator 21 October 2015 23: 18 New
                  0
                  “But I am still inclined to believe that we are EXACTLY descendants of the Gods, and carry the code of all our ancestors, the first of which we call Gods. Not only a physical code, but also a sacred one.” It’s written on the Family “- I understand literally. All the good deeds, like bad ones, fall on the WHOLE Rhode, and not just on the one who committed them. And the whole Rhode answers. And neither "repent, and will be forgiven you."

                  You can bow to anything, you have a rich imagination. Only do not give this out for truth. You should be more modest-the advice of the ancients.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 22 October 2015 09: 17 New
                    +1
                    Quote: navigator
                    It should be more modest-the advice of the ancients.

                    You tell it in the Moscow diocese.
        3. VseDoFeNi
          VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 21: 03 New
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          God is one! - the faiths are different.

          And the Bible says that not one. wink
  • Alexl
    Alexl 21 October 2015 09: 46 New
    +3
    Nothing is said only about the pseudo-patriotism of thieving officials and oligarchs, who are in words for Russia, but in fact for Cyprus and Bermuda. And after the author’s passage that the Chechens with the Ingush allegedly helped Denikin kill the Russians, he stopped reading this nonsense.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 21 October 2015 09: 47 New
    +2
    I would also add such a thought.

    A patriot is not the one who escaped to a foreign country, or went far away at home and writes beautiful words, but the one who, in fact, despite all his criticisms of the state, defended his homeland when the enemy came to the gate. Simple guys "from the village" always saved Russia.
  • dda
    dda 21 October 2015 10: 06 New
    0
    In principle, I agree, but it touches that the author does not blame the Communists for cultivating hatred of the "period of Russian history" (for all stories except 1917 - 1991 years) and cutting out Russians "whole villages." Which actually led to the rejection of their ideology and paved the way for the mad marginals described above
  • Hort
    Hort 21 October 2015 10: 11 New
    +4
    Ltd! A long time ago here they did not breed religious srach. Afftaru namiat, see.
    Well, let's go by quotes:
    Who are the Dolboslavs, they are pagans, they are neopagans, they are ...
    To insult all adherents of the ancient faith is somehow not good, to say the least. For the simple reason that in addition to the stubborn Dolboslavs / Bogumilovites, there are adequate people who study paganism and the pre-Christian Faith of the Rus according to official historical and archaeological sources. And rowing all under one comb is unwise, it’s the same as calling all Orthodox Christians as fanatical fanatics only on the basis that there are separate schizoid individuals among the christened.
    Even writing was forced upon
    Initial letter with a glagolitic - no, I have not heard. Meanwhile, the Cyrillic alphabet was composed on the basis of the Slavic initial letters. And in Greek sources there are references to the fact that the first church books in Kiev were written in Russian capital letter.
    Therefore, when Dolboslav tells you that “but we don’t drink and play sports”, remember that Wahhabis also don’t drink and play sports.
    conclusion: go to church, fuck, smoke - but not a Wahhabi?
    Basically, these are computer warriors who, under a jar of Yaga, urge everyone right now to go blow up the Kremlin and kill Putin.
    a contradiction to yourself - they don’t smoke from you, then they whip Yaga.
    Conclusion: I do not deny the presence of a percentage of those who are stubborn, as in any other religion, but to water shit for everyone is stupidity and inciting the very enmity mentioned in the article.
  • Hort
    Hort 21 October 2015 10: 11 New
    +7
    We go further.
    If a person calls himself a "monarchist" and rushes with his "monarchism" aka with a written sack - in front of you is a classic washed pseudo-patriot.
    Shooters - washed pseudo patriot or not? He is also a monarchist, after all.
    After all, the vast majority of white generals ...
    To compare who was more honest and noble in the civil war, white or red is the greatest stupidity, because there were no saints on either side. Both white and red brought victims of the hecatomb to the altar of this massacre, equally nightmare and kill the population. Peasants in general fell under the very distribution. All fought against all in fact.
    What kind of patriotism is this if the Russian killers are proclaimed heroes?
    then why in our country so far, many streets bear names in honor of the revolutionary terrorists, the "heroes" of Civil, well, of Lenin, of course (as one of the organizers and main ideologists of this whole massacre). Following the logic of the author, you need to rename everything, demolish the monuments, as the lackeys do.
    And how the worship of the tsar’s Romanov dynasty and these figures is combined in one ideology, you ask the participants of Bolotnaya 2012. There, in one crowd, imperial flags and rainbow flags of homosexuals fluttered quietly.
    here I agree. The conservative wing of the nationalists was smart enough not to go to the Swamp. But the National Democrats have discredited themselves, so since 2012 nothing has been heard or seen about them.
    The main ideas are in the hands of the capitalists, therefore everything is bad, and there is only one way out to fix it - PUTINGETSENAMAYDAN!
    The Lord is with you, show me the walk of one Communist Party official who declared this? laughing Yes, his hezh immediately expelled from the party in disgrace. For the Communist Party-is inherently the left wing of "United Russia". Well, in fact.
    allowed refugees from Ukraine into the country, who will occupy all our jobs and will unite us all. Is funny But on some, this also applies.
    Yes, actually not very funny. Since, a very considerable percentage of these refugees quietly exist in sanatoriums allocated for accommodation, for a very good allowance (on average about 30k per month), which would be more useful to use for the needs of poor families or elsewhere. Moreover, these refugees categorically do not want to work and behave like a pig. That does not add love to them among the local population.
    How to distinguish pseudo-patriotism from normal patriotism?
    Well, apparently, according to the author, one should pray for a portrait of the President and the Prime Minister, repeat as a mantra that everything is fine with us in the country and silently sweep our side of the street. And do not criticize the actions and decisions of the government as a whole, even if they create a frank fuck, forget about their civil rights in the Constitution.
  • Mercury
    Mercury 21 October 2015 10: 33 New
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    The phone couldn’t answer. The true God is the creator of everything. Heaven and earth and Jews and Russians. Jews believed Satan and cursed their peoples 2000 years and Russians accepted the truth and defeated the Swedes and Khan and others with this faith and left the last century from But God’s not quite. The struggle between good and evil continues and where evil can be seen better, our head of state does not fight for gay rights and doesn’t bomb weddings and they don’t see this in the west because of the sin shell
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 21 October 2015 10: 52 New
    +4
    In addition to the topic.

