Prediction: Su aircraft may take second place in terms of exports

The scope of supply of Su fighters for the period from 2011 to 2018 g can reach 242 units, transfers TASS message of the press service of the manufacturer.

“Thus, the family of these multi-role fighters will take second place in the world, losing the first position to Lockheed Martin - 250 aircraft. The third position will be occupied by Boeing - 120 aircraft, ”the press service said with reference to the TsAMTO study“ Analysis of the global military market aviation technology in 2011-2018. "

Researchers point out that “in the 2011-2014, the“ Su ”aircraft took first place in terms of supply volumes - in four years the customers received 139 machines (in the whole world 437 of new multi-role fighters were exported).”

“In the next four years (2015-2018 years), an 583 aircraft can be delivered to the world market. The forecast of deliveries, according to the study, is probabilistic in nature and will be close to reality if the delivery schedules for current contracts are fulfilled, as well as stated intentions and tenders being held, ”the company said.

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[Россия 24]

Ours are conquering the market for military weapons)))

[oleg-gr]

"Sushki" in Syria receive such advertising. Buyers can see everything live.

[Vend]

Could get the first one if the mattresses were not forced to buy their planes by NATO countries and lackeys

[whiteeagle]

`` We could have gotten the first one if the mattress mats had not forced NATO countries to buy their planes ... ''
Since 2003, Americans have sold only a few aircraft to NATO countries. The last major contract is F 16 Block 52+ for Poland and Greece. At that time, the European countries of NATO bought mainly aircraft from the EU-Rafale (France), Eurofighter (Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain), Gripen (Czech Republic, Hungary). In addition, European countries do not need heavy fighters like the Su 27/30/35. These countries with a small territory, a dense network of radars, several batteries of anti-aircraft missiles allow you to control the entire airspace.

[Maxom75]

I completely agree with you, you don’t have to buy a cannon to guard the chicken coop, the old berdank is quite enough.

[Same lech]

"Sushki" in Syria receive such advertising.

SU-25 and SU-34 hard workers .... carry and carry hundreds of tons of ammunition pouring them on the heads of the militants ... specifically work horses.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: oleg-gr

"Sushki" in Syria receive such advertising. Buyers can see everything live.

Su-34 is unlikely that someone will buy, few countries can afford to have a front-line bomber, and whether it is necessary. You can buy a multifunctional Su-30 which can work out well for both air and ground targets.
Su-25s are not manufactured anymore, but only modernized.

[Samaritan]

Quote: oleg-gr

"Sushki" in Syria receive such advertising. Buyers can see everything live.

best advertisement! It happens easier

[APASUS]

Quote: oleg-gr

"Sushki" in Syria receive such advertising. Buyers can see everything live.

Here in this part there is a negative point, after such a demonstration, orders will appear 100%, but production will not be able to instantly develop and build up, and again the eternal dilemma is to sell or send to the Air Force

[Engineer]

We are already in second place, just the United States with its supplies to all NATO countries, of which there are many, it is difficult to overtake. The plunge of the paddling pool into second place is temporary because of the Mistral and Rafale.

[evgenii67]

Quote: Russia 24

Ours are conquering the market for military weapons)))

and now I would like to transfer their 250 cars to the price category, against our 242. I think the difference will be more significant.

[tomket]

Quote: Russia 24

Ours are conquering the market for military weapons)))

They win back from the first to the second place ??? Oh well....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

It’s only in the Russian Aerospace Forces that they transfer several planes a year, at such a pace, taking into account the removal of old fighters from service by 2030, from the strength of 200 fighters will be for the whole country.
I have big doubts that the PakFa will be purchased in hundreds, the Su-35 is ordered individually, like the Su-30SM, and not in large quantities, which the Ministry of Defense is not clear about.
Clearly, a bad trend can be traced.

[Army soldier2]

The Ministry of Defense is thinking about how to rearm all the Air Force by next Friday. Unfortunately, there are limitations on the part of the federal budget and the capabilities of the defense industry.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Army 2

and the capabilities of the defense industry.

Judging by the article, there are possibilities. We are all rubbed that those few fighters a year is the limit for our manufacturers. And it turns out that the factories for export spar fighter be healthy.
The same thing with submarines, Varshavyanki diesel engines have not been produced for our Navy for a long time, but it turns out that almost every year a new submarine is launched for foreign buyers.
It turns out the possibilities and production capacities allow.

Quote: Army 2

Unfortunately, there are restrictions from the federal budget

There is money for the construction of Ash-trees (production is not stopped), 6 Varshavyanka are being built for the Black Sea Fleet (3 have already been built, it seems), they are planning to build the Tu-160M2 at a price of 250-300 million dollars per unit.
Is there not enough money for fighter jets? It turns out that there is money, but there is not enough desire.

[sisa29]

But MiG began to somehow be forgotten, why?

[aleks 62 next]

.... But about the MiG they somehow began to forget why? ....

.... Offer nothing worthwhile .... Therefore, they forget ....

[Nick]

Quote: aleks 62 next

.... But about the MiG they somehow began to forget why? ....

.... Offer nothing worthwhile .... Therefore, they forget ....

MiG -35

[aleks 62 next]

..... MiG -35 ...

.... Late ... Years of commercials on 15 .... .... Minusator, dear !!!! .... In addition to the minuses, there are no arguments ????? ....

[tomket]

Quote: aleks 62 next

... Late ... Years of commercials on 15.

You are late in principle. MiG-35 in fact is no different from the Su-35. In terms of manufacturability and modernity. Only different weight. Why don’t you wring your hands with screams that su-35 is late for 15 years, and su-30 is forever?

[Falcon]

Quote: tomket

MiG-35 in fact is no different from the Su-35. In terms of manufacturability and modernity. Only different weight.

Mig-35 and Su-35 are not that different - they are completely different planes.

To begin with, the Mig-35 is a strike fighter, and the Su-35 is air superiority.

And Mig needs to be compared with Su-30, but not with Su-35!

[tomket]

Quote: Falcon

And Mig needs to be compared with Su-30, but not with Su-35!

Yes, I'm not talking about functionality on the battlefield of MiG and Su. And about the aerodynamic design, production technology, etc. we can say the weather turned out.

[aleks 62 next]

..... And about the aerodynamic design, production technology, etc. we can say the weather turned out ....

... ..... Actually, strictly speaking, all planes are technologically built almost the same .... But for some reason, different machines are obtained .... ..... In order to substantively discuss the layout or aerodynamic schemes, you must also have some sort of specialized education (aviation, not school) ......

[tomket]

Quote: aleks 62 next

then you need to have some sort of specialized education (aviation, not school) ......

How many academies do you need to graduate to understand that an integrated circuit is used on the MiG-29 and Su-27?

[aleks 62 next]

..... on the MiG-29 and Su-27 integrated circuit applied? ....

..... And what in your understanding is an integrated circuit ????? .... And as for the academies, I have enough (2 still Soviet) specialized (aviation) entities .... Even in modern life ....

[Nick]

Quote: aleks 62 next

..... MiG -35 ...

.... Late ... Years of commercials on 15 .... .... Minusator, dear !!!! .... In addition to the minuses, there are no arguments ????? ....

Yes, I didn’t minus, but now of course I’m minus with all my respect
and who is late or not is a fortune-telling. You do not give arguments. Here the F-35 seems to be newer than the MiG, but it does not know how to fly. And therefore, I think that not everything that is new is good, not everything that is old is bad.

[max702]

Quote: Nick

MiG -35

Not so far .. One name and no more, but all the characteristics in dreams and on paper ..

[tomket]

Quote: max702

One name and no more, but all the characteristics in dreams and on paper ..

Yeah. and the MiG-29K contract for India, which differs from 35 only by hook, was almost completely closed. Apparently some sort of MiG-35 exists in your head, only with the present it has nothing to do.

[Falcon]

Quote: tomket

Yeah. and the MiG-29K contract for India, which differs from 35 only by hook, was almost completely closed.

Not at all true. Mig-35 and 29k are completely different planes.
The 35 classic 29 drummer - absolutely not.

On 35-m engines with UVT, on 29k no

On the 35 EMDSU, on the 29k the old control system.

At 35 m Beetle AFAR, at 29 to PFAR

At 35-m OLS-K, at 29k it is not

On the 35-m systems SOLO VS-OAR, NS-OAR on 29k and there is no mention of such systems.

At the 35-m OLS-UE at the 29-m OLS-m

On the 35 2 crew member, on 29 one

[tomket]

Quote: Falcon

On the 35 2 crew member, on 29 one

Did you pick up from Poghosyan about completely different planes? 35 and K / KUB differ only in hook and wing folding mechanism. Even their flashlight is standardized and a tank is installed instead of the second pilot. Particularly amused about the EMF and the old control system)))) another EMG similar to the MiG-29 was installed on the first MiG-29k version.