    The situation with fisheries in the Far East. Why they say our fish is more expensive, although we have so many seas.
    Original http://politobzor.net/show-68158-chetvertaya-mafiya-mira.html

    48% of the world's pollock catch is in the Far East. Moreover, among the four monopoly companies that control 40% of world production, there is not a single Russian one. But among them there are Chinese - Pacific Andes registered in Hong Kong in 2012 stated that it controls up to 60% of the Russian catch. The Federal Antimonopoly Service became interested in these figures and revealed Pacific Andes cartel conspiracy with the Russian Pollock Procurers Association (ADM). It turned out that this association was created by a Hong Kong corporation and acts exclusively in its interests. Moreover, through subsidiaries, this company took under its wing a significant part of Russian producers and processors of fish products.
    Meanwhile, the fishing industry is considered strategic in our country, and the participation of foreign enterprises is prohibited here - only Russian vessels and companies can receive quotas and fish. But ADM members who had quotas for catching bioresources in the Far East, in fact, remained only formal shareholders. The Chinese owners sent the fish to China, there they were engaged in its processing, and from there it was exported, including to Russia. As a result of the investigation, Pacific Andes was faced with a choice: either officially obtain permission to invest in the strategic industry, or leave. The Chinese chose the second path. However, the question to what extent they continue to control their old Russian partners remains open. So, perhaps, our fish and our money are still in orderly multi-billion schools to go to China.