[Falcon]

Quote: tomket

Did you pick up from Poghosyan about completely different planes?

Except how to be rude to arguments there?

Quote: tomket

35 and K / KUB differ only in hook and wing folding mechanism.

You do not know how to read, or at the sight of unfamiliar names immediately forget the meaning?
Ie all the differences in the systems do not tell you anything? Then why argue if you do not understand the technique?

Quote: tomket

Especially amused about the EMF and the old control system))))

There is an analog and digital EMF

[Falcon]

Quote: tomket

Even their flashlight is unified and a tank is installed instead of the second pilot.

Ah, well, if the lantern is unified, that's all! I have no arguments Pour on OLS SOLO and radar

Nothing that one drummer with the appropriate breo and 2-th pilot performs the functions of an weapons operator, and the other is just UB ???



If they were analogues, then the concept would be F / a-18 super hornet, but not how it turned out

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: aleks 62 next

.... Offer nothing worthwhile .... Therefore, they forget ....

Why did this happen, if you return to the 90s, then after the collapse of the union, foreign buyers began to be interested in our fighters, Sukhoi Design Bureau quickly designed the Su-30 and began to sell it to India and not only to survive in the first place. Mikoyan’s design bureau didn’t take notice at the time, although it could also take a bank loan in the 90s to create this very Mig-35 and sell it for export, taking into account the fact that the light fighter market is much larger than heavy, the Mig-35 would diverge like hot pies, maybe 1000 Mig-35 would be produced.
But the leadership of Mikoyan’s design bureau has spoiled the opportunity and has what it has.

[aleks 62 next]

.... But the leadership of Mikoyan’s design bureau has spoiled the opportunity and has what it has ....

.... Here I am about the same ... Although the question is needed or not needed, a light fighter in the age of the thrust vector is quite controversial .... Light, a synonym is cheap .... And given that the lion's share of the cost is exactly control and guidance equipment, it’s cheap, it won’t work out .... But is it necessary to have 2 types of expensive airplanes - that’s the question .... Even very wealthy Americans even followed the unification road ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: aleks 62 next

Easy, a synonym - cheap .... And given that the lion's share of the cost is precisely the control and guidance equipment of armaments, then it will not work cheap ...

In addition, it is difficult if it is not impossible to create a fifth-generation light fighter, in the fifth generation all the weapons should be inside the aircraft, and in a light fighter there is even less space than a heavy one, two bombs or two medium-range missiles can fit and everything, very modest ammunition.
In addition, due to the small size, large fuel tanks in the 5th generation LFI will not fit, and outboard ones increase the EPR.
And at the price of the 5 LFI, the generation will not be cheaper than a heavy PAX (electronics and avionics are very expensive, and it’s more difficult to install all the equipment in smaller dimensions than in large ones).

Quote: aleks 62 next

Even very wealthy Americans, even those who took the road of unification ....

The US planned the F-35th to replace both the F-16 and the Hornets and Harriers and partly the F-15.
But recently I read an article which says that the United States is developing a 2030th generation fighter by 6 that will have to replace the Super Hornet and complement the F-35C, (the F-35C seems to replace the original Hornet, not the Super Horn).
http://defensetech.org/2014/11/20/navy-plans-for-fighter-to-replace-the-fa-18-ho

rnet-in-2030s /

[aleks 62 next]

.... The United States by 2030 is developing a 6th generation fighter ....

.... Developing does not mean that developing ...... ..... They can’t really figure it out with 5 watering .... And here is the 6th ....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: aleks 62 next

.... Developing does not mean that they will develop ...... ..... They can’t really figure it out with 5 watering .... And here is the 6th ....

Well, if you look at the F-22, it began to be created in the 80s, and only in 2005 it seemed like serial production began. It took about 25 years to bring the fighter from the advance project to the conveyor.

[Falcon]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

And at the price of the 5 LFI, the generation will not be cheaper than a heavy PAX (electronics and avionics are very expensive, and it’s more difficult to install all the equipment in smaller dimensions than in large ones).

Quote: aleks 62 next

given that the lion's share of the cost is precisely the control and guidance equipment of armaments, then it will not work cheap ....

Do not know, do not know. Then it would be beneficial for the Americans to install EOTS on the F-22 and not bother with the F-35.
There was a finished airplane, production was established. A little upgrade breo to the level of 35-ki and all.

[tomket]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Sukhoi Design Bureau quickly designed Su-30 and began to sell it in India and not only

Oh my God .... Su-30 was designed back in the USSR.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

started selling it to India and not only to survive above all.

The design bureau stayed with the Chinese contract, when they took down jackets for airplanes for payment.

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Mikoyan’s design bureau didn’t give a fuss at the time, although it could also have taken a bank loan in 90’s to create this very Mig-35

No comment at all ....

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Mikoyan’s design bureau didn’t have any notice at the time,

Well, let's say there was a contract for the MiG-90 with Iran in the 29s. This contract was hacked by the government, which, at the request of the United States, decided not to sell the MiGs. As a result, the story is like with the "Mistrals", only we turned out to be pro-American prostitutes. As a result, who wants to sign a contract with those who do not fulfill it? And what do you think? the government compensated for the losses ???

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: tomket

Oh my God .... Su-30 was designed back in the USSR.

There was no export version, at that time, and for the needs of India, the aircraft was being finalized, many components of foreign production (like French).

Quote: tomket

Well, let's say there was a contract for the MiG-90 with Iran in the 29s. This contract was hacked by the government, which, at the request of the United States, decided not to sell the MiGs. As a result, the story is like with the "Mistrals", only we turned out to be pro-American prostitutes. As a result, who wants to sign a contract with those who do not fulfill it? And what do you think? the government compensated for the losses ???

This one is just an order. Really there were no more orders? I saw a film about Sukhoi Design Bureau with Rogozin, it was released in January. There Poghosyan said that after the collapse of the union there was no end to orders from Sushki, thanks to them the kb survived the 90th according to him. And what Migi were generally useless to anyone despite the fact that at the price of 1 Su it was possible to buy 2 Mig? I do not believe!!! They know how to count money abroad. Therefore, the reason is not this, but rather the clumsy management of the design bureau.
We also did not deliver the S-300 to Iran in due time, and now nobody wants to buy it from us? On the contrary, everyone wants to.

Quote: tomket

The design bureau stayed with the Chinese contract, when they took down jackets for airplanes for payment.

Not only if you believe Poghosyan.

Quote: tomket

No comment at all ....

MiG-29M (MiG-33), generation 4+. The first flight in 1986. Almost analogue of the Su-30 lightweight only.
6 units produced, the project is closed. Comments are unnecessary .......

[Falcon]

Quote: tomket

Oh my God .... Su-30 was designed back in the USSR.

Su-30 and Su-30к are completely different planes, for example navostar system and other breo. Su-30 were just offered at the beginning of the 90, they thought small countries in the West would start buying them.

And the Su-30mk MKI MKK is generally other machines developed in 90's using imported components

[aleks 62 next]

..... I had a design bureau from the Chinese contract, when they took down jackets for airplanes for payment ....


.... What kind of gall you are however .... ..... And stubborn .... Straight horror !!!! .... For the record: Sukhovtsy NEVER took down jackets !!!!! ..... And with the proceeds from OWN initiative they modernized production and did not let all the specialists scatter to the end .... Do you think this is bad? ???? .... But the hard workers in Komsomolsk on the Amur do not think so ..... And so from the plant from the former power remained "horns and legs" ...

[Falcon]

Quote: tomket

Well, let's say there was a 90x MiG-29 contract with Iran. The government cut off this contract, which, at the request of the United States, decided not to sell MiGs.

And in 2000's there was a contract with Algeria to which MIG-29cmt was brought. But only on the basis of tests, the Algerians crossed themselves and refused the contract, since it was assembled from the remnants of old gliders, and forever refusing electronics.

Then they took Su-30 ...

[tomket]

Quote: aleks 62 next

.... But about the MiG they somehow began to forget why? ....

MiG fulfills a contract for the Indian Navy.

Quote: aleks 62 next

.... Offer nothing worthwhile .... Therefore, they forget ....

MiG-29K is quite imagined. His land version of the MiG-35 is also good. The question is that almost all Western manufacturers are in this weight category.

[PlotnikoffDD]

They have just begun to drive Turkish and Israeli planes, not yet evening!

[Thronekeeper]

Very good heavy MFIs. In terms of flight characteristics, combat load, avionics are in the lead in the world. + modifications from sharpened yes interception and fight with radar to attack ground targets. The West can offer only three station wagons - "Silent Eagle", "Super Honet" and "Rafale", although the latter is still a drummer, like Hornet. All countries that have not sold sovereignty for 30 pieces of silver and / or are not bound by NATO obligations acquire good weapons. By the way, it is cheaper because of the high level of corruption in the US military-industrial complex.

[roskot]

And why not. We are not made with a finger.