    What is this if not a betrayal? Instead of developing the economy of their native country, a handful of Russian officials enrich themselves personally to the detriment of the country when other Russians cannot eat their fish. How can Russian fishermen work against this background? Yes! they get paid! not his own, but strangers, but what do you think, does this fisherman feel like a patriot? as the author put it, he sweeps in his yard? or all the same sweeps a stranger’s yard when his utterly? it’s not up to him to decide, but to a handful of officials sitting above those entering the association!
    So in order to act, to eradicate the causing damage, you need to have at least some kind of power!
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 21 October 2015 10: 53 New
    +1
    also from the article.
    What prevents domestic producers from crowding out competitors in our own market and lowering prices?
    Fishermen in the Far East know the answer to this question. They claim that as soon as they appear in their home port, they immediately begin a real hunt for them. The first is the transport police and claims that the products are illegal, we’ll arrest her until clarification. They are followed by veterinarians. They say that the fish may have E. coli.
    - Where from? - the fishermen are amazed. It does not happen in sea fish.
    “This is what we will check,” the reasonable doctors retort.
    And so on - more than a dozen reviewers.
    As a result, an absolutely legal load can stand for several weeks without appearing on store shelves.
    As State Duma deputy from Sakhalin Georgy Karlov admitted, fishermen straighten up to 55 million permits every year, for which billions of rubles are paid only through official channels.
    Of course, there is always an unofficial way out. And they use this way out, they give and take bribes, and it suits everyone - otherwise the matter would have completely stalled. But business is business, and the entire amount spent on overcoming or circumventing paper delays is ultimately laid down in the price.
    However, there is another scenario, perhaps even more common. Right on the high seas, all the catch is sold to the Chinese or Japanese. And then we get frozen Russian pollock from Russian waters in cellophane instead of fresh domestic fish. But the fishermen are much less trouble.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 21 October 2015 11: 13 New
    +6
    The author has forgotten yet another category of pseudo-patriots - non-revelry, "but let's endure and paint shops. Yes, traitors and thieves are at the top, but we just won’t pay attention to it, we are patriots." What patriots, colors, or crooks and thieves?
    In fact, everything is simpler. You can be a patriot of any kind, even so, even so, to whom it is closer, it does not affect anything. Under one condition, the nationalism of the participants. Look, let's say there are Republicans and Democrats in America, inside the country they generally hate each other and in every way guess that it doesn’t stop them from joining together and enthusiastically and completely agree to wet some Iraq, Afghanistan or Serbia. The same story in England, Germany, France. And there you can find different varieties of different, which actively fights within the country, but unites against the external, on a national basis.
    Therefore, the only sign of a Russian patriot is Russian nationalism. Multinational pseudo-patriotism - multinational pseudo-nationalism. Why pseudo. As the author correctly noted - "There are Nazis among Caucasians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other indigenous peoples of Russia." No, of course, they are not Nazis - ordinary nationalists. No matter how we pretend that Russia is a "multinational, multiconfessional country", these same multinationals and multiconfessional people understand everything perfectly and are preparing for separation on a national basis under favorable conditions. Love or not love for Putin, the Russian Orthodox Church, etc. nor does it affect anything.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 October 2015 13: 08 New
      +3
      skimmers
      so he wrote an article in order to protect these, it is these, in the opinion of the author, that are putriots.
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 21 October 2015 11: 24 New
    +4
    I want to live in a country where the homeland and the state are one and the same.
  • Julian
    Julian 21 October 2015 11: 30 New
    -1
    No one will say better than Tolstoy about patriotism.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 13: 27 New
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      Tolstoy, with his seemingly correct philosophy, led the country to 1917, when the country collapsed into the abyss, but miraculously climbed out of it. The miracle had a name - Stalin.
      1. Julian
        Julian 21 October 2015 13: 43 New
        +2
        Right Tolstoy? Look wider. All this squabble, war, from simple selfishness. The world elite has sponsored and continues to sponsor world wars and revolutions, the motives are commonplace - a primitive thirst for power and greed. Only here, in order for their concepts to live, we need sacrifices in the form of ordinary people. It is necessary to give scale to this stupidity and to make such a banality into the meaning of life. Is man the master of the earth? But he lives, however, no better than a dog. And in terms of awareness of their actions, does not exceed the "smaller brothers." And until a miracle happens, this will continue. Any "puppeteer" can, in principle, be replaced by an average person, because the level of development and behavior does not differ at all.

        And Stalin - yes. If you look at him as a sovereign - it was a gift of history. However, we, first of all, are people, and only then all kinds of prefixes appear there: “Russian”, “German” ... The planet is one and nature has no boundaries. At least - I think so.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 October 2015 13: 47 New
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          Quote: Julian
          Right Tolstoy? Look wider.

          If you look broader, then Tolstoy, INCLUDING. Like Vysotsky, with his songs, he indirectly participated in the collapse of the union.
          For the rest I agree. hi
  • Mercury
    Mercury 21 October 2015 11: 31 New
    +2
    Are there democrats and republicans in the usa? Do these forces hate each other but unite before an external threat? How does it look like a fairy tale from behind a hillock, how is everything good and bad in Russia. In the United States, there are no Republicans and Democrats, freedom-loving people have saddled British uncles in their civil war and these days they are ruled by magnate families. And while Monkey Obama is talking about the rights of fagots and Ukrainians, Uncle Biden is watching that this proto Amer doesn’t blurt out anything that would harm business
  • navodchik
    navodchik 21 October 2015 12: 17 New
    +2
    Article minus. The author combed everyone under one comb. He even managed to repeat the definition of “red-fascists”, which he had to meet in October 1993. If a person is a patriot, then he can support those forces that are most attractive to him. Combining Krasnov and Vlasov together in an attempt to discredit the monarchists is bullshit. The first is the tsarist general, the consistent enemy of Bolshevism, the second is pure Bolshevik degeneration. In general, history should be taught, and not collected online sources about the banners of the white bellows in the arena.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 21 October 2015 13: 12 New
    +3
    An article from the category of "Putin is Russia", love Putin, then you are a patriot. Only Putin comes and goes, and Russia is eternal, so the fat minus to the author ...
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 21 October 2015 15: 58 New
      +1
      Many did not like Stalin, as they do not like today. If you look at things without prejudice, Putin has done more for modern Russia than anything. He just kept it. And it is worth a lot.
      And I will not miss the opportunity to repeat that "Today under Putin the people in Russia live as RICH as they never lived in the foreseeable past. Vivid evidence of this are courtyards of Russian cities clogged with cars, many of which were bought with overpayment on credit. It says that people have money to overpay and lack of mind so as not to overpay.
      And I will repeat it as long as there are those who do not understand this. ”© VseDoFeNi