[Zaurbek]

Deservedly. The first was taken by F16 and in the Sukhoi heavy fighter market. The Americans do not like to export their heavy fighters and supply them with particularly close ones. Plus Dry will be more modern.

[BOB044]

After the Syrian events, there will be no end to orders for Sushi.

[marshes]

The question is, Su-30cm, were there any episodes in Syria that he would work on the ground? And not as an air cover.

[Roman 1977]

Last year, the Air Force received 108 multi-purpose aircraft of new construction, including 81 combat, 20 training and training 7 transport and special;
-24 multifunctional Su-35C fighter.
The 3 first Su-35 aircraft of the 2014 program of the year were handed over to the 10.10.2014 Air Force of the year, another 5 - in November, and another 4 - during December 2014.
All fighters were built under a contract dated August 2009 from the Russian Defense Ministry to build the 48 Su-35С, thus the number of cars reached 2015 by the beginning of 34.
-21 multipurpose fighter Su-30CM: 18 machines were delivered by the Air Force. The transfer of batches of the Su-30CM Air Force was carried out by 31.05.2014 of the Year (2), 10.06. (3), 19.07. (3), 29.08. (3), 1.11. (3), 14.11. (1), early December (2), 26.12. (3).
Production is carried out under two contracts for 30 machines each, concluded with the Russian Defense Ministry in March and December 2012. With their transfer, the number of Su-30CM supplied by the Air Force reached 34.
19.07.2014 Maritime Aviation of the Navy were transferred to 3 Su-30CM, which became the first under the contract for 5 aircraft concluded in December 2013.
-8 fighters Su-30М2: were transferred to the Air Force in batches of 5.08.2014 of the year (4), in September (1), 10 of October (2) and in November (1).
Su-30М2 were built under a contract of December 2012 for the supply of 16 Su-30М2, bringing the number of vehicles built under this contract to 12, and the total number of Su-30М2 in the Air Force - to 16.
-18 Su-34 front-line bombers:
Su-34 aircraft were transferred to the Air Force in batches of June 10.06.2014, 3 (18.07), July 3 (15.10), October 6. (8.12), 4. (22.12) and 2 (XNUMX "superplanned").
The vehicles were delivered under the contract of February 2012 for the supply of 92 Su-34. In total, 20 machines were supplied, and the total number of prototypes manufactured by the Su-34, including 8, reached 65.
-10 MiG-29К / KUB ship fighters:
8 MiG-29K and 2 MiG-29KUB were transferred to Naval Aviation 2.12.2014 g.
The aircraft were built under a contract dated February 2012 for the supply of 20 MiG-29K and 4 MiG-29CUB. With their delivery, the number has reached 10 MiG-29K and 4 MiG-29CUB. However, none of these aircraft were transferred to military or training units of the naval aviation.
-20 combat aircraft Yak-130:
The first two Yak-130s were received by the Air Force in 2014 on February 1, but were "over-planned" aircraft built in the 2013 program. However, the delivery of the Yak-130 was delayed due to the crash of this type of aircraft that occurred on April 15.04.2014, 130 and the suspension of their flights. As a result, the first batch of Yak-2014 built in 29.08 was accepted by the Air Force only on August 3 (14.11 aircraft), and the next one - on November 3. (14 aircraft). Until the end of the year, at least 130 more Yak-12 aircraft for the Air Force were flown, of which, apparently, XNUMX were delivered in December.
Yak-130 aircraft were built under the contract of December 2011 for the supply of 55 Yak-130. Taking into account the planes actually delivered to 2014, the number of Yak-130s commissioned under this contract should be 53.
-One observation aircraft Tu-214ON "Open Sky":
The second built (of the two ordered) Tu-214ON "Open Sky" was commissioned on July 4.07.2014, 214 and flew to the base at the Chkalovsky airfield (Moscow region). The first Tu-2013ON aircraft was delivered in 2009.Both aircraft were built under the contract signed in August XNUMX.
-4 passenger aircraft An-148-100Е, delivered under a contract with the MoD from May 2013 of the year for the supply of 15 machines.
-2 An-140-100 utility cargo aircraft:
The Air Force received in the 2014 one aircraft An-140-100. He became the fourth built for the Air Force under a contract of April 2011 on 9 aircraft of this type, and the fifth An-140-100 received by the Air Force. Naval aviation of the Navy also received one An-2014-140 in 100. It was handed over to 25.12.2014. It became the second An-140-100 built under the contract of April 2013 for the construction of 3 machines, and the third aircraft of this type as part of aviation Navy.

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