      PS From the minusers I would like ARGUMENTED objections, and not reflective poking on the buttons.
  • 2nd 12th
    2nd 12th 21 October 2015 15: 41 New
    +1
    I did not understand the article. What did the author want to say?
    For me there are only two types of patriots. "guard patriots" and "Cheers patriots."
    But "Guard-patriotism" in modern times plays more into the hands of enemies, in my opinion. It makes us feel weaker than we really are. That we are not capable of anything.
  • kruglyak
    kruglyak 21 October 2015 19: 56 New
    +1
    but I get it. ordinary fanatical demagoguery. especially the rampage of creation and destruction delivers
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 21 October 2015 20: 28 New
    +1
    Any idea can be perverted and vulgarized ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 22 October 2015 00: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: Lead
    The author of the article does not understand at all what he is talking about, he would have to figure out the concept of what patriotism is, and then roll up the article. He listed all the "false patriots", rummaged in the eyes of each "enemy" pretty much in search of a straw, and there was a lie and sophists. He doesn’t just mention that there are cheers-patriots — I wonder why, maybe he himself is a cheers-patriot, from whom in reality there can be no less harm to the interests of the country than from the “enemies” of the human race, whom he so hateful with mud?

    He is not a jingoistic patriot, he is a jingoistic individualist. All these discussions about the possibility of putting things in order in a single house, or on a single street, are pure demagogy, distracting readers of this campaign from really serious issues of our being. It seems that at first glance the words are correct, only as they say "the devil is in the details" the general meaning of which is reduced to one, each for himself, and sit quietly do not lean out! Although nothing was said directly about this. Just like our "liberals" - more democracy, a decent standard of living, then with all the stops .... But who is against it? Only the ways to achieve this are all different! Something like that.
  • Redman
    Redman 22 October 2015 02: 56 New
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    Quote: Gardamir
    An article from the category of "Putin is Russia", love Putin, then you are a patriot. Only Putin comes and goes, and Russia is eternal, so the fat minus to the author ...

    Exactly! bully
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 October 2015 16: 04 New
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    Not only is the article complicated, it’s also comments that you need to think hard about.
    What pleased me was that people write about disagreeing with the Russian Orthodox Church on various issues. Always a lot of strongly believing people lied to me. It was socialism, atheism, and then everything was united in church, as before - into pioneers. Examples are Yeltsin and Zhirinovsky, who even has weddings. Since the topic is important to me, I’ll read it again and again. There are such articles.
    1. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 22 October 2015 17: 36 New
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      Quote: Reptiloid
      A large number of strongly believing people have always convicted me.

      Something I do not observe believers at all. According to Christ, they simply do not exist.
      20. And Jesus said unto them, By your unbelief; for verily I say unto you, if you have faith with a mustard seed and say to this grief: “go from here to there,” and she will go over; and nothing will be impossible for you ...
      (St. Matthew's Gospel 17: 20)
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 October 2015 16: 45 New
    +1
    When there was an article about Mephistopheles and the Church, I alone wrote why (it should be clear to everyone) believers could not do this, why it was against their rules. And I don’t go to church. I have friends, real church people, they know that I respect and criticize the Russian Orthodox Church. My position does not offend them. I re-read it again and again, I think that it would be better if the author divided this article into several articles. Here.
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 22 October 2015 20: 00 New
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    Well, dear, VseDoFeNi, you are probably better in people than I. Who says that a believer, I think so. There is simply a different measure of responsibility for their words, so there are so many of them, believers. So they position themselves Well, I just can’t worry everyone - is a true believer or not? It’s on their conscience.
    After all, there was a centuries-old Orthodox tradition that ended for 70 years. Where can instant changes in people come from.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 23 October 2015 21: 10 New
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    Neopagan cults in Russia have long been sponsored by the West. The same goes for destructive sects. Hubbardists, for example, are covered up by US intelligence agencies, like many sectarian movements as a social disruptive tool.

    As for the pseudo-patriots, it is enough to have a sober head and a critical mindset in order not to fall for the bait of various nonsense.

    Incidentally, work with young people is extremely important, because it is in the youth environment that it is easiest to recruit due to little life experience and, often, insufficient maturity of thinking, even taking into account age (this is a disease of the whole modern society).